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Speaker 1: Kind of unique. He was kind of a dual role

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Speaker 1: player for you, Steve a blimp. We're not even in

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Speaker 1: the strated sphere of normalcy. Welcome to a Friday edition

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Speaker 1: of One Bills Live Chris Brown along with Maddie glab

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Speaker 1: Here on this Friday, Steve is on the road. He's

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Speaker 1: put to work, so he will not be in the

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Speaker 1: today and Monday. So that should be some fun here

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Speaker 1: as we get started and uh here on this Friday.

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Speaker 1: As everyone knows that listen or watches the show, it's

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Speaker 1: obil fan mail bag Friday. So Maddie and I through

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Speaker 1: the course at today's show will be answering a bunch

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Speaker 1: of questions. But I know that Maddie here in the

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Speaker 1: the team. Matty, Steve and I have been doing that

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Speaker 1: and I know you know you were in earlier in

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Speaker 1: the week as well. We barely got to touch on

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Speaker 1: linebackers yesterday, which was our plan, but then the Wenz

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Speaker 1: thing happened and the show went in a completely different

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Speaker 1: direction really quickly. But I wanted to bounce it off

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Speaker 1: you two because our Twitter poll yesterday was dealing with

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Speaker 1: the linebacker position and the tougher What is the tougher

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Speaker 1: decision or the tougher situation to handle, and the choices

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Speaker 1: we gave yesterday. We're resigning Matt Milano, replacing Matt Milano,

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Speaker 1: or an extension for Tremaine Edmonds. These are all things

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Speaker 1: that will have to be addressed in one way or

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Speaker 1: the other by this team, maybe not all in this offseason.

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Speaker 1: You can probably wait on Tremaine Edmonds if you feel

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Speaker 1: you need to, with the tight cap situation and everything.

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Speaker 1: But a lot of our fans were saying the toughest

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Speaker 1: thing to do would be to resign Milano because I

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Speaker 1: think everybody knows he's probably going to test the market

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Speaker 1: to see what his value is out there. And even

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Speaker 1: Brandon Bean said he understands that position, but I was

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Speaker 1: just curious where you kind of came down on that.

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Speaker 1: I think it would be tough to resign Milano, especially

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Speaker 1: if he tests the market. I mean, he is worth

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Speaker 1: a lot of money. He's proven that he's worth a

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Speaker 1: lot of money since he's came into the NFL and

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Speaker 1: really raked havoc on the Bills and on their defense

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Speaker 1: and what he's able to do against other teams. But

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Speaker 1: I think it would be equally as tough to replace Milano.

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Speaker 1: I just think about what he offers as a linebacker,

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Speaker 1: and how many linebackers can't offer some of those things

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Speaker 1: that he can based on his size and his athleticism,

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Speaker 1: what he's able to do, how he's able to line

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Speaker 1: up against so many different offensive players. I think that

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Speaker 1: would be tough to replace, at least in one season,

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Speaker 1: whether you're trying to replace that in the draft or

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Speaker 1: free agency. I think when you replace someone like Milano,

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Speaker 1: you may make it some aspects, but I think it

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Speaker 1: would be hard to get the whole package that Milano

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Speaker 1: was able to offer. I really like what he brings

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Speaker 1: to the Bills. I really like his chemistry and connection

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Speaker 1: with Tremaine Edmonds, another young player. I think what those

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Speaker 1: two have built together over the last couple of seasons,

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Speaker 1: I think it kind of mimics that of what Micah

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Speaker 1: Hyde and Jordan Poyer have going on. And I think

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Speaker 1: over time that's only gotten stronger between Hide and Poyer,

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Speaker 1: and it can only get stronger between Edmunds and Milano.

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Speaker 1: So if Milano is not on the team next year,

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Speaker 1: I'm a little bit worried for how that would impact

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Speaker 1: Tremaine Edmunds. I'm not saying Tremaine Edmunds is isn't a

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Speaker 1: good linebacker because he is amazing and is a complete

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Speaker 1: athlete with his physical makeup and what he can do

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Speaker 1: on the field and what he's shown leadership skill wise

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Speaker 1: this season. But I just really like the tandem between

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Speaker 1: the two of them. I wonder how it would change

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Speaker 1: if Milana wasn't on the field. Yeah, it would certainly.

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Speaker 1: It would mean he's got a new player to get

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Speaker 1: used to playing alongside, because you know, him and Milano

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Speaker 1: pretty much play one hundred percent of the snaps when

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Speaker 1: they're both healthy. I mean, they're out there all the time,

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Speaker 1: whether it's a rundown, pass, down coverage, whatever it is.

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Speaker 1: They're out there all the time together and have been

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Speaker 1: for the better part of the last three seasons. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: it'll undoubtedly be an adjustment for sure. I just think

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Speaker 1: he's gonna get paid. I hate to say it, I

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Speaker 1: just think he's gonna get paid. And unfortunately, I don't

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Speaker 1: think the Bills are going to be able to compete

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Speaker 1: with what he's going to command on the market. And

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Speaker 1: again we go back to this, they set a value

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Speaker 1: and just like they did with Jordan Phillips and Shack

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Speaker 1: Lawson last year, they set a value on what they'd

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Speaker 1: be willing to bring him back on in terms of

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Speaker 1: a contract number, and then once other teams jump in

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Speaker 1: and are willing to pay him through like Chack Lawson,

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Speaker 1: for example, is basically making ten million dollars a year

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Speaker 1: with the Miami Dolphins, and it was very clear that

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Speaker 1: the Bills were not going to get to that level

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Speaker 1: with a player like that, And that was only proven

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Speaker 1: all the more with the contracts that they signed defensive

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Speaker 1: lineman too in the offseason last year. They signed Mario

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Speaker 1: Addison for less than that, they signed Quentin Jefferson for

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Speaker 1: less than that, and they signed Vernon Butler for less

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Speaker 1: than that. So they were never gonna chase people with

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Speaker 1: more money. That's just not how they do it. Brandon

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Speaker 1: Bean knows the only way to stay capped strong is

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Speaker 1: to not grossly overpay for free agent talent. And so

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Speaker 1: I think they're going to establish a value for Matt

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Speaker 1: Milano if they haven't already, and if the free agent

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Speaker 1: market determines he's worth more than that, well they basically say, well, congratulations, Matt,

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Speaker 1: good on you, and we're going to have to part

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Speaker 1: ways here because we just can't afford to make that

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Speaker 1: kind of financial commitment, especially with the restrictive cap that

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Speaker 1: the Bills and every other team is under quite frankly,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean, I I want to see him

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Speaker 1: in a Bill's uniform next year. I'm just I just

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Speaker 1: kind of I'm reading the tea leaves here, and I

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Speaker 1: just I just don't see how they're going to be

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Speaker 1: able to make that happen. And it's unfortunate because they've

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Speaker 1: done a great job developing him here and buff because

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Speaker 1: I still remember from his rookie year, Maddie, he was

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Speaker 1: a guy that you know, his head was kind of

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Speaker 1: spinning a little bit, and he wasn't a full time

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Speaker 1: starter as a rookie. They wanted to try to test

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Speaker 1: him and throw him on the field here and there.

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Speaker 1: But Ramon Humber was here, a veteran player that they

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Speaker 1: signed away from New England, and he was the starter.

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Speaker 1: And eventually Matt got into the lineup more and more

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Speaker 1: in the second half of his rookie season, but he

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Speaker 1: wasn't a full time starter until his second year, and

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Speaker 1: then from there he kind of took off and has

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Speaker 1: been a borderline Pro Bowl player when he's healthy and

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Speaker 1: on the field. It's just my only fear, my deepest,

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Speaker 1: darkest fear, is that he winds up somewhere else in

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Speaker 1: the division, because that's just gonna make me, make me

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Speaker 1: nauseous if that happens. Yeah, please, I hope that does

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Speaker 1: not happen. And the early mock drafts that I've been tracking,

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Speaker 1: we've been mocked a linebacker a couple times, whether it's

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Speaker 1: in the first round or the second round of this draft.

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Speaker 1: So I think some people are anticipating that we can't

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Speaker 1: afford Matt Mulano, so we're going to go after a

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Speaker 1: linebacker in that first or second round based on what's

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Speaker 1: on the table. I've also seen some mock drafts have

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Speaker 1: us choosing corner or even trading Upford corner. So it'll

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Speaker 1: be interesting to see win freight free agency hits, how

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Speaker 1: we kind of fill some of those needs, and how

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Speaker 1: those mock drafts change based on what we still need

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Speaker 1: heading into the end of April draft. Yeah, and we'll

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Speaker 1: probably take a little time somewhere in today's show to

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Speaker 1: kind of work our way through some of those most

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Speaker 1: recent mock drafts, which we put up what is it

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Speaker 1: every Saturday on Buffalo Bills dot com. I believe we

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00:28:54,400 --> 00:28:56,240
Speaker 1: put up a new mock draft each and every week

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Speaker 1: where we pretty much gather what all the people out

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Speaker 1: there in cyberspace. Everybody's gonna mock draft these days, but

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Speaker 1: we try to pool them all together and give you

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Speaker 1: the Bills picks that they have in these mock drafts.

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Speaker 1: So it's like one stop shopping at Buffalo Bills dot

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Speaker 1: com on the mock drafts each and every week. So

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Speaker 1: Maddie and I'll dive into those at some point here

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Speaker 1: during the show. We're gonna step aside, take a break

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Speaker 1: right now, but when we come back, we're gonna open

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Speaker 1: the OBL fan mail bag get to some of your questions.

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Speaker 1: We'll do that next Here on One Bills Live, presented

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Speaker 1: by Kalid to Health, It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome back

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Speaker 1: to One Bills Live. Chris Brown, Maddi Glave here with

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Speaker 1: you on a Friday. Ob L fanmail bag is open

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Speaker 1: and we're gonna dive in right now and tweet sheet

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Speaker 1: moving company of the Buffalo Bills, and Nick is leading

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Speaker 1: us off today here Maddie. He says, if the cap

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Speaker 1: limit was supposed to be two hundred plus million, but

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Speaker 1: will be lower due to COVID. Does that mean that

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Speaker 1: after this year it will immediately jump back up to

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Speaker 1: two hundred plus million where it should be, or will

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Speaker 1: we have to slowly work our way back up to

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Speaker 1: that point over multiple years. This is actually a good question.

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Speaker 1: I was just reading some stuff about this the other day, Maddie.

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Speaker 1: They were saying that these TV deals that they're trying

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Speaker 1: to get done now, initially what they were going to

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Speaker 1: do was spike the cap this year, knowing it was

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Speaker 1: going to be lower with that revenue, and then they

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Speaker 1: decided against that, and they're going to gradually pump money

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Speaker 1: in from the new TV deals over the next several years.

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Speaker 1: But I would believe, provided there are fans back in

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Speaker 1: the stands at full capacity next fall fingers crossed, that

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Speaker 1: the number will get back to where it's supposed to

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Speaker 1: be next year. I think just naturally that's going to happen.

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Speaker 1: I don't know if we've got many. It must have

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Speaker 1: been Monday or Tuesday, and he said that we'll start

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Speaker 1: to see that TV deal money. He said, of course,

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Speaker 1: it's going to gradually increase over the next couple seasons,

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Speaker 1: but his anticipation was, we're really going to see that

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Speaker 1: jump from the TV deal and from fans being back

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Speaker 1: in the stands in like twenty twenty four. He said

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Speaker 1: he thinks that will be the first year that it's

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Speaker 1: really gonna jump from what we're seeing this year and

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Speaker 1: from what we will see in the next couple of seasons.

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Speaker 1: So I thought that was a little bit interesting to

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Speaker 1: know that it's going to take a couple of years

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Speaker 1: for it to really spike with that new deal. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: because on average it's been going up like ten to

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00:31:40,880 --> 00:31:43,520
Speaker 1: twelve million, give or take, every year, and that's why

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Speaker 1: a lot of general managers and NFL front offices had

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Speaker 1: projected somewhere between two ten and two fifteen this year

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Speaker 1: before the pandemic hit and wrecked everything. But yeah, I mean,

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Speaker 1: I think it's going to go up again. And I

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Speaker 1: think you also think about the fact that there's an

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Speaker 1: extra game that's going to be played with seventeen game

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Speaker 1: schedule this year coming in and you're hacking off a

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Speaker 1: preseason game. The revenue for the extra regular season game

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Speaker 1: from a fan ticketing perspective, is going to drive revenues up,

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Speaker 1: you know, again, provided fans are in the stands. Boy,

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Speaker 1: I can't believe we're still We're still talking to Wonder

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Speaker 1: and well there might be fans. Well we don't know,

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Speaker 1: we hope, So so yeah, I mean, I think the

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Speaker 1: wide anticipation is there will be fans, revenue should go up,

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Speaker 1: So yeah, and you're right to a certain extent, Nick,

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Speaker 1: it will. It will go up gradually. As Maddie pointed

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Speaker 1: out after you guys were talking to Joel Corey earlier

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Speaker 1: in the week, I think that's what you're talking about.

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Speaker 1: So yeah, but yeah, I think onward and upward that

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Speaker 1: the cap has only gone down twice ever in the

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Speaker 1: history of the league, and one was this year and

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Speaker 1: the other was the lockout year in twenty eleven. So

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Speaker 1: a pretty extreme set of circumstances has to take place

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Speaker 1: for the captor go in the other direction from David,

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00:33:01,440 --> 00:33:05,760
Speaker 1: he says, how much improvement can we realistically expect from

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00:33:05,880 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 1: our pass rush and our running game. It feels like

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00:33:09,080 --> 00:33:12,040
Speaker 1: we need to do much better on both sides of

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Speaker 1: the line if we want to have a real shot

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Speaker 1: to win it all. Why don't you take that one, Manny?

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Speaker 1: How do you feel about that one? I think expectation

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Speaker 1: based on what we were given this past season, we

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Speaker 1: want to expect that it's going to take a big jump.

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Speaker 1: And what I mean what we were given this past season,

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Speaker 1: I think as Bills fans and us covering the team,

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00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:35,280
Speaker 1: we were expecting to see Josh Allen take a jump,

647
00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:37,640
Speaker 1: and we were expecting to see the passing game take

648
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:41,200
Speaker 1: a jump. We saw that take a leap like the

649
00:33:41,240 --> 00:33:45,239
Speaker 1: biggest jump ever known to mankind. And based on what

650
00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:48,200
Speaker 1: we received, I want to say it's going to take

651
00:33:48,200 --> 00:33:51,920
Speaker 1: another big leap. But I think you talk about the

652
00:33:52,000 --> 00:33:54,640
Speaker 1: law of averages a lot. I don't think we're going

653
00:33:54,720 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: to get a leap that we got from Josh Allen

654
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 1: in the passing game, in the running game and past rush.

655
00:34:01,040 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 1: I do think it will improve. I mean, let's be realistic.

656
00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,960
Speaker 1: It has to improve if the Bills want to make

657
00:34:07,000 --> 00:34:10,680
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl run. The run game wasn't able to

658
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:12,880
Speaker 1: get going when we needed it to get going. I

659
00:34:12,920 --> 00:34:15,120
Speaker 1: think you need a balanced team to be able to

660
00:34:15,160 --> 00:34:17,279
Speaker 1: make it deep into the playoffs. This team was not

661
00:34:17,400 --> 00:34:21,360
Speaker 1: balanced enough in the run game and in using different

662
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:24,600
Speaker 1: offensive pieces like they're tight ends that was kind of

663
00:34:24,640 --> 00:34:28,200
Speaker 1: non existent in this offense last year. As well. And

664
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:31,040
Speaker 1: I think the past rush, we brought so many new

665
00:34:31,080 --> 00:34:34,239
Speaker 1: faces in. We had a new defensive line coach, we

666
00:34:34,280 --> 00:34:39,239
Speaker 1: had a new assistant defensive line coach, and unfortunately, it

667
00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,280
Speaker 1: took basically the entire season to kind of get going,

668
00:34:42,600 --> 00:34:45,600
Speaker 1: or to really the middle part of the season to

669
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:50,920
Speaker 1: week week ten, week eight, around that areas when we

670
00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,520
Speaker 1: saw that groups start to mesh and it didn't pay off.

671
00:34:54,560 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: How I think Brandon and Sean wanted it to pay

672
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:01,480
Speaker 1: off when you invest that much money in a defensive line,

673
00:35:01,560 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 1: so hopefully it can get better. I think you need

674
00:35:04,239 --> 00:35:07,520
Speaker 1: an edge rusher. You need a defensive end who who

675
00:35:07,560 --> 00:35:12,800
Speaker 1: can be a game stopper, who can be a ball hawk,

676
00:35:12,800 --> 00:35:15,160
Speaker 1: who can take on the double teams, so that Jerry

677
00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,040
Speaker 1: Hughes can work, or to kind of share the load

678
00:35:18,080 --> 00:35:22,080
Speaker 1: with Jerry Hughes so we can see improvement. I don't

679
00:35:22,120 --> 00:35:26,160
Speaker 1: know how much based on what we can afford. Also, well, right,

680
00:35:26,239 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 1: I think the run game you can kind of fix

681
00:35:28,080 --> 00:35:31,360
Speaker 1: more eternal internally than you can the pass rush. I

682
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:34,480
Speaker 1: think the pass rush requires another player. I think the

683
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:38,160
Speaker 1: run game doesn't necessarily require another running back. I think

684
00:35:38,160 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 1: we have the pieces. It may require another offensive lineman

685
00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:44,040
Speaker 1: who can be a good run blocker. I don't do

686
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: you share that, Dweller, or are you thinking otherwise? No,

687
00:35:47,840 --> 00:35:49,360
Speaker 1: I think you do have to add a piece on

688
00:35:49,400 --> 00:35:51,359
Speaker 1: the defensive line. I don't think there's a there's any

689
00:35:51,400 --> 00:35:53,640
Speaker 1: question about that. You'll need a difference maker there, and

690
00:35:53,680 --> 00:35:56,480
Speaker 1: a difference maker comes at a premium. And unfortunately, Maddie,

691
00:35:56,520 --> 00:36:00,279
Speaker 1: when with six of the top eleven salary is on

692
00:36:00,280 --> 00:36:04,279
Speaker 1: this roster belonging to defensive lineman, I think they're going

693
00:36:04,360 --> 00:36:07,439
Speaker 1: to have to subtract there to afford to add there,

694
00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,239
Speaker 1: if you know what I'm saying, Because you're already so

695
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:13,520
Speaker 1: heavily invested at that position defensive tackle, end, defensive end,

696
00:36:13,920 --> 00:36:17,160
Speaker 1: that to justify investing there again to try to make

697
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,640
Speaker 1: it better, I think you got to subtract somewhere, whether

698
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:23,440
Speaker 1: it's one or maybe two players that you have to

699
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,279
Speaker 1: pull off of the group that you have now to

700
00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:28,560
Speaker 1: try to make it better with some new addition, whether

701
00:36:28,560 --> 00:36:32,400
Speaker 1: it's J. J. Watt or somebody else, some proven veteran

702
00:36:32,440 --> 00:36:33,879
Speaker 1: that you know is going to be able to make

703
00:36:33,960 --> 00:36:37,600
Speaker 1: more plays for you to neutralize an opponent's passing game

704
00:36:37,920 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: by getting heat on the quarterback. So that's that. I

705
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: don't think that's a lot to do, but it's got

706
00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:47,319
Speaker 1: to be the right move. If it's gonna be one

707
00:36:47,360 --> 00:36:50,400
Speaker 1: guy that one guy's gotta hit, you gotta hit on

708
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: that guy in a big way, you know, similar to

709
00:36:54,800 --> 00:36:57,960
Speaker 1: the Stefan Digg's trade. I mean that was they hit

710
00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,360
Speaker 1: on that in a gigantic way, and you saw what

711
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 1: it did for the offense. They got to hit on

712
00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,239
Speaker 1: that defensive player, maybe not to quite that degree, but

713
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:09,680
Speaker 1: pretty dawn close to get to get to that next

714
00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,280
Speaker 1: level that they need to from a pass rush perspective

715
00:37:12,280 --> 00:37:14,520
Speaker 1: as a defensive line. And then as far as the

716
00:37:14,600 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: running game, I really I think we can read between

717
00:37:18,320 --> 00:37:21,440
Speaker 1: the lines of Brandon Bean's comments at the end of

718
00:37:21,440 --> 00:37:25,080
Speaker 1: the season when he made it clear and made a

719
00:37:25,160 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: point of saying he doesn't put the run game struggles

720
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: on Zach Moss and Devin Singletary necessarily would he wanted

721
00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:35,799
Speaker 1: to make it clear that he didn't think there was

722
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,959
Speaker 1: a problem with their running backs, But the run game

723
00:37:39,080 --> 00:37:43,040
Speaker 1: as a whole, I think, both schematically and in terms

724
00:37:43,040 --> 00:37:46,239
Speaker 1: of what they were getting up front was not to

725
00:37:46,640 --> 00:37:49,960
Speaker 1: the level that they thought it should be. And so

726
00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: how do you go about fixing that well, you can

727
00:37:51,960 --> 00:37:54,839
Speaker 1: do certain things with schematics and the coaching staff kind

728
00:37:54,840 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 1: of drawing things up maybe a little bit differently, whether

729
00:37:57,200 --> 00:37:59,120
Speaker 1: you're going to commit to a gap schame or his

730
00:37:59,160 --> 00:38:01,759
Speaker 1: own scheme or what ever it is, or even it's

731
00:38:01,760 --> 00:38:06,600
Speaker 1: a mix of both perhaps. And then secondarily, I think

732
00:38:06,640 --> 00:38:11,520
Speaker 1: it's deciding, especially with four what is it five free

733
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:15,360
Speaker 1: agents if you count Ike Butcker as a restricted five

734
00:38:15,400 --> 00:38:17,920
Speaker 1: free agents on the offensive line, who are you keeping

735
00:38:18,600 --> 00:38:21,080
Speaker 1: and where are you looking to improve? Can you do

736
00:38:21,120 --> 00:38:23,120
Speaker 1: that in the draft? Do you need a free agent?

737
00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:26,960
Speaker 1: How many can you afford to bring back? All of

738
00:38:27,000 --> 00:38:29,600
Speaker 1: that is going to be, you know, thrown in the pot,

739
00:38:30,160 --> 00:38:33,279
Speaker 1: and you're hopefully making a much better stew this fall

740
00:38:33,280 --> 00:38:36,120
Speaker 1: than you did last year when the run game really

741
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 1: was a struggle. And I understand where David's coming from.

742
00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:43,279
Speaker 1: It sounds like a lot, but I think it's going

743
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,839
Speaker 1: to be people in, people out on the lines more

744
00:38:46,880 --> 00:38:49,319
Speaker 1: than anything else. With respect to the run game. I mean,

745
00:38:49,440 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 1: maybe they add, you know, another young running back, Maybe

746
00:38:53,719 --> 00:38:56,439
Speaker 1: they add some veteran to play a third down role.

747
00:38:56,520 --> 00:38:59,600
Speaker 1: Maybe they try to add speed to the position, because

748
00:38:59,600 --> 00:39:02,000
Speaker 1: we can't forget Taiwan Jones as a free agent, and

749
00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:04,200
Speaker 1: I know he never really lined up at running back

750
00:39:04,280 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: all that much. He was mostly special teams. But that

751
00:39:06,800 --> 00:39:09,000
Speaker 1: could be a subtraction, and maybe you add a guy

752
00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:13,280
Speaker 1: that's more running back, more of a running back participator.

