1 00:00:01,320 --> 00:00:04,240 Speaker 1: Welcome to Stuff you missed in History Class, A production 2 00:00:04,400 --> 00:00:14,440 Speaker 1: of iHeartRadio, Hello and Happy Friday and Holly Fry and 3 00:00:14,520 --> 00:00:19,439 Speaker 1: I'm Tracy V. Wilson. We talked about eponymous fruit this week, 4 00:00:19,600 --> 00:00:22,920 Speaker 1: Uh huh, which you tickled me by saying you did 5 00:00:22,960 --> 00:00:24,400 Speaker 1: not realize those were eponymous. 6 00:00:24,640 --> 00:00:27,640 Speaker 2: No, the barb hair was the only one. I mean, 7 00:00:27,840 --> 00:00:31,800 Speaker 2: it makes total sense that boison berry. 8 00:00:30,680 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: But Clementines doesn't really flag that way to me either. Yeah. 9 00:00:34,800 --> 00:00:37,760 Speaker 2: Well, and uh, you know when you set this to 10 00:00:37,920 --> 00:00:40,360 Speaker 2: me and I was like, eponamous fruits, I wonder what 11 00:00:40,440 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 2: they are, probably Bartlet pair. And then I got to 12 00:00:43,000 --> 00:00:45,559 Speaker 2: the first person's last name being Boys, and I was like, 13 00:00:45,680 --> 00:00:51,080 Speaker 2: what that was not what I expected at all. I 14 00:00:51,159 --> 00:00:54,920 Speaker 2: am sure I have had boys and berry preserves, it's 15 00:00:54,960 --> 00:00:58,560 Speaker 2: just never been like in the rotation of their show, 16 00:00:58,720 --> 00:01:01,400 Speaker 2: so good regular things that I eat. 17 00:01:02,240 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: They're so good. Yeah, I love them. Yeah, we ate 18 00:01:06,720 --> 00:01:08,120 Speaker 1: like I said, we ate them all. I think they 19 00:01:08,120 --> 00:01:10,600 Speaker 1: were my dad's favorite for a long time, so they 20 00:01:10,640 --> 00:01:15,160 Speaker 1: often went on like waffles or were served with pancakes 21 00:01:15,400 --> 00:01:18,760 Speaker 1: or toasts. That was kind of a breakfast staple for us. 22 00:01:18,959 --> 00:01:24,119 Speaker 2: So most of the jelly type stuff Preserve jams. All 23 00:01:24,160 --> 00:01:30,320 Speaker 2: of that that we ate as children, Yeah, was homemade, right, 24 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:35,280 Speaker 2: homemade by my grandmother. And these it was a I 25 00:01:35,280 --> 00:01:39,240 Speaker 2: feel like either muscadines or scuppernongs, which I don't think 26 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,440 Speaker 2: are the same thing, but are both grapes, but they 27 00:01:43,440 --> 00:01:47,480 Speaker 2: don't taste like the grapes at the grocery store that 28 00:01:47,520 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 2: are just like red and green table grapes. And any 29 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:55,280 Speaker 2: other jelly type thing that we ate at home was 30 00:01:55,400 --> 00:02:00,400 Speaker 2: mostly like we got biscuits. Yeah, that came with the 31 00:02:00,440 --> 00:02:03,080 Speaker 2: little container like the little jelly packets. 32 00:02:03,600 --> 00:02:06,360 Speaker 1: Yeah. We also did a lot of boisonberry syrup at 33 00:02:06,360 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 1: our house. Okay, Yeah, which, now that I'm saying the 34 00:02:09,480 --> 00:02:13,399 Speaker 1: phrase boisonberry syrup, I'm like, I gotta make a cocktail 35 00:02:13,480 --> 00:02:14,520 Speaker 1: with some boisonberry syrup. 36 00:02:14,520 --> 00:02:15,280 Speaker 2: I gotta get on that. 37 00:02:15,520 --> 00:02:18,280 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I it would be great for cocktails, especially 38 00:02:18,360 --> 00:02:22,520 Speaker 1: because it was not as thick as like a some 39 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,360 Speaker 1: other syrups you would have like on pancakes, so its 40 00:02:25,440 --> 00:02:29,000 Speaker 1: viscosity is kind of better to mix with things without 41 00:02:29,040 --> 00:02:31,920 Speaker 1: having to thin it. Oh. I have ideas. I have 42 00:02:32,000 --> 00:02:32,639 Speaker 1: so many ideas. 