1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:07,600 Speaker 1: This is Unbreakable with Jay Glacier, a mental wealth podcast 2 00:00:08,760 --> 00:00:10,799 Speaker 1: build you from the inside out. 3 00:00:11,760 --> 00:00:13,640 Speaker 2: Now Here's Jay Glacier. 4 00:00:15,080 --> 00:00:18,200 Speaker 1: Welcome into Unbreakable mental Wealth podcast with Jay Glazer. I'm 5 00:00:18,400 --> 00:00:21,919 Speaker 1: Jay Glazer and joining me today is somebody who our 6 00:00:22,040 --> 00:00:26,240 Speaker 1: universes have connected in the past and so many different ways. 7 00:00:26,680 --> 00:00:28,440 Speaker 1: And it's not what he does for a living what 8 00:00:28,520 --> 00:00:30,200 Speaker 1: I do for a living, but it's gonna be pretty 9 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:32,440 Speaker 1: cool when you all hear it. You guys probably know 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:38,320 Speaker 1: Mike Posner, who is a huge performer, producer, director everything 11 00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,239 Speaker 1: you Can Imagine, also has recently produced his own community 12 00:00:42,479 --> 00:00:44,680 Speaker 1: right Inner Bloom, trying to help you build up on 13 00:00:44,720 --> 00:00:47,199 Speaker 1: the inside out. We're going to talk about that a 14 00:00:47,200 --> 00:00:50,159 Speaker 1: little bit. Released a new album recently called The Beginning. 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 2: Man. 16 00:00:51,080 --> 00:00:54,080 Speaker 1: Mike, so happy to have you here. I appreciate you 17 00:00:54,200 --> 00:00:55,880 Speaker 1: and you time in and I'm gonna tell people how 18 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:56,360 Speaker 1: we met. 19 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 3: Nos thank you for having me. It's been been a 20 00:00:58,880 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 3: long time coming. And I just really like you personally, 21 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:07,199 Speaker 3: so I'm excited to interface with your audience, but even 22 00:01:07,240 --> 00:01:10,160 Speaker 3: more some just you say, to have a conversation with you. Brother. 23 00:01:10,240 --> 00:01:12,640 Speaker 1: You know what, man, what I love about you as 24 00:01:12,680 --> 00:01:15,000 Speaker 1: you and I like I don't know what your reasoning 25 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:18,600 Speaker 1: is for me. I looked at it like, because I've 26 00:01:18,640 --> 00:01:23,240 Speaker 1: done so many bad sob stuff in this world. I 27 00:01:23,280 --> 00:01:25,440 Speaker 1: was like, you know what, no one's ever gonna question 28 00:01:25,520 --> 00:01:27,680 Speaker 1: my manhood. I can cry on the drop of a time. 29 00:01:27,720 --> 00:01:30,559 Speaker 1: I'm gonna start using my pain and paying it forward, 30 00:01:30,640 --> 00:01:32,319 Speaker 1: using my pain to help others through theirs. 31 00:01:32,640 --> 00:01:35,559 Speaker 2: And I kind of several years ago said, if. 32 00:01:35,440 --> 00:01:38,720 Speaker 1: We're gonna start being vulnerable and opening up, I want 33 00:01:38,720 --> 00:01:40,880 Speaker 1: to be the one to lead the way. God blessed 34 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 1: me with the ability to communicate, and I'm gonna start 35 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:46,640 Speaker 1: doing it. But I didn't fear it because I'm like 36 00:01:46,959 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: and I fought in a cage, I've wrestled football players. 37 00:01:49,680 --> 00:01:52,320 Speaker 2: I'm a bad soob. You've done the same thing. 38 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:55,760 Speaker 1: You've got a similar transformation, and I want you to 39 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,040 Speaker 1: tell the audience about that, but also tell me why, 40 00:01:58,120 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: what prompted it, What gave you? 41 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,320 Speaker 2: I guess that the bravery to do that. 42 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:04,400 Speaker 3: Well, it wasn't so much bravery that started my journey, 43 00:02:04,520 --> 00:02:08,240 Speaker 3: Jay was. It was good old fashioned pain. I was 44 00:02:08,280 --> 00:02:12,240 Speaker 3: twenty nine, my father just passed away. One of my 45 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 3: best childhood friends, Ronnie, had just passed away. And my 46 00:02:16,320 --> 00:02:19,520 Speaker 3: peer was also my friend, but my collaborator of Ichi. 47 00:02:19,639 --> 00:02:22,680 Speaker 3: It just passed away, and I remember looking in the 48 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 3: mirror in West Hollywood and thinking that, like, is this it? 49 00:02:27,919 --> 00:02:29,839 Speaker 3: You know? I played the game. I was twenty nine, 50 00:02:30,960 --> 00:02:33,040 Speaker 3: and I played the game so well. I had millions 51 00:02:33,040 --> 00:02:37,639 Speaker 3: of dollars, I've become famous, I had Grammy nominations, and 52 00:02:37,840 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 3: something just felt so empty in my life, to the 53 00:02:41,320 --> 00:02:45,680 Speaker 3: point where I was thinking, you know, if I killed myself, 54 00:02:46,560 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 3: the world would be just fine. Like, I'm not sure 55 00:02:49,080 --> 00:02:54,440 Speaker 3: I'm really adding anything here. That's not a nice story, 56 00:02:54,480 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 3: but it's the beginning of a story. It's not an end, right, 57 00:03:00,320 --> 00:03:04,680 Speaker 3: And so that's what started my journey. I decided right there, buddy, Yeah, 58 00:03:04,680 --> 00:03:08,720 Speaker 3: I just I decided that year. Listen, I love this phrase. 59 00:03:08,760 --> 00:03:13,200 Speaker 3: It is when the future is empty, the present is unbearable. 60 00:03:13,720 --> 00:03:17,240 Speaker 3: When the future is empty, the present is unbearable. So 61 00:03:17,440 --> 00:03:21,800 Speaker 3: if there's nothing in my future I look forward to, Yeah, 62 00:03:22,280 --> 00:03:24,240 Speaker 3: this moment right now is gonna be pretty tough to 63 00:03:24,280 --> 00:03:27,160 Speaker 3: get through. So I needed to put something in my 64 00:03:27,280 --> 00:03:31,920 Speaker 3: future that a didn't make any sense right was was 65 00:03:31,919 --> 00:03:34,400 Speaker 3: was gonna be something that shook me out of whatever 66 00:03:35,200 --> 00:03:39,280 Speaker 3: hedonistic fever dream and trance I had fallen into, and 67 00:03:39,320 --> 00:03:42,240 Speaker 3: I needed something that scared me, that was that was 68 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:45,360 Speaker 3: in my future and in a good way, and something 69 00:03:45,400 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 3: that inspired me. And so I chose that year to 70 00:03:50,000 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 3: walk across America on foot. I chose. I said, I'm 71 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:58,360 Speaker 3: gonna I'm gonna start on in the Atlantic Ocean Asbury, Partner, Jersey. 72 00:03:59,040 --> 00:04:00,160 Speaker 2: That's why I was born. 73 00:04:00,360 --> 00:04:02,840 Speaker 3: You're born in Asbury Parker or nept. 74 00:04:02,680 --> 00:04:05,360 Speaker 2: To, which is next to it, but Josh, that's where 75 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:05,760 Speaker 2: I was born. 76 00:04:05,800 --> 00:04:09,240 Speaker 3: Yep, oh way. And I said, I'm gonna just keep 77 00:04:09,240 --> 00:04:11,480 Speaker 3: walking until I get to the other side. Now, you 78 00:04:11,600 --> 00:04:16,480 Speaker 3: got to keep in mind, I'm twenty nine and I'm soft. Okay, 79 00:04:16,560 --> 00:04:20,919 Speaker 3: I've accomplished a lot, but I got soft little piano 80 00:04:21,040 --> 00:04:24,920 Speaker 3: hands right from being in the studio. My whole life 81 00:04:25,000 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 3: at that point is designed for me to be the 82 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:31,200 Speaker 3: most comfortable. I got a spider web of agents and 83 00:04:31,279 --> 00:04:34,680 Speaker 3: managers assistants around me just doing everything I want. So 84 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,720 Speaker 3: for me to say, hey, I want to make my 85 00:04:36,760 --> 00:04:41,800 Speaker 3: life uncomfortable. You know, it's not my walk across America 86 00:04:41,880 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 3: is not special. Ten to fifteen people do it every year, 87 00:04:44,880 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 3: but none of those people walked away from what I 88 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 3: walked away from which was what everybody else wants. Fame, adoration, money, 89 00:04:53,240 --> 00:04:56,880 Speaker 3: attention from the opposite sex, right, everything that we all 90 00:04:56,960 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 3: dream of. I had and it didn't work. So I 91 00:04:59,720 --> 00:05:02,240 Speaker 3: said to try something else. So I put this thing 92 00:05:02,320 --> 00:05:05,839 Speaker 3: in my future, this goal of walking across America, because 93 00:05:05,880 --> 00:05:09,119 Speaker 3: I said, dude, the current version of me who's living 94 00:05:09,200 --> 00:05:13,320 Speaker 3: in this West Hollywood guesthouse can't do it. For me 95 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:16,279 Speaker 3: to get to the other side, I'm going to have 96 00:05:16,320 --> 00:05:20,560 Speaker 3: to become a new human being. I'm not tough enough 97 00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:24,159 Speaker 3: right now. I know I can't do it. So this goal, 98 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:27,280 Speaker 3: if I can achieve it, is going to obliterate all 99 00:05:27,279 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 3: my other goal. It's going to make me a new 100 00:05:28,880 --> 00:05:31,240 Speaker 3: human being. I don't know how I'm going to do it, 101 00:05:31,320 --> 00:05:33,520 Speaker 3: but I'm going to figure it out and I'm not 102 00:05:33,560 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 3: going to stop until I do it. And so this 103 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:41,480 Speaker 3: is the gift now of putting something compelling in the future, 104 00:05:41,839 --> 00:05:44,320 Speaker 3: what I call a soul goal, not just like, hey, 105 00:05:44,360 --> 00:05:46,839 Speaker 3: you know, I want to increase revenue ten percent. It's 106 00:05:46,839 --> 00:05:49,480 Speaker 3: not a soul goal. Is like, I don't know if 107 00:05:49,520 --> 00:05:51,560 Speaker 3: I can do this, but if I can pull it off, 108 00:05:51,760 --> 00:05:53,960 Speaker 3: it would change everything. That's this old goal and it 109 00:05:54,000 --> 00:05:58,080 Speaker 3: scares me. So the benefit of a soul goal is 110 00:05:58,120 --> 00:06:00,720 Speaker 3: that it can reach back. This thing in the future, 111 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:04,720 Speaker 3: can reach back from the future and imbue the present 112 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:10,159 Speaker 3: moments suffering with meaning. Right, As a Nietzsche said, he 113 00:06:10,279 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 3: who has a why can overcome almost anyhow, Right. So, 114 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:17,240 Speaker 3: if I know why I'm doing what I'm doing, then 115 00:06:17,480 --> 00:06:20,760 Speaker 3: there's nothing that can stop me. Most people get it backwards. 