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Speaker 1: This is straight Fire with Jason McIntyre. What is up?

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Speaker 1: Straight Fire? Fam, It's me Jason McIntyre. Straight Fire for Friday,

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Speaker 1: April twenty second. Holy hell, did we have a night

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Speaker 1: in the association and O M G. Yes, I can

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Speaker 1: say that I'm a grown man, but I can say,

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Speaker 1: oh MG, do we have a great interview with you

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Speaker 1: to get you all fired up for the NFL Draft

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Speaker 1: going into the weekend. Tony Pauline, longtime NFL draft analysts

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Speaker 1: for Pro Football Network, He's got a bunch of stuff. Uh,

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Speaker 1: you're gonna want to hear this. How many quarterbacks go

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Speaker 1: in the first round? How many receivers? Debo? Is Deebo

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Speaker 1: Samuel potentially on the move or is he just trying

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Speaker 1: to get twenty five million a year? Tony Pauline brings

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Speaker 1: the noise in the funk. But before we get to Tony,

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Speaker 1: I don't even know which game to start with. Rob.

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Speaker 1: I will confess it was my fifteen year wedding anniversary

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Speaker 1: on Thursday. Well, thank you, Rob. Well we went out

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Speaker 1: our drive with the traffic, um, but it was a

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Speaker 1: great meal. I followed the games on my phone. You know, yes,

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Speaker 1: let's listen. Wife gets it. That's part of the deal.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's my job. Um, And I will just say,

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Speaker 1: luckily there was not a camera on me rob for

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Speaker 1: the Minnesota Timberwolves collapse. I walk out the door. They're

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Speaker 1: up twenty six points. I'm following it on the drive.

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Speaker 1: I'm like, oh, Memphis is making a run. Okay, that's expected.

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Speaker 1: And then in the third Minnesota gets it back up

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Speaker 1: lose at home in has to be one of the

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Speaker 1: biggest comebacks in the NFL playoff history, NBA playoff history.

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Speaker 1: But that was just the beginning of the night. Then

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Speaker 1: and I had talked. Luckily, I I didn't make it official,

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Speaker 1: but I had talked about, Oh, Utah game three, they'll

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Speaker 1: make adjustments, they'll the lockdown Brunson, I, Utah, that's gotta

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Speaker 1: be a play right now is waiting on Luca and

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Speaker 1: life got in the way. I did not end up

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Speaker 1: making a play on this. I had liked Utah here

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Speaker 1: and Dallas leads him wired to wire and Utah loses

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Speaker 1: at home to go down to one, and folks, it

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Speaker 1: feels like the end for Gobert Quinsider and Donovan Mitchell right,

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Speaker 1: I mean it has to be you. They're losing to

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Speaker 1: twelve points off the bench. Burtons, I told you guys

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Speaker 1: Burton's would have a game. Comes in like a flamethrower,

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Speaker 1: hits four threes, fifteen points, Maxi Kleiber, I don't think

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Speaker 1: he's missed a shot since the Obama administration. The guy's

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Speaker 1: on fire from deep. When you hit eighteen threes in

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Speaker 1: their house, you're gonna win. Rudy Gobert, by the way,

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Speaker 1: zero offensive rebounds. I'll just leave it at that. And

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Speaker 1: then in the nightcap, Golden State Denver a thriller with

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Speaker 1: Denver putting up a good fight. And then of course

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Speaker 1: Golden State mind the team that needs a nickname, you know.

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Speaker 1: Clay Thompson interrupted Jordan Pool's interview after the game with

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Speaker 1: are freaking out about Tyrese, Maxie and Philly. I get it,

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Speaker 1: you know, Rob, I give you Jordan Pool or Tyrese

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Speaker 1: MAXI right now, who you taking Tyrese Maxie? No, stop it,

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Speaker 1: get out of town. Really yeah. Now, I'm not not

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Speaker 1: saying nothing disrespected. Jordan Pool is great, but this might

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Speaker 1: be quite possibly the worst matchup for the Denver Nuggets.

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Speaker 1: That because they are they have probably the worst fact

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Speaker 1: But he's the m v P. But that's all I

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Speaker 1: keep hearing. He have to bring other season awards, Okay,

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Speaker 1: and then you got terrible guard play. So the Warriors

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Speaker 1: Maxie used the answer, I know I overhyped it. But

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Speaker 1: a freaking break, guys. I know, a regular season award?

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Speaker 1: Just stop, just a no planet. Is he the best

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Speaker 1: Go for go for it, do it, do it. But

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Speaker 1: I don't want to hear any of this. Yoki is

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Speaker 1: you know you've taken many other superstars like listen, Yoki

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Speaker 1: the playoffs. I said this before. The playoffs are not

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Speaker 1: for centers or for wings. And Yokich is now done.

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Speaker 1: They're down, oh three, A nice night, two and one. Um, Rob,

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Speaker 1: on social media. I still am struggling to grasp how

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Speaker 1: I can't comprehend Jaden McDaniels. The is he a rookie,

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Speaker 1: Jade McDaniels out of Washington, twenty one year old kid

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Speaker 1: What the hell is going on with Karl Anthony Towns

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Speaker 1: As a Knicks fan? I don't even know if I

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Speaker 1: want him anymore? Wow, you're jumping off the band wagon

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Speaker 1: what are the chances that Carl Anthony Downs comes out

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Speaker 1: the Knicks? You know as a cat coming in New York?

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Speaker 1: Was can't the third best Minnesota timberwol on the floor

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Speaker 1: And you could actually go Patrick Beverley, He no, I mean,

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Speaker 1: have played four playoff games. He has more fouls than

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Speaker 1: baskets and three of them. Okay, Karl Anthony Towns is

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Speaker 1: it's so weird. Rob. I hear you say he's finas

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Speaker 1: I love those teams. So Carlinton Towns is soft a

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Speaker 1: I don't even know how to describe a loss like that,

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Speaker 1: because obviously I had money on Minnesota, But Rob, this

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Speaker 1: it ain't like John Rant went off. Okay, this was

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Speaker 1: think he's a former timber Wolf. I'm not sure. Rob. Well,

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Speaker 1: you know what's funny is even though I picked the

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Speaker 1: before it started. I will admit that the Minnesota Timberwolves

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Speaker 1: Their top three guys, they're all top two picks for

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Speaker 1: He's showing in these playoffs that you know you can

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Speaker 1: the last thirteen minutes of a game forty two to twelve,

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Speaker 1: don't think they've made the playoffs since then. Longest rout

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. Al right now, nobody really cares about

423
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Speaker 1: the Jets except for me and like eleven of our listeners.

424
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Speaker 1: Jets fans are not a large grouping, but we'll get

425
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Speaker 1: to them eventually. I want to start, obviously, to draft

426
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Speaker 1: less than a week away, Tony. I guess, big picture,

427
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Speaker 1: when you zoom out on this draft, it isn't the

428
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Speaker 1: sexiest draft because there's no alpha quarterbacks, or isn't anyone

429
00:23:02,000 --> 00:23:05,000
Speaker 1: quarter There's no quarterback anybody's clamoring for. I don't want

430
00:23:05,040 --> 00:23:06,359
Speaker 1: to say it's a weak draft because there's a lot

431
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Speaker 1: of good prospects, obviously there are every year, but I

432
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Speaker 1: feel like the draft is lacking a little bit of

433
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Speaker 1: juice here at the top. Your thoughts well, it is

434
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Speaker 1: from the media point of view, but you know, if

435
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Speaker 1: you go back years ago, before the league went quarterback crazy,

436
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Speaker 1: it was the impact defensive player that was the most

437
00:23:26,080 --> 00:23:29,080
Speaker 1: coveted come draft day. If you were at the top

438
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Speaker 1: of the draft, if you were selecting the top three

439
00:23:31,280 --> 00:23:34,880
Speaker 1: to five picks, you wanted that impact defensive player. And

440
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Speaker 1: that's what we have this year. We got a bunch

441
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Speaker 1: of tremendous pass rushers, a bunch of terrific defensive lineman.

