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Speaker 1: What's up everybody?

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Speaker 2: Happy Saturday and welcome to Crush City territory. I'm Chandler Rome,

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Speaker 2: just joined as always by Tyler Stafford and a rare

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Speaker 2: Saturday appearance by both of us. Because the Astros decided

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Speaker 2: to get busy before the holiday season begins. They finally

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Speaker 2: did something. The person I texted telling I was bored

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Speaker 2: a couple of days ago got back to me Friday

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Speaker 2: morning and said, You're not going to be bored for

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Speaker 2: much longer. And I was not, because on Friday, the Astros,

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Speaker 2: Rays and Pirates swung a fascinating three team trade that

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Speaker 2: netted the Astros Mike Burrows this sort of picture that

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Speaker 2: they have sought all winter. A young, controllable starting pitcher.

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Speaker 2: Mike Burrows has six years of club control remaining as

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Speaker 2: he comes to the Astros. The Astros gave up Jacob

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Speaker 2: Melton and Anderson Brito, but they went to Tampa Bay

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Speaker 2: in the deal. So a lot of weirdness as to

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Speaker 2: like how this three team trade came about. Dana Brown

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Speaker 2: wasn't really specific when when he talked on Friday about

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Speaker 2: how they got the Raise into this whole situation. But

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Speaker 2: it doesn't really matter for our purposes, Tyler. Because the

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Speaker 2: Astros got they attacked their top priority. Their stated priority

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Speaker 2: of this offseason was to bolster the rotation. It was

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Speaker 2: to find a young, controllable starter that can be a

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Speaker 2: foundational piece maybe of future rotations.

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Speaker 1: And they found that Mike Burrows.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll give you credit. You sent down an I

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Speaker 3: board text and you got a three way trade out

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Speaker 3: of it. So way to go, Chandler. Yeah, I mean

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Speaker 3: the Astros needed pitching. Seems like exactly what they needed

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Speaker 3: now hypothetically for someone who has been with children for

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Speaker 3: the last forty eight hours. Who is Mike Burrows.

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Speaker 2: So Mike Burrows is a twenty six year old fellah

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Speaker 2: turned twenty six in November, so happy belated birthday to

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Speaker 2: him was eleventh.

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Speaker 1: He was an eleventh round pick of the Pirates in

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Speaker 1: twenty eighteen. The Pirates have the Pirates are not very good.

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Speaker 2: They're actually kind of all att But the one thing

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Speaker 2: they do have they have a ton of They have

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Speaker 2: surplus young pitching. They have a lot of very good, young,

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Speaker 2: controllable major league starting pitchers. Paul Skeenes obviously we know

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Speaker 2: about him, but they've got Mitch Keller, They've got Graham Ashcraft,

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Speaker 2: They've got Bubba Chandler, they had Joann Ovido, who they

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Speaker 2: used in the Red Sox trade to get the Password

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Speaker 2: Kid to come play outfield for them. So they needed

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Speaker 2: to improve their lineup. So in order to do that,

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Speaker 2: they get they acquired Brandon Lao from the Rays in

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Speaker 2: this three team trade. But the whole goal for the

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Speaker 2: Astros was to get Mike Burrows. Mike Burrows with someone

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Speaker 2: that they had identified at the winter meetings. Even probably

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Speaker 2: before the Winter meetings, they had Mike Burrows on their

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Speaker 2: sense for them. I will say this, within I'd say

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Speaker 2: fifteen minutes of the news getting out there that the

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Speaker 2: Astros had come to that the Astros had agreed to

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Speaker 2: this and it was in medicals and it was getting done,

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Speaker 2: I got.

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Speaker 1: A text from someone that I trust.

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Speaker 2: That is in that is not affiliated with any of

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Speaker 2: these three teams, but is in a front office elsewhere,

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Speaker 2: and all they said was I love Capital l O

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Speaker 2: ve Mike Burrows.

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Speaker 1: So you know, asked why that is.

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Speaker 2: This is a person that is on the analytics side,

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Speaker 2: deals in R and D, deals in kind of pitch

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Speaker 2: than maybe gut feel and on field stuff. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I asked why this person loved Mike Burrows so much,

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Speaker 2: and I put the quote in a story I wrote

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Speaker 2: in The Athletic last night, so I'll read it out

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Speaker 2: loud here. He says he has plus command of a

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Speaker 2: His change up in twelve six curveball make him extremely

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Speaker 2: pitchable to lefties. He was a reverse splits guy. Lefties

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Speaker 2: did nothing against him last year. Right he's he had

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Speaker 1: I have a guess, yep.

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Speaker 2: But said his change up in twelve six curveball make

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Speaker 2: out there to be done. But Mike Burrows did throw

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Speaker 2: ninety six big league innings last year. He threw one

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Speaker 1: They probably wanted.

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Speaker 2: To baby him a little bit, but Dana Brown said

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Speaker 2: on the Astros on the Zoom call yesterday with reporters

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Speaker 2: that they would be very happy if they can get

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Speaker 2: around one hundred and sixty productive innings from Mike Burrows

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Speaker 2: this season.

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Speaker 1: That's kind of who he is. Doesn't walk guys.

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Speaker 2: I think he's walked like two point eight guys per

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Speaker 2: nine innings in his big league career. He throws strikes,

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Speaker 2: the command is there the velo, he can get it

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Speaker 1: Probably not.

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Speaker 2: But the person I referenced earlier that I was talking to,

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Speaker 2: they said that, you know, if he gets in and

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Speaker 2: the projectability, he sees him as an average to and

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Speaker 2: above average major league starter for a very long time,

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Speaker 2: which is really you know what the Astros need at

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean one hundred and sixty innings out of

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Speaker 3: anybody is like you sign up for that from from anybody?

