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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast AM on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George nor

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Speaker 1: with you. Let me tell you about Sean McNamara's career.

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Speaker 1: He's also a noted author a number of books out there,

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Speaker 1: including Mind at Site, Signal and Noise, Renegade, Mystic, Defy

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Speaker 1: Your Limits. These are different book titles, and his website

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Speaker 1: is mind Possible dot com, which we've got linked up

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Speaker 1: for you at Coast to Coast. Sean teaches meditation and

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Speaker 1: consciousness exploration through psychic development. Specifically, he has taught telekinesis

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Speaker 1: that's moving objects, remote viewing, mind sight, lucid dreaming, how

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Speaker 1: to have an out of body experience. He grew up

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Speaker 1: overseas was exposed to a variety of spiritual traditions. Early

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Speaker 1: incidents in his life of illness and surgery brought about

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Speaker 1: a very persistent fear and contemplation of death and of

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Speaker 1: what happens afterward. In his twenties, he became a Buddhist

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Speaker 1: practitioner in order to use meditation as a way to

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Speaker 1: investigate the nature of consciousness and reality. Realizing that many

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Speaker 1: traditions eventually became rigid and limiting out of a need

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Speaker 1: for self preservation and at the cost of each individual's

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Speaker 1: very unique development. He left that path that he had

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Speaker 1: been following, and he no longer identifies with any single religion. Instead,

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Speaker 1: he explores consciousness and reality through meditation and psychic experiences. Sean,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. Looking forward to chatting with you tonight.

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Speaker 1: Thanks so much, George. I'm really happy to be here

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Speaker 1: and how and you are a friend of our dear

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Speaker 1: friend Caroline Corey. She's great, Well, she is great, and

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Speaker 1: I was really fortunate to be invited to be part

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Speaker 1: of a movie, Superhuman, which came out last year. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: of course for me, that's kind of the end of

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Speaker 1: a long road. So a lot of work went into

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Speaker 1: developing myself. And then someone she knew told her about me,

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Speaker 1: and then we spoke, and then she decided that at

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Speaker 1: the last moment that she wanted to include me. Ah

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Speaker 1: fortunate to be able to work with her because she

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Speaker 1: was wonderful to work with and her whole crew is

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Speaker 1: really great. Let's go way back to the beginning for you.

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Speaker 1: How did this all start for you? Well, when I

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Speaker 1: was about seven years old, I had appendicitis and I

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Speaker 1: didn't know what it was seven years old. Yeah, Oh

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Speaker 1: a couple of days of extreme pain without knowing what

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Speaker 1: the hospital and rushed me into surgery. Uptured in it

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Speaker 1: did They'd ruptured as they were taking it out, And

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Speaker 1: they told me that afterward, and he told me that

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Speaker 1: I was so lucky because if they had waited any longer,

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Speaker 1: or I could have died. Yes, And that was when

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Speaker 1: I started thinking about the fact that I'm mortal, that

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Speaker 1: people that at that age think about death, but I

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Speaker 1: started thinking about it a lot. For some reason. It

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Speaker 1: and I think it did. I've always been a pretty

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Speaker 1: serious person or stoic, my mom describes me, but I

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Speaker 1: think this played a role in that. And I come

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Speaker 1: from a Catholic family, so at the time I grew

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Speaker 1: my own mortalities. I got older, I had lumps removed

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Speaker 1: find my own way. So in my early twenties, I

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Speaker 1: reading books of all these people, Edgar Casey, Edward rupelt On, UFOs,

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Speaker 1: she's influenced so many people, and I think people like

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Speaker 1: the rat pack with Sinatra group. Oh wow, long time ago. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Now you had an out of body experience at what age?

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Speaker 1: And I thought, if I can do this on my own,

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Speaker 1: And I found books by William Billman, which was great

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Speaker 1: And so if you break everything down to information, including time,

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Speaker 1: traveling to other realms, it all boils down to consciousness.

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