WEBVTT - Pete Holmes

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<v Speaker 1>The Craig Ferguson Fancy Rascal Tour comes to these following

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<v Speaker 1>November the fifth, Madison, Wisconsin. November the sixth, Milwaukee, Wisconsin.

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<v Speaker 1>For a full list of dates, please go to my website,

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<v Speaker 1>The Craig Ferguson Show dot com slash Tour. My name

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<v Speaker 1>is Craig Ferguson. The name of this podcast is Joy.

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<v Speaker 1>I talk to interest in people about what brings them happiness.

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<v Speaker 2>Today we're chatting with Pete Holmes.

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<v Speaker 1>He's a stand up comedian, he's a philosopher, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>a friend of mine.

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<v Speaker 2>His new comedy.

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<v Speaker 1>Specialist on Netflix.

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<v Speaker 2>It's called I'm Not.

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<v Speaker 1>For Everyone, and I like it because I'm also not

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<v Speaker 1>for everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Here's Pete. Here's the thing. Well, I don't think I

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<v Speaker 2>think time is an imposition on reality. Explain death. I

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<v Speaker 2>don't think time exists. It's a vehicle. It's like we've

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<v Speaker 2>landed on the moon and the way that we can

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<v Speaker 2>move and interact with the moon is driving that little

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<v Speaker 2>rover thing. I think that little rover thing is time.

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<v Speaker 2>It's merciful. If everything happened to you all at once,

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<v Speaker 2>it would be like like you know, two thousand and

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<v Speaker 2>one a space on it would be overwhelming. So graciously

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<v Speaker 2>we're given this kind of like slow pace. But I

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<v Speaker 2>think death isn't so much the end of you as

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<v Speaker 2>the end of time and the end of your identity

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<v Speaker 2>as yourself. But I think it expands into what it

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<v Speaker 2>always was, which is a still point of infinite potential.

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<v Speaker 1>You know the astrophysicsien, No, no, the astrophysics of what

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<v Speaker 1>you saying it are actually surprisingly is that right?

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<v Speaker 2>Contemporary thinking?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, that everything exists all the time, and that the

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<v Speaker 1>humans we narrative eze it right, we've turned it into

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<v Speaker 1>something to help us cope, right, But it's it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>exist like that.

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<v Speaker 2>Well as a cart tole trobloon, car to lone said,

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<v Speaker 2>ask a ask an eagle what time it is before

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<v Speaker 2>people were on the planet. Like, just ask a fucking

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<v Speaker 2>fish what time it is. It doesn't make any sense.

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<v Speaker 2>It doesn't make any sense. I watch myself teach that

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<v Speaker 2>to my daughter. My daughter's five, and it's kind of sad,

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<v Speaker 2>but I kind of have to. I'll go, like, what

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<v Speaker 2>was your favorite part of your day, and I'm teaching

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<v Speaker 2>her to build a meaning system of past, present future.

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<v Speaker 2>I think that's a fair thing to do, is you

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<v Speaker 2>know you have to do it. Yeah, yeah, we have

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<v Speaker 2>to do it. Yeah, but we don't have to do

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<v Speaker 2>it as much as we do it. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>you can get in touch with it. That's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the See, these aren't just interesting thought experiments. They're the

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<v Speaker 2>cessation of your worries. Like if you can really experienceuly

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<v Speaker 2>no like capital k no that it's all now, it's

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<v Speaker 2>all sort of so hard to talk about. No, it

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<v Speaker 2>vanish and with all that vanishing, all your pain and

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<v Speaker 2>fear goes away.

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<v Speaker 1>You know that the early Christian theologians, in particular Origin

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<v Speaker 1>of Alexandria.

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<v Speaker 2>They that's exactly what I'm talking about.

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<v Speaker 1>The early Christian theologians easy they would explain the virgin

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<v Speaker 1>birth away in that particular has nothing to do with

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<v Speaker 1>morality or sex. It was to do with the fact

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<v Speaker 1>that there was a young woman and then there was

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<v Speaker 1>a young woman who had a baby, and it just

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<v Speaker 1>happened just like that, because that's how the universe is,

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<v Speaker 1>and there was no time. That's that was the intellectual

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<v Speaker 1>and theological thinking behind the concept of the virgin.

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<v Speaker 2>Birth metaphorical stuff. Yeah, it's interesting. I used to say,

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't put this in my book, but I wanted

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<v Speaker 2>to put in my book. It was like I used

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<v Speaker 2>to think, when I would write another book, I'll read

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<v Speaker 2>another book. Just give me five minutes. Okay, chat GPT,

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<v Speaker 2>write a book in the voice of Pete Holmes, does it?

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<v Speaker 2>It's terrible? Well, it's a start, a first draft. The

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<v Speaker 2>first draft is always the hardest. Chat GPT.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like an hour and a half of Craig Artis material. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>now I'll rewrite it.

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<v Speaker 2>Make it good. I think it's hilarious that comedians make

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<v Speaker 2>fun of chat GPT. It's like they're like, and it

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<v Speaker 2>said said strawberry was a fruit or whatever. I'm like, guys,

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<v Speaker 2>it's incredible that it said anything. Yeah, it's amazing, And

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<v Speaker 2>these jokes won't last very long. Any who. I was saying,

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<v Speaker 2>when I was a fundamentalist growing up, you were yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>just meaning a literalist, just meaning I believe that the

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<v Speaker 2>Bible was a literal like a historical like a science book,

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<v Speaker 2>worse than a historical document, right, because I do think

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible is history. Interwoven with metaphor, but which makes

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<v Speaker 2>it very confusing.

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<v Speaker 1>It's also it's allegorical in its style, so that's very difficult.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's amitic in its style too. You know who

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<v Speaker 2>explain it to me? There were Alexander Shaia, who is

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<v Speaker 2>like an expert in metaphor and mythology. He explained it

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<v Speaker 2>to me like this. He goes in Semitic storytelling, which

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<v Speaker 2>is what the New Testament is, or at the Old

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<v Speaker 2>Testament as well. If somebody is talking to a poor person,

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<v Speaker 2>you tell them a story about losing five dollars. If

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<v Speaker 2>you're talking to him Ted Serranos, you tell a story

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<v Speaker 2>about losing ten million dollars like that detail doesn't matter

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<v Speaker 2>at fucking all. The other point I tried to make

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<v Speaker 2>in my book is like, ah, fuck, I can't remember it,

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<v Speaker 2>but we know this in music, Like in music, we're

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<v Speaker 2>using like poetry and things to help us understand a feeling.

