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Speaker 2: Welcome to Patriots Unfiltered.

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Speaker 3: And they get Albert Breer and he's still calling around

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Speaker 3: the league asking now people to evaluate Alex van Pel.

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Speaker 3: It's like, get off of it. We don't need outside

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Speaker 3: That's what's passionate rant Okay.

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Speaker 4: The things he gets passionate about it.

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Speaker 3: Sometimes No, it's just it's just just get off of it.

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Speaker 4: I think that's relevant.

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Speaker 3: But they don't know anything more than we know. All

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Speaker 4: But they're giving you an unbiased view. No one really

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Speaker 3: But that's my point is that's all they can tell them.

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Speaker 3: They can't give him any insight what offensive QUI or

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Speaker 3: he doesn't want to keep their quarterback out of third

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Speaker 3: and long situations. Oh, we love it here in Seattle.

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Speaker 4: It's ridiculous, like you're being an andy like now.

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Speaker 3: But that's what they said. Alex looks on, probably in

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Speaker 3: complete bewilderment of them arguing, arguing in agreement.

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Speaker 5: I feel like when mom and dad are fighting and

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Speaker 3: Pick a side.

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Speaker 6: You were stuck in one of.

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Speaker 7: Those like when two dogs are fighting each other and

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Speaker 7: you're like, why jumping them is in the amal too.

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Speaker 6: It's fun to listen to, but at the same time,

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Speaker 6: like they're You're like, are they arguing the same thing?

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Speaker 6: I'm like, I'd get in on this if there was

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Speaker 3: All right, welcome the Patriots Unfiltered. It is Tuesday here, Joe,

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Speaker 4: Because because Blood flows Red on the Highway, I.

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Speaker 6: Think we're gonna add movie trailer voice to Fred's.

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Speaker 4: Red in a World with Jason Bateman.

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Speaker 3: And then you have to have the music swell some

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Speaker 4: Right, Mike, did you like that the lead in there,

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Speaker 4: the little little promo?

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Speaker 3: Do you like the argument?

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Speaker 4: It was kind of like role reversal. Fred was in

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Speaker 6: That was kind of calm, Well, you weren't doing the

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Speaker 6: Fred thing and like kind of egging him on a

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Speaker 6: little bit you weren't throwing some raw meat at the dog.

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Speaker 4: Because I didn't need to. He kind of opened with that,

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Speaker 3: Let them just let him go, just let him run,

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Speaker 3: Just leave Alex van pell alone. Anyway, all right, we're back.

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Speaker 3: It's Paul, it's Deuce, it's me. Evan'll be here later

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Speaker 3: talking Patriots. And boy, that was a step back. That

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Speaker 3: was a step back in Drake's game and the team overall.

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Speaker 3: But you know, that's the way this season is gonna go.

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Speaker 3: This was a dip. Hopefully they can respond this week

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Speaker 3: against the Cults. But it was not a good week

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Speaker 6: It wasn't. I mean, I said on the post game show,

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Speaker 4: May scrabbles for six yards, Stevenson for nine yards. Okay,

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Speaker 4: here we go first and ten. Penalty false start Jacobs

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Speaker 4: Here's who four. We're only seeing when it cost kidsas

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Speaker 4: so like, there's four penalties on one drive. You move

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Speaker 4: They gave the gate the give up call where they

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Speaker 4: They missed the field goal, and that was it. Game's over. Fourteen. Like,

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Speaker 4: you just can't play that way. They're not good enough.

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Speaker 3: And because of that, it's another rough week for the

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Speaker 3: saying this is all because of a lack of discipline,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and I kind of thought that they had moved

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Speaker 6: Big theme today in the locker room too, was just

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Speaker 6: just so many blown coverages. I know Kyle Dugger was

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Speaker 6: those guys that they've retained just aren't stepping into these

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I agree.

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Speaker 3: And here's the thing. Last week, they played a similar

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Speaker 3: It comes down to the players on the field. They're

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Speaker 3: and you're seeing things and you know you're not reacting

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Speaker 3: But you know, to everyone's point that they've been making

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Speaker 3: And it's we're seeing it with the quarterback too. I

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Speaker 3: But he's doing this because he's pressing. He wants to

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Speaker 4: These two turnovers I absolutely put in mad care. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: this wasn't This game didn't get out of hand because

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Speaker 4: got to be feeling I go to make a play here, Yeah, right,

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Speaker 4: Like we can't just I can't just throw it away

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Speaker 4: now leading to the things that the detractors talk about,

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Speaker 3: It's not how you want to live. Back to the

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Speaker 4: Or doesn't sound it, no, what about like he's ready?

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Speaker 4: In that guard and move a went back out at tackle.

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Speaker 6: cause all this rejiggering along the offensive line. I'd like

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Speaker 4: don't know, decreasing or whatever. I think his performance has

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Speaker 6: No, And actually Scott Peters has asked about that last

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Speaker 4: Ben Brown has not handled one of those interior tackle

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Speaker 6: Yeah, I'd love to see Wallace come back at some point.

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Speaker 6: because they know they have an opportunity to have home

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00:19:51,994 --> 00:19:54,394
Speaker 6: field advantage, and they're in the mix, and they're holding

434
00:19:54,434 --> 00:19:56,393
Speaker 6: each other accountable because they want, you know, and so

435
00:19:56,833 --> 00:19:59,234
Speaker 6: I think those things snowball. But the snowball goes in

436
00:19:59,234 --> 00:20:00,834
Speaker 6: both directions. When you're out of this, it.

437
00:20:00,754 --> 00:20:06,194
Speaker 3: Says something that I wonder if it's occurring, and it

438
00:20:06,234 --> 00:20:09,633
Speaker 3: is they hold each other accountable. The self policing of.

439
00:20:09,634 --> 00:20:10,274
Speaker 4: The locker room.

440
00:20:10,313 --> 00:20:12,994
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, we've heard Dante said in the past

441
00:20:13,033 --> 00:20:15,794
Speaker 3: he knew that they had a good team when the

442
00:20:15,793 --> 00:20:19,474
Speaker 3: locker room started to police itself. And you wonder, who

443
00:20:19,553 --> 00:20:24,033
Speaker 3: are the guys right now that are holding the other

444
00:20:24,073 --> 00:20:27,073
Speaker 3: guys accountable. Who are the policemen in the locker room.

445
00:20:27,154 --> 00:20:29,114
Speaker 3: I don't know the answer to that. No, I don't

446
00:20:29,114 --> 00:20:30,433
Speaker 3: know if there is an answer to that.

447
00:20:31,434 --> 00:20:33,954
Speaker 6: And I think your policemen are usually kind of scary guys,

448
00:20:34,033 --> 00:20:38,714
Speaker 6: right like William McGinn, Guys credibility.

449
00:20:38,394 --> 00:20:40,434
Speaker 3: That you you know, Okay, I'm going to listen to

450
00:20:40,474 --> 00:20:42,273
Speaker 3: this guy because he knows what he's talking about.

451
00:20:42,833 --> 00:20:44,474
Speaker 6: So it gets harder, you know, it gets harder.

452
00:20:44,474 --> 00:20:46,674
Speaker 4: And I agree with Mike's point, you know, and we're

453
00:20:46,714 --> 00:20:49,913
Speaker 4: not trying to be critical of, you know, the Belichick regime,

454
00:20:49,994 --> 00:20:53,194
Speaker 4: but it was very similar to It was different but

455
00:20:53,234 --> 00:20:56,714
Speaker 4: similar Like last year, I think they weren't really heavily penalized,

456
00:20:56,754 --> 00:21:01,234
Speaker 4: but you saw similar kind of performances with breakdowns in

457
00:21:01,353 --> 00:21:05,714
Speaker 4: key spots, you know, defensively when they played against quality opponents,

458
00:21:05,874 --> 00:21:10,033
Speaker 4: and you know, you get like these weird plays that

459
00:21:10,073 --> 00:21:12,313
Speaker 4: would happen every once in a while, and you just

460
00:21:12,394 --> 00:21:14,954
Speaker 4: like the things that prevent you from winning. This year,

461
00:21:15,073 --> 00:21:18,714
Speaker 4: it's a lot of just really correctable stuff, like the

462
00:21:18,754 --> 00:21:21,914
Speaker 4: pre snap penalties that have been a periodic problem all year,

463
00:21:22,434 --> 00:21:26,393
Speaker 4: going back to the summer. So it's been just similar

464
00:21:26,553 --> 00:21:29,553
Speaker 4: kind of a lack of discipline and lack of talent,

465
00:21:30,194 --> 00:21:32,194
Speaker 4: but it's sort of unfolding and manifested.

466
00:21:32,273 --> 00:21:34,513
Speaker 6: I'd also just you know, throw the end of game

467
00:21:34,513 --> 00:21:36,513
Speaker 6: with the Raiders a couple of years ago, as you know,

468
00:21:36,553 --> 00:21:38,594
Speaker 6: it's it's just an example of a team that's like

469
00:21:38,994 --> 00:21:41,593
Speaker 6: just so trying to do too much and so in

470
00:21:41,634 --> 00:21:44,554
Speaker 6: their own heads that they just start making stupid mistakes

471
00:21:44,593 --> 00:21:46,714
Speaker 6: and doing things that you know, usually those kind of

472
00:21:46,714 --> 00:21:48,313
Speaker 6: teams wouldn't do.

473
00:21:48,313 --> 00:21:50,633
Speaker 3: Do your job. Just do your job.

474
00:21:50,593 --> 00:21:53,353
Speaker 6: Just that simple. If only it was that easy.

475
00:21:53,634 --> 00:21:55,793
Speaker 4: So what was the you know, you always ask us

476
00:21:55,833 --> 00:21:58,033
Speaker 4: what the mood is like? You asked Evan and Mike

477
00:21:58,114 --> 00:22:02,113
Speaker 4: in the locker room out of practice. What I'm curious

478
00:22:02,194 --> 00:22:04,353
Speaker 4: what it was like in Miami, Like with you guys

479
00:22:04,353 --> 00:22:05,194
Speaker 4: in the press box.

480
00:22:06,434 --> 00:22:08,994
Speaker 3: You know, what was the Well, the Miami press boxes,

481
00:22:09,194 --> 00:22:12,394
Speaker 3: you guys are all because it's spread out, you don't

482
00:22:12,394 --> 00:22:15,953
Speaker 3: really hear or even see other people the way it is.

483
00:22:16,593 --> 00:22:19,033
Speaker 4: It is a difference. Yeah, Mike, you wouldn't know this.

484
00:22:19,313 --> 00:22:21,874
Speaker 6: Yeah I didn't because I didn't go to a super Bowl.

485
00:22:21,874 --> 00:22:23,393
Speaker 6: Oh wait, no, this something you don't go anywhere.

486
00:22:23,474 --> 00:22:26,754
Speaker 3: Yeah. I didn't get a sense from anyone of a mood,

487
00:22:28,033 --> 00:22:31,313
Speaker 3: you know, from anyone. I know there was reports afterwards

488
00:22:31,313 --> 00:22:33,393
Speaker 3: from a couple of writers about guys yuck in and

489
00:22:33,474 --> 00:22:35,793
Speaker 3: up in the locker room in terms of the Patriots,

490
00:22:35,833 --> 00:22:41,513
Speaker 3: But I had a problem with that Okay, so why

491
00:22:41,513 --> 00:22:42,234
Speaker 3: don't we explain.

492
00:22:42,353 --> 00:22:44,914
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, Fred just sort of set the table there.

493
00:22:44,914 --> 00:22:48,433
Speaker 4: There was a couple of different writers were mentioning that

494
00:22:48,513 --> 00:22:50,994
Speaker 4: it didn't seem like it was a locker room after

495
00:22:51,033 --> 00:22:56,073
Speaker 4: the game. That was indicative of the game how badly

496
00:22:56,114 --> 00:22:58,354
Speaker 4: they got beat. They were, you know, not that they

497
00:22:58,353 --> 00:23:00,234
Speaker 4: were having a party, but they just thought it was

498
00:23:00,273 --> 00:23:04,033
Speaker 4: a little lighter than you would expect. Because I read

499
00:23:04,353 --> 00:23:07,154
Speaker 4: four or five different writers. I think I saw Mark Daniels,

500
00:23:07,394 --> 00:23:09,554
Speaker 4: I think I saw Greg Bdard, I think I saw

501
00:23:09,593 --> 00:23:12,474
Speaker 4: Andrew Callahan, and they were kind of across the board,

502
00:23:12,634 --> 00:23:16,113
Speaker 4: not saying that it was a party, but just thought

503
00:23:16,114 --> 00:23:17,914
Speaker 4: it was a little odd that it was a little

504
00:23:17,954 --> 00:23:21,234
Speaker 4: bit lighter mood than you would expect after that loss,

505
00:23:21,513 --> 00:23:24,194
Speaker 4: that kind of a loss. What I didn't like was

506
00:23:24,234 --> 00:23:27,073
Speaker 4: sort of Drake May seemed to be the only one

507
00:23:27,114 --> 00:23:30,513
Speaker 4: who took the loss seriously, like really, like you had

508
00:23:30,553 --> 00:23:34,073
Speaker 4: fifty two guys that were playing poker, you know, after

509
00:23:34,114 --> 00:23:35,714
Speaker 4: the game, Like I don't really.

510
00:23:35,513 --> 00:23:37,434
Speaker 6: You know why it never looks like he's last feet.

511
00:23:37,513 --> 00:23:40,714
Speaker 4: You know. And I'm not suggesting that these guys had

512
00:23:40,754 --> 00:23:43,994
Speaker 4: it wrong. I wasn't there, so I'm not suggesting that

513
00:23:43,994 --> 00:23:48,033
Speaker 4: anybody had a bad report. I think they probably all accurately,

514
00:23:49,634 --> 00:23:51,754
Speaker 4: you know, conveyed. I talked to Mike Reese about it.

515
00:23:51,754 --> 00:23:54,553
Speaker 4: He said he didn't really see much of that. Just

516
00:23:54,593 --> 00:23:56,793
Speaker 4: as a guy who saw it a little bit differently,

517
00:23:57,114 --> 00:23:58,754
Speaker 4: I just find it hard to believe that the one

518
00:23:58,754 --> 00:24:02,593
Speaker 4: and only guy that was gutted after the loss was

519
00:24:02,674 --> 00:24:04,793
Speaker 4: Drake May. I just think that's too convenient for me.

520
00:24:05,553 --> 00:24:07,393
Speaker 4: You know, I watched Drake May play the game. I

521
00:24:07,434 --> 00:24:09,433
Speaker 4: know how he felt. I know he didn't feel like

522
00:24:09,474 --> 00:24:12,073
Speaker 4: he played very well. He reiterated that Mike and I

523
00:24:12,114 --> 00:24:15,394
Speaker 4: saw him when he spoke to us a little while ago.

524
00:24:16,194 --> 00:24:18,434
Speaker 4: I think that the turnovers are really on his mind.

525
00:24:20,474 --> 00:24:24,353
Speaker 4: Just twelve turnovers now and seven starts right, it's seven

526
00:24:24,394 --> 00:24:28,994
Speaker 4: picks and five. I think that that's on his mind.

527
00:24:28,994 --> 00:24:30,474
Speaker 4: I don't think he feels like he played well. I

528
00:24:30,513 --> 00:24:32,434
Speaker 4: just find it hard to believe that he's the only one.

529
00:24:32,593 --> 00:24:33,594
Speaker 3: Yeah, right, you.

530
00:24:33,553 --> 00:24:35,314
Speaker 4: Know, And that's kind of the way it was portrayed

531
00:24:35,353 --> 00:24:38,114
Speaker 4: a little bit. So that's I'm not questioning. Please don't.

532
00:24:38,154 --> 00:24:39,793
Speaker 4: This is not one of those things that needs to

533
00:24:39,793 --> 00:24:43,313
Speaker 4: go viral. Like, I'm not saying that the writers didn't

534
00:24:43,313 --> 00:24:45,874
Speaker 4: get it right, I just I just think that they

535
00:24:45,914 --> 00:24:47,834
Speaker 4: kind of go out of your way because right now

536
00:24:47,874 --> 00:24:49,754
Speaker 4: the fair haired boy is Drake May. So we're going

537
00:24:49,793 --> 00:24:52,273
Speaker 4: to make sure we make him there trying to. It

538
00:24:52,313 --> 00:24:53,074
Speaker 4: wasn't Drake May.

539
00:24:53,154 --> 00:24:54,434
Speaker 6: He's the main character.

540
00:24:54,194 --> 00:24:56,513
Speaker 3: And the only he's being let down by everybody on

541
00:24:56,553 --> 00:24:59,034
Speaker 3: the team. Now, yeah, they're creating that, you.

542
00:24:58,994 --> 00:25:01,793
Speaker 4: Know what I mean? Yeah, it was a Fredlake aside,

543
00:25:02,073 --> 00:25:03,674
Speaker 4: like a little knit to pick.

544
00:25:04,194 --> 00:25:07,353
Speaker 3: Fair enough, fair enough. Yeah, So back to your original question. Now,

545
00:25:07,394 --> 00:25:10,754
Speaker 3: I didn't sense a mood in the press box for sure.

546
00:25:11,394 --> 00:25:14,194
Speaker 3: It was pretty quiet professional.

547
00:25:13,914 --> 00:25:15,033
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would hope.

548
00:25:15,073 --> 00:25:19,154
Speaker 3: So, yeah, I will say that, you know, the press

549
00:25:19,154 --> 00:25:24,313
Speaker 3: box itself stinks. The food stinks in Miami, but there's

550
00:25:24,353 --> 00:25:28,194
Speaker 3: an intro into net hard wire at every seat much

551
00:25:28,353 --> 00:25:32,994
Speaker 3: much uh much appreciated. So in terms of my technology,

552
00:25:33,033 --> 00:25:36,553
Speaker 3: everything was very smooth. No hot dogs, no hot dogs

553
00:25:37,114 --> 00:25:38,513
Speaker 3: really not not good food.

554
00:25:38,833 --> 00:25:40,194
Speaker 6: Not good food Miami.

555
00:25:41,073 --> 00:25:42,954
Speaker 3: Although the night before we went to a place in

556
00:25:43,754 --> 00:25:44,754
Speaker 3: called Mastros.

557
00:25:44,874 --> 00:25:48,074
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, is that is that like that? I don't

558
00:25:48,114 --> 00:25:49,354
Speaker 6: want to call it a chain, but I think there's

559
00:25:49,353 --> 00:25:49,914
Speaker 6: a Mastros.

560
00:25:49,994 --> 00:25:50,754
Speaker 3: I think there's like four.

561
00:25:52,073 --> 00:25:55,154
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's fine. I've never heard of the steaks

562
00:25:55,394 --> 00:26:01,033
Speaker 4: person I've heard of good stuff. I just came out

563
00:26:01,073 --> 00:26:02,793
Speaker 4: like purple to a baggy sweatrop.

564
00:26:03,634 --> 00:26:06,793
Speaker 3: Although I bought, I bought. I bought some people drinks.

565
00:26:06,793 --> 00:26:09,474
Speaker 3: I bought four drinks. It was over one hundred dollars.

566
00:26:09,073 --> 00:26:09,913
Speaker 4: For four drinks.

567
00:26:09,994 --> 00:26:10,914
Speaker 6: Yeah, what was it?

568
00:26:11,033 --> 00:26:14,474
Speaker 4: Holy smokes? Yeah, you expense that right especial martinis.

569
00:26:15,154 --> 00:26:21,474
Speaker 3: We can't, you can't. I wish I could. Yeah. So

570
00:26:21,634 --> 00:26:25,154
Speaker 3: it was two old fashions, which, by the way, Graham

571
00:26:25,874 --> 00:26:26,553
Speaker 3: to old fashions?

572
00:26:26,593 --> 00:26:28,474
Speaker 4: Do you like an old fashioned? I don't drink a

573
00:26:28,513 --> 00:26:31,434
Speaker 4: lot of I don't drink a lot of hard liquor like.

574
00:26:31,394 --> 00:26:33,153
Speaker 6: The bitters made a lot.

575
00:26:33,154 --> 00:26:35,834
Speaker 4: Just like a beer guy. But I'll drink an old

576
00:26:35,833 --> 00:26:37,074
Speaker 4: fashion everything too.

577
00:26:37,073 --> 00:26:42,673
Speaker 3: Old fashions one Jamison straight up and uh tequila and soda.

578
00:26:43,833 --> 00:26:46,074
Speaker 6: I mean that's right there, that's where one hundred bucks.

579
00:26:46,154 --> 00:26:48,033
Speaker 4: Mike, did that? Even cast you that in l A.

580
00:26:48,954 --> 00:26:52,234
Speaker 6: No, maybe some places, but those all sound like drinks

581
00:26:52,273 --> 00:26:54,033
Speaker 6: that would have made up my little restaurant in Cape

582
00:26:54,033 --> 00:26:56,273
Speaker 6: cod like the old fashion doing the muddling and you know,

583
00:26:56,793 --> 00:26:58,674
Speaker 6: a Manhattan plus plus.

584
00:26:59,793 --> 00:27:02,954
Speaker 3: I forgot my phone in the uber. Oh gee, so

585
00:27:03,033 --> 00:27:05,154
Speaker 3: we had to call the uber driver and he came

586
00:27:05,194 --> 00:27:06,114
Speaker 3: back and so I.

587
00:27:06,073 --> 00:27:07,634
Speaker 4: Had area him.

588
00:27:07,954 --> 00:27:10,474
Speaker 3: I had to grease him. So it was an expensive

589
00:27:10,553 --> 00:27:15,234
Speaker 3: night for Medy.

590
00:27:15,714 --> 00:27:17,353
Speaker 6: You dressed up like Crockett and tubs. You have the

591
00:27:17,353 --> 00:27:19,234
Speaker 6: whole like Miami thing going on. You know.

592
00:27:19,714 --> 00:27:21,914
Speaker 3: There were rumors that Shequille O'Neal was in the restaurant,

593
00:27:21,914 --> 00:27:23,114
Speaker 3: but we didn't go seek him out.

594
00:27:23,234 --> 00:27:26,554
Speaker 4: We've had something really really good to Miami over the years.

595
00:27:26,593 --> 00:27:27,673
Speaker 4: There's had some good dinners.

596
00:27:27,793 --> 00:27:28,394
Speaker 6: I've heard many.

597
00:27:28,434 --> 00:27:31,593
Speaker 3: I've heard many anyway, So that was the highlight of

598
00:27:31,634 --> 00:27:32,994
Speaker 3: the weekend because of the game.

599
00:27:33,273 --> 00:27:34,513
Speaker 4: So yeah, that's true.

600
00:27:35,434 --> 00:27:37,234
Speaker 3: What do we think do we have a shot against

601
00:27:37,273 --> 00:27:37,754
Speaker 3: the Colts?

602
00:27:38,033 --> 00:27:40,914
Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, I think they do, But I I don't

603
00:27:40,914 --> 00:27:42,754
Speaker 6: want to like say it's a big game and the

604
00:27:42,833 --> 00:27:44,674
Speaker 6: sense of it being a real big game, but yeah,

605
00:27:44,714 --> 00:27:47,234
Speaker 6: it's it's the last time they're going to really I think, BEF,

606
00:27:47,353 --> 00:27:49,314
Speaker 6: you have a chance, like at least on paper going

607
00:27:49,353 --> 00:27:50,793
Speaker 6: into the game, like not to say they have no

608
00:27:50,874 --> 00:27:52,434
Speaker 6: chance upsets.

609
00:27:52,474 --> 00:27:54,754
Speaker 4: You don't need to necessarily pull an upset in this one.

610
00:27:55,033 --> 00:27:57,193
Speaker 4: But I called it like when we were taping our

611
00:27:57,234 --> 00:27:59,754
Speaker 4: TV earlier. It's not like it's hard to say when

612
00:27:59,793 --> 00:28:01,914
Speaker 4: you're three and nine, it's a must win because obviously

613
00:28:01,954 --> 00:28:03,713
Speaker 4: the you know, the playoffs are out of the picture,

614
00:28:04,194 --> 00:28:05,634
Speaker 4: but it's a must respond.

615
00:28:05,754 --> 00:28:06,674
Speaker 6: I feel the same way.

616
00:28:06,674 --> 00:28:10,353
Speaker 4: You have to, like what's early lines two and a

617
00:28:10,394 --> 00:28:14,154
Speaker 4: half or three underdogs? Underdogs, Yeah, sort of vacillated.

618
00:28:15,033 --> 00:28:18,074
Speaker 3: So you get two at home for an outdoor stadium,

619
00:28:18,234 --> 00:28:18,994
Speaker 3: so like five.

620
00:28:20,714 --> 00:28:23,113
Speaker 6: I mean, but I agree, Paul. I mean, I was

621
00:28:23,273 --> 00:28:26,154
Speaker 6: trying to delicately put it, but you're right. I mean,

622
00:28:26,194 --> 00:28:28,553
Speaker 6: this is a home game. You know they will have

623
00:28:28,593 --> 00:28:29,954
Speaker 6: two home games at the end of the year. But

624
00:28:30,593 --> 00:28:32,633
Speaker 6: it's an important game. I mean, I you know, I

625
00:28:32,714 --> 00:28:34,714
Speaker 6: just I don't think that this colts teams all that great.

626
00:28:34,833 --> 00:28:35,714
Speaker 6: I mean, I.

627
00:28:35,593 --> 00:28:40,394
Speaker 4: Think wise they're missing a quarterback and can effectively run

628
00:28:40,434 --> 00:28:43,954
Speaker 4: an offense. But and this is another game you want

629
00:28:43,954 --> 00:28:45,714
Speaker 4: to you want to make fun of the other team.

630
00:28:45,834 --> 00:28:47,914
Speaker 4: You can do it all you want, go down player

631
00:28:47,954 --> 00:28:49,554
Speaker 4: for player and tell me how many of you'd take

632
00:28:50,434 --> 00:28:50,913
Speaker 4: a lot.

633
00:28:51,514 --> 00:28:54,354
Speaker 6: But if you want to talk about this defense, and

634
00:28:54,394 --> 00:28:57,274
Speaker 6: we all know what Anthony Anthony Richardson experience has been

635
00:28:57,354 --> 00:28:59,554
Speaker 6: like this year. If he goes out with this defense

636
00:28:59,634 --> 00:29:01,714
Speaker 6: and he picks them apart, and he looks all of

637
00:29:01,754 --> 00:29:04,554
Speaker 6: a sudden like he's getting it now, Like that's gonna

638
00:29:04,554 --> 00:29:05,314
Speaker 6: be that's gonna.

639
00:29:05,074 --> 00:29:07,514
Speaker 4: Be tough, tough pill seven.

640
00:29:08,834 --> 00:29:11,714
Speaker 6: Completion percentage, that's what he completes.

641
00:29:11,834 --> 00:29:14,594
Speaker 3: So you're gonna force him to throw, You're gonna load

642
00:29:14,634 --> 00:29:15,674
Speaker 3: the box. What are you doing?

643
00:29:15,754 --> 00:29:15,794
Speaker 9: No?

644
00:29:15,914 --> 00:29:18,474
Speaker 4: What they do? Yes, I would, I would try everything

645
00:29:18,514 --> 00:29:21,834
Speaker 4: you have to make sure you stop Jonathan Taylor. But

646
00:29:23,154 --> 00:29:26,474
Speaker 4: to Mike's point, if a guy who completes forty seven

647
00:29:26,514 --> 00:29:29,474
Speaker 4: percent of his throws comes in here and completes sixty

648
00:29:29,474 --> 00:29:31,314
Speaker 4: five percent, that's.

649
00:29:31,114 --> 00:29:32,234
Speaker 3: A problem to pay.

