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Speaker 1: Welcome to today's edition of the Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 1: Sexton Show podcast.

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Speaker 2: Welcome in our number one Clay Travis, our number one

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Speaker 2: of the week Buck Sexton Show. We appreciate all of

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Speaker 2: you hanging out with us and Buck, are you ready

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Speaker 2: for a called shot to start the week here. I

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Speaker 2: am embarrassed by how much time I have spent looking

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Speaker 2: into all of these irs whistleblower allegations, and how much

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Speaker 2: time I have spent contemplating the impact over the entirety

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Speaker 2: of the weekend. I tried to read everything that I could,

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Speaker 2: and I know that there's probably a lot of people

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Speaker 2: out there, Buck, who are super busy, and all of

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Speaker 2: the names and the dates and everything else kind of

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Speaker 2: are swimming in the head, and it can be hard

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Speaker 2: to keep on tap with all this. Just be totally

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Speaker 2: well informed. I'm going to do my best to try

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Speaker 2: to lay out out a fairly simple case here of

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Speaker 2: exactly what happened and why it's so consequential. But I'm

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Speaker 2: going to give you my conclusion first, and then like

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Speaker 2: back in the day, I'll show you my math You remember, Buck,

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Speaker 2: when you'd have to be in math class and maybe

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Speaker 2: you knew what the end result answer was supposed to be,

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Speaker 2: but you would get deemed because your teacher would look

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Speaker 2: at it and she'd break out the red pin and

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Speaker 2: she'd be like, show the work so you could get

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Speaker 2: I justoud drive me crazy in geometry, like, Okay, we

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Speaker 2: know what Iawceles triangle is, but you have to prove

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Speaker 2: that you can get to the right result. I'm going

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Speaker 2: to show my work, but I'm going to start with

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Speaker 2: the conclusion. In my opinion, Buck, Joe Biden will not

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Speaker 2: be the nominee in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 1: WHOA, oh, buddy, that is the conclusion. This is intense.

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Speaker 1: This ALI make sure we flag this.

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Speaker 2: I am going on the record on Monday, June twenty sixth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty three, and god forbid if I have to

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Speaker 2: show up on November ninth, twenty twenty four or something

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Speaker 2: and Joe Biden's been re elected President of the United States,

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Speaker 2: because that will be a dark day for all of us.

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Speaker 2: I do not believe, Buck, based on all of my

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Speaker 2: diving into these stories, I don't believe that they're going

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Speaker 2: to be able to put forward.

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Speaker 1: Joe Biden as the nominee in twenty twenty four.

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Speaker 2: Now I think that he probably will cite health as

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Speaker 2: the reason age health, it's time for a new generation.

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Speaker 1: He's going to make it sound like it is his choice.

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Speaker 2: But Buck, I believe that what has been alleged against

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Speaker 2: Joe Biden is the most consequential abuse of power by

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Speaker 2: a president in my life. I was not alive for

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Speaker 2: all of you out there during Richard Nixon tenyure as president.

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Speaker 1: We're gonna need a fact check on that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Buck thinks I'm eighty two. He thinks that Joe

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Speaker 2: Biden and I were classmates at Syracuse Law School back

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Speaker 2: in the day. I would have been a much better

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Speaker 2: student than he was at Syracuse Law School if I'd

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Speaker 2: been there with him.

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Speaker 1: By the way, so most of you.

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Speaker 2: But I believe that since nineteen eighty, since basically Buck

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Speaker 2: was born in the last two generations, I was born

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Speaker 2: in seventy nine, in my life, there has never been

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Speaker 2: a more flagrant violation of the law. And I do

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Speaker 2: believe there are criminal there's criminal behavior here by a

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Speaker 2: sitting United States president than what has happened with Joe Biden,

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Speaker 2: so as it pertains to Hunter.

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Speaker 3: So here's I'm gonna give you the counterpoint. Now, Yep,

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Speaker 3: because I still believe that Joe Biden is going to

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Speaker 3: get pushed across the when as I pushed across the

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Speaker 3: finish line, that would mean he wins, but that he

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Speaker 3: will be the nominee, and that on election day in

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Speaker 3: eighteen months or less than that now that it will

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Speaker 3: be Joe Biden on the ticket barring a real We've

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Speaker 3: always said, there's the wild call the true healthy situation,

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Speaker 3: which is, you know, we don't, we don't, Heaven forbid,

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Speaker 3: but that's possible always at someone at that age.

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Speaker 2: Uh.

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Speaker 3: And here's why everything and I read I'm sure you

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Speaker 3: saw the Wall Street Journal breakdown of it. It's it

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Speaker 3: is just tax evasion piled And that's what I said

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Speaker 3: all along, that the tax evasion here was the most

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Speaker 3: obvious stuff imaginable. And to bring that down to a

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Speaker 3: failure to file misdemeanor, you know, this is like saying, oh,

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Speaker 3: it wasn't an armed robbery. You know, it was somebody

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Speaker 3: different stratosphere of seriousness. And here's but here's what I

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Speaker 1: On this one, I'm still pretty confident in it.

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Speaker 3: Here's why, Clay, it all turns into it's alleged, not proven.

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Speaker 3: And while bidens president will not be proven because the

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Speaker 3: DOJ would have to do this the statute of limitations.

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Speaker 3: They ran the clock out, which we will talk about here,

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Speaker 3: so that means it's over. That means it's done. Even

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Speaker 3: if you had a hard charging federal prosecutor who said,

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Speaker 3: all right, that's it, we're gonna finally get justice against Hunter,

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Speaker 3: can't do it under the law. Doesn't have the right

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Speaker 3: to do it under the law. For the most serious ones,

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Speaker 3: which we're going to talk about. The lesser ones he

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Speaker 3: could go after, but that's already been dealt with. When

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Speaker 3: I say dealt with, I mean you know the fix

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Speaker 3: is in on that. And you have to remember the

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Speaker 3: white noise that comes into play here with anything that

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Speaker 3: we say about about Biden. They're going to say, look

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Speaker 3: at Trump, multiple felony and multiple felony indictments. Now, this

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Speaker 3: is unjust, it's gross, it's wrong, but.

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Speaker 2: I think they still run this out. Well, now do

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Speaker 2: you want to get into like what it is and

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Speaker 2: it'll all start. Yeah, Now I'll start showing my work.

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Speaker 2: And by the way, let me go ahead and open up.

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Speaker 2: I'll have having a guest schedule today. Eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: two A two two eight eight two smart questions right

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Speaker 2: about these allegations coming out from the IRS whistleblower. That's

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Speaker 2: what I'm asking for maybe lawyers out there, because I

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Speaker 2: think a big part of this and I'll go ahead

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Speaker 2: and toss it out.

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Speaker 1: Buck.

