1 00:00:12,520 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 1: Hello, I'm good. How are you? Nice to meet you? 2 00:00:17,480 --> 00:00:19,680 Speaker 2: Nice to meet you. I love the woolpaper. 3 00:00:19,920 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 3: It's brand new. I'm so happy you said it. The 4 00:00:21,520 --> 00:00:22,959 Speaker 3: reason I was a few minutes late. This is the 5 00:00:23,000 --> 00:00:25,400 Speaker 3: first time I've ever recorded in this new space, and 6 00:00:25,440 --> 00:00:27,880 Speaker 3: I'm feeling myself and so this is Valentine's Day, but 7 00:00:27,960 --> 00:00:29,360 Speaker 3: this is my new wallpaper. Yay. 8 00:00:29,520 --> 00:00:31,080 Speaker 1: I'm so happy you complimented me. 9 00:00:31,520 --> 00:00:33,880 Speaker 2: Well, I'm glad that I noticed that. And I love love, 10 00:00:34,000 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 2: so of course i'd see that. 11 00:00:35,920 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: Well, that's a great way to start. 12 00:00:38,159 --> 00:00:41,040 Speaker 3: So I saw something of yours and I forwarded it 13 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:43,760 Speaker 3: to my team and said, can you book this guy? 14 00:00:44,240 --> 00:00:47,160 Speaker 3: I don't even remember what I saw, so we'll get 15 00:00:47,159 --> 00:00:51,960 Speaker 3: there eventually. But what would you say you specialize in? 16 00:00:52,000 --> 00:00:56,160 Speaker 3: Would you your your your life coach? You are a therapist? Like, 17 00:00:56,240 --> 00:00:58,280 Speaker 3: what is your background? What do you call yourself? If 18 00:00:58,280 --> 00:00:59,280 Speaker 3: you're on a plane with someone? 19 00:01:00,400 --> 00:01:02,480 Speaker 2: Well, out there in the world, I'm known more as 20 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:06,000 Speaker 2: the mind architect. I don't particularly like the Monica life coach. 21 00:01:06,080 --> 00:01:10,080 Speaker 2: I think it's sort of somewhat diluted, but agreed, the 22 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:16,240 Speaker 2: mind architect is something that I generated necessity being the 23 00:01:16,240 --> 00:01:19,399 Speaker 2: mother of invention. I felt there was a void, and 24 00:01:19,480 --> 00:01:22,319 Speaker 2: it felt appropriate that I'm re architecting people's in a 25 00:01:22,360 --> 00:01:26,040 Speaker 2: thinking space. So my product is freedom. I'm bringing people 26 00:01:26,120 --> 00:01:29,560 Speaker 2: freedom from all of their limitations, fears, and constraints. 27 00:01:29,920 --> 00:01:32,479 Speaker 3: I've been hearing a lot somehow I've met. I've ended 28 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:38,440 Speaker 3: up on the attachment style side of TikTok, and I 29 00:01:38,520 --> 00:01:42,800 Speaker 3: find it fascinating and I never even knew about it, 30 00:01:42,840 --> 00:01:46,520 Speaker 3: Like I'm loving this. What I am loving about social 31 00:01:46,560 --> 00:01:52,080 Speaker 3: media is the access to different people's opinions about self help, like, 32 00:01:52,720 --> 00:01:55,920 Speaker 3: for example, Mel Robbins right now, my friend Mark basically 33 00:01:56,200 --> 00:01:59,760 Speaker 3: Caultrey said, she's like the Rachel Ray of like wellness 34 00:01:59,840 --> 00:02:02,120 Speaker 3: right now in the sense that she's sort of dumbing 35 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:04,960 Speaker 3: it down, chewing it up and digesting it. So people, 36 00:02:05,280 --> 00:02:07,760 Speaker 3: So the average person who's not even interested in this 37 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:10,520 Speaker 3: type of stuff normally can talk about it, which I 38 00:02:10,520 --> 00:02:12,600 Speaker 3: think is great. You know, it's like sort of like 39 00:02:12,680 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 3: fortune cookie self help. I mean, it's like the comap 40 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:18,040 Speaker 3: for meditation. We don't all have to go to India 41 00:02:18,120 --> 00:02:20,240 Speaker 3: and know, you know, be silent for three months. And 42 00:02:20,240 --> 00:02:22,400 Speaker 3: I think that's a positive move in the right direction, 43 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:25,799 Speaker 3: I think, and I would say it's probably tricky for 44 00:02:25,840 --> 00:02:28,640 Speaker 3: people to be listening to everything everyone's saying. But like 45 00:02:28,680 --> 00:02:30,880 Speaker 3: anything else, it's like listening to cooking recipes. You can 46 00:02:30,919 --> 00:02:32,560 Speaker 3: get a bunch of different advice. You're gonna end up 47 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 3: doing what you think is right, or if something speaks 48 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 3: to you and you could throw the rest away. But 49 00:02:38,639 --> 00:02:41,160 Speaker 3: there are these new things that aren't new, but that 50 00:02:41,240 --> 00:02:45,320 Speaker 3: are new in the vernacular. And I heard it first 51 00:02:45,400 --> 00:02:47,520 Speaker 3: from because I have a dating podcast, and I heard 52 00:02:47,560 --> 00:02:52,040 Speaker 3: it first from a dating a matchmaker, and was like, 53 00:02:52,840 --> 00:02:56,840 Speaker 3: tell them that you your attachments. I think it was 54 00:02:56,880 --> 00:02:58,959 Speaker 3: like to tell my therapist or to ask my therapist 55 00:02:59,000 --> 00:03:02,200 Speaker 3: about this, that your dating style is anxious attachment. I 56 00:03:02,200 --> 00:03:04,280 Speaker 3: had never heard about it, but the minute I heard 57 00:03:04,320 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 3: what the words, I was like, that tracks like you 58 00:03:06,880 --> 00:03:08,320 Speaker 3: want to feel safe at all times. You want to 59 00:03:08,320 --> 00:03:10,399 Speaker 3: know where you are, where you stand. You're not good 60 00:03:10,440 --> 00:03:14,400 Speaker 3: with like sporadic communication. And so because of talking about this, 61 00:03:14,520 --> 00:03:18,000 Speaker 3: I started, you know, people think about someone else's sign, 62 00:03:18,680 --> 00:03:22,679 Speaker 3: their color, personality, whatever, And I started thinking about how 63 00:03:22,720 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 3: people are compatible with attachment styles, and I think it's 64 00:03:26,440 --> 00:03:28,680 Speaker 3: fascinating and I wanted to ask you does everybody have 65 00:03:28,760 --> 00:03:32,840 Speaker 3: one or some people only have like the dismissive, avoidant, 66 00:03:33,040 --> 00:03:35,040 Speaker 3: or the anxious, like the ends of the spectrum and 67 00:03:35,080 --> 00:03:36,200 Speaker 3: the person in the middle is fine. 68 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:37,760 Speaker 1: It doesn't need to be a signed one. 69 00:03:38,600 --> 00:03:41,280 Speaker 2: I mean, I'm not a traditionally trained therapist, so I 70 00:03:41,320 --> 00:03:44,279 Speaker 2: don't really use those terminologies. I look at it more energetically. 