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Speaker 1: LinkedIn News.

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Speaker 2: Now, the thing about burnout is it sneaks up on you.

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Speaker 2: I remember I was in a job. I was having

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Speaker 2: chest pains and so I went to the doctor and

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Speaker 2: I was like, I'm having these heart palpitations.

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Speaker 1: Am I having like a heart attack? Mind you? I'm

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Speaker 1: like the twenty five years old the job. I'm like,

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Speaker 1: what's happening? Is it now? Is now my time?

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Speaker 2: And two are like and he was like, no, You're

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Speaker 2: not having a heart attack. But we went down this

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Speaker 2: checklist and he said, I think you are exhibiting like

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Speaker 2: early signs of burnout.

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Speaker 3: From LinkedIn News and I heard podcasts. This is Let's

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Speaker 3: Talk offline, a show about what it takes to thrive

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Speaker 3: in the early years of your career without sacrificing your values,

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Speaker 3: sanity or a sleep.

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Speaker 2: I'm Gianna Prudenti and I'm Jamaie Jackson Kadsten. So when

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Speaker 2: you're early in your career, you are hustle in. I mean,

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Speaker 2: you might give me all of the assignments you want

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Speaker 2: me to do that presentation. Sure, you want me to

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Speaker 2: come into work early. Absolute Utely, you're saying yes to

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Speaker 2: everything because honestly, you're trying to prove to others, maybe

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Speaker 2: even to yourself, that you can do the job.

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Speaker 1: But what can that lead to? Yeah, you guessed it, burnout.

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Speaker 1: It's true.

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Speaker 3: I've been there, and so have many other gen Zers.

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Speaker 3: Get this. Ninety eight percent of gen Z workers have

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Speaker 3: battled burnout symptoms.

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Speaker 1: Ninety eight ninety eight.

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Speaker 3: Wow, I know that means it feels like you're running

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Speaker 3: on empty, but you keep pushing yourself to the max

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Speaker 3: and stressing yourself out, all at the expense of your

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Speaker 3: mental health. Well, we're here to tell you that it

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Speaker 3: doesn't have to be that way, and we're going to

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Speaker 3: help you prevent burnout before it's too late.

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Speaker 1: There's different types of burnouts. There's levels to this.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so it's for today's conversation, we are specifically talking

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Speaker 2: about work burnout. So when it comes to work burnout,

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Speaker 2: that is the feeling of things like stress and exhaustion

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Speaker 2: when you think or do anything related to your job.

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Speaker 2: I mean you are feeling drained, you're feeling unmotivated. You

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Speaker 2: could also be feeling worn out physically, but I think

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Speaker 2: this also comes down to your emotional and mental state

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Speaker 2: as well. And unfortunately, the thing about burnout is if

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Speaker 2: you're not careful. It also can affect your job performance.

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Speaker 2: So there are a number of things that can contribute

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Speaker 2: to job burnout. I mean, so, just thinking off the

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Speaker 2: top of my head, it's things like having a lack

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Speaker 2: of control. I see this a lot, particularly when you

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Speaker 2: have things like layoffs or like workforces are impacted. You

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Speaker 2: feel like you're out of control and you want to

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Speaker 2: just grasp it and you don't have it having too

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Speaker 2: much or even.

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Speaker 1: Too little to do. Now.

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Speaker 2: Look, I love this one, gee, because we always talk

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Speaker 2: about being overworked, but underwork can also add to burnout too,

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Speaker 2: because you start wondering, am I doing enough? Am I

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Speaker 2: feeling fulfilled? Am I walking in my life's purpose?

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Speaker 1: Babe? You're twenty one? Okay? Are you relaxed? These are

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Speaker 1: the questions that we're thinking about. Yeah, I know, I know.

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Speaker 1: It keeps us up at night.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, office conflict, right, you know, we had a whole

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Speaker 2: episode on work friendships, right, But what happens when that

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Speaker 2: friendship goes sour? Or what happens when that little booth

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Speaker 2: thing and the other department and yeah, y'all break up

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Speaker 2: and now you're grieving and you see them eating chicken

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Speaker 2: in the cafeteria with somebody else.

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Speaker 1: Who are you? Sorry? That sounds very personal.

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Speaker 2: Sorry anyway's not speaking from personal experience.

