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Speaker 1: Hey everybody, Scott Patterson. We are going to get started
Speaker 1: now with part two of Spring.
Speaker 2: Then we go back to therapy.
Speaker 3: And I thought this was very mean of Emily to
Speaker 3: call Luke her roommate.
Speaker 4: But she is she wrong? Is she wrong?
Speaker 1: He's not wrong?
Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't think.
Speaker 1: She makes a really good point.
Speaker 4: Oh, you guys, they're totally like no, And I don't
Speaker 4: see that at all. And this is coming from somebody
Speaker 4: that's watching it for the first time. I'm in. I'm
Speaker 4: watching these movies right now being like Luke and Laurla
Speaker 4: they're not in a good spot.
Speaker 3: Oh, that continues to be addressed. But I don't think
Speaker 3: they're really mates.
Speaker 4: I kind of do. I don't think she's wrong.
Speaker 2: All right, fair, fair, fair.
Speaker 1: So you're telling me from two thousand and seven to
Speaker 1: twenty and sixteen, in nine years, these two the idyllic
Speaker 1: couple are not married.
Speaker 4: How How there's also no passion between them. There's no
Speaker 4: chemistry or passion, there's nothing history.
Speaker 2: In winter they were like there was some chemistry.
Speaker 1: I thought there are no children, there's no there are
Speaker 1: no rings, not.
Speaker 4: Like the last episode of the series where they kiss
Speaker 4: after the graduates.
Speaker 2: Say, You're like, there's the fireworks.
Speaker 4: There it is and coming to the movie so far,
Speaker 4: I haven't How does.
Speaker 1: The fire that burns that bright for that long not
Speaker 1: produce children? Happiness?
Speaker 2: Okay, purpose some people.
Speaker 3: Some people don't want children.
Speaker 1: I know that, but this is Gilmore girls. This is
Speaker 1: like the iconic children.
Speaker 3: I actually don't find it problematic that they don't actually try.
Speaker 1: The fans are so pissed off. It's because of this.
Speaker 1: It's because somebody is trying to be too clever and
Speaker 1: too cute and messing around with characters that shouldn't be
Speaker 1: messed around with. There are certain things that are iconic
Speaker 1: that are created that somebody just did too much to
Speaker 1: or not given them enough. And this we're staring at
Speaker 1: her right in the face.
Speaker 3: I don't disagree with you that they have kind of
Speaker 3: painted Lorelai and Luke in a sort of way. But
Speaker 3: it's not because they don't have children, and it's also
Speaker 3: not because they haven't gotten married both of those things.
Speaker 1: Amy, I'm not attacking people that have wonderful relationships, full
Speaker 1: loving relationships.
Speaker 3: You are upset that Luke and Lorelai are not married.
Speaker 3: I'm not upset by I'm did Luke dirty? Yes, I
Speaker 3: really do. I think that they did not make Luke
Speaker 3: what he should have been. But I don't care that
Speaker 3: they're not married. I'm I think it's kind of interesting
Speaker 3: that they're not married, that they're together.
Speaker 1: So, in terms of storytelling, explain the last nine years,
Speaker 1: what happened to their relationship. It's not addressed at all
Speaker 1: in this and now Laurel is addressing it, like, like,
Speaker 1: what's the story behind it?
Speaker 2: Fair?
Speaker 4: I will say that, like I don't care that they're
Speaker 4: not married or that they don't have I actually don't.
Speaker 4: I like that they didn't have another kid. I like
Speaker 4: that they each have their own kid, and Luke feels
Speaker 4: that Rory is his own.
Speaker 2: I love that.
Speaker 4: What I don't love is that, like I wish that
Speaker 4: they were not married, they have another kid, but they're
Speaker 4: living their life together and I just don't feel that
Speaker 4: life between them. Does that make sense? Like there's nothing
Speaker 4: that's happened for them since the series ended.
Speaker 1: Because Emily's right, Sorry, nobody's made a commitment, nobody's been
Speaker 1: an adult, there's no.
Speaker 3: Adduce I disagree in Winter when when Luke says, I
Speaker 3: did pretty good.
Speaker 2: I have a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: I got terrible.
Speaker 2: That was amazing.
Speaker 1: You're citing that as an example of a great scene. Yes,
Speaker 1: he did pretty good. He's giving up on his passion,
Speaker 1: he's giving up on his.
Speaker 2: What is giving up on?
Speaker 3: He's not giving up on anything he wants this life.
Speaker 2: Why are you so disappointed that Luke's just satisfied.
Speaker 3: Look, I do think they did the character dirty.
Speaker 2: I do. I thought the in vitro stuff was ridiculous.
Speaker 3: I think the fact that he goes in the car
Speaker 3: and goes looking.
Speaker 2: At the real estate is crazy.
Speaker 3: But I don't think Luke should be disappointed himself that
Speaker 3: he's happy to be a small town guy.
Speaker 4: Here's the thing I'll say. I think that scene where
Speaker 4: he was like, I think I did pretty good. I
Speaker 4: love that scene. But it was also prefaced by yeah,
Speaker 4: we didn't have kids, Yeah I didn't do this, Yeah
Speaker 4: I didn't do that. But I think I did pretty good. Right,
Speaker 4: So it shows him settling quite frankly, it does. But
Speaker 4: I did love them where he's so happy with what
Speaker 4: he's got and where he's at. I do enjoy that,
Speaker 4: but I do think that where we are now, however,
Speaker 4: many years later, and in this spring episode where you
Speaker 4: feel that there's a big disconnect between Luke and Laurli
Speaker 4: and that they're both kind of won't want wah mm hmm.