753
00:39:13,320 --> 00:39:16,719
Speaker 1: But we'll just have to wait and see, because all

754
00:39:16,719 --> 00:39:21,520
Speaker 1: these decisions are I really I think the thing that

755
00:39:21,640 --> 00:39:27,080
Speaker 1: I'm wrestling with the most here, Maddie is I know

756
00:39:27,120 --> 00:39:28,719
Speaker 1: that Brandon means that they're not going to make any

757
00:39:28,719 --> 00:39:30,840
Speaker 1: big splashes. I think he knows he's got a to

758
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: do list that has to be addressed. So how does

759
00:39:32,719 --> 00:39:35,680
Speaker 1: he navigate that to do list while also trying to

760
00:39:35,680 --> 00:39:38,319
Speaker 1: stay under what is a very tight cap. I think

761
00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:40,719
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to restructure some contracts. They may have

762
00:39:40,760 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: to say goodbye to some people that are still under

763
00:39:42,600 --> 00:39:44,840
Speaker 1: contract to create the room necessary to get done what

764
00:39:44,880 --> 00:39:48,959
Speaker 1: they need to get done. I think saying that we're

765
00:39:49,560 --> 00:39:52,560
Speaker 1: not gonna do anything big in free agency was just

766
00:39:52,920 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of a smoke screen. Well, you think

767
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:57,919
Speaker 1: he's still going to do something big if I think

768
00:39:57,920 --> 00:40:00,720
Speaker 1: he could be, if there's a player on the table

769
00:40:00,840 --> 00:40:03,200
Speaker 1: like j J. Watt or some other big name that

770
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:07,120
Speaker 1: they think could help them win. Now, which, let's be honest,

771
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,160
Speaker 1: that's what this team is trying to do with the

772
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:12,399
Speaker 1: roster that they have is whin now. When this year

773
00:40:12,480 --> 00:40:15,440
Speaker 1: win next year, you you have a shelf life of

774
00:40:15,840 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: a few years with these young players whose contracts don't

775
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,040
Speaker 1: need to be renegotiated or resigned. Yet you have your

776
00:40:23,040 --> 00:40:25,279
Speaker 1: core group here. You want to take advantage of that

777
00:40:25,360 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 1: and make a run for the super Bowl, and make

778
00:40:27,160 --> 00:40:29,480
Speaker 1: a run for winning the super Bowl. If there's someone

779
00:40:29,800 --> 00:40:33,319
Speaker 1: who becomes available, who asks for a trade and gets

780
00:40:33,320 --> 00:40:35,719
Speaker 1: to granted a trade, or asks to be released and

781
00:40:36,040 --> 00:40:40,000
Speaker 1: gets granted that release, they're not gonna not go after

782
00:40:40,120 --> 00:40:46,919
Speaker 1: him just because the money issue for everybody. But they'll

783
00:40:46,920 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 1: find a way to make it work. If they need

784
00:40:48,800 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: to find a way to make it work. Yeah, and

785
00:40:51,000 --> 00:40:53,200
Speaker 1: they're gonna have to get creative, which he said also,

786
00:40:54,360 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: and I would fully anticipate if if they feel it's

787
00:40:57,440 --> 00:40:59,759
Speaker 1: it's a difference maker that can get them over the hump,

788
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:01,719
Speaker 1: they're gonna find a way to do it, whether it's

789
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: parting with people under contract, restructuring people under contract, some

790
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:09,399
Speaker 1: way somehow. He'll be dead set on getting it done.

791
00:41:09,719 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: Break time for us when we come back more of

792
00:41:11,640 --> 00:41:15,759
Speaker 1: your comments and questions from the OBL fanmail bag. We'll

793
00:41:15,800 --> 00:41:17,920
Speaker 1: get to those when we return here on One Bills Live,

794
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:31,840
Speaker 1: presented by Collid to Health. It's Buffalo Bills Radio. Welcome

795
00:41:31,880 --> 00:41:34,160
Speaker 1: back to One Bills Live. Chris Brown, Maddy Glab with

796
00:41:34,239 --> 00:41:36,920
Speaker 1: you here on a Friday edition of the show, and

797
00:41:37,000 --> 00:41:39,400
Speaker 1: we will get back to the OBIL fanmail bag in

798
00:41:39,520 --> 00:41:42,920
Speaker 1: due time. We did want to take some time in

799
00:41:42,920 --> 00:41:48,440
Speaker 1: this short segment here to discuss the top five defensive

800
00:41:48,480 --> 00:41:52,480
Speaker 1: plays of twenty twenty, which appeared on Buffalo Bills dot

801
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:56,160
Speaker 1: Com earlier this week. And I know you and Steve

802
00:41:56,480 --> 00:41:58,920
Speaker 1: had a blast dicing up the top five plays that

803
00:41:58,920 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: were put up for Josh Allen. You went Siskel and

804
00:42:01,920 --> 00:42:04,920
Speaker 1: Ebert on that one for sure earlier in the week,

805
00:42:05,920 --> 00:42:10,120
Speaker 1: and deservedly so. But this is a pretty good list,

806
00:42:10,280 --> 00:42:13,840
Speaker 1: I will say, of the top five defensive plays of

807
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: twenty twenty, although I have a couple that I think

808
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:19,359
Speaker 1: you can at least make a case for. Were you

809
00:42:19,640 --> 00:42:24,680
Speaker 1: overall pretty good with this list as as it's currently constituted.

810
00:42:26,360 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 1: I'm overall so kosher with this list. I think it's

811
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,279
Speaker 1: a good list. When we were going through Josh Allen's list,

812
00:42:33,320 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 1: I remember just looking at the five and I was like,

813
00:42:36,200 --> 00:42:39,440
Speaker 1: when did he do that? I can't remember that and

814
00:42:39,480 --> 00:42:43,560
Speaker 1: that should not be the case, yea. And as I'm

815
00:42:43,560 --> 00:42:45,520
Speaker 1: looking at all these five, I'm like, oh, yeah, I

816
00:42:45,560 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: remember this one. That was awesome. They came most of

817
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 1: them came at pivotal moments in the game. So I'm

818
00:42:51,520 --> 00:42:53,520
Speaker 1: a fan of this list. Way to go to our

819
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:57,960
Speaker 1: video department. Yeah, and I think they nailed the top

820
00:42:58,000 --> 00:43:01,720
Speaker 1: two with Jerry hugh fumble recovery for a touchdown against

821
00:43:01,719 --> 00:43:05,359
Speaker 1: the Broncos in the afc AFC East title clinching game

822
00:43:05,400 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 1: in Week fifteen, and then obviously the Terren Johnson pick

823
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:11,560
Speaker 1: six against the Ravens in the playoffs. Those are two

824
00:43:11,600 --> 00:43:13,279
Speaker 1: plays that are pretty tough to beat, and they came

825
00:43:13,320 --> 00:43:17,600
Speaker 1: in games that everybody remembers really well because of the

826
00:43:17,640 --> 00:43:21,080
Speaker 1: stakes that were involved in those games. I think one

827
00:43:21,160 --> 00:43:23,120
Speaker 1: play that's on this list, and I know why it's

828
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:25,239
Speaker 1: not because Terren's already on it, But you could make

829
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:28,480
Speaker 1: a case for Terren's fifty one yard interception return against

830
00:43:28,520 --> 00:43:32,839
Speaker 1: the Steelers that essentially put that game away too. If

831
00:43:32,880 --> 00:43:35,000
Speaker 1: you think about it. In the Sunday night game against

832
00:43:35,040 --> 00:43:39,000
Speaker 1: the Steelers, that was a huge turning point in that game.

833
00:43:39,760 --> 00:43:42,280
Speaker 1: So Tarn could have made a case to appear twice

834
00:43:42,320 --> 00:43:45,279
Speaker 1: on this list if you think about it, I think

835
00:43:45,280 --> 00:43:47,640
Speaker 1: Tarren Johnson should have gotten a one A and a

836
00:43:47,719 --> 00:43:53,920
Speaker 1: one BAT because both of those pick sixes were truly amazing.

837
00:43:54,080 --> 00:43:57,120
Speaker 1: It's something that a player doesn't get to say they've

838
00:43:57,160 --> 00:44:00,319
Speaker 1: had two of those in a season. I mean, how

839
00:44:00,440 --> 00:44:03,200
Speaker 1: unique is that. That doesn't happen all the time. But

840
00:44:03,360 --> 00:44:06,160
Speaker 1: a lot of these other plays are deservedly so in

841
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,720
Speaker 1: the top five. But Tarn Johnson had quite a season

842
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:12,959
Speaker 1: after he was benched in that game and came back.

843
00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:15,320
Speaker 1: I can't remember what game he was benched in, Brownie,

844
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,359
Speaker 1: I know, I know you'll remember it. But as soon

845
00:44:17,400 --> 00:44:20,239
Speaker 1: as he was able to come back, he started to

846
00:44:20,800 --> 00:44:25,080
Speaker 1: clawback and make some really big plays for the Bills. Yeah,

847
00:44:25,120 --> 00:44:28,840
Speaker 1: it was Week six against the Chiefs that he got benched,

848
00:44:28,920 --> 00:44:31,320
Speaker 1: and then Cam Lewis, who replaced him in the lineup,

849
00:44:32,360 --> 00:44:35,080
Speaker 1: busted his wrist and was lost for the season. And

850
00:44:35,120 --> 00:44:36,880
Speaker 1: so it wasn't even a quarter into the game and

851
00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:39,799
Speaker 1: Taren was already back in the lineup and he made

852
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:41,680
Speaker 1: to his credit, he made the most of that second

853
00:44:41,680 --> 00:44:47,840
Speaker 1: opportunity the only other defensive play that I would strongly

854
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:53,200
Speaker 1: consider Week four against the Raiders, and you remember the

855
00:44:53,239 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: defense got those three big stops at the end in

856
00:44:56,200 --> 00:44:59,000
Speaker 1: the fourth quarter, Josh Norman punches the ball out for

857
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:03,160
Speaker 1: a fumble, recovers it himself, and then there was a

858
00:45:03,200 --> 00:45:06,719
Speaker 1: fourth down stop by Ed Oliver, turnover on downs, and

859
00:45:06,760 --> 00:45:13,960
Speaker 1: then the sack strip fumble by Quinton Jefferson basically sealed

860
00:45:14,000 --> 00:45:16,200
Speaker 1: the game. So that was kind of I mean, the

861
00:45:16,280 --> 00:45:18,640
Speaker 1: Josh Norman play was a good individual play in its

862
00:45:18,680 --> 00:45:21,080
Speaker 1: own right, but I think the Quinton Jefferson one that

863
00:45:21,120 --> 00:45:23,080
Speaker 1: pretty much put the final nail on the coffin on

864
00:45:23,120 --> 00:45:26,239
Speaker 1: that game, which was still a one score game. I

865
00:45:26,280 --> 00:45:29,560
Speaker 1: thought the Quintin Jefferson play was one that stood out.

866
00:45:29,640 --> 00:45:32,080
Speaker 1: And you know those big defensive lineman, you know, not

867
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,120
Speaker 1: the ends, the big defensive lineman that'll get a lot

868
00:45:34,120 --> 00:45:36,319
Speaker 1: of attention. So I was figuring, Nah, you can make

869
00:45:36,320 --> 00:45:38,200
Speaker 1: a case for that. Although Justin Zimmer is on the

870
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: list another defensive tackle and deservedly so for his play

871
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,960
Speaker 1: against the Patriots, but I thought Quintin Jefferson could have

872
00:45:45,000 --> 00:45:46,640
Speaker 1: got some love there. That was the only other guy

873
00:45:46,640 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: I considered, And now I'm thinking we had a couple

874
00:45:50,680 --> 00:45:53,480
Speaker 1: goal line stands during the season. Yeah, I feel like

875
00:45:53,520 --> 00:45:56,080
Speaker 1: we had at least one. Maybe those should have been

876
00:45:56,160 --> 00:45:58,160
Speaker 1: in the mix two. Now that and now that you're

877
00:45:58,160 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: talking about interior defense of linemen and a series of

878
00:46:01,640 --> 00:46:04,880
Speaker 1: plays together that made an impact, I'm thinking about a

879
00:46:04,880 --> 00:46:07,360
Speaker 1: couple of those goal line stands that the defense hadn't

880
00:46:07,400 --> 00:46:09,960
Speaker 1: and maybe those deserved to be on the list too.

881
00:46:10,160 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: I think for all of these it's really hard to

882
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,879
Speaker 1: get a top five. You almost need a top ten,

883
00:46:15,120 --> 00:46:18,160
Speaker 1: or I don't. You don't see top seven or Top aids.

884
00:46:18,239 --> 00:46:21,000
Speaker 1: But you could easily expand some of these into top

885
00:46:21,040 --> 00:46:24,120
Speaker 1: tens because there are so many good plays that you

886
00:46:24,200 --> 00:46:27,200
Speaker 1: have to think about factor into the equation and figuring

887
00:46:27,200 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: out what you well, you need to eliminate what stays.

888
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: And then of course it's probably the editor a little bit.

889
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:37,360
Speaker 1: They like some other plays than ones we're talking about. Maybe.

890
00:46:37,480 --> 00:46:41,080
Speaker 1: So yeah, and once you said goal line stand, you

891
00:46:41,080 --> 00:46:43,600
Speaker 1: immediately had got my wheels turning in my head. So

892
00:46:43,640 --> 00:46:46,200
Speaker 1: I know Arizona was one game where they had the

893
00:46:46,239 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 1: goal line stand, and there was another, but that one

894
00:46:50,280 --> 00:46:52,160
Speaker 1: I'm not good enough to remember both of them. I

895
00:46:52,160 --> 00:46:54,279
Speaker 1: remember someone of being one. I can't remember the other

896
00:46:54,280 --> 00:46:55,759
Speaker 1: for the life of me. I think it was later

897
00:46:55,800 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 1: in the season though, down towards the end of the season.

898
00:46:58,920 --> 00:47:00,520
Speaker 1: I can't remember which game for the life of me,

899
00:47:00,600 --> 00:47:02,920
Speaker 1: but I'm sure someone will tweet in and let us know.

900
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:07,680
Speaker 1: The Justin Zimmer play put that kid on the map

901
00:47:07,920 --> 00:47:11,800
Speaker 1: really quick. You know, a virtual unknown on the roster.

902
00:47:12,040 --> 00:47:13,920
Speaker 1: You know, your average fan didn't know who he was,

903
00:47:13,960 --> 00:47:15,920
Speaker 1: and he makes the biggest play in that game. Because

904
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,360
Speaker 1: he doesn't make that play, Maddie, you could argue the

905
00:47:19,400 --> 00:47:21,879
Speaker 1: Bills are in danger of losing that game or at

906
00:47:21,880 --> 00:47:24,120
Speaker 1: the very least giving up a game tying field goal

907
00:47:24,120 --> 00:47:27,040
Speaker 1: because it's twenty four twenty one there under a minute

908
00:47:27,040 --> 00:47:31,680
Speaker 1: to play and they're in the red zone. That play,

909
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:35,799
Speaker 1: to me was just poetic justice. I mean, that was

910
00:47:35,920 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: the game ceiling play to win that game. I think

911
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,439
Speaker 1: for the Buffalo Bills. Like you said, if that play

912
00:47:42,480 --> 00:47:47,839
Speaker 1: doesn't happen, the Patriots has an easy opportunity to go

913
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 1: up and to win the game. But I think that

914
00:47:51,000 --> 00:47:55,000
Speaker 1: play was ideal to winning that game. I think it

915
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 1: was the monkey off the back for this team and

916
00:47:58,080 --> 00:48:01,680
Speaker 1: finally beating the Patriots and doing it in a close

917
00:48:01,760 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 1: game to then where they face them again. It wasn't

918
00:48:04,560 --> 00:48:07,200
Speaker 1: as nerve racking because we already had one win in

919
00:48:07,239 --> 00:48:10,160
Speaker 1: the bag. So I love that it was also Justin

920
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:13,920
Speaker 1: Zimmer and Dean Marlowe who forced that ball out or

921
00:48:13,960 --> 00:48:17,239
Speaker 1: who Dean Marlowe fell on the ball. I think it

922
00:48:17,400 --> 00:48:21,960
Speaker 1: being two guys who are non starters is also just perfect. Yeah,

923
00:48:21,960 --> 00:48:25,280
Speaker 1: no question break time for us here. But when Maddie

924
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:27,640
Speaker 1: and I return for our number two of the show,

925
00:48:28,000 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: we'll probably get into a little bit of cornerback defensive

926
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,400
Speaker 1: back talk as we continue our position by position breakdown.

927
00:48:34,680 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: There's some decisions to be made there as well, because

928
00:48:38,160 --> 00:48:41,200
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace is a restricted free agent. Does he come

929
00:48:41,239 --> 00:48:44,440
Speaker 1: back and reassume the number two cornerback role, does Dan

930
00:48:44,640 --> 00:48:48,319
Speaker 1: Jackson way into the competition going forward, or do they

931
00:48:48,360 --> 00:48:51,920
Speaker 1: try to find yet again another veteran free agent to

932
00:48:52,000 --> 00:48:53,920
Speaker 1: plug in on a one year deal like they did

933
00:48:53,920 --> 00:48:56,920
Speaker 1: with Kevin Johnson and Josh Norman. Those things will be

934
00:48:56,920 --> 00:48:59,480
Speaker 1: discussed when we return here on One Bill's Live presented

935
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:19,200
Speaker 1: by Kalida Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio at a Steve

936
00:49:19,480 --> 00:49:22,360
Speaker 1: Tasker who has been all over the fields. Kind of

937
00:49:22,440 --> 00:49:24,239
Speaker 1: unique he was kind of a dual role player for

938
00:49:24,360 --> 00:49:30,279
Speaker 1: you state a stave, a blimp. We're not even in

939
00:49:30,320 --> 00:49:36,040
Speaker 1: the strated beer of normalcy. We don't strive to be

940
00:49:36,120 --> 00:49:39,120
Speaker 1: normal on this show, One Bill's Live Friday Edition, Chris Brown,

941
00:49:39,160 --> 00:49:42,560
Speaker 1: Maddie glab with you, and we're gonna take this opportunity

942
00:49:42,680 --> 00:49:44,799
Speaker 1: here in the second hour of the show to kind

943
00:49:44,800 --> 00:49:48,960
Speaker 1: of dice up the defensive back position for the Bills

944
00:49:49,000 --> 00:49:51,440
Speaker 1: as they head into the twenty twenty one offseason. Here

945
00:49:52,080 --> 00:49:56,480
Speaker 1: and obviously we know the pending free agent defensive backs,

946
00:49:56,480 --> 00:49:58,640
Speaker 1: and you're welcome to join this discussion, by the way,

947
00:49:58,640 --> 00:50:02,319
Speaker 1: at eight five fifty fifty two five fifty if you

948
00:50:02,360 --> 00:50:04,480
Speaker 1: have a question about what you think the Bills might

949
00:50:04,560 --> 00:50:07,279
Speaker 1: do at defensive back here in the off season, or

950
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,839
Speaker 1: if you have some suggestions, we'll take those as well.

951
00:50:10,160 --> 00:50:13,160
Speaker 1: Open line for you at eight oh three five fifty.

952
00:50:13,200 --> 00:50:15,960
Speaker 1: But depending free agents. Josh Norman, as we know, who

953
00:50:16,040 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: signed on a one year deal last year at this time. E. J.

954
00:50:19,960 --> 00:50:24,160
Speaker 1: Gaines is a guy who opted out and is coming back.

955
00:50:24,680 --> 00:50:26,920
Speaker 1: And I think he's a guy that's that's very often

956
00:50:27,000 --> 00:50:31,400
Speaker 1: forgotten in the equation with respect to the Bills. And

957
00:50:31,440 --> 00:50:35,879
Speaker 1: then leave Wallace the restricted free agent, So that's kind

958
00:50:35,880 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 1: of what you're looking at in terms of who could

959
00:50:37,800 --> 00:50:41,400
Speaker 1: be headed to the market. Obviously, the Bills could tender

960
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:45,920
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace if they consider him, though Maddie, to be

961
00:50:46,040 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: someone they really want back in the Fold. They're probably

962
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:52,280
Speaker 1: going to have to tender him at a higher level

963
00:50:52,360 --> 00:50:57,239
Speaker 1: than the regular tender because that would not accompany any

964
00:50:57,320 --> 00:51:00,880
Speaker 1: draft pick compensation if he was signed away an offer sheet,

965
00:51:00,920 --> 00:51:04,560
Speaker 1: because as we know, he was an undrafted player. So

966
00:51:04,960 --> 00:51:07,680
Speaker 1: I think I would anticipate if they want Levi back,

967
00:51:08,239 --> 00:51:11,240
Speaker 1: they do it in the form of probably a multi

968
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:15,200
Speaker 1: year deal, two years, maybe three years, at presumably less

969
00:51:15,239 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 1: money than that second round tender, which can get kind

970
00:51:17,400 --> 00:51:20,200
Speaker 1: of expensive. So be interesting to see where they come

971
00:51:20,239 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: down on that. I don't know if you have any

972
00:51:23,920 --> 00:51:27,480
Speaker 1: any opinions on Levi and wanting him back in the Fold.

973
00:51:28,960 --> 00:51:31,640
Speaker 1: You know, because Josh Norman is a free agent, I

974
00:51:31,800 --> 00:51:34,080
Speaker 1: don't anticipate they're going to bring him back as a

975
00:51:34,120 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: thirty three year old. Where do you sit on Levi?

976
00:51:38,960 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: I'm a fan of Levi. I know he's not your

977
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:46,400
Speaker 1: ideal opposite corner of Tredavious White, but every time that

978
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:51,239
Speaker 1: Levi has been given competition, and when Kevin Johnson came in,

979
00:51:51,280 --> 00:51:54,279
Speaker 1: and when Josh Norman came in, Levi Wallace has won

980
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:57,440
Speaker 1: the battle every year. You could say this past year's

981
00:51:57,440 --> 00:52:01,520
Speaker 1: battle was a little bit different because Josh was ridden

982
00:52:01,560 --> 00:52:04,800
Speaker 1: with injuries during training camp and and kind of struggled

983
00:52:04,800 --> 00:52:07,200
Speaker 1: through the season on and off with injuries, and then

984
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:09,719
Speaker 1: was put on the COVID nineteen lists and was out

985
00:52:09,760 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 1: for some time because of that. So I don't think

986
00:52:12,360 --> 00:52:15,880
Speaker 1: Josh Norman necessarily got his fair shot at earning that

987
00:52:15,960 --> 00:52:19,040
Speaker 1: job because he had those injuries. But that's what comes

988
00:52:19,040 --> 00:52:21,640
Speaker 1: along with being an older player in the NFL, being

989
00:52:21,680 --> 00:52:27,120
Speaker 1: a veteran those later years, you do get injuries more

990
00:52:27,200 --> 00:52:30,040
Speaker 1: often than your earlier years in the NFL. But every

991
00:52:30,080 --> 00:52:33,760
Speaker 1: time Levi Wallace has had a challenge, he has answered.

