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Speaker 1: how you feeling, Man? This rapp Right Up Podcast up

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Speaker 1: is getting crazy. Man, you're not feeling that well. Right

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Speaker 1: down a little to the one, a little bit under

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Speaker 1: the weather man. But the show must go on. You

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Speaker 1: don't work, you don't eat. Man. We've been ripping and running. Man.

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Speaker 1: You know, we remember back in the day when we

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Speaker 1: two thousand and fifteen started Rappering Up Podcast. We had

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Speaker 1: this little tiny office and made all the rappers come

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Speaker 1: to us. But now we run after all the rappers.

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Speaker 1: Right we hit these cities, man, Yeah, Man from Coast Weather,

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Speaker 1: We're gonna come higher at you man, Calli's house. Man.

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Speaker 1: You've got here spilling drinks and stuff. Man, you know now,

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Speaker 1: but we got one thing I was thinking, Man, we

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Speaker 1: gotta let me two people know who we are. Man.

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Speaker 1: I know we've been ripping the run with this new

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Speaker 1: season of Rapperate Up Podcast, But everybody might not know

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Speaker 1: who Elliot Wilson is. I know it's hard to believe,

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Speaker 1: but they might not know who Brian beat Out Miller is. Man,

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Speaker 1: so easy to believe beat beat up. What's what's been

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Speaker 1: your journey? Man? How could you sum up you? What

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Speaker 1: makes you special? Man? What's cool? On? Brian beat out Miller?

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Speaker 1: And you know, I mean just a guy from queens Man,

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Speaker 1: just coming up in the journalism. We used to work

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Speaker 1: you know EXXL I started that. I'll started working at

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Speaker 1: me forever. By the time I didn't beat I joined

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Speaker 1: the team, that's like oh five, and then like he said,

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Speaker 1: You might have heard about that. I got fired fired

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Speaker 1: See they set us up and who would know the

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Speaker 1: nightmare that we would pair up and build the media empire.

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Speaker 1: But the rapp rate up. We came into blog Ara. Man,

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Speaker 1: what was it like for us? Navigan do that blog? Ara?

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Speaker 1: What are some of your memories of the whole blog era. Man,

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Speaker 1: such a magic time the blogger. That was just interesting

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Speaker 1: because it was like all the rappers that you grow

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Speaker 1: we had this office downtown. Beat that would Beat that

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Speaker 1: say how to Macklemore. I'm like, I don't know, man,

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Speaker 1: but we've we've we've gone to a better place now

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Speaker 1: can you embarrass? Man? Tell him ken you barrass is

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Speaker 1: he's wearing many hats. Leaders, got a check STU, a

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Speaker 1: lot of checks, a lot of checks. He's an executive,

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Speaker 1: guy does it all. And if anything's going down in

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Speaker 1: the Hollywood, pretty sure Kenyan Barriss has a hand in it. Yeah. Man,

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Speaker 1: to Variety's got a new project with a rapper. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Who is it be that embarrass Let's get into it.

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Speaker 1: Beat Elliot, Willson Elliot. We're here with the hardest working

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Speaker 1: many gigs, green Lights in the future, man. But I've

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Speaker 1: creator wants l g B g Q characters and things,

425
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Speaker 1: and it was like thirty comments like there you go,

426
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Speaker 1: messing up again. You know what I'm saying, blah blah blah,

427
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Speaker 1: I won't be watching. And I'm like, yo, like, first

428
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Speaker 1: of all, Wizard Rises the gayest movie ever. And I

429
00:20:31,040 --> 00:20:34,240
Speaker 1: feel like the idea that we want to box herself

430
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Speaker 1: in what I'm saying when we do it, when a

431
00:20:37,080 --> 00:20:39,360
Speaker 1: black man is doing something and I have something to say,

432
00:20:39,440 --> 00:20:42,440
Speaker 1: and sort of like, I feel like some time we

433
00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:46,280
Speaker 1: stop ourselves from growing, we stop ourselves from from the

434
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:50,159
Speaker 1: idea of like see it first before you start saying that, Yeah, like,

435
00:20:50,359 --> 00:20:52,520
Speaker 1: let's give it a chance, Like let's look what it is.

436
00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:56,200
Speaker 1: Let's celebrate the fact that we're getting these opportunities, you

437
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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, Because if I get this opportunity

438
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Speaker 1: and I can do good this, someone else can get

439
00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,760
Speaker 1: this opportunity and they can do good. And like and

440
00:21:02,840 --> 00:21:05,639
Speaker 1: we can can continue to grow and it doesn't have

441
00:21:05,760 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 1: to keep being we're doing the same type of things,

442
00:21:08,359 --> 00:21:10,640
Speaker 1: but I feel like we are sometimes I think we're

443
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Speaker 1: our hardest, you know, Predator. It's interesting yourself procleaning black

444
00:21:15,560 --> 00:21:19,560
Speaker 1: Dude from Inglewood. So I'm just curious rap, right or

445
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Speaker 1: what is your rap origin beginning for you? I think

446
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Speaker 1: the first wrap aubum My God was I think it's

447
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Speaker 1: like a junker sometime it makes me wonder how to

448
00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:32,760
Speaker 1: keep it what I'm saying, Like, I think that was

449
00:21:32,840 --> 00:21:36,480
Speaker 1: the first. It was like a light blue album covering.

450
00:21:36,520 --> 00:21:38,760
Speaker 1: I think I just played that album out of over.

451
00:21:38,920 --> 00:21:40,920
Speaker 1: But then you know, I was in the West Coast,

452
00:21:40,960 --> 00:21:42,920
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, So we started listening to

453
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Speaker 1: you know, battle Cat, you know what I'm saying, and

454
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:48,840
Speaker 1: stuff like that, like you know, Egyptian lover Like and

455
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Speaker 1: then like n w A came out and just like

456
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Speaker 1: that was the beginning of Like that was it for us,

457
00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:55,760
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, you know, you were proud to

458
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Speaker 1: be from because we had created something for us that

459
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Speaker 1: was change, you know what I'm saying. He approached the

460
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Speaker 1: whole world in a different way. But like I'm a

461
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Speaker 1: I'm a I'm a music fan. I'm saying I'm a

462
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Speaker 1: music fan. I was, you know, I was a dude,

463
00:22:09,760 --> 00:22:12,800
Speaker 1: was like like, I remember, you know, I would listen

464
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Speaker 1: to Sweet Back for hours. I would listening to Porter's Head.

465
00:22:15,040 --> 00:22:17,760
Speaker 1: I'm listening, you know, to Miles. I've listened this. I'm

466
00:22:17,800 --> 00:22:20,760
Speaker 1: just some music fan. I feel like, Um, you know,

467
00:22:21,160 --> 00:22:24,440
Speaker 1: there was this movie dot com Score. Um, if you

468
00:22:24,480 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 1: gotta haven't seen, you should see it. It's a all

469
00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:29,360
Speaker 1: about score or whatever, and it um Quincy Jones said

470
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Speaker 1: something and he said that music is a motion motion

471
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Speaker 1: and it was like it spoke to me. I really

472
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Speaker 1: do feel like that, you know. I'm saying like there's

473
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Speaker 1: a part where a Trent wrestler is um gearing up

474
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Speaker 1: for um, he's showing the social network, right, and it's

475
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Speaker 1: that haunting just a couple of keystrokes him running through

476
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Speaker 1: the Hardvard thing and then they take that out and

477
00:22:54,240 --> 00:22:56,399
Speaker 1: you're like, this is some bullshit, and then they put

478
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Speaker 1: it back. You're like this one thing. That's how I'm saying,

479
00:22:59,440 --> 00:23:01,520
Speaker 1: a change is the whole thing of it. So I

480
00:23:01,680 --> 00:23:04,359
Speaker 1: feel like all of it and everything that all of

481
00:23:04,480 --> 00:23:07,240
Speaker 1: us do, like it's we're all connected. And I'm saying

482
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:09,280
Speaker 1: in a really big way. I was gonna say, you're

483
00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:11,440
Speaker 1: one of the greatest television writers, and like when do

484
00:23:11,520 --> 00:23:14,600
Speaker 1: you write to music as a backdrop? But absolutely I have.

485
00:23:15,760 --> 00:23:21,240
Speaker 1: Chrissette Michelle's first album is my album. And you you

486
00:23:21,400 --> 00:23:24,359
Speaker 1: find something that you I can't listen to something new.

487
00:23:24,480 --> 00:23:26,560
Speaker 1: I know that album so well that it becomes background

488
00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:29,240
Speaker 1: noise for me what I'm saying. And the best book

489
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Speaker 1: I ever read on writing was just Stephen King wrote

490
00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,440
Speaker 1: this book called on Writing Right, and he's it's really

491
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Speaker 1: a biography mixed with the writing book. But one of

492
00:23:36,600 --> 00:23:38,920
Speaker 1: the things he said is like train your mind to

493
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Speaker 1: try to do the same thing in the same place

494
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Speaker 1: at the same time every day. And he's like, it

495
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Speaker 1: becomes pav lobby. And so mine used to be a

496
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Speaker 1: coffee shot and I want to sit in the same

497
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Speaker 1: seat the same time. I put Priscepte Michelle on my

498
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Speaker 1: ear things and I just go right. Even if I

499
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Speaker 1: didn't feel like some of my some I was sitting there.

500
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Speaker 1: Sometimes I feel like, yo, can I give you bucks

501
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Speaker 1: to sit here? Because because I was like I need

502
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Speaker 1: to seat, I need to look up. And the hardest

503
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:04,400
Speaker 1: thing is like when people start recognizing and would interrupt

504
00:24:04,720 --> 00:24:06,480
Speaker 1: and I had to change that or whatever. But but

505
00:24:07,119 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 1: what happens is when you try to do things around

506
00:24:09,040 --> 00:24:12,399
Speaker 1: the same time, same place every day, it does become

507
00:24:13,160 --> 00:24:16,000
Speaker 1: And even if you don't want to write, sometimes you

508
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Speaker 1: might get four hours with sometimes I get too, but

509
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Speaker 1: your brain will turn on and be like it's worked on.

510
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Speaker 1: So that's something if I can I try to do.

511
00:24:23,600 --> 00:24:25,359
Speaker 1: It's always interesting me because me and me and be

512
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Speaker 1: the backgrounds music generalists. We both with the double XL

513
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Speaker 1: so we have a staff office, so we would kind

514
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Speaker 1: of get to be creative and bounceside this of each other.

