1 00:00:00,120 --> 00:00:02,840 Speaker 1: Welcome to How the Money. I'm Joel and I'm Matt 2 00:00:03,000 --> 00:00:25,439 Speaker 1: and today we're discussing why you need a new hobby. Yeah, 3 00:00:25,880 --> 00:00:27,840 Speaker 1: we are going to talk all about hobbies, which is 4 00:00:28,000 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: a fun little topic. This is almost more of like 5 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:31,639 Speaker 1: a lifestyle of thing. But but I'm looking forward to 6 00:00:31,680 --> 00:00:33,680 Speaker 1: how we're gonna sort of tie money into this and 7 00:00:33,720 --> 00:00:36,400 Speaker 1: really why we feel that having hobbies is so important 8 00:00:36,440 --> 00:00:39,000 Speaker 1: for our personal growth as well as our long term 9 00:00:39,040 --> 00:00:41,760 Speaker 1: sort of outlook towards retirement, financial independence. There's a lot 10 00:00:41,800 --> 00:00:44,760 Speaker 1: of implications that that hobbies have, so yeah, that that 11 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: should be a lot of fun. But real quick, I 12 00:00:46,120 --> 00:00:47,800 Speaker 1: wanted to share a story with you, you you like we 13 00:00:47,880 --> 00:00:51,040 Speaker 1: always do every week. Oh tell me a story, Matthew. So, 14 00:00:51,200 --> 00:00:52,839 Speaker 1: Kate and I we we received a letter in the 15 00:00:52,880 --> 00:00:56,040 Speaker 1: mail from It said Capital one, and it was a 16 00:00:56,080 --> 00:00:59,040 Speaker 1: different looking letter. It's not the standard envelope that you get. 17 00:00:59,080 --> 00:01:00,800 Speaker 1: So we cracked it open to look and it was 18 00:01:00,840 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 1: from Cap one three sixty, which we used to have 19 00:01:03,400 --> 00:01:04,680 Speaker 1: one of those accounts, and so I thought it was 20 00:01:04,720 --> 00:01:06,920 Speaker 1: kind of bizarre. So I actually read it. Wait, let 21 00:01:06,920 --> 00:01:08,520 Speaker 1: me guess the end of the story. It was a 22 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,839 Speaker 1: check for a lot of money and you're retiring early 23 00:01:11,200 --> 00:01:17,039 Speaker 1: two dollars. No, but similar to that, they actually said 24 00:01:17,040 --> 00:01:19,520 Speaker 1: that there was an abandoned accounts or it was actually 25 00:01:19,520 --> 00:01:21,960 Speaker 1: getting ready to be abandoned within like another month or two, 26 00:01:22,280 --> 00:01:23,760 Speaker 1: and that it was going to be turned over to 27 00:01:23,760 --> 00:01:26,480 Speaker 1: the state because there had been zero activity on it 28 00:01:26,520 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: I want to say, maybe for three years. Oh and 29 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:30,919 Speaker 1: by the way, it was only for fifty six bucks, 30 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:33,679 Speaker 1: so that's a lot of money, but still enough for 31 00:01:33,720 --> 00:01:35,560 Speaker 1: me to want to make that call and look into 32 00:01:35,600 --> 00:01:37,680 Speaker 1: it a little bit something. Yeah, But after I thought 33 00:01:37,680 --> 00:01:39,640 Speaker 1: about it for a second, we remembered why we had 34 00:01:39,640 --> 00:01:42,520 Speaker 1: opened that accounts, and it was because there was a 35 00:01:42,560 --> 00:01:44,280 Speaker 1: sign up bonus way back in the day that they 36 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:46,600 Speaker 1: were offering, and my wife opened that account under her 37 00:01:46,640 --> 00:01:48,600 Speaker 1: name deposited the right amount of money in there to 38 00:01:48,760 --> 00:01:51,200 Speaker 1: meet the requirements to to get that bonus. But then 39 00:01:51,560 --> 00:01:52,800 Speaker 1: I guess we pulled some of it out, but then 40 00:01:52,800 --> 00:01:55,080 Speaker 1: we forgot about it. And you know what, we talked 41 00:01:55,120 --> 00:01:58,160 Speaker 1: about the benefits of finding a nice sign up bonus 42 00:01:58,200 --> 00:02:00,800 Speaker 1: for a new checking new saving is a count but 43 00:02:01,080 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: one downside is that if you are not super organized 44 00:02:03,720 --> 00:02:06,640 Speaker 1: and I'm pretty organized, right, You've talked about the spreads 45 00:02:06,760 --> 00:02:08,960 Speaker 1: c you have many times, but somehow that one kind 46 00:02:08,960 --> 00:02:11,720 Speaker 1: of slipped under the radar. And that's the downside is 47 00:02:11,760 --> 00:02:14,040 Speaker 1: that you know, you don't want to leave these accounts abandoned, 48 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:16,680 Speaker 1: otherwise it will be turned over to the States and 49 00:02:16,960 --> 00:02:19,480 Speaker 1: you may not actually find that money. Well, how suite 50 00:02:19,480 --> 00:02:21,600 Speaker 1: of capital one three sixty to notify you be the 51 00:02:21,639 --> 00:02:23,960 Speaker 1: mail and you're gonna get your fifty six bucks back 52 00:02:24,040 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: before this account was closed and wind torment right and 53 00:02:26,720 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 1: take that to the bank. Yeah, but I think it's 54 00:02:28,639 --> 00:02:30,840 Speaker 1: important for people to know that there's a chance that 55 00:02:30,880 --> 00:02:33,560 Speaker 1: there's an account like that out there that you've forgotten about. 56 00:02:33,760 --> 00:02:36,480 Speaker 1: Maybe you also opened up a separate bank account to 57 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:38,600 Speaker 1: grab that bonus. And the easiest way to track down 58 00:02:38,600 --> 00:02:40,880 Speaker 1: that money that you might have completely forgotten about, well, 59 00:02:40,919 --> 00:02:42,840 Speaker 1: there's a site that really helps folks do that, and 60 00:02:42,880 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 1: it's called missing money dot com. Missing money helps people 61 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:49,800 Speaker 1: find the rifle owners of unclaimed money that states received 62 00:02:49,840 --> 00:02:53,040 Speaker 1: like your state Matt was about to receive exactly. You 63 00:02:53,080 --> 00:02:55,960 Speaker 1: can conduct a free search for bank accounts, safe deposit 64 00:02:56,000 --> 00:03:01,399 Speaker 1: box contents, uncash checks, insurance policy CDs, trust funds, utility deposits, 65 00:03:01,400 --> 00:03:04,080 Speaker 1: stocks and bonds escrow accounts and more. I mean, it's 66 00:03:04,120 --> 00:03:06,400 Speaker 1: kind of cool that it's a lot it is. They're 67 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:09,120 Speaker 1: all these potential accounts that maybe you've forgotten about, and 68 00:03:09,120 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: you know what, maybe search for a parent or a relative, 69 00:03:11,440 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: a loved one too. But Missing Money is just this 70 00:03:13,840 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: cool site where you can for free check and see 71 00:03:17,120 --> 00:03:19,600 Speaker 1: if you are somebody that you know and love is 72 00:03:19,639 --> 00:03:22,320 Speaker 1: potentially missing some money that they should have in their lives. 73 00:03:22,639 --> 00:03:24,600 Speaker 1: So obviously I searched our name to see if you know, 74 00:03:24,600 --> 00:03:26,400 Speaker 1: there's anything else since that kind of came up on 75 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,239 Speaker 1: a radar. Are there more accounts I've forgotten about? I 76 00:03:28,240 --> 00:03:30,240 Speaker 1: also searched your name and saw that there was not, 77 00:03:30,360 --> 00:03:32,440 Speaker 1: so I'd searched my name to what you While I 78 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:34,480 Speaker 1: was thinking about this, I was just surprised at the 79 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:36,640 Speaker 1: different people named large Guard out there because it's a 80 00:03:36,680 --> 00:03:39,480 Speaker 1: really uncommon last name, and just kind of see where 81 00:03:39,520 --> 00:03:43,120 Speaker 1: they're scattered on the country, which, yeah, which which ones 82 00:03:43,160 --> 00:03:45,120 Speaker 1: are missing money? And uh and yeah. So it's just 83 00:03:45,200 --> 00:03:47,400 Speaker 1: kind of interesting to see that, But sadly, I'm not 84 00:03:47,440 --> 00:03:50,520 Speaker 1: currently missing any money. It's also gonna note that most 85 00:03:50,520 --> 00:03:53,000 Speaker 1: states do participate in that website Missing money dot com, 86 00:03:53,000 --> 00:03:55,200 Speaker 1: but if they don't. They'll say that they don't participate, 87 00:03:55,240 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: and they'll have a link a lot of times to 88 00:03:57,120 --> 00:03:59,640 Speaker 1: this specific state website where you can typically go and 89 00:03:59,680 --> 00:04:01,920 Speaker 1: search for free so make sure to check that out 90 00:04:02,000 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: missing money dot com. Yep, all right, Matt, let's mention 91 00:04:04,800 --> 00:04:07,880 Speaker 1: the beer and I put beer in quotation marks because 92 00:04:08,360 --> 00:04:10,760 Speaker 1: so on Monday's episode, we had a cold brew coffee 93 00:04:10,800 --> 00:04:13,840 Speaker 1: and today we're taking another right turn. We're having a 94 00:04:13,880 --> 00:04:16,479 Speaker 1: cider on the show, the second sider we've ever had. 95 00:04:16,680 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 1: On this episode, we're having a bourbon barrel peach cider 96 00:04:19,520 --> 00:04:22,039 Speaker 1: by tie it On Cider Works out of Washington State, 97 00:04:22,160 --> 00:04:25,440 Speaker 1: and Jenna, who works with this sidery, sent this br away. 98 00:04:25,480 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 1: So thanks to Jennifer sending this one out, I'm really 99 00:04:27,360 --> 00:04:29,359 Speaker 1: intrigued and ready to try this one. And it's not 100 00:04:29,440 --> 00:04:31,760 Speaker 1: that we don't like beer anymore. We're just taking a 101 00:04:31,800 --> 00:04:34,679 Speaker 1: little late summer beer break, and next episode we're getting 102 00:04:34,680 --> 00:04:36,320 Speaker 1: back to the beer. We promise it's it's all beer 103 00:04:36,360 --> 00:04:37,880 Speaker 1: from here on out for the most part. But but 104 00:04:37,960 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: since Jenna was kind enough to send us this sider, 105 00:04:40,160 --> 00:04:41,680 Speaker 1: we're ready to try it. So we'll let you know 106 00:04:41,720 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 1: what we think about it at the end. Of the show. Yeah, 107 00:04:43,279 --> 00:04:45,760 Speaker 1: looking forward to it all right, att onto the subject 108 00:04:45,800 --> 00:04:49,120 Speaker 1: at hand. Today we're discussing why you need a new hobby, 109 00:04:49,240 --> 00:04:52,919 Speaker 1: and last week we discussed why we're saving for retirement. 