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Speaker 1: What's up the generation? Welcome to the Big Bets on

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Speaker 1: Campus Podcast. This is the College Basketball Conference Tournament Betting Preview,

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Speaker 1: Part five. I'm stucky in joining me for today's episode

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Speaker 1: of my fellow BBOC co hosts Christian and Greg. Today

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Speaker 1: we will get to four conferences. We have the Big Ten,

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Speaker 1: which we'll cover last. We're recording this Sunday morning. We're

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Speaker 1: gonna hit that Sunday night after the brackets released. Greig's

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Speaker 1: actually going to the Michigan game. We'll talk ACC, Big

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Speaker 1: twelve and SOMESA some conference, USA. Gentlemen, I assume Christian

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Speaker 1: you're the most conviction ACC Big twelve, CUSA. You have

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Speaker 1: the most conviction when it comes to the ACC.

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Speaker 2: I would say, so, okay, well.

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Speaker 1: We'll start there and we'll finish with Greg's love in

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Speaker 1: the Big Ten. We'll hit the Big twelve in CUSA

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Speaker 1: in the middle. So let's start with the ACC. Duke

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Speaker 1: is obviously the favorite. I was trying to guess what

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Speaker 1: this last night, what the how much Duke would be

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Speaker 1: favored by?

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Speaker 2: Can?

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Speaker 4: I guess I haven't looked at it. Yeah, minus three

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Speaker 4: fifty it is.

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Speaker 1: I think that's nailed it. Yeah, minus three fifty that's

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Speaker 1: what they open. I was saying, is it going to

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Speaker 1: be more or less than minus two hundred? I mean

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Speaker 1: minus three fifty is in just it's insane. I have

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Speaker 1: them at like seventy percent, but so like, I could

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Speaker 1: never bet the minus three fifty. But you have to

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Speaker 1: also keep in mind that the reason that I thought

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Speaker 1: it was gonna be lower than this. I obviously like

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Speaker 1: Duke is very dominant. They run through the league, but

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Speaker 1: they're not healthy. So Gumba and Evans are not gonna

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Speaker 1: play next weekend. I'm almost ninety nine percent sure. And

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Speaker 1: Shire came out and said he doubts they'll play.

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Speaker 2: Do you mean Foster?

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Speaker 1: Foster? Excuse me? Foster and Gumba are going to be

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Speaker 1: out so like that number one that hurts their depth.

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Speaker 1: Gunga draws a ton of fouls. Their defense has been

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Speaker 1: elite with him, He's obviously a dominant big. Foster gives

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Speaker 1: them shooting, but then you're just like in attorney setting,

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Speaker 1: you're like just really hurting your depth. And I mean

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Speaker 1: Duke since February. First, look, they're one of the handful

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Speaker 1: of best teams in the country. They are running at

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Speaker 1: a plus ten percent three point delta. They're shooting thirty

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Speaker 1: eight percent. Teams are shooting twenty eight against them over

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Speaker 1: the past eight games. It's even more drastic. It's forty

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Speaker 1: to twenty seven and it's on high volume. So, like,

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Speaker 1: could there be and they play slow? Could there be

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Speaker 1: just a night where they go stone cold from three

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Speaker 1: is tested someone boozer gets in foul trouble, Like what? So,

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Speaker 1: I don't think that they're completely invincible here. I would

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Speaker 1: never recommend betting them at minus three point fifty if. Like, so,

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Speaker 1: the question becomes, who's a team that could take them out?

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Speaker 1: You know, I don't think it's very likely, but you know,

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Speaker 1: Florida State is played them very very close at Cameron

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Speaker 1: done a tremendous job of Florida State. I don't think

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Speaker 1: people are talking about him enough. People talk about Lucas,

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Speaker 1: They're thirty first in Torvik. Over the past seven weeks,

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Speaker 1: and then they lost to Miami, who they split with.

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Speaker 1: They just scout really well. I think that their opponents

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Speaker 1: Christian to get your thoughts, let's focus on the top

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Speaker 4: I think it's a lot to ask that could be

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Speaker 2: I bet Clemson at at Cameron.

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Speaker 4: AC Tournament in any of those. But yeah, just having

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Speaker 4: The thing about Duke that I'm just having a tough

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Speaker 4: What I'm getting at is how differently we're talking about

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Speaker 4: It just feels silly to bet anyone else. But if

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Speaker 4: don't think Virginia Miami. We haven't seen Miami play Duke,

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Speaker 4: of course, which is just so strangeo the ACEC decides

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Speaker 4: to schedule this way. But I just don't think Virginia

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I will say, looking at someone, Greg, I'm curious

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Speaker 1: get your thoughts, any thoughts from on the top half.

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Speaker 5: You know, I'm frustrated because all the teams that I

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Speaker 3: We'll get to that side in a minute.

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Speaker 5: But I think you guys nailed the two Florida State

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Speaker 5: I love Locks, He's gonna be a force in future years, I.

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Speaker 3: Think in this league. And then Clemson.

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Speaker 5: I gotta be honest, I was gassing Clemson up a

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Speaker 3: I still think.

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Speaker 5: They are, but I am a little lower on their

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Speaker 5: to be Duke in this type of setting. You know,

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Speaker 5: it's not lost on me that a year ago it

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Speaker 5: gonna miss the SEC tournament?

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Speaker 3: What's gonna happen?

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Speaker 5: And they just rolled through it anyway, Like this team's

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Speaker 5: clearly good enough to do that. That's why at they're

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Speaker 5: priced where they're at. I do think two losses, though,

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Speaker 5: to that starting lineup make this interesting, Like if Duke

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Speaker 5: But you mentioned to Gongba is a huge losso. I

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Speaker 2: I think him and.

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Speaker 5: Sar collectively are the biggest reason their perimeter defense is

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Speaker 5: so elite. And you take one of those two away,

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Speaker 3: I don't think either of those guys are as good.

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Speaker 1: So Lak Brown is an elite defender, elite elite, but

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Speaker 1: there's no gong Bas Evans just get well, is okay there?

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Speaker 4: Wait, can I hap it? Let me hop in here

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Speaker 4: real quick. I don't think Caiden Boozer is that good.

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't want him my full time point guard.

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Speaker 1: Oh Cayden okay? Jesus, I was like, wait, I thought

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Speaker 1: we were You said, can Bruiser, wait.

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Speaker 4: When Caden's when Caden's out of the game. Are you

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Speaker 4: doing some funky stuff where like Isaiah Evans Evans is

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Speaker 4: not a point guard, they don't want to run like,

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Speaker 4: are you just doing inverted stuff where it's Malik and

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Speaker 4: Boozer initiating They're gonna they're.

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Speaker 5: Gonna experiment with point can Boozer and that that's the

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Speaker 5: interesting thing from a Shire perspective, because I think Foster's

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Speaker 5: out for the year. He's on a scooter and and

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Speaker 5: do people are acting like he's not coming.

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Speaker 1: Back, and Bungle's in a boot, so like when's he

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Speaker 1: gonna be good?

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Speaker 3: Right?

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Speaker 5: So if you're Shyer, it's one of those things where,

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Speaker 5: like you, you probably have one sense of we have

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Speaker 5: a six man rotation, let's just make it out of

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Speaker 5: this week healthy, this doesn't matter. But then on the

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Speaker 5: other hand, if this is the group a week later.

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Speaker 1: You want to figure things out, you need to experiment

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Speaker 1: with it. Yeah, So yeah, makes it a lot more

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Speaker 1: makes this tournament a lot more interesting. But I agree

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Speaker 1: can't shoot. A couple of questions I have before we

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Speaker 4: Like will Wade has already kind of done his job,

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Speaker 4: you know, he's proven that they're gonna be good under him,

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Speaker 1: Preseens him Player of the Year I know, which.

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Speaker 4: Honestly, they were they were There was a world where

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Speaker 2: Looked really good. I was like drinking SMU kool aid.

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Speaker 4: So I don't see them turning it around without baj

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and then Louisville. I'm tired of doing the Mike

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Speaker 3: Well, just quickly on the bubble.

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Speaker 5: It also helps that the bubble collectively went zero to

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Speaker 3: This is a disaster at a national level right now.

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Speaker 1: But you can't fall off the bubble if everybody he loses.

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Speaker 3: I'm on Miami boys.

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Speaker 5: pouring in from the logo, and then Miami still had

434
00:20:37,160 --> 00:20:38,080
Speaker 5: a chance to win late.

435
00:20:38,440 --> 00:20:42,400
Speaker 3: You look at the Virginia matchup. They lost.

436
00:20:42,760 --> 00:20:46,720
Speaker 5: By three, but they now rebounded them by seven in

437
00:20:46,760 --> 00:20:47,200
Speaker 5: that game.

438
00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:48,200
Speaker 3: I think that bodes well.

439
00:20:48,240 --> 00:20:50,080
Speaker 5: It's a great rebounding team that isn't going to get

440
00:20:50,119 --> 00:20:53,320
Speaker 5: bullied by Virginia's biggs and get a little revenge in

441
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:55,520
Speaker 5: the path. I wish they had a more wide open side.

442
00:20:55,560 --> 00:20:57,359
Speaker 5: If they were on Duke's side. I think I would

443
00:20:57,480 --> 00:21:00,880
Speaker 5: honestly be betting them a little bit quicker than I am,

444
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:03,919
Speaker 5: because you know, I believe in Louisville's upside. They can

445
00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:06,159
Speaker 5: bomb you off the court any given time. Virginia is

446
00:21:06,200 --> 00:21:08,200
Speaker 5: the second best team in this league for good reason.

447
00:21:08,720 --> 00:21:11,560
Speaker 5: So it's not exactly the favorable draw that I wanted,

448
00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:14,080
Speaker 5: but I think they're built for it, and if anything,

449
00:21:14,119 --> 00:21:16,440
Speaker 5: I think you got a little extra value catching them

450
00:21:16,440 --> 00:21:17,280
Speaker 5: at a better number.

451
00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 3: So that's my play.

452
00:21:19,800 --> 00:21:23,159
Speaker 5: May I interest either of you in maybe throw a

453
00:21:23,240 --> 00:21:28,320
Speaker 5: nickel Atbuco Coryer three hundred to one, Kemba Walker run here.

454
00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:34,000
Speaker 2: No, but I think you selled Miami well to me there.

455
00:21:34,520 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 4: And like I've talked about Clemson, the reason I'm attracted

456
00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,680
Speaker 4: to Clemson is veteran front court, but like Rena and

457
00:21:41,000 --> 00:21:45,680
Speaker 4: Ude is the best possible front court defensively to play Duke,

458
00:21:46,119 --> 00:21:49,200
Speaker 4: and you mixing the injuries, you mix in Jay Lucas

459
00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,960
Speaker 4: and his defensive creativity and his understanding of the roster

460
00:21:53,400 --> 00:21:58,440
Speaker 4: without Caleb Foster, I don't think I was clear enough

461
00:21:58,560 --> 00:22:02,600
Speaker 4: with how much I kind of anti Caden Boozer to

462
00:22:02,680 --> 00:22:05,440
Speaker 4: be honest, Like Caleb Foster would get knocked by people

463
00:22:05,480 --> 00:22:07,480
Speaker 4: for like not scoring enough and stuff, but like he

464
00:22:07,520 --> 00:22:10,520
Speaker 4: did exactly what this team needs him to do, Like

465
00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,359
Speaker 4: he had moments and it was at Louisville when he

466
00:22:12,440 --> 00:22:14,479
Speaker 4: like can't get more aggressive going to the basket, like

467
00:22:15,000 --> 00:22:18,040
Speaker 4: his way of just quarterbacking and being there defensively and

468
00:22:18,119 --> 00:22:20,399
Speaker 4: understanding what to do, Like Cayden's just kind of like

469
00:22:20,440 --> 00:22:22,800
Speaker 4: a little loose, like he's just trying to push and transition,

470
00:22:22,960 --> 00:22:26,080
Speaker 4: and like obviously the three point shooting. I don't want

471
00:22:26,119 --> 00:22:28,080
Speaker 4: him playing thirty minutes. I think they are a much

472
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:29,840
Speaker 4: worse team with him playing thirty minutes. I'm not saying

473
00:22:30,240 --> 00:22:32,120
Speaker 4: they're not still by far the best team in the league.

474
00:22:32,200 --> 00:22:34,600
Speaker 4: But like you said, Greg, Miami was right there against

475
00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,600
Speaker 4: Virginia and Louisville, and I thought they were honestly deserved

476
00:22:37,600 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 4: to win both those games. You talk about the Lucas

477
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,800
Speaker 4: Layer and the fact that Miami's the wild card for Duke.

478
00:22:43,880 --> 00:22:47,119
Speaker 4: Duke hasn't seen them yet, and this is not the

479
00:22:47,119 --> 00:22:50,359
Speaker 4: best form of Duke. Injuries at this point of season.

480
00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:53,280
Speaker 4: Is always the most difficult thing to figure out when

481
00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,560
Speaker 4: handicapping is how much like you look at Arkansas, you

482
00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,680
Speaker 4: stay without a cuff. It's like, Okay, well, I guess

483
00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,679
Speaker 4: if lak Thomas isn't Goldna missed a three there, they're fine.

484
00:23:00,760 --> 00:23:01,399
Speaker 2: But I don't know.

485
00:23:01,520 --> 00:23:03,800
Speaker 4: I think I'm not as worried about Gong Boo because

486
00:23:03,800 --> 00:23:04,840
Speaker 4: I love Malik Brown.

487
00:23:04,680 --> 00:23:08,520
Speaker 2: So much, but kill Foster is a real issue, especially.

488
00:23:08,200 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 4: When it's a front court like Oude and Renau that

489
00:23:09,720 --> 00:23:12,159
Speaker 4: can make booze er not go for thirty and he

490
00:23:12,200 --> 00:23:13,440
Speaker 4: has to trust his teammates more.

491
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:15,399
Speaker 1: I also will say, though, in regards to Brown, like

492
00:23:15,400 --> 00:23:17,640
Speaker 1: I mentioned earlier, one of the reasons he's so effective,

493
00:23:17,640 --> 00:23:20,639
Speaker 1: I mean his energy, like he doesn't so only he

494
00:23:20,680 --> 00:23:24,760
Speaker 1: doesn't he only plays well like normally twenty twenty five minutes. Yes,

495
00:23:25,080 --> 00:23:26,399
Speaker 1: I know, but I'm saying, like, if he has to

496
00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:30,600
Speaker 1: play thirty to thirty five, is he as effective on

497
00:23:30,720 --> 00:23:32,400
Speaker 1: our four games in four days? Right?

498
00:23:32,480 --> 00:23:32,560
Speaker 2: Like?

499
00:23:32,600 --> 00:23:35,440
Speaker 1: So that's where I think not having Gongoo could really hurt.

500
00:23:35,800 --> 00:23:37,560
Speaker 1: All right, let's move on to the Big Twelve. By

501
00:23:37,560 --> 00:23:40,800
Speaker 1: the way I mention the acc We'll go from Tuesday

502
00:23:40,880 --> 00:23:45,960
Speaker 1: to Saturday in Charlotte, North Carolina. Big twelve will also

503
00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:50,320
Speaker 1: kick off on Tuesday at T Mobile in Kansas City.

504
00:23:51,080 --> 00:23:55,560
Speaker 1: It's a big one. There are sixteen teams. Arizona is

505
00:23:55,600 --> 00:23:59,240
Speaker 1: the top seed and favorite at around even money. Houston

506
00:23:59,320 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: is the two seed, the second favorite round two to one,

507
00:24:02,600 --> 00:24:04,760
Speaker 1: and Kansas to the three seed around ten to one.

508
00:24:04,840 --> 00:24:08,159
Speaker 1: Iowa State is next. Is actually a better adds even

509
00:24:08,200 --> 00:24:10,240
Speaker 1: though they play in the second round as the five seed,

510
00:24:10,240 --> 00:24:14,359
Speaker 1: they're around seven eight to one. Texas Tech's the four seed,

511
00:24:15,040 --> 00:24:17,760
Speaker 1: but they're eighteen to one. A lot of that is

512
00:24:18,240 --> 00:24:22,199
Speaker 1: no topping and injuries were a huge storyline of the

513
00:24:22,200 --> 00:24:24,880
Speaker 1: Big Twelve down the stretch BYU not the same team

514
00:24:24,920 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 1: without Saunders, Texas Tech not the same team without top

515
00:24:27,920 --> 00:24:31,600
Speaker 1: and Also, both those teams now really lack depth. They

516
00:24:31,680 --> 00:24:34,800
Speaker 1: already lacked depth. Now it's even more of an issue,

517
00:24:34,840 --> 00:24:38,080
Speaker 1: which is going to become problematic in a setting where

518
00:24:38,320 --> 00:24:40,480
Speaker 1: I mean, BYU, they play in the first round, they

519
00:24:40,520 --> 00:24:43,720
Speaker 1: drop to the ten seed. They're not winning five games

520
00:24:43,800 --> 00:24:46,120
Speaker 1: in five days, which is why they're one hundred to one.

521
00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:47,880
Speaker 1: I get de bans that can take you know, can

522
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,720
Speaker 1: take over any game, but especially away from home. They're

523
00:24:50,720 --> 00:24:54,000
Speaker 1: three hundred and thirty seven par asthmetrics easy cross off BYU.

524
00:24:54,520 --> 00:24:56,080
Speaker 1: I get why some people want to throw some couch

525
00:24:56,119 --> 00:24:57,720
Speaker 1: chains there. And the same thing with Texas Tech, like

526
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:01,920
Speaker 1: without their depth, without topping, I get McCaslin and but nope,

527
00:25:02,280 --> 00:25:04,240
Speaker 1: no thank you there. And I can't get to the

528
00:25:04,280 --> 00:25:06,640
Speaker 1: price on Arizona at even money. I make them around

529
00:25:06,720 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 1: like forty percent, which is a lot of respect. But

530
00:25:09,400 --> 00:25:11,560
Speaker 1: I think around even money is disrespectful to the rest

531
00:25:11,560 --> 00:25:14,239
Speaker 1: of the Big twelve, although they you know, they do

532
00:25:14,320 --> 00:25:17,280
Speaker 1: get the benefit of if Chalk holds Texas Tech without

533
00:25:17,320 --> 00:25:20,240
Speaker 1: top and in the semis Greg, I'll go to you,

534
00:25:20,240 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: what are you saying in the Big twelve?