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Speaker 3: That would be great. And he saw has six years

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Speaker 3: of team control, so I mean this is essentially a

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Speaker 3: prospect swap, Like, yeah, he had a year in the

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Speaker 3: big leagues, but he's got six years of team control left.

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Speaker 3: You know, you're you're essentially swapping two of your prospects

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Speaker 3: for another prospect. But this prospect has already thrown one

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Speaker 3: that's what the Astros need right now, I think. I mean,

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Speaker 3: you know, it's it's hard to weigh a trade where

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Speaker 3: it's like, well, what could this package have gotten you elsewhere?

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Speaker 3: But I mean, if you told me that you can

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Speaker 3: trade Jacob Melton, a guy who you know has a

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Speaker 3: lot of upside, but look, he's he's not there's not

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Speaker 3: a path for him to play in Houston with Jake

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Speaker 3: You're not a real prospect to me, Like I just

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Speaker 3: pitching prospects are not real and until they get to

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Speaker 3: Forrest Whitley, look at anybody you want to like. That

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Speaker 3: not a real prospect yet. And so that one that's

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Speaker 3: a that's a throw in. You might see him five

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Speaker 3: be different by the time that he is playing major

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Speaker 3: League Baseball. So you basically swapped a guy that you

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Speaker 3: weren't going to be able to use anyway in Jacob

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Speaker 3: Melton and got six years of a good pitcher. A

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Speaker 3: good trade to me. And you'll notice, I don't know,

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Speaker 3: maybe how are your mentions? What was the general vibe

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Speaker 3: of people in the mentions? Because I have a theory here.

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Speaker 1: Well, first, if you're watching this on YouTube, remember like

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Speaker 1: the video. Like the video. Like the video. It helps

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Speaker 1: us a lot. I'm going to ask you please, please

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Speaker 1: please like the video. That's all you have to do.

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Speaker 2: The interesting dichotomy or juxtaposition of this deal was, you know,

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Speaker 2: the reporting got out and it got broken that you know,

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Speaker 2: this deal was in the works. They were talking about it,

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Speaker 2: and like we did that Chandler ken Rosenthal and I.

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Speaker 1: Had we had a good day yesterday out there you go.

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Speaker 2: But so we got the news out there that this

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Speaker 2: Rosenthal the goat broke about twenty minutes later that the

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Speaker 2: Orioles were going to acquire Shane boss And as we

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Speaker 2: talked about a couple of weeks ago, Tyler, Shane Boz

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Speaker 2: was someone that the Astros had identified as a target.

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Speaker 1: They had a ton of significant interest in him.

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Speaker 2: And then you looked at what the Baltimore Orioles gave

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Speaker 2: up to get Shane Boz. They gave up four prospects

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Speaker 2: in addition to the number thirty three overall pick in

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Speaker 3: And g yeah, no, thank you.

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Speaker 1: That that shows a couple things.

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Speaker 3: One alis what like three years of control left?

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Speaker 2: Like right, So Shane Boz has three years of team

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Speaker 2: control left. Granted, Shane Boz has a far more extensive

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Speaker 2: and more established major league track record than Mike Burrows,

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Speaker 2: which drove his price up. But it should just go

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Speaker 2: to show you that the prices on the trade market

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Speaker 3: To the point he doesn't have that much more of

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Speaker 3: a track record, like he really does. I mean, he

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Speaker 3: innings last season. And that's it. But now you get

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Speaker 3: if that's what you're gonna have to give up, I

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Speaker 2: So yeah, I will say this about Boz. If you

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Speaker 2: go look at his splits at Steinbrenner Field, which is

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Speaker 2: He was not probably he was victimized heavily by pitching

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Speaker 2: in a minor league ballpark last season. His stats away

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Speaker 2: Boz was a He's a first round pick, like he's

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Speaker 2: got front line, like the level stuff like he is.

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Speaker 2: He's got a way higher ceiling than Mike Burrows and

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Speaker 2: is certainly has a more extensive major league track record,

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Speaker 2: which is why he costs more money. You know, Mike

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Speaker 2: Burrows for as good as the Ashers think he is

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Speaker 2: I don't think if you hook anyone up to truth serum,

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Speaker 2: they'd say, this is a future ACE, this is a

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Speaker 3: People say that you didn't you didn't pay future ACE money,

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Speaker 3: you didn't pay future prospects.

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Speaker 1: That's I'm getting to, right.

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Speaker 2: So I think initially Astras fans, before they saw what

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Speaker 2: think initially Astra's fans were a little bit like, oh, well,

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Speaker 2: you know, we we you know, they fans grow attached

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Speaker 2: to prospects. They saw Anderson Burritos strike out the world

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Speaker 2: in the Arizona Fall League. They've heard everyone say how

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Speaker 2: great Jacob Melton is in Triple A, and you know,

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Speaker 2: that's the prices going around, if that's the market standard,

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Speaker 3: Yeah. No, I mean, look, you you only have twenty

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Speaker 3: Like if he does not improve at all from what

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Speaker 2: Should be noted to the Ashers got an up close

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Speaker 1: But it's funny that you mentioned.

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Speaker 3: A handful of He introduced it last year but didn't

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Speaker 3: Savan is the coolest website in the world. But specifically

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Speaker 3: But they don't have more like prospect, Ammo really to

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Speaker 3: You know. Now, now you can just go get who

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Speaker 3: It's nothing like the murcrib. It's delicious. The milkcrib is disgusting.

434
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Speaker 3: You people are freaks that like the McRib. But so anyway,

435
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Speaker 3: I went and got that. So I got some Taco

436
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Speaker 3: Bell in this trades honor, and that was a good

437
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Speaker 3: start as well to my day.