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Speaker 3: No, No, I'm not.

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Speaker 1: Crashing out whatsoever. A lack of support.

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Speaker 2: We talked about this a lot, particularly around managers and

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Speaker 2: co workers. Lack of support can just make you feel

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Speaker 2: like you're in an unsafe environment. But another one that

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Speaker 2: I think is so important here is personal life issues.

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Speaker 2: I feel this one deeply because your personal life can't

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Speaker 2: affect your work life. I know people like to separate,

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Speaker 2: and to some degree there should be a separation of

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Speaker 2: church and state. But the truth of the matter is

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Speaker 2: you're human and what's happening out there is bound to

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Speaker 2: also come a little bit into your office settings.

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Speaker 1: They bleed in.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, so you're feeling some sort of way, but you

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Speaker 3: kind of ignore those feelings because maybe you don't know

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Speaker 3: what it is, and you really want to prove yourself,

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Speaker 3: whether you're like starting a new job or early in

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Speaker 3: and then that comes at a cost, right, So I

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Speaker 3: think what's important with burnout is if you're starting to

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Speaker 3: feel those symptoms that Jamay was explaining, you have to

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Speaker 3: ask yourself a few questions to kind of diagnose yourself.

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Speaker 3: And these are some questions that Mayo Clinics suggests asking. So, first,

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Speaker 3: do you question the value of your work? Do you

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Speaker 3: drag yourself to work and have trouble getting started? Do

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Speaker 3: you feel removed from work and the people you work with?

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Speaker 3: Do you feel a little satisfaction from the work you

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Speaker 3: you feel let down by your job? Are you experiencing

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Speaker 3: physical ailments like frequent headaches, stomach issues, trouble sleeping with

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Speaker 3: no known cause. If you're answering yes to a lot

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I like that there are questions that we can all

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Speaker 2: sort of ask ourselves at least to start the conversation.

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Speaker 1: So, gee, what's been your experience with burnout?

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Speaker 3: I experienced burnout maybe a year or so ago. I

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Speaker 3: feel like it kind of was this perfect storm between

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Speaker 3: remember just feeling like just numbed out, like I was

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Speaker 3: super unmotivated. We work in a very creation heavy role,

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Speaker 3: I really had no energy even for social interactions in

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Speaker 3: mental capacity to take anything in. You know, everything that

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Speaker 3: then I started having conversations with one colleague, one of

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Speaker 3: I had experienced something like that, and when it's related

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Speaker 3: to your job, all of a sudden, I was like,

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Speaker 3: oh no, Like I was always a very like driven person,

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Speaker 3: Like I was in this very self driven role, but

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Speaker 3: and if I did, it was like blah, yeah and yeah.

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Speaker 3: It definitely took me a while to like work through

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it was.

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Speaker 3: It was definitely like a WHOA moment for me.

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Speaker 2: I'm so thankful that you were able to have someone

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Speaker 2: who you could talk to because to your point, when

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Speaker 2: you do make work part of your identity and in

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Speaker 2: some way by being that person you know people can

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Speaker 2: depend on or doing good work, it feels very personal.

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Speaker 1: When you can't do that, it was scary.

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Speaker 3: I was like, okay, am I not able to do

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Speaker 3: my job all of a sudden, like what happened? Yeah,

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Speaker 3: And it's not like the cure for burnout is something

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Speaker 3: nervous to ask for help or to vocalize that because

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Speaker 3: that's a reputation you've built for yourself and now something's changed.

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Speaker 3: But like you were saying, your personal life really bleeds

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Speaker 3: into work. It's not something that you can always you know,

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Speaker 3: it's something that many people probably will experience throughout their career. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: is it something you've experienced before?

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I am similar to you.

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Speaker 2: I had a really really bad burnout session like last year,

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Speaker 2: like to the point where I should I know what

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Speaker 2: who people would say, I love your personal brand, I

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Speaker 2: like overnight, I just I walked away from everything. I

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Speaker 2: like the cyclical thing because there was so much happening

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Speaker 2: and it was such a moment of just like trying

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Speaker 2: but then you're also like, but who cares?

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Speaker 1: And you feel that way? Is this solution? What is

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Speaker 2: What's interesting though, And you know, the things you love

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Speaker 2: I'll never forget. There was an instance where I had

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Speaker 1: I need to be getting back into acting.

