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Speaker 1: Really dalks.

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Speaker 2: Look at us now, tip to tip. This is our life,

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Speaker 2: this is our passion. That's the spirit we bring to

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Speaker 2: this show. I'm Luke Thomas, I'm Brian Campbell.

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Speaker 1: This this Morning.

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Speaker 3: Combat, back like a bad habit on a Monday, and

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Speaker 3: as washed as ever.

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Speaker 1: Hi.

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Speaker 3: Everyone, we are back home and it is time for

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Speaker 3: another edition of your favorite podcast. It's time for Morning Combat.

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Speaker 3: I am merely one half of your hosting duo. My

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Speaker 3: name is Luke Thomas. I'm joined by the Viceroy of Connecticut,

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Speaker 3: the Connecticut dirt bag himself, fresh off the bird, fresh

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Speaker 3: off the bird from Dallas.

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Speaker 1: How are you doing BC?

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Speaker 2: You're like this My co host is as washed as

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Speaker 2: Daniel Kinahan's war chest.

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Speaker 1: Luke, right, I don't even know what that means.

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Speaker 2: Uh, let me not lounder you any longer here, Luke.

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Speaker 2: Great to be back at it. A hell of a

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Speaker 2: time down there in Arlington, Texas for all things Spence

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Speaker 2: who guts hope everybody enjoyed the fight, the pay per view,

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Speaker 2: our reaction, all that good stuff. But we're back on

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Speaker 2: a loaded Monday, talking UFC, talking Bellator, talking about that,

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Speaker 2: talking about talking about Luke. Okay, that's what we do

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Speaker 2: talking about the podcast. All right, hey, you look, you know,

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Speaker 2: for a guy who just came off the damn weekend,

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Speaker 2: you look. You look happy, Luke, you look fit. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I wouldn't pay that. I wouldn't pay that kind of

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Speaker 2: money for that haircut, you know what I'm saying. But

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Speaker 2: it does look good, bro right.

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Speaker 3: Uh, I mean I feel halfway okay, but I'm still

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Speaker 3: pretty tired and dude traveling when in your forties. Man,

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Speaker 3: I used to be like in my twenties and be like, oh,

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Speaker 3: I'm so tired from traveling. And I'd be like, how

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Speaker 3: is that possible? You just sat on a plane for

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Speaker 3: you're like, oh right, this is much different than I

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Speaker 3: had imagined it being. But especially when they were playing

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they were pumping that that base down there at

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Speaker 2: Live by Low. Shout out to the find people there

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Speaker 1: That is that is zippy sleeping. You're you're screwed if

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Speaker 3: But anyway, we are back from Spence versus Ugas, which

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Speaker 3: we'll talk about a little bit. We have not gotten

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Speaker 3: what you're doing. Just will you knock it off?

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Speaker 1: All right. With that out of the way, let us

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Speaker 1: begin topic number one. BC. We were just in Dallas.

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Speaker 3: This was the most significant combat sports event of the weekend,

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Speaker 3: so we will start there.

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Speaker 1: But don't worry UFC fans. We'll get to UFC next.

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Speaker 3: But first things first, we see Errol Spence stops Joro

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Speaker 2: and you know, we found out what he still had left. Instead,

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Speaker 2: and and a gas tank that will break you down

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Speaker 2: and destroy you. Luke, I made this comparison to you afterwards.

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Speaker 2: I haven't seen an ability in a fighter to throw

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Speaker 2: a four or five punch combination and then without even

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Speaker 2: with more since Prime Manipaccio, since the Manipacio that was

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Speaker 2: on people. Errol Spence made a decision in this fight

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Speaker 2: Ugas and that he believed in his skills, his chin,

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Speaker 2: only did he finish one of the best, you know,

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Speaker 2: fifteen fighters in the world today, he broke his damn face, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I mean, he broke the orbitable. And so when Aerol

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Speaker 2: like in the future. It's time we start believing him. Luke.

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Speaker 2: I think the gap in the idea of who wins

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Speaker 2: their different performances, Who do you like more? This time?

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Speaker 2: I think that the stock on Spence could not be

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Speaker 2: this is a pretty damn remarkable performance we saw because

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Speaker 2: Ugas is that good and nobody does that to him,

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Speaker 2: and yet we're actually here at age thirty two, going

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Speaker 2: is this the best version of Earl Spence we've ever seen?

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Speaker 2: That's what I learned this weekend, Luke, that I don't

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Speaker 2: really know Spence's ceiling and when he's gonna go out

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Speaker 2: there with that motor and the skills to back it up.

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Speaker 2: Answer me this, Luke, who the hell's gonna stand in

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Speaker 2: that kitchen and take that shit? Hoo?

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Speaker 1: I don't know who? I don't know. I mean, here's

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Speaker 1: the funny thing about this to me.

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Speaker 3: I did a preview and I watched a bunch of

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Speaker 3: each of their fights and sort of settled on two

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Speaker 3: for Aerol Spence, hell Brooke and the Lamont Peterson fight.

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Speaker 1: Kind of funny he broke.

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Speaker 3: I know, Kelbrook was coming off of the face break

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Speaker 3: to Triple G when he went back down to face

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Speaker 3: Errol Spence. But then Erol Spence broke his other eye

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Speaker 3: in that fight, and here he is breaking now the

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Speaker 3: face of your Dennis Ugas.

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Speaker 1: You know, it's kind of funny.

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Speaker 3: He doesn't seem to have or he doesn't seem to

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Speaker 3: land those one big monstra shots like Tank Davis does,

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Speaker 3: but do He clearly puts on a lot of volume

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Speaker 3: on you, as everyone can see. But he can hit

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Speaker 3: real hard as well. He's got real debilitating power. As

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Speaker 3: what I would say, it just slowly, quite literally breaks these.

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Speaker 1: Guys over time. But BC, here's why I bring this up.

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Speaker 3: And looking at all their fights, I mean I watched

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Speaker 3: a bajillion of their fights trying to, you know, think

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Speaker 3: of how they might match up. In some ways they

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Speaker 3: did match up how I thought, but in other ways.

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Speaker 1: BC.

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Speaker 3: Yes, you have seen Errol Spence fight on the inside,

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Speaker 1: We'll have to see.

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Speaker 2: They there's a lot of boxers like him today or

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Speaker 2: You know, he ate some big right hand calendars from Ugas,

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Speaker 2: He more than doubled him every category. He dominated him.

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Speaker 2: So look to get people online, which I've seen some

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Speaker 2: again answered every single question. So, Luke, you know, I'm

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Speaker 2: of it looks like this. Canelo Aliva is number one,

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Speaker 2: How close is it in your eyes right now between

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Speaker 3: So someone asked me this question last week, not specifically

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Speaker 3: but I'll try to do that here.

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Speaker 1: I actually don't think there is a.

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Speaker 3: Narrow gap in terms of resume between Spence and Canal.

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Speaker 3: I think Canelo moving up weight classes and what he

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Speaker 3: it one sixty eight?

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Speaker 1: You unified?

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Speaker 3: You know we're talking about just an extraordinary achievement. Spence

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Speaker 3: Aerol Spence doesn't have. But dude, Errol Spence's ability to

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Speaker 3: just continuously find openings, create openings, and then create this

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Speaker 3: part of it is that he has big power. Part

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Speaker 3: It was a can continuous ability to thread a needle

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Speaker 3: But talent wise, there is a negligible difference between them,

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Speaker 2: Yes, I agree with you, and obviously Canelo floating in wait,

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Speaker 2: Obviously a new way. But man, we are talking about

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Speaker 2: Uh Man, Luke, Man, you know, I mean, look, we

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Speaker 2: all kind of not we all. I predicted. Look, this

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Speaker 2: it'll be seventy five eight four Spence, but it'll be clear. No, no, Luke,

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Speaker 2: I mean it was one way traffic, as you would say,

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Speaker 2: But I didn't think it would be this much destruction.

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Speaker 3: So I'll tell you what, Here's why I thought it

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Speaker 3: And so for that, like, Errol Spence very much surprised me.

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Speaker 3: But dude, you know this as well. You've seen his

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Speaker 2: I don't.

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Speaker 3: Sorry, I don't believe that at all. I think he was,

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Speaker 3: I'm sorry, I do not believe that. I don't think

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Speaker 3: it doesn't collapse, but you can see it slipping through

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Speaker 3: that's the thing about Spence. Part of it is, yes,

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Speaker 1: But the other part is he just doesn't stop.

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Speaker 3: And so because he takes things away from you, and

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Speaker 3: but the challenge will be, Dude, you're he's gonna keep

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Speaker 3: And I don't really know what the answer is. In mma,

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Speaker 3: My major takeaway was I didn't see him doing it

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Speaker 2: Well, this version of Spence is going to blow away

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Speaker 2: But to clean up that that final twenty percent of

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Speaker 2: is why God, would we have liked would we have

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Speaker 2: nobody wants to wait till Mayweather and Paki hour thirty

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Speaker 2: if they made this fight in twenty seventeen, you'd been

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Speaker 2: years ago, when we were already deep into hey boxing,

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00:19:46,600 --> 00:19:49,199
Speaker 2: you're fucking killing us, bro, we deserve this fight, you

432
00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:51,920
Speaker 2: still would have been excited. I think I'm more excited

433
00:19:52,000 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 2: right now, Luke, because I think Spence found another gear.

434
00:19:55,800 --> 00:19:58,520
Speaker 2: Crawford is as we saw in the Sean Porter fight,

435
00:19:58,640 --> 00:20:01,720
Speaker 2: he hasn't declined with age. When the when the challenge

436
00:20:02,040 --> 00:20:04,359
Speaker 2: is a bit is a greater one, he gets greater.

437
00:20:04,520 --> 00:20:08,040
Speaker 2: Terrence Crawford does this is this is this? Ain't me

438
00:20:08,160 --> 00:20:11,399
Speaker 2: company guy going? Please put put Spence Crawford on showtime

439
00:20:11,440 --> 00:20:12,720
Speaker 2: pay per views so I can be part of it

440
00:20:12,720 --> 00:20:15,720
Speaker 2: in cash checks. Although that's in play, believe that this

441
00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:18,840
Speaker 2: is me as a fan going. I think it's better

442
00:20:18,880 --> 00:20:22,600
Speaker 2: now at this age, these two all four belts undefeated.

443
00:20:22,960 --> 00:20:27,200
Speaker 2: Let's let's fucking find out. Luke, Okay, let's talk fired

444
00:20:27,480 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 2: the hell up, Luke. I've got a heart on from

445
00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 2: here to Hanover Ohio.

446
00:20:31,920 --> 00:20:34,760
Speaker 1: Bro Okay, let's talk about this fight. First things.

447
00:20:34,800 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 3: First, do you think based on the tweets and there's

448
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,040
Speaker 3: based on the reality For folks who don't aren't aware,

449
00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:43,480
Speaker 3: there are four major weight class titles right, Spence has three,

450
00:20:43,560 --> 00:20:45,960
Speaker 3: Crawford has the other one. There's no one else holding

451
00:20:46,000 --> 00:20:48,720
Speaker 3: titles at this point. So before I remember when when

452
00:20:49,440 --> 00:20:52,280
Speaker 3: right at the moment Crawford left top rank, we were saying, okay,

453
00:20:52,320 --> 00:20:53,960
Speaker 3: now you can make this fight, and they were like, well,

454
00:20:54,040 --> 00:20:55,200
Speaker 3: let's see what happens with Ugas.

455
00:20:55,240 --> 00:20:56,840
Speaker 1: Okay, Ugas happened.

456
00:20:57,160 --> 00:21:00,000
Speaker 3: Now we're at a situation where there is literally nothing

457
00:21:00,119 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 3: left for them too. No, I'm glad you brought that up,

458
00:21:01,920 --> 00:21:04,360
Speaker 3: because I don't know who's gonna beat Crawford either outside

459
00:21:04,359 --> 00:21:06,760
Speaker 3: of Spence at one forty seven, like, both of them

460
00:21:06,800 --> 00:21:09,680
Speaker 3: are due probably we'll see how I mean, Crawford's a

461
00:21:09,680 --> 00:21:12,119
Speaker 3: little bit older, but both of them after this, unless

462
00:21:12,160 --> 00:21:14,159
Speaker 3: it's rematch, they're up. They're due for a one to

463
00:21:14,160 --> 00:21:17,000
Speaker 3: fifty four fight. I mean, they can't. There's nobody else

464
00:21:17,080 --> 00:21:20,000
Speaker 3: even approximating what they can do. And I'll say this,

465
00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:24,600
Speaker 3: BC Crawford allows himself, and that's the word I'm using,

466
00:21:24,760 --> 00:21:28,600
Speaker 3: allows himself to take more risk and therefore take more damage.

467
00:21:29,040 --> 00:21:31,960
Speaker 3: So how plausible is a scenario where he hurts and

468
00:21:32,040 --> 00:21:35,760
Speaker 3: even drops Eryl Spence but drops the fight due to

469
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:40,239
Speaker 3: the work rate and overwhelming firepower and force. But by

470
00:21:40,240 --> 00:21:41,800
Speaker 3: the way, not just power, but of course all the

471
00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,119
Speaker 3: smart decisions that he makes of Errol Spence.

472
00:21:45,520 --> 00:21:48,399
Speaker 2: Look, it didn't play because they're both that great. Where

473
00:21:49,040 --> 00:21:50,760
Speaker 2: what you love about a fight is when you not

474
00:21:50,800 --> 00:21:52,760
Speaker 2: only don't know who's gonna win, and that's what great

475
00:21:52,880 --> 00:21:55,480
Speaker 2: historical sort of fifty to fifty matchups are unbeaten champion

476
00:21:55,520 --> 00:21:58,200
Speaker 2: versus unbeaten champion means perfect, But you also don't know

477
00:21:58,240 --> 00:21:59,840
Speaker 2: what it's gonna look like. You also don't know if

478
00:21:59,840 --> 00:22:02,200
Speaker 2: they fought five times in the next, you know, two years,

479
00:22:02,280 --> 00:22:05,160
Speaker 2: would each fight look completely different. It probably would when

480
00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:07,680
Speaker 2: they're this great and they're this versatal. So the scenario

481
00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:09,679
Speaker 2: you played out, it could happen. Do you know what

482
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:13,000
Speaker 2: other scenario could happen? Luke? Like Terrence Crawford in the beginning,

483
00:22:13,000 --> 00:22:15,280
Speaker 2: when he first got on our radar at you know,

484
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,399
Speaker 2: one thirty five and he moved up to one forty

485
00:22:17,440 --> 00:22:19,879
Speaker 2: to fill in last minute to fight Bradist Prescott and HBO,

486
00:22:19,920 --> 00:22:22,200
Speaker 2: and it was like, who the hell is this guy? Dude?

487
00:22:22,200 --> 00:22:25,760
Speaker 2: Those first early major TV appearances, Crawford just boxed from

488
00:22:25,760 --> 00:22:29,280
Speaker 2: the outside, just used his length and his speed. You know,

489
00:22:29,320 --> 00:22:31,399
Speaker 2: if he makes that decision now I'm gonna come there

490
00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:33,000
Speaker 2: against Arl Spence and just try to prove that I'm

491
00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:35,240
Speaker 2: gonna I could box it from the outside and out

492
00:22:35,320 --> 00:22:38,840
Speaker 2: chest him. Dude, It's in play, right, Just like if

493
00:22:38,880 --> 00:22:41,240
Speaker 2: you're Erl Spence and you say, you know what we're

494
00:22:41,280 --> 00:22:43,919
Speaker 2: pretty close in most categories, but I wonder if he

495
00:22:43,920 --> 00:22:45,720
Speaker 2: can stand in that kitchen with me and cook on

496
00:22:45,800 --> 00:22:48,960
Speaker 2: this level. Let's find that out. That's also in play, Luke,

497
00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:51,639
Speaker 2: or we can see constant adjustments from both, which is

498
00:22:51,640 --> 00:22:55,520
Speaker 2: probably more likely either way. It's like, not only is

499
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:58,000
Speaker 2: this maybe, to my argument, the best time for them

500
00:22:58,040 --> 00:23:01,119
Speaker 2: to have faced each other, it says fifty to fifty,

501
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,600
Speaker 2: lucas it's ever been, and that's that's where it should be.

502
00:23:03,680 --> 00:23:06,400
Speaker 2: That's where we need it to be. I've no idea, Luke,

503
00:23:06,440 --> 00:23:08,760
Speaker 2: what this fight's gonna look like, except for that it's

504
00:23:08,800 --> 00:23:11,720
Speaker 2: gonna be awesome. And it's our generation's gift. It's our

505
00:23:12,440 --> 00:23:15,320
Speaker 2: Leonard hearns, It's our de la Hollly of Trinidad. It's

506
00:23:15,320 --> 00:23:18,280
Speaker 2: our Mayweather Pakia. I keep saying that because it is.

507
00:23:18,760 --> 00:23:23,159
Speaker 2: These are two all time great fighters coming together, unblenished

508
00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:25,840
Speaker 2: to find out who's the man of this era. It

509
00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:28,880
Speaker 2: just so happens each one has multiple ways to win

510
00:23:28,920 --> 00:23:32,000
Speaker 2: this fight. Good God, give it to us, Give it

511
00:23:32,000 --> 00:23:33,959
Speaker 2: to us right now. All the people involved in this

512
00:23:34,040 --> 00:23:36,880
Speaker 2: netwhere I know Crawford's a free agent, which makes the

513
00:23:37,000 --> 00:23:40,640
Speaker 2: likeliness of this happen next again, stronger than it's ever been.

514
00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,359
Speaker 2: I don't know if we have the Terrence Crawford tweet,

515
00:23:42,560 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 2: but you mix Spence going on the microphone afterwards and

516
00:23:46,400 --> 00:23:50,040
Speaker 2: not doing anything but calling out Crawford, Crawford tweeting at Spence,

517
00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:52,159
Speaker 2: it's time to make the fight. I don't care if

518
00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:54,199
Speaker 2: you're Steven Haspinos, if you're a promoter, if you're a

519
00:23:54,240 --> 00:23:56,440
Speaker 2: network guy, if you're a if you're wrap hands for

520
00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,119
Speaker 2: one of these two fighters. Let's get everybody in the

521
00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,320
Speaker 2: same room and we're talking. There's enough money Foreverdy, It's

522
00:24:01,320 --> 00:24:01,920
Speaker 2: about history.

523
00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:02,160
Speaker 1: Now.

524
00:24:02,520 --> 00:24:04,600
Speaker 2: This is why you do this. This is why you

525
00:24:04,880 --> 00:24:07,320
Speaker 2: know what I mean. This is this is why you

526
00:24:07,359 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 2: lift them weights in the offseason. Bill Parcels right for

527
00:24:09,560 --> 00:24:10,520
Speaker 2: the for all moment.

528
00:24:10,560 --> 00:24:11,919
Speaker 3: Let me ask you this. Let me ask you this.

529
00:24:12,440 --> 00:24:16,640
Speaker 3: Let's skip Mayweather Pacio for a second. What is the

530
00:24:16,680 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 3: most comparable fight to a Spence versus Crawford fight, not

531
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:24,439
Speaker 3: including Mayweather Pacio, something else you can think of that

532
00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:25,640
Speaker 3: would fit that description.

533
00:24:25,800 --> 00:24:28,320
Speaker 2: It's the two references I just gave you, meaning Ray

534
00:24:28,400 --> 00:24:31,719
Speaker 2: Leonard versus Thomas Hearns. When Hearns was unbeaten, Leonard had

535
00:24:31,760 --> 00:24:33,760
Speaker 2: the one loss to Duram, but he avenged it. And

536
00:24:33,800 --> 00:24:36,520
Speaker 2: then of course you had unbeaten d La Hoya versus

537
00:24:36,560 --> 00:24:38,520
Speaker 2: unbeaten Trinidad in nineteen ninety nine. And if you don't

538
00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:40,919
Speaker 2: remember that fight, although obviously it didn't play out to

539
00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,520
Speaker 2: our expectations and there was a you know, compromised decision involved,

540
00:24:45,000 --> 00:24:47,040
Speaker 2: that was the biggest non heavyweight pay per view in

541
00:24:47,040 --> 00:24:49,560
Speaker 2: the history of the sport at that point. So those

542
00:24:49,600 --> 00:24:52,920
Speaker 2: two examples, those guys were younger in their career, which

543
00:24:52,960 --> 00:24:55,280
Speaker 2: is more about you'd prefer that as a fan, right

544
00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:57,640
Speaker 2: when guys are rising to face each other. So it's

545
00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:00,399
Speaker 2: a little bit more like Mayweather Pacio just from the age.

546
00:25:00,640 --> 00:25:02,920
Speaker 2: But I think it's the perfect middle ground between these

547
00:25:02,920 --> 00:25:05,439
Speaker 2: two fights, Luken, Is there another comparison, Well, it's not

548
00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:09,080
Speaker 2: like we haven't ever had walterweight unifications, right, the one

549
00:25:09,080 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 2: Saturday Night was the twelfth all time. But again, they're

550
00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:14,520
Speaker 2: both unbeaten, you know what I mean, and they're both

551
00:25:14,560 --> 00:25:20,000
Speaker 2: in their absolute fricking' prime. Yeah. Man, it compares to

552
00:25:20,040 --> 00:25:22,879
Speaker 2: those others historically, Luke, And in some ways it stands

553
00:25:22,920 --> 00:25:27,240
Speaker 2: apart on its own, but it's it has to be next,

554
00:25:28,040 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 2: It fucking has to be next. Yeah, it is out there.

555
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,560
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna, I'm gonna nail you

556
00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:34,440
Speaker 1: to the wall here.

557
00:25:34,400 --> 00:25:37,080
Speaker 2: Whate there's out there that needs to hear this. It

558
00:25:37,160 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 2: has to be next.

559
00:25:38,320 --> 00:25:40,520
Speaker 3: Okay, I'm gonna ask you, career on the line, does

560
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,680
Speaker 3: it happen this year? The Spence versus Crawford take place

561
00:25:43,680 --> 00:25:45,720
Speaker 3: in twenty twenty two, because I'm gonna tell you I

562
00:25:45,720 --> 00:25:46,320
Speaker 3: think it does.

563
00:25:47,119 --> 00:25:51,159
Speaker 2: I was walking out of Arlington's own Jerry World with

564
00:25:51,200 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 2: you late Saturday night, Luke, and I said, look, you know,

565
00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:57,560
Speaker 2: I've never been more confident that it happens next. Give

566
00:25:57,600 --> 00:26:00,800
Speaker 2: me what what did I say? Give me November? Give November? Yeah,

567
00:26:01,160 --> 00:26:03,959
Speaker 2: November t Mobile Arena in Las Vegas, right, because it's

568
00:26:03,960 --> 00:26:06,440
Speaker 2: probably where they can make the most money ticket sale wise.

569
00:26:06,520 --> 00:26:06,680
Speaker 1: Right.

570
00:26:06,760 --> 00:26:08,760
Speaker 2: I know, our normal thinking is put it in the

571
00:26:08,840 --> 00:26:11,200
Speaker 2: damn Dome, right eighty thousand nine. You're not gonna put

572
00:26:11,200 --> 00:26:13,399
Speaker 2: in Spence's backyard. You're gonna put it in the neutral

573
00:26:13,400 --> 00:26:15,479
Speaker 2: site where you can make the most money and attract

574
00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 2: the most attention. If it's November, Las Vegas, and that's

575
00:26:18,720 --> 00:26:21,040
Speaker 2: not me with industry knowledge, it's to me going makes

576
00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:24,280
Speaker 2: sense to me. Look at a monster event. It's a

577
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,000
Speaker 2: little bit more critically loved than it will be commercial,

578
00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 2: but sold right, the commercial is gonna catch up with

579
00:26:29,280 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 2: it because it sells itself. Right, Let's do it. I mean,

580
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:37,000
Speaker 2: get excited, guys, there's no let's stop being the jaded

581
00:26:37,040 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 2: boxing fans who are waiting for that heartbreak around the corner.

582
00:26:39,560 --> 00:26:41,120
Speaker 2: And I'm here to tell you the heartbreak is still

583
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:45,120
Speaker 2: coming because it's boxing. It's unstructured, it's ridiculous, but it's

584
00:26:45,200 --> 00:26:49,360
Speaker 2: also unrivaled in its in its build toward a big fight,

585
00:26:49,440 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 2: in the anticipation, and this one Spence Crawford has everything

586
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:57,240
Speaker 2: we want, we need. It's time. Let's do it. Put

587
00:26:57,240 --> 00:26:59,280
Speaker 2: me in the front row. Looke heck, let me call

588
00:26:59,359 --> 00:27:01,320
Speaker 2: the fight a right, Let me call my shot. Let

589
00:27:01,400 --> 00:27:03,720
Speaker 2: me point the thirty two World series, let me point

590
00:27:03,760 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 2: to the fence. Just let me be there, all right? Yes, damn.

591
00:27:07,640 --> 00:27:09,679
Speaker 3: By the way I get, I get more requests for

592
00:27:09,800 --> 00:27:13,880
Speaker 3: us to do fight companions than maybe for anything else.

593
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:14,960
Speaker 3: So we have to figure out a way to do that.

594
00:27:15,000 --> 00:27:17,320
Speaker 3: I wouldn't do a fight companion for Spence versus Crawford,

595
00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:19,920
Speaker 3: but we should probably figure that out, all right, before

596
00:27:19,960 --> 00:27:20,840
Speaker 3: we go here on this topic.

597
00:27:20,880 --> 00:27:21,040
Speaker 1: BC.

598
00:27:21,200 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 3: Let's talk about Ugas for a second. There was a

599
00:27:23,080 --> 00:27:26,359
Speaker 3: question about whether or not he lost stock here. I

600
00:27:26,400 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 3: have to tell you I don't think he did. He

601
00:27:28,440 --> 00:27:31,160
Speaker 3: went up against a renewed Spence who, yes, there were

602
00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:33,639
Speaker 3: questions about him, but then we saw what he turned

603
00:27:33,680 --> 00:27:36,600
Speaker 3: in and I gotta say yes, the sixth round was

604
00:27:36,640 --> 00:27:38,880
Speaker 3: a little weird with how Spence led his guard down

605
00:27:38,880 --> 00:27:40,919
Speaker 3: and then got hit. But there were other moments a

606
00:27:41,040 --> 00:27:43,520
Speaker 3: where Ugas was landing pretty well I thought, actually, especially

607
00:27:43,560 --> 00:27:46,120
Speaker 3: with the first six and also the amount of heart

608
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:48,120
Speaker 3: that he showed. I think when most people are gonna

609
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:49,919
Speaker 3: walk away from is okay. He fought a guy who

610
00:27:50,040 --> 00:27:52,520
Speaker 3: was a little bit too good for maybe everybody, but

611
00:27:52,560 --> 00:27:54,359
Speaker 3: he still made a very strong account of himself.

612
00:27:54,359 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 1: I don't think Ugas' stock got hurt here, do.

613
00:27:56,520 --> 00:27:59,160
Speaker 2: You No, Not at all. And you know you got

614
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:02,160
Speaker 2: some of those reactional tweets, and again I don't even

615
00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,040
Speaker 2: know why reference tweets. Look, you've been in my ear

616
00:28:04,040 --> 00:28:05,679
Speaker 2: for as long as I've known you saying, you know,

617
00:28:05,760 --> 00:28:07,640
Speaker 2: that's the one percent of people who have nothing else

618
00:28:07,680 --> 00:28:09,640
Speaker 2: to do and shouldn't have a say in this world,

619
00:28:09,640 --> 00:28:11,800
Speaker 2: and you're giving it to him. But you did see. Man,

620
00:28:11,840 --> 00:28:13,760
Speaker 2: what a shitty game plan from MUGAs. I don't think

621
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,879
Speaker 2: it was. I think he got run over by a

622
00:28:16,960 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: train that he was prepared to fight, you know, an

623
00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:23,919
Speaker 2: aggressive fun chess match with, and it turned into a

624
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:26,840
Speaker 2: phone booth war. Now it wasn't a sloppy, you know,

625
00:28:27,200 --> 00:28:31,560
Speaker 2: all time great brawl, but it was Spence footwork, craft

626
00:28:31,960 --> 00:28:35,280
Speaker 2: setting up, just being relentless. And here's the deal. Spence

627
00:28:35,640 --> 00:28:38,080
Speaker 2: never took his foot off the gas. He never guessed out,

628
00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,320
Speaker 2: he never needed to make adjustments outside of that right

629
00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,560
Speaker 2: hand which was catching him here and there. But again,

630
00:28:43,560 --> 00:28:45,840
Speaker 2: that's the price you pay when you stand directly in

631
00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 2: front of a guy in that time square up to

632
00:28:47,560 --> 00:28:51,520
Speaker 2: throw big combinations. Ugas I think was was hoping that

633
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 2: one of those big right hands would sort of change

634
00:28:53,680 --> 00:28:55,800
Speaker 2: the pace and the momentum a little bit and maybe

635
00:28:55,800 --> 00:28:57,480
Speaker 2: he could start boxing and do what he does, which

636
00:28:57,520 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 2: is slowly get closer and kind of potshot you one

637
00:29:01,160 --> 00:29:05,000
Speaker 2: at a time, dude against that storm. He never got off,

638
00:29:05,000 --> 00:29:06,640
Speaker 2: and the fact that he still had moments in there

639
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:08,960
Speaker 2: shows you who he is. And the fact that he

640
00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:12,840
Speaker 2: endured the you know, his face breaking to keep going

641
00:29:12,880 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 2: down that road to try to find some way to

642
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 2: be victorious. Even if you criticize and say, okay, when

643
00:29:18,440 --> 00:29:22,000
Speaker 2: the damage is adding up, shouldn't Avugas have rotated to

644
00:29:22,080 --> 00:29:25,120
Speaker 2: boxing from the outside. Look, that's not really his game, right.

