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Speaker 1: to three. I think are kind of big stories in sports. UM.

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Speaker 1: believe in Italy. Yeah. So the plan was, you know,

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Speaker 1: I was gonna I was gonna start my my preational

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Speaker 1: career as as a coach. You know, my dad was

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Speaker 1: a college coach for fifteen years before we got into

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Speaker 1: the NBA, and so I wanted to get you know,

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Speaker 1: kind of get my feet wet coaching and probably eventually

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Speaker 1: get into the front office scouting around. So my first

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Speaker 1: job was with a sports agency, Wasserman Media Group. My

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Speaker 1: my uncle had worked with Aren't tell Hum. Aren't Telum

434
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Speaker 1: had been Donald stern Sterling legal counsel when they're the

435
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Speaker 1: San Diego Clippers back in the early eighties, and my

436
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Speaker 1: uncle was an assistant coach and eventually been became their

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Speaker 1: director of player of personnel, essentially served as like their

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Speaker 1: their general manager. So we went way back with arn

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Speaker 1: and so my job there, um, you know, it was

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Speaker 1: not you know, the plan was not to be an agent.

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Speaker 1: You know, I was doing most of my stuff on

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Speaker 1: the floor, training their their pre draft rookies. And so

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Speaker 1: from there, I took a job in Italy as an

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Speaker 1: assistant coach, uh and you know it was a little homesick,

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Speaker 1: and I mean I loved it in Italy, but UH

446
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Speaker 1: kind of got turned off by coaching. UH. And I

447
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Speaker 1: got an opportunity to to be sort of a junior

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Speaker 1: agent with Excel Sports Management, which at the time, uh,

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Speaker 1: they were based in l A. Uh that they're now

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Speaker 1: in New York. But uh H longstor sorry. I took

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Speaker 1: the job with Excel Sports Management and bounced around from

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Speaker 1: agency the agency and um, and ended up becoming my

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Speaker 1: own agent and having my own agency and did that

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Speaker 1: for ten years and UM got just you know, that's

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Speaker 1: why it's only the last last few years since the

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Speaker 1: FBI investigations come out and UM, you know, all these

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Speaker 1: things are kind of coming to light, and it's all

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Speaker 1: stuff that I kind of been you know, bitching and

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Speaker 1: moaning about to my wife and my friends, and UM,

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Speaker 1: you know, it made a little easier for everybody to

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Speaker 1: accept me be getting out. So you start your own

462
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Speaker 1: media shop, and I like it Babcock hoops and you

463
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Speaker 1: know you've got a lot of people breaking down stuff

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Speaker 1: on there. So let's get to the draft. Um. I

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Speaker 1: don't like to look ahead too much, but it seems

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Speaker 1: like the draft is considerably better than this one. I

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Speaker 1: don't know, how would you describe this? This draft like unappealing?

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Speaker 1: Uh okay, it just doesn't pop as like, man, I

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Speaker 1: think there's a franchise player for sure in this draft.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's five six guys at the top that

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Speaker 1: I really like, but there's so much parody and I

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Speaker 1: just think it's kind of throwing everybody a loop a

473
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Speaker 1: little bit, right. You know, everybody's used to sort of

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Speaker 1: gravitating towards like one or two guys of like, you know,

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Speaker 1: these are gonna be the saviors of a franchise. I

476
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Speaker 1: don't think we have that this year, and so it's

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Speaker 1: kind of created a lot of negative commentary. I think

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Speaker 1: it's a pretty good draft. It's just not not superstar heavy.

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Speaker 1: A couple of guys that I think that you've got

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Speaker 1: the upside to be stars. But I do like the depth.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I think, uh, I think there's gonna be

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Speaker 1: some guys going the mid light second round that they

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Speaker 1: could crack crack some rotations and maybe some undrafted guys

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Speaker 1: that stick around a little bit. So you're not the

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Speaker 1: not the typical draft. But I'm not overly negative on it. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I like the positive outlook. I won't be too negative.

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Speaker 1: But let's start with LaMelo Ball. Um. I think he's

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Speaker 1: probably the consensus most talented player in the draft. But

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Speaker 1: that doesn't really mean anything, right, I mean, this guy's

490
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Speaker 1: never played in any structure, you know, defense. I don't

491
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Speaker 1: want to say he's allergic to it, but like I've

492
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Speaker 1: never really seen it. Um, I don't know. I'm not

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Speaker 1: negative on him. Obviously, he's gonna be a top five pick.

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Speaker 1: But Matt, you know, if you're a fan of the Timberwolves,

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Speaker 1: are you geeked about the potential to draft LaMelo Ball? No?

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Speaker 1: I I mean, let me explain. I mean, LaMelo has

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Speaker 1: got talent, don't don't get me wrong. I mean, he's,

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Speaker 1: you know, six seven point guard and he's gotta he's

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Speaker 1: got a nactive makes spectacular plays, and um, I actually

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Speaker 1: think Anthony Edwards has got the most upside in the draft. Um.

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Speaker 1: And with LaMelo Um, you know, even with that talent,

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Speaker 1: that there are concerns. Uh. You know, obviously the Ball family.

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Speaker 1: I mean there's been so much, so much negativity surrounding

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Speaker 1: them and drama, and you know, there's probably so many

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Speaker 1: different things we can say about that, right. But um,

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Speaker 1: you know, in the kid, if you're scouting him, you know,

507
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Speaker 1: he doesn't apply himself on the defensive end, takes a

508
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Speaker 1: bunch of bad shots. Uh. You know, he hasn't done

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Speaker 1: very well in these interviews supposedly, and um that there's

510
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Speaker 1: there's just a lot of negativity attached with him. And

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Speaker 1: so I mean I think there's a good chance he

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Speaker 1: could slip a little bit. What do you mean by

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Speaker 1: a little bit? Do you think he's fallen out of

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Speaker 1: the top five. Well, I don't expect him to go

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Speaker 1: number one. Um, I believe that he is in consideration

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Speaker 1: for Golden State. I don't think what's all said and done.