992
00:52:33,840 --> 00:52:37,319
Speaker 1: And he is not Tredavious White. He's not as good

993
00:52:37,360 --> 00:52:40,120
Speaker 1: as Tredavious White. He came into the NFL as an

994
00:52:40,200 --> 00:52:44,840
Speaker 1: undrafted player. He walked onto Alabama and earned a spot

995
00:52:44,840 --> 00:52:47,719
Speaker 1: on the team, and then earned a scholarship and earned

996
00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:51,480
Speaker 1: a starting spot. So he has been fighting since he

997
00:52:51,600 --> 00:52:54,840
Speaker 1: got into college football. And I really like that story

998
00:52:54,960 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 1: aspect about Levi Wallis. I think that's something that I

999
00:52:58,000 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: really gravitate towards as a storyteller. Is the story, but

1000
00:53:02,239 --> 00:53:04,520
Speaker 1: is it going to translate to what you want on

1001
00:53:04,560 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: the field as a corner I think there's better options

1002
00:53:08,719 --> 00:53:12,239
Speaker 1: out there than Levi Wallace, but I don't know. If

1003
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:15,000
Speaker 1: another option comes in and that option gets hurt, it's

1004
00:53:15,160 --> 00:53:18,279
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace again. I feel like every time someone comes in,

1005
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:21,640
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace earns that shot. Yeah, And I think the

1006
00:53:21,719 --> 00:53:25,640
Speaker 1: Bills have recognized the fact that as much as they

1007
00:53:25,719 --> 00:53:29,080
Speaker 1: may want to add a veteran free agent with a

1008
00:53:29,160 --> 00:53:31,839
Speaker 1: proven track record at the position, they also know it's

1009
00:53:31,840 --> 00:53:35,439
Speaker 1: a high priced position. I mean, outside of quarterback, defensive end,

1010
00:53:35,880 --> 00:53:40,320
Speaker 1: wide receiver, and maybe offensive Tackle'll have to check the

1011
00:53:40,400 --> 00:53:43,640
Speaker 1: numbers again, cornerback is right up there with those high

1012
00:53:43,640 --> 00:53:48,480
Speaker 1: priced positions in terms of average annual value. And they

1013
00:53:48,560 --> 00:53:52,319
Speaker 1: know they cannot pay a premium on both sides with

1014
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,400
Speaker 1: how their money has invested so heavily in the defensive line,

1015
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:58,920
Speaker 1: so they know they can't pay a premium at all

1016
00:53:58,960 --> 00:54:03,080
Speaker 1: their starting position, and they've kind of gone more budgetary

1017
00:54:03,160 --> 00:54:07,840
Speaker 1: and more fiscally responsible at the second corner position. But

1018
00:54:08,000 --> 00:54:10,759
Speaker 1: now one of their cheap labor players who has been

1019
00:54:10,840 --> 00:54:14,279
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace is now up for a new contract, and

1020
00:54:14,320 --> 00:54:17,000
Speaker 1: with all the playing time he's gotten, I would like

1021
00:54:17,080 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: to think he's probably going to be looking for a

1022
00:54:18,960 --> 00:54:22,920
Speaker 1: significant pay increase. Here to what degree is anybody's guess

1023
00:54:22,920 --> 00:54:25,440
Speaker 1: in terms of what he'd be willing to accept, But

1024
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: that's a decision that has to be made here. I

1025
00:54:27,719 --> 00:54:29,640
Speaker 1: think in an ideal world they would like to have

1026
00:54:29,719 --> 00:54:33,440
Speaker 1: Levi Wallace on the roster, but Levi is no longer

1027
00:54:33,520 --> 00:54:36,680
Speaker 1: on the cheap rookie contract anymore. And if he's going

1028
00:54:36,719 --> 00:54:39,720
Speaker 1: to cost more, how much does that compromise their ability

1029
00:54:39,920 --> 00:54:44,879
Speaker 1: to maybe get another proven player as competition for him there?

1030
00:54:45,840 --> 00:54:48,600
Speaker 1: I do think Dan Jackson will represent some form of

1031
00:54:48,640 --> 00:54:51,800
Speaker 1: competition at the position. Is he ready to assume a

1032
00:54:51,840 --> 00:54:54,359
Speaker 1: starting role? That might be a big if. I think

1033
00:54:54,400 --> 00:54:58,520
Speaker 1: that's a wait and see, but it certainly makes the

1034
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,680
Speaker 1: dynamic of how they operated each of the last two

1035
00:55:01,680 --> 00:55:05,279
Speaker 1: offseasons getting a veteran player on a relatively cheap deal

1036
00:55:05,320 --> 00:55:07,440
Speaker 1: for the cornerback position. I don't know if they can

1037
00:55:07,480 --> 00:55:13,400
Speaker 1: approach it the same way this year because a Levi situation. Yeah,

1038
00:55:13,440 --> 00:55:16,319
Speaker 1: I agree, And when I was on Earlier this week,

1039
00:55:16,360 --> 00:55:19,319
Speaker 1: we were talking about the corner position, and Steve was

1040
00:55:19,360 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: talking about how important the corner position has become in

1041
00:55:22,640 --> 00:55:26,120
Speaker 1: today's NFL, just because it's a passing league, and he said,

1042
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,960
Speaker 1: I almost value corners more now than I value players

1043
00:55:29,960 --> 00:55:32,640
Speaker 1: on the defensive line. I would almost rather see us

1044
00:55:32,680 --> 00:55:36,759
Speaker 1: spend on a corner than maybe a defensive lineman. He

1045
00:55:36,840 --> 00:55:40,319
Speaker 1: wasn't specifically saying pass rusher over corner, but kind of

1046
00:55:40,360 --> 00:55:43,560
Speaker 1: just in general terms speaking, Do you do you agree

1047
00:55:43,600 --> 00:55:46,120
Speaker 1: with that? Are you someone who's starting to value that

1048
00:55:46,200 --> 00:55:49,879
Speaker 1: corner spot and value two corners who are locked down

1049
00:55:50,000 --> 00:55:53,719
Speaker 1: corners rather than spreading the wealth amongst the defense. Well,

1050
00:55:53,760 --> 00:55:56,239
Speaker 1: let's just think about it this way. First of all,

1051
00:55:56,280 --> 00:55:58,760
Speaker 1: because as you're saying that, I'm running through my head, Okay,

1052
00:55:58,760 --> 00:56:02,320
Speaker 1: what teams in the league have two really good corners?

1053
00:56:03,080 --> 00:56:06,279
Speaker 1: And I think the Miami Dolphins are a perfect example here.

1054
00:56:06,320 --> 00:56:12,000
Speaker 1: The Miami Dolphins are a defense that has invested heavily

1055
00:56:12,040 --> 00:56:14,480
Speaker 1: in their top two corners. I mean, they're the two.

1056
00:56:14,680 --> 00:56:17,840
Speaker 1: I think they're two of the top five salaried players

1057
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:22,520
Speaker 1: on their defense, and I think combined they're around twenty

1058
00:56:22,560 --> 00:56:26,000
Speaker 1: seven million dollars a year just those two guys alone,

1059
00:56:26,040 --> 00:56:29,919
Speaker 1: Byron Jones and Xavian Howard, who just signed lucrative long

1060
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:34,920
Speaker 1: term contracts with the Dolphins. And yeah, they're good. They

1061
00:56:34,920 --> 00:56:37,960
Speaker 1: can play press man. But what did the Bills do

1062
00:56:38,080 --> 00:56:41,280
Speaker 1: to them? They torched them in both games. And why

1063
00:56:41,760 --> 00:56:45,400
Speaker 1: because they don't have a bend the edge pass rusher

1064
00:56:46,120 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: up on the defensive line. They have a power rusher

1065
00:56:48,120 --> 00:56:51,040
Speaker 1: in Chack Lawson, power rusher on the other side whose

1066
00:56:51,080 --> 00:56:53,839
Speaker 1: name is escaping me right now, and so they don't

1067
00:56:53,920 --> 00:56:57,319
Speaker 1: have a true speed pass rusher or an elite pass

1068
00:56:57,400 --> 00:57:00,480
Speaker 1: rusher by any means. And as good as those two

1069
00:57:00,520 --> 00:57:04,279
Speaker 1: corners are in the back, they get exposed because they're

1070
00:57:04,360 --> 00:57:09,320
Speaker 1: not affecting the quarterback enough to force her reed throws

1071
00:57:09,680 --> 00:57:13,880
Speaker 1: Aaron passes opportunities for picks. Now, those guys got interceptions,

1072
00:57:13,880 --> 00:57:15,520
Speaker 1: don't get me wrong. Heck they got it. I mean

1073
00:57:15,560 --> 00:57:19,960
Speaker 1: Byron Jones got an interception in the season finale here,

1074
00:57:20,600 --> 00:57:25,040
Speaker 1: but they lost by thirty points. So I think there.

1075
00:57:25,080 --> 00:57:27,200
Speaker 1: I don't know if there's a tried and true yep,

1076
00:57:27,280 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 1: this is the only way you do it. You invest

1077
00:57:29,440 --> 00:57:32,680
Speaker 1: in corner because everybody's passing right now. I still think

1078
00:57:32,720 --> 00:57:35,520
Speaker 1: there should be a premium put on a premier pass rusher,

1079
00:57:36,160 --> 00:57:38,280
Speaker 1: and there are gonna be a lot of them in

1080
00:57:38,360 --> 00:57:41,520
Speaker 1: the free agent market this year. The question is how

1081
00:57:41,640 --> 00:57:44,920
Speaker 1: soft does the market get and how quickly does it

1082
00:57:44,960 --> 00:57:48,479
Speaker 1: get soft? Because we all know that top flight pass

1083
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: rushers are making anywhere between seventeen to twenty million dollars

1084
00:57:52,000 --> 00:57:54,680
Speaker 1: a year. That's gonna be tough for a lot of

1085
00:57:54,680 --> 00:57:58,560
Speaker 1: teams to stomach in this restricted cap off season. So

1086
00:57:58,680 --> 00:58:00,800
Speaker 1: I think the top flight eyes, you know, like a

1087
00:58:00,840 --> 00:58:04,240
Speaker 1: Shack Barrett, he's going to get his money. But after

1088
00:58:04,280 --> 00:58:07,240
Speaker 1: that first week, Maddie, the money's going to dry up

1089
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:10,800
Speaker 1: really fast. And so now I think the Bills and

1090
00:58:10,880 --> 00:58:14,600
Speaker 1: some other teams are going to have a real opportunity

1091
00:58:14,680 --> 00:58:18,160
Speaker 1: to get, if not an elite pass rushers, someone pretty

1092
00:58:18,240 --> 00:58:23,040
Speaker 1: darned close at a pretty affordable price all things considered.

1093
00:58:23,080 --> 00:58:26,160
Speaker 1: I'm not saying ten million, but maybe twelve and a half,

1094
00:58:26,440 --> 00:58:30,120
Speaker 1: maybe thirteen. And if you have the opportunity to do

1095
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:32,240
Speaker 1: that even for this year, because as you were saying,

1096
00:58:32,280 --> 00:58:34,280
Speaker 1: you know, the whole go forward window this year and

1097
00:58:34,360 --> 00:58:37,120
Speaker 1: next year, you might be able to get a really

1098
00:58:37,120 --> 00:58:41,760
Speaker 1: good pass rusher for less money than you would normally

1099
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,560
Speaker 1: pay in an offseason because of the circumstances that everybody's

1100
00:58:44,560 --> 00:58:48,680
Speaker 1: facing with this reduced cap. And believe me, I've been

1101
00:58:49,800 --> 00:58:53,480
Speaker 1: I've been a proponent of you can never have enough

1102
00:58:53,480 --> 00:58:57,640
Speaker 1: corners on your roster, and Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean

1103
00:58:57,760 --> 00:59:00,520
Speaker 1: have actually had fewer corners on their roster than I

1104
00:59:00,600 --> 00:59:03,320
Speaker 1: personally would like. Not that my opinion matters, and they're

1105
00:59:03,360 --> 00:59:06,479
Speaker 1: planning of the roster, but I always feel a little

1106
00:59:06,520 --> 00:59:11,080
Speaker 1: more comfortable that when maybe some corner goes down with

1107
00:59:11,120 --> 00:59:12,880
Speaker 1: an injury and has lost for a couple of weeks,

1108
00:59:13,280 --> 00:59:17,360
Speaker 1: you're not shorthanded, and you know, mix and puzzle pieces,

1109
00:59:17,720 --> 00:59:19,640
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, we think about what happened when

1110
00:59:19,640 --> 00:59:21,840
Speaker 1: Taryn Johnson's been out of the lineup over the last

1111
00:59:21,880 --> 00:59:24,160
Speaker 1: couple of years. You got so Ran Neil in playing

1112
00:59:24,200 --> 00:59:27,439
Speaker 1: slock corner, Dean Marlowe's fitting in there, and those guys

1113
00:59:27,440 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: are not true full time corners, if you will, And

1114
00:59:31,480 --> 00:59:34,040
Speaker 1: so I've always said, oh well, let's have some extra guys,

1115
00:59:34,040 --> 00:59:36,880
Speaker 1: and you could this year this past year because of

1116
00:59:36,960 --> 00:59:40,120
Speaker 1: the expanded practice squad that enabled them to keep Dane

1117
00:59:40,200 --> 00:59:42,280
Speaker 1: Jackson and call him up to the active roster when

1118
00:59:42,280 --> 00:59:44,800
Speaker 1: they needed him to play on a couple of occasions.

1119
00:59:45,240 --> 00:59:48,240
Speaker 1: I don't know if that's going to continue this season,

1120
00:59:48,320 --> 00:59:51,200
Speaker 1: although you you better believe that coaches will be pushing

1121
00:59:51,240 --> 00:59:55,640
Speaker 1: for that because the roster flexibility was unmatched this past year.

1122
00:59:55,680 --> 01:00:00,280
Speaker 1: But I'm a proponent of drafting a corner every single year. Year.

1123
01:00:00,560 --> 01:00:02,920
Speaker 1: Doesn't have to be day one or day two. You know,

1124
01:00:02,960 --> 01:00:05,040
Speaker 1: what they did last year was fine Dane Jackson in

1125
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,200
Speaker 1: Round seven, but I think they should always be drafting one.

1126
01:00:08,360 --> 01:00:11,000
Speaker 1: And the thing we got to consider now, Maddie also

1127
01:00:11,240 --> 01:00:13,600
Speaker 1: not only how Levi Wallace being up for a new

1128
01:00:13,640 --> 01:00:16,600
Speaker 1: contract changes the dynamic of how they've approached the position,

1129
01:00:17,160 --> 01:00:20,240
Speaker 1: but also tarn Johnson is entering the last year of

1130
01:00:20,280 --> 01:00:23,520
Speaker 1: his rookie contract. I believe sirrand Neil is doing that

1131
01:00:23,600 --> 01:00:27,080
Speaker 1: as well, And so you've got Micah Hyde entering the

1132
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:30,120
Speaker 1: last year of his contract. So those are three players

1133
01:00:30,960 --> 01:00:32,920
Speaker 1: who all play a role in one way or another,

1134
01:00:32,920 --> 01:00:37,240
Speaker 1: sirran Neil primarily on special teams. But if you don't

1135
01:00:37,320 --> 01:00:41,440
Speaker 1: address their contracts this offseason, because if everything else you

1136
01:00:41,480 --> 01:00:44,080
Speaker 1: have to take care of, do you need to draft

1137
01:00:44,200 --> 01:00:47,200
Speaker 1: maybe even more than one defensive back to get more

1138
01:00:47,320 --> 01:00:51,080
Speaker 1: guys coming through the pipeline if you will. That's something

1139
01:00:51,120 --> 01:00:54,360
Speaker 1: that I'm interested to see how they approach that knowing

1140
01:00:54,400 --> 01:00:56,640
Speaker 1: that you've got two or three guys on the last

1141
01:00:56,720 --> 01:00:59,080
Speaker 1: year of their current deals to go along with all

1142
01:00:59,120 --> 01:01:02,680
Speaker 1: these free agents. And I feel like this past year

1143
01:01:02,720 --> 01:01:06,080
Speaker 1: you talk about the volume of players and wanting more

1144
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:09,560
Speaker 1: corners or wanting more defensive backs on a roster. I

1145
01:01:09,560 --> 01:01:11,480
Speaker 1: feel like this past season, when they hit some of

1146
01:01:11,480 --> 01:01:15,040
Speaker 1: those injury weeks, there were times where we were scratching

1147
01:01:15,040 --> 01:01:17,600
Speaker 1: our heads wondering who was going to play in stock corner,

1148
01:01:18,080 --> 01:01:21,120
Speaker 1: wondering who was going to play opposite Tredavious White. And

1149
01:01:21,200 --> 01:01:24,400
Speaker 1: in a passing league, I think that's also the last

1150
01:01:24,400 --> 01:01:27,520
Speaker 1: thing you want is to put a third stringer out

1151
01:01:27,560 --> 01:01:31,000
Speaker 1: there who's going to be lined up against the wide

1152
01:01:31,040 --> 01:01:35,120
Speaker 1: receiver one or be going up against someone who's completely mismatched,

1153
01:01:35,160 --> 01:01:37,600
Speaker 1: and that's how you lose a game. I think you

1154
01:01:38,000 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: want volume there, but you want a strong first, second,

1155
01:01:41,120 --> 01:01:44,760
Speaker 1: and even third line at times, and thinking about going

1156
01:01:44,760 --> 01:01:47,240
Speaker 1: into the draft to draft a corner every year and

1157
01:01:47,680 --> 01:01:52,880
Speaker 1: wondering how many diamond and rough players can come around

1158
01:01:53,360 --> 01:01:56,080
Speaker 1: in the fifth, sixth, and seventh round. There's a lot

1159
01:01:56,120 --> 01:01:58,600
Speaker 1: of guys in the NFL today who are drafted in

1160
01:01:58,640 --> 01:02:02,400
Speaker 1: the fifth and lower round. I remember going through the roster,

1161
01:02:02,600 --> 01:02:05,600
Speaker 1: not this past season, but the season before the forty

1162
01:02:05,720 --> 01:02:08,040
Speaker 1: nine ers roster and the Super Bowl when they made

1163
01:02:08,080 --> 01:02:10,480
Speaker 1: it to the Super Bowl, looking at how many players

1164
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:13,480
Speaker 1: on their roster and even the Chiefs were starters and

1165
01:02:13,520 --> 01:02:17,200
Speaker 1: we're fourth, fifth, sixth round players and there were quite

1166
01:02:17,200 --> 01:02:19,840
Speaker 1: a few. I I was surprised by how many people

1167
01:02:19,880 --> 01:02:22,960
Speaker 1: were starters on the roster that were later round guys

1168
01:02:23,000 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 1: and kind of thinking, could you hit a diamond in

1169
01:02:25,600 --> 01:02:29,360
Speaker 1: the rough with the corner drafting maybe lower round. Could

1170
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:32,840
Speaker 1: Dane Jackson be that? I feel like he had pops

1171
01:02:32,880 --> 01:02:35,560
Speaker 1: of that this past season, But I agree with you,

1172
01:02:35,640 --> 01:02:38,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's necessarily ready to take on

1173
01:02:38,920 --> 01:02:41,560
Speaker 1: a full starter role in his second year in the

1174
01:02:41,680 --> 01:02:44,840
Speaker 1: NFL when the ball's going to be thrown at you

1175
01:02:45,200 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: every single play. Yeah, I mean, I like him. He's

1176
01:02:48,160 --> 01:02:51,720
Speaker 1: an aggressive player. I think he plays bigger than his size.

1177
01:02:51,960 --> 01:02:54,400
Speaker 1: I don't think he's afraid of backing down from anybody,

1178
01:02:54,400 --> 01:02:56,080
Speaker 1: so the game doesn't look too big for him, and

1179
01:02:56,080 --> 01:02:58,080
Speaker 1: I'm encouraged. I think he will be in the mix

1180
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:01,320
Speaker 1: to be that second corner. Depend on who else they add.

1181
01:03:01,800 --> 01:03:05,960
Speaker 1: But it's like we were saying this past season, Mattie,

1182
01:03:06,080 --> 01:03:09,720
Speaker 1: the reason the Bills were so difficult to defend was

1183
01:03:09,760 --> 01:03:12,720
Speaker 1: because they put four receivers out there and said, I

1184
01:03:12,720 --> 01:03:14,959
Speaker 1: don't believe you have four corners good enough to cover

1185
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:17,840
Speaker 1: our four guys, and in many cases they were noted.

1186
01:03:18,280 --> 01:03:21,320
Speaker 1: And but that got me thinking, like, well, if the

1187
01:03:21,360 --> 01:03:24,000
Speaker 1: Bills are successful doing this, and we know Arizona uses

1188
01:03:24,000 --> 01:03:26,600
Speaker 1: four wides, and there's a couple other teams the Bucks

1189
01:03:26,680 --> 01:03:30,360
Speaker 1: used four wides at times this past season, and knowing

1190
01:03:30,400 --> 01:03:33,120
Speaker 1: the copycat league that it is, and knowing that every

1191
01:03:33,200 --> 01:03:37,880
Speaker 1: year this year again another strong receiver class coming out

1192
01:03:37,920 --> 01:03:40,400
Speaker 1: in the draft, these teams are going to be fortifying

1193
01:03:40,440 --> 01:03:43,200
Speaker 1: their rosters with more and more and more receivers. Well,

1194
01:03:43,240 --> 01:03:45,760
Speaker 1: eventually you get to a point of critical mass where

1195
01:03:45,960 --> 01:03:47,800
Speaker 1: you don't have the guys to cover all of these

1196
01:03:47,840 --> 01:03:52,200
Speaker 1: receivers unless you are investing every year in that position.

1197
01:03:52,200 --> 01:03:56,040
Speaker 1: And that's why I still say draft a corner every year,

1198
01:03:57,680 --> 01:04:00,080
Speaker 1: whatever round you know is going to be impacted by

1199
01:04:00,120 --> 01:04:02,080
Speaker 1: the other needs that you obviously have on your roster,

1200
01:04:02,200 --> 01:04:04,800
Speaker 1: but I think you should draft one every single year

1201
01:04:04,840 --> 01:04:07,160
Speaker 1: because I don't think you can ever have enough. Does

1202
01:04:07,240 --> 01:04:10,920
Speaker 1: it Does it supersede my belief that you need a

1203
01:04:11,000 --> 01:04:13,880
Speaker 1: top flight pass rusher. I don't know if it can

1204
01:04:13,920 --> 01:04:16,920
Speaker 1: go quite that far, because it's like we hear the

1205
01:04:16,960 --> 01:04:20,720
Speaker 1: players say all the time, Maddie, those two parts of

1206
01:04:20,720 --> 01:04:23,240
Speaker 1: your defense go hand in hand. Like you could have

1207
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:25,240
Speaker 1: the greatest cover unit in the world, but if the

1208
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:28,280
Speaker 1: quarterback has five seconds to throw the football, there's no

1209
01:04:28,360 --> 01:04:30,480
Speaker 1: corner in the universe that can cover a receiver for

1210
01:04:30,480 --> 01:04:33,040
Speaker 1: five seconds. They're going to still make plays. So I

1211
01:04:33,400 --> 01:04:36,080
Speaker 1: think you have to balance it out and still have,

1212
01:04:36,920 --> 01:04:39,560
Speaker 1: you know, a good pass rusher to at least impact

1213
01:04:39,560 --> 01:04:42,040
Speaker 1: the quarterback in some way, shape or form to make

1214
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:44,480
Speaker 1: life easier for the guys on the back end, no

1215
01:04:44,520 --> 01:04:47,920
Speaker 1: matter how good they are at covering people. So I'd

1216
01:04:47,960 --> 01:04:50,840
Speaker 1: be all in favor of getting a pass rusher. And

1217
01:04:50,880 --> 01:04:53,240
Speaker 1: then you want to make a draft choice at corner

1218
01:04:53,480 --> 01:04:55,480
Speaker 1: somewhere on the first two days of the draft. I'm

1219
01:04:55,520 --> 01:04:59,760
Speaker 1: on board with that, because, unfortunately, I think cornerback is

1220
01:04:59,760 --> 01:05:04,360
Speaker 1: two costly a position to sign a proven free agent

1221
01:05:04,880 --> 01:05:08,040
Speaker 1: knowing the money you just handed Tredavious White. Tredavious White

1222
01:05:08,080 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 1: is you're a big money corner I don't know if

1223
01:05:10,320 --> 01:05:12,760
Speaker 1: you can afford to have two and still address your

1224
01:05:12,760 --> 01:05:15,040
Speaker 1: defensive end position at the same time. So I see

1225
01:05:15,080 --> 01:05:18,280
Speaker 1: corner getting addressed in the draft. What do you think

1226
01:05:18,280 --> 01:05:21,600
Speaker 1: about these final year contract guys though, Maddie, like tarn Johnson,

1227
01:05:22,080 --> 01:05:24,600
Speaker 1: I mean, Siran Neil is an important special team or

1228
01:05:24,640 --> 01:05:28,560
Speaker 1: he's a gunner for them, and then Micah Hyde going

1229
01:05:28,600 --> 01:05:30,840
Speaker 1: into the last year of his deal. I know they

1230
01:05:30,880 --> 01:05:33,720
Speaker 1: think a lot of jikuon Johnson and you know, if

1231
01:05:33,720 --> 01:05:35,840
Speaker 1: they don't do anything with the Mica Hide contract, you

1232
01:05:35,880 --> 01:05:40,400
Speaker 1: gotta believe that jikuon Johnson is the heir apparent there. Yeah,

1233
01:05:40,400 --> 01:05:44,800
Speaker 1: And I think just like this season with the offensive lineman,

1234
01:05:44,880 --> 01:05:48,840
Speaker 1: there's five free agents, you can't keep them all. You're

1235
01:05:48,840 --> 01:05:50,880
Speaker 1: not going to keep everybody. I think it's going to

1236
01:05:50,960 --> 01:05:53,720
Speaker 1: be the same situation next year with some of these

1237
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:57,160
Speaker 1: defensive backs who their contracts are coming up. You're not

1238
01:05:57,200 --> 01:06:00,280
Speaker 1: going to be able to keep everybody. But I think

1239
01:06:00,280 --> 01:06:03,560
Speaker 1: it's also important to remember that we play nickel defense

1240
01:06:03,840 --> 01:06:07,120
Speaker 1: a lot more than fifty percent of the time, and

1241
01:06:07,200 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 1: so you need these bodies we talk You talked about volume.