71 00:03:44,360 --> 00:03:46,480 Speaker 2: But I think that runs the gamut. Right. You've got 72 00:03:46,480 --> 00:03:50,360 Speaker 2: the people who are incredibly attached and dependent, the codependency 73 00:03:50,360 --> 00:03:53,040 Speaker 2: that we see in relationships, and then you have people 74 00:03:53,120 --> 00:03:56,960 Speaker 2: who are more aloof and that's their way of surviving. 75 00:03:57,360 --> 00:03:59,880 Speaker 2: I'm much more interested in overcoming all of it. Right, 76 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 2: So rather than classifying yourself like, oh, your pisces or 77 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: your virgo, which I understand. I enjoy astrology and all 78 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:12,400 Speaker 2: of those things. I think these more subtle emotional and 79 00:04:12,440 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: behavioral tendencies they can all be transcended if you're committed 80 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,800 Speaker 2: to being a potent, powerful human being. That's what I'm 81 00:04:18,800 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 2: interested in, right. 82 00:04:20,160 --> 00:04:21,159 Speaker 1: Otherwise it's a crutch. 83 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:23,000 Speaker 3: You're hanging on to that thing and saying you get 84 00:04:23,040 --> 00:04:25,480 Speaker 3: an excreuse, that's my thing, and now I get to 85 00:04:25,520 --> 00:04:27,559 Speaker 3: be that and I am that. It's like saying I'm 86 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 3: a commitment phobic, or these labels that people. So you 87 00:04:30,279 --> 00:04:33,040 Speaker 3: don't like any of these labels because they box you in. 88 00:04:33,720 --> 00:04:36,240 Speaker 2: Yeah. So that's what I do, is I help transcend 89 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:38,760 Speaker 2: all of the constraints, because that's still a constraint. It's 90 00:04:38,800 --> 00:04:41,600 Speaker 2: an enabling behavior where you're basically not wanting to be 91 00:04:41,640 --> 00:04:44,880 Speaker 2: accountable for something, which is where you're dismissing your own 92 00:04:44,920 --> 00:04:47,520 Speaker 2: power as a human being. So I'm in the camp 93 00:04:47,560 --> 00:04:52,120 Speaker 2: of full responsibility for your existence, which not everybody wants. 94 00:04:52,440 --> 00:04:52,760 Speaker 1: Wow. 95 00:04:52,960 --> 00:04:55,320 Speaker 3: Well, no, it's very alive, and it's very present and 96 00:04:55,360 --> 00:04:56,239 Speaker 3: it's very honest. 97 00:04:56,760 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 1: Wow. 98 00:04:57,680 --> 00:05:02,640 Speaker 3: Okay, interesting And how what about the reason I asked this? 99 00:05:02,680 --> 00:05:06,800 Speaker 3: Six My mother passed away in April was very very 100 00:05:06,920 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 3: complicated relationship. But I feel that once your parents pass away, 101 00:05:14,880 --> 00:05:18,080 Speaker 3: it's a very profound experience in a positive way. And 102 00:05:18,080 --> 00:05:20,800 Speaker 3: it's hard for people to say and admit that, but 103 00:05:21,680 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 3: you become a different person. You become because you talk 104 00:05:24,000 --> 00:05:26,880 Speaker 3: about freedom. I think in ways, even if you had 105 00:05:26,880 --> 00:05:29,839 Speaker 3: a great relationship with your parents, I think in ways, 106 00:05:30,000 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 3: it is freeing. I want to know what you think about, 107 00:05:32,400 --> 00:05:34,760 Speaker 3: like what you talk about and think about death. 108 00:05:35,920 --> 00:05:39,039 Speaker 2: I love death, as I was saying around suicide, you know, 109 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:41,039 Speaker 2: like I don't want people to take their lives. I've 110 00:05:41,040 --> 00:05:43,479 Speaker 2: helped many people not do it. In fact, one of 111 00:05:43,480 --> 00:05:47,479 Speaker 2: my most popular posts on my Instagram is where I 112 00:05:47,520 --> 00:05:50,680 Speaker 2: speak about this distinction about like suicide isn't the death 113 00:05:50,680 --> 00:05:52,360 Speaker 2: of you, but rather than the death of the part 114 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 2: of you that no longer serves you. Right. So I 115 00:05:54,360 --> 00:05:57,240 Speaker 2: love death because again I say that in order to 116 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,440 Speaker 2: be fully alive, you have to constantly die to the 117 00:05:59,480 --> 00:06:03,520 Speaker 2: olbitteration of yourself. So I love the topic. Again, it 118 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:05,560 Speaker 2: tends to be taboo, and that's why people don't look 119 00:06:05,600 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 2: at it because there's so much fear. Your comment about 120 00:06:08,440 --> 00:06:10,920 Speaker 2: your mom and the death of parents. My mom died 121 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:13,440 Speaker 2: of cancer when I was seven and then my dad 122 00:06:14,000 --> 00:06:15,960 Speaker 2: and my dad went to work when I was seventeen. 123 00:06:16,000 --> 00:06:17,479 Speaker 2: I was an only child, so it was just me 124 00:06:17,560 --> 00:06:19,960 Speaker 2: and my dad at that point, and he worked on 125 00:06:20,000 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 2: the ferries. I grew up in England, and he worked 126 00:06:21,920 --> 00:06:24,440 Speaker 2: on the boats that went between Dover in England and 127 00:06:24,920 --> 00:06:29,040 Speaker 2: Calais in France and then Zayberger in Belgium. And they 128 00:06:29,040 --> 00:06:31,480 Speaker 2: carry cargo and they carry people going on vacations with 129 00:06:31,600 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 2: caravans or whatever. And he was on a boat the 130 00:06:35,040 --> 00:06:37,919 Speaker 2: capsides with about fifteen hundred people on it, like you know, 131 00:06:37,920 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 2: it's like a cruise liner, and he was sadly one 132 00:06:40,400 --> 00:06:42,120 Speaker 2: of close to two hundred people that died. 133 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:46,159 Speaker 1: So you were an orphan it's seventeen correct. 