650
00:29:32,354 --> 00:29:34,434
Speaker 4: Now. That's what he did against the Jets the first

651
00:29:34,474 --> 00:29:36,954
Speaker 4: game that he came back from the benching. He was

652
00:29:37,034 --> 00:29:39,674
Speaker 4: much more efficient. And the Jets defense is obviously in

653
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Speaker 4: disarray that whole I mean, yeah, they're hiring their old

654
00:29:44,674 --> 00:29:47,034
Speaker 4: GM to be a head hunter for a new chief.

655
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Speaker 4: I don't even know what's going on there right, it's unbelievable,

656
00:29:53,474 --> 00:29:56,113
Speaker 4: like you would have to make that stuff up. But

657
00:29:57,474 --> 00:30:00,274
Speaker 4: if Richardson comes in here and looks efficient, like I'm

658
00:30:00,274 --> 00:30:02,754
Speaker 4: not talking about make plays because I expect him to

659
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Speaker 4: make plays. Even last game he was eleven for twenty

660
00:30:05,434 --> 00:30:09,794
Speaker 4: eight for one hundred and seventy two yards, Like he's

661
00:30:09,834 --> 00:30:13,713
Speaker 4: going to get the ball downfield to Alec Pierce and

662
00:30:13,914 --> 00:30:16,914
Speaker 4: Michael Pittman. And I mean, I think you're going to

663
00:30:16,994 --> 00:30:18,874
Speaker 4: catch a break and not see Josh downs.

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Speaker 3: Big Brendan's schooler game, Big Brendan's schooler game.

665
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Speaker 4: I don't like that matchup long do not like that?

666
00:30:23,994 --> 00:30:25,474
Speaker 6: Oh it's a tough tackle for him.

667
00:30:25,634 --> 00:30:27,234
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't like that match.

668
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Speaker 3: To just get in his face, don't let just just

669
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Speaker 3: don't let him see what he's throwing at.

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Speaker 6: He'll still throw it, He'll have a guy.

671
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I don't expect him to look, you know, like

672
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Speaker 4: Tua did you know, and just have this rhythmic just

673
00:30:41,034 --> 00:30:44,314
Speaker 4: dissection of the defense. That's not what Richardson is about.

674
00:30:44,914 --> 00:30:48,354
Speaker 4: But if he make a big play or two, you

675
00:30:48,434 --> 00:30:50,234
Speaker 4: get Taylor twenty five carries?

676
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Speaker 3: How are they up? Defense?

677
00:30:52,434 --> 00:30:55,113
Speaker 4: Is really Drake really good upfront on defense?

678
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Speaker 6: I got some good players.

679
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Speaker 4: There's this a Forrest Buckner and Grover Stewart inside is

680
00:30:58,914 --> 00:31:02,434
Speaker 4: a really, really good tandem of defensive tackles. Quinn he

681
00:31:02,514 --> 00:31:07,434
Speaker 4: pays a guy that's, you know, not an elite edge rusher, but.

682
00:31:08,554 --> 00:31:09,393
Speaker 6: Like four or five sacks.

683
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Speaker 3: So is this a bad week for changes on the

684
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Speaker 3: offensive line?

685
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Speaker 6: I don't know. I mean, look, every week is tough.

686
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Speaker 6: I don't I mean, I don't think this is an

687
00:31:17,714 --> 00:31:20,354
Speaker 6: exotic defense. They're heavy zone. I mean, they're one of

688
00:31:20,354 --> 00:31:23,194
Speaker 6: the most zone in the league. So I think that

689
00:31:23,314 --> 00:31:25,714
Speaker 6: might be potentially favorable for Drake if he able to,

690
00:31:25,794 --> 00:31:26,954
Speaker 6: you know, find some of those holes.

691
00:31:26,954 --> 00:31:28,393
Speaker 4: But you might be able to run. They're not.

692
00:31:28,474 --> 00:31:30,594
Speaker 6: Yeah, they're not going to be you know, send guys

693
00:31:30,634 --> 00:31:32,274
Speaker 6: from all over the place. They're still kind of a

694
00:31:32,354 --> 00:31:33,714
Speaker 6: do what they do defense and play zone.

695
00:31:33,874 --> 00:31:37,153
Speaker 3: Are the Colts home versus away this season? Do we know?

696
00:31:37,314 --> 00:31:40,153
Speaker 4: I mean they've lost four their last five. You know,

697
00:31:40,194 --> 00:31:42,794
Speaker 4: they lost to Detroit last week. A game was reasonably

698
00:31:42,834 --> 00:31:44,594
Speaker 4: I think they were down fourteen to six of the half,

699
00:31:44,754 --> 00:31:50,034
Speaker 4: so it wasn't like they got blown out. But I

700
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Speaker 4: just don't think there's enough There's not enough efficiency with

701
00:31:54,594 --> 00:31:58,154
Speaker 4: Richardson Now, if he plays, you know, like he did

702
00:31:58,154 --> 00:32:00,474
Speaker 4: against the Jets and puts twenty eight on the board,

703
00:32:00,474 --> 00:32:01,634
Speaker 4: you're gonna be in trouble.

704
00:32:02,074 --> 00:32:04,434
Speaker 3: And the road two and four on the road. How

705
00:32:04,434 --> 00:32:06,714
Speaker 3: are they being coached this year? Are their coaches on

706
00:32:06,754 --> 00:32:07,314
Speaker 3: the hot seat?

707
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Speaker 4: Well, I mean Shane Steike and I know, like you know,

708
00:32:10,554 --> 00:32:13,714
Speaker 4: we talked a lot about Patriots had thirteen penalties in

709
00:32:13,794 --> 00:32:17,114
Speaker 4: this game, twelve eleven, I think. Okay, so I think

710
00:32:17,154 --> 00:32:19,194
Speaker 4: there was one. I think the Colts had won fewer

711
00:32:19,354 --> 00:32:22,514
Speaker 4: and Stiking has taken a lot of the responsibility. You know,

712
00:32:22,554 --> 00:32:25,634
Speaker 4: this is on me and how sloppy they've been. So yeah,

713
00:32:25,634 --> 00:32:27,954
Speaker 4: I mean, I think anytime you're in first or second

714
00:32:27,994 --> 00:32:31,074
Speaker 4: year and you're not having success, you're gonna you're gonna

715
00:32:31,074 --> 00:32:31,714
Speaker 4: be on the hot seat.

716
00:32:31,754 --> 00:32:34,554
Speaker 6: Yeah, they bench, they Prince Richardson and since he's been back,

717
00:32:34,554 --> 00:32:36,074
Speaker 6: they've been running them a little more. So he gets

718
00:32:36,114 --> 00:32:38,713
Speaker 6: about ten carries a game, so they'll they're not afraid

719
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Speaker 6: to get him and move him, especially in the red

720
00:32:40,794 --> 00:32:42,154
Speaker 6: zone where's he's pretty effective.

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Speaker 3: All right. The tpx utline is eight five to five

722
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Speaker 3: PATS five hundred. That's eight five five pats five hundred

723
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Speaker 3: podcasts at Patriots dot com. It's the email address, and

724
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Speaker 3: of course if you email the show, we will automatically

725
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Speaker 3: put you on the distribution list so you can get

726
00:32:58,874 --> 00:33:02,434
Speaker 3: the newsletter, which I know Alex has emailed us. We're

727
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Speaker 3: gonna have a special.

728
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Speaker 4: Already response is giving poll that we all have.

729
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Speaker 3: To respond to that'll be in this Friday's newsletter. So

730
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Speaker 3: I've got some interesting answers that I'll be giving for

731
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Speaker 3: that interest off the beaten pack.

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Speaker 4: I like when the guy calls his own answers interesting.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, does that surprise you know?

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Speaker 3: Well, we should also at some point talk about my

735
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Speaker 3: most hated list because from last newsletter.

736
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Speaker 4: Yeah, we definitely need to address that. But I missed,

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Speaker 4: I missed one.

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Speaker 3: I was first. Evan's here then has.

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Speaker 1: Returned prom practice, and has returned has returned PROMP practice.

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Speaker 11: Allright, Evan, A very brief look in to the Patriots

741
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Speaker 11: walk through today in the bubble you scribes out. They

742
00:33:50,994 --> 00:33:54,314
Speaker 11: kicked us scribes out in the bubble. Uh no pads,

743
00:33:54,594 --> 00:33:59,714
Speaker 11: walk through, attire, helmets, jerseys, and your Briel Peppers was

744
00:33:59,794 --> 00:34:02,914
Speaker 11: out at practice and they had perfect attendance on the

745
00:34:03,074 --> 00:34:04,594
Speaker 11: fifty three man rosters.

746
00:34:04,314 --> 00:34:05,234
Speaker 10: So everybody was there.

747
00:34:05,594 --> 00:34:06,514
Speaker 3: It was a walk through.

748
00:34:06,674 --> 00:34:09,434
Speaker 11: So it was a walkthrough. That's a big part of that.

749
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Speaker 11: So well we'll see what that looks like tomorrow. No

750
00:34:12,594 --> 00:34:16,154
Speaker 11: injury report today because technically they didn't have to practice today,

751
00:34:16,274 --> 00:34:21,234
Speaker 11: so injury reports wait for tomorrow, Thursday, Friday. Uh, so

752
00:34:21,354 --> 00:34:25,194
Speaker 11: you'll get a projected injury report on Thanksgiving.

753
00:34:25,434 --> 00:34:30,754
Speaker 3: Yeah, so everybody may not realize. But obviously Thanksgiving is Thursday.

754
00:34:31,154 --> 00:34:34,193
Speaker 3: The Patriots are off that day, so things are moved

755
00:34:34,274 --> 00:34:37,873
Speaker 3: up this week. Usually Tuesday is the day off for

756
00:34:37,994 --> 00:34:44,113
Speaker 3: the Patriots. They're practicing today and they'll practice tomorrow. They'll

757
00:34:44,194 --> 00:34:47,114
Speaker 3: have Thursday off and then they'll be back practicing on Friday.

758
00:34:47,234 --> 00:34:51,234
Speaker 3: For us, we will not have a show on Thursday,

759
00:34:51,554 --> 00:34:53,634
Speaker 3: so we have to move things up too. Tomorrow.

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Speaker 4: We're gonna have to hurry, Picks.

761
00:34:55,433 --> 00:34:57,954
Speaker 3: We are gonna have to hurry tomorrow. It's Thursday.

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00:34:59,234 --> 00:35:01,553
Speaker 4: That's what. Well, that's why we're already into Indianapolis. Now,

763
00:35:01,873 --> 00:35:02,194
Speaker 4: that's right.

764
00:35:02,594 --> 00:35:05,194
Speaker 3: Turn the page on Tuesday Wednesday.

765
00:35:05,594 --> 00:35:09,794
Speaker 6: Approach that topic. So well, we gotta get Evans thoughts

766
00:35:09,834 --> 00:35:12,953
Speaker 6: on the game. But if we don't, let's talk some film.

767
00:35:12,994 --> 00:35:13,074
Speaker 9: Bro.

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Speaker 3: I did read your review, and uh, you're not the

769
00:35:19,433 --> 00:35:22,513
Speaker 3: only one saying it. Jabrill Pepper is not what not

770
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Speaker 3: Jabrill Peppers Kyle Duggar a particularly tough day he did.

771
00:35:27,834 --> 00:35:32,314
Speaker 3: Some people are speculating he's got to be hurt, but like,

772
00:35:32,794 --> 00:35:35,873
Speaker 3: tell me why. This was out of the ordinary and

773
00:35:36,433 --> 00:35:37,714
Speaker 3: a really bad game for him.

774
00:35:37,913 --> 00:35:39,913
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean, I thought he had a hand in

775
00:35:40,034 --> 00:35:42,553
Speaker 11: all four touchdowns that they allowed in this game.

776
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Speaker 6: It was.

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Speaker 11: It was one of those games where you can just

778
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Speaker 11: see that he was swimming in it mentally, just eyes

779
00:35:49,314 --> 00:35:53,154
Speaker 11: weren't in the right places. Wasn't seeing through all of

780
00:35:53,274 --> 00:35:56,074
Speaker 11: the eye candy and motion and backfield action that this

781
00:35:56,194 --> 00:35:59,433
Speaker 11: Dolphins offense likes to throw at you. Well, a lot

782
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Speaker 11: of the time they throw, you know, some sort of

783
00:36:02,873 --> 00:36:05,154
Speaker 11: eye candy is what you know. We always call it,

784
00:36:05,234 --> 00:36:08,953
Speaker 11: the players call it in the backfield to just draw

785
00:36:09,074 --> 00:36:11,714
Speaker 11: your eyes away from where they actually want to throw

786
00:36:11,794 --> 00:36:14,834
Speaker 11: the ball. Like it doesn't always it's not always we're

787
00:36:14,834 --> 00:36:16,594
Speaker 11: going to motion this guy to throw them the football.

788
00:36:16,913 --> 00:36:19,274
Speaker 11: Sometimes it's we're going to motion this guy because we're

789
00:36:19,314 --> 00:36:21,354
Speaker 11: going to make you look over here, but we're actually.

790
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Speaker 10: Gonna throw the ball over there.

791
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Speaker 11: I thought that was the biggest issue for Dugger in

792
00:36:25,074 --> 00:36:27,234
Speaker 11: this game, was that his eyes were getting caught in

793
00:36:27,274 --> 00:36:30,354
Speaker 11: the backfield as this bug is going around fruit fly

794
00:36:30,754 --> 00:36:33,393
Speaker 11: and as you know, his eyes were getting caught in

795
00:36:33,433 --> 00:36:36,154
Speaker 11: the backfield. And then by the time he was reacting

796
00:36:36,274 --> 00:36:39,473
Speaker 11: to where they were actually trying to hit them defensively,

797
00:36:39,594 --> 00:36:42,393
Speaker 11: it was too late. So I said this to do

798
00:36:42,554 --> 00:36:44,994
Speaker 11: so earlier. Like Kyle Dugger is a much better football

799
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Speaker 11: player than what he showed on Sunday. I know people

800
00:36:47,994 --> 00:36:51,274
Speaker 11: have concerns about him and coverage, but it's one thing

801
00:36:51,514 --> 00:36:53,953
Speaker 11: for to give up a play and here or there.

802
00:36:54,354 --> 00:36:58,553
Speaker 11: This was right off the jump, just error error, error error.

803
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Speaker 3: So here's the question I have. This is a different

804
00:37:02,114 --> 00:37:08,194
Speaker 3: season role wise for Dougger than it was last year.

805
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Speaker 3: Do you think with Devin mccordy back there. Obviously with

806
00:37:13,274 --> 00:37:17,834
Speaker 3: mccaudy back there, Kyle Duggar's role changes. Yeah, but on

807
00:37:17,994 --> 00:37:22,073
Speaker 3: this game, maybe his responsibility was as much mental as

808
00:37:22,114 --> 00:37:25,194
Speaker 3: it was physical and he just was having.

809
00:37:24,994 --> 00:37:26,153
Speaker 4: A hard Yeah.

810
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Speaker 11: I do wonder, you know, Devin, obviously it was two

811
00:37:28,554 --> 00:37:32,034
Speaker 11: years ago, but like Jabriel Peppers isn't out there currently

812
00:37:32,114 --> 00:37:34,513
Speaker 11: at least in these games. And how much did he

813
00:37:34,634 --> 00:37:37,274
Speaker 11: get used to playing off of Jabriel Peppers And now

814
00:37:37,634 --> 00:37:40,274
Speaker 11: he's working with Mapu, he's working with Hawkins. You know,

815
00:37:40,354 --> 00:37:42,953
Speaker 11: he's working with guys that he doesn't have as much

816
00:37:43,034 --> 00:37:46,234
Speaker 11: experience with. But speaking to him after the game, it

817
00:37:46,794 --> 00:37:48,474
Speaker 11: he wore it like it wasn't.

818
00:37:48,433 --> 00:37:51,953
Speaker 10: Anything to do with role or anything like that. It's just,

819
00:37:52,074 --> 00:37:53,673
Speaker 10: you know, he just played poorly in the game.

820
00:37:53,834 --> 00:37:54,033
Speaker 4: Yeah.

821
00:37:54,074 --> 00:37:56,473
Speaker 6: I told Evan my experience as I did I ground

822
00:37:56,554 --> 00:37:59,593
Speaker 6: the defensive tape yesterday and the first play of the game.

823
00:37:59,634 --> 00:38:01,473
Speaker 6: I put on the first defensive play of the game,

824
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Speaker 6: and I didn't really notice him playing bad during the game,

825
00:38:03,994 --> 00:38:05,074
Speaker 6: to be honest, when we watched.

826
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Speaker 3: It on TV.

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Speaker 6: When you see it on TV, but first play, and

828
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Speaker 6: I well, that's what I was trying to do for

829
00:38:10,994 --> 00:38:14,033
Speaker 6: out grinding it, and he just looked like he wasn't

830
00:38:14,074 --> 00:38:16,234
Speaker 6: really running like and like the first play, and I

831
00:38:16,314 --> 00:38:18,674
Speaker 6: was like jeez. And so continued on and saw a

832
00:38:18,714 --> 00:38:20,234
Speaker 6: lot of the stuff like Evan's talking with the eight

833
00:38:20,314 --> 00:38:23,993
Speaker 6: chan touchdown to me totally like he's watching it at first,

834
00:38:24,034 --> 00:38:26,034
Speaker 6: and then he goes and he just following things to

835
00:38:26,074 --> 00:38:28,034
Speaker 6: the right and he has no chance on it. But

836
00:38:28,473 --> 00:38:30,314
Speaker 6: but then my experience was then I like went like

837
00:38:30,354 --> 00:38:31,913
Speaker 6: on look at Twitter, and like the first thing that

838
00:38:31,953 --> 00:38:34,113
Speaker 6: pops up is like there's like a cut up out

839
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Speaker 6: there of Kyle Dugard that like somebody put out of

840
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Speaker 6: like all his bad plays. So yeah, he I don't

841
00:38:39,754 --> 00:38:41,873
Speaker 6: know what it is, but he just had a bad game.

842
00:38:42,034 --> 00:38:43,953
Speaker 11: Yeah he gave up, but I think it was it

843
00:38:44,074 --> 00:38:46,554
Speaker 11: came down a seventy six yards in coverage, which for

844
00:38:46,754 --> 00:38:50,513
Speaker 11: safety is is quite a bit PFF assigned him with

845
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Speaker 11: two touchdowns, but like I said, I thought he could

846
00:38:53,074 --> 00:38:55,393
Speaker 11: have made a play on all four and wasn't able to.

847
00:38:56,114 --> 00:38:58,873
Speaker 11: And look, I they need him to be better than that,

848
00:38:59,074 --> 00:39:00,674
Speaker 11: that's for sure. I mean he's a captain, he's a

849
00:39:00,714 --> 00:39:01,473
Speaker 11: guy they just paid.

850
00:39:01,554 --> 00:39:02,234
Speaker 10: He needs to be better.

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00:39:02,314 --> 00:39:06,354
Speaker 3: I mean you have to give, you know, credit to

852
00:39:06,393 --> 00:39:09,674
Speaker 3: the other team. I mean McDaniel had this defense in

853
00:39:09,754 --> 00:39:12,993
Speaker 3: a blender for most of the game. I think you know,

854
00:39:13,074 --> 00:39:16,034
Speaker 3: if you're a Dolphin fan, you're probably like, oh, this

855
00:39:16,234 --> 00:39:19,314
Speaker 3: is this is our this is who McDaniel is. You're

856
00:39:19,433 --> 00:39:20,354
Speaker 3: you're pretty exciting.

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00:39:20,433 --> 00:39:22,154
Speaker 4: That's been what it is to you a point. That's

858
00:39:22,194 --> 00:39:24,794
Speaker 4: what they've looked like for five weeks. Yeah, since since

859
00:39:24,834 --> 00:39:27,873
Speaker 4: he came. It's twenty nine a game now. Yeah, so

860
00:39:28,354 --> 00:39:31,074
Speaker 4: you know, I know that people, especially around here, do

861
00:39:31,194 --> 00:39:34,993
Speaker 4: not want to say it. Yeah, he's a pretty good quarterback.

862
00:39:35,154 --> 00:39:37,514
Speaker 4: And if you want to say it's just for that system, fine,

863
00:39:37,514 --> 00:39:39,354
Speaker 4: I'm not smart enough to tell you if he could

864
00:39:39,354 --> 00:39:41,354
Speaker 4: do it in another system. But I've seen it with

865
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Speaker 4: him in that system and I've seen it without him

866
00:39:43,714 --> 00:39:45,954
Speaker 4: in that system. And there's a difference between ten points

867
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Speaker 4: a game and twenty nine points a game.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but even like going back to McDaniel, like the

869
00:39:50,834 --> 00:39:53,073
Speaker 3: decision to really use John of Smith a lot.

870
00:39:53,754 --> 00:39:55,754
Speaker 4: You know, it was like what he's done. You know

871
00:39:56,274 --> 00:39:58,274
Speaker 4: what did he catch seven for one hundred and nine

872
00:39:58,354 --> 00:39:58,874
Speaker 4: the week before?

873
00:39:59,034 --> 00:40:02,554
Speaker 3: Yes, he knows that teams are going to focus on Waddle,

874
00:40:02,594 --> 00:40:05,314
Speaker 3: they're going to focus on Hill and we've got this

875
00:40:05,473 --> 00:40:08,714
Speaker 3: athletic tight end that is probably going to be one

876
00:40:08,754 --> 00:40:13,754
Speaker 3: on one in a mismatch. And you know the last

877
00:40:13,794 --> 00:40:15,993
Speaker 3: time the Patriots played, they didn't have their well the

878
00:40:16,074 --> 00:40:18,593
Speaker 3: running back got hurt early, so you didn't have him

879
00:40:18,594 --> 00:40:21,473
Speaker 3: in there. Just too many weapons out there for a

880
00:40:21,594 --> 00:40:22,993
Speaker 3: defense like the one we have.

881
00:40:23,554 --> 00:40:23,754
Speaker 12: Yeah.

882
00:40:23,834 --> 00:40:27,473
Speaker 11: I just think that when I watched it live, you know,

883
00:40:27,554 --> 00:40:30,354
Speaker 11: in game observations as a little bit harsh on Marcus

884
00:40:30,433 --> 00:40:33,034
Speaker 11: Jones because he was covering Wattle and Wattle had this

885
00:40:33,194 --> 00:40:35,794
Speaker 11: huge game, But then watching it back on the film,

886
00:40:35,873 --> 00:40:37,473
Speaker 11: it was the middle of the field that was far

887
00:40:37,594 --> 00:40:42,993
Speaker 11: more concerning. Linebackers, safeties. Uh, just unable to cover the

888
00:40:43,154 --> 00:40:44,434
Speaker 11: areas between the numbers.

889
00:40:44,473 --> 00:40:47,153
Speaker 3: And it's not just it sounded like that was recognized

890
00:40:47,234 --> 00:40:49,194
Speaker 3: by the Dolphins in their down point.

891
00:40:49,314 --> 00:40:53,274
Speaker 10: Yeah, it's not just too like you know, zone or whatever.

892
00:40:53,433 --> 00:40:55,274
Speaker 11: It's also if you're like a help defender in the

893
00:40:55,314 --> 00:40:57,234
Speaker 11: middle of the field to somebody that's in man to

894
00:40:57,354 --> 00:41:00,473
Speaker 11: man coverage and he's expecting, you know, that robber to

895
00:41:00,554 --> 00:41:03,034
Speaker 11: be sitting there on the crossing route or something like that,

896
00:41:03,433 --> 00:41:05,714
Speaker 11: and they're just getting their eyes or getting pulled out

897
00:41:05,754 --> 00:41:08,473
Speaker 11: of the passing lanes by Tua and all those kinds

898
00:41:08,473 --> 00:41:10,433
Speaker 11: of things. So you'll actually add it up. And the

899
00:41:10,514 --> 00:41:13,033
Speaker 11: two corners gave up like ninety yards of the three

900
00:41:13,154 --> 00:41:16,074
Speaker 11: hundred and seventeen that to a throw through four. Like,

901
00:41:16,114 --> 00:41:17,834
Speaker 11: I'll take that if you told me that, you know,

902
00:41:17,953 --> 00:41:19,873
Speaker 11: you're gonna go into the game and Tyree Kill and

903
00:41:19,953 --> 00:41:22,473
Speaker 11: Jalen Waddle or are going to combine for.

904
00:41:22,554 --> 00:41:25,114
Speaker 10: Like one fifty something. I think it was. It's like,

905
00:41:25,314 --> 00:41:26,154
Speaker 10: it wasn't horrible.

906
00:41:26,873 --> 00:41:28,674
Speaker 11: You know, wat had a huge game, and a lot

907
00:41:28,754 --> 00:41:30,314
Speaker 11: of that was against zone and a lot of that

908
00:41:30,554 --> 00:41:33,034
Speaker 11: was breaking into the middle of the field and some

909
00:41:33,194 --> 00:41:34,953
Speaker 11: of the time, yeah, like you know the deep ball,

910
00:41:35,074 --> 00:41:37,393
Speaker 11: that's Marcus Jones got beat on that play. But I

911
00:41:37,433 --> 00:41:40,834
Speaker 11: didn't think that Marcus Jones was egregious and you know,

912
00:41:40,913 --> 00:41:42,594
Speaker 11: just a nice play in the end zone. Yeah, he

913
00:41:42,674 --> 00:41:45,834
Speaker 11: had a couple of pass breakups and just to throw

914
00:41:45,873 --> 00:41:48,794
Speaker 11: a stat out there next gen you know, tracks how

915
00:41:48,913 --> 00:41:51,634
Speaker 11: much separation you're giving up on the on these targets.

916
00:41:51,913 --> 00:41:54,554
Speaker 11: When Marcus Jones was in Manton man coverage, he was

917
00:41:54,594 --> 00:41:58,114
Speaker 11: giving up zero point seven yards of separation to the

918
00:41:58,314 --> 00:42:02,274
Speaker 11: Dolphins receivers under a yard on these targets that he

919
00:42:02,393 --> 00:42:05,354
Speaker 11: was getting in man. So he has limitations in terms

920
00:42:05,393 --> 00:42:07,354
Speaker 11: of his length and stuff like that to get into

921
00:42:07,433 --> 00:42:11,513
Speaker 11: passing lanes. I fully see that, but he's sticking with them.

922
00:42:11,873 --> 00:42:14,714
Speaker 11: It's just a matter of actually, you know, preventing the

923
00:42:15,554 --> 00:42:18,754
Speaker 11: the completions that have been problems for I think if.

924
00:42:18,674 --> 00:42:23,034
Speaker 3: We get another if we get a B or you know,

925
00:42:23,074 --> 00:42:25,033
Speaker 3: I'm not even gonna say, you know, an A one

926
00:42:25,634 --> 00:42:28,674
Speaker 3: to Gonzales, I think Marcus Jones will be in a

927
00:42:28,714 --> 00:42:32,274
Speaker 3: good place as your third cornerback. You know, right now,

928
00:42:33,234 --> 00:42:34,714
Speaker 3: all you got really is Gonzales.

929
00:42:34,794 --> 00:42:35,914
Speaker 10: If he plays in the slot.

930
00:42:37,154 --> 00:42:39,154
Speaker 11: The biggest problem that I see with him is that

931
00:42:39,714 --> 00:42:41,873
Speaker 11: when you put him on the outside, it's not so

932
00:42:42,034 --> 00:42:43,754
Speaker 11: much that he's five to eight and the other guys

933
00:42:43,794 --> 00:42:45,794
Speaker 11: six foot four, because that wasn't the case here. The

934
00:42:45,834 --> 00:42:47,393
Speaker 11: problem is is when you get the ball throw in

935
00:42:47,473 --> 00:42:51,354
Speaker 11: your direction, he doesn't have the reach or the radius

936
00:42:51,674 --> 00:42:53,953
Speaker 11: to swap passes away and things like that, so he

937
00:42:54,074 --> 00:42:57,314
Speaker 11: might be in really good position to play the ball initially,

938
00:42:57,834 --> 00:43:00,234
Speaker 11: but these guys are just going to a floor on

939
00:43:00,354 --> 00:43:00,993
Speaker 11: the elevator that.