515
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Speaker 1: But if you look at the TV, well you know

516
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Speaker 1: it's the mythical thing of a writer's room, right where

517
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Speaker 1: all these different writers get together. Like you talked about

518
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Speaker 1: your early days of like navigating through that and like working,

519
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Speaker 1: you know, entering these writers rooms with other creatives and

520
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Speaker 1: then developing your voice. Yeah, that's to me, that is

521
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Speaker 1: that's my life. I love that. You know what I'm

522
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Speaker 1: saying being in the room what you know, ten or

523
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Speaker 1: twelve other people who are funny, fucked up, you know,

524
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Speaker 1: saying smart, get your voice, don't get your voice, will

525
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Speaker 1: argue back at you, you know what I'm saying, like

526
00:25:06,080 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: it creates like it's magic to what I'm saying, and

527
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Speaker 1: I feel like no for me. For a long time,

528
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Speaker 1: I was the only black dude in the room. I

529
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Speaker 1: was the youngest and I was only black dude room.

530
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Speaker 1: But it taught me a lot. It taught me like

531
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Speaker 1: how to sort of like at first, I remember like

532
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Speaker 1: I tried to dress like the white boys, you know

533
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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I tried to do stuffing. And then

534
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,040
Speaker 1: you know what I realized is like the only way

535
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Speaker 1: it's really ever gonna work is if I'm me I'm saying,

536
00:25:31,040 --> 00:25:33,800
Speaker 1: And I started like bucking up against that and just

537
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Speaker 1: being the best version of truth version yeahing inside. Like

538
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Speaker 1: I remember when I would go on interviews for writers,

539
00:25:42,920 --> 00:25:45,680
Speaker 1: I would like look up their pictures and I'd be like, Okay,

540
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Speaker 1: this guy looks like a doctor, white shirt. What I'm

541
00:25:48,440 --> 00:25:52,040
Speaker 1: saying what I'm saying, and I'm like, it wasn't working,

542
00:25:52,080 --> 00:25:53,520
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like I might get the job.

543
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,280
Speaker 1: But then I get in there and one of the

544
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Speaker 1: biggest arguments I've ever had was, um, Neil Neil Young, Right,

545
00:26:01,720 --> 00:26:04,520
Speaker 1: I didn't know Neil you right, and the writers fucking

546
00:26:04,560 --> 00:26:09,160
Speaker 1: Neil Young, um, Eric Costello. I'm saying that that was Costello.

547
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Speaker 1: White boys go crazy and I was like, I'm talking

548
00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:14,879
Speaker 1: about it and they were like, you don't know this,

549
00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:17,200
Speaker 1: and almost like I was like, nin do you know

550
00:26:17,359 --> 00:26:19,760
Speaker 1: DJ Quick? And I was like, who sold more records

551
00:26:19,840 --> 00:26:22,320
Speaker 1: last year? And I bucked back and we pulled it

552
00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:23,880
Speaker 1: up and I was like, so you know what I'm

553
00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:25,840
Speaker 1: saying and like, and it kind of was like a

554
00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 1: mutual respect, like the idea of like, don't try to

555
00:26:29,880 --> 00:26:32,479
Speaker 1: like shoot on my on my references. And that's why

556
00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,960
Speaker 1: I started realizing is that the reason is hard for

557
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:38,760
Speaker 1: us to make it in those particular situations is we

558
00:26:38,880 --> 00:26:41,239
Speaker 1: have different reference points. You know what I'm saying. They

559
00:26:41,280 --> 00:26:46,120
Speaker 1: grew up reading slaughter House five, David Sedaris, Um, this guy,

560
00:26:46,359 --> 00:26:49,400
Speaker 1: that guy we grew up reading, you know, maybe Baldwin,

561
00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:52,399
Speaker 1: Terry McMillan. You know what I'm saying. Uh, you know,

562
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Speaker 1: we're the people that we say seriously young but like, um,

563
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Speaker 1: they met, they would make you feel less than like

564
00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:03,320
Speaker 1: you didn't have their references. And I started realizing, like,

565
00:27:03,440 --> 00:27:06,440
Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna find their reference because I

566
00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,320
Speaker 1: want to play their games. I'm gonna read their references.

567
00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: I'm gonna play the games. They're never gonna read mine

568
00:27:10,720 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: because they don't respect me, and so I'm gonna be

569
00:27:12,440 --> 00:27:15,760
Speaker 1: ahead of them. I'm gonna figure out because I do

570
00:27:15,880 --> 00:27:17,760
Speaker 1: think there were real things to understand from some of

571
00:27:17,800 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: those references, but they didn't really feel that the need

572
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:22,800
Speaker 1: for me and that, and the world started changing and

573
00:27:22,920 --> 00:27:24,880
Speaker 1: so they were behind and started being behind the curb.

574
00:27:25,000 --> 00:27:27,080
Speaker 1: And I'm saying, pin a ball, and I was like,

575
00:27:27,280 --> 00:27:30,159
Speaker 1: as always were, we learned two languages, you know what

576
00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:31,920
Speaker 1: I'm saying, we have to sort of as ball. I

577
00:27:31,960 --> 00:27:34,080
Speaker 1: would and say, you know, we speak to dual dialogue.

578
00:27:34,119 --> 00:27:36,440
Speaker 1: And I feel like that became the sort of change

579
00:27:36,440 --> 00:27:37,920
Speaker 1: from when I started being like, Yo, I'm the world

580
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Speaker 1: hoodie to work, you're gonna do this. I'm gonna sort

581
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:43,320
Speaker 1: of do that. And it happened to come at the

582
00:27:43,400 --> 00:27:45,760
Speaker 1: time as the world which was changing, and all their kids,

583
00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,840
Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying, we're listening to the same stuff

584
00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,359
Speaker 1: as our kids, and they didn't have the reference points.

585
00:27:50,359 --> 00:27:52,440
Speaker 1: And I feel like, you know, I try to tell

586
00:27:53,080 --> 00:27:55,359
Speaker 1: you know, right, it's not that the idea. I think, like,

587
00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: I love all the opportunities that those up N shows

588
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Speaker 1: c W shows gave us. But like Iron brought was

589
00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:07,639
Speaker 1: in the game. Um, they showed the game and it

590
00:28:07,760 --> 00:28:10,320
Speaker 1: had crossed over the b T and when it came up,

591
00:28:10,400 --> 00:28:14,480
Speaker 1: it broke every cable record, reviewing record. And I would

592
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:16,080
Speaker 1: go out every year. You go out was called staffing

593
00:28:16,119 --> 00:28:17,440
Speaker 1: meetings to get in your job. You're gonna be with

594
00:28:17,560 --> 00:28:20,240
Speaker 1: executives and they're like, well, what show are you on.

595
00:28:20,280 --> 00:28:22,159
Speaker 1: I'm like, I'm in the game, Like I'm not familiar.

596
00:28:22,200 --> 00:28:24,719
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know the show that more people watched

597
00:28:24,800 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: on cable than anything else. And they didn't care because

598
00:28:28,200 --> 00:28:29,440
Speaker 1: it was like they were like, well, that's all black

599
00:28:29,440 --> 00:28:32,520
Speaker 1: people like, but it's your job if you're if you're

600
00:28:32,520 --> 00:28:34,920
Speaker 1: a television executive, it's your job to know this is

601
00:28:34,960 --> 00:28:37,720
Speaker 1: a number more people are watching and so you should

602
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,120
Speaker 1: know the show on. But they that's how little they cared.

603
00:28:40,800 --> 00:28:43,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, you know what. At some point,

604
00:28:43,680 --> 00:28:47,440
Speaker 1: I was like I'm going two buck this, And so

605
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:49,760
Speaker 1: every year I started selling pilots to the because I

606
00:28:49,840 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: still wanted to be accepted. I know that because if

607
00:28:54,000 --> 00:28:55,640
Speaker 1: I wanted to be accepted about those views, because I

608
00:28:55,680 --> 00:28:57,920
Speaker 1: wanted to get in and change it. I started selling

609
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Speaker 1: pilots every year NBC, ABC, CBS, you know, and um

610
00:29:03,160 --> 00:29:05,120
Speaker 1: and keep myself in mind. But I kept the job

611
00:29:05,600 --> 00:29:07,480
Speaker 1: I had was really lucky enough to get you know,

612
00:29:07,600 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 1: those black employers. What I'm saying that they were able

613
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,560
Speaker 1: to feed my family, and you know, we made money.

614
00:29:13,080 --> 00:29:15,640
Speaker 1: And then I finally got an opportunity, and I felt

615
00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:19,160
Speaker 1: like I realized that enough of us weren't trained. There's

616
00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:21,600
Speaker 1: different drug structures, you know what I'm saying. There's different

617
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:25,080
Speaker 1: structures in those rooms, and they would give us diversity slots, right,

618
00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:27,800
Speaker 1: but we don't just like black comics and white comics

619
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,120
Speaker 1: on the world. We tell our jokes, we tell our

620
00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:32,800
Speaker 1: stories differently, and if it's not the way that they

621
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:34,800
Speaker 1: say that we're supposed to tell it, they wanted to

622
00:29:34,880 --> 00:29:36,760
Speaker 1: look down on us, you know I'm saying. But I

623
00:29:36,840 --> 00:29:39,680
Speaker 1: started realizing that my job was gonna be just have

624
00:29:40,400 --> 00:29:43,080
Speaker 1: a situation where I could bring people up and give

625
00:29:43,160 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: them the training to train on both ways. And I'm

626
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,120
Speaker 1: saying so that when we got those opportunities and got

627
00:29:48,200 --> 00:29:50,400
Speaker 1: put in from those people, we would know how to

628
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:52,520
Speaker 1: play their game. But we have played our way, and

629
00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,720
Speaker 1: I think that's what spite. That's what I'm saying, John.

630
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,840
Speaker 1: It's a lot of people that I have, you know,

631
00:29:57,960 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: consider my heroes, they've they've did what I'm saying. I

632
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:04,800
Speaker 1: think that that has been really for me. A you know,

633
00:30:05,520 --> 00:30:08,080
Speaker 1: a gift that like I gave myself and I try

634
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:11,000
Speaker 1: to give it to my kids is stay in your lane,

635
00:30:11,080 --> 00:30:13,680
Speaker 1: I'm saying. But no, you know their game too, I'm saying,

636
00:30:13,680 --> 00:30:15,400
Speaker 1: because we're always going to know how to play our game,

637
00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:16,920
Speaker 1: and we always end up beating them at theirs too.