Speaker 4: And I think that's what you're picking up, Scott, that
Speaker 4: they that there there should have been so much more
Speaker 4: with them, and right now there's nothing there. I mean
Speaker 4: nothing is a strong word, but there's no spice, there's
Speaker 4: no chemistry, there's no look future ambitions, there's no goals
Speaker 4: as a couple, like they're just taking, like you know,
Speaker 4: just taking.
Speaker 3: When do you have to get to stop having goals
Speaker 3: and just sit on a rocking chair?
Speaker 1: Not on a TV show if you want people to
Speaker 1: watch it in life, it's okay on TV. You need
Speaker 1: a story to move it forward. These people haven't grown
Speaker 1: and fact, they've slid back, which is why she's exiting.
Speaker 1: And this is the story you really want to tell
Speaker 1: about these two people and do this to a fan.
Speaker 3: I agree that the movies are lackluster. I'm not defending
Speaker 3: that they aren't.
Speaker 1: Kind of Okay, we're taught, we're look, we're not doing
Speaker 1: macro stuff anymore. We're right here we're in the weeds.
Speaker 1: We're micro analyzing this. We're now we're pointing to specific issues, Okay,
Speaker 1: specific issues, characterizations, writing, why why did this happen? I'm
Speaker 1: now a fan of this show. I'm a little better
Speaker 1: educated now because I've seen the app I've seen it once. Okay,
Speaker 1: so now I'm like hooked and I'm just like the fans.
Speaker 1: Now I want to see it again. Okay, and this
Speaker 1: episode is kicking my ass.
Speaker 2: I think a lot of people agree with you.
Speaker 1: But I also have more skin in the game because
Speaker 1: I helped make this I helped create this character. Okay.
Speaker 1: So for those of you out there listening to this,
Speaker 1: who are who find this hard to listen to imagine
Speaker 1: put yourself in my shoes all the time and effort
Speaker 1: that it took me to get to a position to
Speaker 1: get an offer, to be in a show this good,
Speaker 1: and to play a character that's special. To watch what's
Speaker 1: happening to him now is hard.
Speaker 5: It's hard.
Speaker 1: It's like watching you know, you know you've built a
Speaker 1: taj mahal. Now they're making condos out of it that
Speaker 1: you would be horrified, It would kill you to watch it.
Speaker 1: That is what I am experiencing right now. So these
Speaker 1: are the killer that I'm.
Speaker 3: Asking completely corrected in.
Speaker 1: The last nine years. What happened in the last nine years.
Speaker 1: Why are these people at this place? Why is their
Speaker 1: relationship sort of settled and kind of may so.
Speaker 4: I have a question for you kids on this note.
Speaker 1: Did you think it's a fairly important relationship in the show? Yeah?
Speaker 1: It is. Why aren't they dealing?
Speaker 4: So with this being said, did they tell you before
Speaker 4: the movie started where they are at, like as as
Speaker 4: an actor, where they like Luke and Laura are here.
Speaker 2: This is how we're acting.
Speaker 1: Not really, it's not really, not really, Scott.
Speaker 3: We do understand because Danielle and I create shows. Also
Speaker 3: imagine if we like we create shows and we give
Speaker 3: our guidance right to people that don't listen to us,
Speaker 3: and then the shows hit the bucket, right, and we're like, hey,
Speaker 3: you probably should have listened to us. So I understand
Speaker 3: that you know this character just like we know our shows, right,
Speaker 3: And you go to whoever you go to and say,
Speaker 3: you know, Luke's gonna know about what IVF is, and
Speaker 3: Luke's not going to jump in the car with Emily
Speaker 3: and go look at a bunch of real estate for
Speaker 3: a diner expansion he doesn't want, and they don't listen
Speaker 3: to you. We so get how frustrating that we so
Speaker 3: get it. Now as a fan, do I think these
Speaker 3: movies are terribly flawed? But I also think I'm so
Speaker 3: happy to have them, and I also think there is
Speaker 3: some good in them, right, And I.
Speaker 2: Don't think that.
Speaker 3: Look you get you're the character is now fifty, Lorealize
Speaker 3: like forty.
Speaker 2: I'm just gett you know, close, forty two whatever she is,
Speaker 2: I'm fifty.
Speaker 1: I don't watch it Louralize forty seven, forty eight.
Speaker 4: Yeah, because thirty thirty two.
Speaker 1: She's thirty two year two old.
Speaker 3: Okay, sorry, okay, you're right. Sorry, So forty, Luke's about
Speaker 3: what fifty something?
Speaker 2: She's forty.
Speaker 3: I'm fifty, and let me tell you, I'm starting to
Speaker 3: have less and less goals of expansion and more and
Speaker 3: more wanting to sit on my rock and porch, go
Speaker 3: to a movie, stick my feet in the hot tub.
Speaker 3: So I understand that for me, just for me, I'm
Speaker 3: only saying myself, I don't think Luke and Lorlai have failed.