43 00:02:32,680 --> 00:02:33,720 Speaker 2: I'm so excited about this. 44 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:39,200 Speaker 1: I think that's we're gonna have boisonberry mohidos this summer. 45 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 1: That's what I think is going to happen at our house. 46 00:02:42,240 --> 00:02:46,079 Speaker 1: There was one very silly thing in this episode that 47 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:49,000 Speaker 1: tickled me in a way that maybe is just a 48 00:02:49,040 --> 00:02:52,400 Speaker 1: me thing. The fact that there's a Small Fruit Division 49 00:02:56,240 --> 00:02:59,200 Speaker 1: of the USDA just tickled me because in my brain, 50 00:02:59,360 --> 00:03:04,840 Speaker 1: here's what happened. And I'm sure you have seen the 51 00:03:04,960 --> 00:03:11,440 Speaker 1: graphical image of Joy Division, the cover of Joy Division's 52 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:23,000 Speaker 1: Unknown Pleasures album. It's actually a neutron stars like graph 53 00:03:23,200 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: is what it is. But it's very popular and it 54 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:27,520 Speaker 1: gets it gets spoofed by a lot of other things. 55 00:03:27,800 --> 00:03:30,120 Speaker 1: And in my head, there's a T shirt out there 56 00:03:30,160 --> 00:03:33,240 Speaker 1: called Small Fruit Division and it looks like that, but 57 00:03:33,280 --> 00:03:36,160 Speaker 1: it's made of fruits, so funny, weird, black and white. 58 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:39,520 Speaker 1: Do you know the cover I'm talking about? Yeah, yeah, yeah, 59 00:03:39,560 --> 00:03:41,400 Speaker 1: I love it. Also love Joy Divisions. 60 00:03:41,440 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 2: So you know, I have now clarified in my own 61 00:03:43,560 --> 00:03:46,800 Speaker 2: mind that scuppernongs are a type of muscadine. 62 00:03:47,480 --> 00:03:50,960 Speaker 1: There you go, yeah, there you go. Anyway, Small Fruit 63 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:53,600 Speaker 1: Division the other thing that I wanted to mention because 64 00:03:53,600 --> 00:03:56,000 Speaker 1: we got into its origination point but not its end. 65 00:03:57,040 --> 00:03:59,720 Speaker 1: Algeria did not get out from under France's thumb until 66 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:04,680 Speaker 1: night sixty two. It was a long time anyway, just 67 00:04:04,720 --> 00:04:12,720 Speaker 1: deserves a mention because you know, colonizing, speaking of places 68 00:04:12,720 --> 00:04:17,159 Speaker 1: in northern Africa colonized by France. We're going to Morocco 69 00:04:17,240 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: in November. 70 00:04:17,960 --> 00:04:21,160 Speaker 2: We sure are seems like a good enough place to 71 00:04:21,240 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 2: drop in a mention of that. I just liked at 72 00:04:23,000 --> 00:04:26,719 Speaker 2: the website this morning. The single room rate is currently 73 00:04:26,720 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 2: sold out. Yeah, so people traveling solo currently sold out? 74 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 2: Are still rooms for two travelers together if you are 75 00:04:36,839 --> 00:04:41,000 Speaker 2: a couple or traveling with a friend. I would imagine 76 00:04:41,040 --> 00:04:43,599 Speaker 2: if you are traveling by yourself and you're like, oh no, 77 00:04:44,160 --> 00:04:48,719 Speaker 2: I wanted to go drop define destinations a note, and 78 00:04:48,800 --> 00:04:51,040 Speaker 2: if anyone else is in that same boat, they may 79 00:04:51,080 --> 00:04:54,760 Speaker 2: be able to, you know, work out a roommate situation. 