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Speaker 1: If I if I had a bet on it, I

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Speaker 1: don't think he's going number two. Uh. And if he

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Speaker 1: doesn't go number two, I think the you know, the

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Speaker 1: next pick would for him would be four with Chicago.

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Speaker 1: I think Chicago is gonna pass on him. Um. And

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Speaker 1: he's just he's fallen to a you know, sort of

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Speaker 1: like a slippery slope there with a team where he

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Speaker 1: doesn't fit the teams. So if he doesn't go to

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Speaker 1: Golden State and there's not crazy shake up trades, which

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Speaker 1: there might be. Um, I think he goes to Detroit

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Speaker 1: at seven. Huh, that would be a fault. Now, I

528
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Speaker 1: guess my issue with drafting him. If you're Cleveland, right,

529
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Speaker 1: your culture stinks, it's been terrible forever the rosters. Who

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Speaker 1: knows what that is? And you know, I hate to

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Speaker 1: dog Michael Jordan, but similar in Charlotte. Like, I don't

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Speaker 1: want to say he's gonna fail if he goes to

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Speaker 1: one of those two places, but it's gonna be tough

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Speaker 1: for him, right. Uh, this is a guy who's gonna

535
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Speaker 1: come in everywhere he's gone. He's been the guy, and

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Speaker 1: now he's gonna be dealing with a bunch of guys

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Speaker 1: who don't think he's the guy. They're gonna be coming

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Speaker 1: at him. We saw that with Alonzo in l A. Right,

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Speaker 1: he never totally fit. I don't know if he's fitting

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Speaker 1: with the Pelicans right now. Um, do you think there

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Speaker 1: is Alonzo like the stench of Alonzo kind of attached

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Speaker 1: to him? Theim at all, LaMelo. No, I actually I don't.

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Speaker 1: I mean, obviously hasn't worked out that well if Alonzo

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Speaker 1: so far. I mean the Anthony Davis saying, you know,

545
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Speaker 1: it was pretty unique. I mean, the Lakers an opportunity

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Speaker 1: to get one of the best players in the league.

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Speaker 1: So I mean he can't judge him on that too much.

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Speaker 1: But does seem like things have gone stale in New

549
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Speaker 1: Orleans in a short amount of time for for whatever reason.

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Speaker 1: But you know, Alonzo's reputation is better than La Melos.

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Speaker 1: I mean LaMelo. Uh, you talked people, you know behind

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Speaker 1: closed doors. I mean, entitlement comes up a lot, you know,

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Speaker 1: And uh, that's that's a problem because I mean he's

554
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Speaker 1: a good player. I don't think he's quite there yet.

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Speaker 1: And um I talked to a friend of mine that's

556
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Speaker 1: a media member and he was on the big media

557
00:28:34,800 --> 00:28:37,920
Speaker 1: call with with Amelo recently, and somebody asked him about

558
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Speaker 1: his shooting mechanics and you're are you looking to change it?

559
00:28:40,360 --> 00:28:42,840
Speaker 1: And uh, this gets got twenty percent from three this year,

560
00:28:43,640 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: trusses the entire you know, media saying I don't need

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Speaker 1: to change my shot. I could shoot it fine. It's

562
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,080
Speaker 1: just that kind of you know, kind of gives an

563
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Speaker 1: example of its kind of this gets kind of entitled.

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Speaker 1: I thinks everything should be handed to him, and I

565
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Speaker 1: don't think he's quite there yet. I think he's got upside.

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Speaker 1: That's only one part of the equation here. And so

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Speaker 1: I mean if he were to say he were go

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Speaker 1: to Golden State, who obviously has a very well established

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Speaker 1: backcourt with Steph Curry and Clay, and then you got

570
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Speaker 1: Draymond Green, who's, uh, you know, a very vocal leader.

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Speaker 1: You know, if this kid's you know, pulling his crap

572
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:13,200
Speaker 1: and taking bad shots and not playing defense, I don't

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Speaker 1: know how that's gonna work. Yeah, it's it's it's a

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Speaker 1: tough fit for him anywhere. Let's go to Anthony Edwards,

575
00:29:18,520 --> 00:29:20,440
Speaker 1: a guy you like the most. I heard Tom Crean

576
00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:23,960
Speaker 1: compare him to Dwayne Wade, which I thought was a

577
00:29:23,960 --> 00:29:27,880
Speaker 1: little bit much. Now Crean coach Wade at Marquette. Um.

578
00:29:27,920 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 1: I think Edwards physically looks the part, but yeah, there's

579
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Speaker 1: just something about I heard somebody compare him to Dion

580
00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:38,840
Speaker 1: Waiters in that we don't see the dog all the time,

581
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Speaker 1: Like he's not. He doesn't have the dog mentality that

582
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Speaker 1: Wade did, did he like under recruited. Uh, you know,

583
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Speaker 1: nobody respects me. I'm gonna kill everybody. That's what Wade

584
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:50,840
Speaker 1: kind of he came from nowhere. Uh, Anthony Edwards, it's

585
00:29:50,880 --> 00:29:53,120
Speaker 1: kind of been touted for a while, right. Oh yeah,

586
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:54,560
Speaker 1: not for sure. And I mean I think he's a

587
00:29:54,560 --> 00:29:57,120
Speaker 1: product of grass roots basketball right now. I mean a

588
00:29:57,160 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: lot of these games is they roll the ball out

589
00:29:59,240 --> 00:30:02,080
Speaker 1: there and there's all these cameras around and these guys

590
00:30:02,120 --> 00:30:04,720
Speaker 1: play for their their highlight video, right and uh, and

591
00:30:04,760 --> 00:30:06,800
Speaker 1: so you know, I think Anthony is very young. I mean,

592
00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,440
Speaker 1: comparing him to Joyne, I can see where it's coming from.