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Speaker 2: You know, I kind of disagree that they're the I

439
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Speaker 2: kind of disagree that they're Like I'm gonna sit on it,

440
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Speaker 2: like I think they're I.

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Speaker 3: Don't think they're going to I'm just saying like if

442
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Speaker 3: they did, it's not like a disaster, you know what

443
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Speaker 3: I mean, Like, yeah, they're they're gonna do something. But

444
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Speaker 3: I'm saying that the season started today. You're not like

445
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Speaker 3: panicking that you're not ready for the season.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Like Dana Brown has professor, Like somebody got a

447
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Speaker 2: hold of Dana Brown from his first year here to

448
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Speaker 2: now his fourth year here, and has turned him into

449
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Speaker 2: the master of just GM talk of talking, size of

450
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Speaker 2: his mouth, saying absolutely nothing. He got asked all the

451
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Speaker 2: questions yesterday that I know all fans are clamoring forwards.

452
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Speaker 2: I asked him about the the infield, like whether he

453
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Speaker 2: has moved off that stance of not trading from his infield.

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Speaker 2: He was asked about you know what moving Jacob Melton

455
00:25:06,600 --> 00:25:10,639
Speaker 2: means for Jake Myers and basically said, you know, we

456
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Speaker 2: love these guys, but we're not taking anything off the table,

457
00:25:13,200 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 2: and in one breath would say like we're always open

458
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Speaker 2: for business, like we're open for anything, and then would

459
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Speaker 2: follow that up with but you know, if we go

460
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Speaker 2: into spring training with all five of these infielders, then

461
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Speaker 2: I'm gonna feel great about it, Like then we've got

462
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Speaker 2: a plan for it. So no real answers other than

463
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Speaker 2: the fact that Dana made it pretty clear that they're

464
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Speaker 2: not done, that they're not This was not the extent

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Speaker 2: of their off season.

466
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Speaker 1: I think, Tyler, they do have enough ammo to go

467
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Speaker 1: make another trade.

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Speaker 2: I don't think, and that's why what I just said

469
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Speaker 2: about the redundancy of the two prospects they gave up

470
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Speaker 2: in Brito and Melton, Like, I don't think for the

471
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. Could you have to remember like how

472
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Speaker 2: Dana Brown is navigating this right like he's in the

473
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Speaker 2: final year of his contract, Like he doesn't care so

474
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Speaker 2: much right now about the twenty twenty eight and the

475
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty nine Astros, like he cares about building the

476
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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six Astros.

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Speaker 3: To be clear, I don't care about those teams either.

478
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Speaker 1: Well neither of his Dana.

479
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Speaker 2: So yeah, Jacob Melton was not in their minds at

480
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Speaker 2: least and what we've heard them say from their organizational position,

481
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Speaker 2: Jacob Melton was not going to be a substantial difference

482
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Speaker 2: maker on the twenty twenty six Astros.

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Speaker 3: Correct.

484
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Speaker 2: Anderson Brito just turned twenty one years old. He's never

485
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Speaker 2: pitched above high A. Sure, like Jake Bloss once upon

486
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Speaker 2: a time made a start after starting the year in

487
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Speaker 2: low A, but that was an extenuating circumstance. Like Anderson,

488
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Speaker 2: Brito was not going to be a major factor into

489
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Speaker 2: the twenty twenty six Ashers. So from that standpoint, the

490
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Speaker 2: Ashers didn't do anything on Friday that I feel like

491
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Speaker 2: really made them hurt for twenty twenty six, which is

492
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Speaker 2: why you know they still have enough to where the

493
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Speaker 2: they could make a trade that hurts more in twenty

494
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Speaker 2: twenty six. Like I'm talking Paratus, I'm talking Walker, I'm

495
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Speaker 2: talking Myers. They could trade one of those guys who,

496
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Speaker 2: as we speak right now, would have a significant role

497
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Speaker 2: in the twenty twenty six astros. They can trade one

498
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:18,520
Speaker 2: of those guys along with some other guys maybe in

499
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:21,000
Speaker 2: their farm systems, some guys that are blocked, some guys

500
00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:25,280
Speaker 2: that you know they they don't see roles for, and

501
00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:28,160
Speaker 2: they've still got enough ammo to go out and make

502
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Speaker 2: another trade for maybe a more established pitcher, maybe a

503
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Speaker 2: more established person or player that has more extensive track

504
00:27:37,359 --> 00:27:39,960
Speaker 2: record than Mike Burrows, but maybe doesn't have as much

505
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,679
Speaker 2: team control left. Like you're paying for what they've done

506
00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:48,080
Speaker 2: instead of what they could do. So I think if

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Speaker 2: given their druthers, I think they'd like to add another

508
00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:54,440
Speaker 2: starting picture. I think I think that is I think

509
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Speaker 2: organizationally that is what they are talking about.

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Speaker 1: I think that is. I think they would like.

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Speaker 2: A solid number two or three as someone that has

512
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Speaker 2: done it before, someone that has a little bit more

513
00:28:08,160 --> 00:28:12,000
Speaker 2: experience at the major league level than Mike Burrows. So

514
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Speaker 2: you know, is that I can't start to give you

515
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:18,399
Speaker 2: names because I don't know. I don't think it comes

516
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Speaker 2: on the free agent market because the prices remained very,

517
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Speaker 2: very high. I still think if they can swing a

518
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Speaker 2: trade with another team for a more established number two

519
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Speaker 2: or three starter to slot right behind Hunter Brown or

520
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Speaker 2: maybe you know, right behind Hunter Brown and Christian Hovier, like,

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Speaker 2: I think that would be their goal.