645
00:29:25,400 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 2: He's a guy who is crafty and technical, but does

646
00:29:28,960 --> 00:29:31,640
Speaker 2: it in a dangerous spot, gets close to you behind

647
00:29:31,680 --> 00:29:35,000
Speaker 2: that high guard because most people, Luke can't find him

648
00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:39,120
Speaker 2: behind that high guard. Spence, like you said, was doing

649
00:29:39,280 --> 00:29:41,960
Speaker 2: all kinds of craft that you could tell they're well studied,

650
00:29:41,960 --> 00:29:44,320
Speaker 2: well prepared. Shout out to Derek James, the great trainer

651
00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:48,000
Speaker 2: of Earl Spence, to fit those shots in around the guard,

652
00:29:48,120 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 2: threw it over it. I don't know what you could say,

653
00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 2: what hu guy should have done, you know what I mean?

654
00:29:54,240 --> 00:29:56,600
Speaker 2: I don't think against a fighter this great, who is

655
00:29:56,640 --> 00:29:58,360
Speaker 2: this dialed in, there's really nothing you can do.

656
00:29:58,720 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 1: No, there's nothing you could do. I mean.

657
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is true that Spence made the fight a

658
00:30:02,800 --> 00:30:06,120
Speaker 3: little uglier than he normally does in order to open

659
00:30:06,160 --> 00:30:08,479
Speaker 3: it up. But if you're a guy who stands like

660
00:30:08,600 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 3: this boxing at range, you know far enough at the

661
00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:13,800
Speaker 3: very very end of your job, and then sticking and

662
00:30:13,800 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 3: moving like a Sean Porter, it doesn't work.

663
00:30:16,680 --> 00:30:17,840
Speaker 1: There's a certain amount of.

664
00:30:18,200 --> 00:30:21,960
Speaker 3: Offensive opportunities built into each kind of style. Some have more,

665
00:30:22,000 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 3: some have less, some have A, some have B. But

666
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 3: there are limits to it. So that's just not really

667
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 3: in the in the program. And I would also say,

668
00:30:29,360 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 3: like again, how many people are familiar with Ugas's catalog.

669
00:30:32,760 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: I was not until I had.

670
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:35,840
Speaker 3: To do homework, but then when I did, Dude, he

671
00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:41,400
Speaker 3: is the epitome of being careful and precise. And his timing,

672
00:30:41,440 --> 00:30:43,120
Speaker 3: I mean, look, go back and watch that paca fight.

673
00:30:43,440 --> 00:30:46,840
Speaker 3: His timing is impeccable. The reason why it wasn't here

674
00:30:46,880 --> 00:30:50,760
Speaker 3: is because Spence took that away from him by pushing

675
00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,760
Speaker 3: into him and turning him and then pinning his glove

676
00:30:53,840 --> 00:30:56,400
Speaker 3: to his own shoulder, and then you know, coming around

677
00:30:56,440 --> 00:30:58,440
Speaker 3: the side, and then when he's bending over, he's eating uppercuts.

678
00:30:58,440 --> 00:31:00,560
Speaker 3: When he's coming around he's eating hooks. He didn't know

679
00:31:00,600 --> 00:31:04,320
Speaker 3: where to go because Spence removed that element of the

680
00:31:04,320 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 3: fight from him. Pacio could not do that. But Pacio

681
00:31:07,200 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 3: and Aerl Spence, I'm not sure anybody's Erl Spence. So

682
00:31:09,720 --> 00:31:11,480
Speaker 3: I don't think Ugas did. He did he fight the

683
00:31:11,480 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 3: most brilliant fight you've ever seen. No but but it

684
00:31:14,040 --> 00:31:16,240
Speaker 3: was a good effort. It was it was a determined effort.

685
00:31:16,360 --> 00:31:18,720
Speaker 3: And to me, his stock is just as high as

686
00:31:18,720 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 3: it was.

687
00:31:19,000 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 1: Going into the contest. I didn't think he was gonna

688
00:31:20,520 --> 00:31:21,000
Speaker 1: win anyway.

689
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,680
Speaker 2: So there you go, all right, be so good of

690
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:25,760
Speaker 2: a friend? No one says this, How good of a

691
00:31:25,760 --> 00:31:28,440
Speaker 2: friend is your? Dennis Hugas to a roll? This Chapman

692
00:31:28,440 --> 00:31:32,520
Speaker 2: the Yankees closer that he made his nickname fifty four

693
00:31:32,640 --> 00:31:35,760
Speaker 2: milagros So I think the latter is his mother's last name.

694
00:31:36,360 --> 00:31:40,000
Speaker 2: The former is his best friend. Dude. That shit's everywhere.

695
00:31:40,000 --> 00:31:42,880
Speaker 2: It's on his waist, it's on his jacket, it's I mean, look,

696
00:31:43,000 --> 00:31:46,280
Speaker 2: I imagine, imagine if I put my put the arms

697
00:31:46,320 --> 00:31:48,560
Speaker 2: down on the battlefield and said, Luke, from here on out,

698
00:31:48,600 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 2: I'm for you in every category. Imagine you walk around

699
00:31:51,920 --> 00:31:54,600
Speaker 2: with some BC merch. I couldn't. I couldn't imagine. How

700
00:31:54,600 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: good of a friend is Hugas?

701
00:31:56,800 --> 00:31:57,760
Speaker 1: Uh, he's pretty great?

702
00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,360
Speaker 3: But I mean, isn't it true that Chapman gave him

703
00:32:00,400 --> 00:32:02,760
Speaker 3: like twenty thousand bucks to get back on his feet,

704
00:32:02,800 --> 00:32:05,520
Speaker 3: and then he used that to move to Vegas and

705
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 3: then reconstitute his career in twenty sixteen.

706
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:08,280
Speaker 2: I didn't know that.

707
00:32:08,880 --> 00:32:10,240
Speaker 1: Chapman's a pretty good friend too.

708
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:12,960
Speaker 2: You know, I wouldn't give you twenty k Luke, but

709
00:32:13,040 --> 00:32:15,880
Speaker 2: I'd talk you off the ledgend in a second.

710
00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 1: Okay, ce quenta iquatrouh. Okay.

711
00:32:19,440 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 3: With that out of the way, let's talk about finally.

712
00:32:21,400 --> 00:32:23,720
Speaker 3: I know our fans are very upset that we have

713
00:32:23,720 --> 00:32:26,120
Speaker 3: delayed this far, but here we go. Let's now talk

714
00:32:26,160 --> 00:32:30,600
Speaker 3: about the UFC. Okay, So here's what happens in the

715
00:32:30,640 --> 00:32:36,480
Speaker 3: main event. We have Balal Mohammad getting a decision victory

716
00:32:36,800 --> 00:32:40,280
Speaker 3: over a Vicente Luke when all five rounds. This is

717
00:32:40,440 --> 00:32:42,840
Speaker 3: easily bec the best win of Mohammad's career. It sets

718
00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,920
Speaker 3: up a potential showdown with Kobe Covington. We'll talk about

719
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:46,960
Speaker 3: that in a second, but first, what did you make

720
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:49,920
Speaker 3: of the fight and what does this victory the seventh.

721
00:32:49,640 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 1: In a row now prove for Muhammad.

722
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 2: I really like this performance, and I didn't prepare to

723
00:32:55,520 --> 00:32:57,680
Speaker 2: like it, meaning we didn't get to watch it live.

724
00:32:57,760 --> 00:32:59,920
Speaker 2: You and I were at the Spen's fight. You had

725
00:33:00,040 --> 00:33:01,440
Speaker 2: it on your laptop. We're kind of looking at it,

726
00:33:01,480 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 2: but we didn't get the full structure. So you hear things, Luke,

727
00:33:04,160 --> 00:33:05,880
Speaker 2: you hear. Oh they went the distance and it was

728
00:33:05,960 --> 00:33:07,360
Speaker 2: kind of boring, and Ah, I don't know if we

729
00:33:07,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 2: really learned. I learned a lot, Luke. I learned that

730
00:33:10,000 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 2: blah Mohammed can, when needed to, can really make smart,

731
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:19,200
Speaker 2: calculating adjustments to take away all of the things that

732
00:33:19,240 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: made his opponent good. And here's why this was key.

733
00:33:21,800 --> 00:33:24,400
Speaker 2: Muhammad had lost by knockout back in twenty sixteen to Luke,

734
00:33:24,520 --> 00:33:27,000
Speaker 2: and then they both went on these really strong runs

735
00:33:27,000 --> 00:33:30,640
Speaker 2: to put themselves in legit title contention. In Muhammad's mind,

736
00:33:30,640 --> 00:33:34,280
Speaker 2: he'd already lost a gunfight against the you know, against

737
00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,080
Speaker 2: a shooter. In this case, Luke, he made such brilliant adjustments.

738
00:33:39,120 --> 00:33:41,120
Speaker 2: Some of it was subtle footwork, some of it was

739
00:33:41,200 --> 00:33:43,840
Speaker 2: just a smart attention to detail. But I think, and

740
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,080
Speaker 2: you can tell me if I'm crazy, it was offensive

741
00:33:46,240 --> 00:33:49,360
Speaker 2: enough to where he had Luke figured out. Was it

742
00:33:49,360 --> 00:33:52,800
Speaker 2: overly exciting, No, but it was. It was one timed

743
00:33:53,040 --> 00:33:56,840
Speaker 2: takedown per round, seemingly decent enough top control to keep

744
00:33:56,880 --> 00:33:59,360
Speaker 2: him offensive, and then anytime they got on the feet,

745
00:33:59,560 --> 00:34:04,040
Speaker 2: really minimizing the angles and offensive opportunities. And in the end,

746
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,480
Speaker 2: it kind of made Luk look a little bit limited

747
00:34:06,720 --> 00:34:09,480
Speaker 2: for how much recent success he has had. And even

748
00:34:09,520 --> 00:34:12,719
Speaker 2: when Luk slipped in that short left check hook that

749
00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,600
Speaker 2: kind of rocked Muhammad. You saw great defensive responsibility to

750
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 2: get his legs back and then an instant shot to

751
00:34:19,360 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 2: change the momentum. I don't think this was a position

752
00:34:22,520 --> 00:34:27,400
Speaker 2: Luke where even an exciting, emphatic knockout when to avenge

753
00:34:27,840 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 2: his most recent loss, would have allowed him to cut

754
00:34:31,040 --> 00:34:33,080
Speaker 2: the line. We know where we're going right now. It's

755
00:34:33,120 --> 00:34:37,160
Speaker 2: Kamara Usman probably against Leon Edwards. Hamza just beat up

756
00:34:37,160 --> 00:34:40,600
Speaker 2: Burns in an all time great war, and you know

757
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:44,560
Speaker 2: could very well be next. This became more about survive

758
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,719
Speaker 2: in advance and the fact that Bulal not only realized that,

759
00:34:48,160 --> 00:34:50,880
Speaker 2: was able to execute that over twenty five minutes, which again,

760
00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:53,120
Speaker 2: you're a Bala Muhammad and you really want people to

761
00:34:53,160 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: remember the name. You've got to be prepared for that

762
00:34:55,560 --> 00:34:58,840
Speaker 2: title leap, which goes from three rounds to five rounds

763
00:34:58,880 --> 00:35:02,000
Speaker 2: where you have to fight differently in most cases. He

764
00:35:02,120 --> 00:35:05,120
Speaker 2: did that in my eyes, so he had the perfect

765
00:35:05,160 --> 00:35:07,280
Speaker 2: backup plan ready to make the call out for Colby.

766
00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,000
Speaker 2: But I think he understood, Luke, I need to protect

767
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:13,359
Speaker 2: where I am in the rankings. I'm not necessarily gonna

768
00:35:13,360 --> 00:35:16,480
Speaker 2: be able to leapfrog everybody, So let's go smart. I

769
00:35:16,520 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 2: don't remember a performance as smart as this one from Muhammad,

770
00:35:21,160 --> 00:35:24,440
Speaker 2: who tends to rely more on pressure in his biggest wins.

771
00:35:25,360 --> 00:35:30,160
Speaker 2: This was layered, Luke, this was IQ heavy. Much respect

772
00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:30,879
Speaker 2: to Blal.

773
00:35:30,960 --> 00:35:33,480
Speaker 3: This was a very strong performance of his. Let me

774
00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,200
Speaker 3: read his wins since he lost to Jeff Neil in

775
00:35:36,239 --> 00:35:38,600
Speaker 3: twenty ten, or his fights anyway, because there's one no

776
00:35:38,719 --> 00:35:39,840
Speaker 3: contest against Edwards.

777
00:35:39,840 --> 00:35:40,919
Speaker 1: Everyone knows the story there.

778
00:35:41,239 --> 00:35:44,480
Speaker 3: He beat Curtis Millinder, he beat Takashi Sato, he finished him.

779
00:35:44,760 --> 00:35:47,239
Speaker 3: He beat Lyman Good, he beat Diego Lima that had

780
00:35:47,280 --> 00:35:50,120
Speaker 3: the I issue against Edwards. That fight went eighteen seconds

781
00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:53,120
Speaker 3: or whatever. Then and this is the turn BC. He

782
00:35:53,160 --> 00:35:56,080
Speaker 3: beats Demi and Maya via decision. He beats Stephen Thompson

783
00:35:56,200 --> 00:35:58,840
Speaker 3: via decision. Folks, forget about that fight. And then he

784
00:35:58,880 --> 00:36:01,359
Speaker 3: beats Vicente. Luken, you can say Thompson and Meyer are

785
00:36:01,360 --> 00:36:03,839
Speaker 3: two older guys. You can't say, Luka is I mean,

786
00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:06,080
Speaker 3: I think you're absolutely right. And I thought his postfight

787
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 3: comments were really instructive. From Mohammed, which was I had

788
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 3: to get over the five round hump, you know, I

789
00:36:10,600 --> 00:36:12,120
Speaker 3: had to get over the fact that this guy had

790
00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,120
Speaker 3: beaten me before, knocked him out or stopped him with

791
00:36:14,120 --> 00:36:16,920
Speaker 3: strikes anyway previously. He had to get over that. And

792
00:36:16,960 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 3: of course, as you indicated, Luke was pressuring him. He's

793
00:36:20,040 --> 00:36:22,000
Speaker 3: usually the one doing the pressure, and so he had

794
00:36:22,120 --> 00:36:25,359
Speaker 3: this really clever and again going back to the Errol

795
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:28,160
Speaker 3: Spence things, these guys who can keep up what their

796
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:32,239
Speaker 3: efforts latent fights, it just is such an extraordinary advantage.

797
00:36:32,320 --> 00:36:35,840
Speaker 3: He never stopped moving in this fight. He was never

798
00:36:36,360 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 3: very hardly at all a stationary target. It's why, if

799
00:36:39,200 --> 00:36:41,120
Speaker 3: you sent Luke had a very hard time. And I

800
00:36:41,160 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: also agree with you. Yes, I think Luk is the

801
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,400
Speaker 3: better striker of the two, and I think that you know,

802
00:36:45,440 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: that left hook, but other things he threw showed that.

803
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,759
Speaker 3: But Muhammad was landing. He was landing one twos, he

804
00:36:50,800 --> 00:36:54,520
Speaker 3: was landing jabs, He was landing from either stance, good combinations.

805
00:36:54,560 --> 00:36:56,520
Speaker 3: I also think he was switching the stances a lot,

806
00:36:56,840 --> 00:36:58,879
Speaker 3: in part to set up different takedowns. Also in part

807
00:36:58,920 --> 00:37:01,120
Speaker 3: he was getting them from diferent stances. Folks go back

808
00:37:01,120 --> 00:37:03,760
Speaker 3: and look at this. He had different kinds of takedowns.

809
00:37:03,760 --> 00:37:05,680
Speaker 3: I won't say each time, but there was enough of

810
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:08,080
Speaker 3: a variety of them where he wasn't going back to

811
00:37:08,120 --> 00:37:10,960
Speaker 3: the well. He was using different setups and different entries

812
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 3: and different finishes to get what he wanted.

813
00:37:13,080 --> 00:37:15,760
Speaker 1: Dude, this was I agree with you. This was a very.

814
00:37:16,120 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 3: Smart, disciplined, layered approach beating a high quality opponent. And

815
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:22,719
Speaker 3: I'm going to say it one more time. In a

816
00:37:22,719 --> 00:37:25,719
Speaker 3: five round fight, in a main event against a guy

817
00:37:25,800 --> 00:37:28,120
Speaker 3: who had not just beaten him before, but stopped him

818
00:37:28,120 --> 00:37:30,480
Speaker 3: with strikes, he had to make sure and you can

819
00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:32,279
Speaker 3: tell in his prep he did, by the way, all

820
00:37:32,320 --> 00:37:34,719
Speaker 3: through Ramadan. So he's fasting as long as the sun

821
00:37:34,800 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 3: is up. I mean, that's just a crazy level of

822
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:39,800
Speaker 3: commitment to get all of that into.

823
00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:39,960
Speaker 1: All of this.

824
00:37:40,120 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 3: He needed the time to get his game here. Maybe

825
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:44,359
Speaker 3: he had to learn from some of those mistakes along

826
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:46,759
Speaker 3: the way. This is easily the very best version of

827
00:37:46,760 --> 00:37:49,839
Speaker 3: Bala Mohammed, and this win is as quality as they

828
00:37:49,840 --> 00:37:52,279
Speaker 3: come in the welterweight division. I really love this for him,

829
00:37:52,320 --> 00:37:56,480
Speaker 3: and I understand it wasn't super fan friendly BC fair enough,

830
00:37:56,800 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 3: but if you like fighting. If you like educated fighting,

831
00:38:00,160 --> 00:38:00,759
Speaker 3: you got a lot of it.

832
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:01,920
Speaker 1: There was a lot to like.

833
00:38:02,920 --> 00:38:04,200
Speaker 2: I think it was savvy and I think it was

834
00:38:04,239 --> 00:38:05,920
Speaker 2: an understanding, like I said, of where he is in

835
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,239
Speaker 2: the rankings and what could be next. So I would

836
00:38:08,239 --> 00:38:10,520
Speaker 2: ask you this, Luke, because I thought the call out

837
00:38:10,560 --> 00:38:13,839
Speaker 2: of Colby was it was a good one. It makes sense.

838
00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:16,000
Speaker 2: Do I think he'll get that fight? I'm not sure.

839
00:38:16,520 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 2: I want to ask you where you think we're headed

840
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 2: with some of these big names that keep popping up

841
00:38:21,480 --> 00:38:25,160
Speaker 2: on our show, Connor, Nate, Dustin, And I know you said, well,

842
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,800
Speaker 2: how does that relate to this? Because I think Colby

843
00:38:27,880 --> 00:38:31,919
Speaker 2: is loosely related to that too. So everyone seems to think, Luke,

844
00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:34,279
Speaker 2: that my Jake Paul theory is shit, and it probably is.

845
00:38:34,560 --> 00:38:37,439
Speaker 2: That the only reason we're not making Dustin versus Nate

846
00:38:37,560 --> 00:38:40,480
Speaker 2: now is because the UFC would prefer to make Connor

847
00:38:40,560 --> 00:38:43,360
Speaker 2: Nate three as Nate's final fight. Get that off in

848
00:38:43,440 --> 00:38:45,640
Speaker 2: the octagon now, let's not leave it open for those

849
00:38:45,640 --> 00:38:48,520
Speaker 2: two to go somewhere else when the contract expires. So

850
00:38:48,640 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 2: if that's the case, do you think Dustin goes the

851
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,360
Speaker 2: way of Colby, which would take this fight away from Bolaal.

852
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,120
Speaker 2: What do you think is next for Bolall based upon

853
00:38:58,160 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 2: those names I mentioned.

854
00:39:00,280 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 3: It's interesting that everyone's calling out Colby after this. He

855
00:39:03,680 --> 00:39:06,920
Speaker 3: has his sights set on one fifty five rs and

856
00:39:07,080 --> 00:39:10,600
Speaker 3: other places. But these guys at the top of welterweight,

857
00:39:10,640 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 3: they want a piece of him, whether it's Hamzat or

858
00:39:12,360 --> 00:39:14,680
Speaker 3: whether it is Blaal. I don't think they'll do hamzad

859
00:39:14,760 --> 00:39:18,280
Speaker 3: versus Blall. I could be wrong about that. There's obviously

860
00:39:18,280 --> 00:39:20,759
Speaker 3: a possibility that could happen, but it seems unlikely.

861
00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:21,080
Speaker 1: I don't know.

862
00:39:21,120 --> 00:39:23,160
Speaker 3: There's a lot of I don't know if there's a

863
00:39:23,200 --> 00:39:26,040
Speaker 3: lot of juice behind that fight. But I love the

864
00:39:26,080 --> 00:39:28,520
Speaker 3: Colby Belall fight a lot. Actually, I mean, I like

865
00:39:28,520 --> 00:39:31,160
Speaker 3: any fight with Colby because he's obviously so highly ranked.

866
00:39:31,160 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 3: But let me see me pull up the rankings actually

867
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: to answer that, because I'm not really sure what a

868
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:36,919
Speaker 3: good answer is, to be honest with you, So here are.

869
00:39:36,800 --> 00:39:38,960
Speaker 1: The rankings as they stay. Hold on, hold on, hold on,

870
00:39:39,040 --> 00:39:39,799
Speaker 1: let me read it out to you.

871
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,360
Speaker 3: Covington's at one, Edwards is at two, Edwards got the

872
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: title shot, hamzat three, Gilbert four, Vicente five, and Ballall

873
00:39:45,560 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 3: at six. Now they'll move, so you could do Burns

874
00:39:48,040 --> 00:39:49,359
Speaker 3: versus Mhammad. What do you think about that?

875
00:39:52,719 --> 00:39:55,840
Speaker 2: I mean, look, Burns deserves after that performance and his

876
00:39:55,960 --> 00:39:58,799
Speaker 2: willingness to take on that hamsa fight whatever he can

877
00:39:58,840 --> 00:40:01,560
Speaker 2: get if this is the best can get. It's just

878
00:40:01,640 --> 00:40:04,040
Speaker 2: it's like this. I wanted to jump in and say, look,

879
00:40:04,080 --> 00:40:06,080
Speaker 2: it's not that I didn't I didn't remember that Hamzat

880
00:40:06,880 --> 00:40:09,680
Speaker 2: was potentially linked to Colby based on that Dana White comment.

881
00:40:09,719 --> 00:40:12,840
Speaker 2: But Luke, if you're Colby, you do have to feel

882
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:15,000
Speaker 2: like you've been in you know, a pay per view

883
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:16,840
Speaker 2: headline or enough that you got a little bit of

884
00:40:16,840 --> 00:40:19,880
Speaker 2: Say IFFC comes to Colby and goes, hey, bro, you

885
00:40:19,880 --> 00:40:22,160
Speaker 2: want to fight Hamzad and ABC or do you want

886
00:40:22,160 --> 00:40:24,840
Speaker 2: to fight Dustin? I mean, dude, I don't think Colby

887
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:27,359
Speaker 2: has any reason to go near Homsudt unless an interim

888
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:30,120
Speaker 2: titles at stake. Luke, that's just my two cents. Why

889
00:40:30,160 --> 00:40:31,640
Speaker 2: would he, dude? Why would.

890
00:40:33,160 --> 00:40:34,040
Speaker 1: Will actually do that?

891
00:40:34,080 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 2: Though they might call him and try it. But if

892
00:40:38,080 --> 00:40:39,680
Speaker 2: you're Colby, you want nothing to do with hag What

893
00:40:39,719 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 2: are you gaining from that? Luke? You're not getting anything

894
00:40:43,200 --> 00:40:43,440
Speaker 2: I know.

895
00:40:43,520 --> 00:40:45,439
Speaker 3: But they may not even offer him the Dustin fight.

896
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:47,759
Speaker 3: I mean, I don't know what they're gonna do. I mean,

897
00:40:47,800 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 3: it's just so hard to tell. I like the Gilbert

898
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 3: Burns fight, but you can't go backwards because he beat Steven.

899
00:40:52,520 --> 00:40:53,680
Speaker 1: You could do you could do.

900
00:40:54,239 --> 00:40:56,719
Speaker 3: Potentially Jorge Masswittal, but he's all the way back at eight.

901
00:40:56,719 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 3: I don't know if Bullall even wants that fight. And also,

902
00:40:59,360 --> 00:41:02,480
Speaker 3: you know, given how wouldn't you agree, given the state

903
00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,799
Speaker 3: of Jorge, and given the state of Ballall, and then

904
00:41:04,880 --> 00:41:08,200
Speaker 3: this performance in particular, where he was so precise, his

905
00:41:08,360 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 3: takedowns were well timed, he knew exactly what his assignments were,

906
00:41:11,960 --> 00:41:12,799
Speaker 3: he stuck to it.

907
00:41:13,880 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 1: He beats jorgem Mas. We all if that version he does.

908
00:41:16,680 --> 00:41:19,000
Speaker 2: But I do say this, I wouldn't put it past

909
00:41:19,000 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 2: the UFC to offer that fight though, because hmm, unless

910
00:41:23,160 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: they have a sort of BMF's type fight for Jorge,

911
00:41:27,120 --> 00:41:29,320
Speaker 2: meaning unless you know they're gonna do Connor, they're gonna

912
00:41:29,360 --> 00:41:31,880
Speaker 2: do Nate again, which they're not. They're not doing that

913
00:41:31,960 --> 00:41:35,080
Speaker 2: right now. You're not going you know, you can only

914
00:41:35,120 --> 00:41:37,640
Speaker 2: put Joorge in there. So deeply down in terms of

915
00:41:37,680 --> 00:41:39,880
Speaker 2: a step down performance coming off of these title losses

916
00:41:39,920 --> 00:41:42,600
Speaker 2: and the pay per view loss to Colby that you know, Luke,

917
00:41:42,640 --> 00:41:44,000
Speaker 2: it might be that time. It might be that time

918
00:41:44,040 --> 00:41:46,040
Speaker 2: to put in there with Ball because if you're the UFC,

919
00:41:46,560 --> 00:41:48,680
Speaker 2: it's a way to keep Ball all busy in a

920
00:41:48,719 --> 00:41:53,320
Speaker 2: featured role that could really up his his potential marketability

921
00:41:53,440 --> 00:41:55,239
Speaker 2: if he's gonna stay on this road and eventually get

922
00:41:55,280 --> 00:41:59,080
Speaker 2: a title shot. Seeing him beat up Jorge maybe on

923
00:41:59,160 --> 00:41:59,839
Speaker 2: ABC and a man.

924
00:42:00,120 --> 00:42:03,360
Speaker 3: Look could be Also Sean Brady is right next to

925
00:42:03,480 --> 00:42:06,080
Speaker 3: Jorge Masvidal in the rankings, so that might the direction

926
00:42:06,160 --> 00:42:07,440
Speaker 3: that they go to because I know they want to

927
00:42:07,480 --> 00:42:12,440
Speaker 3: promote him beginning. We'll get him on before that fight.

928
00:42:12,520 --> 00:42:14,000
Speaker 3: But the thing I wanted to say BC was this

929
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 3: is the one thing that I do think we should

930
00:42:15,719 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 3: mention about bellaal for all the flowers were giving him,

931
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: and they are deserved. The real story of this fight

932
00:42:20,840 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 3: was the disciplined as you put I love that. I

933
00:42:22,640 --> 00:42:28,800
Speaker 3: love that description. Layered and experienced professional at this point, talented, experienced,

934
00:42:28,920 --> 00:42:32,359
Speaker 3: well rounded, disciplined. I mean, he's everything I think most

935
00:42:32,400 --> 00:42:34,960
Speaker 3: fighters would want to be the one issue that could

936
00:42:35,040 --> 00:42:36,839
Speaker 3: potentially cost him not to get to this point because

937
00:42:36,840 --> 00:42:40,080
Speaker 3: he's already here but against this next tier of competition,

938
00:42:40,160 --> 00:42:43,759
Speaker 3: the lack of finishes. He has a game that is

939
00:42:43,840 --> 00:42:48,160
Speaker 3: built quite nicely for control, for winning rounds. He has

940
00:42:48,200 --> 00:42:51,279
Speaker 3: good cardio again, all those things, but there was never

941
00:42:51,360 --> 00:42:54,000
Speaker 3: a moment where you would say that Luke was in danger.

942
00:42:54,000 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: And in fact, if you go to his resume going back,

943
00:42:56,280 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 3: he beat Thompson decision, Maya decision, Lima decision, good decision.

944
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,520
Speaker 3: He did finished Acasi Sato, But Sato is not what

945
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:05,040
Speaker 3: we're talking about. We're talking about this level of opposition.

946
00:43:05,120 --> 00:43:09,279
Speaker 3: Curtis Millander decision, Chance rencounter decision, Tim Means decision, Jordan

947
00:43:09,360 --> 00:43:12,000
Speaker 3: meh and decision, Randy Brown decision. He does have a

948
00:43:12,040 --> 00:43:15,000
Speaker 3: win over Augusto Montano via stoppage, but this is my point.

949
00:43:15,000 --> 00:43:16,160
Speaker 1: You see, that's in twenty sixteen.

950
00:43:17,480 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 3: He's got a couple of stoppage wins, but a not

951
00:43:20,719 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 3: many of them and be against significantly lower quality opposition.

952
00:43:23,680 --> 00:43:25,080
Speaker 3: And here's the one thing I want to say about this.