593
00:30:09,480 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 1: I mean, the physical tools just thraw talent. I mean,

594
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,280
Speaker 1: this kid is a big time, big time talent, and

595
00:30:15,360 --> 00:30:17,000
Speaker 1: he just hasn't learned how to play yet. It seems

596
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:19,320
Speaker 1: a little a little bit immature. Uh you know bad.

597
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:22,160
Speaker 1: You know, shot selection is absolutely garbage, and you know

598
00:30:22,360 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: some similar issues as LaMelo, like doesn't play defense, so

599
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 1: it doesn't play the right way. Um. You know, if

600
00:30:27,120 --> 00:30:29,760
Speaker 1: if he played like Join did, where he really utilizes

601
00:30:29,840 --> 00:30:31,640
Speaker 1: physical tools and got to the whole and got to

602
00:30:31,680 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: the line, I think he'd be a lot more effective.

603
00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 1: He really depends on um, you know, creating his own shop,

604
00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:40,160
Speaker 1: but taking bad shots like contested threes. And he's capable

605
00:30:40,160 --> 00:30:42,600
Speaker 1: of hitting tough shots, but I you know, I wouldn't

606
00:30:42,600 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 1: want him to depend on that completely. And you know,

607
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:46,680
Speaker 1: up to this point, he hasn't proven that he's willing

608
00:30:46,720 --> 00:30:49,840
Speaker 1: to do anything else. Yeah, so do you think he

609
00:30:49,840 --> 00:30:53,200
Speaker 1: goes one to Minnesota? Huh? Well, I know Minnesota's trying

610
00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: to trade the pick. I think it's I think it's

611
00:30:55,160 --> 00:30:57,440
Speaker 1: easier said than done because I mean with the parody here,

612
00:30:57,760 --> 00:31:00,000
Speaker 1: you know, I don't think teams probably want the pressure

613
00:31:00,000 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: of having the number one pick. I mean, right or wrong,

614
00:31:02,800 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: the media, the fan base, um, you know, the player's

615
00:31:05,840 --> 00:31:08,000
Speaker 1: inner circle. I mean that there's a lot of pressure

616
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,200
Speaker 1: with being a number one pick, and I don't know

617
00:31:10,200 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 1: if you want that. And it's more more expensive contract,

618
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:14,200
Speaker 1: you know, So if you're getting you know, comfortable player

619
00:31:14,240 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: without the pressure and a little cheaper, you know, why

620
00:31:16,560 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 1: why trade up? And so, uh you know, they may,

621
00:31:19,640 --> 00:31:21,600
Speaker 1: they may trade it. I know Charlotte wants number one

622
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:24,479
Speaker 1: to get Wiseman, so that's a possibility. But I wouldn't

623
00:31:24,520 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: be surprised if they stayed put and just said Hey,

624
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,760
Speaker 1: you know what, there's so much doubt here. Let's just

625
00:31:28,760 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 1: go with the highest upside guy, which I think is

626
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,120
Speaker 1: Anthony Edwards. Yeah, I'm with you. I mean I think

627
00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 1: Minnesota had picked up a kid from Denver via trade

628
00:31:36,240 --> 00:31:39,840
Speaker 1: and the kid got like a d u Y Beasley. Yeah,

629
00:31:39,880 --> 00:31:42,200
Speaker 1: so it's yeah, so it's Millik Beasley. So they trade

630
00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:44,080
Speaker 1: trade from at the trade day, like gave up a

631
00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:47,440
Speaker 1: first round pick. And he really did well in fourteen games,

632
00:31:47,520 --> 00:31:49,320
Speaker 1: average over twenty points a game. He's just a he's

633
00:31:49,320 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: a big time talent. But he did get in trouble.

634
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Speaker 1: It was a deal, it wasn't a d uy. So

635
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Speaker 1: what it was is, uh, he'd uh he pulled a

636
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Speaker 1: gun on his neighbor. And sometimes even I don't know.

637
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:02,520
Speaker 1: I mean i've heard, I've heard mixed reviews. I mean

638
00:32:02,520 --> 00:32:04,800
Speaker 1: I've read the reports and it just does not sound

639
00:32:04,800 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 1: good at all. I've heard it might not be quite

640
00:32:08,160 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: as bad as it's it's being portrayed in the media.

641
00:32:10,720 --> 00:32:13,120
Speaker 1: I sure hope not, because I mean, he's he's a

642
00:32:13,160 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 1: really talented and I've actually heard he's a good guy.

643
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: I don't know him personally, but um, you know that

644
00:32:18,520 --> 00:32:22,000
Speaker 1: that's early on when the lottery first got set, I

645
00:32:22,080 --> 00:32:24,040
Speaker 1: questioned if Edwards was the guy, because I do. I

646
00:32:24,080 --> 00:32:26,720
Speaker 1: do value Beasley quite a bit in there. There's somewhat

647
00:32:26,760 --> 00:32:30,360
Speaker 1: similar obviously with him, you know, getting in trouble, you know,

648
00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,560
Speaker 1: probably makes it a little bit easier to justify taking

649
00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:33,920
Speaker 1: a guy at his position. He's going to be a

650
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 1: restricted free agent. But uh, you know, Minnesota in a

651
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:39,320
Speaker 1: tough spot that it's not it's not just an easy

652
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:42,360
Speaker 1: decision like it is in most years. And remember this

653
00:32:42,440 --> 00:32:46,760
Speaker 1: is a team that loves, uh you know, D'Angelo Russell

654
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,360
Speaker 1: who needs shots, and Karl Anthony Towns who need shots.

