WEBVTT - Fudged Shift Nation 0:00:11.840 --> 0:00:14.560 Good morning, peeps, and welcome to woka f Daily with 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:19.480 me your girl, Danielle Moody, recording from my Long Island bunker. Folks, 0:00:20.800 --> 0:00:24.320 I get into a conversation today with our friend Jonathan 0:00:24.360 --> 0:00:28.920 Metzel on this Woke Wednesday that is just really about 0:00:28.960 --> 0:00:31.960 every single amount of fuck shit that we are going 0:00:31.960 --> 0:00:37.520 through UM and what it feels like and the experience 0:00:37.720 --> 0:00:44.640 of kind of living through one apocalyptic week after another UM, 0:00:44.680 --> 0:00:50.640 but also really talking about the neuroses right that we 0:00:50.720 --> 0:00:56.080 are seeing of this Republican Party UM, around the insurrection, 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.760 around their denial, talking about the fact that we are 0:01:00.120 --> 0:01:06.600 using our ability to share space with one another and 0:01:06.680 --> 0:01:10.920 do so in a civilized manner with the purchase or 0:01:11.000 --> 0:01:16.199 impending purchase I should say, of Twitter by Elon Musk. 0:01:16.360 --> 0:01:20.800 And you know, folks, it's funny because I've been talking 0:01:20.800 --> 0:01:25.000 to Jonathan for as well as you guys know, every 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.880 every week for the past two years, and you know, 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:33.440 it's it's amazing because in the beginning, I just want 0:01:33.440 --> 0:01:36.400 to offer this to you. In the beginning, we thought 0:01:36.440 --> 0:01:40.600 that what we were initially experiencing with being in this 0:01:40.720 --> 0:01:44.679 global health pandemic was like the worst that things could get. 0:01:45.120 --> 0:01:48.920 But as time has gone on, I don't think we 0:01:49.040 --> 0:01:51.520 realized at that time how good we fucking had it. 0:01:51.560 --> 0:01:54.200 And I don't mean to be flippant, trust me about 0:01:54.200 --> 0:01:57.520 the people that have lost their lives to COVID. I 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:03.240 in fact lost my step grandmother to COVID in November 0:02:03.360 --> 0:02:06.960 of twenty twenty, So I'm not trying to be flippant, 0:02:07.040 --> 0:02:09.640 but I'm saying in terms of we thought that that 0:02:09.760 --> 0:02:13.079 was the worst that it could get. It never occurred 0:02:13.120 --> 0:02:18.040 to us that, as we were, you know, buying up 0:02:18.080 --> 0:02:22.960 every bit of toilet paper and hand sanitizer, that once 0:02:23.040 --> 0:02:26.920 a vaccine was available, that we would have people that 0:02:26.919 --> 0:02:30.880 would protest it and protest hospitals, that we would get 0:02:30.919 --> 0:02:34.799 to a place that even though we learned much much 0:02:34.960 --> 0:02:38.239 later thanks to the lack of journalistic integrity of people 0:02:38.320 --> 0:02:42.080 like Bob Woodward and others who decided to sell a 0:02:42.120 --> 0:02:44.679 book as opposed to allow the American people to hear 0:02:44.760 --> 0:02:49.160 from Donald Trump himself that co COVID nineteen was in 0:02:49.200 --> 0:02:52.080 fact not a hoax, that it was lethal, that it 0:02:52.240 --> 0:02:56.040 was airborne, and that it was much more dangerous than 0:02:56.080 --> 0:02:59.600 the flu. But instead he decided to hawk a book 0:03:00.080 --> 0:03:03.600 the same way that the Kevin McCarthy tapes were just released, 0:03:04.000 --> 0:03:09.880 and it just in time once again for New York 0:03:09.919 --> 0:03:13.160 Times journalists to be able to sell a book as 0:03:13.160 --> 0:03:16.959 opposed to airing out the fucking dirty launcher of the 0:03:17.000 --> 0:03:20.520 Republican Party. I'm watching the news this week, and if 0:03:20.560 --> 0:03:24.959 you are somebody who lives in Pennsylvania, please do put 0:03:25.000 --> 0:03:28.560 in the comment section whether or not you had it 0:03:28.639 --> 0:03:33.080 in you to stomach the debate for the Republican primary 0:03:33.160 --> 0:03:38.040 for governor. But I'm watching local news here on Long 