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Speaker 2: Like there's just something about getting back into something that

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Speaker 2: enroll in the classes and it healed me, It really did.

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Speaker 2: Now it's taken what a year plus for me to

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Speaker 2: I'm getting myself out there. But I would be lying

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Speaker 2: if I said that sometimes I approach the things that

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Speaker 2: I love with caution because I don't want them to

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Speaker 2: burn me out again. You get scarred, and you expect

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Speaker 2: when you are Anyone who has ever dealt, particularly with

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Speaker 2: depression knows you get into those spells and when you

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Speaker 2: are out, you are so thankful, but you're like, please, God,

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Speaker 2: don't let me get there again. And I think burnout

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Speaker 2: is one of those things.

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Speaker 1: Now.

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Speaker 2: The thing about burnout is it sneaks up on you.

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Speaker 2: I remember I was in a job. I was having

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Speaker 2: I was like, I'm having these heart palpitations.

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Speaker 1: Am I having like a heart attack? Mine?

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Speaker 4: You?

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Speaker 1: I'm like a twenty five the job. I'm like, what's happening?

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Speaker 1: Is it now?

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Speaker 2: Is now my time? And you are like and he

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Speaker 1: So you got to get outside. You have to have support.

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Speaker 2: I don't like it, am I Mariah Carey. Everyone just

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Speaker 2: A long term thing, so you have to come up

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Speaker 2: But let me tell you this, the same way you

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Speaker 2: care when you have a medical procedure and you need

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Speaker 2: time off work, you got to take the same care

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Speaker 2: for your mind. Okay, So definitely make sure you check

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Speaker 2: out the resources and the show description. Guys, we will

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Speaker 2: have them out there because I don't want to misquote anything.

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Speaker 2: But the point is, do your research. Know that it

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Speaker 2: is okay to take small breaks, but if you are

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Speaker 2: actually getting to the point of burnout that you are

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Speaker 2: now like, okay, this is impacting my life, it is

447
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Speaker 2: okay to look into resources to give you longer breaks

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Speaker 2: of time. You should be medically and legally protected.

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Speaker 3: Before you mentioned seeking support from your manager, and you

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Speaker 3: were sharing how you've gone about that in the past,

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Speaker 3: and I want to talk more about that, and that

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Speaker 3: brings us to our listener question. So this is our

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Speaker 3: segment Dear Work Bestie, where we bring in questions from

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Speaker 3: our listeners. This week's comes from Ben in Washington.

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Speaker 4: Lately, there's been a lot going on at working in

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Speaker 4: my personal life. I'm not feeling as motivated as I

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Speaker 4: usually am about my job. I'm starting to feel kind

458
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Speaker 4: of overwhelmed. How do I tell my manager how feeling

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Speaker 4: without making them feel like I'm incapable of doing my job?

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Speaker 3: So if you guys listen to our Boundaries episode, you

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Speaker 3: will realize I've already cried at work, like I have

462
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Speaker 3: got to the point where I'm crying in my cubicle

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Speaker 3: to my manager. But of course I'm okay, thank you

464
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Speaker 3: to a trauma.

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Speaker 1: I love you though you know it's funny.

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Speaker 3: I laugh now, I laugh now, but you know there

467
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Speaker 3: are steps you can take to prevent that from happening. So,

468
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Speaker 3: similar to Bin, I was feeling overwhelmed and scared that

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Speaker 3: my performance was slipping. So I wanted to have that

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Speaker 3: conversation with my manager. And I think if you're you

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Speaker 3: have a good manager, they don't want you to fail

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Speaker 3: if you feel like you have a trusted relationship with

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Speaker 3: that person, right And I think it's going into that conversation,

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Speaker 3: like you were saying before, being open and just saying

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Speaker 3: I'm feeling overwhelmed right now, and here's what's on my plate,

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Speaker 3: And you can literally say I don't want the quality

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Speaker 3: of my work to slip. I know I can do

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Speaker 3: a good job, but I feel like I'm going to

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Speaker 3: get to the point where I'm unable to maintain the

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Speaker 3: quality of my work because of how I'm feeling. And

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Speaker 3: so yeah, I think vulnerable really wins here. But of

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Speaker 3: course not everyone has that relationship with their manager. But