953
00:43:25,719 --> 00:43:27,920
Speaker 3: Colby has a bit of the same problem. You heard

954
00:43:28,000 --> 00:43:30,080
Speaker 3: dand Cormier saying, oh, but Colby threatens the neck in

955
00:43:30,120 --> 00:43:32,680
Speaker 3: ways that Balall doesn't. Yeah, but it didn't really threaten

956
00:43:32,719 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 3: the neck. It it's not so significant. So what I'm

957
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:37,319
Speaker 3: want to point out here is if you have a

958
00:43:37,400 --> 00:43:41,440
Speaker 3: game that's built to withstand twenty five minutes, that's probably

959
00:43:41,480 --> 00:43:44,400
Speaker 3: a better game than one that's just decidedly focused on finishing.

960
00:43:44,920 --> 00:43:48,240
Speaker 3: But it's at this level to really beat the very best,

961
00:43:48,360 --> 00:43:50,200
Speaker 3: you have to kind of have a little bit of both.

962
00:43:50,239 --> 00:43:52,480
Speaker 3: I would say that's a piece of Ballall's game that

963
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:54,520
Speaker 3: is missing against upper tier opposition.

964
00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 2: I think the nicest thing you could say here is

965
00:43:56,320 --> 00:43:58,920
Speaker 2: that Balall has surprised me at each step up the ladder.

966
00:43:58,960 --> 00:44:01,319
Speaker 2: The layers of this perform says we mentioned surprised me.

967
00:44:01,680 --> 00:44:05,800
Speaker 2: Do I yet feel though that he's a legitimate threat

968
00:44:05,840 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 2: to a champion? Not yet? Not yet? Gotta see more,

969
00:44:09,719 --> 00:44:12,760
Speaker 2: gotta see. I think that's he's going in a strong direction.

970
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,000
Speaker 2: And on the flip side, Luke, I'm a little bit

971
00:44:15,000 --> 00:44:18,480
Speaker 2: disappointed in, Luka, what's coming on this to I have.

972
00:44:18,640 --> 00:44:20,200
Speaker 3: One thing to say about that. Let me tell you

973
00:44:20,239 --> 00:44:22,360
Speaker 3: what I'm disappointed in, and let me see if you agree.

974
00:44:22,719 --> 00:44:25,000
Speaker 3: In fact, I pulled this up earlier today because I

975
00:44:25,040 --> 00:44:26,680
Speaker 3: was looking at the stats on this. Yes, I have

976
00:44:26,800 --> 00:44:29,120
Speaker 3: them right in front of me, perfect I believe, so

977
00:44:29,200 --> 00:44:31,480
Speaker 3: the best round that Luke had was what the third

978
00:44:31,560 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 3: round probably that's where that left hook landed and kind

979
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,680
Speaker 3: of stumbled him. I believe after that round, maybe between

980
00:44:37,760 --> 00:44:40,080
Speaker 3: rounds two and three, But there was one round midway

981
00:44:40,120 --> 00:44:43,080
Speaker 3: through the fight where his corner is expressly telling him,

982
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:45,439
Speaker 3: you got a jab to the body and then work

983
00:44:45,480 --> 00:44:46,600
Speaker 3: your way into other places.

984
00:44:46,680 --> 00:44:50,040
Speaker 1: Right, you should go do that, Vicente Luke in the.

985
00:44:50,040 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 3: Entirety of that fight, and I realize I'm not in

986
00:44:52,160 --> 00:44:54,120
Speaker 3: a position to be in his corner. That's not what

987
00:44:54,160 --> 00:44:55,719
Speaker 3: this is about. But I'm just sort of pointing out

988
00:44:55,719 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 3: what his corner did. Say he targeted the body just

989
00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:02,600
Speaker 3: seven percent of the time. He went to the head

990
00:45:02,640 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 3: sixty four and then to the leg twenty eight, and

991
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,799
Speaker 3: those were valuable. But it did seem to me b see,

992
00:45:07,880 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 3: against the advice of his corner, that there was some

993
00:45:10,640 --> 00:45:13,640
Speaker 3: bodywork that could have really transferred some of the defense

994
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:15,719
Speaker 3: that a guy like Muhammad was working with that he

995
00:45:15,760 --> 00:45:18,080
Speaker 3: did not invest in. That could have maybe not changed

996
00:45:18,080 --> 00:45:20,080
Speaker 3: the outcome of the fight, although maybe that too, but

997
00:45:21,080 --> 00:45:21,759
Speaker 3: the fact that it.

998
00:45:21,719 --> 00:45:28,480
Speaker 1: Was missing definitely hurt his chances. Yeah no, no.

999
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:30,359
Speaker 2: Yeah, I say where you're going with that, Luke?

1000
00:45:31,560 --> 00:45:33,920
Speaker 3: I just I'm just I'm not saying listen to this.

1001
00:45:34,040 --> 00:45:35,600
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that you have to mix up the

1002
00:45:35,640 --> 00:45:39,400
Speaker 3: targeting evenly. For example, balal Mohammad went eighty five percent

1003
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:41,239
Speaker 3: of the head and thirteen percent of the body, just

1004
00:45:41,280 --> 00:45:43,600
Speaker 3: one percent of the leg. He doesn't need to target

1005
00:45:43,600 --> 00:45:46,280
Speaker 3: the leg fair enough. It's not about having an even distribution.

1006
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:48,680
Speaker 3: But if your corner's calling for it, and the guy

1007
00:45:48,719 --> 00:45:50,440
Speaker 3: can know that for the most part, it's either going

1008
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 3: to be a leg kick or a face punch, it

1009
00:45:53,080 --> 00:45:56,640
Speaker 3: makes managing the defense at least a little bit easier.

1010
00:45:57,560 --> 00:46:00,399
Speaker 2: I didn't see the adjustments you would need to see

1011
00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:06,359
Speaker 2: at this level to you know, like it's like Luke

1012
00:46:06,560 --> 00:46:08,320
Speaker 2: is a great fighter when he's in control of the

1013
00:46:08,400 --> 00:46:10,919
Speaker 2: terms and he's pushing ahead. Luke, this was one where

1014
00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,800
Speaker 2: we really needed to see some nuance and adjustments and

1015
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:16,319
Speaker 2: and like you said, variety, and we didn't. It wasn't there.

1016
00:46:16,400 --> 00:46:18,960
Speaker 2: It wasn't there. So a little bit, look, not a

1017
00:46:18,960 --> 00:46:21,040
Speaker 2: little bit, a lot humbling. It's a humbling loss, Luke,

1018
00:46:22,080 --> 00:46:24,360
Speaker 2: A guy that he knocked out before, it's a humbling loss.

1019
00:46:24,480 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 3: It certainly is all right. Topic number three, we move

1020
00:46:27,560 --> 00:46:30,560
Speaker 3: on here. Let's talk about the controversy in the co

1021
00:46:30,680 --> 00:46:34,960
Speaker 3: main event. So this involved two fighters, Kyo Bohalio, I'm

1022
00:46:35,040 --> 00:46:38,080
Speaker 3: sure I'm pronouncing that wrong, taking on and he defeated

1023
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,000
Speaker 3: gadzi Omar Gotziev Okay, and the technical decision is how

1024
00:46:42,040 --> 00:46:45,000
Speaker 3: it was decided twenty nine to twenty seven across the board.

1025
00:46:45,040 --> 00:46:48,839
Speaker 3: It stopped officially at three fifty six of the third round, BC,

1026
00:46:49,560 --> 00:46:51,800
Speaker 3: uh or, I guess after the fourth?

1027
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:52,600
Speaker 2: What?

1028
00:46:53,200 --> 00:46:54,400
Speaker 3: No, it was in the third. Excuse me, it was

1029
00:46:54,400 --> 00:46:56,719
Speaker 3: in the third. I apologize because there's only three round contests. Yes,

1030
00:46:56,719 --> 00:46:59,719
Speaker 3: that's right, all right. So here's the here's the question, BC.

1031
00:47:00,880 --> 00:47:04,000
Speaker 3: Based on how the rules are written and the technical

1032
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:10,040
Speaker 3: decision that was reached, does a fight like this incentivize cheating.

1033
00:47:10,120 --> 00:47:12,880
Speaker 3: I'm not saying that Bihalio did, but you can clearly

1034
00:47:12,880 --> 00:47:15,640
Speaker 3: see a scenario where one could play that game and

1035
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,400
Speaker 3: the rules would incentivize it going forward. I bring up

1036
00:47:18,440 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 3: one example where Tim Elliott is grabbing gloves and everything else,

1037
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,760
Speaker 3: and people like, that's a real dirty the way he's fighting,

1038
00:47:24,000 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 3: and then afterwards he's like, it's my job to fight,

1039
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:27,840
Speaker 3: it's the referees job to call it. If he doesn't

1040
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,680
Speaker 3: call it, why should I not do it? That's a

1041
00:47:29,719 --> 00:47:31,799
Speaker 3: great question, BC, why shouldn't he do it?

1042
00:47:32,800 --> 00:47:34,280
Speaker 2: Well, I think we got it. We have a larger

1043
00:47:34,320 --> 00:47:36,440
Speaker 2: gray area issue, and I really want to credit Daniel

1044
00:47:36,440 --> 00:47:38,880
Speaker 2: Cormier and Daniel crue Dominant Cruz excuse me on the

1045
00:47:38,960 --> 00:47:42,280
Speaker 2: broadcast for a kind of laying that out and comparing

1046
00:47:42,320 --> 00:47:45,279
Speaker 2: this to what happened in yon Sterling one. And you know,

1047
00:47:45,360 --> 00:47:47,600
Speaker 2: nobody wants to see somebody win a title on a DQ,

1048
00:47:48,200 --> 00:47:50,920
Speaker 2: but we understand why that is there so someone couldn't

1049
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 2: exploit the rules to keep their belt. Well, in this case,

1050
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 2: if there was intention of doing even though afterwards Burralio

1051
00:47:59,680 --> 00:48:01,640
Speaker 2: was like, you know, I thought his knee was I

1052
00:48:01,680 --> 00:48:03,560
Speaker 2: didn't know his knee was down, which it was. I

1053
00:48:03,560 --> 00:48:06,480
Speaker 2: didn't love his I didn't love Borealio's Well, that's a

1054
00:48:06,520 --> 00:48:10,439
Speaker 2: bad pronunciation a breakdown of why. But I also can

1055
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:12,239
Speaker 2: recognize that in the flow of a fight, dude, how

1056
00:48:12,280 --> 00:48:14,759
Speaker 2: could you be fully aware of everything? You know what

1057
00:48:14,760 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 2: I mean, You're in the midst of a fight and

1058
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 2: you're getting hit and all that. I will say this,

1059
00:48:17,920 --> 00:48:20,680
Speaker 2: I think that was a good discussion that something needs

1060
00:48:20,719 --> 00:48:22,879
Speaker 2: to be looked into because in this case, if you're

1061
00:48:22,960 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 2: Barralio and you did have bad intention in mind. He's

1062
00:48:26,880 --> 00:48:30,040
Speaker 2: clearly up to nothing on the scorecards. It was a hugely,

1063
00:48:30,440 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 2: hugely impressive performance in his UFC debut from Brazil, Wildest

1064
00:48:34,800 --> 00:48:38,160
Speaker 2: Shit Tattoos, consecutive wins on the Dana White Contender series.

1065
00:48:38,320 --> 00:48:42,400
Speaker 2: He's leaping through your screen. We're hearing about him grappling

1066
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:45,120
Speaker 2: with Damian Maya for years to be prepared for this moment.

1067
00:48:45,440 --> 00:48:49,160
Speaker 2: He's wildly up to nothing. Yeah, he had the cushion

1068
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 2: to potentially lose a point and win there, but he

1069
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,040
Speaker 2: doesn't know in that spot, Luke, even if that is

1070
00:48:55,040 --> 00:48:57,640
Speaker 2: his bad intention, that the other guy's not going to continue.

1071
00:48:57,640 --> 00:49:00,400
Speaker 2: Because this also had that weird development of the doctor

1072
00:49:00,480 --> 00:49:02,520
Speaker 2: going yeah, it looks fine to me, he can fight,

1073
00:49:02,840 --> 00:49:05,200
Speaker 2: and it was Omar Godzi have saying no I can't, No,

1074
00:49:05,280 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 2: I can't, and then I guess was willing to take

1075
00:49:07,600 --> 00:49:10,400
Speaker 2: the gamble of going to the cards and lost. What

1076
00:49:10,520 --> 00:49:14,080
Speaker 2: I don't know, Luke, necessarily, is how you fix this scenario.

1077
00:49:14,440 --> 00:49:16,879
Speaker 2: I don't want to see a title changing hands under

1078
00:49:16,920 --> 00:49:20,200
Speaker 2: any circumstances like we saw on Yon Sterling one. I

1079
00:49:20,200 --> 00:49:22,839
Speaker 2: don't want to see someone abusing the rules going. Look,

1080
00:49:22,920 --> 00:49:24,759
Speaker 2: I'm not gonna get deheued. I might lose a point,

1081
00:49:24,800 --> 00:49:26,080
Speaker 2: but if I got a big enough lead, I can

1082
00:49:26,120 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 2: do it. So Luke, how do you fix this? I

1083
00:49:28,520 --> 00:49:30,480
Speaker 2: don't have an answer, but I do know there's an

1084
00:49:30,520 --> 00:49:32,839
Speaker 2: issue here that if we keep going down the road

1085
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,400
Speaker 2: and have fights that end and look like this, it

1086
00:49:35,480 --> 00:49:38,040
Speaker 2: will be adjusted. There will be something that needs to

1087
00:49:38,080 --> 00:49:40,919
Speaker 2: put into place to sort of stop this behavior. Does

1088
00:49:40,960 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 2: it need to be an instant disqualification? Is that the

1089
00:49:44,120 --> 00:49:45,960
Speaker 2: only thing that will sober this up? Lit?

1090
00:49:48,320 --> 00:49:50,799
Speaker 3: No, But I grant that there are a ton of

1091
00:49:50,840 --> 00:49:53,680
Speaker 3: problems here versus I looked this up, like what is

1092
00:49:53,719 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 3: the difference between an intentional and accidental foul? And in

1093
00:49:56,160 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 3: terms of how most states define it, they don't really

1094
00:49:59,160 --> 00:50:01,360
Speaker 3: tell you what the difference. You're sort of just allowed

1095
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:04,440
Speaker 3: to infer what it's supposed to be. I mean, you know,

1096
00:50:04,520 --> 00:50:06,719
Speaker 3: it looked to me like I granted that he kind

1097
00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:08,719
Speaker 3: of thought, oh, he just has his hands down or

1098
00:50:08,760 --> 00:50:10,480
Speaker 3: the back of the hand, because he kind of has

1099
00:50:10,480 --> 00:50:12,880
Speaker 3: his hand like this on the mat. If you have

1100
00:50:12,960 --> 00:50:15,879
Speaker 3: it like that and you and your knees are sorry,

1101
00:50:15,920 --> 00:50:16,959
Speaker 3: he had both feet in the air.

1102
00:50:17,440 --> 00:50:20,319
Speaker 1: He assumed that like it didn't.

1103
00:50:20,040 --> 00:50:21,799
Speaker 3: Count or it was somehow you know, he just didn't

1104
00:50:21,840 --> 00:50:23,160
Speaker 3: seem to understand the rule. So part of it is

1105
00:50:23,160 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 3: there's still like a rule issue understanding with the fighters,

1106
00:50:26,239 --> 00:50:28,759
Speaker 3: compounded by a difficulty. I think that the referees have

1107
00:50:29,080 --> 00:50:31,000
Speaker 3: by a lack of a clear description of, well, what

1108
00:50:31,040 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 3: separates intentionality from accidental because that would have made a

1109
00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:35,799
Speaker 3: difference in the outcome here as well. If it's an

1110
00:50:35,840 --> 00:50:38,440
Speaker 3: intentional foul, you go one direction, If it's accidentally you

1111
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:40,520
Speaker 3: go another. But then at the same time he's calling

1112
00:50:40,560 --> 00:50:42,400
Speaker 3: it an accidental foul. But then they still took a

1113
00:50:42,440 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 3: point from him, right, which is where you get the

1114
00:50:44,760 --> 00:50:46,719
Speaker 3: thirty twenty nine to twenty sevens across that, because he

1115
00:50:46,760 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 3: was winning. He'd basically had taken the back all three

1116
00:50:48,719 --> 00:50:51,399
Speaker 3: rounds eventually, right, So that was really why he was up.

1117
00:50:51,960 --> 00:50:54,239
Speaker 3: So it's like you take a point from him, but

1118
00:50:54,360 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 3: you don't deque him, but it's an accidental foul. Like

1119
00:50:57,320 --> 00:50:59,000
Speaker 3: none of that really adds up. You see, I'll tell

1120
00:50:59,000 --> 00:51:01,440
Speaker 3: you what the solution is to answer your question. Aside

1121
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 3: from the difficulty, you need a superior rule set. That

1122
00:51:04,320 --> 00:51:06,959
Speaker 3: shot should be legal, that's what should happen. That shot

1123
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,400
Speaker 3: should be legal. If they have knees down, that's different.

1124
00:51:09,680 --> 00:51:12,400
Speaker 3: There are situations where I think a grounded opponent should

1125
00:51:12,440 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 3: not have their head hit. But the simplest explanation is,

1126
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 3: what is the difference between that and him retracting his

1127
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:19,759
Speaker 3: arm in terms of what you would allow nothing, It

1128
00:51:19,760 --> 00:51:21,880
Speaker 3: would have landed exactly the same. The fact that he

1129
00:51:21,880 --> 00:51:24,319
Speaker 3: has a hand down to me is immaterial. The rule

1130
00:51:24,360 --> 00:51:26,680
Speaker 3: set sucks, and so it forces us to come up

1131
00:51:26,719 --> 00:51:30,200
Speaker 3: with these different conclusions and this fucked up algebra we're

1132
00:51:30,200 --> 00:51:32,480
Speaker 3: trying to do. Well, it's accidental, but it's DQ. Well

1133
00:51:32,520 --> 00:51:34,160
Speaker 3: it's not a DQ because it's not in the second,

1134
00:51:34,200 --> 00:51:34,520
Speaker 3: it's not.

1135
00:51:34,480 --> 00:51:34,920
Speaker 1: In the third.

1136
00:51:35,040 --> 00:51:37,239
Speaker 3: The shot should be legal, that's the answer. The shot

1137
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:39,640
Speaker 3: should be legal, and we just keep on moving with it,

1138
00:51:39,920 --> 00:51:43,279
Speaker 3: rather than this fucking rigamarole about what's accidental, what's not DQ?

1139
00:51:43,520 --> 00:51:45,920
Speaker 3: Or he passed the second round? Is it a technical decision?

1140
00:51:46,000 --> 00:51:48,840
Speaker 3: All of that is a function of having a shitty

1141
00:51:49,160 --> 00:51:51,080
Speaker 3: rule set about what is and isn't legal.

1142
00:51:51,239 --> 00:51:53,480
Speaker 2: And this isn't you saying, hey, bro, let's just let

1143
00:51:53,520 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 2: it all be legal. Let's do soccer kicks, let's joe side. No, no, no, no, no,

1144
00:51:56,760 --> 00:52:00,200
Speaker 2: se you're basically just saying, look that game that you play,

1145
00:52:00,200 --> 00:52:03,080
Speaker 2: which is a game of putting your hand down to

1146
00:52:03,080 --> 00:52:04,759
Speaker 2: to leave yourself in a spot where you can only

1147
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,479
Speaker 2: be punched because your appointed standing. I kind of agree

1148
00:52:07,480 --> 00:52:08,920
Speaker 2: with you. If it's a me, it's a little bit

1149
00:52:08,960 --> 00:52:11,279
Speaker 2: more obvious. It's a little harder to play that game,

1150
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:13,839
Speaker 2: although you still could, but it takes that away from it.

1151
00:52:13,880 --> 00:52:17,359
Speaker 2: What I hate, Luke, is the idea that whether it's

1152
00:52:17,400 --> 00:52:20,480
Speaker 2: the person committing the fall accidentally or not, and we're

1153
00:52:20,800 --> 00:52:23,439
Speaker 2: we can gauge did they do that on purpose? There's

1154
00:52:23,480 --> 00:52:26,520
Speaker 2: also to the person who is victimized, who who eventually

1155
00:52:26,520 --> 00:52:29,560
Speaker 2: had who essentially is in control, because look look at

1156
00:52:29,560 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 2: Anthony Smith, and you know, for all the fun we have, dude,

1157
00:52:32,280 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 2: he's a smart fighter, a warrior, and I always sort

1158
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,560
Speaker 2: of praise him, but not joking. He could have deheued

1159
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:41,799
Speaker 2: John Jones and won that title in a fight that

1160
00:52:41,840 --> 00:52:44,960
Speaker 2: he was down badly on if he had chosen not

1161
00:52:45,080 --> 00:52:48,480
Speaker 2: to continue. But he chose to continue. And I look

1162
00:52:48,560 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 2: back on that, Luke, and I say, like, damn, that's

1163
00:52:50,480 --> 00:52:53,759
Speaker 2: so respectful choice. What if the tables were turned here,

1164
00:52:53,960 --> 00:52:56,120
Speaker 2: what if Omar Gotziev was the guy who was up

1165
00:52:56,120 --> 00:52:59,880
Speaker 2: to nothing and it was Barralio rallying and Omar Goodziev.

1166
00:53:01,000 --> 00:53:03,799
Speaker 2: I know this situation, ain't I ain't continuing. I can't

1167
00:53:03,800 --> 00:53:08,359
Speaker 2: see bro I can't see I can't see he wins, right,

1168
00:53:08,440 --> 00:53:15,680
Speaker 2: technical decision. We cannot have stipulations that involved half or

1169
00:53:15,719 --> 00:53:19,320
Speaker 2: partially concussed fighters making in spots where they've got to

1170
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 2: kind of rationalize like should I continue? Do I have

1171
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:25,040
Speaker 2: a chance to lose somehow? Luke? And maybe again, maybe

1172
00:53:25,040 --> 00:53:27,600
Speaker 2: it's as simple as stretching the rules a little bit further.

1173
00:53:28,120 --> 00:53:30,760
Speaker 2: You gotta this gray area sucks and anytime there's titles involved,

1174
00:53:30,760 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 2: that sucks way worse. So, uh is it? But but

1175
00:53:35,040 --> 00:53:37,440
Speaker 2: look to the spirit of it though, And this does

1176
00:53:37,520 --> 00:53:39,359
Speaker 2: kind of cross over to boxing. There's been famous guys

1177
00:53:39,360 --> 00:53:41,840
Speaker 2: like Bernard Hopkins who for years have done the dirty tactics.

1178
00:53:41,880 --> 00:53:43,720
Speaker 2: You wait till the ref is on the other side

1179
00:53:43,719 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 2: of you. You punched the guy in the hip over.

1180
00:53:45,360 --> 00:53:47,560
Speaker 2: And I mean, there's always gonna be dirty tactics. But

1181
00:53:50,160 --> 00:53:55,719
Speaker 2: if you make the penalties stiffer, it forces people to change,

1182
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:56,239
Speaker 2: doesn't it.

1183
00:53:57,960 --> 00:54:01,120
Speaker 3: Not necessarily? No, there is a lot of sociological research

1184
00:54:01,160 --> 00:54:03,719
Speaker 3: that shows that the amount of the punishment isn't really

1185
00:54:03,800 --> 00:54:08,879
Speaker 3: the way to solve the problem.

1186
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:13,239
Speaker 2: Is this a socioeconomic stance you're taking on the legalization

1187
00:54:13,320 --> 00:54:14,240
Speaker 2: of drugs in Europe?

1188
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:16,040
Speaker 1: Luke, No, No, no, it's quite true.

1189
00:54:16,120 --> 00:54:18,120
Speaker 3: I mean if the war on drugs is sort of

1190
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:20,960
Speaker 3: emblematic of it, If the punishments being so severe were

1191
00:54:21,000 --> 00:54:24,040
Speaker 3: really the issue, I mean, the drugs wouldn't have won

1192
00:54:24,080 --> 00:54:26,080
Speaker 3: the War on drugs, but they did. They drugs have

1193
00:54:26,200 --> 00:54:29,879
Speaker 3: clearly won. So no, it doesn't work that way. I mean, yes,

1194
00:54:30,000 --> 00:54:32,480
Speaker 3: you certainly want to put in at least some level

1195
00:54:32,560 --> 00:54:36,279
Speaker 3: of deterrence through that, but if what you have, and

1196
00:54:36,320 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 3: sometimes it can work, to be clear. But the point

1197
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:40,880
Speaker 3: being is, if you're in a scenario where you have

1198
00:54:41,000 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 3: a lot of these kinds of moments popping up, just

1199
00:54:44,880 --> 00:54:47,440
Speaker 3: deterring it through strong punishment turns out it won't be enough.

1200
00:54:47,480 --> 00:54:49,840
Speaker 3: You have to find another way to assess and absorb

1201
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:52,080
Speaker 3: the problem. It seems to me like we just have it.

1202
00:54:52,360 --> 00:54:52,680
Speaker 1: Listen.

1203
00:54:53,400 --> 00:54:56,360
Speaker 3: I don't love everything about One Championship, I really don't,

1204
00:54:56,480 --> 00:54:58,600
Speaker 3: but I do think that their product is good and

1205
00:54:58,680 --> 00:55:02,200
Speaker 3: their rule set is learly superior to to the one

1206
00:55:02,239 --> 00:55:04,960
Speaker 3: we use in every way, both in how I think

1207
00:55:05,000 --> 00:55:08,520
Speaker 3: decisions are adjudicated and how these moments are They're just

1208
00:55:08,600 --> 00:55:11,520
Speaker 3: part of fighting. When you segment out, this is fighting.

1209
00:55:11,560 --> 00:55:13,279
Speaker 3: This is not what you have to do, right, You can't.

1210
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:15,400
Speaker 3: I god, you can't. Hairpul We would want those in place.

1211
00:55:15,800 --> 00:55:17,919
Speaker 3: Those are fairly easy to get around. But then it's

1212
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:21,239
Speaker 3: like strikes, hands up, hands down, knee here, this, that

1213
00:55:21,280 --> 00:55:24,480
Speaker 3: and the other. It creates an unnecessary complication that makes

1214
00:55:24,520 --> 00:55:25,759
Speaker 3: the rules hard to account for.

1215
00:55:26,440 --> 00:55:29,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, and look, we've already known in previous years

1216
00:55:29,239 --> 00:55:32,799
Speaker 2: how absurd it is that state by state the rule

1217
00:55:32,800 --> 00:55:35,279
Speaker 2: book is different in certain categories, and you have times

1218
00:55:35,280 --> 00:55:37,920
Speaker 2: of the UFC announcers going, wait, I'm not sure what

1219
00:55:38,000 --> 00:55:40,440
Speaker 2: state are we in. What's the rules here? That shit's

1220
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:43,040
Speaker 2: got to be leveled out. But based on your one comment,

1221
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 2: do you think fights should be scored pride rules full

1222
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,400
Speaker 2: fightin I.

1223
00:55:50,400 --> 00:55:52,800
Speaker 1: Think it's a vastly superior way to do it. Yes,

1224
00:55:53,640 --> 00:55:54,640
Speaker 1: that's interesting, I do.

1225
00:55:54,840 --> 00:55:56,880
Speaker 3: I think what happens when you go round by round

1226
00:55:56,960 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 3: one there is a little bit of what the overall

1227
00:55:59,600 --> 00:56:02,360
Speaker 3: effort you miss a little bit there. Although that's not

1228
00:56:02,400 --> 00:56:03,920
Speaker 3: the worst way to I mean, it's fine that by

1229
00:56:04,000 --> 00:56:06,160
Speaker 3: itself is not a reason to do it. But what

1230
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:10,000
Speaker 3: I've found is that and you know, this is my belief. Okay,

1231
00:56:10,040 --> 00:56:11,600
Speaker 3: so I don't know that there's a ton of data

1232
00:56:11,640 --> 00:56:13,479
Speaker 3: to support this. This is just sort of what i've seen,

1233
00:56:13,520 --> 00:56:15,320
Speaker 3: and so I'm open to the idea that this could,

1234
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,000
Speaker 3: with future evidence, not be true. But my belief at

1235
00:56:18,000 --> 00:56:20,680
Speaker 3: the moment, based on what I've seen, is that what

1236
00:56:20,800 --> 00:56:22,919
Speaker 3: ends up happening is as you introduce a half point

1237
00:56:22,960 --> 00:56:25,400
Speaker 3: system where you try to get real clever and ten

1238
00:56:25,560 --> 00:56:27,120
Speaker 3: nine means this and ten eight means that, and you

1239
00:56:27,160 --> 00:56:29,719
Speaker 3: get to these distinctions. A lot of times you can

1240
00:56:29,760 --> 00:56:31,719
Speaker 3: train some people up to do it, but it's not

1241
00:56:31,760 --> 00:56:33,840
Speaker 3: really all that easy to train folks up to it.

1242
00:56:33,920 --> 00:56:36,239
Speaker 1: And also, I just don't think you get it.

1243
00:56:36,280 --> 00:56:38,920
Speaker 3: Turns out to me that the more instruments you introduce

1244
00:56:39,040 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 3: to get fine tuning, you actually get further away. I

1245
00:56:42,560 --> 00:56:45,320
Speaker 3: actually feel like when you open up the space a

1246
00:56:45,360 --> 00:56:46,920
Speaker 3: little bit and you say, let me just judge this

1247
00:56:47,000 --> 00:56:49,960
Speaker 3: as a whole, it actually enables you to have the

1248
00:56:50,080 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 3: nuance and the latitude you need to account for all

1249
00:56:53,239 --> 00:56:55,080
Speaker 3: the variables to make a more important decision a little

1250
00:56:55,080 --> 00:56:57,200
Speaker 3: bit later. That's my personal belief. I just feel like

1251
00:56:57,239 --> 00:56:59,080
Speaker 3: we're stuck with this system because everyone's like, we ran

1252
00:56:59,120 --> 00:57:01,200
Speaker 3: to the government. We had to run to the government

1253
00:57:01,239 --> 00:57:04,200
Speaker 3: to survive. But now we have surrendered the rule set

1254
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:07,640
Speaker 3: to the d m V and uh, they may not

1255
00:57:07,719 --> 00:57:09,319
Speaker 3: be the best stewards of it, to be quite honest

1256
00:57:09,360 --> 00:57:09,560
Speaker 3: with you.