Speaker 2: Yes, are they a little bit like seven year itchy? Maybe?
Speaker 3: Maybe but like they're best friends, their companions. They are romantic.
Speaker 3: We know they sleep together all the things. So I'm
Speaker 3: not like this is a couple in distress, you know
Speaker 3: what I mean.
Speaker 1: I think I think they just don't want to give
Speaker 1: these main characters a happy ending. They want to you know,
Speaker 1: Lane and Zach got a happy ending. Children, uh, Suki
Speaker 1: and Jackson happy ending, children, marriage, the whole thing. They
Speaker 1: did a big wedding for everybody, you know, at least
Speaker 1: they did weddings for them. I guess we should be
Speaker 1: happy that's somebody, but right, I mean.
Speaker 2: But you always think they're happy.
Speaker 1: Rory's a mess, Laurel is a mess, Emily's a mess,
Speaker 1: Luke's a mess. Everybody's a mess.
Speaker 2: Look's not a mess. Luke's just ya. He's not a mess.
Speaker 2: He is not He's he's just a little.
Speaker 1: Around without a pair, if you know what I mean.
Speaker 3: Well, yes, he's a little that. But Luke's not unhappy.
Speaker 3: This is the difference. Lorla yes, is dealing with some unhappiness.
Speaker 3: I'm sure some because of Rory, some because her relationship
Speaker 3: is sort of blase, her challenges with her mother, Luke.
Speaker 3: If you walked up to Luke in these movies and said,
Speaker 3: are you happy, he'd be like, I'm really happy. He's
Speaker 3: not unhappy, Yes he is, Oh, I disagree. Is really happy.
Speaker 3: He's got he's got a great kid who's at mit.
Speaker 3: He's got another kid, Rory. He's got the woman of
Speaker 3: his dreams. He's got the diner. His sister's in a cult,
Speaker 3: but that's okay. He's got money. Luke is happy because
Speaker 3: Luke is a simple guy who likes he doesn't want
Speaker 3: to leave Stars Hollow.
Speaker 2: He's very happy there.
Speaker 3: Like no one's going like, why isn't Gypsy franchised her?
Speaker 3: You know, shop like because these people are happy and
Speaker 3: Stars Hollow And to me, that's the message of this show.
Speaker 3: One core message is we don't have to go to
Speaker 3: the big slit. It's like, hey, we're here in this
Speaker 3: little town and we love our fairs and we love
Speaker 3: our little movie theater that shows old movies and made
Speaker 3: up movies by Kirk, and I bring my hot dogs
Speaker 3: in there, like I find happiness.
Speaker 1: That I agree with you. And I think that's a
Speaker 1: very very, very very good point that you have just made.
Speaker 1: That the main character Stars Hollow forces this. This is
Speaker 1: the reality of Star so that's all well and good.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying from an aspirational point of view what
Speaker 1: I wanted to see, and this how I wanted to
Speaker 1: see this relationship with Laura Lai. Yeah, and my character
Speaker 1: and her character grow over those I get that nine
Speaker 1: years because I think that provides far more interesting material
Speaker 1: it provides thematically. On this the tone of the show,
Speaker 1: I think that it. I just think that stagnation and
Speaker 1: negativity and how Daniel Daniel described it perfectly should never
Speaker 1: be a part of this show. I agree with that
Speaker 1: because that's not the show. That's not the spirit of it.
Speaker 3: So in your mouth, but I think you see Luke
Speaker 3: as the guy that's going to be the best husband,
Speaker 3: the best partner, the best you know, businessman in starsall
Speaker 3: you do see Luke as aspirational. I don't think he
Speaker 3: needs to franchise to be aspirational. I agree with you
Speaker 3: in the sense that like Loreli is not going to
Speaker 3: be bored with Luke, Loreli is not going to be
Speaker 3: questioning her relationship with Luke because.
Speaker 2: Luke is too good for that.
Speaker 3: And that is where I think you actually are frustrated
Speaker 3: that you're seeing And again, I don't want to put
Speaker 3: words in your mouth. But you're seeing Emily kind of
Speaker 3: emasculate Luke, which she always has and always will. Fine,
Speaker 3: but I think that Laura would be.
Speaker 1: He doesn't have to allow it to happen.
Speaker 2: I think he's just polite about it. I don't even
Speaker 2: know if he question polite.
Speaker 1: How is that polite? He's just dumb. Now he doesn't
Speaker 1: even know how how to defend himself.
Speaker 3: He's dumb and something disappointed that Laurai that Luke isn't
Speaker 3: LOURAI will be like, I have the best relationship in town. No,
Speaker 3: we're not roommates, we are soulmates.
Speaker 2: Do you know what I'm saying? Like, it's not about
Speaker 2: the ring.
Speaker 3: Or the children, it's about that their relationship is a little.
Speaker 2: And that doesn't track.
Speaker 1: No, it doesn't. And now how do you think it
Speaker 1: makes a fan bield fan base feel that now she's
Speaker 1: getting in therapy at the end of this episode, you
Speaker 1: know she's getting She's going to have a single one
Speaker 1: on one session and she's going to talk about how
Speaker 1: she's not happy in her relationship with Luke.
Speaker 2: I think it's disappointing.