116 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: They start trying to figure out how First, give me 117 00:06:23,040 --> 00:06:24,960 Speaker 3: the top ten tricks, give me the thing. But if 118 00:06:25,000 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 3: you know why you're doing it those tricks, you can 119 00:06:28,080 --> 00:06:29,440 Speaker 3: throw all those tricks out the window. 120 00:06:29,720 --> 00:06:32,040 Speaker 1: You know, it's the first first color and coaching might 121 00:06:32,040 --> 00:06:33,880 Speaker 1: have been give them a why, don't just tell them 122 00:06:33,920 --> 00:06:34,200 Speaker 1: do it? 123 00:06:34,480 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: Why are they doing it like this? Absolutely? 124 00:06:36,480 --> 00:06:38,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's right. And if they know, hey, what are 125 00:06:38,960 --> 00:06:42,039 Speaker 3: we working for? Working for a championship? And then we 126 00:06:42,200 --> 00:06:44,679 Speaker 3: know that's why I'm doing two a days right now. 127 00:06:45,200 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 3: And does it suck, Yes, it sucks, but I know 128 00:06:47,360 --> 00:06:51,040 Speaker 3: why it sucks. And in the future, just the chance 129 00:06:51,080 --> 00:06:54,800 Speaker 3: of it happening is so glorious and so beautiful and 130 00:06:54,839 --> 00:06:58,800 Speaker 3: so inspiring to me that I am now willing to 131 00:06:59,080 --> 00:07:02,440 Speaker 3: overcome this stuff that I'm in right now, because suffering 132 00:07:02,480 --> 00:07:05,880 Speaker 3: is part of life absolutely, and you know this, but 133 00:07:05,920 --> 00:07:08,960 Speaker 3: maybe your audience, you know they're young or whatever, it's coming. 134 00:07:09,240 --> 00:07:11,120 Speaker 3: There's could be moments. No one gets out of this 135 00:07:11,160 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 3: thing unscathed without being challenged in a very real way, 136 00:07:14,440 --> 00:07:18,680 Speaker 3: whether it's emotionally, spiritually, physically. And so we have to 137 00:07:18,880 --> 00:07:22,840 Speaker 3: give ourselves the gift of a why and a sole goal, 138 00:07:23,320 --> 00:07:25,239 Speaker 3: and then we can we can overcome anything. 139 00:07:26,280 --> 00:07:28,800 Speaker 1: What Mike is saying, also, I think people kind of 140 00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 1: they kind of back away from those hard things. You 141 00:07:31,400 --> 00:07:33,960 Speaker 1: have to realize adversity is a gift. You got heaven 142 00:07:34,040 --> 00:07:36,320 Speaker 1: and you have earth. This ain't heaven that we're living. 143 00:07:36,480 --> 00:07:38,960 Speaker 1: You're gonna have problems. There's no godbooks, there's no Mic 144 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,480 Speaker 1: posters and Jay Glazers. When you have the good times, 145 00:07:41,560 --> 00:07:44,000 Speaker 1: it's for bad times. You don't need helping the good times. 146 00:07:44,120 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 1: You just need the bad times. And that's really the 147 00:07:46,200 --> 00:07:49,280 Speaker 1: key to life of how to get over those uncomfortable situations. 148 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:52,280 Speaker 1: But for you to put yourself in the most uncomfortable 149 00:07:52,320 --> 00:07:54,120 Speaker 1: situation is that I want to go and do something 150 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:55,160 Speaker 1: that would never think about. 151 00:07:55,680 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 2: Leave it all behind. 152 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,480 Speaker 1: I'm gonna walk across America, continue to take us on 153 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 1: your journey keep walking those walk with those. 154 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:04,160 Speaker 3: Well, part of the jay was the opposite. You know, 155 00:08:04,320 --> 00:08:06,679 Speaker 3: I was at this point you said, I'm a badass, 156 00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:08,760 Speaker 3: will be. I've fought in the cages. So I was 157 00:08:09,200 --> 00:08:11,760 Speaker 3: now thirty. I'm twenty nine that year. By the time, 158 00:08:12,040 --> 00:08:15,120 Speaker 3: you know, it's like, I'm thirty years old, and I 159 00:08:15,120 --> 00:08:18,040 Speaker 3: I said, I'm not a bad us so be. You know, like, 160 00:08:18,080 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 3: I've accomplished a lot in my artistry, but there's something 161 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,480 Speaker 3: about the way, there's something about the way I interface 162 00:08:24,560 --> 00:08:26,080 Speaker 3: it with the world that I know I'm not a 163 00:08:26,120 --> 00:08:28,720 Speaker 3: man yet, and I know I'm not gonna become that 164 00:08:28,840 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 3: by having even more success. 165 00:08:31,040 --> 00:08:33,000 Speaker 2: Our wallets are not antidepressants. 166 00:08:33,120 --> 00:08:35,440 Speaker 1: It's a hard lesson, a learned when you when you 167 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,360 Speaker 1: realize it, right, Mike, Like, oh, if I was rich 168 00:08:38,400 --> 00:08:41,200 Speaker 1: and famous, all my problems and my mental health issues 169 00:08:41,200 --> 00:08:44,480 Speaker 1: would go. Wait, no, your mental health issues drove you 170 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:46,280 Speaker 1: to be that successful. But they don't. 171 00:08:46,280 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 3: They're still there, that's right. And so I intuitively realized 172 00:08:51,559 --> 00:08:53,840 Speaker 3: the point you just made that adversity is a gift 173 00:08:54,360 --> 00:08:56,800 Speaker 3: and for me to grow, it wasn't gonna be to 174 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:59,840 Speaker 3: have another hit record. It was gonna be go do 175 00:09:00,080 --> 00:09:03,000 Speaker 3: something really hard and hard in a way that it 176 00:09:03,000 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 3: scares you. And when you like, it's hard to describe 177 00:09:06,240 --> 00:09:10,440 Speaker 3: to human beings who never gone to this edge when 178 00:09:10,440 --> 00:09:14,160 Speaker 3: you're on the edge of I'm doing something that matters 179 00:09:14,200 --> 00:09:17,280 Speaker 3: to me so much, but I don't know if I 180 00:09:17,320 --> 00:09:21,560 Speaker 3: can pull it off. You're on that edge, it's hard 181 00:09:21,559 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 3: to describe. And even Jay like, I'm not even really 182 00:09:24,080 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 3: on it right now. Right, It's like there's something about 183 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:32,880 Speaker 3: those moments in life that just change everything. Colors, colors 184 00:09:32,880 --> 00:09:35,960 Speaker 3: are brighter, right, It's like there's a tension in your body, 185 00:09:35,960 --> 00:09:39,800 Speaker 3: but it's a good tension. There's like a stress in 186 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 3: your body, but it's a good stress because I'm I'm 187 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,520 Speaker 3: having to summon for everything out of my being to 188 00:09:46,600 --> 00:09:49,200 Speaker 3: even have a chance to do this one thing that 189 00:09:49,240 --> 00:09:52,280 Speaker 3: I've decided matters. Right, And so I got on this 190 00:09:52,400 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 3: journey and I start putting one foot in front of 191 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:57,640 Speaker 3: the other, and like any journey, it starts off, and 192 00:09:58,200 --> 00:10:00,640 Speaker 3: you know, I'm doing interviews with CB yes, and it's 193 00:10:00,679 --> 00:10:04,200 Speaker 3: getting attention, and I'm walking like ten miles a day. 194 00:10:04,600 --> 00:10:06,920 Speaker 3: You know, in America's three thousand miles a wide, So 195 00:10:06,960 --> 00:10:09,160 Speaker 3: at that pace, you know, I'd like finish somewhere, like 196 00:10:09,480 --> 00:10:13,000 Speaker 3: you know, twenty eighty five or something, and I'm like, yeah, 197 00:10:13,040 --> 00:10:15,800 Speaker 3: I remember saying to myself, like walking across America's easy, 198 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:19,160 Speaker 3: and I would eat those words, you know, because a 199 00:10:19,200 --> 00:10:23,920 Speaker 3: month later, two months later, this unbelievable pain that had 200 00:10:23,960 --> 00:10:28,680 Speaker 3: surpassed anything that can be achieved in an equinox gym 201 00:10:29,080 --> 00:10:32,600 Speaker 3: took over my body, like like I wake up and 202 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:34,559 Speaker 3: I could barely stand up. 203 00:10:35,320 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 2: Well, where were you sleeping during this? 204 00:10:37,160 --> 00:10:40,320 Speaker 3: Yeah? I walked supported. So I had a friend and 205 00:10:40,360 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 3: we had an RV and that would go ahead of 206 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,839 Speaker 3: me each day, and I walked twenty four miles a 207 00:10:44,920 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 3: day at the beginning, Like I said, I walked ten, 208 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 3: but I built up so my average twenty four. I'd 209 00:10:50,000 --> 00:10:52,800 Speaker 3: walk six days a week, and each night I'd sleep 210 00:10:52,840 --> 00:10:57,240 Speaker 3: in this RV. And that's basically how we did it 211 00:10:57,480 --> 00:11:02,080 Speaker 3: the entire journey, except for the mountains or the Mahave Desert, 212 00:11:02,360 --> 00:11:05,559 Speaker 3: those places the argument couldn't go because we were walking 213 00:11:05,559 --> 00:11:09,600 Speaker 3: a remote route, and those places we'd sleep in the tent. 214 00:11:10,280 --> 00:11:15,680 Speaker 3: And after a few months it became unbearable. I mean, 215 00:11:15,720 --> 00:11:19,800 Speaker 3: the pain was just unlike anything I ever experienced, to 216 00:11:19,880 --> 00:11:25,560 Speaker 3: the point where I remember being in Kansas and I 217 00:11:25,600 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 3: was on this remote dirt road and my body just 218 00:11:29,400 --> 00:11:33,000 Speaker 3: I guess it was overheating to some unsafe degree. And 219 00:11:33,040 --> 00:11:35,559 Speaker 3: I remember having thoughts that seemed like they were coming 220 00:11:35,559 --> 00:11:36,719 Speaker 3: from out. I don't know if you ever got to 221 00:11:36,760 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 3: this point in your training or you think you have 222 00:11:38,679 --> 00:11:40,680 Speaker 3: a thought, but it feels like it came from out, 223 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 3: so almost like you heard it from outside. I would 224 00:11:43,280 --> 00:11:45,480 Speaker 3: say like, hey, look at that squirrel, and I go 225 00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:48,480 Speaker 3: who said that? I was like, uh oh, like I'm 226 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:52,920 Speaker 3: not doing so good out here, and then I realized, 227 00:11:52,920 --> 00:11:55,480 Speaker 3: like I'm not moving. Every time I have a kind 228 00:11:55,520 --> 00:11:57,800 Speaker 3: of a thought tangent like that, or as my feet stopped, 229 00:11:58,240 --> 00:12:00,920 Speaker 3: and I remember turning around looking at looking behind me, 230 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 3: and usually there were these footprints behind me, a couple 231 00:12:04,720 --> 00:12:07,920 Speaker 3: of feet between each footprint from where I had taken steps. 