638
00:30:16,960 --> 00:30:18,720
Speaker 1: If they let us in the door. You're like the

639
00:30:18,800 --> 00:30:28,640
Speaker 1: Black Griffin right now, I'm just saying that older though, well,

640
00:30:28,680 --> 00:30:30,320
Speaker 1: you know I'm looking at you know, the people that

641
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:32,400
Speaker 1: you've working with. You're given a lot of rappers opportunities,

642
00:30:32,520 --> 00:30:36,000
Speaker 1: right I saw that working with Fat Joe Um developing

643
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Speaker 1: a probable in the Book of Jose. I guess we're

644
00:30:37,840 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 1: gonna with the storyteller in the world's right. They can

645
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: tell you about going to the grocery store and you'll

646
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:50,200
Speaker 1: be like, they check you out everything. You know, he's

647
00:30:50,240 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: the best story telling the world. He's a genius. You

648
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:55,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. He's been He's the Puerto Rican

649
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Speaker 1: and Cuban for he has been everything, piece of the

650
00:31:01,000 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: of the world. He teach graffiti, everything, every k a

651
00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,920
Speaker 1: big punt. I'm saying, like, and everybody respects show and

652
00:31:12,920 --> 00:31:16,280
Speaker 1: he's just a solid you know what I'm saying. Tinto's down, dude.

653
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,719
Speaker 1: What I'm saying, Um, I got your work with events

654
00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:22,160
Speaker 1: doing the movie with Staple, Yeah, we just did some evincing.

655
00:31:22,520 --> 00:31:24,080
Speaker 1: Back to that writer's room thing, I feel like his

656
00:31:24,160 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: whole energy, he's excited to go to the writer's room

657
00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:30,880
Speaker 1: every day, right, he shows up every day, you know.

658
00:31:31,240 --> 00:31:32,960
Speaker 1: And it's the one thing I look at events like

659
00:31:33,080 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 1: it's it's crazy because it's a room full of life boys, right,

660
00:31:35,880 --> 00:31:39,280
Speaker 1: and Vance's pitching and show and they're kind of a

661
00:31:39,360 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 1: little scared to him, right, And I'm like, I was like,

662
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: there's active long beach cript in the writer's room, and

663
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:51,800
Speaker 1: like they're afraid. I'm saying, like, I'm like when they

664
00:31:51,880 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 1: say ship, I'm like, there's an active long beach cript telling,

665
00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:57,360
Speaker 1: you know, and like they don't know how to push back,

666
00:31:57,760 --> 00:31:59,840
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, because it's just like we're

667
00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 1: restive as a people, you know I'm saying, And it

668
00:32:01,640 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 1: comes off but like you know, I love Vince because

669
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:08,320
Speaker 1: Vince is so receptive and wants to learn, and he's

670
00:32:08,640 --> 00:32:10,520
Speaker 1: an I don't die that. He's brilliant, you know what

671
00:32:10,520 --> 00:32:13,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like brilliant a little, but that's what you

672
00:32:14,920 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: He needs a chip on the shop. And I told him,

673
00:32:17,640 --> 00:32:18,960
Speaker 1: I was like, man, you gotta I want you to

674
00:32:19,040 --> 00:32:21,760
Speaker 1: take uh an improv class and I was like, I

675
00:32:21,880 --> 00:32:23,960
Speaker 1: want you to learn how to do yes hand, you

676
00:32:24,040 --> 00:32:28,000
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, And the idea of like you know,

677
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:31,920
Speaker 1: you have it, but taking an idea and then being like, Okay,

678
00:32:32,280 --> 00:32:33,720
Speaker 1: what if we did this? You know what I'm saying,

679
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: Because the way his mind works, he's just smarter and

680
00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:40,480
Speaker 1: faster than everyone else. But sometime if you're not used

681
00:32:40,520 --> 00:32:42,720
Speaker 1: to being around us, we can come off aggressive, like

682
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:44,760
Speaker 1: you know, people come to our dinners or see us

683
00:32:44,800 --> 00:32:48,480
Speaker 1: who like we the way we approaching it's just something different.

684
00:32:48,520 --> 00:32:50,240
Speaker 1: And if you're not in that, it comes off a

685
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:52,760
Speaker 1: different way. And he was so open to it, and

686
00:32:53,680 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: so he's just he's one of the next ones. You

687
00:32:58,440 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: have a drum with sent coming right. Fifty and fifty

688
00:33:00,840 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 1: we did we took the four Day Laws of Power.

689
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Speaker 1: Fifty probably does like you, Um, fifty scares me, but

690
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,040
Speaker 1: we're doing the fiftieth law. Um I'm saying, which was

691
00:33:15,120 --> 00:33:16,840
Speaker 1: like you know, the Hood for day Laws of Power.

692
00:33:17,280 --> 00:33:18,880
Speaker 1: You know, he got it and we turned it into

693
00:33:19,600 --> 00:33:21,239
Speaker 1: you know, I'm saying a story of a kid who

694
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Speaker 1: you know comes from you know, from the Bronx or

695
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:26,200
Speaker 1: from you know and whatever, but gets into Wall Street

696
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:29,760
Speaker 1: and uses the same ship that like we know and

697
00:33:29,840 --> 00:33:31,800
Speaker 1: how they see sort of like make that in a

698
00:33:31,880 --> 00:33:33,680
Speaker 1: real world. You know, I'm saying, you've heard the stories,

699
00:33:33,720 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: like you know, if you can, if you can take

700
00:33:35,760 --> 00:33:37,520
Speaker 1: a dude who can sell crack on the corner, make

701
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,800
Speaker 1: him a millionaire, what could that do, dude if you

702
00:33:39,920 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: actually put it on a boardroom like with those are

703
00:33:41,560 --> 00:33:45,680
Speaker 1: fortune CEOs who don't the opportunity. So it takes that,

704
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:48,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying the premise and and does it. You know,

705
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,440
Speaker 1: I got to do with Kid Cutty doing a movie

706
00:33:50,480 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: with Snoop. I'm a huge, huge j fan, Like you

707
00:33:53,480 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. I want to do whatever he

708
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 1: wants wants to do, whatever I me and Parrell have

709
00:33:56,960 --> 00:34:02,000
Speaker 1: to play. You know, I'm saying we and just saying

710
00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:07,080
Speaker 1: my Fris absolutely a genius. I remember fifteen sixteen making

711
00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:09,800
Speaker 1: rum Shaker. What I'm saying, like what I'm saying, like

712
00:34:11,200 --> 00:34:12,800
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Rex, And he was like

713
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,759
Speaker 1: in that Teddy care who else I get? I mean

714
00:34:15,840 --> 00:34:18,000
Speaker 1: so many on the rap side, but it's like you're

715
00:34:18,080 --> 00:34:20,040
Speaker 1: coming to hip hop mogul on the low. But it's

716
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:22,840
Speaker 1: it's the idea of like we all speak the same language.

717
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,760
Speaker 1: And I'm saying like the thing that people don't think about,

718
00:34:25,800 --> 00:34:31,360
Speaker 1: it's like rappers are poets. That's the softest ship you

719
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,880
Speaker 1: can be in the world. What I'm saying, saying like

720
00:34:36,640 --> 00:34:39,279
Speaker 1: the core they're poets, they're writers, know what I'm saying,

721
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:42,520
Speaker 1: and they tell their griots and stuff like I story

722
00:34:42,640 --> 00:34:44,680
Speaker 1: others and I think that part of it has made

723
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:46,600
Speaker 1: us be able to see each other. He was doing

724
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:50,480
Speaker 1: something with Little Kim and like me with Nicki Minaj.

725
00:34:50,520 --> 00:34:52,399
Speaker 1: And I feel like when I when I started hearing

726
00:34:52,480 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 1: Nikki story, Nikki was telling me like she worked at

727
00:34:55,239 --> 00:34:58,880
Speaker 1: all these red lobsters and she was like and she

728
00:34:59,080 --> 00:35:03,000
Speaker 1: was like she used to take the receipt rolls and

729
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,359
Speaker 1: on her at break she because she couldn't have money

730
00:35:06,440 --> 00:35:08,359
Speaker 1: papers she would go right a rhymes in the car

731
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:10,480
Speaker 1: on receipt rolls, you know what I'm saying, and take

732
00:35:10,520 --> 00:35:12,480
Speaker 1: the bus all the way to the other side of

733
00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:14,840
Speaker 1: town to perform in arts whatever the New York perform

734
00:35:15,680 --> 00:35:17,840
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, And like, just hearing this, I'm like,

735
00:35:18,239 --> 00:35:21,319
Speaker 1: people don't they see the outcome, but they don't see

736
00:35:21,360 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 1: the work and the sort of like strain and effort

737
00:35:24,840 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: and energy and the brilliance that went in to get there.

738
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,560
Speaker 1: And I think that that part. I've been really lucky

739
00:35:29,760 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: that I respect that and I respect them and and

740
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:36,360
Speaker 1: in some aspect they've given me respect. And you know,

741
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: I used to kind of shy away from it. Now

742
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: I love it. Now I love it. I know what

743
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying that I can, you know, be a part

744
00:35:43,160 --> 00:35:45,400
Speaker 1: of it. Like one of the craziest moments for me,

745
00:35:45,560 --> 00:35:47,879
Speaker 1: Like I was, I would get calls from people or whatever,

746
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:49,719
Speaker 1: and I remember I got a call from Spielberg and

747
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: were like, Spielberg wants to meet you. And I was like,

748
00:35:51,680 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 1: oh ship, Spio works me got not ran. I got

749
00:35:54,560 --> 00:35:57,239
Speaker 1: in a car and I'm like, Spielberg want to meet me.

750
00:35:57,840 --> 00:35:59,799
Speaker 1: And I was like, it's about to be some black ship.

