1 00:00:01,440 --> 00:00:06,520 Speaker 1: Bodybags, but Joseph's gotten more. I gotta tell you, I 2 00:00:06,600 --> 00:00:08,680 Speaker 1: really did not think I was going to be coming 3 00:00:08,720 --> 00:00:14,080 Speaker 1: back to this case this soon. And for further reference, 4 00:00:14,640 --> 00:00:20,600 Speaker 1: I direct you to our April sixteenth episode of Body 5 00:00:20,720 --> 00:00:25,920 Speaker 1: Backs for the initial the initial conversation that we had 6 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,440 Speaker 1: about the topic at hand. The reason that I did 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:35,159 Speaker 1: not think I would be returning to this topic was 8 00:00:35,240 --> 00:00:42,879 Speaker 1: because we had a unique from a crumb Son standpoint, 9 00:00:42,920 --> 00:00:46,520 Speaker 1: a unique event happened in Birmingham. We wound up having 10 00:00:47,360 --> 00:00:54,720 Speaker 1: a serial killer, slash mass shooter. I've never heard of 11 00:00:54,760 --> 00:00:59,200 Speaker 1: this before. It just popped onto my radar. We had 12 00:00:59,240 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: fourteen people that well, my friends, there's an update, and 13 00:01:05,280 --> 00:01:09,200 Speaker 1: I aim to give it to you right now, and 14 00:01:09,240 --> 00:01:13,040 Speaker 1: you're not going to believe it. I'm Joseph Scott Morgan, 15 00:01:13,319 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: and this is Bodybacks. Damon McDaniel. We've already spent quite 16 00:01:22,800 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: a bit of time talking about this person and Dave, 17 00:01:31,440 --> 00:01:36,319 Speaker 1: by my count, at that time, he was responsible for 18 00:01:36,480 --> 00:01:41,600 Speaker 1: fourteen homicides that could be laid at his feet, along 19 00:01:41,680 --> 00:01:48,280 Speaker 1: with a myriad of other crimes involving people that were 20 00:01:48,320 --> 00:01:55,000 Speaker 1: injured as a result of his shooting spreeze. And today 21 00:01:55,200 --> 00:01:57,919 Speaker 1: I don't know. I can't remember. My day's all run together. 22 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:02,160 Speaker 1: I can't remember what day it was, but I sent 23 00:02:02,200 --> 00:02:06,000 Speaker 1: you an article maybe three days ago, four days ago. 24 00:02:07,800 --> 00:02:11,640 Speaker 1: He's I hate to use the word credited, but he 25 00:02:11,720 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: has now been credited with four more homicides. Dave, is 26 00:02:17,320 --> 00:02:19,720 Speaker 1: this going to end? Can you give me some hope 27 00:02:19,720 --> 00:02:22,800 Speaker 1: here that there's not going to be more. I have 28 00:02:22,880 --> 00:02:27,920 Speaker 1: to think that this person is responsible for a goodly 29 00:02:28,040 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 1: percentage of Birmingham's homicides. If he was not in the population, 30 00:02:35,760 --> 00:02:39,080 Speaker 1: Birmingham's homicide body count would not be as high as 31 00:02:39,080 --> 00:02:41,359 Speaker 1: it is. And when I say, you know, there's a 32 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:45,639 Speaker 1: term you use in statistics when you're studying them in 33 00:02:45,800 --> 00:02:49,639 Speaker 1: college and that sort of thing, and it's called when 34 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,880 Speaker 1: you talk about something an anomaly or of finding that 35 00:02:52,919 --> 00:02:56,720 Speaker 1: you have during research, you say that it's statistically significant. 36 00:02:57,320 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: This is statistically significant when taking the broad view of Birmingham, 37 00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:06,680 Speaker 1: Alabama and the homicides that they have in that fair city. 38 00:03:07,320 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: But you got to figure that the reason we did 39 00:03:09,240 --> 00:03:12,840 Speaker 2: the show a month ago was because Damian McDaniel was 40 00:03:12,880 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 2: responsible for fourteen murders in fourteen months, allegedly, and we 41 00:03:18,200 --> 00:03:21,880 Speaker 2: hadn't heard anything about it outside of our area. And 42 00:03:22,120 --> 00:03:23,960 Speaker 2: since both of you, you and I both work on 43 00:03:24,080 --> 00:03:27,560 Speaker 2: national shows on a regular basis, it's odd that a 44 00:03:27,639 --> 00:03:31,200 Speaker 2: story like this doesn't gain some traction somewhere. We have 45 00:03:32,480 --> 00:03:36,880 Speaker 2: a number of cases of deaths around Lady Bird Lake 46 00:03:36,920 --> 00:03:41,680 Speaker 2: in Austin, Texas, and we've done shows on that. But 47 00:03:41,880 --> 00:03:46,880 Speaker 2: this there was fourteen and fourteen months and now four 48 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 2: weeks after, we're doing a show because four new victims 49 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,840 Speaker 2: have been added to the count for Damian McDaniel, and 50 00:03:54,000 --> 00:03:59,480 Speaker 2: in one end, sadly, yeah, sadly, one is an unborn child, 51 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:05,160 Speaker 2: Angelia Webster, Christian Norris and the couple's unborn child and 52 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:09,280 Speaker 2: another man named Reginald Bryant have been added to the 53 00:04:09,400 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 2: list of alleged victims of Damian McDaniel. Sadly, I don't 54 00:04:14,680 --> 00:04:16,360 Speaker 2: think we're going to even stop there, Joe. I think 55 00:04:16,400 --> 00:04:16,920 Speaker 2: there's more. 56 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:24,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm just thinking. I'm just thinking. You know, I 57 00:04:24,680 --> 00:04:30,080 Speaker 1: guess you when you begin to kind of explore this 58 00:04:30,240 --> 00:04:35,760 Speaker 1: idea of this mismatch and listen, I urge anybody to 59 00:04:35,800 --> 00:04:38,480 Speaker 1: reach out to me if they've ever heard of a 60 00:04:38,520 --> 00:04:42,160 Speaker 1: combo like this, because I haven't. I have not come 61 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:48,800 Speaker 1: across a combo where you've got serialized homicides and that 62 00:04:48,960 --> 00:04:52,640 Speaker 1: means that they take place on different dates. First off, 63 00:04:52,680 --> 00:04:54,719 Speaker 1: you have to have I think it's three or more 64 00:04:54,800 --> 00:05:00,719 Speaker 1: to qualify to be a serial killer. Our man hits 65 00:05:00,720 --> 00:05:06,440 Speaker 1: the jackpot because now he stands at eighteen and in 66 00:05:06,600 --> 00:05:13,440 Speaker 1: concert with that, he's been involved in mass shootings. It's 67 00:05:13,839 --> 00:05:18,320 Speaker 1: a real head scratcher, you know. I would I'd love 68 00:05:18,400 --> 00:05:23,520 Speaker 1: to know what you know from the Behavioral Sciences Unit 69 00:05:23,760 --> 00:05:26,480 Speaker 1: at the FBI. I'd love to know if they've studied 70 00:05:26,520 --> 00:05:30,200 Speaker 1: anything like this before, you know, and I would imagine 71 00:05:30,240 --> 00:05:32,800 Speaker 1: that it has happened. It's not something that happens on 72 00:05:33,120 --> 00:05:36,000 Speaker 1: Serial killing is not something that happens on a regular basis. 