80 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:58,680 Speaker 1: Yeah, our friends have. One of my friends has done 81 00:04:58,680 --> 00:05:01,840 Speaker 1: that on our trips before and that worked out just fine. Yeah. 82 00:05:01,960 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, I absolutely understand the impulse to want to have 83 00:05:07,000 --> 00:05:10,719 Speaker 2: a room for yourself. I have paid the solo room 84 00:05:10,760 --> 00:05:14,160 Speaker 2: for yourself premium on trips that I've taken before. But 85 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:17,799 Speaker 2: you know, this tends to be a really fun kind 86 00:05:17,920 --> 00:05:21,240 Speaker 2: group of people who you know, tries to support and 87 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:22,680 Speaker 2: be respectful of one another. 88 00:05:22,480 --> 00:05:22,960 Speaker 1: On the trip. 89 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:28,000 Speaker 2: Defined destinations dot com if you want to learn more 90 00:05:28,040 --> 00:05:33,960 Speaker 2: about that. That was my interjection about our Morocco trip. Yeah, 91 00:05:34,040 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 2: I love those trips. Everybody kind of feels like family 92 00:05:36,720 --> 00:05:39,200 Speaker 2: by the end of it, which is really nice. Yeah, 93 00:05:39,240 --> 00:05:42,880 Speaker 2: we were able to add some slots to our trip 94 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:46,000 Speaker 2: to Iceland. I don't think that is possible with this 95 00:05:46,080 --> 00:05:49,240 Speaker 2: one because some of the places we are staying, like 96 00:05:49,320 --> 00:05:51,480 Speaker 2: the number of rooms is very fixed limited. 97 00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:55,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would like to talk about pairs for just 98 00:05:56,320 --> 00:06:01,200 Speaker 1: do it. They're delicious. I love pairs, love them so much. 99 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:03,359 Speaker 2: I'm going to confess that I did not come to 100 00:06:03,440 --> 00:06:07,880 Speaker 2: love pears until I was an adult because being in 101 00:06:07,960 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: the sort of family that would be buying the regular 102 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: oranges and not the clementines. In my childhood, we just 103 00:06:16,720 --> 00:06:20,839 Speaker 2: we did not really have fresh pears. Ever, the only 104 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:24,280 Speaker 2: pears I really experienced as a child were canned pears, 105 00:06:24,320 --> 00:06:27,440 Speaker 2: which are not Yeah they're fine, I don't mind them, 106 00:06:27,480 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: I'll eat them, but they're not as good as a 107 00:06:29,160 --> 00:06:33,960 Speaker 2: fresh pair. And the texture weirded me out of canned pears. 108 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:37,440 Speaker 2: When I was like, yeah, I didn't like that, and 109 00:06:37,520 --> 00:06:39,520 Speaker 2: I can't I could not tell you where was the 110 00:06:39,560 --> 00:06:41,600 Speaker 2: first time or when was the first time that I 111 00:06:41,640 --> 00:06:44,080 Speaker 2: had a pair as a grown up, but I was like, wow, 112 00:06:44,440 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: I have been missing out, I think because you know, 113 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,560 Speaker 2: there's a lot of friendliness in my in my youth, 114 00:06:57,160 --> 00:06:59,400 Speaker 2: I ate a lot of pear tarts very early. 