655
00:32:49,360 --> 00:32:51,720
Speaker 1: And now you're bringing in a guy who really thrives

656
00:32:51,800 --> 00:32:54,040
Speaker 1: on scoring. That's like his thing. I don't I don't

657
00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,640
Speaker 1: think it's a great fit. But I'm with you, I

658
00:32:55,680 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 1: don't think there is a great one. Now let's get

659
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: to the guy you mentioned, Wiseman. Um, I'm just not

660
00:33:00,600 --> 00:33:03,320
Speaker 1: a huge fan. I don't know. You know, Michael Jordan's

661
00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,720
Speaker 1: history of big guys not very good, dating back to

662
00:33:06,800 --> 00:33:09,640
Speaker 1: kwambe Brown. But uh, I don't know where are you

663
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:12,240
Speaker 1: on James Wiseman. You know, I really like him, and

664
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Speaker 1: I think you know, and I've watched him since high

665
00:33:14,040 --> 00:33:15,680
Speaker 1: school and I saw him in his pro day. You know,

666
00:33:15,720 --> 00:33:18,640
Speaker 1: obviously his sample size in college was not as small

667
00:33:18,680 --> 00:33:20,920
Speaker 1: as it gets. I mean it's three games, right, But

668
00:33:21,000 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 1: this kid is you know, his his physical profile is

669
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:26,320
Speaker 1: so impressive and he's seven foot one, seven ft six wingspan.

670
00:33:26,680 --> 00:33:28,480
Speaker 1: I think he's gonna fill out to be a really

671
00:33:28,520 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 1: you know, impressive, strong, you know, big guy. But he

672
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:34,640
Speaker 1: could really move, He's fluid, he's athletic. Uh, sort of

673
00:33:34,680 --> 00:33:37,400
Speaker 1: in the David Robinson mold from that stampoo and uh,

674
00:33:37,440 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: you know, and everybody talks about here the big man

675
00:33:39,240 --> 00:33:42,080
Speaker 1: is dead, and you know with him, it's kind of

676
00:33:42,080 --> 00:33:43,520
Speaker 1: one of these things where okay, the big man is

677
00:33:43,520 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 1: not dead. The game has changed, so you need to

678
00:33:45,680 --> 00:33:48,120
Speaker 1: kind of evaluate them differently. And um, you know, we

679
00:33:48,120 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: talk a lot about high pick and roll. You know,

680
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,400
Speaker 1: can the guy you know get out there and move

681
00:33:51,440 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 1: his feed and recover and not be limited to you know,

682
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 1: play a drop defense where uh, you know where where

683
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,680
Speaker 1: it really bigs your team you know, vulnerable, uh, James

684
00:33:59,720 --> 00:34:01,320
Speaker 1: wise and cover a lot of ground and move his

685
00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:03,520
Speaker 1: feed and uh's first of all, so I I do

686
00:34:03,640 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 1: really like him, and you know, doing my homework on him.

687
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: He seems like a great kid, really bright. I mean

688
00:34:08,400 --> 00:34:11,200
Speaker 1: it's a four point of student. He speaks fluent Mandarin.

689
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:15,040
Speaker 1: Uh So, I mean, obviously those aren't necessary prerequisites to

690
00:34:15,080 --> 00:34:17,520
Speaker 1: be a good basketball player, but being a big guy

691
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,960
Speaker 1: thinking it, with his talent, I think he could step

692
00:34:19,960 --> 00:34:22,520
Speaker 1: in and kind of pick up some more of the sophisticated,

693
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:25,480
Speaker 1: you know, schemes of the NBA. And I really like him.

694
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,640
Speaker 1: I mean, is he a sure fire fire star? No,

695
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:29,160
Speaker 1: But I mean I think he's got a chance, and

696
00:34:29,200 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: I think at the very least, he's gonna be a

697
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: you know, good starting center. Interesting, So where are you

698
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:37,400
Speaker 1: on center's overall? Uh? You know, I I had texted

699
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,560
Speaker 1: you that in the Eastern and Western Conference finals it

700
00:34:40,640 --> 00:34:44,920
Speaker 1: was Yokich, Anthony Davis and Bam kind of our center's back.

701
00:34:45,120 --> 00:34:47,480
Speaker 1: Or was this just a weird year because the league

702
00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,279
Speaker 1: had kind of pivoted to the wing and we know

703
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:54,239
Speaker 1: guards dominate. Um, we're in the three point era? Why

704
00:34:54,320 --> 00:34:56,759
Speaker 1: is there not really a three point shooter? Could he

705
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,520
Speaker 1: be in three years? I I don't know. Um, do

706
00:34:59,600 --> 00:35:02,680
Speaker 1: you think there's really uh, you know, a clamoring for

707
00:35:02,920 --> 00:35:06,960
Speaker 1: Wiseman that high in the draft? For anyone outside of Charlotte. Yeah,

708
00:35:06,960 --> 00:35:09,399
Speaker 1: I think I think it's uh, I mean to me

709
00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:12,720
Speaker 1: and talking with people, uh, it seems like Anthony Edwards

710
00:35:12,760 --> 00:35:15,440
Speaker 1: and Wiseman are the clear cut, you know, two top guys.

711
00:35:15,480 --> 00:35:16,960
Speaker 1: I mean, I think Lamel has got a chance of

712
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:19,200
Speaker 1: being there too with Golden State, as I mentioned, but

713
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:21,399
Speaker 1: I think top to bottom with the league, I think

714
00:35:21,400 --> 00:35:23,759
Speaker 1: most people would say Edwards and Wiseman are probably the

715
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:26,200
Speaker 1: most likely top top picks. Um, you know, and as

716
00:35:26,200 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 1: far as the BigMan goes, I mean, yeah, you go

717
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: down the roster. I mean there's big guys know just

718
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,120
Speaker 1: about every team. Obviously Houston played played this extreme small ball,

719
00:35:33,160 --> 00:35:34,920
Speaker 1: but you know that's not the whole league. I mean

720
00:35:35,040 --> 00:35:37,280
Speaker 1: we look at some of these star players like Gobert

721
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,359
Speaker 1: and m Beat and Yokich, and I mean Milwaukee played

722
00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 1: Brook Lopez. He's not a star, but I mean a

723
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,400
Speaker 1: big guy. The Lakers just won the championship with a

724
00:35:44,480 --> 00:35:47,319
Speaker 1: with a huge lineup, and so you know the game

725
00:35:47,360 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: has changed. It's much more spread out. I don't think

726
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:51,360
Speaker 1: all five guys need to be able to shoot threes.