134 00:06:46,240 --> 00:06:50,360 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, wow, that's wild. That's really wild that I 135 00:06:50,400 --> 00:06:54,719 Speaker 3: would instinctively want to have you on and not even 136 00:06:54,760 --> 00:06:57,280 Speaker 3: knowing really anything about you, but just hearing you speak 137 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,560 Speaker 3: for two seconds, and that I've pretty much been an 138 00:06:59,600 --> 00:07:01,920 Speaker 3: orphan my whole entire life. I'm also an only child. 139 00:07:02,320 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 3: But that I would just say that to you and 140 00:07:04,000 --> 00:07:05,800 Speaker 3: ask you about that when I never really ask anybody. 141 00:07:06,000 --> 00:07:08,800 Speaker 3: I've never asked anyone about that. I've talked about it, 142 00:07:09,160 --> 00:07:11,160 Speaker 3: but I think it's weird that I've never asked anybody 143 00:07:11,200 --> 00:07:13,200 Speaker 3: about it and now you like walk into it and 144 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: it's like that. 145 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,800 Speaker 1: So that's energetic to me? Do you believe in all 146 00:07:17,840 --> 00:07:18,080 Speaker 1: of that? 147 00:07:18,360 --> 00:07:21,720 Speaker 3: The energy and like being connected and you being hearing 148 00:07:21,760 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 3: me saying that for that reason, Like, that's weird to me. 149 00:07:24,280 --> 00:07:26,560 Speaker 2: One hundred percent. I mean that's the realm of trafficking, 150 00:07:27,760 --> 00:07:31,960 Speaker 2: right with vibrational beings. I mean everything, ultimately, as Tesla said, 151 00:07:32,000 --> 00:07:35,160 Speaker 2: comes down to energy, frequency and vibration. So so yeah, 152 00:07:35,200 --> 00:07:37,920 Speaker 2: so I cite those in terms of my own experience 153 00:07:37,960 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 2: so that I could address your question, which is, yes, 154 00:07:40,680 --> 00:07:42,840 Speaker 2: I know, especially after the death of my mom. I 155 00:07:42,960 --> 00:07:44,920 Speaker 2: was such a good little boy, you know, I was 156 00:07:45,000 --> 00:07:49,200 Speaker 2: such a well behaved, quintessential perfect child that if my 157 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:52,320 Speaker 2: dad was still alive, I wouldn't And again it's all 158 00:07:52,400 --> 00:07:55,120 Speaker 2: hypothetical because it's not what happened. But I wouldn't have 159 00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:57,160 Speaker 2: become the man I am today because I would have 160 00:07:57,200 --> 00:07:59,960 Speaker 2: still been caught under the auspices of my own It's 161 00:08:00,080 --> 00:08:03,480 Speaker 2: my own, not his interpretation of who he thought or 162 00:08:03,560 --> 00:08:05,720 Speaker 2: I thought he wanted me to be right. So that's 163 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:08,480 Speaker 2: where most children get stuck, even though they're adults, which 164 00:08:08,480 --> 00:08:11,920 Speaker 2: is why, as you said, people do experience some liberation. Yeah, 165 00:08:11,920 --> 00:08:15,000 Speaker 2: there's grief, but they ultimately feel free, often when their 166 00:08:15,000 --> 00:08:18,480 Speaker 2: parents die, because what happens is that narrative that was 167 00:08:18,520 --> 00:08:22,320 Speaker 2: within them associated with their parents now can be let 168 00:08:22,360 --> 00:08:25,200 Speaker 2: go of. There is a form of liberation and freedom 169 00:08:25,200 --> 00:08:28,520 Speaker 2: that occurs, so in ways that I didn't fully comprehend. 170 00:08:28,520 --> 00:08:30,760 Speaker 2: Obviously when all of this happened, I didn't want my 171 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:33,400 Speaker 2: dad to die. Of course, I nonetheless recognized from a 172 00:08:33,440 --> 00:08:35,760 Speaker 2: soul contract that in order for me to do what 173 00:08:35,840 --> 00:08:38,480 Speaker 2: I do and help find freedom for millions of people 174 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 2: around the world. I had to go through that myself. 175 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:43,520 Speaker 2: That was my rite of passage so that I could 176 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,120 Speaker 2: step into what it meant. You know, at the beginning, 177 00:08:46,160 --> 00:08:48,480 Speaker 2: it was pure survival, but then ultimately I found my 178 00:08:48,520 --> 00:08:50,640 Speaker 2: own rais on detra and I found my own purpose. 179 00:08:51,160 --> 00:08:53,200 Speaker 2: And as I said, it's about being completely free, and 180 00:08:53,240 --> 00:08:55,439 Speaker 2: now I can help people find that even though their 181 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:56,400 Speaker 2: parents are still. 182 00:08:56,160 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 3: Alive, whether positive or negative, you relateationship was with the parents, like, 183 00:09:01,360 --> 00:09:03,800 Speaker 3: it doesn't have to be that it was bad or good. 184 00:09:04,160 --> 00:09:04,440 Speaker 1: It is. 185 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,880 Speaker 3: I mean, I only know the bad, but it is 186 00:09:06,960 --> 00:09:09,760 Speaker 3: and was freeing, and like you, I talked about it 187 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,040 Speaker 3: and I had a very emotional podcast that was like 188 00:09:13,080 --> 00:09:15,920 Speaker 3: a real like gut wrenching. But I did think it 189 00:09:15,920 --> 00:09:17,640 Speaker 3: helped a lot of people because I just don't think 190 00:09:18,360 --> 00:09:22,400 Speaker 3: it's something that people talk about enough, and I was 191 00:09:22,480 --> 00:09:24,719 Speaker 3: going through the experience, so I made sure to talk 192 00:09:24,720 --> 00:09:26,760 Speaker 3: about it as I was going through it completely freed 193 00:09:26,840 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: and probably not what most people would think is at 194 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:31,640 Speaker 3: a time when you'd be speaking about it, But that 195 00:09:31,720 --> 00:09:33,120 Speaker 3: was why I thought it was important because we can 196 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,200 Speaker 3: package it later, but it's different when you're going through 197 00:09:36,240 --> 00:09:37,359 Speaker 3: and it's happening. 