940
00:43:01,154 --> 00:43:03,474
Speaker 3: I think he's feisty around the line. He's not afraid

941
00:43:03,514 --> 00:43:06,154
Speaker 3: to get his nose in there and make tackles. I'll tackle.

942
00:43:06,393 --> 00:43:07,714
Speaker 3: I think he's he'll tackle.

943
00:43:07,794 --> 00:43:09,354
Speaker 4: I don't like him as much as a cover guy

944
00:43:09,354 --> 00:43:11,873
Speaker 4: as you guys do. He'll He's definitely not afraid to

945
00:43:11,913 --> 00:43:12,754
Speaker 4: stick his nose in there.

946
00:43:12,794 --> 00:43:14,393
Speaker 3: But I don't think totally agree with Yeah. I think

947
00:43:14,714 --> 00:43:17,834
Speaker 3: I think he's out of position taking Wattle one on one.

948
00:43:17,953 --> 00:43:18,993
Speaker 3: He's just like, that's just well.

949
00:43:19,034 --> 00:43:21,433
Speaker 4: I think they all had their chances with Wattle one

950
00:43:21,514 --> 00:43:24,794
Speaker 4: on one. I think, you know, this is I agree

951
00:43:24,794 --> 00:43:27,034
Speaker 4: with Evan about the linebackers, and this is something I

952
00:43:27,114 --> 00:43:29,914
Speaker 4: talked about a lot in the post game. It looked

953
00:43:29,913 --> 00:43:32,913
Speaker 4: to me like they were going out of their way.

954
00:43:33,194 --> 00:43:36,513
Speaker 4: Tua is doing this like misdirection and he's trying to

955
00:43:36,594 --> 00:43:39,393
Speaker 4: open that window. And there were a couple of quick

956
00:43:39,433 --> 00:43:42,754
Speaker 4: little throws they had to the sideline that Tavai really defended. Well,

957
00:43:43,234 --> 00:43:45,594
Speaker 4: you know, as one. I think to most that lost.

958
00:43:45,433 --> 00:43:47,474
Speaker 3: Three yards line was defended pretty well.

959
00:43:47,554 --> 00:43:50,474
Speaker 4: But I think it was all a setup, like because

960
00:43:50,514 --> 00:43:53,954
Speaker 4: all that did was they started off slant inside, inside

961
00:43:53,994 --> 00:43:56,873
Speaker 4: the numbers, inside the hashboks, inside the numbers. Okay, now

962
00:43:56,873 --> 00:43:59,193
Speaker 4: we're going to go to the outside. Oh you shut

963
00:43:59,234 --> 00:44:01,634
Speaker 4: those down, okay. And then you looked at some of

964
00:44:01,674 --> 00:44:04,033
Speaker 4: the replays and it's like Tavai is coming from here

965
00:44:04,514 --> 00:44:08,074
Speaker 4: out to here, anticipating another throw to the flat and

966
00:44:08,154 --> 00:44:10,674
Speaker 4: it's just opening the window for me. And that's all

967
00:44:10,754 --> 00:44:12,754
Speaker 4: they were doing. And this is why I don't put

968
00:44:12,794 --> 00:44:15,633
Speaker 4: it on Gonzales, Jones and Jones, even though I don't

969
00:44:15,674 --> 00:44:18,513
Speaker 4: think that they were great, Not trying to just excuse them,

970
00:44:18,913 --> 00:44:21,314
Speaker 4: but the windows was so big for you know, and

971
00:44:21,433 --> 00:44:24,874
Speaker 4: he's really accurate. He's so anticipatory with all his throws.

972
00:44:25,314 --> 00:44:27,754
Speaker 4: You always call him Drake may I mean Drew Brees,

973
00:44:27,834 --> 00:44:30,554
Speaker 4: and I think that's really good comp Like he throws

974
00:44:30,594 --> 00:44:33,354
Speaker 4: the ball before he knows what's happening, because he knows

975
00:44:33,393 --> 00:44:35,953
Speaker 4: what's going to happen. Yeah, and that's why sometimes he

976
00:44:36,034 --> 00:44:37,553
Speaker 4: throws picks and you look like, what was he thinking

977
00:44:37,634 --> 00:44:39,714
Speaker 4: on that one? Because sometimes they did there and they

978
00:44:39,754 --> 00:44:42,354
Speaker 4: don't get fooled by it. Dougger almost had one in

979
00:44:42,393 --> 00:44:45,314
Speaker 4: the end zone. Yeah, you know, like he just threw

980
00:44:45,393 --> 00:44:48,033
Speaker 4: it and Dougger was there and unfortunately he couldn't make

981
00:44:48,074 --> 00:44:51,354
Speaker 4: the turnover. But the bigger problem to me is in

982
00:44:51,393 --> 00:44:55,314
Speaker 4: the middle. They don't have any pass players, any pass

983
00:44:55,354 --> 00:44:58,234
Speaker 4: defenders in the middle of that defense, and you're asking

984
00:44:58,314 --> 00:45:00,594
Speaker 4: too much of the guys to you know, this was

985
00:45:00,834 --> 00:45:03,033
Speaker 4: a Wattle game. It could easily have been Tyreek if

986
00:45:03,034 --> 00:45:05,074
Speaker 4: they would, you know, going on the other side, they

987
00:45:05,114 --> 00:45:06,913
Speaker 4: had no answers. Now there was so many every time

988
00:45:06,953 --> 00:45:08,513
Speaker 4: they do it was a Tyreek kill. It was caught too.

989
00:45:08,834 --> 00:45:10,154
Speaker 4: Like it just they didn't do it that much.

990
00:45:10,393 --> 00:45:12,034
Speaker 6: Just so many players where two is just whipping it

991
00:45:12,114 --> 00:45:14,834
Speaker 6: by somebody's ear hole and you'll see like like Douger

992
00:45:14,913 --> 00:45:16,513
Speaker 6: throws his arm up, you know, just late, but it's

993
00:45:16,554 --> 00:45:19,434
Speaker 6: like right, so it looks weird.

994
00:45:19,794 --> 00:45:23,354
Speaker 4: It was just like it was effortless those like this

995
00:45:23,554 --> 00:45:24,913
Speaker 4: was just like the Rams game, Like there was the

996
00:45:24,994 --> 00:45:26,794
Speaker 4: five scoring drives in a row and I don't know

997
00:45:26,834 --> 00:45:28,033
Speaker 4: how many in a role in this one.

998
00:45:28,074 --> 00:45:29,873
Speaker 10: I think it was four, but I mean it was.

999
00:45:29,873 --> 00:45:30,873
Speaker 4: Definitely the game was over.

1000
00:45:31,034 --> 00:45:31,393
Speaker 7: That was it.

1001
00:45:31,754 --> 00:45:34,553
Speaker 11: Yeah, they So the Patriots right now are giving up

1002
00:45:34,714 --> 00:45:38,394
Speaker 11: nine point six yards per pass play between the numbers

1003
00:45:38,794 --> 00:45:42,034
Speaker 11: twenty eighth and the So they're also twenty eighth and

1004
00:45:42,114 --> 00:45:42,873
Speaker 11: EPA per play.

1005
00:45:42,913 --> 00:45:46,993
Speaker 10: If you are like me and care about that more, Yeah, but.

1006
00:45:47,114 --> 00:45:49,674
Speaker 4: There you want to give us thirty seconds on EPI.

1007
00:45:50,234 --> 00:45:51,474
Speaker 10: Yeah, right, so I can.

1008
00:45:51,354 --> 00:45:52,154
Speaker 4: Make fun of somebody.

1009
00:45:52,554 --> 00:45:55,114
Speaker 11: I'll teach them a thing or two. But yeah, they

1010
00:45:55,393 --> 00:45:57,674
Speaker 11: they you know, they don't defend the middle of the field. Well,

1011
00:45:57,794 --> 00:45:59,314
Speaker 11: this has been going on all year, and I think

1012
00:45:59,354 --> 00:46:01,633
Speaker 11: the one second guest that I would just have from

1013
00:46:01,634 --> 00:46:04,674
Speaker 11: a coaching perspective is they don't defend the middle of

1014
00:46:04,714 --> 00:46:07,473
Speaker 11: the field well, and yet they're playing a ton of

1015
00:46:07,514 --> 00:46:11,554
Speaker 11: base defense. So they're just putting more linebackers on the field.

1016
00:46:12,154 --> 00:46:16,394
Speaker 11: And then these teams are seeing ellis to buy Taki

1017
00:46:16,514 --> 00:46:18,634
Speaker 11: talkie and they're seeing them out on the field and

1018
00:46:18,674 --> 00:46:20,074
Speaker 11: they're like, well, why would I throw the ball at

1019
00:46:20,154 --> 00:46:22,474
Speaker 11: Christian Gonzalez when I could throw the ball at these guys,

1020
00:46:23,074 --> 00:46:24,794
Speaker 11: And then they're just getting picked apart. This game, they

1021
00:46:24,834 --> 00:46:26,594
Speaker 11: played a little bit more nickel than what they have

1022
00:46:26,754 --> 00:46:29,434
Speaker 11: been doing. But every single time I saw based defense

1023
00:46:29,473 --> 00:46:31,433
Speaker 11: on the field on Sunday, I started groaning. I was like,

1024
00:46:31,554 --> 00:46:34,433
Speaker 11: what are we doing against all this speed? You're gonna

1025
00:46:34,473 --> 00:46:37,473
Speaker 11: put three linebackers on the field, Like good luck, you know,

1026
00:46:37,634 --> 00:46:40,314
Speaker 11: good luck to see any talkie talkie going across the

1027
00:46:40,354 --> 00:46:42,834
Speaker 11: field with Jalen Waddle Like, I see how that works out.

1028
00:46:43,114 --> 00:46:45,473
Speaker 3: All right, let's get to the phone calls, because we've

1029
00:46:45,514 --> 00:46:47,834
Speaker 3: got phone calls coming in, We've got emails coming in.

1030
00:46:48,274 --> 00:46:51,554
Speaker 3: It's well, it's the day after the game, so people

1031
00:46:51,594 --> 00:46:54,953
Speaker 3: want to comment. Let's start with Ryan in Maine. What's

1032
00:46:55,034 --> 00:46:57,554
Speaker 3: up Ryan, Hey.

1033
00:46:57,433 --> 00:46:58,234
Speaker 13: How's it going guys?

1034
00:46:58,433 --> 00:46:58,673
Speaker 3: Good?

1035
00:47:01,554 --> 00:47:03,434
Speaker 14: First time caller, longtime listener.

1036
00:47:03,514 --> 00:47:05,993
Speaker 12: I just wanted to take in ask a request for

1037
00:47:06,074 --> 00:47:06,714
Speaker 12: the newsletter.

1038
00:47:07,354 --> 00:47:09,953
Speaker 3: Well, you have to email, so I'm not gonna I

1039
00:47:10,034 --> 00:47:14,714
Speaker 3: don't take dictations, so just just just email. Just email

1040
00:47:14,834 --> 00:47:17,674
Speaker 3: Podcasts at Patres dot com and will automatically put you in.

1041
00:47:18,834 --> 00:47:20,434
Speaker 12: I meant a suggestion for the newsletter.

1042
00:47:20,514 --> 00:47:20,794
Speaker 8: My bad.

1043
00:47:20,913 --> 00:47:22,873
Speaker 3: Oh, I'm sorry, my bad, my bat.

1044
00:47:25,234 --> 00:47:25,754
Speaker 15: One of the things I.

1045
00:47:25,754 --> 00:47:29,154
Speaker 12: Always love during the Picks contest is Spread's upset lock

1046
00:47:29,234 --> 00:47:32,314
Speaker 12: of the week, and I was wondering if there'd be

1047
00:47:32,354 --> 00:47:34,234
Speaker 12: a way for them to put that in the newsletter

1048
00:47:34,393 --> 00:47:36,034
Speaker 12: so that we can track it over the season.

1049
00:47:37,634 --> 00:47:40,913
Speaker 3: See how good the league is okay, I don't have

1050
00:47:41,034 --> 00:47:42,754
Speaker 3: one every week, but when you.

1051
00:47:42,834 --> 00:47:44,754
Speaker 4: Do, I will make note of it, and I will

1052
00:47:44,873 --> 00:47:47,114
Speaker 4: put a little and I will allude to it.

1053
00:47:47,274 --> 00:47:51,594
Speaker 3: Yeah, I believe I'm fourteen, and oh if I'm not mistaken.

1054
00:47:52,514 --> 00:47:54,553
Speaker 4: Through twelve weeks, I think I think you're right.

1055
00:47:54,594 --> 00:47:54,913
Speaker 3: I don't know.

1056
00:47:55,634 --> 00:47:57,674
Speaker 6: I think you're right fourteen for twelve weeks.

1057
00:47:57,674 --> 00:47:59,434
Speaker 3: But that's good. That's a good suggestion.

1058
00:47:59,634 --> 00:47:59,794
Speaker 4: Ryan.

1059
00:47:59,834 --> 00:48:03,314
Speaker 3: I'm glad. Are you enjoying the newsletter?

1060
00:48:04,634 --> 00:48:05,234
Speaker 8: Absolutely?

1061
00:48:05,433 --> 00:48:05,953
Speaker 13: Absolutely?

1062
00:48:06,114 --> 00:48:08,113
Speaker 15: Anyone who says you, guys, just stop doing the pick

1063
00:48:08,234 --> 00:48:10,754
Speaker 15: contest can go pound stay it.

1064
00:48:11,154 --> 00:48:12,714
Speaker 3: Yeah, we have a few of them, but you know,

1065
00:48:13,194 --> 00:48:16,074
Speaker 3: I agree. It's it's an acquired taste, I guess. But

1066
00:48:16,234 --> 00:48:18,873
Speaker 3: thanks for the call, Ryan, appreciate it as we all are.

1067
00:48:19,834 --> 00:48:21,433
Speaker 3: Let's go to Mike and Braintree.

1068
00:48:21,514 --> 00:48:25,154
Speaker 16: What's up Mike, Hey, guys, thank you for taking my call.

1069
00:48:25,594 --> 00:48:26,634
Speaker 8: I'm a long time listener.

1070
00:48:26,674 --> 00:48:29,953
Speaker 16: I think it's my third time calling. I have a

1071
00:48:29,994 --> 00:48:31,794
Speaker 16: complicated hypothetical question for you.

1072
00:48:31,794 --> 00:48:32,314
Speaker 7: If you like.

1073
00:48:32,994 --> 00:48:35,194
Speaker 3: Okay, complicated hypothetic.

1074
00:48:35,034 --> 00:48:37,834
Speaker 4: Evan's favorite Leicated hypothetical.

1075
00:48:38,514 --> 00:48:39,634
Speaker 14: Evans one of my favorites.

1076
00:48:39,714 --> 00:48:39,953
Speaker 8: Thank you.

1077
00:48:41,074 --> 00:48:45,113
Speaker 16: Yeah, So, what I'm thinking is that for next year,

1078
00:48:45,754 --> 00:48:49,074
Speaker 16: what if we take all of the financial cap space

1079
00:48:49,194 --> 00:48:51,913
Speaker 16: that we have and maybe even most of the draft gack,

1080
00:48:52,594 --> 00:48:56,594
Speaker 16: and we just invested in filling our offensive mind nothing

1081
00:48:56,674 --> 00:48:59,513
Speaker 16: but probol to every single spot. I want to know,

1082
00:48:59,674 --> 00:49:02,914
Speaker 16: a how likely do you think this is to happen?

1083
00:49:03,194 --> 00:49:05,913
Speaker 16: And be do you think this makes us a legitimate

1084
00:49:06,114 --> 00:49:09,234
Speaker 16: playoff if we would do that and then just retain

1085
00:49:09,314 --> 00:49:12,154
Speaker 16: the talent that we have So we got you know,

1086
00:49:12,314 --> 00:49:15,674
Speaker 16: Lemandre Stephenson, all the warning backs, all the receiatons, all

1087
00:49:15,674 --> 00:49:19,274
Speaker 16: the type that just retooled the offensive point nothing but probos.

1088
00:49:19,354 --> 00:49:20,074
Speaker 16: Could we do that?

1089
00:49:20,314 --> 00:49:21,754
Speaker 15: And what would be us?

1090
00:49:22,393 --> 00:49:25,714
Speaker 3: Okay, all right, thanks thanks Mike, so.

1091
00:49:27,754 --> 00:49:31,993
Speaker 4: Odds or zero but no, But but I'm dismissing you're

1092
00:49:31,994 --> 00:49:33,714
Speaker 4: going to acquire five Pro bowlers.

1093
00:49:33,393 --> 00:49:36,554
Speaker 3: In theoretically, you take all the money that you have

1094
00:49:36,794 --> 00:49:39,194
Speaker 3: and say, you know what, this year, we're just going

1095
00:49:39,274 --> 00:49:44,114
Speaker 3: to make sure that we have a good offensive line. Like,

1096
00:49:44,274 --> 00:49:47,073
Speaker 3: how how much does that improve your team in one year?

1097
00:49:48,034 --> 00:49:48,514
Speaker 4: Marginally?

1098
00:49:49,834 --> 00:49:51,874
Speaker 6: If it was, I mean, if it was, you're getting

1099
00:49:52,234 --> 00:49:53,873
Speaker 6: like you're not just getting Pro Bowl players, they're all

1100
00:49:53,873 --> 00:49:55,274
Speaker 6: going to play at a Pro Bowl level.

1101
00:49:55,514 --> 00:49:57,554
Speaker 4: Well, no, you have a good offensive line, but you

1102
00:49:57,714 --> 00:50:00,754
Speaker 4: did nothing else to improve right, you'd be marginally better.

1103
00:50:01,234 --> 00:50:03,794
Speaker 4: The offensive line is a problem right now. It's hurting

1104
00:50:03,834 --> 00:50:06,274
Speaker 4: the offense. There's no question about it. You do not

1105
00:50:06,393 --> 00:50:10,754
Speaker 4: have playmakers, you do not have a defense. Like you'll

1106
00:50:10,794 --> 00:50:11,953
Speaker 4: be marginally But if you.

1107
00:50:11,953 --> 00:50:14,154
Speaker 3: Did this, what if you spent all your money on

1108
00:50:14,314 --> 00:50:16,514
Speaker 3: offensive line and all your draft picks elsewhere.

1109
00:50:18,274 --> 00:50:20,634
Speaker 11: I would flip it if it was me, Like I

1110
00:50:21,074 --> 00:50:23,633
Speaker 11: just this notion that you can just get offensive line

1111
00:50:23,674 --> 00:50:26,634
Speaker 11: in the veteran market, I'm much doesn't happen, you know,

1112
00:50:26,794 --> 00:50:28,953
Speaker 11: like it just they don't come available.

1113
00:50:29,074 --> 00:50:31,234
Speaker 3: But you're talking about the best. What about like you

1114
00:50:31,433 --> 00:50:33,834
Speaker 3: just make sure that I get veteran guys.

1115
00:50:33,913 --> 00:50:35,594
Speaker 4: Who are good. But that's what they tried to do

1116
00:50:35,754 --> 00:50:39,433
Speaker 4: last year, not at left tackle that they tried to

1117
00:50:39,473 --> 00:50:42,354
Speaker 4: get veteran guys that were just good chookes a corps

1118
00:50:42,433 --> 00:50:45,513
Speaker 4: for Michael Jordan, Nick Leverett. These were just guys that

1119
00:50:45,634 --> 00:50:49,194
Speaker 4: were that's what you get in free agency. Like I

1120
00:50:49,314 --> 00:50:51,754
Speaker 4: agree with Evan, there's a there's a handful of guys

1121
00:50:51,994 --> 00:50:54,873
Speaker 4: every you know, Joe Toney obviously went from here to

1122
00:50:54,913 --> 00:50:56,873
Speaker 4: the Kansas City on a big money deal. You see

1123
00:50:57,154 --> 00:51:01,074
Speaker 4: there's guards that that get big money. Yeah, there aren't

1124
00:51:01,074 --> 00:51:04,634
Speaker 4: a lot of Orlando Browns, like high end left tackles

1125
00:51:04,674 --> 00:51:07,953
Speaker 4: that changed, uh change teams in free agency. There are

1126
00:51:08,034 --> 00:51:10,873
Speaker 4: there are some. I just don't think it's realistic that

1127
00:51:10,913 --> 00:51:12,394
Speaker 4: you're going to do that with five guys.

1128
00:51:12,554 --> 00:51:15,234
Speaker 11: Yeah, yeah, I mean I I said at the time

1129
00:51:15,274 --> 00:51:16,993
Speaker 11: that I would have gone after these guys. So it's

1130
00:51:17,034 --> 00:51:20,754
Speaker 11: like a little bit I guess what's the word, like

1131
00:51:21,154 --> 00:51:24,834
Speaker 11: I didn't see coming revisionist history, But go like look

1132
00:51:24,873 --> 00:51:28,754
Speaker 11: at like Mike mcglinchey's PFF numbers or uh, you know,

1133
00:51:28,913 --> 00:51:31,034
Speaker 11: Caleb McGarry or any of those guys that were in

1134
00:51:31,154 --> 00:51:33,674
Speaker 11: that free agency class a couple of years ago that

1135
00:51:33,794 --> 00:51:35,873
Speaker 11: we all were pounding the table for the Patriots to

1136
00:51:35,953 --> 00:51:38,714
Speaker 11: go after, and the twenty three free agency all those

1137
00:51:38,754 --> 00:51:42,234
Speaker 11: guys have been terrible for their new teams. Uh, you

1138
00:51:42,314 --> 00:51:44,674
Speaker 11: know Jwan Taylor. They can't get that guy out of

1139
00:51:44,714 --> 00:51:47,194
Speaker 11: Kansas City fast enough. That's the guy I was thinking, Yeah,

1140
00:51:47,274 --> 00:51:50,513
Speaker 11: like Taylor, they cannot possibly get him out of their

1141
00:51:50,754 --> 00:51:54,593
Speaker 11: fast enough. You know, like those guys big big contracts

1142
00:51:54,674 --> 00:51:57,354
Speaker 11: that were flawed players and their teams knew it, so

1143
00:51:57,433 --> 00:51:59,794
Speaker 11: they let them walk in free agency. You know, you're

1144
00:51:59,873 --> 00:52:02,314
Speaker 11: not you typically are not going to see.

1145
00:52:03,114 --> 00:52:05,513
Speaker 4: You know, Robinson could be one of those guys next year.

1146
00:52:05,554 --> 00:52:07,873
Speaker 4: He's the one who got traded from Jacksonville to Minnesota.

1147
00:52:08,314 --> 00:52:10,473
Speaker 4: I think he's I think his contract is up, he'll

1148
00:52:10,514 --> 00:52:17,913
Speaker 4: be He'll be on the market. Yeah, all right, all right, No,

1149
00:52:18,034 --> 00:52:19,714
Speaker 4: it's a it's a good question. I just think it's

1150
00:52:19,754 --> 00:52:20,074
Speaker 4: hard to.

1151
00:52:20,114 --> 00:52:22,834
Speaker 3: Do Riley in North Carolina. What's up? Riley?

1152
00:52:24,554 --> 00:52:24,714
Speaker 13: Hey?

1153
00:52:25,354 --> 00:52:32,473
Speaker 14: A rough week after weekend, I should say. But anyways,

1154
00:52:32,834 --> 00:52:35,834
Speaker 14: I just want to go on a little rant here

1155
00:52:36,594 --> 00:52:42,234
Speaker 14: because I am tired of these privileged fans and the

1156
00:52:42,354 --> 00:52:46,433
Speaker 14: negligence of blame that everyone seems to be putting on

1157
00:52:46,674 --> 00:52:50,114
Speaker 14: Jrod Mail. You know, if you look at the season

1158
00:52:50,194 --> 00:52:52,794
Speaker 14: and where we are, we obviously have three wins, right,

1159
00:52:52,994 --> 00:52:57,434
Speaker 14: and we won four last year with arguably the greatest

1160
00:52:57,473 --> 00:53:01,594
Speaker 14: coaches all time, And obviously, you know, that's why they

1161
00:53:01,674 --> 00:53:04,553
Speaker 14: decided to part ways with him, because it was just time.

1162
00:53:05,514 --> 00:53:09,754
Speaker 14: And our entire coaching staff is brand new at their

1163
00:53:09,834 --> 00:53:15,314
Speaker 14: respective position, and I honestly think that a lot of

1164
00:53:15,354 --> 00:53:18,993
Speaker 14: the blame should be placed on Elliott Woolf and Bill

1165
00:53:19,114 --> 00:53:23,834
Speaker 14: Belichick because Bill Belichick obviously was the GM when he

1166
00:53:24,034 --> 00:53:30,873
Speaker 14: was here, and he neglected to draft high positions of

1167
00:53:31,074 --> 00:53:34,873
Speaker 14: need for the last several years in the draft, like

1168
00:53:35,074 --> 00:53:39,874
Speaker 14: left tackle for example, as arguably the largest Sclaring weekness

1169
00:53:40,114 --> 00:53:44,474
Speaker 14: on the team. And now you transition to Elliott Wolf

1170
00:53:44,714 --> 00:53:48,194
Speaker 14: becoming you know, the GM. I know he was involved

1171
00:53:48,274 --> 00:53:51,794
Speaker 14: in kind of those decisions. Ultimately Bill had to end

1172
00:53:51,834 --> 00:53:56,114
Speaker 14: all sale, and I think that a lot of the

1173
00:53:56,154 --> 00:53:59,033
Speaker 14: blame should be placed on Elliott Wolf because what did

1174
00:53:59,114 --> 00:54:02,993
Speaker 14: he do to improve the roster? You know, Bill Belichick

1175
00:54:03,393 --> 00:54:07,434
Speaker 14: or excuse me, John Mail is in charge of running

1176
00:54:07,554 --> 00:54:10,714
Speaker 14: the players and making sure that they're doing their jobs properly.

1177
00:54:10,794 --> 00:54:13,434
Speaker 14: It's not his job to go out and scout talent

1178
00:54:13,634 --> 00:54:17,354
Speaker 14: and acquire talented players and bring them into the team.

1179
00:54:18,154 --> 00:54:22,114
Speaker 14: So I'm just stick and tired of all the negative

1180
00:54:22,234 --> 00:54:27,154
Speaker 14: comments on every post and after every game that we

1181
00:54:27,354 --> 00:54:31,234
Speaker 14: lose about fire Mayo, fire the entire coaching staff, Like,

1182
00:54:31,473 --> 00:54:36,434
Speaker 14: just have patience, people. This franchise has been a dumpster

1183
00:54:36,634 --> 00:54:39,913
Speaker 14: fire for the last half decade. Even when we had

1184
00:54:40,074 --> 00:54:44,953
Speaker 14: Belichick and Gerrava. Mayo was basically left with the straps

1185
00:54:45,194 --> 00:54:49,314
Speaker 14: of what Belichick will have and trying to turn the

1186
00:54:49,354 --> 00:54:51,393
Speaker 14: team around and do the best that he can with

1187
00:54:51,514 --> 00:54:55,513
Speaker 14: what he had. So there's my rants, that's all I

1188
00:54:55,634 --> 00:54:58,433
Speaker 14: got and I hope everybody has a great Thanksgiving.

1189
00:54:58,514 --> 00:55:00,634
Speaker 4: Thanks Juy, Thanks, Thanks you too, Riley.

1190
00:55:00,794 --> 00:55:02,473
Speaker 3: I mean there's some truth in him what he's saying.

1191
00:55:02,514 --> 00:55:06,673
Speaker 3: You know, he inherited a mess, similar to what Bill

1192
00:55:06,754 --> 00:55:07,954
Speaker 3: inherited in two thousand.

1193
00:55:08,194 --> 00:55:10,593
Speaker 4: No doubt, you know, no doubt he inherited a mess.

