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Speaker 1: Your tunes about Drive on your home of the Black

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Speaker 1: and Goal Steelers Nation Radio. Welcome back to the Drive

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Speaker 1: on Dale Ally here with Matt Williamson. Is uh in

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Speaker 1: our previous segment, Matt that we mentioned that this is

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Speaker 1: list season. It is list season and um NBC Sports

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Speaker 1: has put out a piece that's written by Patrick Doherty,

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Speaker 1: who have never heard of it goes by Rhodo. Pat

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Speaker 1: he's a good dude. I know him a little bit

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Speaker 1: um for they're not called Rhodo World anymore, but I

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Speaker 1: was refer to that site as road to World. He

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Speaker 1: does this every year. I think he's also the one

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Speaker 1: that does the top thirty two general managers to table.

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Speaker 1: He ranked his head coaches in the league this time around.

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Speaker 1: Obviously new coaches, you can't really rank them, he put cy,

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Speaker 1: but we need to remember how many new coaches are there? Six?

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Speaker 1: I think, yeah, there's probably six next year. So probably,

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Speaker 1: you know, some of these names aren't going to be

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Speaker 1: employed much longer, and there's a good chance another five

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Speaker 1: to eight or let go, you know, even though someone

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Speaker 1: might be tenth on this list this year or whatever.

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Speaker 1: So the new hires or Dan Campbell with the Lions,

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Speaker 1: David Culley with the Texans, the former Steelers wide receivers

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Speaker 1: coach Urban Meyer with the Jaguars, Robert Salo with the Jets,

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Speaker 1: Nick Sirianni with the Eagles, whose brother is actually the

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Speaker 1: head football coach at Washington. Jefferson commins, I didn't know

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Speaker 1: that little nugget. You go, Arthur Smith with the Falcons,

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Speaker 1: and Brandon Staley with the Chargers, who was a Division

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Speaker 1: three football coach. I think, and uh, he's a former quarterback.

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Speaker 1: I think. Trying to think of which Ohio school, one

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Speaker 1: of the Division three Ohio schools, I can't think of

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Speaker 1: Wesleyan or one of those, or the one in Cleveland.

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Speaker 1: I think. Okay, but he was with that like five

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Speaker 1: years ago. He's He's quickly right, Yeah, you wonder, but

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Speaker 1: it doesn't make you wonder because you know, when you're

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Speaker 1: the head coach of a team, you're the CEO, you're

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Speaker 1: the guy that everybody talks to, takes a you're not

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Speaker 1: scheming as much as you used to, or teaching some

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Speaker 1: fundamentals or I thought I did a phenomenal job with

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Speaker 1: the Rams, and people really talk him up that he's very,

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Speaker 1: very impressive. He may be a Tomlin. You know that

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Speaker 1: at that age people kind of raise their eyebrow a

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Speaker 1: go and who's that that's too early? But I mean

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Speaker 1: people that know him rave about him. I gotta say

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Speaker 1: of that group of new coaches, Salah in New York,

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Speaker 1: Smith in Atlanta, and him with the Chargers, of the

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Speaker 1: three that I'm have the highest hopes for, I have

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Speaker 1: no hopes at all for urban Meyer and Jackson. I

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Speaker 1: don't have a whole lot of faith there, and a

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Speaker 1: lot of other ones are jobs that people didn't really want.

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Speaker 1: It would not surprise me if at the end of

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Speaker 1: this season urban Meyer steps down as a coach of

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Speaker 1: the Jacksonville jack This isn't what I expected. He's done

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Speaker 1: that before, he's done it. He has a track record,

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Speaker 1: and I'm not making fun of his you know, physical

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Speaker 1: problems or health issues or whatever, but it would be

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Speaker 1: an easy out that. You know, this is a little

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Speaker 1: harder on my body than I thought. It's not what

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Speaker 1: I played, you know, playing for I'm out. Yeah. Uh

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Speaker 1: so that leads us with twenty five other coaches when

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Speaker 1: they win three games too. Yeah, that's the other by

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Speaker 1: the way, right, So number twenty five on this list

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Speaker 1: is Zach Taylor of the Bankers. He's six and one. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he belongs there. He didn't Inherit an easy jobson,

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Speaker 1: although I'll say this, they were not a horrible football

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Speaker 1: team in Marvin, ag Yeah, no, right, and like they

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Speaker 1: bought them out when Zack Taylor took over. And one

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Speaker 1: thing that organization has done that they didn't do from

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Speaker 1: Marvin is they've gone out and paid players. You know,

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Speaker 1: they've gone DJ readers and guys like that. They would

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Speaker 1: never sign those guys in the past. And he lucked

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Speaker 1: into a quarterback, right. I have questions. I mean I

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Speaker 1: often say this about the NFC West, who will probably

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Speaker 1: get to here soon in the a f C North,

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Speaker 1: that there's three coaches I really trust, and then there's

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Speaker 1: if one coach in the division is noticeably worse than

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Speaker 1: he have helped the quarterback situation more. I wonder, I mean,

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Speaker 1: it's been one year. They showed him one of your coaches.

