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Speaker 1: your attention. Got a pull question today, McLevin, do you
Speaker 1: want to update that? Okay, if you're JJ Watt, would
Speaker 1: you sign for the Chiefs of the Bucks for seven
Speaker 1: and a half million dollars or a team like the
Speaker 1: Titans or the Packers for fifteen million dollars? Seventy eight
Speaker 1: percent say the seven point five million and the true
Speaker 1: contender like the Chiefs. All Right, there's some rumblings over
Speaker 1: here that we we stir it up a little bit. Okay,
Speaker 1: go with the the question to day, what's better Kansas
Speaker 1: City barbecue or Houston barbecue. Are we just going to
Speaker 1: make people mad? Probably so. But Nick Wright started this.
Speaker 1: We had him last hour at this time, and he
Speaker 1: said that Houston barbecue was fraudulent, and he's all in
Speaker 1: on Kansas City barbecue. I'm more of a Memphis guy.
Speaker 1: I've had Kansas City, I've had Houston. Memphis just stood
Speaker 1: out as something different and Kansas City was great. I
Speaker 1: thought Houston was good. I don't have any problem with
Speaker 1: that Kansas City was special, but I thought Memphis was different. Yes, Paul,
Speaker 1: I like to weigh in on this because I think
Speaker 1: that clarification is in order. Kansas City has a style
Speaker 1: of barbecue and lots and lots of great barbecue restaurants.
Speaker 1: They have a style. Houston doesn't necessarily have its own
Speaker 1: unique style of barbecue, but they also have great Texas
Speaker 1: barbecue restaurants all over the place. Went to a bunch
Speaker 1: of them. I think that's a differentiation here that they're
Speaker 1: not Houston's not known as a barbecue city, even though
Speaker 1: they have great barbecue. I don't know if we cleared
Speaker 1: anything up there. We did, Okay, yea MC club. Do
Speaker 1: people get more territorial about food? That their town is
Speaker 1: known for, or their home teams, because I feel like
Speaker 1: Philly people and cheese steaks go insane. I know they
Speaker 1: go insane over the Eagles, but like, if you like
Speaker 1: say anything bad about our cheese steaks, we take it.
Speaker 1: So personally, all I know is whenever Seaton brings up
Speaker 1: In and Out Burger, he certainly hears from those in
Speaker 1: Los Angeles the best because you think In and Out
Speaker 1: Burger is overrated. Sorry, five guys is just a superior burger.
Speaker 1: I'm sorry, And these are facts I can't Yeah, MC club.
Speaker 1: What about that beans and ketchup that they call Skyline Chili?
Speaker 1: What's uh? Oh? So you're going into Cincinnatis, which I
Speaker 1: don't know. I don't even know. You're not. I'm not
Speaker 1: even biggest Skylight Jili. Care you know? White Castles and
Speaker 1: gold Star and Skyline Chili. That's what I grew up with.
Speaker 1: All right, you want to criticize it, go ahead, I
Speaker 1: don't care. I'll tell you one thing that I don't like,
Speaker 1: deep dish pizza. Now you're trolling Paulie everybody that right now? Yeah,
Speaker 1: go ahead and get some Coney Allen hot dogs. While
Speaker 1: people are very defensive in their hometown food to the
Speaker 1: point where they have no wiggle room. Mel Kiper is
Speaker 1: from Maryland and I used to work with Mel. We
Speaker 1: once went to a restaurant. We're down south somewhere, and
Speaker 1: I order crab cakes. He goes, you should be embarrassed.
Speaker 1: He goes, you should never order crab cakes outside of
Speaker 1: the state of Maryland. He was he was dead serious, goes,
Speaker 1: you should be embarrassed. Ball and he thinks they're the
Speaker 1: only good ones. Some people think that the only good barbecue.
Speaker 1: Is there a barbecue or pizza? People think New York
Speaker 1: pizza or whatever. Well, I will say New Haven pizza
Speaker 1: is the best pizza in the world. Well, I'm saying
Speaker 1: America because I'm going to guess that, you know, are
Speaker 1: Naples affiliate in Italy, that they'd probably be upset about that. Yes,
Speaker 1: you see. Is I just honestly I flared up with
Speaker 1: anger because I think Brooklyn's right there. I think they're
Speaker 1: one A and one B in pizza. Yeah, Brooklyn is
Speaker 1: more famous than New Haven nationally. People come to Brooklyn
Speaker 1: on these tour buses to eat pizza. It's why else
Speaker 1: would they Ever where you go, they like to call
Speaker 1: it New York pizza, because New York has the best pizza.
Speaker 1: No one ever says New Haven pizza. They don't have
Speaker 1: a sign like that in a North Dakota or Cleveland.
Speaker 1: Come check out our New Haven style pizza, Todd. If
Speaker 1: you weren't from New York, would you be saying that?
Speaker 1: I think I would if after after testing tasting New
Speaker 1: York pizza, I don't think there's a close second. Not Chicago,
Speaker 1: not not any of these New Haven committant you say
Speaker 1: Sparrow has great pizza, and as they have great pizza,
Speaker 1: it's good being and it's good. I actually like to say,
Speaker 1: I can't trust you with Italian food. New York has
Speaker 1: more bad pizza than good pizza. They've got great pizza places,
Speaker 1: but they've got some places that put out stuff. It
Speaker 1: is left for hours out on a counter with flies
Speaker 1: running around. Well I don't know about that. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: but but you know what, at one thirty in the morning,
Speaker 1: it probably looks pretty good. I would to defend my
Speaker 1: back row partner here. If Sabarrow is so bad, why
Speaker 1: would there be so many of them? Clearly it's probably
Speaker 1: there's millions. It must be somebody got out of business
Speaker 1: a lot time agreement. Is that your logic? I'm sort
Speaker 1: of half joy, but there must be something to Sabaro.