1194
00:55:11,634 --> 00:55:15,993
Speaker 4: I just think that you evaluate everybody on what you've seen.

1195
00:55:16,154 --> 00:55:16,354
Speaker 3: Yep.

1196
00:55:17,114 --> 00:55:19,114
Speaker 4: I think that he's absolutely right. They had a lot

1197
00:55:19,154 --> 00:55:22,314
Speaker 4: of bad drafts that Mike and I have played the

1198
00:55:22,393 --> 00:55:27,354
Speaker 4: hits on for years. But what have you seen? You know?

1199
00:55:27,514 --> 00:55:30,794
Speaker 4: So the greatest coach of all time got fired for

1200
00:55:30,873 --> 00:55:31,714
Speaker 4: winning four games.

1201
00:55:34,514 --> 00:55:36,194
Speaker 3: Well there was more to it than that, But.

1202
00:55:36,194 --> 00:55:38,914
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like he just called in the greatest

1203
00:55:38,953 --> 00:55:40,754
Speaker 4: coach of all time and even he couldn't win, Yeah,

1204
00:55:40,794 --> 00:55:43,554
Speaker 4: and he lost his job. So I think you have

1205
00:55:43,674 --> 00:55:45,634
Speaker 4: to evaluate. Do I think that Gerard Mayo should lose

1206
00:55:45,674 --> 00:55:45,993
Speaker 4: his job?

1207
00:55:46,074 --> 00:55:46,114
Speaker 7: No?

1208
00:55:46,714 --> 00:55:49,473
Speaker 4: I don't. I think that you decided to go in

1209
00:55:49,554 --> 00:55:52,393
Speaker 4: this direction. This is what you how you wanted to

1210
00:55:52,754 --> 00:55:54,513
Speaker 4: you know, ford your path going forward? You need to

1211
00:55:54,554 --> 00:55:56,994
Speaker 4: see it through. You don't do that after twelve months.

1212
00:55:56,873 --> 00:55:59,634
Speaker 3: The Patriot's Unfiltered TV show, you'll hear what I have

1213
00:55:59,754 --> 00:56:01,714
Speaker 3: to say about this particular situation.

1214
00:56:01,953 --> 00:56:04,314
Speaker 4: That's good. That's a good tease. You know, big, big

1215
00:56:04,433 --> 00:56:06,754
Speaker 4: market Tea's right there by Freddy. Yeah, I like that.

1216
00:56:07,074 --> 00:56:09,553
Speaker 4: I'm just saying, like, you need to evaluate what you see.

1217
00:56:09,594 --> 00:56:12,473
Speaker 4: If people looking at the same mistakes that we saw

1218
00:56:12,514 --> 00:56:15,553
Speaker 4: in the summer happened on Sunday with false start after

1219
00:56:15,594 --> 00:56:18,114
Speaker 4: false start, someone's got to talk about that.

1220
00:56:18,274 --> 00:56:20,993
Speaker 3: And you know, big decisions are going to have to

1221
00:56:21,034 --> 00:56:24,834
Speaker 3: be made by Gerard Mayo, Elliott Wolf, and Robert Kraft, right,

1222
00:56:24,994 --> 00:56:27,033
Speaker 3: and each from their own perspective.

1223
00:56:27,114 --> 00:56:29,953
Speaker 4: And again I'm not advocating for John Madle lose his job.

1224
00:56:29,994 --> 00:56:32,114
Speaker 4: He should not lose his job. His job is. I

1225
00:56:32,234 --> 00:56:34,513
Speaker 4: know it's not in jeopardy anyway, but he should It

1226
00:56:34,514 --> 00:56:34,953
Speaker 4: shouldn't be.

1227
00:56:34,994 --> 00:56:37,794
Speaker 3: He shouldn't. He shouldn't. But I think everything else is

1228
00:56:37,834 --> 00:56:40,114
Speaker 3: on the table, I really do, yes, Like who are

1229
00:56:40,154 --> 00:56:43,513
Speaker 3: the people around you? Around? And we don't have. The

1230
00:56:43,634 --> 00:56:46,913
Speaker 3: frustrating thing about this for us is we are not

1231
00:56:47,074 --> 00:56:50,114
Speaker 3: privy to the information that everyone else has. I have

1232
00:56:50,274 --> 00:56:52,913
Speaker 3: no idea if Scott Peters is a good offensive line coach.

1233
00:56:53,274 --> 00:56:57,354
Speaker 3: I hope he is. But if he isn't, that's something

1234
00:56:57,433 --> 00:56:59,953
Speaker 3: you need to address. I don't know if Tyler Hughes

1235
00:57:00,074 --> 00:57:02,354
Speaker 3: is a good wide receiver coach. I hope he is,

1236
00:57:02,794 --> 00:57:05,513
Speaker 3: But if he's not, that's a tough decision you're gonna

1237
00:57:05,554 --> 00:57:07,754
Speaker 3: have to make, and all the way down the line

1238
00:57:07,834 --> 00:57:11,354
Speaker 3: with every position coach, you know, because in football, coaching

1239
00:57:11,514 --> 00:57:15,073
Speaker 3: does matter. It's not baseball. It's not basketball.

1240
00:57:15,314 --> 00:57:16,594
Speaker 4: He's taking shots at baseball.

1241
00:57:16,714 --> 00:57:18,954
Speaker 3: No, but but you know what I mean coaching in

1242
00:57:19,074 --> 00:57:24,554
Speaker 3: football is it really does make It does make a difference.

1243
00:57:24,754 --> 00:57:26,394
Speaker 11: You just look at you know, they're when they go

1244
00:57:26,514 --> 00:57:29,593
Speaker 11: into these games and I just feel myself asking a lot,

1245
00:57:30,034 --> 00:57:33,554
Speaker 11: you know, what was where are the details and like

1246
00:57:33,594 --> 00:57:36,714
Speaker 11: what was the plan to handle certain things? You know,

1247
00:57:36,834 --> 00:57:39,834
Speaker 11: like on Sunday, everybody's picking on the offensive line for

1248
00:57:39,874 --> 00:57:42,754
Speaker 11: all the penalties and it's it's understandable, but when the

1249
00:57:42,794 --> 00:57:45,434
Speaker 11: ball was actually snapped, you know, and they weren't false starting,

1250
00:57:45,714 --> 00:57:48,113
Speaker 11: you know, they're just blitzing Drake and they're making him hot.

1251
00:57:48,314 --> 00:57:50,153
Speaker 11: I mean he said it at the press conference this morning,

1252
00:57:50,314 --> 00:57:52,754
Speaker 11: like that's what teams are doing against him. If they

1253
00:57:53,034 --> 00:57:55,154
Speaker 11: keep on blitzing him and they keep on doing that, Okay,

1254
00:57:55,194 --> 00:57:56,554
Speaker 11: how are we going to beat that?

1255
00:57:57,034 --> 00:57:57,074
Speaker 14: Like?

1256
00:57:57,234 --> 00:58:00,834
Speaker 11: What is the plan to throw hot into this blitz,

1257
00:58:01,114 --> 00:58:03,634
Speaker 11: and where are the receivers supposed to go? Where is

1258
00:58:03,714 --> 00:58:06,674
Speaker 11: Drake supposed to go with the football? On Sunday, it

1259
00:58:06,754 --> 00:58:08,914
Speaker 11: felt like there were times where he was looking around

1260
00:58:09,074 --> 00:58:11,234
Speaker 11: like I don't know where I'm supposed to go with

1261
00:58:11,314 --> 00:58:14,794
Speaker 11: this thing. And then it's stripsack, it's interception, it's sack.

1262
00:58:14,914 --> 00:58:17,434
Speaker 11: You know, it's whatever, and it's like, those are the

1263
00:58:17,514 --> 00:58:19,914
Speaker 11: types of things that it come back to. Coaching for

1264
00:58:20,074 --> 00:58:24,073
Speaker 11: me is like what is the plan if they come

1265
00:58:24,154 --> 00:58:27,073
Speaker 11: out and they blitz him fifteen times in a game?

1266
00:58:27,474 --> 00:58:29,074
Speaker 11: You know, the rams s blitz them a lot, and

1267
00:58:29,154 --> 00:58:31,114
Speaker 11: they seem to have a pretty good plan of how

1268
00:58:31,154 --> 00:58:34,034
Speaker 11: to handle it. They were anticipating that that was gonna happen.

1269
00:58:34,394 --> 00:58:36,914
Speaker 11: My read on it is I don't think they anticipated

1270
00:58:36,994 --> 00:58:39,314
Speaker 11: Miami being as aggressive as they were defensively.

1271
00:58:39,714 --> 00:58:40,354
Speaker 10: You know that took that.

1272
00:58:40,434 --> 00:58:41,954
Speaker 3: But like you said, you have to be able to

1273
00:58:42,034 --> 00:58:45,834
Speaker 3: adjust in game. You have to as Andy Hart would say,

1274
00:58:45,994 --> 00:58:49,314
Speaker 3: once the game declares itself, you have to adjust.

1275
00:58:49,634 --> 00:58:52,554
Speaker 11: Yeah, Like they're just sending field pressure, like Nickel Blitz's

1276
00:58:52,754 --> 00:58:55,154
Speaker 11: just add Drake all the time. And it's like, eventually,

1277
00:58:55,234 --> 00:58:57,594
Speaker 11: if you start to see those coming and you have

1278
00:58:58,114 --> 00:59:00,394
Speaker 11: a beater ready, and you hit a few of those,

1279
00:59:00,474 --> 00:59:03,354
Speaker 11: they're gonna stop sending pressure from the field because you're

1280
00:59:03,394 --> 00:59:05,714
Speaker 11: gonna carve them up on it, as like Matthew Stafford

1281
00:59:05,794 --> 00:59:07,754
Speaker 11: did when the Patriots splits them a ton.

1282
00:59:07,874 --> 00:59:09,474
Speaker 10: So those are big months.

1283
00:59:09,754 --> 00:59:12,714
Speaker 4: A very specific play not necessarily related to what we're

1284
00:59:12,714 --> 00:59:16,714
Speaker 4: talking about. But there was a third down that Douglas

1285
00:59:17,674 --> 00:59:20,714
Speaker 4: was coming. You know, it looked like he's coming across

1286
00:59:20,834 --> 00:59:23,274
Speaker 4: on an in cut yep. Looked like Drake threw it

1287
00:59:23,354 --> 00:59:26,514
Speaker 4: behind him, like maybe expecting him to go maybe upfield

1288
00:59:26,634 --> 00:59:30,034
Speaker 4: or sit in the zone. Maybe. I don't know, you guys,

1289
00:59:30,274 --> 00:59:33,154
Speaker 4: you know you experts, right, would you guys? See?

1290
00:59:34,754 --> 00:59:37,314
Speaker 11: So I asked around about that play today and asked

1291
00:59:37,354 --> 00:59:40,154
Speaker 11: around a little bit about this this morning because it

1292
00:59:40,274 --> 00:59:42,354
Speaker 11: was something that I noticed on the film was the

1293
00:59:42,514 --> 00:59:46,274
Speaker 11: most egregious thing from an actual execution standpoint, was their

1294
00:59:46,354 --> 00:59:49,754
Speaker 11: handling or lack thereof, of the blitz. And in this offense,

1295
00:59:50,274 --> 00:59:53,234
Speaker 11: this is not a sight adjust the offense. So like

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Speaker 11: when they send pressure in the old offense, then Pop

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Speaker 11: Douglas would have an adjustment to his route to combat

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Speaker 11: the pressure, like he might sit in that instance right

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Speaker 11: in the void of space, left by the blitz. In

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Speaker 11: this offense, they have a designated hot route within the

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Speaker 11: concept that when they send pressure, Drake is supposed to

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Speaker 11: throw to.

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Speaker 10: The hot route.

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Speaker 11: But the hot route is a locked route. So Pop

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Speaker 11: Douglas on that play is running a slant. He has

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Speaker 11: a slant. It doesn't become a you know, a spot

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Speaker 11: or a curl or whatever just because it's a blitz.

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Speaker 11: A slant's a slant, right, So if he's hot on

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Speaker 11: that play, which he was, then he's got to hit

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Speaker 11: the slant over the middle of the field. And that's

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Speaker 11: exactly what Drake said after the game. He said, I

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Speaker 11: missed the throw, you know, And I think those are

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Speaker 11: the types of things that I'm adjusting, and we all

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Speaker 11: have to adjust within this offense. This isn't the old

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Speaker 11: offense where they had all these sight adjustments and route

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Speaker 11: conversions and options and things like that. This is a

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Speaker 11: different kind of offense that they run now.

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Speaker 4: And I just know that based on you know, a

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Speaker 4: couple of months here, Drake's gonna take responsibilities. That doesn't

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Speaker 4: necessarily mean it was on him, sure, I think he's

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Speaker 4: sort of established himself as a guy that's gonna take

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Speaker 19: Marian Marian.

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Speaker 3: Look.

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Speaker 19: Yesterday, the NFL removed Jabril from the commissioners exemp list.

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Speaker 19: He's on the roster. We had an open spot and

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Speaker 19: fully anticipate him being able to practice soon. The Colts looks.

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Speaker 4: It's gonna be a huge challenge for us.

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Speaker 19: I would say defensively, this is one of the better fronts,

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Speaker 19: more disruptive fronts that we have faced this year. We've

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Speaker 19: got to do a good job handling the front. Starts

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Speaker 19: with Buckner, who's been a guy who's played really at

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Speaker 19: a high level for a very long time. Go to

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Speaker 19: the second level. You have Franklin back there, and a

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Speaker 19: third level more and the rest of those guys they're

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Speaker 19: definitely very good players and they have a very good defense.

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Speaker 19: I would say offensively, you know, Taylor, he's a problem.

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Speaker 19: We have to try to, you know, go out there

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Speaker 19: and really bottle him up. I think one thing about him,

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Speaker 19: he probably doesn't get the hype that he deserves. But

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Speaker 19: at the same time, he's a very explosive player and

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Speaker 19: a very fast player out there on the field, and

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Speaker 19: it all really runs through him. And saying that, they

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Speaker 19: definitely have a big arm quarterback, So having a guy

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Speaker 19: like Joe Milton to run the quarterback for the show

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Speaker 19: team is definitely gonna be good for us. You know,

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Speaker 19: they have good receivers, and I think it starts with Pittman.

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Speaker 19: He's one of those guys that is able to do

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Speaker 19: to do the dirty work, doesn't shy away from blocking people,

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Speaker 19: and at the same time he does a good job

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Speaker 19: catching balls over the middle of the field. He's really

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Speaker 19: really a fearless guy. Look, they're dealing with some injuries.

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Speaker 19: We'll see what happens, but we're gonna prepare us if

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Speaker 19: all those guys are are healthy. You know, when you

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01:05:20,914 --> 01:05:22,954
Speaker 19: talk about downs, you talk about the tackles, like all

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Speaker 19: that stuff. We're gonna prepare us if they're healthy. And now,

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Speaker 19: like I told the team, it's about us, It's about us.

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Speaker 19: And Wednesdays, like you know, days like this, I should say,

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Speaker 19: we always talk about changing the page. This is a

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Speaker 19: Wednesday in my world. Uh, we talk about changing the page.

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Speaker 19: And really our full focus, UH is definitely on the

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Speaker 19: colts have an opportunity to come back home, which is

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Speaker 19: always good and it's good to to try to get

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Speaker 19: this thing back on track with uh.

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Speaker 16: Jabrill.

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Speaker 4: You obviously referred to the NFL for so long.

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Speaker 6: Now now that that's off, what's kind of you have

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Speaker 6: a timetable in your mind and you have just fit

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Speaker 6: him playing again.

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Speaker 5: For you the seasons.

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Speaker 19: Look, we put out you know, we put the statement

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Speaker 19: out yesterday from an organizational standpoint of how we you know,

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Speaker 19: how we want to let this process work itself out. Look,

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Speaker 19: when Pep is ready to go, hopefully we can we

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Speaker 19: can get him to again.

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Speaker 7: Sure, does that mean I mean he has a trial

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Speaker 7: day in January? Does that mean you're not waiting for

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Speaker 7: trial his pace to resolve?

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Speaker 19: To me, I think it's it's just out of respect

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Speaker 19: of you know, for the legal process to let that

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Speaker 19: stuff play out. You know, for us inside these these

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Speaker 19: four walls. Look, as long as he's doing the right thing,

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Speaker 19: I expect him to come to be able to play

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Speaker 19: when he's ready to go.

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Speaker 9: Drog who is all involved in the decision now that

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Speaker 9: Gabrilla has been reinstated for him to practice and play

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Speaker 9: given this now and or the organization's.

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Speaker 19: Power the decision, Yeah, you know, I would. It's a

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Speaker 19: combination of things. And again I'm grateful for you know

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Speaker 19: how ownership has allowed Elliott myself to make these type

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Speaker 19: of types of decisions. You know, we'll see what this

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Speaker 19: looks like as it continues to play out. But like

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Speaker 19: I said, you know, our focus is on the Colts.

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Speaker 7: Said back in our ober, I believe when this first

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Speaker 7: happened that it would be some kind of internal investigation.

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Speaker 10: Has something been satisfied.

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Speaker 7: From that investigation?

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Speaker 19: Yeah, I mean, look, I fully understand the question, and look,

1447
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Speaker 19: the process has to I mean it's going to take time,

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Speaker 19: you know, the legal process out the building and you

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Speaker 19: know what we think happened inside the building. But at

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Speaker 19: the same time, the NFL has you know, taking them

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Speaker 19: off of that Commissioner's exemplest, and that's what we have

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Speaker 19: to roll with.

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Speaker 14: Evenicipate getting that a kid will wants about.

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Speaker 19: His practice is for him, he's close. I mean, it's

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Speaker 19: kind of the same conversation that we had with, you know,

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Speaker 19: with bar Moore and the strange of the world. Like

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Speaker 19: he's getting closer and closer, and again, once he's ready

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Speaker 19: to go, he'll go out there and hopefully help our

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Speaker 19: football team some more.

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Speaker 14: Question on Peppers. Has he addressed the team as a group?

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Speaker 7: Will he do.

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Speaker 1: Something like that or is this just sort of he

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Speaker 1: arrives and he just takes over back where he was.

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Speaker 19: I kind of want to, you know, just keep private

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Speaker 19: conversations private. Look, he has a good relationship with everyone

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Speaker 19: in this organization, and we'll just keep all that.

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Speaker 4: Stuff in house.

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Speaker 19: Will still be cappity, We'll keep that conversation in the

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Speaker 19: house as well.

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Speaker 17: This is the building today to the league, explain to

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Speaker 17: you why he was removed from the exemplus.

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Speaker 19: When he was Look, I'm not in those conversations. For me,

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Speaker 19: it's been about really just trying to get this team

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01:08:26,034 --> 01:08:28,394
Speaker 19: ready to play a big game for us because it's

1475
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Speaker 19: the next game.

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Speaker 10: Seeking over it depends a play, find something that.

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Speaker 14: You'd be open to.

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Speaker 19: No, look, I'm not the Marcus is doing a good job.

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Speaker 19: As far as calling plays, it comes down to, you know,

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Speaker 19: executing what what play is called a disappointed where.

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Speaker 14: You with the myscife not for looking on it.

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Speaker 19: The miscommunications in the secondary from a lot of guys

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Speaker 19: that have played together before. Yeah, very very disappointing, especially

1484
01:08:53,314 --> 01:08:56,314
Speaker 19: in critical moments. But the communication has to be better

1485
01:08:56,354 --> 01:08:58,074
Speaker 19: at the second level and at third level. It was

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Speaker 19: very disappointing, especially in the red area. And look, we

1487
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Speaker 19: just have to get better go off of that with Kyle.

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01:09:02,954 --> 01:09:05,194
Speaker 4: Darker and some of the missteps. Maybe Sunday is any

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Speaker 4: of that time to.

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Speaker 14: The ankle injury?

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Speaker 3: Is that kind of completely independent of that to me?

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Speaker 19: You know, anytime we put a player out there, he's

1493
01:09:11,834 --> 01:09:14,434
Speaker 19: healthy enough to play, and if you're healthy enough to play,

1494
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Speaker 19: then the expectation that you're going to perform at a

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Speaker 19: high level.

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Speaker 14: Coach, it's not a year to year about the rookie wall.

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Speaker 7: Did you addressed that with the guys or did you

1498
01:09:21,714 --> 01:09:23,994
Speaker 7: just sort of, you know, cross that bridge when the

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Speaker 7: tech him.

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Speaker 19: You know, I don't really believe in the rookie wall,

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Speaker 19: and I don't believe that it happens, you know, in

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Speaker 19: a certain week. There are certain times throughout the season

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Speaker 19: that you know, you have your ups and downs and

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Speaker 19: you just have to have the mental toughness to be

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Speaker 19: able to push through.

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Speaker 10: And now great moments in.

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Speaker 10: PS.

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01:09:44,474 --> 01:09:46,994
Speaker 3: I was hoping you guys could send me some good luck.

1510
01:09:47,354 --> 01:09:49,794
Speaker 3: I'm a writer in progress and have just sent off

1511
01:09:49,834 --> 01:09:53,354
Speaker 3: a submission that, if accepted, may get me my first novel.

1512
01:09:53,794 --> 01:09:56,874
Speaker 3: Keep your fingers crossed for me. Well, we will absolutely

1513
01:09:57,034 --> 01:09:59,034
Speaker 3: know what you're going through. Claire, Claire from Westman.

1514
01:09:59,114 --> 01:10:00,474
Speaker 10: You don't know what she's going through.

1515
01:10:00,674 --> 01:10:01,354
Speaker 14: I do.

1516
01:10:01,634 --> 01:10:02,954
Speaker 6: I'm trying to get a book published.

1517
01:10:03,034 --> 01:10:03,714
Speaker 4: I know what that is.

1518
01:10:04,154 --> 01:10:06,274
Speaker 3: It sounds like she sent it off. It's like in

1519
01:10:06,394 --> 01:10:06,914
Speaker 3: this works.

1520
01:10:07,314 --> 01:10:09,314
Speaker 10: No, she said she's sent it off, like she's trying

1521
01:10:09,354 --> 01:10:13,034
Speaker 10: to get it published. Well, unless I'm misunderstanding what she's saying.

1522
01:10:13,234 --> 01:10:15,154
Speaker 3: Yeah, well she's hers is finished.

1523
01:10:15,354 --> 01:10:16,034
Speaker 6: Yes, so's mine.

1524
01:10:16,194 --> 01:10:17,794
Speaker 4: It is why I'm trying to get it published.

1525
01:10:17,834 --> 01:10:20,834
Speaker 3: The Africa one. Yes, it's a long time ago.

1526
01:10:20,994 --> 01:10:22,834
Speaker 2: Right, that's another great moment.

1527
01:10:26,274 --> 01:10:28,874
Speaker 3: All right back here on Patriots Unfiltered A five five

1528
01:10:28,874 --> 01:10:32,554
Speaker 3: past five hundred is the Ace Ticket Hotline TPX hotline.

1529
01:10:32,594 --> 01:10:37,234
Speaker 3: I'm sorry, TPX, TPX Hotline podcasts at Patriots dot com

1530
01:10:37,674 --> 01:10:38,554
Speaker 3: is email address.

1531
01:10:38,674 --> 01:10:41,354
Speaker 4: There was no bullying quite like bred bullying out he watched.

1532
01:10:41,594 --> 01:10:43,754
Speaker 6: You could hear him, You could hear like the discuss

1533
01:10:44,114 --> 01:10:44,754
Speaker 6: he was he was.

1534
01:10:44,754 --> 01:10:46,674
Speaker 4: Getting ready to get like a read going or something

1535
01:10:46,714 --> 01:10:48,234
Speaker 4: about transitioning to something else.

1536
01:10:50,594 --> 01:10:51,834
Speaker 10: Just let that go right down.

1537
01:10:51,954 --> 01:10:54,194
Speaker 3: Oh, yes, us writers, we're in the same boat.

1538
01:10:54,234 --> 01:10:56,074
Speaker 10: We you know, we're starving artists.

1539
01:10:56,114 --> 01:10:56,434
Speaker 15: Friends.

1540
01:10:57,274 --> 01:10:59,514
Speaker 3: I know where you're coming from. No, you don't know,

1541
01:10:59,674 --> 01:11:02,794
Speaker 3: you don't we're not. Uh yeah. If you want to

1542
01:11:03,194 --> 01:11:07,434
Speaker 3: get the newsletter, which you must get, just email anything

1543
01:11:07,594 --> 01:11:11,114
Speaker 3: to podcasts at Patriots dot com and you'll automatically be

1544
01:11:11,194 --> 01:11:15,914
Speaker 3: put in the distribution list for the newsletter. Paul and

1545
01:11:15,994 --> 01:11:19,474
Speaker 3: Northbridge writes in at Podcasts at Patriots dot com. Why

1546
01:11:19,554 --> 01:11:22,994
Speaker 3: haven't we heard from Robert Kraft regarding the state of things?

1547
01:11:23,594 --> 01:11:25,714
Speaker 3: Is it just too terrible and no way or anything

1548
01:11:25,794 --> 01:11:28,314
Speaker 3: positive to come from that? Things are just terrible and

1549
01:11:28,354 --> 01:11:30,874
Speaker 3: I feel like we're desperate for some leadership. You don't

1550
01:11:30,874 --> 01:11:33,114
Speaker 3: want to hear from the owner right now? You know,

1551
01:11:33,474 --> 01:11:36,514
Speaker 3: there's nothing the owner should be saying right now. The

1552
01:11:36,594 --> 01:11:38,474
Speaker 3: next time I want to hear from the owner is

1553
01:11:39,474 --> 01:11:42,154
Speaker 3: opening up the wallet in the off season. That's that's

1554
01:11:42,234 --> 01:11:43,954
Speaker 3: the only thing I want to hear from the owner.

1555
01:11:44,114 --> 01:11:44,514
Speaker 3: You don't.

1556
01:11:44,714 --> 01:11:46,714
Speaker 4: How do you think we typically hear from Robert Kraft?

1557
01:11:48,874 --> 01:11:52,194
Speaker 3: And forget about it. In any sport, pro sport, any odor,

1558
01:11:52,274 --> 01:11:55,594
Speaker 3: they let the people that you hired to do the

1559
01:11:55,674 --> 01:11:58,514
Speaker 3: job do the job. Don't interject at this point, it's

1560
01:11:58,634 --> 01:12:01,354
Speaker 3: just gonna make things worse because everyone's gonna read into it.

1561
01:12:01,754 --> 01:12:04,114
Speaker 3: What does he mean, who's he gonna fire? What does

1562
01:12:04,154 --> 01:12:08,714
Speaker 3: that mean? Just here's here's what owners should do. They

1563
01:12:08,754 --> 01:12:11,754
Speaker 3: should hire the head coach or GM and they should

1564
01:12:12,154 --> 01:12:15,074
Speaker 3: pay for things when they're asked for it. You know,

1565
01:12:15,754 --> 01:12:16,474
Speaker 3: that's their job.

1566
01:12:17,194 --> 01:12:20,074
Speaker 11: That's their job, and my time covering the team other

1567
01:12:20,194 --> 01:12:23,954
Speaker 11: than appearances like on NFL Network or something like that,

1568
01:12:24,074 --> 01:12:27,314
Speaker 11: like in Germany a couple of years ago. Uh, Robert

1569
01:12:27,354 --> 01:12:30,314
Speaker 11: Craft has never spoken during the season, not a single

1570
01:12:30,394 --> 01:12:33,554
Speaker 11: time since twenty eighteen. Has he had a press conference

1571
01:12:33,714 --> 01:12:40,594
Speaker 11: in season? Owners meetings always And that's that's pretty much it.

1572
01:12:40,874 --> 01:12:42,954
Speaker 11: Like in terms of formal this is a press.