110 00:04:53,640 --> 00:04:55,479 Speaker 1: Just kind of felt like there's this need to address 111 00:04:55,480 --> 00:04:59,359 Speaker 1: why we're doing that. But interestingly enough, many people that 112 00:04:59,440 --> 00:05:02,279 Speaker 1: retire they have no idea what to do with themselves. 113 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:04,840 Speaker 1: They get bored and end up going back to work. 114 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:08,200 Speaker 1: My uncle is this perfect example of this, where he 115 00:05:08,480 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 1: retired and sat on his hands. He didn't know what 116 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,080 Speaker 1: to do with his life after retirement, and he ended 117 00:05:14,160 --> 00:05:16,400 Speaker 1: up getting a job down the street, part time, twenty 118 00:05:16,440 --> 00:05:18,599 Speaker 1: something hours a week. And I see this all the 119 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 1: time in my dad's friend group, when they start to 120 00:05:20,960 --> 00:05:24,240 Speaker 1: retire and they go back to work because they don't 121 00:05:24,279 --> 00:05:26,040 Speaker 1: know what to do with themselves. And sometimes it's okay, 122 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:28,800 Speaker 1: right to to find a more meaningful job, but yeah, 123 00:05:28,800 --> 00:05:31,440 Speaker 1: exactly finding something that you know, you feel that satisfies 124 00:05:31,480 --> 00:05:33,240 Speaker 1: you more on a personal level, even if it's not 125 00:05:33,279 --> 00:05:35,720 Speaker 1: paying nearly what you were making in your in your 126 00:05:35,760 --> 00:05:38,800 Speaker 1: regular job. Right. Yeah, my cousin he told me recently 127 00:05:38,839 --> 00:05:40,880 Speaker 1: that his dad went back to work after retirement to 128 00:05:40,920 --> 00:05:43,240 Speaker 1: work at home depot but it's because he's obsessed with 129 00:05:43,320 --> 00:05:45,440 Speaker 1: home depot and he was like, he'd be there every 130 00:05:45,520 --> 00:05:47,280 Speaker 1: day of the week. Anyway, I give them so much 131 00:05:47,279 --> 00:05:49,000 Speaker 1: of my money. Anyway, I feel like I could work there, 132 00:05:49,360 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 1: you know. Yeah, So I just thought it was really 133 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:53,279 Speaker 1: funny that for him going back to work wasn't throwing 134 00:05:53,320 --> 00:05:55,560 Speaker 1: in the towel. It wasn't like admitting defeat an interception 135 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:58,200 Speaker 1: of last resort. Yeah, it was literally this fun new 136 00:05:58,240 --> 00:06:00,120 Speaker 1: option that he could partake in. That's just how be 137 00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:02,400 Speaker 1: and he's putting it to work. But it's important for 138 00:06:02,480 --> 00:06:06,239 Speaker 1: us to choose and develop, in particular budget friendly hobbies. Now, 139 00:06:06,600 --> 00:06:09,320 Speaker 1: my friend Wes Moss, who wrote a book about happier retirees, 140 00:06:09,480 --> 00:06:12,640 Speaker 1: he calls him core pursuits, and he mentioned that, Yeah, right, 141 00:06:12,720 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 1: I think it's a good way more pursuits the way 142 00:06:14,640 --> 00:06:17,120 Speaker 1: of describing it. Based on his studies, he says that 143 00:06:17,160 --> 00:06:20,560 Speaker 1: the happiest retirees have roughly three and a half core 144 00:06:20,600 --> 00:06:24,240 Speaker 1: pursuits that are meaningful to them, and the unhappiest retirees 145 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,320 Speaker 1: have fewer than two and and so, yeah, I think 146 00:06:27,360 --> 00:06:30,039 Speaker 1: that's kind of a good springboard for this conversation that 147 00:06:30,320 --> 00:06:33,720 Speaker 1: whether you're in your twenties or whether you're in your sixties, 148 00:06:34,000 --> 00:06:36,240 Speaker 1: there are a lot of good reasons to find these 149 00:06:36,240 --> 00:06:40,240 Speaker 1: core pursuits, these hobbies that are meaningful, that are inexpensive, 150 00:06:40,600 --> 00:06:42,440 Speaker 1: and so yeah, that's what this episode is gonna be 151 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: about today. Yeah, so this episode really is all about 152 00:06:44,839 --> 00:06:47,320 Speaker 1: getting more fulfillment out of your leisure time. Yeah, and 153 00:06:47,400 --> 00:06:50,040 Speaker 1: Jill speaking, you know, to the fulfillment, right, finding your 154 00:06:50,040 --> 00:06:53,320 Speaker 1: interests so that when you retired, you retire to something. 155 00:06:53,800 --> 00:06:56,440 Speaker 1: Getting folks to to think long term about fun stuff, right, 156 00:06:56,440 --> 00:06:58,479 Speaker 1: that's what we're doing. We talk about that all the 157 00:06:58,520 --> 00:07:01,080 Speaker 1: time with our money specifically, but what we're talking about 158 00:07:01,080 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: on this episode is that we should also be doing 159 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:06,159 Speaker 1: that with our interests as well. You know, we have 160 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,200 Speaker 1: a like it's such a performance or like work based 161 00:07:09,200 --> 00:07:10,920 Speaker 1: culture in the United States. It's good to kind of 162 00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:13,360 Speaker 1: step outside of that. We're essentially we're trying to find 163 00:07:13,400 --> 00:07:15,680 Speaker 1: again balance in our life, and that's what we always 164 00:07:15,800 --> 00:07:17,880 Speaker 1: strive to do on the show is try to find 165 00:07:17,880 --> 00:07:20,240 Speaker 1: a balance between being smart with our money so that 166 00:07:20,280 --> 00:07:23,400 Speaker 1: we can afford to live like at all, you know, 167 00:07:23,440 --> 00:07:25,200 Speaker 1: in the future, but at the same time making sure 168 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 1: that we are pursuing things that we find personal fulfillment 169 00:07:27,680 --> 00:07:30,200 Speaker 1: in because guess what if that's something that we neglect 170 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:32,840 Speaker 1: now early on, Yeah, we're we are going to get 171 00:07:32,880 --> 00:07:35,680 Speaker 1: towards the maybe the middle or end of our lives, 172 00:07:35,840 --> 00:07:37,360 Speaker 1: and we might find that we just don't know what 173 00:07:37,400 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 1: to do with ourselves, and we might find that we 174 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:41,320 Speaker 1: are restless and that we turn to to work to 175 00:07:41,400 --> 00:07:43,960 Speaker 1: kind of find that fulfillment. Yeah. I think work can 176 00:07:44,000 --> 00:07:46,520 Speaker 1: be a safety blanket for you if you don't have 177 00:07:47,160 --> 00:07:50,200 Speaker 1: really good hobbies, meaningful hobbies, those core pursuits, right that 178 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:52,520 Speaker 1: you're tackling in your life. Well, I think another really 179 00:07:52,560 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: important part of this. I mean, our show is called 180 00:07:54,080 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: How the Money, so we have to talk about the 181 00:07:55,600 --> 00:07:58,840 Speaker 1: money aspect of course, right, Well, hobbies can be expensive, 182 00:07:58,920 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 1: and I don't know, I guess when I think about 183 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:04,800 Speaker 1: the quintessential retiree, I'm thinking of someone who plays golf 184 00:08:04,800 --> 00:08:07,120 Speaker 1: two or three times a week, and which is solely 185 00:08:07,120 --> 00:08:09,280 Speaker 1: fine though. I mean, if you are really into golf 186 00:08:09,400 --> 00:08:10,600 Speaker 1: and if that's something that you want to do, you know, 187 00:08:10,680 --> 00:08:12,880 Speaker 1: spend your time doing that once you retired, then that's great. 188 00:08:13,040 --> 00:08:14,680 Speaker 1: But as long as you're kind of doing that because 189 00:08:14,760 --> 00:08:16,840 Speaker 1: you really love it, not just because well, I can 190 00:08:16,840 --> 00:08:18,840 Speaker 1: go play golf, I guess right. Yeah. I was thinking 191 00:08:18,880 --> 00:08:20,679 Speaker 1: today about another hobby that one of my friends recently 192 00:08:20,720 --> 00:08:24,080 Speaker 1: picked up, and that is flying airplanes. That is another 193 00:08:24,240 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: really expensive hobby. Pretty baller though. It's just so cool though, right, 194 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:31,679 Speaker 1: I totally understand the desire to fly airplanes despite the cost. 195 00:08:31,720 --> 00:08:35,160 Speaker 1: I think it can be worthwhile, right, But expensive hobbies 196 00:08:35,200 --> 00:08:38,120 Speaker 1: and spending too much on your hobbies can also be 197 00:08:38,160 --> 00:08:40,360 Speaker 1: a negative, right if we're not doing it inside the 198 00:08:40,360 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: bounds of a good budget. So I think it's important 199 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:45,680 Speaker 1: to mention that there are some awesome hobbies out there 200 00:08:45,880 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 1: that are free and cheap. And we think that by 201 00:08:48,040 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: intentionally choosing hobbies and pursuing interests that are affordable, what 202 00:08:51,960 --> 00:08:55,480 Speaker 1: keeps you from the temptation of diving down that spending 203 00:08:55,559 --> 00:08:58,920 Speaker 1: rabbit hole. So obviously, if you're making a specific choice 204 00:08:59,120 --> 00:09:01,080 Speaker 1: based on something that you really love that does cost 205 00:09:01,160 --> 00:09:03,400 Speaker 1: money and if fits into your budget, then that's great. 