WEBVTT - A Beginner’s Guide to Battling Burnout

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<v Speaker 1>LinkedIn News.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, the thing about burnout is it sneaks up on you.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember I was in a job. I was having

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<v Speaker 2>chest pains and so I went to the doctor and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm having these heart palpitations.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I having like a heart attack? Mind you? I'm

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<v Speaker 1>like the twenty five years old the job. I'm like,

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<v Speaker 1>what's happening? Is it now? Is now my time?

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<v Speaker 2>And two are like and he was like, no, You're

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<v Speaker 2>not having a heart attack. But we went down this

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<v Speaker 2>checklist and he said, I think you are exhibiting like

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<v Speaker 2>early signs of burnout.

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<v Speaker 3>From LinkedIn News and I heard podcasts. This is Let's

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<v Speaker 3>Talk offline, a show about what it takes to thrive

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<v Speaker 3>in the early years of your career without sacrificing your values,

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<v Speaker 3>sanity or a sleep.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm Gianna Prudenti and I'm Jamaie Jackson Kadsten. So when

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<v Speaker 2>you're early in your career, you are hustle in. I mean,

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<v Speaker 2>you might give me all of the assignments you want

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<v Speaker 2>me to do that presentation. Sure, you want me to

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<v Speaker 2>come into work early. Absolute Utely, you're saying yes to

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<v Speaker 2>everything because honestly, you're trying to prove to others, maybe

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<v Speaker 2>even to yourself, that you can do the job.

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<v Speaker 1>But what can that lead to? Yeah, you guessed it, burnout.

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<v Speaker 1>It's true.

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<v Speaker 3>I've been there, and so have many other gen Zers.

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<v Speaker 3>Get this. Ninety eight percent of gen Z workers have

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<v Speaker 3>battled burnout symptoms.

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<v Speaker 1>Ninety eight ninety eight.

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<v Speaker 3>Wow, I know that means it feels like you're running

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<v Speaker 3>on empty, but you keep pushing yourself to the max

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<v Speaker 3>and stressing yourself out, all at the expense of your

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<v Speaker 3>mental health. Well, we're here to tell you that it

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't have to be that way, and we're going to

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<v Speaker 3>help you prevent burnout before it's too late.

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<v Speaker 1>There's different types of burnouts. There's levels to this.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, so it's for today's conversation, we are specifically talking

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<v Speaker 2>about work burnout. So when it comes to work burnout,

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<v Speaker 2>that is the feeling of things like stress and exhaustion

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<v Speaker 2>when you think or do anything related to your job.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean you are feeling drained, you're feeling unmotivated. You

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<v Speaker 2>could also be feeling worn out physically, but I think

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<v Speaker 2>this also comes down to your emotional and mental state

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<v Speaker 2>as well. And unfortunately, the thing about burnout is if

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<v Speaker 2>you're not careful. It also can affect your job performance.

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<v Speaker 2>So there are a number of things that can contribute

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<v Speaker 2>to job burnout. I mean, so, just thinking off the

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<v Speaker 2>top of my head, it's things like having a lack

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<v Speaker 2>of control. I see this a lot, particularly when you

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<v Speaker 2>have things like layoffs or like workforces are impacted. You

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<v Speaker 2>feel like you're out of control and you want to

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<v Speaker 2>just grasp it and you don't have it having too

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<v Speaker 2>much or even.

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<v Speaker 1>Too little to do. Now.

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<v Speaker 2>Look, I love this one, gee, because we always talk

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<v Speaker 2>about being overworked, but underwork can also add to burnout too,

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<v Speaker 2>because you start wondering, am I doing enough? Am I

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<v Speaker 2>feeling fulfilled? Am I walking in my life's purpose?

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<v Speaker 1>Babe? You're twenty one? Okay? Are you relaxed? These are

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<v Speaker 1>the questions that we're thinking about. Yeah, I know, I know.

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<v Speaker 1>It keeps us up at night.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously, office conflict, right, you know, we had a whole

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<v Speaker 2>episode on work friendships, right, But what happens when that

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<v Speaker 2>friendship goes sour? Or what happens when that little booth

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<v Speaker 2>thing and the other department and yeah, y'all break up

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<v Speaker 2>and now you're grieving and you see them eating chicken

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<v Speaker 2>in the cafeteria with somebody else.

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<v Speaker 1>Who are you? Sorry? That sounds very personal.

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<v Speaker 2>Sorry anyway's not speaking from personal experience.

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<v Speaker 3>No, No, I'm not.

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<v Speaker 1>Crashing out whatsoever. A lack of support.

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<v Speaker 2>We talked about this a lot, particularly around managers and

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<v Speaker 2>co workers. Lack of support can just make you feel

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<v Speaker 2>like you're in an unsafe environment. But another one that

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<v Speaker 2>I think is so important here is personal life issues.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel this one deeply because your personal life can't

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<v Speaker 2>affect your work life. I know people like to separate,

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<v Speaker 2>and to some degree there should be a separation of

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<v Speaker 2>church and state. But the truth of the matter is

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<v Speaker 2>you're human and what's happening out there is bound to

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<v Speaker 2>also come a little bit into your office settings.

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<v Speaker 1>They bleed in.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, so you're feeling some sort of way, but you

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<v Speaker 3>kind of ignore those feelings because maybe you don't know

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<v Speaker 3>what it is, and you really want to prove yourself,

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<v Speaker 3>whether you're like starting a new job or early in

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<v Speaker 3>your career, so you're really willing to kind of put

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<v Speaker 3>your mental health aside and just like keep pushing forward,

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<v Speaker 3>and then that comes at a cost, right, So I

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<v Speaker 3>think what's important with burnout is if you're starting to

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<v Speaker 3>feel those symptoms that Jamay was explaining, you have to

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<v Speaker 3>ask yourself a few questions to kind of diagnose yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>And these are some questions that Mayo Clinics suggests asking. So, first,

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<v Speaker 3>do you question the value of your work? Do you

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<v Speaker 3>drag yourself to work and have trouble getting started? Do

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<v Speaker 3>you feel removed from work and the people you work with?

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<v Speaker 3>Do you feel a little satisfaction from the work you

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<v Speaker 3>get done? Do you doubt your skills and abilities? Do

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<v Speaker 3>you feel let down by your job? Are you experiencing

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<v Speaker 3>physical ailments like frequent headaches, stomach issues, trouble sleeping with

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<v Speaker 3>no known cause. If you're answering yes to a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of these questions, that's likely a sign that you are

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<v Speaker 3>experiencing burnout.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that there are questions that we can all

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<v Speaker 2>sort of ask ourselves at least to start the conversation.

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<v Speaker 1>So, gee, what's been your experience with burnout?

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<v Speaker 3>I experienced burnout maybe a year or so ago. I

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<v Speaker 3>feel like it kind of was this perfect storm between

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<v Speaker 3>things in my personal life and work life, and I

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<v Speaker 3>remember just feeling like just numbed out, like I was

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<v Speaker 3>super unmotivated. We work in a very creation heavy role,

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<v Speaker 3>and I was just not feeling creative whatsoever. Like the

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<v Speaker 3>idea of having to put words down on paper was

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<v Speaker 3>this exhausting task for me, and I just felt super drained.