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Speaker 2: I think that the federal judge who is slated to

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Speaker 2: accept Hunter Biden's plea bargain in this case should reject

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Speaker 2: the plea bargain. The judge has the discretion to do

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Speaker 2: this because there is clear evidence of obstruction of justice,

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Speaker 2: which means that this was not a fair and impartial investigation. So,

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Speaker 2: and one of our staff, if they can look up

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Speaker 2: this guy's name I hate or girl. I think it's

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Speaker 2: a guy I hate to even you know, put his

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Speaker 1: Refused to accept.

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Speaker 2: This obstruction, this this plea agreement because there's been clear,

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Speaker 2: clear obstruction, and Buck, I actually think so let me

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Speaker 2: going back to showing the work. There is a fabulous

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Speaker 2: all of you to read, laying out the clear tax

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Speaker 2: crimes committed by Hunter Biden. I don't actually as much

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Speaker 2: want to focus on that because it's clear that he

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Speaker 2: got a sweetheart deal. I think Buck, the sweetheart deal

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Speaker 2: that he got is actually the story here because I

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Speaker 2: believe there was a clear obstruction of justice and lying

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Speaker 2: Justice with Merrick Garland. I think that Merrick Garland has

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Speaker 2: likely committed perjury as it pertains to his testimony in

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Speaker 2: that he wasn't involved in any of Hunter's business dealings

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Speaker 2: has now been blown up. And the way that I

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Speaker 2: would ask that we think about this is Buck, I

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Speaker 2: jotted down a bunch of notes and I just want

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Speaker 2: uh Gary Shapley, he is the irs whistleblower who went

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Speaker 2: testified under oath alongside of one of his fellow IRS employees,

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Speaker 2: about exactly what was said in meetings, in particular that

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Speaker 2: David Weiss, who was the US attorney investigating this case,

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Speaker 2: wanted to bring cases in both California and Washington d C.

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Speaker 2: Against Hunter Biden was shot down in both of those jurisdictions,

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Speaker 2: and that he also requested special council status and that

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Speaker 2: Merrick Garland refuse to grant him that special council status.

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Speaker 2: These are the allegations of Gary Shapley, which are supported

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Speaker 2: by emails sent in October of twenty twenty two immediately

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Speaker 2: provided names, He's provided dates, He's provided full information to

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Speaker 2: support his allegations, as well as a subordinate witness. So, Buck,

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Speaker 2: what I would start with is this, why do people lie?

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Speaker 2: There's a broad question for everybody out there listening. Why

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Speaker 2: do people lie? Usually, Buck, someone lies because they want

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Speaker 2: or because a lie benefits them based on the lie,

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Speaker 2: something to gain. In other words, it is very rare

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Speaker 2: benefit under which they will gain. Let me ask you this,

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Speaker 2: Gary Shapley, this IRS whistleblower, what does he gain here?

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Speaker 1: Think about this buck?

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Speaker 2: He voluntarily spoke under oath to tell his story. If

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Speaker 2: Gary Shapley, this IRS agent, were lying, he would have

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Speaker 2: opened himself up to perjury charges. But can you think

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Speaker 1: You a lie? Who's lying? Is the number one question here.

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Speaker 3: Everything that you're laying out is true, and yet it

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Speaker 3: all fundamentally rests on a faith in the system that

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Speaker 3: I do not believe any of us should have anymore.

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Speaker 3: This is the you still believe that the law works.

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Speaker 3: I'm sitting here to tell you that the whole reason

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Speaker 1: At this stage is because the fix is in. They

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Speaker 1: won't allow this to go any for Clinton.

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Speaker 3: Hillary, Hillary Clinton broke the law blatantly while she was

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Speaker 3: running for president. It couldn't have been any more obvious,

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Speaker 3: was like, well if the FBI director, who's not even

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Speaker 3: a prosecutor, I mean, we could go all the way

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Speaker 3: back to Bill Clinton lying under oath. I just what

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Speaker 3: you are saying. I get it. It's like you're laying

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Speaker 1: But it doesn't matter. They don't care.

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Speaker 3: There's nothing that can be done to force the prosecution

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Speaker 3: of Hunter. That's where this That's why he did.

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Speaker 1: The guy didn't.

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Speaker 3: That's why wife's didn't get special counsel appointment. That's why

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Speaker 3: that was so critical. He knew he needed that because

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Speaker 3: as long as he has to say, mother, may I

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Speaker 3: up the.

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Speaker 1: Chain, it doesn't go anywhere. Okay, you're right, I have

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Speaker 1: still faith. You still have faith, which I appreciate. I

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Speaker 1: still have faith.

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Speaker 2: And here's why I have faith, Buck, because I think

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Speaker 2: America is filled with Gary Shapley's Gary like, I don't

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Speaker 2: know this guy at all, all right, and you know,

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Speaker 2: I'm sure that he's gonna get savaged the likes of

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Speaker 2: which you haven't seen anybody savaged if this guy had

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Speaker 2: a parking ticket in his past history, if anybody ever

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Speaker 2: said Gary Shapley even noticed that a woman was good

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Joe Biden, they were running a straight up influence

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Speaker 2: Welcome Back, Getting Clay Travis, Buck Sexton Show, Buck and

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Speaker 2: I agree that there must be impeachment of Merrick Garland.

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Speaker 2: I think you got to impeach Merrick Garland and Joe

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Speaker 3: Listen, yesterday, I laid out very very clearly by July sixth,

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Speaker 3: What he is saying and what David Weiss are saying

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Speaker 1: Jen Okay, So that to me is a no brainer.

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Speaker 3: I mean, can we just both the IRS whistleblowers talk

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Speaker 2: I mean, I think at its most basic level, who

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Speaker 2: no incentive that I can see under which Gary Shipley Shapley,

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Speaker 2: But let's go back, because we said we were going

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Speaker 2: points out Hunter Biden expensed a prostitute on his tax returns.

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Speaker 2: He claimed that prostitute was a quote Buck West Coast assistant, which,

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Speaker 3: We know Hunter is an artist, so apparently he's also

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Speaker 2: He also deducted ten thousand dollars for a golf club

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen this talked about as much. He deducted

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Speaker 3: That's right off your prostitutes and your sex club visits

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Speaker 1: Now. I think what we've seen is we don't.

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Speaker 2: Remember Buck, They impeached Donald Trump the first time for

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Speaker 3: Because Hunter was part of a criminal conspiracy rooted through

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Speaker 3: fiasco all along.

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Speaker 1: It's actually looking a lot.

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Speaker 3: This is crazy. It's looking worse than the Hillary stuff,

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Speaker 3: which I thought, right, who thought you'd be able to

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Speaker 3: say that?

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Speaker 1: Though?