206 00:09:03,480 --> 00:09:05,160 Speaker 1: But it's also important to mention that there are a 207 00:09:05,240 --> 00:09:07,439 Speaker 1: lot of killer hobbies out there that are really fun 208 00:09:07,600 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 1: that are free and cheap. Jell. Another way to say 209 00:09:09,800 --> 00:09:12,800 Speaker 1: that is essentially we're curating our tastes, right, Like there 210 00:09:12,800 --> 00:09:14,520 Speaker 1: are certain hobbies, certain things that we could pick up 211 00:09:14,520 --> 00:09:17,199 Speaker 1: that are really expensive, like you said golf or flying 212 00:09:17,200 --> 00:09:19,439 Speaker 1: airplanes that that could be really expensive. But if that's 213 00:09:19,480 --> 00:09:22,520 Speaker 1: your passion and that gives you an incredible fulfillment, then 214 00:09:22,559 --> 00:09:25,720 Speaker 1: that's awesome. But just don't fall into something like that 215 00:09:26,040 --> 00:09:28,440 Speaker 1: almost without even thinking about it, because you could spend 216 00:09:28,440 --> 00:09:30,920 Speaker 1: a lot of money towards those pursuits. And so part 217 00:09:30,920 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 1: of the reason why we're saying hobbies as well and 218 00:09:33,120 --> 00:09:36,560 Speaker 1: and less entertainment is for me at least, entertainment has 219 00:09:36,559 --> 00:09:40,920 Speaker 1: sort of this connotation of like passive consumption, where without 220 00:09:40,920 --> 00:09:43,680 Speaker 1: even really thinking about it, we're just being fed fun stuff, 221 00:09:43,800 --> 00:09:47,880 Speaker 1: right Versus a hobby is typically something that you pursue, 222 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,680 Speaker 1: and when you pursue something, there's engagement there. And I 223 00:09:50,720 --> 00:09:53,360 Speaker 1: know that anytime I'm more engaged in something that I'm doing, 224 00:09:53,400 --> 00:09:56,400 Speaker 1: I literally feel more personal fulfillments and I end up 225 00:09:56,400 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 1: being a better person. And there's just lots of other 226 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: benefits that come with these hot bays that we can 227 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: pursue versus just lumping this all into maybe what we'd 228 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:05,800 Speaker 1: call entertainment. Yeah, I mean, you and I we like 229 00:10:05,840 --> 00:10:08,720 Speaker 1: to go to soccer games and I would say that 230 00:10:08,840 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 1: soccer games are not a hobby. Those are entertainment and 231 00:10:12,400 --> 00:10:14,400 Speaker 1: it's cool. I enjoy spending my money in that way. 232 00:10:14,440 --> 00:10:16,680 Speaker 1: I like one of soccer games. It's super fun. But 233 00:10:16,679 --> 00:10:18,559 Speaker 1: but it's not a hobby. And so yeah, like we're 234 00:10:18,559 --> 00:10:21,600 Speaker 1: talking about hobbies slash core pursuits in general, and I 235 00:10:21,640 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: don't think following a sports team or anything like that 236 00:10:23,440 --> 00:10:25,720 Speaker 1: would necessarily make that cut. Yeah, well, let me jump 237 00:10:25,720 --> 00:10:28,000 Speaker 1: on that example. Let's say you're part of a supporters 238 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:30,440 Speaker 1: group though, and every week you're part of the design 239 00:10:30,440 --> 00:10:32,360 Speaker 1: team that put together the t pos, like the giant 240 00:10:32,360 --> 00:10:34,320 Speaker 1: banners that they raised up at the beginning of the match. 241 00:10:34,760 --> 00:10:36,760 Speaker 1: That's more of a hobby, Like, that's that's you're kind 242 00:10:36,760 --> 00:10:39,040 Speaker 1: of providing value to the team. There, there's something else 243 00:10:39,040 --> 00:10:41,920 Speaker 1: going on there versus just sort of passively sitting back 244 00:10:41,920 --> 00:10:44,400 Speaker 1: and kind of consuming the match. Right. Yeah, there's a 245 00:10:44,400 --> 00:10:46,680 Speaker 1: community aspect of that as well, exactly, And we're gonna 246 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:48,959 Speaker 1: get to some of those benefits later on in the show. Yeah, 247 00:10:49,000 --> 00:10:52,080 Speaker 1: And while we're talking about the price disparity in hobbies 248 00:10:52,400 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: in particular, if you're hearing this right now and you're like, 249 00:10:54,679 --> 00:10:56,600 Speaker 1: I do need to find a new hobby. Why, I 250 00:10:56,600 --> 00:10:59,400 Speaker 1: would suggest looking at the costs of that hobby and 251 00:10:59,440 --> 00:11:01,760 Speaker 1: trying to find something that is inexpensive. If you're already 252 00:11:01,800 --> 00:11:04,520 Speaker 1: locked into a hobby that is pretty expensive but you 253 00:11:04,559 --> 00:11:07,199 Speaker 1: love it, that's cool. But this is also a chance, 254 00:11:07,240 --> 00:11:08,920 Speaker 1: I think for some people who have been doing a 255 00:11:08,960 --> 00:11:12,319 Speaker 1: hobby but don't necessarily find it terribly fulfilling, to ditch 256 00:11:12,360 --> 00:11:14,959 Speaker 1: the expensive hobby and find something new. Yeah, Joel, and 257 00:11:14,960 --> 00:11:16,840 Speaker 1: we're talking about money the cost of hobbies, right, but 258 00:11:16,880 --> 00:11:19,520 Speaker 1: there are other factors that are worth considering. I'm thinking 259 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: of certain hobbies that just might take up a massive 260 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:24,520 Speaker 1: amount of time, and that's fine. I'm thinking of maybe 261 00:11:24,600 --> 00:11:26,360 Speaker 1: if you like to go voting or something like that, 262 00:11:26,480 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: probably especially good, by the way, if it takes up 263 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,280 Speaker 1: a lot of time if you are retired, yeah, exactly, 264 00:11:30,320 --> 00:11:32,280 Speaker 1: you've got lots of time then. But either way, you 265 00:11:32,280 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 1: just need to make sure that you are intentionally doing 266 00:11:34,160 --> 00:11:36,360 Speaker 1: that because you love it. Brings you an incredible amount 267 00:11:36,360 --> 00:11:38,640 Speaker 1: of fulfillment, because not only will something like that take 268 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:40,800 Speaker 1: up a lot of your money your funds, but also 269 00:11:40,840 --> 00:11:42,480 Speaker 1: a lot of your time as well. And if it's 270 00:11:42,520 --> 00:11:45,840 Speaker 1: something that you're only kind of halfway excited about. Well, 271 00:11:45,840 --> 00:11:48,440 Speaker 1: it may not be a hobby worth pursuing. Right, There's 272 00:11:48,440 --> 00:11:50,560 Speaker 1: also a lot of other factors to consider, Right, there's 273 00:11:50,559 --> 00:11:52,840 Speaker 1: a lot of other areas in our life where our 274 00:11:52,880 --> 00:11:55,160 Speaker 1: hobbies can come into play. And we're gonna talk about 275 00:11:55,200 --> 00:12:06,880 Speaker 1: those right after the break. All right, Matt, we're back. 276 00:12:06,880 --> 00:12:09,880 Speaker 1: We're talking about hobbies, which is a fun little topic here. 277 00:12:10,000 --> 00:12:12,120 Speaker 1: Did you ever go to a HobbyTown USA? Did you 278 00:12:12,120 --> 00:12:13,680 Speaker 1: have one of those when you're growing up? But we 279 00:12:13,720 --> 00:12:15,720 Speaker 1: totally did. Yeah, And you know what, I always go 280 00:12:15,720 --> 00:12:17,320 Speaker 1: in there and by like the twenty one side of dice. 281 00:12:17,880 --> 00:12:21,439 Speaker 1: I never got those, but I always wanted. No, I wasn't. 282 00:12:21,600 --> 00:12:24,319 Speaker 1: I truly wasn't, But I did want the car kits 283 00:12:24,559 --> 00:12:26,640 Speaker 1: where you could like glue all these pieces of a 284 00:12:26,640 --> 00:12:28,760 Speaker 1: car together, and and I but I honestly I never 285 00:12:28,760 --> 00:12:30,679 Speaker 1: did one successfully. I just don't think I had the 286 00:12:30,720 --> 00:12:32,960 Speaker 1: attention to detail. Yeah, with those, I always just wanted 287 00:12:33,000 --> 00:12:34,960 Speaker 1: to kind of drive it after the facts. It's like, okay, cool, 288 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:37,319 Speaker 1: does it run? Where's the remote? It's like, no, it 289 00:12:37,400 --> 00:12:38,720 Speaker 1: kind of just sits there on the shelf. No. I 290 00:12:38,760 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 1: was so much better with the remote control cars. It's 291 00:12:40,760 --> 00:12:42,760 Speaker 1: so much more fun, Like let's actually skip the building. 292 00:12:43,080 --> 00:12:45,600 Speaker 1: It looks cool the finished product, but I don't have 293 00:12:45,640 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 1: the concentration actually keep going on it. So yeah, remote 294 00:12:48,160 --> 00:12:51,040 Speaker 1: control cars definitely more of my alley, more fun, for sure. 295 00:12:51,640 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: But we want to talk about the additional, potentially secret 296 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:57,080 Speaker 1: benefits of hobbies that most people don't really think about. 297 00:12:57,480 --> 00:13:00,520 Speaker 1: Usually it's something that you're naturally attracted to, or something 298 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: that a friend maybe got you into, but we don't 299 00:13:02,679 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: think about the power that hobbies have in our lives. 300 00:13:06,120 --> 00:13:08,000 Speaker 1: And so, of course Money Show, we gotta talk about 301 00:13:08,000 --> 00:13:11,520 Speaker 1: the money factor that goes along with hobbies. Hobbies can 302 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: end up earning you extra money. It can turn into 303 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:17,400 Speaker 1: a side hustle or potentially even a full time gig sometimes, 304 00:13:17,400 --> 00:13:21,000 Speaker 1: So in my mind, that's not usually the purpose of 305 00:13:21,040 --> 00:13:24,240 Speaker 1: a hobby, but sometimes you find that you're so into 306 00:13:24,320 --> 00:13:27,080 Speaker 1: it and you become so good at something exactly even 307 00:13:27,400 --> 00:13:30,920 Speaker 1: that it turns into more and you can actually make 308 00:13:30,960 --> 00:13:34,080 Speaker 1: sign income or a full time living based on a 309 00:13:34,120 --> 00:13:36,120 Speaker 1: hobby that you pursued, which is which is cool. Yeah, 310 00:13:36,160 --> 00:13:38,840 Speaker 1: I completely agree. You can't underestimate the power. You said 311 00:13:38,840 --> 00:13:40,560 Speaker 1: the power of hobbies a second ago, right, But you 312 00:13:40,559 --> 00:13:43,280 Speaker 1: can't underestimate the power that a hobby might have down 313 00:13:43,320 --> 00:13:45,880 Speaker 1: the road when it comes to generating money. However, I 314 00:13:45,880 --> 00:13:47,640 Speaker 1: think what you said is true. I think we need 315 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:50,079 Speaker 1: to be careful when it comes to hobbies because really 316 00:13:50,080 --> 00:13:53,120 Speaker 1: they should be I think something different than ways that 317 00:13:53,120 --> 00:13:56,120 Speaker 1: we're able to make money, because it's something that we 318 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: should be pursuing because we love it, well, you know, 319 00:13:58,240 --> 00:14:00,240 Speaker 1: we kind of have a passion for it. And if 320 00:14:00,240 --> 00:14:02,439 Speaker 1: we start immediately looking to ways that maybe we can 321 00:14:02,440 --> 00:14:05,800 Speaker 1: monetize that hobby, then you know, maybe it's not truly 322 00:14:06,040 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 1: a hobby that you're trying to build a side. Probably, Yeah, exactly. Again, 323 00:14:10,280 --> 00:14:12,320 Speaker 1: it's another fine thing we've talked about on the show before. 