727
00:35:51,560 --> 00:35:53,319
Speaker 1: I think you you can afford to have one guy

728
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:55,000
Speaker 1: that can flow and be more of a rim runner.

729
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:57,719
Speaker 1: Wiseman is more skilled than people realize. I do think

730
00:35:57,719 --> 00:35:59,960
Speaker 1: he's got the ability to be able to stretch at

731
00:35:59,960 --> 00:36:01,680
Speaker 1: the little bit. In long term, could could endup being

732
00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,239
Speaker 1: a guy that could stretch it well. Um, you know,

733
00:36:04,280 --> 00:36:06,520
Speaker 1: Congo is another guy that's you know, he's under size five.

734
00:36:07,080 --> 00:36:09,040
Speaker 1: But similar to what I was saying about Wiseman, he's

735
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: a great athlete, kind of like a band at a

736
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 1: bio from a physical standpoint of he's a big physical force,

737
00:36:14,080 --> 00:36:16,120
Speaker 1: but he could really move his feed and um, you

738
00:36:16,160 --> 00:36:17,719
Speaker 1: know makes you know, makes it that, you know, a

739
00:36:17,760 --> 00:36:21,080
Speaker 1: guy that could utilize old school big man traits but

740
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,680
Speaker 1: not not be vulnerable in today's game. I think, uh,

741
00:36:23,880 --> 00:36:26,080
Speaker 1: you know, in addition to that, you know what what

742
00:36:26,280 --> 00:36:28,279
Speaker 1: is uh you know sort of a dying breed is

743
00:36:28,320 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: a big bodied, slow you know big uh yeah. Yeah,

744
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:34,200
Speaker 1: So I mean, you know, guys like that just don't

745
00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: fit the game as well. I mean think of like

746
00:36:35,480 --> 00:36:37,759
Speaker 1: a like a Greg Oster tag right who started them

747
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:39,960
Speaker 1: for a while. Like, I don't know if a guy

748
00:36:40,000 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: like that would fit fit as well as he did

749
00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,319
Speaker 1: back in the nineties, but a Wiseman, a Congou those

750
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:48,160
Speaker 1: guys fit yeah, all right. So I believe it was

751
00:36:48,400 --> 00:36:50,719
Speaker 1: three or four years ago that Draymond Green was all

752
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:52,440
Speaker 1: the rage. We need to have a Draymond a guy

753
00:36:52,480 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: who can play the four five, makes some threes, defend

754
00:36:55,560 --> 00:36:57,839
Speaker 1: multiple positions like you mentioned on the pick and roll.

755
00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:00,359
Speaker 1: And then kind of Fred van Vleet. We to find

756
00:37:00,400 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 1: a Van fleet Um after his great run in the finals.

757
00:37:03,719 --> 00:37:06,080
Speaker 1: And I think this year, when I start talking to people,

758
00:37:06,080 --> 00:37:08,839
Speaker 1: they're like, man, hey, Duncan Robinson. You know, this guy

759
00:37:08,880 --> 00:37:11,719
Speaker 1: came out of absolutely nowhere, had had a couple of

760
00:37:11,719 --> 00:37:14,279
Speaker 1: really nice games in the finals. And Tyler Hero. I mean,

761
00:37:14,320 --> 00:37:17,399
Speaker 1: if you redraft, how does Tyler Hero follow the top three?

762
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:20,279
Speaker 1: Is there a guy in this draft that kind of

763
00:37:20,280 --> 00:37:23,640
Speaker 1: reminds you of a Duncan Robinson, a Tyler Hero, somebody

764
00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:27,000
Speaker 1: who could pop in the next year or two. Well,

765
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:28,319
Speaker 1: I mean, I think I look at those guys like

766
00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,120
Speaker 1: what's really made at work? I think they got into

767
00:37:30,160 --> 00:37:32,319
Speaker 1: the good programs that believe in them and gave them

768
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:35,239
Speaker 1: good opportunities, developed him properly. Uh you know, but the

769
00:37:35,280 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 1: biggest thing is that those guys can really shoot the ball,

770
00:37:37,560 --> 00:37:39,760
Speaker 1: and the game's really gone gone to you know, stretching

771
00:37:39,800 --> 00:37:42,520
Speaker 1: it and that the three has never been more valuable. Uh,

772
00:37:42,560 --> 00:37:44,160
Speaker 1: and so I mean that the you know, the one

773
00:37:44,160 --> 00:37:46,000
Speaker 1: guy that really stands out in this draft that that

774
00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,560
Speaker 1: could fit that mold is Aaron Ee Smith for Vanderbilt.

775
00:37:48,920 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 1: He's just an exceptional shooter. I mean, I think you

776
00:37:50,680 --> 00:37:53,960
Speaker 1: average twenty three points a game, shot fifty three that

777
00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: he did get hurt, so I think he only played

778
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:58,279
Speaker 1: you know, fifteen sixteen games or something like that. But

779
00:37:58,400 --> 00:38:01,040
Speaker 1: I mean he's the guy that, uh you can step

780
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: in and probably make a splash as a shooter. Sidiqu

781
00:38:03,719 --> 00:38:05,839
Speaker 1: Bay from Villanova is another guy like that. And then

782
00:38:06,000 --> 00:38:09,040
Speaker 1: uh Desmond Bane who is an older player from TCU

783
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:11,880
Speaker 1: terrific shooter. Uh. So, I mean, you know, shooting is

784
00:38:11,920 --> 00:38:13,560
Speaker 1: coming out of premium, and you know, guys like that

785
00:38:13,600 --> 00:38:16,960
Speaker 1: could thrive. Let me ask you about the older players.