1257
00:57:10,200 --> 00:57:12,319
Speaker 2: A war on poverty, Luke, they got a war on

1258
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,600
Speaker 2: drugs so the police could bother me, right, you know

1259
00:57:14,600 --> 00:57:15,000
Speaker 2: what I mean?

1260
00:57:15,040 --> 00:57:15,839
Speaker 1: That's right, that's right.

1261
00:57:17,960 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 2: Thank you for your ted talk. Look, before you get

1262
00:57:20,040 --> 00:57:25,439
Speaker 2: off of this contest, uh conversation, Borlo, it's pretty damn

1263
00:57:25,440 --> 00:57:27,919
Speaker 2: good dude for a debut, Dude.

1264
00:57:27,920 --> 00:57:31,320
Speaker 1: Those tattoos are fearsome, free spirit on free.

1265
00:57:31,040 --> 00:57:34,400
Speaker 2: Spirit across the throat. Bro, that's like, that's.

1266
00:57:36,320 --> 00:57:36,640
Speaker 1: Okay.

1267
00:57:36,640 --> 00:57:39,560
Speaker 3: Who has Who's got the now? I can't answer this one.

1268
00:57:39,600 --> 00:57:42,800
Speaker 3: Only you can answer this one. Who's got the most

1269
00:57:43,160 --> 00:57:45,680
Speaker 3: BC friendly throat tattoo in the game?

1270
00:57:46,520 --> 00:57:47,080
Speaker 1: Wow?

1271
00:57:47,360 --> 00:57:49,520
Speaker 2: You mean that? I like? I don't know if I

1272
00:57:49,640 --> 00:57:53,640
Speaker 2: like any throat tattoos. You just so people know, you

1273
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,080
Speaker 2: have gone on record as you continue to put ink

1274
00:57:57,160 --> 00:57:58,520
Speaker 2: on your body. And I don't judge. I think you

1275
00:57:58,880 --> 00:58:01,480
Speaker 2: make you know for the it's part some strong artistic

1276
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:04,160
Speaker 2: choices and it's your life. Luke, and I still don't know.

1277
00:58:04,320 --> 00:58:06,680
Speaker 2: I saw your shirtless real quick. Once you got something

1278
00:58:06,720 --> 00:58:09,560
Speaker 2: over your navel. That's like like a Tupac thug life.

1279
00:58:09,920 --> 00:58:12,360
Speaker 2: You won't reveal what it says though. That's your that's

1280
00:58:12,360 --> 00:58:15,400
Speaker 2: your only your wife knows. Okay, that's right. You know

1281
00:58:15,440 --> 00:58:18,400
Speaker 2: what I'm saying. But you have said you're willing to

1282
00:58:18,440 --> 00:58:21,960
Speaker 2: go to the level of throat tat brother, and I

1283
00:58:22,000 --> 00:58:25,880
Speaker 2: instantly file this under I used to dunk in high school.

1284
00:58:26,800 --> 00:58:29,760
Speaker 2: I could drink fifty beers and not be buzzed up

1285
00:58:29,840 --> 00:58:33,560
Speaker 2: until a year ago. What other just outright oh foot

1286
00:58:33,680 --> 00:58:37,160
Speaker 2: jokes aside. There's no fucking way you watched Holloway Volkonovsky

1287
00:58:37,200 --> 00:58:40,840
Speaker 2: two forty nine times. Get the hell out of here.

1288
00:58:40,960 --> 00:58:42,360
Speaker 1: You can say no all you want.

1289
00:58:42,360 --> 00:58:45,480
Speaker 2: I really did I get this aint nineteen ninety one,

1290
00:58:45,520 --> 00:58:48,200
Speaker 2: where if you have a throat tat, you directly have

1291
00:58:48,360 --> 00:58:52,120
Speaker 2: left prison and to rejoin society. But you're telling me

1292
00:58:52,240 --> 00:58:55,480
Speaker 2: you're willing to get your throat tatted and then show

1293
00:58:55,600 --> 00:58:58,280
Speaker 2: up as a professional. It's been done. I get it,

1294
00:58:58,280 --> 00:59:00,560
Speaker 2: it can happen. It's standards.

1295
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,800
Speaker 3: You asked me, not You didn't ask me what I

1296
00:59:02,960 --> 00:59:05,320
Speaker 3: get it? Like next year you asked me, like, would

1297
00:59:05,320 --> 00:59:07,600
Speaker 3: I entertained that as a thing? Yeah, And the answer

1298
00:59:07,600 --> 00:59:09,480
Speaker 3: to that was yes, I would entertain that. Now, I

1299
00:59:09,520 --> 00:59:13,080
Speaker 3: will tell you I'm not in love with right under

1300
00:59:13,200 --> 00:59:15,840
Speaker 3: the like right under the chin line here. I kind

1301
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:20,240
Speaker 3: of like throat tats on the side. And of course,

1302
00:59:20,280 --> 00:59:22,480
Speaker 3: if it was going to imperil my professional future, that

1303
00:59:22,520 --> 00:59:25,360
Speaker 3: would probably dissuade me. But let's say BC I hit

1304
00:59:25,480 --> 00:59:28,000
Speaker 3: the lottery tomorrow and I got a billion dollars, I

1305
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:30,640
Speaker 3: would probably have a neck tattoo within a month.

1306
00:59:30,720 --> 00:59:32,920
Speaker 1: I'll put it that way, all right.

1307
00:59:32,960 --> 00:59:35,680
Speaker 2: So to answer your question, that's I don't believe you.

1308
00:59:35,720 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 2: But that to answer your question, Jervonte, Oh do you

1309
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:38,360
Speaker 2: not believe me? Dude?

1310
00:59:38,360 --> 00:59:39,920
Speaker 3: Here's the other part about it. Like tattoo is not

1311
00:59:39,960 --> 00:59:41,880
Speaker 3: what it used to be. You can just get lydacane

1312
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:43,920
Speaker 3: or tkt X and you can just throw it on

1313
00:59:43,960 --> 00:59:46,000
Speaker 3: your throat and you don't feel a thing or very

1314
00:59:46,040 --> 00:59:48,880
Speaker 3: little anyway, vazacane you can get the same thing.

1315
00:59:49,840 --> 00:59:52,720
Speaker 2: Are people getting? Is it easier to get tattoos removed

1316
00:59:52,720 --> 00:59:55,280
Speaker 2: these days? I ask you this because I saw Raquel

1317
00:59:55,320 --> 00:59:58,720
Speaker 2: Pennington fight and you can see fadedly see those two stars.

1318
00:59:58,720 --> 01:00:01,080
Speaker 2: She used to have on her ship, So what is

1319
01:00:01,080 --> 01:00:02,480
Speaker 2: she doing to make that go away list?

1320
01:00:02,520 --> 01:00:04,400
Speaker 3: So there's a bunch of companies that laser them off,

1321
01:00:04,440 --> 01:00:05,960
Speaker 3: and it used to be a little rare, Now it's

1322
01:00:06,000 --> 01:00:08,439
Speaker 3: a lot. It's it's still quite painful and it's not cheap,

1323
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,600
Speaker 3: although it's not as expensive as getting a tat. Well,

1324
01:00:10,640 --> 01:00:12,480
Speaker 3: it depends where you get your tattoo. That can be

1325
01:00:12,480 --> 01:00:14,720
Speaker 3: somewhat on par. But there's a place here in DC

1326
01:00:14,880 --> 01:00:18,000
Speaker 3: called Zappa Tat shouts to zapatat and you go in

1327
01:00:18,000 --> 01:00:19,920
Speaker 3: there and you get enough treatments, they just zap it.

1328
01:00:19,920 --> 01:00:22,160
Speaker 3: It takes It doesn't happen all at once. You have

1329
01:00:22,200 --> 01:00:24,680
Speaker 3: to kind of burn the skin off slowly, right, but

1330
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:26,360
Speaker 3: as you do it, you saw her as getting removed.

1331
01:00:26,360 --> 01:00:28,520
Speaker 3: It actually works quite well. But just imagine if you

1332
01:00:28,560 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 3: got your throat tattooed, you'd have to go right back

1333
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:33,680
Speaker 3: and then get it zapped off. That would be probably

1334
01:00:33,720 --> 01:00:36,600
Speaker 3: pretty painful, but like here, yeah, I would get that sure.

1335
01:00:37,280 --> 01:00:39,280
Speaker 2: So do you have thug life around your navel?

1336
01:00:39,720 --> 01:00:39,800
Speaker 1: No?

1337
01:00:39,840 --> 01:00:43,120
Speaker 3: I did not have thug life around my navel. Jesus Christ,

1338
01:00:43,160 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 3: be see.

1339
01:00:44,000 --> 01:00:46,400
Speaker 2: I would have more respect for you than I if

1340
01:00:46,440 --> 01:00:50,320
Speaker 2: I did. All right, fair enough, all right, real quick,

1341
01:00:50,600 --> 01:00:54,320
Speaker 2: burral yo, potential potential player. I know it's one fight,

1342
01:00:54,600 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 2: but i'll tell you what.

1343
01:00:56,400 --> 01:00:56,960
Speaker 1: I'll tell you what.

1344
01:00:57,040 --> 01:00:59,800
Speaker 3: He was athletic, he had good timing for the most part,

1345
01:01:00,080 --> 01:01:01,360
Speaker 3: back takes, skills were pretty strong.

1346
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:03,240
Speaker 1: Yeah, it was a strong debut for sure.

1347
01:01:03,680 --> 01:01:06,240
Speaker 3: It ended in total weirdness, which to your point means

1348
01:01:06,240 --> 01:01:07,280
Speaker 3: everyone kind of forgets.

1349
01:01:07,000 --> 01:01:07,520
Speaker 1: About what happened.

1350
01:01:07,520 --> 01:01:10,240
Speaker 3: But I agree with you, like Omar Gotziev, you know,

1351
01:01:10,320 --> 01:01:11,720
Speaker 3: he was kind of off balance a little bit. I

1352
01:01:11,760 --> 01:01:13,400
Speaker 3: mean literally, there was one point, I think it was

1353
01:01:13,400 --> 01:01:15,080
Speaker 3: the second round, maybe maybe it was a third, but

1354
01:01:15,640 --> 01:01:19,640
Speaker 3: where Bihalio takes the back because Godzeev off balanced himself

1355
01:01:19,720 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 3: and fell over throwing a punch.

1356
01:01:21,120 --> 01:01:21,680
Speaker 1: Do you remember that?

1357
01:01:21,920 --> 01:01:23,720
Speaker 3: And I was like, okay, all right, I mean you

1358
01:01:23,720 --> 01:01:25,880
Speaker 3: can't be doing shit like that. But to your point, yeah,

1359
01:01:25,920 --> 01:01:28,080
Speaker 3: he looked pretty good. Like he's definitely a prospect to

1360
01:01:28,120 --> 01:01:28,880
Speaker 3: watch for sure.

1361
01:01:29,200 --> 01:01:31,640
Speaker 2: For sure, Okay, okay. I mean the rest of the

1362
01:01:31,680 --> 01:01:36,480
Speaker 2: card was was a fair mix of like you know,

1363
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:43,960
Speaker 2: adult club, buffet, strict club card. The card was yeah, yeah, yeah,

1364
01:01:44,000 --> 01:01:44,800
Speaker 2: all right, let's.

1365
01:01:44,600 --> 01:01:46,440
Speaker 3: Talk about at least a strong top of the card.

1366
01:01:46,520 --> 01:01:49,240
Speaker 3: Let's go to point number four here BC, Patricio Pitbull now,

1367
01:01:49,280 --> 01:01:51,360
Speaker 3: of course for the Ugas fight and then for this

1368
01:01:51,440 --> 01:01:53,080
Speaker 3: bell to Or fight. We did do a postfight show,

1369
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:54,640
Speaker 3: so we won't belabor the whole point, but it is

1370
01:01:54,640 --> 01:01:57,960
Speaker 3: worth going over. Patricio Pitbull, he got revenge BC.

1371
01:01:58,120 --> 01:01:58,960
Speaker 1: Can you believe it?

1372
01:01:59,000 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 3: Defeating aj mc of course in the main event of

1373
01:02:01,640 --> 01:02:07,680
Speaker 3: Villatour two seventy seven BC. Did the win prove that

1374
01:02:07,720 --> 01:02:11,480
Speaker 3: Pitbull is better than McKee? Or did McKee get robbed?

1375
01:02:13,000 --> 01:02:15,000
Speaker 2: I don't think it proved that he's better than McKee. No,

1376
01:02:15,680 --> 01:02:18,040
Speaker 2: I mean we saw him get you know, taken care

1377
01:02:18,080 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 2: of quickly in the first fight. Boy, do I want

1378
01:02:20,400 --> 01:02:21,840
Speaker 2: to see a third one? Did he get robbed? I

1379
01:02:21,920 --> 01:02:24,400
Speaker 2: think is the right? You know, next day or two

1380
01:02:24,480 --> 01:02:27,440
Speaker 2: three days later? Discussion and you know you and I

1381
01:02:27,440 --> 01:02:29,680
Speaker 2: got a lot of people coming at us going, oh,

1382
01:02:29,720 --> 01:02:33,000
Speaker 2: showtime company men, of course they'd support Pitbull. Well, no, bro,

1383
01:02:33,120 --> 01:02:34,800
Speaker 2: First of all, do we think it was as wide

1384
01:02:34,840 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 2: as that one? Judge?

1385
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:35,800
Speaker 1: Need?

1386
01:02:36,040 --> 01:02:39,360
Speaker 3: I like how people think that we do Belatore's bidding

1387
01:02:39,360 --> 01:02:42,480
Speaker 3: for them. You should ask someone from Bellatore whether they

1388
01:02:42,520 --> 01:02:44,640
Speaker 3: think MK does their bidding. I think you might be

1389
01:02:44,680 --> 01:02:46,920
Speaker 3: a little bit surprised. At the answer you get yeah.

1390
01:02:46,720 --> 01:02:48,400
Speaker 2: Like I think they would prefer if we stop talking

1391
01:02:48,440 --> 01:02:52,000
Speaker 2: about yeah. Uh you know. And but look, do I

1392
01:02:52,040 --> 01:02:54,520
Speaker 2: feel it was a three to two fight either way? Yes,

1393
01:02:54,640 --> 01:02:58,040
Speaker 2: there was some high level chess match elements to this fight,

1394
01:02:58,520 --> 01:03:01,760
Speaker 2: And I think when you get fights like that, it's

1395
01:03:01,880 --> 01:03:05,520
Speaker 2: easy to play the you know, the the case of

1396
01:03:05,560 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 2: which guy you thought had done enough, whether it's due

1397
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:10,479
Speaker 2: to leg strikes, whether it's due to whatever. I thought.

1398
01:03:10,480 --> 01:03:14,080
Speaker 2: I saw an AJ McKee get frustrated and neutralized by

1399
01:03:14,160 --> 01:03:18,640
Speaker 2: Pipple's poised ability to stand in the pocket and force

1400
01:03:18,760 --> 01:03:21,680
Speaker 2: McKee to come to him and put enough of a

1401
01:03:21,720 --> 01:03:24,360
Speaker 2: threat with the right hand counter and to really carry

1402
01:03:24,360 --> 01:03:27,160
Speaker 2: it out. Now, did McKee come on light? Absolutely? It

1403
01:03:27,200 --> 01:03:29,280
Speaker 2: did feel like a tale of two fights. If you

1404
01:03:29,360 --> 01:03:31,000
Speaker 2: had a three two mcke Luke, I wouldn't have had

1405
01:03:31,000 --> 01:03:34,000
Speaker 2: a problem. If McKee won a unanimous decision across all three,

1406
01:03:34,280 --> 01:03:37,440
Speaker 2: I wouldn't have had a problem. But robbery, get the

1407
01:03:37,480 --> 01:03:39,440
Speaker 2: hell out of here. I mean, it's fun to do

1408
01:03:39,480 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 2: the to do the conspiracy thing. And granted I've I've

1409
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:44,920
Speaker 2: led the charge on a lot of bad conspiracies. You know. Oh,

1410
01:03:44,960 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 2: he came out and demanded a million dollars. Scott Koker's

1411
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:49,680
Speaker 2: doing the okie dough to make sure he stays around.

1412
01:03:49,760 --> 01:03:52,720
Speaker 2: Like remember when Tim Bradley got that decision against Manny Packyew,

1413
01:03:52,760 --> 01:03:55,120
Speaker 2: It's like, oh, Bob, aerm doesn't want pack you out

1414
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:56,919
Speaker 2: to fight Mayweather, so he's gonna keep him here longer.

1415
01:03:56,960 --> 01:03:58,920
Speaker 2: I don't come on, come on, bro, We're not No,

1416
01:03:58,960 --> 01:04:01,400
Speaker 2: we're not doing that at Bell two seventy seven. But

1417
01:04:01,520 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 2: it was the type of deal where it turned into

1418
01:04:03,480 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 2: a chess match, and when you play chess at a

1419
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:08,160
Speaker 2: high level and leave it up to the judges discretion,

1420
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 2: you get what you get, Luke, and that's what it was.

1421
01:04:11,160 --> 01:04:13,280
Speaker 2: You have to admit, no matter how you scored it,

1422
01:04:13,880 --> 01:04:16,960
Speaker 2: that McKee was neutralized. And that's a big part of

1423
01:04:17,280 --> 01:04:19,439
Speaker 2: the greatness of Pitbull to be able to put forth

1424
01:04:19,440 --> 01:04:22,880
Speaker 2: this performance at thirty four in a weight class really

1425
01:04:22,920 --> 01:04:25,760
Speaker 2: above where he probably belongs against a guy who finished

1426
01:04:25,800 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 2: him in just over a minute. Yeah, I was hella

1427
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:30,120
Speaker 2: impressed by this, And boy do I want to see

1428
01:04:30,120 --> 01:04:30,840
Speaker 2: this a third time?

1429
01:04:31,160 --> 01:04:32,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm with you.

1430
01:04:32,160 --> 01:04:34,520
Speaker 3: I had the first three rounds for Pitbull, probably the

1431
01:04:34,600 --> 01:04:37,680
Speaker 3: last two for McKee. Could you find another one for McKee?

1432
01:04:37,720 --> 01:04:40,360
Speaker 3: Within the first three you probably could not all of them.

1433
01:04:40,360 --> 01:04:41,960
Speaker 3: I think some of them were pretty definitive. But maybe

1434
01:04:42,000 --> 01:04:44,240
Speaker 3: there's another one there. And so if you out there

1435
01:04:44,280 --> 01:04:46,600
Speaker 3: scored it for aj McKee, I don't agree, but I

1436
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,560
Speaker 3: don't find that egregious and I would have, you know,

1437
01:04:48,760 --> 01:04:51,000
Speaker 3: said I'm just the same. I don't agree, but okay,

1438
01:04:51,040 --> 01:04:53,439
Speaker 3: he wins. But dude, Pitbull. We got to say something

1439
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:56,720
Speaker 3: about Pitbull Man because I did. We did not count

1440
01:04:56,800 --> 01:04:59,000
Speaker 3: him out heading into the first five. We thought he

1441
01:04:59,040 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 3: was a very much alive dof and then he got

1442
01:05:00,560 --> 01:05:02,800
Speaker 3: run over and you're like, okay, well, you know that

1443
01:05:02,920 --> 01:05:05,240
Speaker 3: was an incredible moment for aj McKee. And I still

1444
01:05:05,240 --> 01:05:07,600
Speaker 3: think aj McKee, I will say, unlike Hugus, I think

1445
01:05:07,640 --> 01:05:10,040
Speaker 3: his stock dropped a little, which we'll talk about just

1446
01:05:10,080 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 3: a second. But for Pitbull BC, I thought his stock

1447
01:05:13,240 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 3: boomed back to kind of where it was. This guy

1448
01:05:15,840 --> 01:05:19,320
Speaker 3: is the king of rematches, and this is what it's

1449
01:05:19,400 --> 01:05:21,280
Speaker 3: like when you get a well rounded guy who, yes,

1450
01:05:21,520 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 3: fought another very very tough guy in aj McKee, a

1451
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:28,480
Speaker 3: very very elite fighter, but but for him to have,

1452
01:05:28,560 --> 01:05:32,960
Speaker 3: as you put it, that poise, that understanding, those adjustments

1453
01:05:33,080 --> 01:05:37,080
Speaker 3: and everything else, man you to have all of that ability,

1454
01:05:37,320 --> 01:05:40,600
Speaker 3: all of that firepower not be shop worn at this

1455
01:05:40,680 --> 01:05:43,600
Speaker 3: stage in his game. He's a fucking iron man BC

1456
01:05:44,000 --> 01:05:46,560
Speaker 3: to be around this long and the wars he's been

1457
01:05:46,640 --> 01:05:49,240
Speaker 3: in and he's still this fresh where he could come

1458
01:05:49,280 --> 01:05:51,320
Speaker 3: back from a defeat like this and then still have

1459
01:05:51,400 --> 01:05:55,400
Speaker 3: the mental fortitude to want to like recapture lost glory. Dude,

1460
01:05:55,400 --> 01:05:57,120
Speaker 3: he is a fucking Marvel.

1461
01:05:57,560 --> 01:05:58,280
Speaker 1: Pitbull is a.

1462
01:05:58,480 --> 01:06:01,200
Speaker 2: Once moved up to lightweight in one Michael Chandler, I mean,

1463
01:06:01,240 --> 01:06:03,520
Speaker 2: this guy's like, I mean.

1464
01:06:03,400 --> 01:06:07,200
Speaker 1: Come on, I just feel like he didn't get people.

1465
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:08,480
Speaker 1: There was a lot of people who.

1466
01:06:08,280 --> 01:06:10,280
Speaker 3: Did not tune into pit Bull ever, and then they

1467
01:06:10,360 --> 01:06:12,200
Speaker 3: went they tuned in for the McKee fight, being like, Okay,

1468
01:06:12,240 --> 01:06:13,840
Speaker 3: what's this all about? And then he gets waxed and

1469
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:16,680
Speaker 3: they're like, oh, that's everyone playing up. You know Belltre's

1470
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,280
Speaker 3: guy's being better than they are. Well, that wasn't a

1471
01:06:18,280 --> 01:06:20,400
Speaker 3: good showing for him, quite obviously, and this was a

1472
01:06:20,480 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 3: much better one. But I just want to say a

1473
01:06:21,840 --> 01:06:25,200
Speaker 3: moment for pit Bull truly, his career reminds me, reminds

1474
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:29,880
Speaker 3: me of Aldo's, right. This guy just so resilient over time,

1475
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,720
Speaker 3: so good over time, including being a championship level good

1476
01:06:33,720 --> 01:06:36,720
Speaker 3: on Saturday Night. Now for McKee, BC, he had a

1477
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 3: dude to get out of that guillotine that was deep

1478
01:06:40,000 --> 01:06:43,080
Speaker 3: in the third was utterly remarkable by him, and again

1479
01:06:43,120 --> 01:06:45,320
Speaker 3: to turn the fight around and then stick it to

1480
01:06:45,320 --> 01:06:48,080
Speaker 3: pit Bull in the last two. It tells me he

1481
01:06:48,200 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 3: is obviously destined for greatness. But do you agree with

1482
01:06:50,360 --> 01:06:53,760
Speaker 3: my assessment that maybe after the first fight with pit Bull,

1483
01:06:53,880 --> 01:06:57,120
Speaker 3: given what we saw here, you might did he come

1484
01:06:57,160 --> 01:06:58,640
Speaker 3: back down to earth a little bit?

1485
01:06:59,480 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, horse a little bit? Because you have to understand

1486
01:07:02,200 --> 01:07:05,560
Speaker 2: that AJ McKee was was dancing in the clouds basically.

1487
01:07:05,640 --> 01:07:08,320
Speaker 2: You know, we were using words like tiger woods, if

1488
01:07:08,320 --> 01:07:10,840
Speaker 2: what Mayweather of MMA. No, does he come down a

1489
01:07:10,840 --> 01:07:13,120
Speaker 2: bit from that? Of course he does, because you have

1490
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:15,800
Speaker 2: to remember, like I mean, he was the homegrown bellat

1491
01:07:15,840 --> 01:07:18,160
Speaker 2: Or product who ran through that tournament. But we're all like,

1492
01:07:18,440 --> 01:07:20,800
Speaker 2: the reason why their first fight was billed as the

1493
01:07:20,920 --> 01:07:23,360
Speaker 2: you know, biggest best fight in belt Or history was

1494
01:07:23,400 --> 01:07:25,680
Speaker 2: because he's going up against Pitbull, the face of the company,

1495
01:07:25,680 --> 01:07:28,200
Speaker 2: and then he fucking destroyed him in a minute. So yes,

1496
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:31,640
Speaker 2: he reached the level of just almost like damn, what

1497
01:07:31,680 --> 01:07:33,800
Speaker 2: are we seeing here? Are we seeing the future? Are

1498
01:07:33,800 --> 01:07:36,040
Speaker 2: we seeing the next big thing? Does he lose a

1499
01:07:36,040 --> 01:07:38,240
Speaker 2: little bit of that? Of course he does. He just lost.

1500
01:07:38,640 --> 01:07:42,200
Speaker 2: But Luke, he lost to an all time great. He

1501
01:07:42,680 --> 01:07:46,400
Speaker 2: escaped this all time great guillotine master's guillotine and rallied

1502
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,040
Speaker 2: and was the fresher fighter late and bloodied the guy

1503
01:07:49,240 --> 01:07:52,400
Speaker 2: down the finish. And I think most importantly, McKee's got

1504
01:07:52,840 --> 01:07:56,360
Speaker 2: the defense of I think I beat him, and there's

1505
01:07:56,400 --> 01:07:59,640
Speaker 2: a large group out there that think I beat him too, Luke.

1506
01:07:59,640 --> 01:08:02,480
Speaker 2: If he go back there in the trilogy and definitively

1507
01:08:02,520 --> 01:08:07,560
Speaker 2: beats Pipple, I think he regains most of what happens.

1508
01:08:07,600 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 2: So does he take a step back. Of course, you lose,

1509
01:08:09,400 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 2: You're gonna take a step back, But this is not

1510
01:08:11,880 --> 01:08:15,200
Speaker 2: you know, long term damaging to to to where his

1511
01:08:15,240 --> 01:08:18,519
Speaker 2: potential goes. MMA is different than boxing. It's a lot

1512
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 2: harder to pull off with Floyd Mayweather did. There are

1513
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:22,720
Speaker 2: so many ways to lose the fight, including the way

1514
01:08:22,760 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 2: he lost this one. But no, Luke, we are still

1515
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:28,640
Speaker 2: looking at at a at a future grate and I

1516
01:08:28,640 --> 01:08:31,080
Speaker 2: think it really raises the stakes for this third fight.

1517
01:08:31,120 --> 01:08:33,639
Speaker 2: And again I said this Friday night in our Reaction show,

1518
01:08:33,640 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 2: when I was wearing a drug rug and some loud

1519
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,200
Speaker 2: basketball shorts that were, you know, creeping up, Luke, Okay,

1520
01:08:41,240 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 2: in hindsight, you know, wow right, I mean it's hindsight

1521
01:08:44,479 --> 01:08:48,559
Speaker 2: twenty twenty in this case. Wow, bro. My point was

1522
01:08:48,600 --> 01:08:51,479
Speaker 2: that if you're a Bellatour, you get a trilogy, but

1523
01:08:51,560 --> 01:08:53,439
Speaker 2: with your two greatest fighters of all time. Yeah, I

1524
01:08:53,520 --> 01:08:55,559
Speaker 2: kind of I kind of like this. This, This could

1525
01:08:55,560 --> 01:08:56,680
Speaker 2: be good for business.

1526
01:08:56,320 --> 01:08:58,519
Speaker 3: In the long run, Luke, all right, what about the

1527
01:08:58,560 --> 01:09:01,240
Speaker 3: idea that what a Jamickey said, which is he's going

1528
01:09:01,240 --> 01:09:03,960
Speaker 3: to one fifty five after this so he could go

1529
01:09:04,000 --> 01:09:06,559
Speaker 3: and fight the other pit bull and get the belt

1530
01:09:06,640 --> 01:09:07,800
Speaker 3: right back at one fifty five.

1531
01:09:07,840 --> 01:09:08,719
Speaker 1: Do you like that idea?

1532
01:09:09,320 --> 01:09:12,479
Speaker 2: That's a savvy business move for him, under the grounds

1533
01:09:12,479 --> 01:09:14,800
Speaker 2: of what we think we know his contract to be.

1534
01:09:14,840 --> 01:09:16,240
Speaker 2: And I say, we think we know based on what

1535
01:09:16,280 --> 01:09:18,280
Speaker 2: Ariel said. Coker was asked about it after the fight,

1536
01:09:18,360 --> 01:09:20,080
Speaker 2: He's like, you know, I don't really know. I mean,

1537
01:09:20,120 --> 01:09:22,400
Speaker 2: Scott Coker was asked, is AJ a pre agent now?