Speaker 1: How do they have survived all the years? I used
Speaker 1: to be in the mall eating Sabarrow and you know
Speaker 1: they're late eighties. There's a lot of fast food restaurants, Yeah,
Speaker 1: that have been open for decades. Yeah. Seton, that's a
Speaker 1: very pop music take from Andrew, like, well, everybody likes it,
Speaker 1: so it can't be bad, which that is the opposite
Speaker 1: of him. He is exactly if everybody likes it, it's
Speaker 1: the worst. I wouldn't order Sabarrow as if you put
Speaker 1: a gun to my head. But yeah, of course, what
Speaker 1: was the logic on mclovin coming up with pop music? Oh? Oh,
Speaker 1: pop pop? Nobody likes. Why is pop music so pop?
Speaker 1: And I said, well it's pop. Music is short for popular.
Speaker 1: It's a little Yogi Barratt. This place is too crowded.
Speaker 1: Nobody goes there anymore. Paul sefe and get a barbecue
Speaker 1: expert on the show. Well, you know what chatted Tregor
Speaker 1: is a barbecue expert. Oh, I don't know. I don't
Speaker 1: know if he wants to go out on a limit.
Speaker 1: I know a couple of barbecue journalists, which what a
Speaker 1: job barbecue journalist. All right, welcome to the show. Already
Speaker 1: in progress. As you can tell, been an interesting week
Speaker 1: for Tom Brady. The Bucks GM Jason Light said that
Speaker 1: the team would consider signing him to an extension. Then
Speaker 1: a report came out that Brady is going to need
Speaker 1: more than clean up surgery on his knee and might
Speaker 1: be out a little bit more. He turns forty four
Speaker 1: in August. And look, this is unchartered territory. You've had
Speaker 1: guys like Vinnie test of Ardie and Warren Moon. They
Speaker 1: made it that far. George blanda Hall of Famer, lasted
Speaker 1: till he was forty eight, but he was a backup
Speaker 1: quarterback with the Raiders, but he was their full time kicker.
Speaker 1: They're not elite like Brady. And he strolled into Tampa
Speaker 1: Bay no preseason and led them to the super Bowl.
Speaker 1: So it's easy to take for granted how difficult a
Speaker 1: task it really was. I think it's his best accomplishment
Speaker 1: in his career what he did in Tampa, doing it
Speaker 1: during the pandemic, you know, trying to get to know
Speaker 1: this team with a new coach in the NFC, and
Speaker 1: he ends up winning the Super Bowl. But you know
Speaker 1: the real issue in the offseason for Tampa Bay is
Speaker 1: the personnel issues. Those are the real challenges. But would
Speaker 1: I bet against Tom Brady? I would not. But when
Speaker 1: it comes to how long he wants to play, and
Speaker 1: I look, I was in there with probably the majority
Speaker 1: when Brady said I want to play. I'm forty five,
Speaker 1: and I thought, okay, forty five. He can't play to
Speaker 1: his forty five. I wondered if anybody would want him
Speaker 1: at that age. And now Tampa Bay is looking at
Speaker 1: an extension. Who's on the phone, Paully, Chad the smoke
Speaker 1: master from Treggers on the phone. He just got off
Speaker 1: a flight and knows this as an emergency. All right,
Speaker 1: Chad Ward from tregger and our good buddy Nick Wright
Speaker 1: was on from Fox Sports First Things First, and he
Speaker 1: said that Houston barbecue was fraudulent Kansas City as the
Speaker 1: best barbecue. Chad, you are a champion grill master. Would
Speaker 1: you like to weigh in on the barbecue discussion? That
Speaker 1: that is very that's a very strong take. Um. I
Speaker 1: think Paully would agree with me. We're both big fans
Speaker 1: of Ronnie Killions, which is right there in Houston. There's
Speaker 1: some really good Houston barbecue. Kansas City, don't get me wrong,
Speaker 1: there right there kind of you know they maybe they
Speaker 1: maybe first, but I don't think you can call it
Speaker 1: fraudulent at all. So that's that's my opinion. Okay, one
Speaker 1: type situation, Dan, Okay, where's Memphis get in there with
Speaker 1: the barbecue? For me, personally, I got to put it
Speaker 1: behind Houston and Kansas City. I mean, they've got good work.
Speaker 1: I'm not a huge dry red fan, which is what
Speaker 1: they're known for, but I think as far as quality
Speaker 1: of joints, I would even put definitely Austin probably ahead
Speaker 1: of Houston and Memphis. And that ranking what makes Kansas
Speaker 1: City barbecue the best barbecue. It's just for me, Kansas
Speaker 1: City is one of those places. One it's a home
Speaker 1: of the burnt End, which is one of my favorite,
Speaker 1: you know cuts to enjoy. And there's just so many
Speaker 1: good ones. There's Q thirty nine, there's Oklahoma Joe's, They're slaps,
Speaker 1: They're just a plethora. You could go to eight ten
Speaker 1: joints and all of them be some of the best
Speaker 1: barbecue Anybody's eight. So I think it's just a plethora
Speaker 1: of barbecue places and just their their style with you know,
Speaker 1: being heavy on the burnt ends. What is the common
Speaker 1: mistake that people make with barbecue? Common mistake people make
Speaker 1: with barbecue is they usually don't pay enough attention to
Speaker 1: internal temperature and they want to base everything off the time. Oh,
Speaker 1: it'll be done in five hours. Whereas to me, that's
Speaker 1: one of those things where every almost kind of lived
Speaker 1: a different lives. Some meats are tougher and more tender,
Speaker 1: more marbled than others. So a good instant reek thermometer
Speaker 1: and cooking to a set finished temperature is something I
Speaker 1: don't feel like enough. You know, people starting out too
Speaker 1: and they get frustrated. Chad, thanks for joining us on
Speaker 1: this very important topic. We apologize for interrupting your busy schedule.
Speaker 1: That is that is Chad from Tregger, who is a
Speaker 1: champion girl master. Thank you Chad. All right, Glad, we
Speaker 1: tracked down Chad. Chad knows is barbecue and a not
Speaker 1: go to Memphis anytime soon? Yeah, and Austin moves up there.