751
00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:05,880
Speaker 1: And I got there and it was it was you know,

752
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:10,040
Speaker 1: they were talking about turning Indiana Jones maybe into um

753
00:36:10,120 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 1: maybe giving it to it or so, but like maybe

754
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:18,600
Speaker 1: like having a handoff. And I was like, you know,

755
00:36:18,719 --> 00:36:21,440
Speaker 1: I went from being mad to being like, yo, you

756
00:36:21,520 --> 00:36:25,320
Speaker 1: know what, it's still Indiana Jones. And I started being like,

757
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 1: you know what, instead of it being something I run from,

758
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 1: maybe I embraced the idea of like this, you know,

759
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,000
Speaker 1: if we can take these things and make them elevated

760
00:36:37,320 --> 00:36:39,879
Speaker 1: where they don't feel like some black ship, like you're

761
00:36:39,880 --> 00:36:42,080
Speaker 1: in the negative way, but there's some black ship what

762
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,400
Speaker 1: I'm saying. And I almost feel like I started being like,

763
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:47,360
Speaker 1: I only want those cars. I'm saying, only one of

764
00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:48,840
Speaker 1: those cars. I only want to do the stuff that like,

765
00:36:48,960 --> 00:36:50,640
Speaker 1: and how do we sort of take and elevate that

766
00:36:51,080 --> 00:36:52,759
Speaker 1: for our kids? And I'm saying, and do it in

767
00:36:52,840 --> 00:36:56,840
Speaker 1: a way where it becomes something that like, you know,

768
00:36:57,280 --> 00:37:01,000
Speaker 1: we can proprietor and proprietarly say we may that also,

769
00:37:01,040 --> 00:37:02,840
Speaker 1: you like to got to Marry on rivera like the

770
00:37:02,880 --> 00:37:05,600
Speaker 1: closer thing. I feel like when other projects are in trouble,

771
00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:07,359
Speaker 1: they also bring you in and you take it home.

772
00:37:07,520 --> 00:37:10,479
Speaker 1: It was coming to America too. I know you Richard Prior,

773
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 1: you're getting that together, like talk about that coming into

774
00:37:13,280 --> 00:37:16,719
Speaker 1: something that so prior taking the line, Prior was my

775
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,800
Speaker 1: dream project, you know what I'm saying, And and it

776
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:23,040
Speaker 1: was I see so much of myself and Prior. You

777
00:37:23,040 --> 00:37:25,560
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. My dad was abusive to my mom.

778
00:37:25,760 --> 00:37:29,600
Speaker 1: I'm saying, um, you know he had he had he

779
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,520
Speaker 1: used to chase white fame. I'm saying, trouble. You know

780
00:37:32,520 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, trouble with women. Just so much of

781
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:36,360
Speaker 1: myself I see in him. And I'm saying at the

782
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:39,600
Speaker 1: same time, Prior was the first person that was like,

783
00:37:40,160 --> 00:37:41,759
Speaker 1: you go to a Prior concert, It's like being in

784
00:37:41,760 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: an open Cary state, right, because like everybody could get shot.

785
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:47,359
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying, Everybody be co cool because

786
00:37:47,400 --> 00:37:49,920
Speaker 1: anybody he came after everybody. And so I love it

787
00:37:49,960 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 1: and like we were supposed to, Um, it was an actor.

788
00:37:52,560 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: I was gonna do it with excuse me director, and

789
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:57,399
Speaker 1: it was gonna be my directing, Like this was gonna

790
00:37:57,400 --> 00:37:59,320
Speaker 1: be the one for me, an actor who's one of

791
00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:02,160
Speaker 1: the best actors in the world. I love the script.

792
00:38:02,520 --> 00:38:05,919
Speaker 1: He's like a brother. But he was like it's it's too,

793
00:38:06,840 --> 00:38:09,440
Speaker 1: it's triggering. He was like going through sobriety and he

794
00:38:09,560 --> 00:38:11,279
Speaker 1: was like, it's triggering. I don't know if I can

795
00:38:11,680 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. He's like a method actor.

796
00:38:13,040 --> 00:38:14,040
Speaker 1: He's like, I don't know if I can do. They

797
00:38:14,040 --> 00:38:15,880
Speaker 1: didn't really like it was. I was in a depression,

798
00:38:16,360 --> 00:38:18,919
Speaker 1: and that's when the wids came up, you know, saying

799
00:38:18,920 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: I just came off every time I say I'm not

800
00:38:21,160 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: gonna do Somebody Coming to America, which is one of

801
00:38:23,680 --> 00:38:25,840
Speaker 1: you know, a classic. They came to me. I was like,

802
00:38:26,080 --> 00:38:27,000
Speaker 1: you know, do you want to do it. I'm like,

803
00:38:27,239 --> 00:38:28,879
Speaker 1: that movie doesn't need to get touched and I'm saying

804
00:38:29,480 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 1: And then I looked at it and I was like,

805
00:38:30,840 --> 00:38:33,120
Speaker 1: you know what, but I have a way in. And

806
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: I knew there had been ten fifteen scripts of people

807
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:38,040
Speaker 1: trying to do it, and I was able to sort

808
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 1: of find a way in. They got it made and

809
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:42,239
Speaker 1: it's I think it's his day. It's like the third

810
00:38:42,280 --> 00:38:45,759
Speaker 1: biggest streaming movie. And I'm whether you like it or not,

811
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,160
Speaker 1: I had my issues with it. It's the idea of

812
00:38:48,360 --> 00:38:52,080
Speaker 1: what how it resonated what I'm saying, um So I

813
00:38:52,360 --> 00:38:54,680
Speaker 1: feel like I'm getting in that lane and sort of

814
00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:57,600
Speaker 1: being being able to do those things. There was a

815
00:38:57,719 --> 00:39:00,759
Speaker 1: moment where I was like, um, and I want to

816
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:02,680
Speaker 1: have you guys, I you know, I want to want

817
00:39:02,680 --> 00:39:05,080
Speaker 1: to do my podcast that I wanted to be sort

818
00:39:05,120 --> 00:39:07,680
Speaker 1: of a writer's room set up, but I want to

819
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 1: be cause in the conversation of you know what I'm saying,

820
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 1: and I'm meaning like, you know, you may not be

821
00:39:13,000 --> 00:39:15,040
Speaker 1: might be the best, but you're in the conversation of

822
00:39:15,120 --> 00:39:17,320
Speaker 1: and I want to talk to people who might be

823
00:39:17,440 --> 00:39:20,320
Speaker 1: in the conversation of being. And I felt to myself

824
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:23,000
Speaker 1: one day like, yo, like I want to be in

825
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:25,959
Speaker 1: the conversation when it's all set and done, like maybe

826
00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:28,360
Speaker 1: I'm not the best, but I'm in the conversation of

827
00:39:28,480 --> 00:39:31,879
Speaker 1: like if I do some things, I can be people

828
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 1: can talk about when it's all set and down, like

829
00:39:34,920 --> 00:39:37,520
Speaker 1: maybe I'm talked about amongst it. And then when you

830
00:39:37,640 --> 00:39:40,600
Speaker 1: get into that conversation, I look at you guys like

831
00:39:40,680 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: there's no I told you me in earlier room, I

832
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 1: still want to do something like you take this from

833
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,840
Speaker 1: such a journalistic standpoint, you know what I'm saying. The

834
00:39:48,920 --> 00:39:52,120
Speaker 1: way that you guys approached this is not just like

835
00:39:52,760 --> 00:39:54,640
Speaker 1: I'm gonna deal wrap you, you know, because it's like

836
00:39:54,760 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 1: you know the way you approach it, it really feels

837
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:01,160
Speaker 1: like you are you're studying and study. You understand the

838
00:40:01,200 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: ebbs and flowers. You understand how to turn corners, you

839
00:40:03,680 --> 00:40:05,880
Speaker 1: understand how to sort of formulate things in a way

840
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:08,560
Speaker 1: I think a lot of kids don't really look at

841
00:40:08,600 --> 00:40:11,160
Speaker 1: and respect. And your students know what I'm saying, and

842
00:40:11,239 --> 00:40:13,680
Speaker 1: you're also teachers, and I feel like to do that.

843
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:17,839
Speaker 1: I feel like that to me is um, that's the gift.

844
00:40:17,960 --> 00:40:19,719
Speaker 1: I read that you have an I p of a

845
00:40:19,800 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 1: movie that you're turning into a show. You said that

846
00:40:22,239 --> 00:40:24,080
Speaker 1: you're really proud of, but you didn't say what it was.

847
00:40:24,600 --> 00:40:28,960
Speaker 1: Can you talk about that? Um? Truman Show? Wow? So

848
00:40:29,120 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 1: we're doing the Truman Show as a m my publicist here.

849
00:40:33,440 --> 00:40:39,600
Speaker 1: She's gonna be passed, so you might not see it,

850
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: can you know? Um? But it to me was one

851
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:48,600
Speaker 1: of the greatest ones. I'm saying that thing whatever, And

852
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:50,560
Speaker 1: we thought, what if we did it? I won't tell

853
00:40:50,560 --> 00:40:54,239
Speaker 1: any deal already, um No, but people, I would love

854
00:40:54,280 --> 00:40:56,440
Speaker 1: to do it. And there's another one you was teasing

855
00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: for a while with Jonah Hill involved and Eddie. Also

856
00:40:59,280 --> 00:41:01,239
Speaker 1: I did I just out that you can I did

857
00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,000
Speaker 1: a movie call you people, Um, it will be all

858
00:41:04,080 --> 00:41:08,160
Speaker 1: next year. It's yea. It was my feature director of debut.