198 00:09:37,000 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 2: You know, well that's the original, you know. To go 199 00:09:39,600 --> 00:09:43,640 Speaker 2: back to adult relationships, romantic relationships, our relationship with our 200 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,960 Speaker 2: parents is the initial codependency relationship that we learn, right 201 00:09:48,040 --> 00:09:50,720 Speaker 2: because as kids, we are dependent, we are powerless, we 202 00:09:50,760 --> 00:09:53,640 Speaker 2: are helpless, we are weak, we don't have resources, and 203 00:09:53,679 --> 00:09:58,400 Speaker 2: so that energetic dynamic, that attachment tends to propagate into 204 00:09:58,480 --> 00:10:02,240 Speaker 2: adult relationships. It is their initial wound. And what people 205 00:10:02,280 --> 00:10:05,560 Speaker 2: don't realize is as one of the first traumas that 206 00:10:05,600 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 2: we all experience without it being a trauma, is we 207 00:10:08,400 --> 00:10:12,240 Speaker 2: abandon ourselves because as an agreement, albeit unspoken, that as 208 00:10:12,280 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 2: a child, we decide that we will be who we 209 00:10:15,040 --> 00:10:17,360 Speaker 2: think the parent wants us to be in order to 210 00:10:17,360 --> 00:10:32,280 Speaker 2: stay safe, because they're the ones that provide. 211 00:10:33,920 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 3: The thing is I there are so many people in 212 00:10:37,480 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 3: parental and familial relationships that have a nice package. To 213 00:10:41,360 --> 00:10:43,520 Speaker 3: your point about the thirty five or fifty years of 214 00:10:43,600 --> 00:10:46,080 Speaker 3: marriage has a nice package they get to have. They 215 00:10:46,120 --> 00:10:48,400 Speaker 3: have the resume. My parents are together for fifty years, 216 00:10:48,440 --> 00:10:50,360 Speaker 3: it was me and my brother whatever, and a lot 217 00:10:50,400 --> 00:10:52,520 Speaker 3: of these people because of the things going on inside 218 00:10:52,559 --> 00:10:54,640 Speaker 3: the house, a lot of it's like the parents fought 219 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,440 Speaker 3: but like with in the other rooms. So they thought 220 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 3: the kids didn't realize they stayed together quote unquote for 221 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 3: the kids, but they were miserable, like the kids do. 222 00:11:03,760 --> 00:11:06,120 Speaker 3: Feel like there's a lot of I've noticed a lot 223 00:11:06,120 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 3: of people that are really really fucked up that came 224 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:12,120 Speaker 3: from a really good environment, and when you unpack it 225 00:11:12,160 --> 00:11:15,040 Speaker 3: and go deeper, it wasn't that great. They just don't 226 00:11:15,080 --> 00:11:20,280 Speaker 3: get to say that they had issues because it looked perfect. 227 00:11:20,600 --> 00:11:22,520 Speaker 3: You know, like maybe you have parents that never really 228 00:11:22,520 --> 00:11:25,480 Speaker 3: emoted at all. They just didn't. They're not people that 229 00:11:25,559 --> 00:11:29,200 Speaker 3: emote whatsoever. But everything looked good and everybody was dressed 230 00:11:29,200 --> 00:11:31,640 Speaker 3: perfectly and everybody did what they we supposed to. That 231 00:11:32,040 --> 00:11:33,720 Speaker 3: seems like a prison to me for the way that 232 00:11:33,760 --> 00:11:35,760 Speaker 3: I live. At least all the craziness was right out 233 00:11:35,800 --> 00:11:38,680 Speaker 3: in the open. I could see it, and so it's 234 00:11:38,720 --> 00:11:39,680 Speaker 3: a little more freeing. 235 00:11:40,200 --> 00:11:42,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent self express right, you know. The 236 00:11:43,640 --> 00:11:45,280 Speaker 2: it doesn't matter who I've worked with, they could have 237 00:11:45,320 --> 00:11:48,920 Speaker 2: had the most idea copy aesthetic childhood that looks on paper, 238 00:11:48,960 --> 00:11:50,800 Speaker 2: like you said, like it's perfect. And then I've got 239 00:11:50,840 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 2: people who were sadly molested by their own father, and 240 00:11:54,320 --> 00:11:57,240 Speaker 2: you know, really heinous and abhorrent things that have happened 241 00:11:57,240 --> 00:11:59,960 Speaker 2: to children. It doesn't really matter as far as I'm concerned. 242 00:12:00,080 --> 00:12:02,080 Speaker 2: As long as you're here as a human in this 243 00:12:02,200 --> 00:12:04,920 Speaker 2: dimension of planet Earth, you've got shit to deal with. 244 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,000 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter what happened. That's the actual dimension of 245 00:12:08,000 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: what it is to be human. We arrive with these constraints, 246 00:12:10,960 --> 00:12:13,720 Speaker 2: these fears and limitations, and the game of being human 247 00:12:14,240 --> 00:12:16,920 Speaker 2: is to break free. That's it. And you are going 248 00:12:16,960 --> 00:12:20,360 Speaker 2: to be given the list of characters and these NPCs 249 00:12:20,440 --> 00:12:22,840 Speaker 2: and whatever you need to be able to get triggered 250 00:12:22,880 --> 00:12:26,439 Speaker 2: to basically evolve and recognize, without sounding too poetic, your 251 00:12:26,440 --> 00:12:29,520 Speaker 2: own divine nature. That's the game. Whereas most people play 252 00:12:29,520 --> 00:12:31,360 Speaker 2: the human game right, which is, oh, well, I want 253 00:12:31,400 --> 00:12:33,440 Speaker 2: to find a partner, I want to go from a 254 00:12:33,520 --> 00:12:35,960 Speaker 2: studio apartment to a house and then a place in 255 00:12:36,000 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 2: the suburbs. I want to make more money, I want 256 00:12:37,800 --> 00:12:40,760 Speaker 2: to get more followers. And there's this exognous game that 257 00:12:40,800 --> 00:12:43,599 Speaker 2: people are playing where they're trying to control circumstances. That 258 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:46,839 Speaker 2: to me, that's where people are misguided. It's got nothing 259 00:12:46,840 --> 00:12:49,600 Speaker 2: to do with that. It's all about the internal revelation 260 00:12:49,720 --> 00:12:51,640 Speaker 2: of yourself. That's it. 261 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,559 Speaker 3: Yeah, I think you know, my daughter has