115 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 1: On business is dolugus. It's a very popular tart in 116 00:07:03,680 --> 00:07:07,680 Speaker 1: French baking. Yeah, I'm literally thinking about it, and Drew like, 117 00:07:07,760 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 1: my brain just went to that, like eye roll, buttery sweet. 118 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:21,600 Speaker 1: I love them. I love them. I wonder every time 119 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 1: we do an eponymous foods, have I exhausted them? And 120 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,280 Speaker 1: I would have said I had last time, and then 121 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:32,480 Speaker 1: I just randomly was like, oh what about fruit the 122 00:07:32,520 --> 00:07:37,760 Speaker 1: other night? Well, a lot, but not all of the 123 00:07:37,800 --> 00:07:41,640 Speaker 1: eponymous foods that we have talked about are dishes, right, 124 00:07:42,040 --> 00:07:44,720 Speaker 1: and not a plant? Not all of them, but yeah, 125 00:07:44,720 --> 00:07:47,440 Speaker 1: the first one was the Granny Smith apple, So yeah, 126 00:07:47,480 --> 00:07:49,800 Speaker 1: not all of them. But yeah, I always wonder are 127 00:07:49,800 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 1: we done? The answer is no, so we'll see. There 128 00:07:54,200 --> 00:07:56,760 Speaker 1: could be more. I don't know. There may be more 129 00:07:56,800 --> 00:08:01,800 Speaker 1: spite houses. I don't know. Maybe those are also fun. Listen, 130 00:08:02,640 --> 00:08:04,320 Speaker 1: I love a grudge. We need the fun. 131 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:17,240 Speaker 2: One of our episodes. This week was an unexpected episode 132 00:08:17,280 --> 00:08:19,760 Speaker 2: to focus on two people instead of one person, which 133 00:08:19,840 --> 00:08:21,640 Speaker 2: was not what I was expecting when I was going 134 00:08:21,680 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 2: into it. So Thomas J. Dorsey, William Henry Dorsey. I 135 00:08:26,480 --> 00:08:30,640 Speaker 2: was intending initially to focus just on William Henry Dorsey, 136 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:34,000 Speaker 2: and I thought just from a quick glance that there 137 00:08:34,000 --> 00:08:38,160 Speaker 2: would be enough information to do that, And then I 138 00:08:38,640 --> 00:08:41,280 Speaker 2: found that that was not exactly the case, because there 139 00:08:41,320 --> 00:08:43,760 Speaker 2: just are some gaps on you know, what we know 140 00:08:43,880 --> 00:08:47,479 Speaker 2: about him as a person, his life before his adulthood, 141 00:08:47,520 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: stuff like that. And then I, you know, as I 142 00:08:51,320 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: was looking at this, I was like, oh, and his 143 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:59,520 Speaker 2: father really part of establishing the catering industry as in Philadelphia. 144 00:08:59,600 --> 00:09:05,680 Speaker 2: That's a whole additional story. And without his father's leaving 145 00:09:05,760 --> 00:09:09,559 Speaker 2: him a trust, William would not really have been able 146 00:09:09,600 --> 00:09:15,160 Speaker 2: to just spend his time largely focused on developing these collections, right, 147 00:09:16,080 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: doing what he wanted, doing what he wanted to do, yeah, 148 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:25,360 Speaker 2: and really doing a you know, important work preserving the 149 00:09:25,400 --> 00:09:29,480 Speaker 2: history of the black community of Philadelphia and elsewhere. I 150 00:09:29,640 --> 00:09:32,440 Speaker 2: did not have any idea before I got into this 151 00:09:32,640 --> 00:09:36,160 Speaker 2: that Philadelphia is seen as the birthplace of the catering 152 00:09:36,280 --> 00:09:37,840 Speaker 2: industry in the United States. 