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Speaker 2: I think, Buck, I think it's worse than Watergate. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think when you look at all of these allegations,

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Speaker 2: and I will be the first to admit I am

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Speaker 2: not an expert in every integral aspect of Watergate, right,

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Speaker 2: I'm trying to turn myself into as much of an

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Speaker 2: expert on this Biden situation as I can be because

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Speaker 2: it's very complicated. There are a lot of different tendrils,

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Speaker 2: and it's important for us talking to you to be

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Speaker 2: able to understand all the nuances. Let me hit this

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Speaker 2: two buck, But I think it's worse than Watergate. I

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Speaker 2: think when you consider the impact, let me just sketch

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Speaker 2: thirty seconds of why it's worse than Watergate. Ultimately, Watergate

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Speaker 2: was just a sloppy break in that in its larger context,

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Speaker 2: had zero impact on the nineteen seventy two presidential election.

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Speaker 2: That is, Nixon was going to triumph in a monster

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Speaker 2: way in nineteen seventy two, whether these knuckleheads broke in

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Speaker 2: at the Watergate complex or not. Right, if you look

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Speaker 2: at twenty twenty and you look at all of the

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Speaker 2: cover up that has surrounded the Biden crime family, you

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Speaker 2: can clearly argue that Biden rigged the election and all

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Speaker 2: of his compatriots did, and that the FBI the Department

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Speaker 2: of Justice have been directly implicated in further rigging everything

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Speaker 2: since he became president. To try to protect Hunter Biden

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Speaker 2: from the consequences of his own actions, which is why

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Speaker 2: I think, and we mentioned this to start, I want

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Speaker 2: to make sure I get her name right, the US

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Speaker 2: district judge who has to approve this plea agreement for

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Speaker 2: Hunter Biden. Her name is Mary Ellen Noriyaika, and I

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Speaker 2: may be mispronouncing that she is and I looked her up.

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Speaker 2: She is a Trump appointee. She is a graduate of

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Speaker 2: Lehigh University, Columbia, got her masters or law degree from

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Speaker 2: the University of Pittsburgh. She assumed office. In twenty eighteen,

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Speaker 2: was appointed by Donald Trump District Court for the District

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Speaker 2: of Delaware.

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Speaker 1: This is her case.

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Speaker 2: She cannot cannot sign off on this plea agreement based

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Speaker 2: on the allegations of obstruction surrounding this clear evidence that

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Speaker 2: this plea agreement should not be accepted. She should, based

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Speaker 2: on the law, reject this and send it back and

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Speaker 2: say I cannot in good conscious.

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Speaker 1: Now can I give you two problems. You got to

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Speaker 1: give you two problems.

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Speaker 3: One, what you saw with the whole Hunter saga.

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Speaker 1: They knew what they were doing. They ran the clock

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Speaker 1: out on the statute, and there's nothing that can be

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Speaker 1: done about that. On some of the most serious tax

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Speaker 1: evasion charges, statutes run. You know, if you're going to

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Speaker 1: undo statutes of limitations, I mean that's going to create

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Speaker 1: Now Democrats have done that in some places at some times.

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Speaker 2: But look, you could make an argument if there was

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Speaker 2: obstruction and there was criminal behavior that Hunter Biden was

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Speaker 2: complicit in, you can't engage just tossing it out there.

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Speaker 2: You can't engage in criminal behavior yourself, which allows the

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Speaker 2: statute of man but to run.

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Speaker 1: But just at the.

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Speaker 3: Government moving slowly, the government moving slowly and inefficiently. You're

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Speaker 3: never gonna be You're just never be able to prove that.

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Speaker 3: There's never we know, but you can't prove it, so

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Speaker 3: it's not gonna matter. And then think of the pressure.

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Speaker 3: And this is what I said about twenty twenty, with

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Speaker 3: all the different election challenges. I was like, it's not

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Speaker 3: that they're you know, it doesn't even matter how good

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Speaker 3: or strong the challenges on the merits, no judge is

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Speaker 3: going to have the backbone. People don't want to hear that. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it turned out to be one hundred percent true in

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Speaker 3: this case. Does this judge is she willing think of

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Speaker 3: the ferocity of the Democrat response to this if she

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Speaker 3: were to, They've got a lot of ways of pressuring

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Speaker 3: people and doing things that make their lives miserable. Now

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Speaker 3: that maybe I'm wrong, Maybe she sees the republic of

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Speaker 3: the balance.

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Speaker 1: She should have the backbone.

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Speaker 2: This is why in theory Buck judges have lifetime appointments.

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Speaker 2: There's a lot of to dispate in the debate and

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Speaker 2: dispute about whether that should exist. She is I'm looking

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Speaker 2: at it right now. She is only well, she's fifty

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Speaker 2: six years old. She's fifty six years old. If she

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Speaker 2: cares about justice, she would say, I'm not accepting this

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Speaker 2: plea agreement.

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Speaker 1: Sunday Hang with Clay and Fucking a new podcast.

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Speaker 2: Find it on the iHeart app or wherever you get

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Speaker 3: Second hour of Clay and Buck kicks off right now.

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Speaker 3: The White House is about to brief, the State Department

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Speaker 3: is about to brief, and Clay and I are gonna

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Speaker 3: do our own brief here for all of you.

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Speaker 1: Here's what going on.

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Speaker 3: A lot of focus in DC circles on this Russian

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Speaker 3: revolt that they're now saying is is stalled. So I

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Speaker 3: think it'd be worth doing a little bit of background

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Speaker 3: here on this. Clay and then I think we can

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Speaker 3: talk about the border, bring things home. But just severne

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Speaker 3: understands what was it a week ago they said there

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Speaker 3: was an accounting error, you know, not like a Hunter Biden,

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Speaker 3: I'm writing off the Prostitute's kind of a little different.

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Speaker 1: Six billion dollars.

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Speaker 3: That just meant that there's more money that gets to

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Speaker 3: go to the Ukraine war against Russia. That just happened

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Speaker 3: a lot of people said, that's that's an interesting way

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Speaker 3: to do business. And then so accounting error on our

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Speaker 3: side effectively, oh, we can give them six billion more

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Speaker 3: from our government. That's which means you your tax dollars

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Speaker 3: and the economy that you comprise. And so then over

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Speaker 3: the weekend there was this flurry of activity where we

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Speaker 3: were told that the Wagner Group and the Wagner Groups

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Speaker 3: everybody understands, is a mercenary.

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Speaker 1: Clay and I were talking about this before the show.

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Speaker 3: They are a Russian mercenary entity that operates globally and

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Speaker 3: it's run by this guy Progosian, who was they call

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Speaker 3: them Putin Chef. He was providing food services to the

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Speaker 3: Russian government, became very close with Vladimir Putin. Progosian created

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Speaker 3: this entity that allows the Russians to have this external

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Speaker 3: operations arm of their military. They do things, for example

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Speaker 3: in the Central African Republic where they'll go in you

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Speaker 3: just pay them, So they're true mercenaries. This isn't like

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Speaker 3: private contractors who are auxiliaries to.