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Speaker 1: I think that would be their their intention.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, what I meant by that was that it's not

524
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Speaker 3: going to be a prospect for up and coming pitching product. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's gonna be a guy with you know, one or

526
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Speaker 3: two years of control that you can count on for

527
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Speaker 3: this year. You're gonna have to give up Jake Myers

528
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Speaker 3: or Esoc Bratti's or Christian Walker in addition to you know,

529
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Speaker 3: some lottery ticket guys. I didn't know you could trade picks.

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Speaker 1: Yeah you can do that. Yeah you can.

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Speaker 2: I think you can only trade the competitive that. I

532
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Speaker 2: need to look it up, but yeah, you can trade

533
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Speaker 2: draft picks.

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Speaker 3: Now she'll be able to trade all draft picks. That'd

535
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Speaker 3: be fun, I mean chaos.

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Speaker 1: But I mean, the chaos is fun.

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Speaker 3: I know, why can't you who cares?

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Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah, I don't really, Yeah, I don't know, but

539
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Speaker 2: you can trade. I still think the rule is and

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Speaker 2: again I should know this, I should google it very quickly,

541
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Speaker 2: but I don't have time. I don't think you can

542
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Speaker 2: trade like standard picks like in one like the Ashers

543
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Speaker 2: are picking seventeenth next year.

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Speaker 1: I don't think they can trade the seventheen. They can't.

545
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Speaker 1: They can't trade.

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Speaker 2: What's seventeenth plus, like they can't trade their second round pick.

547
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Speaker 2: But they could trade the Hunter Brown PPI pick because

548
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Speaker 2: it's in a com round. They could trade the from

549
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Speaker 2: er Veldez qualifying off or pick because it's in the

550
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Speaker 2: comp round like, they could do that now. I don't

551
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Speaker 2: think this team is going to be in the market

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Speaker 2: of giving away draft picks, given where their farm system stands,

553
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Speaker 2: given what they just did to further deplete their farm system,

554
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Speaker 2: I don't think that would be their goal. But you know, yes,

555
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Speaker 2: the draft pick thing was interesting.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: I cannot get over the Orioles give up so much

558
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Speaker 2: for Shane Bos and the Orioles can do that because

559
00:30:31,760 --> 00:30:35,520
Speaker 2: their farm system is absolutely loaded. So the Astros do not.

560
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Speaker 2: They don't have that issue. They do not have a

561
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Speaker 2: loaded fun I as someone told me yesterday, like the

562
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Speaker 2: Astros could not have even attempted to match that package.

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Speaker 3: And I'm not I'm not matching that for Shane Boz

564
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Speaker 3: like no offense, but I don't. I don't want could

565
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Speaker 3: be top of the rotation guy. Like if I if

566
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Speaker 3: I'm trading for somebody, you better all Eddie b if

567
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Speaker 3: I'm paying that much for somebody, you better be that

568
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:09,320
Speaker 3: good this year again in the Astros situation, because that's

569
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Speaker 3: they care about this year specifically. They've got an aging core,

570
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Speaker 3: they've got people that are going to be free agents

571
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Speaker 3: in a couple of years, Like they need to win

572
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Speaker 3: now and they can figure out what to do in

573
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Speaker 3: twenty twenty nine when that fake year gets here. You

574
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Speaker 3: know that's that's not a real year yet.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And I think we sort of hinted at this earlier.

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Speaker 2: But the one thing that and the reinforcing the reason

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Speaker 2: why I think the Astras also need to still keep

578
00:31:45,000 --> 00:31:48,680
Speaker 2: exploring the starting pitching market. Like we said, Mike Burrows

579
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Speaker 2: throw one hundred and twenty eight and the third innings

580
00:31:50,600 --> 00:31:55,240
Speaker 2: last year between the major leagues and tripa A he's

581
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Speaker 2: never thrown more than ninety five innings in any other

582
00:31:57,760 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 2: professional season should be known. As we will continue to reiterate,

583
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Speaker 2: Mike Burrows is now only the second pitcher on the

584
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Speaker 2: Houston staff to throw more than eighty six innings in

585
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Speaker 2: the Big leagues last year. The other one is Under Brown.

586
00:32:12,760 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: So they still have a workload question mark. Like Dana

587
00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:20,280
Speaker 2: Brown can can say one hundred and sixty innings from

588
00:32:20,320 --> 00:32:22,680
Speaker 2: Mike Burrows would be great, but saying that's one thing

589
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:26,840
Speaker 2: him actually doing is he's never done that. So I

590
00:32:26,920 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 2: still think they've given themselves a lot of insurance in

591
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Speaker 2: Ryan Weiss, friend of the Pod, and Nate Pearson, also

592
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Speaker 2: friend of the Pod. I think there is a thought

593
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Speaker 2: in the organization that one or both of them could

594
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Speaker 2: end up in the bullpen, That they could end up

595
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Speaker 2: as Brad Peacock types swing man.

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Speaker 3: Maybe the guy who is exclusively pitched from the bullpen

597
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Speaker 3: in his entire big league career might end up in

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Speaker 3: the bullpen.

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Speaker 1: Nate Pearson sure, sure, yeah.

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Speaker 2: But like again, as we've talked about ad nauseum here

601
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Speaker 2: usually about aj blueball, like they're going to stretch them

602
00:32:58,240 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: out in spring training because there's no harm in stretching

603
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,760
Speaker 2: these guys out as starters, and then you read and

604
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Speaker 2: react once spring training's over, and that's when you, you know,

605
00:33:07,840 --> 00:33:11,080
Speaker 2: make your decisions. But I think they could get to

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Speaker 2: a point where if they add another starter, if they

607
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,360
Speaker 2: add another established starter, you look at a you look

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Speaker 2: at a five someme or what's a five some?

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Speaker 1: A quartet? No, A quartet's four you got it, A quintet, quintet,

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Speaker 1: got it.