73 00:05:36,040 --> 00:05:39,120 Speaker 1: I know everybody thinks that it does. But the reason 74 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:44,599 Speaker 1: it splash is so big is because they're not caught 75 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:50,240 Speaker 1: as often as people think they are. But in this case, 76 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:56,440 Speaker 1: I think that the police, the investigators have done Yeoman's 77 00:05:56,480 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 1: work in kind of connecting the dots with him movements 78 00:06:01,320 --> 00:06:03,960 Speaker 1: and the movements of I think he's got colleagues that 79 00:06:04,000 --> 00:06:08,680 Speaker 1: are involved in this as well that have Yeah, colleagues. 80 00:06:08,279 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: Right that kind of hit that that hit me the 81 00:06:10,480 --> 00:06:10,960 Speaker 3: wrong way. 82 00:06:10,960 --> 00:06:16,159 Speaker 1: So yeah, Wow, Well, compatriots, I don't know. I don't 83 00:06:16,160 --> 00:06:18,800 Speaker 1: know fellow desperadoes. I don't know how we could how 84 00:06:18,839 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: we could class for it. 85 00:06:20,400 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: I just try to figure out. 86 00:06:21,720 --> 00:06:24,040 Speaker 2: You have mass killers and you have serial killers, and 87 00:06:24,120 --> 00:06:29,520 Speaker 2: then you have other homicides. But when I look at 88 00:06:29,520 --> 00:06:31,839 Speaker 2: this Joe and it's just me, I think of a 89 00:06:31,880 --> 00:06:36,920 Speaker 2: mass killer as somebody who comes into a specific area 90 00:06:37,440 --> 00:06:39,560 Speaker 2: and shoots up the joint or kills a number of 91 00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:43,520 Speaker 2: people in a very short window and leaves or takes 92 00:06:43,520 --> 00:06:46,760 Speaker 2: their own life, whereas a serial killer is somebody who 93 00:06:47,000 --> 00:06:51,839 Speaker 2: is hunting and can take several years, as we've seen 94 00:06:51,839 --> 00:06:55,040 Speaker 2: in many cases where they change up the mo even 95 00:06:55,320 --> 00:06:57,720 Speaker 2: you know, they kill one way for a while and 96 00:06:57,760 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 2: then go away and come back and do it differently. 97 00:07:00,160 --> 00:07:03,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, they could. There's there's some there's some indication out 98 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:08,320 Speaker 1: there that there's some people think that there's an attempt 99 00:07:08,400 --> 00:07:17,280 Speaker 1: to I don't know too behave the way another previous 100 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 1: serial killer has this kind of masking that goes on, 101 00:07:21,280 --> 00:07:23,720 Speaker 1: And I don't think that these people can really extend 102 00:07:23,760 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 1: that far out to change their ways. They get very 103 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:29,840 Speaker 1: comfortable with it. Oh and by the way, I want 104 00:07:29,920 --> 00:07:31,800 Speaker 1: to tell you this, I'm going to throw something out 105 00:07:31,840 --> 00:07:33,440 Speaker 1: to you here that you may not have heard this 106 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:38,680 Speaker 1: term before, and it might apply to this guy. I 107 00:07:38,760 --> 00:07:40,880 Speaker 1: used the word comfortable just a second ago. Did you 108 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:46,360 Speaker 1: know that there are within there's multiple different type typologies 109 00:07:46,400 --> 00:07:51,640 Speaker 1: of serial killers. Okay, the biggest dividing line is that 110 00:07:51,680 --> 00:07:55,560 Speaker 1: they use okay, is going to be organized versus disorganized. 111 00:07:55,960 --> 00:07:58,559 Speaker 1: And then it kind of drops down, you know, from 112 00:07:58,560 --> 00:08:01,600 Speaker 1: there and kind of a pyramid shape, and you know, 113 00:08:01,640 --> 00:08:05,080 Speaker 1: you've got these little lines there extending maybe think of 114 00:08:05,200 --> 00:08:06,880 Speaker 1: I don't know, if pyramid doesn't work for you, think 115 00:08:06,920 --> 00:08:12,800 Speaker 1: of a Venn diagram. Here, here's the term comfort killer. 116 00:08:14,320 --> 00:08:18,640 Speaker 1: Comfort killer. The reason I'm saying that these are people 117 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:23,840 Speaker 1: that have a financial motivation. So you can take somebody 118 00:08:24,160 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 1: that is like a professional hit man, all right, I'm 119 00:08:30,800 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 1: thinking about the fellow they just called him the Iceman 120 00:08:36,000 --> 00:08:41,800 Speaker 1: that there's been several documentaries done on him that killed 121 00:08:41,920 --> 00:08:44,200 Speaker 1: multiple people, alleged that he had killed I think he 122 00:08:44,240 --> 00:08:46,360 Speaker 1: even alleged that he had something to do with Haffa. 123 00:08:46,440 --> 00:08:50,800 Speaker 1: Who knows. But he got paid for doing what he 124 00:08:50,840 --> 00:08:52,800 Speaker 1: was doing and led a normal life. I mean, he 125 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:56,320 Speaker 1: take his family to church every Sunday. You know, he 126 00:08:56,360 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: was a doting father, but on the side he's out, 127 00:09:00,559 --> 00:09:06,359 Speaker 1: you know, ending people's lives. So is this an example, 128 00:09:07,920 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 1: a subcategory example of a comfort killer who is who 129 00:09:13,240 --> 00:09:16,360 Speaker 1: is receiving payment for what he's doing. And that was 130 00:09:16,400 --> 00:09:19,000 Speaker 1: actually in our previous episode we had talked about this 131 00:09:19,840 --> 00:09:23,839 Speaker 1: that if you think you if you think you hated 132 00:09:23,880 --> 00:09:27,599 Speaker 1: the term colleague, let me throw this out to you 133 00:09:28,840 --> 00:09:33,360 Speaker 1: that his services were engaged by somebody out there that's 134 00:09:33,360 --> 00:09:36,440 Speaker 1: pulling the strings on this. And I have to assume 135 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:41,719 Speaker 1: that the police know who this person is because if 136 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:49,320 Speaker 1: this individual, this damon McDaniel, is being paid to end 137 00:09:49,400 --> 00:09:54,719 Speaker 1: people's lives as horrific as what he has done, If 138 00:09:54,760 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 1: he is being paid to do this, day you realize 139 00:09:57,640 --> 00:10:01,640 Speaker 1: that the person doing the pain is the one that 140 00:10:01,800 --> 00:10:06,040 Speaker 1: might wind up with what do we use in Alabama 141 00:10:06,040 --> 00:10:11,760 Speaker 1: now the nitrogen mask over their head. In this particular case, 142 00:10:11,800 --> 00:10:13,600 Speaker 1: you say, the needle in the arm, or is going 143 00:10:13,640 --> 00:10:15,920 Speaker 1: to be sitting in the chair to have the switch thrown. 