153 00:09:37,920 --> 00:09:42,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, me either. That's fascinating to me. I guess I 154 00:09:42,600 --> 00:09:47,480 Speaker 1: had not ever thought of it in terms of there 155 00:09:47,520 --> 00:09:51,200 Speaker 1: being a moment that it became an industry per se, 156 00:09:51,280 --> 00:09:53,600 Speaker 1: do you know what I mean? Yeah, in my head, 157 00:09:54,200 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 1: it's I hadn't really put a lot of thought into it. 158 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:01,000 Speaker 1: But I think I just presumed it kind of grew 159 00:10:01,040 --> 00:10:06,440 Speaker 1: out of restaurants slowly just doing large scale delivery, yeah, 160 00:10:06,600 --> 00:10:10,120 Speaker 1: instead of specifically being like, no, no, we're a caterer, 161 00:10:10,280 --> 00:10:11,439 Speaker 1: not a restaurant. Yeah. 162 00:10:11,520 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: A lot of the people that developed this industry in 163 00:10:13,760 --> 00:10:16,760 Speaker 2: Philadelphia did start with having a restaurant, and their restaurant 164 00:10:16,800 --> 00:10:19,640 Speaker 2: was a place that was sort of the focal point 165 00:10:19,679 --> 00:10:20,880 Speaker 2: of where all the food came from. 166 00:10:21,000 --> 00:10:22,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, but it makes. 167 00:10:22,080 --> 00:10:24,360 Speaker 2: A lot of sense that, you know, if we go 168 00:10:24,800 --> 00:10:28,760 Speaker 2: farther back into history, you might have and I guess 169 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:33,080 Speaker 2: we still have royalty who have a whole staff of 170 00:10:33,200 --> 00:10:39,680 Speaker 2: kitchen workers who are preparing all the food for big 171 00:10:39,720 --> 00:10:46,400 Speaker 2: banquets and things, and having people, whether they are paid 172 00:10:46,480 --> 00:10:51,120 Speaker 2: kitchen help or paid kitchen help directed by a member 173 00:10:51,160 --> 00:10:54,760 Speaker 2: of the family or an enslaved staff, like a lot 174 00:10:54,800 --> 00:10:58,080 Speaker 2: of people doing this kind of work, and in this 175 00:10:58,240 --> 00:11:03,960 Speaker 2: transition period after the abolition of slavery and or the 176 00:11:04,000 --> 00:11:10,319 Speaker 2: abolition of slavery specifically in Philadelphia, and before the development 177 00:11:10,520 --> 00:11:15,160 Speaker 2: of like enormous luxury hotels with paid staff in a 178 00:11:15,160 --> 00:11:18,280 Speaker 2: slightly different context, right, there was this kind of window 179 00:11:18,840 --> 00:11:27,200 Speaker 2: of catering as its own, newly developing industry. Of course, 180 00:11:27,240 --> 00:11:30,240 Speaker 2: there are obviously still great caterers. 181 00:11:31,480 --> 00:11:34,800 Speaker 1: This is yet another time when my brain automatically thinks 182 00:11:34,840 --> 00:11:38,120 Speaker 1: of a Bob's Burgers thing and starts giggling. Oh, yes, 183 00:11:38,400 --> 00:11:41,880 Speaker 1: we talked about restaurateurs. I think of Linda Belcher saying 184 00:11:41,920 --> 00:11:44,760 Speaker 1: restaurosaur and I love it so much. Oh funny, I'm 185 00:11:44,760 --> 00:11:49,520 Speaker 1: as funny. Culture is the best thing maybe on TV. 186 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:53,840 Speaker 1: Ever that isn't and or so you know, Yeah, I 187 00:11:54,240 --> 00:12:00,000 Speaker 1: love this idea of scrap booking being actually important because 188 00:12:00,000 --> 00:12:02,880 Speaker 1: because we think about it as a thing that people 189 00:12:02,960 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: do as a cute hobby that isn't given a lot 190 00:12:07,320 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 1: of weight in terms of what it can be. And 191 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:14,840 Speaker 1: I really really liked this idea of the way Dorsey 192 