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<v Speaker 2>Can you hear the drums Fermando that the learn Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>there you go, right?

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<v Speaker 1>It was that.

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<v Speaker 2>Actually it was a Ray Charles lyric about the weather

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<v Speaker 2>and it was something about it it's raining when she's

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<v Speaker 2>gone or something, and we were like, we know he

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<v Speaker 2>doesn't mean it's raining right, They had just a different understanding.

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<v Speaker 1>When I was writing one of my books, I said

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<v Speaker 1>that in Scotland all women were called margaret until nineteen

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<v Speaker 1>seventy four. Nah, I didn't mean that in Scotland all

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<v Speaker 1>women were called margaret until nineteen seventy four. What I

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<v Speaker 1>meant was, yeah, in nineteen seventy four I began to

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<v Speaker 1>think about sex. That's really funny and so yeah, that's

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<v Speaker 1>exactly right, and that's what it is, right.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, what would they make of Harry Potter? You know,

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<v Speaker 2>like a future civilization looking at our time would also

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<v Speaker 2>have to sit through similar degrees of you know, bullshit

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<v Speaker 2>if you're looking at it scientifically, and that's what we're doing.

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<v Speaker 2>So anyway, there was a time when I believed that

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<v Speaker 2>the Bible, the point of the Bible was like the

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<v Speaker 2>facts and seven days and physical death and resurrect I

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<v Speaker 2>actually had the list. It was virgin birth, sinless life,

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<v Speaker 2>physical death, and resurrection. That sort of like those were

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<v Speaker 2>non negotiables, things like you couldn't be a part of

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<v Speaker 2>this group and not believe in those things. I don't

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<v Speaker 2>feel that way anymore, but my fantasy when I was

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<v Speaker 2>in high school was like I wish there had been

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<v Speaker 2>video cameras and recording devices when Jesus was right alive.

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<v Speaker 2>And now I'm like, what in real and fucking ruin it?

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<v Speaker 2>You know what I mean? Like, I know it's weird

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<v Speaker 2>to kind of equate Batman and Jesus, but I'm about,

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<v Speaker 2>you'll always find a friend here, Pete. If you do that, well,

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<v Speaker 2>remember and Batman begins, sure you do. Where they're where

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<v Speaker 2>they're telling him he can be a symbol. Symbols are powerful.

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<v Speaker 2>Carl Jung pretension alert. No, no, no, very important. He's right,

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<v Speaker 2>very importantly transformed by symbols. We think it's the you

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<v Speaker 2>know what I was just talking to my wife about

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<v Speaker 2>by watching things online Instagram, TikTok, YouTube even that summarize

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<v Speaker 2>things to their point, where actually I'm learning that the

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<v Speaker 2>point isn't the point. The point isn't the resurrection or

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<v Speaker 2>the or the virgin birth even correct. The point is

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<v Speaker 2>It's like thinking Alan Watts said this, he goes, the

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<v Speaker 2>point of your life is life, you know what I mean.

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<v Speaker 2>It's like it's this moment, it's today, it's what you're

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<v Speaker 2>doing now. It's like a piece of music. It's like

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<v Speaker 2>we think the end of the life is like the

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<v Speaker 2>last note, that's like the point or or the summation

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<v Speaker 2>or something. No, it's it's the whole flow of the symphony.

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<v Speaker 2>In the same way, you could summarize this podcast to

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<v Speaker 2>the points. Maybe we'll make some interesting points, maybe we'll oh,

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<v Speaker 2>we learned that thing about Harry Potter and reduce it

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<v Speaker 2>into a three minute thing. But the point was actually

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<v Speaker 2>like being lulled into our space. That's what art is

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<v Speaker 2>come in. This is what it was like when Craig

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<v Speaker 2>and Pete started talking, and it's kind of like, oh,

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<v Speaker 2>they're they're looking for jokes. What's this cancel? And it's

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<v Speaker 2>about the point? Isn't the point? Is my point? I agree?

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<v Speaker 1>And I actually think it was quite interesting about it

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<v Speaker 1>is that when people want to do that, I have

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<v Speaker 1>I have a theory of when it began mm and

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<v Speaker 1>it's crib notes.

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<v Speaker 2>Crib notes.

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<v Speaker 1>Oh like rib notes, yes, cliff notes for MTV, cribs,

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<v Speaker 1>crib notes. This is my house, this is where the

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<v Speaker 1>action happens.

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<v Speaker 2>These sneakers. But you can get through an episod of

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<v Speaker 2>cribs in like three seconds with and you with crib notes,

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<v Speaker 2>You're fine.

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<v Speaker 1>They call them crib notes in my country, I think,

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<v Speaker 1>although my country, to be honest, is Manhattan, but still

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<v Speaker 1>they call it crib notes or cliff notes wherever it

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<v Speaker 1>is to summarize, to take something like I don't know,

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<v Speaker 1>let's go with great expectations. Sure, which is a book

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<v Speaker 1>which I didn't write it, I will admit it would

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<v Speaker 1>have been vastly.

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<v Speaker 2>Improved with the line.

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<v Speaker 1>In France, all women were called mid gray until yes,

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<v Speaker 1>seventeen seventeen.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah gray.

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<v Speaker 1>But I think that trying to boil down things and

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<v Speaker 1>to make them accessible, to put them into bite sized chunks,

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<v Speaker 1>is to miss the point of them completely.

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely. And life is the same that I used to

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<v Speaker 2>skip introductions to books because I was like, just fucking

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<v Speaker 2>get to get on with the book. And now it's like,

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<v Speaker 2>I think it's something to do with getting older, hopefully

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit wiser. You're like, it's actual. The foyer

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<v Speaker 2>of the house is like.

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<v Speaker 1>Just as important as the dining room, in many ways

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<v Speaker 1>more important because you know, the foye is a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit of individuality and strangeness and welcome to my world.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah.

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<v Speaker 2>Tour see you on the Road.

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<v Speaker 1>I used to love and I still do actually, and

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<v Speaker 1>I wrestle with this. The first lines of books very important,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree, just to create, to let you know what's coming, right,

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<v Speaker 1>that's what it is. It's not It doesn't sum up

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<v Speaker 1>the book. But my favorite one was always the start

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<v Speaker 1>of nineteen eighty four. It was a bright, cold day

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<v Speaker 1>in April and the clocks were striking thirteen.

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<v Speaker 2>That's great. What the fuck is something is deeply wrong? Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>that's great. I love the idea.

