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Speaker 1: I should open up by saying, hello the Internet, and

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Speaker 1: welcome to this special episode up uh well, rang out

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Speaker 1: thanks to the good people of Mosla. Typically we uh

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Speaker 1: You know, I keep hearing about it from you in

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Speaker 1: um some countervailing like health benefits that all these people

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Speaker 1: and I was just like talking to the cameraman about

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Speaker 1: like the trees and the way they like just like

429
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Speaker 1: kind of look like they're like water springs just spring

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Speaker 1: up from the earth, but they're green. And he was like, yo,

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Speaker 1: what everything alright? Well, dude, the hummingbird is fine us overhead, Yeah,

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Speaker 1: they're big fans. Well there's a drone over there? You

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Speaker 1: see that is there? Really? Yeah, it's just sorry. There

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Speaker 1: this record outside again, not in our sterile controlled environments

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Speaker 1: of a studio. That is increasingly something you see in

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Speaker 1: nature is drones. Yeah, people like filming videos or whatever,

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Speaker 1: and which is kind of unnerving, but that's a whole

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Speaker 1: other podcasting. Um, that's why you need to train your falcon.

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Speaker 1: That's like level ten. Being out in nature is training

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Speaker 1: your falcon. Uh takedown drones. Yeah, I would love to

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Speaker 1: be at a point where I could like put my

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Speaker 1: arm out in a bird comes, but look, baby steps first,

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna just check my email outside a little bit

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Speaker 1: more and I'll work my way up King of the hummingbirds. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I also feel like there's a couple of things on

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Speaker 1: like mental health. One that I think I had the

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Speaker 1: misconception that like I was depressed or I wasn't depressed.

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Speaker 1: And yeah, like you were saying, like just these little

449
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Speaker 1: five increments, everything is on a spectrum like seasonal effective disorder,

450
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Speaker 1: like either have it or I don't. It's like no,

451
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Speaker 1: like you you might have like of it, and like

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Speaker 1: five percent more time spent in nature can can help.

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Speaker 1: So I don't know. I think I tend to like

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Speaker 1: pathologize things that are going on with me, uh internally,

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Speaker 1: and I I feel like it's been beneficial for me

456
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Speaker 1: to just be like, no, we're you know, we're all

457
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Speaker 1: dealing with a lot of stuff and just absolutely every

458
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Speaker 1: single human being alive right now is going through a

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Speaker 1: version of existence that is at its absolute most hectic

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Speaker 1: and then adding like new places. So there's a thing

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Speaker 1: like I remember doing research into how like our mind

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Speaker 1: works reading David Eagleman. I think it was. But there

463
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Speaker 1: was also like some research I did for a Cracked

464
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Speaker 1: article at one point about how wherever you are, your

465
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Speaker 1: brain is like creating a map of your environment just

466
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Speaker 1: because like that's a survival mechanism that wants to know,

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Speaker 1: like Okay, these are the exits and like place places

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Speaker 1: are run. But have you ever noticed, like if you

469
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Speaker 1: were like that. There was a point where I was

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Speaker 1: parking the same parking garage every day for like five months,

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Speaker 1: and like two months in when I would come out

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Speaker 1: of work at the end of the day, I had

473
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Speaker 1: no idea where my car was parked because it was

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Speaker 1: just like identical, like similar memories all being put into

475
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Speaker 1: a bank, and it was just like my brain was

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Speaker 1: just going back to whatever that model was that I

477
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Speaker 1: had built. UM, And I don't know, it feels like

478
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Speaker 1: there's something healthy about just making your brain make new models.

479
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Speaker 1: I know that like when I go somewhere, when I travel,

480
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Speaker 1: like my first night of sleep, I have the wildest

481
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Speaker 1: dream because my brain it like something different in my

482
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Speaker 1: brain that is, you know, now operating. UM. There's this

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Speaker 1: travel writer Paul throw who wrote, what draws me into

484
00:27:56,920 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: a trip is a leap into the dark. You set

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Speaker 1: out from home and in the classic travel book, you

486
00:28:02,000 --> 00:28:04,280
Speaker 1: go to an unknown place, you discover a different world,

487
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Speaker 1: and you can discover yourself. Really like the idea of

488
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Speaker 1: like a leap into the dark, because every every part

489
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Speaker 1: of the world that we haven't been to is like

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00:28:13,600 --> 00:28:17,840
Speaker 1: this dark uncharted territories. Right, It's like playing a like

491
00:28:17,960 --> 00:28:20,920
Speaker 1: playing Civilization that video game where like the maps all

492
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Speaker 1: blacked out until you move your character and like reveal

493
00:28:23,720 --> 00:28:26,359
Speaker 1: more of it. Yeah, exactly, knocking stuff over because I'm

494
00:28:26,400 --> 00:28:32,280
Speaker 1: so energized from being honest. Look at these bees. No,

495
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,760
Speaker 1: you also might hear crows. I have noticed that. Um,

496
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Speaker 1: I tend to be followed around by a murder of pros.