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<v Speaker 3>I really had no energy even for social interactions in

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<v Speaker 3>or out of work. I wanted to like kind of

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<v Speaker 3>just like be by myself. I didn't have like the

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<v Speaker 3>mental capacity to take anything in. You know, everything that

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<v Speaker 3>I was good at is now such a struggle. And

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<v Speaker 3>then I started having conversations with one colleague, one of

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<v Speaker 3>my work for friends, and she really helped me kind

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<v Speaker 3>of work through it because it was the first time

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<v Speaker 3>I had experienced something like that, and when it's related

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<v Speaker 3>to your job, all of a sudden, I was like,

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<v Speaker 3>oh no, Like I was always a very like driven person,

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<v Speaker 3>always ambitious, like high functioning anxiety work, you know, like

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of I think some of my success at

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<v Speaker 3>work is just being like the type a anxious person

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<v Speaker 3>that I am, And suddenly I just wasn't that person anymore.

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<v Speaker 3>Like I was in this very self driven role, but

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<v Speaker 3>I could not get myself to get my work done,

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<v Speaker 3>and if I did, it was like blah, yeah and yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>It definitely took me a while to like work through

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<v Speaker 3>it because I didn't really know how to get out

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<v Speaker 3>of that funk.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it was.

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<v Speaker 3>It was definitely like a WHOA moment for me.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so thankful that you were able to have someone

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<v Speaker 2>who you could talk to because to your point, when

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<v Speaker 2>you do make work part of your identity and in

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<v Speaker 2>some way by being that person you know people can

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<v Speaker 2>depend on or doing good work, it feels very personal.

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<v Speaker 1>When you can't do that, it was scary.

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<v Speaker 3>I was like, okay, am I not able to do

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<v Speaker 3>my job all of a sudden, like what happened? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>And it's not like the cure for burnout is something

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<v Speaker 3>that happens overnight, and it can really feel like isolating

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<v Speaker 3>and you're like, I don't want to you know, you're

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<v Speaker 3>nervous to ask for help or to vocalize that because

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<v Speaker 3>you want to be seen as somebody who can get

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<v Speaker 3>the job done and be a high performer, especially if

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<v Speaker 3>that's a reputation you've built for yourself and now something's changed.

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<v Speaker 3>But like you were saying, your personal life really bleeds

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<v Speaker 3>into work. It's not something that you can always you know,

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<v Speaker 3>perfectly separate and have boundaries around. So you know, undoubtedly

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<v Speaker 3>it's something that many people probably will experience throughout their career. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>is it something you've experienced before?

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<v Speaker 1>Oh yeah, I am similar to you.

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<v Speaker 2>I had a really really bad burnout session like last year,

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<v Speaker 2>like to the point where I should I know what

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<v Speaker 2>was together, but I stopped creating altogether. And as someone

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<v Speaker 2>who people would say, I love your personal brand, I

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<v Speaker 2>love that you create, all of a sudden, it felt

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<v Speaker 2>like overnight, I just I walked away from everything. I

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<v Speaker 2>stopped posting on social media, I stopped creating content from

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<v Speaker 2>my website. I even stopped doing speaking events. And it's

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<v Speaker 2>like the cyclical thing because there was so much happening

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<v Speaker 2>in my personal life. My mother in law was really,

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<v Speaker 2>really sick. My husband was her caretaker, so I became

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<v Speaker 2>her caretaker and in a sense, and then she passed,

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<v Speaker 2>and it was such a moment of just like trying

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<v Speaker 2>to process grief, but like life goes on and you

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<v Speaker 2>had to keep going, and then there were transitions, and

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<v Speaker 2>so there were also like all of these things happening inside.

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<v Speaker 2>I had out so many pile ups, and you know,

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<v Speaker 2>one of the things that I think about a lot

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<v Speaker 2>is I had just also started to just let myself

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<v Speaker 2>go the girl who people say, oh, she dresses nice,

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<v Speaker 2>so she always looks. I had just stopped caring about

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<v Speaker 2>my appearance. And I think the sad thing is it's

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<v Speaker 2>like you want to yell into the void, help, help,

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<v Speaker 2>but then you're also like, but who cares?

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<v Speaker 1>And you feel that way? Is this solution? What is

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<v Speaker 1>the solution? Now?

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<v Speaker 2>What's interesting though, And you know, the things you love

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<v Speaker 2>are the things that you find ways to talk about.

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<v Speaker 2>I'll never forget. There was an instance where I had

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<v Speaker 2>gotten an opportunity as an influencer to promote a movie,

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<v Speaker 2>and so they invited me to the movie premiere and

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<v Speaker 2>so I got really excited. I got dressed up that night,

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<v Speaker 2>we went, and I walked away from that night being like,

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<v Speaker 2>this is what I need to be doing.

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<v Speaker 1>I need to be getting back into acting.

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<v Speaker 2>Like there's just something about getting back into something that

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<v Speaker 2>you absolutely love. And then that's when I started to

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<v Speaker 2>enroll in the classes and it healed me, It really did.

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<v Speaker 2>Now it's taken what a year plus for me to

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<v Speaker 2>finally be at a point where I'm creating content again.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm getting myself out there. But I would be lying

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<v Speaker 2>if I said that sometimes I approach the things that

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<v Speaker 2>I love with caution because I don't want them to

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<v Speaker 2>burn me out again. You get scarred, and you expect

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<v Speaker 2>when you are Anyone who has ever dealt, particularly with

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<v Speaker 2>depression knows you get into those spells and when you

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<v Speaker 2>are out, you are so thankful, but you're like, please, God,

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<v Speaker 2>don't let me get there again. And I think burnout

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<v Speaker 2>is one of those things.

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<v Speaker 1>Now.

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<v Speaker 2>The thing about burnout is it sneaks up on you.

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<v Speaker 2>I remember I was in a job. I was having

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<v Speaker 2>chest pains, and so I went to the doctor and

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<v Speaker 2>I was like, I'm having these heart palpitations.

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<v Speaker 1>Am I having like a heart attack? Mine?

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<v Speaker 4>You?

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<v Speaker 1>I'm like a twenty five the job. I'm like, what's happening?

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<v Speaker 1>Is it now?

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<v Speaker 2>Is now my time? And you are like and he

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<v Speaker 2>was like, no, You're not having a heart attack. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, he asked me very similar questions to what

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<v Speaker 2>you mentioned earlier. We went down this checklist, and he said,

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<v Speaker 2>I think you are exhibiting like early signs of burnout.

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<v Speaker 2>I was overworking myself. I was not giving myself a

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<v Speaker 2>work life balance. I wasn't setting boundaries a lot of things.

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<v Speaker 2>Giann and I have been talking.

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<v Speaker 1>To you all about all about the boundary and all

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<v Speaker 1>circles back to boundaries.

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<v Speaker 2>But it really was I think with some of the

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<v Speaker 2>this also goes back to millennials particularly we come from

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<v Speaker 2>like grind culture, right, like hustle culture, muscle culture. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>like nobody cares if you're tired, Like, if you're tired,

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<v Speaker 2>that means you're right exactly. Yeah, And so I had

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<v Speaker 2>to sort of unlearn and I honestly it was kind

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<v Speaker 2>of post pandemic that I learned this about slowing down

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<v Speaker 2>and taking the time to advocate for myself and set boundaries.

