WEBVTT - Microsoft Cuts The Power To AI

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<v Speaker 1>As media.

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<v Speaker 2>Hello you, it's better offline. I'm your host ed Zeitron. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I've talked about the pay all horses of the AI

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<v Speaker 2>apocalypse in the past, and these are the events that

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<v Speaker 2>signify that the general VAI era is coming to an end.

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<v Speaker 2>And the subject to this episode and its second part, well,

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<v Speaker 2>I believe represents the biggest paylest horses of the entire flock.

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<v Speaker 2>So on February twenty first analyst TD Cohen revealed that

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<v Speaker 2>Microsoft had canceled leases and I quote totaling a couple

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<v Speaker 2>hundred megawatts with at least two private data center operators

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<v Speaker 2>across multiple US markets canceled. The report also detailed how

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<v Speaker 2>Microsoft pulled back on converting negotiated and signed statements of

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<v Speaker 2>qualifications sqq's, which are added was precursors to a data

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<v Speaker 2>center lease, so effectively the first step before you really

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<v Speaker 2>agreed to something, well the last step, I guess. Although

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<v Speaker 2>the analyst, which is part of the TD Bank company,

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<v Speaker 2>added it was unclear whether Microsoft might convert these sqqs

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<v Speaker 2>in the future. These generally close close to one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>percent of the time. According to them, canceling these was

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<v Speaker 2>effectively rather unusual. Now TD Cohen also added that Microsoft

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<v Speaker 2>was reallocating a considerable portion of its projected international spend

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<v Speaker 2>to the US, which suggests to DD Cohen that there

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<v Speaker 2>was a material slow down in international leasing for Microsoft,

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<v Speaker 2>But one crucial, teeny tiny part of the report was

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<v Speaker 2>missed by just about everybody. I'm going to read directly

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<v Speaker 2>from the report, and you'll probably be able to tell

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<v Speaker 2>from the tone of my voice which the most pertinent

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<v Speaker 2>part is. Ah. As we highlighted in our recent takeaway

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<v Speaker 2>from PTC, the Pacific Telecommunications Council Conference, we learned via

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<v Speaker 2>our channel checks that Microsoft one walked away from multiple

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<v Speaker 2>one hundred plus make what deals in multiple markets that

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<v Speaker 2>were in early to mid stages and negotiations to let

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<v Speaker 2>one gigawatt of loys on larger footoprint sites expire, and

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<v Speaker 2>three walked away from at least five land parcels that

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<v Speaker 2>it had under contract in multiple Tier one markets. What

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<v Speaker 2>TD Cohen is saying is not just that Microsoft canceled

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<v Speaker 2>some data centers, but the Microsoft also effectively canceled over

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<v Speaker 2>a gigawatt of data center operations on top of the

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<v Speaker 2>previously reported multiple one hundred plus what megawat deals. If

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<v Speaker 2>we add in the land under contract, which is indeterminate.

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<v Speaker 2>Based on what tdcens has said and the deals that

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<v Speaker 2>were in flight, the total capacity likely amounts to even

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<v Speaker 2>more than a gigawat. For some context, data sent to

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<v Speaker 2>Dynamics reported that Microsoft had five gigawats of data center

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<v Speaker 2>capacity in April twenty twenty four, saying that Microsoft had

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<v Speaker 2>also planned to add one gigawat of capacity by the

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<v Speaker 2>October twenty twenty four and another one and a half

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<v Speaker 2>gigawats of capacity by the first half of twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>Based on this reporting, one can estimate the Microsoft as

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<v Speaker 2>somewhere between six and seven and a half gigawatts of

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<v Speaker 2>capacity at this time. As a result, based on td

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<v Speaker 2>Cohen's analyst analysis, even Microsoft has thro recombination of canceled leases,

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<v Speaker 2>pullbacks and statements of qualifications, cancelations of land parcels, and

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<v Speaker 2>deliberate expiration of letters of intent. That's those lois. They've

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<v Speaker 2>effectively abandoned data center expansion equivalent to over fourteen percent

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<v Speaker 2>of their current capacity. It's completely bloody insane, and this