0:03:38.080 --> 0:03:44.480 Island and just the fact that we are two years 0:03:44.560 --> 0:03:48.720 or moved from the twenty twenty election and you have 0:03:49.000 --> 0:03:58.760 candidates for the state of Pennsylvania to be like folks 0:03:58.840 --> 0:04:03.880 who are still uttering the big lie. And I just 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:09.520 watched this segment where, you know, another reporter said, you know, 0:04:09.640 --> 0:04:12.920 it's Republicans in private to each other know that this 0:04:13.000 --> 0:04:18.400 is crazy, but they're so just they're just so scared, physically, 0:04:18.440 --> 0:04:22.320 fearful of their base. Well, you're the ones that created 0:04:22.360 --> 0:04:24.240 the monster. So do you think that I'm going to 0:04:24.360 --> 0:04:27.719 feel fucking bad for you now that the monsters that 0:04:27.839 --> 0:04:30.880 you've created now want to bite your head off if 0:04:30.920 --> 0:04:33.960 you don't go along with the lies. That you brought 0:04:34.000 --> 0:04:39.039 to their front door. That now you have a situation 0:04:39.080 --> 0:04:41.920 where your base is totally and completely out of control, 0:04:42.520 --> 0:04:45.480 where if you were to step out of the line, 0:04:45.560 --> 0:04:48.560 which means step out of favor with Donald Trump, then 0:04:48.920 --> 0:04:53.760 you could be potentially physically assaulted or worse. You know, 0:04:53.800 --> 0:04:58.200 they were going back to when Mitt Romney was verbally 0:04:58.240 --> 0:05:02.120 accosted and I think jostled around a bit for his 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:09.240 votes recently, you know, during the Trump administration, voting to 0:05:09.440 --> 0:05:11.599 impeach and all of these things. And you're saying to 0:05:11.680 --> 0:05:14.560 me yourself, and I'm sorry, he didn't vote to impeach. 0:05:14.600 --> 0:05:18.039 He voted to go along, you know, to certify the 0:05:18.080 --> 0:05:21.560 elections and all of these things. But he was accosted. 0:05:22.400 --> 0:05:24.600 And so you have these people that want to do 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:29.000 tough talk, right like they did during the Judge Katanchi 0:05:29.040 --> 0:05:33.599 Brown Jackson hearing. They want to bolster up their chest 0:05:33.680 --> 0:05:36.200 and scream and spit and do all that shit. But 0:05:36.240 --> 0:05:38.840 they won't do that with their own base because they're 0:05:38.839 --> 0:05:42.560 afraid of those gun toten motherfuckers. Right. They're afraid that 0:05:42.600 --> 0:05:45.920 they're going to catch a case quite literally, And I'm 0:05:45.920 --> 0:05:48.840 just like, I wish you fucking would and yeah, I 0:05:49.000 --> 0:05:53.640 said what I said, because frankly, they are the ones 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:56.640 to blame for the situation that we are in because 0:05:56.760 --> 0:06:02.839 much alike right, reports have come out about what exactly 0:06:02.880 --> 0:06:07.039 Mitch McConnell thought after the insurrection, what exactly Kevin McCarthy 0:06:07.080 --> 0:06:10.880 thought after the insurrection, And if they either one of 0:06:10.920 --> 0:06:18.359 them had control over right they're members, then they should 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:22.279 have circled the wagons on the Republican Party, regardless of 0:06:22.320 --> 0:06:26.440 how despicable I think that they are. And Alice Donald Trump, 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:32.440 like the Republicans could have solved their own fucking problem right, 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:36.120 and they could have recognized that, you know what, if 0:06:36.160 --> 0:06:41.240 we allowed this to persist outside of the primary, outside 0:06:41.440 --> 0:06:45.320 of you know, his first term, if we allowed this 0:06:45.440 --> 0:06:48.640 to persist, then our party is going to be beholden 0:06:48.680 --> 0:06:53.920 to this man, to his image for decades to come. 0:06:54.680 --> 0:06:57.880 They had a moment right where they could have said 0:06:57.920 --> 0:07:00.400 where Mitch McConnell could