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Speaker 1: We have one outstanding cornerback, and we also have three

443
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Speaker 1: very good offensive tackles. And while the top two tackles

444
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Speaker 1: and not pure left tackles, offensive tackle is also a

445
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Speaker 1: priority come to the NFL draft. So while you know,

446
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Speaker 1: people say this is not a sexy draft, they're smiling

447
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Speaker 1: in war rooms because of the fact that, especially at

448
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Speaker 1: the top, because there's pass rushers, there's tackles, and there's

449
00:24:05,119 --> 00:24:08,679
Speaker 1: corner there's there's at least one cornerback. So uh, and

450
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Speaker 1: there's also the intrigue. I mean, listen, a year ago

451
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Speaker 1: today on your show, you knew that Trevor Lawrence was

452
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Speaker 1: going number one. You knew that Zack Wilson was going

453
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Speaker 1: number two. You know, that San Francisco was taking a

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Speaker 1: quarterback number three. I mean, there's still a lot of

455
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Speaker 1: intrigue and you know what's going to happen with those

456
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Speaker 1: early picks, which I think is a great thing. Yeah, um,

457
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Speaker 1: let's start. You know, the edge rushers obviously our paramount

458
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Speaker 1: right now. And there's two guys who were gonna be

459
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Speaker 1: in the top ten who you know, they didn't pop

460
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Speaker 1: during the season or totally dominate, but when you come

461
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Speaker 1: to the measurement season, get them in the spandex uh

462
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Speaker 1: you know, do go through the battery of tests at

463
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Speaker 1: the combine, they pop And Trayvon Walker of Georgia, who

464
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Speaker 1: was you know he I don't. I don't think he

465
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Speaker 1: stood out really in any of the Marquee games this year.

466
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Speaker 1: But then you measure him and he's kind of like,

467
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Speaker 1: oh my gosh, this guy's like not quite Miles Garrett freakish,

468
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Speaker 1: but he's in that solar system Trayvon Walker and Jermaine Johnson.

469
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Speaker 1: Like does the casual fanning then understand that these guys

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Speaker 1: are gonna probably go on the top ten, top twelve. Well,

471
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Speaker 1: if they don't, I mean they're gonna find out real

472
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Speaker 1: soon because they could both go top four. I mean

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Speaker 1: the pass rushers can come off the board one to

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Speaker 1: three four. I'm gonna slightly disagree with you on both

475
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Speaker 1: of women. Here's why. You know, I understand that people,

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Speaker 1: you know, they look at the stats and they look

477
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Speaker 1: at the highlights, and they don't see Trayvon Walker, you know,

478
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Speaker 1: pinning his ears back and rushing up the field and

479
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Speaker 1: attacking the opposing quarterbacks. But he wasn't asked to do

480
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Speaker 1: that at Georgia. You know, if you really get into

481
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Speaker 1: the film, what Trayvon Walker was asked to do where

482
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Speaker 1: the little things that a lot of college defense events

483
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Speaker 1: are an asked to do. Set the edge gap, responsibility,

484
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Speaker 1: drop back off the line, and playing coverage on zone

485
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Speaker 1: blitz is which Georgia did so well with kay Walker

486
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Speaker 1: and the Kobe Dean get out in pursuit laterally to

487
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Speaker 1: make plays against the run at the sidelines. He did

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Speaker 1: have or he was credited with thirty two. Quarterback Harvey's

489
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Speaker 1: the most under or to offense. And I understand that

490
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Speaker 1: is a bit of a subjective stat but the fact

491
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Speaker 1: is this, while you want sects quarterback high reason just

492
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:10,920
Speaker 1: as important because you're disrupting the quarterbacks rhythm. You're making

493
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Speaker 1: him move his feet. Sometimes you make him leave the pocket.

494
00:26:13,359 --> 00:26:16,399
Speaker 1: He's looking away from his primary target. So that he

495
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Speaker 1: did that very well. There's more to being a pass

496
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Speaker 1: rusher and being a defensive endage than just pinning your

497
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Speaker 1: ears back and rushing up the field. That's why I

498
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Speaker 1: like tray Von Walker. I think it's a misnomer to say, well,

499
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Speaker 1: he just shot up draft boards because he had this

500
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Speaker 1: incredible combine, which he did. Jeremy Johnson was a you know,

501
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Speaker 1: it was a different case in the sense that he

502
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Speaker 1: was a pretty good pass rusher at Florida State, and

503
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Speaker 1: that what happened is before the combine, he went to

504
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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and he tore it up. He was unstoppable.

505
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Speaker 1: I couldn't block him. And for right or wrong, the

506
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Speaker 1: Senior Bowl is a kingmaker. I mean, you go to

507
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Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl and you woo everybody, and you blow

508
00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,960
Speaker 1: everybody away. Your draft stock is going to shoot through

509
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Speaker 1: the roof because the Senior Bowl you have the most

510
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Speaker 1: amount of eyes from next level to decision makers, head coaches,

511
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,440
Speaker 1: general managers, assistant general managers, position coaches. They're all they're

512
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Speaker 1: watching you practice in pads and helmet and Jermaine Johnson

513
00:27:10,640 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: was outstanding denies during during those three days. Yeah, he

514
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Speaker 1: he crushed the senior rol. Let me ask you about

515
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Speaker 1: Johnson before we come back to Walker. So he's already

516
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Speaker 1: I believe, twenty three years old, and I know there

517
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Speaker 1: is something of a stigma in some teams. Just believe, like, listen,

518
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Speaker 1: I don't want a twenty three year old. Give me

519
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Speaker 1: the twenty one year old. You know, if he's twenty three, now,

520
00:27:31,119 --> 00:27:33,280
Speaker 1: did he dominate college because he was twenty two going

521
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Speaker 1: against a bunch of nineteen year old lineman. Do you

522
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Speaker 1: think Johnson is definitely going in the top ten? You

523
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Speaker 1: mentioned top four as a possibility that that would be

524
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Speaker 1: a shocker, But do you think twenty three kind of

525
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Speaker 1: digs it a little bit? Or now? Not at the

526
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Speaker 1: defensive line position, because defensive line, offensive line, you want

527
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Speaker 1: guys that are more physically mature, and it's an advantage,

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Speaker 1: you know, to be twenty three or he's I think

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Speaker 1: he's not gonna be twenty three until the end of

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Speaker 1: next season. I think it's twenty two, right, is what

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Speaker 1: the situation is. Um, excuse me. You want guys that

532
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Speaker 1: are gonna be physically mature. Sometimes you draft those young

533
00:28:07,720 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: defensive lineman and they get mauled in the NFL because

534
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: they just can't stand up to the physical rigors. I

535
00:28:13,840 --> 00:28:16,040
Speaker 1: don't think it's gonna hurt Johnson at all. You know,

536
00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:20,159
Speaker 1: maybe if it was a wide receiver or quarterback, you know,

537
00:28:20,680 --> 00:28:24,320
Speaker 1: exceptional quarterback, it may be a situation where teams may

538
00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:26,720
Speaker 1: raise an eyebrow, But I don't think it is for

539
00:28:26,800 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: Jermaine Johnson or any defensive linement for that matter. Your

540
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:33,960
Speaker 1: favorite player from the Georgia defense tony was Trayvon Walker,

541
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Speaker 1: even in the top three that that defense was incredible.

542
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Speaker 1: Watching him against Auburn, I'm starning, not against Alburn against Alabama.

543
00:28:40,000 --> 00:28:43,080
Speaker 1: You know, Jordan Davis, everybody loves Dean flying around like

544
00:28:43,440 --> 00:28:46,000
Speaker 1: did Trayvon Walker during the season. Do you do you

545
00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:48,280
Speaker 1: think did enough to warrant being this guy's the top

546
00:28:48,280 --> 00:28:51,200
Speaker 1: five pick? Absolutely? I mean again, you've got to get

547
00:28:51,240 --> 00:28:54,440
Speaker 1: deep into the film. And it's again what I said before,

548
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,200
Speaker 1: it's more than just pinning your ears back and rushing

549
00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,760
Speaker 1: up the field. You know the little things that Trayvon

550
00:29:00,000 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: Walker did. It did so well, setting the edge gap, responsibility,

551
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,400
Speaker 1: dropping back off a lot of into coverage on zone

552
00:29:05,400 --> 00:29:07,960
Speaker 1: blitz is a lot of college a lot of defensive

553
00:29:08,080 --> 00:29:10,440
Speaker 1: ends even in this draft, really weren't asked to do that,

554
00:29:10,720 --> 00:29:13,120
Speaker 1: and Trayvon Walker did it very well. I don't you know,

555
00:29:13,200 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: if you really watched the film, there were many times

556
00:29:15,720 --> 00:29:18,840
Speaker 1: Trayvon Walker had an open shot at the quarterback, but

557
00:29:19,000 --> 00:29:22,440
Speaker 1: his responsibility was to stay over the left tackle, which

558
00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:24,440
Speaker 1: is what he did. If he rushes up the field,

559
00:29:24,480 --> 00:29:29,120
Speaker 1: then he posing quarterbacks, drops a screen pass to a

560
00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:31,280
Speaker 1: running back three yards off a lone of scrimmage, and

561
00:29:31,320 --> 00:29:34,120
Speaker 1: then the running back goes for twenty yards. Trayvon Walker

562
00:29:34,160 --> 00:29:36,120
Speaker 1: is gonna get readed by his coach for not sticking

563
00:29:36,120 --> 00:29:38,520
Speaker 1: with the gap responsibility. And the fact is this, he's

564
00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: got tremendous amount of upside. You know, the fact that

565
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Speaker 1: he's six five to seventy, he's an incredible athlete. I

566
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: think the fact is you can put him in a

567
00:29:45,840 --> 00:29:48,040
Speaker 1: four man line. You can put him as a three

568
00:29:48,080 --> 00:29:51,560
Speaker 1: technique tackle or as an interior rusher on passing downs.