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<v Speaker 2>story just kind of sat there. It kind of not

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<v Speaker 2>the market's confidence. But I don't know, I'm a lot

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<v Speaker 2>more worried about this than I think people are. And

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<v Speaker 2>really I don't like telling people how to feel, but

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<v Speaker 2>this kind of worries me. Okay, now I've thrown a

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<v Speaker 2>lot of new terminology at you. But before we move on,

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<v Speaker 2>let's explain some terms, because they're essential to understanding why

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<v Speaker 2>this is all such a big deal. First of all,

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<v Speaker 2>letter of intent or LOI in this context is a

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<v Speaker 2>statement that an entity intends to lease or buy land

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<v Speaker 2>or power from a data center. These can be binding

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<v Speaker 2>on non binding. A letter of intent is serious, though,

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<v Speaker 2>and walking away from one is not something you do idly.

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<v Speaker 2>It's not like not answering an email. Now we'll go

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<v Speaker 2>on to SQQS statements of qualifications. These set the terms

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<v Speaker 2>and conditions of a lease. While they do not themselves constitutally,

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<v Speaker 2>they convert into sign leases, as I mentioned, at an

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<v Speaker 2>almost one hundred percent rate according to TD Cohen, and

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<v Speaker 2>are generally used as a signal to the landowner to

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<v Speaker 2>start construction. Basically, they're the green light before the green lane.

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<v Speaker 2>As for Tier one markets, these are markets for hyperscale growth,

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<v Speaker 2>helped by favorable conditions like power, land and cabling. From

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<v Speaker 2>what I can tell, there's no fixed list of which

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<v Speaker 2>cities are Tier one in which aren't, but they include

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<v Speaker 2>obvious candidates like London, Singapore, as well as Northern Virginia,

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<v Speaker 2>which is the largest tube of data centers in the world. Finally,

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<v Speaker 2>we're talking power, megawatt and gigawe. This one is really important,

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<v Speaker 2>but it's also really confusing. Data center capacity is measured

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<v Speaker 2>not by the amount of computations the facility can handle,

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<v Speaker 2>but rather by power capacity, and that makes sense because

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<v Speaker 2>power capacity is directly linked to the capabilities of the facility,

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<v Speaker 2>with more power capacity allowing for more servers or more

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<v Speaker 2>power hungry chips, of course, and because chips themselves are

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<v Speaker 2>constantly getting faster and more power efficient. Power makes a

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<v Speaker 2>little more sense. If you mentioned in terms of computations

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<v Speaker 2>per second, you'd likely have a number that fluck you

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<v Speaker 2>as hardware as upgraded and decommissioned. When you hear megawat

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<v Speaker 2>or gigawatt in this episode, assume that we're talking about

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<v Speaker 2>capacity and not power generation unless I say otherwise. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>with that out of the way, let's talk more about

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<v Speaker 2>this report.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The numbers in the TD Cohen Report, which I'll link

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<v Speaker 2>in the episode spreadsheet, of course, heavily suggest that Microsoft,

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<v Speaker 2>the biggest purchaser of Nvidio GPUs and, according to Ted

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<v Speaker 2>Cohen and I quote, the most active data center LESE

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<v Speaker 2>of capacity in twenty twenty three and the first half

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty four, does not believe that there's future

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<v Speaker 2>growth in generative AI, nor does it have faith in,

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<v Speaker 2>nor does it want responsibility for the future of open AI.

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<v Speaker 2>Data center buildouts take three to six years to complete,

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<v Speaker 2>and the largest hyperscalar facilities can easily cost several billion dollars,

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<v Speaker 2>meaning that these moves are extremely forward looking. You don't

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<v Speaker 2>just build a data center for the demand GI now,

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<v Speaker 2>but for the demand you expect further down the line.

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<v Speaker 2>This suggests that Microsoft believes its current infrastructure and its

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<v Speaker 2>likely scaled back plans for expansion will be sufficient for

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<v Speaker 2>a movement that Sachynadella once called a golden age for systems.