144 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:21,120 Speaker 1: That person might bear more responsibility than anybody else in 145 00:10:21,160 --> 00:10:24,720 Speaker 1: this because I can't you know, I can't think of 146 00:10:24,840 --> 00:10:30,800 Speaker 1: anybody what would be the motivation, you know, behind doing 147 00:10:30,840 --> 00:10:35,840 Speaker 1: this and ending so many lives in such a bold fashion. 148 00:10:35,960 --> 00:10:38,120 Speaker 1: It's not like he did it in a vacuum. You know. 149 00:10:38,200 --> 00:10:41,280 Speaker 1: You think back to you know, bt K, who was 150 00:10:42,080 --> 00:10:47,960 Speaker 1: highly organized, highly organized serial killer, and he really took 151 00:10:48,000 --> 00:10:51,880 Speaker 1: his time. He was a true hunter, and he would 152 00:10:52,160 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 1: case the houses. He would you know, watch the movements 153 00:10:56,240 --> 00:10:59,000 Speaker 1: of individuals. He would follow them, and he would wait 154 00:10:59,080 --> 00:11:04,680 Speaker 1: and spring at the last moment, uh, you know. And 155 00:11:04,720 --> 00:11:07,640 Speaker 1: that's generally one of the main things that I think 156 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:10,720 Speaker 1: I was kind of a template. I'm sorry to meet Stepheny, would. 157 00:11:10,480 --> 00:11:12,800 Speaker 2: You say, no, he I just when I think of BTK, 158 00:11:12,920 --> 00:11:16,480 Speaker 2: I think of him being the average guy, you know, 159 00:11:17,440 --> 00:11:19,480 Speaker 2: has a position in the church, is well thought of 160 00:11:19,520 --> 00:11:20,199 Speaker 2: in the community. 161 00:11:20,280 --> 00:11:22,160 Speaker 3: His own family doesn't know who he is. 162 00:11:23,080 --> 00:11:25,760 Speaker 2: I've seen interviews with his daughter and it was just, 163 00:11:25,960 --> 00:11:28,800 Speaker 2: wait a minute, my whole life was a lie, you know. 164 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:33,520 Speaker 2: And you know you mentioned him and the planning and 165 00:11:33,559 --> 00:11:36,560 Speaker 2: the serialized killing and then him communicating with cops and 166 00:11:36,559 --> 00:11:39,600 Speaker 2: making it a game. It was almost a lifestyle choice 167 00:11:39,600 --> 00:11:42,080 Speaker 2: for him to be this kind of a serial killer. 168 00:11:42,160 --> 00:11:45,720 Speaker 2: Whereas with McDaniel and Birmingham we're looking at on the 169 00:11:45,760 --> 00:11:48,720 Speaker 2: one hand, you have a hired hitman. You know, you 170 00:11:48,760 --> 00:11:50,600 Speaker 2: give him a whatever money. I don't know what it 171 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:53,679 Speaker 2: costs to have somebody killed. Usually you get caught because 172 00:11:53,679 --> 00:11:55,400 Speaker 2: the guy who got paid. When he gets got he 173 00:11:55,480 --> 00:11:57,920 Speaker 2: rolls over on you. And since you're the one that instigated, 174 00:11:57,960 --> 00:12:01,400 Speaker 2: they're going to get you two. But he was that guy. 175 00:12:01,880 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 2: But then we've also got him in a mass killing, 176 00:12:04,200 --> 00:12:05,040 Speaker 2: wasn't there's two? 177 00:12:05,120 --> 00:12:08,760 Speaker 1: I think yes, we two make social gatherings. 178 00:12:08,880 --> 00:12:11,000 Speaker 3: Yeah, where he's just gonna off handedly. 179 00:12:11,120 --> 00:12:14,040 Speaker 2: Maybe there was one original target, but everybody else was 180 00:12:14,040 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: collateral damage. 181 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:17,959 Speaker 3: And these are actual people's lives. These are people who. 182 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 2: Have moms, dad's children. I mean, they're living, breathing human beings. 183 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 2: This person decides to take money and get rid of them. 184 00:12:26,559 --> 00:12:29,280 Speaker 2: And the fact that he got away with it for 185 00:12:29,360 --> 00:12:32,520 Speaker 2: as long as he did, and now that he's behind bars, Joe, 186 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,400 Speaker 2: they're able to you mentioned this before, you said, now 187 00:12:36,440 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: that he is behind bars, they're going to be able 188 00:12:38,800 --> 00:12:42,160 Speaker 2: to take their time investigating some of these other crimes 189 00:12:42,160 --> 00:12:44,120 Speaker 2: that he has suspected of being involved in. 190 00:12:44,679 --> 00:12:45,520 Speaker 3: And that's what they did. 191 00:12:45,559 --> 00:12:47,720 Speaker 2: That's how you came up with Think about it, Norris 192 00:12:49,160 --> 00:12:53,760 Speaker 2: and Webster, Angelia Webster and Christian Norris. You're talking about 193 00:12:53,760 --> 00:13:00,199 Speaker 2: a couple, an unborn child, and the last team, I'm 194 00:13:00,200 --> 00:13:01,319 Speaker 2: they're scene alive. 195 00:13:01,679 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 3: It's on Valentine's Day. 196 00:13:04,400 --> 00:13:09,400 Speaker 2: They actually left a residence in Insley, which is if 197 00:13:09,440 --> 00:13:12,079 Speaker 2: you're driving through Birmingham, it's just right past the spaghetti junction, 198 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:15,960 Speaker 2: you know. Yeah, and it's on the west side of town. Yeah, 199 00:13:16,040 --> 00:13:18,160 Speaker 2: And having driven in that area, I know this area. 200 00:13:18,160 --> 00:13:19,800 Speaker 2: I'm picturing it in my eyes, you know, I'm picturing 201 00:13:19,840 --> 00:13:22,400 Speaker 2: where they were. And they're going to go to the movies. 202 00:13:22,480 --> 00:13:25,400 Speaker 2: Right on their way to a movie theater, Joe, a 203 00:13:25,480 --> 00:13:28,960 Speaker 2: couple expecting a child go to the movies and they 204 00:13:28,960 --> 00:13:32,000 Speaker 2: don't come home two days later the round. 205 00:13:33,080 --> 00:13:34,880 Speaker 1: Yeah, and they're they're in their car and people were 206 00:13:34,880 --> 00:13:37,120 Speaker 1: looking for them. Dave, I got to ask you this, 207 00:13:39,200 --> 00:13:43,160 Speaker 1: how many how many times on Valentine's Day did you 208 00:13:43,200 --> 00:13:46,000 Speaker 1: and Lendonna go out for a meal, you know, just 209 00:13:46,040 --> 00:13:48,040 Speaker 1: to celebrate just the two of you, when you didn't 210 00:13:48,080 --> 00:13:50,959 Speaker 1: have kids hanging all over you. I mean there had 211 00:13:51,000 --> 00:13:55,200 Speaker 1: to have been moments like no, because I remember with 212 00:13:55,200 --> 00:13:58,199 Speaker 1: with Kimmy, you know, we we we would go out, 213 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:00,200 Speaker 1: we'd always make it a point to go out on 214 00:14:00,280 --> 00:14:04,000 Speaker 1: Valentine's And here you're celebrating that's the thing about this. 215 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:10,480 Speaker 1: You're celebrating new life here, all right, she's pregnant. She's pregnant, 216 00:14:11,000 --> 00:14:14,800 Speaker 1: all right, and