859
00:41:08,200 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 1: It was brief. That's the first official director credit as

860
00:41:14,320 --> 00:41:16,920
Speaker 1: a I've done TV quite of it, but not as

861
00:41:16,960 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 1: a contor. Yeah, and it was started. It started off

862
00:41:19,600 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: like you're not supposed to start there, what I'm saying,

863
00:41:21,920 --> 00:41:23,920
Speaker 1: but they gave me because I had done some achievement

864
00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:27,400
Speaker 1: nothing but like you know, it was John Hill, Eddie Murphy,

865
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: Julie Rees Rifles, David the Company near Long Laurenland and

866
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: in London, Mike Gaps, I mean a lot of people

867
00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,000
Speaker 1: and what I'm saying like we really got to know

868
00:41:38,080 --> 00:41:41,000
Speaker 1: put our foot in it. And it was. It was

869
00:41:41,080 --> 00:41:44,520
Speaker 1: crazy because during the process and I'm really once again

870
00:41:44,640 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: something that said, we'll see from me. You know what

871
00:41:45,880 --> 00:41:48,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying, I'll show you. I love it. We do

872
00:41:48,040 --> 00:41:49,360
Speaker 1: a screen. I love you guys to see it. But

873
00:41:49,480 --> 00:41:52,120
Speaker 1: always it was one of those moments that during the

874
00:41:52,239 --> 00:41:59,600
Speaker 1: process something hit me. I think I'm the only person

875
00:41:59,680 --> 00:42:04,160
Speaker 1: of or right black person who's ever written and directed

876
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:08,000
Speaker 1: a mainstream comedy like hund A million dollar means I

877
00:42:08,040 --> 00:42:09,400
Speaker 1: don't think that. Then I was like, oh, then I

878
00:42:09,520 --> 00:42:12,160
Speaker 1: can't be right. I can't be right. And I started

879
00:42:12,560 --> 00:42:17,279
Speaker 1: like and I was like, I don't I can find

880
00:42:17,320 --> 00:42:19,799
Speaker 1: one like I loved him, like my brother. But those

881
00:42:19,800 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: are considered for us, you know what I'm saying. Those

882
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:25,000
Speaker 1: are considered black like a mainstream. I'm like, it's crazy

883
00:42:25,120 --> 00:42:28,919
Speaker 1: because they'll eat up they want to eat up Kevin

884
00:42:29,440 --> 00:42:32,040
Speaker 1: and Chris and Dave and Eddie and eat that up.

885
00:42:32,320 --> 00:42:34,200
Speaker 1: But they won't let us be in control of like

886
00:42:34,280 --> 00:42:36,719
Speaker 1: how those stories are presented back to the world. And

887
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:41,440
Speaker 1: I was like, that is a crazy stack sense a

888
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:43,680
Speaker 1: crazy thing. And I was like, so every time I

889
00:42:43,760 --> 00:42:46,440
Speaker 1: got hard, I started remembering that, like the fact that

890
00:42:46,840 --> 00:42:50,120
Speaker 1: that something something that should be so obvious. It's not happy,

891
00:42:50,680 --> 00:42:54,560
Speaker 1: it's just it is. And it's weird too though, because

892
00:42:54,600 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 1: I feel like the moments that I wanted to be like, yo,

893
00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 1: I'm out, I'm saying, I'm like, I can't because if

894
00:43:02,560 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: I do this, and it's even if I fail the

895
00:43:06,000 --> 00:43:09,120
Speaker 1: black Sea, I'm saying, like, y'all can't do it. If

896
00:43:09,200 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: I walk away, they'll say, see, but if I do it,

897
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 1: and sometimes it's even kind of accept that it opens

898
00:43:15,040 --> 00:43:18,520
Speaker 1: the door for the next person, just like Ryan did.

899
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 1: What you know what I'm saying With Panther, I'm saying

900
00:43:20,880 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 1: he's one of my heroes. He's a frame, but he's

901
00:43:22,360 --> 00:43:24,759
Speaker 1: one of my heroes. Like he They wanted him to

902
00:43:24,840 --> 00:43:29,439
Speaker 1: put door iron Man. I'm sure you guys they wanted

903
00:43:29,480 --> 00:43:31,640
Speaker 1: him to put one of those dudes in the movie,

904
00:43:32,200 --> 00:43:35,960
Speaker 1: and who refused because he knew if he did that

905
00:43:36,840 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: and it worked, then they wouldn't have said it was

906
00:43:39,680 --> 00:43:42,120
Speaker 1: Black Panther. They would have said it was an Ironman movie,

907
00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 1: or is the Thorn movie. I'm saying this movie and

908
00:43:44,280 --> 00:43:47,759
Speaker 1: it was. It broke records in sat Arabia. It's one

909
00:43:47,800 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 1: of the most successful movies of all time. And he

910
00:43:49,680 --> 00:43:52,960
Speaker 1: did that for us and for the next generation. So

911
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 1: I feel like sometimes like you have to sort of

912
00:43:55,920 --> 00:44:00,400
Speaker 1: stand your ground. Um, and you know, lucky I you know,

913
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,880
Speaker 1: I wasn't gonna start, you know what I'm saying, But

914
00:44:03,200 --> 00:44:05,280
Speaker 1: you know, hopefully it comes out on hopeface where I received,

915
00:44:05,280 --> 00:44:08,160
Speaker 1: because I do think it gives more opportunities once again.

916
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:10,160
Speaker 1: And that's some jay stuff. Jay Z, like I, he

917
00:44:10,320 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 1: keeps breaking boundaries and doing things and showing he it

918
00:44:13,600 --> 00:44:16,360
Speaker 1: really is the blueprint I'm saying of how things you know,

919
00:44:16,480 --> 00:44:19,239
Speaker 1: get done, talk about standing your ground. And you mentioned

920
00:44:19,239 --> 00:44:22,560
Speaker 1: this guy really a Shotkazoo who's manager. Um, you know

921
00:44:22,640 --> 00:44:24,800
Speaker 1: he's currently going through his legal drama. Um. And I

922
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:26,920
Speaker 1: saw a post that you dedicate to him on Instagram.

923
00:44:27,120 --> 00:44:30,359
Speaker 1: He talked about your times with Shuka and how you guys, Lady,

924
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:33,839
Speaker 1: I went to Clark and you know, from the time

925
00:44:33,920 --> 00:44:36,919
Speaker 1: I touched down, Shaka was like he was the pd

926
00:44:37,239 --> 00:44:39,680
Speaker 1: at at like the college radio station. You know what

927
00:44:39,719 --> 00:44:43,960
Speaker 1: I'm saying, Um, uh, little Chris was Chris love Lover

928
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,360
Speaker 1: on the radio. Um, you know poom was on. Like

929
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:50,120
Speaker 1: Atlanta was a different place what I'm saying, Like it

930
00:44:50,200 --> 00:44:52,560
Speaker 1: was it was a graz That time in Atlanta was

931
00:44:52,680 --> 00:44:55,600
Speaker 1: like being if you're artists being in New York in

932
00:44:55,600 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: the early eighties saying, because we had Kenny Burns and

933
00:44:59,680 --> 00:45:03,640
Speaker 1: John Hot and Choka and s Kier and Puff of

934
00:45:03,680 --> 00:45:06,399
Speaker 1: stopping through and this person and know what I'm saying,

935
00:45:06,440 --> 00:45:09,759
Speaker 1: Like it just was like a very interesting group. And um,

936
00:45:10,400 --> 00:45:12,439
Speaker 1: Chaka just was a solid dude. He was a hard

937
00:45:12,480 --> 00:45:14,680
Speaker 1: working dude. Like you know, he always was in the radio,

938
00:45:14,719 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 1: always was in the like understood business. You know what

939
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:19,480
Speaker 1: I'm saying, and was you know I didn't play the

940
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: same way everybody was playing. He took himself a lot.

941
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,000
Speaker 1: I'm serious, and so I knew before I saw any video.

942
00:45:25,719 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 1: I knew before I saw anything. Like anybody you know

943
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:32,560
Speaker 1: who talks to Shaka like it is when you come around,

944
00:45:32,640 --> 00:45:35,800
Speaker 1: he takes care of you know what I'm saying, man

945
00:45:35,880 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 1: of respect, what I'm saying, And I'm sorry that anyone

946
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:40,560
Speaker 1: lost their life at all. I'm sorry any sorry that

947
00:45:40,680 --> 00:45:44,040
Speaker 1: person's parents and family and children for sure. But I

948
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:46,840
Speaker 1: feel like we have all these people defending you know,

949
00:45:47,640 --> 00:45:49,279
Speaker 1: the you know the law and the right to carry

950
00:45:49,360 --> 00:45:51,560
Speaker 1: this and write you that, But why does that never

951
00:45:51,719 --> 00:45:54,120
Speaker 1: work for us? You know what I'm saying. You can

952
00:45:54,200 --> 00:45:55,400
Speaker 1: look at it. You know what I'm saying. This man

953
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: was pummeled. You know what I'm saying, was getting pummeled.

954
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,640
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. And get up and you

955
00:46:00,800 --> 00:46:03,120
Speaker 1: have you know a weapon is legal, and you don't

956
00:46:03,160 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 1: know what's gonna happen next. And you know what I'm saying,

957
00:46:05,800 --> 00:46:08,279
Speaker 1: you you shoot, I did your You don't know if

958
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:09,719
Speaker 1: you're if you're gonna make it out of there. You

959
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,600
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, and he was shot four times,

960
00:46:11,680 --> 00:46:14,080
Speaker 1: three or four times, and I feel like this man

961
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,960
Speaker 1: is now my father. And I'm saying a man who

962
00:46:16,960 --> 00:46:20,120
Speaker 1: has helped countless people and the same laws that everyone

963
00:46:20,200 --> 00:46:23,239
Speaker 1: else uses and Trump so you know, blatantly like well

964
00:46:23,600 --> 00:46:25,279
Speaker 1: I could go, she's riding the face. You know what

965
00:46:25,320 --> 00:46:27,560
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Well, you know I'm saying, I look at

966
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:29,200
Speaker 1: him at that seat in the court, and I feel

967
00:46:29,239 --> 00:46:31,480
Speaker 1: like that's my brother. He looks broken, you know what

968
00:46:31,480 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 1: I'm saying. Because it's not made for us. You know

969
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:36,719
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, It's not made for us. And I

970
00:46:36,840 --> 00:46:39,839
Speaker 1: feel like, you know, I love him, and I hope

971
00:46:40,000 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 1: this all sees his way clear because he is. He's

972
00:46:43,680 --> 00:46:47,239
Speaker 1: one of the good ones. And please you have some

973
00:46:47,280 --> 00:46:49,799
Speaker 1: of the questions. You know, she mentioned earlier, she kills

974
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:51,759
Speaker 1: do it from people. Man. I know Shake, You know

975
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:56,839
Speaker 1: his legacy and how he impacted you. He was one

976
00:46:56,880 --> 00:46:58,920
Speaker 1: of my best friends, if not my best friend. I'm saying.

977
00:46:58,960 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 1: It's hard because so many people like Shake was my bestman,

978
00:47:02,120 --> 00:47:05,400
Speaker 1: but like no, but he really was. He um Um

979
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:08,200
Speaker 1: tattooed with him. You know what I'm saying. We were

980
00:47:09,719 --> 00:47:13,640
Speaker 1: It was crazy. He um he had a music credit.

