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Speaker 1: This is my legacy. Welcome to this week's bonus Drop. Today,

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Speaker 1: Sophia Bush and her rider die Nea Bats share what

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Speaker 1: fifteen years of friendship have taught them about showing up,

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Speaker 1: speaking truth, and knowing when it's time to dance it out.

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Speaker 2: Sophia, I want to start with you. Can you share

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Speaker 2: a story or a memory from your childhood that gives

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Speaker 2: us a snapshot of what it was like for you

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Speaker 3: I've thought a lot about this, and I don't know

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Speaker 3: but I think this is something I've been able to

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Speaker 3: reflect on in our adult lives together, and certainly something

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Speaker 3: that I've been thinking about as we try to figure

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Speaker 3: out this sort of one hundred year cycle, and we're

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Speaker 3: in the world where the same kinds of fear mongering

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Speaker 3: that took hold in the nineteen twenties, it seems to

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Speaker 3: be back. You know, how do you understand why even

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Speaker 3: though humans are supposed to know better And for our

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Speaker 3: friends listening at home, I'm doing the air quotes thing. Apologies,

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Speaker 3: I realize you can't see me. I want to understand

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Speaker 3: why people can so easily be convinced to be afraid

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Speaker 3: of each other. And I think one of the things

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Speaker 3: that reflecting on that has taught me to look at

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Speaker 3: and really be so in awe of in my childhood.

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Speaker 3: Though I come with, you know, scars and childhood trauma

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Speaker 3: and all the things everybody has in their own kind

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Speaker 3: I think my parents did so beautifully for me, was

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Speaker 3: they exposed me to so much. You know, we talk

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Speaker 3: a lot about privilege, especially for white women in a

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Speaker 3: and that voted the way it did as a voting block. Unfortunately,

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Speaker 3: my greatest privilege, I believe, is the privilege I was

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Speaker 3: given growing up the daughter of a father who is

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Speaker 3: an immigrant, the daughter of a mother whose mother was

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Speaker 3: the American dream. And I grew up in Los Angeles

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Speaker 3: a gorgeous melting pot. It meant that in the nineties

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Speaker 3: and junior high and high school, like you know, I

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Speaker 3: to the Taco trucks and go watch basketball games, and

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Speaker 3: grow up in my dad's art studio, surrounded by a

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Speaker 3: really diverse, really queer community, where my fabulous uncle Jeff,

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Speaker 3: Like I grew up around people who are so beautifully

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Speaker 3: and I was only ever the better for it. And

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Speaker 3: I think it's that privilege of exposure and that particular

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Speaker 3: time where you know, art was just on fire, a

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Speaker 3: And I think it's probably even why when Nia and

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Speaker 3: we did, Why I was so excited to hear about

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Speaker 3: her family's story, her family's American dream, her grandfather, the

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Speaker 3: the kinds of history we all know that so many

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Speaker 3: black men in his age group came from, and what

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Speaker 3: he built as a legacy, and what her father built

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Speaker 3: as a legacy, and what her father taught her as

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Speaker 3: her bonus dad. Like I think, the gift that my

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Speaker 3: parents gave to me of loving people for who they

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Speaker 3: who is my partner in all things, and be so

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Speaker 3: absolutely enamored with who she is as a person and

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Speaker 3: think I've been reflecting on a lot, particularly watching her

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Speaker 3: thanks to my partner, I think we're really really reflecting

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Speaker 4: What a rich answer. And it's interesting because I was

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Speaker 4: just talking to someone yesterday about just kind of where

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Speaker 4: I always tell people is that it's when you start

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Speaker 4: othering and you lose the humanity and you don't see

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Speaker 4: humanity in others. That's how we start getting down that

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Speaker 4: slippery slope of where we are and what's going on today.

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Speaker 5: In my opinion, we love it if you could share

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Speaker 5: this episode with someone who you admire, someone who shows

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Speaker 5: up for you, who cares about you, who lives their

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Speaker 5: legacy every day. We'll be back in a moment. Now

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Speaker 5: back to my legacy, Niah. You have this incredible passion

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Speaker 5: for activism and changing the world. Was there a certain

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Speaker 6: Yeah, well, I'm you know, my parents actually met in

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Speaker 6: so I think that you know the law justice systems

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Speaker 6: You know, I also been born and raised in Detroit,

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Speaker 6: also had a solidly upper middle class background in that

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Speaker 6: the responsibility to do the same thing for myself, for

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Speaker 6: But you know, to who much is given, not much

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Speaker 6: It very much was about understanding people, being exposed to

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Speaker 6: And I think that being able to do that at

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Speaker 6: I at a very young age, really started to connect

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Speaker 6: We're like, we understand what's happening here?

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Speaker 4: Can we underscore that. I love when Nia, when you

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Speaker 4: just said that the systems are not broken, they actually

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Speaker 5: And I also want to just commend the two of you,

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Speaker 3: If I, if I may follow on to that compliment

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Speaker 4: Like, oh my god, we just lost it.