this guy walks up on the car 217 00:14:16,080 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: we are assuming and blast away. What could these two 218 00:14:21,440 --> 00:14:41,600 Speaker 1: twenty year olds have done that they deserved the death penalty? Dave, 219 00:14:41,680 --> 00:14:47,160 Speaker 1: you know you mentioned, you mentioned this young couple that 220 00:14:47,320 --> 00:14:52,400 Speaker 1: we're out going to a movie on Valentine's Day and 221 00:14:52,680 --> 00:14:57,400 Speaker 1: they run in to a buzzsaw essentially just ends their 222 00:14:57,440 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: life and the life of their unborn child. There's one 223 00:15:01,280 --> 00:15:05,920 Speaker 1: more individual that is that he Damon McDaniel has now 224 00:15:05,960 --> 00:15:10,560 Speaker 1: been charged with What do we know about that subject 225 00:15:10,560 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 1: at this point in tom We. 226 00:15:13,280 --> 00:15:20,160 Speaker 2: Know that one thing about McDaniel is that some of 227 00:15:20,240 --> 00:15:24,600 Speaker 2: the murders he's tied to, he had a compatriot, He 228 00:15:24,680 --> 00:15:27,880 Speaker 2: had somebody with him who was also involved in the murder, 229 00:15:28,600 --> 00:15:33,560 Speaker 2: and meaning he wasn't the sole killer. And there are 230 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,200 Speaker 2: more people arrested. There's already a couple of the previous cases. 231 00:15:38,200 --> 00:15:42,120 Speaker 2: And in the murder of Reginald Bryant, he was killed 232 00:15:42,200 --> 00:15:44,560 Speaker 2: in the fall of twenty twenty three, who signs shot 233 00:15:44,640 --> 00:15:50,440 Speaker 2: to death in the back of a home and that 234 00:15:50,560 --> 00:15:53,800 Speaker 2: was in I'm trying to get the exactly is November 235 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: twenty seventh of twenty twenty three, and the police said 236 00:15:57,360 --> 00:16:01,040 Speaker 2: at the time, Joe, that it appeared that Bryant had 237 00:16:01,040 --> 00:16:07,080 Speaker 2: been targeted and approached by several suspects prior to the shooting, 238 00:16:07,880 --> 00:16:11,800 Speaker 2: and one or more of the suspects fired shots at him. 239 00:16:12,520 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 2: That's why when I said Damien Maxwell, actually, I mean 240 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:19,280 Speaker 2: McDaniel actually has other people, you know, involved in some 241 00:16:19,360 --> 00:16:23,480 Speaker 2: of his murders. Lorenzo Wiley was charged with this as well. 242 00:16:23,520 --> 00:16:27,720 Speaker 2: He's a thirty year old guy from Fairfield. Both are 243 00:16:27,720 --> 00:16:31,120 Speaker 2: in custody. Obviously we know McDaniel is, but Wiley's in 244 00:16:31,520 --> 00:16:36,600 Speaker 2: jail two right now. And I don't know why Reginald 245 00:16:36,600 --> 00:16:41,120 Speaker 2: Bryant was in the radar of so many bad guys. 246 00:16:41,160 --> 00:16:44,200 Speaker 2: I mean, Joe, this sounds like something out of a movie. Okay, 247 00:16:44,560 --> 00:16:47,400 Speaker 2: this sounds like you've got to detectives downtown and we 248 00:16:47,520 --> 00:16:49,440 Speaker 2: got a murder and we got twenty different people that 249 00:16:49,520 --> 00:16:51,600 Speaker 2: showed up to shoot him, and who did I mean, 250 00:16:51,600 --> 00:16:53,320 Speaker 2: that's crazy. 251 00:16:54,160 --> 00:16:58,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, it is. It's absolutely nuts. And you know, 252 00:16:57,640 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: we have to go back all the way to the 253 00:17:00,960 --> 00:17:05,440 Speaker 1: first when when was when was this individual Bryant. When 254 00:17:05,520 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: was he killed was November because it was just back 255 00:17:10,119 --> 00:17:17,560 Speaker 1: in July of twenty twenty three, where uh, you know, 256 00:17:17,640 --> 00:17:22,159 Speaker 1: McDaniel pops onto the radar where out of all the 257 00:17:22,200 --> 00:17:27,159 Speaker 1: people in the world, he walks into a fire station, Dave, Yeah, 258 00:17:27,240 --> 00:17:33,080 Speaker 1: and shoots the place up, shoots one firefighter that survives. 259 00:17:33,119 --> 00:17:36,080 Speaker 1: He's been shot in the chest and the legs. But 260 00:17:36,119 --> 00:17:38,800 Speaker 1: you've got this other young man who's just come off 261 00:17:38,840 --> 00:17:41,280 Speaker 1: of probation and I don't mean probation like in a 262 00:17:41,320 --> 00:17:43,919 Speaker 1: negative way. He just graduates from fire academy. It had 263 00:17:43,960 --> 00:17:46,160 Speaker 1: only been a firefighter for a total of a year 264 00:17:46,200 --> 00:17:51,679 Speaker 1: and that includes his training. Nice guy. It's like, you know, 265 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:54,400 Speaker 1: if you go if you walk up to a firehouse 266 00:17:55,119 --> 00:17:58,919 Speaker 1: and you start shooting people, it's like, I don't know, 267 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: it's like tearing the head off of flowers or you know, 268 00:18:02,040 --> 00:18:05,879 Speaker 1: it's it's the most it's the most disturbing thing in 269 00:18:05,920 --> 00:18:09,200 Speaker 1: that sense that what, what's your point here? Why why 270 00:18:09,200 --> 00:18:12,879 Speaker 1: in the world would you do this? Because there's no 271 00:18:13,000 --> 00:18:16,160 Speaker 1: justification for killing anybody. But you know, these two guys, 272 00:18:17,080 --> 00:18:19,200 Speaker 1: and we all know how hot it is in Birmingham. 273 00:18:19,280 --> 00:18:22,480 Speaker 1: They would leave those bay doors open and sit there, 274 00:18:22,680 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: and they're big claim to fame there at this particular station. 275 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:27,560 Speaker 1: They've got a lot of elderly people that live around there. 276 00:18:28,160 --> 00:18:31,160 Speaker 1: They would come in and get their sugar checked, if 277 00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,560 Speaker 1: they were diabetic, they'd get blood pressures taken, and they 278 00:18:34,600 --> 00:18:37,040 Speaker 1: probably just come by and just chat with these with 279 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 1: these folks, they're part of the neighborhood. What would be 280 00:18:40,560 --> 00:18:44,040 Speaker 1: what would be the motivation for anybody to walk in 281 00:18:44,160 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 1: and want to to kill to kill two firefighters? And 282 00:18:48,480 --> 00:18:52,199 Speaker 1: that's how he starts out apparently, But I'm starting to 283 00:18:52,280 --> 00:18:54,879 Speaker 1: question everything at this point in time. I don't know 284 00:18:54,960 --> 00:18:57,080 Speaker 1: if they were the first two now, you know, for 285 00:18:57,160 --> 00:19:00,920 Speaker 1: all I know, there may be other people that pre 286 00:19:01,080 --> 00:19:03,520 Speaker 1: date that July event. I don't know. I don't have 287 00:19:03,600 --> 00:19:07,159 Speaker 1: any inside information. But now we've got another one that 288 00:19:07,200 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 1: had popped