535
00:25:22,000 --> 00:25:23,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm about where you are.

536
00:25:23,960 --> 00:25:26,919
Speaker 5: I mean, I could easily see Arizona just running through this.

537
00:25:27,200 --> 00:25:30,000
Speaker 5: But it's a league full of teams that I think

538
00:25:30,000 --> 00:25:32,879
Speaker 5: are Final four contenders, a few national title contenders, So

539
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:36,000
Speaker 5: you know, it makes you want to stretch outside that group.

540
00:25:36,000 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 5: In the top two, Houston at plus two twenty, I

541
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:42,400
Speaker 5: would just wait to bet them in a potential game

542
00:25:42,400 --> 00:25:45,399
Speaker 5: against Arizona. If you believe Houston can win that game,

543
00:25:45,800 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 5: still get them at plus money by the time you

544
00:25:47,560 --> 00:25:50,840
Speaker 5: get there. For me, I'm looking at two teams that

545
00:25:50,920 --> 00:25:54,280
Speaker 5: I think are appetizing at the current price. I like

546
00:25:54,400 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 5: Kansas eight to one. I like their draw a lot.

547
00:25:58,119 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 5: I think they handle that first matchup. Again, it's TCU,

548
00:26:01,320 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 5: it's likely going to TCU, could I guess be Colorado

549
00:26:03,720 --> 00:26:07,760
Speaker 5: Oklahoma State. But if you envisioned them in a semi

550
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:11,480
Speaker 5: they already handled Houston well. I think they have had

551
00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,880
Speaker 5: Peterson on the floor more consistently than we expected two

552
00:26:14,880 --> 00:26:16,480
Speaker 5: weeks ago at this point.

553
00:26:16,440 --> 00:26:17,800
Speaker 3: And they've found some answers.

554
00:26:17,880 --> 00:26:20,160
Speaker 5: Even though there have obviously been a lot of downs

555
00:26:20,200 --> 00:26:23,399
Speaker 5: and the losing stretch wasn't great, we know that in

556
00:26:23,440 --> 00:26:25,400
Speaker 5: big games they've been steady.

557
00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 2: Now they are.

558
00:26:26,240 --> 00:26:27,880
Speaker 3: Gonna have Allen Field House behind them.

559
00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:30,800
Speaker 5: But you're basically saying, can we get Peterson at his

560
00:26:30,880 --> 00:26:34,560
Speaker 5: best for thirty minutes to win two games against Houston

561
00:26:34,560 --> 00:26:36,919
Speaker 5: in Arizona at eight to one? I think that's a

562
00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:40,080
Speaker 5: reasonabull bet. And then Iowa State is the team I

563
00:26:40,119 --> 00:26:42,600
Speaker 5: want to bet here, but I just hate the draw

564
00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,840
Speaker 5: plus seven fifty for them. Texas Tech got them already

565
00:26:49,280 --> 00:26:54,480
Speaker 5: now no topping revenge, sure, but can they go Texas Tech,

566
00:26:54,560 --> 00:26:59,199
Speaker 5: then Arizona and the semi then a Houston That sounds

567
00:26:59,240 --> 00:27:01,040
Speaker 5: like a big ass of this.

568
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:04,199
Speaker 3: Group that really relies on three guys.

569
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,919
Speaker 5: I love those three guys, and I think they have

570
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,920
Speaker 5: championship DNA within them and want to go out on.

571
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:11,600
Speaker 2: A high note.

572
00:27:11,760 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 5: And I think at their best they're absolutely capable of

573
00:27:14,160 --> 00:27:16,879
Speaker 5: rattling off those three straight wins. But to me, if

574
00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:19,320
Speaker 5: you can flip the draw Iowa State in Kansas, I'd

575
00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:21,560
Speaker 5: be all over Iowa State if the price stayed the same.

576
00:27:22,160 --> 00:27:24,600
Speaker 5: Kansas at eight to one is probably my favorite play

577
00:27:24,640 --> 00:27:26,160
Speaker 5: here just looking at the way it shook out.

578
00:27:26,880 --> 00:27:30,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm thinking about Iowa State. I wanted like eight fifty.

579
00:27:30,720 --> 00:27:32,920
Speaker 1: I make them like eleven percent. Remember it's Hilton South,

580
00:27:33,400 --> 00:27:36,000
Speaker 1: so they haven't been like they're three hundred and I

581
00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 1: mean they're not they haven't been the same team away

582
00:27:37,760 --> 00:27:41,119
Speaker 1: from home, but they're gonna have like home home court

583
00:27:41,760 --> 00:27:46,040
Speaker 1: semi edge here along with Kansas, but they'll have a

584
00:27:46,160 --> 00:27:49,520
Speaker 1: huge contingent of fans. And I think you we're like

585
00:27:49,560 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 1: buying low in Iowa State. They finally woke up out

586
00:27:51,600 --> 00:27:54,480
Speaker 1: of a slumber in that second half against Arizona State.

587
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:56,760
Speaker 1: But I think what happened is they beat Kansas and

588
00:27:56,800 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: Houston on that weekend and then they had to go

589
00:28:00,600 --> 00:28:03,840
Speaker 1: to BYU and altitude to Utah, and then they came

590
00:28:03,880 --> 00:28:06,119
Speaker 1: home for Texas Tech after that altitude trip, and then

591
00:28:06,119 --> 00:28:08,840
Speaker 1: they had to go immediately to Arizona. It was like,

592
00:28:08,920 --> 00:28:10,639
Speaker 1: that's just a brutal two week stretch after you had

593
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:13,720
Speaker 1: two top five wins, still hung over against Arizona State,

594
00:28:13,760 --> 00:28:16,280
Speaker 1: and I think they finally woke up. They're three hundred

595
00:28:16,440 --> 00:28:19,760
Speaker 1: and fifty six the momentum. They they hadn't made a three.

596
00:28:20,240 --> 00:28:22,400
Speaker 1: I think they're shooting thirty two percent from three since

597
00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:25,800
Speaker 1: February first. So like home contingent, I can see Iowa State.

598
00:28:25,840 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 1: I wanted a little better price, but that's who I

599
00:28:29,600 --> 00:28:32,720
Speaker 1: think I'm considering. You have the revenge and they match

600
00:28:32,800 --> 00:28:34,760
Speaker 1: up decent against Arizona. I think they just caught them

601
00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,399
Speaker 1: at a bad spot they were and Texas Tech. I

602
00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:40,160
Speaker 1: get tex Tech one at Hilton, but they made some

603
00:28:40,240 --> 00:28:42,480
Speaker 1: crazy shots in that game. I don't know if I

604
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:46,560
Speaker 1: can trust Kansas away from home. They're just so inconsistent.

605
00:28:48,120 --> 00:28:51,040
Speaker 1: You just never know what you're gonna get their offense,

606
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,320
Speaker 1: just as you know their defense is going to show up.

607
00:28:53,400 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 1: But yeah, if I had to go a second pick,

608
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,680
Speaker 1: I think I would agree with you. I will say, though,

609
00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:02,040
Speaker 1: here's two interesting tip. Its tc who plays up. I mean,

610
00:29:02,040 --> 00:29:04,479
Speaker 1: they play up against everybody, and they should have won

611
00:29:04,600 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: at Kansas. They completely melted down in Allen Fieldhouse, which

612
00:29:08,680 --> 00:29:10,320
Speaker 1: is very hard to do. They had that game completely

613
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:13,560
Speaker 1: in controlled, lost in overtime. But did you know, and

614
00:29:13,640 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 1: this is I will not this is not for the

615
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:19,800
Speaker 1: future purposes, but did you know you know TCU's playing incredible,

616
00:29:19,800 --> 00:29:21,800
Speaker 1: played their way into the field already in my opinion

617
00:29:21,920 --> 00:29:25,440
Speaker 1: eight and two since February first, per Torfick, since February first,

618
00:29:25,520 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: you know, has been better than TCU by one spot Colorado.

619
00:29:28,760 --> 00:29:32,160
Speaker 1: They are top fifty teams in Stebruary first, one spot

620
00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,960
Speaker 1: ahead the TCU, and it's not three point driven, and

621
00:29:35,200 --> 00:29:38,320
Speaker 1: they're an extremely young team playing its best ball. So

622
00:29:38,360 --> 00:29:40,840
Speaker 1: like they finally they've come together, they figured some things out.

623
00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:43,560
Speaker 1: We'll see if they get rancheted back from injury, I

624
00:29:43,560 --> 00:29:45,800
Speaker 1: think will be questionable in that first game. So that

625
00:29:45,880 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 1: first game against Oklahoma State, Oklahoma State team that lost

626
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:52,240
Speaker 1: falla they're big for the year, That first game and

627
00:29:52,280 --> 00:29:54,920
Speaker 1: then against TCU could be interesting. The only thing is

628
00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:58,480
Speaker 1: do I trust Colorado away from home? They are not

629
00:29:58,600 --> 00:30:01,680
Speaker 1: the same team away from that altitude, But Christian cares

630
00:30:01,680 --> 00:30:02,959
Speaker 1: to get your thoughts at the top and if you're

631
00:30:02,960 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: where you're seeing any potential value in the Big twelve.

632
00:30:06,120 --> 00:30:08,200
Speaker 2: Colorad would beat the crap out of TCU at home.

633
00:30:09,080 --> 00:30:11,280
Speaker 4: They're a tough matchup, especially with the ranching in there,

634
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:15,560
Speaker 4: just with the size in the front court and TCU's

635
00:30:15,560 --> 00:30:17,680
Speaker 4: guards and punish them the way that some of these teams.

636
00:30:18,040 --> 00:30:18,800
Speaker 2: My might us with.

637
00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:21,560
Speaker 4: Colorado is they've just gotten clab ORed by some of

638
00:30:21,600 --> 00:30:23,480
Speaker 4: the best teams in the league.

639
00:30:23,920 --> 00:30:25,800
Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not saying for a future. I'm saying for

640
00:30:25,840 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 1: that first meeting, sure against oak State and then potentially

641
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:33,560
Speaker 1: against TCU. You know, they could win two games in

642
00:30:33,640 --> 00:30:36,160
Speaker 1: Oklahoma State needs to score at the rim. It's hard

643
00:30:36,160 --> 00:30:38,360
Speaker 1: to do against this Colorado team with all their size.

644
00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:41,800
Speaker 1: So and Oak State dosn't won a game in regulation

645
00:30:41,880 --> 00:30:46,640
Speaker 1: since February fourth, and they could beat TCU as well,

646
00:30:46,680 --> 00:30:47,120
Speaker 1: but gain.

647
00:30:47,800 --> 00:30:52,520
Speaker 2: So I am out on Iowa State. I'm out on

648
00:30:52,560 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 2: Iowa State.

649
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:56,000
Speaker 1: And Turning or in general in general.

650
00:30:56,000 --> 00:30:58,200
Speaker 4: But I want to say in this tournament twenty twenty four,

651
00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:02,200
Speaker 4: they won every game by double digits and that environment

652
00:31:02,240 --> 00:31:04,800
Speaker 4: was rocking, like it felt like a home environment. Last

653
00:31:04,880 --> 00:31:08,120
Speaker 4: year they crushed Cincinnati and then lost to BYU in

654
00:31:08,120 --> 00:31:11,040
Speaker 4: a game where BYU hit eighteen threes. But in terms

655
00:31:11,080 --> 00:31:14,680
Speaker 4: of Otzoberger and i State, he's always gotten, you know,

656
00:31:15,080 --> 00:31:16,920
Speaker 4: high effort from these guys. This tournament means a lot

657
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:18,520
Speaker 4: from them, and there really are a ton of Iowa

658
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:19,400
Speaker 4: State fans there.

659
00:31:20,760 --> 00:31:22,640
Speaker 2: They'll be favorite agains by us year.

660
00:31:22,640 --> 00:31:24,800
Speaker 1: By the way, when Gilbert and Lipsey didn't play, so

661
00:31:24,880 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: that you got to mention that too, Vy you made

662
00:31:26,880 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 1: eighteen threes and it still was ninety six to ninety two.

663
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,320
Speaker 2: Right, That's what I'm saying. I'm saying they've been fantastic

664
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,840
Speaker 2: in this tournament. Yeah. The reason I say I'm out

665
00:31:33,840 --> 00:31:34,080
Speaker 2: on them.

666
00:31:34,120 --> 00:31:36,640
Speaker 4: I totally understand the scheduling difficulty at the end of

667
00:31:36,680 --> 00:31:41,360
Speaker 4: the season, but man, offensively, they've just looked really bad

668
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:45,800
Speaker 4: in for stretches and it's just like Joshua Jefferson feeling

669
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:48,440
Speaker 4: the need to shoulder stuff like Tim and Lipsey just

670
00:31:48,480 --> 00:31:51,600
Speaker 4: not being able to give you a real dimension of

671
00:31:51,640 --> 00:31:53,600
Speaker 4: a threat at the point corp position to score, and

672
00:31:53,640 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 4: it's like you need guys like Bateman and Heisei to shoot.

673
00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:58,040
Speaker 4: I think that, like I said, they'll be favorite in

674
00:31:58,080 --> 00:32:01,240
Speaker 4: sex attack. I have zero faith against in them against Arizona.

675
00:32:01,720 --> 00:32:06,000
Speaker 4: Their one outlet though, is if something happens to Arizona.

676
00:32:06,240 --> 00:32:08,360
Speaker 2: And there's a reason Cincinnati.

677
00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 4: Is the six methods to win this tournament, and Cincinnati

678
00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:14,440
Speaker 4: has been playing much better. I know people have cooled

679
00:32:14,440 --> 00:32:16,520
Speaker 4: off the hype a little bit just because they couldn't

680
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:22,760
Speaker 4: keep just not losing. But man, Cincinnati, when they played Arizona,

681
00:32:22,760 --> 00:32:25,000
Speaker 4: they lost seventy seven to fifty one. At that time,

682
00:32:25,040 --> 00:32:26,800
Speaker 4: you're getting eighteen minutes from Shanabayev.

683
00:32:27,520 --> 00:32:30,080
Speaker 1: You know it was tied at half too. In Arizona,

684
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:30,920
Speaker 1: they just got trust.

685
00:32:31,040 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 4: Not a single three pointer was hit by their starting lineup.

686
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,520
Speaker 4: I think this could be a gross game in the

687
00:32:39,600 --> 00:32:43,600
Speaker 4: in the low sixties. I think Cincinnati might have bet

688
00:32:43,680 --> 00:32:45,560
Speaker 4: a top three team that has a chance to beat

689
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:47,560
Speaker 4: I think Cincinnati's a very chance to beat Arizona than

690
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:50,520
Speaker 4: Texas Tech or Iowa State. Do I think they can

691
00:32:50,560 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 4: then go turn around and then beat.

692
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 2: Kansas or Houston other bracket. That's a lot to ask.

693
00:32:54,880 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 4: But if you bet them at forty five to one

694
00:32:57,560 --> 00:32:59,680
Speaker 4: and they get to the championship, you'll have an opportunity

695
00:32:59,680 --> 00:33:02,000
Speaker 4: to get out of there. So Cincinnati is definitely my

696
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 4: favorite long shot here. I'm not really afraid of UCF

697
00:33:06,520 --> 00:33:08,640
Speaker 4: filing to take care of business there, but Cincinnati can

698
00:33:08,720 --> 00:33:12,840
Speaker 4: make Arizona play a game different from the types of

699
00:33:12,880 --> 00:33:14,960
Speaker 4: games they're playing against Iowas Date in Texas Tech.

700
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 2: So I think Cincinnati is definitely worth a look.

701
00:33:17,720 --> 00:33:19,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean the problem for me is that, like

702
00:33:19,800 --> 00:33:21,600
Speaker 1: I mean number one, since he has been better, they

703
00:33:21,720 --> 00:33:23,880
Speaker 1: changed the lineup. You know, they got healthier in the

704
00:33:23,920 --> 00:33:26,640
Speaker 1: back or playing basically two point guards. They have elite size.

705
00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:30,560
Speaker 1: Part of that has been three point fuel though, I

706
00:33:30,560 --> 00:33:34,480
Speaker 1: mean there since February one, shooting forty three percent from three.

707
00:33:34,920 --> 00:33:36,360
Speaker 2: But Daydae Thomas can shoot.

708
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:39,160
Speaker 1: I know they're not forty three percent three point shoots

709
00:33:39,200 --> 00:33:41,520
Speaker 1: and teams are shooting only twenty nine percent, so that's

710
00:33:41,840 --> 00:33:45,000
Speaker 1: helped it a little. But they're no doubt a different team,

711
00:33:45,600 --> 00:33:48,280
Speaker 1: completely different with some of the lineup changes. But it's

712
00:33:48,360 --> 00:33:50,160
Speaker 1: two things can be true. They're also been aided by

713
00:33:50,520 --> 00:33:52,480
Speaker 1: some three point lock. I mean even yesterday against I

714
00:33:52,520 --> 00:33:55,240
Speaker 1: mean the TCU, they chopp what forty plus pents? You

715
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:59,440
Speaker 1: only got twenty six percent and they lost that game.