324 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,280 Speaker 1: But but hobbies, this core pursuit kind of mentality that 325 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,920 Speaker 1: we're getting into it is altogether different. And this is 326 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,360 Speaker 1: something you're pursuing most of the time purely for the 327 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:25,120 Speaker 1: pleasure of doing this task, of of of partaking in 328 00:14:25,160 --> 00:14:28,720 Speaker 1: this hobby. Sometimes it leads to more though, just for funzies. 329 00:14:28,840 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: Right exactly makes me think of the old guys you 330 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:33,680 Speaker 1: see on the beach with the metal detectors, and I 331 00:14:33,840 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: still totally want one of those, because not because I 332 00:14:37,040 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: know I'm gonna make a killing, But because I just 333 00:14:38,920 --> 00:14:40,680 Speaker 1: think it's a fun way to spend time at the beach. 334 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,160 Speaker 1: Why not have the little Scooper and you got your 335 00:14:43,160 --> 00:14:45,080 Speaker 1: metal detector with the headphones then so you can kind 336 00:14:45,080 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 1: of hear a beep or whatever over the waves, you know, 337 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,800 Speaker 1: like who needs crashing waves and the beautiful sound of 338 00:14:49,800 --> 00:14:52,680 Speaker 1: seagulls When you could hear these beeps to that, you 339 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:55,440 Speaker 1: were all the changes right, Honestly, I totally see you 340 00:14:55,440 --> 00:14:57,000 Speaker 1: doing that your old age. I've already got the hat. 341 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:59,600 Speaker 1: You've seen my beach. Have a hat for it. It's massive, 342 00:14:59,680 --> 00:15:02,000 Speaker 1: keeps the son from burning muskin. You're half the way there, 343 00:15:02,000 --> 00:15:03,600 Speaker 1: and now I know what to get cheap for Christmas. 344 00:15:04,120 --> 00:15:05,760 Speaker 1: If you get me one of those, man, I'll totally 345 00:15:05,840 --> 00:15:08,760 Speaker 1: use it proudly. So one of the most unique hobbies 346 00:15:08,800 --> 00:15:10,520 Speaker 1: that I have heard of recently. Matt I heard about 347 00:15:10,520 --> 00:15:12,960 Speaker 1: in an interview with an actor Danny McBride. Do you 348 00:15:12,960 --> 00:15:15,400 Speaker 1: know who he is? I do not, Okay, So he's 349 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,320 Speaker 1: been in a couple of awesome shows and movies. He's 350 00:15:18,520 --> 00:15:21,640 Speaker 1: really funny and pretty out there, but he uh. He's 351 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: telling the story that he recently moved to Charleston, South Carolina. 352 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 1: Good place abnormal for actors, but I think that's so 353 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,200 Speaker 1: cool that he did it anyway, Like, that's awesome. And 354 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: he was trying to meet new friends, and so he 355 00:15:31,320 --> 00:15:33,600 Speaker 1: was hanging out with dads of kids that his kids 356 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:36,120 Speaker 1: were friends with, preschool dads or whatever. Yeah, and this 357 00:15:36,200 --> 00:15:38,880 Speaker 1: one dad took him on this excursion to find sharks teeth, 358 00:15:39,720 --> 00:15:42,480 Speaker 1: but not just like sharks teeth on the beach, prehistoric 359 00:15:42,600 --> 00:15:46,040 Speaker 1: sharks teeth in these sand corries or something that you 360 00:15:46,080 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: have to break into. And so that's like his new 361 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:52,000 Speaker 1: hobby is jumping fences finding these like nine inch long 362 00:15:52,240 --> 00:15:54,880 Speaker 1: prehistoric sharks teeth, and he's just super into it. So 363 00:15:54,920 --> 00:15:56,720 Speaker 1: I just thought that was interesting. It's pretty cool. Hobbies 364 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,960 Speaker 1: can run the gamut. Yeah. Absolutely, That's definitely one that 365 00:15:59,080 --> 00:16:01,880 Speaker 1: may not necessarily make you money immediately, but I'm guessing 366 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 1: those teeth are going to be worth money right in 367 00:16:03,720 --> 00:16:05,680 Speaker 1: the long term, as long as you don't get busted 368 00:16:05,680 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: and sent to jailing, you know. Yeah, so true. So hobbies, 369 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:11,320 Speaker 1: they may not always make you money. Oftentimes they probably won't, 370 00:16:11,640 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: but at the very least hobbies could save you money. 371 00:16:14,920 --> 00:16:17,880 Speaker 1: I'm thinking about doing things like gardening, even working in 372 00:16:17,920 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 1: the yard, a lot of folks that sounds not like 373 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:23,200 Speaker 1: a hobby. It just sounds like yard work. But personally, 374 00:16:23,320 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: I really enjoy working in the yard, whether you know, 375 00:16:25,920 --> 00:16:29,920 Speaker 1: comes to landscaping or literally cutting the grass weed eating. 376 00:16:30,160 --> 00:16:31,960 Speaker 1: I just love that feeling of accomplishment that I have 377 00:16:32,040 --> 00:16:33,600 Speaker 1: when when it's all done and it just looks so 378 00:16:33,640 --> 00:16:35,680 Speaker 1: fresh and nice, and I know that I've done that myself. 379 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:37,800 Speaker 1: But that's a way that I can save money by 380 00:16:37,880 --> 00:16:41,000 Speaker 1: not having those expenses. You're welcome to bring your passion 381 00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 1: for that hobby to my front yard anytime. See that's 382 00:16:42,920 --> 00:16:45,120 Speaker 1: the problem, though, you own that yard, and therefore I 383 00:16:45,120 --> 00:16:46,600 Speaker 1: don't want to care as much what your yard looks 384 00:16:46,640 --> 00:16:50,960 Speaker 1: may but from my yard, I like it looking nice. Understandable. 385 00:16:52,200 --> 00:16:53,960 Speaker 1: But also I'm thinking of two you and I. We 386 00:16:54,040 --> 00:16:57,000 Speaker 1: both bike, and what if we really got into bike maintenance. 387 00:16:57,000 --> 00:16:58,440 Speaker 1: There's a lot of guys that find a lot of 388 00:16:58,480 --> 00:17:01,880 Speaker 1: fulfillments in that I personally don't as much. I will 389 00:17:01,960 --> 00:17:04,760 Speaker 1: maintain my bike and I'll work on it, maybe only 390 00:17:04,880 --> 00:17:08,159 Speaker 1: to save money, but it's not something that I like doing. Right. 391 00:17:08,160 --> 00:17:09,959 Speaker 1: I don't take my bike, I don't put it up 392 00:17:09,960 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 1: on those bikes stand and start cleaning it. And tweaking 393 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,879 Speaker 1: it and you know, tightening things up that need to 394 00:17:13,880 --> 00:17:16,280 Speaker 1: be tightened up. Although I should. Yeah, that's something I 395 00:17:16,280 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 1: would like to get into, yes, because I feel like 396 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:20,920 Speaker 1: I'm not terribly good with my hands. But it's something 397 00:17:20,920 --> 00:17:22,880 Speaker 1: that's not terribly complex. I feel like I could figure 398 00:17:22,880 --> 00:17:24,960 Speaker 1: it out pretty quickly and start to learn the ropes, 399 00:17:25,000 --> 00:17:26,639 Speaker 1: and so it is something that's on my radar. Like, 400 00:17:26,680 --> 00:17:28,560 Speaker 1: that's a good hobby maybe for me in the future 401 00:17:28,680 --> 00:17:30,760 Speaker 1: when I have a little bit more free time, while 402 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:33,240 Speaker 1: at the same time saving you money exactly, all right. 403 00:17:33,280 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 1: And another benefit of hobbies that we don't think about 404 00:17:35,640 --> 00:17:38,760 Speaker 1: all that often is the health benefits. About eight percent 405 00:17:38,800 --> 00:17:41,560 Speaker 1: of Americans just aren't active enough. If we can find 406 00:17:41,680 --> 00:17:45,040 Speaker 1: hobbies that are better for our health, it will make 407 00:17:45,119 --> 00:17:48,880 Speaker 1: us happier. Will you're not likelihood live longer, And these 408 00:17:48,920 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: hobbies will cost us less money in healthcare in the 409 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:52,960 Speaker 1: long run, yea. And in the long run, as long 410 00:17:52,960 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: as you don't kind of fall and break your ankle 411 00:17:54,400 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: when you're running for free, right Like, like, oh, I 412 00:17:56,440 --> 00:17:58,640 Speaker 1: can go running for free, but that's way better than 413 00:17:58,720 --> 00:18:01,359 Speaker 1: what a sedentary lifestyle too, health wise, Like a broken ankle, 414 00:18:01,400 --> 00:18:03,120 Speaker 1: it's totally true. It's a blip on the radar along 415 00:18:03,119 --> 00:18:04,879 Speaker 1: the way. I'll take a broken ankle once or twice 416 00:18:04,880 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: in my lifetime versus never being able to run my 417 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,159 Speaker 1: entire life and then dealing with the health consequences of 418 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:11,840 Speaker 1: that long term. Completely agree. Yeah, I've had some mix 419 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:14,119 Speaker 1: ups in my hobbies, especially in biking, you know, a 420 00:18:14,160 --> 00:18:16,399 Speaker 1: couple of crashes along the way that led to broken 