have laid down the fucking law 0:07:00.440 --> 0:07:04.880 and said, we are voting to impeach period. If you 0:07:04.960 --> 0:07:07.240 care about this country, if you care about the future 0:07:07.240 --> 0:07:10.360 of this party, that is what we are doing, right, 0:07:10.680 --> 0:07:13.520 and I'm going to ensure that we're able to cast 0:07:13.600 --> 0:07:17.200 this vote in secrecy if in fact, you are fearful 0:07:17.880 --> 0:07:20.320 for yourself, and I believe that the Democrats will go 0:07:20.320 --> 0:07:22.160 along with it. But this is what we need to do. 0:07:22.800 --> 0:07:27.600 There were so many avenues right for Republicans to actually 0:07:27.640 --> 0:07:30.360 do the right thing. But what we need to realize 0:07:30.440 --> 0:07:34.480 is that they had no desire to because Donald Trump 0:07:34.560 --> 0:07:36.520 is them and they are Donald Trump. And I keep 0:07:36.680 --> 0:07:41.920 listening to these analysts and reporters, you know, talk about, oh, 0:07:42.040 --> 0:07:46.200 Donald Trump is the leader of the party for now. Folks, 0:07:46.680 --> 0:07:51.800 you have a twice impeached, right criminal ass president that 0:07:52.040 --> 0:07:56.720 is under investigation in multiple states, where at least one 0:07:56.920 --> 0:08:00.640 still because the Manhattan da is chicken shit. So at 0:08:00.760 --> 0:08:06.560 least right you have the continuation of the investigation that 0:08:06.640 --> 0:08:09.360 is happening in Georgia. And maybe Merritt Garland is awake, 0:08:09.440 --> 0:08:13.440 maybe he's not. I'm assuming that Merritt Garland is still 0:08:13.440 --> 0:08:18.120 in a coma. But and this is the man that 0:08:18.240 --> 0:08:21.360 you continue to rally behind. So when folks say to me, 0:08:21.480 --> 0:08:24.120 he's the leader of the party for now, who do 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:26.080 you think the leader of the party is going to be? 0:08:27.080 --> 0:08:30.680 Right now? You know what I said earlier this week 0:08:31.400 --> 0:08:35.280 with regard to Rhonda Santis is what I believed over 0:08:35.320 --> 0:08:38.319 the weekend. I do think that Rhonda Santis is absolutely 0:08:38.360 --> 0:08:41.280 going to run for president regardless of if Donald Trump runs, 0:08:41.800 --> 0:08:44.840 and I think that the entire party will get behind 0:08:45.320 --> 0:08:51.199 the more cunning, politically savvy, and strategic Donald Trump, which 0:08:51.320 --> 0:08:56.600 is Rhonda Santist. And I think that if Rhonda Santists 0:08:56.640 --> 0:08:59.040 were to win, it would be a decision to allow 0:08:59.120 --> 0:09:02.880 Donald Trump to say that he's going to run, I'm 0:09:02.880 --> 0:09:04.720 gonna run, I'm gonna run, I'm gonna run, so that 0:09:04.760 --> 0:09:08.480 he can continue to grift off of his followers and 0:09:08.640 --> 0:09:13.079 then he will turn over the baton to Rhonda Santis. 0:09:13.080 --> 0:09:16.960 I only believe that he does that if there is 0:09:17.000 --> 0:09:19.560 no indictment that comes down, because the only way that 0:09:19.600 --> 0:09:22.920 Donald Trump could protect himself, and the only reason why 0:09:22.920 --> 0:09:24.880 he wanted to be president in the first fucking place, 0:09:25.040 --> 0:09:27.920 was so that he wouldn't he would be free from persecution. 0:09:29.120 --> 0:09:33.480 So the reality is is that all of this is 0:09:33.520 --> 0:09:37.520 one big grift. Whether you're Rhonda Santists and you know 0:09:37.800 --> 0:09:44.000 yunken in Virginia who are narrowing our public school curriculum 0:09:44.480 --> 0:09:48.320 in their state to a place where they're only bringing 0:09:48.320 --> 0:09:50.640 in one textbook, and it just so happens to be 0:09:50.679 --> 0:09:54.520 one that they're both financially and politically tied to. Whether 0:09:54.559 --> 0:09:57.520 it's that grift or whether it's the way that Donald 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:01.600 Trump used the Trump Hotel in Washington, DC as a 0:10:01.640 --> 0:10:06.840 revolving fucking door for foreign dignitaries as well as members 0:10:06.880 --> 0:10:11.760 of his own cabinet to throw their events right at cost. So, 0:10:12.760 --> 0:10:15.720 you know, folks, we look at all of these things 0:10:15.800 --> 0:10:21.520 and I am just struck by the fact that no 0:10:21.960 --> 0:10:28.520 political party in this country has any gravitas. The Republican 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:32.760 Party completely capitulated to Donald Trump, to Donald Trump's whims. 