981
00:47:13,680 --> 00:47:16,799
Speaker 1: I co created Top Mile back in the day Banks

982
00:47:16,840 --> 00:47:20,920
Speaker 1: a little show might have heard of it. Um, and

983
00:47:21,040 --> 00:47:23,799
Speaker 1: I got Shaker, you know, music supervisor credit on there.

984
00:47:24,920 --> 00:47:27,400
Speaker 1: I hooked him up to manage Tyra. I'm saying for

985
00:47:27,440 --> 00:47:31,360
Speaker 1: a while, Um, and you know, the thing was shake

986
00:47:31,680 --> 00:47:38,640
Speaker 1: was our friendship was so special because when you know,

987
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 1: I went a lot of people do with music what

988
00:47:40,600 --> 00:47:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm saying. When I was going my route, I was

989
00:47:44,080 --> 00:47:45,319
Speaker 1: one of them. You know, I was the only dude,

990
00:47:45,320 --> 00:47:47,520
Speaker 1: and but I got you had some success, and he

991
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:51,120
Speaker 1: never needed anything from me, and I never needed anything

992
00:47:51,200 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 1: for him. And so because of that, it was a

993
00:47:53,600 --> 00:47:55,640
Speaker 1: purity in our friendship, was saying. And I think that

994
00:47:55,800 --> 00:47:58,440
Speaker 1: that was we were coming up together to like have

995
00:47:58,600 --> 00:48:01,239
Speaker 1: somebody you could talk about things that you knew wasn't

996
00:48:01,280 --> 00:48:03,439
Speaker 1: like leaning and needing something from you and he I wasn't.

997
00:48:03,719 --> 00:48:05,840
Speaker 1: That It created this amazing purity for us. And we

998
00:48:05,920 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: actually had um a place written. Two weeks from then,

999
00:48:10,200 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: we were supposed to go to Saint Barts for a

1000
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,480
Speaker 1: family I was gonna be my first, like you know, baller,

1001
00:48:15,600 --> 00:48:17,040
Speaker 1: Like I'm kind of like that was gonna be my first.

1002
00:48:17,320 --> 00:48:23,440
Speaker 1: We're taking our families there um, and you know he

1003
00:48:23,520 --> 00:48:25,640
Speaker 1: had been going through some hard times what I'm saying,

1004
00:48:25,680 --> 00:48:28,120
Speaker 1: and having struggles that I didn't really know about. He

1005
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,880
Speaker 1: was kind of hear from me, and you know I

1006
00:48:29,960 --> 00:48:31,719
Speaker 1: knew some some things are going on in his life,

1007
00:48:31,760 --> 00:48:35,680
Speaker 1: but you know it's just you know, depression and stress

1008
00:48:35,760 --> 00:48:37,600
Speaker 1: and all that stuff. It's really hard. But like he

1009
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:43,800
Speaker 1: was and he's a legend. I'm saying, like Rick Ross Jeezy,

1010
00:48:44,280 --> 00:48:46,919
Speaker 1: I remember he came into my house, know what I'm saying.

1011
00:48:46,960 --> 00:48:49,279
Speaker 1: I remember he came to my house and played let

1012
00:48:49,360 --> 00:48:51,520
Speaker 1: it Burn, what I'm saying, And we just sat in

1013
00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 1: the card we both are going through ship with our girl,

1014
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:59,000
Speaker 1: and he's like, I was just like, man, that's some

1015
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:00,759
Speaker 1: must burn. Man. You put that, you put an ending

1016
00:49:00,800 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: on Blackish. Man, please talk about you know that that

1017
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 1: journey like when you look back at it now with you,

1018
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:07,160
Speaker 1: you know obviously with your career break you. I feel

1019
00:49:07,160 --> 00:49:08,520
Speaker 1: like a lot of times I see your Instagram, You'll

1020
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:11,399
Speaker 1: be like, I can't even fully express how to change

1021
00:49:11,480 --> 00:49:16,560
Speaker 1: my life? Right and changed my life. I'm gonna say

1022
00:49:16,560 --> 00:49:20,719
Speaker 1: awfully good, but no, it changed my life. It gave

1023
00:49:20,760 --> 00:49:24,160
Speaker 1: me financially, I had gotten some success with Tom her

1024
00:49:24,239 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: Motter was the first thing that gave me, Like, you know,

1025
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:30,319
Speaker 1: as a writer, I was a p A and then

1026
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:32,400
Speaker 1: as a writer, you make good money, I'm saying, as

1027
00:49:32,400 --> 00:49:35,000
Speaker 1: a television writer. Like kids know what I'm saying, dude,

1028
00:49:35,040 --> 00:49:38,759
Speaker 1: Like you make doctor money, you know what, but you

1029
00:49:38,920 --> 00:49:41,440
Speaker 1: also are trying to live at Hollywood life. You couldn't.

1030
00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 1: Just I was making good money. My wife's a doctor,

1031
00:49:44,440 --> 00:49:48,440
Speaker 1: so we were living this life. Um. But then Blackage

1032
00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:51,560
Speaker 1: came out and um, I sold a bunch of pilots

1033
00:49:52,400 --> 00:50:03,040
Speaker 1: and it was financially um, just mindset wise, how we've

1034
00:50:03,040 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: seen in the industry all this type of stuff like

1035
00:50:05,520 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 1: came on after Modern Family and Beat My Family. I'm

1036
00:50:08,080 --> 00:50:14,120
Speaker 1: saying what I'm saying, and it was it literally everything

1037
00:50:14,160 --> 00:50:16,719
Speaker 1: in my life changed like literally overnight. And I'm saying

1038
00:50:17,000 --> 00:50:20,320
Speaker 1: and I feel like it was. You know, one of

1039
00:50:20,400 --> 00:50:22,719
Speaker 1: my story that I kind of like hits me the most,

1040
00:50:22,880 --> 00:50:26,360
Speaker 1: Like I went my family to the African American Museum

1041
00:50:26,400 --> 00:50:29,799
Speaker 1: in d C. And we're there from Easter income when

1042
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: when niggas just to get invited to the body else

1043
00:50:36,400 --> 00:50:40,719
Speaker 1: and we went and like it starts from from Africans,

1044
00:50:40,880 --> 00:50:45,080
Speaker 1: you know, imprisoned Africans stolen in prison, Africans first arrival

1045
00:50:45,080 --> 00:50:47,360
Speaker 1: in America. And it takes you up as you go

1046
00:50:47,480 --> 00:50:49,799
Speaker 1: up through you know where we are. You know, people

1047
00:50:49,800 --> 00:50:52,120
Speaker 1: are crying and you're seeing this ship. When we get

1048
00:50:52,160 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: to the top floor, there is a television set and

1049
00:50:56,160 --> 00:51:00,040
Speaker 1: it's playing black Is and my family I was I

1050
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:02,920
Speaker 1: just started crying what I'm saying, and I just was like,

1051
00:51:03,520 --> 00:51:08,600
Speaker 1: this is just unbelievable what I'm saying, Like it's unbelievable that,

1052
00:51:09,520 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 1: like this is my life what I'm saying, because this

1053
00:51:11,440 --> 00:51:13,279
Speaker 1: is not it couldn't have couldn't have called it. I

1054
00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,759
Speaker 1: couldn't know what was going on. I was sad that

1055
00:51:15,840 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: Shaike wasn't here to celebrate it with me. I'm saying, Um,

1056
00:51:20,560 --> 00:51:23,160
Speaker 1: you know it was. I think that it had, you know,

1057
00:51:23,239 --> 00:51:26,440
Speaker 1: tremendous effects. I think I think it damaged my marriage.

1058
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:28,520
Speaker 1: I think it damaged a lot of my friendships. You

1059
00:51:28,560 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 1: could damage a lot of different things. I think it

1060
00:51:30,280 --> 00:51:32,520
Speaker 1: also helped a lot of different things. Like you know,

1061
00:51:32,640 --> 00:51:35,600
Speaker 1: it's it was. You know, we've all had those moments,

1062
00:51:35,640 --> 00:51:37,880
Speaker 1: but like it's a really all of this ship for

1063
00:51:37,960 --> 00:51:40,320
Speaker 1: us is first generation. You know what I'm saying, Like

1064
00:51:40,400 --> 00:51:42,880
Speaker 1: there's no like, we don't have no blueprint before we

1065
00:51:42,920 --> 00:51:44,759
Speaker 1: were on the Mayflower, you know what I'm saying. So

1066
00:51:44,920 --> 00:51:47,239
Speaker 1: how to handle it, the effect of it, all that

1067
00:51:47,280 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: type of stuff. But it was you know, I got

1068
00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,600
Speaker 1: to watch that with my kids and I can never

1069
00:51:52,719 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 1: get taken from me. Every you know, Wednesday, we would

1070
00:51:55,000 --> 00:51:57,239
Speaker 1: sit and watch it. Remember one of the episodes that

1071
00:51:57,280 --> 00:52:00,760
Speaker 1: affected me the most is um my older son Pops.