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<v Speaker 2>He did that less than a year ago. To quote

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<v Speaker 2>TD Cohen again, the magnitude of both potential data center

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<v Speaker 2>capacity Microsoft walked away from the decision to pull back

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<v Speaker 2>on land acquisition, which supports core long term capacity growth,

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<v Speaker 2>in our view, indicates the loss of a major demand

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<v Speaker 2>signal that Microsoft was originally responding to, and that we

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<v Speaker 2>believe the shift is in their appetite for capacity is

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<v Speaker 2>tied to open AI. To explain here, TD Cowen is

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<v Speaker 2>effectively saying that Microsoft is responding to a major demand signal,

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<v Speaker 2>and said major demand signal is saying you do not

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<v Speaker 2>need more data centers. Said demand signal that Microsoft was

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<v Speaker 2>responding to, in TD Cohen's words, is its appetite for

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<v Speaker 2>capacity to provide servers to open AI. And it seems

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<v Speaker 2>that said appetite is waning and Microsoft no longer wants

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<v Speaker 2>to build out data centers for America's most swagged out

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<v Speaker 2>AI guy. Now, I say that kind of as a joke,

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<v Speaker 2>and I do think that he's more swagged out than

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<v Speaker 2>Mark Zuckerberg. Mark Zuckerberg's trying too hard. However, Sam Moltman

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<v Speaker 2>is more damp than Mark Zuckerberg, so ultimately Zuckerberg wins. Now,

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<v Speaker 2>I want to make it clear that Microsoft is effectively

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<v Speaker 2>cutting its data center expansion by over a gigawatt of capacity,

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<v Speaker 2>if not more, and it's impossible to reconcile these cuts

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<v Speaker 2>with the expectation that generative AI will be this massive,

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<v Speaker 2>transformative technological phenomenon. I believe that the reason that Microsoft

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<v Speaker 2>is coming back is that it does not have the

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<v Speaker 2>appetite to provide further data center expansion for open Ai,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's having doubts about the future of generative AI

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<v Speaker 2>as a whole. If Microsoft believed that there was a

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<v Speaker 2>massive opportunity in supporting open AI's further growth, or that

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<v Speaker 2>it had massive demand for generative AI services, there'd be

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<v Speaker 2>no reason to cancel capacity, let alone cats or such

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<v Speaker 2>a significant amount. These moves also suggest that Microsoft is

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<v Speaker 2>walking away from building and training further large frontier models

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<v Speaker 2>like chat GPT's GPT four point five now and from

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<v Speaker 2>supporting doing so for others. Remember, Microsoft has significantly more

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<v Speaker 2>insight into the current health and growth of GENERATIVEAI than

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<v Speaker 2>any other company. Remember they have full access to all

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<v Speaker 2>of open AI's tech, probably the future stuff too, not

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<v Speaker 2>that there's much they know. All their research too, Microsoft

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<v Speaker 2>knows something we don't. As open AI's largest backer and

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<v Speaker 2>infrastructural partner and the owners of the server architecture where

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<v Speaker 2>they train them ultra expensive models, not to mention, the

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<v Speaker 2>largest shareholder in OpenAI, Microsoft can see exactly what is

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<v Speaker 2>or isn't coming down the pike on top of having

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<v Speaker 2>a view into both the sales of its own GENERATIVEAI

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<v Speaker 2>powered software such as Microsoft three sixty five copiler, and

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<v Speaker 2>sales of both model services and cloud compute for other

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<v Speaker 2>models run on Microsoft A zero, which is their cloud

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<v Speaker 2>platform in plain English, Microsoft, which arguably has more data

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<v Speaker 2>than anybody else about the health of the generative AI

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<v Speaker 2>industry and its potential for growth, has decided that it

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<v Speaker 2>needs to dramatically slow down its expansion.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>To be clear, this expansion, I really am hammering this

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<v Speaker 2>home a lot, but I need you to understand this

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<v Speaker 2>is absolutely necessary for generative AI to continue evolving expanding,

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<v Speaker 2>even if it only does so in ways that kind

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<v Speaker 2>of do the same thing again and again. Now, before

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<v Speaker 2>we move on, I want to make it clear that

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying that Microsoft has stopped building data centers.