232 00:12:08,360 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 3: But on that day I looked back and there was 233 00:12:09,920 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 3: a ski track like my feet were dragging, and it 234 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:15,400 Speaker 3: was like to the point where almost like I pick 235 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 3: up each foot with my with my hands and then 236 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,400 Speaker 3: that's the physical part, but then the mind latches onto 237 00:12:23,400 --> 00:12:26,440 Speaker 3: that and goes, dude, you're not even halfway. How are 238 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:28,440 Speaker 3: you gonna do the Rocky mountains. If you're already this 239 00:12:28,559 --> 00:12:30,560 Speaker 3: messed up, how you can do how he does. If 240 00:12:30,559 --> 00:12:34,120 Speaker 3: you're already this messed up. If you're this messed up here, 241 00:12:35,280 --> 00:12:38,840 Speaker 3: now multiply this pain by two or three. That's how 242 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:40,440 Speaker 3: it's going to be a two three. So my mind 243 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 3: would start to do this to me. Wow, and it 244 00:12:44,640 --> 00:12:48,200 Speaker 3: was just nothing but fear, because I thought, well, I 245 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 3: don't want to quit, but my body's gonna make me quit. 246 00:12:51,480 --> 00:12:53,840 Speaker 3: My mind was saying that for my body. Right My 247 00:12:53,880 --> 00:12:56,720 Speaker 3: body hadn't quit, but my mind was saying, hey, hey, 248 00:12:56,840 --> 00:13:01,760 Speaker 3: like all these wild stories. And so I learned patience. 249 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 3: I'm saying, these are the thoughts you're having right now 250 00:13:05,080 --> 00:13:08,120 Speaker 3: on this day. But tomorrow maybe you need to drink 251 00:13:08,160 --> 00:13:10,800 Speaker 3: some water, maybe you eat some food, then you need 252 00:13:10,840 --> 00:13:13,720 Speaker 3: to sleep, see how you feel tomorrow. And so these 253 00:13:14,080 --> 00:13:18,920 Speaker 3: these moments, right these the mind can create these stories saying, hey, 254 00:13:18,920 --> 00:13:21,120 Speaker 3: you're gonna feel like this in two months. You're gonna 255 00:13:21,160 --> 00:13:22,839 Speaker 3: it doesn't know how you're gonna feel. This is even 256 00:13:22,880 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 3: how you're gonna feel in twenty minutes. Dude, I had 257 00:13:25,400 --> 00:13:27,839 Speaker 3: a moment fifteen minutes ago before you start speaking, where 258 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 3: I was upset about some I'm not upset now, you know. 259 00:13:32,160 --> 00:13:36,040 Speaker 3: And so I learned this patience that we're always in 260 00:13:36,080 --> 00:13:40,320 Speaker 3: a state, right, and life is really your states, right 261 00:13:40,600 --> 00:13:44,440 Speaker 3: if you're may and everyone has a home based state, right. 262 00:13:44,640 --> 00:13:47,280 Speaker 3: My home base before I did this journey was depression 263 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,960 Speaker 3: and sadness and cynicism. And that's not to say I 264 00:13:52,000 --> 00:13:55,080 Speaker 3: don't ever experience those emotions now, but they are no 265 00:13:55,160 --> 00:13:59,760 Speaker 3: longer my home base. My home base now is joy, gratitude, faith. 266 00:14:00,440 --> 00:14:03,679 Speaker 3: Now I go visit negative lands sometimes I'm not gonna lie, 267 00:14:03,679 --> 00:14:04,840 Speaker 3: but I don't live there anymore. 268 00:14:05,120 --> 00:14:07,840 Speaker 2: I love that, And so man, I love that. 269 00:14:07,920 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 1: I love that so much, right there, dude, I love 270 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:12,960 Speaker 1: it so much, and it's such a great that smacked 271 00:14:12,960 --> 00:14:13,680 Speaker 1: me across the face. 272 00:14:13,760 --> 00:14:15,600 Speaker 2: I love that. I appreciate that. I'm grateful for that. 273 00:14:16,200 --> 00:14:18,840 Speaker 3: Yeah, you got it, and so I think you lived 274 00:14:18,880 --> 00:14:21,240 Speaker 3: that right, and so at least that's how you show 275 00:14:21,320 --> 00:14:21,600 Speaker 3: up to me. 276 00:14:21,680 --> 00:14:24,840 Speaker 1: But I used to talk. I talk in my life 277 00:14:24,880 --> 00:14:27,200 Speaker 1: as gray and blue. I live in the gray, and 278 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:29,840 Speaker 1: the gray is the shit. It's the depression of the anxiety, 279 00:14:29,880 --> 00:14:34,640 Speaker 1: the bipolar, the HD, the negativity, the. 280 00:14:33,760 --> 00:14:36,000 Speaker 2: Bad self talk. That was my home base. 281 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:38,960 Speaker 1: That was my you know, that's what I know my baseline, 282 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,320 Speaker 1: and the blue for me was like hey this, you know, 283 00:14:41,360 --> 00:14:43,840 Speaker 1: the chirping birds and the and the sun and all that. 284 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 2: I just never it's just not my world. 285 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,280 Speaker 1: And because I've started to have conversations with guys like 286 00:14:50,320 --> 00:14:53,440 Speaker 1: you and open up like this, I seen some streets 287 00:14:53,440 --> 00:14:54,720 Speaker 1: of blue now and. 288 00:14:54,600 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: Now it's kind of even further. 289 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:58,600 Speaker 1: I've cracked it, and same thing I'm I would say, 290 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:01,160 Speaker 1: I'm probably tooth herds in the blue, one third in 291 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: the gray. 292 00:15:01,920 --> 00:15:05,080 Speaker 2: But it doesn't it visits me now. It's not, it's 293 00:15:05,120 --> 00:15:06,120 Speaker 2: not it's not my captor. 294 00:15:06,520 --> 00:15:08,920 Speaker 3: You know what he called persons two thirds in the blue, 295 00:15:09,040 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 3: one in the gray, fucking winning and the enlightened motherfucking 296 00:15:13,000 --> 00:15:13,840 Speaker 3: person winning. 297 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:16,640 Speaker 2: You are right from a guy who was ninety nine 298 00:15:16,720 --> 00:15:17,840 Speaker 2: in the fucking gray. 299 00:15:17,920 --> 00:15:20,400 Speaker 1: Yes, but like you said, it's a lot of fucking work. 300 00:15:20,840 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 1: It didn't happen. This is five years after for me, right, 301 00:15:23,560 --> 00:15:25,520 Speaker 1: it's a lifetime of therapy. But five years since I've 302 00:15:25,600 --> 00:15:28,320 Speaker 1: really opened up, and the opening up part has allowed 303 00:15:28,360 --> 00:15:30,600 Speaker 1: me to have conversations like this. And like you and I, 304 00:15:30,600 --> 00:15:33,119 Speaker 1: if we met years ago, we wouldn't have these conversations. 305 00:15:33,120 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: I would tell you what I did in the NFL. 306 00:15:34,680 --> 00:15:36,600 Speaker 1: You probably tell them what you did as a performer, 307 00:15:36,640 --> 00:15:39,360 Speaker 1: and you know we do that shit. This is you know, 308 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 1: this turns you go from friends to brothers, which is cool. 309 00:15:42,680 --> 00:15:45,440 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the blue, that's the blue. 310 00:15:45,880 --> 00:15:47,320 Speaker 2: That's the continue man, keep going. 311 00:15:47,720 --> 00:15:49,720 Speaker 3: This was this, This was like really it. You know, 312 00:15:49,760 --> 00:15:52,200 Speaker 3: I could spend two hours on this walk. But this 313 00:15:52,280 --> 00:15:57,400 Speaker 3: is like life teaching. Yep, this moment going. Life is 314 00:15:57,440 --> 00:16:01,160 Speaker 3: your states, right, So, like you said, if you have 315 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:05,440 Speaker 3: a dominant state of depressed or cynical, I don't care 316 00:16:05,440 --> 00:16:07,600 Speaker 3: if you make a billion dollars or you win ten 317 00:16:07,680 --> 00:16:10,760 Speaker 3: NFL championships or thirteen Grammys or all three of them. 318 00:16:11,720 --> 00:16:14,800 Speaker 3: Your life is depressed and cynical, and I don't want 319 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:18,800 Speaker 3: to trade places with you. Right. So the game that 320 00:16:18,840 --> 00:16:20,920 Speaker 3: you and I both realized, Hey, we were playing the 321 00:16:20,920 --> 00:16:25,600 Speaker 3: wrong game. We won the external game, but we were 322 00:16:25,760 --> 00:16:28,240 Speaker 3: promised that the internal state would follow if we won that, 323 00:16:28,360 --> 00:16:30,480 Speaker 3: and it didn't do, so then we start playing the 324 00:16:30,560 --> 00:16:32,800 Speaker 3: internal game. Now, hey, is to play both? Can you 325 00:16:32,800 --> 00:16:37,120 Speaker 3: play both? Right? But the internal game is your states, 326 00:16:37,480 --> 00:16:40,360 Speaker 3: your moods. The mood is a mode of beings, and 327 00:16:40,440 --> 00:16:44,080 Speaker 3: you can change your moods. You can change your states 328 00:16:44,480 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 3: not to be perfect, right. Can't live in happy, go 329 00:16:48,080 --> 00:16:51,400 Speaker 3: lucky all the time, nor should you wouldn't be healthy, right, 330 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:54,200 Speaker 3: But you can change your home base, you can change 331 00:16:54,240 --> 00:16:58,080 Speaker 3: your default. So I learned that in this moment that hey, 332 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 3: I feel jacked up right now, but I'm gonna just wait. 333 00:17:01,880 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 3: I'm not gonna quit in this moment. I want to 334 00:17:04,160 --> 00:17:07,560 Speaker 3: quit right now. I'm gonna do nothing. I'm gonna finish 335 00:17:07,640 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 3: this day. I somehow did the rest of my twenty 336 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:13,840 Speaker 3: four miles, and I did somebody I didn't do the 337 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:15,640 Speaker 3: whole rest of the journey. I said, I'll take two 338 00:17:15,720 --> 00:17:18,840 Speaker 3: days off. I'm gonna take two days off. I'm gonna eat, 339 00:17:18,920 --> 00:17:20,720 Speaker 3: I'm gonna drink. I can see if I can find 340 00:17:20,760 --> 00:17:23,639 Speaker 3: somebody in Kansas to rub my feet, you know, and 341 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 3: like get a massage, and then I'll reassess. But right now, 342 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:31,880 Speaker 3: clearly I need some water. Clearly I need you know, 343 00:17:32,240 --> 00:17:35,800 Speaker 3: So let me do that first. Just be patient. And 344 00:17:35,880 --> 00:17:38,440 Speaker 3: so this is a life lesson. Right, you feel angry, 345 00:17:38,760 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 3: you know in a relationship doesn't mean you should leave. 