up with this gentleman that was shot in November, right, 289 00:19:12,640 --> 00:19:17,920 Speaker 1: November decent, November twenty twenty of twenty twenty three, and 290 00:19:18,200 --> 00:19:20,640 Speaker 1: he w wasn't on the radar initially. So how far 291 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:23,360 Speaker 1: back does this go? You know, the further back we 292 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 1: go with this thing, the more complex it gets. Because 293 00:19:26,720 --> 00:19:29,040 Speaker 1: you know, initially, when you have events like this that 294 00:19:29,160 --> 00:19:34,920 Speaker 1: happened and you're trying to establish a timeline you don't have, 295 00:19:35,280 --> 00:19:39,120 Speaker 1: you don't have the thirty thousand foot altitude view. At 296 00:19:39,119 --> 00:19:43,000 Speaker 1: that point time, you're focused right there, in real time 297 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:48,240 Speaker 1: on the case that you have where you've got these 298 00:19:48,280 --> 00:19:51,760 Speaker 1: individuals at a firehouse that are shot and eventually died 299 00:19:51,760 --> 00:19:55,120 Speaker 1: at a hospital. I don't you know, it's hard, it's 300 00:19:55,200 --> 00:19:57,720 Speaker 1: really hard to kind of understand it from that perspective. 301 00:19:58,119 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: But once this starts to kick off and they start 302 00:20:00,520 --> 00:20:04,200 Speaker 1: having these random shootings, you begin to think, well, maybe 303 00:20:04,240 --> 00:20:08,440 Speaker 1: these aren't as random as they could have been. One 304 00:20:08,440 --> 00:20:12,000 Speaker 1: thing that's kind of fascinating about this again, there's so 305 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:18,200 Speaker 1: much that is but to that point, if he has 306 00:20:18,359 --> 00:20:25,160 Speaker 1: other I'll use term compadres that are involved with him 307 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:31,440 Speaker 1: in doing this, Dave, I wonder how many weapons are involved, 308 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:37,520 Speaker 1: because you know, with serialized events, it's rare that the 309 00:20:37,680 --> 00:20:41,800 Speaker 1: serial killer strays very far from what they are very 310 00:20:41,840 --> 00:20:45,080 Speaker 1: familiar with, Like if they're going to use a ligature, 311 00:20:45,200 --> 00:20:48,000 Speaker 1: if they're going to use a knife, if they're going 312 00:20:48,040 --> 00:20:50,479 Speaker 1: to use a hammer, for instance, there's been people who 313 00:20:50,520 --> 00:20:54,959 Speaker 1: have been bludgeoned to death by serial killers, or if 314 00:20:54,960 --> 00:21:00,640 Speaker 1: they're going to use a gun, you know, well, first off, 315 00:21:01,480 --> 00:21:05,359 Speaker 1: does he own that gun? Have they found the gun? 316 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:09,200 Speaker 1: And even if they have, if you've got multiple other shooters, 317 00:21:10,640 --> 00:21:13,720 Speaker 1: have they recovered any of those weapons as well? This 318 00:21:13,880 --> 00:21:17,360 Speaker 1: is going to be so complex to try to understand 319 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:21,159 Speaker 1: the forensics in this case because of all of the 320 00:21:21,240 --> 00:21:23,840 Speaker 1: gunshot womens that are involved in this. And it's not 321 00:21:23,960 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 1: just the dead. I have actually been to the hospital 322 00:21:32,359 --> 00:21:39,320 Speaker 1: to retrieve projectiles that were actually retrieved during surgery on 323 00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:45,040 Speaker 1: individuals that eventually died. We actually had a kind of 324 00:21:45,240 --> 00:21:48,840 Speaker 1: a famous case in Atlanta where we had an individual 325 00:21:48,920 --> 00:21:56,240 Speaker 1: that was shot multiple times and the surgeon extracted to 326 00:21:57,800 --> 00:22:01,760 Speaker 1: projectiles out of the body, had them thrown away and incinerated, 327 00:22:02,400 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 1: didn't retain them, and so there was an extensive amount 328 00:22:07,359 --> 00:22:10,320 Speaker 1: of training that went on in the wake of that. Also, 329 00:22:10,480 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: you know, you have to retain the clothes. So everything 330 00:22:13,880 --> 00:22:16,760 Speaker 1: in here is so complex. You've got people that are 331 00:22:16,760 --> 00:22:20,280 Speaker 1: going to hospitals, they have evidence on their bodies, they 332 00:22:20,320 --> 00:22:22,919 Speaker 1: have bullets, projectiles that have been taken out of their bodies. 333 00:22:23,359 --> 00:22:27,480 Speaker 1: You have clothing for instance, which many times when they're 334 00:22:27,480 --> 00:22:31,120 Speaker 1: trying to save lives, Dave, they're just cutting it off 335 00:22:31,200 --> 00:22:34,080 Speaker 1: and kind of throwing it on the ground. It's blood saturated, 336 00:22:34,080 --> 00:22:36,600 Speaker 1: but still something that we can use because with the 337 00:22:36,680 --> 00:22:39,600 Speaker 1: clothing you can determine range of fire. You know, if 338 00:22:39,600 --> 00:22:42,560 Speaker 1: you're getting a story about what his activities were, say 339 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:47,000 Speaker 1: for instance, around or in one of these clubs, how 340 00:22:47,040 --> 00:22:49,000 Speaker 1: close was he when he was firing the weapon or 341 00:22:49,040 --> 00:22:52,360 Speaker 1: how close were these other individuals that are involved with him. 342 00:22:53,320 --> 00:22:55,680 Speaker 1: And so this kicks us up to a level that 343 00:22:57,359 --> 00:23:02,680 Speaker 1: I dare say that in their many years of working 344 00:23:02,720 --> 00:23:07,800 Speaker 1: homicides in Birmingham, Alabama, I don't know that they've ever 345 00:23:07,840 --> 00:23:12,960 Speaker 1: come across something that is that extensive and this complex. 346 00:23:27,400 --> 00:23:32,399 Speaker 1: So what we do know about McDaniel that those things 347 00:23:32,400 --> 00:23:35,840 Speaker 1: that he has been involved with, where we now have 348 00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:43,160 Speaker 1: eighteen eighteen deceased individuals that are that he's been credited with, 349 00:23:44,440 --> 00:23:46,159 Speaker 1: you have to go back and let's just kind of 350 00:23:46,160 --> 00:23:48,520 Speaker 1: revisit the timeline here just for a second. I'll run 351 00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: it down. In July twenty twenty three, we have the 352 00:23:52,760 --> 00:23:56,800 Speaker 1: firefighters that are shot at the fire station with the 353 00:23:56,840 --> 00:24:02,120 Speaker 1: bay doors open, and which you can imagine the whole 354 00:24:02,119 --> 00:24:05,400 Speaker 1: community was shocked over this. I think anybody that would 355 00:24:05,400 --> 00:24:08,119 Speaker 1: have heard about it would be shocked over it. Then 356 00:24:08,160 --> 00:24:13,880 Speaker 1: you jumped forward to November of twenty twenty three, and 357 00:24:14,400 --> 00:24:22,040 Speaker 1: initially we had this event involving Reginald Bryant. Well, that 358 00:24:22,240 --> 00:24:27,440 Speaker 1: case is credited to McDaniel as well. And McDaniel and 359 00:24:27,520 --> 00:24:30,199 Speaker 1: as you mentioned, Dave Wiley, this thirty year old out 360 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:34,320 Speaker 1: of Fairfield. Now, just a month month and a half later, 361 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,680 Speaker 1: I get well, it's like January the tenth. You've got 362 00:24:38,680 --> 00:24:41,080 Speaker 1: a young lady who's twenty one, Dave, and this is 363 00:24:41,080 --> 00:24:45,280 Speaker 1: in January, January the tenth, she's found lying in her 364 00:24:45,400 --> 00:24:50,359 Speaker 1: driveway suffering from gunshot wound and she's pronounced dead there 365 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:53,240 Speaker 1: at the scene. You know, who's why are you killing 366 00:24:53,280 --> 00:24:57,879 Speaker 1: a twenty one year old woman in her driveway? Is 367 00:24:57,920 --> 00:25:01,479 Speaker 1: there some kind of was she targeted for some specific reason? 