786
00:38:17,000 --> 00:38:20,400
Speaker 1: Grant Riller is a little older, but we've seen these

787
00:38:20,800 --> 00:38:23,920
Speaker 1: mature kids ready to come in and contribute late first round,

788
00:38:23,960 --> 00:38:27,200
Speaker 1: second round two contenders because there's not that steep learning

789
00:38:27,200 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: curve you have like with a twenty year old. Do

790
00:38:29,200 --> 00:38:31,600
Speaker 1: you almost think they're undervalue now a guy like cash

791
00:38:31,719 --> 00:38:34,839
Speaker 1: is Winston or Peyton Pritchard. Yeah, I mean I think

792
00:38:34,880 --> 00:38:36,759
Speaker 1: you know when more evaluating guys, the way I look

793
00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:38,480
Speaker 1: at it is okay that the younger the guy is,

794
00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:40,400
Speaker 1: and if you're looking at upside, you know, the more

795
00:38:40,520 --> 00:38:42,160
Speaker 1: risk there is because you're not You're you're so far

796
00:38:42,200 --> 00:38:43,759
Speaker 1: from being a finished product. You're not sure if the

797
00:38:43,760 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 1: guy's gonna get there or not. It's sometimes it is

798
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:47,960
Speaker 1: worth worth taking the swing. Whereas if you've got a

799
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:50,719
Speaker 1: guy that's a little bit older, naturally he's closer to being,

800
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,080
Speaker 1: you know, more of a finished product. So maybe you're

801
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:55,520
Speaker 1: sacrificing some of the upside, but you know what you're

802
00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,520
Speaker 1: getting that. The one guy that comes to mind actually

803
00:38:57,560 --> 00:39:00,360
Speaker 1: fits fits the category asked about with Fred VanVleet uh

804
00:39:00,440 --> 00:39:03,479
Speaker 1: Malachai Flynn from San Diego State. He's uh had somewhat

805
00:39:03,480 --> 00:39:05,320
Speaker 1: of an orn orthodox path to to come to this

806
00:39:05,360 --> 00:39:07,160
Speaker 1: point where I think he's probably gonna be a first

807
00:39:07,239 --> 00:39:10,320
Speaker 1: round pick. Initially went to Washington State, which uh he

808
00:39:10,560 --> 00:39:12,799
Speaker 1: was under recruited. Washington State ended up coming and coming

809
00:39:12,840 --> 00:39:15,360
Speaker 1: to get him last minute. I think he had like

810
00:39:15,400 --> 00:39:18,360
Speaker 1: low d ones before that and transferred after two years,

811
00:39:18,880 --> 00:39:20,560
Speaker 1: sat out a year at San Diego State, and then

812
00:39:20,560 --> 00:39:22,799
Speaker 1: this year he came out. He came out slinging and

813
00:39:22,800 --> 00:39:25,200
Speaker 1: they they lost two games the entire year, and it was,

814
00:39:25,520 --> 00:39:27,279
Speaker 1: you know, a big reason. What was him? And I

815
00:39:27,280 --> 00:39:29,600
Speaker 1: think he's a guy that's gonna step in. I think

816
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:31,520
Speaker 1: ultimate he's gonna be a starter in the NBA. I've

817
00:39:31,560 --> 00:39:33,799
Speaker 1: gotten to know him a little bitter visit him in

818
00:39:33,920 --> 00:39:36,440
Speaker 1: Vegas a few weeks ago, and just an impressive kid,

819
00:39:36,480 --> 00:39:38,640
Speaker 1: really tough. I mean he's on the smaller site, similar

820
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,759
Speaker 1: to Van Vleet. He's only six one, but he got

821
00:39:40,800 --> 00:39:42,440
Speaker 1: defensive player year in the Mountain West. I mean, this

822
00:39:42,520 --> 00:39:45,239
Speaker 1: kid's tough as nails. And then one thing that's really

823
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: interesting about him is he he's a student of the

824
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: game's Jim rat Uh And he told me, you know,

825
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,239
Speaker 1: he spent in His assistant coach told me this as well.

826
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:54,880
Speaker 1: He spent a lot of time watching film, watch the

827
00:39:54,920 --> 00:39:57,120
Speaker 1: film of all of his games, but it also watches

828
00:39:57,160 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 1: film every single one of his practices. And I just

829
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,640
Speaker 1: thought that was very, very oppressive for a kid that's

830
00:40:02,640 --> 00:40:05,120
Speaker 1: years older. How old he is. And um, I think

831
00:40:05,120 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: he's ready to step in and be a pros pro

832
00:40:07,040 --> 00:40:09,920
Speaker 1: and do well. I had him going twenty three d

833
00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:13,319
Speaker 1: utah um in my draft in my mock draft. Is

834
00:40:13,320 --> 00:40:14,759
Speaker 1: that is that too low? Do I need to rate

835
00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 1: bump him up a little bit? Is he late lottery guy? Um?

836
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,120
Speaker 1: You know, I I feared that he's gonna be a guy.

837
00:40:21,320 --> 00:40:22,719
Speaker 1: You know, in a few years, we're gonna look back

838
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,080
Speaker 1: that he should have been. Um, I think teams are

839
00:40:25,120 --> 00:40:27,080
Speaker 1: afraid to put him there. I you know, I haven't

840
00:40:27,080 --> 00:40:29,800
Speaker 1: met twenty, which is you know, I think twenty, you know,

841
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:32,439
Speaker 1: the twenties. I mean, Utah is definitely an option. Yeah,

842
00:40:32,520 --> 00:40:35,080
Speaker 1: that that that would that would be a real possibility

843
00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,000
Speaker 1: in my mind. But I've gotten going to twenty to

844
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:40,719
Speaker 1: Miami at this point. Uh, I'm just curious, where are

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Speaker 1: you on R. J. Hampton? He played for the New

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Speaker 1: Zealand Breakers, and I, um, I'm like a minority owner