Speaker 1: What can I still do for lauralized character? Now they're
Speaker 1: deconstruct hook.
Speaker 2: I don't know about that, because.
Speaker 1: Let's dismantle this love.
Speaker 3: Some people find it relatable. So I don't think it's
Speaker 3: where I would see Luke and Laurlai. But many many
Speaker 3: fifty year old women who've been with their person for
Speaker 3: ten years or more or a little less, feel the
Speaker 3: same way. I don't think ultimately, and again we're jumping ahead.
Speaker 3: I don't think ultimately Laurai was questioning her relationship. She
Speaker 3: was questioning who she is and herself, and so many
Speaker 3: fifty year old women are going through that. And so
Speaker 3: I'm sure and I don't know how old Amy is,
Speaker 3: but she's probably a little bit older than me, so
Speaker 3: maybe when she wrote this, she was right in that
Speaker 3: same place. So it does track like I am so
Speaker 3: kind of in that space too.
Speaker 2: So I don't think it's wrecking Laura Lai.
Speaker 3: I think she's just exploring and looktly, there are things
Speaker 3: that I think are dumb I do, and these.
Speaker 2: Movies are a little bit could have been better, right,
Speaker 2: But I think that Hemp was there. I think that
Speaker 2: is it is women.
Speaker 3: In their fifties, late forties, fifties are doing so much
Speaker 3: of what Loralai is doing, trying to work out.
Speaker 1: Their their kids, the whole thing. I guess this is
Speaker 1: really just now it's about exploring.
Speaker 5: Her journey.
Speaker 2: I would say, apart.
Speaker 1: From any other character, this is really about Lorelei's journey
Speaker 1: through life. Here we are, she's forty eight. This is
Speaker 1: going to be her experience. These four episodes are going
Speaker 1: to take us through her experience.
Speaker 2: It's my argument for the whole series too.
Speaker 3: I think at its core, ultimate right, yes, it was
Speaker 3: Gilmore Girls, and Rory and Emily play huge part in that,
Speaker 3: but I have always felt the show and these films
Speaker 3: are always at their center about LORAAI.
Speaker 1: You're proven correct because the one thing that I do
Speaker 1: remember feeling really strange about, right was and I filmed
Speaker 1: it and I remember it is that you know, the
Speaker 1: the elopement. Okay, I thought that was very odd because
Speaker 1: I was, well, we'll get to it, but that's I
Speaker 1: won't go into detail. But the way that was shot
Speaker 1: and what I was told to do after the wedding,
Speaker 1: coming down the stairs and getting out of the shot,
Speaker 1: and I was like, oh, we'll talk about that. I
Speaker 1: thought I was in a different show. I think that's.
Speaker 3: Correct because I think ultimately, look and I've always felt
Speaker 3: this way because I'm fifty now, so I'm very close
Speaker 3: in age to the age they are. When I watched
Speaker 3: it the first time, I was very close to age
Speaker 3: to lowerly then. So I have always just felt like
Speaker 3: her and so yes with flaws, and I've always the
Speaker 3: show was People always like it's about the relationship between
Speaker 3: the two of them, and I've just know, I've always
Speaker 3: felt this show was really Laura Laie.
Speaker 1: Yep, that's why she had the number one by her name.
Speaker 1: Alexis number two, correct, exactly, It's not anybody else's show.
Speaker 3: At that end of this episode, which I know we've
Speaker 3: still got a few more scenes to talk about, but
Speaker 3: the end of the episode, it zooms in on Lauren
Speaker 3: Laura Lai and you see in her face like.
Speaker 2: Just questioning everything.
Speaker 3: We have never acknowledged that she has empty nests in them.
Speaker 3: Yes it's been eight years, but still in a sense
Speaker 3: because of the time warp, she's dealing with empty nests syndrome.
Speaker 3: She's dealing with her relationship stuff, she's lost her father.
Speaker 3: So many people say you are one person before and
Speaker 3: you can attest to this guy because I know this
Speaker 3: is like the case for you. You are one person
Speaker 3: before your parents leave you, and you are a totally
Speaker 3: different person after, and you will never be that same
Speaker 3: person again. So this is now that character is exploring
Speaker 3: all these things.
Speaker 1: I don't, well, what happens is you've become three times
Speaker 1: as strong.
Speaker 2: Wow, let us pray for.
Speaker 1: That, because you know.
Speaker 5: That's what happens.
Speaker 3: I can like it makes me emotional because I relate
Speaker 3: to her so much, and I agree in the little things.
Speaker 3: I totally agree with you, Like they're making Luke kind
Speaker 3: of dopey, right, but at the core I see her
Speaker 3: in the therapy and it's like, Okay, that's me and
Speaker 3: probably a lot of people listening. So anyway, I digress.
Speaker 3: Let's go back to where we were at.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you're going to establish characters and
Speaker 1: you could write him this way, then own it and
Speaker 1: continue to write him that way.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's you make a good point there, because it's
Speaker 3: almost like so deep and gritty and what they're dealing with.
Speaker 3: But then we have all these kind of like silly
Speaker 3: antics like grabbing Luke and taking them to all these
Speaker 3: like diners.
Speaker 1: It's kind of yeah, right.