421 00:18:16,400 --> 00:18:18,760 Speaker 1: bones or whatever. And you know what, I'm okay, and 422 00:18:18,800 --> 00:18:21,480 Speaker 1: I wouldn't trade it for anything, and especially the fitness component, 423 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:23,119 Speaker 1: and I've grown to love it and it's been my 424 00:18:23,200 --> 00:18:26,720 Speaker 1: primary source of fitness through the years. So yeah, have 425 00:18:26,760 --> 00:18:28,440 Speaker 1: we ever talked about how we love biking. I don't 426 00:18:28,440 --> 00:18:30,320 Speaker 1: think we have, which is do an episode should tell 427 00:18:30,320 --> 00:18:33,120 Speaker 1: people that we like biking right now. And so, aside 428 00:18:33,160 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 1: from health benefits of your physical body, there's also mental 429 00:18:36,880 --> 00:18:40,920 Speaker 1: benefits that come along with finding hobbies, finding different ways 430 00:18:40,920 --> 00:18:43,399 Speaker 1: that we can engage our brains in a way that 431 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,720 Speaker 1: is different than what we do forty plus hours a week. Man, 432 00:18:46,760 --> 00:18:49,679 Speaker 1: That is so sinking important. Those hobbies that can give 433 00:18:49,760 --> 00:18:54,560 Speaker 1: us breaks and just different interesting activities usually can stimulate 434 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 1: us mentally. What it does is that it keeps us sharp, 435 00:18:57,320 --> 00:18:59,480 Speaker 1: even just kind of reading a different book than we 436 00:18:59,520 --> 00:19:01,840 Speaker 1: normally would, or even just joining a book club is 437 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:03,439 Speaker 1: the way that we can engage your minds and make 438 00:19:03,480 --> 00:19:05,680 Speaker 1: us a more rounded person. Yeah, and and break out 439 00:19:05,680 --> 00:19:07,440 Speaker 1: of the ordinary, right that the stuff that we're used 440 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:10,520 Speaker 1: to doing hobbies can be these bright spots in the 441 00:19:10,560 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: middle of our week. And Matt, you just mentioned it's 442 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 1: different than what we do forty hours a week. I 443 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:16,359 Speaker 1: have to mention too, for the stay at home moms 444 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:18,600 Speaker 1: out there, I know your brains can turn into mush 445 00:19:18,680 --> 00:19:22,840 Speaker 1: being with children that many hours every single day. And 446 00:19:22,920 --> 00:19:24,520 Speaker 1: I know that's true for my wife at times that 447 00:19:24,600 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: when I come home, adult conversation is very welcomed. And 448 00:19:27,359 --> 00:19:29,600 Speaker 1: and then too that the hobbies that she pursues on 449 00:19:29,640 --> 00:19:32,640 Speaker 1: the side can be so helpful, even just the adult interactions. 450 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:35,480 Speaker 1: So for her, she has gotten into a book club recently, 451 00:19:35,640 --> 00:19:37,400 Speaker 1: so she enjoys just the act of reading the book 452 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,440 Speaker 1: and then meeting with adults to discuss what the book 453 00:19:40,480 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: was about, and oftentimes that's over a glass of wine. 454 00:19:43,040 --> 00:19:44,560 Speaker 1: So I just wanted to mention a little shout out 455 00:19:44,560 --> 00:19:46,080 Speaker 1: to the stay at home moms out there who who 456 00:19:46,080 --> 00:19:47,959 Speaker 1: do an awesome job, and I know it's a very 457 00:19:47,960 --> 00:19:51,280 Speaker 1: difficult task. I think thinking through and pursuing meaningful hobbies 458 00:19:51,560 --> 00:19:53,280 Speaker 1: is so important for them as well. And I know 459 00:19:53,600 --> 00:19:56,399 Speaker 1: it's much harder for for moms that are with their 460 00:19:56,480 --> 00:19:58,439 Speaker 1: kids that much of the time to actually even have 461 00:19:58,480 --> 00:20:01,000 Speaker 1: the bandwidth to think through the obvious they want to pursue. 462 00:20:01,040 --> 00:20:02,920 Speaker 1: So yeah, in that case, it's not about staying sharp, 463 00:20:03,160 --> 00:20:06,840 Speaker 1: but it's almost a matter of staying like sane, right completely. 464 00:20:06,920 --> 00:20:08,359 Speaker 1: So what you're saying is that Emily doesn't like you 465 00:20:08,400 --> 00:20:10,120 Speaker 1: coming home and then she leaves to go like babysit 466 00:20:10,280 --> 00:20:12,639 Speaker 1: or something like that, Like that's like I'm gonna go 467 00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: caretake for these other children. Definitely not, she would not 468 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:17,360 Speaker 1: be into that at all, but she loves the once 469 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,240 Speaker 1: we have though. And you know, another delightful benefit of 470 00:20:20,280 --> 00:20:22,680 Speaker 1: hobbies is just the social aspect of it, Joel. You 471 00:20:22,680 --> 00:20:24,160 Speaker 1: you kind of just touched on this a little bit 472 00:20:24,200 --> 00:20:26,159 Speaker 1: with the book club, Like there's a social aspect to it, 473 00:20:26,240 --> 00:20:29,040 Speaker 1: but just finding your people, having friend groups outside of 474 00:20:29,080 --> 00:20:32,840 Speaker 1: work and family is likely a really healthy thing to do. 475 00:20:33,080 --> 00:20:34,679 Speaker 1: That's another one of those components that we need to 476 00:20:34,720 --> 00:20:37,000 Speaker 1: incorporate in our lives in order to kind of maintain 477 00:20:37,040 --> 00:20:39,560 Speaker 1: a balanced life. So, Matt, now that we talked about 478 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,959 Speaker 1: some of the best benefits of hobbies, I gotta ask you, 479 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,840 Speaker 1: what are your favorite hobbies? And I know the aunt 480 00:20:43,880 --> 00:20:45,960 Speaker 1: farm is gonna be one of them, right well, I 481 00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:47,280 Speaker 1: knew you were in turn, the day was on me 482 00:20:47,320 --> 00:20:49,399 Speaker 1: and asked me this question. So as I've given this 483 00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:51,520 Speaker 1: more thought and I've given it some time, what I've 484 00:20:51,520 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 1: realized that I really enjoy doing is building stuff, and 485 00:20:55,040 --> 00:20:57,919 Speaker 1: not building something for money necessarily, but building something just 486 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,200 Speaker 1: because there's pure enjoyment out of being creative and out 487 00:21:01,240 --> 00:21:03,280 Speaker 1: of basically solving a problem and then being able to 488 00:21:03,280 --> 00:21:06,000 Speaker 1: step back and looking at your finished project. Just even 489 00:21:06,040 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 1: looking back to college, when I was building my first 490 00:21:07,800 --> 00:21:10,800 Speaker 1: website and dream weaver, it was something digital that I created, 491 00:21:10,800 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: but it was still something that I had poured myself 492 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:15,720 Speaker 1: into for several days. And it wasn't even for a 493 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:17,600 Speaker 1: class project. I wasn't getting paid for it, but it 494 00:21:17,680 --> 00:21:19,840 Speaker 1: was something I was just curious to learn. And I 495 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,360 Speaker 1: can see that in my life even today. We've got 496 00:21:22,359 --> 00:21:24,760 Speaker 1: the playhouse in the backyard for the girls, and it 497 00:21:24,800 --> 00:21:26,919 Speaker 1: was something that was a lot of work, and my 498 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:28,760 Speaker 1: dad and my father in law. They both helped me. 499 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:30,880 Speaker 1: But you know what, when I was working on that, 500 00:21:31,119 --> 00:21:34,360 Speaker 1: to the outsider, it might look like work, but to me, man, 501 00:21:34,440 --> 00:21:36,840 Speaker 1: it was so much freaking fun being faced with a 502 00:21:36,840 --> 00:21:39,199 Speaker 1: problem like that and finding ways to solve it. And 503 00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:40,760 Speaker 1: then of course in the end, we've got an awesome 504 00:21:40,760 --> 00:21:43,040 Speaker 1: playhouse that the girls love playing in and having this 505 00:21:43,160 --> 00:21:45,320 Speaker 1: the super cool structure. Man, I just found so much 506 00:21:45,359 --> 00:21:48,320 Speaker 1: joy and satisfaction in that. So what I guess the 507 00:21:48,359 --> 00:21:50,160 Speaker 1: reason I'm saying that is, I think sometimes it's hard 508 00:21:50,160 --> 00:21:53,920 Speaker 1: for us as individuals to pinpoint specific hobbies that we have. 509 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,640 Speaker 1: But I think if we can identify just these themes 510 00:21:56,920 --> 00:21:59,560 Speaker 1: that we find running throughout our life, maybe we can 511 00:21:59,600 --> 00:22:02,800 Speaker 1: identify my uh new hobbies a little bit easier. But 512 00:22:02,840 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: that being said, of course I like to run, I 513 00:22:05,840 --> 00:22:07,960 Speaker 1: like riding my bike, all the different things that we 514 00:22:07,960 --> 00:22:10,040 Speaker 1: we we often talk about on the show. Well, speaking 515 00:22:10,040 --> 00:22:12,560 Speaker 1: about how we identify hobby, we're gonna talk about that 516 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:15,159 Speaker 1: in just a minute. I'll quickly mentioned the hobbies that 517 00:22:15,200 --> 00:22:17,840 Speaker 1: I enjoy the most. I like biking, I like disc golf, 518 00:22:17,840 --> 00:22:19,639 Speaker 1: and I love nerdy board games like those are like 519 00:22:19,680 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: the three hobbies that I see myself pursuing. And part 520 00:22:22,720 --> 00:22:25,159 Speaker 1: of the reason I love in particular board games is 521 00:22:25,200 --> 00:22:28,200 Speaker 1: because they're very very social in nature. They're like unlimited 522 00:22:28,200 --> 00:22:30,560 Speaker 1: nerdy board games that you could partake in, and I 523 00:22:30,600 --> 00:22:32,359 Speaker 1: have so many friends that are into them that I 524 00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:34,160 Speaker 1: can fire up a text chain and get people together 525 00:22:34,200 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 1: pretty much any night of the week to play some 526 00:22:35,800 --> 00:22:38,040 Speaker 1: nerdy board games. So yeah, those are the main hobbies 527 00:22:38,080 --> 00:22:40,200 Speaker 1: that I kind of currently pursue. What about a folk 528 00:22:40,320 --> 00:22:42,200 Speaker 1: art that's that's I mean, would you consider that a hobby? 