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<v Speaker 2>I've said it a few times, but these projects take

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<v Speaker 2>years three to six years to complete and are far

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<v Speaker 2>far in advance with their planning, and Microsoft does have

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<v Speaker 2>a few big projects in the works. One plan three

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and twenty four megawatt Microsoft Data center in Atlanta

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<v Speaker 2>is expected to cost one zero point eight billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>and as far as I know, this deal is still

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<v Speaker 2>in flight, however, and this was cited separately by TD Cohen.

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<v Speaker 2>Microsoft has recently paused construction on parts of its three

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<v Speaker 2>point three billion dollar data center campus in Mount Pleasant, Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 2>While Microsoft had tried to reassure locals that the first

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<v Speaker 2>phase of the project was on course to be complete

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<v Speaker 2>on time, its justification of delaying the rest of it

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<v Speaker 2>was well not brilliant, and it was to give Microsoft

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<v Speaker 2>an opportunity to evaluate and I quote the project's scope

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<v Speaker 2>and recent changes in technology, and consider how this might

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<v Speaker 2>impact the design of its facilities. Oh, bob, oh, buddy,

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<v Speaker 2>that's not good. You don't want it. No. One evaluates

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<v Speaker 2>the scope and then goes, oh, actually the scope is great.

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<v Speaker 2>I love it. Nor do they think about impacts and

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<v Speaker 2>go oh, let's do more. No, no, no, anyway, the

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<v Speaker 2>same registered article I'm citing here adds that and I

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<v Speaker 2>quote the review process may include the need to negotiate

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<v Speaker 2>some building permits, potentially placing another hurdle in the way

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<v Speaker 2>of the project. The register did add that Microsoft said

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<v Speaker 2>it expected to complete one hyperscaler data center in Mount

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<v Speaker 2>Pleasant as originally planned, though its capacity wasn't available. Arguably,

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<v Speaker 2>Microsoft would expand its data center infrastructure. Anyway, as more

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<v Speaker 2>stuff moves to the cloud and our dependence grows on it,

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<v Speaker 2>Microsoft and other providers need to build capacity. The organic

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<v Speaker 2>growth is natural and sadly inevitable. However, Microsoft's plans for

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<v Speaker 2>data center expansion were far far in excess of that

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<v Speaker 2>natural growth, and perhaps we're seeing a pullback from those

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<v Speaker 2>stated extravagances into something perhaps a little more reasonable.

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<v Speaker 3>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>I've talked a lot about megawards and gigawats, and you're

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<v Speaker 2>not in the data center business, and you should be.

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<v Speaker 2>The parties are an absolute laugh. This can all seem

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<v Speaker 2>a bit abstract, so let's put it into context. Without context,

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<v Speaker 2>it's hard to understand how big and one hundred megawat

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<v Speaker 2>data center is. These are some of the biggest. According

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<v Speaker 2>to the International Energy Agency, Small data centers can consume

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<v Speaker 2>anywhere between one and five megawats. These are, for the

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<v Speaker 2>most part, average size facilities, perhaps not for cloud compute giants,

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<v Speaker 2>but for other companies. It's kind of part of the course.

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<v Speaker 2>One hundred megawats, by comparison, is huge. It's the equivalent

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<v Speaker 2>of the annual energy consumption of between three hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>fifty thousand, four hundred thousand electric cars, and I know

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<v Speaker 2>some sort of pedant it's going to say, it's not

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<v Speaker 2>the same thing, shout out a fuck up. Go outside,

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<v Speaker 2>stop listen, go outside, go outside now, go do something anyway,

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<v Speaker 2>Although there are others that will likely dwarf what we

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<v Speaker 2>today considered to be a large facility, META is in

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<v Speaker 2>the process of constructing, for example, a ten billion dollar

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<v Speaker 2>data center campus in Louisiana with a proposed two gigawat capacity. Still,

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<v Speaker 2>whatever way you cut it, and one hundred megawatt facility

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<v Speaker 2>is big and it's a big long term investment. Cushman

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<v Speaker 2>and Wakefield's twenty twenty four global data center market comparison

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<v Speaker 2>gives some chilling context into how significant Microsoft's pullback is.