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<v Speaker 2>And it really has been over the last year and

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<v Speaker 2>a half where I've said I have to go even

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<v Speaker 2>a step further to make sure that I prevent the

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<v Speaker 2>burnout in the first place.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 3>I just want to give a quick shout out to

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<v Speaker 3>the amazing millennial woman in my life, including you, because

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<v Speaker 3>I feel like it's unfortunate to say that. I feel

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<v Speaker 3>like you guys experience that and now because of that,

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<v Speaker 3>you're like protecting us from that. So I feel like

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<v Speaker 3>a lot of informal mentors I have in my life

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<v Speaker 3>have said, you know, like I've been there, here's what

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<v Speaker 3>you like I want you to do to stop yourself

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<v Speaker 3>from getting to that point, or like get yourself out

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<v Speaker 3>of it when you are, because this is just not

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<v Speaker 3>not good.

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<v Speaker 1>It's worth it.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that what's so important is that you have

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<v Speaker 2>to remember, at least I like to think of it

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<v Speaker 2>as this, that everything is working out for you, like

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<v Speaker 2>everything is. And so if you really believe that, Like

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<v Speaker 2>on the surface level, we could say, oh, it's working

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<v Speaker 2>out for me, But if you're still allowing things to

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<v Speaker 2>stress you out, if you're still staying in toxic environments,

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<v Speaker 2>if you're still not pursuing the things that you're passionate about.

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<v Speaker 1>Do you really believe it?

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<v Speaker 2>If you really believe that things are working out for you,

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<v Speaker 2>that also means I don't have to stress out on

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<v Speaker 2>this job because I'm still going to get where I

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<v Speaker 2>need to get to, yeah, and wherever I need to

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<v Speaker 2>get to. You know, if you already think of everything

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<v Speaker 2>as ordained steps for you, you will be okay.

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<v Speaker 3>Easier so than benders.

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<v Speaker 4>I know.

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<v Speaker 3>I know, literally, we know how hard it can be

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<v Speaker 3>to put yourself first, especially when it comes to work.

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<v Speaker 3>But after the break, we're going to talk about ways

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<v Speaker 3>to tackle burnout and also get ahead of the problem.

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<v Speaker 3>All right, we're back talking about dealing with burnout at work.

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<v Speaker 3>Something I've been really trying to work on over the

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<v Speaker 3>last few years is putting my mental health first. And

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<v Speaker 3>that seems like, Okay, yeah, great, obviously you should be

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<v Speaker 3>doing that, but it is really hard when you're balancing

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<v Speaker 3>your job with your personal life and you know, you

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<v Speaker 3>want your performance to be great and you want to

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<v Speaker 3>do good at your job, and sometimes you sacrifice your

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<v Speaker 3>mental health for that. But we are here to tell

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<v Speaker 3>you that you got to put your mental health first

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<v Speaker 3>and because having that mindset is really going to help

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<v Speaker 3>you kind of get ahead of the problem when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes to burnout and learn. If you're going to learn

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<v Speaker 3>anything from me, it's you know, not to just go

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<v Speaker 3>on overdrive and ignore it until you crash.

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<v Speaker 1>Just think about it.

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<v Speaker 2>Do you really want the thing that you want if

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<v Speaker 2>you can't even enjoy it because you mentally aren't even there.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, and then you get to it and you're like, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>I was just like kind of black out the whole

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<v Speaker 3>journey to get here because I was just unwell, right, Yeah, Okay,

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<v Speaker 3>So like Jamay and I were saying before, I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>all of this really does come back to setting boundaries

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<v Speaker 3>around your job. And we did a whole episode about

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<v Speaker 3>how to set work boundaries a few months ago, so

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<v Speaker 3>we're not going to spend too much time talking about it,

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<v Speaker 3>but the TLDR is that setting those work boundaries is

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<v Speaker 3>going to be the first step to preventing burnout. So

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<v Speaker 3>check out that work boundaries episode if you haven't already.

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<v Speaker 3>Listen the other thing, and you kind of mentioned this

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<v Speaker 3>before when you talked about getting back into acting. When

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<v Speaker 3>you bring things into your life that give you joy,

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<v Speaker 3>it rejuvenates you. So really invest in your hobbies. I

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<v Speaker 3>think when I was dealing with burnout, my whole life

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<v Speaker 3>was work. I had nothing outside that was really an

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<v Speaker 3>outlet for me. Yeah, and you know this really gets me.

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<v Speaker 3>Everyone's always like, well do you work out? Like yes,

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<v Speaker 3>I wish I was the girlie who was working out

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<v Speaker 3>for mental health like that, ain't me, Like, I'm working

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<v Speaker 3>out because I need to with them, not as much

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<v Speaker 3>as a release as I wish.

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<v Speaker 1>It was the fact that some people do this for

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<v Speaker 1>fun runners high. It ain't real for me. It's not

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<v Speaker 1>high for me. It's not I'm on the ground, my

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<v Speaker 1>tang I'm ready.

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<v Speaker 3>But you have to remember that You're more than your job, right,

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<v Speaker 3>It's not your whole life. So you have to make

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<v Speaker 3>time outside of work for your hobbies and passions and

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<v Speaker 3>make sure that you're investing in those interests. And that

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<v Speaker 3>can really reduce the stress on the job. So yeah,

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<v Speaker 3>exercise is like one of them. If that's your release, great,

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<v Speaker 3>But doing things that just bring you joy. For me,

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<v Speaker 3>it's cooking a great meal. There's nothing I love more

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<v Speaker 3>than like coming home from a long day. Everyone stay

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<v Speaker 3>out of the kitchen like it's just me. I don't

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<v Speaker 3>need a sous chev Okay, I want to just sit there.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to chop. I want to chop all night.

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<v Speaker 3>I want to listen to the music. And I'm decompressing.

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<v Speaker 1>See. But you know what I love.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that you mentioned hobbies that don't even have

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<v Speaker 2>anything to do with work, because I think sometimes people

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<v Speaker 2>swap work for work and oh my god, and I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think you should do that, particularly if you're trying

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<v Speaker 2>to fight burnout. I think another thing that's really important

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<v Speaker 2>here is that you should seek support. Now, I think

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<v Speaker 2>that support can also happen internally here, so you can

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<v Speaker 2>also talk to your manager, you can talk to co workers,

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<v Speaker 2>particularly with the manager. Let me focus on that one first.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that you can have an honest conversation with

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<v Speaker 2>them about how you're feeling, come with solutions right also,

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<v Speaker 2>and like kind of give them a lay of the land.

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<v Speaker 2>I have done this before with managers of mine, where

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<v Speaker 2>I have said, like, I am really stressed out based

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<v Speaker 2>upon my workload. Can you just help me review everything

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<v Speaker 2>that I have and help me prioritize, like what is

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<v Speaker 2>the most important versus least? And one thing that I

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<v Speaker 2>have found is that by giving them that access, they're able.