1072
00:52:01,040 --> 00:52:05,360
Speaker 1: It was like nine eight nine and Jack who he

1073
00:52:05,480 --> 00:52:07,279
Speaker 1: you know, he says, like Jack is based on him,

1074
00:52:07,640 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: mot is some pops um. But Jack Hauld lied I

1075
00:52:11,040 --> 00:52:13,080
Speaker 1: was supposed to get a whooping bow has said when

1076
00:52:13,120 --> 00:52:15,239
Speaker 1: when your father comes on, he's gonna beat your guys, right,

1077
00:52:15,800 --> 00:52:19,000
Speaker 1: And so he comes in like into the room to

1078
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:22,480
Speaker 1: get a spank and he has like seven jackets Ons

1079
00:52:22,520 --> 00:52:25,160
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and it's that classic you know. Dre's like,

1080
00:52:25,239 --> 00:52:28,040
Speaker 1: you know, I'm I'm just disappointed you And that was

1081
00:52:28,160 --> 00:52:30,480
Speaker 1: worse than the spanking. And he like walks out, and

1082
00:52:30,560 --> 00:52:33,239
Speaker 1: my son, who've been sitting there watually gets up and

1083
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:39,920
Speaker 1: he goes, that was a close one. And I was lying, No,

1084
00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:42,000
Speaker 1: one can never take this from me, you know what

1085
00:52:42,000 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I got to grow up. You got to

1086
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:46,560
Speaker 1: do this show with my family and they got to

1087
00:52:46,600 --> 00:52:49,840
Speaker 1: see themselves grow up, and so it was, you know,

1088
00:52:50,000 --> 00:52:52,399
Speaker 1: it was that part of like just so many things

1089
00:52:52,480 --> 00:52:55,479
Speaker 1: I just never in years would have imagine could become

1090
00:52:55,480 --> 00:52:57,960
Speaker 1: my life and like that big in particular those moments

1091
00:52:58,440 --> 00:53:01,239
Speaker 1: and what black Ish did, you know, the things we

1092
00:53:01,280 --> 00:53:03,759
Speaker 1: were able to talk about. What I'm saying. So many

1093
00:53:03,760 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: of my friends were like, I didn't know that I'm

1094
00:53:05,520 --> 00:53:08,400
Speaker 1: saying one of the biggest, you know, moments, like you know,

1095
00:53:08,520 --> 00:53:11,000
Speaker 1: a super moment. Like I was in the writer's room

1096
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,680
Speaker 1: with Jonathan Roth, who was my partner, right dude, and

1097
00:53:13,719 --> 00:53:15,040
Speaker 1: I was like, y'all be right back when I gotta

1098
00:53:15,040 --> 00:53:16,480
Speaker 1: go to haircut, be late, And He's like, did you

1099
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:19,480
Speaker 1: just get your haircut last week? I was like, yeah, Jonathan,

1100
00:53:19,520 --> 00:53:22,799
Speaker 1: I get my hair cut every week. Stay so short.

1101
00:53:23,440 --> 00:53:25,600
Speaker 1: I was like, did you not know my hair He

1102
00:53:25,680 --> 00:53:28,799
Speaker 1: was like I could tell. I think it didn't right,

1103
00:53:28,920 --> 00:53:30,600
Speaker 1: And I was like, how did you get your hair cut?

1104
00:53:30,719 --> 00:53:32,759
Speaker 1: He was like, I don't know, every two or three months.

1105
00:53:32,760 --> 00:53:36,840
Speaker 1: I said every two or three months. Yeah. I was

1106
00:53:36,920 --> 00:53:40,279
Speaker 1: like what I'm saying, And I realized these are two

1107
00:53:41,239 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: different and be sitting next to each other, and we

1108
00:53:43,800 --> 00:53:46,920
Speaker 1: never had that conversation, and so that conversation turned into

1109
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:48,560
Speaker 1: a room conversation. But I think the room is so

1110
00:53:48,640 --> 00:53:51,839
Speaker 1: important and we started identifying the way I never thought.

1111
00:53:51,920 --> 00:53:54,960
Speaker 1: But that's why the barbershop for us, it's so important

1112
00:53:55,000 --> 00:53:58,120
Speaker 1: because a lot of times it's a single, single moms, right,

1113
00:53:59,000 --> 00:54:01,080
Speaker 1: I'm saying, a lot of times, like you know you're dusty,

1114
00:54:01,480 --> 00:54:04,000
Speaker 1: here's a place where there's a where there's a man,

1115
00:54:04,840 --> 00:54:08,160
Speaker 1: what a job working, Gonna be there when you need him.

1116
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,920
Speaker 1: Makes you feel better about yourself when you when you cut,

1117
00:54:11,000 --> 00:54:13,160
Speaker 1: when you leave them, when you came out there, you

1118
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:15,680
Speaker 1: soak up game from the neighborhood that you never hear.

1119
00:54:16,280 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 1: And it's this, it's this part of our culture that like,

1120
00:54:20,080 --> 00:54:22,200
Speaker 1: that's why it's so important. And I'm saying, our hair

1121
00:54:22,280 --> 00:54:25,000
Speaker 1: in a big way was a big differentiator between us

1122
00:54:25,040 --> 00:54:26,960
Speaker 1: and the rest of the world. You know what I'm saying.

1123
00:54:27,000 --> 00:54:29,239
Speaker 1: We've had hair issues or whatever, and I was like,

1124
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:30,960
Speaker 1: this is something to talk about and to be able

1125
00:54:30,960 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: to have a show that we can talk about that.

1126
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 1: And so I had so many of my white friends,

1127
00:54:35,440 --> 00:54:36,880
Speaker 1: like I never thought about that. I had some of

1128
00:54:36,880 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: my black friends, never to say, like, I never thought

1129
00:54:38,600 --> 00:54:40,759
Speaker 1: about it in aspect, and so to be able to

1130
00:54:40,840 --> 00:54:43,400
Speaker 1: have something that could almost ask serve as like a

1131
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:47,239
Speaker 1: cultural time capsule and what I'm saying for us to

1132
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: sort of talk about things. And you know, I got

1133
00:54:49,600 --> 00:54:52,160
Speaker 1: a lot of criticism not writing for white people. I'm like, no,

1134
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:55,000
Speaker 1: I'm not writing for everybody. But I don't need to

1135
00:54:55,640 --> 00:54:58,080
Speaker 1: explain it to us. We got it, you know what

1136
00:54:58,080 --> 00:55:01,279
Speaker 1: I'm saying. I need to sort of show them and

1137
00:55:01,400 --> 00:55:04,200
Speaker 1: you give them the humanity that they have taken from us.

1138
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:06,239
Speaker 1: And then to say, just let them know that we

1139
00:55:06,400 --> 00:55:09,160
Speaker 1: live and breathe and love our kids and our family

1140
00:55:09,200 --> 00:55:11,560
Speaker 1: and have things that just like you doing. So having

1141
00:55:11,680 --> 00:55:14,000
Speaker 1: that vehicle, you know what I'm saying, it was amazing.

1142
00:55:14,200 --> 00:55:15,680
Speaker 1: You have to be super proud of the young lady

1143
00:55:15,719 --> 00:55:20,080
Speaker 1: that's on the show. She's directed. Now, it's crazy. It's crazy.

1144
00:55:20,080 --> 00:55:23,200
Speaker 1: I was saying, Mark Yard is going to be president,

1145
00:55:23,320 --> 00:55:26,520
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And Marseille is you know, I think

1146
00:55:26,560 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 1: she was the youngest ep in history. Marseille Um. The

1147
00:55:31,000 --> 00:55:34,120
Speaker 1: first episode of Black Is, she did some we had

1148
00:55:35,520 --> 00:55:38,000
Speaker 1: the hair department wrapped her hair when she's going to bed, right,

1149
00:55:38,320 --> 00:55:43,279
Speaker 1: just something normal next week it was letters emost powered everywhere, right,

1150
00:55:43,280 --> 00:55:46,239
Speaker 1: And I'm like, people were like, I never saw that.

1151
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:49,680
Speaker 1: I never saw myself. We do. And I realized there

1152
00:55:49,760 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 1: had not been a show there have been like that.

1153
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: We hadn't. That's how a few opportunities. People didn't know

1154
00:55:54,200 --> 00:55:57,200
Speaker 1: that something was so common for us. We hadn't just

1155
00:55:57,280 --> 00:55:59,919
Speaker 1: shown some of the minutihaw of just all everyday life

1156
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,759
Speaker 1: and people don't understand. So like, I just looked at

1157
00:56:02,800 --> 00:56:05,520
Speaker 1: that opportunity that I was given and said, we need

1158
00:56:05,719 --> 00:56:07,160
Speaker 1: more of these, and we need to make sure that

1159
00:56:07,320 --> 00:56:11,040
Speaker 1: we get these opportunities. We really put our time into

1160
00:56:11,120 --> 00:56:12,680
Speaker 1: it in a way that's sort of it kind of

1161
00:56:12,760 --> 00:56:15,040
Speaker 1: fact the world. And you definitely get into the music

1162
00:56:15,120 --> 00:56:20,000
Speaker 1: game as well with collaboral music. I'm trying you balking

1163
00:56:20,040 --> 00:56:27,840
Speaker 1: on Steve Burman telling me, I love I love Go Go,

1164
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:32,239
Speaker 1: I love Rocko. Um, the music industry is. I don't

1165
00:56:32,239 --> 00:56:37,640
Speaker 1: know how y'all survived barely. It's a it's a different

1166
00:56:37,840 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: it's different. It's a different thest Man because it's it's

1167
00:56:42,080 --> 00:56:44,880
Speaker 1: it's bottom feeders. I'm saying, you have a couple of

1168
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:48,200
Speaker 1: people who have talent, and you have hundreds of people

1169
00:56:48,239 --> 00:56:51,640
Speaker 1: around them who are just feeding off of those. Couple

1170
00:56:51,680 --> 00:56:55,040
Speaker 1: of people know what I'm saying and sign accident maybe

1171
00:56:55,120 --> 00:56:59,120
Speaker 1: one or two. Yeah, it is a It's an industry

1172
00:56:59,239 --> 00:57:02,359
Speaker 1: that is really really, really really hard coming from where

1173
00:57:02,360 --> 00:57:05,640
Speaker 1: I'm coming from to navigate. I love music what I'm saying,

1174
00:57:05,680 --> 00:57:08,640
Speaker 1: and the gold Plant who runs my label is amazing

1175
00:57:08,880 --> 00:57:10,920
Speaker 1: and gets it and sort of talks me through. But

1176
00:57:11,080 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: I don't know how y'all music journalism those are two

1177
00:57:15,960 --> 00:57:19,520
Speaker 1: almost sucking words and fight against each other. Um, So

1178
00:57:19,600 --> 00:57:22,200
Speaker 1: it's interesting. What's what's going on with the podcast? I

1179
00:57:22,400 --> 00:57:25,760
Speaker 1: used something drama for that. I mean drama are doing one? Um,

1180
00:57:26,400 --> 00:57:28,600
Speaker 1: uh we're gonna do Uh. That's a light stame. Butther

1181
00:57:28,600 --> 00:57:35,480
Speaker 1: you get business with anyone to Clark and he is,

1182
00:57:35,600 --> 00:57:39,040
Speaker 1: you know, people forget like drama, like almost like on

1183
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:43,040
Speaker 1: a largely almost created the mixtape, you know what I'm saying. Um,

1184
00:57:43,240 --> 00:57:46,720
Speaker 1: and like said reinvented. I'm saying that in a big

1185
00:57:46,840 --> 00:57:51,040
Speaker 1: revolutionized and you know it's it's mixed. It's gangster grills,

1186
00:57:51,120 --> 00:57:53,440
Speaker 1: next to generation now and just like the idea of

1187
00:57:53,640 --> 00:57:57,360
Speaker 1: like his history and also talking about what where music

1188
00:57:57,520 --> 00:58:00,520
Speaker 1: is going. Um, and I think the podcast it's as

1189
00:58:00,560 --> 00:58:03,360
Speaker 1: you know, it's the fastest growing for formulas, and I

1190
00:58:03,440 --> 00:58:06,280
Speaker 1: feel like it is, um, I want to do something

1191
00:58:06,400 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 1: with you guys. I definitely totally you know, I feel

1192
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:16,160
Speaker 1: like I want to take and you know, taken and

1193
00:58:16,880 --> 00:58:21,600
Speaker 1: elevated and do what's the Oprah Winfrey version of like

1194
00:58:21,760 --> 00:58:23,920
Speaker 1: how do we from the highest level of be tuna

1195
00:58:24,560 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: do and sonically, you know, show what music is from

1196
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:31,680
Speaker 1: the inside out. You know, I'm saying I would love

1197
00:58:31,720 --> 00:58:37,280
Speaker 1: to by the Drake interview. When y'all did that Drake interview.