529 00:22:42,200 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: You kind of collect folk art a little bit. I 530 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: don't think of that as much of a hobby as 531 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:49,439 Speaker 1: something that's just like an interest, yeah, hobby less of 532 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:51,840 Speaker 1: an activity, you know, Like there's some people who actively 533 00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:53,719 Speaker 1: pursue art. I think you have to have a lot 534 00:22:53,720 --> 00:22:55,960 Speaker 1: of money if you're gonna do that. Yeah, yeah, And 535 00:22:56,000 --> 00:22:58,080 Speaker 1: I think, yeah, maybe someday I'll get more into the 536 00:22:58,160 --> 00:22:59,679 Speaker 1: art and it will become more of an actual like 537 00:22:59,720 --> 00:23:01,760 Speaker 1: hobby or something, But for now, it's like a side 538 00:23:01,760 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: interest that I enjoy. And so on that note of 539 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:06,240 Speaker 1: how to pick a hobby, We've got some ideas to 540 00:23:06,320 --> 00:23:08,280 Speaker 1: help you get started finding the right one for you, 541 00:23:08,400 --> 00:23:20,120 Speaker 1: and we'll get to that right after the break. All right, Joel, 542 00:23:20,119 --> 00:23:21,840 Speaker 1: we are back, and now we're going to get to 543 00:23:21,880 --> 00:23:25,679 Speaker 1: the application stage of of the episode, where hopefully, you know, 544 00:23:25,720 --> 00:23:27,200 Speaker 1: with these steps, we can help folks to kind of 545 00:23:27,280 --> 00:23:29,960 Speaker 1: narrow in on some different hobbies that they might find 546 00:23:30,280 --> 00:23:32,359 Speaker 1: fulfilling for them. And the first thing I want to 547 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:34,200 Speaker 1: suggest is that this might kind of sound a little 548 00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: old school, but looking at magazines, you know, when was 549 00:23:36,720 --> 00:23:38,000 Speaker 1: the last time you went to a bookstore and you 550 00:23:38,119 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: went down the magazine section and you saw just all 551 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:42,679 Speaker 1: the different covers of all these awesome different things that 552 00:23:42,680 --> 00:23:44,920 Speaker 1: folks could do or honestly even better yet, like your 553 00:23:44,920 --> 00:23:47,119 Speaker 1: local library, Like, don't go to the bookstore. You can 554 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: go to the library, but there's something about going into 555 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:52,119 Speaker 1: a physical space. You can see what images and what 556 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,520 Speaker 1: covers are you are you drawn to? Right? Like oftentimes 557 00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:57,000 Speaker 1: magazines they're just based around hobbies. And again this is 558 00:23:57,080 --> 00:23:58,679 Speaker 1: kind of a pretty broad but I think it can 559 00:23:58,720 --> 00:24:01,000 Speaker 1: be a helpful start if you really have no idea 560 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,919 Speaker 1: you know what you're looking to pursue at all. Oh, 561 00:24:04,040 --> 00:24:05,960 Speaker 1: that yarn on the magazine cover looks pretty I guess 562 00:24:05,960 --> 00:24:07,800 Speaker 1: I'm into knitting. Some folks are in a knitting dogar. 563 00:24:07,920 --> 00:24:10,720 Speaker 1: I know I'm not, but maybe that's because I've never 564 00:24:10,840 --> 00:24:13,080 Speaker 1: tried it all right, So maybe I gotta give it 565 00:24:13,119 --> 00:24:16,080 Speaker 1: a shot. Yeah. Another helpful exercise to help you get 566 00:24:16,119 --> 00:24:18,439 Speaker 1: started in thinking about what hobbies might be right for 567 00:24:18,480 --> 00:24:20,919 Speaker 1: you is to consider where your mind drifts to at 568 00:24:20,960 --> 00:24:24,119 Speaker 1: the end of a long vacation, when you're out of 569 00:24:24,160 --> 00:24:27,280 Speaker 1: your usual schedule and rhythm of life, what do you 570 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:30,040 Speaker 1: start to think about what excites you? Where does your 571 00:24:30,080 --> 00:24:32,840 Speaker 1: mind that's free of daily labors take you? And I 572 00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 1: think that can be an insight into what hobbies you 573 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:39,160 Speaker 1: might want to pursue. So don't shut down your vacation brain, 574 00:24:39,359 --> 00:24:40,919 Speaker 1: kind of look into it a little bit and and 575 00:24:40,920 --> 00:24:43,919 Speaker 1: see if there's something there. Another good exercise is to 576 00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,239 Speaker 1: look to your past, and what I mean by that 577 00:24:46,400 --> 00:24:49,200 Speaker 1: is to ask yourself and trying to think back figure 578 00:24:49,200 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 1: out what it was it that you did as a 579 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:53,840 Speaker 1: kid that you enjoy doing, and you can translate that 580 00:24:53,960 --> 00:24:57,000 Speaker 1: into a hobby as an adult. If as a kid 581 00:24:57,080 --> 00:24:59,439 Speaker 1: you loved running through the woods and you know, setting 582 00:24:59,480 --> 00:25:01,040 Speaker 1: up booby tra apps, which is one of the things 583 00:25:01,119 --> 00:25:05,760 Speaker 1: I enjoy doing, of course, maybe as an adult you 584 00:25:05,800 --> 00:25:07,680 Speaker 1: can still run through the woods, but maybe you're not 585 00:25:07,720 --> 00:25:11,520 Speaker 1: setting booby traps trail running. No booby exactly, trail running, 586 00:25:11,600 --> 00:25:13,840 Speaker 1: Like I love hiking. It's just one of the things that, 587 00:25:14,160 --> 00:25:16,560 Speaker 1: aside from muscle fatigue, I feel like I could really 588 00:25:16,600 --> 00:25:19,040 Speaker 1: just do without stopping, Like I can just kind of 589 00:25:19,080 --> 00:25:23,080 Speaker 1: continually explore, you know, see the wilderness, hike up different mountains, 590 00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 1: you know, like get to the top, all that kind 591 00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:26,639 Speaker 1: of stuff. I feel like that ties into maybe me 592 00:25:26,760 --> 00:25:28,879 Speaker 1: as a kid, where man, I just I love spending 593 00:25:28,920 --> 00:25:31,520 Speaker 1: tons of time outside and playing in the woods. All right, 594 00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:34,439 Speaker 1: So this makes me think. There's a comedian, Kevin Nelon 595 00:25:34,640 --> 00:25:37,359 Speaker 1: who's got a YouTube channel and it's called Hiking with 596 00:25:37,440 --> 00:25:40,040 Speaker 1: Kevin Nelon, and he goes on a different hike every 597 00:25:40,040 --> 00:25:43,200 Speaker 1: week and brings along a friend and he literally holds 598 00:25:43,280 --> 00:25:45,760 Speaker 1: a camera facing him and he has a conversation with 599 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:49,400 Speaker 1: a new, interesting, different friend every week. And I gues's 600 00:25:49,440 --> 00:25:51,720 Speaker 1: just a cool idea. So if you're into like comedians 601 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:54,240 Speaker 1: with cars basically except for it's like hiking pretty much 602 00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,159 Speaker 1: took you to a different setting whatever. Yeah, but I 603 00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:01,239 Speaker 1: love that. You can tell there's just a marriage of 604 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:04,400 Speaker 1: two things. He loves having an interesting conversation and going 605 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:06,920 Speaker 1: for a hike. So that's really cool. I appreciate that. Yeah, 606 00:26:06,920 --> 00:26:08,480 Speaker 1: that's super cool. And what is it with you? And 607 00:26:08,560 --> 00:26:10,520 Speaker 1: you're watching and listening to a lot of the comedians 608 00:26:10,520 --> 00:26:12,840 Speaker 1: these days, I guess I like comedy podcasts. I guess 609 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:16,199 Speaker 1: it's good stuff. Not the traditional ones, but but intelligent 610 00:26:16,320 --> 00:26:19,000 Speaker 1: comedians having interesting conversations. I would say so much of 611 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:22,200 Speaker 1: the time, comedians have the most interesting insights about daily life. 612 00:26:22,400 --> 00:26:24,800 Speaker 1: And another thing to to think about when you're looking 613 00:26:24,800 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: to choose a hobby for yourself is to see what 614 00:26:27,320 --> 00:26:29,320 Speaker 1: your friends are doing. What are they doing that you're 615 00:26:29,359 --> 00:26:31,840 Speaker 1: not doing, and maybe you get the invite and you 616 00:26:31,880 --> 00:26:34,680 Speaker 1: say yes next time. As opposed to know, sometimes trying 617 00:26:34,720 --> 00:26:36,720 Speaker 1: things out that you've never tried before is the perfect 618 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:38,679 Speaker 1: way to get into something you kind of have no 619 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:41,040 Speaker 1: idea whether you're into it unless you give it a shot. 620 00:26:41,480 --> 00:26:44,800 Speaker 1: Like knitting. We just talked about that, Matt, who knows, like, seriously, 621 00:26:44,960 --> 00:26:46,879 Speaker 1: I could potentially get into knitting if I gave it 622 00:26:46,920 --> 00:26:49,240 Speaker 1: a shot. And now I feel like, after saying that 623 00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:50,919 Speaker 1: out loud, I have to give it a shot. So 624 00:26:51,119 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: if anybody out there wants to teach me how to knit, 625 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,160 Speaker 1: I'm in Plus it's just a nice skill to have, right, Yeah, 626 00:26:55,200 --> 00:26:57,880 Speaker 1: will you make me an Atlanta United scarf? I certainly will. 627 00:26:58,119 --> 00:27:00,919 Speaker 1: That's gonna be. That's like the default adding item, right 628 00:27:01,000 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: is a scarf. But you can make some pretty dope 629 00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:05,480 Speaker 1: Atlanta United soccer scarves with that. Yeah. One of our friends, 630 00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:08,320 Speaker 1: actually she knits Christmas stockings and she gives them to friends. 