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<v Speaker 1>And people always say call me Ishmael and I'm like, well,

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<v Speaker 1>that one, I don't really. I mean it's it's a

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<v Speaker 1>great book and I love it. It's a fucking masterpiece.

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<v Speaker 1>But yeah, the first line, I don't understand why it's

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<v Speaker 1>so great. Yeah, but when there are lines in you

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<v Speaker 1>know it was the best of times, it was the

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<v Speaker 1>worst of times. Okay, it was life. Yeah, life was

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<v Speaker 1>was was unfolding as it always does, and here's what

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<v Speaker 1>was happening at this point.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah yeah, in the ever expanding universe. Yeah, that's right.

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<v Speaker 2>I feel the same way about stand up specials. In fact,

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<v Speaker 2>that's my number one criticism is me going, that's how

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<v Speaker 2>you started. Yeah, yeah, And I know this sounds stupid.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to use myself as an example, but I

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<v Speaker 2>miss this opener one of my specials I'm really thinking about.

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<v Speaker 2>I think it was it was called Faces and Sounds.

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<v Speaker 2>I open by smiling, I look at the audience, I

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<v Speaker 2>let the applause down, and I go sometimes I get scared,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm like that that was it. That's a great beginning.

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<v Speaker 2>I love that. That's a great start to a book.

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<v Speaker 2>I miss. I know sometimes I get scared. Yeah. I

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<v Speaker 2>had a fake opening to a book about my life,

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<v Speaker 2>which I've used in other things. But it's my father

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<v Speaker 2>was an oil man, but our house was always cold,

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<v Speaker 2>which I thought. I thought that while I was in

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<v Speaker 2>our freezing ass house, and I was like, my dad

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<v Speaker 2>delivers home heating oil. And there's there's a real that's

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<v Speaker 2>you get it right, like you see a disconnect.

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<v Speaker 1>The last one that I booked that I completed, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>still note right in another one. But the last one

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<v Speaker 1>that I completed, I woke up with the first light

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<v Speaker 1>in my head and the book came from that.

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<v Speaker 2>Wow.

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<v Speaker 1>I woke up in the morning. I was like, oh

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<v Speaker 1>my god, that's a book. And it was in the

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<v Speaker 1>time before I loved you. I never thought of the

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<v Speaker 1>world as precious.

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<v Speaker 2>Oh my god, that needs a warning. You need a warning. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I know it was crazy. And what's crazy about that, Craig,

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<v Speaker 2>was that before you said? I just thought of the

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<v Speaker 2>line in the book came from that. I thought, well,

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<v Speaker 2>that's like Cormick McCarthy, who he didn't say that he

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<v Speaker 2>channeled his books. I'm not saying he's channeled his books.

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<v Speaker 2>I am saying he wrote them like he didn't know

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<v Speaker 2>what was happening. Stephen King's talked about that too. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>and I think that's a real thing. I think I

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<v Speaker 2>would use the word channeling like he's tapping into a

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<v Speaker 2>pure creative space that is kind of available to us.

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<v Speaker 2>His antenna was just very, very precise and found the story.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's writing it and he doesn't know what's going

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<v Speaker 2>to happen. But in the book The Road, there's a

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<v Speaker 2>similar line about the boy his son. It's not it.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm not saying, oh, it's too much. It's not that.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm saying it's something like something like if the boy

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<v Speaker 2>wasn't precious, then preciousness didn't exist, or something very beautiful

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<v Speaker 2>in a similar way, beautiful channeled from And you're also

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<v Speaker 2>in the same oasis or something.

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<v Speaker 1>We're talking about your friend Carl Jung, the theory of

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<v Speaker 1>the collective unconscious. So that's right, and I think that

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<v Speaker 1>it's interesting because I've written three books. So I'm going

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<v Speaker 1>to tell you the third opening line, or this was

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<v Speaker 1>from the first. The first book I wrote was the novel,

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<v Speaker 1>and the opening line of the book, which I was

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<v Speaker 1>very proud of, was cloven hoofed creature walked this way.

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<v Speaker 2>That's the opening line of the book.

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<v Speaker 1>And then I became convinced that it was also the

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<v Speaker 1>opening line of Stings Autobiography. I don't know why, so

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<v Speaker 1>I had to go and find a copy of Stings Autobio.

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<v Speaker 2>What do you think that just occurred to you?

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I became obsessed that it was the opening line

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<v Speaker 1>of Stings out of Nowhere, out of Nowhere, and I

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<v Speaker 1>couldn't I couldn't rest until I found out I didn't

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<v Speaker 1>have a copy at home. This is before you could

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<v Speaker 1>just find it on the internet. So I had to

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<v Speaker 1>go to a bookstore and find a copy of Stings

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<v Speaker 1>autobiography and see if it was there. It wasn't, thank god,

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<v Speaker 1>But I can't convince the first line was.

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<v Speaker 2>Molliady or or rock sand Did you like the Police? No? No,

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<v Speaker 2>I never did either. In fact, it's kind of funny

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<v Speaker 2>that you ask when I'm stressed, which isn't often. But

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<v Speaker 2>if I go if the Dark Dog is visiting, I

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<v Speaker 2>hear you. I fucking hate music and my heart just

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<v Speaker 2>just repetitive pop music. Right, So if you I remember

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<v Speaker 2>being in the car with my mom, I'm in the

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<v Speaker 2>back seat and the police are on and they're sending

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<v Speaker 2>out and SSS song and I'm in the back and

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<v Speaker 2>I must say it's a terrible song, and I must

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<v Speaker 2>say sending out in SOS. I want to guess conservatively

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<v Speaker 2>three hundred and seventy two times like it just oh yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it could just repeats it over And I don't even

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<v Speaker 2>know that I'm having a generalized anxiety disorder, right, but

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<v Speaker 2>I am. I'm a child, and I'm fucking stressed out,

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<v Speaker 2>and I'm harping on that they won't stop saying it,

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<v Speaker 2>and every time they say it, I'm like, that's got

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<v Speaker 2>to be the last time, and then they say it again,

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<v Speaker 2>and at some point I just go ah, and my

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<v Speaker 2>mom goes what because she's having a generalized anxiety disorder

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<v Speaker 2>of her own, and I'm like, they just won't stop

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<v Speaker 2>saying send it out, ASA's I learned a profound lesson

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<v Speaker 2>that day that like, not everyone's having your experience. Some

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<v Speaker 2>people it's just background music. I hear you in the

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<v Speaker 2>music thing, though it's quite interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>There's never a point where I could say I don't

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<v Speaker 1>like music, but there's definitely been a point where I

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<v Speaker 1>kind oft listen to contemp prouty music.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, like this is just is just garbage? Oh no,

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<v Speaker 2>if I'm having a generalized anxiety disorder and you put

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<v Speaker 2>on the national In fact, that's why I listen to

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<v Speaker 2>there's music that like saves me from that feeling. But

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<v Speaker 2>my daughter is five and I love her to death,

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<v Speaker 2>and I will listen to whatever she wants to listen to,

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<v Speaker 2>and she wants to listen to, like fucking ice cream?