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Speaker 1: The nation they're from.

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Speaker 3: You know, this is you know, highest bidder stuff, Clay.

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Speaker 3: And so they've gone to the Central African Report public

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Speaker 3: and other of other African countries. They really set the

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Speaker 3: model for themselves in Syria, where they were the ones

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Speaker 3: who stepped in and kept the ASAD regime from falling

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Speaker 3: to the various factions, Jiehattists, free Syrian Army, et cetera.

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Speaker 3: They operate on a for profit model, so you pay them.

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Speaker 3: Oftentimes they get paid. This was true in Syria and

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Speaker 3: this has been true in Africa as well. Central African

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Speaker 3: Republic is the case, I know the best by getting

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Speaker 3: access to the natural resources so effectively, Clay.

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Speaker 1: If you're a dictator, right, you.

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Speaker 3: Can't rely on the international community, if you're somebody who

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Speaker 3: wants to jail the opposition in the Central African Republic

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Speaker 3: or if you want to prevent the overthrow of your

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Speaker 3: dynasty in Syria. In Africa, it's we want access to

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Speaker 3: the mines and will give you military muscle. In Syria

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Speaker 3: it was we want access to the oil, to the

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Speaker 3: oil production of Syria, where Wagner Group came in.

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Speaker 1: And truly seized the oil wells on behalf of the

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Speaker 1: Syerian government.

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Speaker 3: So we get a cut, we'll protect it for you

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Speaker 3: and we'll keep it for you. And they've also been

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Speaker 3: doing a lot of the fighting in Ukraine. They recruit

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Speaker 3: out of the prisons.

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Speaker 1: That's a real thing. So they'll go into the prisons

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Speaker 1: and say, look, you can either sit here and rot.

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Speaker 3: In a Russian jail for the next you know, ten

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Speaker 3: or twenty years, or you can join us and we'll

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Speaker 3: see where you know, see where that goes. And over

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Speaker 3: the weekend there was this belief that Progosion, the head

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Speaker 3: of Wagner, was going to march on Moscow, that Putin

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Speaker 3: had fled the capital, and that perhaps a coup was

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Speaker 3: in operation. And then we were told actually, no, they

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Speaker 3: struck some deal in Progosion was going to Belarus. Now

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Speaker 3: we're told, oh, we don't really know where Progosion is.

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Speaker 1: He should be in Belarus.

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Speaker 3: And you've got the Biden administration trying to tell like

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Speaker 3: Joe Biden just went on TV and said, this isn't

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Speaker 3: over yet.

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Speaker 1: We don't know, Clay. I can tell you this. The

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Speaker 1: buffoons in charge in this country have no idea what's

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Speaker 1: going on.

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Speaker 3: Even the ones who maybe are involved in this behind

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Speaker 3: the scenes or whatever, no idea what is going on.

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Speaker 3: So this is what we were watching play out. A

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Speaker 3: lot of people all of a sudden discovered that this

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Speaker 3: was everyone's saying over the weekend. We have a lot

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Speaker 3: of new submarine experts last week and a lot of

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Speaker 3: new Russian paramilitary and political experts this week.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and the reports are the latest that he's somewhere

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Speaker 2: in Minsk.

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Speaker 1: But this took over all of.

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Speaker 2: Social media on Saturday, and the idea was Vladimir Putin

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Speaker 2: was gone.

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Speaker 1: Maybe what stuck out the most to me, buck was.

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Speaker 2: You would think, in the midst of this internal Russian turmoil,

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Speaker 2: that it would have been the absolute perfect time for

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Speaker 2: Ukraine to truly launch their counter offensive. Because you have

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Speaker 2: the Russian military worried potentially about the Wagner group trying

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Speaker 2: to advance upon Moscow. They're taking control of different operational

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Speaker 2: points in in Russia. Nothing really happened, it appears on

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Speaker 2: the Ukraine Russia front, which to me further demonstrates essentially

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Speaker 2: we've got trench warfare there. I mean, they are both

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Speaker 2: sides so dug in. It's it's literal trench warfare. In

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Speaker 2: a lot of places where they have they've dug into

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Speaker 2: the ground. Artillery is being called in close air support yep,

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Speaker 2: and it's going to be almost impossible for either side

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Speaker 2: to advance in any sort of substantive way based on

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Speaker 2: where and how the lines are drawn. But that's what

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Speaker 2: stood out to me one was this idea. Everyone will

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Speaker 2: is not willing to acknowledge this, but Buck. The chances

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Speaker 2: of Vladimir Putin getting replaced and the guy he's replaced

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Speaker 2: by being a really upstanding ally of democracy is totally absurd.

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Speaker 2: In all likelihood, if Putin is replaced, it's going to

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Speaker 2: be by a more aggressive, strongman version of Vladimir Putin.

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Speaker 2: This is not going to be some sort of flourishment

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Speaker 2: of the democratic process in Russia. In this situation, this guy,

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Speaker 2: arguably Buck, is far worse than Vladimir Putin would have been.

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Speaker 2: He's a serial human rights violating head of a mercenary army.

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Speaker 2: The idea that there's really going to be a good

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Speaker 2: guy in any kind of overthrow of the Russian government

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Speaker 2: is a fanciful, i would say, left winging version of

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Speaker 2: the reality that we're.

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Speaker 1: Likely to see.

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Speaker 3: One thing you did start to see of the weekend,

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Speaker 3: and this brings me to some of what Tucker on

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Speaker 3: Fox we haven't even noted yet. Jesse Waters taken over

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Speaker 3: the eight PM at Fox, did we say that a

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Speaker 3: top the show we might have.

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Speaker 1: But Jesse Waters, I don't think we've mentioned.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Jesse Waters a friend of mine, friend of Clay's,

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Speaker 3: good guy, stepping into a big time slot there the

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Speaker 3: eight o'clock at Fox that was just announced. Other than that,

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Speaker 3: they're just moving shows around our friend Sean Hannity's days

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Speaker 3: exactly where he is. Lori Ingram goes to seven, Greg

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Speaker 3: Guttfeld comes down to ten pm. So they're just shuffling

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Speaker 3: the shows that they currently have.

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Speaker 1: Okay, but back.

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Speaker 3: To where was oh Tucker what he used to say

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Speaker 3: about the desire that DC has for regime change. Over

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Speaker 3: the weekend, there were efforts that seemed to start to say, hey,

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Speaker 3: maybe this pregosion.

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Speaker 1: Guy actually is not so bad.

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Speaker 3: And also this could lead to a fracturing inside of

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Speaker 3: Russia and the fall of Putin, the fall of the regime.