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Speaker 1: track record twenty two. This guy's a track record. John Gruden,

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Speaker 1: I think he's a much much better coach than GM,

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Speaker 1: But I also think he's an overrated coach. You know,

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Speaker 1: his career record is one fourteen and one ten. I

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Speaker 1: bet it's much A Hall of Fame is not knocking

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Speaker 1: his defense is always stick. His defense has allowed since

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Speaker 1: he's been there an average of four fifty four points

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Speaker 1: a game. But ye okay, okay, yeah right, it never

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Speaker 1: a raider head coach this go around. You know, they're

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Speaker 1: never a contender. Not where he belongs. I guess one

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Speaker 1: Cliff Kingsbury, he'd be a little lower for me too.

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Speaker 1: Wide and um. You know, I think he looks a

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Speaker 1: where he belongs. I think he really benefited from some

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Speaker 1: great quarterbacks in Green Bay. It's a little harsh on

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Speaker 1: the guy. I know he's local and he's likable, but

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Speaker 1: I don't know the he's a great schemer, and I

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Speaker 1: don't know that he gets the most out of his teams.

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Speaker 1: have a high hope for him. I don't know I

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Speaker 1: he's superbers. Okay, I'm gonna go sign Teddy Bridgewater and

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Speaker 1: that's going to be our quarter and and they quickly

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Speaker 1: They're taking a chance for darn Old or and aggressive organization.

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Speaker 1: He's on like a six year guaranteed deal. Like if

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Speaker 1: if Tomlin retired and Matt Rule was one of the candidates,

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Speaker 1: I wouldn't have any problem hiring him. But where do

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Speaker 1: you rank him right now? After one year winning five games?

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Speaker 1: He's won five games in NFL head coach eighteen Matt Niggy.

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Speaker 1: I think he gets a little bit of a more

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Speaker 1: when he was hired was he's an andy disciple And

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Speaker 1: you could say, well, he hasn't had my homes. Nobody

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Speaker 1: But if he develops fields, I mean, it's crucial time

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Speaker 1: for him right now. There's no Yes, this is the year.

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Speaker 1: He's certainly a candidate to be one of those five

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Speaker 1: Seventeen Ron Rivera, I think he's a quality NFL head coach.

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Speaker 1: You know, like I say this a lot that there's

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Speaker 1: I don't know, humans on the planet that know how

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Speaker 1: to win NFL games. You could throw them on the

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Speaker 1: them than they deserve. Is the Hall of Famer. No,

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Speaker 1: But the other thing about him. One year ago they

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Speaker 1: changed the name of the team. There was all that

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Speaker 1: kind of stuff going on. They fired a bunch of

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Speaker 1: and he handled that stuff pretty well. Sixteen Kevin Stefanski.

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Speaker 1: Let's go to a year, last year, one year, one year,

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Speaker 1: so you would think the arrow is very much pointing out.

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Speaker 1: But now now we'll see now the pressure is on. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the bull's eyes on your chest. Um, I probably would

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Speaker 1: have him higher. I mean it was a great year,

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Speaker 1: but it's one. Okay, tell me who you would have

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Speaker 1: them hire that. There's gonna be some names here, Brian Flores,

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Speaker 1: Fourteen is Mike Vrabel. I gotta put both those guys

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Speaker 1: and a former Steeler and Patriot and won a lot

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Speaker 1: of games in the as a player. He seems to

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Speaker 1: not be great with clock management in the playoffs. He's

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Speaker 1: twenty nine and nineteen. I mean, there's something he said

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Speaker 1: for that. Like I always said that about O'Brien in

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Speaker 1: that division, like we're not a playoff team before that, right,

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Speaker 1: that's not easy. You know. Tannehill is not a superstar. Vrabel.

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Speaker 1: Also give Rabel credit for this. If you remember before

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Speaker 1: he became the head coach there, Derrick Henry was a

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Speaker 1: part time player. Yeah, he was, and there was questions about, well,

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Speaker 1: last two years. In a way like Tomlin, he's brought

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Speaker 1: an identity to that team. You know, we know you

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Speaker 1: know what you're getting with the Titans thirteen. Mike Zimmer, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: he's not much different than Brivera to me at this point.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's there's there's easily ten ahead of him.