1573
01:12:42,914 --> 01:12:47,154
Speaker 4: Conference events where he'll appear, you know, when he does,

1574
01:12:47,234 --> 01:12:50,834
Speaker 4: like the the community MVPs, things like that, some charitable

1575
01:12:50,954 --> 01:12:56,234
Speaker 4: endeavors and sometimes if there's media there he'll make himself available.

1576
01:12:56,274 --> 01:12:57,994
Speaker 4: But I agree with Evan. I don't think they're like

1577
01:12:58,154 --> 01:13:00,994
Speaker 4: formal press conferences with Robert Craft during the season. I

1578
01:13:00,994 --> 01:13:02,074
Speaker 4: don't think that's something he's.

1579
01:13:01,954 --> 01:13:04,674
Speaker 11: Ever Listen, that's a good times and you know that

1580
01:13:04,954 --> 01:13:06,794
Speaker 11: eighteen they won the Super Bowl and he did good

1581
01:13:06,874 --> 01:13:07,914
Speaker 11: times in I.

1582
01:13:07,914 --> 01:13:10,114
Speaker 3: Mean, if you're in Dallas and Jerry Jones is also

1583
01:13:10,194 --> 01:13:13,354
Speaker 3: the general manager. Okay, so he's talking after every game.

1584
01:13:13,314 --> 01:13:15,594
Speaker 4: But that's that's the way Jones has always done it.

1585
01:13:16,074 --> 01:13:18,154
Speaker 4: So if he stopped doing it, that to me would

1586
01:13:18,194 --> 01:13:21,074
Speaker 4: be a departure from the norm. And I think if

1587
01:13:21,114 --> 01:13:23,154
Speaker 4: he if all of a sudden, Robert Craft started to

1588
01:13:23,234 --> 01:13:25,634
Speaker 4: do it, that would be a departure from the norm.

1589
01:13:25,874 --> 01:13:29,594
Speaker 3: Yeah, Trevor and Revere writes in I understand social media

1590
01:13:30,034 --> 01:13:32,834
Speaker 3: generally represents the loud minority, but I feel as though

1591
01:13:32,834 --> 01:13:35,874
Speaker 3: there are too many calls for Mayo, AVP and Covington

1592
01:13:35,914 --> 01:13:38,514
Speaker 3: to be fired. I understand the team hasn't performed well

1593
01:13:38,554 --> 01:13:40,674
Speaker 3: and some of the mistakes can be attributed to coaching,

1594
01:13:40,994 --> 01:13:44,514
Speaker 3: but nothing grinds my gears more than attributing every single

1595
01:13:44,634 --> 01:13:47,834
Speaker 3: bad play to the scheme. Sometimes the players just aren't

1596
01:13:47,834 --> 01:13:50,954
Speaker 3: good enough, and we have a poor roster. Do you

1597
01:13:51,034 --> 01:13:53,554
Speaker 3: see any scenario of a change in the head coach,

1598
01:13:53,634 --> 01:13:57,234
Speaker 3: OC or DC next year outside of something egregious happening.

1599
01:13:57,594 --> 01:14:00,354
Speaker 3: I feel the same as I do with QBS. By

1600
01:14:00,394 --> 01:14:02,154
Speaker 3: the middle of the second year, you'll have a pretty

1601
01:14:02,194 --> 01:14:04,194
Speaker 3: good sense of who they are. And I have no

1602
01:14:04,354 --> 01:14:06,834
Speaker 3: interest in being the kind of team that goes through

1603
01:14:06,914 --> 01:14:09,274
Speaker 3: coaches as quick as Paul goes through DIETPEPSI.

1604
01:14:11,234 --> 01:14:13,114
Speaker 6: It goes for me back to our point about this

1605
01:14:13,234 --> 01:14:16,554
Speaker 6: game this weekend, and I just I wonder if they

1606
01:14:17,314 --> 01:14:20,154
Speaker 6: lose these last five games and they don't really show anything,

1607
01:14:20,954 --> 01:14:23,394
Speaker 6: I just I don't know who, but I feel like

1608
01:14:23,514 --> 01:14:27,234
Speaker 6: a change, even if it's ceremonial, but some kind of

1609
01:14:27,314 --> 01:14:29,874
Speaker 6: change will have to happen if they If they squeak

1610
01:14:29,914 --> 01:14:32,354
Speaker 6: out this year. These last five games, you don't see

1611
01:14:32,394 --> 01:14:34,234
Speaker 6: any progress. They're turning them ball the same thing we

1612
01:14:34,314 --> 01:14:36,754
Speaker 6: saw last weekend in some you know, different form these

1613
01:14:36,834 --> 01:14:38,634
Speaker 6: last five games. And I don't want to put too

1614
01:14:38,714 --> 01:14:41,314
Speaker 6: much on it, but I think they need to show

1615
01:14:41,394 --> 01:14:44,234
Speaker 6: something where there isn't some kind of change. I don't

1616
01:14:44,314 --> 01:14:45,914
Speaker 6: think that's Mayo, but is.

1617
01:14:45,954 --> 01:14:48,394
Speaker 4: I don't understand why people aren't allowed to evaluate what

1618
01:14:48,514 --> 01:14:52,354
Speaker 4: they see like, I don't know why that grinds people's gears.

1619
01:14:52,954 --> 01:14:54,954
Speaker 4: You know, I don't think Drid Mayo should be fired.

1620
01:14:54,994 --> 01:14:57,074
Speaker 4: I said that earlier in the show. I'll say it again.

1621
01:14:57,194 --> 01:14:59,954
Speaker 4: But why can you not look at how they play

1622
01:15:00,034 --> 01:15:02,274
Speaker 4: and say, geez, I don't think the offensive coordinator is

1623
01:15:02,274 --> 01:15:04,354
Speaker 4: the right guy, or I don't think the defensive coordinator

1624
01:15:04,354 --> 01:15:06,594
Speaker 4: is the right guy. Why why you're not allowed to

1625
01:15:06,674 --> 01:15:06,834
Speaker 4: do that?

1626
01:15:07,994 --> 01:15:09,794
Speaker 3: Well, of course you're allowed to do that, but.

1627
01:15:09,994 --> 01:15:12,794
Speaker 4: That's grinding people's gears. We had a call earlier that

1628
01:15:12,874 --> 01:15:14,794
Speaker 4: said that he had a rant about it. Now we're

1629
01:15:14,794 --> 01:15:17,314
Speaker 4: getting an email and I'm not criticizing these people. That's

1630
01:15:17,354 --> 01:15:20,514
Speaker 4: how they feel. But I don't understand why if you

1631
01:15:20,714 --> 01:15:21,394
Speaker 4: think a.

1632
01:15:21,434 --> 01:15:23,954
Speaker 3: Guy that you like, the cult should fire Chris Ballad.

1633
01:15:25,634 --> 01:15:28,194
Speaker 4: I don't know enough about their personnel, But on the

1634
01:15:28,274 --> 01:15:29,154
Speaker 4: surface I would say no.

1635
01:15:29,274 --> 01:15:30,034
Speaker 3: They're all saying that.

1636
01:15:30,714 --> 01:15:32,594
Speaker 4: On the surface, I would say no because I think

1637
01:15:32,634 --> 01:15:35,394
Speaker 4: they have a reasonably talented roster, right, But I don't

1638
01:15:35,394 --> 01:15:36,834
Speaker 4: know enough about it. Maybe they have a lot of

1639
01:15:36,874 --> 01:15:39,994
Speaker 4: holes that he hasn't filled. You know, maybe he should.

1640
01:15:40,394 --> 01:15:44,194
Speaker 4: But my only point is if you decide if you're

1641
01:15:44,234 --> 01:15:46,114
Speaker 4: watching a guy and you don't think he's the right guy.

1642
01:15:46,194 --> 01:15:47,874
Speaker 4: I don't care if he's in year one or year four,

1643
01:15:47,914 --> 01:15:49,594
Speaker 4: It doesn't matter to me. I don't think he's the

1644
01:15:49,714 --> 01:15:52,514
Speaker 4: right guy, and I don't think that's unfair to say

1645
01:15:52,594 --> 01:15:53,114
Speaker 4: that he should be.

1646
01:15:53,114 --> 01:15:54,714
Speaker 3: A valued I think some of the time, some of

1647
01:15:54,794 --> 01:15:59,554
Speaker 3: the time, you know, like you don't think he's the

1648
01:15:59,634 --> 01:16:02,234
Speaker 3: right guy, just because you're losing games and you want

1649
01:16:02,274 --> 01:16:06,714
Speaker 3: to blame somebody. And it's I understand where for some

1650
01:16:06,914 --> 01:16:10,474
Speaker 3: people after, you know, when you're in year one of

1651
01:16:10,594 --> 01:16:13,554
Speaker 3: this new regime, for already to be calling for people

1652
01:16:13,714 --> 01:16:15,914
Speaker 3: to be fired is a little bit so.

1653
01:16:16,154 --> 01:16:18,714
Speaker 4: But that's how you and I feel. Yeah, but that

1654
01:16:18,794 --> 01:16:19,554
Speaker 4: doesn't mean we're right.

1655
01:16:19,714 --> 01:16:21,794
Speaker 3: No, it doesn't mean we're right. But I can understand

1656
01:16:21,834 --> 01:16:26,034
Speaker 3: why some people would be frustrated with that, Like, you know, like.

1657
01:16:26,194 --> 01:16:28,394
Speaker 4: I don't understand why I would bother people to that extent.

1658
01:16:28,514 --> 01:16:31,394
Speaker 11: It's just like every game becomes a referendum on the

1659
01:16:31,514 --> 01:16:35,314
Speaker 11: coaching staff, on the operation, and it's you know, you

1660
01:16:35,394 --> 01:16:38,234
Speaker 11: gotta look at it as a totality and deduce his point,

1661
01:16:38,594 --> 01:16:40,954
Speaker 11: like if there isn't an upward trajectory here in some

1662
01:16:41,194 --> 01:16:43,594
Speaker 11: areas of the time, that's all I'm saying, then they have,

1663
01:16:43,754 --> 01:16:45,474
Speaker 11: but we let's wait and see what it looks like.

1664
01:16:45,914 --> 01:16:47,914
Speaker 11: But you know, in January asked me again, right like,

1665
01:16:47,954 --> 01:16:50,594
Speaker 11: I don't think right now making that declaration.

1666
01:16:50,754 --> 01:16:53,514
Speaker 3: And I wish I wish we could be at practice

1667
01:16:53,554 --> 01:16:55,714
Speaker 3: up and close and personal. I wish I could be there.

1668
01:16:56,554 --> 01:16:59,794
Speaker 3: I wish I could hear how these position coaches are

1669
01:16:59,834 --> 01:17:03,754
Speaker 3: coaching these players and what Gerard is saying during practice,

1670
01:17:03,794 --> 01:17:05,514
Speaker 3: and so I could say, you know, these guys are

1671
01:17:05,554 --> 01:17:08,074
Speaker 3: being coached up well, how do you know, like because

1672
01:17:08,114 --> 01:17:09,194
Speaker 3: I can see it and hear it.

1673
01:17:09,394 --> 01:17:11,994
Speaker 4: Like I'll give you Evan like he's obviously studies some

1674
01:17:12,154 --> 01:17:15,314
Speaker 4: of his stuff, but you don't know if the what

1675
01:17:15,474 --> 01:17:17,474
Speaker 4: he's what they're being told is the right thing.

1676
01:17:17,994 --> 01:17:19,914
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you can you. I mean, like if

1677
01:17:19,954 --> 01:17:22,274
Speaker 3: you're sitting on the meetings and have all the information,

1678
01:17:22,394 --> 01:17:23,234
Speaker 3: you can say, wow.

1679
01:17:23,514 --> 01:17:24,234
Speaker 10: You know yeah.

1680
01:17:24,434 --> 01:17:27,434
Speaker 4: I mean I don't bogged down in that. But I

1681
01:17:28,794 --> 01:17:34,714
Speaker 4: just feel like there's two there's two camps, and they're

1682
01:17:34,794 --> 01:17:38,594
Speaker 4: so far apart. It's almost like politics, like there's no

1683
01:17:38,754 --> 01:17:41,194
Speaker 4: room for anything wants, there's no room for any context

1684
01:17:41,274 --> 01:17:41,834
Speaker 4: for anything.

1685
01:17:42,394 --> 01:17:42,554
Speaker 14: You know.

1686
01:17:42,594 --> 01:17:44,714
Speaker 4: One of the things that's really bothering me about the

1687
01:17:44,754 --> 01:17:47,834
Speaker 4: criticism that Mayo was getting. Is this thing that Ben

1688
01:17:47,954 --> 01:17:50,874
Speaker 4: Voleen has been on a lot like it continued to

1689
01:17:50,914 --> 01:17:53,994
Speaker 4: coach scared? So not every time you don't go for

1690
01:17:54,074 --> 01:17:56,994
Speaker 4: a fourth down means you're scared, right, Like, do we

1691
01:17:57,154 --> 01:18:00,394
Speaker 4: really think it was like a like a black mark

1692
01:18:00,514 --> 01:18:02,914
Speaker 4: on the coaching resume to come out in the first

1693
01:18:02,994 --> 01:18:05,234
Speaker 4: drive of the game and face a fourth and one

1694
01:18:05,274 --> 01:18:06,954
Speaker 4: from your own thirty nine yard line and not go

1695
01:18:07,114 --> 01:18:09,554
Speaker 4: for it, Right, maybe you have some faith, Like why

1696
01:18:09,674 --> 01:18:12,314
Speaker 4: is that coaching scared? What John Harbaugh did last night

1697
01:18:13,394 --> 01:18:16,834
Speaker 4: was to me borderline astounding at the end of the

1698
01:18:16,874 --> 01:18:19,914
Speaker 4: first half going for a fourth inches from your own

1699
01:18:19,994 --> 01:18:22,154
Speaker 4: sixteen yard line. It was like the first time in

1700
01:18:22,314 --> 01:18:24,794
Speaker 4: like thirty years that someone did that in the first

1701
01:18:24,834 --> 01:18:26,594
Speaker 4: half of it game that close to their own goal.

1702
01:18:26,714 --> 01:18:28,354
Speaker 3: That was me going against my brother.

1703
01:18:28,394 --> 01:18:31,034
Speaker 4: Like, I'm not telling you it was the wrong move,

1704
01:18:31,554 --> 01:18:34,154
Speaker 4: but I think it was dumb. I think it was

1705
01:18:34,194 --> 01:18:37,674
Speaker 4: flat out dumb in a just a wild risk to

1706
01:18:37,794 --> 01:18:39,074
Speaker 4: take in a ten to seven game.

1707
01:18:39,474 --> 01:18:39,954
Speaker 3: It worked.

1708
01:18:39,994 --> 01:18:42,314
Speaker 4: It couldn't have worked any better. Not only they converted,

1709
01:18:42,594 --> 01:18:44,034
Speaker 4: they went down and scored a touchdown.

1710
01:18:44,194 --> 01:18:44,914
Speaker 10: Right, helps him?

1711
01:18:44,914 --> 01:18:46,314
Speaker 3: You have the MVP at quarterback.

1712
01:18:46,674 --> 01:18:49,074
Speaker 4: Oh, I mean they got it by this much by

1713
01:18:49,114 --> 01:18:51,314
Speaker 4: giving them allowing the tight end to keep the ball.

1714
01:18:51,434 --> 01:18:51,634
Speaker 6: Yeah.

1715
01:18:51,714 --> 01:18:53,554
Speaker 11: No, I just meant the throat of a shot bateman

1716
01:18:53,594 --> 01:18:54,634
Speaker 11: at the end of the drive.

1717
01:18:54,794 --> 01:18:56,754
Speaker 4: Yeah, But I mean I mean the big player, to

1718
01:18:56,834 --> 01:18:58,834
Speaker 4: be honest, the big play in that drive was a Flowers.

1719
01:18:58,994 --> 01:19:00,874
Speaker 4: Like they weren't going to get any points, they were

1720
01:19:00,954 --> 01:19:02,754
Speaker 4: just running out the clock, and all of a sudden

1721
01:19:02,834 --> 01:19:05,354
Speaker 4: he picked up twenty five extra yards with just a

1722
01:19:05,434 --> 01:19:10,314
Speaker 4: tremendous run after the catch. But if that means like

1723
01:19:10,634 --> 01:19:12,794
Speaker 4: he's not scared, so that's a great thing. That was

1724
01:19:12,834 --> 01:19:16,394
Speaker 4: a reckless, wild thing to do, right. I don't want

1725
01:19:16,434 --> 01:19:17,314
Speaker 4: my coach going.

1726
01:19:17,154 --> 01:19:19,754
Speaker 3: For a fourth and one from his own sixty something

1727
01:19:19,834 --> 01:19:21,834
Speaker 3: like that and it didn't work. You'd be calling him

1728
01:19:21,834 --> 01:19:24,354
Speaker 3: an idiot, right, you know, so like you can't win.

1729
01:19:24,474 --> 01:19:26,314
Speaker 4: I just don't understand. And why not going for a

1730
01:19:26,354 --> 01:19:28,314
Speaker 4: fourth and one on the on your own thirty nine

1731
01:19:28,394 --> 01:19:31,114
Speaker 4: yard line on the first drive, first possession of the game,

1732
01:19:32,194 --> 01:19:32,954
Speaker 4: means you're scared.

1733
01:19:33,034 --> 01:19:34,754
Speaker 6: I didn't even realize people criticizing them for that.

1734
01:19:34,954 --> 01:19:38,034
Speaker 11: Well, the other one that people aren't ben the other

1735
01:19:38,114 --> 01:19:40,194
Speaker 11: one that you heard a lot on Sunday and it

1736
01:19:40,434 --> 01:19:43,234
Speaker 11: was about the third and sixteen run to set up

1737
01:19:43,274 --> 01:19:46,154
Speaker 11: the field goal, which I didn't like, which in theory,

1738
01:19:46,394 --> 01:19:48,394
Speaker 11: like you know, you probably hope that you're going to

1739
01:19:48,474 --> 01:19:50,314
Speaker 11: get I think they got four yards on it or

1740
01:19:50,354 --> 01:19:53,274
Speaker 11: something like that. But it's also like in nowadays, a

1741
01:19:53,354 --> 01:19:55,674
Speaker 11: forty five yard field goal in good condition.

1742
01:19:55,874 --> 01:19:56,714
Speaker 4: That's why I didn't like it.

1743
01:19:57,274 --> 01:19:59,994
Speaker 10: That should be money in the bank, right, I don't.

1744
01:20:00,274 --> 01:20:02,634
Speaker 4: I don't need to have my field goal improved from

1745
01:20:02,714 --> 01:20:06,154
Speaker 4: forty eight yards yeah like that. Now if it's fifty eight,

1746
01:20:06,354 --> 01:20:08,114
Speaker 4: if they were ten yards back and they ran the

1747
01:20:08,154 --> 01:20:10,634
Speaker 4: same play on third and sixteen, I'd have no issue.

1748
01:20:11,514 --> 01:20:14,194
Speaker 4: But to me, it's already what Evan said. I'm going

1749
01:20:14,234 --> 01:20:16,114
Speaker 4: to make a forty eight yard field goal over eighty

1750
01:20:16,114 --> 01:20:19,074
Speaker 4: percent of the time in this league. I got to

1751
01:20:19,114 --> 01:20:21,434
Speaker 4: make that field goal. I don't need to worry about

1752
01:20:21,914 --> 01:20:23,954
Speaker 4: let's let's let's run the ball, make it a little

1753
01:20:23,994 --> 01:20:26,314
Speaker 4: bit easier as on that and try to go for something,

1754
01:20:26,394 --> 01:20:27,154
Speaker 4: try to make a play.

1755
01:20:27,274 --> 01:20:29,554
Speaker 11: Yeah, I do wonder if they're worried about a sack

1756
01:20:29,634 --> 01:20:32,274
Speaker 11: and going backwards out of field goal range. But I

1757
01:20:32,594 --> 01:20:34,914
Speaker 11: just I wrote it in the mail bag today that

1758
01:20:35,274 --> 01:20:38,114
Speaker 11: Girodd said when they hired the coordinators that he might

1759
01:20:38,194 --> 01:20:41,714
Speaker 11: not get all of the hires right the first time through.

1760
01:20:42,074 --> 01:20:44,194
Speaker 11: I thought that was really surprising at the time. I know,

1761
01:20:44,474 --> 01:20:46,674
Speaker 11: I'm sure we talked about it at the time, but

1762
01:20:47,634 --> 01:20:48,674
Speaker 11: you know, he said it himself.

1763
01:20:48,794 --> 01:20:49,754
Speaker 10: So be true to that.

1764
01:20:49,834 --> 01:20:53,114
Speaker 11: If you're seeing something, whether it's at the coordinator level

1765
01:20:53,234 --> 01:20:55,514
Speaker 11: or the position coach level, that you don't think is

1766
01:20:55,594 --> 01:20:56,954
Speaker 11: working or you don't think that's right.

1767
01:20:57,114 --> 01:20:59,234
Speaker 4: Point, Like, if you don't think it's right, why can

1768
01:20:59,314 --> 01:21:01,554
Speaker 4: you not say that? Like why does that have to

1769
01:21:01,594 --> 01:21:02,594
Speaker 4: grind everyone's.

1770
01:21:02,314 --> 01:21:02,674
Speaker 10: Key, right?

1771
01:21:02,754 --> 01:21:04,674
Speaker 11: I mean, like and he only he knows the really

1772
01:21:04,754 --> 01:21:06,354
Speaker 11: the answer to that, Like, I don't even think any

1773
01:21:06,354 --> 01:21:08,314
Speaker 11: of us are in a position to know if the

1774
01:21:08,634 --> 01:21:11,914
Speaker 11: you know, the linebackers coach or the safety's coach, and

1775
01:21:11,914 --> 01:21:14,314
Speaker 11: I'm not talking about those guys specifically, but just in general,

1776
01:21:14,874 --> 01:21:17,834
Speaker 11: are doing the right job. You know, only Girod can

1777
01:21:17,914 --> 01:21:21,434
Speaker 11: really tell you that for sure. And don't be so

1778
01:21:21,754 --> 01:21:25,114
Speaker 11: loyal to the Belichick holdovers, Like if you don't think

1779
01:21:25,314 --> 01:21:29,394
Speaker 11: Marcus Covington's doing a good job coordinating the defense, then

1780
01:21:29,994 --> 01:21:32,874
Speaker 11: hire somebody else, Like, don't just because he's been here

1781
01:21:33,234 --> 01:21:35,554
Speaker 11: and he's you know, one of your guys with Bill

1782
01:21:35,674 --> 01:21:37,954
Speaker 11: and all that kind of stuff that shouldn't.

1783
01:21:37,554 --> 01:21:39,514
Speaker 10: Have any hold on what they do moving forward.

1784
01:21:39,754 --> 01:21:43,354
Speaker 3: It's in a very important offseason. Tom in England writes

1785
01:21:43,394 --> 01:21:45,234
Speaker 3: in as we turn the page to this week's game,

1786
01:21:45,714 --> 01:21:48,554
Speaker 3: please see my list of complaints and gripes from this

1787
01:21:48,674 --> 01:21:52,474
Speaker 3: past Sunday's game. Gonzales blitzing fills me with rage every

1788
01:21:52,554 --> 01:21:55,394
Speaker 3: time I see it. Coach Mayo needs to stop saying

1789
01:21:55,514 --> 01:21:57,754
Speaker 3: it starts with me, and every press conference is just

1790
01:21:57,834 --> 01:22:02,154
Speaker 3: infuriating as he doesn't actually do anything afterwards. The will

1791
01:22:02,274 --> 01:22:06,314
Speaker 3: Levis Mayonnaise commercial is cringeworthy, the Brock Proty Paw patrol

1792
01:22:06,354 --> 01:22:10,594
Speaker 3: commercial is adorable, and finally, Mike but Daniel's wearing shades

1793
01:22:10,754 --> 01:22:13,954
Speaker 3: on the sideline fills me with disgust every time I

1794
01:22:14,074 --> 01:22:16,394
Speaker 3: see it. The man is a tool. I would pay

1795
01:22:16,474 --> 01:22:18,834
Speaker 3: the Dolphins whatever they ask for to have him coach

1796
01:22:18,914 --> 01:22:23,034
Speaker 3: the Patriots. So I think he's being funny there.

1797
01:22:24,114 --> 01:22:25,754
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think he's a tool, but he he still.

1798
01:22:25,594 --> 01:22:27,394
Speaker 3: Wants him right, Yeah.

1799
01:22:27,394 --> 01:22:28,874
Speaker 4: I think he thinks he's a tool, but he thinks

1800
01:22:28,874 --> 01:22:29,514
Speaker 4: he's a good coach.

1801
01:22:29,834 --> 01:22:32,594
Speaker 11: I love how the one time that Christian Gonzales plits

1802
01:22:32,714 --> 01:22:35,274
Speaker 11: on Sunday, Really that was number one on the list,

1803
01:22:36,194 --> 01:22:37,794
Speaker 11: but it's the one time in the game and we

1804
01:22:37,874 --> 01:22:38,394
Speaker 11: can't have that.

1805
01:22:38,874 --> 01:22:41,154
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't have any problem with sending cornerback blitzes.

1806
01:22:41,194 --> 01:22:43,314
Speaker 4: I mean, I know his point is not Gonzales, make

1807
01:22:43,354 --> 01:22:45,634
Speaker 4: it someone else who's not as valuable in coverage, but.

1808
01:22:47,234 --> 01:22:54,274
Speaker 3: Cares El from Wisconsin. Paul's gonna disagree with you a little.

1809
01:22:54,314 --> 01:22:55,194
Speaker 4: I think that's okay.

1810
01:22:55,314 --> 01:22:57,754
Speaker 3: I'm still so angry about that draw on third and sixteen.

1811
01:22:57,794 --> 01:22:59,834
Speaker 3: You're a team who's strugg Maybe he's agreeing. You're a

1812
01:22:59,874 --> 01:23:02,434
Speaker 3: team who struggles on offense and you just give up

1813
01:23:02,474 --> 01:23:04,274
Speaker 3: and go for a long field goal on a drive

1814
01:23:04,554 --> 01:23:07,914
Speaker 3: you actually somehow move it. I'm glad they missed. Scared

1815
01:23:07,994 --> 01:23:10,834
Speaker 3: loser coaching doesn't deserve to get rewarded.

1816
01:23:11,154 --> 01:23:13,314
Speaker 4: I didn't like the call. I said it to Mike

1817
01:23:13,354 --> 01:23:14,554
Speaker 4: at the time. I was like, you know, and there

1818
01:23:14,634 --> 01:23:17,594
Speaker 4: was another one that they had a third and long

1819
01:23:17,794 --> 01:23:22,394
Speaker 4: later and they max protected. Evan will probably remember exactly

1820
01:23:22,474 --> 01:23:24,714
Speaker 4: to play, and I remember they had seven guys, so

1821
01:23:24,794 --> 01:23:28,634
Speaker 4: they only guys, And I was like, if you're gonna

1822
01:23:28,674 --> 01:23:30,114
Speaker 4: do that, just run the ball. If you're going to

1823
01:23:30,154 --> 01:23:33,354
Speaker 4: give up, Like, we can't protect him, so we can't

1824
01:23:33,434 --> 01:23:36,274
Speaker 4: throw it. We're gonna just keep everybody in So then

1825
01:23:36,474 --> 01:23:38,554
Speaker 4: just run the ball and get off the field and punt.

1826
01:23:38,994 --> 01:23:40,274
Speaker 10: Yeah, that one was weird.

1827
01:23:40,434 --> 01:23:43,474
Speaker 11: Like, I just there's so many instances in this game,

1828
01:23:43,554 --> 01:23:46,074
Speaker 11: and I didn't really feel this way last week against

1829
01:23:46,114 --> 01:23:48,474
Speaker 11: the Rams. So I think that's such a just to

1830
01:23:48,514 --> 01:23:49,274
Speaker 11: see this happening.