an incredible 262 00:12:55,559 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 3: life and I'm very emotionally available and I'm emotionally intelligent 263 00:12:58,760 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 3: and the advice and nurtured and we have a great 264 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:04,079 Speaker 3: but by the way, I'm a famous person and it's 265 00:13:04,120 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 3: a lot going on and it's a different life, and 266 00:13:06,720 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 3: who knows how if she'll be fucked up because of 267 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:11,760 Speaker 3: that or not, Like we can't just everyone's got Yeah. 268 00:13:11,880 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 3: I just think that people that grew up in normal 269 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:18,559 Speaker 3: quote unquote normal household don't get their flowers enough for 270 00:13:18,679 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 3: being able to have plight and issues because you don't 271 00:13:24,760 --> 00:13:27,480 Speaker 3: know what's going on beneath the surface is what you know, 272 00:13:27,559 --> 00:13:28,199 Speaker 3: you don't know what I mean. 273 00:13:28,280 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 2: It doesn't matter who it is, how ideal like it 274 00:13:30,360 --> 00:13:33,120 Speaker 2: looks like on the surface. All the form the manifest 275 00:13:33,120 --> 00:13:36,240 Speaker 2: world is irrelevant. All of it is a catalyst to 276 00:13:36,320 --> 00:13:39,640 Speaker 2: reveal where are you internally as a human being living 277 00:13:39,640 --> 00:13:42,440 Speaker 2: from what I consider the current way that we function 278 00:13:42,480 --> 00:13:47,199 Speaker 2: as humans is from limitation, fear, suffering, disease, and dysfunction. 279 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:50,240 Speaker 2: That's the current operating system that we have. And I'm 280 00:13:50,320 --> 00:13:52,880 Speaker 2: introducing people to the operating system on the other side 281 00:13:52,920 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 2: of that. So regardless of how available you are or 282 00:13:55,720 --> 00:13:58,800 Speaker 2: how beautiful kind you are, emotionally intelligent you are, for 283 00:13:58,840 --> 00:14:01,800 Speaker 2: your daughter, no, no slight to you, She's still going 284 00:14:01,840 --> 00:14:03,840 Speaker 2: to have to go through whatever she has decided to 285 00:14:03,880 --> 00:14:05,560 Speaker 2: go through as a soul in this paradigm. 286 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:06,640 Speaker 1: That's it, exactly. 287 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:10,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's the good news, right because on both sides. 288 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:12,040 Speaker 2: You know, one of the things that I deal with 289 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,679 Speaker 2: with a lot with parents is that guilt, the shame, right, 290 00:14:15,679 --> 00:14:18,000 Speaker 2: the mum guilt, and it's like, Okay, you can only 291 00:14:18,040 --> 00:14:20,000 Speaker 2: do the best you can within the realm of awareness 292 00:14:20,000 --> 00:14:22,440 Speaker 2: that you have. So that's the thing that I want, 293 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:25,280 Speaker 2: you know, parents to understand, is you're going to be 294 00:14:25,360 --> 00:14:27,880 Speaker 2: limited by your own awareness, by your own sense of conditioning, 295 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:30,920 Speaker 2: by your own patterns, and so to take the load 296 00:14:30,960 --> 00:14:33,240 Speaker 2: off and the pressure that you could fuck up your children, 297 00:14:33,360 --> 00:14:36,120 Speaker 2: like a lot of parents worry about. Yeah, you don't 298 00:14:36,160 --> 00:14:38,120 Speaker 2: want to be, you know, a bitch or an asshole 299 00:14:38,120 --> 00:14:41,200 Speaker 2: as a father, or the disciplinarian or someone who's mercurial 300 00:14:41,240 --> 00:14:43,920 Speaker 2: and raises their voices and God forbid you hit children. No, 301 00:14:44,080 --> 00:14:46,600 Speaker 2: I don't condone that, but at the end of the day, 302 00:14:46,680 --> 00:14:50,160 Speaker 2: your children, their souls with their own journey that they 303 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:52,840 Speaker 2: will curate for their own benefits, so that they can 304 00:14:52,880 --> 00:14:56,640 Speaker 2: evolve and discover their own true nature. That's the game. 305 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,160 Speaker 2: So you're more guides as parents, as opposed to to 306 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:02,400 Speaker 2: thinking that's all incumbent upon you to make sure that 307 00:15:02,440 --> 00:15:04,640 Speaker 2: your children are kind of molly coddled and covered in 308 00:15:04,680 --> 00:15:05,200 Speaker 2: cotton wool. 309 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:07,760 Speaker 1: It just as well, that's also its own fucked up problem. 310 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:09,680 Speaker 3: I was talking to two people yesterday in a podcast 311 00:15:09,680 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 3: that's everyone wants to wrap their kids in bubble wrap. 312 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:12,760 Speaker 1: And that's another. That's another. 313 00:15:12,880 --> 00:15:16,160 Speaker 3: The pendulum is we know so much that the pendulum 314 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,360 Speaker 3: is gone in the opposite direction. You know, I was 315 00:15:18,440 --> 00:15:21,680 Speaker 3: raised and be pregnant, drink wine, smoke a cigarette, Let 316 00:15:21,680 --> 00:15:23,040 Speaker 3: you get out the back door, and hope you see 317 00:15:23,040 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 3: them at eight o'clock. Like that's right, that was what 318 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:26,880 Speaker 3: that was the generation I didn't even have that. I 319 00:15:26,880 --> 00:15:28,560 Speaker 3: didn't have parents that would be there at eight o'clock. 