Speaker 3: It's it's the biggest criticism of the Sex in the
Speaker 3: City reboot is that it kind of lost some of
Speaker 3: its humor and levity, but it's almost doing what they
Speaker 3: really want to go dig.
Speaker 2: Deep into these characters. But anyway, that's a different show.
Speaker 1: So I think the only want to dig deep on
Speaker 1: here is Laurai.
Speaker 2: That's probably correct.
Speaker 1: Probably I don't want to dig deep on anybody.
Speaker 3: Else's why they make Rory such a carney, Like Rory
Speaker 3: is a clown in these movies, like because we're not
Speaker 3: digging deep into her, We're not really analyzing why is
Speaker 3: she still with Logan and cheating on everybody? Why is
Speaker 3: she floundering so much in her career? Why is she
Speaker 3: dating this Pete Paul, you know hat guy that no
Speaker 3: one can remember her name. Like, it's all just flowney,
Speaker 3: whereas with Loralai there is some sort of gritty realism.
Speaker 3: But anyway, we go back to New York and we
Speaker 3: go to Doyle's apartment and I'm sorry, Paris is walk
Speaker 3: up fifth five story, I mean, Pears is loaded, and
Speaker 3: it's kind of dumb.
Speaker 2: Again.
Speaker 3: We get the bit about the nanny. I think you're like, oh,
Speaker 3: I don't like the nanny, go up all the stairs
Speaker 3: and it's just.
Speaker 4: Like we do see Doyke or like, oh, the nanny's
Speaker 4: not gonna want to come downstairs and then upstairs and
Speaker 4: then take the kids to say and then Worry's like,
Speaker 4: I'll go upstairs and take the kids to eat.
Speaker 3: And right, although I do admit that if I do
Speaker 3: I have a two story place, and if I leave
Speaker 3: something upstairs, I'm hard pressed to go get that. I'm like,
Speaker 3: oh God, and I don't like to go up there
Speaker 3: because there's no bathroom up there, and I'm always like, oh,
Speaker 3: I'm gonna have to go downstairs to.
Speaker 2: Go to the bathroom.
Speaker 3: So if I had five stories and I've got upstairs
Speaker 3: and forgot my water from the kitchen, I would.
Speaker 2: Be like, just hold my mouth.
Speaker 3: So I'd hold my mouth under the sink, just like
Speaker 3: I can't. Anyway, it was good to see Doyle.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm bombed. They're getting a divorce. Me too, I'm bombed.
Speaker 4: Hopefully that changes.
Speaker 2: They should stay together personally.
Speaker 3: But uh so we get that scene and then we
Speaker 3: get Rory calling Logan and we see him in bed
Speaker 3: with what we presume to be oh dead, but Lord
Speaker 3: knows with Logan.
Speaker 4: And she kind of he just answers it and just
Speaker 4: is the whole time, and she knows that he's in
Speaker 4: bed with somebody else, and she's just still yeaping in
Speaker 4: a way and rambling and doing her thing. She's like, oh, sorry,
Speaker 4: I know you got somebody there.
Speaker 3: We addressed that once again Logan has no walls, and
Speaker 3: that once again he's in a big studio, lofty flat
Speaker 3: like he never has rooms.
Speaker 2: This guy anyway, for Scott, he's exhausted. So uh, she.
Speaker 1: Asked me, I've come to the realization that this is
Speaker 1: just this is Laura LA's journey and I have nothing
Speaker 1: left to say, so enjoy yourselves.
Speaker 2: Please, you must chime in. So she stcham to put
Speaker 2: the good.
Speaker 1: It's a wonderful feeling realizing that you're just planked.
Speaker 4: And I do feel like if we're talking about character,
Speaker 4: just completely shut down. Rory asking Mitcham for the good word,
Speaker 4: I was like.
Speaker 2: It is just so bad.
Speaker 1: It's hard to watch. It was painful to watch.
Speaker 2: It's a mess in these we think if we feel.
Speaker 4: Like Luke got his, you know what taking away from him,
Speaker 4: like Rory has everything taken away from hers.
Speaker 6: She has like gone down, down goes Frasier, down goes Frasier, yeah, man, and.
Speaker 3: We go to it.
Speaker 1: Bodies were hitting the canvas all all episode.
Speaker 2: We go to Conde asked and.
Speaker 3: They have She has this meeting with these two guys
Speaker 3: and the lines story is just.
Speaker 1: Oh bad, like does life messing with Rory? Just fancy
Speaker 1: number one in their class at Yale and you pissed
Speaker 1: it all away and we're just going to toy with you.
Speaker 5: Now.
Speaker 2: That's a waste of a meeting. And then we go to.
Speaker 3: Therapy and this is where we realize Emily is not coming,
Speaker 3: but Laura lia is going to stay. And we hear
Speaker 3: a very sad story of Richard's passing. So that was upsetting,
Speaker 3: but you know, she needed to kind of talk about it.
Speaker 3: And then we learn a little bit why she isn't
Speaker 3: married and if she's happy. Then we get to the
Speaker 3: scene that's just so stupid where Emily just storms into
Speaker 3: the diner and suddenly Luke's in the car going to
Speaker 3: all these diners and it's just kind of ridiculous.
Speaker 2: And there, yeah, and then we you know, we see
Speaker 2: the diners.