1831
01:23:49,394 --> 01:23:51,194
Speaker 4: Why maybe it's coming on the heels of what I

1832
01:23:51,234 --> 01:23:52,434
Speaker 4: thought was the best offense.

1833
01:23:52,594 --> 01:23:54,754
Speaker 10: Yeah, just like in such a in one week to

1834
01:23:54,914 --> 01:23:55,874
Speaker 10: just have it go that way.

1835
01:23:55,994 --> 01:23:58,274
Speaker 11: But you know, there's so many instances on this film

1836
01:23:58,274 --> 01:24:00,914
Speaker 11: where I was like, if I'm playing quarterback, like where

1837
01:24:00,954 --> 01:24:02,594
Speaker 11: am I going with the ball? And it's not just

1838
01:24:02,674 --> 01:24:04,914
Speaker 11: because guys are getting not getting open, it's just like

1839
01:24:04,994 --> 01:24:06,034
Speaker 11: the design of the play.

1840
01:24:06,554 --> 01:24:09,314
Speaker 10: It's just like you know, where where would you if

1841
01:24:09,354 --> 01:24:10,314
Speaker 10: you're playing QB.

1842
01:24:10,794 --> 01:24:12,834
Speaker 11: You know, the thing that you want is just answers,

1843
01:24:12,954 --> 01:24:15,674
Speaker 11: Like you don't want to be back there tentative and

1844
01:24:16,154 --> 01:24:19,034
Speaker 11: uncertain and all that type of stuff. You just want

1845
01:24:19,074 --> 01:24:22,674
Speaker 11: to have answers to the different problems that the defense

1846
01:24:22,754 --> 01:24:25,554
Speaker 11: presents that you whether it's coverage, it splits, it's whatever.

1847
01:24:25,954 --> 01:24:27,874
Speaker 11: And in this game, it just looked so often like

1848
01:24:27,994 --> 01:24:31,394
Speaker 11: Drake just said no, answers on plays like that play

1849
01:24:31,554 --> 01:24:32,474
Speaker 11: was one that stood out.

1850
01:24:32,394 --> 01:24:32,794
Speaker 10: To me too.

1851
01:24:33,354 --> 01:24:36,034
Speaker 11: Or it's just like there's three guys running basically like

1852
01:24:36,154 --> 01:24:38,754
Speaker 11: three vertical routes down the field on third and sixteen.

1853
01:24:38,994 --> 01:24:42,514
Speaker 11: There's no check down, there's nothing to be seen underneath

1854
01:24:42,554 --> 01:24:44,794
Speaker 11: the defense, and he's just standing back there and he'd

1855
01:24:44,794 --> 01:24:46,874
Speaker 11: gets sacked like it's just what he's wanted to do.

1856
01:24:47,354 --> 01:24:50,794
Speaker 3: Alyssa from France right sin Mike said not to play

1857
01:24:50,874 --> 01:24:52,754
Speaker 3: his locker room song at the beginning of the podcast,

1858
01:24:52,834 --> 01:24:54,994
Speaker 3: but I always like to hear it. Don't let him

1859
01:24:55,074 --> 01:24:57,914
Speaker 3: choose to skip it. Also, could it be worth giving

1860
01:24:57,994 --> 01:25:01,153
Speaker 3: Javon Baker a try now? Sunday's loss was so painful,

1861
01:25:01,474 --> 01:25:03,514
Speaker 3: I'd almost be willing to try anything new.

1862
01:25:04,154 --> 01:25:05,754
Speaker 6: They're giving him a little I mean a little bit.

1863
01:25:05,794 --> 01:25:07,674
Speaker 6: I mean it's not a lot, but I think in

1864
01:25:07,714 --> 01:25:09,114
Speaker 6: their way, they're giving him a chance right now.

1865
01:25:09,154 --> 01:25:11,834
Speaker 4: I this is We talked about this in the postgame

1866
01:25:11,874 --> 01:25:17,114
Speaker 4: show a little Freddy, Like, does anybody really think Javon

1867
01:25:17,194 --> 01:25:19,354
Speaker 4: Baker was burning it up at practice and just not

1868
01:25:19,434 --> 01:25:20,154
Speaker 4: getting a chance.

1869
01:25:20,274 --> 01:25:21,114
Speaker 3: No, I have no idea.

1870
01:25:21,274 --> 01:25:25,154
Speaker 4: Like Kayshawn Booty was inactive to start the year, now

1871
01:25:25,354 --> 01:25:31,314
Speaker 4: plays a regular significant role almost every every week if

1872
01:25:31,394 --> 01:25:33,834
Speaker 4: you're doing it on the practice field and you're earning

1873
01:25:33,914 --> 01:25:37,114
Speaker 4: playing time one, So is he the one guy that

1874
01:25:37,234 --> 01:25:40,354
Speaker 4: you just have something out they have something against, Like,

1875
01:25:40,474 --> 01:25:43,034
Speaker 4: I just can't imagine that he's doing all the things

1876
01:25:43,074 --> 01:25:44,754
Speaker 4: that he needs to do in practice and they're saying,

1877
01:25:44,794 --> 01:25:47,154
Speaker 4: you know what, I don't care you're playing well in practice,

1878
01:25:47,274 --> 01:25:47,994
Speaker 4: You're not gonna play.

1879
01:25:48,074 --> 01:25:49,954
Speaker 6: It's just part of where we're running out of people

1880
01:25:50,034 --> 01:25:51,274
Speaker 6: to turn to and those like.

1881
01:25:51,594 --> 01:25:54,234
Speaker 4: It's always the guy who I haven't seen him, So

1882
01:25:54,314 --> 01:25:57,034
Speaker 4: it's always the you know, just aren't those uncovered gem.

1883
01:25:57,274 --> 01:25:58,834
Speaker 10: Yeah, I don't necessarily.

1884
01:25:58,434 --> 01:26:01,274
Speaker 11: Think that Javon Baker has done anything to earn what

1885
01:26:01,394 --> 01:26:03,954
Speaker 11: I'm about to say. But Kaishan Bouti is out there

1886
01:26:04,034 --> 01:26:06,314
Speaker 11: running thirty four routes the most of any player on

1887
01:26:06,394 --> 01:26:09,194
Speaker 11: the team, and he is running sprints out there not

1888
01:26:09,314 --> 01:26:10,794
Speaker 11: getting open Like, oh.

1889
01:26:11,154 --> 01:26:15,114
Speaker 4: There's just absolutely whole different argument whether or no he.

1890
01:26:15,434 --> 01:26:18,874
Speaker 11: Ran thirty four routes, was targeted four times, caught one

1891
01:26:18,994 --> 01:26:21,514
Speaker 11: pass for six yards, and that's your starting X receiver

1892
01:26:22,514 --> 01:26:24,714
Speaker 11: right like that, that's the guy that plays the most

1893
01:26:24,794 --> 01:26:27,274
Speaker 11: snap on your team at that position.

1894
01:26:27,434 --> 01:26:30,154
Speaker 4: Don't misunderstand that comment that I just made with me

1895
01:26:30,274 --> 01:26:32,994
Speaker 4: saying I don't think Javon Baker should play well I

1896
01:26:33,074 --> 01:26:36,194
Speaker 4: am not at practice, And I look at it and say,

1897
01:26:36,674 --> 01:26:39,194
Speaker 4: kind of what the emailer said, like his point, and

1898
01:26:39,274 --> 01:26:41,594
Speaker 4: I'm not just turning this around. I'm just saying I

1899
01:26:41,754 --> 01:26:44,074
Speaker 4: can't think that he's doing great in practice. But at

1900
01:26:44,114 --> 01:26:46,594
Speaker 4: this point, I just wonder, well, what's the difference. What

1901
01:26:46,634 --> 01:26:47,754
Speaker 4: do you get to lose? Right?

1902
01:26:47,834 --> 01:26:49,794
Speaker 11: I mean, that's sort of my point that I'm getting

1903
01:26:49,834 --> 01:26:51,554
Speaker 11: at is like you might as well just see what

1904
01:26:51,674 --> 01:26:55,314
Speaker 11: Javon Baker has at this point, because Geijon Boodie is

1905
01:26:55,354 --> 01:26:57,954
Speaker 11: not doing anything to anymore. You know, you had a

1906
01:26:57,994 --> 01:27:01,274
Speaker 11: couple of nice plays that early on when Drake started,

1907
01:27:01,354 --> 01:27:05,034
Speaker 11: you know, in Jacksonville and the touchdown against Houston. But

1908
01:27:05,554 --> 01:27:08,114
Speaker 11: outside of those couple of plays, it really is just

1909
01:27:08,154 --> 01:27:08,994
Speaker 11: a whole lot of it.

1910
01:27:08,994 --> 01:27:10,874
Speaker 4: Seems like teams have sort of said that they're going

1911
01:27:10,954 --> 01:27:12,354
Speaker 4: to take a deep shot to him every once in

1912
01:27:12,394 --> 01:27:14,394
Speaker 4: a while, so you got you gotta watch him. Yeah,

1913
01:27:14,674 --> 01:27:17,074
Speaker 4: he has not created any separation on those Like on the.

1914
01:27:17,074 --> 01:27:19,234
Speaker 11: One deep shot they took to him, there's just no bucket,

1915
01:27:19,354 --> 01:27:22,274
Speaker 11: Like there's no place to put the ball on that

1916
01:27:22,434 --> 01:27:24,634
Speaker 11: throw for Drake, and so it's just some point you

1917
01:27:24,714 --> 01:27:26,354
Speaker 11: got to give some of the other guys a chance

1918
01:27:26,394 --> 01:27:26,714
Speaker 11: out there.

1919
01:27:28,194 --> 01:27:31,234
Speaker 3: Dan in Lynchburg writes in he says, I am not

1920
01:27:31,474 --> 01:27:34,274
Speaker 3: in the Belluminati, and I have no desire to even

1921
01:27:34,354 --> 01:27:37,514
Speaker 3: consider bringing him back. On the contrary, I don't think

1922
01:27:37,554 --> 01:27:40,554
Speaker 3: the team has distanced himself from him enough. I would

1923
01:27:40,594 --> 01:27:43,994
Speaker 3: agree with that Mayo hire was clearly intended to maintain

1924
01:27:44,074 --> 01:27:46,834
Speaker 3: consistency and, in my opinion, the legacy of the old

1925
01:27:46,914 --> 01:27:50,234
Speaker 3: Patriot way, But removing the architect of that old culture

1926
01:27:50,474 --> 01:27:54,034
Speaker 3: from the organization replacing him with an untested disciple of

1927
01:27:54,154 --> 01:27:56,634
Speaker 3: that old culture was not going to make enough of

1928
01:27:56,714 --> 01:27:59,834
Speaker 3: a difference. Case in point, many of the same coaches,

1929
01:27:59,954 --> 01:28:02,234
Speaker 3: especially on the defensive side of the ball, that were

1930
01:28:02,274 --> 01:28:04,554
Speaker 3: in place over the past few years when the team

1931
01:28:04,594 --> 01:28:08,514
Speaker 3: struggled mightily with penalties, discipline, etc. Are still here. A

1932
01:28:08,594 --> 01:28:11,994
Speaker 3: few were even promoted. Why would we expect any improvement

1933
01:28:12,034 --> 01:28:14,434
Speaker 3: to the team's lack of discipline on the field when

1934
01:28:14,474 --> 01:28:16,714
Speaker 3: the coaching staff is still largely the same as it's

1935
01:28:16,714 --> 01:28:19,354
Speaker 3: been the past few years. I like Jerad as a person,

1936
01:28:19,714 --> 01:28:21,674
Speaker 3: but I have not liked his hire from day one,

1937
01:28:22,074 --> 01:28:24,234
Speaker 3: and I hope there is a chance the ownership group

1938
01:28:24,314 --> 01:28:27,274
Speaker 3: reconsiders the direct to the team before too much time

1939
01:28:27,394 --> 01:28:30,674
Speaker 3: is wasted. And yes, obviously the roster is inadequate too.

1940
01:28:31,154 --> 01:28:33,114
Speaker 3: I just think coaching is an area that could have

1941
01:28:33,474 --> 01:28:35,594
Speaker 3: and should have been approved in twenty twenty four and

1942
01:28:35,874 --> 01:28:36,074
Speaker 3: was not.

1943
01:28:37,114 --> 01:28:38,594
Speaker 11: I think it's a tough thing to say that the

1944
01:28:38,674 --> 01:28:40,954
Speaker 11: coaching was going to get better in twenty twenty four,

1945
01:28:41,594 --> 01:28:43,354
Speaker 11: Like as much as we all thought it was time

1946
01:28:43,434 --> 01:28:45,594
Speaker 11: with Bill, to say that the coaching was going to

1947
01:28:45,674 --> 01:28:48,034
Speaker 11: get better with the first time head coach over the

1948
01:28:48,114 --> 01:28:51,274
Speaker 11: greatest coach of all time is a big stretch. I

1949
01:28:51,314 --> 01:28:53,394
Speaker 11: think what they were hoping was that it was going

1950
01:28:53,474 --> 01:28:55,714
Speaker 11: to be a different type of coaching in a different

1951
01:28:55,874 --> 01:28:59,514
Speaker 11: vibe here in the building, and then obviously, you know,

1952
01:28:59,714 --> 01:29:03,154
Speaker 11: upgrades personnel wise. I don't think anybody expected the coaching

1953
01:29:03,234 --> 01:29:06,434
Speaker 11: to be better from like a x's and o's perspective, And.

1954
01:29:06,554 --> 01:29:09,634
Speaker 6: I don't really fault Gerrod for trying to be like Bill.

1955
01:29:09,714 --> 01:29:12,114
Speaker 6: I think my biggest criticism is that they're still trying

1956
01:29:12,154 --> 01:29:14,274
Speaker 6: to run Bill's defense without Bill, and I don't and

1957
01:29:14,314 --> 01:29:17,474
Speaker 6: I think it's missing the key ingredient, which is Bill.

1958
01:29:17,634 --> 01:29:21,314
Speaker 4: Yeah, I was talking more about all the holdovers. But yeah, yeah,

1959
01:29:21,554 --> 01:29:22,914
Speaker 4: than what, Yeah, I agree with you.

1960
01:29:23,354 --> 01:29:25,714
Speaker 6: I don't think the program. They're not coming in and trying.

1961
01:29:25,754 --> 01:29:27,394
Speaker 6: I think that was some of the criticism for Josh

1962
01:29:27,474 --> 01:29:30,554
Speaker 6: when he was in Denver, you know, was it's gonna

1963
01:29:30,554 --> 01:29:32,234
Speaker 6: come in and try to be a you know, hard

1964
01:29:32,354 --> 01:29:34,114
Speaker 6: knows and you know, get guys to do stuff, and

1965
01:29:34,554 --> 01:29:36,114
Speaker 6: you know, I think Mayo has done his own thing.

1966
01:29:36,194 --> 01:29:39,874
Speaker 6: But I just it's it's hard. It's hard to extricate

1967
01:29:40,194 --> 01:29:43,394
Speaker 6: extricate yourself from Bill's system and everything that he did

1968
01:29:43,474 --> 01:29:46,754
Speaker 6: on defense, and I understand why they kept those guys around.

1969
01:29:46,834 --> 01:29:48,434
Speaker 6: But at the end of the day, I think what

1970
01:29:48,514 --> 01:29:51,034
Speaker 6: made that defense special was every week Bill decided what

1971
01:29:51,074 --> 01:29:53,034
Speaker 6: he wanted to do with it, and they had the

1972
01:29:53,114 --> 01:29:56,234
Speaker 6: pieces to do multiple different things and it was him

1973
01:29:56,314 --> 01:29:58,554
Speaker 6: that was able to do it. And now you see

1974
01:29:59,474 --> 01:30:01,514
Speaker 6: feels like you're kind of trying to do that with

1975
01:30:01,954 --> 01:30:03,954
Speaker 6: not the same kind of depth of knowledge that that

1976
01:30:04,034 --> 01:30:04,714
Speaker 6: Bill Belichick had.

1977
01:30:04,754 --> 01:30:05,394
Speaker 10: Yeah, I think you had to.

1978
01:30:05,594 --> 01:30:09,354
Speaker 11: You see it with individual players, especially Johnny deVie. I

1979
01:30:09,354 --> 01:30:12,074
Speaker 11: think has had a horrible year. Johnny Devies a much

1980
01:30:12,154 --> 01:30:14,994
Speaker 11: better football player than what he's shown. But I think

1981
01:30:15,074 --> 01:30:17,874
Speaker 11: Bill just had that magic dust of Okay, I know

1982
01:30:17,994 --> 01:30:20,954
Speaker 11: what this guy's weaknesses are. This is how we're going

1983
01:30:21,034 --> 01:30:23,354
Speaker 11: to keep him out of those positions, and we're only

1984
01:30:23,434 --> 01:30:25,794
Speaker 11: going to put him in positions to succeed. And so

1985
01:30:25,914 --> 01:30:27,914
Speaker 11: he's this like, you know, they I forget what they

1986
01:30:28,034 --> 01:30:31,514
Speaker 11: call it his role. I think adjuster is what they

1987
01:30:31,594 --> 01:30:33,354
Speaker 11: call it. And so it's like an on and off

1988
01:30:33,394 --> 01:30:35,914
Speaker 11: the line of scrimmage roll. But they're not having him

1989
01:30:36,274 --> 01:30:38,994
Speaker 11: drop in the middle of his own defense, you know, eight, ten,

1990
01:30:39,114 --> 01:30:41,474
Speaker 11: twelve yards off the ball, and then have to cover

1991
01:30:41,674 --> 01:30:44,594
Speaker 11: guys coming across the middle of the field under Belichick

1992
01:30:44,634 --> 01:30:46,674
Speaker 11: as much as they are now. And so you just

1993
01:30:46,714 --> 01:30:49,034
Speaker 11: see a lot of these individual guys, you know, to

1994
01:30:49,154 --> 01:30:53,514
Speaker 11: buy dugger, you know, those players Mapu like they just did.

1995
01:30:53,634 --> 01:30:56,874
Speaker 11: Those guys were these hybrid like tweener types that Bill

1996
01:30:56,994 --> 01:30:59,554
Speaker 11: just knew exactly how to use. And I just don't

1997
01:30:59,594 --> 01:31:02,394
Speaker 11: know if anybody else does besides him.

1998
01:31:02,354 --> 01:31:04,114
Speaker 6: And so that's what's kind of concerning me right now.

1999
01:31:04,314 --> 01:31:06,234
Speaker 6: I think I made the point last week about free

2000
01:31:06,274 --> 01:31:08,634
Speaker 6: agency this year, where they don't have a lot of

2001
01:31:08,674 --> 01:31:11,434
Speaker 6: players to sign, so they have money to spend on

2002
01:31:11,474 --> 01:31:13,154
Speaker 6: the outside. But I think the flip side of that

2003
01:31:13,274 --> 01:31:15,354
Speaker 6: coin that I've been kind of ruminating on is that

2004
01:31:16,234 --> 01:31:18,634
Speaker 6: this whole team's coming back next year, like and there's

2005
01:31:18,714 --> 01:31:21,674
Speaker 6: no easy cuts, Like there's a lot of guys who

2006
01:31:21,954 --> 01:31:24,714
Speaker 6: just got new contracts who are big dead money pieces.

2007
01:31:25,354 --> 01:31:28,034
Speaker 6: So on one hand, it's say, yeah, we got everybody,

2008
01:31:28,074 --> 01:31:30,834
Speaker 6: but I think they're gonna have some hard decisions in

2009
01:31:30,914 --> 01:31:33,234
Speaker 6: the other way next year, where I mean, I just

2010
01:31:33,314 --> 01:31:34,754
Speaker 6: I looked at the cab page and I'm like, so

2011
01:31:34,834 --> 01:31:38,194
Speaker 6: if you had to cut somebody, who would have there's

2012
01:31:38,274 --> 01:31:40,874
Speaker 6: nobody easy to cut next year, Like all these guys

2013
01:31:40,954 --> 01:31:43,234
Speaker 6: are still in the beginning of their deals that they retain.

2014
01:31:43,674 --> 01:31:46,594
Speaker 6: And I'd also say what I said to Evan most

2015
01:31:46,634 --> 01:31:49,834
Speaker 6: disappointing is these guys right almost to a man, except

2016
01:31:49,874 --> 01:31:52,034
Speaker 6: for Hunter Henry, and I'd argue maybe Anthony Jennings, so

2017
01:31:52,114 --> 01:31:53,674
Speaker 6: I think has been kind of similar to what he

2018
01:31:53,794 --> 01:31:56,554
Speaker 6: was last year. But everybody else that you signed up

2019
01:31:56,634 --> 01:31:59,354
Speaker 6: for has had a bad year, has had gone downhill

2020
01:31:59,394 --> 01:32:02,154
Speaker 6: this year. Nobody's improved. None of those guys that you

2021
01:32:02,554 --> 01:32:05,314
Speaker 6: signals as these are our captains, these are our future leaders.

2022
01:32:05,834 --> 01:32:07,874
Speaker 6: None of those guys have excelled this year. And that's

2023
01:32:08,074 --> 01:32:10,194
Speaker 6: that's scary. It's you know, how are we going to

2024
01:32:10,234 --> 01:32:10,994
Speaker 6: make a team next year?

2025
01:32:11,114 --> 01:32:12,514
Speaker 3: So let's go down that list.

2026
01:32:14,394 --> 01:32:23,073
Speaker 4: More bar more right, Peppers Peppers, Peppers to buy Steve Henry?

2027
01:32:24,394 --> 01:32:29,274
Speaker 4: When who born Stevenson. Mike's not wrong. Well, I would

2028
01:32:29,354 --> 01:32:33,193
Speaker 4: argue virtually every one of those guys, Henry was Henry,

2029
01:32:33,354 --> 01:32:34,874
Speaker 4: He's one, he is better.

2030
01:32:35,074 --> 01:32:37,674
Speaker 6: Henry is the one. And Jennings, I would say, and that,

2031
01:32:37,834 --> 01:32:39,954
Speaker 6: but that's but Jennings what he.

2032
01:32:40,074 --> 01:32:42,274
Speaker 10: Is, I mean, he's that's another one of those.

2033
01:32:42,314 --> 01:32:44,314
Speaker 4: He also didn't cost any money in fairness, you.

2034
01:32:44,354 --> 01:32:47,434
Speaker 11: Know, and I get it that they don't necessarily have

2035
01:32:47,594 --> 01:32:50,154
Speaker 11: like a great third down option to take him off

2036
01:32:50,234 --> 01:32:52,754
Speaker 11: the field. But Bill looked at Anthony Jennings was like,

2037
01:32:52,794 --> 01:32:54,874
Speaker 11: he's going to play first down and maybe second down,

2038
01:32:54,994 --> 01:32:57,114
Speaker 11: and then we're going to get our pass pressures on

2039
01:32:57,194 --> 01:33:01,234
Speaker 11: the field for third down. And now Jennings is like

2040
01:33:01,314 --> 01:33:03,794
Speaker 11: an every down player, but he's not an every down player.

2041
01:33:03,914 --> 01:33:06,114
Speaker 11: So it's a personnel issue. But I also think it's

2042
01:33:06,194 --> 01:33:08,514
Speaker 11: you know, you got to identify guys strengths and weaknesses

2043
01:33:08,594 --> 01:33:10,474
Speaker 11: and what they bring to the table. Outside of the

2044
01:33:10,514 --> 01:33:14,234
Speaker 11: Bears game, which everybody got pressure in, Anthony Jennings has

2045
01:33:14,274 --> 01:33:15,834
Speaker 11: not gotten any pressure on the quarterback.

2046
01:33:16,394 --> 01:33:23,234
Speaker 4: But like dugger Born, when who Tavi have been marketly

2047
01:33:24,034 --> 01:33:26,034
Speaker 4: lesser players than they were A no, but if you

2048
01:33:26,154 --> 01:33:27,914
Speaker 4: cut the vay, you're not that's not a lot of

2049
01:33:28,194 --> 01:33:29,474
Speaker 4: I'm not talking about the money.

2050
01:33:29,994 --> 01:33:31,594
Speaker 3: I don't know, but he said there's a lot of

2051
01:33:31,674 --> 01:33:32,154
Speaker 3: dead money.

2052
01:33:32,674 --> 01:33:35,714
Speaker 4: But but his Mike's point is you just signed all

2053
01:33:35,794 --> 01:33:38,434
Speaker 4: those guys, so now it's throwing good money after bad

2054
01:33:38,474 --> 01:33:41,794
Speaker 4: if you cut them. Well, I don't care about the

2055
01:33:41,914 --> 01:33:42,674
Speaker 4: cap as you know.

2056
01:33:42,834 --> 01:33:44,594
Speaker 3: I don't think cutting these guys is going.

2057
01:33:44,594 --> 01:33:47,514
Speaker 4: To kill you. Okay, Well, and I think nineteen million

2058
01:33:47,594 --> 01:33:49,874
Speaker 4: that you're rowing who was not going to help you.

2059
01:33:50,074 --> 01:33:53,354
Speaker 3: Yeah, I think this year, I think I get what

2060
01:33:53,434 --> 01:33:54,994
Speaker 3: they were trying to do. And I don't know that

2061
01:33:55,114 --> 01:33:57,194
Speaker 3: this is what this is just from the outside looking in.

2062
01:33:57,634 --> 01:33:59,674
Speaker 3: They were trying to he was trying to get his

2063
01:33:59,834 --> 01:34:02,834
Speaker 3: guys like we're going to extend you. You're going to

2064
01:34:02,874 --> 01:34:05,474
Speaker 3: be our guy, you know, And he was trying to keep,

2065
01:34:05,634 --> 01:34:08,314
Speaker 3: you know, get that locker room together, create his circle

2066
01:34:08,354 --> 01:34:12,474
Speaker 3: the wagon guys. And maybe maybe it's helped inside the

2067
01:34:12,554 --> 01:34:15,034
Speaker 3: locker room, but they're not performing on the field, like

2068
01:34:15,114 --> 01:34:17,394
Speaker 3: you said. And but I don't know if that was

2069
01:34:17,514 --> 01:34:21,354
Speaker 3: like that's sole reason why these guys were signed. You know,

2070
01:34:21,474 --> 01:34:25,114
Speaker 3: I think that this was a rebuilding year and next

2071
01:34:25,394 --> 01:34:28,234
Speaker 3: year when you have the if they're back, you're going

2072
01:34:28,274 --> 01:34:30,234
Speaker 3: to have other guys around them that are going to

2073
01:34:30,274 --> 01:34:33,714
Speaker 3: pick up the slack and and make them better. But

2074
01:34:34,314 --> 01:34:36,434
Speaker 3: these aren't the guys that make other people better.

2075
01:34:36,994 --> 01:34:38,314
Speaker 6: And that's what's disappointing.

2076
01:34:38,354 --> 01:34:39,514
Speaker 4: I think, you know, but I.

2077
01:34:39,514 --> 01:34:40,834
Speaker 3: Don't think that that was the intention.

2078
01:34:41,274 --> 01:34:43,234
Speaker 4: It's just me looking on the outside, But I mean,

2079
01:34:44,794 --> 01:34:46,874
Speaker 4: what what Mike is talking about is the reason I

2080
01:34:47,034 --> 01:34:52,194
Speaker 4: was so antick. I kept saying, running it back on

2081
01:34:52,274 --> 01:34:53,354
Speaker 4: a four and thirteen.

2082
01:34:53,034 --> 01:34:54,874
Speaker 3: Teams, but you had to have you had to you

2083
01:34:54,914 --> 01:34:56,194
Speaker 3: had to feel the team this year.

2084
01:34:56,754 --> 01:34:58,354
Speaker 4: Yeah, I know, but you didn't have to feel it

2085
01:34:58,434 --> 01:35:00,114
Speaker 4: with the same guys you fielded with last year.

2086
01:35:00,314 --> 01:35:00,514
Speaker 13: Yeah.