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<v Speaker 2>A gigawatt of data set to capacity is roughly the

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<v Speaker 2>entire operational IT load of Tokyo, which has a one

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<v Speaker 2>point to eight gigawatt capacity, or London nine hundred and

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<v Speaker 2>ninety six megawatts, or the Bay Area, which only has

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<v Speaker 2>eight hundred and forty two megawatts. These are actually very large.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just that Microsoft got rid of so much more.

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<v Speaker 2>And again, the total figure of canceled or abandoned capacity

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<v Speaker 2>is likely far higher than a gigawatt. That number only

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<v Speaker 2>accounts for the letters of intent that Microsoft allowed to expire.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't include everything else that the two data sentences

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<v Speaker 2>already killed, or the land pass was it abandoned, or

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<v Speaker 2>the deals that were in early to mid stages of negotiation.

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<v Speaker 2>Imagine walking away from two London's or two Tokyos of

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<v Speaker 2>capacity and it not being a massive deal. This is

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<v Speaker 2>a huge flipping deal. Microsoft is not simply walking back

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<v Speaker 2>some future plans. It's effectively canceling what it loudly insisted

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<v Speaker 2>was the future. If you think this sounds hyperbolic, consider this.

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<v Speaker 2>London and Tokyo are respectively the biggest data center markets

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<v Speaker 2>in Europe and Asia, according to the same Cushman and

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<v Speaker 2>Wakefield report. Canceling city's worth of capacity at a time when

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<v Speaker 2>artificial intelligence is supposedly revolutionizing everything certainly suggests that artificial

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<v Speaker 2>intelligence isn't really revolutionizing anything now. One other detail in

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<v Speaker 2>TD Cohen's report really stood out to me. While this

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<v Speaker 2>pullback in Microsoft's data center leasing, It's also seen a

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<v Speaker 2>commensurate rise in demand from Oracle related to the Stargate project,

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<v Speaker 2>a relatively new partnership of up to five hundred billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollars stopped saying it's five hundred billion dollars to build

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<v Speaker 2>massive new data centers for Ai, specifically for one company

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<v Speaker 2>led by soft Bank and of course open Ai with

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<v Speaker 2>investment from Oracle and MGX and one hundred billion dollar

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<v Speaker 2>investment fund backed by the United Arab Emirates. Open Ai

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<v Speaker 2>has committed eighteen to nineteen billion dollars to the Stargate project,

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<v Speaker 2>money it doesn't have, meaning that part of the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five to forty billion dollars that they're raising at the

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<v Speaker 2>moment will be committed to funding these data centers, and

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<v Speaker 2>less as I'll get to later. Open Ai raises more

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<v Speaker 2>in debt. Leading the round is SoftBank, which is also

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<v Speaker 2>committing eighteen to nineteen billion dollars, as well as creating

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<v Speaker 2>a joint venture fund called sb open Ai Japan to

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<v Speaker 2>offer open Ai services to the Japanese market, something that

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<v Speaker 2>I thought was already happening, as well as spending three

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<v Speaker 2>billion dollars annually to use open AI's technology across its

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<v Speaker 2>group businesses. According to The Wall Street Journal. In simpler terms,

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<v Speaker 2>soft Bank is investing as much as I think it's

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<v Speaker 2>going to be like thirty billion dollars in open Ai,

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<v Speaker 2>then spending another three billion dollars a year on software

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<v Speaker 2>that only loses money and still hallucinates and shows no

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<v Speaker 2>side of getting meaningfully better or more reliable. Well a

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<v Speaker 2>soft bank actually sees value in open AI's tech, or

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<v Speaker 2>whether this purchase dealer is a subsidy by the back

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<v Speaker 2>door is open to debate. Given that three billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>is equivalent to open AI's entire revenue from selling premium

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<v Speaker 2>access to Chatch GPT in twenty twenty four, which included

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<v Speaker 2>some major deals with the likes of Price Waterhouse Coopers,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm inclined to believe the latter. Even then, how is

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<v Speaker 2>it feasible that SoftBank can continue paying to get the

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<v Speaker 2>deal done? Microsoft changed the terms of its exclusive relationship

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<v Speaker 2>with open Ai to allow it to work with Oracle

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<v Speaker 2>to build out further data centers full of GPUs necessary

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<v Speaker 2>to power open AI's big, shitty, unprofitable and unsustainable models.