716
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:01,880
Speaker 1: I I see since he the third game in three

717
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:05,920
Speaker 1: days beating arrested Arizona team. That's that's where it gets

718
00:34:05,920 --> 00:34:09,000
Speaker 1: tricky for me. Yeah, they'd have to huggle it up,

719
00:34:09,440 --> 00:34:11,520
Speaker 1: but I can't quite get there. I would need what

720
00:34:11,560 --> 00:34:14,279
Speaker 1: doll I have sinciat. Yeah, I would need like you

721
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:16,759
Speaker 1: can find them eighty to one. I need like two

722
00:34:16,840 --> 00:34:20,200
Speaker 1: under to one. Arizona State's playing better on the backs

723
00:34:20,239 --> 00:34:22,600
Speaker 1: of their defense. They have an interesting game against Baylor.

724
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:25,440
Speaker 1: Baylor's offense has been really good. I mean they've been

725
00:34:25,480 --> 00:34:27,920
Speaker 1: a top they've been a top thirty team since February first.

726
00:34:28,200 --> 00:34:30,759
Speaker 1: They still have point guard issues. They'll turn it over

727
00:34:30,800 --> 00:34:33,359
Speaker 1: and they can't defend at the rim. But do they

728
00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,800
Speaker 1: break out the zone We've seen Drew do that. Do

729
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,400
Speaker 1: they break out the zone against Arizona State in that

730
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:42,000
Speaker 1: first game? And Arizona States only really seems zone in

731
00:34:42,000 --> 00:34:44,000
Speaker 1: one game this year against Colorado and a loss, and

732
00:34:44,560 --> 00:34:46,680
Speaker 1: they've really profile as a team to zone. They're not

733
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 1: great shooting team. So that's an interesting storyline. You know what,

734
00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:54,680
Speaker 1: bet I'm probably gonna make in the first round. Kansas

735
00:34:54,760 --> 00:35:00,880
Speaker 1: State catching double digits they against BYU. First of all,

736
00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:03,680
Speaker 1: BYU coming off that big win against Texas Tech, they

737
00:35:03,719 --> 00:35:06,799
Speaker 1: have no depth. Kansas State's gonna run try and wear

738
00:35:06,840 --> 00:35:09,080
Speaker 1: them down. By US three hundred and thirty, seventh away

739
00:35:09,080 --> 00:35:11,759
Speaker 1: from home, but this Kansas State team, they're ninth away

740
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:13,880
Speaker 1: from home. They've had injuries, they've gotten healthier, they got

741
00:35:13,960 --> 00:35:16,720
Speaker 1: my Grift back. They can't rebound at all, but BYU

742
00:35:16,760 --> 00:35:19,239
Speaker 1: is not a good rebounding team, and BYU won't turn

743
00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:22,280
Speaker 1: Kansas State over, which is a huge issue. Kansas State's

744
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,759
Speaker 1: playing in Kansas City. They've been a much better team

745
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,800
Speaker 1: since Tags has gone. Maybe there was some other issues

746
00:35:28,840 --> 00:35:31,120
Speaker 1: going on. I think Kansas State getting a big number,

747
00:35:31,200 --> 00:35:32,560
Speaker 1: it's worth a look. I think they can keep it

748
00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:37,799
Speaker 1: close against BYU. Do I have anything else not really.

749
00:35:37,840 --> 00:35:40,279
Speaker 1: I mean, you see f I They've they cratered down

750
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,920
Speaker 1: the stretch. It's it's been ugly to watch West Virginia.

751
00:35:44,080 --> 00:35:46,279
Speaker 1: They just don't have the horses. They're gonna slow games down.

752
00:35:46,440 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: They're well coached, good defense, they just don't have the

753
00:35:48,160 --> 00:35:53,320
Speaker 1: horses on offense. But I think that's all the notes.

754
00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,279
Speaker 1: I think I'm gonna go with Iowa State. I'm gonna

755
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:57,399
Speaker 1: try and chop around. I would have loved like an

756
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,560
Speaker 1: eight fifty nine hundred. Not true.

757
00:36:00,600 --> 00:36:02,000
Speaker 4: You guys got to tell me how i Was State

758
00:36:02,080 --> 00:36:05,200
Speaker 4: can be Arizona. I mean understand that Big Monday was

759
00:36:05,239 --> 00:36:07,680
Speaker 4: not I would stated at their best, but like, I

760
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:08,680
Speaker 4: don't see it at all.

761
00:36:09,440 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: I mean, they swept them last year.

762
00:36:12,160 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: And right, here's the thing.

763
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 1: Arizona is, like, I don't think that they're completely invincible

764
00:36:22,920 --> 00:36:28,719
Speaker 1: in attorney setting because they don't shoot threes. So if

765
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,920
Speaker 1: a team is red hot against them, you know, it

766
00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:35,560
Speaker 1: just becomes a math issue. In Iowa State is certainly

767
00:36:35,600 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: capable of getting hot from the perimeter. I mean, Arizona's

768
00:36:40,239 --> 00:36:44,040
Speaker 1: floor is so high, that's the thing. And they're obviously

769
00:36:44,080 --> 00:36:46,279
Speaker 1: one of the five best teams in the sport. But

770
00:36:46,320 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: I'm just saying, like, if i Was State gets hot

771
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:51,719
Speaker 1: from three, I think that there's a path there. And

772
00:36:51,760 --> 00:36:54,480
Speaker 1: Arizona struggled some with Iowa State last year and they

773
00:36:54,480 --> 00:36:57,360
Speaker 1: had that miracle win because Caleb Love hit that shot,

774
00:36:57,960 --> 00:37:00,640
Speaker 1: and then they got blown out on the road. I mean, yeah,

775
00:37:00,760 --> 00:37:03,279
Speaker 1: Arizona probably wins more time than not, but I don't

776
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,440
Speaker 1: think it's completely out of the question that I Aloways

777
00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:07,120
Speaker 1: State beats them.

778
00:37:07,840 --> 00:37:10,239
Speaker 4: I mean the same thing I said about Duke, Like

779
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:14,040
Speaker 4: Arizona lost and the refs were absolutely off on that

780
00:37:14,080 --> 00:37:16,960
Speaker 4: game and Lawrence and I understand that it's no Darren Pearson,

781
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:20,399
Speaker 4: but in the Texas Tech game, another Texas Tech gym

782
00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 4: to steal one like this, the idea of the three

783
00:37:23,520 --> 00:37:27,160
Speaker 4: point regression being the three point thing being a problem.

784
00:37:27,040 --> 00:37:29,759
Speaker 2: I'm just I don't know. I'm out on that. I

785
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:31,040
Speaker 2: don't go ahead, Greg, No.

786
00:37:31,120 --> 00:37:34,800
Speaker 5: It's like I said, I wish it was a potential

787
00:37:34,880 --> 00:37:39,000
Speaker 5: championship meeting instead of the semi I don't love where

788
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:43,480
Speaker 5: Iowa State sits in the draw, but yeah, I think

789
00:37:43,600 --> 00:37:47,239
Speaker 5: just in general, the whole Zona cell pitch is just

790
00:37:47,320 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 5: they don't shoot enough threes at any given game. If

791
00:37:50,200 --> 00:37:51,799
Speaker 5: a team gets hot. That's what you need to do

792
00:37:51,840 --> 00:37:54,080
Speaker 5: to beat Arizona. It's like the only way to beat Arizona.

793
00:37:54,600 --> 00:37:57,400
Speaker 5: But a team with the most prolific three point shooter

794
00:37:57,480 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 5: in the world is a pretty good one to try

795
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 5: and pitch you on that for you need a great

796
00:38:02,120 --> 00:38:04,919
Speaker 5: Mom Chilovich game. You need like a seven for ten

797
00:38:05,000 --> 00:38:07,680
Speaker 5: from three to night from Milan. I don't think that's

798
00:38:07,719 --> 00:38:09,759
Speaker 5: out of the question. In that matchup. I think the

799
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:13,120
Speaker 5: starters were three for nineteen in the first game, lost

800
00:38:13,160 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 5: by sixteen.

801
00:38:14,400 --> 00:38:16,920
Speaker 3: I mean, you got to get to nine for nineteen.

802
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:19,560
Speaker 3: Can you do that in one game? I think they

803
00:38:19,560 --> 00:38:21,520
Speaker 3: could let me add this in.

804
00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,400
Speaker 4: I understand the three point like, hitting a lot more

805
00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,919
Speaker 4: threes in them is like the logical path to beating them.

806
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 2: But the way I.

807
00:38:29,080 --> 00:38:33,160
Speaker 4: See it is, there's a game from Friday, November fourteenth

808
00:38:33,560 --> 00:38:36,960
Speaker 4: that I think sneakily tells the story, and it's as

809
00:38:36,960 --> 00:38:39,480
Speaker 4: the UCLA only lost sixty nine to sixty five Arizona.

810
00:38:39,840 --> 00:38:40,560
Speaker 2: You gotta have there.

811
00:38:40,880 --> 00:38:43,040
Speaker 4: There's gotta be less possessions in the game. You got

812
00:38:43,040 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 4: to make it a half court game.

813
00:38:44,320 --> 00:38:45,120
Speaker 2: Houston. Yeah.

814
00:38:45,440 --> 00:38:46,720
Speaker 1: One, you gotta keep them out of transition.

815
00:38:47,040 --> 00:38:49,160
Speaker 4: Yes, that's what I'm saying, like Houston it was seventy

816
00:38:49,200 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 4: three sixty six, Like Texas Tech made it a half

817
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:54,200
Speaker 4: court game, like they took care of the ball, they

818
00:38:54,320 --> 00:38:57,239
Speaker 4: used the clock, Like that's how you beat them in

819
00:38:57,280 --> 00:38:59,920
Speaker 4: an Iowa State if they're going to beat them in

820
00:39:00,120 --> 00:39:01,719
Speaker 4: aims and it's like a hole and.

821
00:39:01,719 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 2: They're hitting threes, like it's because they're.

822
00:39:03,320 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 4: Like running up and like, I don't know, I just

823
00:39:06,000 --> 00:39:08,600
Speaker 4: I don't see them outscoring Arizona and being able to

824
00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:13,000
Speaker 4: score like eighty seventy eighty to like beat them. And

825
00:39:13,280 --> 00:39:16,200
Speaker 4: if it's in the half court, Arizona's half court offense

826
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:18,920
Speaker 4: is just so much more poent. I don't know, I

827
00:39:18,960 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 4: know you, I'm the I have the easier side of

828
00:39:21,160 --> 00:39:21,840
Speaker 4: the argument because I.

829
00:39:21,920 --> 00:39:24,640
Speaker 1: Know I agree Arizona's are going to be a favorite,

830
00:39:24,640 --> 00:39:27,040
Speaker 1: but like, yeah, they're they're even money to win the

831
00:39:27,080 --> 00:39:29,640
Speaker 1: tournament and Arizona Iowa State it's like eight to one,

832
00:39:29,680 --> 00:39:32,080
Speaker 1: eight the one. So that's I.

833
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:33,680
Speaker 2: Might be too hard on Ioas Day. I just don't

834
00:39:33,680 --> 00:39:34,960
Speaker 2: think they're a top ten team.

835
00:39:35,160 --> 00:39:37,880
Speaker 1: I think Jefferson, I mean part of the I'm telling you,

836
00:39:37,920 --> 00:39:39,600
Speaker 1: part of it was the trial, like the travel and

837
00:39:40,120 --> 00:39:42,600
Speaker 1: but like they ask a lot of one core guy,

838
00:39:42,640 --> 00:39:45,880
Speaker 1: which is you know, one core group of guys. Jefferson

839
00:39:45,880 --> 00:39:47,840
Speaker 1: didn't look at the same you mentioned they're offense. Jefferson

840
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:50,879
Speaker 1: didn't look the same down the stretch, and he might

841
00:39:50,960 --> 00:39:54,799
Speaker 1: just be worn down. So I always stay for their

842
00:39:54,880 --> 00:39:58,040
Speaker 1: turning chances might be better off, like with an early exit here.

843
00:39:58,560 --> 00:40:00,400
Speaker 1: I always think that about some teams, right that are

844
00:40:00,480 --> 00:40:03,279
Speaker 1: relying on just a few guys. Why go and like

845
00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:06,560
Speaker 1: win four games in four days. Just wear yourself down

846
00:40:06,600 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: some more. Then difference between like a two and a

847
00:40:09,239 --> 00:40:11,560
Speaker 1: three seed, where obviously they're gonna try to win, but

848
00:40:11,560 --> 00:40:13,000
Speaker 1: it might end up being better off if you only

849
00:40:13,040 --> 00:40:18,000
Speaker 1: play two games. So anyway, uh, official pick who are

850
00:40:18,000 --> 00:40:18,520
Speaker 1: you gonna go with?

851
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,280
Speaker 5: I think Zona wins, yeah, but I'm betting Kansas.

852
00:40:23,600 --> 00:40:24,680
Speaker 3: That's my official bet.

853
00:40:24,920 --> 00:40:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm betting. I like Houston. I had a thirty three percent,

854
00:40:28,800 --> 00:40:30,920
Speaker 1: so I would need a little bit more. They're just look,

855
00:40:30,920 --> 00:40:33,239
Speaker 1: they're three hundred thirty first in consistency, three hundred and

856
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:35,640
Speaker 1: thirty third away from home. They take bad shots. Here's

857
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,960
Speaker 1: the thing with Houston and what they go. Did they

858
00:40:37,960 --> 00:40:42,640
Speaker 1: go all in three against Uh? I mean they didn't

859
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:44,920
Speaker 1: beat didn't they go all in three against the big

860
00:40:45,480 --> 00:40:48,840
Speaker 1: They lost to Iowa State, Arizona, and Kansas and split

861
00:40:48,880 --> 00:40:51,720
Speaker 1: with Texas Tech. Yeah, they didn't beat Iowa State, Arizona

862
00:40:51,800 --> 00:40:56,280
Speaker 1: or Kansas. I don't think Houston's gonna win the national title,

863
00:40:56,760 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 1: Like I don't think that they could they yeah, I mean,

864
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:00,600
Speaker 1: but a lot of people say that name. Like when

865
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,440
Speaker 1: you're like, who do you pick the winning after the

866
00:41:02,440 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: first four, a lot of people will say Houston. Their

867
00:41:05,360 --> 00:41:10,719
Speaker 1: offense was supposed to be this year Uber elite to

868
00:41:10,840 --> 00:41:12,719
Speaker 1: make up for the drop in defense, right, so their

869
00:41:12,719 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: defense is not as good. They're usually like number one.

870
00:41:15,080 --> 00:41:16,960
Speaker 1: It's even still really good, like on kempound, they're like

871
00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:20,360
Speaker 1: six effective field though they're like twenty. So it's it's dropped.

872
00:41:20,400 --> 00:41:23,440
Speaker 1: They missed, you know, some of their bigs. They missed Roberts,

873
00:41:23,520 --> 00:41:26,880
Speaker 1: and so their offense was supposed to be better. And

874
00:41:27,560 --> 00:41:30,400
Speaker 1: on the surface, yeah, the ceiling is higher because you

875
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,120
Speaker 1: have Flemings, who's going to play and at the next level.

876
00:41:34,360 --> 00:41:36,239
Speaker 1: But I don't know if he's hit a bunch of

877
00:41:36,280 --> 00:41:36,600
Speaker 1: a bit.

878
00:41:36,480 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 5: Of a wall.

879
00:41:37,440 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: I mean, he's what six of eight of twenty six

880
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,840
Speaker 1: from three over his past eleven games, and if you look,

881
00:41:43,239 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: last year they're adjusted offensive efficiency seventh, was twelfth this

882
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 1: year at seventeenth. So in order for them to win

883
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:55,399
Speaker 1: the national title because their defense is falling off, they

884
00:41:55,440 --> 00:41:58,200
Speaker 1: need their offense to be better than it was last

885
00:41:58,280 --> 00:42:02,480
Speaker 1: year and by a decent out, and it can't be

886
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:06,040
Speaker 1: seventeenth because they just they take too many bad shots,

887
00:42:06,080 --> 00:42:09,120
Speaker 1: They go through too many droughts, they never get to

888
00:42:09,160 --> 00:42:12,200
Speaker 1: the line, they foil too much. I mean, there are

889
00:42:12,239 --> 00:42:15,760
Speaker 1: three hundred and sixty fourth an average two point attempt distance.

890
00:42:16,920 --> 00:42:20,120
Speaker 1: That's that's tough to beat the elite teams doing that.

891
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:23,080
Speaker 2: So I don't know, I think that same number was

892
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:23,600
Speaker 2: last year.

893
00:42:23,640 --> 00:42:26,720
Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, they're not bad, They're not their offense,

894
00:42:27,640 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 1: I would argue, you could argue it's the same maybe

895
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,520
Speaker 1: with a little higher ceiling of Flemings, but it's not

896
00:42:33,640 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: significantly better. And I think their defense is is not

897
00:42:37,880 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: close to as lead as it was, So I don't

898
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,280
Speaker 1: think this team overall is as good now with Flemings,

899
00:42:44,320 --> 00:42:48,600
Speaker 1: he's capable of going for like forty right, and that

900
00:42:49,520 --> 00:42:51,799
Speaker 1: that unlocks like a maybe like a little bit of

901
00:42:52,000 --> 00:42:55,560
Speaker 1: upside in a big game. But I don't know. I'm

902
00:42:55,560 --> 00:42:57,879
Speaker 1: out on Houston as like a national title contender could

903
00:42:57,880 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: be wrong? Do you what do you think, Christian?

904
00:43:00,280 --> 00:43:04,080
Speaker 4: I'm still in on them as a title contender. It's

905
00:43:04,080 --> 00:43:07,040
Speaker 4: obviously a little scarier. The knock that I've gone to

906
00:43:07,040 --> 00:43:08,400
Speaker 4: a lot of people have said this too, is just

907
00:43:09,040 --> 00:43:11,400
Speaker 4: they wanted Tuggler to become what Roberts was as a

908
00:43:11,400 --> 00:43:13,080
Speaker 4: guy that you could slow the game down with, like

909
00:43:13,080 --> 00:43:14,800
Speaker 4: get a post touch too and they could go score,

910
00:43:14,800 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 4: and that just hasn't happened at all. Just to push

911
00:43:17,160 --> 00:43:18,560
Speaker 4: back on some of your notions, they have a higher

912
00:43:18,600 --> 00:43:20,080
Speaker 4: offensive rating as a team this year.