2087
01:35:00,834 --> 01:35:02,154
Speaker 4: I mean you basically changed the course.

2088
01:35:02,474 --> 01:35:04,554
Speaker 3: But when you come in with a new regime, you're

2089
01:35:04,674 --> 01:35:07,514
Speaker 3: behind the eight ball. And so I just I think

2090
01:35:07,594 --> 01:35:10,114
Speaker 3: time was against them. I think they just they needed

2091
01:35:10,154 --> 01:35:10,794
Speaker 3: to feel the team.

2092
01:35:10,794 --> 01:35:12,674
Speaker 4: Shouldn't have been behind the eight ball. I mean it

2093
01:35:12,834 --> 01:35:15,274
Speaker 4: was well orchestrated ahead of time.

2094
01:35:15,434 --> 01:35:15,634
Speaker 13: Yeah.

2095
01:35:15,954 --> 01:35:19,514
Speaker 10: I just wonder like, what is like, what is their

2096
01:35:19,634 --> 01:35:20,274
Speaker 10: type of player?

2097
01:35:20,394 --> 01:35:20,514
Speaker 3: Now?

2098
01:35:20,674 --> 01:35:22,514
Speaker 11: I think That's the part that worries me the most

2099
01:35:22,634 --> 01:35:26,554
Speaker 11: is because this regime we all kind of agree, is

2100
01:35:26,634 --> 01:35:29,154
Speaker 11: going to have another shot at this offseason. So they're

2101
01:35:29,154 --> 01:35:31,874
Speaker 11: gonna have one hundred and thirty million dollars in cap space,

2102
01:35:31,954 --> 01:35:33,834
Speaker 11: the most in the league to go out there and

2103
01:35:33,954 --> 01:35:35,794
Speaker 11: spend a bunch of cash. Not going to use the

2104
01:35:35,794 --> 01:35:38,514
Speaker 11: phrase spend a bunch of cash. Yeah, And so you

2105
01:35:38,634 --> 01:35:41,154
Speaker 11: have one hundred and thirty million dollars, like what is

2106
01:35:41,594 --> 01:35:47,194
Speaker 11: a defensive end in Gerardmeo and DeMarcus Covington's scheme because

2107
01:35:47,234 --> 01:35:48,234
Speaker 11: the defense Bill for.

2108
01:35:48,314 --> 01:35:48,834
Speaker 10: Better or Worse?

2109
01:35:48,914 --> 01:35:51,714
Speaker 11: Bill had his types right, so like he was six,

2110
01:35:52,354 --> 01:35:54,114
Speaker 11: so he knew who he was going to go after.

2111
01:35:54,154 --> 01:35:59,834
Speaker 6: Twenty six year old mermaid what was twenty four year

2112
01:35:59,834 --> 01:36:03,674
Speaker 6: old mermaids? But you're part of the problem to Evan,

2113
01:36:03,754 --> 01:36:06,234
Speaker 6: I feel like, is that these guys all fit that system.

2114
01:36:06,314 --> 01:36:08,394
Speaker 6: And now it's like, well, how many of these three

2115
01:36:08,474 --> 01:36:11,394
Speaker 6: year contract guys that they resigned aren't quite don't aren't

2116
01:36:11,434 --> 01:36:16,554
Speaker 6: quite schematic fits right now? Yeah, Stevenson, when you maybe

2117
01:36:16,634 --> 01:36:17,554
Speaker 6: kind of dugger.

2118
01:36:17,354 --> 01:36:19,354
Speaker 11: I mean we've been pounding the table about those two

2119
01:36:19,394 --> 01:36:23,794
Speaker 11: guys since they they resigned them, and you know about

2120
01:36:23,834 --> 01:36:25,594
Speaker 11: the scheme fit and all that kind of stuff. Now,

2121
01:36:25,634 --> 01:36:27,394
Speaker 11: I thought on one who played really well in this game.

2122
01:36:27,434 --> 01:36:29,194
Speaker 11: I thought it was probably one of his better games.

2123
01:36:29,514 --> 01:36:31,994
Speaker 11: So maybe he's settling back in now that he's playing

2124
01:36:32,074 --> 01:36:35,674
Speaker 11: guard full time again. But I just I look at

2125
01:36:35,714 --> 01:36:37,994
Speaker 11: all these guys and it's like, Okay, well, if you're

2126
01:36:37,994 --> 01:36:40,154
Speaker 11: going to be an outside zone team, then don't you

2127
01:36:40,194 --> 01:36:43,634
Speaker 11: need athletic cole strange type of offensive lineman.

2128
01:36:43,754 --> 01:36:44,554
Speaker 3: He's coming back.

2129
01:36:44,794 --> 01:36:47,914
Speaker 4: He's coming back just in time to have a decision

2130
01:36:47,914 --> 01:36:49,074
Speaker 4: to make on his fifty year option.

2131
01:36:49,274 --> 01:36:51,954
Speaker 11: But then start drafting those types of guys because in

2132
01:36:52,034 --> 01:36:55,274
Speaker 11: the draft they drafted Kiden Wallace and Laden Robinson, who

2133
01:36:55,354 --> 01:37:00,754
Speaker 11: are not slender, athletic, you know, great moving offensive lineman,

2134
01:37:00,874 --> 01:37:03,714
Speaker 11: so that those guys were drafted to play in a

2135
01:37:03,794 --> 01:37:06,994
Speaker 11: gap scheme, right, but you're running a wide zone scheme.

2136
01:37:07,154 --> 01:37:08,834
Speaker 6: That's why I feel like this year with the defense,

2137
01:37:08,914 --> 01:37:10,914
Speaker 6: like you have to recommit. And I don't know, maybe

2138
01:37:10,994 --> 01:37:14,114
Speaker 6: No Sucks was talking about this today where their defense

2139
01:37:14,114 --> 01:37:16,994
Speaker 6: has kind of become a jack of I mean, try

2140
01:37:17,034 --> 01:37:18,714
Speaker 6: to be a jack of all trades master or um,

2141
01:37:18,754 --> 01:37:21,634
Speaker 6: where they have to recommit to like what is your

2142
01:37:21,714 --> 01:37:26,034
Speaker 6: base defense look like to your point ev conversation is event, Tommy,

2143
01:37:26,674 --> 01:37:28,474
Speaker 6: who is the you know what is are we going

2144
01:37:28,554 --> 01:37:31,354
Speaker 6: to just get an up the field right defensive end

2145
01:37:31,394 --> 01:37:32,274
Speaker 6: that just go get the court?

2146
01:37:32,354 --> 01:37:33,674
Speaker 4: Like do you switch to that?

2147
01:37:33,794 --> 01:37:34,594
Speaker 6: It's easier to coach.

2148
01:37:34,674 --> 01:37:36,514
Speaker 4: But his point is a good one, like what is

2149
01:37:36,674 --> 01:37:40,474
Speaker 4: their prototype for all these different spots? Like we kind

2150
01:37:40,474 --> 01:37:43,674
Speaker 4: of knew it from Bill because of twenty plus years. Yeah, yeah,

2151
01:37:43,794 --> 01:37:46,314
Speaker 4: you know the you know Phil Perry's prototypical Patriots.

2152
01:37:46,434 --> 01:37:49,994
Speaker 11: You had measurables and I thought they drafted outside of Drake.

2153
01:37:50,034 --> 01:37:50,194
Speaker 10: Who.

2154
01:37:50,314 --> 01:37:53,394
Speaker 11: I don't know if Bill would have drafted Drake. I

2155
01:37:53,674 --> 01:37:55,594
Speaker 11: feel like that's everybody's million dollar question.

2156
01:37:55,634 --> 01:37:56,434
Speaker 4: I don't think he would have.

2157
01:37:56,674 --> 01:37:58,874
Speaker 10: Yeah, just because of the raw the raw tools.

2158
01:37:58,914 --> 01:38:04,314
Speaker 11: But Jalen Polk, Leyden Robinson, Cayden Wallace, like those all

2159
01:38:04,434 --> 01:38:07,914
Speaker 11: felt like the same scout that they have been doing.

2160
01:38:07,994 --> 01:38:10,234
Speaker 11: Like they drafted Jalen Polk because he was supposed to

2161
01:38:10,274 --> 01:38:14,514
Speaker 11: be this reliable, steady block blocking you know.

2162
01:38:14,674 --> 01:38:16,154
Speaker 4: All that flashy fancy get right.

2163
01:38:16,314 --> 01:38:17,954
Speaker 10: You know, I'm not Lad McConkey.

2164
01:38:18,274 --> 01:38:21,794
Speaker 4: We'll take the flashy fancy guy who's damaged goods in

2165
01:38:21,874 --> 01:38:24,954
Speaker 4: the fourth round. You know who's got right? Some people

2166
01:38:24,994 --> 01:38:26,914
Speaker 4: have had flags on them, so we can get them

2167
01:38:26,954 --> 01:38:30,634
Speaker 4: for a lesser value. Yeah. Yeah, to Evan's point, that's

2168
01:38:30,794 --> 01:38:32,114
Speaker 4: kind of the way we used to do things.

2169
01:38:32,354 --> 01:38:37,634
Speaker 3: Yeah, JACKI and Abba. Last Thursday, Fred confidently declared that

2170
01:38:37,754 --> 01:38:40,274
Speaker 3: the lack of the week was that the Colts would

2171
01:38:40,274 --> 01:38:42,154
Speaker 3: beat the seven and a half points spread against the

2172
01:38:42,194 --> 01:38:45,354
Speaker 3: favorite Lions in Indianapolis on Sunday. The Lions held the

2173
01:38:45,434 --> 01:38:47,874
Speaker 3: Coats to two Measley field goals on their way to

2174
01:38:47,954 --> 01:38:50,754
Speaker 3: a twenty four to sixth victory. What sayest thou, now,

2175
01:38:50,954 --> 01:38:54,074
Speaker 3: sir Fred, I would say, look at that score. I

2176
01:38:54,474 --> 01:38:58,274
Speaker 3: was onto something. The Lions only scored twenty four points.

2177
01:38:58,434 --> 01:39:00,314
Speaker 3: They've been pasting people.

2178
01:39:00,394 --> 01:39:02,274
Speaker 4: I know. But it's not like you came close to

2179
01:39:02,354 --> 01:39:02,994
Speaker 4: covering the spread.

2180
01:39:03,034 --> 01:39:05,314
Speaker 3: No, but they if the Colts that could have done

2181
01:39:05,674 --> 01:39:08,994
Speaker 3: at least something on offense, they would have covered that spread.

2182
01:39:09,154 --> 01:39:10,714
Speaker 4: Do you think maybe Detroit might have done more on

2183
01:39:10,794 --> 01:39:11,634
Speaker 4: offense if they had to.

2184
01:39:11,954 --> 01:39:14,954
Speaker 3: Nope. They love running it up, you know, they know.

2185
01:39:15,114 --> 01:39:17,074
Speaker 4: I'm just saying if they could have run it up,

2186
01:39:17,114 --> 01:39:19,914
Speaker 4: they would have. I would agree with you. I think

2187
01:39:19,954 --> 01:39:21,594
Speaker 4: that they've been on a mission to run it up.

2188
01:39:21,714 --> 01:39:21,874
Speaker 3: Yep.

2189
01:39:22,914 --> 01:39:24,714
Speaker 4: But the game wasn't really close on paper.

2190
01:39:24,874 --> 01:39:26,394
Speaker 3: But that was that was a weird game.

2191
01:39:26,554 --> 01:39:28,714
Speaker 4: It was like a three hundred and eighty to one

2192
01:39:29,154 --> 01:39:30,514
Speaker 4: and fifty kind of totally.

2193
01:39:30,794 --> 01:39:32,514
Speaker 3: I'm not going to be all right. So I'm fourteen

2194
01:39:32,554 --> 01:39:33,994
Speaker 3: and one, so I'm not going to be right.

2195
01:39:34,154 --> 01:39:36,034
Speaker 4: I just wanted you to admit that you had one loss.

2196
01:39:36,074 --> 01:39:37,434
Speaker 4: That's all I was looking for. Thank you.

2197
01:39:37,674 --> 01:39:38,554
Speaker 3: I was onto something.

2198
01:39:38,914 --> 01:39:39,194
Speaker 4: All right.

2199
01:39:39,234 --> 01:39:41,474
Speaker 3: Let's go back to the TPX hotline eight five to

2200
01:39:41,514 --> 01:39:45,554
Speaker 3: five pass five hundred Eddie in LA. What's up? Eddie?

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01:39:46,874 --> 01:39:47,514
Speaker 13: Hey, what's up?

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01:39:47,554 --> 01:39:47,794
Speaker 7: Guys?

2203
01:39:49,114 --> 01:39:50,074
Speaker 3: Thanks for holding listen.

2204
01:39:50,154 --> 01:39:52,594
Speaker 8: I got a three part trivia question to ask.

2205
01:39:52,834 --> 01:39:55,594
Speaker 14: But I do want to defense like it.

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01:39:56,274 --> 01:39:58,874
Speaker 8: He did draft positions as need and then he tried

2207
01:39:58,954 --> 01:40:02,314
Speaker 8: to upgrade the receiver position, and when he resigned our

2208
01:40:02,354 --> 01:40:03,914
Speaker 8: own players, we were kind of good with.

2209
01:40:04,074 --> 01:40:05,594
Speaker 4: It back then, Paul wasn't.

2210
01:40:05,674 --> 01:40:08,274
Speaker 8: So just a little defense of Elliot Woolf.

2211
01:40:08,474 --> 01:40:12,514
Speaker 4: Yeah, and no one's criticizing that the draft picks by position.

2212
01:40:15,234 --> 01:40:18,234
Speaker 4: Some people have been critical of the individual that they chose.

2213
01:40:18,474 --> 01:40:21,354
Speaker 11: Yeah, I mean at the time when they drafted Jalen Polk,

2214
01:40:21,714 --> 01:40:24,474
Speaker 11: both Duce and I are kind of subdued reaction. I

2215
01:40:24,514 --> 01:40:27,154
Speaker 11: remember us talking about it the next day, being like

2216
01:40:27,234 --> 01:40:28,394
Speaker 11: I feel like you guys.

2217
01:40:28,234 --> 01:40:30,154
Speaker 4: Talked yourselves into it. You didn't love it at the time.

2218
01:40:30,234 --> 01:40:32,074
Speaker 11: Yeah, I feel like we kind of were a little

2219
01:40:32,114 --> 01:40:33,714
Speaker 11: hard on the Jalen Polk pick.

2220
01:40:33,794 --> 01:40:36,114
Speaker 10: But it just I didn't expect him to be like this.

2221
01:40:36,354 --> 01:40:36,554
Speaker 2: I did.

2222
01:40:36,674 --> 01:40:38,474
Speaker 4: I didn't either. No, Dad didn't love the pick, but

2223
01:40:38,514 --> 01:40:40,234
Speaker 4: I didn't expect that. But I you know, I just

2224
01:40:40,914 --> 01:40:43,034
Speaker 4: I just didn't think this is weird. But I mean,

2225
01:40:43,274 --> 01:40:46,874
Speaker 4: you know, Eddie, there were some wide receivers available in

2226
01:40:46,994 --> 01:40:49,354
Speaker 4: that area that they could have had that you know,

2227
01:40:49,514 --> 01:40:52,954
Speaker 4: some of them. Yeah, So no one's criticizing that he

2228
01:40:53,074 --> 01:40:55,474
Speaker 4: had to pick players at positions because he did.

2229
01:40:56,674 --> 01:40:58,354
Speaker 6: That was what he needed. That's what I mean going

2230
01:40:58,394 --> 01:40:59,674
Speaker 6: into that draft that we said they're going to go

2231
01:40:59,794 --> 01:41:01,634
Speaker 6: QB wide receiver, ol like they.

2232
01:41:01,554 --> 01:41:03,794
Speaker 4: Needed to tackle. I just didn't want Kayden Wallace in

2233
01:41:03,834 --> 01:41:06,674
Speaker 4: the third round. I wanted a tackle glaring.

2234
01:41:06,514 --> 01:41:08,394
Speaker 8: Stake was not addressing left tackle.

2235
01:41:08,474 --> 01:41:10,194
Speaker 14: That was obviously a glaring mistake.

2236
01:41:10,314 --> 01:41:11,834
Speaker 3: Ye, thank you.

2237
01:41:13,394 --> 01:41:15,034
Speaker 15: Oh called back.

2238
01:41:15,114 --> 01:41:17,234
Speaker 4: I need that. I need that like I need air.

2239
01:41:17,594 --> 01:41:20,034
Speaker 4: I need that three thing, like I need that three

2240
01:41:20,074 --> 01:41:20,994
Speaker 4: part trivia question.

2241
01:41:21,154 --> 01:41:23,914
Speaker 3: Eddie, Please call back finger quick finger. We got time

2242
01:41:24,594 --> 01:41:26,514
Speaker 3: Kendalls in North Carolina what's up, Kendall?

2243
01:41:27,754 --> 01:41:28,914
Speaker 5: Okay, how you guys doing.

2244
01:41:29,274 --> 01:41:32,994
Speaker 14: Hey Kennel, Hey, I got a question.

2245
01:41:33,274 --> 01:41:35,474
Speaker 5: Looking at the matchup for some that you with the Coats,

2246
01:41:35,874 --> 01:41:38,034
Speaker 5: how you think we match up with these big wide receivers.

2247
01:41:38,034 --> 01:41:39,714
Speaker 5: I know Josh down is probably going to be out.

2248
01:41:39,714 --> 01:41:42,994
Speaker 5: I think report report that. So you got Alex Pearce,

2249
01:41:42,994 --> 01:41:45,434
Speaker 5: Michael Pittman, and A D. Mintchell. That's my first question.

2250
01:41:45,554 --> 01:41:47,594
Speaker 5: How you think we match up there? You know last

2251
01:41:47,634 --> 01:41:49,954
Speaker 5: weekend was a speed matchup, but this week I'm not

2252
01:41:49,954 --> 01:41:51,434
Speaker 5: gonna say slower the Stivers, but it.

2253
01:41:51,474 --> 01:41:54,394
Speaker 4: Definitely bigger, bigger guys.

2254
01:41:54,914 --> 01:41:55,154
Speaker 14: Yeah.

2255
01:41:55,554 --> 01:41:55,754
Speaker 15: Yeah.

2256
01:41:55,954 --> 01:41:59,914
Speaker 5: My second question is have y'all well just remains for Evan,

2257
01:41:59,994 --> 01:42:01,434
Speaker 5: but y'all all y'all can answer.

2258
01:42:01,874 --> 01:42:02,514
Speaker 8: Have you seen.

2259
01:42:02,314 --> 01:42:05,394
Speaker 5: Anythings from ad menteal with the Coats that send it on?

2260
01:42:05,914 --> 01:42:08,114
Speaker 5: Have you said anything that that that tell you that

2261
01:42:08,714 --> 01:42:09,994
Speaker 5: he would have been a better fit here with the

2262
01:42:10,034 --> 01:42:11,914
Speaker 5: Patriots over the Jalem Pope? Thanks?

2263
01:42:13,234 --> 01:42:13,354
Speaker 6: Uh?

2264
01:42:13,514 --> 01:42:16,794
Speaker 11: Yeah, you know, I'm actually less concerned about the receivers

2265
01:42:16,834 --> 01:42:18,954
Speaker 11: and more concerned about their run game, to be honest

2266
01:42:19,034 --> 01:42:22,234
Speaker 11: with you, because Richards, Yeah, you know, you start looking

2267
01:42:22,314 --> 01:42:23,914
Speaker 11: at some of the things that they do in their

2268
01:42:23,954 --> 01:42:27,714
Speaker 11: run game with their option package. It's pretty it's pretty

2269
01:42:27,754 --> 01:42:31,274
Speaker 11: good stuff, you know. They they ran against the chests.

2270
01:42:31,274 --> 01:42:33,554
Speaker 11: They ran like a triple option, like an actual triple

2271
01:42:33,594 --> 01:42:36,074
Speaker 11: option where they had three options for him to go

2272
01:42:36,234 --> 01:42:38,314
Speaker 11: to on one play, and he actually, I think he

2273
01:42:38,394 --> 01:42:40,594
Speaker 11: flipped it to Downs like down the field. It was

2274
01:42:40,674 --> 01:42:42,594
Speaker 11: like ten yards down the field already and then he

2275
01:42:42,914 --> 01:42:45,114
Speaker 11: pitched it to Downs and and he got, you know,

2276
01:42:45,154 --> 01:42:47,234
Speaker 11: an extra fifteen to twenty yards off of it. So

2277
01:42:47,634 --> 01:42:49,514
Speaker 11: I just look at the way that they you know,

2278
01:42:49,674 --> 01:42:52,954
Speaker 11: read option RPO like those types of designs. But the

2279
01:42:53,154 --> 01:42:55,954
Speaker 11: way the Patriots middle of the field guys just can't

2280
01:42:56,074 --> 01:42:59,153
Speaker 11: keep their eyes on their heads straight that that concerns

2281
01:42:59,234 --> 01:43:01,474
Speaker 11: me more than them throwing jump balls to Michael Pittman

2282
01:43:01,514 --> 01:43:02,234
Speaker 11: and Ady Mitchell.

2283
01:43:02,274 --> 01:43:05,394
Speaker 3: And to be in today's NFL to be less than

2284
01:43:05,474 --> 01:43:07,834
Speaker 3: fifty percent in your completions.

2285
01:43:07,914 --> 01:43:10,394
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm a little worried about Pierce only because not

2286
01:43:10,514 --> 01:43:13,154
Speaker 4: because I think he's gonna catch five or six passes.

2287
01:43:13,194 --> 01:43:15,994
Speaker 4: He might, he might catch two. Yeah, and he's been

2288
01:43:15,994 --> 01:43:19,514
Speaker 4: a disappointment in fairness, all right, but big play guy.

2289
01:43:19,634 --> 01:43:23,354
Speaker 4: He averages over twenty yards to catch and all it

2290
01:43:23,434 --> 01:43:25,634
Speaker 4: takes is one. You don't have to go five for

2291
01:43:25,794 --> 01:43:27,634
Speaker 4: five with him. You just go one for five and

2292
01:43:27,674 --> 01:43:30,354
Speaker 4: you have one of them is a sixty five yard touchdown.

2293
01:43:30,634 --> 01:43:31,834
Speaker 6: It's got to be on their mind, though. We get

2294
01:43:31,874 --> 01:43:34,194
Speaker 6: Marcus Jones trying to get them matched up downfield, take

2295
01:43:34,194 --> 01:43:35,714
Speaker 6: a shot on them. It's five eight.

2296
01:43:35,794 --> 01:43:38,274
Speaker 4: I mean, Gonzales is the only one that would feel good.

2297
01:43:38,354 --> 01:43:41,354
Speaker 4: But the size, because because Gonzo is big enough for

2298
01:43:41,554 --> 01:43:42,474
Speaker 4: either one of those guys.

2299
01:43:43,034 --> 01:43:44,754
Speaker 10: I would say we could see Alex Austin.

2300
01:43:44,794 --> 01:43:45,154
Speaker 6: We didn't.

2301
01:43:45,274 --> 01:43:48,153
Speaker 11: We didn't see him last week because of the matchup,

2302
01:43:48,914 --> 01:43:51,634
Speaker 11: but this week, especially if Josh Downs doesn't.

2303
01:43:51,434 --> 01:43:52,874
Speaker 4: Play, which it looks like he's not.

2304
01:43:53,114 --> 01:43:53,914
Speaker 10: Yeah, it feels like.

2305
01:43:54,074 --> 01:43:56,794
Speaker 11: Maybe this isn't quite as much of a Marcus Jones

2306
01:43:57,274 --> 01:43:59,234
Speaker 11: type of game because of the size of those receivers.

2307
01:43:59,274 --> 01:44:01,914
Speaker 4: And Mitchell's been okay, you know, he's clearly the fourth guy,

2308
01:44:01,954 --> 01:44:03,834
Speaker 4: which again with twenty catches, Yeah, something like that.

2309
01:44:03,954 --> 01:44:05,154
Speaker 6: So I got a touchdown.

2310
01:44:05,354 --> 01:44:07,874
Speaker 11: It's so hard to tell, like you know, to answer

2311
01:44:07,954 --> 01:44:11,034
Speaker 11: the question, uh, you know here he to get so

2312
01:44:11,114 --> 01:44:13,594
Speaker 11: much more opportunity, So it's hard to say.

2313
01:44:13,994 --> 01:44:16,514
Speaker 4: I heard someone say, you know, like give Jalen Polk

2314
01:44:16,674 --> 01:44:20,474
Speaker 4: some some rope here, you know, like Julian Edelman didn't

2315
01:44:20,554 --> 01:44:21,154
Speaker 4: hit right away.

2316
01:44:22,274 --> 01:44:23,113
Speaker 3: First of a quarterback.

2317
01:44:23,354 --> 01:44:26,914
Speaker 4: Julian Edelman was a quarterback, seventh round pick, seventh round who,

2318
01:44:26,954 --> 01:44:29,634
Speaker 4: by the way, caught forty some odd passes his rookie year,

2319
01:44:30,434 --> 01:44:35,114
Speaker 4: but also was joining a team that had welcome Andy

2320
01:44:35,194 --> 01:44:38,354
Speaker 4: Moss and you know, and Moss like, you can't just

2321
01:44:39,154 --> 01:44:41,954
Speaker 4: that's not the same thing. Now, Julian Edelman did not

2322
01:44:42,154 --> 01:44:45,434
Speaker 4: come on to this as a starter in week one,

2323
01:44:46,234 --> 01:44:48,714
Speaker 4: with all the opportunities that he was given that Polk

2324
01:44:48,874 --> 01:44:51,154
Speaker 4: was given. I don't think it's an apples to apples comparison.

2325
01:44:51,394 --> 01:44:53,474
Speaker 3: Eddie's back on the line. Sorry about that, Eddie. Go

2326
01:44:53,514 --> 01:44:54,554
Speaker 3: ahead with your number two.

2327
01:44:55,954 --> 01:44:59,434
Speaker 8: Oh yeah, my trivia question. It's a three pot question

2328
01:44:59,594 --> 01:45:03,274
Speaker 8: nineteen eighty five. Oh, I'm pretty sure Paul's going to

2329
01:45:03,354 --> 01:45:03,674
Speaker 8: nail it.

2330
01:45:03,754 --> 01:45:04,794
Speaker 4: But it's a lot of pressure.

2331
01:45:04,834 --> 01:45:07,114
Speaker 8: Who was the opponent of the last game of the

2332
01:45:07,194 --> 01:45:08,354
Speaker 8: year when that got us.

2333
01:45:08,314 --> 01:45:10,794
Speaker 4: The wild card spot Cincinnati?

2334
01:45:11,914 --> 01:45:12,354
Speaker 13: Of course?

2335
01:45:12,794 --> 01:45:13,114
Speaker 3: All right?

2336
01:45:13,194 --> 01:45:16,754
Speaker 8: The fourth in one play and player that stealed.

2337
01:45:16,474 --> 01:45:20,434
Speaker 4: The game, Robert Weathers down the sideline, touched him.

2338
01:45:20,354 --> 01:45:24,234
Speaker 10: On, challenge him a little bit, all right?

2339
01:45:24,354 --> 01:45:25,994
Speaker 4: And his number twenty four?

2340
01:45:26,914 --> 01:45:28,914
Speaker 8: All right? I Paul would yellis.

2341
01:45:31,314 --> 01:45:32,674
Speaker 4: Paul I feel so much better.

2342
01:45:32,754 --> 01:45:35,314
Speaker 10: All right, thank you, I feel we appreciate the call.

2343
01:45:35,434 --> 01:45:35,994
Speaker 3: But now.

2344
01:45:37,874 --> 01:45:41,034
Speaker 4: Paul, well he had already called me with that question.

2345
01:45:41,834 --> 01:45:44,554
Speaker 10: No did I take this, sir?