Speaker 3: Then we're in the car with the realtor and Luke's
Speaker 3: and the on there, you know, talking over each other,
Speaker 3: and we're going to do this, We're gonna let's make
Speaker 3: an offer on this.
Speaker 2: Well, no, we should do the second one. Oh, this one,
Speaker 2: it's just.
Speaker 1: Well, it's again using the character of Luke to inject
Speaker 1: this poison into the relationship of Luke and Laurel. I
Speaker 1: because what did Luke learn in that car ride was
Speaker 1: that Laurel Eye lied to him?
Speaker 3: Yes, correct, that's the red herring, right ooh, okay.
Speaker 1: So that's going to be the you know, the seed,
Speaker 1: that the seed of discontent.
Speaker 2: So that is you know rough.
Speaker 3: Then we're back at Paris's house and and Rory gets
Speaker 3: the call from the lawyer with Naomi, and that is
Speaker 3: just again done.
Speaker 1: It was like, okay, did you see her in the
Speaker 1: background chomping on searsticks. I finally laughed. I was laughing.
Speaker 1: I just I rewound the scene a couple of times.
Speaker 1: There she's in the background, lurking.
Speaker 5: Tell her, tell her to the notes.
Speaker 2: To right right, it's a it's a.
Speaker 1: It's a house whatever I mean she does see. That's
Speaker 1: drunken and kind of unhinged. That's how it's done. And
Speaker 1: it's entertaining and it's fun and it's funny and it's energetic,
Speaker 1: and it's just magnetic. I I love her. I think
Speaker 1: she's just so good.
Speaker 2: It's great.
Speaker 3: But my whole thing is so now they're not even
Speaker 3: writing this book and she's like firing Rory.
Speaker 2: So this whole thing has been a waste.
Speaker 1: Who wants to be in business?
Speaker 3: I don't know who to blame.
Speaker 1: Everybody's dumping on. Why shouldn't Naomi?
Speaker 3: Sure, but Naomi is totally nuts. So now I've had
Speaker 3: this whole thing. Now not in this instance is just
Speaker 3: now worse off.
Speaker 2: She just has nothing's ever.
Speaker 1: You know, she's she's bad. Laurie's like, I mean, Rory's
Speaker 1: like bad luck. At this point, everybody's dumping her. If
Speaker 1: she was a stock, everybody'd be selling, you.
Speaker 2: Know, literally all right, So I mean it's just so.
Speaker 4: And then.
Speaker 1: To find drive the sword right through the heart of
Speaker 1: the character, I slept with a Wookie and I was like,
Speaker 1: all right, so where it.
Speaker 2: Didn't yet but that's coming.
Speaker 3: And the almost the next scene practically.
Speaker 2: No I know, I.
Speaker 3: Feel calls Lorelai come to New York. She's gonna do
Speaker 3: this story on spec whatever. Now we've got the most
Speaker 3: boring story of all time, which I obviously think was
Speaker 3: intentional the story about lines. So we've got the and
Speaker 3: somehow Lorli keeps getting everything that she doesn't need to
Speaker 3: wait in line, Like suddenly she's got the dessert, she's
Speaker 3: got the sneakers. I'm just like, this is so awful,
Speaker 3: falls asleep while interviewing the guy terrible. Then there's a
Speaker 3: line that's just for nothing. It's just three guys eating
Speaker 3: their salads.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's just And this is where we get
Speaker 1: to see my real life wife christ Wait, there is
Speaker 1: she she's in. She's in the scene where Laurli comes
Speaker 1: up and talks says you have mother, and she goes,
Speaker 1: you have mother? You have mother and three kids, And
Speaker 1: then my wife says something like, well did she shed
Speaker 1: a line? I forgot the line? I wrote it down,
Speaker 1: but I can't.
Speaker 2: Find waitness she's not in the scene with May Whitman.
Speaker 2: Is she okay?
Speaker 3: So this is where we see May Whitman too, which
Speaker 3: there is a very wink wink there because Rli kind
Speaker 3: of chases after May Whitman for a second and gives
Speaker 3: her like a crona or whatever the new crona is.
Speaker 3: And the wink for people that don't know, is that
Speaker 3: May Whitman is was Laura Lai's character's daughter on Parenthood,
Speaker 3: so it's like her other daughter about to May Whitman,
Speaker 3: who I think also just had a baby. But anyway,
Speaker 3: so that's kind of what that is. So I think
Speaker 3: Christine's in that scene. I'm gonna have to rewatch.
Speaker 1: It, do you. She's the one with the dark hair
Speaker 1: and the tan coat leather.
Speaker 2: And did she do it because you were doing this?
Speaker 5: Oh wait?
Speaker 2: Okay, oh wait there she or did she?
Speaker 1: They just offered it to her?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Oh that's so cute. Oh there she is.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, she's so so cute.
Speaker 2: She's just like her.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, he's fairy Like.
Speaker 2: I don't love that hat on Lorelei.
Speaker 3: In this scene, it's sort of that like, what do
Speaker 3: you call that a newsboy cap?
Speaker 2: I don't.
Speaker 3: I do enjoy the fashion, which we can talk about later. Okay,
Speaker 3: So then we have the boring line story, but we
Speaker 3: do have the beautiful May Whitman and Christine and uh
Speaker 3: then she comes back to the hotel and she very
Speaker 3: quickly reveals she slept with a wookie, which I was like, ew.