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<v Speaker 2>A good manager is good to identify, Okay, here's what

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<v Speaker 2>I can take off of your plate, or what you

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<v Speaker 2>can outsource to somebody else. And then they're also going

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<v Speaker 2>to help you figure out because if you're like me,

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<v Speaker 2>you think everything is a level ten priority and it's not. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and that also adds to the stress, which then also

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<v Speaker 2>leads to burnout. Your co workers are also people you

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<v Speaker 2>lean on, right, Like the idea of like being able

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to someone like you did right or like

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<v Speaker 2>I do sometimes like you need that. And then also

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<v Speaker 2>obviously external friendships and so the people outside of your

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<v Speaker 2>job are gonna help remind you that this is not

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<v Speaker 2>your whole life, right, yes, because you know what, they're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna be sick of it.

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<v Speaker 1>They're gonna be like, I'm tired of you. My roommate's like,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm done with this same thing. You keep talking, all right.

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<v Speaker 2>She's gonna be like, of course you're burned out. You're

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<v Speaker 2>working twelve hour days. Let's go to halfy hour. But

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<v Speaker 2>like you need that, and then like you'd be like,

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<v Speaker 2>oh wow, this thing that I thought was this huge

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<v Speaker 2>thing in my life really is a lot smaller.

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<v Speaker 1>So you got to get outside. You have to have support.

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<v Speaker 1>Another thing.

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<v Speaker 2>It's also not a bad idea to consider taking breaks.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh yeah, when it comes to breaks, there's a couple

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<v Speaker 2>of different breaks that I need. The first break is

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<v Speaker 2>literally taking a break, go outside during your lunch break, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>or stop working while you eat. I'm guilty, much so guilty,

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<v Speaker 2>but like, seriously, give yourself a few minutes every day

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<v Speaker 2>to just ground yourself. I have to force myself to

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<v Speaker 2>go get coffee, or to get outside to get some

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<v Speaker 2>fresh air, or even just the walk to and from

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<v Speaker 2>the you know, the train stations. Those little things allow

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<v Speaker 2>you to get some more mental clarity and to just breathe, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because sometimes we're not breathing.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I've never breathing. I've never I just tried to

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<v Speaker 3>shout this in therapy. I'm always holding my breath.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, no, not good, not good.

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<v Speaker 2>But you definitely should just figure out ways to take breaks.

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<v Speaker 2>Now obviously those are the smaller ones, right, and then

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<v Speaker 2>goes back to boundaries, knowing when you're gonna clock in,

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<v Speaker 2>when you're gonna clock out, giving your weekends to yourself.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 1>Can I just say something.

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<v Speaker 3>Some people actually add calendar holds on their calendars to

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<v Speaker 3>remind themselves to break. And that's something that I want

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<v Speaker 3>to start doing too, because you can literally power through

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<v Speaker 3>the day and I'd be like, oh.

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<v Speaker 1>Guilty, Yeah that is me.

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<v Speaker 3>I got a top and that was it. Like that's

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<v Speaker 3>something I've learned from you. Because if you don't put

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<v Speaker 3>that hold, people will block.

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<v Speaker 1>It, I guess. But even when you have the whole

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<v Speaker 1>people will still oh, double book you. I'd be double tripple.

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<v Speaker 3>You gotta set that soundary and you gotta enforce it.

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like it, am I Mariah Carey. Everyone just

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<v Speaker 2>want a piece that's the same meaning. But aside of those,

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<v Speaker 2>like also another type of break that is important.

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<v Speaker 1>Here are like longer breaks.

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<v Speaker 2>Okay, So here's the thing, guys, burnout is not the

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<v Speaker 2>same as just like a stressful day in the office,

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<v Speaker 2>which is why you have to be very thoughtful and

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<v Speaker 2>intentional when you ask yourself these questions of how you're feeling,

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<v Speaker 2>keeping a diary or a log of how long this

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<v Speaker 2>has been going on, and if you can being able

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<v Speaker 2>to talk to people, and you know, gauge like, okay,

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<v Speaker 2>is this kind of becoming a bigger thing. I say

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<v Speaker 2>this because burnout is not something you solve over one weekend.

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<v Speaker 1>Staying in burnout is.

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<v Speaker 2>A long term thing, so you have to come up

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<v Speaker 2>with a long term strategy. What breaks can hopefully do

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<v Speaker 2>is if you have the opportunity to take PTO or

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<v Speaker 2>discretionary time off or whatever. If you can take time

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<v Speaker 2>off short, use that. But if you cannot, you need

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<v Speaker 2>to also start looking into resources that might allow you

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<v Speaker 2>to take additional days for mental health or even being

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<v Speaker 2>able to take longer spans of time. Now we'll have

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<v Speaker 2>it down in the show description more resources for you all.

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<v Speaker 2>But I do know that there are also mental health

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<v Speaker 2>resources that are offered by FMLA, so this can also

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<v Speaker 2>give you weeks.

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<v Speaker 1>Of time off. What's Family Medical Leave Act. I haven't

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<v Speaker 1>heard of that you.

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<v Speaker 2>Have access to it, and it's really great. I mean

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<v Speaker 2>a lot of people know FMLA for things like maternity

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<v Speaker 2>or paternity care. Also if you're out on medical leave.

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<v Speaker 2>But let me tell you this, the same way you

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<v Speaker 2>care when you have a medical procedure and you need

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<v Speaker 2>time off work, you got to take the same care

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<v Speaker 2>for your mind. Okay, So definitely make sure you check

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<v Speaker 2>out the resources and the show description. Guys, we will

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<v Speaker 2>have them out there because I don't want to misquote anything.

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<v Speaker 2>But the point is, do your research. Know that it

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<v Speaker 2>is okay to take small breaks, but if you are

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<v Speaker 2>actually getting to the point of burnout that you are

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<v Speaker 2>now like, okay, this is impacting my life, it is

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<v Speaker 2>okay to look into resources to give you longer breaks

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<v Speaker 2>of time. You should be medically and legally protected.

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<v Speaker 3>Before you mentioned seeking support from your manager, and you

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<v Speaker 3>were sharing how you've gone about that in the past,

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<v Speaker 3>and I want to talk more about that, and that

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<v Speaker 3>brings us to our listener question. So this is our

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<v Speaker 3>segment Dear Work Bestie, where we bring in questions from

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<v Speaker 3>our listeners. This week's comes from Ben in Washington.

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<v Speaker 4>Lately, there's been a lot going on at working in

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<v Speaker 4>my personal life. I'm not feeling as motivated as I

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<v Speaker 4>usually am about my job. I'm starting to feel kind

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<v Speaker 4>of overwhelmed. How do I tell my manager how feeling

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<v Speaker 4>without making them feel like I'm incapable of doing my job?

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<v Speaker 3>So if you guys listen to our Boundaries episode, you

0:21:56.200 --> 0:21:59.439
<v Speaker 3>will realize I've already cried at work, like I have

0:21:59.520 --> 0:22:02.440
<v Speaker 3>got to the point where I'm crying in my cubicle

0:22:02.600 --> 0:22:06.760
<v Speaker 3>to my manager. But of course I'm okay, thank you

0:22:06.800 --> 0:22:08.119
<v Speaker 3>to a trauma.

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<v Speaker 1>I love you though you know it's funny.