913
00:43:20,320 --> 00:43:22,120
Speaker 2: The sport is just better.

914
00:43:23,840 --> 00:43:25,960
Speaker 4: They're they're second best in the country taking care of it,

915
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:29,400
Speaker 4: and the three point percentage is the biggest difference.

916
00:43:29,440 --> 00:43:31,920
Speaker 1: But like, I think their offense is better with a

917
00:43:31,960 --> 00:43:34,320
Speaker 1: higher seat. But I mean, yeah, to your point, the

918
00:43:34,360 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 1: sport is better, but it's it's it's marginal, right, It's

919
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,719
Speaker 1: like one three, right, So I think it need to

920
00:43:39,719 --> 00:43:43,600
Speaker 1: be a higher degree better because I do think that

921
00:43:43,640 --> 00:43:46,760
Speaker 1: their defense is significantly worse.

922
00:43:47,080 --> 00:43:47,520
Speaker 2: I agree.

923
00:43:47,560 --> 00:43:50,960
Speaker 4: I still just think that they have a like of

924
00:43:51,000 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 4: the teams outside the top four, they're this's the type

925
00:43:53,560 --> 00:43:56,520
Speaker 4: of team that I think they're. They're the top option

926
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,440
Speaker 4: of a team that could upset them and a sneaky,

927
00:44:00,040 --> 00:44:04,439
Speaker 4: sneaky layer is Chase McCarty has been really good lately.

928
00:44:04,480 --> 00:44:07,640
Speaker 2: He hit six threes against Oklahoma State. He's just earned.

929
00:44:07,800 --> 00:44:10,000
Speaker 4: He's played twenty average, like twenty minutes a game over

930
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:11,840
Speaker 4: the last four after like not really being a factor,

931
00:44:12,719 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 4: just having another.

932
00:44:13,280 --> 00:44:13,960
Speaker 2: Guy who can.

933
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:15,640
Speaker 4: Like, you're right, they have to be a very good

934
00:44:15,640 --> 00:44:19,200
Speaker 4: offensive team to make a run in the tournament because

935
00:44:19,320 --> 00:44:21,800
Speaker 4: their defense isn't going to like completely cut.

936
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:24,320
Speaker 2: The water off. My bet for this tournament is Cincinnati.

937
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:26,839
Speaker 4: I'm with Greg like I would look potentially at betting

938
00:44:26,840 --> 00:44:31,680
Speaker 4: Houston against Arizona in the final and the number wouldn't

939
00:44:31,719 --> 00:44:32,720
Speaker 4: be that different.

940
00:44:33,560 --> 00:44:37,160
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't know. I haven't given Kansas enough thought.

941
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:40,280
Speaker 2: I'm just having a tough time wrapping my head around Kansas,

942
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:41,040
Speaker 2: to be honest.

943
00:44:41,360 --> 00:44:44,439
Speaker 1: They're weird, weird team. And if Peterson going to stay

944
00:44:44,480 --> 00:44:46,719
Speaker 1: locked in and healthy throughout By the way, one thing,

945
00:44:46,719 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 1: would you mentioned led courts.

946
00:44:48,680 --> 00:44:50,080
Speaker 2: For this, I don't.

947
00:44:50,160 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 4: I'm out on those two in Iowa State, I'm out

948
00:44:53,160 --> 00:44:53,799
Speaker 4: on the other team.

949
00:44:53,800 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: I've heard some people that I respect talk about Unders

950
00:44:56,760 --> 00:45:01,799
Speaker 1: being potentially profitable early on, maybe because uh, just the

951
00:45:01,840 --> 00:45:05,440
Speaker 1: way that it looks. The ball might bounce a little different.

952
00:45:05,480 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 1: I don't know. I haven't dug into that, but that's

953
00:45:07,239 --> 00:45:09,359
Speaker 1: something to watch because this has only been used in

954
00:45:09,440 --> 00:45:11,440
Speaker 1: like an NBA All Star Game and then I think

955
00:45:11,480 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 1: in like a EuroLeague, So that'll be new quickly.

956
00:45:15,719 --> 00:45:18,560
Speaker 3: On Kansas. Since I made the pitch for.

957
00:45:18,600 --> 00:45:22,839
Speaker 5: Him five straight games that he's played between twenty nine

958
00:45:22,880 --> 00:45:25,520
Speaker 5: and thirty five minutes, I mean, the issues have essentially

959
00:45:25,560 --> 00:45:28,680
Speaker 5: gone away for two and a half weeks. That doesn't

960
00:45:28,680 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 5: get either of your attention. We've just seen enough of

961
00:45:30,800 --> 00:45:32,839
Speaker 5: the ins and outs. It's like it could rear its

962
00:45:32,880 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 5: ugly head at any moment.

963
00:45:34,640 --> 00:45:36,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean like, is it like three or

964
00:45:36,600 --> 00:45:39,800
Speaker 1: four games in a row and then five games.

965
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,160
Speaker 2: But they lost three of them? I think is the.

966
00:45:43,640 --> 00:45:46,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, No, No, I'm saying three games in three days,

967
00:45:46,080 --> 00:45:49,439
Speaker 1: Like there's just does he have like cramps and does

968
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:53,040
Speaker 1: he something strain something? And so he's like, hey, precautionary.

969
00:45:53,680 --> 00:45:57,239
Speaker 1: Like the way the reason to be precautionary goes way up,

970
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,360
Speaker 1: like if you're playing like your third game in three days,

971
00:46:00,239 --> 00:46:02,520
Speaker 1: so like you're like, oh, I tweaked this. So I

972
00:46:02,520 --> 00:46:05,040
Speaker 1: think like the chances of him sitting out are obviously

973
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:06,719
Speaker 1: much higher than any other player. But like in this

974
00:46:06,760 --> 00:46:09,400
Speaker 1: particular setting before the NCAA tournament, I could see it.

975
00:46:09,400 --> 00:46:10,279
Speaker 1: But your points well taken.

976
00:46:10,400 --> 00:46:12,920
Speaker 4: A problem is just I'm tired of l Marco and

977
00:46:12,960 --> 00:46:15,920
Speaker 4: Jamari running around. I think Bill selfish too. Yeah, I

978
00:46:15,920 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 4: want some more col Rosario. I actually kind of like him.

979
00:46:18,719 --> 00:46:24,080
Speaker 1: Oh yuck, you're crazy. All right, let's move on to CUSA,

980
00:46:24,120 --> 00:46:26,000
Speaker 1: which used to be man I remember when this was

981
00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:29,800
Speaker 1: played in Frisco. That was they had curtains, the curtains

982
00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,600
Speaker 1: separating the gyms, could always look at the under. But

983
00:46:32,680 --> 00:46:38,240
Speaker 1: now it's in Huntsville. This league is completely wide open.

984
00:46:38,440 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 1: In my opinion, ten teams make it. Sorry UTEP in Delaware.

985
00:46:44,200 --> 00:46:47,040
Speaker 1: This will take place between March tenth and fourteenth, as

986
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: in Huntsville. As I mentioned, Liberty is not the favorite

987
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: as many might think. They kind of stumbled down the stretch.

988
00:46:53,880 --> 00:46:56,960
Speaker 1: They do have the best offense, but their defense was

989
00:46:57,000 --> 00:46:58,640
Speaker 1: tenth best in the league. They don't have a lot

990
00:46:58,640 --> 00:47:02,319
Speaker 1: of athleticism exactly amazing. Richie McKay's systems awesome. They run

991
00:47:02,400 --> 00:47:05,160
Speaker 1: beautiful offense, they shooters all over, but they're not the

992
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:07,600
Speaker 1: most athletic team, and they can just and they struggle

993
00:47:07,600 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 1: with athleticism, and some of the most athletic teams in

994
00:47:11,120 --> 00:47:13,840
Speaker 1: this league either beat them or took them overtime. The

995
00:47:13,920 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 1: question is that Liberty just get bored and kind of

996
00:47:17,200 --> 00:47:21,919
Speaker 1: check out a bit down the stretch, or is there

997
00:47:22,200 --> 00:47:26,000
Speaker 1: something more there. Their defense, regardless has issues. They're plus

998
00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 1: three to ten to win it. The favorite is Sam Houston,

999
00:47:28,120 --> 00:47:31,560
Speaker 1: the two seed at two to one. They have some

1000
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,560
Speaker 1: injuries though, I mean they lost a couple guys for

1001
00:47:33,640 --> 00:47:38,040
Speaker 1: the year. Po Boy, my guy po Boy is. I

1002
00:47:38,080 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 1: think he's going to be back. Bo Boy King very

1003
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,520
Speaker 1: one of their better offensive players. He's been out. I

1004
00:47:43,520 --> 00:47:46,160
Speaker 1: think that was precautionary, but they've had a number of injuries.

1005
00:47:46,160 --> 00:47:48,799
Speaker 1: Cashing that has been incredible for them. But they have

1006
00:47:48,800 --> 00:47:52,680
Speaker 1: a really young backcourt. In February they were plus eighteen

1007
00:47:52,760 --> 00:47:56,600
Speaker 1: percent three point delta, so they really benefited there. I

1008
00:47:56,600 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 1: had no interest at that price. All these teams, there's

1009
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:03,879
Speaker 1: not much separating them. The three seeds Western Kentucky. They

1010
00:48:03,920 --> 00:48:05,600
Speaker 1: went on a huge run in February, but a lot

1011
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: of that was three point driven, although they did get

1012
00:48:08,840 --> 00:48:11,040
Speaker 1: Teagan More is probably the most important player back and

1013
00:48:11,080 --> 00:48:13,000
Speaker 1: it coincided with some three point luck and then they

1014
00:48:13,000 --> 00:48:15,840
Speaker 1: lost two to close the year. They have great depth,

1015
00:48:16,080 --> 00:48:20,520
Speaker 1: they do play fast. The four seed LA Tech will

1016
00:48:20,520 --> 00:48:24,320
Speaker 1: take on Middle Tennessee. The five seed. The six is

1017
00:48:24,400 --> 00:48:27,799
Speaker 1: Kennsas State. Interesting team. They lost arguably their best player

1018
00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:30,160
Speaker 1: early in the year, got kicked off the team in Coddle. R. J.

1019
00:48:30,239 --> 00:48:34,239
Speaker 1: Johnson's been incredible at point Guarden his steed. They also

1020
00:48:34,239 --> 00:48:36,160
Speaker 1: have great depth, They're long, they're athletic. And then you

1021
00:48:36,200 --> 00:48:38,960
Speaker 1: have teams playing in the first round FIU, it's this

1022
00:48:39,000 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: team that just they're running gun play as fast as possible,

1023
00:48:42,239 --> 00:48:45,640
Speaker 1: hectic games, turn it over, force turnovers. Not much else

1024
00:48:45,680 --> 00:48:50,040
Speaker 1: to say. Missouri State is the nine seed. I love

1025
00:48:50,640 --> 00:48:53,360
Speaker 1: ose Bonso, but they have no depth at all, so

1026
00:48:53,400 --> 00:48:55,480
Speaker 1: I can't see them winning, you know, four games in

1027
00:48:55,520 --> 00:48:58,640
Speaker 1: four days. Jacksonville State the seventh seed. Harper the coach

1028
00:48:58,719 --> 00:49:02,200
Speaker 1: pretty good in these setting historically for what it's worth.

1029
00:49:02,880 --> 00:49:06,160
Speaker 1: And then the ten seeds New Mexico State the interesting storyline.

1030
00:49:06,160 --> 00:49:07,960
Speaker 1: The Mexico State Ja Mel Jones really good player. Their

1031
00:49:07,960 --> 00:49:10,560
Speaker 1: defense is shaky, though they did sweep Jacksonville State, who

1032
00:49:10,560 --> 00:49:12,880
Speaker 1: they'll play in the first round, and their coach used

1033
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:15,279
Speaker 1: to be at Sam Houston State and they beat them

1034
00:49:15,320 --> 00:49:16,680
Speaker 1: in their only meeting. That's what they would play if

1035
00:49:16,680 --> 00:49:20,680
Speaker 1: they do beat Jacksonville State for a third time. Got

1036
00:49:20,680 --> 00:49:22,239
Speaker 1: some other things I'll mention on some of these teams

1037
00:49:22,239 --> 00:49:24,120
Speaker 1: with Greg curious to get your thoughts on where you

1038
00:49:24,160 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: see value of where you're looking in CUSA.

1039
00:49:26,200 --> 00:49:28,279
Speaker 5: I think you nail that it's wide open. You look

1040
00:49:28,320 --> 00:49:31,960
Speaker 5: at the top two seeds in this tournament. They whimpered

1041
00:49:32,040 --> 00:49:34,640
Speaker 5: down the stretch of the regular season. Liberty lost three

1042
00:49:34,640 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 5: to five. Sam Houston lost two straight. One of those

1043
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 5: two Liberty. But I'm looking at a team the top

1044
00:49:40,640 --> 00:49:43,920
Speaker 5: right now at almost ten to one plus nine point fifty.

1045
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:45,799
Speaker 5: I'm going to take a flyer on the five seed

1046
00:49:45,840 --> 00:49:49,360
Speaker 5: Middle Tennessee. Here, here's my pitch. They've won five straight.

1047
00:49:49,800 --> 00:49:52,480
Speaker 5: Every senior on this roster has won their opening round

1048
00:49:52,560 --> 00:49:55,000
Speaker 5: game in this conference tournament every single year they've been

1049
00:49:55,040 --> 00:49:58,120
Speaker 5: at Middle Tennessee. That Louisiana Tech matchup in the four

1050
00:49:58,160 --> 00:50:01,920
Speaker 5: to five game they blitzed, beat them by thirty seven

1051
00:50:02,200 --> 00:50:03,840
Speaker 5: at home in early January.

1052
00:50:03,920 --> 00:50:05,840
Speaker 1: You know what happened in that game? They made twenty

1053
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:08,239
Speaker 1: They went twenty three or forty four from three. By

1054
00:50:08,280 --> 00:50:08,839
Speaker 1: the way, in that.

1055
00:50:08,800 --> 00:50:13,120
Speaker 5: Game, yeah, could miss and then lost by one on

1056
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:14,280
Speaker 5: the other so they split.

1057
00:50:14,360 --> 00:50:15,799
Speaker 3: But I like that matchup for them.

1058
00:50:16,200 --> 00:50:20,760
Speaker 5: They basically like a great three point volume advantage team,

1059
00:50:20,880 --> 00:50:23,960
Speaker 5: right They run teams off the three point line, limited attempts,

1060
00:50:23,960 --> 00:50:25,040
Speaker 5: and then they shoot a ton.

1061
00:50:25,440 --> 00:50:27,640
Speaker 3: You look at games they played against the contenders in

1062
00:50:27,680 --> 00:50:28,160
Speaker 3: this league.

1063
00:50:28,400 --> 00:50:31,320
Speaker 5: When they beat Louisiana Tech, they shot forty four threes

1064
00:50:31,320 --> 00:50:34,640
Speaker 5: to eighteen. When they beat Sam Houston, they shot twenty

1065
00:50:34,719 --> 00:50:37,799
Speaker 5: nine threes to eleven. I like the math in that

1066
00:50:37,880 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 5: game or those potential games in the championship.

1067
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:41,200
Speaker 3: And then you look at Liberty.

1068
00:50:41,480 --> 00:50:44,759
Speaker 5: They only played once this year, lost by sixteen in

1069
00:50:44,880 --> 00:50:47,919
Speaker 5: that game and did not make their threes, only shot

1070
00:50:47,960 --> 00:50:48,840
Speaker 5: thirty three percent.

1071
00:50:49,280 --> 00:50:50,239
Speaker 2: But we know this.

1072
00:50:50,320 --> 00:50:52,760
Speaker 5: If you're trying to pick an upset, you want teams

1073
00:50:52,760 --> 00:50:54,920
Speaker 5: that have a lot of three point variants. And I

1074
00:50:54,960 --> 00:50:57,560
Speaker 5: think their size theoretically should be able to bother a

1075
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,440
Speaker 5: pretty small Liberty team that goes four guards and then

1076
00:51:00,520 --> 00:51:01,719
Speaker 5: six to seven in the front court.

1077
00:51:01,719 --> 00:51:04,600
Speaker 3: Middle Tennessee's pretty huge at all positions.

1078
00:51:05,320 --> 00:51:07,480
Speaker 5: I just think it's good value plus nine to fifty

1079
00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:10,640
Speaker 5: and I would throw out this some lineup stuff's been

1080
00:51:10,680 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 5: going on with middle Tennessee Trey Greens back in the

1081
00:51:13,040 --> 00:51:16,080
Speaker 5: starting lineup, and he's hit ten threes in their last

1082
00:51:16,120 --> 00:51:18,240
Speaker 5: two games. He only played three minutes in that first

1083
00:51:18,280 --> 00:51:22,080
Speaker 5: meeting against Liberty. He started basically the whole first month

1084
00:51:22,120 --> 00:51:24,160
Speaker 5: of the season, didn't start all of conference play, and

1085
00:51:24,200 --> 00:51:26,320
Speaker 5: he's back in playing twenty seven and twenty eight minutes

1086
00:51:26,320 --> 00:51:29,360
Speaker 5: in their last two. So we'll see exactly what happens

1087
00:51:29,360 --> 00:51:30,920
Speaker 5: with it. But at plus nine to fifty in a

1088
00:51:30,960 --> 00:51:32,640
Speaker 5: wide open league, that's my ticket.