1538
01:09:22,600 --> 01:09:25,160
Speaker 2: And Scott's response was, I don't really know, So do

1539
01:09:25,240 --> 01:09:27,360
Speaker 2: I really know? No? But the point is, if we

1540
01:09:27,520 --> 01:09:29,719
Speaker 2: believe that AJ's got two fights left on the deal

1541
01:09:30,080 --> 01:09:34,400
Speaker 2: at the current rate. What's his best chance to improve

1542
01:09:34,439 --> 01:09:37,679
Speaker 2: his leverage in marketing ability if they'll let him, Yes,

1543
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:41,000
Speaker 2: going up to one fifty five and winning a championship. Oh,

1544
01:09:41,040 --> 01:09:43,599
Speaker 2: storyline wise, it just so happens that the guy's brother's

1545
01:09:43,600 --> 01:09:45,960
Speaker 2: standing there. You know, it's like the old Michael Chandler thing.

1546
01:09:45,960 --> 01:09:49,080
Speaker 2: He won punched Patriachy, you know, and and and and

1547
01:09:49,160 --> 01:09:50,840
Speaker 2: you know you gotta go after the brother, right and

1548
01:09:50,880 --> 01:09:55,559
Speaker 2: it's it's it's it's it's a smart, savvy move. If

1549
01:09:55,600 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 2: he can pull it off, and it shows how great

1550
01:09:57,320 --> 01:09:58,960
Speaker 2: of a fighter would be, And if he could come

1551
01:09:59,000 --> 01:10:02,639
Speaker 2: back to a Featherway Championship trilogy against Pitbull after having

1552
01:10:02,680 --> 01:10:06,800
Speaker 2: beaten his brother for the belt that Patricio Pipple gave up. Yeah,

1553
01:10:06,840 --> 01:10:09,760
Speaker 2: it just rights itself. It puts aj mcckee back in

1554
01:10:09,800 --> 01:10:12,120
Speaker 2: a strong leverage driving position. And I think we can

1555
01:10:12,160 --> 01:10:14,120
Speaker 2: say this, Luke, it's a savvy young man. He understands

1556
01:10:14,120 --> 01:10:18,800
Speaker 2: this potential value. He's trying to leverage it. Step back

1557
01:10:18,960 --> 01:10:20,800
Speaker 2: a little one here, a little one against a great

1558
01:10:20,800 --> 01:10:23,720
Speaker 2: fighter in a fun and interesting chess match that I

1559
01:10:23,720 --> 01:10:26,360
Speaker 2: don't think people realize that what they were watching at times,

1560
01:10:26,400 --> 01:10:29,320
Speaker 2: but we gotta do this third fight Luke before the

1561
01:10:29,360 --> 01:10:32,080
Speaker 2: end of this two fight deal in my opinion, right.

1562
01:10:31,960 --> 01:10:32,920
Speaker 1: Well, I'll tell you this much.

1563
01:10:32,960 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 3: If he goes up to one point fifty five, he's

1564
01:10:35,120 --> 01:10:37,080
Speaker 3: an instant contender. I mean, we kind of know that,

1565
01:10:37,120 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 3: but let me just read the names. Obviously, Petricky is

1566
01:10:38,960 --> 01:10:41,880
Speaker 3: a champion. So ranked number one is Sydney Outlaw to

1567
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,720
Speaker 3: Brent premis three, Benson Henderson now four against a little

1568
01:10:44,760 --> 01:10:46,959
Speaker 3: dicey I think, because this dude's about to hammer everybody.

1569
01:10:47,240 --> 01:10:49,040
Speaker 3: Uspin number goa made Off is sitting at four, Peter

1570
01:10:49,120 --> 01:10:51,599
Speaker 3: Creeley at five. Okay, I don't know about against Usmin

1571
01:10:51,640 --> 01:10:54,000
Speaker 3: although even him he probably is competitive against, but he's

1572
01:10:54,040 --> 01:10:57,720
Speaker 3: basically for the most part, he's competitive against any of

1573
01:10:57,720 --> 01:10:59,280
Speaker 3: those guys, and I would favor him to beat the

1574
01:10:59,320 --> 01:11:00,479
Speaker 3: majority of them, wouldn't you?

1575
01:11:01,760 --> 01:11:04,360
Speaker 2: Yes, Yes, I would I And I have though long

1576
01:11:04,400 --> 01:11:06,559
Speaker 2: said that watch out down the road for Belator if

1577
01:11:06,560 --> 01:11:09,280
Speaker 2: they can end up keeping McKee, Ousmann and Magamett off

1578
01:11:09,320 --> 01:11:11,320
Speaker 2: versus A. J. McKee is the fight that gets me

1579
01:11:11,400 --> 01:11:14,000
Speaker 2: so fricking fired up. But by the way, as would

1580
01:11:14,360 --> 01:11:16,240
Speaker 2: as would and Aaron Pico when he's ready to go

1581
01:11:16,280 --> 01:11:18,360
Speaker 2: to the title level. If it happens at featherweight with

1582
01:11:18,439 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 2: mckea's champion, I'd be just as fired up for that.

1583
01:11:20,520 --> 01:11:24,120
Speaker 2: But yeah, Luke, I saw a lot of negative takes

1584
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:27,160
Speaker 2: coming off of this fight. I got positive takes. It

1585
01:11:27,200 --> 01:11:28,280
Speaker 2: was a fun and interesting fight.

1586
01:11:29,240 --> 01:11:31,120
Speaker 3: Oh they thought that both guys looked bad or something.

1587
01:11:31,160 --> 01:11:33,040
Speaker 3: I don't know how you could make that assessment from this.

1588
01:11:33,280 --> 01:11:37,240
Speaker 2: Yeah. Again, it's it's this obcnlt oh carry water for anybody? Really?

1589
01:11:37,520 --> 01:11:37,600
Speaker 3: Uh?

1590
01:11:37,680 --> 01:11:39,920
Speaker 2: Do I think both of these guys would be favored

1591
01:11:39,960 --> 01:11:42,559
Speaker 2: against Alexander Volkanowski tomorrow or Max Holloway?

1592
01:11:42,800 --> 01:11:42,920
Speaker 3: No?

1593
01:11:43,360 --> 01:11:45,160
Speaker 2: Do I think they compete in that fight and have

1594
01:11:45,200 --> 01:11:48,400
Speaker 2: a chance to win? Yes? Look at them? What do

1595
01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:49,040
Speaker 2: you not see?

1596
01:11:49,240 --> 01:11:49,400
Speaker 1: Yes?

1597
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:51,599
Speaker 3: To be clear, everyone's like, oh, how good are they?

1598
01:11:51,680 --> 01:11:54,280
Speaker 3: I would favor Max to beat both. Oh sorry, I

1599
01:11:54,320 --> 01:11:59,800
Speaker 3: would favorite Alex to beat both. Max to Probably it's

1600
01:12:00,000 --> 01:12:03,559
Speaker 3: competitive with Pitbull and Max, it's very very competitive. But

1601
01:12:04,160 --> 01:12:06,920
Speaker 3: other than that, Yeah, I mean, are we asking Ken

1602
01:12:06,920 --> 01:12:08,559
Speaker 3: the UFC chant beat the Bellator champion?

1603
01:12:08,600 --> 01:12:08,720
Speaker 1: Yes?

1604
01:12:08,760 --> 01:12:10,680
Speaker 3: I think he beats anybody in that way class no

1605
01:12:10,720 --> 01:12:13,160
Speaker 3: matter what, Fine and Lou, these guys are right up there,

1606
01:12:13,280 --> 01:12:14,760
Speaker 3: top five, top three talent.

1607
01:12:15,160 --> 01:12:18,200
Speaker 2: And anyone's saying, oh, no beltoor second dude, Michael Chandler

1608
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:20,800
Speaker 2: just walked into the UFC. I know he went one

1609
01:12:20,840 --> 01:12:23,280
Speaker 2: and two in his first three, but he knocked down

1610
01:12:23,400 --> 01:12:26,320
Speaker 2: the lightweight champion, the guy that's finishing everybody and was

1611
01:12:26,400 --> 01:12:28,479
Speaker 2: that close to winning the championship. So come on, what

1612
01:12:28,560 --> 01:12:29,160
Speaker 2: are we doing here?

1613
01:12:29,360 --> 01:12:31,000
Speaker 1: Yeah? What are we doing? All right, let's move to

1614
01:12:31,040 --> 01:12:31,840
Speaker 1: point number five here.

1615
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:34,080
Speaker 3: Quite lastly, this was a bit of a shame, but

1616
01:12:34,120 --> 01:12:35,559
Speaker 3: you seem to think it was good news. I don't

1617
01:12:35,600 --> 01:12:38,040
Speaker 3: think it's bad news, but I was hoping for more finality.

1618
01:12:38,040 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 3: But either way, we did not get a winner in

1619
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 3: the finals of the beltoor two hundred and five Grand Prix.

1620
01:12:42,520 --> 01:12:47,080
Speaker 3: But Corey Anderson was winning handily basically up until that point.

1621
01:12:47,280 --> 01:12:49,759
Speaker 3: So BC, when you think about it, is the story

1622
01:12:49,760 --> 01:12:51,639
Speaker 3: of the fight that there's going to be a rematch

1623
01:12:51,640 --> 01:12:54,240
Speaker 3: and we don't know who's better, or that we know

1624
01:12:54,280 --> 01:12:56,639
Speaker 3: who's better. But by the time you saw enough from

1625
01:12:56,720 --> 01:12:58,840
Speaker 3: Nemkov's that when they rematch, you think he's got better

1626
01:12:58,960 --> 01:13:02,559
Speaker 3: chances or are we just delaying the coronation of Corey Anderson.

1627
01:13:02,920 --> 01:13:04,680
Speaker 2: No, we're not, And I don't like you using the

1628
01:13:04,760 --> 01:13:07,640
Speaker 2: term handily he was up two rounds to one and

1629
01:13:07,680 --> 01:13:10,479
Speaker 2: had made the adjustment to use his wrestling and look, yeah,

1630
01:13:10,520 --> 01:13:13,400
Speaker 2: a great third round leading up to that stop stoppage

1631
01:13:13,479 --> 01:13:15,360
Speaker 2: due to the the errant strike.

1632
01:13:15,520 --> 01:13:17,759
Speaker 1: But Luke, the headbutt, the head the headbutt.

1633
01:13:17,800 --> 01:13:20,439
Speaker 2: Excuse me. But what I was saying was, look, now,

1634
01:13:20,560 --> 01:13:22,720
Speaker 2: let's see what the champions got in round four. Let's see.

1635
01:13:22,800 --> 01:13:25,679
Speaker 2: I think I told you, you know, off camera, they're like, man,

1636
01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:28,040
Speaker 2: Nemcov's gonna come out slinging a round four. Let's see

1637
01:13:28,080 --> 01:13:30,720
Speaker 2: what he's got. Luke, I learned lessons, you know, through

1638
01:13:30,760 --> 01:13:32,639
Speaker 2: the years, and uh, you know, I think one time

1639
01:13:32,640 --> 01:13:34,800
Speaker 2: I was working front page of ESPN dot com and

1640
01:13:34,840 --> 01:13:37,280
Speaker 2: it was an NBA playoff series. The team that did

1641
01:13:37,360 --> 01:13:40,400
Speaker 2: not have home court advantage was the favorite, but then

1642
01:13:40,439 --> 01:13:42,280
Speaker 2: they lost the first two games at the other team's

1643
01:13:42,280 --> 01:13:44,160
Speaker 2: home court and they were down two nothing. I wrote, Oh,

1644
01:13:44,160 --> 01:13:47,519
Speaker 2: this team has a commanding lead as the headline. Some

1645
01:13:47,600 --> 01:13:49,559
Speaker 2: big boss Luke picked up the phone and called me

1646
01:13:50,240 --> 01:13:52,280
Speaker 2: and they go, aren't you supposed to win home games

1647
01:13:52,560 --> 01:13:55,840
Speaker 2: in the NBA playoffs when teams are relatively even. I'm like, yeah,

1648
01:13:56,080 --> 01:13:58,120
Speaker 2: that's not a commanding two nothing lead? They did what

1649
01:13:58,160 --> 01:14:00,599
Speaker 2: they're supposed to do, Luke, I don't think Corey Anderson

1650
01:14:00,600 --> 01:14:02,600
Speaker 2: was in a commanding lead. I think he took advantage

1651
01:14:02,840 --> 01:14:05,680
Speaker 2: of the fight, moved the motive, the moved it in

1652
01:14:05,720 --> 01:14:08,120
Speaker 2: his direction, and now it was gonna be up to

1653
01:14:08,160 --> 01:14:10,160
Speaker 2: the champion to come out in the championship rounds and

1654
01:14:10,200 --> 01:14:12,800
Speaker 2: do things. So would Belator have preferred this? No, I'm

1655
01:14:12,800 --> 01:14:15,519
Speaker 2: not trying to say that it's better for Bellatore long

1656
01:14:15,640 --> 01:14:19,160
Speaker 2: term to have a disputed decision in the main event

1657
01:14:19,240 --> 01:14:21,240
Speaker 2: and then the co main event, which is your tournament final,

1658
01:14:21,320 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 2: have no winner. Nobody's asking for that. But when you

1659
01:14:24,160 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 2: look at business and how it unfolds, now we got

1660
01:14:27,080 --> 01:14:29,519
Speaker 2: another main event out of these two, you still put

1661
01:14:29,520 --> 01:14:31,760
Speaker 2: the million dollars in the title out the line. It

1662
01:14:31,920 --> 01:14:34,439
Speaker 2: just said you gotta wait. But we've seen enough through

1663
01:14:34,479 --> 01:14:37,400
Speaker 2: three rounds to know that Cory Anderson is not only

1664
01:14:37,439 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 2: in this fight, Luke, he looked to be in the

1665
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 2: direction of taking over. He was up two rounds to

1666
01:14:43,280 --> 01:14:45,599
Speaker 2: one in our mind going into there. So I can't

1667
01:14:45,600 --> 01:14:47,960
Speaker 2: wait to see what this looks like now when they

1668
01:14:47,960 --> 01:14:49,640
Speaker 2: do it again, and I'm gonna get pretty fired up

1669
01:14:49,680 --> 01:14:53,160
Speaker 2: for it again. Luke, show me where the major damage

1670
01:14:53,160 --> 01:14:55,439
Speaker 2: and disappointment is in this outcome outside of just the

1671
01:14:56,240 --> 01:14:59,200
Speaker 2: when you put a fight together, you want a winner. Okay,

1672
01:14:59,240 --> 01:15:01,920
Speaker 2: So Bellator's had a few stick kicks Luke in their time, right,

1673
01:15:02,000 --> 01:15:04,360
Speaker 2: a few a few fights not go the way you'd

1674
01:15:04,479 --> 01:15:06,280
Speaker 2: you would wanted it to. But I don't look at

1675
01:15:06,280 --> 01:15:08,840
Speaker 2: this as a disaster. Dude. Again, I know, like the

1676
01:15:08,920 --> 01:15:11,680
Speaker 2: narrative was like, see Bellatore, you try to have you

1677
01:15:11,720 --> 01:15:13,760
Speaker 2: try to do nice things, and that's what you get. No,

1678
01:15:14,040 --> 01:15:16,000
Speaker 2: this is an interesting fight. Let's see you pick up

1679
01:15:16,000 --> 01:15:16,680
Speaker 2: where it left off.

1680
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: I'm okay, I'm halfway there.

1681
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:19,280
Speaker 2: I'll go.

1682
01:15:19,320 --> 01:15:21,000
Speaker 3: I'll meet you halfway, which is to say, I don't

1683
01:15:21,000 --> 01:15:23,559
Speaker 3: think it's a disaster. No, it's not a disaster. But

1684
01:15:23,600 --> 01:15:26,280
Speaker 3: I've seen Bellator post Bjorn Revenue and then of course

1685
01:15:26,320 --> 01:15:29,080
Speaker 3: Strikeforce before I try to pull off tournaments that are

1686
01:15:29,120 --> 01:15:31,200
Speaker 3: you know, spread out over the course of these fucking glasses.

1687
01:15:31,200 --> 01:15:32,640
Speaker 3: I lost my other ones and they won't stay up.

1688
01:15:32,640 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 3: But uh, you know, spread out over the course of

1689
01:15:35,120 --> 01:15:37,880
Speaker 3: a year or however long it goes, and they're just

1690
01:15:37,920 --> 01:15:39,640
Speaker 3: hard to do. It doesn't matter if it's UFC, if

1691
01:15:39,680 --> 01:15:42,000
Speaker 3: it's Bellatour, if it's Strikeforce. You know, trying to plan

1692
01:15:42,080 --> 01:15:43,880
Speaker 3: around that is very difficult to do for the most part,

1693
01:15:43,920 --> 01:15:45,599
Speaker 3: so we had a lot of guys fall out. Now,

1694
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:47,920
Speaker 3: we did get two very deserving contenders in that main

1695
01:15:48,040 --> 01:15:50,120
Speaker 3: or I should say a finalist in that main event,

1696
01:15:50,479 --> 01:15:53,000
Speaker 3: with Nim cav and Cory Anderson. Here's the problem for me.

1697
01:15:55,000 --> 01:15:58,040
Speaker 3: On the one hand, I thought what Corey Anderson showed

1698
01:15:58,040 --> 01:16:01,799
Speaker 3: in this fight was no doubt that his reformation project

1699
01:16:01,840 --> 01:16:03,560
Speaker 3: is absolutely real. Because you and I both have a

1700
01:16:03,600 --> 01:16:06,680
Speaker 3: pretty high degree of respect for Nemkov. Here's what I

1701
01:16:06,680 --> 01:16:08,479
Speaker 3: can't get past me see and maybe you can. You

1702
01:16:08,520 --> 01:16:10,200
Speaker 3: can tell me I'm wrong about this, and that'd be fine.

1703
01:16:10,200 --> 01:16:11,759
Speaker 3: We'll have to see what happens in in the Komain.

1704
01:16:12,360 --> 01:16:15,800
Speaker 3: But unless Nemkov has an answer for the wrestling in

1705
01:16:15,880 --> 01:16:19,800
Speaker 3: the rematch, I don't think he can win. Do you

1706
01:16:20,160 --> 01:16:22,160
Speaker 3: think he can win if he can't fix the wrestling?

1707
01:16:23,640 --> 01:16:23,920
Speaker 1: Uh?

1708
01:16:23,960 --> 01:16:26,840
Speaker 2: Okay, if it's a if it becomes a blatant hole

1709
01:16:26,880 --> 01:16:29,200
Speaker 2: in the rematch in which Anderson's taking him down off

1710
01:16:29,240 --> 01:16:32,280
Speaker 2: the start and nem Koff's unable to get up, yeah

1711
01:16:32,320 --> 01:16:33,760
Speaker 2: we got a problem there. But what did you see

1712
01:16:33,760 --> 01:16:35,200
Speaker 2: in the first round? I saw them Kov kind of

1713
01:16:35,200 --> 01:16:38,840
Speaker 2: handling him on the feet. Every fight starts on the feet, Luke,

1714
01:16:38,880 --> 01:16:41,000
Speaker 2: we gotta see it play out. Now. It's a weird

1715
01:16:41,120 --> 01:16:45,680
Speaker 2: sort of advantage for Nemcov the champion, meaning he was

1716
01:16:45,800 --> 01:16:47,559
Speaker 2: down two to one and in a rough spot, and

1717
01:16:47,600 --> 01:16:50,080
Speaker 2: now he gets another chance to heal up, come back,

1718
01:16:50,080 --> 01:16:52,479
Speaker 2: get a full camp, and try it again. It's just

1719
01:16:52,520 --> 01:16:55,240
Speaker 2: sort of the way things went. But yes, does he

1720
01:16:55,240 --> 01:16:57,320
Speaker 2: have an uphill climb going into training camp and going,

1721
01:16:57,360 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 2: this guy's got an edge on me in this fight.

1722
01:16:59,200 --> 01:17:00,840
Speaker 2: I've got to figure it out he does, Luke, But

1723
01:17:00,920 --> 01:17:02,680
Speaker 2: this is what we're trying to find out. Who's the

1724
01:17:02,680 --> 01:17:06,559
Speaker 2: best light heavyweight in Belatore? And again, I guess.

1725
01:17:06,640 --> 01:17:09,400
Speaker 3: Here's the thing. I just feel bad for Corey Anderson.

1726
01:17:09,760 --> 01:17:12,839
Speaker 3: I feel bad for Corey Anderson that he got maligned

1727
01:17:12,880 --> 01:17:15,040
Speaker 3: in MMA and let go from UFC and everyone kind

1728
01:17:15,080 --> 01:17:17,599
Speaker 3: of said he was a bust when in fact, all

1729
01:17:17,600 --> 01:17:20,360
Speaker 3: he was doing was like uhgas riding himself for a

1730
01:17:20,400 --> 01:17:23,400
Speaker 3: second chapter. He gets the second chapter going, and he

1731
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,320
Speaker 3: looked fucking not just this fight, but you know, the

1732
01:17:25,320 --> 01:17:29,439
Speaker 3: whole belltour push has looked fucking phenomenal every time he

1733
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:31,679
Speaker 3: has stepped out there, for Bellatour. You and I both

1734
01:17:31,800 --> 01:17:35,479
Speaker 3: know that Nemkov is a legitimate world class two zero fiver,

1735
01:17:36,120 --> 01:17:38,959
Speaker 3: and it looked to me like Anderson was finally putting

1736
01:17:39,160 --> 01:17:42,719
Speaker 3: everything together, He was finally having the performance he needed

1737
01:17:42,760 --> 01:17:44,360
Speaker 3: in the big fight he needed, He was about to

1738
01:17:44,400 --> 01:17:46,760
Speaker 3: win a million bucks and everything else, and then this

1739
01:17:46,800 --> 01:17:49,320
Speaker 3: whole thing got away from him. I just feel like

1740
01:17:50,040 --> 01:17:52,720
Speaker 3: this guy is owed a level of respect that even

1741
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:54,640
Speaker 3: I didn't have, maybe a couple of years ago, but

1742
01:17:54,680 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 3: I've at least seen the light and I was we

1743
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,280
Speaker 3: were this close to getting it and it got taken

1744
01:17:59,320 --> 01:18:02,519
Speaker 3: away from him. Not anyone's fault whatever, but I do

1745
01:18:02,560 --> 01:18:04,720
Speaker 3: feel bad for Corey Anderson, and that leaves a bad

1746
01:18:04,720 --> 01:18:07,040
Speaker 3: taste in my mouth. Is that palatable and fair to

1747
01:18:07,120 --> 01:18:09,599
Speaker 3: you as you apparently search for everything in your house

1748
01:18:09,640 --> 01:18:10,519
Speaker 3: in the middle of the show.

1749
01:18:11,320 --> 01:18:13,880
Speaker 2: Sorry, Luke, I have got animals jumping in here trying

1750
01:18:13,880 --> 01:18:16,280
Speaker 2: to jump on me. I will say this, Luke, do

1751
01:18:16,320 --> 01:18:18,960
Speaker 2: we should we give him his overused term for you

1752
01:18:19,000 --> 01:18:22,000
Speaker 2: and I in the past four days? Give him his flowers? Yes,

1753
01:18:22,560 --> 01:18:24,840
Speaker 2: but look, he also committed the foul. We just watched

1754
01:18:24,840 --> 01:18:28,120
Speaker 2: the replay like four times. It was it was disappointing

1755
01:18:28,160 --> 01:18:30,280
Speaker 2: that it went that way, But he dove headfirst into

1756
01:18:30,320 --> 01:18:34,280
Speaker 2: his opponent without throwing a punch. Luke, that's a mistake, right,

1757
01:18:34,520 --> 01:18:37,800
Speaker 2: did we damn Peter Yan for losing the title and

1758
01:18:37,840 --> 01:18:39,840
Speaker 2: a title fight against Sterling in which he was up

1759
01:18:39,840 --> 01:18:43,080
Speaker 2: and winning on He made a freaking mistake, Luke. He

1760
01:18:43,120 --> 01:18:44,880
Speaker 2: threw a knee at a guy who was clearly down,

1761
01:18:44,920 --> 01:18:46,559
Speaker 2: and the referee had told him don't do it ahead

1762
01:18:46,560 --> 01:18:51,479
Speaker 2: of time. This is a it is what it is, Luke,

1763
01:18:51,520 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 2: How do you defend him diving in like that. I

1764
01:18:53,240 --> 01:18:54,800
Speaker 2: know he's trying to prove his position.

1765
01:18:54,560 --> 01:18:57,439
Speaker 3: But I'm not defending the acts Like what happened happened,

1766
01:18:57,439 --> 01:18:59,519
Speaker 3: and that's just that's just the way that it goes.

1767
01:18:59,560 --> 01:19:03,479
Speaker 3: No one can plan these. This is just fighting, and

1768
01:19:03,520 --> 01:19:06,120
Speaker 3: fighting is chaotic and things like this happen. But that's

1769
01:19:06,120 --> 01:19:08,000
Speaker 3: a question of like, why did this happen? It's not

1770
01:19:08,040 --> 01:19:11,000
Speaker 3: a question of do you feel like it's an unfortunate

1771
01:19:11,000 --> 01:19:13,120
Speaker 3: set of circumstances for a guy who I think has

1772
01:19:13,120 --> 01:19:15,479
Speaker 3: been i'm gonna say it again, unfairly maligned, who is

1773
01:19:15,600 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 3: definitely rejuvenated, and I just don't think the NMA world

1774
01:19:18,560 --> 01:19:21,600
Speaker 3: has properly accounted for that. Yet it is that accounting

1775
01:19:22,080 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 3: that I think was missing here by virtue of the

1776
01:19:23,960 --> 01:19:25,360
Speaker 3: circumstances that he helped create.

1777
01:19:25,400 --> 01:19:27,080
Speaker 1: Fair enough, but there's just something.

1778
01:19:27,080 --> 01:19:29,639
Speaker 3: There's a piece of this story missing, obviously the finals,

1779
01:19:29,640 --> 01:19:32,519
Speaker 3: but I don't know. I feel very bad for Corey Anderson.

1780
01:19:32,520 --> 01:19:34,479
Speaker 3: He was that close. A few more seconds and it

1781
01:19:34,520 --> 01:19:36,760
Speaker 3: would have been a different story. But yes, we are

1782
01:19:36,760 --> 01:19:38,760
Speaker 3: where we are, all right?

1783
01:19:38,880 --> 01:19:41,960
Speaker 2: That is look to be fair. It's kind of wild.

1784
01:19:42,000 --> 01:19:45,599
Speaker 2: And I know we're talking about the the the legal

1785
01:19:45,640 --> 01:19:47,519
Speaker 2: strike in the UFC fight. Now we're talking about this.

1786
01:19:48,200 --> 01:19:52,200
Speaker 2: It's crazy that things don't happen more, given that it's

1787
01:19:52,240 --> 01:19:54,479
Speaker 2: a sport in which you're looking to and flick damage

1788
01:19:54,520 --> 01:19:57,840
Speaker 2: and you know, the the ability to just barely miss

1789
01:19:57,880 --> 01:20:00,880
Speaker 2: and follow somebody is pretty high. Can happen, Luke, you

1790
01:20:00,880 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 2: would think it would all almost happen more.

1791
01:20:02,840 --> 01:20:04,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's Isn't that a separate question from whether

1792
01:20:05,000 --> 01:20:06,599
Speaker 3: or not you feel bad for Corey. You're like, well,

1793
01:20:06,600 --> 01:20:09,280
Speaker 3: he facilitated the circumstances that led to the close of

1794
01:20:09,320 --> 01:20:11,920
Speaker 3: the fight, fair enough, but I feel bad that itself

1795
01:20:11,960 --> 01:20:13,040
Speaker 3: is also unlucky.

1796
01:20:13,760 --> 01:20:15,280
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean, I feel bad. It was a fight

1797
01:20:15,360 --> 01:20:17,639
Speaker 2: that he was winning and now we have to reset it. Yeah,

1798
01:20:17,640 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 2: I feel bad, Luke, but he also committed the fall,

1799
01:20:20,080 --> 01:20:22,280
Speaker 2: so and we also had to see what was gonna

1800
01:20:22,280 --> 01:20:24,320
Speaker 2: happen in a round four and five. I again, if

1801
01:20:24,360 --> 01:20:26,320
Speaker 2: you think Corey was on his way to ground and

1802
01:20:26,320 --> 01:20:28,400
Speaker 2: pounding this guy out two minutes later, then maybe your

1803
01:20:28,479 --> 01:20:30,800
Speaker 2: argument stands up more. I was looking to see where

1804
01:20:30,800 --> 01:20:31,840
Speaker 2: the fight was gonna go from.

1805
01:20:31,680 --> 01:20:34,479
Speaker 3: Here, fair enough, I was not expecting him to ground

1806
01:20:34,520 --> 01:20:36,519
Speaker 3: and pound him out, but I did feel like, I'll

1807
01:20:36,560 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 3: say this, Corey Anderson made Nemkov show a level of

1808
01:20:40,600 --> 01:20:43,760
Speaker 3: vulnerability that Phil Davis could never get close to. Phil

1809
01:20:43,840 --> 01:20:46,519
Speaker 3: Davis never did that to Nemkouv, And so when you

1810
01:20:46,560 --> 01:20:47,559
Speaker 3: think about it that way.

1811
01:20:47,360 --> 01:20:50,720
Speaker 1: You're like, eh, this is a that was pretty goddamn it. Dude.