368 00:25:02,000 --> 00:25:05,159 Speaker 1: Had he been paid to do this? Then you go 369 00:25:05,200 --> 00:25:08,800 Speaker 1: to February of twenty twenty four and we've got now 370 00:25:09,720 --> 00:25:14,240 Speaker 1: four victims or three victims, including an unborn child. That 371 00:25:14,400 --> 00:25:17,359 Speaker 1: was in February, you remember the Valentine's Day shooting. And 372 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,480 Speaker 1: then in April the ninth of twenty twenty four we've 373 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:25,640 Speaker 1: got Anthony Love And this is kind of an interesting 374 00:25:25,680 --> 00:25:31,159 Speaker 1: one day because McDaniel went to a UPS facility and 375 00:25:31,240 --> 00:25:35,600 Speaker 1: shot him who you know, you talk about being bold 376 00:25:36,200 --> 00:25:39,800 Speaker 1: that they would go he would go to this location 377 00:25:39,960 --> 00:25:43,040 Speaker 1: and shoot this individual. You know, you get the sense 378 00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:47,960 Speaker 1: that as he's going along, he has no fear. And 379 00:25:48,040 --> 00:25:51,240 Speaker 1: this is the one case where they they do make 380 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:54,080 Speaker 1: mention of the fact that this was a murder for hire. 381 00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:56,520 Speaker 1: At this point, Tom, then you. 382 00:25:56,480 --> 00:25:57,120 Speaker 3: Go to this. 383 00:25:58,040 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 1: I don't know how else to really just grab it. 384 00:26:00,480 --> 00:26:05,840 Speaker 1: It's it's like an unlicensed bar kind of club thing. 385 00:26:05,960 --> 00:26:07,440 Speaker 1: It's called Place. 386 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 2: They're all over the place and every community has them. 387 00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,359 Speaker 2: It's just a a nod in certain neighborhoods and that 388 00:26:14,640 --> 00:26:16,960 Speaker 2: this is one of those, though it operates under the radar. 389 00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:19,080 Speaker 2: You pay a couple of cops or whoever, and there 390 00:26:19,119 --> 00:26:19,440 Speaker 2: you go. 391 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:21,000 Speaker 3: Horrible. 392 00:26:21,080 --> 00:26:25,400 Speaker 1: Yeah, And with this, you know, this is like the 393 00:26:25,440 --> 00:26:29,040 Speaker 1: first time that we have a mass shooting. And this 394 00:26:29,240 --> 00:26:32,000 Speaker 1: is a you know, you can go in you can 395 00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:34,760 Speaker 1: buy alcohols called and they referred to at the time 396 00:26:34,920 --> 00:26:37,440 Speaker 1: as the And this is in July twenty twenty four, 397 00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,560 Speaker 1: the trend Setters mass shooting. We had Stevie McGhee, thirty 398 00:26:42,640 --> 00:26:46,160 Speaker 1: nine years old. He's found dead on the sidewalk at 399 00:26:46,160 --> 00:26:50,040 Speaker 1: the scene. And then You've got two others that are 400 00:26:50,119 --> 00:26:56,240 Speaker 1: found inside Markisha Getting she's thirty nine, Angela Weatherspoon, she's 401 00:26:56,240 --> 00:27:00,920 Speaker 1: fifty six, she's dead inside of trend Setters. And then 402 00:27:00,960 --> 00:27:04,959 Speaker 1: you've got another person that rolls into UAB hospital and 403 00:27:05,000 --> 00:27:07,680 Speaker 1: they eventually died, Ladarius Anderson, he's twenty. 404 00:27:08,400 --> 00:27:09,840 Speaker 2: You remember, I remember when we were talking about this 405 00:27:09,920 --> 00:27:11,560 Speaker 2: the first time, and I asked you, how do you 406 00:27:11,640 --> 00:27:14,240 Speaker 2: deal with that? You know, in terms of an investigation, 407 00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:17,200 Speaker 2: when you have you've got a mass shooting. We've got 408 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,480 Speaker 2: people over here that are dead or wounded, but then 409 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:25,880 Speaker 2: hours later somebody comes in and they're wounded and die. 410 00:27:26,080 --> 00:27:28,520 Speaker 2: I mean they come by themselves, not through the ambulance. 411 00:27:29,359 --> 00:27:31,200 Speaker 2: I wonder what that does to an investigation. 412 00:27:32,480 --> 00:27:35,239 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, what's going to be really important, Dave, one 413 00:27:35,280 --> 00:27:36,919 Speaker 1: of the most I'm glad you asked that, because one 414 00:27:36,960 --> 00:27:39,680 Speaker 1: of the most important things that you can draw upon. 415 00:27:40,320 --> 00:27:42,520 Speaker 1: You know, when EMTs roll out to a scene, they 416 00:27:42,560 --> 00:27:45,399 Speaker 1: start they have their own well what they some people 417 00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:49,639 Speaker 1: call it a run number. Some people dependent upon the 418 00:27:49,880 --> 00:27:52,159 Speaker 1: para medical services that will call it a case number. 419 00:27:53,160 --> 00:27:55,760 Speaker 1: But they're going on a run. And so when that 420 00:27:55,840 --> 00:27:58,440 Speaker 1: number is generated, all right, and they run out there 421 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,200 Speaker 1: they arrive and anytimes the first responders are the first 422 00:28:03,200 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: people on the scene. Sometimes they beat the cops there, 423 00:28:05,920 --> 00:28:10,720 Speaker 1: so what they see at the scene is invaluable. All right, Well, 424 00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:13,040 Speaker 1: you don't have that with somebody that just comes in 425 00:28:13,119 --> 00:28:15,800 Speaker 1: off of the street. So where do you get information from? 426 00:28:16,000 --> 00:28:18,680 Speaker 1: Was that first point of contact? It might be a 427 00:28:18,720 --> 00:28:21,840 Speaker 1: security guard that's standing, say, for instance, off of the 428 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:25,919 Speaker 1: inside of because most big cities that have emergency rooms, 429 00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 1: if you've ever noticed this, they've got security guards that 430 00:28:29,320 --> 00:28:32,320 Speaker 1: are seated inside of the waiting room. That's because you 431 00:28:32,400 --> 00:28:36,280 Speaker 1: never know what's going to happen on any given night 432 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,320 Speaker 1: in there. You can have fights break out, all kinds 433 00:28:38,320 --> 00:28:41,800 Speaker 1: of stuff. Well, you've got somebody that rolls in and 434 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,440 Speaker 1: they're bleeding, they're complaining, I've been shot, I've been shot. 435 00:28:44,800 --> 00:28:47,040 Speaker 1: That's your first point of contact. And so all of 436 00:28:47,040 --> 00:28:48,720 Speaker 1: the information that you're going to get is going to 437 00:28:48,800 --> 00:28:51,440 Speaker 1: come from the medical staff about this guy and he 438 00:28:51,600 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: just walks in off the street. Well, their statements are 439 00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:57,640 Speaker 1: going to be critical. You know, what did he say? 440 00:28:58,000 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: You know, at that point in time, you know he 441 00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:04,760 Speaker 1: dies l Dave. So if he ambulates in he's bleeding 442 00:29:04,800 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: out internally you can't necessarily appreciate that at that point 443 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: in time. Then buddy, let me tell you, you've got 444 00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,480 Speaker 1: to get every bit of information because he's gone now 445 00:29:14,520 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: you're not going to be able to get anything from him. 446 00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:20,600 Speaker 1: So that becomes very problematic. You have to chase down 447 00:29:20,760 --> 00:29:24,880 Speaker 1: every person that you can in order to, you know, 448 00:29:24,920 --> 00:29:28,960 Speaker 1: to try to understand, you know, what was going on 449 00:29:29,040 --> 00:29:32,120 Speaker 1: at that particular time. You move beyond July and you 450 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:36,960 Speaker 1: get into August of twenty twenty four, and you've got 451 00:29:36,960 --> 00:29:44,000 Speaker 1: an individual that's that's found inside of an apartment development 452 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:48,440 Speaker 1: by the name of Charles Herbert Moore. He shot unresponsive, 453 00:29:48,440 --> 00:29:54,240 Speaker 1: he's pronounced dead at the scene. And you have another 454 00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:58,920 Speaker 1: suspect other than McDaniel that is charged in this case, 455 00:29:58,960 --> 00:30:02,680 Speaker 1: this is Charles n You have September of twenty twenty 456 00:30:02,720 --> 00:30:10,200 Speaker 1: four where they discover an individual by the name of 457 00:30:11,160 --> 00:30:17,240 Speaker 1: Darnett Tenny Brown, thirty five years old, and she's been 458 00:30:17,520 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: suffering from gunshot wound. She's found inside of a bar. 459 00:30:22,080 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: Why her You know, what connectivity do any of these 460 00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,880 Speaker 1: people have with one another? And of course that in 461 00:30:27,920 --> 00:30:33,400 Speaker 1: the same month, you have the five point South Mass 462 00:30:33,400 --> 00:30:35,520 Speaker 1: shooting that takes place and again. 463 00:30:35,360 --> 00:30:39,440 Speaker 2: This is the second one we had the trendsetters. This 464 00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:43,840 Speaker 2: is your second mass killing by the same alleged, same suspect. 465 00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,160 Speaker 1: Yeah, and you know, at this particular place, you've got 466 00:30:48,400 --> 00:30:52,600 Speaker 1: four people that are killed here Dave, with seventeen others 467 00:30:52,640 --> 00:30:57,800 Speaker 1: that have been wounded. And this is like a it's 468 00:30:58,240 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 1: you know, this is kind of confused. A lot of 469 00:31:00,440 --> 00:31:03,120 Speaker 1: stuff takes place on the outside. There's like a hookah 470 00:31:03,200 --> 00:31:06,320 Speaker 1: lounge there and a cigar lounge that sort of thing, 471 00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:11,800 Speaker 1: but there is a trendsetter's bar that's immediately adjacent to 472 00:31:11,920 --> 00:31:18,720 Speaker 1: this area. You've got Roder Patterson, Taj Brooker, Carlos McCain, 473 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 1: and Andrew Holman for more people that are too again 474 00:31:25,040 --> 00:31:30,800 Speaker 1: to his credit. Then you know, you go forward. We 475 00:31:30,920 --> 00:31:35,600 Speaker 1: still got another individual, JaMarcus m McIntire. 476 00:31:35,200 --> 00:31:37,320 Speaker 3: Next day, by the way, and yeah. 477 00:31:37,400 --> 00:31:41,360 Speaker 1: In the wake of all of this chaos, and I'm thinking, 478 00:31:42,560 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 1: because having been involved in. 479 00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:49,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, let me stop Deantrenet today Brown. She's killed on 480 00:31:50,000 --> 00:31:54,400 Speaker 2: September nineteenth. On the two days later, you have the 481 00:31:54,480 --> 00:31:58,560 Speaker 2: Hush Lounge by Point South shooting mass shooting. Then the 482 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:01,200 Speaker 2: next day, so over a three day period of time, 483 00:32:01,280 --> 00:32:03,640 Speaker 2: you've got two solo shootings and a mass shooting by 484 00:32:03,640 --> 00:32:07,840 Speaker 2: the same suspect. JaMarcus McIntyre was killed on September twenty second, 485 00:32:07,880 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 2: twenty twenty four, so three days and all that death 486 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 2: attributed allegedly to one person. 