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Speaker 2: You can look at a quintet of Hunter Brown, Christian Xavier,

612
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Speaker 2: Mike Burrows, insert other starter acquired and Spencer Arraghetti and

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Speaker 2: like that's a that's a pretty compelling five man rotation.

614
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Speaker 2: Like that's and you've got enough depth, And you know,

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Speaker 2: if you want to go to a six man, you've

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Speaker 2: got Ryan Weiss. You know early in the season.

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Speaker 1: I haven't.

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Speaker 2: I don't have the schedule in front of me with

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Speaker 2: what their off days look like. But they always have

620
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Speaker 2: stretches where they like being in six man rotations. Dana

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Speaker 2: Brown has said numerous times that he likes deploying a

622
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Speaker 2: six man rotation, so you could even think of it

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Speaker 2: as a six man rotation. Ad Ryan Ice to the back,

624
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Speaker 2: and you've got six starters, and then you've got Nate

625
00:34:03,800 --> 00:34:06,719
Speaker 2: Pearson stretched out to where he can come in and

626
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,879
Speaker 2: be kind of a hybrid, you know, bullpen, long man,

627
00:34:10,040 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 2: swingman kind of guy, and then you've got.

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Speaker 1: Your traditional relievers.

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Speaker 2: Like it's never a bad idea to have a ton

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Speaker 2: of depth. Because I even saw there was a comment

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Speaker 2: on there's a comment on my story last night and

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Speaker 2: it was funny, and the other commenters have done the

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Speaker 2: job for me. But basically, this, this reader and subscriber

634
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Speaker 2: who I'm very happy subscribes, please subscribe to the Athletic

635
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Speaker 2: listed all of like he listed all the starting pitchers,

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Speaker 2: you know, the six I just listed, plus you know

637
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Speaker 2: Lance mccullors, Jason Alexander, aj blue Ball, all these Hayden

638
00:34:46,320 --> 00:34:49,080
Speaker 2: was Nesky and Renald Blanco whenever they get back, And

639
00:34:49,400 --> 00:34:51,120
Speaker 2: basically he listed all these guys and was like, I

640
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:55,200
Speaker 2: think we have too much starting pitching. Such thing there

641
00:34:55,280 --> 00:34:58,359
Speaker 2: is no such thing, because I think we said that,

642
00:34:58,719 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 2: or I think that was maybe talked about last year too,

643
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,359
Speaker 2: as like, oh, where are they going to find endings

644
00:35:02,360 --> 00:35:02,919
Speaker 2: for these guys?

645
00:35:02,960 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 1: And then you know, midway.

646
00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,960
Speaker 2: Through July you're scrambling to find Jason Alexander and Brandon

647
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Speaker 2: Walter off the scrap heap to start start games for you,

648
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Speaker 2: to start meaningful games for you. I think this is

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00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:17,919
Speaker 2: why you do this too, because I mean they had

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Speaker 2: Jason Alexander, who no offense to Jason Alexander was a

651
00:35:21,239 --> 00:35:23,359
Speaker 2: godsend for this team for two months last year. But

652
00:35:23,440 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 2: like he started on Sunday Night baseball with the American

653
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:32,200
Speaker 2: League West on the line against Seattle Mariners, like you want,

654
00:35:32,600 --> 00:35:35,480
Speaker 2: like you want someone a little more established, you want

655
00:35:35,520 --> 00:35:39,000
Speaker 2: someone with a little higher ceiling, with higher with better stuff.

656
00:35:39,080 --> 00:35:42,040
Speaker 2: And like they're guarding against and I think this is

657
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:45,480
Speaker 2: proven to them. They are guarding against just what has

658
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,880
Speaker 2: become inevitable, and that is that pitchers get hurt. That

659
00:35:47,920 --> 00:35:51,880
Speaker 2: pitchers get hurt, pictures miss time. It's not necessarily Tommy John,

660
00:35:52,120 --> 00:35:56,360
Speaker 2: it's not necessarily flexor tendon. It's not necessarily season ending surgeries.

661
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:59,120
Speaker 2: But you know, they wake up in their shoulders hurt,

662
00:35:59,200 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 2: they wake up in their elbows hurt, and they get hit.

663
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:04,799
Speaker 3: With the line drive and batting practice, right.

664
00:36:04,640 --> 00:36:07,600
Speaker 2: Like, pitchers get hurt, and they've got a guard against it.

665
00:36:07,680 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 2: And I think they want to make sure that I again,

666
00:36:13,200 --> 00:36:16,560
Speaker 2: I really, really don't think even though we have talked

667
00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 2: about it since the day the season ended, I really

668
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 2: don't think there's enough appreciation for how difficult it's going

669
00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:26,680
Speaker 2: to be to replace from Erveldez his innings, because not

670
00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:29,879
Speaker 2: only did like the volume of innings is one thing,

671
00:36:29,920 --> 00:36:32,080
Speaker 2: Like replacing a guy that could roll out of bed

672
00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:33,759
Speaker 2: and throw one hundred and ninety five innings a year,

673
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 2: that's one thing. Like he gave you volume and performance

674
00:36:38,440 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 2: like it was above it was one hundred and ninety

675
00:36:41,440 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 2: five above league average innings.

676
00:36:44,320 --> 00:36:46,560
Speaker 3: Yeah, hot take, that's why he's going to make two

677
00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:49,080
Speaker 3: hundred million dollars. He's really good.

678
00:36:49,239 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: Right, That's hard to replace.

679
00:36:51,360 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 2: And the Astros, in my opinion, they're being prudent of

680
00:36:54,120 --> 00:36:57,840
Speaker 2: giving giving themselves a lot of options, of giving themselves

681
00:36:57,880 --> 00:37:01,160
Speaker 2: a lot of places where are not loading up.