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Speaker 3: And you could tell that the think tank set in

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Speaker 3: DC and the foreign policy elites and people say that

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Speaker 3: with scorn I think rightfully so view this as some

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Speaker 3: huge opportunity not to end. It wasn't even just oh

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Speaker 3: maybe the war in Ukraine ends, that's a component of this,

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Speaker 3: but also maybe then Russia collapses into something else that

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Speaker 3: we can that's more malleable. Then we can form into

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Speaker 3: something that we want, which makes everybody who's been saying

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Speaker 3: no more foreign intervention, no more pointless wars gold Hold

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Speaker 3: on a second, Now, the goal is the collapse of

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Speaker 3: the I thought the goal was just protect Ukraine's territorial integrity,

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Speaker 3: because Ukraine's border matters more than our border to the

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Speaker 3: people running DC.

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Speaker 1: But you could see.

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Speaker 3: Clay over the weekend, it really turned very rapidly into, oh,

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Speaker 3: maybe this means Russia falls apart. Putin's gone, There'll be

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Speaker 3: a replacement, and we can get everything we want to,

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Speaker 3: which a lot of us are saying the recent history

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Speaker 3: of toppling the bad guy and replacing him with something

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Speaker 3: else has been a mixed bag at best, and been

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Speaker 3: a catastrophe in some places. I present you the Taliban

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Speaker 3: in Afghanistan being back in charge after twenty years of

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Speaker 3: warfare to oust them.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: And also, if you truly care about the global safety net,

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Speaker 2: here having monster amounts of nuclear weapons suddenly able to

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Speaker 2: be moved around, able to be shifted to actors that

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Speaker 2: have goals and motivations, which are certainly dangerous for the

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Speaker 2: larger global community. Again, the best case scenario I think

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Speaker 2: here at this point, Buck, and you tell me what

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Speaker 2: I'm missing is there should be some sort of negotiated

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Speaker 2: settlement with Ukraine and Russia. Russia gains some of the

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Speaker 2: primarily Russia speaking regions that they invaded. I understand people

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Speaker 2: are going to say, oh, that's unfair. Well, they already

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Speaker 2: got crimea nobody cared by and large during Obama's presidency,

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Speaker 2: and then let's just go ahead and agree to be

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Speaker 2: done with this because and maybe we're kind of getting

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Speaker 2: there on a default level, because we heard so much

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Speaker 2: about this Ukrainian offensive that was coming in the spring,

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Speaker 2: in the summer, and we're well into the summer. Now

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Speaker 2: it's warm enough for them to be able to movement

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Speaker 2: in material substantially in Ukraine.

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Speaker 1: And if they were.

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Speaker 2: Going to do it, the turmoil inside of Russia seemed

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Speaker 2: to provide an incredible cover. Virtually nothing has changed, right

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Speaker 2: the Ukraine has not in some way changed the overall

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Speaker 2: trajectory of this war. And at this point it feels

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Speaker 2: like the trench warfare is likely to predominate, maybe for years.

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Speaker 2: And look, this is not uncommon in many parts of

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Speaker 2: the world. Book, I mean what we got. Pakistan and

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Speaker 2: India have been kind of in a default battle in

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Speaker 2: Kashmir if I'm right, You can correct me if I'm

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Speaker 2: wrong on this. For decades now, and nothing has really happened.

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Speaker 2: Before the official invasion, there had been these battle grounds

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Speaker 2: driven between Ukraine and Russia for some long some period

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Speaker 2: of time. We still don't have official peace in Korea

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Speaker 2: where we still have the demilitarized zone in North and

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Speaker 2: South Korea. You have kind of been staring at each

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Speaker 2: other for seventy years now. These uncomfortable trench warfare situations,

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Speaker 2: while we may not pay a lot of attention to them,

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Speaker 2: are not that uncommon in the larger global marketplace of.

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Speaker 1: Competition.

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Speaker 3: And here's what what I would add to all this.

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Speaker 3: The regime in this country right now, the Biden administration

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Speaker 3: feels very comfortable doing information operations and shaping the perception

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Speaker 3: of the American people about what's going on with Ukraine

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Speaker 3: and Russia to their purposes, and the media goes along

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Speaker 3: with it. Now, I don't you know, this isn't like

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Speaker 3: back in the day. I don't have access to the

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Speaker 3: human sources, the satellites and all this stuff, Like I

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Speaker 3: don't know what's happening on the ground in a meaningful way.

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Speaker 3: But all these journalists don't know either, And the Biden

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Speaker 3: administration is very comfortable lying to everybody about what's happening

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Speaker 3: here because they think it's a good lie.

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Speaker 1: It's a lie. That's the purpose.

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Speaker 3: Of whatever we have to do to keep the pressure

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Speaker 3: on Russia and support Ukraine through this whole conflict. I mean,

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Speaker 3: I told everyone to mark this now in February of

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Speaker 3: twenty twenty one. I said, it's gonna cost us a

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Speaker 3: trillion dollars if we just keep doing this, and.

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Speaker 1: All this belief, Oh, Russia is about to crumble, Rush

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Speaker 1: is about to crumble. How many times have we heard that? Already?

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Speaker 3: This war hasn't been going on that long we've been

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Speaker 3: hearing Russia it's what is it?

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Speaker 1: Now? We're in now? I call it sixteen seventeen months.

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Speaker 1: I think something like that.

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Speaker 3: Russia is not about to crumble militarily, they will keep

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Speaker 3: going in this fight. Remember it is the Ukrainians who

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Speaker 3: are defending on their territory. So unless they're able to

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Speaker 3: push the Russians all the way out, including of the

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Speaker 3: Donbas region where they've been dug in for seven years.

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Speaker 3: And this also goes to the Wagner group, which those

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Speaker 3: were the Russian paramilitaries who weren't quite Russian actual uniform

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Speaker 3: military who took over these regions initially and pretended to

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Speaker 3: be this, you know, the Ukrainian separatists. But this is

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Speaker 3: likely to continue on and I just think everyone should

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Speaker 3: take everyone who weighs in really heavily on this publicly

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Speaker 3: take a step back.

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Speaker 1: It's like, hold on, what are we being told? What's

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Speaker 1: really going on?

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Speaker 3: Is the Biden administration honest with what its goals are here?

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Speaker 3: And are there people mouthing off about this publicly who

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Speaker 3: one know nothing about either country and two have been

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Speaker 3: wrong a lot before, you know. I think that's a

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Speaker 3: framework for trying to understand this reporting as it comes in.

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Speaker 3: And you know, right now in CNN it says the

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Speaker 3: US expected a lot more bloodshed in Russia as a

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Speaker 3: result of this.