346 00:17:40,800 --> 00:17:44,400 Speaker 3: The relationship means you need to change your state, right, 347 00:17:44,720 --> 00:17:48,000 Speaker 3: And so we could take action, and most of us 348 00:17:48,680 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 3: I suspect you and the people listening. I make stuff happen. Right. 349 00:17:53,240 --> 00:17:56,080 Speaker 3: We don't need SOMEONNNA get us motivated, but we need 350 00:17:56,119 --> 00:18:00,639 Speaker 3: to be motivated from a place of abundance, from the 351 00:18:00,720 --> 00:18:03,040 Speaker 3: right frequency. Are we taking the calls to like do 352 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:05,080 Speaker 3: the sales but we're actually like kind of pissed off 353 00:18:05,080 --> 00:18:07,120 Speaker 3: while we're doing this, or it's not even a fact. Right. 354 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:10,080 Speaker 3: We need to be from the frequency of love and 355 00:18:10,119 --> 00:18:13,240 Speaker 3: then take the action. So my frequency was all jacked up. 356 00:18:13,520 --> 00:18:17,040 Speaker 3: I learned change the frequency first, then you can make 357 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,840 Speaker 3: the decision. They don't ever make a decision from fear, 358 00:18:20,680 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 3: And so I did just that. I took the days 359 00:18:22,840 --> 00:18:25,359 Speaker 3: and I said, all right, you know I was a 360 00:18:25,400 --> 00:18:30,520 Speaker 3: messed up day. But isn't that why I started? Didn't 361 00:18:30,520 --> 00:18:33,199 Speaker 3: I start this because I want to experience pain like 362 00:18:33,240 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 3: I've never felt before, feel that pain, and then decide 363 00:18:36,320 --> 00:18:39,480 Speaker 3: to keep going. It isn't this the whole freaking point. 364 00:18:40,480 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 3: Didn't I say I was going to walk across America 365 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,159 Speaker 3: no matter what. Wasn't that my commitment? And now I 366 00:18:46,200 --> 00:18:50,199 Speaker 3: have one crazy day I'm thinking about quick No, I 367 00:18:50,240 --> 00:18:52,560 Speaker 3: am going to go back on that road. I'm going 368 00:18:52,640 --> 00:18:54,920 Speaker 3: to keep going and That's what I did. I went 369 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 3: back to the spot, I took a step. I took 370 00:18:57,040 --> 00:18:59,919 Speaker 3: a step, and the adversity wasn't over that. I almost 371 00:19:00,040 --> 00:19:02,080 Speaker 3: lost my life. A month later, you know, I got 372 00:19:02,320 --> 00:19:04,840 Speaker 3: bit by a poisonous rattlesnake, and that put me in 373 00:19:04,920 --> 00:19:08,400 Speaker 3: the hospital, and I went through the same exercise going, hey, 374 00:19:08,920 --> 00:19:11,160 Speaker 3: I have every reason to quit right now. In fact, 375 00:19:11,200 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 3: I have such a good reason to quit right I 376 00:19:12,960 --> 00:19:14,359 Speaker 3: got bit by a poisonous snake. 377 00:19:15,760 --> 00:19:17,080 Speaker 1: I was gonna ask you this when I saw you 378 00:19:17,119 --> 00:19:19,400 Speaker 1: in Vegas and you're out in the middle of how 379 00:19:19,440 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 1: do you It's not like this rattlesnake could creep up 380 00:19:22,119 --> 00:19:22,320 Speaker 1: on you. 381 00:19:22,359 --> 00:19:23,040 Speaker 2: How did you get bit? 382 00:19:23,640 --> 00:19:25,120 Speaker 3: I think I creeped up on it. 383 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:25,480 Speaker 1: Jay. 384 00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:27,800 Speaker 3: You know, they say there's only two ways to get 385 00:19:27,800 --> 00:19:31,919 Speaker 3: bit by a rattlesnake. On one to surprise it, and 386 00:19:31,960 --> 00:19:34,720 Speaker 3: the other the other is to be messing with it, 387 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:38,520 Speaker 3: to be like antagonizing it. So I wasn't antagonizing it, 388 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:41,520 Speaker 3: but I just felt the bite on my left ankle. 389 00:19:41,960 --> 00:19:43,560 Speaker 2: Which So, were you on a remote road? 390 00:19:44,160 --> 00:19:47,960 Speaker 3: Yeah, I was in the remote road Colorado ten, which 391 00:19:48,000 --> 00:19:51,520 Speaker 3: is a state highway, so the too highway probably miles 392 00:19:51,800 --> 00:19:54,280 Speaker 3: you know, speed limits probably fifty to seventy miles per hour. 393 00:19:54,640 --> 00:19:57,320 Speaker 3: There's no shoulder on that road. It's dangerous, freaking roll 394 00:19:57,400 --> 00:20:01,080 Speaker 3: and really high grass and a bunch of rattlesnakes like 395 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:04,720 Speaker 3: I've been. A guy actually warned me that day be 396 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:07,639 Speaker 3: careful of rattlesnakes out here. He saw me walk on 397 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:10,159 Speaker 3: side the rope. Oh yeah, pull his f one fifty 398 00:20:10,200 --> 00:20:11,760 Speaker 3: over and goes, you know where you are? I go, yeah, 399 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:13,359 Speaker 3: I do, because you're not far you are from. The 400 00:20:13,359 --> 00:20:14,960 Speaker 3: Next time, I said, yeah, I do, but I gotta 401 00:20:15,080 --> 00:20:18,240 Speaker 3: support vehicle up ahead and goes, okay, you need water. No, 402 00:20:18,480 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 3: I got water, thank you. He goes all right, He 403 00:20:21,160 --> 00:20:26,160 Speaker 3: starts driving away, hits the brakes, pulls back. One more thing. Yeah, 404 00:20:26,480 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 3: be careful with snakes. Copy that no flash colored. Three 405 00:20:31,240 --> 00:20:33,480 Speaker 3: four hours later, there's a snake with his fangs in 406 00:20:33,560 --> 00:20:38,119 Speaker 3: my left leg and uh and it rattled afterwards. Dude, 407 00:20:38,200 --> 00:20:41,200 Speaker 3: So I guess I surprised it. I maybe even step 408 00:20:41,320 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 3: on it. You know, I didn't. I never saw it 409 00:20:43,920 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 3: with my eyes, felt it, and I hurt after it 410 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,480 Speaker 3: bit me. It rattled, and so I felt it and 411 00:20:48,480 --> 00:20:51,320 Speaker 3: I heard it, and it changed my life forever because 412 00:20:51,359 --> 00:20:56,240 Speaker 3: it crystallized this, this concept that you brought to the 413 00:20:56,280 --> 00:20:59,680 Speaker 3: conversation and that I'm just expounding upon, which is your 414 00:20:59,760 --> 00:21:02,800 Speaker 3: verse as a gift that gave me adversity that I 415 00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 3: didn't really want. You know, my legs swelled to the 416 00:21:05,800 --> 00:21:08,520 Speaker 3: size of an elfant trunk. I spent three nights in 417 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:13,399 Speaker 3: the ICU, five in the hospital, and I made the 418 00:21:13,440 --> 00:21:16,960 Speaker 3: same decision as I did in Kansas, which was, yeah, 419 00:21:17,000 --> 00:21:19,000 Speaker 3: I know I got a reason to quit. I know 420 00:21:19,040 --> 00:21:22,480 Speaker 3: that everyone around me, you know, like it's weird to 421 00:21:22,480 --> 00:21:25,000 Speaker 3: say this because like, these are my best friends, but 422 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 3: none of them understood what I was doing, none of them. 423 00:21:27,960 --> 00:21:32,000 Speaker 3: None of them knew the warrior that had been unearthed 424 00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:36,159 Speaker 3: inside me. And they all expected my family too. They 425 00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 3: loved me, the most important people in my life, but 426 00:21:38,480 --> 00:21:39,560 Speaker 3: they expected me to quit. 427 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:42,439 Speaker 2: They expect to be a cute stumping you'll be right. 428 00:21:42,359 --> 00:21:46,560 Speaker 3: Back, yeah, which is usually a reflection of other human beings. 429 00:21:46,600 --> 00:21:48,760 Speaker 3: Made me have what they would do in that situation. 430 00:21:49,320 --> 00:21:51,879 Speaker 2: But I was en who you used to be. But 431 00:21:51,920 --> 00:21:54,040 Speaker 2: it's a great lesson that you don't always have to 432 00:21:54,080 --> 00:21:55,119 Speaker 2: be right. 433 00:21:55,640 --> 00:21:58,760 Speaker 1: It takes a fraction a second to decide to change 434 00:21:59,359 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: who you're going to that's it and you got it. 435 00:22:02,520 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 3: I take another thing, Jay, is most people I would 436 00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:08,920 Speaker 3: talk to from the music industry that weren't really my friend. 437 00:22:08,960 --> 00:22:10,840 Speaker 3: Guy said, you know, give you a text every four 438 00:22:10,840 --> 00:22:11,920 Speaker 3: to six months. 439 00:22:12,400 --> 00:22:12,800 Speaker 2: I get. 440 00:22:12,920 --> 00:22:15,080 Speaker 3: I get my every four to six months, twice a 441 00:22:15,160 --> 00:22:17,280 Speaker 3: year text from these guys. They go, what's up, man? 442 00:22:17,359 --> 00:22:18,960 Speaker 3: Like you want to come to the studio next week? 443 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,920 Speaker 3: I go, no, dude, like I'm I'm in Illinois or 444 00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:25,560 Speaker 3: I'm in I'm in Kansas. They go, what are you 445 00:22:25,640 --> 00:22:27,680 Speaker 3: doing out there? I said, I told you the last 446 00:22:27,680 --> 00:22:29,800 Speaker 3: time we speak, I was going to walk across America. 