0:10:33.600 --> 0:10:37.960 The Democratic Party refuses to actually go to the lengths 0:10:38.000 --> 0:10:41.520 of standing up for our democracy and persecuting Donald Trump 0:10:41.559 --> 0:10:44.400 to the fullest extent of the law because they're afraid 0:10:44.400 --> 0:10:48.600 of the political pushback. I don't know which one is worse, 0:10:48.760 --> 0:10:51.400 to be honest, but right now I have such a 0:10:51.520 --> 0:10:56.800 distaste for Democrats, for the Democratic establishment for this reason, 0:10:57.720 --> 0:11:00.160 because you wouldn't be able to continue to refer to 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:01.959 Donald Trump as the head of the party if Donald 0:11:01.960 --> 0:11:07.040 Trump had been indicted, right because they can only guide 0:11:07.040 --> 0:11:10.000 this so fucking far, and if he's thrown in jail 0:11:10.120 --> 0:11:12.320 or on trial. You think that he's going to be 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:16.160 able to run for office? I don't think so, right. 0:11:17.400 --> 0:11:19.760 You think that if that is playing every single day 0:11:19.800 --> 0:11:23.319 on primetime television, that Donald Trump is going to get 0:11:23.320 --> 0:11:26.199 away with running for the presidency in twenty twenty four. 0:11:26.480 --> 0:11:29.680 And so again Democrats have his solve for their problem 0:11:29.920 --> 0:11:32.800 that they refuse to use because I don't want to 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:34.679 be I don't want to be seen by the people 0:11:34.679 --> 0:11:37.720 who hate me and literally would kill me, who say 0:11:37.760 --> 0:11:41.120 the most hot, disgusting shit about me. I don't want 0:11:41.160 --> 0:11:45.360 them to react. Well, guess what, folks, they're reacting anyway. 0:11:46.240 --> 0:11:51.000 So the question is what is your reaction going to be? Right? Like, 0:11:51.040 --> 0:11:55.080 are we just going to sit around, right and dick 0:11:55.120 --> 0:11:59.640 around until everything is gone, until we don't even recognize 0:12:00.160 --> 0:12:04.720 this country? Because I barely recognize it now. Right, Everything 0:12:04.760 --> 0:12:08.040 that I have loved, that I have worked for is 0:12:08.080 --> 0:12:11.360 pretty much gone or on its way out. And so 0:12:11.400 --> 0:12:13.959 how do you continue to have, like I keep talking 0:12:14.000 --> 0:12:17.200 about that mustard seat of hope when your own political 0:12:17.280 --> 0:12:21.520 party is acting like a bunch of punks and think 0:12:21.559 --> 0:12:24.280 that they're going to take the moral ground and like 0:12:24.400 --> 0:12:28.880 that's going to serve them it's not. So we need 0:12:28.920 --> 0:12:31.320 to figure out as a party who the fuck we 0:12:31.400 --> 0:12:33.800 want to be when we grow up and stop acting 0:12:33.840 --> 0:12:36.040 like a bunch of little kids. Stop acting like a 0:12:36.080 --> 0:12:38.480 bunch of toddlers that are afraid of the bully in 0:12:38.480 --> 0:12:42.400 the park. Right, you need to use every single weapon 0:12:42.480 --> 0:12:46.720 that you have at your disposal, right, the brilliant legal 0:12:46.760 --> 0:12:48.840 minds that are in this country, to look like you 0:12:48.880 --> 0:12:55.480 are fucking fighting. Otherwise we lose everything for good. Because 0:12:55.520 --> 0:12:58.480 I don't know of any country that has lost their 0:12:58.520 --> 0:13:01.520 democracy and then got it back within you know, a 0:13:01.640 --> 0:13:05.440 year or two. That shit takes decades, decades that we 0:13:05.520 --> 0:13:08.840 don't have and our kids shouldn't have to suffer through. 