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<v Speaker 2>What is it? Man and men and men? Menanda to

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<v Speaker 2>buy me? I myself myself And if you're having a

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<v Speaker 2>rough day, that sounds scary. That music makes me want

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<v Speaker 2>to die.

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<v Speaker 1>It's it's funny because both my boys, and particularly the

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<v Speaker 1>youngest one, he wouldn't listen to kids music and I

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<v Speaker 1>put it on and be like no, no, no, really,

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<v Speaker 1>and then his mother, Megan would do on joy division

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<v Speaker 1>because he's like even relax. He'd be like, yeah, well, sir.

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<v Speaker 2>Can I tell you that my one of my daughter's

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<v Speaker 2>favorite songs. And here's the weirdest part. I like it too.

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<v Speaker 2>There is some pop music I like and it really

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<v Speaker 2>burrows into my brain and it's almost like I like

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<v Speaker 2>music too much, if that makes sense, And sometimes I go,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't like music, But really it's because.

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<v Speaker 1>What's too big a subject to see music? Because it's

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<v Speaker 1>like saying Basquier, right, who said art is how we

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<v Speaker 1>decorate space. Music is how we decorate time. So it's

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<v Speaker 1>as big as a word is art? You can you know,

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<v Speaker 1>so you can't say, really music, you have to be

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<v Speaker 1>more specific.

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<v Speaker 2>That's fair. Do you want to hear my quote about art? Yes,

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<v Speaker 2>I hope you enjoy it. I go art is highly

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<v Speaker 2>sensitive people reporting back to the group what reality is

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<v Speaker 2>like for them. And that's how I feel. That's really good.

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<v Speaker 2>I like that. I do like that. Just kidding it

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<v Speaker 2>should be it should be. It's a good line. What

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<v Speaker 2>kind of book are you going to write? I have

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<v Speaker 2>notes for another book about spirituality. I like writing books

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<v Speaker 2>that only a handful of people would like to read.

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<v Speaker 1>May I recommend literary fiction because I've written one and

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<v Speaker 1>I'm halfway through another. Nobody reads that shit, so you

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<v Speaker 1>like yet I read it.

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<v Speaker 2>It's very important. And no, I mean you like the

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<v Speaker 2>process of writing it like I.

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<v Speaker 1>Do, because it's only way you're going to find out

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<v Speaker 1>what happens.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, there you go, McCarthy.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I mean, but but look, I'm not comparing myself

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<v Speaker 1>to Courmite McCarthy.

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<v Speaker 2>But he's dead. He won't.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, but he has acolytes. Oh that's right, and they

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<v Speaker 1>on mind droves. Yeah, yeah, no, we won't.

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<v Speaker 2>I won't compare myself. You did compare yourself to Herman

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<v Speaker 2>Melville on my podcast, but.

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<v Speaker 1>I said my book was better. Go on, go on,

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<v Speaker 1>then I did. I only compared myself to Herman Melville, know, in.

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<v Speaker 2>The literary just because he was overlooked. Yeah, well he

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<v Speaker 2>was a bit, to be fair. Yeh yeah, in his lifetime.

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<v Speaker 1>In his lifetime. But here's an interesting thing, because I

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<v Speaker 1>was thinking about that. Only did I talk to you

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<v Speaker 1>about this on the on your podcast that I went

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<v Speaker 1>to the van Go exhibition and yes she did and

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<v Speaker 1>talking about medication.

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<v Speaker 2>No you didn't. You talked about the Andy Warhol and

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<v Speaker 2>you love the gift shop. I did love the idea.

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<v Speaker 2>Tell me about the Van Go.

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<v Speaker 1>So I'm looking at the van Go exhibition and the

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<v Speaker 1>and it is transcendent.

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<v Speaker 2>The art is unbelievably beautiful and it's.

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<v Speaker 1>Heartbreaking, league gorgeous, wonderful art, Ben Gogous van Gogius. But

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<v Speaker 1>I thought to myself, I wonder because clearly von Go

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<v Speaker 1>if he had left now, it could have been helped

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<v Speaker 1>with contemporary medications. Yes, and I wonder what he would

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<v Speaker 1>I think he would have preferred the medication.

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<v Speaker 2>I always think about this poem. There was an irishman,

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<v Speaker 2>an Irish poet who came on my podcast over ten

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<v Speaker 2>years ago. So I forgive myself for not remembering. But

0:19:33.520 --> 0:19:35.480
<v Speaker 2>he's like, asking a poet for another poem is to

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<v Speaker 2>ask for his heart to be broken, basically, And that's

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<v Speaker 2>kind of what you're saying. Yeah, it's a very interesting topic.

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<v Speaker 2>I have some friends people that I know that went

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<v Speaker 2>on like very strong anti anxiety medication and I'm not

0:19:48.680 --> 0:19:51.240
<v Speaker 2>trying to put that down. I'm saying we need to

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<v Speaker 2>get the dose right because some of these people I

0:19:53.320 --> 0:19:55.040
<v Speaker 2>missed them, you know what I mean. I'm like, Oh,

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<v Speaker 2>it turns out like my friend Joe called me this

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<v Speaker 2>week and he was just open for groceries in Manhattan

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<v Speaker 2>and we just talk fucking nothing, just making each other laugh,

0:20:05.640 --> 0:20:08.400
<v Speaker 2>and the subtitles on for that conversation, We're like, I'm here,

0:20:08.440 --> 0:20:10.920
<v Speaker 2>are you here? I'm a little afraid. Are you afraid? Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>I'm afraid? And if I wasn't afraid. Look, mental illness

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<v Speaker 2>is a real thing. I'm just gonna say that one

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<v Speaker 2>more time. And we need help, and we need all

0:20:20.280 --> 0:20:21.879
<v Speaker 2>the help we can get. Sure. I'm just saying, like,

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<v Speaker 2>dial it in and everybody would agree with that if

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<v Speaker 2>there gets a point where like if I can't, you're

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<v Speaker 2>docking on me. Now. We're bonding now over anxiety. We're

0:20:33.440 --> 0:20:36.080
<v Speaker 2>helping each other with our anxiety. And if I was

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<v Speaker 2>completely flat, nobody wants to be flat.