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Speaker 6: We were like, our.

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Speaker 3: Idols want us to come on their show, and so

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Speaker 3: So thank you. Yeah, you and your legacy and your

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Speaker 3: family and the work you all you all do in

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Speaker 3: also really gave us a nice, like thirteen year old

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm going to do one thing because you can

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Speaker 6: totally edit this out also, but I want to go

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Speaker 6: and get this record that's here because I just think

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Speaker 6: it's so important to be able to show you. So

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Speaker 6: we Sophie and I had a business in Detroit and

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Speaker 6: my dad gave us his record collection, well loaned it

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Speaker 6: because we played records. But this is one record that when.

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Speaker 4: I started to say the homage to Detroit, I was

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Speaker 4: getting ready to say, yeah, does anyone know the history?

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Speaker 4: I have a dream. We were We were with Gloria

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Speaker 4: and that is what Nia is holding, an actual record

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Speaker 6: My dad was here and he was sitting in the

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Speaker 6: I guess we'll see the photo, but he heard Mahelia

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Speaker 6: we we play this record. I have it in my

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Speaker 4: And it shows that there's no such things as coincidence,

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Speaker 4: and this entire circle, it also, I think speaks to

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Speaker 4: and doing your part. Correta Scott King always says that

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Speaker 4: freedom is never She always said that freedom is never

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Speaker 4: salute both of you all for continuing and doing your

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Speaker 6: And I'm crying, I know, I'm just I can't believe.

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Speaker 6: It's just like what a special in full circle like moment.

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Speaker 6: I mean, my birthday is January fourteenth, and so MLK

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Speaker 6: very poignant moment about you know, thinking about like what

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Speaker 6: And I feel, you know, like I'm in one of

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Speaker 4: We have to to each other now more than ever,

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Speaker 4: and that's why we also have this realize the dream

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Speaker 4: which is for we are hoping to ignite a youth movement,

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Speaker 4: to come together, stand together and work together to realize

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Speaker 4: the dream of Martin Luther King Junior by committing one

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Speaker 4: hundred million hours of service collectively together by his one

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Speaker 4: hundredth birthday in twenty twenty nine.

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Speaker 6: Wow, that's great. I know it's up.

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Speaker 4: Okay, we will definitely be Yeah, we'll be calling you

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Speaker 5: This has been such an incredible conversation. You both speak

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Speaker 5: so beautifully about your chosen family. What's something you've learned

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Speaker 6: Nia you first with Sophia. I don't think there's anyone

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Speaker 6: I don't know if we're going to be able to

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Speaker 6: she has and how fully she shows up for everyone

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Speaker 6: sometimes exhausting to watch, But I joy so deeply watching

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Speaker 6: anyone like that who enjoys doing it. And it's just

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Speaker 6: really fun to be around. And I think also, you know,

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Speaker 6: life can be really heavy. There's moments that feel sad,

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Speaker 6: and a lot of our time together is very serious,

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Speaker 6: just running our business. But it's such a reminder that

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Speaker 6: you can just like blow in and have twenty four

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Speaker 3: I love that because I was going to say, You've

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Speaker 3: taught me two things simultaneously, which is that my desire

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Speaker 3: to say yes all the way is wonderful. You know,

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Speaker 3: you really champion that I want to go to the

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Speaker 3: end of the road and see all the things and

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Speaker 3: learn all the things. And you've also taught me patience

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Speaker 3: can go hand in hand with that. I've learned to

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Speaker 3: not feel like it's such a buyinarrea yes or no.

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Speaker 3: say yes and explore why, and then also analyze what

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Speaker 3: been so beautiful because I think I have learned to

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Speaker 3: better assess the fullness of life watching the way she operates.

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Speaker 3: And I also just love that sometimes. You know. We

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Speaker 3: love you, but I'm absolutely not doing that, and I

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Speaker 6: And I was like, look at that, look at that.

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Speaker 3: We're not going to do this, so we can do

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Speaker 3: this other thing. And you were correct, And I love

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I think life of the grand adventure and that's

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Speaker 6: how we've always lived it.

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: It's like that Larroneil Hurston quote. There's years that ask question,

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Speaker 6: in years that answer, and we've had these years of

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Speaker 6: that we're saying yes to as many things as we can,

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Speaker 6: and then immediately by the time we got into the

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Speaker 6: next year, we're like, this year is about learning boundaries

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Speaker 6: and what we have to say no to. But what's

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Speaker 6: interesting is like we're always kind of exploring those themes

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Speaker 6: And then you know I'm the person that presents as

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Speaker 6: you know, Dan, it's fun and I'm so grateful to

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Speaker 5: I can't think of a better way to like end

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Speaker 5: than that. Sincerely. I just love the tribute between the

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Speaker 5: two of you there, and I love the quote there

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Speaker 5: are years that ask questions and years that answer. So

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Speaker 5: thank you for sharing your legacy with us today.

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