569
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Speaker 1: He could eventually grow into a two gap defensive end.

570
00:29:55,440 --> 00:29:58,600
Speaker 1: And again, you really gotta get past the stats and

571
00:29:58,640 --> 00:30:01,600
Speaker 1: watch the entire film, not just the highlights. Yeah, I

572
00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:05,160
Speaker 1: just looked up his birthday. He is a young twenty one.

573
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Speaker 1: December eighteenth, he turns twenty two, almost two full years

574
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Speaker 1: younger than Jermaine Johnson, who's a January birthday. I don't know.

575
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Speaker 1: I mean, it doesn't sound like you think that's a

576
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:15,960
Speaker 1: big deal. I I kind of interested by that. But

577
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Speaker 1: that brings us to the third defensive end, Cavan Thibodeaux,

578
00:30:19,800 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: who depending on who you read, uh, I don't know

579
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Speaker 1: who you talk to who you read, he's either slip

580
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:27,800
Speaker 1: sliding far or this is all a smoke screen and

581
00:30:27,800 --> 00:30:30,240
Speaker 1: he's still going to where are you today? On trayvon

582
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Speaker 1: On Cavan Tibodaux player. I love, he's my number one

583
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,800
Speaker 1: rated player in this year's draft. But the fact is this,

584
00:30:36,960 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 1: he could go as early as three to Houston. He

585
00:30:39,080 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: could slide to ten to the Jets if they don't

586
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Speaker 1: take a pass rusher in the top with that fourth pick.

587
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Speaker 1: When you look at Thibodeaux, he is a versatile, scheme,

588
00:30:49,200 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: a multi scheme type of defender. You can use him

589
00:30:51,680 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 1: out of a three point stance, you can stand him

590
00:30:53,800 --> 00:30:56,720
Speaker 1: over tackle. He plays with great leverage and head level.

591
00:30:57,040 --> 00:31:00,600
Speaker 1: He's explosive up the field. He can change direction and

592
00:31:00,680 --> 00:31:03,600
Speaker 1: attack the quarterback from the backside or catch the ball handler.

593
00:31:03,760 --> 00:31:05,760
Speaker 1: He can drop off the line and play in space.

594
00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,840
Speaker 1: Shows some stiffness trying to bend the edge, but I

595
00:31:09,320 --> 00:31:12,080
Speaker 1: still think that's a bit of a blown The problems

596
00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: with Cabon Thibodeaux, and they are legitimate because I broke

597
00:31:15,040 --> 00:31:17,680
Speaker 1: the story of Pro Football Network during the combine. Are

598
00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: people question his love for football in the sense that

599
00:31:21,680 --> 00:31:24,840
Speaker 1: you know, as I wrote in the article, teams are saying,

600
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:28,360
Speaker 1: he's acting like he's already there, he's already made it,

601
00:31:28,880 --> 00:31:32,160
Speaker 1: versus working to get there and working to make it. Remember,

602
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 1: the guy hasn't taken a snap in the on Sunday

603
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,560
Speaker 1: football is and think it's not in the NFL. That

604
00:31:37,760 --> 00:31:40,480
Speaker 1: is a concern. I mean, when you go to the combine,

605
00:31:41,240 --> 00:31:43,600
Speaker 1: that's the biggest job interview or the let's prospects, that's

606
00:31:43,600 --> 00:31:46,880
Speaker 1: the biggest job interview they're ever gonna have. And teams

607
00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:48,840
Speaker 1: want to know that you're gonna walk on nails, You're

608
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:53,040
Speaker 1: gonna walk barefoot through glass, you know, for your football team.

609
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,120
Speaker 1: They didn't get that sort of feeling from Thibodeaux. There

610
00:31:56,200 --> 00:31:59,560
Speaker 1: is a concern he doesn't play hard. I don't necessarily

611
00:31:59,600 --> 00:32:02,360
Speaker 1: agree with that, but that also comes from people in

612
00:32:02,440 --> 00:32:04,760
Speaker 1: Oregon who said, yeah, if the play is not in

613
00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: his immediate vicinity, you know, he takes downs off. I

614
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: think with Thibadel you've got to get a coach that's

615
00:32:10,240 --> 00:32:12,080
Speaker 1: gonna get between his ears. You gotta get a coach

616
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:13,680
Speaker 1: that's gonna stay on him. You gotta get take get

617
00:32:13,720 --> 00:32:16,000
Speaker 1: a coach that's gonna follow him. You gotta take get

618
00:32:16,000 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 1: a coach that's really gonna give him a good kick

619
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:19,320
Speaker 1: in in the butt. And if you do, you're gonna

620
00:32:19,360 --> 00:32:22,480
Speaker 1: have a phenomenal uh talent on your hands. So is

621
00:32:22,520 --> 00:32:24,480
Speaker 1: that Dan Campbell at two in the Lions or it

622
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:27,440
Speaker 1: sounds like they kind of have talked themselves into Trayvon Walker,

623
00:32:27,480 --> 00:32:31,480
Speaker 1: a guy who's living in the weight room football football football? Uh,

624
00:32:31,520 --> 00:32:33,960
Speaker 1: where are you on the Walker Thibodeau right now? At two?

625
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:37,760
Speaker 1: I think, uh, I think Walker is either gonna go

626
00:32:37,840 --> 00:32:40,800
Speaker 1: one or two. I think there's a legitimate chance that, uh,

627
00:32:41,200 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 1: the Jacksonville Jaguars can take him at number one. In fact,

628
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 1: I wrote that story the end of March at Pro

629
00:32:46,400 --> 00:32:50,600
Speaker 1: Football Network primarily because if he is a Trent Baky

630
00:32:50,680 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: type of defensive end, He is a long, lean, long

631
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Speaker 1: arm athletic guy who's very explosive, makes a lot of plays.

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Speaker 1: You can use him in a variety of ways. That

633
00:33:01,200 --> 00:33:04,000
Speaker 1: is what Trent Mackey likes. Now, the question is the

634
00:33:04,120 --> 00:33:06,040
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson like them and what kind of employe is

635
00:33:06,080 --> 00:33:08,040
Speaker 1: Doug Peterson gonna have with that first pick? You know,

636
00:33:08,120 --> 00:33:11,520
Speaker 1: because Peterson comes from a Philadelphia system where they use

637
00:33:11,600 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 1: sort of undersized type of shorter, explosive guys, the Cavon

638
00:33:17,120 --> 00:33:20,840
Speaker 1: Thibodel types, if you will, I personally think that Houston

639
00:33:21,080 --> 00:33:24,480
Speaker 1: and Lovey Smith would be a great spot for Cavon Thibadeaux.

640
00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:27,600
Speaker 1: I hope, I hope he's selected there, and I hope

641
00:33:27,600 --> 00:33:30,240
Speaker 1: he flourishes. I had that's where I had Thibodeau in

642
00:33:30,320 --> 00:33:35,080
Speaker 1: my mock draft of my Last Week to Houston and

643
00:33:35,200 --> 00:33:37,720
Speaker 1: number three, which leaves my Jets at four and let's

644
00:33:37,720 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: get into the Jets real quick. You mentioned Ed Dresher,

645
00:33:40,320 --> 00:33:43,600
Speaker 1: I would counter, they don't necessarily need one. I mean,

646
00:33:43,640 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: you can always use an extra one. Salah love them,

647
00:33:46,000 --> 00:33:49,520
Speaker 1: but I just believe they picked up DJ Reid, the quarnerback.

648
00:33:50,160 --> 00:33:52,520
Speaker 1: He's not a number one. You need a number one

649
00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:56,080
Speaker 1: if you get Gardner at four, I feel like you're set.

650
00:33:56,160 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: I love Guard, all the traits, everything about this kid.