1812
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:52,559
Speaker 3: He made it look effortless taking him down. And Phil

1813
01:20:52,600 --> 01:20:54,920
Speaker 3: Davis takes people down and hold them down for he's

1814
01:20:54,960 --> 01:20:56,840
Speaker 3: been doing it for fucking ten years. He could not

1815
01:20:56,880 --> 01:20:59,320
Speaker 3: really do that to Themkov. Corey Anderson did it with ease,

1816
01:20:59,720 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 3: and that reason, I'm like, shit, man, he is up

1817
01:21:02,080 --> 01:21:04,760
Speaker 3: against it in that rematch. So we'll see how it goes,

1818
01:21:05,080 --> 01:21:06,800
Speaker 3: all right, That is it for you and I ask

1819
01:21:06,880 --> 01:21:09,720
Speaker 3: each other questions. Now it is time for us to

1820
01:21:09,760 --> 01:21:12,439
Speaker 3: get the donks to ask us questions. It's time for

1821
01:21:12,600 --> 01:21:19,080
Speaker 3: dms from the Diggity Donks, Bomb Bump the mother f

1822
01:21:19,160 --> 01:21:26,160
Speaker 3: and hall all right BC. From Andrew R. Cox nineteen

1823
01:21:26,240 --> 01:21:30,040
Speaker 3: eighty four. Well, Brian, start the opposite of the Liver

1824
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:33,719
Speaker 3: King brand called the Liver Jester, so he can teach

1825
01:21:33,760 --> 01:21:35,280
Speaker 3: what not to do with your liver?

1826
01:21:36,600 --> 01:21:37,080
Speaker 1: What do you think?

1827
01:21:39,680 --> 01:21:41,320
Speaker 2: I don't think I need to make it that official,

1828
01:21:41,400 --> 01:21:43,479
Speaker 2: Luke and start my own video series. But I do

1829
01:21:43,600 --> 01:21:48,320
Speaker 2: like to provide the the public service message that is

1830
01:21:48,800 --> 01:21:51,800
Speaker 2: gas station food the silent killer. So if you've been

1831
01:21:52,400 --> 01:21:55,280
Speaker 2: supplementing your diet as I have for the past, you know,

1832
01:21:55,720 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 2: thirty something years with that, as Luke would say, you're

1833
01:22:00,160 --> 01:22:01,680
Speaker 2: you're gonna have to pay at the end, right, you

1834
01:22:01,720 --> 01:22:07,439
Speaker 2: know that that receipt, that bill is due, and uh

1835
01:22:07,560 --> 01:22:10,160
Speaker 2: it sucks, Luke. Do I like not eating beef anymore?

1836
01:22:10,200 --> 01:22:10,280
Speaker 1: No?

1837
01:22:10,320 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 2: I hate it? Do I like avoiding fast food at

1838
01:22:12,120 --> 01:22:13,559
Speaker 2: all costs? I hate that ship, Luke.

1839
01:22:14,400 --> 01:22:17,280
Speaker 3: But you know, whenever we're whenever we're these events, I

1840
01:22:17,320 --> 01:22:20,080
Speaker 3: see the pain on your face when you're like, do

1841
01:22:20,160 --> 01:22:21,360
Speaker 3: they have a Caesar salad.

1842
01:22:22,200 --> 01:22:24,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean I did it to myself, Luke, Okay,

1843
01:22:25,040 --> 01:22:26,200
Speaker 2: I did it to myself.

1844
01:22:26,880 --> 01:22:28,680
Speaker 3: I'll say this, dude, people ask me, like, what do

1845
01:22:28,680 --> 01:22:31,759
Speaker 3: you think the liver king is anything? He says like valuable,

1846
01:22:31,800 --> 01:22:36,840
Speaker 3: I'm like four laughs. Maybe the nine ancestral tenets that

1847
01:22:36,880 --> 01:22:38,719
Speaker 3: he called what does he calls people primates?

1848
01:22:38,720 --> 01:22:41,320
Speaker 1: What does he call him primals? Primals? That's what it is.

1849
01:22:41,479 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 2: He's a hell of a marketer in businessman, Luke.

1850
01:22:44,320 --> 01:22:46,960
Speaker 3: That's like, dude, if you if you had even what

1851
01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,479
Speaker 3: is this guy's Does this guy think that cavemen were

1852
01:22:49,479 --> 01:22:52,200
Speaker 3: all like fucking super jacked on anabolics and just you know,

1853
01:22:52,320 --> 01:22:53,960
Speaker 3: dragging fucking kettle bells and shit.

1854
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:54,800
Speaker 1: It's like the.

1855
01:22:54,720 --> 01:22:58,400
Speaker 3: Most totally divorced from reality assessment of human performance and

1856
01:22:58,479 --> 01:23:01,240
Speaker 3: human origins I've ever seen. If you like seeing a

1857
01:23:01,280 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 3: guy who is you know, is my opinion almost certainly

1858
01:23:04,120 --> 01:23:06,360
Speaker 3: on all the antabolics in the world, who has a

1859
01:23:06,400 --> 01:23:08,960
Speaker 3: funny Instagram life, Yeah you should watch it, But for

1860
01:23:09,080 --> 01:23:11,800
Speaker 3: anything other than that, you are wasting your time, all right.

1861
01:23:13,360 --> 01:23:16,160
Speaker 3: From Blake Griffin Spell with a y BC B L

1862
01:23:16,240 --> 01:23:19,560
Speaker 3: A y K. Not the Blake Griffin who dunks on motherfuckers.

1863
01:23:19,920 --> 01:23:22,720
Speaker 3: What if Max says Fitt and wants to move up

1864
01:23:22,720 --> 01:23:25,240
Speaker 3: to lightweight instead of a trilogy with VULC, Does he

1865
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:27,920
Speaker 3: have a claim to the OLIVERA fight? Should he beat

1866
01:23:28,120 --> 01:23:30,720
Speaker 3: Justin since he hasn't win over Charles? Right, but BC,

1867
01:23:31,400 --> 01:23:33,840
Speaker 3: he's got the loss to Dustin not too long ago,

1868
01:23:33,960 --> 01:23:34,840
Speaker 3: so that seems like a no.

1869
01:23:35,040 --> 01:23:37,840
Speaker 2: Right, No, I don't think that plays into it because

1870
01:23:37,880 --> 01:23:42,160
Speaker 2: of Max's star value and because Porier just lost to Olivera,

1871
01:23:42,280 --> 01:23:44,600
Speaker 2: hasn't fought since, didn't come back and be the you know,

1872
01:23:44,680 --> 01:23:47,120
Speaker 2: top five guy to reclaim his spot, and by the way,

1873
01:23:47,160 --> 01:23:49,880
Speaker 2: nor should he have to given Porier standing right now.

1874
01:23:50,120 --> 01:23:52,599
Speaker 2: I think that's a very viable fight for the UFC,

1875
01:23:52,640 --> 01:23:55,400
Speaker 2: in as much as I'd like a third VULC Max fight,

1876
01:23:56,320 --> 01:23:59,320
Speaker 2: largely because I thought Max won the rematch and I

1877
01:23:59,360 --> 01:24:02,320
Speaker 2: know that the uf he has liked that idea. Yeah,

1878
01:24:02,320 --> 01:24:04,240
Speaker 2: it is kind of unfair to Olkanowski, you know, And

1879
01:24:04,240 --> 01:24:05,920
Speaker 2: it's a joke question. We keep saying, like how many

1880
01:24:05,920 --> 01:24:07,519
Speaker 2: more times do they have to beat Max before Dana

1881
01:24:07,560 --> 01:24:10,880
Speaker 2: will be happy? You can't avoid that and go this

1882
01:24:10,920 --> 01:24:14,960
Speaker 2: way Max. We found against Dustin in their interim title

1883
01:24:15,000 --> 01:24:17,360
Speaker 2: fight same night of course as boy, do I love

1884
01:24:17,439 --> 01:24:20,160
Speaker 2: that out of Sonya Gastolum fight that you know, he

1885
01:24:20,280 --> 01:24:22,680
Speaker 2: was a little bit short on firepower, but it was

1886
01:24:22,720 --> 01:24:27,800
Speaker 2: still an insanely great, almost all time great action fight. That. Yeah, Luke,

1887
01:24:27,840 --> 01:24:30,960
Speaker 2: he's got the resume to deserve this. He already beat

1888
01:24:31,040 --> 01:24:33,680
Speaker 2: the guy one weight class lower. It's a storyline that

1889
01:24:33,720 --> 01:24:35,639
Speaker 2: I think makes a ton of sense, and it's a

1890
01:24:35,680 --> 01:24:40,000
Speaker 2: monster money fight. Do it do that shit if he be, But.

1891
01:24:40,240 --> 01:24:42,360
Speaker 3: That would be saying you're gonna give Max a title

1892
01:24:42,360 --> 01:24:44,439
Speaker 3: shot at one to fifty five before Alex.

1893
01:24:44,520 --> 01:24:45,479
Speaker 1: That doesn't make any.

1894
01:24:45,320 --> 01:24:49,639
Speaker 2: Sense unless Alex really wants it and pushes backstage.

1895
01:24:50,200 --> 01:24:50,720
Speaker 1: I see, I see.

1896
01:24:50,720 --> 01:24:53,400
Speaker 2: Okay, it's more like if Alex is of the stance

1897
01:24:53,439 --> 01:24:56,200
Speaker 2: where I'll fight Max if you make me. But again,

1898
01:24:56,240 --> 01:24:58,800
Speaker 2: why do I have to if you're the UFC and

1899
01:24:58,800 --> 01:25:00,880
Speaker 2: you're getting to a point you know, Hey, a look

1900
01:25:00,920 --> 01:25:02,720
Speaker 2: what Alex just did to the damn zombie. I mean,

1901
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,960
Speaker 2: he's kind of making his case now for all time greatness.

1902
01:25:06,040 --> 01:25:10,840
Speaker 2: Uh yeah, you know, because look the reality for Max though,

1903
01:25:11,720 --> 01:25:14,000
Speaker 2: and maybe this was true about Josie Alda going right

1904
01:25:14,000 --> 01:25:16,320
Speaker 2: back in against Max to try to regain his title

1905
01:25:16,360 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 2: and he lost the same way got stopped. It could

1906
01:25:19,360 --> 01:25:21,680
Speaker 2: damage Max to a to a small degree. I mean,

1907
01:25:21,680 --> 01:25:23,439
Speaker 2: if he goes in their third time against Vulcan, comes

1908
01:25:23,479 --> 01:25:27,040
Speaker 2: up empty again. I'm not saying it's like long term

1909
01:25:27,120 --> 01:25:31,240
Speaker 2: damaging to his legacy, but it yanks him down a peg.

1910
01:25:31,439 --> 01:25:35,280
Speaker 3: Where it decidedly puts him. It decidedly puts him beneath

1911
01:25:35,479 --> 01:25:37,439
Speaker 3: Volkanovsky and any featherweight rankings.

1912
01:25:38,280 --> 01:25:41,840
Speaker 2: Whereas whereas right now he can argue and say, well, look, dude,

1913
01:25:41,880 --> 01:25:43,200
Speaker 2: I you know a lot of people thought I won

1914
01:25:43,240 --> 01:25:46,320
Speaker 2: that second one. It's a fight that third one, in

1915
01:25:46,360 --> 01:25:48,559
Speaker 2: all fairness that you don't really have to cash in today.

1916
01:25:49,000 --> 01:25:49,720
Speaker 2: You don't have to.

1917
01:25:50,200 --> 01:25:52,160
Speaker 1: It's true, that's true.

1918
01:25:54,000 --> 01:25:55,639
Speaker 2: I mean, but who you know who would be effing

1919
01:25:55,640 --> 01:25:58,960
Speaker 2: over though? Right? Maybe the guy that deserves it more

1920
01:25:59,000 --> 01:26:05,000
Speaker 2: than anyone slam Mahachev ooh right, because he's coming on Luke.

1921
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:08,280
Speaker 2: So if you're asking me, hey, BC, should Holloway cut

1922
01:26:08,360 --> 01:26:09,400
Speaker 2: Mahachev in line?

1923
01:26:09,880 --> 01:26:09,960
Speaker 1: No?

1924
01:26:10,120 --> 01:26:13,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, icy brother, right, No I don't, I don't, I don't,

1925
01:26:13,520 --> 01:26:13,840
Speaker 2: all right?

1926
01:26:13,960 --> 01:26:17,919
Speaker 3: From punch drunk Pete, do you think the term robbery

1927
01:26:18,080 --> 01:26:21,120
Speaker 3: has come to be blatantly overused in combat sports today?

1928
01:26:21,160 --> 01:26:23,280
Speaker 3: Seems like a lot of people tend to cry robbery

1929
01:26:23,840 --> 01:26:24,799
Speaker 3: anytime a fight.

1930
01:26:24,720 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 1: Is remotely close these days.

1931
01:26:26,360 --> 01:26:29,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, it is maybe the most overused term in all

1932
01:26:29,200 --> 01:26:30,120
Speaker 3: of combat sports.

1933
01:26:30,960 --> 01:26:34,120
Speaker 2: Agreed. Agreed, it's badly overused. If a fight didn't score

1934
01:26:34,160 --> 01:26:35,960
Speaker 2: the way that you thought it was, it's a robbery. No,

1935
01:26:36,000 --> 01:26:38,439
Speaker 2: that's not that's not a case. Okay, one eighteen one

1936
01:26:38,520 --> 01:26:41,160
Speaker 2: ten Canelo by good old Adelaide Bird, who by the way,

1937
01:26:41,320 --> 01:26:45,160
Speaker 2: was judging UFC fights on Saturday, Thank you, Nevada. Yeah,

1938
01:26:45,160 --> 01:26:47,240
Speaker 2: that's a robbery, Luke, that's not a you know, and

1939
01:26:47,479 --> 01:26:50,559
Speaker 2: look at I think it. Unfortunately, we see it. We

1940
01:26:50,600 --> 01:26:52,120
Speaker 2: see it in a lot of fights that people don't

1941
01:26:52,120 --> 01:26:54,679
Speaker 2: even remember. I mean, Luke. Unfortunately. In boxing it's a

1942
01:26:54,760 --> 01:26:58,360
Speaker 2: it's a rampant issue where you know, you'll see comain

1943
01:26:58,400 --> 01:27:01,160
Speaker 2: events or undercard fights where the even if the A

1944
01:27:01,320 --> 01:27:04,280
Speaker 2: side guy loses and gets upset by split decision, there

1945
01:27:04,280 --> 01:27:06,599
Speaker 2: will still be that third scorecard one eighteen one ten

1946
01:27:06,640 --> 01:27:11,080
Speaker 2: in this favor and you're like, what, that's a freaking robbery? Okay?

1947
01:27:11,520 --> 01:27:16,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I mean, okay, serious question. In MMA and boxing,

1948
01:27:16,479 --> 01:27:20,240
Speaker 3: how many genuine robberies have you seen?

1949
01:27:22,720 --> 01:27:24,360
Speaker 2: I've seen a good amount. I've seen a good amount.

1950
01:27:24,400 --> 01:27:25,720
Speaker 2: But I think we have to realize that there's a

1951
01:27:25,760 --> 01:27:30,479
Speaker 2: major difference between that smells like corruption and the other side,

1952
01:27:30,479 --> 01:27:34,959
Speaker 2: which is either that's incompetence or you have to realize

1953
01:27:35,000 --> 01:27:36,760
Speaker 2: what the judges really do. And I really don't think

1954
01:27:36,840 --> 01:27:39,879
Speaker 2: enough people realize this, Luke. The judges are not on Twitter.

1955
01:27:40,240 --> 01:27:44,200
Speaker 2: They're not talking to each other, right, They're sitting together

1956
01:27:44,840 --> 01:27:48,160
Speaker 2: directly on the apron, which I've sat there calling fights.

1957
01:27:48,680 --> 01:27:52,240
Speaker 2: In some scenarios, you get a much better representation of

1958
01:27:52,280 --> 01:27:54,439
Speaker 2: what's happening than what's happening on TV because you can

1959
01:27:54,479 --> 01:27:57,440
Speaker 2: see who's pushing the pace, you can see the damage.

1960
01:27:57,720 --> 01:27:59,759
Speaker 2: But at times you also can get blocked, you're sitting

1961
01:27:59,760 --> 01:28:02,280
Speaker 2: too close, there's ropes in your face, there's a referee

1962
01:28:02,320 --> 01:28:05,519
Speaker 2: circling around. You can miss it as well. The crowd

1963
01:28:05,600 --> 01:28:07,800
Speaker 2: becomes a big factor. There are a lot of things

1964
01:28:07,800 --> 01:28:09,920
Speaker 2: that become a factor. Look how many times to be

1965
01:28:09,960 --> 01:28:14,559
Speaker 2: really honest here, we like as journalists to be professional scorers, right,

1966
01:28:14,640 --> 01:28:16,800
Speaker 2: you know, and and there's times that will defend our

1967
01:28:16,840 --> 01:28:20,040
Speaker 2: scorecard whatever. But Luke, how many times do you go, damn,

1968
01:28:20,040 --> 01:28:21,599
Speaker 2: that was a good round. I have no idea who won.

1969
01:28:21,720 --> 01:28:23,599
Speaker 2: Let me look at Twitter and see what my can

1970
01:28:23,760 --> 01:28:25,760
Speaker 2: you know, contemporaries are saying, because you're like, man, I

1971
01:28:25,760 --> 01:28:29,320
Speaker 2: don't really know those guys in the moment, make that decision,

1972
01:28:29,400 --> 01:28:31,400
Speaker 2: right it and they're done with it. Luke, Okay, they're

1973
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:33,080
Speaker 2: not waiting till the end of the fight to then

1974
01:28:33,160 --> 01:28:36,200
Speaker 2: go to then go oh yeah, I took that stuffed

1975
01:28:36,280 --> 01:28:38,240
Speaker 2: envelope to score it for this guy. So let me

1976
01:28:38,439 --> 01:28:40,320
Speaker 2: you know. No, you're round by round, you're writing it

1977
01:28:40,360 --> 01:28:43,280
Speaker 2: and you're handing it off. You're trained as a judge,

1978
01:28:43,720 --> 01:28:45,600
Speaker 2: whether you're doing a three minute boxing round or a

1979
01:28:45,600 --> 01:28:48,360
Speaker 2: five minute MMA round, to look at those as separate

1980
01:28:48,400 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 2: individual fights and not carry over in your mind anything

1981
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,800
Speaker 2: that happened around before. So when it's set up like that,

1982
01:28:54,880 --> 01:28:57,320
Speaker 2: nobody at home is scoring that way. At home, you're

1983
01:28:57,360 --> 01:28:59,639
Speaker 2: on Twitter, you got a beer, your kids are climbing

1984
01:28:59,680 --> 01:29:02,599
Speaker 2: all over. You may not understand the rule set. There's

1985
01:29:02,640 --> 01:29:05,679
Speaker 2: a lot of factors there. So when we scream robbery,

1986
01:29:05,720 --> 01:29:08,479
Speaker 2: it could just mean we missed it. The judges had

1987
01:29:08,520 --> 01:29:11,240
Speaker 2: an off night. They're leaning on a level of the

1988
01:29:11,240 --> 01:29:13,599
Speaker 2: criteria that we don't lean on the same way. Even

1989
01:29:13,640 --> 01:29:15,960
Speaker 2: though you know people say, Luke, hey, BC, you score

1990
01:29:16,080 --> 01:29:18,120
Speaker 2: m fights like they're boxing matches, and maybe to a

1991
01:29:18,120 --> 01:29:21,559
Speaker 2: certain degree sometimes I am oddly influenced by the difference

1992
01:29:21,560 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 2: in the rule sets that that could be true.

1993
01:29:24,000 --> 01:29:26,120
Speaker 3: I'll just say in terms of mm A robberies, I've

1994
01:29:26,160 --> 01:29:30,000
Speaker 3: probably seen half a dozen at most, you know, like

1995
01:29:30,200 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 3: genuine mm A robberies, not that many. Not that many

1996
01:29:34,000 --> 01:29:35,640
Speaker 3: boxing I think it's a little more common because then

1997
01:29:35,640 --> 01:29:38,200
Speaker 3: you get a situation like C. J. Ross, you know,

1998
01:29:38,280 --> 01:29:41,080
Speaker 3: in that Mayweather Canelo scorecard, Like how do you explain

1999
01:29:41,160 --> 01:29:42,439
Speaker 3: that that's a really weird one?

2000
01:29:42,640 --> 01:29:44,840
Speaker 2: You know, you know, I don't want to say things

2001
01:29:44,840 --> 01:29:47,760
Speaker 2: that that that become liable because could could have could

2002
01:29:47,800 --> 01:29:52,960
Speaker 2: have a well respected judge have a really bad night

2003
01:29:53,000 --> 01:29:54,559
Speaker 2: at the office for all those things we just said,

2004
01:29:54,600 --> 01:29:56,240
Speaker 2: being on your own island, not being on sure of

2005
01:29:56,240 --> 01:29:59,880
Speaker 2: course they could, but that one smelled. That one smelled

2006
01:29:59,880 --> 01:30:00,280
Speaker 2: like shit.

2007
01:30:00,439 --> 01:30:02,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, that one was all great, all right? From old

2008
01:30:02,760 --> 01:30:04,960
Speaker 3: ben Kenobi thirteen. I always go back to this. It's like,

2009
01:30:04,960 --> 01:30:07,600
Speaker 3: we're looking for Obi wan Kenoby. What's your name? I'm

2010
01:30:08,280 --> 01:30:13,280
Speaker 3: Ben Kenoby, totally unrelated. Okay, worst fucking disguise ever, he writes,

2011
01:30:13,680 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, as BC would say when he's imitating Pepe

2012
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:19,519
Speaker 3: Lar pew.

2013
01:30:19,439 --> 01:30:20,400
Speaker 1: And other sex pests.

2014
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:22,840
Speaker 3: Many of us have met a guy who claims to

2015
01:30:22,880 --> 01:30:24,760
Speaker 3: be a black belt MMA. How many fighters do you

2016
01:30:24,800 --> 01:30:27,720
Speaker 3: think would qualify for that distinction if it was a

2017
01:30:27,720 --> 01:30:30,439
Speaker 3: real thing. Parameters would be striking, boxing, wrestling, and graphic

2018
01:30:30,479 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 3: submissions BJJA to an elite level in terms of technique,

2019
01:30:33,520 --> 01:30:34,760
Speaker 3: execution and decision making.

2020
01:30:34,800 --> 01:30:35,240
Speaker 1: They say a.

2021
01:30:35,160 --> 01:30:38,559
Speaker 3: Black belt takes a round, you know, I don't know, really,

2022
01:30:38,680 --> 01:30:41,720
Speaker 3: everyone's different. I mean, Bjpenn and some other guys got

2023
01:30:41,760 --> 01:30:43,600
Speaker 3: it in four years. Some people get it closer to

2024
01:30:43,640 --> 01:30:46,120
Speaker 3: ten or twelve. But I would say if that's a

2025
01:30:46,200 --> 01:30:48,599
Speaker 3: thing where we're measuring that, there'd be you know, there'd

2026
01:30:48,640 --> 01:30:50,000
Speaker 3: be a fair I mean, it's a fair amount.

2027
01:30:49,720 --> 01:30:51,639
Speaker 1: Of ju jitsu black belts in MMA.

2028
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:53,960
Speaker 3: If MMA is your primary occupation, I would imagine we

2029
01:30:53,960 --> 01:30:55,720
Speaker 3: would have a fair amount of those as well. I'm

2030
01:30:55,720 --> 01:30:57,559
Speaker 3: just glad we don't have a belt system that way.

2031
01:30:57,680 --> 01:30:59,960
Speaker 2: I mean, if you become an elite, well rounded fighter,

2032
01:31:00,200 --> 01:31:03,760
Speaker 2: you've essentially become a black belt in mixed martial arts. Correct, Yeah,

2033
01:31:03,840 --> 01:31:06,879
Speaker 2: unless you're like a one dimensional and you're you know, you're.

2034
01:31:06,960 --> 01:31:09,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, But like you would say, Habib's black belt and

2035
01:31:09,120 --> 01:31:10,880
Speaker 3: his striking is not like it's not terrible, but it's

2036
01:31:10,880 --> 01:31:12,120
Speaker 3: not like amazing or anything.

2037
01:31:12,320 --> 01:31:12,519
Speaker 1: You know.

2038
01:31:13,520 --> 01:31:15,040
Speaker 2: I think there's a fair argument. And a guy like

2039
01:31:15,120 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 2: Habib who although he's worked out the striking to work

2040
01:31:17,960 --> 01:31:20,280
Speaker 2: for him, and look, he fucking dropped Connor with a bomb,

2041
01:31:20,320 --> 01:31:23,519
Speaker 2: so he did evolve. Was he ever a black belt

2042
01:31:23,520 --> 01:31:25,639
Speaker 2: in striking? Though? No, no, he wasn't. Luke, he wasn't.

2043
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:28,000
Speaker 2: So would he not earn a complete black belt in

2044
01:31:28,040 --> 01:31:30,519
Speaker 2: mixed martial arts under the spirit of this question from

2045
01:31:30,520 --> 01:31:32,920
Speaker 2: old Ben? I don't know. I don't know Luke real.

2046
01:31:32,880 --> 01:31:35,559
Speaker 1: Quick, even in like, even in judo or jiu jitsu.

2047
01:31:35,600 --> 01:31:37,479
Speaker 1: You know you're not good at every throw, you're not

2048
01:31:37,520 --> 01:31:38,520
Speaker 1: good at every submission.

2049
01:31:38,520 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 3: You have a game. But the question is your overall

2050
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:43,679
Speaker 3: level of ability high enough? Yeah, clearly it's high enough.

2051
01:31:43,720 --> 01:31:45,960
Speaker 2: You know, Luke, I saw a great stat you know

2052
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:48,240
Speaker 2: Dan Kenobia who works for a compy box. His dad

2053
01:31:48,240 --> 01:31:52,280
Speaker 2: found it Aboukenobia. Yes, after Aerol Spence got hurt in

2054
01:31:52,360 --> 01:31:57,479
Speaker 2: round six by Ugas, he outlanded him one hundred and

2055
01:31:57,520 --> 01:31:59,639
Speaker 2: thirteen to twenty five until the stop.

2056
01:32:01,479 --> 01:32:05,320
Speaker 3: Good God, good lord, dude, I'm telling you, I don't

2057
01:32:05,320 --> 01:32:07,120
Speaker 3: know who the fuck stops that guy. And if Crawford

2058
01:32:07,160 --> 01:32:09,080
Speaker 3: can't do it, it's got to be literally it has

2059
01:32:09,120 --> 01:32:12,200
Speaker 3: to be a up aweight class or two to break

2060
01:32:12,240 --> 01:32:15,240
Speaker 3: people's faces with the regularity he's doing it is fucking shocking,

2061
01:32:15,280 --> 01:32:18,000
Speaker 3: all right. Last, but not least, b see O'Reilly seven

2062
01:32:18,040 --> 01:32:18,920
Speaker 3: to four zero two.

2063
01:32:19,479 --> 01:32:20,080
Speaker 1: Good question.

2064
01:32:20,120 --> 01:32:24,839
Speaker 3: I like this favorite stadium to work slash watch combat sports.

2065
01:32:24,880 --> 01:32:25,360
Speaker 1: What do you think?

2066
01:32:25,880 --> 01:32:28,519
Speaker 2: Great question? Great question. So I'm old school, having grown

2067
01:32:28,600 --> 01:32:31,040
Speaker 2: up ninety minutes from New York City, that Madison Square

2068
01:32:31,080 --> 01:32:33,719
Speaker 2: Garden will always be instill is to this day, especially

2069
01:32:33,760 --> 01:32:36,400
Speaker 2: after the renovation a couple years back. It's the mecca, Luke,

2070
01:32:36,479 --> 01:32:38,160
Speaker 2: I've said it. If I go there for a concert,

2071
01:32:38,280 --> 01:32:40,160
Speaker 2: if I go there for a hockey game of basketball game,

2072
01:32:40,400 --> 01:32:43,240
Speaker 2: it just feels more important. The stakes are raised. That's

2073
01:32:43,280 --> 01:32:46,240
Speaker 2: the case for combat sports. The boxing doesn't go to

2074
01:32:46,280 --> 01:32:49,000
Speaker 2: New York for the big ones a ton because the

2075
01:32:49,080 --> 01:32:51,240
Speaker 2: tax laws are so high, and obviously in Vegas or

2076
01:32:51,280 --> 01:32:54,320
Speaker 2: Texas you can get a much better split. But when, Luke,

2077
01:32:54,320 --> 01:32:56,599
Speaker 2: when you find out that a big time boxing match

2078
01:32:56,640 --> 01:32:59,559
Speaker 2: is at MSG, just like when you find out every

2079
01:32:59,600 --> 01:33:02,040
Speaker 2: November that UFC is going back with a big card there, Dude,

2080
01:33:02,040 --> 01:33:03,240
Speaker 2: it's fucking it matters.

2081
01:33:03,280 --> 01:33:03,519
Speaker 1: Man.

2082
01:33:03,720 --> 01:33:07,800
Speaker 2: It's special as shit. So that one I'm gonna throw

2083
01:33:07,840 --> 01:33:11,040
Speaker 2: out boxing in Carson, California at the stub Hub now

2084
01:33:11,120 --> 01:33:11,759
Speaker 2: the digit.

2085
01:33:11,800 --> 01:33:13,919
Speaker 1: I gotta go there. I gotta go there, man.

2086
01:33:13,880 --> 01:33:16,559
Speaker 2: That is a special place. And Luke, I'll say this,

2087
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:21,160
Speaker 2: even though I like T Mobile Arena, whenever that arena

2088
01:33:21,320 --> 01:33:23,640
Speaker 2: is busy and we go back to MGM Grand, it

2089
01:33:23,640 --> 01:33:27,400
Speaker 2: reminds me how intimate and perfect the MGM Grand is

2090
01:33:27,560 --> 01:33:30,920
Speaker 2: for boxing or MMA. It's just perfect, dude.