631 00:27:08,320 --> 00:27:10,800 Speaker 1: That's her hobby. That's something she loves to do. And 632 00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,960 Speaker 1: yes she's done that for us. I totally forgot about that. 633 00:27:12,960 --> 00:27:15,480 Speaker 1: But super sweet and a very cool gift. Yeah, they're 634 00:27:15,480 --> 00:27:17,320 Speaker 1: the coolest. Every year when we break those out at 635 00:27:17,359 --> 00:27:19,240 Speaker 1: Christmas time, we're in awe of how cool they are. 636 00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:21,520 Speaker 1: And it shows that that that pursuit for her has 637 00:27:21,640 --> 00:27:24,280 Speaker 1: been something really meaningful. So you know what, maybe I'll 638 00:27:24,320 --> 00:27:25,600 Speaker 1: have her teach me how on it. And the first 639 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:28,240 Speaker 1: item up for business is your Landing United scarf. Don't worry, 640 00:27:28,240 --> 00:27:31,920 Speaker 1: thanks buddy. Okay, something else to consider. Well, As a photographer, 641 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be a little biased, but I want folks 642 00:27:33,560 --> 00:27:36,640 Speaker 1: to ask themselves, what do I take photos of my face? 643 00:27:36,760 --> 00:27:40,200 Speaker 1: A lot of selfies and so your hobby should be makeup. 644 00:27:40,280 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 1: I guess your own vanity. But no, seriously ask yourself 645 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:46,360 Speaker 1: that question, like, look at your Instagram account or look 646 00:27:46,359 --> 00:27:48,399 Speaker 1: on Facebook. What are you posting pictures of? Is it food? 647 00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,840 Speaker 1: Maybe it's architecture or landscapes, Maybe it's the different activities 648 00:27:52,000 --> 00:27:54,440 Speaker 1: that you're taking part of. I think that this can 649 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,200 Speaker 1: help you look with intention at what you maybe even 650 00:27:58,200 --> 00:28:01,199 Speaker 1: subconsciously find joy. And we say this a little jokingly, 651 00:28:01,200 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: but it kind of goes back to the Marie condo, 652 00:28:02,680 --> 00:28:04,800 Speaker 1: like what is it that you're taking photos of? Because 653 00:28:04,800 --> 00:28:06,679 Speaker 1: you know what that might be, something that's sparking enjoying 654 00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,679 Speaker 1: you and you don't even realize it, but you've got 655 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 1: sort of this record of proof of what it is 656 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,160 Speaker 1: that you actually enjoy and maybe what your next hobby 657 00:28:13,200 --> 00:28:15,480 Speaker 1: should be. Yeah, I think if we took the time 658 00:28:15,480 --> 00:28:17,600 Speaker 1: to take a picture of it, typically there was some 659 00:28:17,640 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 1: sort of meaning involved. And you know, you might be 660 00:28:19,240 --> 00:28:22,439 Speaker 1: waiting through picks of beers that you've had or I 661 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:24,639 Speaker 1: was gonna say, there's lots of pictures of beer on 662 00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:27,720 Speaker 1: my on my phone and that's because I love beer, 663 00:28:27,800 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 1: and so I think that's totally fine. That's it's kind 664 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:31,600 Speaker 1: of a hobby of mine. Like we kind of pursue 665 00:28:31,640 --> 00:28:34,119 Speaker 1: beer we traveled to breweries, but yeah, I've got pictures 666 00:28:34,119 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: of tons of other things that are super meaningful too, 667 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: So so yeah, I think that's a good thought. Another 668 00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,120 Speaker 1: question to ask is when was the last time that 669 00:28:41,240 --> 00:28:44,160 Speaker 1: time completely flew by and you forgot to eat? That 670 00:28:44,200 --> 00:28:46,800 Speaker 1: shows that you were passionate about something. Maybe you completely 671 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:49,520 Speaker 1: skipped a meal like lunch or dinner because you were 672 00:28:49,520 --> 00:28:52,080 Speaker 1: engrossed in a side pursuit. So think about that last 673 00:28:52,080 --> 00:28:55,520 Speaker 1: time where something grabbed your attention at that level, and 674 00:28:55,520 --> 00:28:57,720 Speaker 1: maybe you can find a way to pursue that. Yeah. 675 00:28:57,720 --> 00:29:00,600 Speaker 1: What coders call that is being in flow right or 676 00:29:00,640 --> 00:29:02,720 Speaker 1: like being in the zone is like the I forget 677 00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:05,240 Speaker 1: what it's like positive psychology or something like that. Flow state, 678 00:29:05,360 --> 00:29:08,640 Speaker 1: flow state. Yeah, But for me, when I think back 679 00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:12,000 Speaker 1: to activities where I completely forgot to eat and skip 680 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,000 Speaker 1: not only one, but even two meals in a day, 681 00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:16,120 Speaker 1: we're back to that example that I gave when I 682 00:29:16,160 --> 00:29:18,640 Speaker 1: was building things. When I'm so engrossed in something and 683 00:29:18,800 --> 00:29:21,640 Speaker 1: completely consumed, it's like the outside world just shuts off 684 00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:24,240 Speaker 1: and I find myself just completely just immersed in that 685 00:29:24,280 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: project to not just complete it, but just because I'm 686 00:29:27,120 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: finding enjoyment in it, And another way that you can 687 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:33,600 Speaker 1: identify a cool hobby is to consider volunteering. Not only 688 00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,800 Speaker 1: will you have the chance to meet some cool people, 689 00:29:35,920 --> 00:29:38,040 Speaker 1: but you might even get to attend some cool events 690 00:29:38,200 --> 00:29:41,000 Speaker 1: for completely free and that falls squarely on the side 691 00:29:41,080 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: of frugal hobbies. Yeah, if you volunteer at a local 692 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,040 Speaker 1: music venue, you might get to see some free shows. 693 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:50,520 Speaker 1: My favorite place to volunteer is neighborhood festivals around town. 694 00:29:50,600 --> 00:29:52,440 Speaker 1: There's always a lot of need and I always get 695 00:29:52,480 --> 00:29:54,120 Speaker 1: so much enjoyment out of that. And part of the 696 00:29:54,160 --> 00:29:56,840 Speaker 1: reason probably is because I'm doing it with other people. 697 00:29:57,200 --> 00:29:59,440 Speaker 1: And I think when you're picking a new hobby, finding 698 00:29:59,480 --> 00:30:01,760 Speaker 1: something that you can do with other people can be helpful, 699 00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:05,120 Speaker 1: even potentially people that you've never met before. So check 700 00:30:05,160 --> 00:30:07,120 Speaker 1: out a site like meetup dot com to see what 701 00:30:07,200 --> 00:30:10,520 Speaker 1: actual people are doing near where you live. Where we 702 00:30:10,560 --> 00:30:13,160 Speaker 1: live in Atlanta, there are so many interesting groups doing 703 00:30:13,160 --> 00:30:16,480 Speaker 1: different things. Some are exploring where they live, Others are 704 00:30:16,520 --> 00:30:19,360 Speaker 1: taking nature walks. There are running clubs that meet up. 705 00:30:19,720 --> 00:30:21,400 Speaker 1: So many of these things are free that are on 706 00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,040 Speaker 1: meetup dot com and the options are quite varied. And 707 00:30:24,040 --> 00:30:25,680 Speaker 1: if you don't see the thing you like, well maybe 708 00:30:25,720 --> 00:30:28,360 Speaker 1: start something and you'll attract a group of like minded folks. 709 00:30:28,440 --> 00:30:31,080 Speaker 1: I love that idea and Joel, once you've actually identified 710 00:30:31,120 --> 00:30:33,480 Speaker 1: a hobby, it's time to actually start doing it. You 711 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,000 Speaker 1: need to take action, and we would encourage folks to 712 00:30:36,000 --> 00:30:39,520 Speaker 1: start small. Don't put a significant amount of money into 713 00:30:39,560 --> 00:30:42,000 Speaker 1: something before you know it's something that you're really into. 714 00:30:42,800 --> 00:30:46,120 Speaker 1: Small bites can ensure just a greater chance of success 715 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:49,440 Speaker 1: and of building up a sustainable hobby. I'm thinking about 716 00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:52,280 Speaker 1: my life Kate. She's really into plants. But when she 717 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:55,320 Speaker 1: first started out, she started by rooting the leaves of 718 00:30:55,400 --> 00:30:58,360 Speaker 1: plants that we already had. Or in another case, she 719 00:30:58,480 --> 00:31:00,960 Speaker 1: rooted a branch that broke off of a friend's succulent. 