497
00:28:44,600 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 1: Sounds cool, um, but that is I think, objectively cool

498
00:28:49,400 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 1: unless they're like harassing. Though, yeah they're not harassing me.

499
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Speaker 1: I do feel like other birds are scared of crows. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: well you know they're really smart, but so shout out

501
00:28:58,760 --> 00:29:02,920
Speaker 1: the crows. Shout out the crow. The movie obviously, big fans, Well,

502
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Speaker 1: I mean I think I think we hit that. I

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Speaker 1: think I think we made the points I wanted to

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Speaker 1: make anything else you wanted to know, I mean again

505
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Speaker 1: and and as many ways as possible. I think we

506
00:29:14,680 --> 00:29:16,840
Speaker 1: just keep wanting to say the same thing, whether it's

507
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Speaker 1: here on the show, which is like always remember you know,

508
00:29:20,200 --> 00:29:23,040
Speaker 1: no matter what's happening out there, what you know, what

509
00:29:23,080 --> 00:29:27,520
Speaker 1: we see, especially in our screen dominated world, there's an

510
00:29:27,560 --> 00:29:33,800
Speaker 1: actual human natural world out there that has untold benefits. Um.

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Speaker 1: And I know, like we and again, like we talked

512
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Speaker 1: about how easy it is to be dismissive of it

513
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Speaker 1: and almost be shocked when we hear the most simple

514
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Speaker 1: things like this is this is a path to feeling better.

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Speaker 1: This is just something to consider when we think of

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Speaker 1: our very you know, uh indoor lives or just not

517
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Speaker 1: considering that, Like there's a dimension of us as humans

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Speaker 1: that responds to nature, and like we have to kind

519
00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:00,440
Speaker 1: of honor that. Yeah. Absolutely, I feel like they my

520
00:30:00,520 --> 00:30:03,240
Speaker 1: conscious mind and like the part of my mind that

521
00:30:03,320 --> 00:30:06,440
Speaker 1: like puts everything in the language can talk myself out

522
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Speaker 1: of like you know the importance of going and spending

523
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Speaker 1: time in nature. Um. But I I am going to

524
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Speaker 1: make a considered effort to just like keep that as

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Speaker 1: um something like an important value and in my life,

526
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Speaker 1: my family's life, starting after I just like hit one

527
00:30:24,680 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: thousand followers on Twitter. Um so if everybody could just

528
00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:32,280
Speaker 1: like like and subscribe and uh follow me on Twitter.

529
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:36,040
Speaker 1: I would really help with my ability to move on

530
00:30:36,360 --> 00:30:41,920
Speaker 1: and get into nature. Um behind you Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's like a It's like a shower for the soul exactly.

532
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Speaker 1: And you know it's funny. In Japan they actually call

533
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Speaker 1: it forest bathing. It translates to forest bathing to go

534
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Speaker 1: out into nature, because every human being since time immemorial

535
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Speaker 1: knows it's good to be in nature. So we hope

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Speaker 1: you take those things and the lessons to find ways

537
00:31:01,720 --> 00:31:04,240
Speaker 1: to apply and try it out. I know I'm chronically

538
00:31:04,280 --> 00:31:08,720
Speaker 1: an indoor cat type person, but as I allow myself

539
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:10,880
Speaker 1: to let the sun's raise hit me more and just

540
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:14,560
Speaker 1: be immersed in nature more, I'm telling you the feedback

541
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Speaker 1: loop is very positive. And I wonder if our microphones

542
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Speaker 1: are picking up that extremely aggressive woodpeck. Oh yeah, yeah,

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00:31:22,400 --> 00:31:25,080
Speaker 1: it's been it was off. It just got finished with

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Speaker 1: this union fifteen, so I got back to wood all right. Like, gang,

545
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Speaker 1: have a great weekend, um or you know the break

546
00:31:36,120 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: from the daily zy guys, Well, we have a long weekend.

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Speaker 1: Go take a forest bath if you are able, and uh,

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Speaker 1: we'll see all. I'm onday by that never look le