2091
01:33:31,240 --> 01:33:31,760
Speaker 1: I'll say this.

2092
01:33:31,880 --> 01:33:33,960
Speaker 3: So if they're asking, it's different, right because if they're

2093
01:33:34,000 --> 01:33:37,839
Speaker 3: asking to work, the stuff I do is not super

2094
01:33:37,880 --> 01:33:40,720
Speaker 3: well situated for being at a venue. Like for you,

2095
01:33:40,760 --> 01:33:42,240
Speaker 3: it is because you're on the row and then you

2096
01:33:42,280 --> 01:33:45,000
Speaker 3: write and then you can do the HQ hit. I

2097
01:33:45,040 --> 01:33:46,439
Speaker 3: can do qu hits too, but you know what I'm saying,

2098
01:33:46,439 --> 01:33:48,479
Speaker 3: Like the writing component really puts you front and center,

2099
01:33:48,520 --> 01:33:50,439
Speaker 3: and so it gives you a different perspective because you

2100
01:33:50,479 --> 01:33:52,760
Speaker 3: really need to be there to tell the story effectively.

2101
01:33:52,840 --> 01:33:55,479
Speaker 3: I don't for what I do. So my question was

2102
01:33:55,479 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 3: always if I'm working in a place, what's the media

2103
01:33:58,400 --> 01:33:59,840
Speaker 3: room like, to be honest with you, because thats where

2104
01:33:59,840 --> 01:34:01,599
Speaker 3: I'm to be doing the majority of my work except

2105
01:34:01,640 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 3: when with showtime or something, and then they put us.

2106
01:34:03,760 --> 01:34:05,080
Speaker 1: I mean, you know, it's.

2107
01:34:04,960 --> 01:34:09,360
Speaker 3: Either the fruit Flies, Mohgan Sun or it's the radio

2108
01:34:09,439 --> 01:34:12,360
Speaker 3: booth at at and T Stadium. But in all seriousness,

2109
01:34:12,640 --> 01:34:17,679
Speaker 3: I don't like T Mobile because their media outlets suck.

2110
01:34:17,760 --> 01:34:20,120
Speaker 3: Their media rooms are terrible there. They never thought that

2111
01:34:20,200 --> 01:34:22,920
Speaker 3: through at all. MGMBC, you knows as well as I do.

2112
01:34:22,960 --> 01:34:25,960
Speaker 3: They got the two tiered one. They have that whole

2113
01:34:26,040 --> 01:34:28,200
Speaker 3: upper deck where you can go to and it's got

2114
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:29,960
Speaker 3: all those booths and I can do my show in there,

2115
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:33,400
Speaker 3: no problem. Now to watch combat sports, that's where it

2116
01:34:33,400 --> 01:34:36,559
Speaker 3: gets a little bit different to watch. I'm gonna say.

2117
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Speaker 3: I gotta tell you I like Barclays. I think it's

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01:34:39,880 --> 01:34:41,360
Speaker 3: a little bit radio the place.

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Speaker 2: I agree with you, by the way, the atmosphere in

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01:34:46,560 --> 01:34:49,280
Speaker 2: Barclays for big time boxing. First of all, it's the

2121
01:34:49,320 --> 01:34:51,160
Speaker 2: most amount of marijuana smell you're ever gonna find a

2122
01:34:51,160 --> 01:34:53,240
Speaker 2: wan arena this side of like a fish concert. I mean,

2123
01:34:53,240 --> 01:34:56,160
Speaker 2: there are deer people just getting down at the Barclays

2124
01:34:56,160 --> 01:34:59,640
Speaker 2: Center inside the crowd, and I love it. But it

2125
01:34:59,800 --> 01:35:02,200
Speaker 2: just works. It's a big ass professional arena and it

2126
01:35:02,280 --> 01:35:05,559
Speaker 2: just works, both in terms of sight lines, atmosphere and

2127
01:35:05,920 --> 01:35:08,280
Speaker 2: you know, media, press room all that. I think it's

2128
01:35:08,320 --> 01:35:09,720
Speaker 2: it's it's up there. It's up there for sure.

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01:35:09,760 --> 01:35:11,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll go that. I think MSG as well. I'm

2130
01:35:12,000 --> 01:35:13,639
Speaker 3: not a big fan of the Honda Center. I find

2131
01:35:13,640 --> 01:35:19,000
Speaker 3: it like, okay, not great, it's okay, it's okay, I'm

2132
01:35:19,040 --> 01:35:23,160
Speaker 3: with you. But MGM. MGM is so small, so intimate.

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01:35:23,520 --> 01:35:25,200
Speaker 3: And then that press room in the back where they

2134
01:35:25,200 --> 01:35:27,840
Speaker 3: bring everybody in and you know, because the question was

2135
01:35:27,880 --> 01:35:29,400
Speaker 3: to work, you know this, sup wass I do?

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Speaker 1: BC.

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01:35:29,720 --> 01:35:32,759
Speaker 3: They had these two studios right next to uh, the

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01:35:32,760 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 3: the MGM Grand Garden Arena, called Studios A and B,

2139
01:35:35,400 --> 01:35:37,920
Speaker 3: and then they put all the press people in there,

2140
01:35:38,439 --> 01:35:41,559
Speaker 3: all the media people in there, and all of the

2141
01:35:41,600 --> 01:35:44,640
Speaker 3: fighters and their entourages and everyone who is anyone that

2142
01:35:44,720 --> 01:35:46,720
Speaker 3: week comes through there. So if you stay there and

2143
01:35:46,720 --> 01:35:49,800
Speaker 3: you're just hanging out, dude, you'll see Bernard Hopkins come through,

2144
01:35:49,880 --> 01:35:52,600
Speaker 3: and there's Evander Holyfield and then there's Caneville. You know,

2145
01:35:52,600 --> 01:35:54,320
Speaker 3: I realized that he's in jail, But one time I

2146
01:35:54,320 --> 01:35:57,160
Speaker 3: saw kane Velaskiz just come through. You know, you just

2147
01:35:57,240 --> 01:35:59,280
Speaker 3: all these luminaries just come right through there so you

2148
01:35:59,280 --> 01:36:01,400
Speaker 3: can grab interview us and get quotes and stuff like that.

2149
01:36:01,400 --> 01:36:05,639
Speaker 3: That's the best place to work because it is yours.

2150
01:36:05,640 --> 01:36:06,760
Speaker 3: But that's what I would say.

2151
01:36:06,760 --> 01:36:09,200
Speaker 2: To finalize the question on as a fan or or

2152
01:36:09,280 --> 01:36:11,479
Speaker 2: or as a media member who's there to enjoy it.

2153
01:36:11,520 --> 01:36:14,200
Speaker 2: As a fan, you want intimacy, So that's obviously why

2154
01:36:14,240 --> 01:36:16,760
Speaker 2: that that old stub Hub now Digney Hill Sports Park.

2155
01:36:16,800 --> 01:36:19,360
Speaker 2: It's a tennis bowl in which you're wherever you're sitting,

2156
01:36:19,360 --> 01:36:21,840
Speaker 2: you're on top of the action. That's great. Also, Luke,

2157
01:36:21,920 --> 01:36:25,240
Speaker 2: the theater at Madison Square Garden, the Hulu Theater or

2158
01:36:25,240 --> 01:36:29,200
Speaker 2: whatever they call it, that is an incredible venue for

2159
01:36:29,600 --> 01:36:32,599
Speaker 2: intimacy and fans going nuts for for a boxing match

2160
01:36:32,600 --> 01:36:35,479
Speaker 2: as well. They never go there anymore, but the MGM

2161
01:36:35,640 --> 01:36:38,920
Speaker 2: Foxwoods in Connecticut. Uh, I don't know why they don't

2162
01:36:38,920 --> 01:36:41,080
Speaker 2: go there anymore, but I've seen some great boxing there

2163
01:36:41,120 --> 01:36:43,400
Speaker 2: that It's just it's a theater. You're on top of it.

2164
01:36:43,439 --> 01:36:44,960
Speaker 2: That's what you want, Luke, you want to be on

2165
01:36:45,000 --> 01:36:45,519
Speaker 2: top of it.

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01:36:45,600 --> 01:36:48,080
Speaker 1: All right, Yeah, that's that's truly the answer there.

2167
01:36:48,560 --> 01:36:54,960
Speaker 2: Okay, we always say we only have male fans. We've

2168
01:36:55,000 --> 01:36:59,200
Speaker 2: got mail Christy who calls herself Shine on Twitter. Luke

2169
01:36:59,360 --> 01:37:01,840
Speaker 2: ta at end, Shine girl, do you see this tweet?

2170
01:37:01,880 --> 01:37:03,960
Speaker 2: In the moment, she says, my father in law really

2171
01:37:04,200 --> 01:37:06,439
Speaker 2: rarely sits down to watch things that put on TV.

2172
01:37:06,800 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 2: But we're at the in laws for Easter and my

2173
01:37:08,800 --> 01:37:10,760
Speaker 2: father in law's on the couch right now watching MK,

2174
01:37:11,120 --> 01:37:14,200
Speaker 2: having a good laugh at BC's liver issues. MK is

2175
01:37:14,240 --> 01:37:18,280
Speaker 2: for everyone, even retirees who prefer wrastling. Luke shout out

2176
01:37:18,320 --> 01:37:21,280
Speaker 2: to that old motherfucker that this that Christie's father in law.

2177
01:37:21,439 --> 01:37:23,840
Speaker 2: This guy tuning in, going like, let you know, it

2178
01:37:24,200 --> 01:37:26,080
Speaker 2: reminds me of that scene in Tommy Boy where they

2179
01:37:26,080 --> 01:37:28,840
Speaker 2: got the Tommy Boys got the bomb strapped to his

2180
01:37:28,960 --> 01:37:30,479
Speaker 2: chest with the lady at the diners like you want

2181
01:37:30,479 --> 01:37:36,160
Speaker 2: to watch this? Or American Gladiators and they're like gladiators, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,

2182
01:37:36,200 --> 01:37:38,200
Speaker 2: you know they're probably like, pops, you want to watch

2183
01:37:38,200 --> 01:37:41,040
Speaker 2: the Today Show? Or these two pasty white dads talking

2184
01:37:41,080 --> 01:37:41,719
Speaker 2: about livers.

2185
01:37:41,760 --> 01:37:41,920
Speaker 1: You know?

2186
01:37:42,040 --> 01:37:44,000
Speaker 3: So, was it was it Tommy Boy where they got

2187
01:37:44,040 --> 01:37:45,680
Speaker 3: high as balls and then they drove and then the

2188
01:37:45,720 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 3: cop was like you're going seven seven black sheep black?

2189
01:37:49,600 --> 01:37:52,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? That was this spinoff? Yeah, yeah, good, good shit,

2190
01:37:52,200 --> 01:37:54,559
Speaker 2: all right, Luke, this is gonna be an abbreviated version

2191
01:37:54,600 --> 01:37:59,960
Speaker 2: of the ship because they're traveling. But shout out, shout out,

2192
01:38:00,120 --> 01:38:03,839
Speaker 2: f Pierre are fantastic producer for assembling this last minute.

2193
01:38:04,320 --> 01:38:06,760
Speaker 2: And yes, I know Matt Sniers no longer the Staples Center.

2194
01:38:06,760 --> 01:38:09,720
Speaker 2: It's cryptocurrencydome dot Com over there in La thing.

2195
01:38:09,840 --> 01:38:11,120
Speaker 1: He just wanted to tell us that so we would

2196
01:38:11,160 --> 01:38:12,599
Speaker 1: promote crypto. That's the kind of guy here.

2197
01:38:12,640 --> 01:38:15,679
Speaker 2: Yeah, the guy loves Doge. That guy fucking loves Doge.

2198
01:38:15,720 --> 01:38:18,880
Speaker 2: All right, here we go, Luke. We start off UFC

2199
01:38:18,920 --> 01:38:21,719
Speaker 2: Fight Night Las Vegas. Oh sorry heis. And Lowe's the ship,

2200
01:38:21,760 --> 01:38:23,960
Speaker 2: the good, the bad, the ugly. I mean, really, have

2201
01:38:24,000 --> 01:38:27,200
Speaker 2: you seen this ship? Let's find out UFC Vegas, Luke.

2202
01:38:27,600 --> 01:38:32,000
Speaker 2: Andre Fiallo put it all over Miguel Baeza, sending him

2203
01:38:32,000 --> 01:38:35,680
Speaker 2: to a third straight defeat. And this was violent, brother.

2204
01:38:36,600 --> 01:38:38,520
Speaker 1: Dirty boxing is legal in MMA.

2205
01:38:38,800 --> 01:38:41,559
Speaker 2: Good lord, dude, what happened? Because you used to be

2206
01:38:41,640 --> 01:38:44,720
Speaker 2: riding the train of meet. Miguel Biazaza was on a.

2207
01:38:44,680 --> 01:38:48,960
Speaker 1: Hot streak until he wasn't you know? Some of his

2208
01:38:49,000 --> 01:38:50,880
Speaker 1: issues have been laid more bare. I mean this what

2209
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:52,200
Speaker 1: this is? Why it's like you gotta fight.

2210
01:38:52,360 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 3: This is why you gotta see him fight all the contenders,

2211
01:38:54,479 --> 01:38:56,760
Speaker 3: you know, because you just don't know until you know.

2212
01:38:56,840 --> 01:38:58,479
Speaker 3: Now we have a clearer sense about his upper you know,

2213
01:38:58,479 --> 01:39:00,160
Speaker 3: his upper bound limits and some of his weak This

2214
01:39:00,320 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 3: is and he's still a good fighter, obviously. Don't misunderstand me.

2215
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:05,679
Speaker 3: But yeah, Fialio put it on him big time.

2216
01:39:06,400 --> 01:39:09,160
Speaker 2: Luke, our favorite big boy, Chris Barnett, the heavyweight was back.

2217
01:39:09,200 --> 01:39:12,360
Speaker 2: He may have lost a third round technical decision following

2218
01:39:12,360 --> 01:39:15,400
Speaker 2: a foul, but he did his thang on the ring.

2219
01:39:15,479 --> 01:39:19,479
Speaker 1: Walk, Luke, your thoughts did they say he was from Spain?

2220
01:39:19,560 --> 01:39:20,719
Speaker 1: He's fighting out of Spain.

2221
01:39:22,120 --> 01:39:23,240
Speaker 2: I don't know what that flag is.

2222
01:39:23,280 --> 01:39:26,040
Speaker 1: Look the Spanish flag and look it says Zara goes

2223
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:26,479
Speaker 1: to Spain.

2224
01:39:27,880 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 2: Is that an error? Do we not know?

2225
01:39:29,640 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 3: I don't know if he just put he was from No,

2226
01:39:31,439 --> 01:39:33,600
Speaker 3: he's got Spain on his fucking I don't know what

2227
01:39:33,640 --> 01:39:36,360
Speaker 3: that is. That's hilarious. But look at him dancing. Look

2228
01:39:36,360 --> 01:39:38,679
Speaker 3: at him, man, Oh he's Luke.

2229
01:39:38,720 --> 01:39:41,200
Speaker 2: He was born there, according to his father, was stationed

2230
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:41,760
Speaker 2: in the Air Force.

2231
01:39:41,800 --> 01:39:45,759
Speaker 3: As there you go. Okay, I say he's decidedly American,

2232
01:39:45,800 --> 01:39:46,519
Speaker 3: But I didn't know the story.

2233
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:49,599
Speaker 2: Yeah, wasn't Bisping born in Germany? You're ass was born

2234
01:39:49,640 --> 01:39:51,599
Speaker 2: at the New Delhi in India.

2235
01:39:51,760 --> 01:39:52,559
Speaker 1: I was born in India.

2236
01:39:52,640 --> 01:39:54,400
Speaker 3: Yes, my brother was born in Paris and my sister

2237
01:39:54,439 --> 01:39:56,440
Speaker 3: was born in Beirut. We were all born overseas.

2238
01:39:57,040 --> 01:39:57,439
Speaker 2: Wow.

2239
01:39:57,600 --> 01:40:00,760
Speaker 3: Wow, that's anyway this man again, I just want to

2240
01:40:00,760 --> 01:40:01,560
Speaker 3: point that out.

2241
01:40:01,840 --> 01:40:05,360
Speaker 2: It's time for close encounters of the Drakar kind two

2242
01:40:05,439 --> 01:40:08,280
Speaker 2: years removed, Luke, he came and did his thing. Dude,

2243
01:40:08,520 --> 01:40:10,599
Speaker 2: did you see the second round? Stop it? He put

2244
01:40:10,640 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 2: on old Brandon Jenkins.

2245
01:40:12,520 --> 01:40:14,639
Speaker 3: Yeah, he tore him up. I mean that was a dude.

2246
01:40:14,640 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 3: This is what we say, dude, jaikark closeman, we're talking

2247
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:17,800
Speaker 3: about it. Everyone's like, oh he got shoved.

2248
01:40:17,840 --> 01:40:18,599
Speaker 1: He must be a pussy.

2249
01:40:18,640 --> 01:40:21,200
Speaker 3: It's like, or he was really injured because all of

2250
01:40:21,240 --> 01:40:23,879
Speaker 3: the other evidence tells us that he's a fucking hammer

2251
01:40:24,040 --> 01:40:26,400
Speaker 3: who just comes forward and you saw it there he

2252
01:40:26,680 --> 01:40:28,880
Speaker 3: put it on him. Good for dakark Close man. You know,

2253
01:40:29,160 --> 01:40:31,200
Speaker 3: when you get injured like that, mad, you lose time.

2254
01:40:30,960 --> 01:40:32,960
Speaker 1: But you good on. I'm sure his social media was

2255
01:40:33,000 --> 01:40:34,320
Speaker 1: filled with trolls, you know.

2256
01:40:34,880 --> 01:40:38,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, he had he had them. Arlene Blenco anger fists.

2257
01:40:38,280 --> 01:40:39,679
Speaker 2: Luke ready, he was ready.

2258
01:40:39,720 --> 01:40:42,360
Speaker 1: You know you you might be the number one Blenco.

2259
01:40:42,040 --> 01:40:45,479
Speaker 2: Fan love Big Big Arlene Blenco fan fright for the title.

2260
01:40:45,479 --> 01:40:47,479
Speaker 2: Third time, Luke, third time could be the charm this

2261
01:40:47,560 --> 01:40:51,760
Speaker 2: weekend in Hawaii, Luke, Big Night at UFC Vegas for

2262
01:40:51,880 --> 01:40:54,759
Speaker 2: Jordan Levitt. You know this guy first of all showing

2263
01:40:54,840 --> 01:40:57,360
Speaker 2: us some plumbers crack on the ground against Trey Ogden.

2264
01:40:57,479 --> 01:41:00,280
Speaker 3: Your thoughts nothing like man asked to get you going

2265
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:00,880
Speaker 3: on a Monday.

2266
01:41:01,640 --> 01:41:03,200
Speaker 2: I mean, like you could put more than a quarter

2267
01:41:03,240 --> 01:41:06,280
Speaker 2: in that slot, Luke. Okay, but but this is not

2268
01:41:06,400 --> 01:41:06,639
Speaker 2: the win.

2269
01:41:06,960 --> 01:41:09,080
Speaker 1: Is truly the dumbest and worst show ever made. I

2270
01:41:10,280 --> 01:41:11,840
Speaker 1: just can't get over how dumb the show is.

2271
01:41:11,880 --> 01:41:13,840
Speaker 2: Oh you canna put a whole loaf of bread in there, Luke.

2272
01:41:14,040 --> 01:41:16,839
Speaker 2: But he would get a split decision win over Ogden.

2273
01:41:16,880 --> 01:41:20,280
Speaker 2: And did you see this erotic dance in the split

2274
01:41:20,360 --> 01:41:21,320
Speaker 2: that he put out there?

2275
01:41:21,960 --> 01:41:23,160
Speaker 1: So is he toking?

2276
01:41:24,040 --> 01:41:26,000
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, I mean is it worth it? Let me

2277
01:41:26,040 --> 01:41:27,960
Speaker 2: work it? Bro right, look at him? Put that thing

2278
01:41:28,000 --> 01:41:32,840
Speaker 2: down fleeting and he's he's Mormon. Okay, well he's still

2279
01:41:32,840 --> 01:41:34,520
Speaker 2: basically like, if you got a big.

2280
01:41:35,760 --> 01:41:36,519
Speaker 1: Let me search it.

2281
01:41:37,080 --> 01:41:40,880
Speaker 2: Yeah. Wow, Okay, let's keep it moving before we get

2282
01:41:40,920 --> 01:41:45,520
Speaker 2: tossed Spencer gas from Dallas. Luke, here's Errol Spent celebrating

2283
01:41:45,560 --> 01:41:48,439
Speaker 2: his big win with a pair of cowboys legends young

2284
01:41:48,479 --> 01:41:51,120
Speaker 2: and old, Michael Parsons and Michael Irvin. But Luke, look

2285
01:41:51,160 --> 01:41:53,640
Speaker 2: at Michael Irvin? What are those bro What are we

2286
01:41:53,720 --> 01:41:57,519
Speaker 2: doing there? Come on, dude, we go full screen gifts.

2287
01:41:57,720 --> 01:42:00,880
Speaker 2: You gotta see these combat boots in the uh. I

2288
01:42:00,920 --> 01:42:02,679
Speaker 2: mean you can't say anything, Luke, because you've.

2289
01:42:02,560 --> 01:42:05,840
Speaker 3: Mixed the Errold Spence looks like a kid who won

2290
01:42:05,880 --> 01:42:08,599
Speaker 3: an award to meet his favorite heroes.

2291
01:42:09,400 --> 01:42:11,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, wow, doesn't he look like.

2292
01:42:11,240 --> 01:42:12,800
Speaker 1: With that oversized hat and shit? You know?

2293
01:42:13,520 --> 01:42:16,280
Speaker 2: I mean, look my You know, Michael Irvin is a playmaker,

2294
01:42:16,280 --> 01:42:19,920
Speaker 2: so he can wear whatever he wants. But I don't know.

2295
01:42:19,960 --> 01:42:22,360
Speaker 3: It's like, Michael, did you get attacked by a dog

2296
01:42:22,520 --> 01:42:25,800
Speaker 3: on the way to the on the way to the venue. Also,

2297
01:42:25,880 --> 01:42:29,120
Speaker 3: Michael Parsons, if he wanted to do Seve, he could

2298
01:42:29,120 --> 01:42:32,880
Speaker 3: fill in for Cannibal Corpse's lead singer because his neck is.

2299
01:42:32,840 --> 01:42:35,760
Speaker 1: The size of Utah. It's unfucking believable.

2300
01:42:36,080 --> 01:42:39,360
Speaker 2: It's wild, Luke. Okay, Also on this undercard, Luke, you

2301
01:42:39,360 --> 01:42:43,880
Speaker 2: saw Jose Valenzuela, the unbeaten uh Mexican product. First round

2302
01:42:43,920 --> 01:42:47,840
Speaker 2: TKO of Bandido Francisco Vargas on this looping left hand.

2303
01:42:47,960 --> 01:42:51,000
Speaker 3: Yes, and then people were saying that Vargas, you know,

2304
01:42:51,120 --> 01:42:53,000
Speaker 3: deserve to be counted out right away. We talked about

2305
01:42:53,040 --> 01:42:56,000
Speaker 3: the outside show. I said, I mean, they saved him

2306
01:42:56,000 --> 01:42:57,439
Speaker 3: a beating. They saved him a beating.

2307
01:42:57,880 --> 01:43:00,439
Speaker 2: Okay, but it's the first round. He's away let him.

2308
01:43:00,479 --> 01:43:03,200
Speaker 2: I mean, can we count to ten anymore? Is that

2309
01:43:03,240 --> 01:43:03,639
Speaker 2: too hard?

2310
01:43:04,000 --> 01:43:06,679
Speaker 3: You're you're right, But at the same time, it's like, bitch,

2311
01:43:06,760 --> 01:43:08,080
Speaker 3: you knew which way this was going.

2312
01:43:08,240 --> 01:43:11,160
Speaker 2: I mean, all right, Luke, let's play rate that form,

2313
01:43:11,640 --> 01:43:14,639
Speaker 2: rate that form. It's weightlifting. Here. Here's Terrence Bud Crawford.

2314
01:43:14,640 --> 01:43:17,320
Speaker 2: We talked about him earlier attempting a four hundred and

2315
01:43:17,320 --> 01:43:22,720
Speaker 2: five pound deadlift while wearing jeans. Luke, Michael Irvin jeans.

2316
01:43:24,080 --> 01:43:27,240
Speaker 1: Oh, not great, really not great.

2317
01:43:27,560 --> 01:43:28,720
Speaker 2: He's pretty strong, though, Luke.

2318
01:43:28,880 --> 01:43:29,840
Speaker 1: Oh, he's strongest, dude.

2319
01:43:29,880 --> 01:43:31,880
Speaker 3: People always think that if you have bad deadlift form,

2320
01:43:31,880 --> 01:43:33,439
Speaker 3: it doesn't mean you're that strong. What is he one

2321
01:43:33,520 --> 01:43:36,600
Speaker 3: hundred and seventy pounds, wet and wearing boots and this

2322
01:43:36,760 --> 01:43:39,519
Speaker 3: is what four oh five something like that. I mean,

2323
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:41,800
Speaker 3: he's obviously strong as shit, So that's on the point'm

2324
01:43:41,800 --> 01:43:43,360
Speaker 3: trying to say. I'll tell you there's a couple things wrong

2325
01:43:43,400 --> 01:43:45,519
Speaker 3: on us. Shouldn't be wearing those shoes. But watch on

2326
01:43:45,600 --> 01:43:47,639
Speaker 3: the lift off. Watch how he jerks the lift off

2327
01:43:47,640 --> 01:43:51,320
Speaker 3: off the ground. Watch he just jumps into it like that.

2328
01:43:51,439 --> 01:43:53,320
Speaker 3: See that, and then his hips come up first and

2329
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:56,040
Speaker 3: then his back. It's because he doesn't have proper tightness

2330
01:43:56,080 --> 01:43:59,000
Speaker 3: and h you Actually the little tip for everyone, one

2331
01:43:59,040 --> 01:44:02,160
Speaker 3: little deadlift tip for you. If on your initial pull

2332
01:44:02,760 --> 01:44:05,639
Speaker 3: you hear the bar clank into the weights, you're doing

2333
01:44:05,680 --> 01:44:08,519
Speaker 3: it wrong. By the time you sit the bar should

2334
01:44:08,560 --> 01:44:11,439
Speaker 3: be almost lifted off the ground and settled into the weights,

2335
01:44:11,439 --> 01:44:14,080
Speaker 3: and so when you execute the lift, there's no noise

2336
01:44:14,120 --> 01:44:15,760
Speaker 3: except for the plates might rattle a little bit, but

2337
01:44:15,800 --> 01:44:19,160
Speaker 3: you shouldn't hear that click from the bar into the metal,

2338
01:44:19,200 --> 01:44:21,160
Speaker 3: which you can see. He gets that because he just

2339
01:44:21,280 --> 01:44:23,200
Speaker 3: jerks it off the ground rather than getting tight and

2340
01:44:23,240 --> 01:44:23,759
Speaker 3: then lifting.

2341
01:44:24,680 --> 01:44:27,280
Speaker 2: Luke's serious fashion question. Do you regret more buying those

2342
01:44:27,320 --> 01:44:30,719
Speaker 2: pre ripped jeans you were in Tampa or the Italian

2343
01:44:30,800 --> 01:44:32,400
Speaker 2: leather man bag you were in Cleveland.

2344
01:44:34,439 --> 01:44:36,479
Speaker 3: I mean, you're asking which one I regret more? Since

2345
01:44:36,520 --> 01:44:38,519
Speaker 3: I regret neither of them, I have no idea how

2346
01:44:38,520 --> 01:44:41,439
Speaker 3: to answer that question. Also, it wasn't a man bag.

2347
01:44:41,479 --> 01:44:42,679
Speaker 3: It was a Colombian man bag.

2348
01:44:43,040 --> 01:44:45,080
Speaker 2: The correct answer would have been the pink panther pants.

2349
01:44:45,080 --> 01:44:47,720
Speaker 2: Look thank you? Okay, Hey, Luke, so many dicks in

2350
01:44:47,720 --> 01:44:50,880
Speaker 2: the wild, we had to put a few on this show. First,

2351
01:44:51,120 --> 01:44:55,520
Speaker 2: I don't know what mountain this is, Luke, but it's wow.

2352
01:44:55,760 --> 01:44:57,960
Speaker 2: I was supposed to be in Utah on vacation this

2353
01:44:58,000 --> 01:45:00,920
Speaker 2: past week. I didn't make it, Luke, But uh yeah,

2354
01:45:00,920 --> 01:45:01,960
Speaker 2: that's creative.

2355
01:45:01,600 --> 01:45:03,360
Speaker 1: Right there? Is that your kid going without you?

2356
01:45:04,400 --> 01:45:08,080
Speaker 2: Uh? No, no, okay, Luke. Secondly, I don't know what

2357
01:45:08,160 --> 01:45:09,840
Speaker 2: building this is. I think they call it the Peter

2358
01:45:10,000 --> 01:45:12,919
Speaker 2: North Tower, but the sixty ninth floor has been erected.

2359
01:45:15,439 --> 01:45:17,200
Speaker 1: If it was the Peter North Tower, it'd be a

2360
01:45:17,200 --> 01:45:18,479
Speaker 1: lot more coming out of the top.