847
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Speaker 1: of that team. So I got to see a lot

848
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Speaker 1: of him and watched a lot of him, and I'm

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Speaker 1: just curious what your thoughts are on because this guy

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Speaker 1: went into uh leaving high school, he was projected as

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Speaker 1: like a lottery top ten guy. Um, we're do you

852
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Speaker 1: have him currently? Well, first of I should be asking

853
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Speaker 1: he was per some intel, right, I'm just kidding, But

854
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Speaker 1: you know, I've watched R. J Bunch. You know, the

855
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Speaker 1: team came out, he came to the the United States and

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Speaker 1: played some preseason games against NBA team. So I saw

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Speaker 1: him twice during that time, and um, I mean just

858
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Speaker 1: a super high upside kid. And uh and sort of

859
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Speaker 1: what I mentioned before. You know, he's young, he's got upside,

860
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Speaker 1: he's got the tools. I mean, needs to get stronger,

861
00:41:23,360 --> 00:41:25,080
Speaker 1: needs to you know, you know, prove that he could

862
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Speaker 1: hit shots at at a good right. But he's got

863
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Speaker 1: all the tools you gotta put together, you know. And

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Speaker 1: so I think there's a certain, you know, a significant

865
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Speaker 1: amount of risk with him, but if it clicks him,

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Speaker 1: he could end up being one of the better players

867
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Speaker 1: in the draft. And so I all, right, now I've

868
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Speaker 1: got him. I think he's going to be like a

869
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Speaker 1: late lottery mid first type type guy. Yeah that sounds

870
00:41:41,640 --> 00:41:43,480
Speaker 1: about right. I had him a little lower than that,

871
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Speaker 1: but no big deal. Finally, Cole Anthony, I love this

872
00:41:47,239 --> 00:41:49,440
Speaker 1: kid coming out of high school. You know, you just

873
00:41:49,440 --> 00:41:51,359
Speaker 1: watch him, you see the highlights and you're like, man,

874
00:41:51,360 --> 00:41:53,480
Speaker 1: this guy can play. And then he goes to North

875
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Speaker 1: Carolina and he didn't pop the way some of these

876
00:41:56,360 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 1: other point guards did. I'm just curious somebody had mentioned

877
00:41:59,440 --> 00:42:02,280
Speaker 1: to me that he was an older player in high school.

878
00:42:02,320 --> 00:42:04,560
Speaker 1: I think he was nineteen almost. He was like one

879
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Speaker 1: of the oldest kids, and the maturity helped him dominate.

880
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: And then he gets to college and he didn't have

881
00:42:09,719 --> 00:42:14,160
Speaker 1: that edge anymore. Where are you and Cole Anthony? You know,

882
00:42:14,239 --> 00:42:16,560
Speaker 1: the first thing is, uh, I'm really looking forward to

883
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Speaker 1: get through the stress in A big part of that

884
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Speaker 1: mean I can stop talking about Coldy asking about him.

885
00:42:22,360 --> 00:42:24,400
Speaker 1: I could ask you he's so polarizing. You know, he

886
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,040
Speaker 1: came out of high school and he's so you know,

887
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Speaker 1: he's so talented, and he's a he's a very aggressive,

888
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,480
Speaker 1: assertive score. I mean, he's like the ultimate alpha dog.

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Speaker 1: He goes to the Carolina Granny. He did get hurt

890
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 1: pretty early on their team struggled. Uh, didn't have as

891
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:38,400
Speaker 1: much talent as um he usually does. Uh. You know,

892
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Speaker 1: I think the biggest thing with him those that the

893
00:42:40,120 --> 00:42:42,000
Speaker 1: intels has really hurt him, you know what I mean

894
00:42:42,680 --> 00:42:44,440
Speaker 1: talking to people that have kind of crossed pass with

895
00:42:44,520 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 1: him for the last five years or whatever, and um,

896
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:49,000
Speaker 1: you know, there's a lot of stuff coming about and

897
00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,839
Speaker 1: being selfish, Um, you know, not a great team guy.

898
00:42:51,920 --> 00:42:53,920
Speaker 1: Stuff like that and just you know that there's a

899
00:42:53,920 --> 00:42:56,000
Speaker 1: lot of people that I've talked to throughout the league

900
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:57,680
Speaker 1: just and I said, hey, he's not our kind of guy.

901
00:42:57,719 --> 00:42:59,319
Speaker 1: I don't think we would take him. And it's not

902
00:42:59,360 --> 00:43:02,319
Speaker 1: talking about of range or whatever. It's uh, he's just

903
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,759
Speaker 1: you know, not not their style. Yeah, I do want

904
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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, his dad Greg Anthony right, and um,

905
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Speaker 1: kind of grew up pretty you know, he lived a

906
00:43:10,920 --> 00:43:12,520
Speaker 1: good life right in New York City for a lot

907
00:43:12,520 --> 00:43:15,520
Speaker 1: of that and I wonder if that had a major impact.

908
00:43:15,560 --> 00:43:19,120
Speaker 1: I have him at Orlando at fifteen, but based off

909
00:43:19,160 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 1: what you're saying, it doesn't think you don't think he's

910
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: going that high. Huh, you know he could. I mean

911
00:43:23,400 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 1: what's funny about the draft, you know, is it takes

912
00:43:26,480 --> 00:43:28,840
Speaker 1: one team to kind of solidify the guy's market value,

913
00:43:28,920 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: right and so and you know, I worked as an

914
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Speaker 1: agent for ten years before I started doing this, and

915
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Speaker 1: you know, I dealt with that and and sometimes it

916
00:43:34,440 --> 00:43:36,120
Speaker 1: was it was a good thing for me. Other times

917
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Speaker 1: it was a bad thing, you know, because it's just

918
00:43:37,440 --> 00:43:40,440
Speaker 1: you know, guys, ranges can be a lot wider than

919
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:43,399
Speaker 1: it seems at times. And uh, yeah, it wouldn't shock

920
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Speaker 1: me if Cole you know, went went late lottery, mid first.