0:22:10.800 --> 0:22:14.880
<v Speaker 3>I laugh now, I laugh now, but you know there

0:22:14.880 --> 0:22:17.840
<v Speaker 3>are steps you can take to prevent that from happening. So,

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<v Speaker 3>similar to Bin, I was feeling overwhelmed and scared that

0:22:21.720 --> 0:22:24.040
<v Speaker 3>my performance was slipping. So I wanted to have that

0:22:24.080 --> 0:22:28.199
<v Speaker 3>conversation with my manager. And I think if you're you

0:22:28.320 --> 0:22:30.879
<v Speaker 3>have a good manager, they don't want you to fail

0:22:31.240 --> 0:22:33.879
<v Speaker 3>if you feel like you have a trusted relationship with

0:22:34.000 --> 0:22:37.760
<v Speaker 3>that person, right And I think it's going into that conversation,

0:22:38.000 --> 0:22:40.879
<v Speaker 3>like you were saying before, being open and just saying

0:22:41.359 --> 0:22:45.080
<v Speaker 3>I'm feeling overwhelmed right now, and here's what's on my plate,

0:22:45.880 --> 0:22:48.760
<v Speaker 3>And you can literally say I don't want the quality

0:22:48.800 --> 0:22:50.639
<v Speaker 3>of my work to slip. I know I can do

0:22:50.720 --> 0:22:53.000
<v Speaker 3>a good job, but I feel like I'm going to

0:22:53.080 --> 0:22:56.040
<v Speaker 3>get to the point where I'm unable to maintain the

0:22:56.119 --> 0:22:58.760
<v Speaker 3>quality of my work because of how I'm feeling. And

0:22:58.800 --> 0:23:01.320
<v Speaker 3>so yeah, I think vulnerable really wins here. But of

0:23:01.359 --> 0:23:04.919
<v Speaker 3>course not everyone has that relationship with their manager. But

0:23:05.080 --> 0:23:07.720
<v Speaker 3>I do think I think you can kind of come

0:23:07.760 --> 0:23:11.040
<v Speaker 3>in with the problem solution approach of saying like, hey,

0:23:11.240 --> 0:23:14.399
<v Speaker 3>here's what you know I think I can be doing

0:23:14.520 --> 0:23:18.240
<v Speaker 3>to kind of like lessen this overwhelm what do you

0:23:18.280 --> 0:23:21.960
<v Speaker 3>think about this? Right? And I think your manager will

0:23:22.000 --> 0:23:24.720
<v Speaker 3>be like, oh, okay, great or no, actually, why don't we

0:23:24.800 --> 0:23:26.760
<v Speaker 3>try this? But you kind of need to bring them

0:23:26.800 --> 0:23:29.240
<v Speaker 3>in as a partner either way to kind of figure

0:23:29.240 --> 0:23:30.360
<v Speaker 3>out the solution forward.

0:23:30.520 --> 0:23:30.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that a lot, because, like we talked about earlier,

0:23:34.000 --> 0:23:38.439
<v Speaker 2>your manager can help you prioritize. When I was thinking

0:23:38.480 --> 0:23:40.920
<v Speaker 2>about what Ben was saying, I was like, I think

0:23:40.920 --> 0:23:43.280
<v Speaker 2>it's also important to ask yourself, like, what is taking

0:23:43.320 --> 0:23:45.800
<v Speaker 2>the toll right, because if it's one of those bigger

0:23:45.840 --> 0:23:48.640
<v Speaker 2>projects figuring out maybe are there other coworkers you can

0:23:48.640 --> 0:23:51.320
<v Speaker 2>bring on who you can partner with and having that.

0:23:51.359 --> 0:23:55.760
<v Speaker 2>But it's if it's the small, like little things figuring

0:23:55.800 --> 0:23:57.879
<v Speaker 2>out how to delegate. For me, I find that, like

0:23:57.920 --> 0:24:01.440
<v Speaker 2>it's the small tasks that usually me out because my

0:24:01.480 --> 0:24:04.040
<v Speaker 2>brain is like in strategy docs all day or working

0:24:04.119 --> 0:24:07.320
<v Speaker 2>on big projects. So that allowed me to also figure out, Okay,

0:24:07.359 --> 0:24:09.960
<v Speaker 2>I can now block off time on my calendar to

0:24:10.440 --> 0:24:12.400
<v Speaker 2>go towards answering emails.

0:24:12.600 --> 0:24:13.040
<v Speaker 1>Yeah.

0:24:13.119 --> 0:24:15.920
<v Speaker 3>I love that you said first like figure out what

0:24:16.119 --> 0:24:19.440
<v Speaker 3>is you know, what are your main stressors, and then

0:24:19.720 --> 0:24:24.560
<v Speaker 3>also like ask your manager to help you prioritize, and also,

0:24:24.680 --> 0:24:27.280
<v Speaker 3>like I guess, speaking from my personal experience, like if

0:24:27.320 --> 0:24:30.119
<v Speaker 3>it is stuff in your personal life, you know, a

0:24:30.119 --> 0:24:33.000
<v Speaker 3>good manager understands that you are a whole human and

0:24:33.040 --> 0:24:36.240
<v Speaker 3>you have life outside the office. You know, you don't

0:24:36.240 --> 0:24:38.800
<v Speaker 3>have to tell everyone exactly the full story, right.

0:24:39.560 --> 0:24:40.399
<v Speaker 1>I think if the you.

0:24:40.400 --> 0:24:44.280
<v Speaker 3>Know, pandemic taught anybody anything, it's like, we have life

0:24:44.359 --> 0:24:47.600
<v Speaker 3>outside of the office, and you need to account for that.

0:24:48.040 --> 0:24:51.000
<v Speaker 3>And that's why you know, prioritizing mental health is so important.

0:24:51.240 --> 0:24:54.000
<v Speaker 3>And remember that you were hired for a reason. Your

0:24:54.040 --> 0:24:57.359
<v Speaker 3>manager isn't going to say Oh wow, you're incapable of

0:24:57.359 --> 0:24:59.399
<v Speaker 3>doing your job now because you just told me this

0:24:59.480 --> 0:25:02.119
<v Speaker 3>vulnerable thing about yourself. I do think people respect that,

0:25:02.240 --> 0:25:04.439
<v Speaker 3>but when you're starting out, you feel like, oh, that

0:25:04.520 --> 0:25:07.680
<v Speaker 3>vulnerability is something I can't show because I'm proving myself.

0:25:07.720 --> 0:25:09.960
<v Speaker 3>Where if you have a good manager, that's something that

0:25:10.000 --> 0:25:12.159
<v Speaker 3>they're going to, you know, be proud of you for

0:25:12.359 --> 0:25:14.720
<v Speaker 3>doing and help you kind of problem solved.

0:25:14.760 --> 0:25:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but I mean to your point, you are proving yourself.

0:25:17.119 --> 0:25:19.600
<v Speaker 2>You're proving that you can take ownership, You're proving that

0:25:19.680 --> 0:25:23.199
<v Speaker 2>you are coming with a solution oriented mindset. You're proving

0:25:23.240 --> 0:25:25.879
<v Speaker 2>that I want to succeed in this job. I just

0:25:25.920 --> 0:25:28.359
<v Speaker 2>need a little help because it's like this. Everyone is

0:25:28.400 --> 0:25:30.160
<v Speaker 2>going to suffer grief at some point in their life.