00:12:15,040 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 1: very carefully assembled these so that you would have the 193 00:12:20,400 --> 00:12:24,440 Speaker 1: white perspective of an event next to the black perspective 194 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:26,760 Speaker 1: of an event, like I don't think there's a better 195 00:12:26,800 --> 00:12:33,160 Speaker 1: way to teach right, right, how bias works right in media, Like, 196 00:12:33,240 --> 00:12:36,320 Speaker 1: that's a really cool way to do it at a time, 197 00:12:36,520 --> 00:12:40,120 Speaker 1: well before our digital age where people do those kinds 198 00:12:40,160 --> 00:12:42,240 Speaker 1: of things now all the time, But there wasn't a 199 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:44,200 Speaker 1: lot of that going on at this point. Yeah. 200 00:12:44,400 --> 00:12:47,360 Speaker 2: Yeah, he also preserved a lot of clippings of things 201 00:12:47,400 --> 00:12:49,920 Speaker 2: that we might not have any actual copies of the 202 00:12:49,960 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: publication at this point, right, because Yeah, these three hundred 203 00:12:53,760 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 2: and eighty eight scrap books took up a whole lot 204 00:12:55,640 --> 00:12:58,079 Speaker 2: of room, but they took up a whole lot less 205 00:12:58,200 --> 00:13:02,840 Speaker 2: room than every cop of every paper and every magazine 206 00:13:02,840 --> 00:13:06,559 Speaker 2: that he was clipping out of. So it was simultaneously 207 00:13:08,200 --> 00:13:12,040 Speaker 2: a lot of space and a way to preserve things 208 00:13:12,080 --> 00:13:14,439 Speaker 2: that did not take as much space as if he 209 00:13:14,480 --> 00:13:17,800 Speaker 2: had tried to, you know, have shelves and shelves and 210 00:13:17,840 --> 00:13:21,560 Speaker 2: shelves of every single copy of every black newspaper in 211 00:13:21,600 --> 00:13:23,000 Speaker 2: Pennsylvania or something like that. 212 00:13:23,240 --> 00:13:26,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, listen, I watch a lot of Bravo. I want 213 00:13:26,400 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: to know what happened between him and his wife. 214 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:34,319 Speaker 2: I don't do, and I didn't find any information about that. 215 00:13:34,360 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 2: There's a lot of stuff that have in episodes that 216 00:13:37,559 --> 00:13:42,120 Speaker 2: I've worked on lately where it seems like information about 217 00:13:42,160 --> 00:13:46,320 Speaker 2: something might exist, but I just don't have it, and 218 00:13:46,440 --> 00:13:49,640 Speaker 2: I don't I have no idea what happens between him 219 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:52,720 Speaker 2: and his wife. I'm really curious about what the story 220 00:13:52,800 --> 00:13:57,240 Speaker 2: is regarding William's marriage to Virginia cash In. It seems 221 00:13:57,360 --> 00:14:03,680 Speaker 2: most likely, based on just numbers, that Virginia's family had 222 00:14:03,720 --> 00:14:08,880 Speaker 2: been enslaved in Georgia and that they escaped from slavery 223 00:14:09,000 --> 00:14:13,800 Speaker 2: and went north. It is possible that that's not the case. 224 00:14:13,800 --> 00:14:16,840 Speaker 2: It just is more likely that they had been enslaved 225 00:14:16,840 --> 00:14:22,320 Speaker 2: in Georgia, and we know for sure that some of 226 00:14:22,400 --> 00:14:27,600 Speaker 2: Virginia's family had had gone to Philadelphia. It's not specifically 227 00:14:27,640 --> 00:14:31,120 Speaker 2: documented that Virginia had gone with them, but it does 228 00:14:31,120 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 2: seem like the most likely scenario to me. 229 00:14:35,440 --> 00:14:36,680 Speaker 1: Right. It does not. 230 00:14:38,440 --> 00:14:42,920 Speaker 2: Seem as likely that he went all the way to 231 00:14:43,320 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 2: Georgia and got married there and brought his wife back 232 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 2: with him. Again, that's possible, But as soon as I 233 00:14:50,680 --> 00:14:54,320 Speaker 2: read that, I was like, that seems what's the story there? 