Speaker 1: Chad just landed in Dallas. He didn't say anything about
Speaker 1: Dallas barbecue there, although what's the steakhouse we went to
Speaker 1: in Dallas. I don't remember. There's a place in Dallas
Speaker 1: called the Pecan Lodge and it's in this kind of
Speaker 1: big building and they open and the line starts and
Speaker 1: they just keep serving until you run out. But they
Speaker 1: do a thing where you can get a plate for
Speaker 1: four platter for four people. The Pecan Lodge was legit.
Speaker 1: But there's a steakhouse in Dallas and it's then two
Speaker 1: people's names, like, it's not like PAULI we went there, Yeah,
Speaker 1: not Nick and riches its hold on. All I know
Speaker 1: is that was the real deal um wolf Kangs. When
Speaker 1: we went to Wolfgangs in Soho. That was good. Oh
Speaker 1: that's a good spot. That one was. That's one of
Speaker 1: those where you go, this is spectacular. Yeah, point, I
Speaker 1: think it was Nick and Sam's in Dallas. Yes, that's it.
Speaker 1: And I can remember because the waitress says, we have
Speaker 1: a special tonight. It's a Kobe beef steak. We only
Speaker 1: have it a couple of times, you yark, Yeah, that's good.
Speaker 1: She's just about to say the press. Hey, it wasn't.
Speaker 1: I wasn't picking up the jet. It was the best. Yes,
Speaker 1: here's why we don't have at this very often. But
Speaker 1: I saw take it. Yeah, you're pinching me out of
Speaker 1: the table getting day. Yeah, they were. They weren't the
Speaker 1: salad days. They're the steak days. Oh good days. Yeah,
Speaker 1: our salad days included steak. We don't. We don't have
Speaker 1: those anymore, we we. It's basically my credit card, yes, mclo. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The two words of Golden Corral is Ponderosa. Did you
Speaker 1: guys go to those places? Yeah? Yeah, oh yeah, I
Speaker 1: thought that's what steak was. You know, understand that my
Speaker 1: seafood was Missus Paul's fish sticks growing up, that I'd
Speaker 1: never had shrimp, cocktail, you know, calamari, any of that,
Speaker 1: you know, clams. I had Missus Paul's fish sticks. Yeah. See,
Speaker 1: like twenty years ago, maybe my buddy had moved to
Speaker 1: New York City and I had never been to a
Speaker 1: nice restaurant or like steakhouse or anything. And he and
Speaker 1: before that, no offense them, but my parents had always
Speaker 1: cooked them and they kind of like their steak well done,
Speaker 1: you know. And so my buddy takes me to Smith
Speaker 1: and Willinski's and he's just like, dude, I got it,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna order like okay, cool. So we're there hanging
Speaker 1: out and they brought out steaks, two steaks, and they
Speaker 1: were still on the like sizzle, I think there was
Speaker 1: sizzling and there was butter on them. And I was like,
Speaker 1: what is this? This is a steak. It blew my mind.
Speaker 1: I had no idea that it could be like that,
Speaker 1: didn't We go with the executives of direct TV to
Speaker 1: Smith and Willinski's yea, and somebody ordered lemon chicken, lemon
Speaker 1: pepper chicken. I did it as a joke because it
Speaker 1: was the Supertense stable. You were in the middle of
Speaker 1: a big negotiation and like everyone was sort of being
Speaker 1: macho type A executive types, and I asked the way,
Speaker 1: I'm like, tell me about the lemon pepper chicken. I
Speaker 1: never knew you did that on purpose. Oh yeah, I was.
Speaker 1: You know, I love steak. I would ever were a
Speaker 1: lemon pepper chicken. But you know those things on the menu.
Speaker 1: It was like, who, I've seen you order salmon at
Speaker 1: a steakhouse. I think, haven't you done that before? Maybe
Speaker 1: with your salad before the steak? Dan would Dan, I'll
Speaker 1: do a surf and turf. But I don't think you know,
Speaker 1: it's not just where you grew up. I don't think
Speaker 1: seafood was a big thing thirty years ago. I think
Speaker 1: it's really blown up, like people didn't know. I couldn't, yeah,
Speaker 1: I know, my family couldn't afford it, but it did.
Speaker 1: Were rich people eating seafood back And I have no
Speaker 1: idea because I didn't go where rich people were eating.
Speaker 1: None of us would know like where the rich people
Speaker 1: were eating or what they were eating. You know, we
Speaker 1: didn't belong to a country club, you know. See. I
Speaker 1: once went to a diner in New Jersey with my
Speaker 1: grandparents when I was young. I was I'm ten years old,
Speaker 1: maybe twelve or something, and one I ordered scallops at
Speaker 1: a diner, which is kind of and I just remember
Speaker 1: my grandmother being like, oh, money bags show okay, Oh
Speaker 1: you're paying for your day. You're getting a cheeseburger, okay, sorry.
Speaker 1: Or I am always amazed when lobster is on the
Speaker 1: menu at a diner. You know, it's there's something wrong
Speaker 1: with that picture where I don't know how long that
Speaker 1: guy has been in the tank there. I think, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I'll have the lobster of all the things.
Speaker 1: But you've gone into a diner and the menu is
Speaker 1: a men like It's crazy how big a menu is
Speaker 1: at a diner. There is a thought that the more items,
Speaker 1: the less good it is. You know, if it's four pages,
Speaker 1: it's not good. One. All I know is hey, seven
Speaker 1: in the morning, veal parmer Jean. Yeah, thinking about it,
Speaker 1: and you're going, who does that? It happens? I know
Speaker 1: it does it? Does it? People order that? Sometimes? Sometimes
Speaker 1: you're seven am started seven am yesterday and your clocks
Speaker 1: a little often Yeah, a seven am veal palm, let's go, Yes,
Speaker 1: we love it. But don't you have to wonder about
Speaker 1: preparation of said veal palm? Like where are they pulling
Speaker 1: this veal palm out of a thirty page venue? But
Speaker 1: I don't know how you can have all of that
Speaker 1: food be made, you know in a diner. You know,
Speaker 1: you would think that the specialty would be this is
Speaker 1: what we do, and we do this really well. Go
Speaker 1: you go into a diner and I'm always amazed, or
Speaker 1: like a cheese cake factory, pages after pages, like it's
Speaker 1: a it's a binder of all these things on the
Speaker 1: on the menu, and I go, how do they have
Speaker 1: this ready to go? And it's every possible thing in competition?