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Speaker 1: There was no bloodshed. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So the people who are telling you, like Joe Biden, no,

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Speaker 3: this isn't over yet, Well, they thought it was about

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Speaker 3: to be a march on Moscow and that Putin was

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Speaker 3: going to have to defend youderway, a real coup, not

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Speaker 3: Grandma's taking selfies in a capitol building, coup armed men

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Speaker 3: determined to use violence to overthrow the government, and it

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Speaker 3: turned out that didn't at all. So just always a

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Speaker 3: note of caution with this stuff. And also remember the

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Speaker 3: people who are who are the biggest proponents of a

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Speaker 3: very aggressive and interventionist foreign policy for this country, on

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Speaker 3: both sides of the party spectrum, Republican and Democrat, they

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00:45:19,200 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 3: have an agenda with all of this too. They view

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Speaker 3: this as a way to finish off, essentially the lingering

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Speaker 3: Soviet threat in a post Soviet world that exists in Russia. Right,

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Speaker 3: They still think of this mentality of we need Russia

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Speaker 3: to collapse into something other than that which it is,

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Speaker 3: could have some really bad, some really nasty secondary consequences

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Speaker 3: for us.

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Speaker 1: So we'll get into some more of this.

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Speaker 3: I also want to talk about the Rhonda Santis program

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Speaker 3: Clay is going to be rolling solo here on the

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Speaker 2: Shown again out number three Clay Travis buck Sexton Show.

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Speaker 2: Appreciate all of you hanging out with us on this

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Speaker 2: fantastic Monday as we roll through the blockbuster revelations of Thursday, Friday,

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Speaker 2: up phone lines eight hundred and two A two two

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Speaker 2: eight A two. Here's what I want on those calls.

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Speaker 2: I want intelligent questions surrounding the revelations that have come

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Speaker 2: House Ways and Means Committee released I think it's fair

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Speaker 2: Shapley and also from an associate of his, as well

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Speaker 2: as corroborating evidence to support the allegations that he brought forward,

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Speaker 2: which I believe are so consequential Joe Biden will not

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Speaker 2: be the nominee in twenty twenty four. I think that

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Speaker 2: this is going to continue to build, and I think

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Speaker 2: it is going to turn into such a consequential pyramid

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Speaker 2: of lies that Joe Biden is not going to be

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Speaker 2: able to be the nominee in twenty twenty four. Some

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Speaker 2: people disagree. Buck in the first hourcourage you to go

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Speaker 2: believes there is so much lying that goes on associated

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Speaker 2: has been used to protect democrats and positions of power.

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Speaker 2: I understand that argument. I disagree with it. A layout

878
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Speaker 2: here where I think we are headed. We'll take some

879
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Speaker 2: of your calls. We'll have some fun here. I would

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Speaker 1: You can do it with.

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Speaker 2: The podcast, or you can also go download the iHeartRadio

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Speaker 2: That includes my dad, who, at nearly seventy nine years old,

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Speaker 2: show from his own phone, which, as the Travis family

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Speaker 2: would say, is an incredible accomplishment because back in the day,

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Speaker 2: my dad refused to let us get a remote control

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Speaker 2: for the television because he was afraid that it would

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Speaker 2: make us lazy if we didn't have to get up

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Speaker 2: and go change the station by twisting the dial. We

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Speaker 2: also had rotary telephones in the Travis household for my

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Speaker 2: entire young adulthood and all the way up till I've

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Speaker 2: left for college. So we are not at the front

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Speaker 2: of technological innovation in the Travis household, and my dad

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Speaker 2: getting an iPhone is kind of an earth shattering moment.

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Speaker 2: Only took him about twenty years, all right, So let's

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Speaker 2: break down exactly what we got going on here, and

907
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Speaker 2: by the way, questions smart questions too. Eight hundred and

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Speaker 2: two two two eight a two Because I'm always in

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00:50:48,760 --> 00:50:53,120
Speaker 2: my head, so all of you know, I'm always in

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00:50:53,200 --> 00:50:58,680
Speaker 2: my head trying to figure out how to convince people

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Speaker 2: of the stories that matter and why the arguments that

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Speaker 2: we're making are correct. So I'm always thinking to myself,

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Speaker 2: how do I win? How do I win an argument?

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00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:11,920
Speaker 2: You persuade a jury, how do you win an election?

915
00:51:12,160 --> 00:51:14,680
Speaker 2: You persuade the majority of the people out there voting

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00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:20,759
Speaker 2: that your argument for any particular case. In fact, the

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00:51:20,960 --> 00:51:25,480
Speaker 2: entirety of any campaign is just a storytelling contest, right

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00:51:25,840 --> 00:51:29,880
Speaker 2: who can tell the most captivating and compelling story about

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00:51:30,000 --> 00:51:33,759
Speaker 2: American life such that you trust that person to be

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Speaker 2: the ultimate decider of every major issue in America for

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Speaker 2: the next four years. Every presidential election I would submit

922
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:45,640
Speaker 2: to you is just a storytelling contest. And ultimately, every

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00:51:45,800 --> 00:51:53,040
Speaker 2: single crisis, every single major conflict, every single issue that

924
00:51:53,120 --> 00:51:55,640
Speaker 2: you will face, is really just a story, and you

925
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Speaker 2: either believe it or you don't. So let's start here.

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Speaker 2: There are two compelling stories that are being told, Okay,

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Speaker 2: two competing stories, only one of them can be true

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Speaker 2: in my opinion, because the stories are in direct conflict. Right,

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Speaker 2: young lawyer, you hear there are three There are three

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Speaker 2: stories every act. There's three stories, right, his story, her

931
00:52:22,120 --> 00:52:25,080
Speaker 2: story the truth? Right, a lot of his and her disputes.

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Speaker 2: His story, her story, the truth. Three versions of the truth. Here,

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Speaker 2: I would submit to you these stories are such in

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00:52:34,160 --> 00:52:37,680
Speaker 2: conflict that there's only one that is true.

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Speaker 1: So which one is true? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Here are the two story tellers. One storyteller, Joe Biden,

937
00:52:48,160 --> 00:52:54,000
Speaker 2: Merrick Garland, Hunter Biden. Their story is this. This is

938
00:52:54,040 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 2: the story that Democrats would tell you. Hunter Biden, drug

939
00:52:59,520 --> 00:53:04,319
Speaker 2: addicted son of the President of the United States, was

940
00:53:04,440 --> 00:53:09,719
Speaker 2: so drug addicted that he didn't pay his taxes. He

941
00:53:09,800 --> 00:53:14,960
Speaker 2: illegally bought a firearm, He was paying for prostitutes. He

942
00:53:15,120 --> 00:53:19,719
Speaker 2: was mostly out of control of his mind for a

943
00:53:19,800 --> 00:53:24,600
Speaker 2: long period of time, and as a result, he engaged

944
00:53:24,640 --> 00:53:31,480
Speaker 2: in criminal behavior, oftentimes that criminal behavior actually involving Ukraine, China,

945
00:53:32,040 --> 00:53:37,840
Speaker 2: so many different American foreign adversaries, from whom Hunter Biden

946
00:53:38,000 --> 00:53:42,880
Speaker 2: pocketed tens of millions of dollars for himself and entities

947
00:53:42,920 --> 00:53:47,440
Speaker 2: connected to him. But he was such a drug addled

948
00:53:47,680 --> 00:53:51,400
Speaker 2: kid that he didn't really know what he was doing.