1089
00:51:32,840 --> 00:51:35,960
Speaker 1: All right, Well, Greg, I'll let the people decide who

1090
00:51:35,960 --> 00:51:37,320
Speaker 1: they want to side with. I'm going to make a

1091
00:51:37,360 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: case for LA Tech. Since February fifth, they're the best

1092
00:51:41,640 --> 00:51:43,800
Speaker 1: team in this league, one hundred and eighteenth in the country.

1093
00:51:43,800 --> 00:51:46,720
Speaker 1: Why do I pick that random date? That's when Kayden

1094
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,920
Speaker 1: Cooper came back. I have no idea what was going on.

1095
00:51:49,960 --> 00:51:54,200
Speaker 1: He was benched their best player. He is bad on offense.

1096
00:51:54,280 --> 00:51:57,720
Speaker 1: He is his first game back when they rolled Sam

1097
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:01,560
Speaker 1: Houston State, he had like seventeen and four steals. The

1098
00:52:01,680 --> 00:52:05,719
Speaker 1: ultimate hustle player, long defensive guy he was. He was

1099
00:52:05,719 --> 00:52:07,799
Speaker 1: our senior captain whose first team All league. He got

1100
00:52:07,800 --> 00:52:11,640
Speaker 1: benched for weeks. Something was going on there. It wasn't

1101
00:52:11,640 --> 00:52:14,120
Speaker 1: an injury, and then he came back, and now he's

1102
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,960
Speaker 1: coming off the bench, and this is a whole different team.

1103
00:52:18,000 --> 00:52:19,920
Speaker 1: Now they cannot and it has nothing to do with

1104
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,280
Speaker 1: three point thought. If they cannot shoot, they can't shoot

1105
00:52:22,320 --> 00:52:25,800
Speaker 1: it forward only Dudley. They have one shooter in Dudley.

1106
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:29,240
Speaker 1: That's it. But they have the best defense. They can offensive, rebound,

1107
00:52:29,239 --> 00:52:32,759
Speaker 1: They're super athletic. They defend at the rim. I can't

1108
00:52:32,760 --> 00:52:34,719
Speaker 1: figure I can tell, I will admit I don't. I

1109
00:52:34,719 --> 00:52:36,840
Speaker 1: can't figure out Middle Tennessee. And they play tons of

1110
00:52:36,840 --> 00:52:38,840
Speaker 1: close games. They're up and down. I don't so they

1111
00:52:39,239 --> 00:52:42,359
Speaker 1: Lotsich could easily lose that game. But lottech just went

1112
00:52:42,400 --> 00:52:45,640
Speaker 1: to Liberty destroy them. They just beat Delaware by fifty five.

1113
00:52:45,680 --> 00:52:48,880
Speaker 1: I get Delawares down to like four guys. But this

1114
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:50,839
Speaker 1: team closed the year strong. It's a different team now.

1115
00:52:50,880 --> 00:52:52,160
Speaker 1: I don't know what happened for a month and a

1116
00:52:52,200 --> 00:52:55,040
Speaker 1: half with Cooper. They had some other injuries as well.

1117
00:52:55,560 --> 00:52:57,600
Speaker 1: I think Scooters should be back. He missed a couple

1118
00:52:57,600 --> 00:53:00,239
Speaker 1: of games towards the end of the year. But I

1119
00:53:00,280 --> 00:53:02,440
Speaker 1: know they can't shoot. The offense can be so ugly,

1120
00:53:02,480 --> 00:53:06,200
Speaker 1: but this is a super athletic, elite defensive team that's

1121
00:53:06,200 --> 00:53:08,560
Speaker 1: been the best in the league over the last six weeks.

1122
00:53:09,120 --> 00:53:13,480
Speaker 1: So yeah, I'm eleven to one on law Tech. I'm

1123
00:53:13,520 --> 00:53:15,279
Speaker 1: throwing some change out of Christian What are you saying

1124
00:53:15,280 --> 00:53:15,720
Speaker 1: in Cusa.

1125
00:53:16,200 --> 00:53:18,479
Speaker 2: I'm with you, Stuckey, I love Yeah Tech.

1126
00:53:18,920 --> 00:53:22,040
Speaker 4: Beating a team by fifty leading to the tournament is

1127
00:53:22,880 --> 00:53:25,879
Speaker 4: pretty good for the morale and the momentum. And that's

1128
00:53:25,880 --> 00:53:27,959
Speaker 4: a Delaware team that had just beat sam Houston State,

1129
00:53:28,440 --> 00:53:30,960
Speaker 4: played washing Konucky in overtime, Jacksonville State in overtime.

1130
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:35,240
Speaker 1: It also came on the road after they won at Liberty.

1131
00:53:35,719 --> 00:53:38,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I mean, I know Delaware has been pretty

1132
00:53:38,320 --> 00:53:39,799
Speaker 4: bad this year. I still have in my head that

1133
00:53:39,960 --> 00:53:41,600
Speaker 4: is a team that was still capable of having a

1134
00:53:41,640 --> 00:53:45,759
Speaker 4: first half lead in Provo in November. But yeah, I

1135
00:53:45,840 --> 00:53:47,600
Speaker 4: understand it can be gross Underson, they don't take care

1136
00:53:47,640 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 4: of the basketball great, But I'm with you on what

1137
00:53:50,280 --> 00:53:53,680
Speaker 4: Katie Cooper is a special defender and they've.

1138
00:53:53,440 --> 00:53:54,440
Speaker 2: Been playing the best ball.

1139
00:53:54,800 --> 00:53:56,400
Speaker 4: You kind of hit all my main points, But that

1140
00:53:56,480 --> 00:53:58,480
Speaker 4: was the team that jumped out to me for sure,

1141
00:53:59,280 --> 00:54:01,319
Speaker 4: and they've already proven they can beat the best teams

1142
00:54:01,360 --> 00:54:01,800
Speaker 4: in the league.

1143
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, they could beat the or lose to anyone. I mean,

1144
00:54:04,920 --> 00:54:07,919
Speaker 1: when you bet them, if they make threes, they're they're

1145
00:54:07,920 --> 00:54:11,120
Speaker 1: winning this now, will they Probably not. They're one of

1146
00:54:11,160 --> 00:54:12,440
Speaker 1: the worst shooting teams in the country.

1147
00:54:13,040 --> 00:54:13,439
Speaker 2: But if.

1148
00:54:14,920 --> 00:54:16,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, Well, the last thing I'll say, though, is they're

1149
00:54:16,560 --> 00:54:18,680
Speaker 1: not three point relying, so like on a neutral court

1150
00:54:19,280 --> 00:54:22,000
Speaker 1: sometimes I like that, right, Like they in this league,

1151
00:54:22,239 --> 00:54:24,719
Speaker 1: they're just gonna rely on like offensive rebounds, getting to

1152
00:54:24,760 --> 00:54:29,520
Speaker 1: the getting to the rim, creating turnovers, hustle, athleticism. They're not.

1153
00:54:29,680 --> 00:54:31,880
Speaker 1: They don't need they They never shoot well, so it

1154
00:54:31,920 --> 00:54:33,480
Speaker 1: doesn't matter if they don't look ahead.

1155
00:54:34,080 --> 00:54:34,920
Speaker 2: You know, theyve up.

1156
00:54:34,880 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: A ton of threes, so they could get at like

1157
00:54:36,680 --> 00:54:38,480
Speaker 1: Middle Tennessee with twenty two or forty four.

1158
00:54:38,920 --> 00:54:41,759
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be like a twenty three point attempt

1159
00:54:41,920 --> 00:54:43,240
Speaker 5: advantage to Tennessee.

1160
00:54:43,280 --> 00:54:44,600
Speaker 2: But again, maybe they miss them all.

1161
00:54:44,760 --> 00:54:48,080
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's gonna be to to your point style you

1162
00:54:48,120 --> 00:54:51,320
Speaker 5: alluded to this Caiden Cooper mysterious weird stuff in the

1163
00:54:51,320 --> 00:54:54,360
Speaker 5: middle of the season. Uh combined in two games against

1164
00:54:54,360 --> 00:54:58,440
Speaker 5: Middle Tennessee, Caiden Cooper zero points and three rebounds in

1165
00:54:58,480 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 5: twenty five minutes. In those two games.

1166
00:55:00,680 --> 00:55:01,760
Speaker 3: Now, the first one he didn't.

1167
00:55:01,760 --> 00:55:03,160
Speaker 1: He barely played though, right.

1168
00:55:03,440 --> 00:55:06,040
Speaker 5: It was eighteen minutes in the first one they lost

1169
00:55:06,040 --> 00:55:09,120
Speaker 5: by thirty seven. He wasn't in foul trouble. He also

1170
00:55:09,160 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 5: hadn't been benched up to that point in the season.

1171
00:55:10,960 --> 00:55:11,640
Speaker 5: Just just weird.

1172
00:55:11,880 --> 00:55:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, something was going on with the whole team. That's like,

1173
00:55:14,160 --> 00:55:17,040
Speaker 1: I don't know, and then he and then he got benched.

1174
00:55:17,080 --> 00:55:18,200
Speaker 1: I don't know what was going on.

1175
00:55:18,600 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 5: But the second one he got benched and they won.

1176
00:55:20,880 --> 00:55:22,680
Speaker 5: So that's a good day to point for your guys

1177
00:55:22,680 --> 00:55:24,880
Speaker 5: to side here. But yeah, just kind of straighted. The

1178
00:55:24,920 --> 00:55:27,000
Speaker 5: only two scoreless games of the season for him, the

1179
00:55:27,000 --> 00:55:28,320
Speaker 5: two Middle Tennessee games.

1180
00:55:28,600 --> 00:55:31,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, interesting, they don't need him to score though. If

1181
00:55:31,440 --> 00:55:34,680
Speaker 1: he scores, it's all bones, it's all bonus. Now he's

1182
00:55:34,760 --> 00:55:36,200
Speaker 1: capable of going for like eighteen two it's like in

1183
00:55:36,280 --> 00:55:41,960
Speaker 1: transition off steals. But he is a horrendous shooter. Ah, Right,

1184
00:55:42,000 --> 00:55:43,920
Speaker 1: anything else you want to mention Christian.

1185
00:55:44,000 --> 00:55:46,000
Speaker 4: As great as loudly, as offensively, as good as Cleveland

1186
00:55:46,040 --> 00:55:48,600
Speaker 4: as they're the worst defensive rebounding and offensive rebinding team

1187
00:55:48,600 --> 00:55:49,080
Speaker 4: in the country.

1188
00:55:49,120 --> 00:55:52,040
Speaker 2: Like, I just I don't like that, not in the country.

1189
00:55:52,040 --> 00:55:52,680
Speaker 2: I'm in the conference.

1190
00:55:53,040 --> 00:55:55,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, they I mean they never defensive rebound because they

1191
00:55:55,680 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 1: get back. I mean they never offensive rebound because they

1192
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:00,280
Speaker 1: get back. But yeah, and then they lackside. Their defense

1193
00:56:00,320 --> 00:56:02,000
Speaker 1: is very questionable. And now they could just out execute

1194
00:56:02,000 --> 00:56:05,359
Speaker 1: everyone and they had their threes, but yeah, no, no

1195
00:56:05,400 --> 00:56:07,719
Speaker 1: thanks at three to ten, I have them at like

1196
00:56:07,719 --> 00:56:10,080
Speaker 1: twenty percent, so I would need like five to one.

1197
00:56:10,719 --> 00:56:12,239
Speaker 1: It's a wide open league, like give you if you

1198
00:56:12,239 --> 00:56:15,120
Speaker 1: filter for like different time periods, it's like they're all

1199
00:56:15,160 --> 00:56:17,680
Speaker 1: like around the same. Another team jump up like based

1200
00:56:17,719 --> 00:56:21,799
Speaker 1: on three point variants. So yeah, I'm gonna ride with

1201
00:56:21,840 --> 00:56:25,160
Speaker 1: LA Tech. Christian agrees to me. Greg is rolling with

1202
00:56:25,960 --> 00:56:28,359
Speaker 1: the Blue Raiders. That's the one team I really don't.

1203
00:56:28,360 --> 00:56:30,680
Speaker 1: I feel like I don't have a good feeling. All right,

1204
00:56:31,000 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: One final conference to get to in this episode, and

1205
00:56:33,560 --> 00:56:37,000
Speaker 1: that's the Big Ten. Recording this on Sunday night after

1206
00:56:37,800 --> 00:56:41,160
Speaker 1: the Michigan Michigan steak in Michigan pulled away from Michigan

1207
00:56:41,200 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: State late and the Iowa Nebraska game where Nebraska had

1208
00:56:47,360 --> 00:56:51,200
Speaker 1: an incredible meltdown, missed a bunch of free throws late,

1209
00:56:51,440 --> 00:56:54,680
Speaker 1: Iowa ties it with a three, and then man, I

1210
00:56:54,719 --> 00:56:59,960
Speaker 1: hope no one out there had Iowa plus six because

1211
00:57:00,200 --> 00:57:02,000
Speaker 1: that was cruel in the end of nine to zero,

1212
00:57:02,400 --> 00:57:05,040
Speaker 1: Nebraska run in the final minute or so to win

1213
00:57:05,080 --> 00:57:08,399
Speaker 1: by nine. Also, if anyone bet the Michigan Michigan State

1214
00:57:08,440 --> 00:57:11,560
Speaker 1: game at nine and a half, that last minute probably

1215
00:57:11,600 --> 00:57:15,400
Speaker 1: took about thirty years off your life. And then Michigan

1216
00:57:15,400 --> 00:57:18,080
Speaker 1: State finally just decided we're just gonna run the clock

1217
00:57:18,120 --> 00:57:21,880
Speaker 1: all the way down at the end and then pull

1218
00:57:21,960 --> 00:57:25,840
Speaker 1: up for a shot. A very very long minute if

1219
00:57:25,880 --> 00:57:29,439
Speaker 1: you bet either side. But as a result of those

1220
00:57:29,480 --> 00:57:33,320
Speaker 1: two results, we have a bracket, we have odds. The

1221
00:57:33,360 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: Big Ten Tournament will kick off on Tuesday with two

1222
00:57:39,240 --> 00:57:42,560
Speaker 1: playing games, well their first round games, I should say,

1223
00:57:43,040 --> 00:57:45,600
Speaker 1: but there are really four teams that have no chance

1224
00:57:45,640 --> 00:57:51,480
Speaker 1: in Maryland, in Oregon and Penn State and Northwestern, and

1225
00:57:51,520 --> 00:57:55,000
Speaker 1: then we get a bunch more teams in action on

1226
00:57:55,080 --> 00:57:58,040
Speaker 1: Wednesday in the second round. There are four teams who

1227
00:57:58,040 --> 00:58:01,160
Speaker 1: get a double bye to the third round. That's Ohio State, Wisconsin,

1228
00:58:01,240 --> 00:58:04,400
Speaker 1: Purdue in UCLA. And then the top four seeds get

1229
00:58:04,440 --> 00:58:06,320
Speaker 1: by to the quarters, which would be get on Friday.

1230
00:58:06,320 --> 00:58:11,080
Speaker 1: That's top seed Michigan, two seed Nebraska, three seed Michigan State,

1231
00:58:11,640 --> 00:58:18,040
Speaker 1: and four seed Illinois From a odds perspective, as you

1232
00:58:18,120 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: might imagine, Michigan is the favorite right around Eeden money.

1233
00:58:22,360 --> 00:58:25,720
Speaker 1: Illinois next up, but around plus four to sixty one

1234
00:58:25,760 --> 00:58:28,200
Speaker 1: book that I'm looking at now produce six to one

1235
00:58:28,280 --> 00:58:32,280
Speaker 1: Michigan State plus six fifty, Nebraska ten to one. Then

1236
00:58:32,320 --> 00:58:34,240
Speaker 1: you start to get into some longer shots, starting with

1237
00:58:34,280 --> 00:58:41,640
Speaker 1: Wisconsin at thirty to one. Michigan's obviously dominated this league

1238
00:58:42,280 --> 00:58:47,360
Speaker 1: all year, but are they vulnerable and if so, how

1239
00:58:47,480 --> 00:58:52,720
Speaker 1: and why? Greg? I know this is your baby, what

1240
00:58:52,760 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: are your thoughts on Michigan in the top half? I mean,

1241
00:58:57,480 --> 00:59:01,000
Speaker 1: Illinois has the offense, and look, I mean this is

1242
00:59:01,040 --> 00:59:05,720
Speaker 1: an Illinois team. Since February first, they're fifth, Michigan's third.

1243
00:59:06,040 --> 00:59:09,320
Speaker 1: One of the differences has been that Illinois has not

1244
00:59:09,360 --> 00:59:11,480
Speaker 1: made their shots. Michigan has, I mean Michigan since February

1245
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: first shooting forty one percent from three and teams are

1246
00:59:13,400 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: shooting twenty eight percent against them. So you're probably gonna

1247
00:59:16,720 --> 00:59:18,640
Speaker 1: need you can't Michigan. Here's the thing. If Missig's going

1248
00:59:18,640 --> 00:59:22,160
Speaker 1: to hit their threes and you good night, right, It's

1249
00:59:22,240 --> 00:59:26,160
Speaker 1: kind of like when Florida is hitting their threes. When

1250
00:59:26,200 --> 00:59:28,880
Speaker 1: Duke like you're gonna need somewhat of an offshooting night

1251
00:59:28,920 --> 00:59:30,920
Speaker 1: from Michigan, and you're going to need to hit some

1252
00:59:30,920 --> 00:59:36,000
Speaker 1: outside shots against them. Illinois is certainly cable. Wisconsin, I

1253
00:59:36,040 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 1: don't know. Do we know the status of Nolan won Winter.

1254
00:59:39,280 --> 00:59:42,880
Speaker 3: It didn't sound good, but I haven't heard formal ruling out.