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Speaker 3: I do think I think you can kind of come

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Speaker 3: in with the problem solution approach of saying like, hey,

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Speaker 3: here's what you know I think I can be doing

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Speaker 3: to kind of like lessen this overwhelm what do you

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Speaker 3: think about this? Right? And I think your manager will

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Speaker 3: be like, oh, okay, great or no, actually, why don't we

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Speaker 3: try this? But you kind of need to bring them

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Speaker 3: in as a partner either way to kind of figure

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Speaker 3: out the solution forward.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: I love that a lot, because, like we talked about earlier,

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Speaker 2: your manager can help you prioritize. When I was thinking

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Speaker 2: about what Ben was saying, I was like, I think

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Speaker 2: it's also important to ask yourself, like, what is taking

497
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Speaker 2: the toll right, because if it's one of those bigger

498
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Speaker 2: projects figuring out maybe are there other coworkers you can

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Speaker 2: bring on who you can partner with and having that.

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Speaker 2: But it's if it's the small, like little things figuring

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Speaker 2: out how to delegate. For me, I find that, like

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Speaker 2: it's the small tasks that usually me out because my

503
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Speaker 2: brain is like in strategy docs all day or working

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Speaker 2: on big projects. So that allowed me to also figure out, Okay,

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Speaker 2: I can now block off time on my calendar to

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Speaker 2: go towards answering emails.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: I love that you said first like figure out what

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Speaker 3: is you know, what are your main stressors, and then

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Speaker 3: also like ask your manager to help you prioritize, and also,

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Speaker 3: like I guess, speaking from my personal experience, like if

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Speaker 3: it is stuff in your personal life, you know, a

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Speaker 3: good manager understands that you are a whole human and

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Speaker 3: you have life outside the office. You know, you don't

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Speaker 3: have to tell everyone exactly the full story, right.

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Speaker 1: I think if the you.

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Speaker 3: Know, pandemic taught anybody anything, it's like, we have life

518
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Speaker 3: outside of the office, and you need to account for that.

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Speaker 3: And that's why you know, prioritizing mental health is so important.

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Speaker 3: And remember that you were hired for a reason. Your

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Speaker 3: manager isn't going to say Oh wow, you're incapable of

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Speaker 3: doing your job now because you just told me this

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Speaker 3: vulnerable thing about yourself. I do think people respect that,

524
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Speaker 3: but when you're starting out, you feel like, oh, that

525
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Speaker 3: vulnerability is something I can't show because I'm proving myself.

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Speaker 3: Where if you have a good manager, that's something that

527
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Speaker 3: they're going to, you know, be proud of you for

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Speaker 3: doing and help you kind of problem solved.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but I mean to your point, you are proving yourself.

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Speaker 2: You're proving that you can take ownership, You're proving that

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Speaker 2: you are coming with a solution oriented mindset. You're proving

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Speaker 2: that I want to succeed in this job. I just

533
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Speaker 2: need a little help because it's like this. Everyone is

534
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Speaker 2: going to suffer grief at some point in their life.

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Speaker 2: Everyone is going to suffer something. You know, We've talked

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Speaker 2: about layoffs, We've talked about you know, being impacted by

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Speaker 2: different things that are happening industries. So many themes and

538
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Speaker 2: topics that we've talked about on this podcast are things

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Speaker 2: that are going to touch people at some point or another.

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Speaker 2: So it would naturally benefit your employer to understand that

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Speaker 2: you are a person and that these things are going

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Speaker 2: to affect you in a different way, like what affects

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Speaker 2: G is going to affect me in a different way

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Speaker 2: because of life circumstances. That is where you create that partnership.

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Speaker 2: But I just want to also say that if you

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Speaker 2: are experiencing continued burnout, take it from the girl who

547
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Speaker 2: literally has had to go to the hospital about this

548
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Speaker 2: hair was falling out.

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Speaker 1: I was not cute.

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Speaker 2: It was not cute. I wasn't eating or I was overeating.

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Speaker 2: I was doing a lot. It was a whole lot

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Speaker 2: of everything. If you are realizing that you are in

553
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Speaker 2: this continued burnout stage, it really might be time for

554
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Speaker 2: you to consider walking away. You are no lesser of

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Speaker 2: a person if you decide you have to do that.