320 00:15:28,640 --> 00:15:32,080 Speaker 3: But we you know, everyone wants everyone and I some time. 321 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,400 Speaker 3: At one appearance, I was asked the question that I've 322 00:15:34,840 --> 00:15:37,280 Speaker 3: been asked a million times about the work life mom 323 00:15:37,360 --> 00:15:39,840 Speaker 3: life balance, and I just realized in that moment on 324 00:15:39,880 --> 00:15:43,080 Speaker 3: stage talking to like a thousand people. I'm here right now, 325 00:15:43,120 --> 00:15:45,080 Speaker 3: and I'm present in what I'm doing, and this is 326 00:15:45,480 --> 00:15:47,760 Speaker 3: as important to me and as much a part of 327 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:51,480 Speaker 3: who I am as being a parent, and in this 328 00:15:51,600 --> 00:15:54,000 Speaker 3: dating thing that I was explaining to before about running 329 00:15:54,000 --> 00:15:56,640 Speaker 3: into all these men, so many men. And I've said 330 00:15:56,640 --> 00:15:58,720 Speaker 3: this a bunch of times in this podcast, want a 331 00:15:58,720 --> 00:16:00,880 Speaker 3: cookie for like, I'm a very involved dad, and they 332 00:16:00,920 --> 00:16:03,560 Speaker 3: want you to really know. And their kid could call 333 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:06,040 Speaker 3: about a belt, they're buying a mall and they jump 334 00:16:06,120 --> 00:16:08,000 Speaker 3: off because kids come first. The kids come first, And 335 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:10,360 Speaker 3: I'm like, you know, my child comes first. If something's 336 00:16:10,400 --> 00:16:12,760 Speaker 3: going on, my child isn't first every second she's not 337 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 3: in diapers. Like if I'm in an appearance, I'm in 338 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:19,040 Speaker 3: an appearance. There are boundaries. And even with men that 339 00:16:19,080 --> 00:16:22,000 Speaker 3: are like, oh, I've never introduced someone to my child, 340 00:16:22,040 --> 00:16:23,720 Speaker 3: I'm like, oh, good for you. My daughter has met 341 00:16:23,720 --> 00:16:26,720 Speaker 3: people four dates in doesn't mean we're getting married, doesn't 342 00:16:26,720 --> 00:16:28,720 Speaker 3: mean anything. But sometimes she'll have an opinion if she 343 00:16:28,800 --> 00:16:29,080 Speaker 3: likes them. 344 00:16:29,120 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: She doesn't. 345 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 3: Everyone puts these this big emphasis on what they believe 346 00:16:33,320 --> 00:16:36,120 Speaker 3: is being like the best parent, And like I said 347 00:16:36,120 --> 00:16:38,840 Speaker 3: at this appearance, It's equally as important to me to 348 00:16:38,880 --> 00:16:42,080 Speaker 3: be a good parent as it is to be a 349 00:16:42,120 --> 00:16:44,840 Speaker 3: good business person as it is to meet someone. If 350 00:16:44,880 --> 00:16:46,920 Speaker 3: I don't meet someone and I don't have a partnership, 351 00:16:46,960 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 3: I'm not going to feel good about the fact that 352 00:16:48,600 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 3: I'm going to be the cat lady sitting at home 353 00:16:50,560 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 3: waiting for my daughter to come visit me on Thanksgiving. Like, 354 00:16:53,280 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 3: I want to have a full life, and I think 355 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 3: you're the most healthy person if you kind of do 356 00:16:58,240 --> 00:17:00,560 Speaker 3: have a full life. I just think that people sort 357 00:17:00,560 --> 00:17:03,680 Speaker 3: of feel guilty if they're not like standing there as 358 00:17:03,760 --> 00:17:05,480 Speaker 3: a concierge for their kids at all times. 359 00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: And I don't believe in that. 360 00:17:07,160 --> 00:17:09,159 Speaker 2: No good for you. I think you know howard is 361 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:09,600 Speaker 2: your daughter? 362 00:17:09,880 --> 00:17:10,560 Speaker 1: She's fourteen? 363 00:17:11,040 --> 00:17:13,560 Speaker 2: Fourteen? Yes, I mean I would say if I were 364 00:17:13,600 --> 00:17:15,560 Speaker 2: a child, or if I were counseling parents, which I 365 00:17:15,600 --> 00:17:18,199 Speaker 2: often do, then for sure I would much rather a 366 00:17:18,240 --> 00:17:21,320 Speaker 2: parent who's self expressed, who is you know, entrusting their 367 00:17:21,400 --> 00:17:23,840 Speaker 2: child's about to figure shit out? I mean, my dad, 368 00:17:24,520 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 2: God bless him. He was one of the most beautiful 369 00:17:26,640 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 2: humans I ever met, and people often feel sorry for 370 00:17:28,920 --> 00:17:30,720 Speaker 2: me that he died when I was seventeen. I'm like, look, 371 00:17:30,760 --> 00:17:34,119 Speaker 2: I had my dad for seventeen years who just adored me. 372 00:17:34,280 --> 00:17:36,359 Speaker 2: You've had duels for seventeen and he's never told you 373 00:17:36,400 --> 00:17:38,960 Speaker 2: that he loves you. So wow, which would you rather? 374 00:17:39,080 --> 00:17:41,000 Speaker 3: Right, Well, that's us of the years that really you 375 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,720 Speaker 3: get molded as a person as a kid. 376 00:17:42,760 --> 00:17:44,639 Speaker 1: So that's a that's a fair point. Yeah, that's a 377 00:17:44,680 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: fair yeah. 378 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:47,760 Speaker 2: But one of the things that to your point about 379 00:17:47,760 --> 00:17:50,440 Speaker 2: how you conduct yourself relative to these you know, other 380 00:17:50,520 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 2: humans who like again, no fault, no judgment, but most 381 00:17:53,560 --> 00:17:56,439 Speaker 2: people are dictated by fear, right, So that that guilt 382 00:17:56,520 --> 00:17:59,560 Speaker 2: and the concierge, to use your term, energy is all 383 00:17:59,560 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: fear bait, right, So whereas you're living from more of 384 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,120 Speaker 2: a freedom base, which I applaud. But my dad would 385 00:18:05,119 --> 00:18:06,560 Speaker 2: say to me, he'd draw the shit out of me. 386 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,160 Speaker 2: He would have done anything for me, but he would 387 00:18:08,160 --> 00:18:10,040 Speaker 2: always tell my friends, you know, if I was going 388 00:18:10,040 --> 00:18:12,880 Speaker 2: through something, don't worry about. Peter's old enough and ugly 389 00:18:12,960 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 2: enough to take care of himself. And that was his 390 00:18:16,080 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 2: affectionate way. 391 00:18:16,880 --> 00:18:18,360 Speaker 1: That sounds very British. 