234 00:14:54,400 --> 00:15:00,240 Speaker 2: Like that because the book that made that reference, it's like, 235 00:15:00,280 --> 00:15:03,400 Speaker 2: doesn't even really say how the two of them would 236 00:15:03,400 --> 00:15:05,640 Speaker 2: have even known each other. She just sort of comes 237 00:15:05,640 --> 00:15:06,360 Speaker 2: out of nowhere. 238 00:15:07,560 --> 00:15:13,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that whole two completely different stories of where 239 00:15:13,440 --> 00:15:16,040 Speaker 1: they got married. My initial thought was like, oh, were 240 00:15:16,080 --> 00:15:20,080 Speaker 1: they doing it the way people often do it today, 241 00:15:20,160 --> 00:15:24,680 Speaker 1: where you have, like us, the legal ceremony in one place, 242 00:15:25,200 --> 00:15:28,680 Speaker 1: maybe a reception somewhere else to accommodate all of the 243 00:15:28,680 --> 00:15:32,440 Speaker 1: people that But this scenario where they would have been 244 00:15:32,480 --> 00:15:34,960 Speaker 1: in the Deep South when it was a slave state, 245 00:15:35,240 --> 00:15:37,720 Speaker 1: doesn't seem like it would have really been an option 246 00:15:37,920 --> 00:15:43,040 Speaker 1: to work that way. Yeah, it's I don't who knows. 247 00:15:43,320 --> 00:15:47,000 Speaker 2: I have a lot of questions about that. And also, 248 00:15:47,120 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: I mean people did escape from enslavement in the Deep South. 249 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:54,360 Speaker 2: That did happened, for sure, but it was a lot 250 00:15:54,400 --> 00:15:56,880 Speaker 2: of the people who were liberating themselves were more in 251 00:15:56,960 --> 00:16:00,000 Speaker 2: border states and were able to get to free territory 252 00:16:00,320 --> 00:16:02,400 Speaker 2: more easily. So anyway, I just I have a bunch 253 00:16:02,440 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 2: of questions. Yeah, yes, that I did not know the 254 00:16:07,040 --> 00:16:09,680 Speaker 2: answer to. And had I had the answers to all 255 00:16:09,720 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 2: of these questions, probably we would have wound up with 256 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:17,600 Speaker 2: one episode on Thomas and one episode on Williams, rather 257 00:16:17,680 --> 00:16:21,800 Speaker 2: than one episode combining the both of them. But anyway, 258 00:16:21,840 --> 00:16:23,880 Speaker 2: I do find them both very interesting. I find the 259 00:16:23,920 --> 00:16:27,160 Speaker 2: whole catering industry part very interesting, and also all of 260 00:16:27,160 --> 00:16:29,800 Speaker 2: the scrap booking part, which is really what had caught 261 00:16:29,800 --> 00:16:31,360 Speaker 2: my eye when I said that I was going to 262 00:16:31,360 --> 00:16:33,880 Speaker 2: do an episode on him. 263 00:16:33,920 --> 00:16:34,760 Speaker 1: Marvelous. 264 00:16:35,400 --> 00:16:38,880 Speaker 2: Yeah, so whatever's coming up on your weekend, if you're 265 00:16:38,920 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 2: going to have a delicious catered meal, or if you're 266 00:16:41,400 --> 00:16:44,360 Speaker 2: gonna go do a little scrap booking or something else entirely, 267 00:16:44,720 --> 00:16:47,520 Speaker 2: I hope it's great. We will be back with a 268 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:55,560 Speaker 2: Saturday Classic tomorrow. 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