651
00:33:59,400 --> 00:34:01,560
Speaker 1: I think he's a perfect guy at four. And then

652
00:34:01,600 --> 00:34:03,800
Speaker 1: you have your choice of other edge rusher at ten

653
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,800
Speaker 1: or receiver. I don't know Tony with me for Gardener

654
00:34:06,800 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: at four. Personally yes, I mean my Gardener is rated

655
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: higher on my board than Jermaine Johnson. I don't think

656
00:34:15,120 --> 00:34:17,320
Speaker 1: that it's going to happen for a couple of reasons.

657
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:20,920
Speaker 1: Number one, you know you're gonna you're you're likely to

658
00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,880
Speaker 1: get a better cornerback at number ten, whether that be

659
00:34:24,040 --> 00:34:26,920
Speaker 1: somehow Gardener falls, whether that needs you're in love with

660
00:34:26,920 --> 00:34:29,480
Speaker 1: Derek Stanley or even the top of the round. Two

661
00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 1: will will be good where there will be good cornerbacks available,

662
00:34:32,200 --> 00:34:33,960
Speaker 1: then you will be able to get a good edge rusher.

663
00:34:34,000 --> 00:34:37,800
Speaker 1: That's number one. Number two is you know the Jets

664
00:34:37,840 --> 00:34:40,319
Speaker 1: really have to solve this pass rushing problem. I mean,

665
00:34:40,320 --> 00:34:42,359
Speaker 1: you're a Jets fan. The last time the Jets had

666
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 1: to consistent of pass rusher was John Abraham, who they

667
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:46,640
Speaker 1: trafted in two thousand. He left the team was two

668
00:34:46,680 --> 00:34:49,320
Speaker 1: thousand six, two thousand and seven be a free agency.

669
00:34:49,360 --> 00:34:51,400
Speaker 1: So every year it's Jets into pass rush. You just

670
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:53,080
Speaker 1: need a pass rusher. You don't know what you're getting

671
00:34:53,080 --> 00:34:55,000
Speaker 1: back with Karl lawsuit. You don't know if he's gonna

672
00:34:55,000 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: be a hundred percent. You don't know what you're getting

673
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: with him. So I think that's why it would be

674
00:34:59,520 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 1: a pass I should like Jermain Johnson, but let me

675
00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:05,200
Speaker 1: tell you this. I've reported this and I keep hearing this.

676
00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:08,719
Speaker 1: Ikey A. Kandu is in the conversation and the Jets

677
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,080
Speaker 1: are definitely considering him with that fourth UH selection. Icky Quandered,

678
00:35:13,120 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: the offensive lineman from North Carolina State, highly rated player

679
00:35:16,960 --> 00:35:19,520
Speaker 1: I haven't rated behind Evan Neil. He's likely gonna go

680
00:35:19,520 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 1: ahead of Evan Neil. That is something to keep an

681
00:35:21,800 --> 00:35:24,360
Speaker 1: eye because the chatter has been getting louder in the

682
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,200
Speaker 1: past couple of weeks that the Jets could absolutely take

683
00:35:27,239 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: a Quanta with that fourth pick. Yeah. Now, does that

684
00:35:29,320 --> 00:35:31,040
Speaker 1: have a lot to do with Beckton kind of trying

685
00:35:31,040 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: to eat his way out of the league and being

686
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:37,160
Speaker 1: slow to return UH from injury. Because they seem like

687
00:35:37,200 --> 00:35:39,879
Speaker 1: they're in good shape. They add at Tomlinson, a VT

688
00:35:40,080 --> 00:35:41,919
Speaker 1: we know on the right side is good. The fan

689
00:35:42,000 --> 00:35:45,760
Speaker 1: had a solid season, are you saying Beckton's on the outs,

690
00:35:45,840 --> 00:35:49,000
Speaker 1: or do you draft uh A Quanta to play right tackle? Well,

691
00:35:49,080 --> 00:35:51,800
Speaker 1: I think I don't think Quanto is a left tackle.

692
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:53,960
Speaker 1: I think he's better off as a right tackle. I mean,

693
00:35:54,160 --> 00:35:56,319
Speaker 1: we'll have to see. But the fact is this I've

694
00:35:56,320 --> 00:35:59,800
Speaker 1: been reporting all along. Joe Douglas in the front office

695
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 1: want to keep Beckton. They want to keep back then

696
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:06,320
Speaker 1: because to his credit, he did have an outstanding rookie season.

697
00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: But the fact is that two thousand twenty draft has

698
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: not worked out for Douglass or the Jets. I mean,

699
00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:13,680
Speaker 1: it's been it's been a bit of a disaster. Bryce

700
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 1: Hall has been a good player, but you know after that,

701
00:36:15,960 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 1: it's it's it's not been good. The coaching staff has

702
00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:21,880
Speaker 1: been down on Mickey Beckton. They like George Fann. Remember

703
00:36:21,960 --> 00:36:24,160
Speaker 1: last year was the first year for Solid and his crew.

704
00:36:24,719 --> 00:36:27,319
Speaker 1: Beckton comes in overweight, he gets hurt the first game,

705
00:36:27,520 --> 00:36:30,080
Speaker 1: and there's George Fann doing everything that they asked him

706
00:36:30,080 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: to do. And he had a good season and he

707
00:36:32,120 --> 00:36:35,399
Speaker 1: improved and he quickly absorbed the system. So when when

708
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:37,160
Speaker 1: you're looking at it from the coaching staff, the coutchy

709
00:36:37,200 --> 00:36:39,920
Speaker 1: staff is ready to move on from Beckton. Beckton is

710
00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:42,480
Speaker 1: not the coaching staff player. They were not there when

711
00:36:42,480 --> 00:36:45,000
Speaker 1: he was selected, and then move a Quanta to a

712
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,480
Speaker 1: right tackle if they take Kuanta, I personally think it's

713
00:36:48,480 --> 00:36:51,120
Speaker 1: gonna be a pass rusher. I continue to hear rumblings

714
00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:53,040
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a quantum. It'll be interesting to see

715
00:36:53,080 --> 00:36:55,480
Speaker 1: what happens after that. Yeah, it's kind of disappointing in

716
00:36:55,480 --> 00:36:59,200
Speaker 1: a division where the Dolphins at Tyreek Hill and we

717
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:02,760
Speaker 1: know all Bills. Bills have Josh Allen and Stefon Diggs.

718
00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:06,000
Speaker 1: Like there's chatter that maybe the Patriots swoop in for

719
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:08,239
Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel. I don't they quarterback on a rookie deal.

720
00:37:08,239 --> 00:37:12,120
Speaker 1: They can afford stuff, Tony. It would be upsetting if

721
00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,440
Speaker 1: the Jets come out of this without a top cornerback.

722
00:37:14,480 --> 00:37:16,520
Speaker 1: And I think the only guy to go for his Gardner,

723
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:19,839
Speaker 1: But it sounds like it's not happening. Huh. You know,

724
00:37:19,920 --> 00:37:23,279
Speaker 1: I have not heard Gardner coupled with the Jets at

725
00:37:23,320 --> 00:37:25,319
Speaker 1: that number four pick, and I agree with you. For

726
00:37:25,360 --> 00:37:27,719
Speaker 1: the longest time, I thought that that would be the selection.

727
00:37:28,520 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: I think it should absolutely be a consideration, but I've

728
00:37:32,080 --> 00:37:33,880
Speaker 1: not heard, you know, I hear pass rusher. I hear

729
00:37:33,920 --> 00:37:37,000
Speaker 1: Jimmy Johnson, I hear Ikey Kwando. I've not heard much

730
00:37:37,040 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: about the gardener afforded the Jets. All right, let's go

731
00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:43,520
Speaker 1: to quarterbacks. The first quarterback comes off the board to

732
00:37:43,800 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: the Atlanta Falcons at eight. Now, maybe I'm gonna say

733
00:37:47,960 --> 00:37:52,839
Speaker 1: it's less than fifty fifty. Really they're hypothetically you could

734
00:37:52,920 --> 00:37:55,560
Speaker 1: understand it. But none of the quarterbacks great out a

735
00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: top ten selections in this draft. I mean, Malik Willis

736
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:01,560
Speaker 1: is my number one arter back. There are some teams

737
00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:03,720
Speaker 1: that have Kenny Pikey Grids and the more on quarterback,

738
00:38:04,080 --> 00:38:06,439
Speaker 1: and there are more mid first round choices. Now we've

739
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:09,400
Speaker 1: seen quarterbacks, you know, through the past couple of decades,

740
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,600
Speaker 1: just get overdrafted, be selected a half a round earlier

741
00:38:12,640 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: than they should be. I don't think. I think Atlanta

742
00:38:15,239 --> 00:38:17,879
Speaker 1: is gonna go more the receiver. With the receiver, whether

743
00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:22,520
Speaker 1: it be Garrett Wilson, maybe Jamison Williams. I think they'll

744
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: go with the receiver before they go with the with

745
00:38:24,520 --> 00:38:26,919
Speaker 1: the quarterback. Well, let me ask you about Atlanta. I mean,

746
00:38:27,440 --> 00:38:30,239
Speaker 1: they have no offensive line. Their quarterback is injury prone.