1242
01:06:11,680 --> 01:06:13,760
Speaker 1: You need players like this to be able to make

1243
01:06:13,880 --> 01:06:17,680
Speaker 1: up your defense. Who plays nickel all the time. Basically,

1244
01:06:17,720 --> 01:06:20,160
Speaker 1: you don't. You don't have three linebackers on the field.

1245
01:06:20,200 --> 01:06:22,800
Speaker 1: We put two linebackers on the field, and then you

1246
01:06:22,840 --> 01:06:25,240
Speaker 1: have your defensive line and then the rest is your

1247
01:06:25,280 --> 01:06:28,439
Speaker 1: your corners, your slack corner, and your safeties. So you're

1248
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:30,560
Speaker 1: gonna have to keep some of these guys. And I

1249
01:06:30,600 --> 01:06:34,240
Speaker 1: think you talk about sarand Neil. What he adds to

1250
01:06:34,360 --> 01:06:37,200
Speaker 1: special teams, I think is so important, and this team

1251
01:06:37,240 --> 01:06:40,600
Speaker 1: puts a lot of emphasis on special teams. And that's

1252
01:06:40,600 --> 01:06:43,840
Speaker 1: how you make the roster on this team is how

1253
01:06:44,280 --> 01:06:47,240
Speaker 1: how can you make an impact on special teams? What

1254
01:06:47,320 --> 01:06:49,960
Speaker 1: can you do on special teams if you're not a starter.

1255
01:06:50,280 --> 01:06:53,200
Speaker 1: So guys like that may have more value over other

1256
01:06:53,240 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: players based on what they're able to add in that

1257
01:06:55,520 --> 01:06:58,160
Speaker 1: third phase of the game. But Taryn Johnson as someone

1258
01:06:58,200 --> 01:07:00,439
Speaker 1: who I was a fan of this year, being able

1259
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:03,680
Speaker 1: to see what he did after that Week six bench

1260
01:07:04,120 --> 01:07:07,640
Speaker 1: and having those two pick six plays, But can you

1261
01:07:07,680 --> 01:07:10,120
Speaker 1: fill that with somebody else? Can you replace that with

1262
01:07:10,160 --> 01:07:13,840
Speaker 1: somebody else? I think he may be easier to replace

1263
01:07:13,880 --> 01:07:16,720
Speaker 1: than some other players on a roster, of course, because

1264
01:07:16,760 --> 01:07:19,400
Speaker 1: he's not your Trenavious White He's not your player that

1265
01:07:19,640 --> 01:07:22,560
Speaker 1: you're breaking the bank for. But these are important players

1266
01:07:23,000 --> 01:07:24,960
Speaker 1: who make up the roster and who have been a

1267
01:07:24,960 --> 01:07:27,600
Speaker 1: big part of this defense, who's been a top three,

1268
01:07:27,680 --> 01:07:30,680
Speaker 1: a top five defense in different aspects for the last

1269
01:07:30,680 --> 01:07:34,640
Speaker 1: three seasons. Yeah, and I think the Terren Johnson thing

1270
01:07:34,720 --> 01:07:36,680
Speaker 1: is a wait and see. I don't think that's a

1271
01:07:36,760 --> 01:07:40,520
Speaker 1: high priority for them this offseason. I think they're going

1272
01:07:40,560 --> 01:07:43,120
Speaker 1: to kind of see how it goes. We saw how

1273
01:07:43,200 --> 01:07:47,560
Speaker 1: cam Lewis was pushing him for playing time, eventually taking

1274
01:07:47,600 --> 01:07:50,480
Speaker 1: over the job in Week six, albeit for a quarter

1275
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:54,280
Speaker 1: before he unfortunately got injured. But I think that competition

1276
01:07:54,480 --> 01:07:57,200
Speaker 1: will fire back up again as we get back to

1277
01:07:57,240 --> 01:08:01,800
Speaker 1: training camp. And I think all people would naturally assume,

1278
01:08:01,880 --> 01:08:04,280
Speaker 1: based on the way Terren Johnson finished this past season,

1279
01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:06,760
Speaker 1: that he's going to reassume that role in nickel unless

1280
01:08:06,760 --> 01:08:10,880
Speaker 1: cam Lewis absolutely blows it up. But if cam Lewis

1281
01:08:11,360 --> 01:08:14,640
Speaker 1: continues to come on and can push him, I wonder

1282
01:08:14,680 --> 01:08:18,160
Speaker 1: if that impacts whether or not they bring Tarren Johnson

1283
01:08:18,200 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 1: back on a new contract next year at this time.

1284
01:08:22,800 --> 01:08:24,559
Speaker 1: And I think the other thing we have to factor

1285
01:08:24,600 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: in there, Maddie, is this team played nickel ninety percent

1286
01:08:29,120 --> 01:08:31,840
Speaker 1: of the snaps last year on defense. I mean, Terren

1287
01:08:31,920 --> 01:08:35,479
Speaker 1: Johnson is a starter in every sense of the word.

1288
01:08:35,560 --> 01:08:38,519
Speaker 1: This is not a sub package guy. With as much

1289
01:08:38,520 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: as that they played nickel more than any other team

1290
01:08:40,520 --> 01:08:44,400
Speaker 1: in football last year. It is their identity as a defense.

1291
01:08:45,080 --> 01:08:48,639
Speaker 1: So it's gonna be interesting to see what the value

1292
01:08:48,760 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 1: is because you have to believe that the Terren Johnson camp,

1293
01:08:52,360 --> 01:08:54,960
Speaker 1: his agent is going to say, hey man, this guy's

1294
01:08:55,000 --> 01:08:58,200
Speaker 1: playing sixty five snaps a week. He's not your normal nickel.

1295
01:08:58,240 --> 01:09:00,120
Speaker 1: You've got to you've got to take care of this guy.

1296
01:09:00,120 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: And when he's turning in gigantic plays like the one

1297
01:09:02,360 --> 01:09:05,280
Speaker 1: our MSG viewers are watching now from the Baltimore playoff game,

1298
01:09:06,680 --> 01:09:09,840
Speaker 1: you gotta wonder what he'll cost. I mean, he's not

1299
01:09:09,840 --> 01:09:12,200
Speaker 1: gonna cost as much as an outside corner, but I

1300
01:09:12,240 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 1: think he's gonna be far off, especially if he put

1301
01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:19,240
Speaker 1: together another good season. Yeah, it's interesting to talk about

1302
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:23,839
Speaker 1: what nickel, what slot corners, what those types of players

1303
01:09:24,240 --> 01:09:27,920
Speaker 1: cost because you think about the market, like you said,

1304
01:09:27,920 --> 01:09:31,439
Speaker 1: for outside corners, and nickel is a position. Yes, it's

1305
01:09:31,479 --> 01:09:34,000
Speaker 1: been played for a while, but I feel like over

1306
01:09:34,080 --> 01:09:36,200
Speaker 1: the last and you can correct me, over the last

1307
01:09:36,240 --> 01:09:39,640
Speaker 1: five years. This is a defense that's being played a

1308
01:09:39,640 --> 01:09:43,639
Speaker 1: lot more because we're seeing these past heavy teams, these

1309
01:09:43,680 --> 01:09:45,759
Speaker 1: teams that are throwing the ball, and that's not going

1310
01:09:45,800 --> 01:09:48,280
Speaker 1: away anytime soon. So I wonder if there's going to

1311
01:09:48,360 --> 01:09:51,760
Speaker 1: be in the next couple of seasons this market for

1312
01:09:52,479 --> 01:09:56,439
Speaker 1: these nickel and these slot corner players who are making

1313
01:09:56,479 --> 01:09:59,040
Speaker 1: a name for themselves because of the way we're seeing

1314
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 1: this league, Trent, which is passing the ball, and which

1315
01:10:02,160 --> 01:10:06,200
Speaker 1: is going to continue to happen based on what type

1316
01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:09,320
Speaker 1: of quarterbacks we're seeing come out of college football and

1317
01:10:09,320 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 1: going to the NFL. Yeah, I mean just a few

1318
01:10:12,760 --> 01:10:15,080
Speaker 1: short years ago, it was thought to be a lot

1319
01:10:15,840 --> 01:10:20,599
Speaker 1: if slot corners were playing sixty five percent of the time,

1320
01:10:21,160 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: And you know that was only four or five years ago.

1321
01:10:23,560 --> 01:10:27,479
Speaker 1: Now it's most teams are in nickel seventy five percent

1322
01:10:27,520 --> 01:10:29,400
Speaker 1: of the time. I mean the Bills are the extreme

1323
01:10:29,640 --> 01:10:32,759
Speaker 1: ninety percent is you know, I don't think there was anybody.

1324
01:10:33,200 --> 01:10:35,120
Speaker 1: I think there might have been one team that was

1325
01:10:35,160 --> 01:10:38,439
Speaker 1: over eighty percent of their defensive plays were in nickel,

1326
01:10:38,840 --> 01:10:42,200
Speaker 1: but nobody else was near the Bills, and most of

1327
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:45,320
Speaker 1: the other teams were in the low seventies high sixties.

1328
01:10:46,920 --> 01:10:49,200
Speaker 1: So yeah, but it's going that way. You're right, it's

1329
01:10:49,200 --> 01:10:52,840
Speaker 1: absolutely going that way. And I still believe it is

1330
01:10:52,880 --> 01:10:56,759
Speaker 1: easier to find a slot corner than an outside corner

1331
01:10:56,800 --> 01:10:58,920
Speaker 1: that you can put on an island that's strong enough,

1332
01:10:59,360 --> 01:11:02,719
Speaker 1: has the eyes to deal with those taller receivers outside

1333
01:11:02,720 --> 01:11:06,040
Speaker 1: and compete for jump balls. That's a harder physical makeup

1334
01:11:06,080 --> 01:11:09,840
Speaker 1: to find. So you can arguably find slock corners easier

1335
01:11:09,840 --> 01:11:13,000
Speaker 1: because you can put smaller guys in there. I don't

1336
01:11:13,000 --> 01:11:16,080
Speaker 1: know if that's going to impact the annual average value

1337
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:18,320
Speaker 1: for you know, what a contract would look like for

1338
01:11:18,360 --> 01:11:20,759
Speaker 1: a slot corner. And believe me, I know we're getting

1339
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,719
Speaker 1: too far down the road here because I'm already pushing

1340
01:11:22,760 --> 01:11:25,200
Speaker 1: us to the twenty twenty two off season. But these

1341
01:11:25,240 --> 01:11:26,720
Speaker 1: are the things that roll around in my head in

1342
01:11:26,760 --> 01:11:30,920
Speaker 1: the offseason. I have a problem. But yeah, and you know,

1343
01:11:30,960 --> 01:11:36,280
Speaker 1: if you look at this list, you know, I guess

1344
01:11:36,280 --> 01:11:38,840
Speaker 1: what I guess the one thing that concerns me, And

1345
01:11:39,360 --> 01:11:41,880
Speaker 1: maybe this is because I've got such an affinity for

1346
01:11:41,960 --> 01:11:45,720
Speaker 1: his game, Like, is this the last year in a

1347
01:11:45,760 --> 01:11:48,320
Speaker 1: Bill's uniform? For Mica Hyde? Knowing it's the last year

1348
01:11:48,360 --> 01:11:50,919
Speaker 1: of his contract because last year this time they extended

1349
01:11:51,000 --> 01:11:54,519
Speaker 1: Jordan Poyer another two years as he was entering his

1350
01:11:54,640 --> 01:11:57,360
Speaker 1: final year of his deal. But I think Micah Hyde

1351
01:11:57,439 --> 01:12:01,439
Speaker 1: is going to turn thirty this year and you have

1352
01:12:01,560 --> 01:12:04,880
Speaker 1: to wonder, like, like you've been saying today, Maddie, you

1353
01:12:05,000 --> 01:12:08,760
Speaker 1: can't pay everybody, and as much as they may not

1354
01:12:08,960 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: want to do, they have to turn the page and

1355
01:12:12,320 --> 01:12:15,280
Speaker 1: turn that position over to a young, up and coming

1356
01:12:15,280 --> 01:12:19,639
Speaker 1: player like a Juquon Johnson after the Secon to get

1357
01:12:19,640 --> 01:12:22,120
Speaker 1: really yeah, I think that's going to get really hard

1358
01:12:22,120 --> 01:12:24,920
Speaker 1: in the next couple years because there are guys like

1359
01:12:25,040 --> 01:12:28,240
Speaker 1: Micah Hyde and players down the road who are going

1360
01:12:28,280 --> 01:12:32,160
Speaker 1: to be your older players and who are asking for

1361
01:12:32,760 --> 01:12:36,439
Speaker 1: a new contract and deservedly so as their time is

1362
01:12:36,439 --> 01:12:40,439
Speaker 1: coming up. And these are like the people who made

1363
01:12:40,479 --> 01:12:43,760
Speaker 1: this team, who came in with Sean McDermott and Brandon Bean,

1364
01:12:43,880 --> 01:12:46,680
Speaker 1: And there's that aspect of like, I don't want these

1365
01:12:46,720 --> 01:12:49,400
Speaker 1: guys to be torn away from this team when they

1366
01:12:49,439 --> 01:12:52,800
Speaker 1: helped build it from the ground up under Sean McDermott

1367
01:12:52,800 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 1: and who have been so important in the locker room

1368
01:12:55,280 --> 01:12:58,760
Speaker 1: and so important to the identity and the blueprint of

1369
01:12:58,800 --> 01:13:01,920
Speaker 1: how this team looks as Sean McDermott and Brandon being

1370
01:13:01,920 --> 01:13:05,240
Speaker 1: to enter their fifth season together. So but these are

1371
01:13:05,320 --> 01:13:07,680
Speaker 1: answers that you're going to have to answer and the

1372
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:11,440
Speaker 1: questions you're going to have to answer. And Sean McDermott

1373
01:13:11,439 --> 01:13:13,680
Speaker 1: and Brandon Bean wouldn't be in their roles if they

1374
01:13:13,720 --> 01:13:17,280
Speaker 1: couldn't take on topics like this and take on hard

1375
01:13:17,320 --> 01:13:22,639
Speaker 1: conversations like Micah Hyde being up and wondering if he's

1376
01:13:22,680 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: going to be in the Bills uniform down the road.

1377
01:13:24,920 --> 01:13:27,559
Speaker 1: I surely hope so, because I do think even though

1378
01:13:27,560 --> 01:13:29,920
Speaker 1: he is turning thirty, I still think he has a

1379
01:13:29,920 --> 01:13:33,719
Speaker 1: lot to offer. And I also think about Micah Hyde

1380
01:13:33,760 --> 01:13:35,600
Speaker 1: in the same vein as Duran Poyer. It's hard to

1381
01:13:35,600 --> 01:13:38,080
Speaker 1: mention one of those without mentioning the other one in

1382
01:13:38,160 --> 01:13:41,160
Speaker 1: the same sentence. I feel like they're such a package

1383
01:13:41,240 --> 01:13:45,040
Speaker 1: deal and have made themselves to be such a package deal,

1384
01:13:45,080 --> 01:13:49,720
Speaker 1: coming in together in the same year and really fortifying

1385
01:13:50,160 --> 01:13:52,840
Speaker 1: the back end of that defense and being such a

1386
01:13:52,920 --> 01:13:56,720
Speaker 1: strong part of the defense, being known as magicians at

1387
01:13:56,800 --> 01:14:00,080
Speaker 1: times based on how they're able to disguise things. And

1388
01:14:00,439 --> 01:14:04,479
Speaker 1: I think Leslie Fraser, the defensive coordinator of the Buffalo

1389
01:14:04,520 --> 01:14:07,000
Speaker 1: Bills puts a lot of worth and value on those

1390
01:14:07,040 --> 01:14:09,720
Speaker 1: two and how he can run his defense because he

1391
01:14:09,840 --> 01:14:13,120
Speaker 1: has two guys back there that are veterans and also

1392
01:14:13,200 --> 01:14:17,040
Speaker 1: so good at their jobs. Yeah, it's I know, that's

1393
01:14:17,080 --> 01:14:19,519
Speaker 1: down the line. They got bigger fish to fry right

1394
01:14:19,520 --> 01:14:22,000
Speaker 1: now this offseason, with all the things that they have

1395
01:14:22,080 --> 01:14:24,599
Speaker 1: to do to maneuver around this restrictive cap and still

1396
01:14:24,880 --> 01:14:26,920
Speaker 1: try to make their roster better than it even was

1397
01:14:27,000 --> 01:14:30,400
Speaker 1: this past season. But I'm sorry, those are the things

1398
01:14:30,400 --> 01:14:32,320
Speaker 1: that just roll around in my head all the time, like, oh,

1399
01:14:32,400 --> 01:14:34,080
Speaker 1: how much more time do you have with Mica and

1400
01:14:34,120 --> 01:14:37,160
Speaker 1: like that kind of stuff. So, yeah, that'll be addressed

1401
01:14:37,160 --> 01:14:40,200
Speaker 1: in due course. There are more important and more pressing

1402
01:14:40,240 --> 01:14:43,280
Speaker 1: issues on much shorter timelines that are coming up here

1403
01:14:43,600 --> 01:14:45,800
Speaker 1: in the not too distant future. With the new league

1404
01:14:45,880 --> 01:14:49,280
Speaker 1: years set to start on Saint Patrick's Day. We will

1405
01:14:49,320 --> 01:14:51,160
Speaker 1: take a break, But when we come back, Manny, I

1406
01:14:51,200 --> 01:14:54,120
Speaker 1: can get into a little mock draft watch talk. We're

1407
01:14:54,120 --> 01:14:56,519
Speaker 1: gonna take a look at some of the prospects that

1408
01:14:56,640 --> 01:15:00,439
Speaker 1: have been mocked to the Bills and the like lihood

1409
01:15:00,479 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 1: we think of those names becoming Buffalo Bills. We'll get

1410
01:15:03,600 --> 01:15:05,519
Speaker 1: to that when we return here on One Bills Live,

1411
01:15:05,560 --> 01:15:20,360
Speaker 1: presented by Kalid to help it's Buffalo Bills Radio. Back

1412
01:15:20,360 --> 01:15:23,000
Speaker 1: on One Bills Live, Chris Brown, Maddie Glab second half

1413
01:15:23,040 --> 01:15:25,800
Speaker 1: of the show underway here on a Friday. We will

1414
01:15:25,840 --> 01:15:28,160
Speaker 1: get back to the obil fan mail bag to answer

1415
01:15:28,160 --> 01:15:30,680
Speaker 1: more of your questions here soon, but we did want

1416
01:15:30,680 --> 01:15:35,120
Speaker 1: to take a look at the mock Draft watch. Every week,

1417
01:15:36,280 --> 01:15:41,679
Speaker 1: Maddie puts up the collection of mock draft choices made

1418
01:15:41,760 --> 01:15:45,400
Speaker 1: to the Bills in round one from the various different

1419
01:15:45,920 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: draftnicks and gurus and wanna be gurus that are are

1420
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:53,200
Speaker 1: out there. Everybody's got a mock draft these days, and

1421
01:15:53,240 --> 01:15:56,759
Speaker 1: they seem to start earlier and earlier every offseason, and

1422
01:15:57,040 --> 01:16:00,000
Speaker 1: she kind of just compiles them all together to give him,

1423
01:16:00,200 --> 01:16:02,120
Speaker 1: give you all of them in a nice tight package.

1424
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:05,160
Speaker 1: And what will there be another one tomorrow on the website, Mannie,

1425
01:16:05,240 --> 01:16:08,880
Speaker 1: or we might wait one more week because right now

1426
01:16:08,920 --> 01:16:11,479
Speaker 1: they're coming out but not as the volume as they

1427
01:16:11,520 --> 01:16:14,679
Speaker 1: do come out in the next month or so after

1428
01:16:14,800 --> 01:16:18,760
Speaker 1: free agency, they come out like hotcakes. They're flying off

1429
01:16:18,760 --> 01:16:22,559
Speaker 1: the table, but right now they're coming out not as quickly,

1430
01:16:22,640 --> 01:16:25,400
Speaker 1: so we might wait one more week. I've gotten about

1431
01:16:25,479 --> 01:16:28,000
Speaker 1: like the six to seven from this week, So we

1432
01:16:28,160 --> 01:16:31,360
Speaker 1: usually try and package ten or more together. So we've

1433
01:16:31,360 --> 01:16:35,080
Speaker 1: got two so far, and we'll have several more going forward.

1434
01:16:35,120 --> 01:16:37,800
Speaker 1: But right now is the stage where all the people

1435
01:16:38,000 --> 01:16:41,160
Speaker 1: making these mocked drafts are just like throwing spaghetti at

1436
01:16:41,160 --> 01:16:44,280
Speaker 1: a wall and seeing if it sticks all over the place.

1437
01:16:44,360 --> 01:16:46,519
Speaker 1: As to position. Yeah, and I would agree with that,

1438
01:16:46,600 --> 01:16:49,000
Speaker 1: because here's the only thing that I have, the only

1439
01:16:49,040 --> 01:16:51,120
Speaker 1: problem I have with mocked drafts. I mean, everybody likes

1440
01:16:51,600 --> 01:16:54,439
Speaker 1: mock drafts, but this time of year, I don't even

1441
01:16:54,439 --> 01:16:56,240
Speaker 1: know if it's fair to the person doing the mock

1442
01:16:56,360 --> 01:16:58,760
Speaker 1: draft because you know that these teams are going to

1443
01:16:58,800 --> 01:17:02,840
Speaker 1: address some of these whole in free agency first, so

1444
01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:05,599
Speaker 1: that's going to completely compromise what you might think about

1445
01:17:05,600 --> 01:17:09,439
Speaker 1: these teams right now. So that's why you know, as

1446
01:17:09,479 --> 01:17:13,400
Speaker 1: the mock drafts get closer to end of March, that's

1447
01:17:13,439 --> 01:17:15,439
Speaker 1: when I really kind of lock in to see what

1448
01:17:15,520 --> 01:17:18,280
Speaker 1: people are thinking. But in any event, we'll go through

1449
01:17:18,320 --> 01:17:22,800
Speaker 1: this anyway. Mock Draft two point zero on Buffalo bills

1450
01:17:22,840 --> 01:17:26,040
Speaker 1: dot Com. Dane Brugler from The Athletic, who's a guy

1451
01:17:26,040 --> 01:17:28,880
Speaker 1: we've had on this show and knows his stuff. He

1452
01:17:30,040 --> 01:17:34,120
Speaker 1: does he did a trade? Are you serious? I'm just

1453
01:17:34,160 --> 01:17:36,400
Speaker 1: seeing this now. I saw the name of the player

1454
01:17:36,439 --> 01:17:38,400
Speaker 1: that he had going to the build, but I didn't

1455
01:17:38,400 --> 01:17:41,320
Speaker 1: realize he had some trade, so he had Buffalo moving

1456
01:17:41,400 --> 01:17:45,840
Speaker 1: up to twenty one to get South Carolina corner J C. Horn.