720 00:31:01,160 --> 00:31:02,520 Speaker 1: But she was able to take that. She brought it 721 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,640 Speaker 1: home and gave it some attention and love and figured 722 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,320 Speaker 1: out how to get that thing to root. And if 723 00:31:07,320 --> 00:31:09,400 Speaker 1: you look behind you, that succulent is growing on her 724 00:31:09,400 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: counter right now. To her, she kind of feel like 725 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,440 Speaker 1: that she brought it back from the dead, and only 726 00:31:13,480 --> 00:31:16,320 Speaker 1: recently has she purchased a few indoor plants that cost 727 00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:19,120 Speaker 1: a little bit more money, even though honestly, in the 728 00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:20,960 Speaker 1: long run, she just wants to cover our entire house 729 00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,200 Speaker 1: with plants on the inside, because she's getting into house 730 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: plants now, because that's the stage of life that she's in. 731 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:28,200 Speaker 1: I think like house plants have replaced the like the 732 00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: cat lady like for what forever? It used to be like, oh, 733 00:31:30,560 --> 00:31:32,600 Speaker 1: I'm a cat lady, but now it's it's all about 734 00:31:32,600 --> 00:31:34,680 Speaker 1: house plants. Did you just throw your wife under the bus? 735 00:31:34,680 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: Did you call her a cat lady? Kinda, no lodery 736 00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 1: cat lady. No, she's she's she's a plant lady now, alright, 737 00:31:39,680 --> 00:31:42,760 Speaker 1: plant ladies are hip, dude, good to know, all right, 738 00:31:42,840 --> 00:31:46,640 Speaker 1: so and hypoallergenic. So just to let you know. The 739 00:31:46,640 --> 00:31:48,800 Speaker 1: next hobby I want to pursue is something I'm really 740 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,440 Speaker 1: interested but haven't given a shot yet. Curling. I totally 741 00:31:52,440 --> 00:31:54,880 Speaker 1: want to join an indoor curling league. Nice, do you 742 00:31:54,880 --> 00:31:56,320 Speaker 1: know what curling is? Yeah? I know what it is, 743 00:31:56,360 --> 00:31:58,360 Speaker 1: but I have no desire at all to do that. 744 00:31:58,400 --> 00:32:00,560 Speaker 1: So I'm glad maybe that you can find your little 745 00:32:00,600 --> 00:32:03,200 Speaker 1: curling group to go curling with. I certainly will. And 746 00:32:03,560 --> 00:32:06,240 Speaker 1: you know what I already know. I love table shuffle board. 747 00:32:06,600 --> 00:32:09,360 Speaker 1: I love Okay, I see the connection, right, I love 748 00:32:09,400 --> 00:32:12,320 Speaker 1: shuffle board. When I'm at the beach, like the floor shuffleboard. 749 00:32:12,360 --> 00:32:15,240 Speaker 1: Beach shuffle board. Yeah. So I have a feeling I'm 750 00:32:15,240 --> 00:32:17,280 Speaker 1: gonna like curling too. It's it's something I want to 751 00:32:17,280 --> 00:32:18,840 Speaker 1: try at some point. Well, here's the deal. I still 752 00:32:18,880 --> 00:32:20,880 Speaker 1: like biking, and if you can find a curling league 753 00:32:21,000 --> 00:32:23,440 Speaker 1: that's biking distance, I'll ride with you. I'll bike with 754 00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:25,920 Speaker 1: you to curling practice, and then I'll just about and 755 00:32:26,000 --> 00:32:28,720 Speaker 1: drink beers with my friends. There we go, right done? 756 00:32:29,920 --> 00:32:32,520 Speaker 1: All right, Joe. So, speaking of beer, let's take it 757 00:32:32,560 --> 00:32:35,120 Speaker 1: now back to our not beer for this episode, which 758 00:32:35,320 --> 00:32:38,719 Speaker 1: was a bourbon barrel peach cider from tight On Cider 759 00:32:38,760 --> 00:32:41,280 Speaker 1: Works out of Washington State. But what were your thoughts 760 00:32:41,280 --> 00:32:43,880 Speaker 1: on the sider? Yeah, siders are often either really dry 761 00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,160 Speaker 1: or really sweet, and this one was more of the 762 00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:50,040 Speaker 1: sweeter variety. Definitely sweet. Yeah, and and I think peaches too, Like, 763 00:32:50,040 --> 00:32:52,400 Speaker 1: peaches are incredibly sweet, So the fact that it's a 764 00:32:52,440 --> 00:32:55,760 Speaker 1: cider with peaches manute even sweeter. But the bourbon barrels 765 00:32:55,800 --> 00:32:57,640 Speaker 1: added a little bit of oakness and in my mind 766 00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,600 Speaker 1: pulled back on the sweetness just a little bit. So 767 00:32:59,760 --> 00:33:03,120 Speaker 1: it was isn't overwhelmingly sweet to me? I personally love peaches, 768 00:33:03,360 --> 00:33:06,040 Speaker 1: and I love like canned peaches. I love that syrupy sweetness, 769 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:08,880 Speaker 1: and so this and so this definitely wasn't that sweet, 770 00:33:09,200 --> 00:33:11,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, I really appreciated this cider. Even though ciders 771 00:33:11,560 --> 00:33:13,560 Speaker 1: not typically my jam, I thought this one was a 772 00:33:13,600 --> 00:33:15,880 Speaker 1: good one. Yeah, Joe, I really enjoyed this one as well. 773 00:33:15,920 --> 00:33:18,320 Speaker 1: I just finished my last little sip, and we recently 774 00:33:18,320 --> 00:33:21,800 Speaker 1: talked about my affinity for apple juice back in college, 775 00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,400 Speaker 1: and this certainly had some of those apple juice cidery 776 00:33:25,560 --> 00:33:27,440 Speaker 1: characteristics to it, but like you said, with a little 777 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,280 Speaker 1: bit of that peach action mixed in. Yeah, I figured 778 00:33:30,280 --> 00:33:32,800 Speaker 1: after your confession that this was gonna be right if 779 00:33:32,800 --> 00:33:34,560 Speaker 1: your alley, you thought it might actually come up. But 780 00:33:34,600 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: more than anything, I'm really looking forward to drinking more 781 00:33:36,680 --> 00:33:38,880 Speaker 1: ciders because I just haven't had a lot of siders 782 00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:40,840 Speaker 1: in my life. But I think I found myself drawn 783 00:33:40,880 --> 00:33:42,680 Speaker 1: to some of the drier ones, almost like you find 784 00:33:42,720 --> 00:33:45,320 Speaker 1: with saisons or farmhouse beers, how they kind of have 785 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:47,920 Speaker 1: that dryer quality to them. But yeah, with this one 786 00:33:47,960 --> 00:33:49,720 Speaker 1: being barrel aged, it kind of has some of those 787 00:33:49,720 --> 00:33:52,360 Speaker 1: oak canings in it to rein in that sweetness. Just 788 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:54,240 Speaker 1: like you said, I couldn't agree more. All right, Matt, 789 00:33:54,320 --> 00:33:57,080 Speaker 1: let's get into our final thoughts quickly for this episode. 790 00:33:57,280 --> 00:33:59,960 Speaker 1: I think it's important to remember that hobbies or core pursued, 791 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,000 Speaker 1: as my friend West calls them, having three, four or 792 00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,640 Speaker 1: five hobbies that are really meaningful to you actually make 793 00:34:05,720 --> 00:34:08,200 Speaker 1: you a happier person. They'll make you sane when you 794 00:34:08,239 --> 00:34:10,080 Speaker 1: finally do in a retirement, because that's one of the 795 00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:14,560 Speaker 1: major problems for retirees. But cultivating these interests now before 796 00:34:14,560 --> 00:34:17,240 Speaker 1: you hit retirement or maybe or even close to retirement 797 00:34:17,520 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: is really important, and in particular, we would steer you 798 00:34:19,880 --> 00:34:23,000 Speaker 1: towards inexpensive hobbies in pursuits. Yeah, and Jel. You know, 799 00:34:23,040 --> 00:34:25,640 Speaker 1: aside from the direction and focus that a hobby can 800 00:34:25,640 --> 00:34:28,160 Speaker 1: bring you once you do hit retirement, there are also 801 00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:30,640 Speaker 1: these sort of hidden or maybe even not so hidden 802 00:34:30,640 --> 00:34:33,960 Speaker 1: benefits that hobbies can bring you. Aside from making you 803 00:34:34,040 --> 00:34:36,760 Speaker 1: and even saving you money, hobbies can bring you physical 804 00:34:36,760 --> 00:34:39,360 Speaker 1: and mental health. There can also be massive social benefits 805 00:34:39,400 --> 00:34:41,920 Speaker 1: to pursuing these hobbies and these interests that you really 806 00:34:41,920 --> 00:34:45,239 Speaker 1: love with friends in a community who also pursue and 807 00:34:45,239 --> 00:34:47,439 Speaker 1: appreciate the same things that you do. Yeah, I love 808 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,439 Speaker 1: the connection that you can garner through hobbies to two 809 00:34:50,440 --> 00:34:53,160 Speaker 1: people and to the environment around you. I mean, hobbies 810 00:34:53,200 --> 00:34:56,279 Speaker 1: are wonderful and we should consider them more. That's gonna 811 00:34:56,280 --> 00:34:58,640 Speaker 1: do it for this episode. You can always find more 812 00:34:58,680 --> 00:35:01,200 Speaker 1: information on our website out to money dot com, And 813 00:35:01,280 --> 00:35:04,800 Speaker 1: we just published a new article about refinancing student loans, 814 00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:06,719 Speaker 1: when you should do it and how you should do 815 00:35:06,760 --> 00:35:08,400 Speaker 1: it if it is the right thing for you. So 816 00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,560 Speaker 1: go check that out. And also, if you've been listening 817 00:35:10,600 --> 00:35:12,959 Speaker 1: to this podcast and you found it helpful, we would 818 00:35:13,000 --> 00:35:15,000 Speaker 1: love it if you left us a review over at 819 00:35:15,040 --> 00:35:17,600 Speaker 1: Apple Podcast. Just head over there and maybe do us 820 00:35:17,600 --> 00:35:21,480 Speaker 1: a solid, oh favor. I don't mind asking for a 821 00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,120 Speaker 1: favor every once in a while, do me a solid. 822 00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: Do you ever say that? Uh? No, As I said that, 823 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:27,960 Speaker 1: I almost regretted it because I don't normally say that. 824 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:29,719 Speaker 1: But I'm just gonna roll with it. What what era 825 00:35:29,800 --> 00:35:31,399 Speaker 1: is that from? When did people say that it don't 826 00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:33,960 Speaker 1: be a solid? Was it? It was the old school Italians? 827 00:35:34,320 --> 00:35:35,800 Speaker 1: Was because that's what it sounds like New York in 828 00:35:35,840 --> 00:35:38,239 Speaker 1: the forties and fifties. Maybe I don't know all right, 829 00:35:38,600 --> 00:35:40,000 Speaker 1: like the West Side story, that's kind of what it 830 00:35:40,040 --> 00:35:41,360 Speaker 1: makes me think. Of like, hey, can you do me 831 00:35:41,400 --> 00:35:43,239 Speaker 1: a solid? All right, let's bring that back. We'll may 832 00:35:43,280 --> 00:35:45,560 Speaker 1: gonna happen. Oh should that be our new sign off? No? 833 00:35:45,680 --> 00:35:49,560 Speaker 1: Definitely not Yeah, definitely Joel. Until next time, Best friends Out, 834 00:35:49,640 --> 00:36:01,640 Speaker 1: Best Friends Out, m m BO