747
00:38:30,239 --> 00:38:33,040
Speaker 1: Marcus Mariota, I know they have no receivers either, But

748
00:38:33,400 --> 00:38:34,840
Speaker 1: what are you doing draft in a receiver when you

749
00:38:34,840 --> 00:38:39,000
Speaker 1: can't protect your quarterback? That the Falcons make no sense

750
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:41,640
Speaker 1: to be at this point. Well, you know, if the

751
00:38:41,719 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 1: Charles Cross is there, I'm sure they're gonna consider them.

752
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: But I don't think Charlote Cross is gonna last to

753
00:38:46,040 --> 00:38:47,719
Speaker 1: the eighth pick of the draft. I think those three

754
00:38:47,719 --> 00:38:53,040
Speaker 1: tackles will be off by the six or seventh selection. Uh,

755
00:38:53,360 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 1: the first six or seven selections. So obviously I would

756
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,080
Speaker 1: agree with you if one of the tackles are there

757
00:38:59,080 --> 00:39:01,320
Speaker 1: at eight, I think that would be a consideration. I

758
00:39:01,360 --> 00:39:04,439
Speaker 1: don't see that happening, you know. Wow, alright, So where

759
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 1: where is the first quarterback going? According to your projections,

760
00:39:08,680 --> 00:39:11,800
Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be New Orleans or Pittsburgh. I also,

761
00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,320
Speaker 1: I think what could happen is as I've been talking

762
00:39:14,320 --> 00:39:17,200
Speaker 1: about on my show with Trey Windo, is the Minnesota

763
00:39:17,280 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 1: Vikings would like to trade down. The Minnesota Vikings would

764
00:39:19,600 --> 00:39:22,160
Speaker 1: like to trade down because I'm told they like Trent

765
00:39:22,280 --> 00:39:25,000
Speaker 1: McDuffie as much as they like Derek Stingley. So I

766
00:39:25,000 --> 00:39:27,880
Speaker 1: could see a team team moving up to number twelve,

767
00:39:28,000 --> 00:39:30,719
Speaker 1: whether it be the Steelers from Leak Willis, you know,

768
00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:32,879
Speaker 1: Saints if they want to secure a quarterback to get

769
00:39:32,960 --> 00:39:34,840
Speaker 1: up there and get the quarterback that they want. I

770
00:39:34,880 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: think both of those teams would take Malik Willis over

771
00:39:37,880 --> 00:39:41,320
Speaker 1: Kenny Pickett because both of those franchises are sort of

772
00:39:41,360 --> 00:39:43,839
Speaker 1: in a rebuild mode, or at least the Steelers are

773
00:39:43,840 --> 00:39:46,280
Speaker 1: in a rebuild mode at the quarterback spot after signing

774
00:39:46,280 --> 00:39:50,000
Speaker 1: Mitch Drobiskie in free agency, Tony, when I look at

775
00:39:50,040 --> 00:39:54,040
Speaker 1: the gambling odds, the total for quarterbacks in the first

776
00:39:54,120 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: round over under three and a half three and a half.

777
00:39:58,520 --> 00:40:01,800
Speaker 1: Can you sell a fourth, whether it's Sam how whether

778
00:40:01,840 --> 00:40:05,239
Speaker 1: it's Corral Desmond Ritter. Do you see there's any shot

779
00:40:05,239 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 1: of four quarterbacks going in the first round. Now, I

780
00:40:06,960 --> 00:40:09,960
Speaker 1: know it's everybody hates with the factor in trades, but

781
00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:11,799
Speaker 1: that end of the first round, it feels like there

782
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,760
Speaker 1: could be a couple of some movement. Obviously the thirty

783
00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:16,920
Speaker 1: second pick has a ton of value. Your thoughts on

784
00:40:16,960 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: four quarterbacks in the first round, I mean philosophically, no,

785
00:40:20,560 --> 00:40:23,640
Speaker 1: there should be at at most three. I got no

786
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:26,360
Speaker 1: Leak Willis, Kenny Pickett, and then I have Matt Correll.

787
00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 1: But as you said historically, you know, you could see

788
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:32,960
Speaker 1: somebody who maybe likes Desmond Ritter making a move up

789
00:40:33,000 --> 00:40:36,400
Speaker 1: to get him. And you know, all the teams that

790
00:40:36,440 --> 00:40:38,279
Speaker 1: I've talked to you have a first round grade on

791
00:40:38,360 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter. I'm not very high on Ridder, but all

792
00:40:40,880 --> 00:40:43,160
Speaker 1: the teams I talked to have a first round grade.

793
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Speaker 1: So you know, if I was a betting man and

794
00:40:45,560 --> 00:40:47,680
Speaker 1: I'm not, I may go with the over on that.

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Speaker 1: search f s R to listen live. Desnet Ritter so weird.

799
00:41:02,880 --> 00:41:04,719
Speaker 1: He's got about a fifty game sample side where he

800
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:06,480
Speaker 1: was terrific, and then you look at the one game

801
00:41:06,480 --> 00:41:08,799
Speaker 1: where he stepped up in class against Alabama loaded with

802
00:41:08,840 --> 00:41:11,480
Speaker 1: pros and he kind of vomited all over himself. And

803
00:41:11,560 --> 00:41:13,280
Speaker 1: I know he doesn't have the weapons on the outside

804
00:41:13,280 --> 00:41:16,360
Speaker 1: to battle Alabama. But if you just looked at that

805
00:41:16,400 --> 00:41:18,160
Speaker 1: game and you were like, this guy is not a pro.

806
00:41:18,440 --> 00:41:21,359
Speaker 1: This guys certainly not first round material, would you agree

807
00:41:21,400 --> 00:41:24,879
Speaker 1: with that sentiment. I don't like grading a player off

808
00:41:24,880 --> 00:41:26,920
Speaker 1: of a single game, although I would agree with you.

809
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,399
Speaker 1: I agree, would agree with you. Cincinnati had a lot

810
00:41:29,400 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: of chances to stay in that game. I don't want

811
00:41:32,360 --> 00:41:34,759
Speaker 1: to say beat Alabama, but make it competitive, and he

812
00:41:34,760 --> 00:41:37,359
Speaker 1: couldn't get the ball on the end zone. I think

813
00:41:37,400 --> 00:41:40,120
Speaker 1: that game is indicative of a lot of what I've

814
00:41:40,160 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 1: seen with Desmond Ritter. And what I mean by that

815
00:41:42,680 --> 00:41:45,880
Speaker 1: is he's not a very accurate quarterback. And I'm not

816
00:41:45,920 --> 00:41:50,160
Speaker 1: talking about statistical accuracy. I'm talking about not being able

817
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: to place the ball where only his receiver can make

818
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: the reception. If you watch the tapes of Desmond Ritter

819
00:41:56,320 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: the past two years, receivers are always leaving their feet

820
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,600
Speaker 1: or adjusting backwards and stride to catch the ball, which

821
00:42:03,680 --> 00:42:06,160
Speaker 1: leads to a loss of opportunity running after the catch.

822
00:42:06,400 --> 00:42:10,200
Speaker 1: He sometimes overthrows wide open receivers. He was throwing bounce

823
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,719
Speaker 1: passes during his pro day workout, and people say, well,

824
00:42:13,760 --> 00:42:16,920
Speaker 1: his statistical accuracy, the heck with that. You know, he

825
00:42:16,960 --> 00:42:19,520
Speaker 1: had Alec Pierce, who's a six ft three receiver. He

826
00:42:19,520 --> 00:42:22,000
Speaker 1: had some really good tight ends there as well who

827
00:42:22,000 --> 00:42:24,000
Speaker 1: were able to win out for the contested throws or

828
00:42:24,040 --> 00:42:27,120
Speaker 1: get vertical, you know, to grab his his errand passes

829
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Speaker 1: That is my concern with Desmond Ritter. Sometimes that's a

830
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:34,480
Speaker 1: difficult thing to figure out the next level to, you know,

831
00:42:34,520 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: to to really fix. We saw ej. Manuel. Yeah, he

832
00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,200
Speaker 1: crushed the interview process. Tony, don't forget about that. I

833
00:42:41,200 --> 00:42:43,880
Speaker 1: know you're being sarcastic, but the fact is, you know,

834
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Speaker 1: I don't want to come on as a hater for

835
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,440
Speaker 1: Desmond Ritter. He's got the physical skills, he's a winner.