0:13:10.160 --> 0:13:14.440 Coming up next, my conversation with our in house doctor, 0:13:14.760 --> 0:13:23.000 doctor Jonathan Metzel, author of Dying of Whiteness. Friends, when 0:13:23.040 --> 0:13:26.840 it is Wednesday, I'm always so grateful to be joined 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:31.160 by our in house doctor, doctor Jonathan Metzel, author of 0:13:31.240 --> 0:13:33.640 Dying of Whiteness, which in fact, we are dying of 0:13:33.800 --> 0:13:39.840 each and every day in America since roughly twenty sixteen. Jonathan, 0:13:40.920 --> 0:13:43.199 biggest news this week? I mean, I don't know how 0:13:43.200 --> 0:13:46.160 we keep track because there's so much news every goddamn week. 0:13:46.600 --> 0:13:51.560 But big news this week that Elon Musk has made 0:13:51.559 --> 0:13:54.200 an offer to Twitter to buy it for forty four 0:13:54.400 --> 0:14:00.199 million dollars after the fact it still has to be 0:14:00.240 --> 0:14:02.960 approved by shareholders. It still has to be approved by 0:14:03.000 --> 0:14:06.800 the board, but everybody stands, including the CEO current CEO, 0:14:07.000 --> 0:14:15.319 to make hundreds of millions of dollars. However, right after 0:14:15.360 --> 0:14:19.840 the announcement was made, hashtag I'm leaving Twitter or Twitter 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:24.280 fail was trending on this site. And people are really 0:14:24.280 --> 0:14:30.400 concerned about Twitter turning into a cesspool of toxicity given 0:14:30.440 --> 0:14:32.920 the fact that Elon Musk is probably one of the 0:14:32.920 --> 0:14:37.040 biggest human trolls that I have seen. He's tweeted things 0:14:37.080 --> 0:14:41.920 like coronavirus is fake. He has tweeted things against the 0:14:42.040 --> 0:14:48.760 LGBTQ community, particularly charged challenging trans trans identity and trans 0:14:48.800 --> 0:14:54.160 people's existence by saying pronouns are bullshit. What do you 0:14:54.440 --> 0:14:58.480 make of folks reaction? And what is your reaction? Because 0:14:58.520 --> 0:15:02.200 both you and I are avid Twitter users for our 0:15:02.240 --> 0:15:05.080 work to lift up our voice, what do you make 0:15:05.280 --> 0:15:10.440 of this decision and how it honestly can potentially impact 0:15:10.520 --> 0:15:15.200 people's emotional and mental health on this platform that is 0:15:15.240 --> 0:15:18.760 already egregious in a lot of ways. Well, I've been 0:15:18.840 --> 0:15:21.520 dying to say this, and I couldn't say it in 0:15:21.600 --> 0:15:26.720 public before, But now I can say coronavirus is real. 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:32.200 And you know, I was blocked before people didn't listen 0:15:32.240 --> 0:15:34.440 to cardib But now I can just say that in public. 0:15:34.480 --> 0:15:36.240 I can say I can say anything I went to 0:15:36.240 --> 0:15:40.280 public because free speech, no one, no one, everybody has 0:15:40.320 --> 0:15:42.360 the right to free speech. I can also say that 0:15:42.920 --> 0:15:46.520 slavery was horrible for enslaved people. I couldn't say that before, 0:15:48.800 --> 0:15:50.680 but now we can say whatever we want. I think 0:15:50.680 --> 0:15:54.120 that gender fluidity is a logical response to a very 0:15:54.200 --> 0:15:57.320 uncertain world. I can say that everybody's going to embrace 0:15:57.400 --> 0:16:00.680 me for all these opinions. So there's all these things 0:16:00.720 --> 0:16:03.560 we can say now that we couldn't say before that 0:16:03.640 --> 0:16:06.960 I think are are great. You know, the binary system, 0:16:07.000 --> 0:16:09.640 that's just how our brains are devised. But it turns 0:16:09.640 --> 0:16:13.080 out the life world is non binary. So let's embrace 0:16:13.160 --> 0:16:16.240 non binary approaches, and so all these opinions are going 0:16:16.280 --> 0:16:22.280 to be celebrated I think by by the open. Yeah 0:16:22.360 --> 0:16:30.000 it's a total bunch of horseshit, obviously, Yeah, it's it's 0:16:30.040 --> 0:16:32.480 like free speech for who right, And so that's kind 0:16:32.480 --> 0:16:35.440 of the issue is like the people are yelling free 0:16:35.440 --> 0:16:38.680 speech are the same people who are trying to, like, um, 0:16:39.240 --> 0:16:41.560 are trying to like make figure out what you can 0:16:41.600 --> 0:16:44.880 teach