Speaker 4: Saw that to your mom, like right fresh after hooking
Speaker 4: up with the Wookie. You're gonna walk in and be
Speaker 4: like I hooked up with the Wookie.
Speaker 1: I think that that was the most bizarre scene I
Speaker 1: have ever witnessed between the two of them.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was not good, but it does open the
Speaker 3: can of worms and she reveals about Logan, which Loralai,
Speaker 3: I agree with you. Danielle like was way too dumbfounded. Oh,
Speaker 3: like she would have known.
Speaker 4: She would have known, she would have been like, I know,
Speaker 4: I'm glad you finally told me.
Speaker 2: Right exactly.
Speaker 3: So anyway, Laurai says she should go to Sandy, says,
Speaker 3: So then now we have the scene.
Speaker 2: That I was like, this is so bothersome.
Speaker 3: She goes to Sandy, says, and suddenly it's like Sandy
Speaker 3: is interviewing her and doesn't even wander.
Speaker 2: I mean, it was so weird. I was like.
Speaker 3: Millennials though, or gen Z like what is this.
Speaker 4: I also think like Rory just be came Walton and
Speaker 4: being like, yeah, give me this job, which I understand
Speaker 4: based off of all I understand that, but like if
Speaker 4: somebody tells you give me an idea, you should be
Speaker 4: able to give an idea.
Speaker 1: Well, I think in that situation, no, I understood why
Speaker 1: Rory froze up because she was not. She was led
Speaker 1: down the Primrose Path only to have the rug pulled
Speaker 1: out from under her by this way.
Speaker 4: Why didn't you just say her life story, like you know,
Speaker 4: I'm right now, I'm working on this.
Speaker 5: You know.
Speaker 1: She didn't because she didn't feel like she had to,
Speaker 1: because this girl was offering her the job for so
Speaker 1: long and was so desperate to have her on and
Speaker 1: build her ego up to the point.
Speaker 2: Daniel, I didn't.
Speaker 1: I think I think it was completely unfair, and I
Speaker 1: thought that girl was really smarmy about it.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 1: I was like, hey, you know, tell her right then
Speaker 1: and there on the phone call when Laurie, when Roy
Speaker 1: he gets in touch, say listen, you know we've reconsidered
Speaker 1: the job. We're considering somebody in house, but come on
Speaker 1: in and pitch me something. I mean, at least prepare
Speaker 1: for it.
Speaker 3: It would be like me calling Scott and going, let's
Speaker 3: do a Gilmore Girls rewatch, and then when he shows
Speaker 3: up to do the show, I'm like, so pitch me
Speaker 3: some ideas and maybe it's like, what what are you
Speaker 3: talking about?
Speaker 1: You know.
Speaker 3: Whatever, but so like she does have ten years eight
Speaker 3: years experience now, like you're not really like, yes you are,
Speaker 3: but like if you're pursuing someone that hard, you know
Speaker 3: their work, you're offering them the job. I thought that
Speaker 3: was kind of weird, but it was kind of I
Speaker 3: thought it was a dig on sort of gen Z millennials,
Speaker 3: like how they are.
Speaker 1: I don't know, clearly Rory has not read the forty
Speaker 1: eight Laws of Power.
Speaker 6: I don't know.
Speaker 4: I'm happy she didn't get the job. Is it just
Speaker 4: me like I'm such a.
Speaker 2: Right When she said she wasted the good dress or whatever?
Speaker 3: This is the she talks about the dress.
Speaker 4: She was like, I needed she needed to wear a
Speaker 4: different dress for her.
Speaker 3: And then she comes into the house and says, I'm
Speaker 3: moving home, and that's where we're at.
Speaker 4: But I think the really important thing is Lorelai's face.
Speaker 4: When she said that, Lorelai was like concerned.
Speaker 2: She should be.
Speaker 4: I agree, but she I think, you know, she just
Speaker 4: went to New York with her.
Speaker 1: Daughter to this, I really really daughter hooked.
Speaker 4: Up with a wookie and is a loser and then
Speaker 4: is having an affair with her ex who is engaged,
Speaker 4: and now she has to move home because she just
Speaker 4: doesn't have anything going for her like.
Speaker 5: Whoa, whoa.
Speaker 1: So I'm going to point blank ask the fans, how
Speaker 1: do you feel about this episode? Tell us chapter and
Speaker 1: verse respond on our Instagram page, and we want to
Speaker 1: know how you truly felt about this episode. I think
Speaker 1: I have an inkling of what the majority are going
Speaker 1: on to say. I just want to see the detail.
Speaker 1: I want to see why you know it disappointed you
Speaker 1: or why you thought it was an incredibly delightful journey.
Speaker 4: Well would you rate this.
Speaker 1: Me, Scott? I just a zero? Oh it's zero zero
Speaker 1: garbage cans because I think they just think they I
Speaker 1: think they trashed the show. I think they trashed these
Speaker 1: characters to a point where they're in the garbage can.
Speaker 1: And I hope, I hope the next two episodes can
Speaker 1: get them out and get them cleaned up and rehabilitate them.
Speaker 1: And I'm very curious.