1457
01:17:47,120 --> 01:17:50,360
Speaker 1: I have seen some tape on this guy, Maddie Long

1458
01:17:50,520 --> 01:17:56,280
Speaker 1: corner six one, two fifteen, does a good job of

1459
01:17:56,360 --> 01:18:00,840
Speaker 1: anticipating routes, jumping routes and stuff like that, good on

1460
01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:05,720
Speaker 1: jump balls because of his length. I don't know. I'm

1461
01:18:05,800 --> 01:18:10,080
Speaker 1: not convinced they go corner in the first round, especially

1462
01:18:10,160 --> 01:18:12,719
Speaker 1: knowing it's a guy that's going to be your number

1463
01:18:12,760 --> 01:18:15,920
Speaker 1: two corner. But I guess it's really going to depend

1464
01:18:15,960 --> 01:18:19,000
Speaker 1: on how the board falls. What do you think the

1465
01:18:19,040 --> 01:18:22,920
Speaker 1: likelihood is that the Bills go corner in round one?

1466
01:18:24,000 --> 01:18:26,599
Speaker 1: So I'll go off of what we've collected so far,

1467
01:18:26,760 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 1: and I've tracked twenty mock drafts, and out of those

1468
01:18:30,080 --> 01:18:35,160
Speaker 1: twenty five people have us choosing a corner with that

1469
01:18:35,360 --> 01:18:39,280
Speaker 1: first pick. And out of those five, I want to say,

1470
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:43,320
Speaker 1: like three of them are JC Horn. So JC Horne

1471
01:18:43,360 --> 01:18:47,559
Speaker 1: has been a popular name so far. Edge we have

1472
01:18:47,680 --> 01:18:53,040
Speaker 1: out of the twenty just two. I see one defensive

1473
01:18:53,080 --> 01:18:57,679
Speaker 1: tackle and out of the twenty about five offensive lineman,

1474
01:18:58,800 --> 01:19:02,880
Speaker 1: guards and tackle goals. What I thought was interesting was,

1475
01:19:03,120 --> 01:19:06,280
Speaker 1: out of the twenty, we have three people who have

1476
01:19:06,479 --> 01:19:10,639
Speaker 1: chosen a running back, and that running back is Naja

1477
01:19:10,760 --> 01:19:15,040
Speaker 1: Harris from Alabama, which I I don't see us doing

1478
01:19:15,080 --> 01:19:18,519
Speaker 1: that at all. Yeah, I don't either. World that we

1479
01:19:18,600 --> 01:19:23,920
Speaker 1: live in, I don't think that's good. Three maybe, but

1480
01:19:24,479 --> 01:19:29,200
Speaker 1: not a first round I don't see it either. Yeah,

1481
01:19:29,439 --> 01:19:31,760
Speaker 1: me neither. So I yeah, I don't know if we're

1482
01:19:31,760 --> 01:19:34,160
Speaker 1: gonna go corner in the first round. It's it's really

1483
01:19:34,200 --> 01:19:36,400
Speaker 1: tough to tell what direction this is going to go

1484
01:19:36,439 --> 01:19:39,479
Speaker 1: in without knowing how free agency is gonna work. I mean,

1485
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:43,320
Speaker 1: when free agency happens, you start to see the picture,

1486
01:19:43,560 --> 01:19:46,720
Speaker 1: the lines start to be the picture starts to be

1487
01:19:46,840 --> 01:19:50,759
Speaker 1: colored in, and you start to see, Okay, check we've

1488
01:19:50,840 --> 01:19:53,880
Speaker 1: checked off this position, check on that position. Here's what's

1489
01:19:54,000 --> 01:19:57,280
Speaker 1: left as we entered the draft. So maybe it's a

1490
01:19:57,360 --> 01:20:01,600
Speaker 1: corner because everything else needs our met in free agency.

1491
01:20:01,800 --> 01:20:07,160
Speaker 1: But I would think you're you're looking at defensive line,

1492
01:20:07,240 --> 01:20:12,120
Speaker 1: offensive line, possibly a linebacker. If Matt Milano doesn't come

1493
01:20:12,120 --> 01:20:14,840
Speaker 1: back to the Bills, that's another one. Let's see one

1494
01:20:14,880 --> 01:20:18,680
Speaker 1: two three have chosen a linebacker. A popular name for

1495
01:20:18,720 --> 01:20:22,080
Speaker 1: a linebacker has been Nick Bolton from the Surrey in

1496
01:20:22,120 --> 01:20:25,559
Speaker 1: the first round, so all over the place, but there's

1497
01:20:25,600 --> 01:20:28,920
Speaker 1: been a couple of repeat names so far within the

1498
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:31,479
Speaker 1: first couple of weeks of tracking these. Yeah. I mean

1499
01:20:31,560 --> 01:20:33,559
Speaker 1: the name that I saw in this mock draft two

1500
01:20:33,600 --> 01:20:36,439
Speaker 1: point oh that got my attention was the Notre Dame kid,

1501
01:20:36,479 --> 01:20:43,080
Speaker 1: the linebacker Jeremiah usu Koramora, I mean Coromoa. I don't

1502
01:20:43,160 --> 01:20:46,080
Speaker 1: think there is a chance he's gonna be there at thirty.

1503
01:20:47,000 --> 01:20:49,320
Speaker 1: I think he's gone in the first twenty picks easy.

1504
01:20:49,439 --> 01:20:52,360
Speaker 1: He is. He is a stud. I mean that guy

1505
01:20:52,400 --> 01:20:55,679
Speaker 1: passes the eyeball test, he passes the game tape test,

1506
01:20:56,320 --> 01:21:00,519
Speaker 1: instinct test. He is a special player. And the thing

1507
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:05,360
Speaker 1: that shocked me about him was he was listed as

1508
01:21:05,400 --> 01:21:10,200
Speaker 1: a two hundred and fifteen pound linebacker. But he doesn't

1509
01:21:10,280 --> 01:21:12,679
Speaker 1: hit like one. He hits like he's two fifty. I mean,

1510
01:21:12,720 --> 01:21:17,479
Speaker 1: he is a secure, fundamentally sound tackler. And he gets

1511
01:21:17,479 --> 01:21:20,840
Speaker 1: there in a hurry like I'm I'm sure you've done

1512
01:21:20,840 --> 01:21:23,160
Speaker 1: this too, Mannie, in the time that you've in any

1513
01:21:23,200 --> 01:21:26,880
Speaker 1: time that you've taken to look at college linebackers. You're

1514
01:21:26,920 --> 01:21:30,080
Speaker 1: looking for the guy that most resembles Matt Milano. And

1515
01:21:30,120 --> 01:21:32,880
Speaker 1: so I'm looking around, and this guy looks like Matt

1516
01:21:32,920 --> 01:21:35,719
Speaker 1: Milano to me. He's a little bit taller and longer,

1517
01:21:35,920 --> 01:21:39,960
Speaker 1: more angular body type. But man, this kid can cover

1518
01:21:40,040 --> 01:21:44,080
Speaker 1: some ground. I watched tape of him against Clemson the

1519
01:21:44,120 --> 01:21:47,160
Speaker 1: first time they played him. The guy was all over

1520
01:21:47,200 --> 01:21:50,960
Speaker 1: the field and making big time plays. And he's not

1521
01:21:51,040 --> 01:21:53,719
Speaker 1: the only really good player on that Notre Dame Defense's

1522
01:21:53,720 --> 01:21:57,320
Speaker 1: other guys gonna get drafted off that defense, but man, alive,

1523
01:21:57,520 --> 01:21:59,880
Speaker 1: he is. He's a stud. The only thing is, I

1524
01:22:00,040 --> 01:22:03,599
Speaker 1: don't see anyway that guy's lasting to pick thirty. And

1525
01:22:03,640 --> 01:22:05,439
Speaker 1: that's the thing that's going to kill me the waiting

1526
01:22:05,479 --> 01:22:07,679
Speaker 1: this year. What I used to pick him down here, Maddie,

1527
01:22:10,240 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: it's not something Bills fans are used to. I can

1528
01:22:13,120 --> 01:22:15,519
Speaker 1: use my card that I love to use is I

1529
01:22:15,560 --> 01:22:18,120
Speaker 1: don't know anything else but a good Buffalo Bills team.

1530
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,680
Speaker 1: So my first draft round, Bills, we didn't even have

1531
01:22:21,720 --> 01:22:27,720
Speaker 1: a first round pick. So the NLI, Yeah, I mean,

1532
01:22:28,240 --> 01:22:31,599
Speaker 1: if they love this Notre Dame guy is and he's

1533
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:35,680
Speaker 1: around at your twenties do they trade up to get him?

1534
01:22:36,160 --> 01:22:38,479
Speaker 1: What do they have to sacrifice if they want to

1535
01:22:38,479 --> 01:22:40,960
Speaker 1: trade up. How many picks do they lose? Who's willing

1536
01:22:40,960 --> 01:22:43,639
Speaker 1: to talk to the Bills about trading up. So that's

1537
01:22:43,680 --> 01:22:47,080
Speaker 1: another interesting part of the conversation. If Matt Mulano does

1538
01:22:47,120 --> 01:22:49,040
Speaker 1: not come back to this team and he tests the

1539
01:22:49,600 --> 01:22:53,280
Speaker 1: free agent, he tests the waters in free agency and

1540
01:22:53,680 --> 01:22:56,439
Speaker 1: gets a better deal elsewhere, then then maybe you do

1541
01:22:56,560 --> 01:22:59,920
Speaker 1: start thinking we need a linebacker and we need to

1542
01:23:00,040 --> 01:23:01,720
Speaker 1: fill it in the draft if they can't fill it

1543
01:23:01,760 --> 01:23:04,759
Speaker 1: in the free agency, and we need a great player

1544
01:23:04,840 --> 01:23:07,720
Speaker 1: because we're only putting two linebackers on the field when

1545
01:23:07,720 --> 01:23:09,880
Speaker 1: our defense is on the field, So he's got to

1546
01:23:09,920 --> 01:23:14,160
Speaker 1: be someone who can contribute a lot to the defense.

1547
01:23:14,200 --> 01:23:17,599
Speaker 1: And maybe that means trading up. I don't know. Yeah,

1548
01:23:17,640 --> 01:23:20,479
Speaker 1: Steve is already a big proponent of trading up because

1549
01:23:20,479 --> 01:23:22,280
Speaker 1: he doesn't want to be sitting around that late on

1550
01:23:22,360 --> 01:23:24,719
Speaker 1: Thursday night, the first night of the draft. He's already

1551
01:23:24,720 --> 01:23:26,600
Speaker 1: telling Brandon like, we got a trade up because I

1552
01:23:26,600 --> 01:23:28,519
Speaker 1: don't want to be sitting around here at one in

1553
01:23:28,560 --> 01:23:32,320
Speaker 1: the morning waiting for pick thirty. So selfishly, he has

1554
01:23:32,360 --> 01:23:35,160
Speaker 1: already campaigning for a trade up in round one by

1555
01:23:35,200 --> 01:23:39,519
Speaker 1: the Bills. The other name that caught my eye was

1556
01:23:40,160 --> 01:23:43,840
Speaker 1: the edge rusher from Wake Forest. Bucky Brooks from NFL

1557
01:23:43,920 --> 01:23:47,360
Speaker 1: dot Com made this mock draft choice, Carlos Basham Junior

1558
01:23:48,080 --> 01:23:51,479
Speaker 1: and I've seen tape of this guy too, and I

1559
01:23:51,520 --> 01:23:54,760
Speaker 1: agree with Bucky Brooks's description of him. He said, explosive

1560
01:23:54,800 --> 01:23:58,639
Speaker 1: first step in violent hands. This guy makes three hundred

1561
01:23:58,640 --> 01:24:02,439
Speaker 1: pound offensive line look like they weigh two ten. I

1562
01:24:02,439 --> 01:24:04,080
Speaker 1: don't know how he does it because he's not as

1563
01:24:04,080 --> 01:24:06,400
Speaker 1: big as these guys, but he just tosses people out

1564
01:24:06,400 --> 01:24:10,120
Speaker 1: of the way. He is uncommonly strong for a guy

1565
01:24:10,240 --> 01:24:14,439
Speaker 1: his size, but he flashes on tape immediately. They actually

1566
01:24:14,439 --> 01:24:17,559
Speaker 1: had two good ends at Wake Forest, and so bash

1567
01:24:17,640 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 1: him and his teammate number eleven. I'm not going to

1568
01:24:19,800 --> 01:24:23,400
Speaker 1: know the guy's name. They worked very well together as

1569
01:24:23,439 --> 01:24:27,559
Speaker 1: a tandem, but I think a lot of people have

1570
01:24:27,640 --> 01:24:29,640
Speaker 1: him as an early second round pick. It would not

1571
01:24:29,760 --> 01:24:32,679
Speaker 1: shock me if he moves up the board and gets

1572
01:24:32,680 --> 01:24:35,000
Speaker 1: into this territory where the Bills are picking at the

1573
01:24:35,080 --> 01:24:37,320
Speaker 1: end of the first round. So that'll be something to

1574
01:24:37,400 --> 01:24:39,840
Speaker 1: keep an eye on as we get through the pro

1575
01:24:39,960 --> 01:24:42,240
Speaker 1: days here in the spring. But I think he's a

1576
01:24:42,240 --> 01:24:45,080
Speaker 1: guy that could fit the bill for what they're looking

1577
01:24:45,120 --> 01:24:48,080
Speaker 1: for off the edge. A guy with just natural pass

1578
01:24:48,160 --> 01:24:52,040
Speaker 1: rushing ability and athleticism and bend that I'm not sure.

1579
01:24:52,200 --> 01:24:55,280
Speaker 1: I'm not so sure they have in any one of

1580
01:24:55,280 --> 01:24:59,200
Speaker 1: their current players coming off the edge. And as you

1581
01:24:59,280 --> 01:25:02,040
Speaker 1: look at these mock drafts and the players coming out

1582
01:25:02,080 --> 01:25:04,720
Speaker 1: from college and the more tape that you watch, it

1583
01:25:04,760 --> 01:25:07,519
Speaker 1: seems like a lot of times. I mean, of course,

1584
01:25:07,600 --> 01:25:10,080
Speaker 1: these guys are younger, so they're going to be more athletic,

1585
01:25:10,160 --> 01:25:13,479
Speaker 1: but it seems like more often than not, you get

1586
01:25:13,520 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 1: more and more defensive players who can kind of play

1587
01:25:15,840 --> 01:25:19,400
Speaker 1: out of position or who are your position less defensive players,

1588
01:25:19,400 --> 01:25:22,320
Speaker 1: which has become a really popular term in the NFL now,

1589
01:25:22,800 --> 01:25:26,040
Speaker 1: having guys who maybe fit inside of a position but

1590
01:25:26,160 --> 01:25:29,320
Speaker 1: can do more than what their position says. So a

1591
01:25:29,400 --> 01:25:32,800
Speaker 1: player like that or someone else a linebacker or a

1592
01:25:32,880 --> 01:25:36,160
Speaker 1: corner who's more of a nickel. Those are always interesting

1593
01:25:36,200 --> 01:25:41,320
Speaker 1: conversations as you watch tape and see where college defensive

1594
01:25:41,320 --> 01:25:44,639
Speaker 1: coordinators put guys on defense and what they have to offer.

1595
01:25:44,680 --> 01:25:46,439
Speaker 1: There were a couple that came out of the draft

1596
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:50,920
Speaker 1: this past season who killed it in the NFL in

1597
01:25:50,960 --> 01:25:53,200
Speaker 1: their first year. And one of those players I'm thinking

1598
01:25:53,200 --> 01:25:56,080
Speaker 1: of is that Southern Illinois grad I can't think of

1599
01:25:56,080 --> 01:25:58,040
Speaker 1: his name off the top of my head, who had

1600
01:25:58,040 --> 01:26:00,920
Speaker 1: a good first season in the NFL. Yeah, he's gonna

1601
01:26:00,920 --> 01:26:04,120
Speaker 1: slip my mind too. Isn't it funny how like you prepare,

1602
01:26:04,200 --> 01:26:07,200
Speaker 1: you prepare, you prepare for the draft, and then all

1603
01:26:07,200 --> 01:26:09,599
Speaker 1: the players get picked by all these teams. You focus

1604
01:26:09,600 --> 01:26:11,840
Speaker 1: on the guys that go to your team, and every

1605
01:26:11,920 --> 01:26:14,000
Speaker 1: it's almost like, you know, you take the sat you

1606
01:26:14,080 --> 01:26:16,200
Speaker 1: study all that time to know like all the verbal

1607
01:26:16,240 --> 01:26:18,599
Speaker 1: stuff and the math stuff, and then you just flush

1608
01:26:18,640 --> 01:26:21,000
Speaker 1: it and a month later it's gone. I couldn't even

1609
01:26:21,040 --> 01:26:22,960
Speaker 1: tell you the guy from Southern Illinois if you ask

1610
01:26:23,040 --> 01:26:24,880
Speaker 1: me ten times, I wouldn't come up with it and

1611
01:26:25,000 --> 01:26:29,559
Speaker 1: get ten guests. Oh, yes, that's who it is. The safety. Yes,

1612
01:26:29,680 --> 01:26:35,040
Speaker 1: Jeremy chin Well, I needed help to get there first year. Yeah,

1613
01:26:35,080 --> 01:26:36,960
Speaker 1: all right, we are up against the break, but that

1614
01:26:37,120 --> 01:26:39,799
Speaker 1: is mock draft watch two point oh. Look for future

1615
01:26:39,880 --> 01:26:42,360
Speaker 1: versions on Buffalo bills dot Com from Maddie in the

1616
01:26:42,400 --> 01:26:44,840
Speaker 1: coming weeks as we get closer and closer and inch

1617
01:26:44,880 --> 01:26:48,080
Speaker 1: our way towards the NFL Draft. At the end of April,

1618
01:26:48,080 --> 01:26:50,439
Speaker 1: when Maddie and I return, we'll dip back into the

1619
01:26:50,479 --> 01:26:53,280
Speaker 1: OBL fan mail bag to answer more of your questions.

1620
01:26:53,600 --> 01:26:56,599
Speaker 1: And coming up in about fifteen minutes time, we'll be

1621
01:26:56,640 --> 01:27:00,240
Speaker 1: talking to Bill's Wall of Famer Butch Byrd, the all

1622
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:04,240
Speaker 1: time interception leader even now, we're going to talk with

1623
01:27:04,320 --> 01:27:08,360
Speaker 1: him about the nineteen sixty five AFL All Star Game

1624
01:27:08,800 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 1: as we kind of celebrate some of the people that

1625
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:14,080
Speaker 1: took a stand a long time ago during this Black

1626
01:27:14,120 --> 01:27:16,519
Speaker 1: History Month. Here coming up in a little bit on

1627
01:27:16,520 --> 01:27:18,799
Speaker 1: One Bill's Life, presented by Kalid to help It's Buffalo

1628
01:27:18,840 --> 01:27:33,360
Speaker 1: Bill's Radio. Welcome back to One Bill's Live. Chris Brown,

1629
01:27:33,400 --> 01:27:35,880
Speaker 1: Maddy Glab with you. We'll be talking with Bill's Wall

1630
01:27:35,920 --> 01:27:38,240
Speaker 1: of Famer Butch Bird and about ten minutes or so.

1631
01:27:39,080 --> 01:27:42,760
Speaker 1: Look forward to catching up with him, especially during this

1632
01:27:43,160 --> 01:27:46,639
Speaker 1: Black History Month with some of the stuff we're gonna

1633
01:27:46,640 --> 01:27:49,200
Speaker 1: talk to him about includes the nineteen sixty five AFL

1634
01:27:49,320 --> 01:27:51,439
Speaker 1: All Star Game and the protests that he and some

1635
01:27:51,479 --> 01:27:55,719
Speaker 1: of his Bill's teammates along with other AFL All Stars

1636
01:27:56,280 --> 01:28:00,360
Speaker 1: that we're black, decided to boycott the game because of

1637
01:28:00,400 --> 01:28:02,240
Speaker 1: the way they were treated down there in New Orleans.

1638
01:28:02,240 --> 01:28:07,400
Speaker 1: Back in sixty five. Unfortunate, but their stand obviously led

1639
01:28:07,439 --> 01:28:12,000
Speaker 1: to some groundbreaking changes in the NFL and in the

1640
01:28:12,000 --> 01:28:14,800
Speaker 1: city of New Orleans for that matter, especially at a

1641
01:28:14,880 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: city at that time that was looking for a professional

1642
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:19,840
Speaker 1: football team. They certainly didn't help themselves at the way

1643
01:28:19,880 --> 01:28:22,760
Speaker 1: they conducted themselves with those AFL All Stars in town.

1644
01:28:22,840 --> 01:28:25,120
Speaker 1: So we'll kind of take a trip back to nineteen

1645
01:28:25,200 --> 01:28:28,280
Speaker 1: sixty five with Butch. Look forward to doing that. We

1646
01:28:28,400 --> 01:28:31,479
Speaker 1: do want to get, though, back to the OBL fan

1647
01:28:31,680 --> 01:28:35,160
Speaker 1: mail bag, and Maddie Eli is up next. He says,

1648
01:28:35,160 --> 01:28:38,120
Speaker 1: I think Frank Reich was the piece that made Carson

1649
01:28:38,160 --> 01:28:42,800
Speaker 1: Wentz good. After Frank left, Carson went from superstar to

1650
01:28:42,960 --> 01:28:46,320
Speaker 1: super bad. What do you guys think? What's your take

1651
01:28:46,880 --> 01:28:52,719
Speaker 1: on Eli's question about the Carson wentzteal. I mean Carson

1652
01:28:52,760 --> 01:28:57,400
Speaker 1: Wentz is talented. I mean he was a talented quarterback

1653
01:28:57,479 --> 01:29:01,799
Speaker 1: beyond Frank Reich. Yes, probably his two best years twenty

1654
01:29:01,840 --> 01:29:06,479
Speaker 1: sixteen and twenty seventeen that Super Bowl season was when

1655
01:29:06,560 --> 01:29:10,040
Speaker 1: Frank Reich was his offensive coordinator. So I think Frank

1656
01:29:10,080 --> 01:29:12,840
Speaker 1: Rerech was probably a big part of that. But I

1657
01:29:12,840 --> 01:29:16,400
Speaker 1: don't think you can say Frank Reich is the sole

1658
01:29:16,439 --> 01:29:21,160
Speaker 1: reason why Carson Wentz went from Superstar to super Bad.

1659
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:24,800
Speaker 1: I'm sure there's other factors, and there were other factors.