Speaker 1: Think pretty crazy Rich in California. High Rich, What do
Speaker 1: you have for me to do some credibility? I have
Speaker 1: a junior at Dayton, Ohio so University of Dayton, and
Speaker 1: but I wanted to shout out for the Santa Maria barbecue.
Speaker 1: It should be ranked in at least the top two
Speaker 1: or three. Oh thou so Santa Maria, California Barbecue. Correct. Okay,
Speaker 1: let me check on that. Paul check on Santa Maria.
Speaker 1: It must be niche because I didn't know that Santa
Speaker 1: Maria was a hot better barbecue activity. I'll look into
Speaker 1: a nominal. All right, Well, thank you Rich. I should
Speaker 1: reach out to Guy Fieri Diners, drive Ins and Dies.
Speaker 1: See what he is to say about triple D. Yeah,
Speaker 1: triple D. Yeah, he probably has a list there. All right. Uh,
Speaker 1: let me take a break here. Tim Legler will join
Speaker 1: us on loan from Mothership, and I have some interesting
Speaker 1: numbers this season on three point shooting college and the NBA.
Speaker 1: And Legler is one of the great deep shooters in
Speaker 1: NBA history, so Legs will appreciate these numbers coming up.
Speaker 1: But is this just sort of the normal downtime the
Speaker 1: teams have or a law and that's what the Lakers
Speaker 1: are going through right now or is there a bigger
Speaker 1: picture that he sees? So we'll talk to Tim Legler.
Speaker 1: John is coming up next here eighteen after the hour
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick show. All to this food, and I'm thinking
Speaker 1: about getting a built bar. What do you think, Todd,
Speaker 1: I'm all in. I don't know where you're gonna find
Speaker 1: them since I've got them all now. Well, there's a
Speaker 1: couple of boxes out there. They're not full boxes. I
Speaker 1: don't know how much longer they're going to be there.
Speaker 1: So if you've got the the erge, better go grabward.
Speaker 1: Do you know that I have a camera on every room? Oh?
Speaker 1: I know you had some cameras. Is it really everywhere? Everywhere?
Speaker 1: So I could see someone like putting in their bag, yes,
Speaker 1: leaving the backroom guys. The back room guys are sneaky
Speaker 1: because they'll walk by and they know there's a camera
Speaker 1: on in the mailroom and they'll actually try to hide
Speaker 1: the behind the camera. I saw one throw like a
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Speaker 1: got some numbers here before I get to one of
Speaker 1: the great deep shooters in NBA history, and Tim Legler
Speaker 1: on loan from the Mother's Ship. In the NBA this season,
Speaker 1: the overall three point shooting percentage just under thirty seven
Speaker 1: percent thirty one percent of all made field goals or
Speaker 1: three pointers. In college basketball Division one, the overall three
Speaker 1: point shooting percentage just under thirty four percent. Twenty nine
Speaker 1: percent of all made field goals are three pointers. And
Speaker 1: I watch college basketball. It's tough to watch because there's
Speaker 1: no the player to watch in college basketball. There's a
Speaker 1: lot of talent, but man, this is starting out in
Speaker 1: like fifth grade in sixth grade, where everybody thinks they're
Speaker 1: a deep shooter. Everybody, and it's the Steph Curry effect.
Speaker 1: Steph Curry's probably had a bigger impact on the game
Speaker 1: than any other player in history because you want to
Speaker 1: be like Mike. Nobody could be like Mike, but it
Speaker 1: feels like everybody can try to be like Steph Curry.
Speaker 1: And as a result, you've got guys shooting threes who
Speaker 1: have no business shooting threes. Tim Legler had business shooting threes,
Speaker 1: and Legs joins us. Now, what advice would you give
Speaker 1: these shooters now or maybe the coaches now, these kids
Speaker 1: who are coming up in grade school in high school
Speaker 1: that all think that's how you get to the next
Speaker 1: level by being a three point shooter. Yeah, Dan, that's
Speaker 1: that's a big challenge because you're right, I mean, this
Speaker 1: is what the NBA looks like now. I think for
Speaker 1: me and I was a three point shooter. That's how
Speaker 1: I made my living. It's a little monotonous for me
Speaker 1: to watch basketball now because it seems like that's the
Speaker 1: intent of every possession, to get a three point shot.
Speaker 1: And it was used a lot differently obviously when I
Speaker 1: played in this different air. The problem is this is
Speaker 1: actually filtered all the way down to the youth level,
Speaker 1: certainly AAU level. Go watch an AU tournament one weekend
Speaker 1: and sit there and you know, watch six eight games
Speaker 1: on the court in front of you. Pull up a
Speaker 1: chair and just take a look at what's going on.
Speaker 1: You're one hundred percent right. There's a lot of guys
Speaker 1: taking that shot because they've been empowered to do it,
Speaker 1: because people are telling everybody, the analytics say that's the
Speaker 1: way to play basketball now. And there's too many guys
Speaker 1: to me that have the ultimate green light that don't
Speaker 1: deserve it. That's that's what I see when I watched
Speaker 1: basketball now. But I was wondering about this with Magic Johnson.
Speaker 1: Magic couldn't shoot when he first came out of Michigan State.
Speaker 1: I mean, he could run an offense, he was great,
Speaker 1: wonderful passer. I wonder how the NBA would treat him
Speaker 1: if he was just coming out and he couldn't shoot
Speaker 1: the three or you know, there's probably you know, tens,
Speaker 1: twenty thirty players that you can think of that how
Speaker 1: would we view them now if they were coming out.