392 00:18:18,680 --> 00:18:21,639 Speaker 2: Yeah, figure it out. He's capable, you know. Yeah, So 393 00:18:21,680 --> 00:18:26,000 Speaker 2: it's the empowering perspective versus the disempowering. And you know, 394 00:18:26,080 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 2: humans are so fricking resilient if you look at generations 395 00:18:29,119 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 2: gone by, the stuff that we had to withstand and 396 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,080 Speaker 2: go through, and now everyone's so mollycuddled. I mean this 397 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:37,520 Speaker 2: woke exactly. The woke society I have no time for. 398 00:18:37,640 --> 00:18:40,080 Speaker 2: It's like the expression I've seen the memes so many 399 00:18:40,119 --> 00:18:43,480 Speaker 2: times where people are ashamed of nothing but offended by everything. 400 00:18:56,480 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to give people permission. 401 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:01,280 Speaker 3: I'm going to do a podcast permission to be flat, like, 402 00:19:01,440 --> 00:19:04,960 Speaker 3: to be flawed, and to be selfish like you you know. Yeah, 403 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:08,640 Speaker 3: it's an arbitrary rule that like, oh, we have to wait. 404 00:19:08,480 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 1: A year until I introduced my daughter, someone said who? 405 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:12,760 Speaker 1: Who said who? And why? I want her to be 406 00:19:12,800 --> 00:19:13,560 Speaker 1: part of the process. 407 00:19:14,000 --> 00:19:15,480 Speaker 3: It's the two of us, and I want us to 408 00:19:15,480 --> 00:19:17,240 Speaker 3: have a whole community if we meet, if I meet 409 00:19:17,280 --> 00:19:19,639 Speaker 3: someone that I love, I want it to be a 410 00:19:19,680 --> 00:19:21,960 Speaker 3: whole family. But that's just a random thing I'm bringing 411 00:19:22,040 --> 00:19:25,199 Speaker 3: up to you, just as arbitrary as like, oh, I know, 412 00:19:25,280 --> 00:19:28,080 Speaker 3: and your kids have to comfort like these men they 413 00:19:28,080 --> 00:19:29,879 Speaker 3: always want to. It's and it's the same men by 414 00:19:29,920 --> 00:19:31,439 Speaker 3: the way of custodayt their kids like, well, I no 415 00:19:31,480 --> 00:19:33,200 Speaker 3: the kids come for the kids. I'm like, yeah, no, 416 00:19:33,480 --> 00:19:35,680 Speaker 3: my daughter is very important to me and I love 417 00:19:35,720 --> 00:19:38,919 Speaker 3: her and she's a priority, but she doesn't always come first. 418 00:19:39,040 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 3: Like I can go on a vacation, I'm allowed to 419 00:19:41,040 --> 00:19:43,480 Speaker 3: leave one night, Like that's okay. Like I learned that 420 00:19:44,040 --> 00:19:46,159 Speaker 3: because I had a brutal divorce that made was made 421 00:19:46,200 --> 00:19:49,080 Speaker 3: guilty about anything that I did if I ever left 422 00:19:49,119 --> 00:19:51,640 Speaker 3: the house for five minutes, and I trained myself into 423 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:55,520 Speaker 3: this bizarre construct. But like, yeah, I think being being 424 00:19:55,560 --> 00:19:59,440 Speaker 3: a healthy, happy person individually is the same thing as 425 00:19:59,520 --> 00:20:01,280 Speaker 3: put your mind, like put your mask on first in 426 00:20:01,320 --> 00:20:04,680 Speaker 3: the plane, Like exactly, I'm supposed to be happy. I'm 427 00:20:04,680 --> 00:20:07,359 Speaker 3: supposed to be healthy. So I'm additive to my daughter 428 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:11,080 Speaker 3: not only a train wreck that's panic stricken, just to 429 00:20:11,119 --> 00:20:12,320 Speaker 3: be there for her every second. 430 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:12,959 Speaker 1: It's weird. 431 00:20:13,680 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, And also this is going to maybe shock a 432 00:20:15,800 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 2: few people, maybe even piss a few people off, which 433 00:20:18,000 --> 00:20:18,399 Speaker 2: is fine. 434 00:20:18,560 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 1: Yeah. 435 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,560 Speaker 2: The misnomer that you know when a guy or woman 436 00:20:21,640 --> 00:20:25,200 Speaker 2: says the kids come first, is actually inaccurate, not only 437 00:20:25,280 --> 00:20:29,439 Speaker 2: because it's inaccurate literally, but it's also what's happening is 438 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:32,600 Speaker 2: what they're putting first. If they really understand the mechanics 439 00:20:32,600 --> 00:20:35,359 Speaker 2: of the mind. Every human being, by default, and this 440 00:20:35,400 --> 00:20:39,000 Speaker 2: isn't bad, is self oriented. So even when a man 441 00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:41,680 Speaker 2: that you meet says the kids come first, no, that's 442 00:20:41,680 --> 00:20:44,640 Speaker 2: not a truth. What's coming first is his own belief 443 00:20:44,720 --> 00:20:47,320 Speaker 2: that the kids should come first. So it's still about him. 444 00:20:47,640 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: Well, I could go even deeper. 445 00:20:48,880 --> 00:20:52,160 Speaker 3: I think it's his own belief that it's the performative 446 00:20:52,240 --> 00:20:55,480 Speaker 3: action of what people will think about him saying and 447 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:57,840 Speaker 3: performing that the kids come first. 