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<v Speaker 2>The open Ai Oracle stargate situation was a direct result,

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<v Speaker 2>according to reporting from the Information of open Ai becoming

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<v Speaker 2>frustrated with Microsoft and not providing it with service fast enough,

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<v Speaker 2>including an allotment of three hundred thousand of nvidious GBT

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<v Speaker 2>two hundred chips by the end of twenty twenty five.

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<v Speaker 2>For what it's worth, The Wall Street Journal reports that

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<v Speaker 2>Microsoft was getting increasingly frustrated with open AI's constant demands

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<v Speaker 2>for more compute. The relationship between the two entities had

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<v Speaker 2>start to fray, with both sides feeling kind of aggrieved. This,

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<v Speaker 2>combined with Microsoft's data center pullback, heavily suggests that Microsoft

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<v Speaker 2>is no longer interested in being open AI's infrastructure paypig

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<v Speaker 2>long term, at least after all it was if it was,

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<v Speaker 2>I mean it funded and support open AI's expansion rather

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<v Speaker 2>than doing the literal opposite.

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<v Speaker 3>And you have to.

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<v Speaker 2>Wonder if when that whole non exclusisive thing came along,

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<v Speaker 2>whether Microsoft was kind of like, no, no, you couldn't

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<v Speaker 2>possibly like the papers already at the pen they've already

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<v Speaker 2>got a stamp Ford sad woman's signature. No, don't sign

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<v Speaker 2>it. It would be so bad. No, I really don't. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think that Microsoft's too cut up about that. And

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<v Speaker 2>here's a question for you. If general, if AI had

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<v Speaker 2>so much demand, why is Microsoft canceling data centrare contracts.

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<v Speaker 2>Why is Microsoft Oracle's largest customer as at the end

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<v Speaker 2>of twenty twenty three, allowing softmank and open Ai to

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<v Speaker 2>work with Oracle to build the future rather than Microsoft.

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<v Speaker 2>As mentioned previously, TD Cohen specifically noted in its report

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<v Speaker 2>that microsoft shifting appetite for capacity was tied to open Ai, which,

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<v Speaker 2>as I've said already, heavily suggests that Microsoft is at

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<v Speaker 2>best less invested in the future of the company, a

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<v Speaker 2>statement confirmed by the information which adds that Microsoft have

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<v Speaker 2>been trying to and I quote lessen its reliance and

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<v Speaker 2>open ai technology as they increasingly compete in selling AI

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<v Speaker 2>products well. At worse, this situation could suggest that Microsoft

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<v Speaker 2>is actively trying to dump open ai and it's having

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<v Speaker 2>questions about the fundamentals of this industry. Writ large in

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<v Speaker 2>very plain terms, Microsoft, despite its excitement around AI and

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<v Speaker 2>its dogged insistence that it's the future, has canceled data

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<v Speaker 2>center leases of over a gig or what of other

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<v Speaker 2>data center infrastructure. Doing so heavily suggests that they do

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<v Speaker 2>not intend to expand further, or at least to the

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<v Speaker 2>extraordinary levels that they'd initially promised. I know, I'm being

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<v Speaker 2>kind of repetitive. I know that I'm saying some of

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<v Speaker 2>these things repeatedly, and you might think why. I need

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<v Speaker 2>you to understand how significant this is because this did

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<v Speaker 2>not get covered enough. The coverage of this was dogshit.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying it, frankly, everyone missed this detail. I am

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<v Speaker 2>just one guy. I do a podcast and a newsletter

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<v Speaker 2>and I run a PR firm. Why am I the

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<v Speaker 2>person every not every time? But it just drives me

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<v Speaker 2>a little insane because this was seeing that how many

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<v Speaker 2>reporters actually read this report too. This is what drives

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<v Speaker 2>me insane with my work. But I really do enjoy