in a college class, you know, or um, what 0:16:45.000 --> 0:16:47.600 you can talk about or whatever. Like I don't know, 0:16:47.680 --> 0:16:50.920 I just like this just the snarkiness and me like, 0:16:51.000 --> 0:16:53.720 I want to go write a book that's like, you know, 0:16:53.880 --> 0:16:57.520 Wanking with Wood by Pinocchio or something like that and 0:16:57.640 --> 0:17:00.480 sell it at disney World or something, you know, Like 0:17:00.520 --> 0:17:03.160 I I just like it's it's so the so the 0:17:03.160 --> 0:17:05.600 the bs ness of the world has never been on 0:17:05.720 --> 0:17:08.000 display more than right now. And so the question is 0:17:08.000 --> 0:17:12.679 like what do you do? And the irony is, you know, 0:17:12.880 --> 0:17:15.440 you and I like we love doing gloom like that's 0:17:15.440 --> 0:17:21.240 our thing, right, I mean I don't love it's not 0:17:21.440 --> 0:17:23.920 actually Okay now, I'm just kidding. There's a lot of 0:17:23.920 --> 0:17:27.840 people I like. I like light things. It so happens 0:17:27.840 --> 0:17:30.120 that we're living in the midst of the apocalypse, though, 0:17:30.600 --> 0:17:34.760 name one light thing you like. I like plants, Okay, 0:17:34.760 --> 0:17:38.000 when knows that I am a huge plant person. That's 0:17:38.000 --> 0:17:42.400 how I keep my sanity. Yeah, I mean I play 0:17:42.440 --> 0:17:44.520 softball weekend. I had a good soft I mean, I'm 0:17:44.560 --> 0:17:46.560 in a batting slump. So if any of our viewers 0:17:47.200 --> 0:17:50.360 have any yeah I can't I can't hit the ball 0:17:50.440 --> 0:17:52.639 right now. But but but let me just say what 0:17:52.680 --> 0:17:54.480 I was going to say is, you know, but I 0:17:54.520 --> 0:17:58.040 guess the point about doom and gloom is this um 0:17:58.040 --> 0:18:01.840 like there's a fanta see that things are unregulated. Like 0:18:01.880 --> 0:18:05.120 that's what's behind this whole Twitter fantasy and other fantasy. 0:18:05.280 --> 0:18:07.360 Is like if everybody just has a gun and an 0:18:07.359 --> 0:18:10.959 opinion and equal access to the conversation, the world's going 0:18:11.000 --> 0:18:13.800 to be a better place. And and really what it 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:19.160 means is that if everyone has has that really horrible 0:18:19.320 --> 0:18:23.159 oppressive ideologies rise to the top, and we end up 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:28.080 reinforcing hierarchies that are baked into the cake of the 0:18:28.320 --> 0:18:31.480 of the society and have been for you know, since, 0:18:31.920 --> 0:18:34.159 you know, for centuries now and stuff like that, and 0:18:34.160 --> 0:18:36.119 so in a way, what it does is just reaffies 0:18:36.640 --> 0:18:39.399 all the really bad shit and silences any kind of 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:43.280 protest or or or alternate way of being in a way, 0:18:43.320 --> 0:18:47.760 and so part of the issue is like something like 0:18:48.880 --> 0:18:51.880 Twitter need I mean, I was just thinking, how great 0:18:51.920 --> 0:18:54.600 would it be if there was a public utility that 0:18:54.760 --> 0:18:58.040 was based on letting people communicate and communicate with each 0:18:58.080 --> 0:19:00.760 other that was then also regulated to make sure there 0:19:00.760 --> 0:19:02.960 weren't threats or hate speech or other things that were 0:19:03.000 --> 0:19:08.520 like blatantly you know, blatantly un un Christian to be 0:19:08.640 --> 0:19:10.960 up on that and stuff like that. And so, M 0:19:11.200 --> 0:19:12.920 so that's kind of what we need. And and so 0:19:12.960 --> 0:19:15.760 I just think this idea of like everything being unregulated, 0:19:15.960 --> 0:19:17.520 I don't know, it just I grew up in a 0:19:17.520 --> 0:19:20.320 world where like libertarianism was always a thing, but it 0:19:20.400 --> 0:19:22.840 was it was a fringe thing. And the fact that 0:19:22.840 --> 0:19:27.639 we're like moving into libertarian not just communication, but health 0:19:27.720 --> 0:19:30.800 and self defense and everything else like that, it just 0:19:30.880 --> 0:19:34.240 it just seems to me like a slippery slope toward anarchy. 