682
00:37:01,080 --> 00:37:02,480
Speaker 1: On guys that can only go one inning.

683
00:37:02,480 --> 00:37:05,040
Speaker 2: They're not loading up like I think the Ryan Weiss

684
00:37:05,040 --> 00:37:08,440
Speaker 2: and the Nate Pearson signings are evidence of that. Like

685
00:37:10,280 --> 00:37:14,840
Speaker 2: at full strength, those guys probably trend toward bullpen arms

686
00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,520
Speaker 2: at full strength, but a how many times?

687
00:37:18,280 --> 00:37:19,600
Speaker 1: How many times is this team going to be at

688
00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:20,200
Speaker 1: full strength?

689
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,960
Speaker 3: Like and you gotta you gotta keep finding people. Look,

690
00:37:24,000 --> 00:37:25,960
Speaker 3: you need four of these guys to work out. You know,

691
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:27,280
Speaker 3: Hunter Brown's gonna be fine.

692
00:37:27,920 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: I mean, do you knock on wood somewhere you don't know,

693
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,480
Speaker 1: there's not any picture.

694
00:37:32,440 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 3: No, but you you know you have four rotation spots

695
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:41,920
Speaker 3: that you gotta find good pictures four and you it's

696
00:37:42,040 --> 00:37:44,960
Speaker 3: it's better to have twelve of them and hope that

697
00:37:45,040 --> 00:37:47,400
Speaker 3: four of them work out than to have five of

698
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 3: them and hope that four of them work out. So

699
00:37:49,760 --> 00:37:52,520
Speaker 3: you just keep acquiring guys. And that's also why having

700
00:37:52,640 --> 00:37:56,360
Speaker 3: multiple years of team control is important, because you know,

701
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:01,000
Speaker 3: Mike Burrows twist's ankle walk into the mound in the

702
00:38:01,040 --> 00:38:04,359
Speaker 3: first week of the season. That's okay, you have other

703
00:38:04,400 --> 00:38:08,080
Speaker 3: guys You're not You're not putting your season on. Is

704
00:38:08,160 --> 00:38:11,440
Speaker 3: Mike Burrows the answer for the whole year? And he

705
00:38:11,480 --> 00:38:14,279
Speaker 3: didn't pay for that either, because you weren't thinking that

706
00:38:14,360 --> 00:38:19,280
Speaker 3: Jacob Melton was your answer for the whole season. Now listen,

707
00:38:19,360 --> 00:38:21,839
Speaker 3: Jacob Melton is no longer on the Astros. I wish

708
00:38:21,880 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 3: him the best of luck. I do want to point

709
00:38:24,960 --> 00:38:31,720
Speaker 3: this out for just for fun for everybody. So last season,

710
00:38:31,840 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: Jacob Melton took just over seventy played appearances. Would you

711
00:38:40,760 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 3: like to take a guess at the second highest ground

712
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:51,600
Speaker 3: ball rate among hitters last season? Well, what do you

713
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:56,040
Speaker 3: think the second highest was? Just give me a number.

714
00:38:56,480 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 3: Six sixty three percent ground ball rate at seventy played

715
00:39:01,320 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 3: appearances and up. I know that's a low stat number there,

716
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:10,200
Speaker 3: but that's all Jacob Meltin played, So sixty three and

717
00:39:10,239 --> 00:39:14,000
Speaker 3: a half percent ground ball rate by a gentleman named

718
00:39:14,000 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 3: Blake Dunn for the Reds. Jacob Melton had an eighty

719
00:39:20,400 --> 00:39:25,680
Speaker 3: point five percent ground ball rate, way way higher than

720
00:39:25,719 --> 00:39:29,080
Speaker 3: anyone else. He's super fast, he can beat out a

721
00:39:29,120 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 3: lot of those. But again, that's not a guy that

722
00:39:31,000 --> 00:39:35,160
Speaker 3: you're circling. Is like, this guy's going to change the

723
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,600
Speaker 3: twenty twenty six season. He may figure it out and

724
00:39:38,640 --> 00:39:40,640
Speaker 3: he may be really good in a couple of years,

725
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:46,200
Speaker 3: but you were not counting on him in any sort

726
00:39:46,239 --> 00:39:48,280
Speaker 3: of way for this season.

727
00:39:48,960 --> 00:39:52,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, this was a trade to make the twenty twenty

728
00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 2: six Astros better, and within by doing it, you gave

729
00:39:57,520 --> 00:40:00,439
Speaker 2: yourself the upside and the potential that you you made

730
00:40:01,040 --> 00:40:04,640
Speaker 2: the twenty seven, twenty nine, thirty and thirty one Astros

731
00:40:04,680 --> 00:40:07,160
Speaker 2: better too, because Mike Burrows again you have six years

732
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 2: of club control on him. So you gave yourself, what

733
00:40:10,920 --> 00:40:13,400
Speaker 2: Dana Brown said yesterday, you gave yourself a guy that

734
00:40:13,600 --> 00:40:16,719
Speaker 2: could be a pillar of your rotation. He's gonna be

735
00:40:16,719 --> 00:40:19,560
Speaker 2: a pillar of your rotation in twenty twenty six. Probably not,

736
00:40:20,080 --> 00:40:22,200
Speaker 2: but he's a better option in the twenty twenty six

737
00:40:22,360 --> 00:40:26,000
Speaker 2: rotation than the current group of candidates you had to

738
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,600
Speaker 2: put in there. So I don't think they're done. I

739
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 2: think they need to. They certainly need a backup catcher.

740
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,040
Speaker 2: Dana Brown talked yesterday about maybe some bullpen help, but

741
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 2: I think I think they're still going to remain focused

742
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:44,840
Speaker 2: on finding another starting pitcher, finding someone that maybe closes

743
00:40:44,880 --> 00:40:49,280
Speaker 2: the gap between Hunter Brown and the rest of the rotation.