921
00:43:46,360 --> 00:43:47,960
Speaker 1: But it wouldn't surprise me if if he was the

922
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Speaker 1: guy that slipped the second round, everybody's shocked Draft night.

923
00:43:50,719 --> 00:43:53,200
Speaker 1: I could see it going either way. Um, and then

924
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Speaker 1: he becomes a steel all right, I'll get you out

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00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:57,200
Speaker 1: of here on this one, matt Um. Lakers. We have

926
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Speaker 1: a large audience of the podcast in l A. Obviously

927
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Speaker 1: they're clamoring for Lakers News. I'll preface this by saying,

928
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Speaker 1: we know Lebron doesn't like rookies, but any thoughts on

929
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Speaker 1: what the Lakers could do at twenty eight, assuming they

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Speaker 1: keep the pick, you know, when what's getting the light first?

931
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Speaker 1: I mean a lot of it is just to figure

932
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Speaker 1: out who's there, because it's it's hard, it's hard to

933
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Speaker 1: predict exactly. Uh, you know, and I think you have

934
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Speaker 1: to nail on the head. I do expect them to

935
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Speaker 1: draft somebody that can contribute in with l A. I mean,

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Speaker 1: with Lebron, he's so versatile, I essentially could play every

937
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Speaker 1: position on the floor. Uh. Gives you know, gives the

938
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Speaker 1: team a lot of flexibility who they put around him.

939
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Speaker 1: Obviously outside shooting. I think it's important, Uh, and for

940
00:44:34,120 --> 00:44:35,520
Speaker 1: a team that's trying to be so competitive, you need

941
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Speaker 1: a guy that could defend. I mean, if the guy

942
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Speaker 1: can't defend, he's probably gonna be on the floor for

943
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Speaker 1: very long. And so, um, you know, I don't have

944
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Speaker 1: specific names for you, but uh, you know, I would

945
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,560
Speaker 1: expect somebody that then they think can crack their rotation

946
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Speaker 1: and give him some depth. I think they got Kuzma,

947
00:44:48,040 --> 00:44:52,520
Speaker 1: what seven, somewhere in that range twenty nine. Um, but again,

948
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Speaker 1: that was a different team that wasn't a team coming

949
00:44:54,480 --> 00:44:57,840
Speaker 1: off a championship, you know, so it almost feels like

950
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Speaker 1: it's a tough spot for them, um to keep the

951
00:45:00,480 --> 00:45:02,359
Speaker 1: pick because you know, Lebron's gonna want to say, hey,

952
00:45:02,760 --> 00:45:04,960
Speaker 1: well I should I should stop saying Lebron because they

953
00:45:05,000 --> 00:45:08,080
Speaker 1: do have a GM. But uh, the package, the pick

954
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Speaker 1: they package to pick with I don't know Kuzma, uh,

955
00:45:12,200 --> 00:45:15,399
Speaker 1: Danny Green. Uh, maybe they get something. But all right, Matt, well,

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Speaker 1: I'll get you any other final thoughts you have on

957
00:45:17,760 --> 00:45:20,359
Speaker 1: the draft, and um, you know, without looking too far

958
00:45:20,360 --> 00:45:23,200
Speaker 1: ahead to I don't even know if you've looked at

959
00:45:23,239 --> 00:45:25,840
Speaker 1: the players in depth yet there. Oh yeah, no, I have.

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00:45:25,960 --> 00:45:27,799
Speaker 1: I mean, actually, I just I just got back from

961
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Speaker 1: Phoenix on to pangoes all American term for all guys

962
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Speaker 1: that will be two draft picks. Um. Yeah, so yeah,

963
00:45:33,560 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: we get ahead of things. Next year's draft, there's a

964
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Speaker 1: lot to be excited about. There's a good handfully on

965
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Speaker 1: five to ten guys that could end up being stars

966
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Speaker 1: and the following year. I mean I just watched uh

967
00:45:42,719 --> 00:45:47,480
Speaker 1: Chent Holmgren from Minneapolis. Uh, Jabari Smith from Georgia. Uh,

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Speaker 1: Paulo Panjarod's gonna duke. I mean, these kids are two

969
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:52,920
Speaker 1: years away. We've got we're gonna have a couple full

970
00:45:52,920 --> 00:45:55,120
Speaker 1: of years here. Yeah. Did you did you happen to

971
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Speaker 1: see k Johnny right, big kid? Uh? No, I don't

972
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Speaker 1: believe he was there? Okay, yeah he he worked out

973
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Speaker 1: of my gym, and uh, you know I know his trainers.

974
00:46:03,760 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: So this guy is a monster. I mean, I know,

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Speaker 1: you know, he's like six eight beast. I'm sure seen him.

976
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Speaker 1: Was he there? I saw? I've seen him at USA

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Speaker 1: Basketball before. Yeah. I can go to a lot of

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Speaker 1: those events that I live in Denver and they're in

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Speaker 1: Carla Springs it. Uh. You know what's great about the events,

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Speaker 1: uh with the USA basketballs, they bring in a ton

981
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Speaker 1: of them, and so it's a great opportunity for me

982
00:46:22,800 --> 00:46:24,440
Speaker 1: to get ahead of kind of like put the face

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Speaker 1: with the name. It's not as like comprehensive you know,

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Speaker 1: evaluations as it is like for the guys in their

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Speaker 1: draft here. But I know I've seen him. I would

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Speaker 1: have to go back to my notes kind of refresh

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Speaker 1: my memory a little bit though. Anyways, all right, Hey,

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Speaker 1: Matt a great stuff and check out his website, Babcock Hoops.

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Speaker 1: I'm sure you'll have another mock draft right before the

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Speaker 1: draft as well. And Matt, thanks a lot. Hey, congrats

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Speaker 1: on your success. Thanks so much. We're gonna be releasing

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