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<v Speaker 2>it was all right. While Microsoft has reiterated that it

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<v Speaker 2>intends to spend a ridiculous eighty billion dollars in capital

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<v Speaker 2>expenditures on AI in twenty twenty five, per CNBC article,

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<v Speaker 2>it's unclear how it intends to do so if it's

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<v Speaker 2>pulling back on data center expansion at such a large scale,

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<v Speaker 2>and the company has provided no tangible explanation or elaboration

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<v Speaker 2>as to how it might do so. While hardware upgrades

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<v Speaker 2>could account for some of those CAPEX, it would be

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<v Speaker 2>nowhere near the eighty billion dollar figure. Again, hyperscale data

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<v Speaker 2>centers aren't cheap. They're massive billion dollar or multi billion

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<v Speaker 2>dollar ventures. Microsoft, according to CNBC, also leases data center

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<v Speaker 2>capacity through core Weave and other providers, though at that

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<v Speaker 2>point the reporter has stopped being curious enough to ask

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<v Speaker 2>how much or who those other providers might be. Now, Luckily,

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<v Speaker 2>with the power of research, I found that the information

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<v Speaker 2>report that Microsoft plants spend about tenion dollars renting core

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<v Speaker 2>Weave service between twenty twenty three and twenty thirty, which

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<v Speaker 2>was also reported by CNBC and otherwise anyway planned past

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<v Speaker 2>tense being the operative word, because last week we learned

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<v Speaker 2>that Microsoft plans to scale back its purchase of capacity

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<v Speaker 2>from core Weave. Core Weave is, as you'll find out

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<v Speaker 2>in a future episode and newsletter probably before that. They're

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<v Speaker 2>a very odd company which is closely tied to another

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<v Speaker 2>company called core Scientific, which it actually rents service from,

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<v Speaker 2>and that company exited Chapter eleven bankruptcy only last year.

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<v Speaker 2>Core Scientific's financial statements, by the way, are very confusing.

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<v Speaker 2>They're a mess, and it mostly makes its money not

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<v Speaker 2>from selling high performance computer services, but from mining bitcoin.

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<v Speaker 2>It's a weird relationship, and it's weird to still that

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<v Speaker 2>Microsoft is even entangled with a company connected to Core Scientific.

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<v Speaker 2>But again, that's a future episode, future newsletter, future panic

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<v Speaker 2>attack that I'll give myself as I read s once

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<v Speaker 2>all day. Moving on, Microsoft also added in a comment

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<v Speaker 2>to CNBC in the same article that it continues to

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<v Speaker 2>grow at a record pace to meet customer demand. Okay,

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<v Speaker 2>excuse me. What customer demand? What customer demand? What is it?

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<v Speaker 2>What is the customer demand? What is going on? Microsoft

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<v Speaker 2>said back in April twenty twenty four that AI demand

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<v Speaker 2>was exceeding supply even after a seventy nine percent surgeon

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<v Speaker 2>capital expenditures, and Cfoamyhood send in their next quarterly earnings

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<v Speaker 2>in July twenty twenty four that demand remained higher than

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<v Speaker 2>microsoft available capacity. On its most recent January twenty twenty

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<v Speaker 2>five earning score, Cfoamyhood once again said, as your growth

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<v Speaker 2>included thirteen points from AI services, which grew one hundred

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<v Speaker 2>and fifty seven percent year of a year and was

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<v Speaker 2>ahead of expectations even as demand continued to be higher

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<v Speaker 2>than our available capacity. Riddle me this, batman, Why does

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<v Speaker 2>a company that keeps talking about having demand that exceeds

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<v Speaker 2>capacity decide to cancel multiple data centers which collectively account

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<v Speaker 2>for a significant chunk of its existing capacity. I don't know.

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<v Speaker 2>Let's see what Microsoft had to say when asked a

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<v Speaker 2>week or two ago. Ahem. Thanks to the significant investments

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<v Speaker 2>we've made up until this point, we are well positioned

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<v Speaker 2>to beat our current and increasing customer demand. Last year alone,

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<v Speaker 2>we added more capacity than any prior year in history.