0:19:34.280 --> 0:19:39.040 And more than that, it reinforces, it reinforces the bad 0:19:39.119 --> 0:19:43.320 stuff that that regulation is designed to to keep people 0:19:43.320 --> 0:19:47.000 away from so they can live happy, productive lives. You know. 0:19:47.040 --> 0:19:48.720 One of the things that I have been thinking about 0:19:48.840 --> 0:19:52.880 since this news you know, dropped, because you know, one 0:19:54.119 --> 0:20:00.320 I had never Jonathan until last week experienced re really 0:20:00.440 --> 0:20:05.480 hurtful UM pushback on Twitter. And I mean that I 0:20:05.560 --> 0:20:11.239 had joined UM MSNBC Reverend Owl Show. And this was 0:20:11.600 --> 0:20:15.000 before when we thought that him buying Twitter was not 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.040 going to happen. And so for the first time, I'm 0:20:18.080 --> 0:20:20.679 speaking publicly about Elon Musk and how I think that 0:20:20.720 --> 0:20:23.400 he's a transphobe and a bigot and all of all 0:20:23.440 --> 0:20:26.000 of the things that he has put on display with 0:20:26.080 --> 0:20:30.639 his Twitter account and in interviews that he's given. And 0:20:31.400 --> 0:20:35.600 I got so much hate that and I you know, 0:20:35.640 --> 0:20:37.840 and it was and it was more than I'd ever 0:20:37.880 --> 0:20:42.080 gotten before. But I realized as I had, you know, 0:20:42.160 --> 0:20:46.159 a mini breakdown during the week, that wow, this was 0:20:46.240 --> 0:20:49.720 really hurtful, right, Like, and that's the point, right The 0:20:49.760 --> 0:20:51.760 point is to get at you. The point is to 0:20:51.880 --> 0:20:55.399 devalue you, to dehumanize you, and all of these things. 0:20:55.400 --> 0:20:58.000 And then with this sale moving forward, I'm just like, oh, 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:00.480 so is this going to be every day? Like? Is 0:21:00.480 --> 0:21:04.960 this going to be that one picture shot of what 0:21:05.119 --> 0:21:08.439 happened to me? By speaking out against Elon Musk and 0:21:08.520 --> 0:21:14.680 then apparently recognizing that, you know, white men love this 0:21:14.760 --> 0:21:17.840 man like he is some type of deity, right, I mean, 0:21:18.640 --> 0:21:20.879 the same way that they have this love affair with 0:21:20.960 --> 0:21:23.720 Donald Trump, like he gets to do whatever he wants. 0:21:23.760 --> 0:21:27.280 And I'm starting to realize that, you know, for right wingers, 0:21:27.320 --> 0:21:31.960 these conservative white cis gender men, whether or not there 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:35.240 they have any economic status at all, their desire in 0:21:35.320 --> 0:21:37.159 life is to be able to walk through it and 0:21:37.200 --> 0:21:40.919 do whatever the fuck they want without accountability. And Donald 0:21:40.960 --> 0:21:45.080 Trump and Elon Musk are the picture perfect examples of that, 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:48.000 which is funny because most of us believe that white 0:21:48.040 --> 0:21:50.280 men walk around and do whatever the fuck they want anyway, 0:21:51.119 --> 0:21:54.640 regardless of their fame or economic status. And so what 0:21:54.680 --> 0:21:57.960 do you think that it is that has people take 0:21:58.119 --> 0:22:01.880 up for the likes of a and a mosque? I mean, 0:22:01.920 --> 0:22:05.360 there's there's such a strong under and overcurrent of like, 0:22:06.320 --> 0:22:10.920 um giving voice to racial resentment in a way, and 0:22:10.960 --> 0:22:13.760 so the kind of sense of your aggrieved, you've been oppressed, 0:22:14.359 --> 0:22:17.879 you've been oppressed by villain the blank usually government or 0:22:19.600 --> 0:22:25.080 wokeness you know, or whatever the hellum, and and and 0:22:25.119 --> 0:22:27.439 so it kind of gives voice, It makes it okay. 0:22:27.680 --> 0:22:33.359 He kind of profits unimagined, unimaginably by giving voice to 0:22:33.480 --> 0:22:36.600 that aggrieved sense of kind of white victimhood. And I 0:22:36.600 --> 0:22:40.119 think that's that's that's kind of it, you know, and 0:22:40.160 --> 0:22:43.000 that that