1660
01:29:25,000 --> 01:29:29,040
Speaker 1: I'm very interested to see what's going to happen with

1661
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:31,320
Speaker 1: him as a part of the Colts, to see if

1662
01:29:31,400 --> 01:29:34,240
Speaker 1: he does have that resurgence in his career that he

1663
01:29:34,360 --> 01:29:37,599
Speaker 1: is looking for. I think that was the best place

1664
01:29:37,680 --> 01:29:40,880
Speaker 1: that he could go. I think Frank Reich is great

1665
01:29:40,960 --> 01:29:43,839
Speaker 1: with quarterbacks. I mean, he showed it with Carson Wentz.

1666
01:29:44,560 --> 01:29:47,080
Speaker 1: But I'm not sure if that's the reason why he

1667
01:29:47,120 --> 01:29:52,000
Speaker 1: went from Superstar to super Bad. What's your take on that. Yeah,

1668
01:29:51,160 --> 01:29:54,960
Speaker 1: there was a confluence of events in Philadelphia last year.

1669
01:29:54,960 --> 01:29:58,160
Speaker 1: It was an absolute disaster there. All the receivers were injured,

1670
01:29:58,520 --> 01:30:00,840
Speaker 1: a number of offensive lineman were injured. I saw a

1671
01:30:00,880 --> 01:30:04,400
Speaker 1: stat that said in the first fourteen weeks of the

1672
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:08,160
Speaker 1: twenty twenty regular season, the Eagles had thirteen different offensive

1673
01:30:08,200 --> 01:30:11,559
Speaker 1: line combinations. He was the most sack quarterback in the league,

1674
01:30:11,920 --> 01:30:14,760
Speaker 1: not surprisingly through the most interceptions in the league. But

1675
01:30:15,680 --> 01:30:18,840
Speaker 1: I think there were a lot of circumstances around him

1676
01:30:19,840 --> 01:30:24,360
Speaker 1: that were not in good standing to field a successful

1677
01:30:24,360 --> 01:30:26,960
Speaker 1: football team. And when you're the guy holding the ball

1678
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:31,360
Speaker 1: on every play. Sometimes when you see those deficiencies around you,

1679
01:30:31,360 --> 01:30:33,519
Speaker 1: you try to do too much to make something happen.

1680
01:30:33,560 --> 01:30:36,000
Speaker 1: And I think that's the trap that he fell into

1681
01:30:36,080 --> 01:30:38,400
Speaker 1: to a great degree. And then we're just learning today,

1682
01:30:38,439 --> 01:30:42,519
Speaker 1: Maddie that because I've seen some of the reports out

1683
01:30:42,520 --> 01:30:46,400
Speaker 1: of the Philly papers today that basically said that Whence

1684
01:30:46,640 --> 01:30:50,599
Speaker 1: and Doug Peterson did not speak to one another for

1685
01:30:50,640 --> 01:30:54,080
Speaker 1: the last eight weeks of the regular season. So just

1686
01:30:54,120 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 1: think about that for a second. This is this is

1687
01:30:57,400 --> 01:31:01,040
Speaker 1: not a head coach that just over sees everything. This

1688
01:31:01,120 --> 01:31:03,200
Speaker 1: is the guy that was putting the game plan in

1689
01:31:03,280 --> 01:31:07,559
Speaker 1: every week and the play call sheet, but he was

1690
01:31:07,640 --> 01:31:15,120
Speaker 1: not talking to the quarterback, like for eight weeks. I've

1691
01:31:15,160 --> 01:31:18,640
Speaker 1: never heard that in my life, Like, not for the

1692
01:31:18,680 --> 01:31:20,720
Speaker 1: guy that's calling the plays, you know what I mean? Like,

1693
01:31:20,800 --> 01:31:23,599
Speaker 1: all right, Sean McDermott does not put the offensive game

1694
01:31:23,640 --> 01:31:26,040
Speaker 1: plan together here in Buffalo every week, but even he

1695
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:30,160
Speaker 1: talks to Josh every week, you know, yeah, oh you

1696
01:31:30,160 --> 01:31:32,160
Speaker 1: feel good about the plan, you know, check in with him,

1697
01:31:32,200 --> 01:31:36,599
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. Doug Peterson was the offensive play

1698
01:31:36,640 --> 01:31:39,880
Speaker 1: caller for this team and didn't talk to the quarterback

1699
01:31:39,920 --> 01:31:41,679
Speaker 1: for eight I mean, I have a hard time believing

1700
01:31:41,680 --> 01:31:44,600
Speaker 1: the report. But if it's true, oh man, like that is.

1701
01:31:45,479 --> 01:31:47,400
Speaker 1: I don't know if it gets worse than that half

1702
01:31:47,400 --> 01:31:51,200
Speaker 1: a season you didn't talk to your coach? Yeah, or

1703
01:31:51,240 --> 01:31:54,160
Speaker 1: if it's an ounce of truth, even if it wasn't

1704
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:57,280
Speaker 1: eight weeks, even if it was four weeks or two weeks. Yeah,

1705
01:31:57,320 --> 01:32:01,799
Speaker 1: you can't operate a team and exist like at let alone.

1706
01:32:02,240 --> 01:32:06,920
Speaker 1: Come on, you're the older person. You're controlling this team

1707
01:32:07,000 --> 01:32:10,679
Speaker 1: and in ways that Carson Wentz can't. And that's how

1708
01:32:10,800 --> 01:32:15,040
Speaker 1: this relationship was based on these reports. I mean, come on,

1709
01:32:15,800 --> 01:32:19,040
Speaker 1: grow grow up. Yeah, I think I know, but I

1710
01:32:19,040 --> 01:32:21,280
Speaker 1: do agree with you. I think INDI was probably the

1711
01:32:21,280 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 1: best place that Carson Wentz could have landed. If there's

1712
01:32:23,560 --> 01:32:27,040
Speaker 1: anywhere where he's going to kind of re establish himself

1713
01:32:27,200 --> 01:32:30,240
Speaker 1: as a top quarterback in this league, it's it's with

1714
01:32:30,280 --> 01:32:33,080
Speaker 1: Frank there. I don't think he's the sole reason that,

1715
01:32:33,240 --> 01:32:35,720
Speaker 1: you know, his game trailed off, but I think he

1716
01:32:35,760 --> 01:32:38,639
Speaker 1: can certainly get back to that level. Again, he's only

1717
01:32:38,680 --> 01:32:41,040
Speaker 1: twenty eight, and you know he's he's and he's got

1718
01:32:41,120 --> 01:32:43,320
Speaker 1: a good team around him. Um, yes, they got to

1719
01:32:43,320 --> 01:32:46,599
Speaker 1: find a left tackle, but they have good receiver talent,

1720
01:32:47,320 --> 01:32:50,800
Speaker 1: decent tight end talent, really good running backs, and a

1721
01:32:50,920 --> 01:32:53,640
Speaker 1: really good defense, a young, up and coming defense, so

1722
01:32:53,720 --> 01:32:56,400
Speaker 1: he's got a complete team around him. I think one

1723
01:32:56,439 --> 01:32:58,559
Speaker 1: of the reasons Philip Rivers played so well last year

1724
01:32:58,680 --> 01:33:01,040
Speaker 1: was because of that complete team that was around him.

1725
01:33:01,040 --> 01:33:03,280
Speaker 1: He didn't really have to carry the load per se.

1726
01:33:03,680 --> 01:33:05,880
Speaker 1: And I don't think Carson Wentz is gonna have to either,

1727
01:33:05,960 --> 01:33:08,559
Speaker 1: So I think it's a very good situation that he

1728
01:33:08,600 --> 01:33:11,519
Speaker 1: finds himself in there. So it worked out well for him,

1729
01:33:11,960 --> 01:33:13,519
Speaker 1: because if he can't make it there, he's not gonna

1730
01:33:13,560 --> 01:33:17,639
Speaker 1: make it anywhere. So hopefully things turn out well for him.

1731
01:33:17,680 --> 01:33:20,120
Speaker 1: Maybe not to the degree that they start challenging the Bills,

1732
01:33:20,160 --> 01:33:22,680
Speaker 1: but you know, have fun in that division and do

1733
01:33:22,760 --> 01:33:24,559
Speaker 1: what you gotta do over there. All right, we are

1734
01:33:24,640 --> 01:33:26,760
Speaker 1: up against the break again. We'll try to get to

1735
01:33:26,800 --> 01:33:30,080
Speaker 1: some more obil fanmailback questions at the bottom of the hour,

1736
01:33:30,200 --> 01:33:33,160
Speaker 1: but coming up next is Bill's Wall of Famer Butch Byrd.

1737
01:33:33,520 --> 01:33:35,280
Speaker 1: He's gonna join us here in the third hour of

1738
01:33:35,320 --> 01:33:37,360
Speaker 1: the show. Chris Brown, Maddy glab with you back with

1739
01:33:37,439 --> 01:33:39,599
Speaker 1: more in a moment here on one Bill's Live, presented

1740
01:33:39,640 --> 01:33:58,320
Speaker 1: by Kalaid Health, It's Buffalo Bill's Radio had a Steve

1741
01:33:58,640 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 1: Tasker who has at on over the fields kind of unique.

1742
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:03,519
Speaker 1: He was kind of a dual role player for you,

1743
01:34:03,840 --> 01:34:10,920
Speaker 1: Steve a blimp. We're not even in the stratgyre of

1744
01:34:11,000 --> 01:34:16,639
Speaker 1: normalcy here. Welcome to our number three of one Bills Live.

1745
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,799
Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Maddie glad with you here on a Friday.

1746
01:34:19,800 --> 01:34:24,240
Speaker 1: It's an OBIL fan mailbag Friday, and we'll be getting

1747
01:34:24,240 --> 01:34:26,360
Speaker 1: back to some of those questions in just a moment.

1748
01:34:26,400 --> 01:34:30,519
Speaker 1: But we are waiting to be joined by Greater Buffalo

1749
01:34:30,600 --> 01:34:33,360
Speaker 1: Sports Hall of Fame member Butch Byrd, who will be

1750
01:34:33,640 --> 01:34:38,920
Speaker 1: joining us in just a few minutes. Here. We also, Maddie,

1751
01:34:39,000 --> 01:34:42,200
Speaker 1: are seeing a story from the Associated Press that is

1752
01:34:42,240 --> 01:34:47,160
Speaker 1: just coming down now, and it's confirming that Bill's linebacker

1753
01:34:47,200 --> 01:34:51,840
Speaker 1: Matt Milano will explore his options in free agency with

1754
01:34:51,920 --> 01:34:56,240
Speaker 1: Buffalo facing salary cap constraints. I don't think that's any surprise.

1755
01:34:56,800 --> 01:34:59,479
Speaker 1: I think the general consensus was that's going to happen.

1756
01:34:59,520 --> 01:35:03,479
Speaker 1: But now the AP is in fact confirming that. So

1757
01:35:03,800 --> 01:35:07,760
Speaker 1: I think what we anticipated is coming to fruition, And unfortunately,

1758
01:35:07,800 --> 01:35:12,000
Speaker 1: I think that means that one foot is unceremoniously probably

1759
01:35:12,040 --> 01:35:17,080
Speaker 1: out the door. Here yeah, I mean these reports are

1760
01:35:17,160 --> 01:35:22,400
Speaker 1: nothing that It's nothing that we didn't expect, right, I mean,

1761
01:35:23,120 --> 01:35:26,479
Speaker 1: his contract was up and we knew based on other

1762
01:35:26,520 --> 01:35:29,960
Speaker 1: free agents. Brandon Bean lets his free agents test the water.

1763
01:35:30,080 --> 01:35:33,519
Speaker 1: I mean, this is something that has happened for more

1764
01:35:33,560 --> 01:35:35,960
Speaker 1: than just Matt Milano. If that's the case for him,

1765
01:35:36,280 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 1: Brandon Bean likes them to test the market and to

1766
01:35:39,080 --> 01:35:42,000
Speaker 1: see what they're worth. And like you said earlier in

1767
01:35:42,040 --> 01:35:45,920
Speaker 1: the show, if he's worth more than than what Brandon

1768
01:35:46,000 --> 01:35:50,040
Speaker 1: Bean sets that number at, then he could walk to

1769
01:35:50,160 --> 01:35:52,760
Speaker 1: another team if that other team offers him more money.

1770
01:35:53,520 --> 01:35:56,439
Speaker 1: Shack Lawson is a great example of what happened last

1771
01:35:56,439 --> 01:35:59,240
Speaker 1: season for him. The Bills weren't able to afford to

1772
01:35:59,320 --> 01:36:02,719
Speaker 1: keep him on the defensive line. Jordan Phillips is another

1773
01:36:02,720 --> 01:36:05,360
Speaker 1: player who the Bills to not keep on the defensive line,

1774
01:36:05,360 --> 01:36:08,360
Speaker 1: and that's why we saw so many faces, new faces

1775
01:36:08,560 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 1: come into the defensive line group. Yeah, so we'll have

1776
01:36:11,920 --> 01:36:13,760
Speaker 1: to see how it plays out, but it certainly looks

1777
01:36:13,800 --> 01:36:16,640
Speaker 1: like it's heading in a certain direction and it'll be

1778
01:36:16,680 --> 01:36:19,200
Speaker 1: sad to see him go knowing he's going to be

1779
01:36:19,200 --> 01:36:21,559
Speaker 1: in demand on the free agent market, but that's the

1780
01:36:21,600 --> 01:36:24,240
Speaker 1: cost of doing business in the NFL. We do want

1781
01:36:24,280 --> 01:36:27,120
Speaker 1: to turn our attention now though, to the guest we

1782
01:36:27,439 --> 01:36:30,360
Speaker 1: can bring on board now. It is one member of

1783
01:36:30,400 --> 01:36:33,639
Speaker 1: the Greater Buffalo Sports Hall of Fame, a five time

1784
01:36:33,800 --> 01:36:38,080
Speaker 1: AFL All Star and still the Bills all time leader

1785
01:36:38,160 --> 01:36:41,800
Speaker 1: in career interceptions with forty and the all time leader

1786
01:36:41,800 --> 01:36:44,839
Speaker 1: in interception returns for touchdown with five. It is one

1787
01:36:44,880 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: Butch Bird joining us on the line. Butch, how you doing?

1788
01:36:47,240 --> 01:36:51,400
Speaker 1: Thanks for joining us here on a Friday, doing pretty good? Well,

1789
01:36:51,400 --> 01:36:54,320
Speaker 1: that's good to hear. You know. I know this is

1790
01:36:54,680 --> 01:36:56,920
Speaker 1: Black History Month, and part of the reason we wanted

1791
01:36:56,920 --> 01:36:58,800
Speaker 1: to get you on was to kind of take us

1792
01:36:58,840 --> 01:37:02,200
Speaker 1: back to the nine sixty five AFL All Star Game,

1793
01:37:02,200 --> 01:37:05,760
Speaker 1: which was really a seminal moment for not only you,

1794
01:37:05,960 --> 01:37:08,559
Speaker 1: but you know, all of your Bill's teammates that were

1795
01:37:08,600 --> 01:37:10,320
Speaker 1: down there as well. I know you were down there

1796
01:37:10,320 --> 01:37:15,000
Speaker 1: with Ernie Warlick, Golden Wheels and Cookie that year. Why

1797
01:37:15,000 --> 01:37:17,959
Speaker 1: don't you just take us to the beginning of that weekend,

1798
01:37:18,040 --> 01:37:21,360
Speaker 1: because from what I have read and from what I understand,

1799
01:37:22,400 --> 01:37:25,200
Speaker 1: the people that were organizing the game down there, along

1800
01:37:25,200 --> 01:37:29,760
Speaker 1: with the AFL Commissioner Joe Foss, that the General consensus was, Hey,

1801
01:37:30,000 --> 01:37:32,400
Speaker 1: feel free to bring your wives and children down. It's

1802
01:37:32,400 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 1: going to be a family event, this, that, and the other.

1803
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:38,719
Speaker 1: So I'm curious what your initial impressions were back then

1804
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:42,679
Speaker 1: as you were making plans to make your way down there. Well,

1805
01:37:42,720 --> 01:37:45,800
Speaker 1: let's see. First of all, I was very excited to

1806
01:37:45,880 --> 01:37:49,479
Speaker 1: be elected to the All Star team, and they had

1807
01:37:49,520 --> 01:37:53,120
Speaker 1: never been to New Orleans beforehand, so I was really

1808
01:37:53,120 --> 01:37:57,000
Speaker 1: excited to go. I got a phone call one day

1809
01:37:57,080 --> 01:38:01,960
Speaker 1: from Jack Horgan, who the VP of the Buffalo, and

1810
01:38:02,000 --> 01:38:04,280
Speaker 1: he asked me to come into his office, and I did,

1811
01:38:05,360 --> 01:38:08,920
Speaker 1: but not knowing why, and then the first words out

1812
01:38:08,960 --> 01:38:11,920
Speaker 1: of his mouth was, you know, you're going to have

1813
01:38:11,960 --> 01:38:15,360
Speaker 1: a good time in New Orleans. And I said to myself,

1814
01:38:15,439 --> 01:38:17,439
Speaker 1: why as he's saying that, Because of course I'm going

1815
01:38:17,479 --> 01:38:21,759
Speaker 1: to have a good time. But apparently some other black

1816
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:26,439
Speaker 1: ball players from other teams were a skeptical about playing

1817
01:38:26,560 --> 01:38:30,519
Speaker 1: in New Orleans, and they were from South and had

1818
01:38:30,600 --> 01:38:36,240
Speaker 1: reasons to be skeptical. So anyway, I got on the point,

1819
01:38:36,680 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 1: flew into New Orleans and approached the first cabby at

1820
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:47,160
Speaker 1: the airport, who happened to be white, and he says

1821
01:38:47,680 --> 01:38:50,760
Speaker 1: said to me, well, I'm on my break, so I

1822
01:38:50,800 --> 01:38:54,800
Speaker 1: said okay. So the next cab, Cabby was white and

1823
01:38:54,920 --> 01:38:59,160
Speaker 1: he had another plausible reason for not taking any to

1824
01:38:59,200 --> 01:39:01,920
Speaker 1: the hotel. But the third cab was the black guy

1825
01:39:02,560 --> 01:39:05,559
Speaker 1: and he came and he says, you must be one

1826
01:39:05,560 --> 01:39:08,840
Speaker 1: of the ballplayers coming to New Orleans. I said I am,

1827
01:39:08,920 --> 01:39:11,640
Speaker 1: and he says, I'll take you to the hotel. So

1828
01:39:11,760 --> 01:39:17,240
Speaker 1: we rode to the hotel. I was excited again just

1829
01:39:17,400 --> 01:39:21,040
Speaker 1: being in New Orleans for the first time. To the hotel,

1830
01:39:22,200 --> 01:39:26,000
Speaker 1: and one of the strangest things started happening was that

1831
01:39:26,200 --> 01:39:33,960
Speaker 1: the hotel clerk the at the desk, I walked up

1832
01:39:34,080 --> 01:39:38,559
Speaker 1: and he wouldn't look at me, and he says, could

1833
01:39:38,600 --> 01:39:42,479
Speaker 1: I help you, but never looked up. And I said,

1834
01:39:42,520 --> 01:39:44,800
Speaker 1: my name is Butch Burd, I'm here with the All

1835
01:39:44,800 --> 01:39:47,800
Speaker 1: Star team, blah blah bob, and he says, well, here's

1836
01:39:47,800 --> 01:39:51,200
Speaker 1: your keys. It's still never looking up. He said your

1837
01:39:51,280 --> 01:39:54,439
Speaker 1: room number is such and such. So I started to

1838
01:39:54,479 --> 01:39:59,400
Speaker 1: walk away, and not really thinking much about that, just

1839
01:39:59,520 --> 01:40:03,160
Speaker 1: happened to be there. And then true black ball players

1840
01:40:03,280 --> 01:40:08,120
Speaker 1: from from the team happened to enter the hotel and

1841
01:40:08,160 --> 01:40:13,479
Speaker 1: they were really upset. And they were upset because they

1842
01:40:13,520 --> 01:40:18,760
Speaker 1: were denied entrance to a restaurant on Bourbon Street, and

1843
01:40:18,840 --> 01:40:24,800
Speaker 1: they're just talking and just admitting how bad things were.

1844
01:40:26,040 --> 01:40:28,040
Speaker 1: But I still had my bag, so I said, let

1845
01:40:28,040 --> 01:40:29,799
Speaker 1: me go up to my room and put my bags

1846
01:40:29,840 --> 01:40:33,280
Speaker 1: away and then come back down and find somebody I know.

1847
01:40:34,160 --> 01:40:37,559
Speaker 1: I came back down, and by the time I got

1848
01:40:37,600 --> 01:40:41,640
Speaker 1: back to the hotel lobby, I would say maybe a

1849
01:40:41,680 --> 01:40:47,320
Speaker 1: dozen or so black ball players had gathered and each

1850
01:40:47,400 --> 01:40:53,519
Speaker 1: had a story about how he was being mistreated. I

1851
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:57,040
Speaker 1: didn't know. I recognized the faces, but I didn't know

1852
01:40:57,120 --> 01:41:00,840
Speaker 1: anybody there. So one of the guys said, well, let's

1853
01:41:00,880 --> 01:41:04,160
Speaker 1: go to some place where we could be comfortable, and

1854
01:41:04,920 --> 01:41:10,080
Speaker 1: they walked out to the cab stand and I fouled,

1855
01:41:10,680 --> 01:41:15,439
Speaker 1: and they took us to a place called what it was.

1856
01:41:15,479 --> 01:41:22,400
Speaker 1: The dude dropped in an all black establishment, and we

1857
01:41:22,520 --> 01:41:25,160
Speaker 1: all sat around. It was great music and so forth,

1858
01:41:25,880 --> 01:41:28,599
Speaker 1: and then we're there for about it maybe a half hour.

1859
01:41:28,800 --> 01:41:33,559
Speaker 1: Then Ernie lad the defensive tackle for the Chargers at

1860
01:41:33,560 --> 01:41:39,439
Speaker 1: the time, walked in and he was really upset. And

1861
01:41:39,920 --> 01:41:43,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if it was his size or the

1862
01:41:43,560 --> 01:41:48,640
Speaker 1: volume of his descent, but he was very impressive. And

1863
01:41:48,760 --> 01:41:50,559
Speaker 1: I was standing there looking at him, and he was

1864
01:41:50,600 --> 01:41:54,000
Speaker 1: talking about trying to get into a restaurant on Bourbon

1865
01:41:54,080 --> 01:41:58,080
Speaker 1: Street and a gun being pulled on him by one

1866
01:41:58,120 --> 01:42:01,799
Speaker 1: of the bouncers, and and they argued back and forth,

1867
01:42:02,080 --> 01:42:05,559
Speaker 1: and then the police showed up. Didn't take an active

1868
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:11,799
Speaker 1: role in this argument, but their presence was intimidating, according

1869
01:42:11,840 --> 01:42:18,040
Speaker 1: to Ernie. And but he was he was just he

1870
01:42:18,160 --> 01:42:21,880
Speaker 1: was led to believe things were different, and things weren't

1871
01:42:21,920 --> 01:42:29,760
Speaker 1: really that different at all. The following day, I got

1872
01:42:29,760 --> 01:42:34,599
Speaker 1: a phone call from a Cookie and he says there's

1873
01:42:34,600 --> 01:42:37,160
Speaker 1: a meeting being held at room and not to get

1874
01:42:37,200 --> 01:42:40,720
Speaker 1: the number, he says, you got to be there. So

1875
01:42:40,760 --> 01:42:43,719
Speaker 1: I said, okay. So I went to this room and

1876
01:42:43,760 --> 01:42:46,799
Speaker 1: it was packed with ball players, both white and black.