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Speaker 2: In fact, I commend you for being able to prioritize

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Speaker 2: your mental health. Now obviously I get it. It's much

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Speaker 2: easier said than done here and I know, like you

559
00:26:38,840 --> 00:26:40,399
Speaker 2: can look out and you can see the industry, you

560
00:26:40,400 --> 00:26:43,200
Speaker 2: can see the economy, and you're nervous to take that leap.

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Speaker 2: And I also understand that not everyone has the privilege

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Speaker 2: of just being able to leave their job. But if

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Speaker 2: you are not getting the support that you need, if

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Speaker 2: you have listened to this entire episode. You have noted

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Speaker 2: a lot of things that you see in yourself. If

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Speaker 2: you've had these conversations with your manager, if you've had

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Speaker 2: these conversations with HI, if you work in an environment

568
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Speaker 2: that does not respect your boundaries, it really might be

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Speaker 2: time for you to start thinking about that exit plan.

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Speaker 3: And I just want to add one last thing is

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Speaker 3: don't be afraid to seek the help of a mental

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Speaker 3: health professional. You know, I've been in therapy for I

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Speaker 3: think most of my life and it's definitely helped me

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Speaker 3: create those boundaries around work and personal life. That has

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Speaker 3: helped kind of prevent the burnout. And then when I

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Speaker 3: was in that period because of a lot of it

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Speaker 3: was due to my personal life. I mean, therapy you know,

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Speaker 3: saved me in that time. So definitely consider seeking support

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Speaker 3: if you have the resources and the means to do so. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: and also see if you know your employer has a

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Speaker 3: mental health benefit and maybe they work with a therapy provider.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. I love that you mentioned that.

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Speaker 2: One thing that I was thinking of is that sometimes

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Speaker 2: your friends, your family, your loved ones could also be

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Speaker 2: the same ones who gaslight you, which.

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Speaker 1: Is why you have to have wise counseled a third

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Speaker 1: party of.

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Speaker 2: It you do like and they may not mean anything

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Speaker 2: negative by it. But you know, your parents, who have

590
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Speaker 2: stayed in the same job for fifty years are not

591
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Speaker 2: gonna tell you that at the first sign of burnout.

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Speaker 1: To me, I know, sometimes.

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Speaker 3: My mom would be like, oh, just like just say

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Speaker 3: you can't handle it.

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Speaker 2: I'm like, I I just put on a nice outfit

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Speaker 2: as a makeup.

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Speaker 1: When you look good, you feel good. I'm like, now

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Speaker 1: what I'm burned out? Mommy. No, they do, they do,

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Speaker 1: they do.

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Speaker 2: But but to your point, I mean, the mental health

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Speaker 2: professional will be able to give you an objective viewpoint

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Speaker 2: of your situation, which is always nice to have so

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Speaker 2: you feel safe and supported. I mean, honestly, I think

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Speaker 2: that's always a great person to bounce ideas off of,

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Speaker 2: because otherwise, girl, you're gonna be asking yourself, am I crazy?

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're honestly there to help you navigate those thoughts,

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Speaker 2: So shout out to them. Okay, everyone, let's all take

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Speaker 2: a collective deep breath.

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Speaker 1: That was great, right, I know that was a lot.

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Speaker 2: An overcoming burnout doesn't happen overnight, but we hope that

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Speaker 2: after this combo, you start taking the first steps towards

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Speaker 2: addressing that burnout coming up? Have you ever talked about

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Speaker 2: your salary with your coworkers?

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Speaker 1: Is it still taboo? That's next?

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Speaker 3: All right, Tom, you dropped so many gems you too,

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Speaker 3: like usual. Something I'm taking away from our conversation that

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Speaker 3: you said is the break's part of this, right. I

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Speaker 3: really appreciate how protective you are of your time and

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Speaker 3: how you don't only set your boundaries, you enforce them

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Speaker 3: and you have agency over your time. That's something that

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Speaker 3: I want to get better with. So my action item

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Speaker 3: for today is, like, I'm set. I'm going to put

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Speaker 3: some calendar holds on to break girl and maybe set

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Speaker 3: some reminder to breathe because my therapist had to do

625
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Speaker 3: that and I haven't even need to breathe.