447 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 3: And they'd write back to me and go, yeah, I 448 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:35,200 Speaker 3: remember that. I didn't think you were actually gonna do it, right, 449 00:22:35,240 --> 00:22:36,879 Speaker 3: So I tell you something right there about who I 450 00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:37,320 Speaker 3: used to. 451 00:22:37,240 --> 00:22:40,560 Speaker 1: Be beautiful too for you were like, hey, I am transforming. 452 00:22:40,920 --> 00:22:43,800 Speaker 2: I'm seeing other people through their eyes like whoa. I 453 00:22:43,800 --> 00:22:45,640 Speaker 2: didn't think he was going to do it, And I'm 454 00:22:45,680 --> 00:22:47,560 Speaker 2: becoming the person I want to be. That's beautiful. 455 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:50,520 Speaker 3: And so it was just another opportunity with the snake 456 00:22:50,560 --> 00:22:53,480 Speaker 3: bite to do that exact thing. Everyone expects me to quit, 457 00:22:54,000 --> 00:22:56,680 Speaker 3: and I got a really good reason to quit. In fact, 458 00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,320 Speaker 3: such a good reason to quit. Quit. Most people won't 459 00:22:59,320 --> 00:22:59,919 Speaker 3: even think I'm. 460 00:23:00,880 --> 00:23:04,840 Speaker 2: Now will quit if given an outside reason. Right, well, 461 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:05,840 Speaker 2: this happened to me. 462 00:23:05,840 --> 00:23:08,200 Speaker 3: So I can't overcome it, that's right more. 463 00:23:08,280 --> 00:23:08,960 Speaker 2: That's even more. 464 00:23:08,880 --> 00:23:12,520 Speaker 1: Mental toughness to say it was something I didn't expect. 465 00:23:12,680 --> 00:23:15,120 Speaker 1: And even something like that, which is one in a million, 466 00:23:15,560 --> 00:23:16,760 Speaker 1: how are you supposed to overcome it? 467 00:23:16,760 --> 00:23:17,600 Speaker 2: It's your choice. 468 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:19,919 Speaker 3: I like to look at it as like flip it 469 00:23:19,960 --> 00:23:25,000 Speaker 3: even further on its head, like how cool would it be? 470 00:23:26,240 --> 00:23:29,920 Speaker 3: I did overcome it, like this really isn't And that 471 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:33,520 Speaker 3: became the gift because like I now get the opportunity, 472 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,320 Speaker 3: thank God for the snake bike, I now get the 473 00:23:36,440 --> 00:23:40,080 Speaker 3: opportunity to be the man that got bit by a snake, 474 00:23:40,760 --> 00:23:45,080 Speaker 3: almost lost his foot and then walked one thousand more miles. 475 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:47,120 Speaker 3: Why because I said I was. 476 00:23:47,119 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 2: Going to love that sort. 477 00:23:48,640 --> 00:23:53,480 Speaker 3: I love that story, and that was a gift because 478 00:23:53,520 --> 00:23:57,480 Speaker 3: it reverberates in my life to this day. Because I 479 00:23:57,960 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 3: have challenges in my life. They come up emotional challenges, 480 00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:05,879 Speaker 3: challenges and relationships, challenges, in business, challenges in my body 481 00:24:07,000 --> 00:24:10,359 Speaker 3: I have. My life is a string of challenges. But 482 00:24:11,080 --> 00:24:17,119 Speaker 3: I now know not from affirmation or from prayer, but 483 00:24:17,240 --> 00:24:24,080 Speaker 3: from history that I overcome every challenge that's not aspirational. 484 00:24:24,240 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 3: That's my identity now because of this snake bite, and 485 00:24:28,280 --> 00:24:30,880 Speaker 3: there have been more challenges and that's just what happens. 486 00:24:31,359 --> 00:24:34,679 Speaker 3: And so my life is not without suffering now. But 487 00:24:34,760 --> 00:24:41,240 Speaker 3: I know if I do a comparison from when I 488 00:24:41,280 --> 00:24:44,240 Speaker 3: was twenty nine thirty looking in that mirror to now, 489 00:24:44,640 --> 00:24:46,880 Speaker 3: if I have a challenge, or I have a tough day, 490 00:24:47,080 --> 00:24:49,600 Speaker 3: or I feel if I'm in the gray, as you say, 491 00:24:50,200 --> 00:24:54,200 Speaker 3: I now know I am not depressed. I may feel 492 00:24:54,240 --> 00:24:58,159 Speaker 3: depressed in this moment, I am not depressed. Who I 493 00:24:58,200 --> 00:25:00,320 Speaker 3: am the truth of who I am a warrior. I 494 00:25:00,400 --> 00:25:03,399 Speaker 3: never give up. I overcome every challenge. I am joy, 495 00:25:03,560 --> 00:25:06,400 Speaker 3: I am faith, I am love. I'm a man of gratitude. 496 00:25:06,400 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 3: I'm a man of generosity. That is my truth. And 497 00:25:09,680 --> 00:25:12,040 Speaker 3: there's this moment right now maybe I'm doubting or I'm 498 00:25:12,040 --> 00:25:16,119 Speaker 3: doubting this thing and I feel overwhelmed. That's okay, because 499 00:25:16,200 --> 00:25:20,520 Speaker 3: I now know patience, and I know tomorrow I'm not 500 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,399 Speaker 3: gonna be in this emotional state. I'm gonna be in 501 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,120 Speaker 3: a different one because that's what I do every time 502 00:25:25,160 --> 00:25:29,560 Speaker 3: I'm challenged and so we have the opportunity. It starts 503 00:25:29,600 --> 00:25:33,520 Speaker 3: it starts off aspirational, right, that's what prayer is. You know, 504 00:25:33,520 --> 00:25:35,800 Speaker 3: I went to church a couple of months ago, and 505 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,000 Speaker 3: we sing these worship songs. You know, God, I give 506 00:25:39,040 --> 00:25:40,919 Speaker 3: everything to you, I lay it down on your feet. Right, 507 00:25:40,960 --> 00:25:44,040 Speaker 3: what are they saying? Worship songs like? You know, it's 508 00:25:44,080 --> 00:25:47,640 Speaker 3: all aspirational, and the pastor came up after he goes. 509 00:25:47,720 --> 00:25:49,520 Speaker 3: You know, we sing these songs because we know at 510 00:25:49,520 --> 00:25:53,760 Speaker 3: some level we aren't that. We aren't that yet that's 511 00:25:53,760 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 3: what we want to be. So it starts off saying 512 00:25:56,800 --> 00:25:58,840 Speaker 3: it to yourself, brainwashing it to you, the writing in 513 00:25:58,880 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 3: the journal, I'm gonna walk across America no matter what. 514 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,920 Speaker 3: And then we get these opportunities that God gives us, 515 00:26:06,200 --> 00:26:09,040 Speaker 3: like you said, adversities a gift or life gives us. 516 00:26:09,400 --> 00:26:12,679 Speaker 3: And then we have the opportunity to change them from 517 00:26:12,760 --> 00:26:18,160 Speaker 3: aspirational to real. That's my life. It's taking these wild 518 00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:22,000 Speaker 3: things or these things that maybe something the wildest challenges 519 00:26:22,000 --> 00:26:25,040 Speaker 3: in my life right now don't seem wild to other people. 520 00:26:25,080 --> 00:26:28,640 Speaker 3: There's some normal thing that I skipped over, right, like 521 00:26:28,640 --> 00:26:32,200 Speaker 3: like being a good partner to my girl, right, like 522 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:34,359 Speaker 3: being a good Son. Right, this is some of the 523 00:26:34,359 --> 00:26:36,639 Speaker 3: things I skipped over my twenties. You because I was 524 00:26:36,680 --> 00:26:39,960 Speaker 3: so concerned with being great. Sometimes I forgot to be good. 525 00:26:40,960 --> 00:26:45,800 Speaker 3: So uh, some of my some of my like walks 526 00:26:45,840 --> 00:26:48,520 Speaker 3: across America now are things that seem simple to other people, 527 00:26:48,600 --> 00:26:51,240 Speaker 3: but they're big things for me. I take I take 528 00:26:51,280 --> 00:26:53,520 Speaker 3: no over in my journal. Go do two years ago? 529 00:26:54,040 --> 00:26:55,880 Speaker 3: You want to offer to help your mom with that? 530 00:26:56,480 --> 00:26:58,320 Speaker 3: Two years ago? You want to You want to have 531 00:26:58,480 --> 00:27:00,320 Speaker 3: been thinking about the other human being right there in 532 00:27:00,359 --> 00:27:07,760 Speaker 3: that moment. And I celebrate myself because the culture rewards 533 00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,520 Speaker 3: you for the wrong things. And you and I both 534 00:27:10,560 --> 00:27:13,359 Speaker 3: have seen people get rewarded, maybe they get a lot 535 00:27:13,400 --> 00:27:18,199 Speaker 3: of material success who aren't good people, and sometimes they 536 00:27:18,200 --> 00:27:21,600 Speaker 3: get there the wrong So the culture, sometimes the world 537 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:26,000 Speaker 3: we live in sometimes rewards human beings for doing the 538 00:27:26,040 --> 00:27:26,640 Speaker 3: wrong thing. 539 00:27:28,119 --> 00:27:30,000 Speaker 1: And people ask me about that, and I go, I 540 00:27:30,000 --> 00:27:31,560 Speaker 1: don't know why good things happen to bad people and 541 00:27:31,600 --> 00:27:32,680 Speaker 1: bad things happen to good people. 542 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:34,360 Speaker 2: But I don't try and figure life out. 543 00:27:34,680 --> 00:27:37,679 Speaker 3: The point I want to make on this because on 544 00:27:37,680 --> 00:27:40,000 Speaker 3: one level, you're right, it's not our job, that's God's 545 00:27:40,040 --> 00:27:43,679 Speaker 3: job on it. But for ourselves, right, we have to 546 00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:46,400 Speaker 3: reward ourselves when we have this. Like the other day 547 00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:50,879 Speaker 3: I did a I had a call I have I 548 00:27:51,080 --> 00:27:52,440 Speaker 3: to do it. This is an example of my point. 549 00:27:52,440 --> 00:27:55,280 Speaker 3: I'm a tight end, don't worry. So the other day 550 00:27:55,960 --> 00:27:59,080 Speaker 3: I do this. I have this community called Inner Bloom 551 00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 3: and I do We do a call every week we 552 00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,680 Speaker 3: talk about stuff like this and I work with people 553 00:28:02,720 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 3: one on one and we pray and we do breath work. 554 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 3: That's what we do. Do it once a week. It's free. 555 00:28:08,200 --> 00:28:12,720 Speaker 3: It's on Zoom, so anyone listeners can join. And I 556 00:28:12,760 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 3: had this amazing call. I had this interaction with this 557 00:28:15,800 --> 00:28:18,120 Speaker 3: this person, and I could tell I made a difference 558 00:28:18,160 --> 00:28:21,560 Speaker 3: and I felt really like touched that I got used 559 00:28:21,560 --> 00:28:23,679 Speaker 3: to help somebody else and I hung with the car. 560 00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,360 Speaker 3: I felt incredible. Let's call it. I always feel incredible. 