1877
01:42:48,360 --> 01:42:52,200
Speaker 1: And there were four guys who were leading the charge,

1878
01:42:52,240 --> 01:42:56,720
Speaker 1: if you will. One was Jack Kemp, the other was

1879
01:42:56,840 --> 01:43:04,679
Speaker 1: Ron Nicks, Cookie and Ernie Lad and each were too.

1880
01:43:04,920 --> 01:43:10,200
Speaker 1: Ernie and Cookie were against playing the game, and they

1881
01:43:10,200 --> 01:43:14,080
Speaker 1: were giving their reasons against playing the game in New Orleans,

1882
01:43:14,800 --> 01:43:18,519
Speaker 1: and the Mix and Kemp were giving their reasons why

1883
01:43:18,560 --> 01:43:21,720
Speaker 1: we should play the game. And as I said, the

1884
01:43:21,800 --> 01:43:26,479
Speaker 1: room was full of full of ball players that's listening,

1885
01:43:27,880 --> 01:43:30,479
Speaker 1: and the arguments went back and forth and so forth,

1886
01:43:30,520 --> 01:43:34,320
Speaker 1: and some of the guys would speak up. All most

1887
01:43:34,360 --> 01:43:39,400
Speaker 1: of the speakers were black. And the reason why, in

1888
01:43:39,520 --> 01:43:42,639
Speaker 1: my mind, the white guys didn't speak up because they

1889
01:43:42,640 --> 01:43:46,120
Speaker 1: weren't being treated the way the black guys were being treated.

1890
01:43:46,800 --> 01:43:53,800
Speaker 1: They were just listening. So anyway, I think about maybe

1891
01:43:53,800 --> 01:43:57,280
Speaker 1: a half hour into the discussions, or maybe a little

1892
01:43:57,280 --> 01:44:03,200
Speaker 1: bit longer, n Ron and Jack got a phone call

1893
01:44:03,280 --> 01:44:06,920
Speaker 1: from somebody and they left the meeting to talk to

1894
01:44:07,080 --> 01:44:15,240
Speaker 1: the promoters of the game, and they came back armed

1895
01:44:15,320 --> 01:44:19,600
Speaker 1: with why we should play the game. And one of

1896
01:44:19,640 --> 01:44:25,280
Speaker 1: the reasons Jack gave was that race relationships would be

1897
01:44:25,560 --> 01:44:28,920
Speaker 1: much enhanced if we played the game, and that went

1898
01:44:28,960 --> 01:44:33,240
Speaker 1: over like a lead balloon. The other reason was that

1899
01:44:33,560 --> 01:44:36,320
Speaker 1: the promoters were going to lose a lot of money

1900
01:44:36,320 --> 01:44:39,200
Speaker 1: if we didn't play the game, and again, no one

1901
01:44:39,280 --> 01:44:45,040
Speaker 1: cared about that at all either. So they talked and

1902
01:44:45,400 --> 01:44:49,559
Speaker 1: there was a lot of disagreement back and forth, and

1903
01:44:51,520 --> 01:44:56,559
Speaker 1: the black ball players from San Diego said, I'm sorry.

1904
01:44:56,720 --> 01:44:59,400
Speaker 1: They said, let's take a vote, and the black ball

1905
01:44:59,439 --> 01:45:03,719
Speaker 1: players from San Diego said, no matter how the vote went,

1906
01:45:04,640 --> 01:45:07,760
Speaker 1: play or not to play, they weren't playing. And they

1907
01:45:07,800 --> 01:45:12,960
Speaker 1: were getting the next plane out to San Diego. Well,

1908
01:45:13,000 --> 01:45:16,519
Speaker 1: at that the quid point Ron Mix, who was a

1909
01:45:16,600 --> 01:45:20,200
Speaker 1: charger at the time, said well, if my teammates are leaving,

1910
01:45:21,000 --> 01:45:26,200
Speaker 1: I'm leaving, and so that decided for everyone. Every of

1911
01:45:26,240 --> 01:45:33,880
Speaker 1: the meeting broke up and everyone headed to the airport. Everyone,

1912
01:45:35,000 --> 01:45:39,120
Speaker 1: I would say the black ball players especially, were nervous.

1913
01:45:40,520 --> 01:45:42,320
Speaker 1: No one wanted to be the last one out of

1914
01:45:42,360 --> 01:45:46,680
Speaker 1: New Orleans based on the situation. We got to the

1915
01:45:46,720 --> 01:45:51,960
Speaker 1: airport and we were we had our tickets, and then

1916
01:45:52,000 --> 01:45:56,440
Speaker 1: there was announcement that the plane from Buffalo had been delayed,

1917
01:45:57,400 --> 01:46:01,840
Speaker 1: and everyone just said, we're in trouble. It was just

1918
01:46:02,400 --> 01:46:07,200
Speaker 1: an apprehensive type of the atmosphere at the time, but

1919
01:46:07,800 --> 01:46:11,360
Speaker 1: nothing happened. We went back to everyone went home. But

1920
01:46:11,520 --> 01:46:13,960
Speaker 1: when we got home, we were told that the game

1921
01:46:14,080 --> 01:46:16,719
Speaker 1: was going to be in Houston. Get back on a plane,

1922
01:46:16,880 --> 01:46:21,479
Speaker 1: hit to Houston, and that's what we did. After the game,

1923
01:46:22,520 --> 01:46:26,080
Speaker 1: I came back to Buffalo and that's when I really

1924
01:46:26,280 --> 01:46:31,240
Speaker 1: began to realize just how significant the boycott had been.

1925
01:46:31,760 --> 01:46:34,720
Speaker 1: And at the time, there wasn't to call the boycott.

1926
01:46:35,600 --> 01:46:42,040
Speaker 1: It was called the boycott afterwards. Well, anyway, newspaper people

1927
01:46:42,160 --> 01:46:46,840
Speaker 1: from around the country were calling me wanting interviews as

1928
01:46:46,840 --> 01:46:51,559
Speaker 1: to what happened. And the upshot of the whole thing

1929
01:46:51,760 --> 01:46:56,240
Speaker 1: was that this was the first time black athletes had

1930
01:46:56,280 --> 01:47:01,920
Speaker 1: boycott at any event with any kind of success, and

1931
01:47:02,240 --> 01:47:08,000
Speaker 1: people had to pay attention to blacks uh in the

1932
01:47:08,080 --> 01:47:17,040
Speaker 1: professional leagues. We're demanding and that that sentiment lasted m

1933
01:47:17,560 --> 01:47:21,120
Speaker 1: constantly for about two weeks. I was getting phone calls

1934
01:47:21,120 --> 01:47:25,080
Speaker 1: and so forth, and I think it made a difference

1935
01:47:25,439 --> 01:47:33,559
Speaker 1: at least for a while. And that's my story. It

1936
01:47:33,560 --> 01:47:36,920
Speaker 1: took a lot of strength and courage for you guys

1937
01:47:37,000 --> 01:47:40,160
Speaker 1: to stand up like that and to say we're not

1938
01:47:40,200 --> 01:47:43,439
Speaker 1: going to play this game because we've been treated terribly

1939
01:47:43,560 --> 01:47:47,640
Speaker 1: by people in New Orleans and by people who have

1940
01:47:47,760 --> 01:47:50,559
Speaker 1: traveled into town from New Orleans for the game. And

1941
01:47:51,000 --> 01:47:54,640
Speaker 1: I think about what type of effect that had on

1942
01:47:54,680 --> 01:47:58,160
Speaker 1: the NFL at that time, and think about how important

1943
01:47:58,640 --> 01:48:02,200
Speaker 1: something like that was. Is u two events and two

1944
01:48:02,200 --> 01:48:04,679
Speaker 1: things that happened down the road when you think back

1945
01:48:04,720 --> 01:48:07,559
Speaker 1: to making that decision, to being in that room with

1946
01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:10,639
Speaker 1: those men making that decision and walking away and being

1947
01:48:10,720 --> 01:48:13,800
Speaker 1: worried about what would happen and the effects of what

1948
01:48:13,840 --> 01:48:18,439
Speaker 1: would happen, but seeing how the game eventually did get

1949
01:48:18,479 --> 01:48:22,120
Speaker 1: moved and you guys were able to do something successfully.

1950
01:48:23,040 --> 01:48:26,400
Speaker 1: Do you understand or do you think it had a

1951
01:48:26,520 --> 01:48:29,679
Speaker 1: bigger effect Now down the road as we are in

1952
01:48:29,680 --> 01:48:33,639
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one and seeing where this country is now,

1953
01:48:34,080 --> 01:48:36,679
Speaker 1: things that you guys did that that led the way

1954
01:48:36,760 --> 01:48:42,880
Speaker 1: for players in the future. Well, Quinland was the beginning

1955
01:48:42,920 --> 01:48:52,559
Speaker 1: of something great to happen. I just think that at

1956
01:48:52,560 --> 01:48:56,240
Speaker 1: that particular time, I mean I was twenty one or

1957
01:48:56,280 --> 01:49:04,040
Speaker 1: twenty two years old, one North didn't have the experience

1958
01:49:04,040 --> 01:49:07,679
Speaker 1: so some of the black ball players had in the South.

1959
01:49:09,000 --> 01:49:13,400
Speaker 1: So to be honest with you, I was just learning

1960
01:49:14,160 --> 01:49:20,160
Speaker 1: what racism was all about. I'd never had any personal

1961
01:49:20,760 --> 01:49:25,719
Speaker 1: major experiences in that vein. But some of the black

1962
01:49:25,720 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 1: guys were adamant that they weren't going to put up

1963
01:49:30,160 --> 01:49:35,719
Speaker 1: with the streatment. And besides, they were led to believe

1964
01:49:36,520 --> 01:49:40,000
Speaker 1: that things had changed and they were looking for change.

1965
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:46,000
Speaker 1: So I think that in future years, as as as

1966
01:49:46,040 --> 01:49:50,240
Speaker 1: we talked today, people remember those days, and I think

1967
01:49:50,240 --> 01:49:54,960
Speaker 1: it did have some effect on how the game progressed

1968
01:49:55,640 --> 01:50:01,320
Speaker 1: and how black ball players were treated. So, Butch and

1969
01:50:01,680 --> 01:50:04,960
Speaker 1: just to be clear in your storytelling, Ron Mix, the

1970
01:50:05,000 --> 01:50:08,599
Speaker 1: guy that supported his Chargers teammates. He was a white player,

1971
01:50:09,560 --> 01:50:11,439
Speaker 1: and one of the first white players to say, well,

1972
01:50:11,439 --> 01:50:14,200
Speaker 1: if you know my black teammates aren't playing that, I'm

1973
01:50:14,200 --> 01:50:16,800
Speaker 1: not going to play either. When you guys were all congregated,

1974
01:50:16,840 --> 01:50:21,880
Speaker 1: they're still down in New Orleans. My question though, is

1975
01:50:22,000 --> 01:50:25,280
Speaker 1: I'm curious, you know, in the conversations you may have

1976
01:50:25,320 --> 01:50:29,200
Speaker 1: had with your Bills teammates, Cookie, Albert Debenion, Ernie Warlick,

1977
01:50:29,240 --> 01:50:33,040
Speaker 1: who were all down there with you. Obviously, Elbert and

1978
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:35,360
Speaker 1: Ernie had grown up in the South, in Georgia and

1979
01:50:35,400 --> 01:50:37,880
Speaker 1: North Carolina. They were obviously exposed to a lot more

1980
01:50:37,880 --> 01:50:40,479
Speaker 1: of this prejudice than you were growing up in New

1981
01:50:40,600 --> 01:50:44,639
Speaker 1: York State. My question to you, though, is how much

1982
01:50:44,720 --> 01:50:50,360
Speaker 1: did this experience open your eyes and tune your antenna if,

1983
01:50:50,600 --> 01:50:56,479
Speaker 1: if you will, to that kind of prejudice after that, well,

1984
01:50:56,520 --> 01:51:01,200
Speaker 1: let's see, as far as my personal eyes, they were

1985
01:51:01,280 --> 01:51:05,680
Speaker 1: open wide, because again, I have never experienced anything like that,

1986
01:51:06,320 --> 01:51:10,639
Speaker 1: and I've never been afraid because of my race until

1987
01:51:11,479 --> 01:51:17,479
Speaker 1: that New Orleans episode. Some of the other guys, Ernie

1988
01:51:18,520 --> 01:51:24,760
Speaker 1: Warlick and Cookie and Eldert, they experienced it. They they

1989
01:51:24,920 --> 01:51:27,799
Speaker 1: knew what was going to happen. Or what could happen.

1990
01:51:28,280 --> 01:51:32,559
Speaker 1: I didn't. All I was doing is feeding off their

1991
01:51:32,640 --> 01:51:38,559
Speaker 1: fears than they be is more afraid than ever. I

1992
01:51:38,640 --> 01:51:42,719
Speaker 1: think about players also like Marlon Briscoe and Shack Harris

1993
01:51:42,760 --> 01:51:45,559
Speaker 1: and what they were able to give to the NFL

1994
01:51:45,640 --> 01:51:48,760
Speaker 1: and give to the game. And we were blessed with

1995
01:51:48,840 --> 01:51:52,080
Speaker 1: the opportunity to speak to Shack Harris first story that

1996
01:51:52,160 --> 01:51:55,679
Speaker 1: we're doing, and his stories of coming up and getting

1997
01:51:55,800 --> 01:51:59,160
Speaker 1: into the NFL and going through college ball were probably

1998
01:51:59,240 --> 01:52:02,360
Speaker 1: quite different from years since he grew up in the South,

1999
01:52:02,400 --> 01:52:05,559
Speaker 1: and when we were talking to him just about choosing

2000
01:52:05,640 --> 01:52:08,280
Speaker 1: to go to Grambling where he played college football, his

2001
01:52:08,320 --> 01:52:11,960
Speaker 1: answer was, I went to Grambling to play for Eddie Robinson,

2002
01:52:12,280 --> 01:52:14,439
Speaker 1: a great college football coach. But I also went to

2003
01:52:14,479 --> 01:52:17,920
Speaker 1: Grambling because I had no other choice. Schools were still

2004
01:52:17,960 --> 01:52:21,559
Speaker 1: segregated in the South when I was going into college football,

2005
01:52:21,560 --> 01:52:23,720
Speaker 1: and by the time I got to the NFL, it

2006
01:52:23,800 --> 01:52:27,599
Speaker 1: was my first experience being around white people, and I

2007
01:52:27,640 --> 01:52:31,000
Speaker 1: had to learn as a quarterback how I was supposed

2008
01:52:31,040 --> 01:52:33,519
Speaker 1: to lead a team full of white men when I

2009
01:52:33,560 --> 01:52:36,400
Speaker 1: had never really been around white people before. I didn't

2010
01:52:36,400 --> 01:52:39,040
Speaker 1: have that skill set, and he was able to find

2011
01:52:39,600 --> 01:52:42,599
Speaker 1: that leadership, and he talked about Marlon Briscoe as being

2012
01:52:42,640 --> 01:52:45,559
Speaker 1: someone who really helped him along the way, and several

2013
01:52:45,560 --> 01:52:48,280
Speaker 1: teammates that he had on his team during that time

2014
01:52:48,520 --> 01:52:51,680
Speaker 1: to help him fall into that leadership roles. But what

2015
01:52:51,760 --> 01:52:53,920
Speaker 1: do you think players like that gave to the game

2016
01:52:54,080 --> 01:52:57,000
Speaker 1: and gave to NFL based on their experiences and how

2017
01:52:57,040 --> 01:53:00,400
Speaker 1: you said, you know, it was different than you beingrown up,

2018
01:53:00,840 --> 01:53:03,080
Speaker 1: growing up in New York and going to somewhere like

2019
01:53:03,160 --> 01:53:06,639
Speaker 1: Boston University. Uh, it wasn't. It didn't seem like it

2020
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:08,720
Speaker 1: was too much of a jump to go into the

2021
01:53:08,880 --> 01:53:11,880
Speaker 1: NFL based on some of the experiences that these other

2022
01:53:11,920 --> 01:53:17,000
Speaker 1: players had. Well, I think I had as far as

2023
01:53:18,160 --> 01:53:22,400
Speaker 1: integrating myself with the team, I think I had a

2024
01:53:22,600 --> 01:53:26,400
Speaker 1: far easier time than some of the guys from the South,

2025
01:53:26,520 --> 01:53:30,240
Speaker 1: only because white ball players were the rule of the day.

2026
01:53:30,360 --> 01:53:32,479
Speaker 1: I played with white ball players all my life from

2027
01:53:32,479 --> 01:53:34,960
Speaker 1: my high school all the way up through powerte so

2028
01:53:35,040 --> 01:53:44,400
Speaker 1: there was no difference. That was quarterback. But he had

2029
01:53:44,400 --> 01:53:48,240
Speaker 1: a problem to start with, I mean, controlling the huddle,

2030
01:53:49,120 --> 01:53:55,080
Speaker 1: talking to white ball players, beginning it in to run

2031
01:53:55,120 --> 01:53:58,600
Speaker 1: the plays he called, and they would openly disagree with

2032
01:53:58,680 --> 01:54:02,880
Speaker 1: him because they he knew that at his young age,

2033
01:54:03,680 --> 01:54:08,880
Speaker 1: he was intimidated, if you will. He did get a

2034
01:54:09,840 --> 01:54:13,120
Speaker 1: he did get by that and became a great quarterback,

2035
01:54:13,439 --> 01:54:17,800
Speaker 1: but he struggled. I don't think Marlin struggled that much.

2036
01:54:18,800 --> 01:54:23,240
Speaker 1: I was a great athlete. I don't know where Marlin

2037
01:54:23,479 --> 01:54:26,760
Speaker 1: grew up, but he just seemed to have his act

2038
01:54:26,760 --> 01:54:30,639
Speaker 1: together all the time. But the last one I've got

2039
01:54:30,680 --> 01:54:33,720
Speaker 1: for you is, I'm curious, you know, having been part

2040
01:54:33,800 --> 01:54:38,720
Speaker 1: of such a groundbreaking event as the nineteen sixty sixty

2041
01:54:38,760 --> 01:54:41,920
Speaker 1: five AFL All Star Game boycott, and I'll call it

2042
01:54:42,000 --> 01:54:45,720
Speaker 1: that for you know, lack of a better term, how

2043
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:50,760
Speaker 1: much did the events that we saw last calendar year

2044
01:54:51,360 --> 01:54:56,480
Speaker 1: in terms of race relations affect you? Were you disheartened

2045
01:54:56,480 --> 01:54:59,760
Speaker 1: by it that here we are fifty some odd years

2046
01:55:00,840 --> 01:55:05,040
Speaker 1: and some of the same types of issues. You know,

2047
01:55:05,080 --> 01:55:08,080
Speaker 1: you just talk to us about how Ernie Ladd was,

2048
01:55:08,600 --> 01:55:13,440
Speaker 1: you know, harassed by police after being refused service at

2049
01:55:13,480 --> 01:55:17,240
Speaker 1: a restaurant, and here we are fifty years later and

2050
01:55:18,160 --> 01:55:22,120
Speaker 1: issues with police and race relations are still a major factor.

2051
01:55:22,240 --> 01:55:25,320
Speaker 1: So with all that took place last calendar year, I'm

2052
01:55:25,360 --> 01:55:27,440
Speaker 1: just curious for someone that was part of a groundbreaking

2053
01:55:27,480 --> 01:55:30,000
Speaker 1: event back in the mid sixties. How did how did

2054
01:55:30,080 --> 01:55:33,720
Speaker 1: it impact you this past year? Well, I think it

2055
01:55:33,880 --> 01:55:36,280
Speaker 1: wasn't just last year, but I think the last four

2056
01:55:36,440 --> 01:55:40,360
Speaker 1: years have set us ta tremendously. I hate to say that,

2057
01:55:40,640 --> 01:55:48,280
Speaker 1: but I believe it. For the very first time traveling

2058
01:55:48,360 --> 01:55:54,240
Speaker 1: outside and having a police car get behind me, I

2059
01:55:54,360 --> 01:55:59,240
Speaker 1: got nervous. One of the one of my best friends

2060
01:55:59,320 --> 01:56:02,920
Speaker 1: in Westboro, the town I lived in, was the former

2061
01:56:03,000 --> 01:56:05,800
Speaker 1: chief of police, and I went to him and I

2062
01:56:05,840 --> 01:56:09,720
Speaker 1: was telling him my story about how I was nervous

2063
01:56:09,800 --> 01:56:13,400
Speaker 1: when pop cars came behind me and it was all

2064
01:56:13,440 --> 01:56:17,760
Speaker 1: by chance, but he never knew. And he, you know,

2065
01:56:17,840 --> 01:56:20,080
Speaker 1: he kind of just sat down and said, you don't

2066
01:56:20,080 --> 01:56:23,840
Speaker 1: have anything to worry about about Westboro. You know, we're

2067
01:56:23,840 --> 01:56:28,480
Speaker 1: going to treat your right. But to answer your question, U,

2068
01:56:29,400 --> 01:56:32,080
Speaker 1: it just wasn't Westborough. It was all over. I mean,

2069
01:56:32,880 --> 01:56:36,360
Speaker 1: I didn't feel safe any longer. And I'm close to

2070
01:56:36,400 --> 01:56:42,840
Speaker 1: eighty years old now, and for this to happen, you know, this,

2071
01:56:42,840 --> 01:56:47,880
Speaker 1: this Floyd incident, the person in sat In Island who

2072
01:56:47,920 --> 01:56:54,160
Speaker 1: got strangled, the black guy. I mean, it's just and

2073
01:56:54,240 --> 01:57:00,360
Speaker 1: it seems pervasive, and I worry about that. I've got

2074
01:57:00,360 --> 01:57:07,120
Speaker 1: two older sons one is very opinionated. I mean, he's

2075
01:57:08,040 --> 01:57:13,520
Speaker 1: very bright, and uh, he'll argue with anyone about anything.

2076
01:57:14,400 --> 01:57:17,320
Speaker 1: And I worry about him driving and being stopped and

2077
01:57:18,480 --> 01:57:20,960
Speaker 1: you know, he's thinking he's in the right and what

2078
01:57:21,080 --> 01:57:27,120
Speaker 1: can happen. So we're in a dangerous time in my work,

2079
01:57:27,200 --> 01:57:32,640
Speaker 1: in my way of thinking. Um, I'm impressed. I just

2080
01:57:32,680 --> 01:57:35,840
Speaker 1: listened to Biden a little bit just about an hour ago,

2081
01:57:37,080 --> 01:57:40,600
Speaker 1: and he impresses me. But I just wonder, you know,

2082
01:57:42,120 --> 01:57:45,000
Speaker 1: how the country is going to act in the future.

2083
01:57:45,520 --> 01:57:49,480
Speaker 1: What what was it seventy three million people voting against him?

2084
01:57:50,240 --> 01:57:54,760
Speaker 1: I mean, that's that's amazing to me. So I'm worried.

2085
01:57:57,200 --> 01:57:59,320
Speaker 1: What do you think it will take to get this

2086
01:57:59,400 --> 01:58:03,440
Speaker 1: country to a place where you're not worried anymore, and

2087
01:58:03,880 --> 01:58:07,920
Speaker 1: you're not worried for your sons and you feel at

2088
01:58:07,960 --> 01:58:10,600
Speaker 1: ease when people walk into the world. That I hate

2089
01:58:10,680 --> 01:58:13,720
Speaker 1: that a group of people and several groups of people

2090
01:58:14,160 --> 01:58:17,320
Speaker 1: feel like they're they're not equal in this world. And

2091
01:58:17,600 --> 01:58:20,840
Speaker 1: it's obvious in several different ways. You know, we can

2092
01:58:20,880 --> 01:58:23,800
Speaker 1: wake up and and I see racism in front of me,

2093
01:58:23,960 --> 01:58:26,480
Speaker 1: and I watch it happen to people, and I want

2094
01:58:26,480 --> 01:58:29,000
Speaker 1: to be there to take a stand and to um

2095
01:58:29,320 --> 01:58:33,120
Speaker 1: push for equality for all, because it is not fair

2096
01:58:33,240 --> 01:58:36,080
Speaker 1: what people like you and your sons have to go

2097
01:58:36,160 --> 01:58:38,520
Speaker 1: through just because they have a different color of skin.