combines both those guys. I mean, I think 0:22:43.040 --> 0:22:47.000 in this case, but I mean, Jonathan, how is it 0:22:47.040 --> 0:22:49.960 that that that like rich white men are the ones 0:22:50.000 --> 0:22:54.399 that are giving voice to the victimhood, Like, isn't that ridiculous? No, 0:22:54.640 --> 0:22:57.000 the whole thing is absurd. And the thing is like like, 0:22:57.000 --> 0:23:00.119 like was Twitter really that regulated? Like people really he 0:23:00.200 --> 0:23:04.119 couldn't say, like, you know, they couldn't say winking with 0:23:04.119 --> 0:23:06.040 wood by Pinocchio. That was the one thing you couldn't 0:23:06.080 --> 0:23:08.280 say on Twitter. I'm just going to try to make 0:23:08.320 --> 0:23:12.200 that a profitable thing. But but but no, I think 0:23:12.200 --> 0:23:15.400 that you know, it wasn't that regulated, right, But finding 0:23:15.480 --> 0:23:18.480 like oh I'm oppressed by this fauci Is Hitler and 0:23:18.520 --> 0:23:19.879 all these kind of things, like you know, you just 0:23:20.000 --> 0:23:23.479 you find the thing that is oppressing your freedom and 0:23:23.520 --> 0:23:26.399 your liberty and then you blow that thing up. I 0:23:26.480 --> 0:23:30.080 mean it's a pretty standard thing, but it works, right, 0:23:30.119 --> 0:23:32.120 I Mean, they can see their works. Oh we're oppressed. 0:23:32.119 --> 0:23:34.440 We're oppressed by this thing that I didn't even know 0:23:34.480 --> 0:23:36.199 as a thing and I don't even encounter it at 0:23:36.240 --> 0:23:40.399 all in my daily life ever. But but but I 0:23:40.440 --> 0:23:44.560 think that narrative of like being aggrieved by the way 0:23:44.560 --> 0:23:47.080 the world is turning away from you is a pretty 0:23:47.160 --> 0:23:49.640 powerful thing for people who can articulate that pretty well. 0:23:49.680 --> 0:23:51.760 I mean, I I've certainly seen that in the stuff 0:23:51.800 --> 0:23:56.720 I do in my work, and yeah, so I think 0:23:56.720 --> 0:23:59.560 that's it. I don't think the content, I mean, consistency 0:23:59.640 --> 0:24:03.080 in the intent is not is not going to be. 0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:05.800 I mean, you know, we have a Jewish guy from 0:24:05.840 --> 0:24:09.399 South Africa and a guy who inherited a bunch of 0:24:09.440 --> 0:24:13.400 money from his dad, who was a Democrat supporting abortion 0:24:13.560 --> 0:24:15.920 and gun control until like fifteen years ago. Like, it's 0:24:15.960 --> 0:24:19.480 not like consistency is the message. It's more like people 0:24:19.480 --> 0:24:23.000 who give voice to that aggrieved sense can can pretty 0:24:23.040 --> 0:24:25.080 much get away with murder. And that that's kind of 0:24:25.080 --> 0:24:28.240 what we see. I mean literally, but let me ask you. 0:24:28.400 --> 0:24:30.399 Let me ask one thing, because like I don't I 0:24:30.400 --> 0:24:32.080 don't really care that much. But I lost a ton 0:24:32.119 --> 0:24:37.520 of Twitter followers overnight, I guess, And so are people 0:24:37.600 --> 0:24:40.640 quitting Twitter? Is it bots that are running? I think, 0:24:40.960 --> 0:24:45.000 I honestly, And and this was I asked like a 0:24:45.040 --> 0:24:47.960 couple of people because um Anna Navarro, like a lot 0:24:48.000 --> 0:24:50.760 of you know, folks who have hundreds of thousands of 0:24:50.800 --> 0:24:54.159 followers were tweeting that they had lost thousands. I lost 0:24:54.320 --> 0:24:58.640 I think to this point right now about three hundred 0:24:59.240 --> 0:25:01.840 and you know, and that's it's I think that it's 0:25:01.960 --> 0:25:06.159 bought sweeping. I think that it's really coincidental to have 0:25:06.600 --> 0:25:09.040 this announcement come out and then all of a sudden 0:25:09.080 --> 0:25:13.199 people are losing thousands or hundreds of you know, of followers. 0:25:13.359 --> 0:25:16.000 Is it just a regular bot sweeping. I have no idea, 0:25:16.160 --> 0:25:20.080 but I have I have been gaining followers, and so 0:25:20.400 --> 0:25:24.159 I haven't lost anyone that I was following, right So 0:25:24.400 --> 0:25:27.320 I think that it's just that it's it's really going 0:25:27.359 --> 0:25:29.280