1255
00:59:43,080 --> 00:59:45,400
Speaker 1: Didn't matter against Purdue, who's a mess right now, but

1256
00:59:46,320 --> 00:59:48,680
Speaker 1: he is important for them. But they have shot makers.

1257
00:59:48,760 --> 00:59:51,960
Speaker 1: They've obviously played up. They have some variants in them

1258
00:59:51,960 --> 00:59:55,840
Speaker 1: because of their shot making, and both of those teams,

1259
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:58,160
Speaker 1: when healthy, have bigs that can shoot, and that's one

1260
00:59:58,200 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: of the keys to beating this Missionchigan team. Ohio State

1261
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:07,560
Speaker 1: is also red hot. They they've also shot very well.

1262
01:00:07,560 --> 01:00:09,920
Speaker 1: I mean, one of the reasons you have buying them's emergence.

1263
01:00:10,200 --> 01:00:13,960
Speaker 1: But they're shooting forty three percent from three since February first.

1264
01:00:14,640 --> 01:00:17,560
Speaker 1: Can they keep that up? And can they keep that

1265
01:00:17,680 --> 01:00:21,320
Speaker 1: up away from home where they haven't been as potent. So, Greg,

1266
01:00:21,320 --> 01:00:22,600
Speaker 1: I'll start with you, what do you make of the

1267
01:00:22,640 --> 01:00:26,600
Speaker 1: top half of the bracket in the Big Ten? Help

1268
01:00:26,680 --> 01:00:27,440
Speaker 1: us make sense of it.

1269
01:00:28,520 --> 01:00:31,240
Speaker 3: You know, I think Michigan is a rightful favorite.

1270
01:00:31,360 --> 01:00:33,640
Speaker 5: I was curious what they'd open at minus one thirty

1271
01:00:33,640 --> 01:00:36,880
Speaker 5: five is what I'm seeing with one book, and I

1272
01:00:36,880 --> 01:00:39,400
Speaker 5: think that feels right. I mean through a twenty game

1273
01:00:39,440 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 5: sample size.

1274
01:00:40,080 --> 01:00:40,640
Speaker 3: At this point.

1275
01:00:40,800 --> 01:00:44,760
Speaker 5: The reality with this league, Michigan is a complete team,

1276
01:00:45,240 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 5: and the other four contenders in this league, maybe five

1277
01:00:48,880 --> 01:00:51,200
Speaker 5: if you want to include Wisconsin, they might have earned.

1278
01:00:51,040 --> 01:00:52,880
Speaker 3: Their way into that group, are not.

1279
01:00:53,240 --> 01:00:57,520
Speaker 5: There's great offenses with ify defenses like Illinois, Purdue, I

1280
01:00:57,520 --> 01:00:58,960
Speaker 5: think Wisconsin qualifies.

1281
01:00:59,440 --> 01:01:00,040
Speaker 2: And then there's.

1282
01:01:00,200 --> 01:01:04,000
Speaker 5: Defenses with if he offenses that's Nebraska Michigan State. So

1283
01:01:04,800 --> 01:01:09,160
Speaker 5: you know, I think it's hard to envision any one

1284
01:01:09,320 --> 01:01:13,240
Speaker 5: team feeling great in a Michigan matchup. But you also

1285
01:01:13,280 --> 01:01:15,840
Speaker 5: need a favorable draw with reasons to believe you're gonna

1286
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:18,160
Speaker 5: get to a Michigan matchup. And I told you guys

1287
01:01:18,200 --> 01:01:21,040
Speaker 5: this afternoon when we uh, before we broke so I

1288
01:01:21,040 --> 01:01:23,680
Speaker 5: could go to the game, I was looking at Illinois.

1289
01:01:24,200 --> 01:01:27,920
Speaker 5: I like the idea of an Illinois matchup again with Michigan,

1290
01:01:28,600 --> 01:01:31,200
Speaker 5: I think they on paper check all the boxes that

1291
01:01:31,280 --> 01:01:34,560
Speaker 5: you want against Michigan. A great rebounding team that's a

1292
01:01:34,640 --> 01:01:38,280
Speaker 5: high three point variants team with stretch fives that can

1293
01:01:38,400 --> 01:01:43,560
Speaker 5: pull mar out problem that matchup went about as disastrously

1294
01:01:43,560 --> 01:01:45,440
Speaker 5: as it could have in Champagne.

1295
01:01:45,680 --> 01:01:46,800
Speaker 3: I don't know if it will again.

1296
01:01:47,080 --> 01:01:49,880
Speaker 5: And Woggler, I think is gonna have his hands full

1297
01:01:49,920 --> 01:01:52,720
Speaker 5: with Yaxel and even potentially Marez picking him up full

1298
01:01:52,720 --> 01:01:55,040
Speaker 5: court the way you did with Starts. Here's my problem

1299
01:01:55,040 --> 01:01:57,520
Speaker 5: with Illinois. I came in thinking I want them to

1300
01:01:57,560 --> 01:02:00,320
Speaker 5: be my bet here. I hate the price. I mean,

1301
01:02:00,560 --> 01:02:02,880
Speaker 5: I'm seeing plus four twenty five. I was hoping at

1302
01:02:02,960 --> 01:02:05,080
Speaker 5: least six to one for Illinois for that to.

1303
01:02:05,040 --> 01:02:05,840
Speaker 3: Be palatable for me.

1304
01:02:07,120 --> 01:02:09,520
Speaker 5: You can't really convince me in that little pot at

1305
01:02:09,520 --> 01:02:13,600
Speaker 5: the top of the bracket Illinois and Wisconsin. If Wisconsin's

1306
01:02:13,640 --> 01:02:17,760
Speaker 5: thirty five to one and Illinois four to one, you

1307
01:02:17,840 --> 01:02:21,360
Speaker 5: can't really convince me to back the Aliini. I mean,

1308
01:02:21,360 --> 01:02:23,720
Speaker 5: that's Wisconsin already went to Champagne and beat him. I

1309
01:02:23,800 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 5: understand Old Winter maybe out, but they just proved it

1310
01:02:27,480 --> 01:02:29,160
Speaker 5: wasn't that big of a deal. They still got two

1311
01:02:29,200 --> 01:02:33,080
Speaker 5: stretch bigs and wrap and blowskis, and bottom line, Boyd

1312
01:02:33,080 --> 01:02:35,440
Speaker 5: and Blackwell are a handful.

1313
01:02:35,160 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 3: Against any perimeter defense in this league.

1314
01:02:37,120 --> 01:02:39,880
Speaker 5: They're the only team that went and beat Michigan anywhere

1315
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:42,240
Speaker 5: in conference play and there were one for one in

1316
01:02:42,280 --> 01:02:45,200
Speaker 5: that in an arbor, so you know, I'm staring at that.

1317
01:02:45,400 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 5: I did not think Wisconsin would be thirty five to one. That's,

1318
01:02:48,920 --> 01:02:52,520
Speaker 5: you know, thirty plus more than Illinois is at four

1319
01:02:52,560 --> 01:02:55,120
Speaker 5: to one. I want Illinois to be my bet here,

1320
01:02:55,160 --> 01:02:57,120
Speaker 5: but I think I'm gonna have to talk my way

1321
01:02:57,160 --> 01:03:00,520
Speaker 5: into a minor Wisconsin ticket on the top half of bracket.

1322
01:03:01,400 --> 01:03:04,320
Speaker 1: And in regards to Michigan, what are yeah? I mean,

1323
01:03:04,520 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 1: Illinois didn't make shots, which they need to do against Michigan.

1324
01:03:07,840 --> 01:03:11,000
Speaker 1: Their bigs need to make shots because number one, you

1325
01:03:11,120 --> 01:03:13,840
Speaker 1: need the math there. Number Two, when you're missing threes,

1326
01:03:14,480 --> 01:03:17,720
Speaker 1: there's long rebounds and that's that's also going to kind

1327
01:03:17,720 --> 01:03:20,080
Speaker 1: of lead to more transition for Michigan, which you just

1328
01:03:21,000 --> 01:03:23,920
Speaker 1: you just can't have because they're so deadly there. But

1329
01:03:23,960 --> 01:03:25,800
Speaker 1: what are your thoughts on the loss of case on

1330
01:03:27,360 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: as far as depth in the backcourt. Do you think

1331
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:34,760
Speaker 1: it's impactful They'll be okay? In what scenario could it

1332
01:03:34,840 --> 01:03:38,240
Speaker 1: hurt or do you think it's a non factor.

1333
01:03:38,800 --> 01:03:41,480
Speaker 5: I think they're going to be better than people expect,

1334
01:03:41,760 --> 01:03:46,640
Speaker 5: barring cado foul trouble games. I mean against Michigan State tonight,

1335
01:03:46,760 --> 01:03:50,000
Speaker 5: Kado was a non factor, but he was on the floor.

1336
01:03:50,120 --> 01:03:53,720
Speaker 5: He was still facilitating running the offense. They really did

1337
01:03:53,760 --> 01:03:57,240
Speaker 5: not skip a beat at all as long as he's

1338
01:03:57,360 --> 01:03:59,120
Speaker 5: out there. The issue is if you have to see

1339
01:03:59,200 --> 01:04:03,800
Speaker 5: Roddy gal Lamar Burnett lineups that are not the primary look.

1340
01:04:03,880 --> 01:04:06,400
Speaker 5: Those guys have barely ran a backcourt together this year

1341
01:04:06,400 --> 01:04:08,880
Speaker 5: and it didn't fare overly well last year. So you're

1342
01:04:08,880 --> 01:04:11,520
Speaker 5: really looking in terms of vulnerability. You're looking for a

1343
01:04:11,560 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 5: team that can force Cado to guard. Michigan's superpower is

1344
01:04:16,280 --> 01:04:19,200
Speaker 5: that they can put YACKXL on point guards and sort

1345
01:04:19,240 --> 01:04:22,960
Speaker 5: of hide Cado defensively at times from himself. You know,

1346
01:04:23,040 --> 01:04:26,080
Speaker 5: I look at this, that's what they did with with Wogler, right,

1347
01:04:26,120 --> 01:04:29,240
Speaker 5: just stick YACKXL on him against it or against Wisconsin.

1348
01:04:29,280 --> 01:04:33,280
Speaker 5: It's boy to a blackwell. You can't hide Cadeau on,

1349
01:04:33,840 --> 01:04:36,120
Speaker 5: you know, Rody in the corner. Really, he's got to

1350
01:04:36,160 --> 01:04:38,760
Speaker 5: take one of those matchups. So the more I look

1351
01:04:38,800 --> 01:04:41,720
Speaker 5: at this, I think I am gonna play the Badgers.

1352
01:04:42,280 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 5: And then there's a team on the bottom half of

1353
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,200
Speaker 5: the bracket too that has my eye. I don't know

1354
01:04:45,240 --> 01:04:46,280
Speaker 5: if we want to go there right now.

1355
01:04:46,640 --> 01:04:48,600
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think We'll get to the at the bottom

1356
01:04:48,640 --> 01:04:52,600
Speaker 1: half in just a moment. The other like, where else

1357
01:04:52,680 --> 01:04:57,600
Speaker 1: could Michigan potentially be vulnerable? It's speaking like just in

1358
01:04:57,760 --> 01:05:02,200
Speaker 1: the tournament down the line, it's a specific type of

1359
01:05:02,240 --> 01:05:05,800
Speaker 1: team that they have did have to play. But you

1360
01:05:05,960 --> 01:05:10,360
Speaker 1: saw Illinois is so mean. Excuse me. Iowa is so

1361
01:05:11,480 --> 01:05:16,720
Speaker 1: much worse athletically physically, but they do. Their defense does

1362
01:05:16,840 --> 01:05:20,840
Speaker 1: force a lot of turnovers and that almost cost Michigan

1363
01:05:21,360 --> 01:05:23,960
Speaker 1: a game against Iowa. So just thinking like bigger picture,

1364
01:05:24,080 --> 01:05:26,360
Speaker 1: like down line, like Elite eight, like a team that

1365
01:05:26,400 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: can force Michigan into turnovers like that, does that rear

1366
01:05:31,560 --> 01:05:36,040
Speaker 1: its ugly head down the line? Any Do you have

1367
01:05:36,040 --> 01:05:37,760
Speaker 1: any thoughts there is that going to be Maybe they're

1368
01:05:38,520 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: there undoing.

1369
01:05:39,760 --> 01:05:41,600
Speaker 3: It can't be, it can be.

1370
01:05:41,720 --> 01:05:44,040
Speaker 5: I'll throw to Christian in a second, But like I

1371
01:05:44,120 --> 01:05:48,240
Speaker 5: gotta be honest, the biggest obstacle Michigan's had in twenty

1372
01:05:48,360 --> 01:05:50,840
Speaker 5: conference games has been the.

1373
01:05:50,800 --> 01:05:53,840
Speaker 3: Games they just don't get up for. And I know

1374
01:05:53,920 --> 01:05:55,720
Speaker 3: that's a little bit of a cop out, but like

1375
01:05:56,400 --> 01:05:57,520
Speaker 3: you know, Iowa.

1376
01:05:57,240 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 5: Was sandwiched in between clinching the game and Champagne res

1377
01:06:00,400 --> 01:06:02,840
Speaker 5: Johnson return night and then a rivalry game where you're

1378
01:06:02,840 --> 01:06:06,760
Speaker 5: gonna cut down nets after against Michigan State and there

1379
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:11,360
Speaker 5: are other four worst performances of the league were Penn State, Minnesota.

1380
01:06:12,600 --> 01:06:15,800
Speaker 5: I'm forgetting who the third was, maybe Maryland. They were

1381
01:06:15,800 --> 01:06:19,080
Speaker 5: on the ropes at Maryland, like they really just have

1382
01:06:19,200 --> 01:06:21,800
Speaker 5: been like a we wake up against big games team.

1383
01:06:22,080 --> 01:06:24,800
Speaker 5: And I kind of downplayed that for a couple months,

1384
01:06:24,880 --> 01:06:28,120
Speaker 5: like that can't be it, that's not serious. The more

1385
01:06:28,160 --> 01:06:30,000
Speaker 5: I watch this team, I think it is. I think

1386
01:06:30,080 --> 01:06:34,360
Speaker 5: Yaxelborg like just does not show up for games that

1387
01:06:34,400 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 5: are not spotlight games, and he does every single time

1388
01:06:37,680 --> 01:06:38,760
Speaker 5: it's a spotlight game.

1389
01:06:38,880 --> 01:06:41,080
Speaker 3: So I don't know if Iowa qualifies for that.

1390
01:06:41,200 --> 01:06:44,720
Speaker 5: It was a weird spot I think looking at Michigan's pod,

1391
01:06:44,760 --> 01:06:47,920
Speaker 5: I don't think they're worried about Ohio State really anybody

1392
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,280
Speaker 5: in that top half Iowa. If Iowa gets through Ohio State,

1393
01:06:50,320 --> 01:06:54,120
Speaker 5: it's really that Illinois Wisconsin game that both teams have

1394
01:06:54,200 --> 01:06:57,000
Speaker 5: the stretch fives that can pull Maar out, possibly play

1395
01:06:57,080 --> 01:07:00,000
Speaker 5: him off the floor, and just go offense for offense.

1396
01:07:00,680 --> 01:07:03,720
Speaker 1: Yep. Elsewhere there. I mean, USC is a dead, a

1397
01:07:03,840 --> 01:07:07,800
Speaker 1: lame duck. Talk about a team in complete free fall mode.

1398
01:07:08,280 --> 01:07:11,600
Speaker 1: They'll take on Washington, who just blew them out. In

1399
01:07:11,680 --> 01:07:14,960
Speaker 1: the opener, Christian curiously to get your thoughts on the

1400
01:07:15,000 --> 01:07:19,680
Speaker 1: top half and whether or not you find you see

1401
01:07:19,680 --> 01:07:23,600
Speaker 1: any team that you're potentially going to look at on.

1402
01:07:23,720 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 4: Michigan, what's interesting about them is we only had that

1403
01:07:28,680 --> 01:07:32,640
Speaker 4: Wisconsin data point for so long, as like, how do

1404
01:07:32,680 --> 01:07:33,320
Speaker 4: you beat them?

1405
01:07:33,440 --> 01:07:35,320
Speaker 2: And what do they hit seven threes in a row,

1406
01:07:35,360 --> 01:07:37,640
Speaker 2: you know, fifteen total? Obviously Belaskis goes.

1407
01:07:37,920 --> 01:07:40,640
Speaker 4: Crazy and that's where they're kind of bigs that can

1408
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:42,440
Speaker 4: shoot an idea and you know, setting up for that

1409
01:07:42,480 --> 01:07:46,320
Speaker 4: match against Illinois. But to Greg's point, what to me,

1410
01:07:46,440 --> 01:07:49,479
Speaker 4: the stronger data points are the game at Penn State,

1411
01:07:50,280 --> 01:07:55,959
Speaker 4: at Northwestern for the first half, Nebraska at home, and

1412
01:07:56,120 --> 01:08:00,479
Speaker 4: at Iowa. And it's these teams that can slow slow

1413
01:08:00,520 --> 01:08:03,200
Speaker 4: the game down. You gotta slow the game down, you

1414
01:08:03,200 --> 01:08:05,720
Speaker 4: gotta turn them over, and they got to shoot less

1415
01:08:05,720 --> 01:08:08,840
Speaker 4: than thirty percent from three. Those are the three factors.

1416
01:08:09,080 --> 01:08:12,120
Speaker 4: If it's not those things, I really don't think you

1417
01:08:12,160 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 4: can win. So like when I look at, you know,

1418
01:08:16,680 --> 01:08:18,960
Speaker 4: the potential matchup against Illinois Wisconsin in the second round,

1419
01:08:18,960 --> 01:08:21,599
Speaker 4: I don't think Iowa after playing two games in a row,

1420
01:08:22,320 --> 01:08:24,920
Speaker 4: U they just have to play an absolutely perfect game, right,

1421
01:08:25,120 --> 01:08:26,920
Speaker 4: and there's just so much on Startz's play.