Speaker 3: What is that Tyra Banks thing Daniel where she's like,
Speaker 3: I want to give it a zero, but I can't,
Speaker 3: So I give it a one.
Speaker 2: What was that? Do you remember that tire?
Speaker 4: Banks?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's from Top Model. I think I don't know,
Speaker 3: you know, the one I'm trying out. Somebody will know.
Speaker 3: What do you give it.
Speaker 4: I was, I was hovering around the sixes, and I'm
Speaker 4: trying to figure out where in the.
Speaker 2: Sixth I'm about with you, I'm about with you.
Speaker 4: I think I'm landing on six point seven five.
Speaker 1: Because again, go ahead, sorry.
Speaker 4: Because again, like I you said it perfectly Amy Like
Speaker 4: these movies, I have so much to pick on, especially
Speaker 4: this one. I actually liked.
Speaker 2: Winter a lot. Yeah, Winter Spring.
Speaker 4: I'm like Spring is rubbing me the wrong way. But
Speaker 4: I still am happy I have it, you know, I'm
Speaker 4: still happy. That's how So I'm going to give it
Speaker 4: six point seventy five.
Speaker 1: Bookies, I'm gonna change my vote. I'm gonna I'm going
Speaker 1: to give it. I'm going to give it four point
Speaker 1: six five rating based on Greg Mitcham Huntsberger and nail me.
Speaker 2: Did you give it? Scott? What'd you give it?
Speaker 1: Zero points four point sixty five? Just based on Alex
Speaker 1: Kingston and Greg Henry's performance.
Speaker 4: Sixty five salary sticks there you go.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, I'm gonna give it six point nine lines
Speaker 3: m hm.
Speaker 2: Six point nine lines m hm. And we didn't.
Speaker 3: We only got like a blip of Jackson. But whatever,
Speaker 3: six point nine And I feel like I'm being generous,
Speaker 3: really generous. I really Oh guys, Oh, my voice is
Speaker 3: shot to shot to shoot from talking so much.
Speaker 1: You did a fantastic job, Gallat and crew. A lot
Speaker 1: of a lot of talking necessary.
Speaker 2: Core crew though this was the O G crew.
Speaker 1: Yeah that's right.
Speaker 2: Yeah, that is true.
Speaker 4: I will say San and Tara are doing a diary,
Speaker 4: their own diary episode. Get into that. Yeah, don't worry,
Speaker 4: you'll get their opinions.
Speaker 3: Zams.
Speaker 2: I read the notes. I was like, oh, the winter
Speaker 2: spring summer.
Speaker 1: Is next summer's next summer summer. All right, ladies, thank you.
Speaker 2: I don't think it works.
Speaker 3: No, no, no, yeah, besties, So even though we fight
Speaker 3: it out.
Speaker 1: Was that bad, did it get No?
Speaker 2: I think it's warranted.
Speaker 1: I agree.
Speaker 2: I agree.
Speaker 3: Everybody doesn't know that we're actually full besties like you have.
Speaker 3: It's so hilarious because they think we're like like we
Speaker 3: love each other, like you're my bestie?
Speaker 1: Like what ye like brother and sister. I thought, I
Speaker 1: feel like I grew up with Amy and Dan you know, well,
Speaker 1: Danielle was like like just born when I was leaving
Speaker 1: for college.
Speaker 2: But I just think people it's like we don't only talk.
Speaker 3: Like we we have like our text chains. That's just
Speaker 3: like a love best and you should see what I
Speaker 3: called Scott five minutes. I won't repeat it, but five
Speaker 3: minutes before we're supposed to be on. I'm like, Daniel,
Speaker 3: are gonna be a little late. We're dealing with some drama.
Speaker 2: He's all, take your time, take your time.
Speaker 1: Yeah, no, no, we're good.
Speaker 3: But I like fighting it out because there's things you're
Speaker 3: saying that I agree with, Like they are doing Luke
Speaker 3: dirty and Rory worse.
Speaker 5: I think they're doing everybody dirty.
Speaker 2: I would have.
Speaker 3: Preferred Rory thriving, really thriving, maybe still having the affair
Speaker 3: with Logan, but thriving.
Speaker 1: Why can't everybody thrive? Seriously, why can't everybody just thrive?
Speaker 2: See see you in summer.
Speaker 1: All right, So that's gonna do it. Thank you, ladies,
Speaker 1: Daniel Romoamy Sugarman. We will be getting separate.
Speaker 4: Diary.
Speaker 1: He is from Tarasud and Susanne French. Much appreciated. Thanks
Speaker 1: for hanging in with us. We are climbing, climbing up
Speaker 1: the ratings chart because.
Speaker 2: You guys, everybody, Yeah.
Speaker 1: Thank you so much. We're cop into the you know,
Speaker 1: into areas that three year old podcasts usually don't frequent,
Speaker 1: but here we are and.
Speaker 2: We're gonna go because they're gonna be like these people
Speaker 2: are nuts, they're crazy.
Speaker 1: Start anyway, best fans on the planet.
Speaker 3: I know, I keep saying it, but stay tuned because
Speaker 3: we've got no it's not gonna be over after the movies.
Speaker 3: I actually think we're coming back strong, but we'll reveal
Speaker 3: it when we get to Fall, of course, Fall Happy
Speaker 3: Gilmour season everybody too, that's.
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