836
00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:50,960
Speaker 1: He does a good job with his reads. You know,

837
00:42:51,000 --> 00:42:53,759
Speaker 1: he's a high character guy. You know, you want a

838
00:42:53,760 --> 00:42:57,719
Speaker 1: guy that's going to lead at the quarterback position. He

839
00:42:57,760 --> 00:42:59,840
Speaker 1: talked about the Jets before, I mean how many times

840
00:43:00,120 --> 00:43:03,880
Speaker 1: and postgame interviews when the Jets loss was Zach Wilson

841
00:43:03,960 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 1: making comments like, oh, it is what it is rather

842
00:43:06,160 --> 00:43:08,840
Speaker 1: than leading and he got crushed for some of those comments.

843
00:43:09,000 --> 00:43:12,720
Speaker 1: You don't want that. Uh, let's go to wide receivers.

844
00:43:12,760 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 1: First round. Six and a half is the number for

845
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:18,399
Speaker 1: the gambling line. I I made a case I had

846
00:43:18,480 --> 00:43:21,479
Speaker 1: eight receivers in my last month draft in the first round,

847
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:24,040
Speaker 1: five going in the twenties. It's weird because there isn't

848
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: an ALTFA. There's no Jamaar Chase here. I like Wilson

849
00:43:27,160 --> 00:43:28,680
Speaker 1: a lot. I want the Jets to get him at ten.

850
00:43:30,440 --> 00:43:32,399
Speaker 1: Can you can you make a case for over six

851
00:43:32,440 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 1: and a half receivers in the first round. We'll give

852
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 1: you the obvious ones. Uh, Chase, I'm not Chase Jamison, Williams, Wilson, Olave, Drake, London,

853
00:43:41,040 --> 00:43:43,919
Speaker 1: a couple others. Do you think we can get the seven? No?

854
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 1: I don't see it at all. You know, I think

855
00:43:46,520 --> 00:43:49,719
Speaker 1: Treylon Burke's who everybody loves, could fall out of the

856
00:43:49,760 --> 00:43:53,160
Speaker 1: first round. Wait, why is that? Well? Because number one,

857
00:43:53,680 --> 00:43:57,440
Speaker 1: he's a bigger, slower receiver who consistently one out for

858
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 1: the contestant row on Saturday and to go a good

859
00:44:00,000 --> 00:44:01,880
Speaker 1: did a good job of that. But you look at

860
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:04,440
Speaker 1: historically or in recent trouts. I shouldn't even say historically

861
00:44:04,520 --> 00:44:08,520
Speaker 1: recent traps. Those big, you know, body possession receivers who

862
00:44:08,719 --> 00:44:11,600
Speaker 1: don't run good routes, who can't separate through their routes,

863
00:44:11,640 --> 00:44:14,560
Speaker 1: who can't separate through their speed, they go later in

864
00:44:14,600 --> 00:44:16,879
Speaker 1: the draft. Now, Traylon Barks has got a good amount

865
00:44:16,880 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 1: of upside. But Traylon Barks is gonna struggle on Sunday

866
00:44:19,200 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: because of the fact that he doesn't run good routes,

867
00:44:21,840 --> 00:44:23,560
Speaker 1: and the opponent is gonna be breaking on the ball

868
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:26,040
Speaker 1: and the and deflecting the ball because he he's slowing

869
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,720
Speaker 1: the brakes and he floats on agit. So Traylon Burks

870
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 1: catches the ball very well. Excuse me. Uh. It is

871
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:35,319
Speaker 1: a guy that everybody seems to like. But as far

872
00:44:35,360 --> 00:44:38,359
Speaker 1: as being NFL ready as a receiver, you know he's

873
00:44:38,360 --> 00:44:39,880
Speaker 1: not gonna be able to do what he did on

874
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,320
Speaker 1: Saturday so easily on Sunday. And a lot of teams

875
00:44:43,680 --> 00:44:46,440
Speaker 1: have Treylon Barks as a second round pick. A lot

876
00:44:46,440 --> 00:44:48,440
Speaker 1: of people like Christian, a lot of people like Christian

877
00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:51,480
Speaker 1: Watson in the first round. Not a single team I

878
00:44:51,520 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 1: spoke with have Christian Watson with the first round grade.

879
00:44:54,680 --> 00:44:56,560
Speaker 1: They all have him as a mid UH mid second

880
00:44:56,600 --> 00:44:59,280
Speaker 1: round grade. In fact, they have Sky More of Western

881
00:44:59,360 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: Michigan graded higher UH than Christian Christian Watson. So I

882
00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 1: think it's probably if it's six and a half, I'm

883
00:45:07,800 --> 00:45:09,560
Speaker 1: not going with the over and that I'm going with

884
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:12,919
Speaker 1: the under. I just don't see seven receivers moving into

885
00:45:12,960 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: the first round. You mentioned Jamison Williams with the Jets

886
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 1: at number ten. No, No, I don't I don't want that.

887
00:45:18,719 --> 00:45:21,680
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, never go ahead. I I do not want that.

888
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:25,120
Speaker 1: I like Wilson. You see it, Yeah, I can't see it.

889
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,239
Speaker 1: I can't see it because Joe Douglas needs to get

890
00:45:28,280 --> 00:45:31,279
Speaker 1: immediate impact out of that tent selection. He needs to

891
00:45:31,360 --> 00:45:33,760
Speaker 1: draft the guy that's gonna line up with the first

892
00:45:33,800 --> 00:45:37,360
Speaker 1: team on Week one of the NFL season. Jamison Williams

893
00:45:37,560 --> 00:45:39,239
Speaker 1: is not gonna be able to do that. If this

894
00:45:39,320 --> 00:45:41,960
Speaker 1: was Joe douglass first draft with the Jets, I could

895
00:45:42,000 --> 00:45:45,319
Speaker 1: see them taking Jamison Williams at ten. This is his

896
00:45:45,440 --> 00:45:47,799
Speaker 1: third draft with the Jets, and he's gotta win. He's

897
00:45:47,800 --> 00:45:50,640
Speaker 1: got to get some immedia production out of the tenth pick,

898
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:52,839
Speaker 1: or maybe a player he trains for that tenth pick,

899
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:55,719
Speaker 1: and that's not gonna be Jamison Williams. I like that.

900
00:45:55,760 --> 00:45:58,200
Speaker 1: I like that. I actually have sky More and Watson

901
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:59,719
Speaker 1: both in the first I put sky More in a

902
00:45:59,800 --> 00:46:03,279
Speaker 1: g injury mock draft. He sent me like a nice Instagram, DM,

903
00:46:03,320 --> 00:46:05,960
Speaker 1: this kid's guy More now could go first round. I

904
00:46:05,960 --> 00:46:09,680
Speaker 1: add the Chiefs. What do you think about that? Yeah?

905
00:46:09,719 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 1: I think the Chiefs. If anything, the Chiefs should be

906
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:14,319
Speaker 1: a team that trades up to get Jamison Williams. And

907
00:46:14,360 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: here's why the Chiefs have the luxury of time. The

908
00:46:17,560 --> 00:46:20,520
Speaker 1: Chiefs don't need Jamison Williams to play in September. When

909
00:46:20,600 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 1: Jamison Williams is healthy and ready to play, say the

910
00:46:23,120 --> 00:46:26,360
Speaker 1: end of November, you know, early December. That's when the

911
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,960
Speaker 1: Chiefs are making their late season run and they and

912
00:46:29,000 --> 00:46:33,239
Speaker 1: they have them likely for the playoffs and uh, sky More.

913
00:46:33,320 --> 00:46:35,319
Speaker 1: I mean it's interesting. I'll tell you somebody who I

914
00:46:35,400 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: love for the Chiefs to name that's not mentioned in

915
00:46:37,600 --> 00:46:41,560
Speaker 1: round two is Calvin Austin of Memphis. Five seven and

916
00:46:41,560 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: a half seventy pounds, runs four three two, run four

917
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: three two at to combine, ran faster than sky Moore runs,

918
00:46:49,000 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: incredible routes, has got an excellent route tree, and I

919
00:46:52,760 --> 00:46:57,120
Speaker 1: think that guy is a perfect replacement for Tyree Kill.