487 00:32:15,880 --> 00:32:20,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, and in that moment of Tom, you you know, 488 00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,320 Speaker 1: you're just coming off of this and I'm thinking about 489 00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:29,600 Speaker 1: the investigators that have been working all night, you know before, 490 00:32:30,400 --> 00:32:32,040 Speaker 1: and then you go into the next day and you've 491 00:32:32,080 --> 00:32:35,400 Speaker 1: got another one that's racked up. And I don't know 492 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:40,800 Speaker 1: if anyone has ever seen the show Homicide that was 493 00:32:40,800 --> 00:32:44,120 Speaker 1: set up in Baltimore, and they had there was a 494 00:32:44,160 --> 00:32:46,560 Speaker 1: classic scene that they always showed and everything kind of 495 00:32:46,640 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: revolved around that show where you had a board that 496 00:32:49,920 --> 00:32:51,960 Speaker 1: had a whiteboard that was written and they would put 497 00:32:52,000 --> 00:32:57,560 Speaker 1: a magnetic sticker an indicator next to who was up, 498 00:32:57,800 --> 00:33:02,520 Speaker 1: like who's who's the next detective. Anything that happens, you 499 00:33:02,600 --> 00:33:06,200 Speaker 1: got the next call because you're next in line. I 500 00:33:06,240 --> 00:33:10,400 Speaker 1: can only imagine in the Homicide Division what they're looking 501 00:33:10,440 --> 00:33:13,880 Speaker 1: at in the wake of multiple shootings over a very 502 00:33:13,880 --> 00:33:18,240 Speaker 1: short period of time, and there's other killings that are 503 00:33:18,280 --> 00:33:21,160 Speaker 1: going on, you know that they're having to investigate that 504 00:33:21,200 --> 00:33:25,280 Speaker 1: are not associated with Damon McDaniel. You don't have enough 505 00:33:25,320 --> 00:33:29,720 Speaker 1: staff to cover a lot of this, and this material, 506 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 1: Dave is so very dense relative to all of the 507 00:33:32,640 --> 00:33:35,920 Speaker 1: data that you're trying to collect, all of the connections 508 00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,640 Speaker 1: that you're trying to make, all of the witness statements 509 00:33:38,680 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: that you're trying to take from this, it must seem 510 00:33:41,720 --> 00:33:45,240 Speaker 1: like you're absolutely drowning. If this was like a mass 511 00:33:45,240 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: shooting that took place, say, for instance, we had the 512 00:33:48,040 --> 00:33:53,800 Speaker 1: Nashville shooter, you know that jumps to mind, you had Parkland. 513 00:33:54,280 --> 00:33:59,040 Speaker 1: You've got all of these different shootings, as horrific as 514 00:33:59,040 --> 00:34:03,440 Speaker 1: those are, got containment in that where it's all happening 515 00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:07,440 Speaker 1: in a central location. In you know, a couple of 516 00:34:07,440 --> 00:34:10,240 Speaker 1: these cases, you have individuals where the shooters have died 517 00:34:10,400 --> 00:34:12,319 Speaker 1: and they've been shot as well, or they took their 518 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:19,319 Speaker 1: own lives. That's contained. Take that a mass shooting in 519 00:34:19,400 --> 00:34:24,440 Speaker 1: one contained location, and then spread it out over a 520 00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:28,600 Speaker 1: timeline where you've got multiple deaths in between other mass 521 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 1: shootings along the way, and it's enough to make your 522 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,160 Speaker 1: eyes water when you think about it. You know, you 523 00:34:36,239 --> 00:34:39,960 Speaker 1: have to ask the question, is it humanly possible to 524 00:34:40,040 --> 00:34:42,080 Speaker 1: get every bit of evidence in a case like this, 525 00:34:42,320 --> 00:34:44,920 Speaker 1: and if so, how are you going to compile all 526 00:34:44,960 --> 00:34:47,000 Speaker 1: of this? I can only imagine right now, because this 527 00:34:47,080 --> 00:34:51,239 Speaker 1: is an active case that's continuing to be investigated, they're 528 00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:55,520 Speaker 1: literally dave drowning in data right now. You have to understand, 529 00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,960 Speaker 1: it's not just the detectives that are working here. You 530 00:34:59,000 --> 00:35:03,400 Speaker 1: do have the forensics people, the crimson investigators that are 531 00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:07,560 Speaker 1: out there, which are different than the detectives, and you're 532 00:35:07,600 --> 00:35:13,520 Speaker 1: going to have the Jefferson County Corner's Office that's going 533 00:35:13,560 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: to have to do all of these autopsies on each 534 00:35:15,800 --> 00:35:21,359 Speaker 1: one of these individuals. You'll be drowning. And not to mention, 535 00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:24,279 Speaker 1: not to mention the stress that it puts on the 536 00:35:24,280 --> 00:35:29,640 Speaker 1: prosecutor's office, because for every homicide that you have, it's 537 00:35:29,640 --> 00:35:32,640 Speaker 1: not like you bundle these homicides together, all right. These 538 00:35:32,680 --> 00:35:37,760 Speaker 1: are individual human beings, These are victims, individual human beings. 539 00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:40,239 Speaker 1: And for each one of these individual human beings that 540 00:35:40,360 --> 00:35:45,240 Speaker 1: has met their end at the hand of another, there's 541 00:35:45,320 --> 00:35:51,400 Speaker 1: going to be a case number that is generated for 542 00:35:51,480 --> 00:35:54,960 Speaker 1: that there will be a charge that is specifically assigned 543 00:35:54,960 --> 00:35:58,640 Speaker 1: to that individual, that is for their life, and the 544 00:35:58,680 --> 00:36:02,800 Speaker 1: individual that is prosecuting this thing. I can't imagine that 545 00:36:02,880 --> 00:36:06,280 Speaker 1: they would have enough assistant district attorneys to go around, 546 00:36:06,640 --> 00:36:09,400 Speaker 1: you know, just to work each one of these cases. 547 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:12,759 Speaker 1: So where does that leave you? You know, well, first off, 548 00:36:12,800 --> 00:36:15,960 Speaker 1: I'm still not convinced that this is completely over with 549 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:19,680 Speaker 1: because apparently along the way they made some kind of 550 00:36:19,680 --> 00:36:23,480 Speaker 1: connection that even though they had him on fourteen other cases, 551 00:36:23,960 --> 00:36:28,520 Speaker 1: something drew their eye to these other four that we 552 00:36:28,640 --> 00:36:33,319 Speaker 1: now have. I'm just wondering how many more are there. 553 00:36:34,280 --> 00:36:36,200 Speaker 1: I can tell you this, Dave and I are on this. 554 00:36:36,880 --> 00:36:39,080 Speaker 1: We're going to be keeping a close eye on this, 555 00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,880 Speaker 1: and I hope that anybody that is within the sound 556 00:36:41,920 --> 00:36:46,560 Speaker 1: of our voice. These cases, for whatever reason, have not 557 00:36:46,719 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 1: made it onto the national stage. We're talking about eighteen 558 00:36:49,560 --> 00:36:53,560 Speaker 1: homicides here that are being laid at the feet, primarily 559 00:36:53,920 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: at the feet of Damon McDaniel. He hadn't been tried, 560 00:36:57,600 --> 00:37:01,719 Speaker 1: he hadn't been found guilty and his accomplices. How's this 561 00:37:01,840 --> 00:37:05,680 Speaker 1: not made national news? I'm amazed. And we can't forget 562 00:37:05,680 --> 00:37:08,520 Speaker 1: about the people that sustained injuries as a result of this. 563 00:37:09,000 --> 00:37:14,280 Speaker 1: The list is long. We'll keep you updated. I'm Joseph 564 00:37:14,280 --> 00:37:18,080 Speaker 1: Scott Morgan, and this is bodybacks,