2098
01:58:38,600 --> 01:58:41,320
Speaker 1: So what do you think it's going to take it?

2099
01:58:41,400 --> 01:58:43,680
Speaker 1: Is it not fostering hate in your heart and having

2100
01:58:43,720 --> 01:58:49,360
Speaker 1: more love? Well, what I really believe is we have

2101
01:58:49,440 --> 01:58:54,480
Speaker 1: to address just not talk about it, but really do

2102
01:58:54,600 --> 01:58:59,920
Speaker 1: something about it. For instance, when I hear about how

2103
01:59:00,840 --> 01:59:06,360
Speaker 1: black and brown people aren't getting the vaccine as compared

2104
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:10,160
Speaker 1: to the number of whites, that raises a question, and

2105
01:59:10,280 --> 01:59:15,280
Speaker 1: I'm why is that happening? Um, in this day and age.

2106
01:59:17,760 --> 01:59:24,000
Speaker 1: I just think that there's a level of cannimosity towards

2107
01:59:24,840 --> 01:59:30,160
Speaker 1: people who are different that I thought we were virtually passed.

2108
01:59:31,080 --> 01:59:37,280
Speaker 1: But I don't. I don't believe it's that's true any longer. Um.

2109
01:59:38,440 --> 01:59:44,640
Speaker 1: What has to happen, I think impo, you know, employments,

2110
01:59:45,120 --> 01:59:49,520
Speaker 1: getting people back to work, getting people's minds off their problems,

2111
01:59:50,000 --> 01:59:55,400
Speaker 1: because somehow I believe people think their problems are being

2112
01:59:55,440 --> 02:00:02,120
Speaker 1: caused by people like me, Um, Michael, which is I

2113
02:00:02,120 --> 02:00:05,680
Speaker 1: don't think I'm being facetious that people always want to

2114
02:00:05,680 --> 02:00:10,560
Speaker 1: blame somebody else for things that have happened bad and

2115
02:00:10,680 --> 02:00:15,400
Speaker 1: now it's just it's great. It's despite the former president.

2116
02:00:16,240 --> 02:00:22,640
Speaker 1: When the blackball players were taking a knee, why get

2117
02:00:22,680 --> 02:00:28,120
Speaker 1: involved in that. I mean, that's the right. Whether I

2118
02:00:28,160 --> 02:00:31,880
Speaker 1: agree with it or not, it's their right. And for

2119
02:00:32,080 --> 02:00:35,640
Speaker 1: them for him to say, oh one, wouldn't it be

2120
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Speaker 1: great for someone to fire them and to get them

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Speaker 1: off the field. I mean, all that does is to

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Speaker 1: separate separate everyone from from each other. Yeah, unfortunately, which

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02:00:48,680 --> 02:00:50,840
Speaker 1: we are at a time. But we appreciate the time

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Speaker 1: you gave us and shedding some light on what was

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02:00:53,200 --> 02:00:58,320
Speaker 1: a very momentous moment, a very momentous act by you

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Speaker 1: and your fellow players in the AFL back in nineteen

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Speaker 1: sixty five. We appreciate you taking us back to that

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Speaker 1: time and letting us know how it is. I don't

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Speaker 1: think there's any debate on our parts that the country

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Speaker 1: is very divided and for reasons that for some of

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Speaker 1: us is still difficult for us to understand. I think

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Speaker 1: more people, instead of getting offended by the actions and

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02:01:20,800 --> 02:01:24,320
Speaker 1: the protests, need to be asking why people are taking

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Speaker 1: those actions and protests instead of getting offended by them,

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Speaker 1: and maybe if they take the time to try to

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Speaker 1: understand we can make some headway in this area. But

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Speaker 1: thanks very much, Butch for your time. We do appreciate it,

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Speaker 1: and all the best too in your family going forward.

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Speaker 1: Very good. Thank you. All right, take care of Butch.

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Speaker 1: Be safe out there. Butch Byrd Bills a Greater Buffalo

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Speaker 1: Sports Hall of Fame member. I thought he was on

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Speaker 1: the Bill's Wall of Fame. Maddie and I looked it up.

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Speaker 1: He is not. It is shocking to me that the

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Speaker 1: guy that is the all time leader in interceptions with

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Speaker 1: forty has five interception returns for touchdowns is not on

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Speaker 1: the Bill's Wall of fame. We may have to start

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02:02:03,920 --> 02:02:06,680
Speaker 1: a campaign for that guy because my word, I mean,

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02:02:06,760 --> 02:02:10,600
Speaker 1: forty interceptions in a career is pretty dang good. And

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Speaker 1: it's the best buy a bill ever. So I don't know.

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Speaker 1: That guy's got to get some consideration, as I see,

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02:02:16,840 --> 02:02:20,640
Speaker 1: maybe we need a veterans committee to put together. I

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02:02:20,760 --> 02:02:22,640
Speaker 1: like it. That's a good idea. I'm all for it.

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02:02:22,760 --> 02:02:25,440
Speaker 1: Signed me up. Yeah, we are up against the break,

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02:02:25,480 --> 02:02:28,600
Speaker 1: but when Maddie and I return, we will get back

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02:02:28,640 --> 02:02:30,920
Speaker 1: into the OBIL fan mail bag. Try to answer a

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Speaker 1: few more questions before we wrap it up here. On

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Speaker 1: a Friday on One Bill's Live, presented by Kalida Health.

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Speaker 1: This is Buffalo Bill's Radio. Welcome back to One Bill's Live.

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Speaker 1: Chris Brown, Maddie glab with you here on a Friday

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Speaker 1: as my earpiece decided to pop out and in an

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Speaker 1: opportune time back in there we go. Good conversation that

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02:03:09,840 --> 02:03:12,480
Speaker 1: we had there with butch Bird kind of eye opening two.

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Speaker 1: Not that we really didn't know too many of the details,

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02:03:15,320 --> 02:03:17,880
Speaker 1: Maddie about what went down in nineteen sixty five, but

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Speaker 1: getting that personal perspective, certainly the stuff about the airport,

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02:03:21,480 --> 02:03:24,720
Speaker 1: trying to not be the last, you know, black player

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02:03:24,760 --> 02:03:27,240
Speaker 1: out of town with the way things were going. My god,

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Speaker 1: I can't even imagine those kinds of feelings. But for

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Speaker 1: people like you and me, those are things that we

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02:03:32,240 --> 02:03:36,200
Speaker 1: need to hear, to be more attuned to, you know,

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Speaker 1: what goes through a black person's head, even in this

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Speaker 1: day and age. Unfortunately, it's it's you know, and hearing

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Speaker 1: the details of nineteen sixty five, I'm thinking of myself,

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Speaker 1: My god, this isn't all that different from what we

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Speaker 1: were watching this past summer. It's just very disheartening. And

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Speaker 1: that's and that's for me as a white person. I mean,

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine how disheartening it is for people in

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Speaker 1: the black community. So I mean, it's good that we

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02:03:59,360 --> 02:04:01,320
Speaker 1: shed some light on it, but still it's it's hard

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02:04:01,360 --> 02:04:05,120
Speaker 1: not to get frustrated by it. Yeah, I agree. I'm

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02:04:05,160 --> 02:04:07,800
Speaker 1: just so thankful that we have people like Butch Bird

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Speaker 1: and several people that you'll see in this story that

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02:04:10,560 --> 02:04:13,920
Speaker 1: gets released here next week that can share their stories

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02:04:13,920 --> 02:04:18,160
Speaker 1: and their experiences because we learn as white people, I

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02:04:18,200 --> 02:04:21,560
Speaker 1: think a lot by listening to their stories and getting

2186
02:04:21,560 --> 02:04:24,400
Speaker 1: to hear what they dealt with, which was a completely

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02:04:24,480 --> 02:04:27,160
Speaker 1: different America than you and I grew up in, Chris,

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02:04:27,240 --> 02:04:30,680
Speaker 1: So being able to hear those stories, understand those stories,

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02:04:30,720 --> 02:04:34,920
Speaker 1: and then figure out how we can help as white people,

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02:04:35,000 --> 02:04:40,080
Speaker 1: make this in America and a world that is for equality,

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02:04:40,560 --> 02:04:43,360
Speaker 1: in a world where they can walk outside and they

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02:04:43,800 --> 02:04:45,800
Speaker 1: they can drive by a cop car and not be

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02:04:45,920 --> 02:04:49,680
Speaker 1: scared for their lives. Right. So a good conversation there,

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Speaker 1: and be sure to look on Buffalo Bills dot Com

2195
02:04:51,640 --> 02:04:54,800
Speaker 1: next week for Maddie's story on that. During this Black

2196
02:04:55,160 --> 02:04:57,880
Speaker 1: History Month. On a much lighter note, we go to

2197
02:04:57,920 --> 02:05:01,280
Speaker 1: the OBIL fan mail bag, where a lot of your

2198
02:05:01,320 --> 02:05:05,080
Speaker 1: questions are sitting and waiting for us CW says, we

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02:05:05,200 --> 02:05:07,440
Speaker 1: definitely could use a great pass rusher, but do you

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02:05:07,480 --> 02:05:10,040
Speaker 1: feel that our d line is undersized? Now, this is

2201
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Speaker 1: not the first person that has raised this question, Mattie

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02:05:12,680 --> 02:05:16,800
Speaker 1: and I think it deals primarily with the defensive tackle position,

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02:05:17,240 --> 02:05:19,600
Speaker 1: which we know will be helped next year by the

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02:05:19,680 --> 02:05:25,360
Speaker 1: return of star Lotulelee. But beyond him, is it undersized?

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Speaker 1: I think when you think about players like Quentin Jefferson,

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02:05:29,200 --> 02:05:32,400
Speaker 1: he's probably on the lighter end of defensive tackles, but

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02:05:32,560 --> 02:05:34,880
Speaker 1: Vernon Butler is not. He's three to thirty. Ed Oliver

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02:05:35,080 --> 02:05:36,880
Speaker 1: is at two eighty five, but he's supposed to be

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Speaker 1: a penetrating type player. Harrison Phillips goes three ten, Zimmer's

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02:05:41,120 --> 02:05:44,680
Speaker 1: about three hundred. So I don't know what do you think,

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02:05:44,800 --> 02:05:46,600
Speaker 1: because this has got to be pointed at the defensive

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02:05:46,640 --> 02:05:51,000
Speaker 1: tackle position here right, Yeah, I would think it's at

2213
02:05:51,000 --> 02:05:54,440
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle position because I feel like defensive ends

2214
02:05:54,520 --> 02:05:57,320
Speaker 1: just keep getting lighter and lighter, to the point where

2215
02:05:58,080 --> 02:06:00,520
Speaker 1: if you look at them sometimes you would be like, oh,

2216
02:06:00,640 --> 02:06:03,200
Speaker 1: is that an outside linebacker? Oh no, there there are

2217
02:06:03,320 --> 02:06:05,720
Speaker 1: defensive end But I just think that's the way that

2218
02:06:05,720 --> 02:06:08,080
Speaker 1: the league has trended in and what you're seeing now

2219
02:06:08,120 --> 02:06:11,200
Speaker 1: more in college. I mean working for the University of

2220
02:06:11,280 --> 02:06:14,040
Speaker 1: Tennessee for the four years that I did UM, there

2221
02:06:14,120 --> 02:06:17,080
Speaker 1: were there were guys that would that would rotate between

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Speaker 1: defensive end and outside linebackers. Sometimes our defense when I

2223
02:06:21,120 --> 02:06:23,560
Speaker 1: worked there, switched from a four three to a three four,

2224
02:06:24,400 --> 02:06:26,760
Speaker 1: and our guys on the end moved to the outside

2225
02:06:26,760 --> 02:06:29,360
Speaker 1: linebacker spot when they switched to a three four. So

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Speaker 1: I just think with the passing league that we have

2227
02:06:32,280 --> 02:06:35,040
Speaker 1: and how quick and fast and that twitch that you

2228
02:06:35,080 --> 02:06:38,280
Speaker 1: have to have off the line of a scrimmage translates

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02:06:38,400 --> 02:06:40,840
Speaker 1: to guys weighing a little bit less. But yeah, and

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02:06:40,960 --> 02:06:43,920
Speaker 1: in the middle, you would think meteor and heavier guys.

2231
02:06:44,400 --> 02:06:49,040
Speaker 1: M guys who can stop those holes from from coming open,

2232
02:06:49,120 --> 02:06:52,000
Speaker 1: and guys who can be in those gaps. I would say,

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02:06:52,080 --> 02:06:55,640
Speaker 1: maybe we do have a little bit lighter of of

2234
02:06:55,720 --> 02:06:58,440
Speaker 1: an inside of the defensive line. I gotta be honest.

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02:06:58,480 --> 02:07:00,880
Speaker 1: When I came to the bills, that's kind of what

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02:07:01,000 --> 02:07:03,240
Speaker 1: I thought was, Okay, our guys are a little bit

2237
02:07:03,280 --> 02:07:06,560
Speaker 1: smaller on the inside, but sometimes guys weigh less on

2238
02:07:06,600 --> 02:07:09,920
Speaker 1: the inside, because that's that's what your defensive coordinator wants,

2239
02:07:09,960 --> 02:07:11,960
Speaker 1: based on how you want these guys to move and

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Speaker 1: based on what type of defense you're running. I don't

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Speaker 1: think it's to the point where you're thinking, Okay, we

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Speaker 1: need a heavy defensive tackle and the draft or in

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02:07:22,240 --> 02:07:25,720
Speaker 1: free agency. I don't look at it in that sense,

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02:07:25,960 --> 02:07:29,160
Speaker 1: in a way where it's limiting the Bill's defensive line

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Speaker 1: at all. Yeah. I mean, as we said, they'll get

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02:07:31,760 --> 02:07:34,560
Speaker 1: a bigger player that can handle two blockers and Star

2247
02:07:34,720 --> 02:07:37,760
Speaker 1: coming back now he's getting to the end of his contract,

2248
02:07:37,840 --> 02:07:41,880
Speaker 1: so maybe a draft prospect is added, you know, of

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02:07:41,960 --> 02:07:47,240
Speaker 1: similar size and stature, you know, in preparation for maybe

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Speaker 1: losing Star, you know, should he get to the end

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02:07:50,120 --> 02:07:52,560
Speaker 1: of his contract and you know, age thirty two season

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02:07:52,600 --> 02:07:55,200
Speaker 1: and all of that. So I wonder if that's done.

2253
02:07:55,240 --> 02:07:58,200
Speaker 1: But all all indications are it's not a very strong

2254
02:07:58,320 --> 02:08:01,480
Speaker 1: defensive tackle class this year. There are some that will

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Speaker 1: take you up through Day two, but beyond that, from

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Speaker 1: what I understand, there is a drop off after that.

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Speaker 1: So be interesting to see if they choose to add there.

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02:08:10,520 --> 02:08:13,080
Speaker 1: Knowing the run defense was twentieth in the league last year,

2259
02:08:13,120 --> 02:08:16,200
Speaker 1: which is certainly not where they want to be. And

2260
02:08:16,400 --> 02:08:18,960
Speaker 1: winning at the line of scrimmage wasn't a weekly thing

2261
02:08:19,040 --> 02:08:21,640
Speaker 1: for them on a consistent basis, So you wonder what

2262
02:08:21,720 --> 02:08:25,920
Speaker 1: steps they take to address that. Corey says, he goes

2263
02:08:25,960 --> 02:08:27,839
Speaker 1: to the other side of the line. Can you explain

2264
02:08:27,880 --> 02:08:29,800
Speaker 1: why everyone wants to bring back the same old line

2265
02:08:29,800 --> 02:08:31,920
Speaker 1: when it's clear run blocking was a major issue. Who

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Speaker 1: on the old line was the weak link in the

2267
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Speaker 1: run blocking? Well, Corey, I don't know if we can

2268
02:08:36,720 --> 02:08:40,240
Speaker 1: definitively pinpoint it, but I think we do know that

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Speaker 1: Brian Winters, who was a starter in the early portions

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Speaker 1: of the season, soon found a spot on the bench

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02:08:45,600 --> 02:08:47,320
Speaker 1: when they looked for what they felt had to be

2272
02:08:47,400 --> 02:08:51,120
Speaker 1: a better combination up front, and Brian Winters was in

2273
02:08:51,280 --> 02:08:55,120
Speaker 1: essence a backup for the rest of the year. They

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02:08:55,200 --> 02:08:59,160
Speaker 1: never really had the starting line that they envisioned from

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02:08:59,200 --> 02:09:01,720
Speaker 1: the beginning of the season because Feliciano was out with

2276
02:09:01,760 --> 02:09:04,920
Speaker 1: the torn peck and then Cody Ford went down with

2277
02:09:04,960 --> 02:09:10,080
Speaker 1: the season ending injury, and you even had Mitch Morse

2278
02:09:11,000 --> 02:09:13,480
Speaker 1: miss a game with a concussion and then he was

2279
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Speaker 1: out of the lineup for another week when coach wanted

2280
02:09:15,760 --> 02:09:19,520
Speaker 1: to look at a different line combination. So I don't

2281
02:09:19,560 --> 02:09:22,600
Speaker 1: think that people necessarily want to bring everybody back. I

2282
02:09:22,600 --> 02:09:26,440
Speaker 1: would say, and you can tell me if you feel differently, Maddie.

2283
02:09:27,080 --> 02:09:29,960
Speaker 1: In terms of the free agents that they have, I

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02:09:30,000 --> 02:09:33,400
Speaker 1: would say priority number one is Darryl Williams, who really

2285
02:09:33,440 --> 02:09:36,440
Speaker 1: did an outstanding job and was an unsung hero in

2286
02:09:36,520 --> 02:09:39,120
Speaker 1: terms of anchoring down the right tackle position for this

2287
02:09:39,160 --> 02:09:43,040
Speaker 1: team last year. Yeah, I think Daryl Williams is high

2288
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Speaker 1: on that list. I also think John Feliciano is high

2289
02:09:46,120 --> 02:09:49,360
Speaker 1: on that list just based off of what he added

2290
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Speaker 1: off the field. I just think about, and I talked

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Speaker 1: about this on Monday and Tuesday, just how highly he

2292
02:09:55,360 --> 02:09:57,840
Speaker 1: was spoken of by his teammates when he returned to

2293
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Speaker 1: the field. John Feliciano was savage. John Feliciano is this

2294
02:10:02,240 --> 02:10:05,040
Speaker 1: and that it seems like the entire team and on

2295
02:10:05,080 --> 02:10:07,960
Speaker 1: the offensive side of the ball, really loved what he

2296
02:10:08,080 --> 02:10:10,880
Speaker 1: brought to the game. And to see him shift along

2297
02:10:10,880 --> 02:10:13,520
Speaker 1: the offensive line two and still have an impact when

2298
02:10:13,560 --> 02:10:16,080
Speaker 1: he was playing center those couple of games where the

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Speaker 1: run game actually got going with him at center, I

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Speaker 1: think he is important in that conversation as well. But

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Speaker 1: I when we had Ruben Brown on earlier this week,

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Speaker 1: a former offensive lineman. I was kind of saying, well,

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Speaker 1: this offensive line is built to pass the ball. It's

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Speaker 1: a pass heavy offense. That has been their identity this

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Speaker 1: past season. They're not going away from it next season. Yes,

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Speaker 1: you need the run game, but this offensive line strength

2307
02:10:46,760 --> 02:10:49,960
Speaker 1: is in pass blocking. And he was corrected me a

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02:10:50,000 --> 02:10:51,880
Speaker 1: little bit and was like, well, you you know what,

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Speaker 1: they're NFL players and NFL players. NFL offensive lineman need

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02:10:57,640 --> 02:10:59,680
Speaker 1: to be able to run block two. You can't just

2311
02:10:59,720 --> 02:11:02,480
Speaker 1: be a one trick pony in the NFL. If you're

2312
02:11:02,520 --> 02:11:04,440
Speaker 1: playing on offensive line, you need to be able to

2313
02:11:04,480 --> 02:11:07,960
Speaker 1: pass block as good as you can run block right,

2314
02:11:08,040 --> 02:11:10,800
Speaker 1: and that's what has to be brought up to snuff

2315
02:11:11,080 --> 02:11:13,600
Speaker 1: the run blocking ability of this line. So it's gonna

2316
02:11:13,600 --> 02:11:17,360
Speaker 1: be interesting to see what level of change the offensive

2317
02:11:17,360 --> 02:11:20,800
Speaker 1: line undergoes to improve in a way that the coaching

2318
02:11:20,840 --> 02:11:23,400
Speaker 1: staff in the front office feels they need to to

2319
02:11:23,480 --> 02:11:26,200
Speaker 1: take that next step and be a more balanced group

2320
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Speaker 1: in terms of their abilities blocking in the run and

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Speaker 1: the pass game. And we're out of time. Sorry we

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Speaker 1: didn't get to more of your questions here on the

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Speaker 1: OBL fan mail bag. Manny and I back to wrap

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Speaker 1: things up here. On a Friday on One Bill's Live,

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Speaker 1: presented by Kali to help. This is Buffalo Bill's Radio

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Speaker 1: Time for What have we learned from today's show? Brought

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Speaker 1: can honestly say, Mattie, we learned a lot from Butch

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Speaker 1: Bird today. I think it was much as a history

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Speaker 1: lesson as it was a lesson in race relations or

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Speaker 1: failure of race relations at the highest degree. With the

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Speaker 1: city of New Orleans not looking too good back in

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Speaker 1: nineteen sixty five. I'm still struck by the mass exodus

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Speaker 1: to get out of there as fast as they could.

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Speaker 1: I mean, that's just sticking with me. It's gonna stick

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Speaker 1: with me the whole weekend. I can't imagine that. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I cannot believe what he went through, what a lot

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Speaker 1: of players went through. But I think it's important to

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Speaker 1: keep this narrative going. I mean, this was a part

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Speaker 1: of our conversation during the summer, and I'm glad we're

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Speaker 1: talking about it again here in Black History Month. But

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Speaker 1: I think it's important that a lot of people continue

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Speaker 1: to read, continue to listen, continue the work beyond February

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Speaker 1: and beyond this summer, because it's truly important and it's

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Speaker 1: it's a part of being I think a good human

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Speaker 1: and making sure where we live is acceptable for everyone.

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Speaker 1: So I'm glad we were able to have him on

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Speaker 1: today and continue that conversation. Yeah, well said, and once again,

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Speaker 1: keep an eye out for that story which will be

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Speaker 1: coming your way. I think it's midweek next week, Maddie.

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Speaker 1: Is that when it's due to come on mid week

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Speaker 1: next week? We're racing to the deadline here. Yeah, no

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Speaker 1: pressure right now that I've now that I've built this

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Speaker 1: story up. Now Maddie's got to come through here. But

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Speaker 1: be on the lookout for it on Buffalo Bills dot

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Speaker 1: Com midweek next week. That'll do it for this edition

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Speaker 1: here on a Friday of One Bills Live. But Maddie

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Speaker 1: and I'll rerack it and do it all over again

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Speaker 1: on Monday, as Steve will be traveling back from the

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Speaker 1: New York metropolitan area, but we will be here for

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Speaker 1: you from noon to three on Monday. From Maddie Glab,

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Speaker 1: I'm Chris Brown. Have a great weekend, everybody. Thanks for

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