920
00:46:57,239 --> 00:46:59,279
Speaker 1: Whether he becomes that type of player or not, I

921
00:46:59,320 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 1: don't know. But when you look at the mentions, you

922
00:47:01,000 --> 00:47:03,319
Speaker 1: look at the style, you look at the substance, and

923
00:47:03,360 --> 00:47:07,200
Speaker 1: you look at the Chiefs who historically draft receivers later on,

924
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: I think Calvin Austin of Memphis is is somebody to consider.

925
00:47:11,160 --> 00:47:12,960
Speaker 1: If I could go back to Burke's for a second, Tony,

926
00:47:13,200 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: you know, I looked up his forty times four or

927
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: five five not blazing, um, but is forty time a

928
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:21,480
Speaker 1: little overrated because some of these guys play fast, Like

929
00:47:21,520 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 1: I just looked up Deebo Samuel's. He was like a

930
00:47:23,680 --> 00:47:27,360
Speaker 1: four eight guy. But he plays fast, especially when he

931
00:47:27,360 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: gets into space. He's I mean, he's super quick. Is

932
00:47:30,320 --> 00:47:31,759
Speaker 1: Burke's that kind of guy or you think he's a

933
00:47:31,800 --> 00:47:33,799
Speaker 1: little clunky because some of the stuff that you said

934
00:47:33,800 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 1: about unable to get separation contested catches, I feel like

935
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,760
Speaker 1: that could apply to Drake London. To know, to an extent,

936
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:41,440
Speaker 1: I would agree with you. Now, you gotta remember, Traylon

937
00:47:41,480 --> 00:47:44,520
Speaker 1: Burks is two pounds. When Traylon Burks showed up for

938
00:47:44,560 --> 00:47:47,640
Speaker 1: combine training, as I reported, was two thirty five pounds.

939
00:47:47,680 --> 00:47:50,640
Speaker 1: So he is clunky. He's not very quick. I mean

940
00:47:50,719 --> 00:47:53,160
Speaker 1: he's not Deebo Samuel quick where he's able to get

941
00:47:53,200 --> 00:47:55,799
Speaker 1: in and out of routes and the defensive back has

942
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,520
Speaker 1: no chance of staying on his hip. That doesn't happen

943
00:47:58,800 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: with Traylon Burks, I think you will. I would agree

944
00:48:02,080 --> 00:48:04,440
Speaker 1: with you to an extent. With Drake London, he is

945
00:48:04,480 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: that sort of oversized possession type wide up, but he's

946
00:48:07,880 --> 00:48:10,680
Speaker 1: much more fluid, He's much more natural. He's a lot

947
00:48:10,800 --> 00:48:13,160
Speaker 1: smoother than Trey lan Burke's. You know, the thing with

948
00:48:13,239 --> 00:48:16,040
Speaker 1: Drake London is if you look at the game stats,

949
00:48:16,040 --> 00:48:17,440
Speaker 1: and I don't like looking at games, says, but if

950
00:48:17,480 --> 00:48:20,279
Speaker 1: you look at the game stats, Drake London consistently had

951
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:25,239
Speaker 1: like sixty of the receptions and the receiving yards in

952
00:48:25,280 --> 00:48:28,200
Speaker 1: every game he played, which tells me the opponents knew

953
00:48:28,239 --> 00:48:29,960
Speaker 1: the ball was going to Drake London and it couldn't

954
00:48:30,000 --> 00:48:32,680
Speaker 1: stop him. I would agree with you. I don't you

955
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:34,720
Speaker 1: know everyone has him going to the New York Jets.

956
00:48:34,960 --> 00:48:37,080
Speaker 1: I don't think he's that great of a fit for

957
00:48:37,120 --> 00:48:39,480
Speaker 1: the New York Jets. I think Garrett Wilson is a

958
00:48:39,560 --> 00:48:42,160
Speaker 1: much better fit for the Jets because of his route running,

959
00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,600
Speaker 1: because of his speed, and because of the fact that

960
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:48,120
Speaker 1: he is able to separate with those things where Drake

961
00:48:48,160 --> 00:48:51,040
Speaker 1: London is more Come back into the scene, find the

962
00:48:51,040 --> 00:48:54,080
Speaker 1: open spot in the defense. Box out your the defender

963
00:48:54,400 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: and get up and get the past and grab it

964
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:59,720
Speaker 1: with your hands. Yeah boy, you get Elijah more Barrios Wilson.

965
00:48:59,800 --> 00:49:02,960
Speaker 1: The Jets have something there and hopefully the floor can

966
00:49:03,000 --> 00:49:05,360
Speaker 1: scheme it up. Um let's wrap up one more player,

967
00:49:05,800 --> 00:49:08,640
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton or Notre Dame. I bet his draft prop

968
00:49:08,760 --> 00:49:10,759
Speaker 1: over ten and a half. I know a lot of

969
00:49:10,760 --> 00:49:12,959
Speaker 1: people have him as a top five player, but Tony,

970
00:49:13,000 --> 00:49:16,000
Speaker 1: when you factor in the safety position, uh the quote

971
00:49:16,080 --> 00:49:20,040
Speaker 1: unquote slow forty time. You know. I feel like, remember

972
00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:22,440
Speaker 1: how Derwin James fell a little bit and people were stunned.

973
00:49:22,480 --> 00:49:24,640
Speaker 1: I feel like Kyle Hamilton. You get him at like fifteen,

974
00:49:25,280 --> 00:49:27,680
Speaker 1: you know, fourteen to eighteen range, and that's a that's

975
00:49:27,719 --> 00:49:29,520
Speaker 1: a home run. But you can't take a safety in

976
00:49:29,520 --> 00:49:32,719
Speaker 1: the top five. I don't necessarily agree with that. I

977
00:49:32,719 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: don't think you can take a Kyle Hamilton's type safety

978
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:38,520
Speaker 1: in the top five, in the top ten. And here's

979
00:49:38,520 --> 00:49:41,879
Speaker 1: why Kyle Hamilton's has never been in the top ten

980
00:49:42,080 --> 00:49:44,160
Speaker 1: on my board. When I do my big board at

981
00:49:44,160 --> 00:49:46,920
Speaker 1: Pro Football Network, this thirteen players, He's never been in

982
00:49:46,960 --> 00:49:49,359
Speaker 1: the top ten. I look at Kyle Hamiltons as six

983
00:49:49,360 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 1: fowy pounds and I see a linebacker at the next level.

984
00:49:53,840 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 1: I don't see a safety. I see a guy. You know,

985
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 1: we talked about the Tray Lamb Barks and Drake London's

986
00:49:59,000 --> 00:50:02,919
Speaker 1: how they struggled run routes and they can't separate. Kyle

987
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: Hamilton's is not gonna be able to stay with receivers,

988
00:50:05,360 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: the quicker receivers out of their routes in the NFL,

989
00:50:09,040 --> 00:50:11,759
Speaker 1: I mean trailer. Kyl Hamilton's is not a guy that

990
00:50:11,800 --> 00:50:13,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna be able to place over the slot receiver

991
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: because he's a liability. Now there was a place for

992
00:50:17,560 --> 00:50:20,719
Speaker 1: that type of player in the NFL. There's just not

993
00:50:20,800 --> 00:50:22,680
Speaker 1: a place for that type of player in the top

994
00:50:22,719 --> 00:50:25,680
Speaker 1: ten of the NFL draft. And I never was a

995
00:50:25,760 --> 00:50:28,760
Speaker 1: Kyle Hamilton's believer as far as him being an early

996
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,640
Speaker 1: early pick. There are some people, like you said, top five,

997
00:50:31,960 --> 00:50:33,680
Speaker 1: some places have him as the top player in the draft.

998
00:50:33,719 --> 00:50:35,440
Speaker 1: I thought that was absurd. And then he goes and

999
00:50:35,520 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 1: runs four or five not combine. Everyone's saying, well, he's

1000
00:50:38,520 --> 00:50:41,279
Speaker 1: running awkward, he's running crooked, he's on the right hand side,

1001
00:50:41,280 --> 00:50:43,800
Speaker 1: will be faster Priday. He barely broke four seven of

1002
00:50:43,880 --> 00:50:48,560
Speaker 1: his pro day. Again, six pounds, doesn't have great speed.

1003
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,400
Speaker 1: It's probably gonna get bigger before you know, before he

1004
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,120
Speaker 1: loses weight. I see an outside linebacker. I see a

1005
00:50:54,239 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 1: Jibril Pepper's type of player in Kyle Hamilton's again, there

1006
00:50:59,080 --> 00:51:01,640
Speaker 1: is a place for that type of player in the NFL.