Speaker 1: Jason Kidd, Jason Kidd couldn't shoot. He became a good
Speaker 1: three point shooter, But how do you think basketball would
Speaker 1: have treated, you know, legend Hall of famers like that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's interesting. Well, you're talking about guys now at the
Speaker 1: very top of the food chain, right, so you're talking
Speaker 1: about magic the most unique weapon in the history of
Speaker 1: the game at that position, six nine, powerful, playing downhill,
Speaker 1: yet you know, no three points shot. But people would
Speaker 1: look at him as a weapon that you can use
Speaker 1: to set up three point shooters if he was coming
Speaker 1: into the league now, because when you combine you know,
Speaker 1: his ability to rebound at that position, his ability to
Speaker 1: guard bigger guys, because the league now is set up
Speaker 1: that way that you want a four or five man
Speaker 1: that can switch out and guard guards. That's what he
Speaker 1: would be. Yeah, but Ben Simmons like that, But Ben Simmons.
Speaker 1: But Ben Simmons is a great defender, he can get
Speaker 1: to the hoop, he's a good passer, he just can't
Speaker 1: shoot deep, and you know, we go, how can he
Speaker 1: be an All Star? So it's a very valid point
Speaker 1: as particularly when you look at Ben Simmons, because you
Speaker 1: look at him and people are still and I'm in
Speaker 1: the Philadelphia area, still I live here, so this is
Speaker 1: the team that I follow that most of my conversations
Speaker 1: with my friends and people are are about the Sixers,
Speaker 1: and specifically usually about Ben Simmons. I've kind of given
Speaker 1: up on that thought that he's going to add this.
Speaker 1: It's just not going to happen. This is what he is,
Speaker 1: and we're always going to view him as a guy
Speaker 1: as a result that's lacking this one skill that a
Speaker 1: perimeter player needs in the NBA now, which is the
Speaker 1: ability to beat you from anywhere on the floor. But
Speaker 1: you can't get the superstar status in today's game unless
Speaker 1: you have that. So I think that's a very valid
Speaker 1: point about Magic. The one thing about Magic guy will say,
Speaker 1: I think he's the type of guy that could probably
Speaker 1: add it, adapt to it a little bit better than
Speaker 1: Ben Simmons certainly has been willing to even compromise at all.
Speaker 1: I mean, he's actually regressed in terms of his willingness
Speaker 1: to look at that shot from fifteen feet much less
Speaker 1: the three point line. Could you help Lonzo Ball? I'm
Speaker 1: not saying fix, could you help Ben Simmons? Maybe not fix?
Speaker 1: No question in my mind. You know, and I know
Speaker 1: that these guys they spent money, the teams have spent money.
Speaker 1: All these guys now have shooting coaches they work out
Speaker 1: with in the summer. There's no question I've done it.
Speaker 1: I've not done it with a guy at that level
Speaker 1: in the NBA, but I've done it with countless players,
Speaker 1: and it's it's a process that you go through, and
Speaker 1: I think there is just if you can get a
Speaker 1: guy to focus on two or three things. And I
Speaker 1: think there's about maybe literally ten to twelve things that
Speaker 1: I could talk about ad nauseum what goes into it,
Speaker 1: the mechanics of it. But you can't overwhelm a guy
Speaker 1: because what's going to happen If you give someone too much.
Speaker 1: They're going to end up not having success early and
Speaker 1: they're going to go right back to their old habits
Speaker 1: because that's where they're comfortable. So you've got to break
Speaker 1: it down to two or three things. And each guy
Speaker 1: is different. It might be something different with that particular player,
Speaker 1: and I do think there's a way to break through
Speaker 1: that barrier mentally and get them to buy into two
Speaker 1: or three things from a mechanic standpoint and help guys.
Speaker 1: I don't think there's any question about it. I can
Speaker 1: sit and look. It's the one thing I've been good
Speaker 1: at in my life is doing that, and I know
Speaker 1: how to teach it. I know how to communicate it
Speaker 1: in a way that maybe they've never heard before. So yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm confident that I could do something like that. And
Speaker 1: I was always taught that you start about three feet
Speaker 1: out from the basket, just underneath, and get your form,
Speaker 1: and then back up. Make ten in a row, Make
Speaker 1: ten and a row, ten and row, ten and row.
Speaker 1: Get to the free throw line, make ten in a row,
Speaker 1: and then you get to the top of the key.
Speaker 1: And that's the progression. Just get your form, get the feel,
Speaker 1: get the release, and then you can kind of build
Speaker 1: up your confidence. But you know, you watch Lonzo Ball.
Speaker 1: He runs away from shooting free throws at the end
Speaker 1: of a game, he's got a wide open three. How
Speaker 1: did he get to that point in his career. Well,
Speaker 1: I will give him credit because when he came into
Speaker 1: the league, I had never seen any player shoot a
Speaker 1: basketball the way that he did. A right handed player
Speaker 1: releasing the ball from his left eye, suck it. I
Speaker 1: had never seen anything like it. And as a result,
Speaker 1: he's a guy with great vision. He's a good defender.
Speaker 1: So he has all these skills that help you win.
Speaker 1: But that was a big problem, and I said, well,
Speaker 1: there's no way he can ever shoot a mid range shot.
Speaker 1: How can you shoot a shot going to your right,
Speaker 1: your strong hand have to stop and bring the ball
Speaker 1: back to the area where the defender has chased you from.