1422
01:08:27,160 --> 01:08:29,680
Speaker 2: Ohio State doesn't have the horses, so.

1423
01:08:29,920 --> 01:08:34,000
Speaker 4: Illinois Wisconsin that game on paper should be interesting. And

1424
01:08:34,160 --> 01:08:39,280
Speaker 4: when I think at Illinois, I I'm struggling a bit

1425
01:08:39,479 --> 01:08:42,360
Speaker 4: with with Kylon Boswell, and I'm not going to come

1426
01:08:42,400 --> 01:08:44,200
Speaker 4: up here and create this narrative that they're worse without him,

1427
01:08:44,240 --> 01:08:46,000
Speaker 4: because I think he's a tremendous player and he gives

1428
01:08:46,040 --> 01:08:47,920
Speaker 4: them like they need him defensively, like in.

1429
01:08:47,840 --> 01:08:49,559
Speaker 2: That game against They don't lose that game at home.

1430
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,240
Speaker 4: To Wisconsin if they have com Boswell because they're just

1431
01:08:51,240 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 4: getting absolutely carved up.

1432
01:08:52,760 --> 01:08:54,040
Speaker 2: By Boyd and Blackwell.

1433
01:08:54,479 --> 01:08:58,960
Speaker 4: But with Woggler, like in the games where he hasn't

1434
01:08:58,960 --> 01:09:01,280
Speaker 4: played as well and hasn't been able to score as effectively.

1435
01:09:02,200 --> 01:09:06,479
Speaker 4: I'm kind of looking at Boswell in Sooyakovic as part

1436
01:09:06,479 --> 01:09:09,360
Speaker 4: of the reason why, because I still have in my

1437
01:09:09,400 --> 01:09:12,559
Speaker 4: head this game at Maki where every decision he made

1438
01:09:12,600 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 4: was perfect, the step back threes and everything. But like

1439
01:09:14,800 --> 01:09:17,000
Speaker 4: it was the play of Jake Davis and Humrikallas and

1440
01:09:17,000 --> 01:09:19,120
Speaker 4: the Avisachs and and their ability to shoot it that

1441
01:09:19,240 --> 01:09:22,720
Speaker 4: is so key and Starakovich and bos will just mess

1442
01:09:22,760 --> 01:09:24,960
Speaker 4: with that a little bit because the spacing isn't as

1443
01:09:25,000 --> 01:09:27,160
Speaker 4: elite because those two guys don't just straight up don't

1444
01:09:27,200 --> 01:09:30,720
Speaker 4: demand a closeout. But then of course when those guys

1445
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,439
Speaker 4: are off the floor, it's just not as good of

1446
01:09:32,479 --> 01:09:34,360
Speaker 4: a defensive team. So I feel like that's kind of

1447
01:09:34,360 --> 01:09:36,760
Speaker 4: been the struggle for Brad. And I say this as

1448
01:09:36,760 --> 01:09:38,519
Speaker 4: a team that's obviously twenty four and seven in the year,

1449
01:09:38,520 --> 01:09:39,679
Speaker 4: fifth in KEMPO.

1450
01:09:39,800 --> 01:09:43,000
Speaker 2: You know, three of their four losses since Christmas.

1451
01:09:42,680 --> 01:09:45,400
Speaker 4: Coming in overtime, So like, obviously it's still an elite team,

1452
01:09:45,400 --> 01:09:47,479
Speaker 4: and there's as you point out, Stucky, there's there's room

1453
01:09:47,520 --> 01:09:48,519
Speaker 4: for three point regression.

1454
01:09:50,120 --> 01:09:52,960
Speaker 2: I I don't know, it'll be interesting.

1455
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,679
Speaker 4: I wonder if that second stab at Michigan is their

1456
01:09:55,680 --> 01:09:56,280
Speaker 4: best chance.

1457
01:09:57,640 --> 01:10:00,280
Speaker 2: It is Michigan's best chance to lose. But that's what

1458
01:10:00,320 --> 01:10:02,080
Speaker 2: stands out to me about the top of the bracket.

1459
01:10:02,439 --> 01:10:05,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean over the past since Boso returned, if

1460
01:10:05,439 --> 01:10:09,519
Speaker 1: they haven't looked as elite or I mean they had

1461
01:10:09,880 --> 01:10:12,720
Speaker 1: were historically good offensively before he came back. We were

1462
01:10:12,720 --> 01:10:14,880
Speaker 1: just looking at their overall profile. But part of that

1463
01:10:15,040 --> 01:10:18,519
Speaker 1: is they shot twenty nine point eight percent from three

1464
01:10:18,920 --> 01:10:21,720
Speaker 1: during those six games, so that that I think that

1465
01:10:21,840 --> 01:10:23,479
Speaker 1: explains a lot of it. By the way, over that

1466
01:10:23,479 --> 01:10:26,200
Speaker 1: same stretch, Michigan State is not known for shooting a

1467
01:10:26,360 --> 01:10:29,640
Speaker 1: shot over forty percent, and then Ohio State over the

1468
01:10:29,680 --> 01:10:33,160
Speaker 1: past six is forty six percent. Greg give any thoughts

1469
01:10:33,160 --> 01:10:36,360
Speaker 1: on Boswell and like, how does that fit in everything?

1470
01:10:37,560 --> 01:10:38,960
Speaker 1: Offensively or defensively?

1471
01:10:39,800 --> 01:10:42,280
Speaker 5: Yeah, I think he's more important to their defense than

1472
01:10:42,280 --> 01:10:46,920
Speaker 5: their offense. I also just, quite frankly, don't understand why

1473
01:10:46,960 --> 01:10:49,240
Speaker 5: he can't make shots. I mean, I know he had

1474
01:10:49,400 --> 01:10:53,280
Speaker 5: the broken hand or whatever fractured risk, but like he

1475
01:10:53,360 --> 01:10:55,679
Speaker 5: made shots in Arizona for two years. He was certainly

1476
01:10:55,680 --> 01:10:57,439
Speaker 5: billed as a guy that was supposed to make shots

1477
01:10:57,439 --> 01:10:59,519
Speaker 5: when he got to Illinois, and then yere one at

1478
01:10:59,520 --> 01:11:02,040
Speaker 5: Illinois he didn't and year two hasn't been much better.

1479
01:11:02,320 --> 01:11:06,200
Speaker 5: So I think he's their best perimeter defender. I think

1480
01:11:06,200 --> 01:11:08,160
Speaker 5: you want him out there. I think they run into

1481
01:11:08,200 --> 01:11:11,680
Speaker 5: issues when they play him and Stoyakovich together, but I

1482
01:11:11,680 --> 01:11:14,800
Speaker 5: also think the staff has mostly navigated that and figured

1483
01:11:14,840 --> 01:11:16,839
Speaker 5: that out. That's why Jake Davis is into the lineup

1484
01:11:16,840 --> 01:11:19,679
Speaker 5: and Stojakovic is off the bench, which creates its own

1485
01:11:19,680 --> 01:11:24,559
Speaker 5: set of issues. But no, I think one more body

1486
01:11:24,600 --> 01:11:26,640
Speaker 5: that is focused on defense is only a good thing

1487
01:11:26,680 --> 01:11:29,920
Speaker 5: for Illinois quite frankly, and they're going to need like

1488
01:11:29,920 --> 01:11:32,679
Speaker 5: like when you think about a hypothetical Illinois Michigan game,

1489
01:11:33,240 --> 01:11:35,639
Speaker 5: the reality is Illinois is going to need their top

1490
01:11:36,040 --> 01:11:38,759
Speaker 5: five guys to all play well. You don't beat Michigan

1491
01:11:38,760 --> 01:11:41,240
Speaker 5: if three of your five play well. Michigan State showed

1492
01:11:41,240 --> 01:11:43,880
Speaker 5: that tonight, and they're gonna need Boswell to make a

1493
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:44,720
Speaker 5: couple threes that they do.

1494
01:11:45,280 --> 01:11:48,559
Speaker 1: It's also worth mentioning that I think I think this

1495
01:11:48,600 --> 01:11:51,160
Speaker 1: happened today, but Underwood came out and said that Stakovich

1496
01:11:51,960 --> 01:11:56,040
Speaker 1: had a bad flu and lost like ten pounds when

1497
01:11:56,080 --> 01:11:58,599
Speaker 1: he was out a couple of games. What's with Illinois

1498
01:11:58,640 --> 01:12:00,840
Speaker 1: and like flues and sickness. I feel like this is

1499
01:12:00,840 --> 01:12:03,000
Speaker 1: the thing every year in February and March.

1500
01:12:03,400 --> 01:12:04,919
Speaker 3: Because it's the Underwood.

1501
01:12:04,920 --> 01:12:08,120
Speaker 5: It as stuck and he's very good at framing it

1502
01:12:08,160 --> 01:12:13,280
Speaker 5: as something else. But it's not that there's there's some

1503
01:12:13,400 --> 01:12:16,840
Speaker 5: Stoyakovich portal rumors going on behind the scenes. Brad was

1504
01:12:16,880 --> 01:12:19,080
Speaker 5: threatening not to bring him on the West coast trip.

1505
01:12:20,000 --> 01:12:22,880
Speaker 5: Now he's sick that he's returned to the lineup. It's

1506
01:12:22,920 --> 01:12:24,040
Speaker 5: it's just classic Brad.

1507
01:12:25,640 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 1: This always seems to happen with Illinois UH towards the

1508
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:32,639
Speaker 1: end of the year. Let's let's move to the bottom

1509
01:12:33,240 --> 01:12:36,920
Speaker 1: half of the bracket. If the chalk holds, we would

1510
01:12:36,920 --> 01:12:42,920
Speaker 1: get Nebraska Michigan State in the semis UH. It would

1511
01:12:42,960 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 1: be it would be interesting if Nebraska, you know, played

1512
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:50,080
Speaker 1: Michigan again. They can cause turnovers, they have mass who

1513
01:12:50,120 --> 01:12:52,479
Speaker 1: can shoot. They gave Michigan a decent run and they

1514
01:12:52,479 --> 01:12:57,320
Speaker 1: were not fully healthy earlier this season. But there are

1515
01:12:57,360 --> 01:13:02,439
Speaker 1: some potential other teams that could get there, namely Perdue,

1516
01:13:03,479 --> 01:13:07,360
Speaker 1: who if they beat Indiana, Penn State or Northwestern would

1517
01:13:07,479 --> 01:13:13,360
Speaker 1: face Nebraska, and Purdue recently won at Nebraska, and then

1518
01:13:13,439 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 1: UCLA if they get by Rutgers or Minnesota would take

1519
01:13:16,400 --> 01:13:21,240
Speaker 1: on Michigan State. Ucla got destroyed at Michigan State earlier

1520
01:13:21,280 --> 01:13:25,719
Speaker 1: this season, but Michigan State shopped what fourteen of twenty

1521
01:13:25,720 --> 01:13:28,800
Speaker 1: six from three. If Michigan State does that, they're going

1522
01:13:28,880 --> 01:13:33,000
Speaker 1: to destroy UCLA again. If they shoot like that from three,

1523
01:13:33,160 --> 01:13:35,439
Speaker 1: ken keep them out of transition. Probably gonna get crushed

1524
01:13:35,479 --> 01:13:40,120
Speaker 1: on the glass. One thing that I will bring up Ucla.

1525
01:13:40,800 --> 01:13:42,640
Speaker 1: So they've had a lot of issues defending off the

1526
01:13:42,640 --> 01:13:46,479
Speaker 1: ball and with like cutting action, and so when they

1527
01:13:46,479 --> 01:13:50,679
Speaker 1: played Minnesota, Minnesota cut them up basically with a five

1528
01:13:50,720 --> 01:13:54,439
Speaker 1: man lineup with no bench, and they were just getting

1529
01:13:54,439 --> 01:13:57,880
Speaker 1: destroyed by all of Medved's actions. In the press are

1530
01:13:57,880 --> 01:14:02,000
Speaker 1: after the game, Cronin said, if I if I play

1531
01:14:02,040 --> 01:14:04,320
Speaker 1: in Minnesota again, I'll sit in a two three zone

1532
01:14:04,360 --> 01:14:10,080
Speaker 1: for every second, which is like the most uncroning thing ever.

1533
01:14:10,120 --> 01:14:11,679
Speaker 1: And I was like, man, I hope we get to see.

1534
01:14:11,880 --> 01:14:13,920
Speaker 1: I want to see if he actually does it. I

1535
01:14:13,960 --> 01:14:16,479
Speaker 1: think over the past, the first five years of his tenure,

1536
01:14:16,479 --> 01:14:20,280
Speaker 1: you so, he ran a total of ninety six zone possessions.

1537
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:22,920
Speaker 1: This year he used a little bit more one hundred

1538
01:14:22,960 --> 01:14:25,920
Speaker 1: and ninety nine, So he's on He's more than doubled

1539
01:14:25,920 --> 01:14:29,599
Speaker 1: it his total zone possessions over five years this year,

1540
01:14:30,240 --> 01:14:33,160
Speaker 1: and he's Crona's talked a lot about how like you

1541
01:14:33,280 --> 01:14:35,559
Speaker 1: just can't get defenses just aren't at the same level

1542
01:14:36,160 --> 01:14:39,360
Speaker 1: because of you know, the portal nil, right, you just

1543
01:14:39,400 --> 01:14:41,360
Speaker 1: don't have these guys that are around for years learning

1544
01:14:41,360 --> 01:14:44,240
Speaker 1: your defensive system. So I do want to see if

1545
01:14:44,280 --> 01:14:48,040
Speaker 1: Mick Cronin in a postseason game would go zone for

1546
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:50,519
Speaker 1: an entire game, which is like the most uncroning thing ever.

1547
01:14:52,280 --> 01:14:57,720
Speaker 1: But first thoughts on the bottom half of the bracket, Greg.

1548
01:14:57,960 --> 01:14:59,240
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm gonna have a hard time.

1549
01:15:00,000 --> 01:15:03,599
Speaker 5: I'm not talking myself into a Purdue run here, and

1550
01:15:03,640 --> 01:15:08,519
Speaker 5: it's mostly draw related. They get Nebraska, who they have

1551
01:15:08,680 --> 01:15:11,840
Speaker 5: owned in the Braden Smith, Fletcher Lawyer, Trey Coffman ren era.

1552
01:15:12,720 --> 01:15:14,920
Speaker 5: Game in Lincoln came down to the wire this year,

1553
01:15:15,400 --> 01:15:17,200
Speaker 5: but they were up twenty in the first half.

1554
01:15:17,680 --> 01:15:21,439
Speaker 3: They blitzed them in the meeting last year. It just

1555
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:22,680
Speaker 3: really is schematic to me.

1556
01:15:22,760 --> 01:15:28,960
Speaker 5: Nebraska's whole swarm post touches, cut off dribble, penetration, scramble

1557
01:15:29,040 --> 01:15:33,000
Speaker 5: to shooters really bait you into three point attempts. That

1558
01:15:33,040 --> 01:15:36,920
Speaker 5: doesn't work against a Braden Smith led offense with forty

1559
01:15:36,920 --> 01:15:40,800
Speaker 5: percent shooters everywhere. They have shown the ability to carve

1560
01:15:40,880 --> 01:15:44,400
Speaker 5: this in the entirety of his tenure. I think they

1561
01:15:44,400 --> 01:15:46,800
Speaker 5: are going to salivate that matchup, and I'd be very

1562
01:15:46,840 --> 01:15:48,200
Speaker 5: surprised if they struggle with it.

1563
01:15:48,720 --> 01:15:50,240
Speaker 3: If you assume they get through.

1564
01:15:50,160 --> 01:15:52,240
Speaker 5: You know, a round one game would probably be Indiana,

1565
01:15:53,040 --> 01:15:58,120
Speaker 5: Round two Nebraska. Now you're in the semi it's Michigan

1566
01:15:58,120 --> 01:16:01,840
Speaker 5: State or UCLA. Both game came down to the final possession.

1567
01:16:02,479 --> 01:16:04,799
Speaker 5: Perdue came out on the wrong side of those games,

1568
01:16:05,640 --> 01:16:07,200
Speaker 5: and I would like them in a rematch.

1569
01:16:07,720 --> 01:16:09,880
Speaker 1: They have a game won, you went on like a

1570
01:16:09,880 --> 01:16:11,840
Speaker 1: crazy run in the final minute.

1571
01:16:11,640 --> 01:16:13,760
Speaker 5: Had it won, and I think they felt they were

1572
01:16:13,760 --> 01:16:16,639
Speaker 5: better than Michigan State in Macki in that stretch as well.

1573
01:16:16,960 --> 01:16:20,439
Speaker 5: So look, I've tried hard. I mean, I think you

1574
01:16:20,479 --> 01:16:22,639
Speaker 5: know this stuck, but I mean, I host a show

1575
01:16:22,680 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 5: with Braden Smith. I've tried very hard to stay away

1576
01:16:25,240 --> 01:16:28,120
Speaker 5: from just being biased to a guy I'm rooting for.

1577
01:16:29,200 --> 01:16:31,519
Speaker 5: This broke about as well as it could have for

1578
01:16:31,600 --> 01:16:34,519
Speaker 5: Purdue from a matchup standpoint, And I do know this,

1579
01:16:34,720 --> 01:16:39,120
Speaker 5: these guys take serious pride in the idea of winning

1580
01:16:39,320 --> 01:16:42,240
Speaker 5: in this league, and they it weighs on them that

1581
01:16:42,280 --> 01:16:44,240
Speaker 5: they did not. This is the preseason number one team

1582
01:16:44,280 --> 01:16:47,320
Speaker 5: in the country. I don't think anyone envisioned Michigan being

1583
01:16:47,320 --> 01:16:51,040
Speaker 5: what they are, but these guys feel they they did

1584
01:16:51,040 --> 01:16:52,800
Speaker 5: not hold up their end of the bargain at home.