1198
00:58:37,320 --> 00:58:39,160
Speaker 1: You know, I'm saying it's crazy because I'm a huge

1199
00:58:39,200 --> 00:58:44,080
Speaker 1: Drake fan, but like it's there's whole fucking remember big ghosts,

1200
00:58:44,200 --> 00:58:47,400
Speaker 1: big ghost chronicles, like he just had a whole like

1201
00:58:48,200 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 1: when Drake raps bubbles come out to speaker, Like I

1202
00:58:52,960 --> 00:58:55,000
Speaker 1: was like, this is yes what I'm saying. I'm like,

1203
00:58:55,080 --> 00:58:58,200
Speaker 1: he gets so much hate to be so how can

1204
00:58:58,320 --> 00:59:00,920
Speaker 1: somebody be that great? You know what I'm saying. And

1205
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:04,400
Speaker 1: like what you guys did in that interview is you humanized?

1206
00:59:04,920 --> 00:59:07,480
Speaker 1: And I'm saying you spoke to him and like I think,

1207
00:59:07,520 --> 00:59:10,920
Speaker 1: you know it's I think of some some aspects, it's

1208
00:59:10,960 --> 00:59:13,480
Speaker 1: the same thing Kobe got in some aspects, right, because

1209
00:59:13,560 --> 00:59:16,320
Speaker 1: Kobe is not American kid. You know what I'm saying,

1210
00:59:16,400 --> 00:59:18,800
Speaker 1: Kobe is a really an Italian kid, what I'm saying,

1211
00:59:18,920 --> 00:59:21,520
Speaker 1: And like I think Drake's a Canadian. I'm saying a

1212
00:59:21,600 --> 00:59:23,960
Speaker 1: lot of times, the things that people may sort of

1213
00:59:24,040 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: feel about him, or the ways that he may come off,

1214
00:59:25,920 --> 00:59:28,960
Speaker 1: I think he didn't grow up in the same scenarios

1215
00:59:29,000 --> 00:59:31,160
Speaker 1: and situations and culture the same thing. And I feel

1216
00:59:31,200 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: like the talent in the brilliance is undeniable, but I

1217
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,800
Speaker 1: think sometimes, you know, the way he presents may not

1218
00:59:38,080 --> 00:59:41,560
Speaker 1: be um something that everybody you know, it's easy to

1219
00:59:41,640 --> 00:59:44,160
Speaker 1: sort of like, it's easy to be like this dude

1220
00:59:44,560 --> 00:59:49,720
Speaker 1: teams when he starts doing things, I'm like, you know

1221
00:59:49,720 --> 00:59:52,600
Speaker 1: what I'm saying. I'm like, I think it just keeps winning.

1222
00:59:53,000 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: What I'm saying. And what you guys did is you

1223
00:59:55,760 --> 00:59:59,440
Speaker 1: showed me and you got him talking. You saw his brilliance,

1224
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: you saw his heart, you saw a little bit of

1225
01:00:02,880 --> 01:00:04,880
Speaker 1: who he is. What I'm saying. My joke to you

1226
01:00:05,000 --> 01:00:08,160
Speaker 1: was like he was like I'm a little park and

1227
01:00:08,240 --> 01:00:10,240
Speaker 1: almost like maybe you know, I was like, you easy

1228
01:00:10,280 --> 01:00:12,080
Speaker 1: to hate that guy. You know what I'm saying. At

1229
01:00:12,120 --> 01:00:14,880
Speaker 1: the same time, you realize every time he does an

1230
01:00:15,800 --> 01:00:19,320
Speaker 1: he's funny, it's fuck. I'm saying, he's smart, he has

1231
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:22,960
Speaker 1: a reason behind the madness and whatever gis. Maybe so

1232
01:00:23,000 --> 01:00:27,120
Speaker 1: I think that that was an example of how important

1233
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:29,720
Speaker 1: what you do is. It allows, it gives people are

1234
01:00:29,800 --> 01:00:33,280
Speaker 1: really a fuller, more robust look at people who they

1235
01:00:33,520 --> 01:00:36,800
Speaker 1: oftentimes get a flat image of. I'm saying that interview

1236
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:38,800
Speaker 1: for me was everything he's saying right here, this is

1237
01:00:38,800 --> 01:00:40,840
Speaker 1: your best interview of all time. I mean, it's crazy,

1238
01:00:42,200 --> 01:00:43,840
Speaker 1: but you got me, but you got me talking. And

1239
01:00:43,960 --> 01:00:46,880
Speaker 1: just in general, y'all, I'm saying, the way you present

1240
01:00:47,000 --> 01:00:49,040
Speaker 1: and what you do, I feel like it's it doesn't

1241
01:00:49,040 --> 01:00:52,040
Speaker 1: feel like it's soft softball ship. I'm saying, it really

1242
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,680
Speaker 1: feels like it's you're going after it. Um. I just

1243
01:00:54,760 --> 01:00:56,920
Speaker 1: want you all to keep doing you know what you do.

1244
01:00:57,120 --> 01:00:58,560
Speaker 1: I wont know if you're gonna keep doing it, because

1245
01:00:58,560 --> 01:01:02,760
Speaker 1: I've read that you know you and I read that

1246
01:01:02,840 --> 01:01:04,520
Speaker 1: at fifty you kind of want to hang it up,

1247
01:01:04,600 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 1: be done really, at least at least in the time.

1248
01:01:07,320 --> 01:01:10,760
Speaker 1: I want to get through with des and I want

1249
01:01:10,800 --> 01:01:14,800
Speaker 1: to hopefully get prior to done. What I'm saying, um,

1250
01:01:15,800 --> 01:01:18,760
Speaker 1: and at that point, I would love to like make

1251
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:22,200
Speaker 1: it where I am if I'm writing. So I'm writing

1252
01:01:22,320 --> 01:01:24,280
Speaker 1: one thing at a time, but I'm really more so

1253
01:01:24,440 --> 01:01:28,000
Speaker 1: helping other people, not for free, you know what I'm saying.

1254
01:01:29,880 --> 01:01:32,360
Speaker 1: But I really feel like I've learned enough now where

1255
01:01:32,360 --> 01:01:35,480
Speaker 1: I think I can really get other people ship off

1256
01:01:35,520 --> 01:01:38,480
Speaker 1: the ground. What I'm saying, joke about it. Yeah, like

1257
01:01:38,600 --> 01:01:40,480
Speaker 1: we joked the Quincy Jones years. You gotta look forward

1258
01:01:40,480 --> 01:01:43,080
Speaker 1: to your Quincy years. How you're moving at that pretty

1259
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Speaker 1: your life. Your wife is amazing. Here's wife's helping me

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Speaker 1: with my book, and the way she is able to

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Speaker 1: see the world and she's been through so many different things.

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Speaker 1: I feel like she thought that's that's exactly I said,

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Speaker 1: you got a good one, man. But the way she's

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Speaker 1: able to see the world and conceptualize them back what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, I feel like it's scary and I feel like,

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Speaker 1: but that's what we need. I was just talking about

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Speaker 1: the breakfast cup. We need each other, you know what

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, Like it's that old you know, we're stronger together,

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Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying, Like we're finding the place

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Speaker 1: like we need each other and we gotta The one

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Speaker 1: thing I've realized is that the more success I've gotten,

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Speaker 1: the more enemies I've gotten, even if I didn't want them,

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Speaker 1: because people feel like I'm a gatekeeper and I'm really not.

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Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. It might look like you

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Speaker 1: know what I'm saying, but I'm still and I feel

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Speaker 1: like sometimes people feel like, you know, you owe than this,

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Speaker 1: older than that. I'm like, man, I can you know

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, if you put me in the position, I

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Speaker 1: can help put you in the position. But I I

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Speaker 1: can't just make it happen. But there's a few of

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Speaker 1: us where we can together make it happen, you know

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying. And I feel like I was I

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Speaker 1: really want to put together like a conference. I'm saying,

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Speaker 1: we come together the people who don't necessarily need I'm

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Speaker 1: saying anything from each other other than the community, but

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Speaker 1: like let's get together and like let's really start making moves.

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Speaker 1: Jay Brown, who I really respect what I'm saying. What

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Speaker 1: I'm saying, and you know his thing is like legacy

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Speaker 1: what I'm saying, and like I've seen the legacy that

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Speaker 1: they're putting together, and I think it's big enough for

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Speaker 1: all of us, but we all have to bring something

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Speaker 1: to the table. Well, you're gonna keep unning to the table, man.

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Speaker 1: It felt great, Yeah yeah. Rapp rator Is Interval Presents

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Speaker 1: original production from Hyperhouse, produced by Laura Wasser, Hosts and

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Speaker 1: producers Elliott Wilson and Brian b. Dot Miller from Interval

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Speaker 1: Presents executive producers Alan Coy and Jake Kleinberg, Executive producer

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Speaker 1: Paul Rosenberg, editing his sound design by Dylan Alexander Freeman.

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Speaker 1: Special thanks to Charlie Jenkins, Tammy Kim, and Jasmine Sanchez,

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Speaker 1: Operations Lead Sarah You, Business Development Lead Chef e Allen Swag,

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