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<v Speaker 1>No, But if you are writing to kind of extend

0:20:44.000 --> 0:20:46.400
<v Speaker 1>the mit for a rather clumsy way. But if you're

0:20:46.440 --> 0:20:49.200
<v Speaker 1>on a very bumpy airplane and it gets smooths out

0:20:49.240 --> 0:20:50.960
<v Speaker 1>for a while, it's fucking relief.

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<v Speaker 2>I know I probably shouldn't even be talking about this

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<v Speaker 2>because I don't know, right.

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<v Speaker 1>You know, well, look I think people should lacks a

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<v Speaker 1>little bit. You're allowed to have an opinion. The only

0:21:02.400 --> 0:21:05.080
<v Speaker 1>thing is just because you have an opinion doesn't don't

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<v Speaker 1>have to hold on to it. And also it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have to be it's not right. Yeah, you know, I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not claiming. I'm just saying, look, this is what I think.

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<v Speaker 1>But I will preface it with I'm not a doctor,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm not a priest, I'm not you, and I'm not.

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<v Speaker 2>In your situation. I'm in my situation.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think that the danger with the current orthodox

0:21:23.520 --> 0:21:27.400
<v Speaker 1>drive for everyone to agree is that but if everyone agrees,

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<v Speaker 1>or if you only are comfortable talking to people you

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<v Speaker 1>agree with, you'ren't going to expand your experience, right, And

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<v Speaker 1>if you can't expand your experience, is it really are

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<v Speaker 1>you really going to learn anything?

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<v Speaker 2>Well, we're not They're not good example. There's examples of

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<v Speaker 2>haters who hate everything, and then there is like kind

0:21:44.200 --> 0:21:46.320
<v Speaker 2>of I do see a trend where you're not even

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<v Speaker 2>allowed to not like something. Have you seen less? Like

0:21:48.960 --> 0:21:51.359
<v Speaker 2>something comes out and you're like, well, we're not allowed

0:21:51.359 --> 0:21:54.880
<v Speaker 2>to not like that. I feel that way about cannabis. Yeah,

0:21:54.920 --> 0:21:57.200
<v Speaker 2>I think we talked about that, so you can't talk

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<v Speaker 2>about weed.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, it's like everybody's we is the fucking savior of

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<v Speaker 1>the earth. Weed, you know, get a fucking job heavy.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't get it. It's like I've gotta love weed.

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<v Speaker 1>I never liked weed. When I was doing drugs, I

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<v Speaker 1>didn't like weed. No, I don't do drugs gonna like weed.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, yeah, No, that's a very good example. You're not.

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<v Speaker 2>But I thought you were gonna say that Van Goh,

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<v Speaker 2>had he been medicated, wouldn't have made the art. And

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<v Speaker 2>I don't know if he would have.

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<v Speaker 1>He wouldn't, but I feel like but I would wager

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<v Speaker 1>that he wouldn't. I think you're probably right, made or

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<v Speaker 1>different art. I don't know it's different art. It's inconceivable

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<v Speaker 1>he would have done Anthon ber but but it's it

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<v Speaker 1>would have been different.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I would to that. I would say my best

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<v Speaker 2>stuff comes from a clear, spacious place in me, not

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<v Speaker 2>an agitated, angry place. I might write something agitated and angry,

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<v Speaker 2>but my best jokes come from a place of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I don't I don't think, you know, because well that's fair.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just saying I wasn't depressed when I came up

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<v Speaker 2>with the best.

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<v Speaker 1>Right, you weren't depressed when you came up with it,

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<v Speaker 1>but the process and getting to the joke it may may.

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<v Speaker 2>Have cooked it up earlier.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, and I think that to discount see my secret feeling.

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<v Speaker 1>I even hesitate to say this because I know, get

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<v Speaker 1>into trouble for saying it, but because the role of

0:23:18.760 --> 0:23:23.120
<v Speaker 1>being a victim is now fetishized a little bit that

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<v Speaker 1>there seems to be an urge to pathologize every single

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<v Speaker 1>emotion or opinion.

0:23:30.760 --> 0:23:32.679
<v Speaker 2>Or beat of your life.

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<v Speaker 1>And I don't think it's necessary to do that. Like

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<v Speaker 1>if you say I really didn't like that thing, well, okay,

0:23:39.400 --> 0:23:42.040
<v Speaker 1>you didn't like it. It's you know, comedy is a

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<v Speaker 1>great example for this, because people will say that's not funny,

0:23:45.040 --> 0:23:47.680
<v Speaker 1>that's not comedy. You go, well, it clearly is, because

0:23:47.680 --> 0:23:49.399
<v Speaker 1>look there's ten thousand people laughing at.

0:23:49.240 --> 0:23:50.720
<v Speaker 2>It, so clearly it is comedy.

0:23:50.840 --> 0:23:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, you wouldn't you say, you say I don't like

0:23:54.560 --> 0:23:57.560
<v Speaker 1>classical music, Well, it doesn't mean it's not music.

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<v Speaker 2>It's just not music that you like.

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<v Speaker 1>And the whole idea of saying something isn't a thing

0:24:03.800 --> 0:24:08.000
<v Speaker 1>unless you endorse it you personally, one has to either

0:24:08.600 --> 0:24:10.000
<v Speaker 1>it's binary thinking.

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<v Speaker 2>Is that one or zero?

0:24:11.520 --> 0:24:14.480
<v Speaker 1>It's the is thinking like a machine, it's on or

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<v Speaker 1>it's off.

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<v Speaker 2>And I don't.

0:24:15.720 --> 0:24:18.760
<v Speaker 1>Understand that's that's the last thing we should be fucking doing.

0:24:18.800 --> 0:24:20.239
<v Speaker 1>We have machines to do that for us.

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<v Speaker 2>We don't need to do that, right. Yeah, No, it's

0:24:22.760 --> 0:24:25.399
<v Speaker 2>it's I completely agree. And it is sort of an

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<v Speaker 2>addictdy and it's a narcissistic yistic.

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<v Speaker 1>It's interesting that you use the word, and I use

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<v Speaker 1>it myself too, and I want to talk a little

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<v Speaker 1>bit about it.

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<v Speaker 2>No, narcissist.