0:25:30.160 --> 0:25:32.520
<v Speaker 2>Everyone is going to suffer something. You know, We've talked

0:25:32.560 --> 0:25:35.720
<v Speaker 2>about layoffs, We've talked about you know, being impacted by

0:25:35.760 --> 0:25:39.000
<v Speaker 2>different things that are happening industries. So many themes and

0:25:39.040 --> 0:25:41.360
<v Speaker 2>topics that we've talked about on this podcast are things

0:25:41.400 --> 0:25:43.359
<v Speaker 2>that are going to touch people at some point or another.

0:25:43.880 --> 0:25:48.960
<v Speaker 2>So it would naturally benefit your employer to understand that

0:25:49.119 --> 0:25:52.320
<v Speaker 2>you are a person and that these things are going

0:25:52.359 --> 0:25:54.680
<v Speaker 2>to affect you in a different way, like what affects

0:25:54.720 --> 0:25:56.440
<v Speaker 2>G is going to affect me in a different way

0:25:56.480 --> 0:26:00.679
<v Speaker 2>because of life circumstances. That is where you create that partnership.

0:26:01.000 --> 0:26:04.359
<v Speaker 2>But I just want to also say that if you

0:26:04.560 --> 0:26:10.160
<v Speaker 2>are experiencing continued burnout, take it from the girl who

0:26:10.200 --> 0:26:12.159
<v Speaker 2>literally has had to go to the hospital about this

0:26:12.280 --> 0:26:13.280
<v Speaker 2>hair was falling out.

0:26:14.359 --> 0:26:15.600
<v Speaker 1>I was not cute.

0:26:15.680 --> 0:26:19.200
<v Speaker 2>It was not cute. I wasn't eating or I was overeating.

0:26:19.280 --> 0:26:20.680
<v Speaker 2>I was doing a lot. It was a whole lot

0:26:20.680 --> 0:26:23.960
<v Speaker 2>of everything. If you are realizing that you are in

0:26:24.000 --> 0:26:26.439
<v Speaker 2>this continued burnout stage, it really might be time for

0:26:26.440 --> 0:26:29.520
<v Speaker 2>you to consider walking away. You are no lesser of

0:26:29.560 --> 0:26:31.240
<v Speaker 2>a person if you decide you have to do that.

0:26:31.280 --> 0:26:33.560
<v Speaker 2>In fact, I commend you for being able to prioritize

0:26:33.600 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 2>your mental health. Now obviously I get it. It's much

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:38.800
<v Speaker 2>easier said than done here and I know, like you

0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:40.399
<v Speaker 2>can look out and you can see the industry, you

0:26:40.400 --> 0:26:43.200
<v Speaker 2>can see the economy, and you're nervous to take that leap.

0:26:44.200 --> 0:26:46.560
<v Speaker 2>And I also understand that not everyone has the privilege

0:26:46.560 --> 0:26:49.560
<v Speaker 2>of just being able to leave their job. But if

0:26:49.600 --> 0:26:51.679
<v Speaker 2>you are not getting the support that you need, if

0:26:51.760 --> 0:26:54.119
<v Speaker 2>you have listened to this entire episode. You have noted

0:26:54.160 --> 0:26:56.359
<v Speaker 2>a lot of things that you see in yourself. If

0:26:56.400 --> 0:26:58.640
<v Speaker 2>you've had these conversations with your manager, if you've had

0:26:58.680 --> 0:27:01.880
<v Speaker 2>these conversations with HI, if you work in an environment

0:27:01.920 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 2>that does not respect your boundaries, it really might be

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:06.720
<v Speaker 2>time for you to start thinking about that exit plan.

0:27:07.520 --> 0:27:09.440
<v Speaker 3>And I just want to add one last thing is

0:27:09.800 --> 0:27:12.200
<v Speaker 3>don't be afraid to seek the help of a mental

0:27:12.200 --> 0:27:15.679
<v Speaker 3>health professional. You know, I've been in therapy for I

0:27:15.720 --> 0:27:18.960
<v Speaker 3>think most of my life and it's definitely helped me

0:27:19.119 --> 0:27:23.200
<v Speaker 3>create those boundaries around work and personal life. That has

0:27:23.280 --> 0:27:26.359
<v Speaker 3>helped kind of prevent the burnout. And then when I

0:27:26.440 --> 0:27:28.800
<v Speaker 3>was in that period because of a lot of it

0:27:28.840 --> 0:27:31.639
<v Speaker 3>was due to my personal life. I mean, therapy you know,

0:27:32.040 --> 0:27:35.760
<v Speaker 3>saved me in that time. So definitely consider seeking support

0:27:35.800 --> 0:27:39.840
<v Speaker 3>if you have the resources and the means to do so. Yeah,

0:27:40.280 --> 0:27:43.000
<v Speaker 3>and also see if you know your employer has a

0:27:43.040 --> 0:27:47.000
<v Speaker 3>mental health benefit and maybe they work with a therapy provider.

0:27:47.160 --> 0:27:48.439
<v Speaker 1>Yeah. I love that you mentioned that.

0:27:48.640 --> 0:27:51.520
<v Speaker 2>One thing that I was thinking of is that sometimes

0:27:51.560 --> 0:27:54.879
<v Speaker 2>your friends, your family, your loved ones could also be

0:27:54.920 --> 0:27:57.080
<v Speaker 2>the same ones who gaslight you, which.

0:27:56.840 --> 0:27:59.400
<v Speaker 1>Is why you have to have wise counseled a third

0:27:59.400 --> 0:27:59.840
<v Speaker 1>party of.

0:27:59.800 --> 0:28:03.120
<v Speaker 2>It you do like and they may not mean anything

0:28:03.160 --> 0:28:05.720
<v Speaker 2>negative by it. But you know, your parents, who have

0:28:05.720 --> 0:28:07.960
<v Speaker 2>stayed in the same job for fifty years are not

0:28:08.000 --> 0:28:10.320
<v Speaker 2>gonna tell you that at the first sign of burnout.

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:12.280
<v Speaker 1>To me, I know, sometimes.

0:28:11.960 --> 0:28:13.960
<v Speaker 3>My mom would be like, oh, just like just say

0:28:14.000 --> 0:28:14.760
<v Speaker 3>you can't handle it.

0:28:14.800 --> 0:28:18.919
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I I just put on a nice outfit

0:28:18.960 --> 0:28:19.560
<v Speaker 2>as a makeup.

0:28:19.560 --> 0:28:21.440
<v Speaker 1>When you look good, you feel good. I'm like, now

0:28:21.480 --> 0:28:25.360
<v Speaker 1>what I'm burned out? Mommy. No, they do, they do,

0:28:25.520 --> 0:28:25.960
<v Speaker 1>they do.

0:28:26.040 --> 0:28:28.400
<v Speaker 2>But but to your point, I mean, the mental health

0:28:28.440 --> 0:28:31.520
<v Speaker 2>professional will be able to give you an objective viewpoint

0:28:31.520 --> 0:28:34.119
<v Speaker 2>of your situation, which is always nice to have so

0:28:34.160 --> 0:28:36.840
<v Speaker 2>you feel safe and supported. I mean, honestly, I think

0:28:36.840 --> 0:28:39.000
<v Speaker 2>that's always a great person to bounce ideas off of,

0:28:39.120 --> 0:28:43.880
<v Speaker 2>because otherwise, girl, you're gonna be asking yourself, am I crazy?