561 00:28:26,480 --> 00:28:29,040 Speaker 3: Like my favorite part of the week, I was staying 562 00:28:29,040 --> 00:28:32,119 Speaker 3: in my mom's and I was leaving the next day. 563 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 3: And my mom's seventy years old. She lives alone. She's 564 00:28:34,680 --> 00:28:37,800 Speaker 3: a widow. My father passed away seven years ago. And 565 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:40,040 Speaker 3: I just thought about her. I go, she's gonna be 566 00:28:40,080 --> 00:28:45,800 Speaker 3: alone when I leave her. And she's seventy. So I 567 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,400 Speaker 3: just said, I said that to a cost of Mom, 568 00:28:47,760 --> 00:28:50,840 Speaker 3: what do you need help with? Like, do you need 569 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 3: to pick anything up? Move anything? She goes, yeah, actually, 570 00:28:53,440 --> 00:28:55,560 Speaker 3: I want to turn the mattress. You know, I turn 571 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:57,760 Speaker 3: the mattress, right, So I help her with that, and 572 00:28:57,800 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 3: you know, like, and it was just a little It 573 00:29:00,280 --> 00:29:03,320 Speaker 3: sounds so stupid, but I knew three years ago I 574 00:29:03,320 --> 00:29:07,800 Speaker 3: wouldn't after that, And so I write that my journal. 575 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 3: And the point is I celebrate that myself. I give 576 00:29:13,120 --> 00:29:16,480 Speaker 3: myself credit. I don't wait for the world or life 577 00:29:16,520 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 3: because she might not say thank you. She did say 578 00:29:18,680 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 3: thank you, but in some other examples she might not 579 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:22,360 Speaker 3: say thank you. She might say fuck you. 580 00:29:22,280 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 2: You know, you never know. You don't need a new 581 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:26,840 Speaker 2: record deal to reward you this. 582 00:29:27,160 --> 00:29:30,000 Speaker 3: I need to reward me for the growing in the 583 00:29:30,080 --> 00:29:32,160 Speaker 3: area that I have chosen. I want to grow them. 584 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:34,880 Speaker 3: And so we can't depend on the culture to do 585 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:37,320 Speaker 3: that for other people, yes, it's in God's hands, but 586 00:29:37,360 --> 00:29:40,120 Speaker 3: for us, we have to take some sovereignty over our 587 00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,800 Speaker 3: own lives. Reward ourselves when we do these things that 588 00:29:42,840 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 3: matter to us well, and give ourselves a little pain, 589 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:48,880 Speaker 3: not a lot of pain. Don't beat yourself up, but 590 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:51,680 Speaker 3: enough pain when we don't do them that. Hey, we 591 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,280 Speaker 3: move over there then, so then we're living a life 592 00:29:55,280 --> 00:29:57,040 Speaker 3: on our terms. That's sovereignty. 593 00:29:58,000 --> 00:30:01,320 Speaker 1: You're Ral's thanks story kind of reminds me of the son. 594 00:30:01,360 --> 00:30:03,160 Speaker 1: I always tell people to be proud of your scars, 595 00:30:04,000 --> 00:30:06,480 Speaker 1: and you know, everybody kind of leaves with their highlights. 596 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:08,200 Speaker 1: I always leave with my scars. I would tell people 597 00:30:08,440 --> 00:30:10,320 Speaker 1: how fucked up I am? Oh man, you know I'm 598 00:30:10,600 --> 00:30:14,480 Speaker 1: You know, I've had twelve ruptures in my back and 599 00:30:14,680 --> 00:30:17,520 Speaker 1: six of my deck, and I have depression anxiety HD 600 00:30:17,640 --> 00:30:19,240 Speaker 1: have broken this nose seven times. 601 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:20,720 Speaker 2: And I don't ever lead. 602 00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:22,960 Speaker 1: With you know it was m Bowlers for five years, 603 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: or I'm gonna TV Hall of Fame. I don't ever 604 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:26,960 Speaker 1: fucking lead with that. I always lead with how fucked 605 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:28,440 Speaker 1: up I am. And if you go and look at 606 00:30:28,480 --> 00:30:32,000 Speaker 1: your story, same thing, you know which ones I want 607 00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:36,920 Speaker 1: people to realize this which is more rewarding intriguing. A 608 00:30:37,000 --> 00:30:39,280 Speaker 1: guy who's a big music story says he I'm gonna 609 00:30:39,320 --> 00:30:43,800 Speaker 1: go and walk across America. Or a guy gets spit 610 00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:45,520 Speaker 1: by round of snake in the middle of nowhere and 611 00:30:45,600 --> 00:30:48,000 Speaker 1: walks another one hundred thousand miles. 612 00:30:48,520 --> 00:30:49,040 Speaker 2: That's the story. 613 00:30:49,120 --> 00:30:50,600 Speaker 3: I want to see that's right. 614 00:30:50,720 --> 00:30:52,040 Speaker 2: I don't think I make it right. 615 00:30:52,320 --> 00:30:54,720 Speaker 1: That's the story, and just that little shift that's being 616 00:30:54,760 --> 00:30:58,200 Speaker 1: proud of your scars, and that's that's. 617 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:00,560 Speaker 2: The shift we need to make. Dude. I love that. 618 00:31:00,640 --> 00:31:01,880 Speaker 2: I love that you hit that. 619 00:31:01,880 --> 00:31:04,560 Speaker 3: That's my favorite people that do that. And that's probably 620 00:31:04,600 --> 00:31:06,960 Speaker 3: why I love you so much, you know. And it's like, 621 00:31:07,760 --> 00:31:09,480 Speaker 3: we talked about this a little. I can't remember we 622 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:14,000 Speaker 3: were recording already or not, but you talked about how 623 00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,280 Speaker 3: you change the name of the show from mental health 624 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:20,280 Speaker 3: mental wealth, the wealth because so much of this, you know, 625 00:31:19,880 --> 00:31:22,600 Speaker 3: I shy away from that word to mental health because 626 00:31:22,800 --> 00:31:24,760 Speaker 3: mental health is for a lot of people just means 627 00:31:24,760 --> 00:31:29,960 Speaker 3: complaining right right right, right right. And the rattlesnake story, 628 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 3: the scars story, for the depression anxiety story for Jay 629 00:31:34,640 --> 00:31:38,120 Speaker 3: is a beautiful story. If it's the first chapter, should 630 00:31:38,160 --> 00:31:41,640 Speaker 3: have overcome correct or if it's chapter three. But if 631 00:31:41,640 --> 00:31:43,600 Speaker 3: it's the last chapter of your book, it's not so 632 00:31:43,760 --> 00:31:47,920 Speaker 3: so mental Wealth is saying, hey, I'm sharing this stuff 633 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:50,960 Speaker 3: with you today. Jay's sharing this stuff with you, leading 634 00:31:50,960 --> 00:31:54,640 Speaker 3: with the scars to show you you can change the ship. 635 00:31:55,320 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 3: You can't overcome, you have more agency in your life, 636 00:31:58,760 --> 00:32:01,280 Speaker 3: over your life than you realize. We all do we 637 00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,560 Speaker 3: all do? You have autonomy over your moods? You have 638 00:32:04,880 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 3: autonomy over your body, of autonomy over your mind. Even 639 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:11,000 Speaker 3: if you read Victor frankel Man Search for Meaning, Even 640 00:32:11,040 --> 00:32:14,120 Speaker 3: if you lose autonomy over all those things, this man 641 00:32:14,120 --> 00:32:17,320 Speaker 3: wrote this book from a concentration camp, Nazi concentration camp. 642 00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,000 Speaker 3: He said, even if you lose all of those things, 643 00:32:20,560 --> 00:32:23,360 Speaker 3: where you have no more choices, you have no autonomy 644 00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 3: over your body, where it is no autonomy over your food, 645 00:32:27,040 --> 00:32:30,800 Speaker 3: you're starving, He said, you can still when everything's been 646 00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:33,760 Speaker 3: taken from the external world, you can still choose to 647 00:32:33,800 --> 00:32:36,240 Speaker 3: deal with your suffering in a dignified way, and that 648 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 3: can never be taken from you. This is a man 649 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,040 Speaker 3: who is having God experiences in Nazi concentration camp, as 650 00:32:42,040 --> 00:32:44,440 Speaker 3: his body fell apart, as every member of his family 651 00:32:44,520 --> 00:32:47,360 Speaker 3: was killed, as he looked outside and felt more connected 652 00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:48,800 Speaker 3: to his wife than he ever felt, and she was 653 00:32:48,800 --> 00:32:51,840 Speaker 3: already dead, but you didn't know it yet. This is 654 00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,480 Speaker 3: so I read this, I gole, what's my excuse? Today? 655 00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 3: You know what's my excuse? We have autonomy over our 656 00:32:58,920 --> 00:33:03,760 Speaker 3: lives and every moment that we're given is a gift. 657 00:33:04,280 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 3: Whether it's a beautiful moment it's an invitation to celebrate, 658 00:33:07,880 --> 00:33:11,000 Speaker 3: or a challenging moment, it's an invitation to grow where 659 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,640 Speaker 3: here is human beings, and it's a privilege to share 660 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:18,120 Speaker 3: this moment. And no one can take away that privilege 661 00:33:18,120 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 3: from you except yourself. 662 00:33:20,160 --> 00:33:21,400 Speaker 2: Take us through the end of the journey. I do 663 00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:22,760 Speaker 2: want you to take us through the end of the journey. 