0:24:37.080 --> 0:24:39.560
<v Speaker 1>Narcissist is an interesting one because people it's a very

0:24:40.359 --> 0:24:43.480
<v Speaker 1>hot ticket word to use right now, it's like, oh,

0:24:43.520 --> 0:24:46.639
<v Speaker 1>he's a narcissist, you know, he's kind of just a

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<v Speaker 1>deck Sure.

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<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of thoughts about this. Well, there's

0:24:50.359 --> 0:24:53.439
<v Speaker 2>narcissistic personality disorder. Now I sound like I am a doctor. No,

0:24:53.600 --> 0:24:56.119
<v Speaker 2>that that is a real thing. It's absolutely and then

0:24:56.160 --> 0:24:58.680
<v Speaker 2>there are narcissistic tendencies. But I think we could would

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<v Speaker 2>all do well. What's interesting about that is experts in

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<v Speaker 2>the field from the books that I've read would say

0:25:04.480 --> 0:25:09.399
<v Speaker 2>that it's good to have some characteristics of narcissistic tendencies,

0:25:09.520 --> 0:25:13.080
<v Speaker 2>meaning sure some of them are. There's like healthy levels

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<v Speaker 2>of narcissism that I like this where this is going.

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<v Speaker 1>So what you're saying is that these conditions are unhealthy

0:25:20.160 --> 0:25:22.439
<v Speaker 1>levels of something that's right, all right. So if you

0:25:22.440 --> 0:25:24.400
<v Speaker 1>can get if you have some fat in your food,

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<v Speaker 1>it's good.

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<v Speaker 2>That's if you have too much then yeah, yeah, yeah.

0:25:27.160 --> 0:25:29.159
<v Speaker 2>Once it gets to a point and I forget what

0:25:29.200 --> 0:25:31.160
<v Speaker 2>the list is, but this, this will make you laugh.

0:25:31.480 --> 0:25:33.119
<v Speaker 2>I was reading a book to see if people are

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<v Speaker 2>the judge of that. I was reading a book to

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<v Speaker 2>see if people in my family were narcissistic. And then

0:25:39.920 --> 0:25:44.159
<v Speaker 2>it's listing the qualities of a narcissist and I'm like, oh, no,

0:25:45.200 --> 0:25:49.640
<v Speaker 2>really for me, but anyone being honest, maybe that's not true.

0:25:49.640 --> 0:25:51.560
<v Speaker 2>I can't speak to any other people. But I was like,

0:25:51.680 --> 0:25:53.680
<v Speaker 2>I have a lot of Like one of them was.

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<v Speaker 1>I understand up, comedian, how can you not have some

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<v Speaker 1>of that?

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<v Speaker 2>Absolutely? But then my beloved Valerie, my beloved Valerie, but

0:26:02.200 --> 0:26:03.240
<v Speaker 2>she was like, I.

0:26:03.280 --> 0:26:07.040
<v Speaker 1>Must talk to you off, my beloved valid She was like,

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:08.160
<v Speaker 1>I take.

0:26:07.960 --> 0:26:10.879
<v Speaker 2>A lot of comfort in No, No one with narcissistic

0:26:10.920 --> 0:26:14.080
<v Speaker 2>personality disorder goes, Oh, no, am I a narcissist? Like

0:26:14.119 --> 0:26:17.600
<v Speaker 2>that's that's right, that's it's almost twenty two. It's a

0:26:17.640 --> 0:26:18.800
<v Speaker 2>good thing. Yeah, it's great.

0:26:19.359 --> 0:26:22.600
<v Speaker 1>It's Catch twenty two is like, yeah, if you visit

0:26:22.680 --> 0:26:24.760
<v Speaker 1>the in Catch twenty two, if you want to not

0:26:24.800 --> 0:26:26.880
<v Speaker 1>fly these missions, you can't be crazy because you don't

0:26:26.880 --> 0:26:27.640
<v Speaker 1>want to be crazy to.

0:26:27.600 --> 0:26:30.520
<v Speaker 2>Want to fly these missions. Well, can I say I'm

0:26:30.560 --> 0:26:33.639
<v Speaker 2>watching as we all are? I'm assuming every single person

0:26:33.880 --> 0:26:36.560
<v Speaker 2>in America is watching the Office at some point in

0:26:36.600 --> 0:26:39.760
<v Speaker 2>their life. Maybe not you, you wild boys, But I'm

0:26:39.760 --> 0:26:42.720
<v Speaker 2>just saying. Angela Kinsey is a close personal friend, my Angela.

0:26:42.760 --> 0:26:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I call her Angela, the Angela from the show. Yeah.

0:26:45.400 --> 0:26:48.160
<v Speaker 2>Oh she's lovely. Oh she's she's just the greatest girl.

0:26:48.280 --> 0:26:51.640
<v Speaker 2>Is she really? Yeah, she's no fairy chair podcasting. Hell,

0:26:51.640 --> 0:26:53.200
<v Speaker 2>guess who's gonna poach your guests?

0:26:53.640 --> 0:26:59.840
<v Speaker 1>Yeah, she's she's the she's the greatest. Doesn't mean Scotland

0:27:00.600 --> 0:27:01.760
<v Speaker 1>and Josh and the kids.

0:27:01.880 --> 0:27:06.440
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, that's beautiful. Well she knows that. I'm sure people

0:27:06.480 --> 0:27:08.760
<v Speaker 2>tell her all the time. It's almost like a disorder

0:27:08.800 --> 0:27:10.359
<v Speaker 2>we all have, like we all kind of have to

0:27:10.400 --> 0:27:13.720
<v Speaker 2>be watching the office. Here's my point, though, Michael Scott

0:27:13.920 --> 0:27:17.400
<v Speaker 2>has a lot of narcissistic tendencies and they delight us.

0:27:17.480 --> 0:27:19.639
<v Speaker 2>We like it. I was trying to say to somebody,

0:27:19.680 --> 0:27:22.960
<v Speaker 2>like comedy is a little bit like you go to

0:27:23.000 --> 0:27:26.000
<v Speaker 2>a restaurant so they'll deep fry a twinkie for you.