949
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Speaker 2: Joe Biden is a beloved father, and all he was

950
00:53:57,600 --> 00:53:59,840
Speaker 2: trying to do was make sure that Hunter was an

951
00:54:00,080 --> 00:54:04,400
Speaker 2: addicted to drugs. And Joe Biden was never involved in

952
00:54:04,480 --> 00:54:08,200
Speaker 2: any of the millions of dollars that Hunter Biden made,

953
00:54:08,440 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 2: never knew anything about Hunter Biden's business interest.

954
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Speaker 1: And when Joe Biden got.

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00:54:15,080 --> 00:54:20,399
Speaker 2: To president, he said to Merrick Garland, I don't want

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00:54:20,400 --> 00:54:23,640
Speaker 2: to be involved in anything relating to my son or

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00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 2: any investigation surrounding him. Merrick Garland, you are a steward

958
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:33,680
Speaker 2: of American public life. I know that you care only

959
00:54:33,719 --> 00:54:38,000
Speaker 2: about doing the right thing. You and your Department of

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00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:45,280
Speaker 2: Justice conduct this investigation without any unfair or bias treatment

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Speaker 2: in my son's direction.

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Speaker 1: I trust you to do that. Joe Biden said that.

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00:54:50,800 --> 00:54:54,480
Speaker 2: Merrick Garland said, you got it, Joe, I'm never going

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Speaker 2: to consider the fact that your son is a drug

965
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Speaker 2: addict who avoided paying millions of dollars in tact. I

966
00:55:01,480 --> 00:55:05,000
Speaker 2: am going to apply the full scope of American justice

967
00:55:05,040 --> 00:55:08,200
Speaker 2: to Hunter Biden, and we are going to treat him

968
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Speaker 2: the exact same as we would anybody else. There will

969
00:55:11,280 --> 00:55:14,719
Speaker 2: be no preferential treatment no sweetheart deal. I will not

970
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:21,040
Speaker 2: be involved at all in managing this investigation. And lo

971
00:55:21,320 --> 00:55:30,360
Speaker 2: and behold, after five years, five years, hunter Biden gets

972
00:55:31,040 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 2: an absolute sweetheart of a deal. He is going to

973
00:55:34,719 --> 00:55:39,719
Speaker 2: plead guilty to two misdemeanors alleging willful failure to pay

974
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Speaker 2: about two hundred thousand dollars in taxes, and he will

975
00:55:44,719 --> 00:55:50,280
Speaker 2: have no consequences for his behavior. Okay, that is one story.

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Speaker 2: That is the story that Joe Biden, Hunter Biden, Merrick Garland,

977
00:55:54,719 --> 00:55:57,240
Speaker 2: the Department of Justice, the FBI. That is the story

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00:55:57,280 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 2: that they would tell you. I think you find that

979
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:07,880
Speaker 2: to be an uncompelling story. Okay, that's their story. Other story,

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00:56:08,560 --> 00:56:12,080
Speaker 2: thanks to the fact that Gary Shapley has come forward,

981
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:17,440
Speaker 2: he was a high level IRS investigator. Gary Shapley has

982
00:56:17,480 --> 00:56:23,440
Speaker 2: come forward and said that the entire Hunter Biden investigation

983
00:56:24,000 --> 00:56:30,880
Speaker 2: was rigged, that everything inside of your government that your

984
00:56:30,920 --> 00:56:36,800
Speaker 2: taxpayer funded investigators were doing was designed to protect Hunter

985
00:56:36,840 --> 00:56:40,920
Speaker 2: Biden from the consequences for his actions, and that far

986
00:56:40,960 --> 00:56:43,000
Speaker 2: from being an independent investigation.

987
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:44,600
Speaker 1: That David Weiss.

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00:56:45,040 --> 00:56:50,560
Speaker 2: Told Shaply and six people in this meeting that he

989
00:56:50,640 --> 00:56:54,440
Speaker 2: had wanted to bring charges in both California and Washington

990
00:56:54,520 --> 00:56:58,560
Speaker 2: d C against Hunter Biden, that that had been rejected

991
00:56:58,640 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 2: by the Department of Justice, that he had asked Merrick

992
00:57:01,719 --> 00:57:05,840
Speaker 2: Garland for special Council status and that had been rejected

993
00:57:05,880 --> 00:57:10,600
Speaker 2: by Attorney General Merrick Garland. And that there was in fact,

994
00:57:10,640 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 2: not an impartial and fair investigation of hunter Biden, but

995
00:57:15,480 --> 00:57:17,240
Speaker 2: that hunter Biden was protected.

996
00:57:17,800 --> 00:57:19,320
Speaker 1: That in the words and I'm reading from the.

997
00:57:19,320 --> 00:57:24,080
Speaker 2: Wall Street Journal of Shapley himself, they allowed a statute

998
00:57:24,080 --> 00:57:28,160
Speaker 2: of limitations to expire that guaranteed that hunter Biden would

999
00:57:28,200 --> 00:57:31,680
Speaker 2: not be held accountable for twenty fourteen and twenty fifteen

1000
00:57:31,720 --> 00:57:35,640
Speaker 2: tax crimes. They allowed hunter Biden to avoid paying hundreds

1001
00:57:35,720 --> 00:57:41,440
Speaker 2: of thousands of dollars in charges, and that all of

1002
00:57:41,480 --> 00:57:45,920
Speaker 2: this was the direct result of corruption inside of the

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00:57:45,960 --> 00:57:49,400
Speaker 2: Department of Justice that led to a sweetheart deal for

1004
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:56,120
Speaker 2: hunter Biden. Now those are the two stories, right. You

1005
00:57:56,200 --> 00:57:59,520
Speaker 2: can have an opinion on which story you consider to

1006
00:57:59,560 --> 00:58:03,800
Speaker 2: be most likely. But here's what I would tell you

1007
00:58:03,800 --> 00:58:08,400
Speaker 2: you must do if you are being fair in considering

1008
00:58:08,440 --> 00:58:12,440
Speaker 2: those two stories. You have to consider the motivations of

1009
00:58:12,480 --> 00:58:18,800
Speaker 2: the people telling you the story. Chapleigh voluntarily told this

1010
00:58:18,960 --> 00:58:21,720
Speaker 2: story under oath which put himself this is the ira

1011
00:58:22,640 --> 00:58:27,640
Speaker 2: RS agent in danger of being prosecuted if he lied

1012
00:58:27,880 --> 00:58:30,880
Speaker 2: and was proven to have lied. And so far as

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00:58:30,880 --> 00:58:32,520
Speaker 2: I can know, and I will open up the phone

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Speaker 2: lines eight hundred and two eight two two eight eight two,

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Speaker 2: I cannot think of any reason why Shapley would lie here.