664 00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:24,880 Speaker 3: That's the end of the joy. I mean, after the 665 00:33:24,920 --> 00:33:27,800 Speaker 3: snake bite, I knew nothing could stop me. That was 666 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:31,080 Speaker 3: the gift. It was like I went not the snake bite, 667 00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:34,680 Speaker 3: but choosing to go back. Then I hit the Rocky mountains. 668 00:33:35,080 --> 00:33:37,880 Speaker 3: So I went up the Rocky mountains, I went down 669 00:33:37,960 --> 00:33:40,760 Speaker 3: the other side. When I was coming down the other side, 670 00:33:40,800 --> 00:33:44,760 Speaker 3: I go, dude, I am so much stronger than I 671 00:33:44,800 --> 00:33:48,360 Speaker 3: thought I was before I started this journey. I was like, yeah, 672 00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:55,160 Speaker 3: I heard this story about there's a Buddhist monastery and 673 00:33:55,160 --> 00:33:57,560 Speaker 3: a monk is walking around the monastery and there's a 674 00:33:57,600 --> 00:34:01,960 Speaker 3: clay statue of the Buddha, this big clay statue, and 675 00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:03,880 Speaker 3: they walk around it every day and they do their 676 00:34:04,640 --> 00:34:08,760 Speaker 3: prostrations and their rituals, and one day he's walking around, 677 00:34:08,760 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 3: he notices there's a crack in the clay and the 678 00:34:11,160 --> 00:34:12,840 Speaker 3: statue and he goes to look at and there's like 679 00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:16,960 Speaker 3: light coming out of the crack. What is this? And 680 00:34:17,000 --> 00:34:19,600 Speaker 3: he's just examining. The other monks come look and examine it, 681 00:34:19,640 --> 00:34:23,640 Speaker 3: and as they look closer, they realize this clay statue 682 00:34:24,600 --> 00:34:29,280 Speaker 3: is not it's gold underneath. It was covered by clay 683 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:32,000 Speaker 3: hundreds of years ago because there were invaders coming and 684 00:34:32,000 --> 00:34:34,520 Speaker 3: they didn't want the invaders to see how valuable it was. 685 00:34:34,840 --> 00:34:38,919 Speaker 3: And they start to very carefully peel off and take 686 00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 3: the clay off of this Buddhist statue. And it's a 687 00:34:42,520 --> 00:34:48,840 Speaker 3: gold statue that's each one of us underneath the story 688 00:34:48,840 --> 00:34:52,360 Speaker 3: of who we've told ourselves we are is a version 689 00:34:52,400 --> 00:34:58,120 Speaker 3: of ourselves that's impossibly beautiful, beyond recognition. And so me 690 00:34:58,320 --> 00:35:01,680 Speaker 3: doing this journey was me take some chips. And I'm 691 00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,360 Speaker 3: still doing that, right, We're all still It was me 692 00:35:04,480 --> 00:35:07,800 Speaker 3: taking a little clay off that statue. And as I 693 00:35:07,840 --> 00:35:10,160 Speaker 3: got bit by the snake, I chose not to quit. 694 00:35:10,280 --> 00:35:13,279 Speaker 3: I took a little clayoff or some more goal and 695 00:35:13,320 --> 00:35:16,520 Speaker 3: as I went up into the rocky mountains, after more clayoff, 696 00:35:16,840 --> 00:35:18,800 Speaker 3: and then I went down on the other side of 697 00:35:18,800 --> 00:35:20,959 Speaker 3: the rocket, took a little more clayoff, and I realized, dude, 698 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:25,799 Speaker 3: like I can do anything because I now choose to 699 00:35:25,880 --> 00:35:30,680 Speaker 3: walk into adversity. I choose adversity. Other people run. I 700 00:35:30,760 --> 00:35:33,600 Speaker 3: used to run from adversity. My life became really small. 701 00:35:33,640 --> 00:35:35,920 Speaker 3: I started running to adversity, and my life became really big. 702 00:35:36,920 --> 00:35:39,919 Speaker 3: So I just kept putting one foot after the other. 703 00:35:40,200 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 3: I kept taking steps until I walked across Colorado. I 704 00:35:43,320 --> 00:35:46,520 Speaker 3: kept taking steps until I walked across Navajo Nation. Had 705 00:35:46,520 --> 00:35:49,839 Speaker 3: a spiritual experience there again to that I could come 706 00:35:49,840 --> 00:35:54,440 Speaker 3: back on the show. Walk across Arizona, I kept taking steps. 707 00:35:54,440 --> 00:35:57,239 Speaker 3: I walked across the Mojave Desert. I kept taking steps. 708 00:35:57,280 --> 00:36:00,840 Speaker 3: I walked into California. People started texting me, congratulations, you 709 00:36:00,880 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 3: did it. I remember, like fuy, I didn't do shit. 710 00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:05,600 Speaker 3: I just made it to California, got three hundred more miles. 711 00:36:06,719 --> 00:36:10,239 Speaker 3: They don't know, like you know, I'm not done. I 712 00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,839 Speaker 3: kept taking steps until I walked into la I kept 713 00:36:12,840 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 3: thinking steps so Hollywood, sunds am I right, kept taking steps. 714 00:36:15,800 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 3: The pavement turned in the sand. My walk turned into 715 00:36:17,960 --> 00:36:21,080 Speaker 3: a sprint. After six months and three days, two eight 716 00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:23,120 Speaker 3: hundred and fifty one miles. I think something like six 717 00:36:23,200 --> 00:36:27,040 Speaker 3: point zero one million steps. I dove into the Pacific 718 00:36:27,080 --> 00:36:33,520 Speaker 3: Ocean and in that moment, the waves are washing over me. 719 00:36:38,120 --> 00:36:40,760 Speaker 3: For over a year, I've been dreaming of the moment 720 00:36:40,800 --> 00:36:45,719 Speaker 3: I was now inhabiting, and every time I dreamed about it, 721 00:36:45,760 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 3: I expected to feel accomplishment, as if I had completed 722 00:36:51,120 --> 00:36:56,400 Speaker 3: something that really mattered. But when I got into the 723 00:36:56,480 --> 00:37:02,400 Speaker 3: actual moment, where it was physically in that world, the 724 00:37:02,440 --> 00:37:04,160 Speaker 3: sun is shining down on me, and some of my 725 00:37:04,200 --> 00:37:06,000 Speaker 3: loved ones are on the beach waiting for me to 726 00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:11,320 Speaker 3: come back in, I didn't feel accomplishment. I felt somebody 727 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:17,120 Speaker 3: didn't expect to feel. I felt possibility, almost like all 728 00:37:17,160 --> 00:37:22,239 Speaker 3: the colors on my canvas had been white, clean, blank canvas, 729 00:37:22,960 --> 00:37:26,600 Speaker 3: Like if I did this, I can't do anything. 730 00:37:26,920 --> 00:37:28,320 Speaker 2: You can paint anything. 731 00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:33,200 Speaker 3: That's right, and so it was. It felt it felt 732 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:34,520 Speaker 3: like the first day of my life. 733 00:37:35,400 --> 00:37:39,960 Speaker 2: Wow, that is that makes you the richest guy? 734 00:37:40,000 --> 00:37:44,920 Speaker 3: I know. I feel like that. 735 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 2: That is amazing. 736 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:46,080 Speaker 3: Man. 737 00:37:46,120 --> 00:37:47,800 Speaker 2: I realized that is amazing. 738 00:37:48,680 --> 00:37:50,919 Speaker 1: So now I'm gonna back in because let me tell 739 00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:52,759 Speaker 1: everybody how I first met Mike and he didn't know 740 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:53,560 Speaker 1: this until just now. 741 00:37:53,680 --> 00:37:55,120 Speaker 2: So I first met Mike. 742 00:37:55,680 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: The forty nine Ers are playing the Chiefs at the 743 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,760 Speaker 1: Super Bowl in Vegas last year. John Lynch aka forty 744 00:38:02,760 --> 00:38:05,200 Speaker 1: seven read good good friend of mine. I got him 745 00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:07,760 Speaker 1: a room at Delilah so he could have a little party, 746 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,600 Speaker 1: and he's like, Jay, you got to come see this guy. 747 00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:12,759 Speaker 1: I'm bringing my friend, Mike Posner. And he's like, dude, 748 00:38:12,760 --> 00:38:16,200 Speaker 1: this guy came and he did breath work with the 749 00:38:16,280 --> 00:38:20,000 Speaker 1: team and all these players start crying and I'm like, hey, 750 00:38:20,000 --> 00:38:20,440 Speaker 1: my poster. 751 00:38:20,520 --> 00:38:23,160 Speaker 2: Isn't he like a singer. He's like no, No, He's 752 00:38:23,200 --> 00:38:24,000 Speaker 2: so much more than that. 753 00:38:25,320 --> 00:38:29,600 Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, these guys crying and everybody and I 754 00:38:29,640 --> 00:38:31,799 Speaker 1: saw you, you know, tell this story and seeing that 755 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:34,759 Speaker 1: night with the forty nine ers, and I go and 756 00:38:34,800 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: call I want a Jim, call them breakable and holding 757 00:38:38,000 --> 00:38:40,600 Speaker 1: about unbreakable is you? It was a community, you know, 758 00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,760 Speaker 1: it was more of a mental health place than a gym, 759 00:38:42,920 --> 00:38:46,040 Speaker 1: because it was about being connected and pushing your breaking 760 00:38:46,080 --> 00:38:48,760 Speaker 1: points and pushing your breaking points and pushing your breaking points, 761 00:38:49,000 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: everything else gets easier, exactly what you're talking about. And 762 00:38:52,840 --> 00:38:54,720 Speaker 1: my head coach, there was a guy named Jason Borbo, 763 00:38:54,800 --> 00:38:58,239 Speaker 1: who man, I hired this guy ten years ago, making 764 00:38:58,280 --> 00:39:01,520 Speaker 1: twenty four grand a year to sweet floors and mop 765 00:39:01,560 --> 00:39:03,920 Speaker 1: floors and basically sleep there. And that was like kind 766 00:39:03,920 --> 00:39:06,839 Speaker 1: of the right of a passage for a fighter. Back then, 767 00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:09,719 Speaker 1: he and I were fight teammates, and he's gone on 768 00:39:09,719 --> 00:39:14,400 Speaker 1: to now be an owner of Unbreakable Barner, one of 769 00:39:14,440 --> 00:39:15,839 Speaker 1: the best friends I've ever had in my life. 770 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:17,680 Speaker 2: But we were training a lot of these stars in 771 00:39:17,719 --> 00:39:18,080 Speaker 2: the road. 772 00:39:18,360 --> 00:39:20,600 Speaker 1: He's training Demi Levado and Nick Jonas on the road 773 00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:23,479 Speaker 1: and he calls me up. He says, Hey, I'm training 774 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: this other guy. I'm not charging him, like me not 775 00:39:26,200 --> 00:39:28,640 Speaker 1: charging him And he's like, no, trust me, I'm not 776 00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:31,840 Speaker 1: charging this guy. He's like, you, man, he's trying to 777 00:39:31,920 --> 00:39:33,880 Speaker 1: change himself so he could change the world. 