1007
00:51:02,040 --> 00:51:04,359
Speaker 1: There's just no place for that type of player in

1008
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:06,560
Speaker 1: the top ten to twelve picks of the NFL draft.

1009
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,840
Speaker 1: I feel like Peppers has been on like three teams already.

1010
00:51:08,880 --> 00:51:11,399
Speaker 1: You know, it's just safety is a tough one right now, Tony, alright,

1011
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:13,080
Speaker 1: great stuff on the draft. I do want to wrap up.

1012
00:51:13,239 --> 00:51:17,440
Speaker 1: You had an explosive report on Deebo Samuel and you

1013
00:51:17,440 --> 00:51:21,120
Speaker 1: know he allegedly wants twenty to twenty five mill a year.

1014
00:51:23,320 --> 00:51:26,000
Speaker 1: Let's get down to this first, Tony, does he want

1015
00:51:26,120 --> 00:51:29,040
Speaker 1: out of San Francisco or all of this and negotiating

1016
00:51:29,080 --> 00:51:34,000
Speaker 1: ploy It's tough to say. I mean, two weeks ago

1017
00:51:34,360 --> 00:51:37,839
Speaker 1: in the UH during my UH the show with Trery

1018
00:51:37,840 --> 00:51:40,080
Speaker 1: Wingle that I did. I broke the story that he

1019
00:51:40,120 --> 00:51:43,680
Speaker 1: was looking when he scrubbed everything from his social media accounts.

1020
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:45,799
Speaker 1: I said he was gonna be looking for twenty five

1021
00:51:45,840 --> 00:51:48,719
Speaker 1: million dollars a year, but the word was the San

1022
00:51:48,760 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: Francisco forty nine ers, we're gonna look to extend them

1023
00:51:52,080 --> 00:51:55,160
Speaker 1: what he probably would stay at in San Francisco. I

1024
00:51:55,239 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: was told earlier that a lot of This is a

1025
00:51:57,920 --> 00:52:01,799
Speaker 1: you know, employed by UH. The demanding a trader saying

1026
00:52:01,800 --> 00:52:05,960
Speaker 1: wants to trade is employed by Samuel UH to get

1027
00:52:06,120 --> 00:52:09,400
Speaker 1: to get the price up UH in San Francisco. UH,

1028
00:52:09,400 --> 00:52:13,720
Speaker 1: he wants million. My report earlier was, UH, the Niners

1029
00:52:13,760 --> 00:52:17,120
Speaker 1: put an opening offer on the table. She's excuse me,

1030
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,680
Speaker 1: opening offer on the table to him for just under

1031
00:52:19,760 --> 00:52:23,160
Speaker 1: nineteen million dollars. That was the opening offer. Nobody in

1032
00:52:23,160 --> 00:52:25,640
Speaker 1: the league really believes that the Deebo Samuel's gonna get

1033
00:52:26,640 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: million dollars year. They think twenty three to twenty four

1034
00:52:28,960 --> 00:52:30,560
Speaker 1: million dollars. You know, a big deal. You know, a

1035
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,600
Speaker 1: million dollars, a million dollars less you want guys like

1036
00:52:33,640 --> 00:52:36,720
Speaker 1: you and I would love, would love to have that. UM.

1037
00:52:37,400 --> 00:52:41,240
Speaker 1: I think that San Francisco is going to do all

1038
00:52:41,280 --> 00:52:46,160
Speaker 1: they can to keep him. If the situation becomes untenable, Allah,

1039
00:52:46,320 --> 00:52:49,400
Speaker 1: the New York Jets and Jamal Adams, you may see

1040
00:52:49,400 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: a draft day trade. As of right now, the Niners

1041
00:52:52,160 --> 00:52:54,920
Speaker 1: want to keep him. Does Diebo Samuel want to play

1042
00:52:54,920 --> 00:52:58,480
Speaker 1: in San Francisco, Cisco, which was your initial question, if

1043
00:52:58,480 --> 00:53:00,560
Speaker 1: he gets the money, Yeah, he's gonna want to play

1044
00:53:00,560 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: in San Francisco. I mean they were a team that

1045
00:53:01,960 --> 00:53:04,359
Speaker 1: was very close to the uh to the Super Bowl.

1046
00:53:04,360 --> 00:53:06,600
Speaker 1: Why would Deebo Samuel want to go from San Francisco

1047
00:53:06,600 --> 00:53:09,480
Speaker 1: to the New York Jets. I mean why that's Yeah,

1048
00:53:09,520 --> 00:53:11,479
Speaker 1: that's a tough sell. So let me just quickly look

1049
00:53:11,560 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: at the highest paid receivers. So obviously he's not getting

1050
00:53:15,000 --> 00:53:18,240
Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill money. Who got thirty million year? Right? Um,

1051
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Speaker 1: Dante Adams at twenty eight million year, we get that,

1052
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Speaker 1: DeAndre Hopkins twenty seven mill, but then there's Digs at

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Speaker 1: twenty six. After that it drops down significantly. D J

1054
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Speaker 1: Moore at twenty Keenan Allen at twenty is Deebo Samuel

1055
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Speaker 1: definitely better than Keenan Allen. I mean, I know he

1056
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Speaker 1: could run the ball and uh he's great route runner

1057
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Speaker 1: and he's really good at everything. But twenty five million,

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Speaker 1: he's not getting that from anyone. I don't think we

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Speaker 1: would agree, right Tony, I don't think he is. Now,

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Speaker 1: you gotta remember a lot of those contracts, except for Hopkins,

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Speaker 1: that you, uh you rattled off their new contracts. I

1062
00:53:51,840 --> 00:53:54,120
Speaker 1: mean they were signed this off season, and that is

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00:53:54,160 --> 00:53:56,480
Speaker 1: the way things you're going, That's the way in the future.

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Speaker 1: At the receiver position. But you know, he means a

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Speaker 1: lot to that offense, not just as a receiver, running reverses,

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Speaker 1: return specialists. You know, he does all kinds of things,

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Speaker 1: some of it which don't lead to longevity in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Um So, is he as good a receiver as some

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Speaker 1: of the guys you mentioned, Probably not, but you've got

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Speaker 1: a factor in the other things that he does and

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00:54:17,440 --> 00:54:20,719
Speaker 1: does so well for the Niners team as a whole,

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Speaker 1: their offense and their special team. Yeah. Well, it's a

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Speaker 1: tough one. I listen, if the Jets apparently whipped on

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Speaker 1: Tyreek Hill, they apparently have been trying to get DK

1075
00:54:29,280 --> 00:54:32,279
Speaker 1: Metcalf depending on who you read, and you know, to

1076
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Speaker 1: go over three and not get Deebo Samuel. Is that

1077
00:54:35,400 --> 00:54:37,160
Speaker 1: a sign that maybe receivers don't want to play with

1078
00:54:37,239 --> 00:54:40,160
Speaker 1: Zach Wilson and play in New York. Well, I mean,

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Speaker 1: you know this has happened before the Jets. Remember Anthony

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00:54:43,600 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 1: Barr a couple of years ago, you know, and great

1081
00:54:45,440 --> 00:54:48,120
Speaker 1: to a contract with the Jets at eleven o'clock at night.

1082
00:54:48,440 --> 00:54:50,160
Speaker 1: At o'clock in the morning, we found out he said,

1083
00:54:50,400 --> 00:54:53,239
Speaker 1: the heck with it, I'm staying at the cornerback. He

1084
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Speaker 1: remember years ago from Buffalo, so it's nothing where he

1085
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Speaker 1: had agreed to the Jets. His name escaped me. His

1086
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Speaker 1: kid plays for Minnesota, played for Minnesota gold Golfers. He's

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Speaker 1: now a Tampa I apologize. Um, you know, I agreed

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Speaker 1: to the Jets and then said noa, I'm going elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: So I I mean, listen, if you if you're if

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Speaker 1: you do you want to go to a team or

1091
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:18,880
Speaker 1: a franchise that is constantly in the rebuild mode and

1092
00:55:18,960 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 1: has flashes here and there, or you want to go

1093
00:55:21,719 --> 00:55:25,080
Speaker 1: to a place where you know you're you're closer to

1094
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Speaker 1: being competitive. Yeah, and the New York right now, it's

1095
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Speaker 1: things are not good, all right. He is Tony Pauline.

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Speaker 1: You follow him on social media. He is an NFL

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Speaker 1: Draft analyst at Pro Football Network. Tony, congratulations on all

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Speaker 1: the success. A lot of scoops for you lately. Love that. Okay,

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Speaker 1: keep up the good work and enjoy the draft now. Man,

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Speaker 1: Thank you for having me. It's been my pleasure.