0:27:26.359 --> 0:27:28.920
<v Speaker 2>It's not good for you, but you wouldn't do it

0:27:29.000 --> 0:27:31.520
<v Speaker 2>if you had to batter up a twinkie and deep

0:27:31.600 --> 0:27:34.240
<v Speaker 2>fry it in oil and you can see the ingredients

0:27:34.280 --> 0:27:36.919
<v Speaker 2>and the fucking nutrition, but you want it and you

0:27:37.119 --> 0:27:41.520
<v Speaker 2>like it. So Michael Scott is like a deeply narcissistic

0:27:41.600 --> 0:27:46.160
<v Speaker 2>person and we love laughing at him. So to your point,

0:27:46.400 --> 0:27:50.639
<v Speaker 2>cleaning everything up and making everybody agree isn't even what

0:27:50.680 --> 0:27:52.600
<v Speaker 2>we really want. And we're back to our friend young.

0:27:52.720 --> 0:27:54.720
<v Speaker 2>We actually want what we don't want a lot of

0:27:54.720 --> 0:27:57.400
<v Speaker 2>the time. It is the duality problem, isn't it. It's

0:27:57.480 --> 0:27:58.359
<v Speaker 2>that book.

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<v Speaker 1>I wonder if what we're doing is falling into the trap.

0:28:06.200 --> 0:28:08.840
<v Speaker 1>Certainly I've fallen into this trap and I might be

0:28:08.840 --> 0:28:12.119
<v Speaker 1>doing it right now. Is that Because I've talked to

0:28:12.160 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 1>my oldest son about this. He's twenty two and he's very,

0:28:14.680 --> 0:28:18.320
<v Speaker 1>very clever, and he said that, he said, Dad, you're

0:28:18.359 --> 0:28:20.359
<v Speaker 1>talking about forty people on Twitter.

0:28:20.600 --> 0:28:22.600
<v Speaker 2>I don't even fucking know what you're worried about.

0:28:23.280 --> 0:28:26.440
<v Speaker 1>You know what these opinions are, so that like, if

0:28:26.440 --> 0:28:28.159
<v Speaker 1>you focus on that group of people, you're going to

0:28:28.200 --> 0:28:28.960
<v Speaker 1>hear that good thing.

0:28:29.480 --> 0:28:30.159
<v Speaker 2>I don't.

0:28:29.920 --> 0:28:35.719
<v Speaker 1>He seems to not be as incensed by opinions that

0:28:35.760 --> 0:28:39.160
<v Speaker 1>fly them from social media, and I think young people

0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:41.840
<v Speaker 1>are less bothered by it.

0:28:42.840 --> 0:28:43.640
<v Speaker 2>They grew up with it.

0:28:43.720 --> 0:28:45.600
<v Speaker 1>They grew up with it, so it's I see, I

0:28:45.640 --> 0:28:47.560
<v Speaker 1>grew up with the notion of the power of the

0:28:47.600 --> 0:28:50.040
<v Speaker 1>written word, that if something was written down, it had

0:28:50.400 --> 0:28:51.440
<v Speaker 1>an inherent value.

0:28:51.480 --> 0:28:53.640
<v Speaker 2>Now clearly that's totally gone.

0:28:55.520 --> 0:28:58.920
<v Speaker 1>But I believed that anything that was written down was

0:28:59.000 --> 0:29:02.479
<v Speaker 1>worth at least your attention. Yeah, and of course it's

0:29:02.520 --> 0:29:05.400
<v Speaker 1>not anymore because everyone raised everything down and a lot

0:29:05.400 --> 0:29:06.200
<v Speaker 1>of its garbage.

0:29:06.240 --> 0:29:08.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah. It's just like talking now, right.

0:29:08.560 --> 0:29:10.360
<v Speaker 1>Some people can talk very well and they say a

0:29:10.400 --> 0:29:13.280
<v Speaker 1>lot of interesting things, and some people just are me

0:29:13.480 --> 0:29:13.959
<v Speaker 1>talking now.

0:29:14.280 --> 0:29:17.080
<v Speaker 2>Well, Yeah, I mean that's the classic. It doesn't really work.

0:29:17.520 --> 0:29:21.760
<v Speaker 2>But you're like, if you could see the person who

0:29:21.880 --> 0:29:24.800
<v Speaker 2>said something you didn't like, I'm talking about like a hater.

0:29:25.760 --> 0:29:28.080
<v Speaker 2>He could not only I don't mean to judge their life.

0:29:28.120 --> 0:29:31.640
<v Speaker 2>I just mean if you could see how thoughtlessly and

0:29:31.680 --> 0:29:34.080
<v Speaker 2>how like it's just something they do. It's like each

0:29:34.080 --> 0:29:37.280
<v Speaker 2>ship Craig Ferguson, you suck like it was nothing. It

0:29:37.360 --> 0:29:40.120
<v Speaker 2>was just a fart. I look at social media. It's

0:29:40.160 --> 0:29:43.040
<v Speaker 2>like you're opening the window to the like Times Square,

0:29:43.120 --> 0:29:44.479
<v Speaker 2>and it's just filled the noise.

0:29:44.560 --> 0:29:47.920
<v Speaker 1>And why are you listening to this? Why it goes

0:29:47.920 --> 0:29:50.440
<v Speaker 1>against your instincts, particularly if you're a stand up, because

0:29:51.000 --> 0:29:53.160
<v Speaker 1>you wouldn't Heckler do that.

0:29:53.360 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 2>It goes Seinfeld goes. He comes up a lot. We

0:29:56.960 --> 0:29:59.320
<v Speaker 2>don't comedy doesn't really need to be reviewed. It was

0:29:59.400 --> 0:30:01.760
<v Speaker 2>reviewed that night we did it. Yeah, that's right. Yeah,

0:30:01.760 --> 0:30:04.360
<v Speaker 2>And I love that and that what That's what keeps

0:30:04.400 --> 0:30:09.440
<v Speaker 2>it pure, and that's what keeps its said about social

0:30:09.480 --> 0:30:11.800
<v Speaker 2>media put down that breadon no trace.

0:30:11.920 --> 0:30:16.240
<v Speaker 1>Atkins, who is a country singer of some repute.

0:30:16.800 --> 0:30:21.000
<v Speaker 2>He's a very growth gentleman. That's the dude. Yeah, he

0:30:21.080 --> 0:30:22.880
<v Speaker 2>was the guy. He's a hilarious guy.

0:30:22.920 --> 0:30:27.560
<v Speaker 1>He's lovely, and he's wrestled with alcoholic demons. He did

0:30:28.040 --> 0:30:30.240
<v Speaker 1>one of the most alcoholic things I've ever seen.

0:30:30.040 --> 0:30:30.520
<v Speaker 2>In my life.

0:30:31.520 --> 0:30:36.360
<v Speaker 1>He he had a fight with his own lookalike. Oh

0:30:36.400 --> 0:30:40.240
<v Speaker 1>my god, I don't want to trace Atkins cruise.