778 00:39:34,719 --> 00:39:36,960 Speaker 2: And I was like, what do I say there? 779 00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: So when I called Borba to tell him about my 780 00:39:41,280 --> 00:39:44,520 Speaker 1: experience with the forty nine ers, he was like, dude. 781 00:39:44,239 --> 00:39:45,480 Speaker 2: That's the same guy. 782 00:39:46,600 --> 00:39:49,920 Speaker 1: That's the guy that we didn't charge him, Like, oh 783 00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,680 Speaker 1: my god, And it really is. 784 00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,239 Speaker 2: It's you were trying to change yourself so you could 785 00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:55,880 Speaker 2: change the world. 786 00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:58,040 Speaker 1: And that's what I've kind of realized in this journey too, 787 00:39:58,120 --> 00:40:00,360 Speaker 1: like I realized I want to tie I let on 788 00:40:00,400 --> 00:40:02,440 Speaker 1: out mind body, spirit journey, and like I did the 789 00:40:02,480 --> 00:40:04,880 Speaker 1: Buddies things where I really kind of got deep at 790 00:40:04,880 --> 00:40:07,200 Speaker 1: the universe. It was almost like God in the universe 791 00:40:07,239 --> 00:40:09,200 Speaker 1: were talking to me, going, hey, no one was against you. 792 00:40:09,480 --> 00:40:12,200 Speaker 1: We just needed you feel this pain so you could 793 00:40:12,200 --> 00:40:14,719 Speaker 1: help others through theirs. And at the same time, we 794 00:40:14,800 --> 00:40:18,160 Speaker 1: need you to see all your other dreams came shrew 795 00:40:19,000 --> 00:40:21,360 Speaker 1: during the process so we could keep you afloat. 796 00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:23,360 Speaker 2: That's what I got. 797 00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:28,400 Speaker 1: And wow, so I had this anger and resentment, and 798 00:40:28,440 --> 00:40:30,080 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, I'm like you looked at it 799 00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:30,399 Speaker 1: that way. 800 00:40:30,440 --> 00:40:32,839 Speaker 2: You're right, like you're talking about looking at your life 801 00:40:32,840 --> 00:40:35,080 Speaker 2: in a different way. You're right. All my dreams did 802 00:40:35,120 --> 00:40:35,479 Speaker 2: come true. 803 00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:37,120 Speaker 1: The journey was hard, but that's what you and I 804 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:39,280 Speaker 1: were talking about, these hard roads. 805 00:40:39,880 --> 00:40:41,400 Speaker 2: You know, it's not all paved. 806 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:44,640 Speaker 1: There are rattlesnakes, you know, there are mountains to go 807 00:40:44,760 --> 00:40:48,000 Speaker 1: up and down, and then the pot of. 808 00:40:48,000 --> 00:40:48,800 Speaker 2: Gold, the end, the rainbow. 809 00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:52,440 Speaker 1: For us is just to keep walking that but one foot, 810 00:40:52,760 --> 00:40:54,759 Speaker 1: one foot in place the other man. 811 00:40:54,840 --> 00:40:56,439 Speaker 2: It's such a beautiful story. 812 00:40:56,480 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 3: Man. 813 00:40:56,640 --> 00:41:00,200 Speaker 1: I am so honored that you came on with us. 814 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:00,640 Speaker 2: Really cool. 815 00:41:00,680 --> 00:41:02,040 Speaker 1: I know it's a long time time we've been trying 816 00:41:02,080 --> 00:41:05,200 Speaker 1: to put this together, man, but this, for me was 817 00:41:05,760 --> 00:41:08,239 Speaker 1: probably my favorite sit down on a Bret. Oh. 818 00:41:08,440 --> 00:41:10,680 Speaker 3: That means a lot to me, And thank you so 819 00:41:10,800 --> 00:41:12,760 Speaker 3: much for the opportunity. I knew it was gonna be 820 00:41:12,760 --> 00:41:16,280 Speaker 3: beautiful to share space. I feel, I feel like always 821 00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:17,800 Speaker 3: I got to hear you speak more. 822 00:41:18,040 --> 00:41:22,240 Speaker 2: But uh, I read, I have one. 823 00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,919 Speaker 1: More question for it because I asked, every ask every guest, 824 00:41:25,320 --> 00:41:28,720 Speaker 1: give me an unbreakable moment, and that is the moment 825 00:41:28,760 --> 00:41:31,239 Speaker 1: that should have broken you. Might have already said the 826 00:41:31,239 --> 00:41:33,200 Speaker 1: moment that should have broken you in life and didn't, 827 00:41:33,200 --> 00:41:35,279 Speaker 1: and as a result, you came through the other side 828 00:41:35,320 --> 00:41:36,640 Speaker 1: of that tunnel stronger forever. 829 00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,239 Speaker 3: I think the snake, but it was definitely one of them. 830 00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,840 Speaker 3: I had another one, you know, after I this is 831 00:41:42,960 --> 00:41:46,160 Speaker 3: like a tale for another time. But after I got 832 00:41:46,160 --> 00:41:49,319 Speaker 3: out of that ocean and I felt that possibility, decided 833 00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:53,279 Speaker 3: something else to push my own boundaries, right like you 834 00:41:53,320 --> 00:41:56,240 Speaker 3: said at the gym, and so I chose to climb 835 00:41:56,239 --> 00:42:00,800 Speaker 3: Mount Everest and that was a lot longer journey. Actually 836 00:42:00,800 --> 00:42:02,840 Speaker 3: took a year and a half to prepare for and 837 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,000 Speaker 3: when I got there, it was that camp to Mount 838 00:42:05,040 --> 00:42:09,720 Speaker 3: Everest and there was an avalanche and the air blast 839 00:42:09,760 --> 00:42:14,080 Speaker 3: from the avalanche hit our tent and ripped the tent open. 840 00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,640 Speaker 3: Snow was funneling in, and I didn't think I was 841 00:42:18,640 --> 00:42:22,279 Speaker 3: gonna die. I just knew I was dead. It was 842 00:42:22,320 --> 00:42:24,440 Speaker 3: like my worst night mare. I'd read about stuff like this, 843 00:42:24,680 --> 00:42:27,560 Speaker 3: and I knew the risk was about one percent death rate, 844 00:42:27,880 --> 00:42:29,839 Speaker 3: and I was comfortable with that. I was like, I'm 845 00:42:29,880 --> 00:42:33,560 Speaker 3: in the one percent, like this is it. And magically 846 00:42:33,719 --> 00:42:39,920 Speaker 3: the blast subsided before it causing damage to us. And 847 00:42:40,040 --> 00:42:42,160 Speaker 3: there was another moment where I either just go down 848 00:42:43,280 --> 00:42:48,760 Speaker 3: or keep going up, and I chose to continue climbing 849 00:42:48,760 --> 00:42:51,360 Speaker 3: the mountain. And I summitted the mountain two days later, 850 00:42:51,440 --> 00:42:55,680 Speaker 3: and I wept on that summit because there were voices 851 00:42:55,719 --> 00:42:58,120 Speaker 3: inside me telling me not to do it, and I 852 00:42:58,200 --> 00:43:00,960 Speaker 3: did it, and they would pull it off, get down safely, 853 00:43:01,200 --> 00:43:04,080 Speaker 3: most importantly, and it was just it was just it 854 00:43:04,200 --> 00:43:06,239 Speaker 3: was the same lesson I've been talking about. It's like, 855 00:43:06,440 --> 00:43:10,400 Speaker 3: you're stronger than anything, stronger than anything, don't judge yourself 856 00:43:10,400 --> 00:43:13,919 Speaker 3: too early, keep going and you will be amazed by 857 00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:17,600 Speaker 3: what life and God haveing stuff for you, Mike, my brother. 858 00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:18,680 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. Man. 859 00:43:18,760 --> 00:43:21,880 Speaker 1: Look you've changed me today. It transformed me today. I 860 00:43:21,920 --> 00:43:25,640 Speaker 1: know you're others out there. You've done the same thing again. 861 00:43:25,680 --> 00:43:28,000 Speaker 1: Inner Bloom. How do people go to your community inter bloom? 862 00:43:28,400 --> 00:43:32,080 Speaker 3: Yeah, just some go to Mike posn dot com. There's 863 00:43:32,120 --> 00:43:35,960 Speaker 3: a there's a free album inside there have my music 864 00:43:36,000 --> 00:43:39,040 Speaker 3: that doesn't exist anywhere else. And more importantly, it's just 865 00:43:39,080 --> 00:43:42,480 Speaker 3: a community of people were having conversations like this and 866 00:43:42,520 --> 00:43:44,640 Speaker 3: not you know, we do the zoom calls once a week. 867 00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:48,239 Speaker 3: They're also totally free. The whole thing's free. But beyond that, 868 00:43:48,600 --> 00:43:51,799 Speaker 3: on a daily basis, people are sharing their challenges and 869 00:43:51,880 --> 00:43:55,200 Speaker 3: their wins and doing this on a daily basis. So 870 00:43:55,239 --> 00:43:57,920 Speaker 3: it's not like social media where people are you know, 871 00:43:58,160 --> 00:44:00,359 Speaker 3: every comment in One comment might be nice, other one 872 00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:02,120 Speaker 3: tears you down, and everyone's making fun of you, and 873 00:44:02,120 --> 00:44:04,759 Speaker 3: it's all This is a this is a community of transformation. 874 00:44:04,840 --> 00:44:08,319 Speaker 3: So we called a space for miracles and transformation to 875 00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:10,799 Speaker 3: take place. And so you know, as you know, you 876 00:44:10,840 --> 00:44:13,359 Speaker 3: get you down this path of changing your life, trying 877 00:44:13,360 --> 00:44:15,200 Speaker 3: to change yourself so you can change the world. Like 878 00:44:15,239 --> 00:44:18,279 Speaker 3: you said, that can be a lonely path, you know, 879 00:44:18,360 --> 00:44:21,000 Speaker 3: because the people in your immediate surroundings may not be 880 00:44:21,080 --> 00:44:23,759 Speaker 3: on that path, and so we're just collecting people on 881 00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:25,200 Speaker 3: that path so they cannot be alone. 882 00:44:25,280 --> 00:44:26,640 Speaker 2: That's it, count me and brother Mike. 883 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: I appreciate it so much. Mike Posner Man, my brother, dude, 884 00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:31,840 Speaker 1: I am walking this walk with you. 885 00:44:31,920 --> 00:44:34,759 Speaker 3: Love your brother, Love you too, God let you. Jay 886 00:44:34,880 --> 00:44:35,279 Speaker 3: tucks in