Speaker 1: Can't happen. As a result, he never really takes a
Speaker 1: mid range shot. Now, I will give him credit his
Speaker 1: stroke and release. It's night and day from when he
Speaker 1: came into the league. He's now at least a viable
Speaker 1: three point shooter. He's a threat from out there, and
Speaker 1: you play against with Zion and Brandon Ingram, you're gonna
Speaker 1: have to do it. He's at it. I give him
Speaker 1: a lot of credit. He put the work in. Very
Speaker 1: few guys that have had that much success to that
Speaker 1: point in their life would be willing to put the
Speaker 1: time in. And I think that's where Ben Simmons, I
Speaker 1: think you can absolutely critique him. That's not important enough
Speaker 1: to him. So I will give Lonzo Ball credit that
Speaker 1: he's gotten it to that point. How he ever got
Speaker 1: a stroke that looked like that in the first place,
Speaker 1: that's beyond me. I don't know. How anybody along the
Speaker 1: way didn't stop that at a very young age and say,
Speaker 1: wait a second, what is this. You're the only person
Speaker 1: on earth who's ever shot a basketball that way. But
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant does start on the left side and brings
Speaker 1: it over. Now it's not as pronounced. It's not like
Speaker 1: a windshiew wiper with Lonzo ball. But you know Durant,
Speaker 1: I always tell people ball that you know, like a
Speaker 1: golf swing, don't look at everything until the point of impact,
Speaker 1: Like where are you with club and the ball? And
Speaker 1: it's the same thing when you shoot, however you get there,
Speaker 1: what does it look like when you end up releasing
Speaker 1: the shot and the great point? And Durant ends up
Speaker 1: in perfect position. He may not start, but he ends
Speaker 1: up in a perfect position. He absolutely does. And you're right,
Speaker 1: and guys are going to get it there differently. And
Speaker 1: also I will say to something to younger players, those
Speaker 1: aren't necessarily the guys you want to emulate, like like,
Speaker 1: for instance, Dirk Navsky is one of the greatest shooters
Speaker 1: in NBA history. I would never advise a player that
Speaker 1: I was working with to shoot the ball with a
Speaker 1: twenty four foot arc. I mean the distance that drk
Speaker 1: Navski's ball travels from his fingertip to the rim maybe
Speaker 1: the greatest of any player in history that was a
Speaker 1: good shooter. That means there's there's far less margin for
Speaker 1: error because of the distances traveling. But he a freak.
Speaker 1: Kevin Durant is a freak. So what you want to
Speaker 1: what I want to try to do with guys is look,
Speaker 1: regardless of what feels comfortable to you, how you're getting
Speaker 1: it up there. Bottom line is by the time you
Speaker 1: get to just before release, it should look the same
Speaker 1: with everybody if you are going to be a really
Speaker 1: good shooter. I think one of the things that I've
Speaker 1: noticed with players, they have a really difficult time getting
Speaker 1: the ball to transfer from their entire hand to their
Speaker 1: fingertips before the release, and that's a big problem that
Speaker 1: guys just never seem to be able to break through.
Speaker 1: They also have a hard time dan having their wrist
Speaker 1: and elbow lock at exactly the same time. Some guys
Speaker 1: never get the full extension, like Zion Williamson will be
Speaker 1: a great example of that, and he can make an
Speaker 1: occasional three, but can you imagine if he ever felt
Speaker 1: comfortable taking that shot with the amount of distance that
Speaker 1: people have to give him because he's so explosive. I
Speaker 1: don't know he's gonna get there because he doesn't extend
Speaker 1: his left arm. Ben Simmons is the same way. His
Speaker 1: wrist never makes it to this position. So they're little things.
Speaker 1: And look, part of it is the player. How much
Speaker 1: repetition are you willing to put into this? He's Tim
Speaker 1: Legler ESPN NBA analyst. Yet. I don't know if you
Speaker 1: knew this, but we had Ray Allen in the studio.
Speaker 1: This was I don't know, a couple of years ago,
Speaker 1: and Ray had the ball on the palm of his hand.
Speaker 1: He was just holding it, and I corrected him. I said,
Speaker 1: Ray and his look. I don't know why I did it, Tim,
Speaker 1: but I did. Here's here's maybe the greatest shooter, one
Speaker 1: of the greatest shooters. I mean, it's like critiquing Warren
Speaker 1: Buffett on investment portfolio. And I said, I said, Ray,
Speaker 1: you got the ball on your palm of your hand.
Speaker 1: And I was always taught you don't have the ball
Speaker 1: on the palm of your hand. Was I wrong to
Speaker 1: critique Ray Allen? Uh No, No, in the context that
Speaker 1: that would be a great segment that's that's hilarious. But
Speaker 1: a guy like that, like, for me, he was the
Speaker 1: greatest shooter that I had ever seen for probably about
Speaker 1: a decade until Steph Curry came along. Miss Steph Curry's
Speaker 1: taken the art of shooting to a I'm not sure
Speaker 1: it will ever be replicated. Honestly. He's a once in
Speaker 1: a lifetime players and he's you know, I do think this, Dan,
Speaker 1: I do think there's a generation of players that Steph
Speaker 1: Curry has helped, and I know the concept of the
Speaker 1: game maybe and philosophically, offensively it's hurt some levels and
Speaker 1: some teams and some players. It's also helped guys because
Speaker 1: there's a whole lot of kids out there. They looked
Speaker 1: at a guy that's six foot four, slightly built, not
Speaker 1: a lot of muscle definition, and he simply made himself
Speaker 1: this good through skill repetition. Because I think Steph Curry
Speaker 1: might be the greatest combination of the three skill elements
Speaker 1: of the game past dribble shoot that we've ever seen.
Speaker 1: I think he is the highest combination of those three things.
Speaker 1: And it was simply done through repetition. And you don't
Speaker 1: he didn't have to be a physical freak to do it.
Speaker 1: So I think that gives some kids actual hope and
Speaker 1: it makes them go work on the game a little
Speaker 1: bit harder, which is a good thing. Are you all
Speaker 1: in on the Jazz As far as being an NBA
Speaker 1: title contender? This is not something that's a great story
Speaker 1: or a great start. I'm watching them deep dive every
Speaker 1: night again last night, perfect example. Here's what they do
Speaker 1: differently than anybody else. And I do compare them to
Speaker 1: the Warriors a little bit when when we first that
Speaker 1: splashed on the scene, We've never really seen that kind
Speaker 1: of ball movement, player movement, quick decisive reads and actions
Speaker 1: and then ending up in the hands of a great shooter.
Speaker 1: Now they don't have step and play on their team,
Speaker 1: but they've got a stable of guys that can do it.