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Speaker 1: You need to do it.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, but it's okay. My voice teacher tells me all

628
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Speaker 2: the time. You need to breathe.

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Speaker 3: How we like it might take breaks and breathes like,

630
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Speaker 3: but seriously, but you have to remind yourself sometimes.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes the small things are really the most effective, and

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Speaker 2: they're the things that will give you the biggest benefit.

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Speaker 2: You just don't even realize it. I think one thing

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Speaker 2: that's been important that you actually mentioned is just the

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Speaker 2: importance of hobbies. Now, this is something that has been

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Speaker 2: a game changer for me this year, as I've been

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Speaker 2: getting into things that I even took like a pottery class.

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Speaker 1: A couple of times. Terrible.

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Speaker 3: Wait, can I say something, I also wanted to take

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Speaker 3: pottery classes.

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Speaker 1: Why is it so expensive? Nobody talks about how expensive

642
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Speaker 1: hobbies can be. It's so expensive. Stick to cooking.

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Speaker 2: I know, right, literally, it's so expensive. But I do

644
00:30:49,520 --> 00:30:52,200
Speaker 2: think that there's such a fun thing about just trying

645
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Speaker 2: out hobbies, trying new things that you've never experienced before.

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Speaker 2: Sometimes they even show you things that you would want

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Speaker 2: to do. We have a whole episode on side hustles,

648
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Speaker 2: turning them into your full nine to five or so.

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Speaker 2: I think like there's just so much that you can

650
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Speaker 2: do and decentering work. Decentering something doesn't make it less important.

651
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Speaker 2: It just means that you're not fixated on it and

652
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Speaker 2: you have to govern your own agency.

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Speaker 1: In that say it again.

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Speaker 2: So I really hope that you guys are taking some

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Speaker 2: of these tips away. But before you head out, another

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Speaker 2: tip of the week, cringe, go Gianna.

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Speaker 1: We have cringe. Are cool? It's our favorite, well my

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Speaker 1: favorite segment, I don't know. Is it your favorite? I

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Speaker 1: think so? Okay, I think it's fun.

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Speaker 2: Right, Well, we get to discuss all things workplace culture,

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Speaker 2: in the trends, and we're determining whether they are cool

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Speaker 2: or cringe.

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Speaker 1: That almost rhymed? I think maybe in my head, Gianna, whatever.

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Speaker 3: I don't think.

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Speaker 1: What are we talking about this week?

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Speaker 3: Okay, we're talking about discussing your salary with your coworkers.

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Speaker 1: How much do you make? What do you feel? How

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Speaker 1: do I feel? Yeah, let me take a sip of profit?

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Speaker 3: Question?

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Speaker 1: What a crazy question? How do you feel drying?

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Speaker 2: So I think I come at this topic in a

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Speaker 2: very particular way because as someone who was a freelancer,

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Speaker 2: like a freelance journalist for a number of years in

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Speaker 2: her career, the only way I knew how to get

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Speaker 2: paid was by asking my community, well, what were you

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Speaker 2: getting paid? Yeah, and that was still very taboo then, right,

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Speaker 2: but you would quickly learn, oh, the same editor that's

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Speaker 2: giving you seventy five bucks for a story is paying

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Speaker 2: someone else to seventy five. And so I have always

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Speaker 2: been a person who's like, I can ask if you

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Speaker 2: feel comfortable sharing feel you know, share If you don't,

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Speaker 2: that's totally fine.

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Speaker 1: I also think that having.

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Speaker 2: Paid transparency and salari transparency allows you to know whether

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Speaker 2: you are being played or not. Even in corporate facilities. Now,

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Speaker 2: there are some companies that make sure from an equitable

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Speaker 2: standpoint that people are being compensated fairly, but there are

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Speaker 2: a lot of companies that just don't do that.

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Speaker 1: Girl.

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Speaker 2: So the only way you are going to know if

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Speaker 2: you are being low balled or like if you're not

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Speaker 2: actually advancing as quickly as your peers is just by

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Speaker 2: having those conversations. But again, it doesn't bother me at all.

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Speaker 2: I just always say, like, if you ask, be careful

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Speaker 2: for what you ask, because you might find out. You

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Speaker 2: might find out that you getting played, and then I

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Speaker 2: think people get a lot upset.

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Speaker 1: What do you think.