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00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,000
Speaker 2: What does he gain? He's a federal employee. If he

1017
00:58:45,080 --> 00:58:48,640
Speaker 2: stays quiet, he continues to make all of his money,

1018
00:58:50,120 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 2: all of his salary. He can go ride it right

1019
00:58:53,080 --> 00:58:56,040
Speaker 2: on out, retire, live off the rest of his life.

1020
00:58:56,320 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 2: I don't and cannot conceive of what he gained other

1021
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,880
Speaker 2: than sharing the truth because he's so bothered by this

1022
00:59:05,960 --> 00:59:11,720
Speaker 2: preferential treatment. On the other hand, what did Joe Biden,

1023
00:59:11,800 --> 00:59:15,880
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden, and Merrick Garland gain. Joe Biden gets to

1024
00:59:15,920 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 2: keep his son out of prison, probably something that many

1025
00:59:19,800 --> 00:59:22,960
Speaker 2: of you out there who are fathers or mothers would

1026
00:59:22,960 --> 00:59:25,520
Speaker 2: see as a pretty substantial benefit. If we could choose

1027
00:59:25,520 --> 00:59:28,760
Speaker 2: whether or not our child goes to prison, virtually every

1028
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:30,960
Speaker 2: parent on the planet would choose not to put our

1029
00:59:31,000 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 2: child in prison. If we could guarantee ourselves that our

1030
00:59:36,920 --> 00:59:37,880
Speaker 2: kid would not go to.

1031
00:59:37,840 --> 00:59:41,480
Speaker 1: Prison, that our own criminal.

1032
00:59:41,000 --> 00:59:45,600
Speaker 2: Misbehavior associated with our child would not lead to consequences,

1033
00:59:45,640 --> 00:59:47,640
Speaker 2: because that is certainly a motive of Joe Biden.

1034
00:59:49,680 --> 00:59:50,160
Speaker 1: That would be.

1035
00:59:50,160 --> 00:59:55,400
Speaker 2: Pretty significant motivation to why why would merit Garland?

1036
00:59:55,400 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: Why?

1037
00:59:56,440 --> 01:00:01,680
Speaker 2: Well, because if he's telling the truth, he probably wouldn't

1038
01:00:01,680 --> 01:00:05,240
Speaker 2: get to keep his job. And now he has to

1039
01:00:05,280 --> 01:00:08,760
Speaker 2: continue to lie because he's testified the exact opposite of

1040
01:00:08,800 --> 01:00:13,240
Speaker 2: what Shapley has testified. One of these two guys is lying.

1041
01:00:13,280 --> 01:00:15,440
Speaker 2: If Merrick Garland suddenly came out and said, you know what,

1042
01:00:15,720 --> 01:00:19,160
Speaker 2: I misstated, I misspoke to Congress, he would be guilty

1043
01:00:19,160 --> 01:00:21,560
Speaker 2: of perjury and he might spend the rest of his

1044
01:00:21,600 --> 01:00:25,640
Speaker 2: life in prison because he's not a young man who

1045
01:00:25,720 --> 01:00:31,080
Speaker 2: is more likely to lie. Conflicting stories. Here, both of

1046
01:00:31,080 --> 01:00:34,760
Speaker 2: them can't be telling the truth. The person who kept

1047
01:00:34,800 --> 01:00:38,400
Speaker 2: his son out of prison, and the two individuals Biden

1048
01:00:38,440 --> 01:00:40,880
Speaker 2: and Garland, who might well be in prison if they

1049
01:00:40,920 --> 01:00:45,400
Speaker 2: told the truth, or the guy Shapley, who is just

1050
01:00:45,640 --> 01:00:50,640
Speaker 2: an IRS agent and has virtually nothing to gain. It's

1051
01:00:50,680 --> 01:00:56,440
Speaker 2: not always the case that a liar is easy to catch,

1052
01:00:57,320 --> 01:01:00,560
Speaker 2: but most of the time people lie for two reasons.

1053
01:01:01,200 --> 01:01:05,120
Speaker 2: Because they benefit from a lie or because they're trying

1054
01:01:05,160 --> 01:01:10,160
Speaker 2: to avoid consequences from a lie. Both of those apply

1055
01:01:10,360 --> 01:01:16,040
Speaker 2: to Biden and Garland and Hunter Biden, none of them

1056
01:01:16,040 --> 01:01:20,840
Speaker 2: that I can see, really apply to Shapley two stories.

1057
01:01:21,560 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 2: One person is telling the truth, someone else's lying. Who

1058
01:01:26,400 --> 01:01:30,920
Speaker 2: is the liar here? I think it's pretty clearly Joe Biden,

1059
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,840
Speaker 2: Hunter Biden and Merrick Garland, And if I am right,

1060
01:01:35,960 --> 01:01:39,760
Speaker 2: they are guilty of the biggest lies in any of

1061
01:01:39,800 --> 01:01:41,360
Speaker 2: our lives ever.

1062
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:43,480
Speaker 1: To emerge from the presidency.

1063
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:48,200
Speaker 2: Way bigger than watergate Way, bigger than anything any other

1064
01:01:48,320 --> 01:01:52,280
Speaker 2: president has ever been proven to have lied about What

1065
01:01:52,400 --> 01:01:56,040
Speaker 2: happens next, I'll tell you, and I'll take your phone calls.

1066
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Speaker 1: In the meantime, I.

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Speaker 2: Also want all of you to be thinking about this reality.

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Speaker 2: It's important to take care of everything that you're trying

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Speaker 2: I believe of Gary Shapley's story is the fact that

1071
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Speaker 2: he preserved emails back in October of twenty twenty two

1072
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Speaker 2: that told his side of the story honestly about what

1073
01:02:21,760 --> 01:02:26,040
Speaker 2: was going on inside of this Hunter Biden investigation. How

1074
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Speaker 2: nervous do you think he might have been that those

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Speaker 2: emails might vanish. I bet he had a backup for them.

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Speaker 2: Com use my name Clay today. Make sure you preserve

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Speaker 2: everything that matters in your life.

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Speaker 1: Make an appointment with the truth.

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Speaker 2: Tune in every day to The Clay Travis and Buck

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Speaker 2: Sexton Show.