0:28:44.080 --> 0:28:46.760
<v Speaker 2>I mean, they're honestly there to help you navigate those thoughts,

0:28:46.840 --> 0:28:53.840
<v Speaker 2>So shout out to them. Okay, everyone, let's all take

0:28:53.880 --> 0:28:55.960
<v Speaker 2>a collective deep breath.

0:29:00.320 --> 0:29:03.240
<v Speaker 1>That was great, right, I know that was a lot.

0:29:03.360 --> 0:29:06.920
<v Speaker 2>An overcoming burnout doesn't happen overnight, but we hope that

0:29:07.000 --> 0:29:10.160
<v Speaker 2>after this combo, you start taking the first steps towards

0:29:10.160 --> 0:29:13.640
<v Speaker 2>addressing that burnout coming up? Have you ever talked about

0:29:13.640 --> 0:29:15.640
<v Speaker 2>your salary with your coworkers?

0:29:16.160 --> 0:29:24.360
<v Speaker 1>Is it still taboo? That's next?

0:29:27.840 --> 0:29:30.440
<v Speaker 3>All right, Tom, you dropped so many gems you too,

0:29:30.720 --> 0:29:34.800
<v Speaker 3>like usual. Something I'm taking away from our conversation that

0:29:34.880 --> 0:29:39.000
<v Speaker 3>you said is the break's part of this, right. I

0:29:39.200 --> 0:29:43.600
<v Speaker 3>really appreciate how protective you are of your time and

0:29:43.640 --> 0:29:46.480
<v Speaker 3>how you don't only set your boundaries, you enforce them

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:51.880
<v Speaker 3>and you have agency over your time. That's something that

0:29:51.920 --> 0:29:54.560
<v Speaker 3>I want to get better with. So my action item

0:29:54.600 --> 0:29:56.280
<v Speaker 3>for today is, like, I'm set. I'm going to put

0:29:56.280 --> 0:29:59.520
<v Speaker 3>some calendar holds on to break girl and maybe set

0:29:59.560 --> 0:30:01.560
<v Speaker 3>some reminder to breathe because my therapist had to do

0:30:01.600 --> 0:30:02.880
<v Speaker 3>that and I haven't even need to breathe.

0:30:03.080 --> 0:30:03.840
<v Speaker 1>You need to do it.

0:30:03.920 --> 0:30:06.040
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, but it's okay. My voice teacher tells me all

0:30:06.040 --> 0:30:08.480
<v Speaker 2>the time. You need to breathe.

0:30:07.800 --> 0:30:11.560
<v Speaker 3>How we like it might take breaks and breathes like,

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 3>but seriously, but you have to remind yourself sometimes.

0:30:14.560 --> 0:30:17.040
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes the small things are really the most effective, and

0:30:17.040 --> 0:30:19.760
<v Speaker 2>they're the things that will give you the biggest benefit.

0:30:19.960 --> 0:30:23.320
<v Speaker 2>You just don't even realize it. I think one thing

0:30:23.360 --> 0:30:26.080
<v Speaker 2>that's been important that you actually mentioned is just the

0:30:26.120 --> 0:30:29.160
<v Speaker 2>importance of hobbies. Now, this is something that has been

0:30:29.160 --> 0:30:31.000
<v Speaker 2>a game changer for me this year, as I've been

0:30:31.040 --> 0:30:35.600
<v Speaker 2>getting into things that I even took like a pottery class.

0:30:35.280 --> 0:30:36.880
<v Speaker 1>A couple of times. Terrible.

0:30:37.040 --> 0:30:40.640
<v Speaker 3>Wait, can I say something, I also wanted to take

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:41.480
<v Speaker 3>pottery classes.

0:30:41.480 --> 0:30:44.080
<v Speaker 1>Why is it so expensive? Nobody talks about how expensive

0:30:44.120 --> 0:30:46.760
<v Speaker 1>hobbies can be. It's so expensive. Stick to cooking.

0:30:46.920 --> 0:30:49.440
<v Speaker 2>I know, right, literally, it's so expensive. But I do

0:30:49.520 --> 0:30:52.200
<v Speaker 2>think that there's such a fun thing about just trying

0:30:52.200 --> 0:30:55.480
<v Speaker 2>out hobbies, trying new things that you've never experienced before.

0:30:56.480 --> 0:30:59.040
<v Speaker 2>Sometimes they even show you things that you would want

0:30:59.040 --> 0:31:01.440
<v Speaker 2>to do. We have a whole episode on side hustles,

0:31:01.480 --> 0:31:03.240
<v Speaker 2>turning them into your full nine to five or so.

0:31:03.640 --> 0:31:05.240
<v Speaker 2>I think like there's just so much that you can

0:31:05.280 --> 0:31:10.360
<v Speaker 2>do and decentering work. Decentering something doesn't make it less important.

0:31:10.400 --> 0:31:12.600
<v Speaker 2>It just means that you're not fixated on it and

0:31:12.640 --> 0:31:15.200
<v Speaker 2>you have to govern your own agency.

0:31:14.680 --> 0:31:15.720
<v Speaker 1>In that say it again.

0:31:18.080 --> 0:31:20.480
<v Speaker 2>So I really hope that you guys are taking some

0:31:20.560 --> 0:31:24.760
<v Speaker 2>of these tips away. But before you head out, another

0:31:24.880 --> 0:31:29.400
<v Speaker 2>tip of the week, cringe, go Gianna.

0:31:30.000 --> 0:31:31.800
<v Speaker 1>We have cringe. Are cool? It's our favorite, well my

0:31:31.840 --> 0:31:34.000
<v Speaker 1>favorite segment, I don't know. Is it your favorite? I

0:31:34.040 --> 0:31:35.680
<v Speaker 1>think so? Okay, I think it's fun.

0:31:35.840 --> 0:31:39.479
<v Speaker 2>Right, Well, we get to discuss all things workplace culture,

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:41.880
<v Speaker 2>in the trends, and we're determining whether they are cool

0:31:42.280 --> 0:31:42.960
<v Speaker 2>or cringe.

0:31:43.280 --> 0:31:46.360
<v Speaker 1>That almost rhymed? I think maybe in my head, Gianna, whatever.

0:31:46.960 --> 0:31:47.360
<v Speaker 3>I don't think.

0:31:47.960 --> 0:31:49.280
<v Speaker 1>What are we talking about this week?

0:31:49.360 --> 0:31:54.720
<v Speaker 3>Okay, we're talking about discussing your salary with your coworkers.

0:31:56.920 --> 0:32:02.880
<v Speaker 1>How much do you make? What do you feel? How

0:32:02.920 --> 0:32:05.040
<v Speaker 1>do I feel? Yeah, let me take a sip of profit?

0:32:05.280 --> 0:32:05.640
<v Speaker 3>Question?

0:32:05.920 --> 0:32:07.880
<v Speaker 1>What a crazy question? How do you feel drying?