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<v Speaker 2>What we may strategically pay just our infrastructure in some areas,

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<v Speaker 2>we will continue to grow strongly in all regions. This

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<v Speaker 2>allows us to invest in, allocate resources to grow areas

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<v Speaker 2>and for our future. The fuck are you talking about?

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<v Speaker 2>Sounds like Microsoft built too much capacity and in fact

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<v Speaker 2>as yet to see the customer demand that actually could

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<v Speaker 2>reach it. In fact, a couple weeks ago, Microsoft's CEO

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<v Speaker 2>Saturnadella said in a podcast interview that one of the

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<v Speaker 2>things is that there will be as a result of

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<v Speaker 2>data center expansion related to AI overbuild. Why is the

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<v Speaker 2>CEO of Microsoft saying that if nothing's changed. Microsoft also

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<v Speaker 2>in late January said it had thirteen billion dollars in

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<v Speaker 2>annual recurring revenue from AI. And by the way, that's

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<v Speaker 2>that's revenue. That's revenue. It's revenue, it's not profit and

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<v Speaker 2>On top of that, they don't. It's not like they've

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<v Speaker 2>made thirteen billion dollars. They're multiplying like a month's revenue

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<v Speaker 2>by twelve. And by the way, AI is also not

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<v Speaker 2>a line item on Microsoft's earnings, meaning that all of

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<v Speaker 2>this is just related revenue put into a hatamari and

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<v Speaker 2>rolled around by satching a Dell or picking up chairs

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<v Speaker 2>and shit in the office. Either way, this is a

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<v Speaker 2>piss poor amount that works out to about three point

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<v Speaker 2>twenty five billion dollars a quarter. These are mediocre numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>Their bush league and Microsoft's data center pullback suggests that

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<v Speaker 2>they're not going to improve. But wait, wait, or perhaps

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<v Speaker 2>Microsoft's pullback has something to do with Stargate open aiy's

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<v Speaker 2>big infrastructure project. In fact, I think that might have

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<v Speaker 2>something to do with a great deal. Let's take a look.

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<v Speaker 2>According to the information, open ai plans to have stargate

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<v Speaker 2>handle three quarters of its computing needs by twenty thirty.

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<v Speaker 2>Look they'll make it, which heavily suggests that Microsoft canceling

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<v Speaker 2>so much capacity is on some level linked to open

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<v Speaker 2>AI's future plans and not being part of them. Well,

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<v Speaker 2>the information reports that open ai is still forecasting to

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<v Speaker 2>spend thirteen billion dollars in twenty twenty five and as

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<v Speaker 2>much as twenty eight billion dollars in twenty twenty eight

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<v Speaker 2>on Microsoft's cloud compute in addition to whatever capacity it

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<v Speaker 2>gets from Stargate or Oracle. One has to wonder how

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<v Speaker 2>it intends to do so if it needs capacity that

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<v Speaker 2>Microsoft isn't building and doesn't have. And these are two

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<v Speaker 2>huge numbers, by the way. For context, thirteen billion dollars

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<v Speaker 2>is about ten percent of Microsoft's cloud revenue in the

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty four fiscal year, though it's unclear whether Microsoft

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<v Speaker 2>counts open AI's compute spenders its revenue. Nevertheless, I got

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<v Speaker 2>some real concerns about whether open ai is even capable

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<v Speaker 2>of expanding further, starting with a fairly obvious one. Open

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<v Speaker 2>AI's only source of money SoftBank, the world's worst tech

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<v Speaker 2>investor and the only company in the world better incinerating

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<v Speaker 2>huge piles of cash, and open Ai, well, they got

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<v Speaker 2>some money issues that I'll get into, and funnily enough,

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<v Speaker 2>that is going to be the topic of the next episode.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not convinced that Microsoft's pullback is driven by Stargate

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<v Speaker 2>largly because I don't think Stargate at least with the

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<v Speaker 2>current spending goals and capacity targets is actually viable. The

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<v Speaker 2>real motivations, I believe have far more to do with

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<v Speaker 2>the fact that Microsoft is recognizing that maybe it got

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<v Speaker 2>generative AI and a large part of its future all wrong.

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