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Speaker 1: I don't think he's gonna be on Hall of Fame ballots,

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Speaker 1: but that's a pretty good career, you know. He he

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Speaker 1: wins and he loses twelve. Matt Lafleur. I don't know

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Speaker 1: three both years NFC champion runner ups. But he's he

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Speaker 1: is kind of benefited from just not being Mike McCarthy

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Speaker 1: a little bit, right. I mean, like he's only done

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Speaker 1: That leaves number two is Andy Reid. These would be

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Speaker 1: my top two. Yeah, and then number one is Bill Belichick. Now,

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Speaker 1: the bloom come off the Belichick rose? I think it's unfair,

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Speaker 1: but Brady succeeding in Tampa Belichick doesn't. People have wondered,

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Speaker 1: people wondered to about that for nearly twenty years. Is

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Speaker 1: it is it Brady or is it Belichick? I think

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Speaker 1: definitely early in his career it was Belichick. Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean they were defensive driven teams, you know, right,

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Speaker 1: made the list, right, you know, I mean he was

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Speaker 1: something like that. Um, Lately, it's hard to argue that

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Speaker 1: But Brady also wasn't great two years ago. Far from it,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with because they didn't have weapons. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think last year was really excusable. Your

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Speaker 1: roster stunk. You got seven wins out of the team.

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Speaker 1: At the same time, you put that roster together because

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Speaker 1: you're the GM. Yeah, Bill, the GM is not a

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Speaker 1: top ten guy. To me. I think that. I think

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Speaker 1: he makes up for but he gets the benefit of

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Speaker 1: the doubt on that because he's Bill and he he

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Speaker 1: makes a lot of moves. He trades for guys late

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Speaker 1: in their career. He moves around the draft board a lot.

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Speaker 1: His draft grades are always high because look, he got

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Speaker 1: next to third round pick next year and he's smarter

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Speaker 1: everybody else. But the guys he drafts have not been good,

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Speaker 1: you know. And how much would Tomlin get criticized if

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Speaker 1: You know what I mean? That wasn't that long ago,

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Speaker 1: and we all rolled our eyes at that going This

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Speaker 1: guy has never been good, but some people, some people

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Speaker 1: just put the rubber stample all Belichick's making. The train

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Speaker 1: safety out of Rutgers we've never heard of in the

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Speaker 1: third round. He must be must be great, must be great. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he's the best coach ever lived, though, I

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Speaker 1: mean I really do. I mean, I think he's done things.

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Speaker 1: But you're starting your franchise. You can pick him with

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Speaker 1: you have your pick between him and Andy Reid. They're similar,

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Speaker 1: similar age, they're similar age. Who are you picking? Bill?

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Speaker 1: I'd like to see Bill with my homes right now. Well,

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Speaker 1: I'm not saying you get my homes. If I'm if

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Speaker 1: my negative on I think if i'm picking, if i'm

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Speaker 1: picking a head coach, I might take Andy Andy Reid

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Speaker 1: right now because and you say, okay, we're picking a

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Speaker 1: got an expansion team. Yeah, right, you get that we're

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Speaker 1: getting We're gonna give you the number one pick in

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Speaker 1: the draft or that's an expansion draft, and we'll give

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Speaker 1: you some guys. You know, it's not total. Garden might

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Speaker 1: take Andy Reid because I know he's gonna scheme it

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Speaker 1: up offensively to make me competitive right away. Belichick will

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Speaker 1: do that defensively, but I think the game has changed.

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Speaker 1: I think the game has changed too. It's it's more,

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Speaker 1: it's way more offensive now. And I don't know that Belichick.

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Speaker 1: I don't know who the better talent evaluator is or

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Speaker 1: I think a builder. I think Belichick is the better

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Speaker 1: culture because I know that, and I think Belichick is

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Speaker 1: better on game day. Read made the move up to

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Speaker 1: get Patrick Mahomes with the tenth pick in the draft.

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Speaker 1: By the way, yea, when they were a playoff team,

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Speaker 1: Reid got he found Travis Kelsey and Tyreek Killing. Now

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Speaker 1: maybe some teams had Tyreek Kill off their off the

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Speaker 1: draft list. Um, you know we talked. He's also have

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Speaker 1: made that work. You know, like no one gives Tom

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Speaker 1: and credit for keeping a b saying on the fairway

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Speaker 1: even though he's driving it in the in the rock.