2361
01:45:19,400 --> 01:45:22,320
Speaker 2: Wow. Speaking of pipes, Luke, look at the piece on

2362
01:45:22,439 --> 01:45:24,800
Speaker 2: dan Hendo in this picture. We've seen him with some

2363
01:45:24,840 --> 01:45:26,679
Speaker 2: beautiful women. Now we know why, Luke.

2364
01:45:29,160 --> 01:45:31,720
Speaker 1: I mean, men are simple creatures, are they not?

2365
01:45:32,040 --> 01:45:36,080
Speaker 2: They just yeah, when you go to the beach, do

2366
01:45:36,160 --> 01:45:38,720
Speaker 2: the women in your life ask you to build a castle, Luke,

2367
01:45:38,840 --> 01:45:39,679
Speaker 2: a sand castle.

2368
01:45:41,040 --> 01:45:48,559
Speaker 1: No, why.

2369
01:45:47,560 --> 01:45:50,800
Speaker 3: Look at the pride, Look at the blow that up,

2370
01:45:50,840 --> 01:45:54,320
Speaker 3: blow that up. Look at the smile on the dude

2371
01:45:54,320 --> 01:45:57,960
Speaker 3: who's making Look at him cheesing as he forms the

2372
01:45:57,960 --> 01:45:59,320
Speaker 3: bell end of this fucking thing.

2373
01:45:59,479 --> 01:46:01,720
Speaker 1: Unbelieva Wow, Luke.

2374
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:04,479
Speaker 2: Shout out to Carla Esparza, who will get another chance

2375
01:46:04,479 --> 01:46:08,160
Speaker 2: out of UFC strawweight title. She's the inaugural champion, of course,

2376
01:46:08,160 --> 01:46:10,759
Speaker 2: But Luke, she's also engaged and recently had her bachelor

2377
01:46:10,840 --> 01:46:23,599
Speaker 2: rap party. So speaking of uh, like the like the cake,

2378
01:46:23,680 --> 01:46:26,320
Speaker 2: says Luke, we wish her nothing but happiness.

2379
01:46:27,000 --> 01:46:29,920
Speaker 1: Yes, okay, the the cake inscription is pretty funny.

2380
01:46:30,600 --> 01:46:34,840
Speaker 3: The dick on top, I gotta tell you, I'm not

2381
01:46:34,840 --> 01:46:38,120
Speaker 3: sure it's a healthy looking dick, Luke.

2382
01:46:38,680 --> 01:46:42,240
Speaker 2: Okay, let's let's try to stay employed. Luke. Where I

2383
01:46:42,439 --> 01:46:44,479
Speaker 2: when I grew up, where the true kings of my

2384
01:46:44,600 --> 01:46:46,880
Speaker 2: town were dressed in drug rugs? You better believe that

2385
01:46:47,360 --> 01:46:49,960
Speaker 2: all the action took place at the McDonald's parking lot

2386
01:46:50,000 --> 01:46:54,960
Speaker 2: on Rubber Avenue. Luke, fights car recks, the threats of

2387
01:46:54,960 --> 01:46:58,800
Speaker 2: fights drugs. Check out this fight in the McDonald's parking lot. Luke.

2388
01:47:02,680 --> 01:47:06,640
Speaker 2: Oh wow, gta brother.

2389
01:47:06,479 --> 01:47:09,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, dude, what were they bitter about?

2390
01:47:10,640 --> 01:47:11,479
Speaker 2: Probably bitches?

2391
01:47:12,800 --> 01:47:13,519
Speaker 1: Oh shit?

2392
01:47:15,479 --> 01:47:18,240
Speaker 3: So wait, did this person pull over and try to

2393
01:47:18,320 --> 01:47:20,200
Speaker 3: run these people over and then get the car stuck?

2394
01:47:20,240 --> 01:47:21,519
Speaker 3: Like why are they not backing up?

2395
01:47:22,000 --> 01:47:23,600
Speaker 2: He got the car stuck and now he's got to

2396
01:47:23,640 --> 01:47:30,639
Speaker 2: pay right now that Oh shit. Oh he's got hands though, Luke,

2397
01:47:30,680 --> 01:47:31,920
Speaker 2: he's got hands, bro.

2398
01:47:32,120 --> 01:47:34,639
Speaker 3: Everyone in this fucking thing has a ball of clava

2399
01:47:34,720 --> 01:47:41,000
Speaker 3: on or did. Yeah, this is very much the shoot

2400
01:47:41,040 --> 01:47:43,479
Speaker 3: first asked questions later approach to life that I have

2401
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:46,880
Speaker 3: not subscribed to, which has mercifully at this point kept

2402
01:47:46,880 --> 01:47:47,800
Speaker 3: me out of jail.

2403
01:47:48,520 --> 01:47:51,240
Speaker 2: You've never gone third world on somebody, is what you're saying.

2404
01:47:51,040 --> 01:47:53,519
Speaker 3: Luke, unlike the cab driver who picked me up from

2405
01:47:53,520 --> 01:47:55,479
Speaker 3: the Village Idiot in New York City one time. No,

2406
01:47:55,560 --> 01:47:57,960
Speaker 3: I've never gone third world on a motherfucker.

2407
01:47:58,200 --> 01:48:00,759
Speaker 2: Uh, Luke. Let's check in on the on our favorite

2408
01:48:01,040 --> 01:48:04,000
Speaker 2: combat sports couple, the Beltrans, Luke. Joey and Brett recently

2409
01:48:04,000 --> 01:48:06,879
Speaker 2: took it a trip to the Miami Selfie Museum.

2410
01:48:06,960 --> 01:48:14,280
Speaker 1: Luke, Listen, I understand Joey. I understand this man.

2411
01:48:15,000 --> 01:48:17,400
Speaker 2: He loves fruit, Luke. He's a big fan of peaches.

2412
01:48:18,560 --> 01:48:21,240
Speaker 1: Yes, he lacks very ripe and delicious peaches.

2413
01:48:21,240 --> 01:48:24,799
Speaker 2: Who wouldn't you and the presidents of the United States?

2414
01:48:24,840 --> 01:48:26,880
Speaker 2: What a shitty nineties band? Luke, all right, let's keep

2415
01:48:26,880 --> 01:48:29,680
Speaker 2: it going here, Luke, I don't know if you saw this.

2416
01:48:29,800 --> 01:48:33,160
Speaker 2: In this Memphis Grizzlies playoff game, Luke, are they still

2417
01:48:33,160 --> 01:48:36,880
Speaker 2: in Memphis? This woman chained herself to the to the

2418
01:48:37,280 --> 01:48:40,679
Speaker 2: hoop in the middle of the game to protest how

2419
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:45,760
Speaker 2: chickens are handled at h at farms. I guess, Luke,

2420
01:48:45,800 --> 01:48:46,599
Speaker 2: did you see this shit?

2421
01:48:48,200 --> 01:48:50,360
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, listen, I'll say this.

2422
01:48:50,880 --> 01:48:54,960
Speaker 3: I understand her claims because it is true that we

2423
01:48:55,080 --> 01:48:58,560
Speaker 3: have just engaged in vast animal torture and abuse of

2424
01:48:58,560 --> 01:49:00,400
Speaker 3: their welfare in ways it is hard to describe.

2425
01:49:01,000 --> 01:49:02,080
Speaker 1: So she's right about that.

2426
01:49:02,600 --> 01:49:04,120
Speaker 3: But I keep trying to tell these people it's like,

2427
01:49:04,160 --> 01:49:07,840
Speaker 3: if you fucking interrupt my ballgame, or do I've been okay?

2428
01:49:07,840 --> 01:49:09,559
Speaker 3: So three ninety five is the major thorough out here

2429
01:49:09,560 --> 01:49:12,080
Speaker 3: in the city. Almost every day, not quite, but almost

2430
01:49:12,080 --> 01:49:14,000
Speaker 3: every day. The last week when we were gone, a

2431
01:49:14,040 --> 01:49:16,920
Speaker 3: bunch of climate activists would block three ninety five and

2432
01:49:16,960 --> 01:49:19,000
Speaker 3: so people couldn't drive on the highway. It's like, bro,

2433
01:49:19,080 --> 01:49:21,400
Speaker 3: let me explain something to you, there is nothing you

2434
01:49:21,439 --> 01:49:23,800
Speaker 3: could do to make me less sympathetic to your cause

2435
01:49:23,880 --> 01:49:27,520
Speaker 3: than fucking with my life like that, So don't.

2436
01:49:27,240 --> 01:49:31,120
Speaker 2: Do it, all right, You are right that all you

2437
01:49:31,120 --> 01:49:33,560
Speaker 2: have to do is watch any number of Netflix documentaries

2438
01:49:33,560 --> 01:49:39,520
Speaker 2: to see how badly, Luke are our nation does with slaughterhouses, chickens, yeah.

2439
01:49:39,640 --> 01:49:41,479
Speaker 1: A gaglaws, all kinds of stuff.

2440
01:49:42,000 --> 01:49:46,519
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, uh, Luke, I know you heard the word

2441
01:49:46,560 --> 01:49:48,600
Speaker 3: gag and you thought, what joke can I make about this?

2442
01:49:48,680 --> 01:49:49,920
Speaker 1: That's philography related?

2443
01:49:49,960 --> 01:49:52,200
Speaker 2: Can I get a pulp fiction reference in there, Luke,

2444
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:56,000
Speaker 2: that man's nuts grab them? It was Alcedi's Escobar of

2445
01:49:56,040 --> 01:49:59,599
Speaker 2: the Washington Nationals taking this pickoff throw right to the pills.

2446
01:49:59,680 --> 01:50:01,880
Speaker 1: Luke, bro, you know that has to hurt.

2447
01:50:01,920 --> 01:50:03,360
Speaker 3: And let me ask you when we are a little league,

2448
01:50:03,360 --> 01:50:05,800
Speaker 3: and I obviously have no frame of reference for beyond that,

2449
01:50:06,800 --> 01:50:08,800
Speaker 3: I know the catcher probably has to wear a cup

2450
01:50:08,840 --> 01:50:09,639
Speaker 3: and a whole bunch of gear.

2451
01:50:09,800 --> 01:50:12,839
Speaker 1: Do the ballplayers still wear cups every ballplay?

2452
01:50:12,920 --> 01:50:15,719
Speaker 2: Good choice of calling that every ballplayer should be wearing

2453
01:50:15,720 --> 01:50:16,559
Speaker 2: a cup at this level?

2454
01:50:16,600 --> 01:50:18,320
Speaker 1: Yes? But are they are they?

2455
01:50:18,479 --> 01:50:21,160
Speaker 2: I don't go around checking, Luke. I don't come. I

2456
01:50:21,160 --> 01:50:23,800
Speaker 2: don't come and knock three times on the ceiling. If

2457
01:50:23,800 --> 01:50:24,439
Speaker 2: you want, I.

2458
01:50:24,360 --> 01:50:26,920
Speaker 3: Know you want to, I need you to go to

2459
01:50:27,200 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 3: the local Yankees locker room and then just inspect everyone's hogs.

2460
01:50:31,439 --> 01:50:37,839
Speaker 2: Yes, yes, yes, Hey, Luke, we got a visitor. It's Emma, Hey, buddy,

2461
01:50:37,840 --> 01:50:40,439
Speaker 2: because Reggie's been taking it to her. Luke. In the

2462
01:50:40,479 --> 01:50:44,240
Speaker 2: Cat Wars, my guy, Reggie Jackson, he's out of control, Luke.

2463
01:50:44,240 --> 01:50:47,160
Speaker 1: Okay, that cat, that cat's about to fuck you up. Bro.

2464
01:50:47,439 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 2: Yeah, that's how all my interactions with women typically, and Luke,

2465
01:50:50,400 --> 01:50:53,439
Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Yeah, all right, that's that's

2466
01:50:53,520 --> 01:50:53,920
Speaker 2: not good.

2467
01:50:54,360 --> 01:50:56,320
Speaker 1: Okay, were a joke, but I'm not going.

2468
01:50:56,240 --> 01:50:59,639
Speaker 2: To do it. Let's bring it home here, Luke. Two

2469
01:50:59,680 --> 01:51:04,519
Speaker 2: more gear or no gear? The legend sexy Yama getting

2470
01:51:04,560 --> 01:51:06,800
Speaker 2: it done in the gym and posing Luke, what's your

2471
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:07,280
Speaker 2: take on this?

2472
01:51:07,840 --> 01:51:10,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean listen, I'm not judging him. I'll just say,

2473
01:51:10,240 --> 01:51:12,479
Speaker 3: whatever he is on, I would like to have some.

2474
01:51:13,840 --> 01:51:16,160
Speaker 2: Can we get sponsored by whatever he's on? Please?

2475
01:51:16,200 --> 01:51:18,680
Speaker 3: Can we call out to seriously, if there's a if

2476
01:51:18,720 --> 01:51:20,920
Speaker 3: there's like a if there's a health clinic or whatever

2477
01:51:21,080 --> 01:51:23,920
Speaker 3: euphemistic name they use for these places anymore that wants

2478
01:51:23,960 --> 01:51:26,400
Speaker 3: to put me on drugs. By all means, please understand

2479
01:51:26,400 --> 01:51:27,400
Speaker 3: that I am interested.

2480
01:51:28,240 --> 01:51:30,320
Speaker 2: When are you combat? Brought to you by Balco? Yeah,

2481
01:51:30,400 --> 01:51:33,720
Speaker 2: it's great, Luke. All right, one more look. This was

2482
01:51:33,760 --> 01:51:35,880
Speaker 2: the clip that that I tried to put on a

2483
01:51:35,880 --> 01:51:37,920
Speaker 2: few weeks ago and it wasn't there. This is an

2484
01:51:37,920 --> 01:51:40,080
Speaker 2: all time have you seen this ship clip? Let's go

2485
01:51:40,120 --> 01:51:42,920
Speaker 2: to the dorm room. This college chick brought her mom

2486
01:51:43,040 --> 01:51:46,200
Speaker 2: to school one night to party, Luke. This is how

2487
01:51:46,240 --> 01:51:46,759
Speaker 2: it ended.

2488
01:51:51,760 --> 01:51:58,920
Speaker 1: It ended with me looking at you. Oh oh oh

2489
01:51:59,320 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 1: fuck dude?

2490
01:52:02,360 --> 01:52:06,479
Speaker 2: Did she and then slip in her own Yeah? That

2491
01:52:06,600 --> 01:52:08,640
Speaker 2: last white claw, Luke put her put her over the

2492
01:52:08,680 --> 01:52:09,479
Speaker 2: top there mom?

2493
01:52:09,560 --> 01:52:13,599
Speaker 1: But uh yeah, Jesus Christ, bro.

2494
01:52:14,200 --> 01:52:16,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, this is ah. This is a reenactment of you

2495
01:52:16,920 --> 01:52:19,120
Speaker 2: and I on the rooftop with Chuck after we finished

2496
01:52:19,320 --> 01:52:20,040
Speaker 2: the first ever.

2497
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:23,360
Speaker 1: I think I might be older than that woman.

2498
01:52:25,160 --> 01:52:27,400
Speaker 2: All right, looke, That's the only ship I've got this week.

2499
01:52:27,479 --> 01:52:29,240
Speaker 2: Uh look, check it next week for more.

2500
01:52:29,439 --> 01:52:30,720
Speaker 1: Thank you very good.

2501
01:52:31,120 --> 01:52:33,320
Speaker 3: We have time for briefly if you want to see

2502
01:52:33,400 --> 01:52:34,760
Speaker 3: odds and ends, what do you have?

2503
01:52:35,760 --> 01:52:39,240
Speaker 2: Look? Dana white U at this weekend's press conferences kind

2504
01:52:39,240 --> 01:52:41,320
Speaker 2: of leaked it out there and Mike Boone was doing

2505
01:52:41,320 --> 01:52:44,080
Speaker 2: some reporting and I saw his tweet. It looks like

2506
01:52:44,479 --> 01:52:47,320
Speaker 2: the UFC has officially made a at least a request

2507
01:52:47,320 --> 01:52:50,040
Speaker 2: to John Jones to return this summer against Steep A

2508
01:52:50,120 --> 01:52:55,160
Speaker 2: mio Chich, presumably July second, International Fight Week, Luke, if

2509
01:52:55,200 --> 01:52:59,000
Speaker 2: they put an interim heavyweight title on John Jones versus Steepe,

2510
01:52:59,680 --> 01:53:03,880
Speaker 2: for my money, that's more than acceptable as an International

2511
01:53:03,880 --> 01:53:06,439
Speaker 2: Fight Week main event. Give me that shit, dude, Give

2512
01:53:06,479 --> 01:53:06,880
Speaker 2: it to me.

2513
01:53:07,280 --> 01:53:10,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that would be amazing. Do you believe it?

2514
01:53:10,680 --> 01:53:14,559
Speaker 3: Not that the sorry not that we're disbelieving Mike's reporting,

2515
01:53:14,600 --> 01:53:16,160
Speaker 3: but rather that it will actually happen.

2516
01:53:16,520 --> 01:53:18,880
Speaker 2: Well, Mike's reporting is that an offer was made to

2517
01:53:19,000 --> 01:53:22,720
Speaker 2: Jones about this specific date. Let's not forget that John

2518
01:53:22,800 --> 01:53:28,720
Speaker 2: Jones is sat out Luke, presumably for you know, leverage

2519
01:53:28,720 --> 01:53:32,200
Speaker 2: of his salary. Remember, let let's not forget he came

2520
01:53:32,240 --> 01:53:34,320
Speaker 2: out and said I want Deontay Wilder money, and then

2521
01:53:34,520 --> 01:53:36,559
Speaker 2: that went nowhere, and he hired Richard Schaeffer and that

2522
01:53:36,640 --> 01:53:39,080
Speaker 2: kind of went nowhere. If he's willing to take Luke,

2523
01:53:39,120 --> 01:53:42,280
Speaker 2: whatever is the middle ground between what he wants and

2524
01:53:42,320 --> 01:53:44,719
Speaker 2: what they're willing to offer him for this heavyweight debut

2525
01:53:45,080 --> 01:53:48,080
Speaker 2: there's so much royalty in this. Think about it. Stepe

2526
01:53:48,120 --> 01:53:51,559
Speaker 2: is still kind of considered the greatest heavyweight, the most

2527
01:53:51,560 --> 01:53:55,120
Speaker 2: accomplished heavyweight in UFC history. John's the greatest fighter in

2528
01:53:55,160 --> 01:53:57,519
Speaker 2: the history of the sport. Put them together with an

2529
01:53:57,520 --> 01:54:00,880
Speaker 2: interim title on the line and the chance at fighting

2530
01:54:00,880 --> 01:54:03,720
Speaker 2: in Ghanu if he ends up coming back. God, this

2531
01:54:03,880 --> 01:54:07,080
Speaker 2: is great. This is good. Please John, John, I know

2532
01:54:07,120 --> 01:54:08,880
Speaker 2: that we've had we haven't had. We've had an up

2533
01:54:08,920 --> 01:54:11,160
Speaker 2: and down history. Mostly it's been you and Luke that's

2534
01:54:11,200 --> 01:54:15,439
Speaker 2: been up and down, really down. He's look, he's just yeah,

2535
01:54:16,520 --> 01:54:19,960
Speaker 2: before that, they had yeah, a few ups. Hey, John,

2536
01:54:21,160 --> 01:54:26,320
Speaker 2: take that take that ship, take that money. Okay, let's

2537
01:54:26,360 --> 01:54:28,080
Speaker 2: do this. I'll meet you there in Vegas.

2538
01:54:28,520 --> 01:54:30,439
Speaker 1: I'll save my odds and ends because I'll just tell

2539
01:54:30,439 --> 01:54:30,920
Speaker 1: you what it is.

2540
01:54:30,960 --> 01:54:37,680
Speaker 3: But manir Lezez openly shouting out a internationally sought alleged

2541
01:54:37,800 --> 01:54:38,680
Speaker 3: crime and murder.

2542
01:54:38,720 --> 01:54:39,080
Speaker 1: Boss.

2543
01:54:40,120 --> 01:54:42,080
Speaker 3: You know, only in MMA does this have to be

2544
01:54:42,080 --> 01:54:46,520
Speaker 3: explained to people that it's morally bankrupt to align yourselves

2545
01:54:46,520 --> 01:54:48,520
Speaker 3: to people like that. But okay, well, I'll make an

2546
01:54:48,520 --> 01:54:51,520
Speaker 3: attempt at it a little bit later. But I have

2547
01:54:51,560 --> 01:54:53,960
Speaker 3: to say the UFC and then Disney in particular, they

2548
01:54:54,280 --> 01:54:56,120
Speaker 3: must be wondering what is wrong that this kind of

2549
01:54:56,120 --> 01:54:57,000
Speaker 3: stuff keeps happening.

2550
01:54:57,000 --> 01:54:59,560
Speaker 2: But Luke, did you see our guy or my guy?

2551
01:54:59,560 --> 01:55:01,919
Speaker 2: I don't know if even know Alan Dawson of Insider,

2552
01:55:01,960 --> 01:55:05,440
Speaker 2: who recently relocated his family Las Vegas from the from

2553
01:55:05,480 --> 01:55:07,800
Speaker 2: the UK and is doing great work for them. Dude,

2554
01:55:07,800 --> 01:55:09,880
Speaker 2: he went hard as a as a mofo and that

2555
01:55:09,960 --> 01:55:10,839
Speaker 2: postfight presser.

2556
01:55:11,600 --> 01:55:14,360
Speaker 3: We're not used to seeing MMA media do actual journalism,

2557
01:55:14,400 --> 01:55:18,080
Speaker 3: but he did. He did so I give I give

2558
01:55:18,120 --> 01:55:19,839
Speaker 3: Dawson all the credit in the world for just following

2559
01:55:19,840 --> 01:55:21,560
Speaker 3: the story and then following up with this. I mean,

2560
01:55:22,000 --> 01:55:24,560
Speaker 3: it's just I cannot believe he said something like not Dawson,

2561
01:55:24,640 --> 01:55:26,840
Speaker 3: but Lizz, I can't believe he said something like that.

2562
01:55:26,920 --> 01:55:29,240
Speaker 3: But there are apparently a lot of people who think

2563
01:55:29,280 --> 01:55:33,120
Speaker 3: that it's totally normal to befriend people like that.

2564
01:55:33,240 --> 01:55:35,959
Speaker 1: But it is not. It is it is it is Uh,

2565
01:55:36,080 --> 01:55:37,360
Speaker 1: it is not normal at all.

2566
01:55:37,520 --> 01:55:39,880
Speaker 2: Will that be an extra credit video coming out today, Luke?

2567
01:55:40,160 --> 01:55:41,240
Speaker 1: It will be? It will be?

2568
01:55:41,320 --> 01:55:44,080
Speaker 2: Yes, all right, set your watches people, there we go.

2569
01:55:44,080 --> 01:55:47,160
Speaker 3: Set your motherfucking watches, all right, b see that is

2570
01:55:47,200 --> 01:55:48,760
Speaker 3: it for a Monday show? What's the plan for the

2571
01:55:48,760 --> 01:55:52,280
Speaker 3: rest of the day. Just tons of pornography.

2572
01:55:53,200 --> 01:55:55,360
Speaker 2: I might I might try to unpack Luke. I might

2573
01:55:55,360 --> 01:55:57,720
Speaker 2: try to make up with them other cats. Just fantastic.

2574
01:55:58,160 --> 01:56:00,720
Speaker 3: All right, Well, you deserve some rests, Please get some.

2575
01:56:00,880 --> 01:56:02,200
Speaker 3: Be on the lookout. We'll have a little bit of

2576
01:56:02,440 --> 01:56:04,040
Speaker 3: a video coming out later. We will have an extra

2577
01:56:04,040 --> 01:56:05,600
Speaker 3: credit as well, so we're gonna have both of those.

2578
01:56:06,720 --> 01:56:11,160
Speaker 2: Look, there's some thought. Okay, look, Mikey warmelor fantastic CBS

2579
01:56:11,200 --> 01:56:15,200
Speaker 2: Sports producer just shot one out here Luke. Okay, probably

2580
01:56:15,240 --> 01:56:18,720
Speaker 2: won't be the first time today. And he said, remember

2581
01:56:18,720 --> 01:56:21,360
Speaker 2: when you guys recorded that other High Court episode that

2582
01:56:21,440 --> 01:56:22,360
Speaker 2: never saw the light of day.

2583
01:56:23,240 --> 01:56:25,240
Speaker 3: Yes, no, no, we said, we're saving that so we

2584
01:56:25,280 --> 01:56:27,480
Speaker 3: could put it out this week, or we could save

2585
01:56:27,520 --> 01:56:30,240
Speaker 3: it for when the fight's actually made. My vote would

2586
01:56:30,240 --> 01:56:33,080
Speaker 3: be for the ladder of those. But but it's not

2587
01:56:33,080 --> 01:56:34,040
Speaker 3: a bat call to do it now.

2588
01:56:34,400 --> 01:56:38,000
Speaker 2: I don't even remember what whether the material was good,

2589
01:56:38,000 --> 01:56:39,800
Speaker 2: whether the jokes were good, whether they hit Luke, I

2590
01:56:39,800 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 2: don't know.

2591
01:56:40,280 --> 01:56:41,920
Speaker 3: Yeah, I haven't seen it in quite some time, so

2592
01:56:41,960 --> 01:56:44,160
Speaker 3: we'll have to go back and look. But yeah, we

2593
01:56:44,200 --> 01:56:46,440
Speaker 3: could potentially put that out this week too. Yes, we'll

2594
01:56:46,480 --> 01:56:48,720
Speaker 3: have plenty of content and by the way, we've got

2595
01:56:48,720 --> 01:56:51,360
Speaker 3: Dillion White Tyson Fury this weekend. We have another UFC

2596
01:56:51,440 --> 01:56:53,480
Speaker 3: event this weekend. We've got some Bellator I think this

2597
01:56:53,520 --> 01:56:54,320
Speaker 3: weekend as well.

2598
01:56:54,400 --> 01:56:54,600
Speaker 1: Dude.

2599
01:56:54,600 --> 01:56:57,960
Speaker 3: The Combat sports calendar is packed this month, so we're

2600
01:56:58,000 --> 01:56:59,960
Speaker 3: gonna get you ready for everything, and we'll have cover

2601
01:57:00,080 --> 01:57:01,640
Speaker 3: Ridge just the same. All right, So thumbs up on

2602
01:57:01,640 --> 01:57:04,440
Speaker 3: the video hit Subscribe Morning Coombat at gmail dot com

2603
01:57:04,440 --> 01:57:05,440
Speaker 3: for Wednesday's fans ups.

2604
01:57:05,440 --> 01:57:06,200
Speaker 1: Friday is dead wrong.

2605
01:57:06,240 --> 01:57:08,760
Speaker 3: We appreciate that you can follow us on social every

2606
01:57:08,760 --> 01:57:11,680
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2607
01:57:11,720 --> 01:57:13,640
Speaker 3: showtime dot com is the label that pays, So go

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Speaker 3: to Showtime dot com get a thirty day free trial.

2609
01:57:15,560 --> 01:57:16,440
Speaker 1: If you like it, keep it.

2610
01:57:16,440 --> 01:57:19,440
Speaker 3: If not, bounce Morningcombat dot Store to see BC. I

2611
01:57:19,440 --> 01:57:23,400
Speaker 3: got one too over here somewhere BC's new hoodie from

2612
01:57:23,400 --> 01:57:26,520
Speaker 3: the from the MK store. Dude, what are you drinking

2613
01:57:26,560 --> 01:57:26,960
Speaker 3: out of that?

2614
01:57:27,040 --> 01:57:33,160
Speaker 1: Bitch? I mean, is that some gag thing?

2615
01:57:34,040 --> 01:57:36,240
Speaker 2: Yeah it is, Luke, I got I got gags all

2616
01:57:36,280 --> 01:57:38,560
Speaker 2: over the place, Luke, Okay, I mean I'm swimming in

2617
01:57:38,640 --> 01:57:40,520
Speaker 2: so much bullshit in this office. Luke.

2618
01:57:40,600 --> 01:57:42,960
Speaker 1: Right, your house is like a shittier version of Pee

2619
01:57:42,960 --> 01:57:43,680
Speaker 1: Wee's Playhouse.

2620
01:57:44,920 --> 01:57:49,360
Speaker 2: It really is, Luke, it is. It's great. Yeah, it's fantastic.

2621
01:57:49,800 --> 01:57:53,160
Speaker 1: Your chairs, your chairs just absorbed fart stains. But his

2622
01:57:53,400 --> 01:58:00,520
Speaker 1: talked you know. All right. That's it for Brian Campbell

2623
01:58:00,720 --> 01:58:04,120
Speaker 1: who is just always promoting the brands, that's what he does.

2624
01:58:06,240 --> 01:58:06,960
Speaker 1: I'm Luke Thomas.

2625
01:58:07,000 --> 01:58:09,160
Speaker 3: Thanks to Malka, thanks to CBS Sports, thanks to Showtime,

2626
01:58:09,160 --> 01:58:11,120
Speaker 3: Thanks everyone who came out and said hi in Dallas

2627
01:58:11,200 --> 01:58:13,960
Speaker 3: or were a few, and thanks to Stack and Raul

2628
01:58:14,000 --> 01:58:15,560
Speaker 3: Marquez who did the wig In show with us. That

2629
01:58:15,640 --> 01:58:19,000
Speaker 3: was awesome as well. So big week in Dallas, but

2630
01:58:19,120 --> 01:58:20,920
Speaker 3: the month rolls on. We have so much to get

2631
01:58:20,920 --> 01:58:22,280
Speaker 3: to So thank you guys so much for watching it.

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Speaker 3: Until next time, may all of your gains be loyal