Speaker 1: But the mentality is exactly the same. Everything is quick
Speaker 1: and decisive. It's all based off a high ball screen
Speaker 1: a dive by Gobert Favors. And now we're just going
Speaker 1: to get you to react to that because if you
Speaker 1: know they're going to score at the rim, and now
Speaker 1: we've got super high IQ players, the ball is going
Speaker 1: to start hopping around a perimeter. We're always going to
Speaker 1: make the extra pass and you're not going to catch
Speaker 1: up to the basketball. And it's a beautiful thing to
Speaker 1: watch because for me, that's a great offense. Looks like
Speaker 1: I know we were talking about the three points out
Speaker 1: and the heavy reliance on it. Well, when you get
Speaker 1: looks that good, you should play that way. Because they're
Speaker 1: making eighteen of these things at night. And you think
Speaker 1: about the Warriors Dan when Steph first flashed on the scene,
Speaker 1: we thought that was the greatest shooting team we'd ever seen.
Speaker 1: They were making thirteen at night. This team is making
Speaker 1: eighteen a game. That's how different this is. So yes,
Speaker 1: And the other thing is they defend. This isn't a
Speaker 1: one trick pony where they've got to outscore you. They
Speaker 1: will defend on nights where they're not shooting well. And
Speaker 1: I think they're legit title contender. Absolutely would not be
Speaker 1: shocked to see them, say, beat the Clippers in the
Speaker 1: second round if it ends up that way, and end
Speaker 1: up with the Lakers in the conference final. Okay, talk
Speaker 1: Laker fans off the ledge, Well, look here's the thing
Speaker 1: you have. Obviously you're missing a D and Street or
Speaker 1: that that's enormous, but here's the other thing. They're a
Speaker 1: defending champion. Go back through history defending champions. You get
Speaker 1: to mid season, there's typically going to be a foot
Speaker 1: off the gas a little bit mentality, because the freshness
Speaker 1: of the season is in your rear view mirror. And
Speaker 1: they retired because they had a short turnaround. But the
Speaker 1: adrenaline of a new year gets you going. That's gone.
Speaker 1: The playoffs are too far away. It's cold as hell
Speaker 1: anywhere you go right now to play. That's a downer.
Speaker 1: The skies are gray, you're in a rut. You're also shorthanded.
Speaker 1: It's the perfect time mentally for them to sort of
Speaker 1: be going through the motions a little bit. And that's
Speaker 1: what I see in this team. There is absolutely nothing
Speaker 1: to worry about. As long as Anthony Davis comes back
Speaker 1: healthy and stays back healthy, this team is going to
Speaker 1: the NBA Finals. Utah might have something to say about that.
Speaker 1: So I'm not as definitive on that as I was
Speaker 1: before the year. I made a joke when they added
Speaker 1: Arrow and Streeter, that's just make it a ten game
Speaker 1: season and play to play the finals, because nobody can
Speaker 1: beat that team. I don't feel as definitive about that
Speaker 1: now because of the jazz particularly, but still if you've
Speaker 1: got a d and you've got that kind of versatility
Speaker 1: with Lebron and ad and they're so unique and the
Speaker 1: problems they caused for you on both ends. For me,
Speaker 1: it's still the Lakers, so nothing to worry about. It's
Speaker 1: typical midseason. Dulgrums for defending champion. That's shorthanded. Leg's great
Speaker 1: to catch up with you again. We appreciate your time
Speaker 1: as always, always great. There. That's Tim Legler from the
Speaker 1: Mother's Ship. We'll take a break. We got some really
Speaker 1: interesting news regarding Russell Wilson. Big news. Have that for
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Speaker 1: Just saw this story on the athletic website. McLevin just
Speaker 1: brought it to my attention. Russell Wilson's camp this, according
Speaker 1: to Pro Football Focus, has approached the Seahawks about a
Speaker 1: potential trade. Now, let me give you a couple of
Speaker 1: key lines in this article by The Athletic. And this
Speaker 1: started on our show when Russ came in and he
Speaker 1: was the NFL Man of the Year, and I just
Speaker 1: started talking to about a number of times he's been sacked,
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he opened the door.
Speaker 1: I said, do you have impact? You want input? And
Speaker 1: he goes, why don't, But I'd like and then all
Speaker 1: of a sudden it opened the door. And then we
Speaker 1: started talking. And then we had a source who then
Speaker 1: was listening to that interview who got in touch with
Speaker 1: us and said, Hey, what Russ is saying is this
Speaker 1: relationship is not sustainable, that this won't continue this way.
Speaker 1: And I thought, okay, and then it kind of turned
Speaker 1: the NFL on its ear because then people thought, well,
Speaker 1: as Russ available, now what is he saying? Here is
Speaker 1: one of the key paragraphs in the article in The Athletic.
Speaker 1: Before the Thursday night game against Arizona, Wilson met with
Speaker 1: his coaches. For some time, Wilson has sought, even pushed
Speaker 1: for influence within the organization regarding scheme and personnel. In
Speaker 1: the meeting, he outlined his own ideas for how to
Speaker 1: fix the offense. His suggestions were dismissed. Multiple sources told
Speaker 1: The Athletic another reminder to Wilson that the Seahawks did
Speaker 1: not see him the same way he saw himself, as
Speaker 1: a player who had earned greater control over his situation,
Speaker 1: his future, his legacy. Russell Wilson stormed out of the room.
Speaker 1: That is just part of the article here, And I
Speaker 1: don't know if Russ once out, But according to Pro
Speaker 1: Football Focus, Russell Wilson's camp has approached the Seahawks for
Speaker 1: a potential trade, and then they go on to say
Speaker 1: potential destinations including Dolphins, Jets, Saints, and Raiders. I don't
Speaker 1: know if they're reporting anything. You know, when this started,
Speaker 1: when Russ was on our show and I wondered if
Speaker 1: he wanted out, The first team I brought up to
Speaker 1: dan Ens was the Raiders because I thought, all right, Russ,
Speaker 1: his wife Sierra, they could be the face of Vegas
Speaker 1: there and John Gruden always loves the quarterback he doesn't have.