744
00:40:50,160 --> 00:40:52,760
Speaker 2: I'm not saying they're going to go out and trade

745
00:40:52,800 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 2: for someone that is Hunter Brown or someone that is

746
00:40:55,719 --> 00:40:58,839
Speaker 2: like an ace of Hunter Brown's standing, but I.

747
00:40:58,800 --> 00:41:01,040
Speaker 3: Think there is there an that looks a lot like

748
00:41:01,120 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 3: Hunter Brown out there on the market that they could

749
00:41:03,160 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 3: go get someone who pitches almost exactly like Hunter Brown

750
00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:11,839
Speaker 3: on the market somewhere that's available. He wants money, and

751
00:41:12,280 --> 00:41:15,480
Speaker 3: if you believe what's all takes his money, baby, just

752
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:18,120
Speaker 3: throw it over there. All takes his money in really

753
00:41:18,160 --> 00:41:22,200
Speaker 3: tight pants, and you can have an ace that looks

754
00:41:22,239 --> 00:41:27,520
Speaker 3: exactly like Hunter Brown as your Hunter's not near that gray. Well,

755
00:41:27,800 --> 00:41:30,359
Speaker 3: he might he might do the Dylan Reyola thing and

756
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,759
Speaker 3: just start cause playing as Verlander if he spends the

757
00:41:33,840 --> 00:41:34,600
Speaker 3: season with him.

758
00:41:35,360 --> 00:41:38,759
Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't even write Verlander's name, no stakes. I

759
00:41:38,760 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 2: didn't want to like get into that rabbit hole.

760
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,399
Speaker 1: But I do keep I'm doing it. I do keep

761
00:41:43,400 --> 00:41:45,080
Speaker 1: getting asked about Justin Verlander.

762
00:41:46,440 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 3: Who else is he going to play for? What are

763
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:50,920
Speaker 3: we doing like we have, Like.

764
00:41:50,960 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 2: We've said on numerous occasions, if Jim Crane wants it done,

765
00:41:56,120 --> 00:41:56,439
Speaker 2: it will.

766
00:41:56,760 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 3: They got to trade Myers and Pardes and Walker. They

767
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:01,239
Speaker 3: got it. I got to get that settle. And as

768
00:42:01,239 --> 00:42:03,359
Speaker 3: soon as that, as soon as the dust settles of that,

769
00:42:03,760 --> 00:42:05,759
Speaker 3: the look at the irritation and say, oh, we have

770
00:42:06,920 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 3: X amount of dollars left? Is that enough for you Justin?

771
00:42:11,480 --> 00:42:12,279
Speaker 3: And then we'll see.

772
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:12,719
Speaker 1: Yeah.

773
00:42:12,719 --> 00:42:14,359
Speaker 2: I do want to make it clear that, like I'm

774
00:42:14,400 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 2: certainly not saying it's fade Accompany, I'm not saying it's

775
00:42:17,080 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 2: a foregone conclusion that he's going to end up in Houston.

776
00:42:20,320 --> 00:42:24,600
Speaker 3: But it doesn't need money. You know like he at

777
00:42:24,640 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: this point and like, yes he's going to command ten

778
00:42:28,080 --> 00:42:30,760
Speaker 3: to he's not going to sign a two million dollar deal.

779
00:42:31,360 --> 00:42:33,960
Speaker 3: But he is not He's not sitting by his phone

780
00:42:34,040 --> 00:42:36,560
Speaker 3: going like where's my next meal gonna come from? I

781
00:42:36,600 --> 00:42:40,400
Speaker 3: need to go hit my earning potential here. He wants

782
00:42:40,440 --> 00:42:43,160
Speaker 3: wins and to be on a good team in a

783
00:42:43,160 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 3: place where he's comfortable. And there's like, you know, a

784
00:42:47,040 --> 00:42:50,560
Speaker 3: handful of teams that would even come close to matching that.

785
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 3: So we'll see.

786
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, as we've said, if if the owner would like

787
00:42:55,600 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 2: it done, and if the owner wants it, it will

788
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:02,000
Speaker 2: get done. I'm not so I'm not so sure that

789
00:43:02,760 --> 00:43:07,680
Speaker 2: it's a complete foregone conclusion. I don't think Justin's gonna

790
00:43:07,680 --> 00:43:10,439
Speaker 2: wait around, Like I know you were kind of being

791
00:43:10,520 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: facetious there, but like, I don't think Justin's gonna like

792
00:43:13,880 --> 00:43:15,360
Speaker 2: the Ashers are the only place he wants to go,

793
00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:17,759
Speaker 2: and he'sbody around until February, Like if he gets a

794
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 2: I mean, this is what happened last year, Like he

795
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 2: wanted to come back. I mean he said this, he

796
00:43:23,200 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 2: wanted to come back. The Giants made like other teams

797
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:28,800
Speaker 2: were in pursuit of him. He liked what the Giants

798
00:43:28,800 --> 00:43:31,040
Speaker 2: sold him. The Giants gave him an offer, and he

799
00:43:31,080 --> 00:43:34,080
Speaker 2: called Jim, and Jim said, well, we're not in a

800
00:43:34,120 --> 00:43:36,600
Speaker 2: position right now that we can match that or we

801
00:43:36,640 --> 00:43:39,279
Speaker 2: can even make you an offer. So Justin said, all right,

802
00:43:39,440 --> 00:43:43,080
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go here like like this exact thing happened

803
00:43:43,120 --> 00:43:46,399
Speaker 2: last year, so it could happen this year where Justin

804
00:43:46,480 --> 00:43:49,920
Speaker 2: wants to come back, and you know, they the Ashers