448 00:20:58,080 --> 00:21:01,879 Speaker 2: Correct, So it's still self oriented. Yeah, exactly, there's no 449 00:21:02,119 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 2: there's no one out there who myself included, who's truly selfless, right, 450 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,959 Speaker 2: because that's not the way we're designed as humans. Our 451 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: imperative is to survive, you know, and that's okay. We 452 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:15,000 Speaker 2: do the best we can if we can transcend our fears, 453 00:21:15,040 --> 00:21:17,120 Speaker 2: and holy shit, you know, you really can step into 454 00:21:17,160 --> 00:21:19,440 Speaker 2: what I speak from, or I like to really live from, 455 00:21:19,880 --> 00:21:22,679 Speaker 2: is unconditional love. I don't have judgment. I hold space 456 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:24,840 Speaker 2: with people all around the world, and I do the 457 00:21:24,880 --> 00:21:27,280 Speaker 2: best to allow them to actually step into their own 458 00:21:27,280 --> 00:21:29,879 Speaker 2: self love. Right, But most people have got all of 459 00:21:29,920 --> 00:21:33,760 Speaker 2: these metaphors and these analogies and these belief systems. It's 460 00:21:33,800 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 2: all self generated and that's okay too, but stop. 461 00:21:36,920 --> 00:21:38,520 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's a little I know what you say. It's 462 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,480 Speaker 3: a little bumper sticker. It's a little bumper sticker. And 463 00:21:41,560 --> 00:21:44,600 Speaker 3: also you're not dealing with the other stick like it's 464 00:21:44,720 --> 00:21:48,280 Speaker 3: it's not balanced if you're so fixated on thinking that 465 00:21:48,320 --> 00:21:50,199 Speaker 3: the kids come first and you're running every second like 466 00:21:50,280 --> 00:21:54,480 Speaker 3: something else is out of whack, like every And that's 467 00:21:54,480 --> 00:21:56,120 Speaker 3: how it started. When I was on stage that day 468 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 3: to answer that question, I said, I'm present right here 469 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 3: with you as I talk to you, and when I'm 470 00:22:01,080 --> 00:22:04,400 Speaker 3: with my daughter most of the time, i'm present as well. 471 00:22:04,400 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 3: Like I'm not always present in work. Sometimes something happens, 472 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:08,879 Speaker 3: I'm distracting them out a robot. But when I'm with 473 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,520 Speaker 3: my daughter, I want to be present too. At dinner, 474 00:22:10,560 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 3: I intervene in, like get off your phone and let's 475 00:22:13,119 --> 00:22:16,000 Speaker 3: be together. And so anyway, yeah, this is your interesting 476 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:17,919 Speaker 3: this is an interesting conversation. I'm liking the way this 477 00:22:18,280 --> 00:22:21,400 Speaker 3: podcast in general is going because I'm gravitating towards these 478 00:22:21,400 --> 00:22:25,040 Speaker 3: types of conversations as I think my audience is. It's 479 00:22:25,160 --> 00:22:29,639 Speaker 3: just they do much better ironically than talking to like 480 00:22:29,680 --> 00:22:33,359 Speaker 3: the most A list of celebrities about what's going because 481 00:22:33,359 --> 00:22:35,720 Speaker 3: it's like people are everyone's just trying to survive. And 482 00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,639 Speaker 3: I think this is the stuff that's more valuable as 483 00:22:37,680 --> 00:22:39,199 Speaker 3: the conversation. So I appreciate it. 484 00:22:39,520 --> 00:22:41,639 Speaker 2: Thank you for saying that. That's my commitment. It's certainly 485 00:22:41,720 --> 00:22:44,239 Speaker 2: my purpose, as I said, to help people discover this 486 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:47,680 Speaker 2: new world of freedom, love and possibility and having vitality 487 00:22:47,760 --> 00:22:51,159 Speaker 2: versus disease, having harmony versus dysfunctions. You know, it's an 488 00:22:51,280 --> 00:22:54,399 Speaker 2: entirely different operating system. And it's okay. People are doing 489 00:22:54,440 --> 00:22:56,560 Speaker 2: the best they can within the limits of their awareness, 490 00:22:56,600 --> 00:22:58,600 Speaker 2: as I said, and that's where the compassion comes in. 491 00:22:58,680 --> 00:23:00,679 Speaker 2: I often say, you can't be how to accountable for 492 00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:02,600 Speaker 2: that which you're oblivious to, right, so we have this 493 00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 2: blind spot. We have these blind spots. That's okay. You 494 00:23:05,280 --> 00:23:07,399 Speaker 2: know people who point fingers at people because they spoke 495 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:09,199 Speaker 2: or they drink, and it's like, look, they're doing the 496 00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,800 Speaker 2: best they can. They don't know why, and if you 497 00:23:11,840 --> 00:23:14,960 Speaker 2: could have compassion, they usually are just missing love. You know. 498 00:23:15,000 --> 00:23:17,520 Speaker 2: It really comes down to that that they were never held, 499 00:23:17,520 --> 00:23:19,359 Speaker 2: they were never seen, they were never heard, they were 500 00:23:19,400 --> 00:23:22,480 Speaker 2: never encouraged, and now they're just like anyone else out there, 501 00:23:22,520 --> 00:23:25,119 Speaker 2: based in fear, trying to fucking survive, and that's the 502 00:23:25,240 --> 00:23:27,840 Speaker 2: human experience. And it's hard, you know, And so I 503 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:29,919 Speaker 2: come from as much compassion as I can. But at 504 00:23:29,960 --> 00:23:32,360 Speaker 2: the same time, I have my tough love where when 505 00:23:32,359 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 2: someone's ready to hear it, I tell them to pull 506 00:23:34,119 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 2: their head out of the ass and realize they're extraordinary 507 00:23:36,800 --> 00:23:38,720 Speaker 2: and be responsible for your existence, you know. 508 00:23:38,680 --> 00:23:41,000 Speaker 3: Geat intervene in your own behavior. You and back would 509 00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:42,800 Speaker 3: get along. I'm introduced you guys. Maybe we'll I'll get 510 00:23:42,800 --> 00:23:43,320 Speaker 3: on one time. 511 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: I think you're great. 512 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:47,040 Speaker 3: I think this was really interesting and I'm so grateful. 513 00:23:47,160 --> 00:23:49,080 Speaker 3: This is a great conversation. Hopefully you'll come back. 514 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:50,800 Speaker 2: Yeah, no, thank you for having me on. 515 00:23:50,920 --> 00:23:53,080 Speaker 1: Awesome. Thank you so much. We'll talk again soon. 516 00:23:53,400 --> 00:24:04,119 Speaker 2: Pleasure to be with you. Thank you to the 517 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:15,000 Speaker 3: Ass went back the faster