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Speaker 3: I love that you said that, because I think if

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Speaker 3: you're asking, you got to prepare to either be like

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Speaker 3: pleasantly surprised that you're earning more or hurt that you're

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Speaker 3: earning less, and that can definitely impact the way you

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Speaker 3: view your colleague. So you just need to be aware

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Speaker 3: of that going in. But I remember in our negotiation episode,

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Speaker 3: you said you found out you were being underpaid in

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Speaker 3: one of your early jobs because you spoke to one

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Speaker 3: of your guy colleagues, right.

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Speaker 2: Yep, I found out I was getting paid like twenty

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Speaker 2: thousand dollars less than him, and it was wild because

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Speaker 2: we were doing the same type of work. But you

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Speaker 2: know what I think is important because you said this,

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Speaker 2: and it's like it had nothing new to him, right,

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Speaker 2: And I think we take it personal all of a sudden.

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Speaker 2: If I found out Gianna was making like three times myself,

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Speaker 2: I would be like.

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Speaker 3: Gianna, but if podcast over, But it's like, it has

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Speaker 3: nothing to do with you.

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Speaker 2: I have so many details you could have negotiated that

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Speaker 2: you might actually have experience that I don't know of

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Speaker 2: that's reflected on that resume. There's there's so many factors here, right, Like,

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Speaker 2: so the number is just a number on paper, But

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Speaker 2: I do think that it is a number that you

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Speaker 2: can use to inform your strategy moving forward.

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Speaker 3: Okay, I agree with you. I think there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of value in having transparent conversations with your I will

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Speaker 3: say work friends, because they need to be trusted.

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Speaker 1: Colleagues, very trusted.

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Speaker 2: Yes, we're not just throwing this around like a Friday night, No, no, no, no.

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Speaker 3: I honestly remember at one point, like a few of

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Speaker 3: us like gathered in a conference room and we were

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Speaker 3: like we talked about it because you know, when it

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Speaker 3: comes to promotions, when it comes to raises, you don't

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Speaker 3: know what you don't know, correct, And like you were saying,

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Speaker 3: sometimes pay transparency within a company isn't you know, super transparent.

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Speaker 3: So having those conversations with your colleagues can be really

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Speaker 3: informative when you think about like asking for a raise

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Speaker 3: and going after promotion. It didn't tarnish my view of

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Speaker 3: them whatsoever, but it just gave me information that I

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Speaker 3: had in the back of my head as context. And

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Speaker 3: now listen, I wasn't going into any negotiations saying well

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Speaker 3: I know so and so is making X y Z

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Speaker 3: that part. No, Like listen, like that is not something

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Speaker 3: that you throw in somebody else's face. That's not used

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Speaker 3: as ammunition. It's like background research that you got to

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Speaker 3: keep in your head. Yes, and it's just all context.

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Speaker 1: At the end of the day.

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Speaker 2: Some things don't need to be said out loud, and like,

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Speaker 2: so if someone actually was open and vulnerable enough with

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Speaker 2: you to share that information, don't use it to don't, don't.

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Speaker 1: Don't organize them. Yeah, yeah, so I agree again, is

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Speaker 1: it cool or crazy?

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Speaker 3: I think it's cool.

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Speaker 1: I think it's cool. It can get cringe if you

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Speaker 1: be chatting it up, you go about that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, And if a friend tells you, you don't go

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Speaker 3: tell other people.

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Speaker 2: No, that's just between you and a friend, like me,

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Speaker 2: Gianna and like one other person could be in a

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Speaker 2: room together.

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Speaker 1: If Gianna tell me some information, I heard it.

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Speaker 2: If the walls, if oh gosh, lord, what would happen?

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Speaker 1: Then well, we want to know from you all.

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Speaker 2: Are you all having conversations around salary with your coworkers, family, friends,

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Speaker 2: loved ones, strangers on the street.

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Speaker 1: Like how how open are we?

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Speaker 2: I want to know what's the level of open what's

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Speaker 2: the level of openness these days?

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Speaker 1: Let us know.

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Speaker 2: But in the meantime, thank you guys so much for

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Speaker 2: listening to another fun, slightly chaotic, but very action packed episode.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, we always end on the chaotic noise.

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Speaker 1: Always gotta go out strong.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, you guys can let us know your take

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