805
00:43:49,960 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 2: just don't are not at a point where they can

806
00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,520
Speaker 2: match what he wants, or you know, maybe there haven't

807
00:43:55,600 --> 00:43:57,960
Speaker 2: done the other stuff we're talking about. They haven't you know,

808
00:43:58,000 --> 00:44:00,760
Speaker 2: figured out their infield. They still have some trade irons

809
00:44:00,800 --> 00:44:02,239
Speaker 2: in the fire. They don't know what their roster's going

810
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:06,600
Speaker 2: to look like. So the Verlander thing is certainly not

811
00:44:07,880 --> 00:44:09,839
Speaker 2: it's taken on a life of its own where it's

812
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:12,480
Speaker 2: like now people talk about it as if like, oh,

813
00:44:12,520 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: that's going to be like the finishing touch, like it's

814
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:16,640
Speaker 2: it's done. We're just waiting like no, like I don't

815
00:44:16,719 --> 00:44:19,840
Speaker 2: think this is not a thing where this is like done,

816
00:44:20,000 --> 00:44:23,080
Speaker 2: just not talked about yet, like it could get done

817
00:44:23,200 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 2: very quickly if they.

818
00:44:24,000 --> 00:44:24,799
Speaker 1: Want it to get done.

819
00:44:24,840 --> 00:44:28,800
Speaker 2: Don't worry, don't worry, but I right now, I would

820
00:44:28,800 --> 00:44:31,560
Speaker 2: not put it as you know, the fifty to fifty

821
00:44:31,640 --> 00:44:34,560
Speaker 2: sort of thing that a lot of people are thought

822
00:44:34,600 --> 00:44:37,319
Speaker 2: that it was going to be. So they're always going

823
00:44:37,400 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 2: to stay in touch with him, they're always gonna it's

824
00:44:40,080 --> 00:44:42,279
Speaker 2: always going to be an option. But you know, right now,

825
00:44:42,320 --> 00:44:45,320
Speaker 2: they're they're mainly focused on the trade market. They're mainly

826
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 2: focused in that area because they have they still have

827
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:51,800
Speaker 2: some pieces that other teams would find attractive, other teams

828
00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:53,880
Speaker 2: off the Major League roster would find attractive, and the

829
00:44:53,920 --> 00:44:58,480
Speaker 2: Astros still have some questions in their rotation even after

830
00:44:58,560 --> 00:45:01,680
Speaker 2: adding Mike Burrows. The Mike Burrow does help to answer

831
00:45:01,760 --> 00:45:04,120
Speaker 2: a good bit about the twenty twenty six Astros. We

832
00:45:04,160 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: thank the Astros for giving us something to talk about

833
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:10,640
Speaker 2: before the holidays. You know, we will be back during

834
00:45:10,680 --> 00:45:14,160
Speaker 2: the holidays a little bit, not as frequently, but if

835
00:45:14,200 --> 00:45:17,480
Speaker 2: we don't talk to you guys before the holiday season,

836
00:45:17,520 --> 00:45:19,880
Speaker 2: we want to wish all of you in merry Christmas

837
00:45:19,920 --> 00:45:22,760
Speaker 2: and a happy New Year. Enjoy the time with your family,

838
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,920
Speaker 2: Enjoy the time around friends, Enjoy the time around loved ones.

839
00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: Tyler, what is Santo bringing your three children?

840
00:45:31,239 --> 00:45:37,319
Speaker 3: Well? Listen we're we would try to not have a

841
00:45:37,360 --> 00:45:40,600
Speaker 3: lot of toys. I'm also a bit distracted. You're I'm

842
00:45:40,600 --> 00:45:43,640
Speaker 3: in my lucky shirt. Mike Elico is waddling out on

843
00:45:43,719 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 3: Kyle Field right now. We're we're running out. We got

844
00:45:48,200 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 3: to put this here. But I will say I asked

845
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 3: for a telescope, and the other night Olivia was like, Dad,

846
00:45:56,200 --> 00:45:58,760
Speaker 3: it would be so cool to see the stars closer.

847
00:45:58,800 --> 00:46:01,560
Speaker 3: And I was like, buddy, so I have news for you.

848
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:08,480
Speaker 3: I also purchased myself one of those like third party

849
00:46:08,640 --> 00:46:11,839
Speaker 3: Guitar Hero controllers because there's a game called Clone Hero

850
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,040
Speaker 3: that you can play on your computer, and I'm very

851
00:46:14,120 --> 00:46:16,800
Speaker 3: excited about that. So that's going to be my Christmas

852
00:46:16,800 --> 00:46:20,440
Speaker 3: present to my family, is me playing Guitar Hero on

853
00:46:20,480 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 3: my computer all day. I'm sure they'll love that, but yeah,

854
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,400
Speaker 3: it'll it'll be fun. We're going on a big family

855
00:46:27,440 --> 00:46:31,200
Speaker 3: trip next year at to the summer camp that Alicia

856
00:46:31,239 --> 00:46:35,040
Speaker 3: and I met at called Pine Cove, and it's wonderful,

857
00:46:35,080 --> 00:46:38,120
Speaker 3: but it is also quite expensive. So that is most

858
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:41,600
Speaker 3: most of our Christmas gift is the promise that six

859
00:46:41,640 --> 00:46:45,320
Speaker 3: months from now we will go on a fun trip again.

860
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Speaker 2: subscribe to the YouTube channel. Please like the YouTube video if.

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Speaker 1: You haven't already.

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Speaker 2: We will be back, like I said, next week at

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Speaker 2: some point, but if we don't see you before then,

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Speaker 2: Merry Christmas, Happy New Year, and happy holidays everyone. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for listening, and we'll talk to you soon.

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