1585
01:16:53,439 --> 01:16:55,760
Speaker 5: They're gonna get some opportunities if this breaks the way

1586
01:16:55,800 --> 01:16:58,200
Speaker 5: I think it is to avenge some of those and

1587
01:16:58,720 --> 01:17:02,000
Speaker 5: maybe stare down Michigan in a championship rematch. So nine

1588
01:17:02,000 --> 01:17:04,760
Speaker 5: to one is what I super due at it one sportsbook.

1589
01:17:04,800 --> 01:17:06,720
Speaker 5: I know you mentioned six to one, make sure you

1590
01:17:06,760 --> 01:17:09,880
Speaker 5: probably shop out there, but nine to one, it's gonna

1591
01:17:09,880 --> 01:17:10,639
Speaker 5: be on my card.

1592
01:17:11,840 --> 01:17:16,840
Speaker 1: My only concern would be is, yeah, I don't hate

1593
01:17:16,880 --> 01:17:22,240
Speaker 1: that at nine to one, But my only concern would be,

1594
01:17:22,360 --> 01:17:27,320
Speaker 1: are they we talked about this like they are they

1595
01:17:27,479 --> 01:17:31,360
Speaker 1: just ready for the actual tournament? This like very you

1596
01:17:31,400 --> 01:17:33,720
Speaker 1: know the veterans of this team. Are they ready to

1597
01:17:33,800 --> 01:17:37,760
Speaker 1: just get get me to the tournament? And Painter, it's

1598
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,000
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's one to ten against the

1599
01:17:39,000 --> 01:17:41,679
Speaker 1: spread in the tournament over the past four years.

1600
01:17:42,880 --> 01:17:45,640
Speaker 3: I have two things on that stuck so thing.

1601
01:17:45,720 --> 01:17:48,920
Speaker 5: Number One, Branden has the assist record to chase down

1602
01:17:49,920 --> 01:17:51,120
Speaker 5: and they all know this.

1603
01:17:51,720 --> 01:17:53,040
Speaker 3: He needs games to do that.

1604
01:17:53,280 --> 01:17:56,240
Speaker 5: He's on pace at his current trajectory to do it

1605
01:17:56,240 --> 01:17:57,400
Speaker 5: in five games.

1606
01:17:58,000 --> 01:17:59,760
Speaker 3: You tell me, is that a national title run in

1607
01:17:59,840 --> 01:18:00,400
Speaker 3: mar Is.

1608
01:18:00,400 --> 01:18:02,240
Speaker 5: That three games in the Big Ten tournament and then

1609
01:18:02,439 --> 01:18:08,200
Speaker 5: like it's on track if you win a couple of years. Second, Purdue,

1610
01:18:08,600 --> 01:18:11,639
Speaker 5: they've been accused of not taking the Big Ten title

1611
01:18:11,800 --> 01:18:14,479
Speaker 5: tournament title. All that serious and I think you go

1612
01:18:14,560 --> 01:18:18,680
Speaker 5: back their freshman year, Braiden Fletcher Trey, they lost to

1613
01:18:18,720 --> 01:18:21,320
Speaker 5: the sixteen seed in the tournament after winning the Big

1614
01:18:21,360 --> 01:18:21,960
Speaker 5: Ten Tournament.

1615
01:18:22,960 --> 01:18:25,200
Speaker 3: They all, whether right or wrong, the.

1616
01:18:25,160 --> 01:18:28,040
Speaker 5: Coaching staff sort of pinned the idea that we were

1617
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:30,000
Speaker 5: out of gas because we made a run to the

1618
01:18:30,000 --> 01:18:31,400
Speaker 5: conference tournament title game.

1619
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:36,240
Speaker 3: Since then, these last two years, they have managed those games.

1620
01:18:36,280 --> 01:18:38,800
Speaker 5: Matt Painter has managed those games in a sense of

1621
01:18:38,880 --> 01:18:42,280
Speaker 5: we're not interested in being here long. If you listen

1622
01:18:42,320 --> 01:18:46,200
Speaker 5: to their senior day festivities, he promised the opposite, and

1623
01:18:46,240 --> 01:18:48,440
Speaker 5: it's a total change of tune. I mean, he told

1624
01:18:49,040 --> 01:18:53,240
Speaker 5: made this his coach speak to fans. He flat out said, listen,

1625
01:18:53,320 --> 01:18:55,680
Speaker 5: Braiden's got an assist record. We need three games at

1626
01:18:55,680 --> 01:18:58,280
Speaker 5: the Big Ten Tournament. We are going for that championship.

1627
01:18:58,640 --> 01:18:59,320
Speaker 5: Word for word.

1628
01:19:00,000 --> 01:19:01,720
Speaker 1: Do you think they're bought in? They're gonna be bought

1629
01:19:01,760 --> 01:19:02,400
Speaker 1: in for this weekend.

1630
01:19:02,720 --> 01:19:04,880
Speaker 5: It was enough for me because it's I mean, he

1631
01:19:04,960 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 5: has ducked it the last two years and for him

1632
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:08,639
Speaker 5: to be that direct about it.

1633
01:19:08,760 --> 01:19:10,800
Speaker 3: I and I just loved the Nebraska matchup.

1634
01:19:10,880 --> 01:19:10,960
Speaker 2: Right.

1635
01:19:10,960 --> 01:19:13,760
Speaker 5: If they get to that Nebraska game, that's the team

1636
01:19:13,800 --> 01:19:16,280
Speaker 5: they wanted to see and then I think all bets

1637
01:19:16,280 --> 01:19:17,559
Speaker 5: are off from there, so.

1638
01:19:17,560 --> 01:19:18,479
Speaker 2: I'm aligned there.

1639
01:19:18,800 --> 01:19:21,679
Speaker 4: Like, the same thing came to mind of they haven't

1640
01:19:21,680 --> 01:19:23,240
Speaker 4: been good in the last two big two tournaments. Was

1641
01:19:23,240 --> 01:19:25,840
Speaker 4: it Maryland that beat the breaks off the last year

1642
01:19:25,960 --> 01:19:27,400
Speaker 4: or was that ill No, it was Michigan.

1643
01:19:27,400 --> 01:19:29,840
Speaker 2: They lost to Michigan last year. Yeah, but.

1644
01:19:31,560 --> 01:19:34,719
Speaker 4: Considering, like I understand the idea of when your preseason

1645
01:19:34,800 --> 01:19:36,960
Speaker 4: number one, when you've been there, done that in this

1646
01:19:37,080 --> 01:19:40,360
Speaker 4: league and in the NCAA tournament, what you're thinking about

1647
01:19:40,439 --> 01:19:43,080
Speaker 4: is cutting down the nets and when things started to struggle,

1648
01:19:43,080 --> 01:19:46,000
Speaker 4: which minds you you lose to Illinois when with an

1649
01:19:46,120 --> 01:19:49,120
Speaker 4: absolutely unconscious like eight plus plus reforms from them, A

1650
01:19:49,160 --> 01:19:50,679
Speaker 4: two point road loss on the West Coast.

1651
01:19:51,160 --> 01:19:52,120
Speaker 2: The Indiana game was tough.

1652
01:19:52,120 --> 01:19:53,599
Speaker 4: Pretty would have won that game if there was another

1653
01:19:53,640 --> 01:19:55,479
Speaker 4: minute on the clock, Like they had figured things out,

1654
01:19:55,920 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 4: and things have been have been tougher lately, and you

1655
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,040
Speaker 4: can point to a lot of different things that this

1656
01:20:01,080 --> 01:20:05,400
Speaker 4: team doesn't do great and on the spectrum of the

1657
01:20:05,400 --> 01:20:07,559
Speaker 4: for seed last year when you had Heidi and Colvin

1658
01:20:07,600 --> 01:20:10,480
Speaker 4: and their defensive versatility and shooting on the wings versus

1659
01:20:10,800 --> 01:20:13,600
Speaker 4: what you picked up and just some added depth and

1660
01:20:13,720 --> 01:20:16,200
Speaker 4: you know, Cocks getting better and Kluff being able to

1661
01:20:16,240 --> 01:20:19,840
Speaker 4: dominate certain matchups. They fall somewhere in the middle from

1662
01:20:19,880 --> 01:20:21,840
Speaker 4: that preseas number one. They were expected in that four

1663
01:20:21,880 --> 01:20:24,160
Speaker 4: seed that they were, and that for seed that they were,

1664
01:20:25,680 --> 01:20:28,200
Speaker 4: could it be Houston. They came down to the last

1665
01:20:28,200 --> 01:20:30,479
Speaker 4: play in their eighth and kempom after all of this

1666
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,599
Speaker 4: and everyone wanting to crap on them and everything.

1667
01:20:33,920 --> 01:20:35,479
Speaker 2: So that leads me to.

1668
01:20:35,560 --> 01:20:40,720
Speaker 4: You know, total alignment of Purdue against Nebraska outrebounded them,

1669
01:20:40,720 --> 01:20:44,240
Speaker 4: what fifty four to thirty seven in Nebraska. Defensive rebounding

1670
01:20:44,280 --> 01:20:46,880
Speaker 4: has just been the way they guard. I know they

1671
01:20:47,160 --> 01:20:49,519
Speaker 4: grated out find this defensive rebound team, but that's their

1672
01:20:49,560 --> 01:20:51,640
Speaker 4: biggest agent. That's the number one on the scouting port

1673
01:20:51,640 --> 01:20:53,559
Speaker 4: when they're playing Michigan State or Purdue or these teams

1674
01:20:53,640 --> 01:20:56,760
Speaker 4: Illinois is can we keep them off the offensive glass?

1675
01:20:57,880 --> 01:20:58,439
Speaker 2: And then on the.

1676
01:20:58,479 --> 01:21:00,400
Speaker 4: Emotional side, I just totally agree with Greg. This is

1677
01:21:00,400 --> 01:21:03,240
Speaker 4: their senior year. Now you know those four you're the

1678
01:21:03,320 --> 01:21:05,960
Speaker 4: seventh seed in the Big Ten. That is not what

1679
01:21:06,040 --> 01:21:08,360
Speaker 4: was the plan so to win a Big Ten tournament

1680
01:21:08,479 --> 01:21:11,120
Speaker 4: to and I know, you know, Michigan got kind of

1681
01:21:11,160 --> 01:21:13,759
Speaker 4: screwed with a five seed last year. You know, maybe

1682
01:21:13,760 --> 01:21:16,400
Speaker 4: that's in mind of if we win the Big ten

1683
01:21:16,479 --> 01:21:18,439
Speaker 4: or amount Sunday, does that game even move us up

1684
01:21:18,680 --> 01:21:19,240
Speaker 4: a seed line?

1685
01:21:19,320 --> 01:21:21,599
Speaker 2: Could we get to a two after all this?

1686
01:21:22,720 --> 01:21:26,120
Speaker 4: We'll see if if they beat Michigan and you know,

1687
01:21:26,600 --> 01:21:29,000
Speaker 4: if they beat Nebraska Michigan State in Michigan, they should

1688
01:21:29,000 --> 01:21:29,639
Speaker 4: be a two seed.

1689
01:21:30,160 --> 01:21:31,200
Speaker 2: There's a lot to play for.

1690
01:21:31,640 --> 01:21:36,200
Speaker 4: I still think they're a very very good team and stylistically.

1691
01:21:36,240 --> 01:21:38,320
Speaker 4: One other note, what was interesting about that Michigan game.

1692
01:21:39,400 --> 01:21:41,840
Speaker 4: A couple notes that stand out. Mara fouled out in

1693
01:21:41,880 --> 01:21:46,360
Speaker 4: eighteen minutes number two. They let TKR rock. They did

1694
01:21:46,360 --> 01:21:48,000
Speaker 4: the thing that Yukon did for Zach Edie in the

1695
01:21:48,040 --> 01:21:50,400
Speaker 4: championship game. They said, if you want to go death

1696
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:54,240
Speaker 4: by TKR, like, we can do that. But when Michigan

1697
01:21:54,280 --> 01:21:56,120
Speaker 4: shoots fifty seven percent from three, they're gonna beat everyone

1698
01:21:56,160 --> 01:21:56,719
Speaker 4: in the country.

1699
01:21:57,080 --> 01:21:58,680
Speaker 2: So I don't know.

1700
01:21:58,720 --> 01:22:00,880
Speaker 4: For me, it's more like Jacobson there when it's Mara

1701
01:22:01,040 --> 01:22:03,000
Speaker 4: is just a problem because mar is just so much

1702
01:22:03,000 --> 01:22:05,200
Speaker 4: better than him, and they needed Omar.

1703
01:22:05,000 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 2: Meyer to create for himself a bit. CJ. Cox me's

1704
01:22:09,200 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 2: the X factor.

1705
01:22:09,640 --> 01:22:12,120
Speaker 4: I was at the Purdue Northwestern game, like his ability

1706
01:22:12,160 --> 01:22:14,280
Speaker 4: to shoot from deep is so so key. And when

1707
01:22:14,280 --> 01:22:16,240
Speaker 4: you speak of no Covid and Heidi from last year,

1708
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:18,160
Speaker 4: and like, if you want to say, is this team

1709
01:22:18,200 --> 01:22:21,080
Speaker 4: better with with Kloff or if you had Covid and Heidi,

1710
01:22:21,160 --> 01:22:24,760
Speaker 4: still I lean towards Kluff because you just it's just

1711
01:22:24,800 --> 01:22:27,240
Speaker 4: not sustainable to have TKR at the five in every matchup.

1712
01:22:28,439 --> 01:22:30,120
Speaker 4: I've been on and on about Perdue, but this is

1713
01:22:30,120 --> 01:22:31,680
Speaker 4: me saying if you can get them at nine to one,

1714
01:22:31,680 --> 01:22:33,439
Speaker 4: that that's my bet too for this tournament.

1715
01:22:33,920 --> 01:22:39,120
Speaker 1: Yeah, is a Kluff then he makes it tough, sometimes

1716
01:22:39,120 --> 01:22:43,479
Speaker 1: defensively and served matchups. That's kind of the the trade

1717
01:22:43,520 --> 01:22:45,559
Speaker 1: off where they can they can get lost the times.

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01:22:45,560 --> 01:22:47,000
Speaker 1: But I'm gonna make it a consensus. I agree with

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01:22:47,040 --> 01:22:49,840
Speaker 1: you guys. I think Perdue is the look in the

1720
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:53,600
Speaker 1: bottom half. And then you know, we talked about Wisconsin Illinois.

1721
01:22:54,040 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 1: You might get some help. One of them, maybe knocks

1722
01:22:57,600 --> 01:23:04,880
Speaker 1: off Michigan, which obviously wouldn't hurt their probability. Uh yeah,

1723
01:23:05,040 --> 01:23:08,400
Speaker 1: that's all I have. I was, I mean, UCLI is

1724
01:23:08,439 --> 01:23:10,240
Speaker 1: playing better, but they're in a different time zone.

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Speaker 2: I can't I think, I think, I yeah they can.

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01:23:14,920 --> 01:23:16,680
Speaker 1: I need to see I need to see them do

1727
01:23:16,800 --> 01:23:19,240
Speaker 1: it against big Think what are they like? I think

1728
01:23:19,240 --> 01:23:22,559
Speaker 1: they're like twenty one and three at home against big

1729
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,000
Speaker 1: ten teams over the last two years, and then they're

1730
01:23:25,040 --> 01:23:30,880
Speaker 1: like three and twelve in other time zones. It's pretty

1731
01:23:31,040 --> 01:23:32,760
Speaker 1: it's pretty stark. But yeah, they could make a right

1732
01:23:32,840 --> 01:23:34,320
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't think they match up terribly. Of

1733
01:23:34,400 --> 01:23:36,879
Speaker 1: Michigan State, I is gonna crush them on the boards,

1734
01:23:37,439 --> 01:23:39,720
Speaker 1: but they can slow it to that big Michigan State

1735
01:23:40,360 --> 01:23:42,840
Speaker 1: can't shoot well from three. If they do, it's lights

1736
01:23:42,840 --> 01:23:45,280
Speaker 1: outter you. So, but I don't think they match up terribly.

1737
01:23:47,200 --> 01:23:50,400
Speaker 1: So yeah, I wouldn't mind anyone that wants to take

1738
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,240
Speaker 1: a look at UCLA. Not for me though, in this tourney.

1739
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:54,639
Speaker 2: What do you guys think about UCLA for the NCAA tournament?

1740
01:23:55,560 --> 01:23:57,519
Speaker 3: I have a Final four ticket, let's go.

1741
01:23:57,600 --> 01:23:58,680
Speaker 2: What are the adds?

1742
01:23:59,120 --> 01:24:01,800
Speaker 3: Oh I forget? This is like a one hundred and

1743
01:24:01,960 --> 01:24:02,479
Speaker 3: ten to one.

1744
01:24:02,520 --> 01:24:06,040
Speaker 2: I think some crazy no way, Yeah, I would look

1745
01:24:06,080 --> 01:24:06,200
Speaker 2: to you.

1746
01:24:06,320 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it sounded like last I saw I

1747
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:11,960
Speaker 1: was like seventy five eighty to one. But much more

1748
01:24:11,960 --> 01:24:13,759
Speaker 1: to come on that front. We'll have tons of coverage

1749
01:24:13,760 --> 01:24:16,880
Speaker 1: of the NCAA tournament, but that'll do it for us

1750
01:24:17,400 --> 01:24:19,320
Speaker 1: that had you covered on the Big ten conference to

1751
01:24:19,400 --> 01:24:26,439
Speaker 1: USA Big twelve acc Jim, myself and Kai covered five

1752
01:24:26,720 --> 01:24:31,160
Speaker 1: other leagues. That episode will be out shortly. We'll do

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Speaker 1: five more tomorrow. Have you covered on All thirty one?

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