0:32:08.320 --> 0:32:11.240
<v Speaker 2>So I think I come at this topic in a

0:32:11.360 --> 0:32:15.440
<v Speaker 2>very particular way because as someone who was a freelancer,

0:32:15.760 --> 0:32:18.440
<v Speaker 2>like a freelance journalist for a number of years in

0:32:18.480 --> 0:32:21.520
<v Speaker 2>her career, the only way I knew how to get

0:32:21.520 --> 0:32:24.320
<v Speaker 2>paid was by asking my community, well, what were you

0:32:24.360 --> 0:32:27.800
<v Speaker 2>getting paid? Yeah, and that was still very taboo then, right,

0:32:27.840 --> 0:32:31.320
<v Speaker 2>but you would quickly learn, oh, the same editor that's

0:32:31.360 --> 0:32:34.160
<v Speaker 2>giving you seventy five bucks for a story is paying

0:32:34.160 --> 0:32:37.280
<v Speaker 2>someone else to seventy five. And so I have always

0:32:37.360 --> 0:32:39.840
<v Speaker 2>been a person who's like, I can ask if you

0:32:39.880 --> 0:32:42.880
<v Speaker 2>feel comfortable sharing feel you know, share If you don't,

0:32:43.000 --> 0:32:43.880
<v Speaker 2>that's totally fine.

0:32:44.440 --> 0:32:46.560
<v Speaker 1>I also think that having.

0:32:46.320 --> 0:32:50.720
<v Speaker 2>Paid transparency and salari transparency allows you to know whether

0:32:50.760 --> 0:32:54.160
<v Speaker 2>you are being played or not. Even in corporate facilities. Now,

0:32:54.200 --> 0:32:56.880
<v Speaker 2>there are some companies that make sure from an equitable

0:32:56.920 --> 0:33:01.040
<v Speaker 2>standpoint that people are being compensated fairly, but there are

0:33:01.160 --> 0:33:03.479
<v Speaker 2>a lot of companies that just don't do that.

0:33:03.520 --> 0:33:03.760
<v Speaker 1>Girl.

0:33:03.800 --> 0:33:05.719
<v Speaker 2>So the only way you are going to know if

0:33:05.760 --> 0:33:08.040
<v Speaker 2>you are being low balled or like if you're not

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<v Speaker 2>actually advancing as quickly as your peers is just by

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<v Speaker 2>having those conversations. But again, it doesn't bother me at all.

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<v Speaker 2>I just always say, like, if you ask, be careful

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<v Speaker 2>for what you ask, because you might find out. You

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<v Speaker 2>might find out that you getting played, and then I

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<v Speaker 2>think people get a lot upset.

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<v Speaker 1>What do you think.

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<v Speaker 3>I love that you said that, because I think if

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<v Speaker 3>you're asking, you got to prepare to either be like

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<v Speaker 3>pleasantly surprised that you're earning more or hurt that you're

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<v Speaker 3>earning less, and that can definitely impact the way you

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<v Speaker 3>view your colleague. So you just need to be aware

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<v Speaker 3>of that going in. But I remember in our negotiation episode,

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<v Speaker 3>you said you found out you were being underpaid in

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<v Speaker 3>one of your early jobs because you spoke to one

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<v Speaker 3>of your guy colleagues, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yep, I found out I was getting paid like twenty

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<v Speaker 2>thousand dollars less than him, and it was wild because

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<v Speaker 2>we were doing the same type of work. But you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I think is important because you said this,

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<v Speaker 2>and it's like it had nothing new to him, right,

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<v Speaker 2>And I think we take it personal all of a sudden.

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<v Speaker 2>If I found out Gianna was making like three times myself,

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<v Speaker 2>I would be like.

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<v Speaker 3>Gianna, but if podcast over, But it's like, it has

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<v Speaker 3>nothing to do with you.

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<v Speaker 2>I have so many details you could have negotiated that

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<v Speaker 2>you might actually have experience that I don't know of

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<v Speaker 2>that's reflected on that resume. There's there's so many factors here, right, Like,

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<v Speaker 2>so the number is just a number on paper, But

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<v Speaker 2>I do think that it is a number that you

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<v Speaker 2>can use to inform your strategy moving forward.

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<v Speaker 3>Okay, I agree with you. I think there's a lot

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<v Speaker 3>of value in having transparent conversations with your I will

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<v Speaker 3>say work friends, because they need to be trusted.

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<v Speaker 1>Colleagues, very trusted.

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<v Speaker 2>Yes, we're not just throwing this around like a Friday night, No, no, no, no.

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<v Speaker 3>I honestly remember at one point, like a few of

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<v Speaker 3>us like gathered in a conference room and we were

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<v Speaker 3>like we talked about it because you know, when it

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<v Speaker 3>comes to promotions, when it comes to raises, you don't

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<v Speaker 3>know what you don't know, correct, And like you were saying,

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<v Speaker 3>sometimes pay transparency within a company isn't you know, super transparent.

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<v Speaker 3>So having those conversations with your colleagues can be really

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<v Speaker 3>informative when you think about like asking for a raise

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<v Speaker 3>and going after promotion. It didn't tarnish my view of

0:35:18.880 --> 0:35:21.960
<v Speaker 3>them whatsoever, but it just gave me information that I

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<v Speaker 3>had in the back of my head as context. And

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<v Speaker 3>now listen, I wasn't going into any negotiations saying well

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<v Speaker 3>I know so and so is making X y Z

0:35:28.920 --> 0:35:32.480
<v Speaker 3>that part. No, Like listen, like that is not something

0:35:32.480 --> 0:35:34.839
<v Speaker 3>that you throw in somebody else's face. That's not used

0:35:34.840 --> 0:35:37.640
<v Speaker 3>as ammunition. It's like background research that you got to

0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:40.840
<v Speaker 3>keep in your head. Yes, and it's just all context.

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<v Speaker 1>At the end of the day.

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<v Speaker 2>Some things don't need to be said out loud, and like,

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<v Speaker 2>so if someone actually was open and vulnerable enough with

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<v Speaker 2>you to share that information, don't use it to don't, don't.

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<v Speaker 1>Don't organize them. Yeah, yeah, so I agree again, is

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<v Speaker 1>it cool or crazy?

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<v Speaker 3>I think it's cool.

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<v Speaker 1>I think it's cool. It can get cringe if you

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<v Speaker 1>be chatting it up, you go about that.

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<v Speaker 3>Yeah, And if a friend tells you, you don't go

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<v Speaker 3>tell other people.

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<v Speaker 2>No, that's just between you and a friend, like me,

0:36:10.040 --> 0:36:11.800
<v Speaker 2>Gianna and like one other person could be in a

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<v Speaker 2>room together.

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<v Speaker 1>If Gianna tell me some information, I heard it.

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<v Speaker 2>If the walls, if oh gosh, lord, what would happen?

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<v Speaker 1>Then well, we want to know from you all.

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<v Speaker 2>Are you all having conversations around salary with your coworkers, family, friends,

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<v Speaker 2>loved ones, strangers on the street.

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<v Speaker 1>Like how how open are we?

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<v Speaker 2>I want to know what's the level of open what's

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<v Speaker 2>the level of openness these days?

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<v Speaker 1>Let us know.

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<v Speaker 2>But in the meantime, thank you guys so much for

0:36:40.960 --> 0:36:45.759
<v Speaker 2>listening to another fun, slightly chaotic, but very action packed episode.

0:36:45.800 --> 0:36:47.520
<v Speaker 3>Yeah, we always end on the chaotic noise.

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<v Speaker 1>Always gotta go out strong.

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