2346
01:45:45,314 --> 01:45:47,514
Speaker 3: Eldred in North Carolina? What's up? Eldred?

2347
01:45:48,474 --> 01:45:49,914
Speaker 13: Hey, fella, hell y'all doing today?

2348
01:45:49,954 --> 01:45:50,314
Speaker 3: All right?

2349
01:45:52,394 --> 01:45:57,034
Speaker 13: I'm just like everybody else and Eddie, I'm gonna disagree

2350
01:45:57,074 --> 01:45:59,714
Speaker 13: with you, bit bro. Aighty Mitch will been a hell

2351
01:45:59,794 --> 01:46:02,714
Speaker 13: a lot better than what we got with Pope h

2352
01:46:03,194 --> 01:46:05,314
Speaker 13: he a thriving, thriving.

2353
01:46:05,034 --> 01:46:06,194
Speaker 14: That much with Richardson.

2354
01:46:07,034 --> 01:46:10,354
Speaker 13: But when Flacke was in there, he did and he'd

2355
01:46:10,394 --> 01:46:11,034
Speaker 13: like the heap.

2356
01:46:10,874 --> 01:46:11,474
Speaker 3: Been I X.

2357
01:46:12,034 --> 01:46:16,114
Speaker 13: But that's that down on that question for Evan. Yes, sir,

2358
01:46:17,314 --> 01:46:19,474
Speaker 13: I know you said like we should try everybody or

2359
01:46:19,634 --> 01:46:23,674
Speaker 13: anybody from right now. So what about just John Jiles

2360
01:46:23,754 --> 01:46:26,994
Speaker 13: on the practice squad six three? You say, I think

2361
01:46:27,034 --> 01:46:30,874
Speaker 13: you said he was like another speed but he got

2362
01:46:31,034 --> 01:46:34,354
Speaker 13: more catches I know, just in college today pro but

2363
01:46:35,354 --> 01:46:37,754
Speaker 13: anybody better than what we got now as received?

2364
01:46:39,194 --> 01:46:39,714
Speaker 3: What are you think?

2365
01:46:40,634 --> 01:46:40,874
Speaker 4: Yeah?

2366
01:46:41,194 --> 01:46:43,954
Speaker 11: So you know, he to me is like a perfect

2367
01:46:43,994 --> 01:46:47,194
Speaker 11: scout team receiver because he's got a really good mold

2368
01:46:47,234 --> 01:46:49,274
Speaker 11: of like size and speed. So if you're trying to

2369
01:46:49,354 --> 01:46:51,794
Speaker 11: mimic guys that have those types of traits, Like that's

2370
01:46:51,874 --> 01:46:54,914
Speaker 11: why you keep guys like John Giles around. I don't

2371
01:46:54,914 --> 01:47:00,394
Speaker 11: think they have any holds, any plans, just like football instincts,

2372
01:47:00,474 --> 01:47:03,754
Speaker 11: hands like good, you know, like the actual like details

2373
01:47:03,834 --> 01:47:04,874
Speaker 11: of playing the position.

2374
01:47:05,394 --> 01:47:06,514
Speaker 10: Good, great athlete.

2375
01:47:06,714 --> 01:47:08,554
Speaker 11: Like I'm not trying to rail on the guy, But

2376
01:47:09,514 --> 01:47:12,314
Speaker 11: that's why those guys they make out really good scout

2377
01:47:12,394 --> 01:47:15,114
Speaker 11: team players because they can mimic guys like that, but

2378
01:47:15,194 --> 01:47:16,994
Speaker 11: they're not quite you know, those types of.

2379
01:47:17,154 --> 01:47:19,234
Speaker 4: I said, we go with the all practice squad team

2380
01:47:19,314 --> 01:47:26,994
Speaker 4: this week, you know, Caleb Jones, John Giles, Ken Giles.

2381
01:47:27,314 --> 01:47:28,114
Speaker 6: Something like.

2382
01:47:28,434 --> 01:47:30,994
Speaker 11: I think Trent Brown is like a little bit bigger

2383
01:47:31,114 --> 01:47:34,794
Speaker 11: than Caleb Jones was like wider and just like more.

2384
01:47:35,474 --> 01:47:37,954
Speaker 6: Uh. It looks hard, but it's hard to be that big,

2385
01:47:38,154 --> 01:47:40,674
Speaker 6: like just lugging your whole like he's just it takes

2386
01:47:40,714 --> 01:47:42,354
Speaker 6: a lot to move when you're six nine.

2387
01:47:42,754 --> 01:47:44,994
Speaker 3: Uh, Danny's in Daytona Beach.

2388
01:47:45,154 --> 01:47:46,394
Speaker 4: What's up, Danny, Daytona?

2389
01:47:47,354 --> 01:47:53,074
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, hello Danny.

2390
01:47:53,234 --> 01:47:53,394
Speaker 7: Yeah.

2391
01:47:53,514 --> 01:47:56,634
Speaker 8: So I have a couple I have a couple of planks.

2392
01:47:58,074 --> 01:48:01,634
Speaker 14: I want to talk about Elliott Wolf and uh and

2393
01:48:01,794 --> 01:48:02,794
Speaker 14: drawing mao, I know a.

2394
01:48:02,794 --> 01:48:05,994
Speaker 15: Lot of people were saying, Oh, they shouldn't be fired,

2395
01:48:06,074 --> 01:48:06,474
Speaker 15: or maybe.

2396
01:48:06,354 --> 01:48:07,234
Speaker 14: They should be fired.

2397
01:48:08,514 --> 01:48:10,434
Speaker 15: I personally think they should.

2398
01:48:10,914 --> 01:48:14,954
Speaker 13: I listened to a lot of Zolac and Burttanna, I

2399
01:48:15,034 --> 01:48:15,554
Speaker 13: didn't do that.

2400
01:48:16,434 --> 01:48:17,154
Speaker 3: He's still there.

2401
01:48:17,834 --> 01:48:21,434
Speaker 6: I don't know what happened, he said, Zolac and just yea.

2402
01:48:25,714 --> 01:48:29,194
Speaker 3: So we'll go from Daytona Beach down thankat beach. John's there,

2403
01:48:29,234 --> 01:48:29,754
Speaker 3: what's up.

2404
01:48:29,714 --> 01:48:36,554
Speaker 15: John, Patty everyone. I was at the last two UH

2405
01:48:37,074 --> 01:48:42,314
Speaker 15: Patriots games prior to this one on Sunday, and just

2406
01:48:42,474 --> 01:48:46,074
Speaker 15: my emotional kind of fan reactions to the situation. Those

2407
01:48:46,114 --> 01:48:48,474
Speaker 15: other two games from last year and the year before

2408
01:48:50,034 --> 01:48:52,754
Speaker 15: they didn't go very well, but there was just something

2409
01:48:52,794 --> 01:48:55,034
Speaker 15: about this one that felt like a little bit worse

2410
01:48:55,114 --> 01:48:59,634
Speaker 15: than all that, and I just I kind of left feeling,

2411
01:49:00,034 --> 01:49:03,514
Speaker 15: you know, no comments about the scheme, no comments about

2412
01:49:03,554 --> 01:49:05,594
Speaker 15: the team, ra just kind of the little I would

2413
01:49:05,594 --> 01:49:08,994
Speaker 15: say Crestfall would be my be my word of Troy's

2414
01:49:09,074 --> 01:49:12,794
Speaker 15: walking walking to my car. So yeah, just sharing my

2415
01:49:13,034 --> 01:49:17,634
Speaker 15: very emotional, non strategic, non dramatic fan reaction.

2416
01:49:18,434 --> 01:49:20,394
Speaker 3: Yeah, Crestfall, sad and disappointed.

2417
01:49:20,394 --> 01:49:21,314
Speaker 10: I didn't google that one.

2418
01:49:21,554 --> 01:49:26,074
Speaker 4: Feel that it was hard that way after back.

2419
01:49:26,194 --> 01:49:28,114
Speaker 6: Yeah, I just I feel a little disappointed right now,

2420
01:49:28,274 --> 01:49:29,914
Speaker 6: just that I was hoping that that we come out

2421
01:49:29,954 --> 01:49:32,594
Speaker 6: of this season with multiple sparks, you know, multiple like

2422
01:49:32,794 --> 01:49:34,194
Speaker 6: just and I don't need a lot, but you know,

2423
01:49:34,274 --> 01:49:37,394
Speaker 6: a handful of guys that something new, something exciting, and

2424
01:49:37,514 --> 01:49:39,754
Speaker 6: we certainly have that with Drake, and that's that's a

2425
01:49:39,794 --> 01:49:42,914
Speaker 6: big important piece of it. But I just I think

2426
01:49:42,954 --> 01:49:44,754
Speaker 6: it's getting to be too late in the season to

2427
01:49:44,834 --> 01:49:47,914
Speaker 6: truly believe anything that a player shows over these last

2428
01:49:47,954 --> 01:49:50,394
Speaker 6: five games is really indicative of who that player is

2429
01:49:50,434 --> 01:49:52,434
Speaker 6: going to be. Maybe someone will have a good game

2430
01:49:52,554 --> 01:49:55,514
Speaker 6: or flash, but it's hard to have enough opportunity over

2431
01:49:55,634 --> 01:49:58,274
Speaker 6: these five games to really see someone string it together

2432
01:49:58,394 --> 01:50:00,514
Speaker 6: and be like, all right, Caden Wallace, you know, like

2433
01:50:00,994 --> 01:50:03,154
Speaker 6: he played those last two games like he looked, you know, like,

2434
01:50:03,274 --> 01:50:04,514
Speaker 6: it's just it's hard to get there.

2435
01:50:04,514 --> 01:50:07,394
Speaker 11: I don't know we you know, other than the guys

2436
01:50:07,474 --> 01:50:10,154
Speaker 11: that are you know, just like they're reliables like Hunter

2437
01:50:10,234 --> 01:50:13,994
Speaker 11: Henry for example. I feel good about two players on

2438
01:50:14,114 --> 01:50:18,234
Speaker 11: this entire team, Drake and Christian Gonzales and literally everybody else.

2439
01:50:18,434 --> 01:50:20,594
Speaker 11: I kind of just feel like is I mean, like

2440
01:50:20,674 --> 01:50:23,194
Speaker 11: Kean White has his moments I think where he's maybe

2441
01:50:23,234 --> 01:50:27,274
Speaker 11: a little a little bit more than an average NFL starter. Uh,

2442
01:50:27,514 --> 01:50:30,994
Speaker 11: certainly in the interior pass rush. He he looks like

2443
01:50:31,114 --> 01:50:35,194
Speaker 11: a problem for a lot of offensive linemen. But other

2444
01:50:35,314 --> 01:50:37,674
Speaker 11: than that, I'll give him two and a half in

2445
01:50:37,834 --> 01:50:40,674
Speaker 11: terms of like, yeah, when he gets back, I mean.

2446
01:50:40,634 --> 01:50:42,114
Speaker 4: Yeah, can we see if he gets it back.

2447
01:50:42,714 --> 01:50:45,154
Speaker 11: I kind of wonder with him too, with Barmore, like,

2448
01:50:45,394 --> 01:50:47,194
Speaker 11: I'm sure he wants to be out there, but he's

2449
01:50:47,234 --> 01:50:48,354
Speaker 11: clearly a compromise.

2450
01:50:48,474 --> 01:50:52,034
Speaker 3: Like he's like Marcus Jones. I think he's a good player.

2451
01:50:52,074 --> 01:50:53,114
Speaker 3: I don't know about you guys.

2452
01:50:53,354 --> 01:50:55,554
Speaker 4: I think he's he's an exceptional punt returner.

2453
01:50:55,754 --> 01:51:01,354
Speaker 10: Yeah, so that helps, yea almost just for just force

2454
01:51:02,434 --> 01:51:02,874
Speaker 10: really help.

2455
01:51:04,794 --> 01:51:06,714
Speaker 11: Doesn't look like the same guy at all, which I'm

2456
01:51:06,754 --> 01:51:09,554
Speaker 11: not holding Christian Barmore, which I'm not holding against him

2457
01:51:09,634 --> 01:51:10,034
Speaker 11: one bit.

2458
01:51:10,114 --> 01:51:13,714
Speaker 4: I'm just wondering if it's something like is there something

2459
01:51:13,794 --> 01:51:20,034
Speaker 4: in his medical handling here that is preventing him from

2460
01:51:20,074 --> 01:51:22,394
Speaker 4: working out slash you know whatever. He doesn't look like

2461
01:51:22,474 --> 01:51:22,714
Speaker 4: he's in.

2462
01:51:22,794 --> 01:51:24,834
Speaker 10: Jape right, Yeah, this is not a critique.

2463
01:51:25,274 --> 01:51:27,074
Speaker 4: He shouldn't be in shape. He hasn't done anything in

2464
01:51:27,154 --> 01:51:30,674
Speaker 4: three months, cloths, So I'm wondering if Is there something

2465
01:51:30,874 --> 01:51:33,674
Speaker 4: about that that's going to prevent him from being the

2466
01:51:33,714 --> 01:51:34,434
Speaker 4: player he was.

2467
01:51:35,194 --> 01:51:38,474
Speaker 11: Yeah, there's just no strength or like explosiveness to his

2468
01:51:38,634 --> 01:51:40,354
Speaker 11: movements right now like he used to see.

2469
01:51:40,874 --> 01:51:46,634
Speaker 4: You know, he comes crestfall has nothing to find Crestfallen.

2470
01:51:46,754 --> 01:51:50,434
Speaker 4: Like Mike on Christian Barboy's sack, he just looks and

2471
01:51:50,514 --> 01:51:53,594
Speaker 4: he goes, Man, that was awfully late in the dawn.

2472
01:51:55,714 --> 01:51:58,914
Speaker 10: I mean, Mike, really good coverage Biken Zoe.

2473
01:51:59,274 --> 01:52:01,474
Speaker 4: And to your point, I believe that was all set

2474
01:52:01,554 --> 01:52:04,113
Speaker 4: up by Keon White. I think Keon White had immediate

2475
01:52:04,194 --> 01:52:06,754
Speaker 4: pressure on the inside which kind of forced to it

2476
01:52:06,874 --> 01:52:08,234
Speaker 4: to move up a little bit and the move.

2477
01:52:08,354 --> 01:52:11,234
Speaker 11: Yes, some moments in the in the interior pass rush

2478
01:52:11,274 --> 01:52:13,914
Speaker 11: that Keon White looks like a dude, There's no doubt about.

2479
01:52:13,754 --> 01:52:15,794
Speaker 6: That, and like just to like pull some positivity like

2480
01:52:16,314 --> 01:52:18,634
Speaker 6: as bad as that offside so infroony Jenning's like he

2481
01:52:18,714 --> 01:52:21,274
Speaker 6: continues to show up as an NFL edge setter like

2482
01:52:21,714 --> 01:52:23,634
Speaker 6: he does that. I feel like I just don't see

2483
01:52:23,674 --> 01:52:25,794
Speaker 6: it he does that, and I would I don't think

2484
01:52:25,834 --> 01:52:27,754
Speaker 6: we gave credit like to Mapo. I thought that the

2485
01:52:27,834 --> 01:52:29,674
Speaker 6: punch out was a nice play by Mapo too.

2486
01:52:29,834 --> 01:52:32,874
Speaker 4: You know that was that was, yeah, he said Hunter Henry.

2487
01:52:32,994 --> 01:52:35,674
Speaker 10: Yeah, like I'm like I take out, I take out

2488
01:52:35,754 --> 01:52:37,034
Speaker 10: like not been good.

2489
01:52:37,154 --> 01:52:39,034
Speaker 11: Hunter Henry's of the world, who are just kind of

2490
01:52:39,234 --> 01:52:43,594
Speaker 11: solid NFL players, right, been this year relative to the

2491
01:52:43,674 --> 01:52:45,674
Speaker 11: contract they gave him, or just relative.

2492
01:52:45,314 --> 01:52:47,474
Speaker 4: To relative to him? Has he been as good as

2493
01:52:47,514 --> 01:52:50,874
Speaker 4: he was last year? Like this is like you could

2494
01:52:50,914 --> 01:52:53,634
Speaker 4: just say everybody's good the last two weeks, not have

2495
01:52:53,714 --> 01:52:55,554
Speaker 4: any idea why they have three and nine, but that

2496
01:52:55,714 --> 01:52:56,874
Speaker 4: these guys haven't played well.

2497
01:52:57,074 --> 01:52:59,274
Speaker 11: The last two weeks have been better for one and

2498
01:52:59,394 --> 01:53:02,274
Speaker 11: all the inside outside, inside, outside could not have helped

2499
01:53:02,954 --> 01:53:03,674
Speaker 11: his development.

2500
01:53:03,754 --> 01:53:06,394
Speaker 4: He's one of the penalties. Yeah, like in a better game,

2501
01:53:06,474 --> 01:53:07,674
Speaker 4: he's getting called for holding.

2502
01:53:07,794 --> 01:53:11,514
Speaker 11: But uh, it's uh, it's relatively I have a tough

2503
01:53:11,634 --> 01:53:15,034
Speaker 11: time stomaching the fact that they're paying him nineteen million

2504
01:53:15,074 --> 01:53:17,194
Speaker 11: dollars a year to play guard. So like, if they're

2505
01:53:17,234 --> 01:53:19,354
Speaker 11: going to do that, then he better be a damn

2506
01:53:19,434 --> 01:53:19,874
Speaker 11: good guard.

2507
01:53:19,994 --> 01:53:21,794
Speaker 4: Like you can't better just have him and not a

2508
01:53:21,874 --> 01:53:23,714
Speaker 4: hell to worry about it. And that hasn't been the case.

2509
01:53:23,874 --> 01:53:27,554
Speaker 3: I had a bread I meant to say a Godshaw, Yeah,

2510
01:53:27,594 --> 01:53:28,594
Speaker 3: Godshaw has played well.

2511
01:53:28,674 --> 01:53:29,594
Speaker 10: He's for his role.

2512
01:53:29,714 --> 01:53:32,234
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, he's okay, but he's a much better

2513
01:53:32,314 --> 01:53:33,594
Speaker 4: example than Godshaw.

2514
01:53:33,714 --> 01:53:35,634
Speaker 11: To me, is a perfect example of what I'm talking

2515
01:53:35,674 --> 01:53:38,274
Speaker 11: about with Hunter Henry, Like in their role, in their

2516
01:53:38,394 --> 01:53:41,994
Speaker 11: capacity very reliable veteran players in this league.

2517
01:53:42,394 --> 01:53:44,594
Speaker 10: Are they game changers? Do they move the needle?

2518
01:53:45,034 --> 01:53:47,754
Speaker 11: Like for the Patriots, you know those Blue Chippers there

2519
01:53:48,234 --> 01:53:50,794
Speaker 11: is you know, it's two guys, it's Drake and Gonza.

2520
01:53:50,914 --> 01:53:53,874
Speaker 4: Like, I'm glad they have Hunter Henry because Drake May

2521
01:53:53,954 --> 01:53:57,274
Speaker 4: is playing right like, Hunter Henry could have the exact

2522
01:53:57,314 --> 01:54:00,314
Speaker 4: same first twelve games if Brissette was playing all like,

2523
01:54:00,794 --> 01:54:03,954
Speaker 4: be like, what's the difference. I'm glad they have him

2524
01:54:04,114 --> 01:54:06,714
Speaker 4: for May because I think it's important that he has

2525
01:54:07,394 --> 01:54:11,554
Speaker 4: a professional veteran who's gonna do the right thing ninety

2526
01:54:11,634 --> 01:54:13,594
Speaker 4: nine percent of the time, and that's what Henry's been.

2527
01:54:13,914 --> 01:54:16,714
Speaker 3: Xavier in Jamaica right said, I'm not a football expert,

2528
01:54:16,794 --> 01:54:19,194
Speaker 3: but I see the obvious talent in Drake May. He's

2529
01:54:19,234 --> 01:54:20,954
Speaker 3: clearly got a lot of tools. He's like to be

2530
01:54:20,994 --> 01:54:22,794
Speaker 3: able to make it as a top ten quarterback in

2531
01:54:22,834 --> 01:54:25,034
Speaker 3: the league. I like Mac, but it's apparent that Drake

2532
01:54:25,114 --> 01:54:28,274
Speaker 3: is more talented. So it was a good decision. I'm

2533
01:54:28,354 --> 01:54:32,274
Speaker 3: concerned though, with May's tendency to lose the ball via

2534
01:54:32,314 --> 01:54:34,714
Speaker 3: fumbles or interceptions. Right now, I'm putting it down to

2535
01:54:34,794 --> 01:54:37,314
Speaker 3: being a rookie, but I hope it's not something inherent

2536
01:54:37,394 --> 01:54:40,394
Speaker 3: in him that he can ever change. He's not tucking

2537
01:54:40,434 --> 01:54:42,554
Speaker 3: the ball in situations where it's clear he's going to

2538
01:54:42,594 --> 01:54:44,754
Speaker 3: be sacked and ends up losing it. Need to fix

2539
01:54:44,874 --> 01:54:48,474
Speaker 3: that there. The more worrying thing is the interceptions and

2540
01:54:48,514 --> 01:54:51,954
Speaker 3: the moments of clutch. It's happened multiple times now, and

2541
01:54:52,034 --> 01:54:54,114
Speaker 3: I know he's trying to win the game, but not

2542
01:54:54,314 --> 01:54:57,074
Speaker 3: all of those players were fourth downs. We had multiple

2543
01:54:57,194 --> 01:55:00,474
Speaker 3: downs left and time on the clock, but he's still

2544
01:55:00,594 --> 01:55:03,874
Speaker 3: forced the ball. I'm giving it leeway, but come on, Drake.

2545
01:55:05,114 --> 01:55:07,834
Speaker 6: I think we all feel similarly of some of those

2546
01:55:07,874 --> 01:55:09,834
Speaker 6: turnovers and fairly balanced. Yeah.

2547
01:55:09,834 --> 01:55:13,194
Speaker 4: Look, I'm very high on Drake May, and I'm a

2548
01:55:13,194 --> 01:55:14,074
Speaker 4: little concerned about that.

2549
01:55:14,434 --> 01:55:14,634
Speaker 10: Fred.

2550
01:55:14,674 --> 01:55:17,474
Speaker 6: How many interceptions of Peyton manningthrow as a twenty rookie,

2551
01:55:18,034 --> 01:55:18,554
Speaker 6: Well there you go.

2552
01:55:18,874 --> 01:55:21,954
Speaker 11: His his turnover where the playerrate has actually come down

2553
01:55:21,994 --> 01:55:25,074
Speaker 11: a little bit, believe it or not frightening, but he

2554
01:55:26,114 --> 01:55:28,994
Speaker 11: right now he is at four point seven percent, which

2555
01:55:29,114 --> 01:55:30,794
Speaker 11: is third most in the league.

2556
01:55:31,194 --> 01:55:31,914
Speaker 10: Right, So that's high.

2557
01:55:31,994 --> 01:55:34,354
Speaker 4: Like, I'm a question about the turnover worthy right there.

2558
01:55:34,394 --> 01:55:37,554
Speaker 4: I don't know why there's that. So as an example,

2559
01:55:38,034 --> 01:55:41,194
Speaker 4: the interception that he throws, he sort of backpedally gets tipped.

2560
01:55:41,514 --> 01:55:44,234
Speaker 4: It makes another is that it was a turnover. Does

2561
01:55:44,274 --> 01:55:45,874
Speaker 4: that go down as a turnover worthy play?

2562
01:55:46,034 --> 01:55:47,994
Speaker 10: So it doesn't in PFF It doesn't.

2563
01:55:47,874 --> 01:55:49,034
Speaker 4: Because it wouldn't in my book.

2564
01:55:49,274 --> 01:55:51,354
Speaker 10: It doesn't mean tipps.

2565
01:55:51,434 --> 01:55:55,234
Speaker 4: Yeah, well tipped, but like not only tipped, Like that

2566
01:55:55,434 --> 01:55:59,514
Speaker 4: was an unbelievable catch by the linebacker. Yeah, Like it wasn't. Really,

2567
01:55:59,754 --> 01:56:01,474
Speaker 4: he didn't put the ball. There were four or five

2568
01:56:01,554 --> 01:56:03,034
Speaker 4: other plays in that game that I thought were far

2569
01:56:03,114 --> 01:56:05,554
Speaker 4: more turnover worthy than that, So that wound up on

2570
01:56:05,594 --> 01:56:09,234
Speaker 4: the ground. They only they only counted the strip sack.

2571
01:56:10,234 --> 01:56:12,194
Speaker 4: I mean because of the emailer's point of the ball

2572
01:56:12,274 --> 01:56:16,514
Speaker 4: security aspect. You can't make a swimp. Josh Allen is

2573
01:56:16,554 --> 01:56:19,234
Speaker 4: still doing that, you know, that stupid swim move with

2574
01:56:19,314 --> 01:56:20,274
Speaker 4: the ball. You can't do that.

2575
01:56:20,514 --> 01:56:22,194
Speaker 11: Yeah, So I was going to bring up Josh Allen

2576
01:56:22,274 --> 01:56:24,114
Speaker 11: because that's the comp right, It does that.

2577
01:56:24,154 --> 01:56:25,914
Speaker 4: All the time, and it's still one of the things

2578
01:56:25,954 --> 01:56:27,034
Speaker 4: that he can't get away with.

2579
01:56:27,194 --> 01:56:30,754
Speaker 11: Yeah, Josh Allen's rookie season, his turnover worthy player, it

2580
01:56:30,914 --> 01:56:33,434
Speaker 11: was five point one percent and Drakes right now is

2581
01:56:33,474 --> 01:56:37,714
Speaker 11: four point seven. So pretty comparable, right, And that that's

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01:56:37,754 --> 01:56:40,394
Speaker 11: what you hope. You hope that he's Josh Allen two

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01:56:40,394 --> 01:56:43,274
Speaker 11: point zero. And they're gonna be moments where there's gonna

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01:56:43,314 --> 01:56:45,954
Speaker 11: be some some boneheaded neo Paul say and he's still

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01:56:45,994 --> 01:56:49,314
Speaker 11: doing it right, boneheaded and turnovers. But there are also

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01:56:49,394 --> 01:56:51,194
Speaker 11: going to be moments where he's rolling to his right

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Speaker 11: and three guys are coming up to him and he

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01:56:52,954 --> 01:56:54,434
Speaker 11: throws it fifty yards for a touchdown.

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Speaker 6: So it's like, you know that that's the gotta take

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01:56:57,794 --> 01:57:00,874
Speaker 6: the yea right, welcome to this, like this is the

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01:57:00,954 --> 01:57:03,434
Speaker 6: new age quarterback. N Yeah, he's mobile, he can run,

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01:57:03,874 --> 01:57:04,914
Speaker 6: might throw some interceptions.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, let me some turnovers, all right, too many turnovers.

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01:57:08,714 --> 01:57:11,754
Speaker 4: And he was all over it again today at his

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01:57:11,834 --> 01:57:14,394
Speaker 4: press conference. You know he's got to clean it up.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, this is I'm not surprised that this at all. No,

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Speaker 3: and I'm glad they're not coddling him like they did

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01:57:19,994 --> 01:57:25,394
Speaker 3: with Matt Jones his first year. So smart kid, we'll

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Speaker 3: work it out.

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Speaker 4: Third and sixteen draw.

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Speaker 3: He's the least of our problems right now. All right,

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Speaker 3: that's gonna be it for this edition of Patriots Unfiltered

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Speaker 3: Catch twenty two, four o'clock, four o'clock today, Yes, four

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Speaker 3: o'clock today if you want to catch it live, and

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Speaker 3: then tomorrow we'll be back at noon. But it's gonna

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Speaker 3: be like a Thursday, so we're gonna have to hurry,

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Speaker 3: so we'll see you then, buddy.

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Speaker 10: And I'm usually into the numbers. Okay, I'm into the

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Speaker 10: tangible numbers. There's there's time here. Just give me there's

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