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Speaker 1: I think, you know, measured over the last five years,

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Speaker 1: been better. He's been better, That's what I'm saying. But nobody,

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Speaker 1: nobody will put Read ahead of Belichick at this blow.

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Speaker 1: That's just Belichi. You start your listening Belichick's number one,

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Speaker 1: and then everybody have to write that in pen and

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Speaker 1: I would do the exact same thing. Still as a

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Speaker 1: head coach. But we do this for other all these

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Speaker 1: players to like, Julio is not the number one receiver anymore,

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Speaker 1: Like which one is more likely to go to the

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Speaker 1: Super Bowl this year? Andy Reader? And if and if

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Speaker 1: Reid gets there, it'll be three in a row. Oh

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Speaker 1: and they were DeFord lining up in the neutral zone.

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Speaker 1: Way four in a row. Right, I mean, that's a

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Speaker 1: dynasty in the making that isn't dying anytime soon. Um,

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Speaker 1: it's a strong point. I mean, I'm just I'm just

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Speaker 1: throwing it out there that I you know, I think

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Speaker 1: everybody looks at well it's Belichick and everybody else, and

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Speaker 1: I don't know that it is right now. I know,

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Speaker 1: here's my semi argument against that though. If this came out,

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Speaker 1: I don't know, three years ago, four years ago, Bill

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Speaker 1: is still number one, of course, and he's in his

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Speaker 1: prime and they're rolling and they're hard to beat. Andy

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Speaker 1: is in the harbor Tomlin four or five six range.

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Speaker 1: You know, maybe it really good career. But then he

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Speaker 1: gets my homes. But you can't had a good football

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Speaker 1: team before. They they've always had good football and Philly

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Speaker 1: they always had good football teams. I mean, he took

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Speaker 1: teams to the playoffs with Coy det Mur and Kevin Cobb,

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Speaker 1: and you know, people forget those guys too. And he

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Speaker 1: turned Alex Smith into a kind of a star for

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Speaker 1: a year. And then you give him the last piece,

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Speaker 1: which is the best piece of the puzzle. You know,

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Speaker 1: they're they're flipping, you know, because Bill is trying to

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Speaker 1: manufacture chicken soup out of chicken scratch now and and

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Speaker 1: he did that, and he did that for years, right,

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Speaker 1: and now you give him a prime Filet mignon and

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Speaker 1: they work well. The Filet now is in Tampa. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I just think, you know, if let's let's again, let's

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Speaker 1: say Belichick, they don't they don't make the playoffs again

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Speaker 1: this year, which is possibility, and the chiefs of the

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Speaker 1: number one in the chiefs, you know, at least go

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Speaker 1: to the a f C Championship and win the division

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Speaker 1: by a long shot, best team in the FC. You're

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Speaker 1: close to it. I think you start to have that conversation.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I don't know that Andy can get past

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Speaker 1: Bill for who's had a better career. Yeah no, I'm

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Speaker 1: not saying. I'm not saying right now, if we're building today,

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Speaker 1: if we're looking at at head coaches right now, and

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Speaker 1: we look at it the same way we looked at

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Speaker 1: the top hundred players. What are you right now? That's

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Speaker 1: what I was about to say. It's easy to do

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Speaker 1: with players because they last five, six, seven years, and

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Speaker 1: you don't look at Bill would be like, he doesn't

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Speaker 1: run as well as he used to. But what was

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Speaker 1: as good as the end of it was at the beginning,

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Speaker 1: Tom Landry wasn't good at the end of it was

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Speaker 1: in the beginning. You know, I might start to lose

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Speaker 1: her fastball, Carol. I think it's noteworthy, you know, because

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Speaker 1: Reid's flying. Yeah, he's he's going this way, he's you

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Speaker 1: know whatever. But uh yeah, just an interesting conversation. Also

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Speaker 1: in a Belichick manner, Read kills the a f C

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Speaker 1: West YEA. Even when they were before they didn't have

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Speaker 1: Patrick for home kills them read coming off a bye

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Speaker 1: read verse division had the whole offseasons. Okay, we're gonna

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Speaker 1: here's we're gonna spend this week on the Broncos and

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Speaker 1: comes up with you know plann Okay, we're gonna beat

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Speaker 1: them both times, right, Yeah, anyways, that's gonna do it

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Speaker 1: for this show. Interesting conversation. Uh so for my partner

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Speaker 1: Matt Williamson, for Jacob rect here on safe keeping us

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Speaker 1: on the air, I'm dale Ally. We thank you for

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