Speaker 1: You could get Russell Wilson in there. We've always thought that,
Speaker 1: you know, Derek Carr, he's the quarterback now with the Raiders,
Speaker 1: but not necessarily for the future. I don't know if
Speaker 1: any of this comes to fruition. But I do think
Speaker 1: that there was a backstory that Russ had with Seattle.
Speaker 1: I think that's why Seattle was upset. According to my source,
Speaker 1: that Russ went public with this. He tried to do
Speaker 1: it privately. He tried to have input, and I was
Speaker 1: not given a heads up. I had no prior knowledge
Speaker 1: of Russ not having any input. And the reason why
Speaker 1: I brought it up, I was not tipped off in
Speaker 1: any way that, Hey, if you ask Russ, he's going
Speaker 1: to tell you this what I brought up. And I
Speaker 1: was trying to connect the dots. Is Russell Wilson was
Speaker 1: with his wife and the commissioner at the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: and he's being honored for the NFL Man of the
Speaker 1: Year and he's watching Tom Brady in front of him.
Speaker 1: So Tom Brady is the goat, and then you got
Speaker 1: Patrick Mahomes who is the future. And Russ is going,
Speaker 1: what am I doing? I haven't been to a conference
Speaker 1: title game in seven years? And I think he saw
Speaker 1: the NFL moving past him. I mean, when you think
Speaker 1: about it, you know we talk about quarterbacks, you now,
Speaker 1: I thought Russ was going to be the MVP last year,
Speaker 1: and he started out that way, and then something happened
Speaker 1: during the season. It felt like they relied on the
Speaker 1: the home run ball. You know, Pete Carroll still loves
Speaker 1: to run the football, play great defense, all of those things.
Speaker 1: They don't have the Legion of Boom anymore, and they
Speaker 1: don't have Marshawn Lynch. And I always thought that they
Speaker 1: relied on Russell to kind of, hey, all else fails.
Speaker 1: Just asked Russ to win the game for us. But
Speaker 1: I was wondering, if he's watching Tom Brady. Tom Brady
Speaker 1: leaves New Wing, Glynn goes to Tampa and then brings
Speaker 1: in some players Gronk, Leonard Fournette, Antonio Brown, and Russ
Speaker 1: is probably going, why is it I can't have that
Speaker 1: same kind of power. I'm younger than Tom. I'm a
Speaker 1: decade younger than Tom. I should be able to have
Speaker 1: that kind of input. Now, that's prior to the interview
Speaker 1: that we did, that he was having these concerns or
Speaker 1: issues with the Seahawks, and now you have this whatever
Speaker 1: was going on. And then my source who followed up
Speaker 1: was correct, because I had people questioning that, like, oh,
Speaker 1: where's that coming from the source that I told me
Speaker 1: that was not affiliated with Russ or the Seahawks. It
Speaker 1: was somebody who said, hey, this is real, this relationship
Speaker 1: is not sustainable in its current form. Well, I didn't
Speaker 1: know what was happening prior to and now we know.
Speaker 1: There's a whole lot more going on with Russ and
Speaker 1: the Seahawks. Yeah, mclub. Yeah, they talk a lot about
Speaker 1: the interview with you in here. There's two paragraphs to
Speaker 1: talk about you as being a result of the Super
Speaker 1: Bowl that Monday, he came on and expressed his frustration.
Speaker 1: But the other teams came from Jason lockcom for that
Speaker 1: week too that he said the Raiders, Dolphins, Saints, and
Speaker 1: Jets were among them. So this story didn't break that
Speaker 1: aspect of it. I guess lacom For had wrote a
Speaker 1: column and speculated that I don't know how short it was. Well,
Speaker 1: you might have just gauged interest there. But you know,
Speaker 1: I thought after hearing Russ and then we thought, gosh,
Speaker 1: could he get traded? And I was wondering could he
Speaker 1: get traded? And what about the Raiders? You know, if
Speaker 1: the Jets are in there or the Dolphins in there? Okay,
Speaker 1: Saints sort of makes me, Yeah, the Saints that I
Speaker 1: still feel like the Saints and Sean Payton waiting for
Speaker 1: Sean you know, for Drew Brees to retire. That I
Speaker 1: wouldn't rule out Sean Payton doing something, whether it's Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson or somebody else. But this is it's a big deal.
Speaker 1: It's a big yeah, po. Miami Dolphins have a lot
Speaker 1: of picks. They have a young quarterback on a rookie
Speaker 1: contract that they're not possibly not sold on. That seems
Speaker 1: like a destination that Russ and Missus Russ would like. Yeah,
Speaker 1: generally a good franchise, Yeah, competitive franchise, Eli. Yeah, but
Speaker 1: you're not even the best team in your own division. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean I look at them now. They're the third
Speaker 1: best team in their division, probably behind the Rams and Niners.
Speaker 1: That's interesting, Pauli's already got tomorrow's pull question ready today.
Speaker 1: That's that's how efficient we are, that's how that's how
Speaker 1: researched we are prepared. Who will be traded before next season?
Speaker 1: Russell Wilson, Deshaun Watson both neither right? Sure? Why not? Yeah, mcclub.
Speaker 1: There's another part in here that you've talked about before
Speaker 1: that the Seahawks looked at Josh Allen and Mahomes in
Speaker 1: the drafts eight. Okay, they loved Josh Allen. I have
Speaker 1: that on great authority. They loved Josh Allen, and I
Speaker 1: think that could they have done something, they would have
Speaker 1: done something with Josh Allen. I don't know how they
Speaker 1: could have made that happen. I'm just saying. I think
Speaker 1: if you gave Seattle to do over, they would have
Speaker 1: tried to have trade Russ and then taken Josh Allen. Yeah.
Speaker 1: I think Russell Wilson ends up a saint. Oh he
Speaker 1: is a saint in our eyes in more than one Oh. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: Drew Brees retires like russ Us. Come on, yeah, Paul,
Speaker 1: is it my birthday? We talked barbecue J. J. Watt
Speaker 1: and Russell Wilson. Is there a Rush album dropping anytime soon?
Speaker 1: Is Walter Payton Beck? If only WHOA? If only Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson would change his first name to Rush Wilson. Oh,
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