0:30:40.520 --> 0:30:45.440
<v Speaker 2>That is, that's about. That's about. That's beautiful. If you

0:30:45.520 --> 0:30:47.560
<v Speaker 2>pitch that though in a writer's room for a movie,

0:30:47.600 --> 0:30:53.000
<v Speaker 2>I'd be like, I don't know. He's fighting with himself.

0:30:53.040 --> 0:30:55.400
<v Speaker 2>He's his own worst enemy. Yeah, I mean all of it.

0:30:55.920 --> 0:30:58.840
<v Speaker 1>But Tray said, I asked him if if he had

0:30:59.080 --> 0:31:01.680
<v Speaker 1>social media and he's said, no, one don't. I said,

0:31:02.600 --> 0:31:04.560
<v Speaker 1>because he said, I said, you don't need to pay

0:31:04.600 --> 0:31:07.040
<v Speaker 1>attention to all these people and him saying bad things,

0:31:07.080 --> 0:31:09.480
<v Speaker 1>and he said, I see it.

0:31:09.640 --> 0:31:11.640
<v Speaker 2>I mean, what do you mean? He said, it takes

0:31:11.680 --> 0:31:13.840
<v Speaker 2>one turd and pool for me not to get in.

0:31:22.840 --> 0:31:25.160
<v Speaker 2>Do you know this story. I'll be embarrassed if I

0:31:25.240 --> 0:31:26.960
<v Speaker 2>told you this when you're on my podcast. But father

0:31:27.000 --> 0:31:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Greg Boyle, I think you told me this. Father Greg Boyle,

0:31:30.600 --> 0:31:33.120
<v Speaker 2>who is a hero of mine and a friend and

0:31:33.160 --> 0:31:35.560
<v Speaker 2>a friend. One am I a fucking spiritual name dropper

0:31:35.640 --> 0:31:38.560
<v Speaker 2>and a friend? But he I mean he's a friend

0:31:38.600 --> 0:31:41.400
<v Speaker 2>of the world. Really. He started Homeboy Industries here in

0:31:41.400 --> 0:31:44.840
<v Speaker 2>Los Angeles. Anyway. He wrote three books and there must lessens.

0:31:44.880 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 2>One's called tattoos on the heart. One's called Bargain to

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:50.280
<v Speaker 2>the choir, and one's called the whole Language. They're all masterpieces.

0:31:50.560 --> 0:31:53.640
<v Speaker 2>He tells this story that Larry David went to Yankee

0:31:53.720 --> 0:31:57.160
<v Speaker 2>Stadium and it was his birthday and they announced it,

0:31:57.200 --> 0:31:59.560
<v Speaker 2>and however, many tens of thousands of people are Yankee

0:31:59.600 --> 0:32:02.760
<v Speaker 2>Stadium sold out game. They all stand up and sing

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:05.600
<v Speaker 2>Happy Birthday to Larry David. He's on the jumbo tron

0:32:05.680 --> 0:32:08.880
<v Speaker 2>and he's waving. I'm sure you didn't love it, but also,

0:32:09.000 --> 0:32:10.720
<v Speaker 2>you know, it's got to feel pretty good. Sure to

0:32:10.760 --> 0:32:12.720
<v Speaker 2>have the entire like it seems like the entire city

0:32:12.760 --> 0:32:15.280
<v Speaker 2>is singing Happy Birthday. And then he goes out after

0:32:15.320 --> 0:32:17.840
<v Speaker 2>the game. As Larry tells it, he's walking to his

0:32:17.840 --> 0:32:21.120
<v Speaker 2>car and someone drives by and goes, hey, Larry, you suck. Yeah,

0:32:21.120 --> 0:32:24.560
<v Speaker 2>And that's all he got from that night. Yeah, And

0:32:24.600 --> 0:32:27.880
<v Speaker 2>there's actually some neuroscience to this. Shout out to Richard Rohrer,

0:32:28.000 --> 0:32:32.280
<v Speaker 2>another beloved friend of mine and a spiritual. He's a

0:32:32.320 --> 0:32:36.800
<v Speaker 2>brilliant theologian. He talks about the velcro Teflon theory. If

0:32:36.920 --> 0:32:40.880
<v Speaker 2>I say, Craig, and I mean this, you're a You're

0:32:40.920 --> 0:32:43.200
<v Speaker 2>a generational talent. You're one of a kind. Who else

0:32:43.320 --> 0:32:47.920
<v Speaker 2>is like you? These fucking improvised monologues your interview Scott

0:32:48.080 --> 0:32:51.080
<v Speaker 2>even right here, right now, and you're writing it's incredible,

0:32:51.400 --> 0:32:56.120
<v Speaker 2>like you're you're something unique and sparkly and special. We

0:32:56.200 --> 0:32:58.880
<v Speaker 2>see you. If you want to hold onto that, that's teflon.

0:32:59.240 --> 0:33:02.400
<v Speaker 2>You have to think about it and hold it and

0:33:02.440 --> 0:33:05.480
<v Speaker 2>focus on it. I think the time is thirty seconds,

0:33:05.600 --> 0:33:09.680
<v Speaker 2>which is way longer. Yeah, you're not going and I'm

0:33:09.720 --> 0:33:11.640
<v Speaker 2>not even asking you to. But if I say, I'm

0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:13.760
<v Speaker 2>not going to say the mean things, because the way

0:33:13.800 --> 0:33:15.920
<v Speaker 2>the mean things work is even if I don't mean them,

0:33:16.160 --> 0:33:19.400
<v Speaker 2>they stink velcro. Yeah, that's fucked up.

0:33:19.680 --> 0:33:25.080
<v Speaker 1>I've heard it described as narcissism in reverse, like oh,

0:33:25.440 --> 0:33:27.360
<v Speaker 1>you can to see the nag at.

0:33:27.360 --> 0:33:31.480
<v Speaker 2>The kick of what's cutting. Yeah, But I actually think

0:33:31.480 --> 0:33:35.480
<v Speaker 2>there's there's theological implications here as well. I'm interested the

0:33:35.520 --> 0:33:37.040
<v Speaker 2>Garden of Eden. I think all you need is the

0:33:37.040 --> 0:33:39.000
<v Speaker 2>Garden of Eden, the Prodigal Son. I think you can

0:33:39.040 --> 0:33:40.640
<v Speaker 2>summarize the whole thing with the Garden of Ening and

0:33:40.680 --> 0:33:42.560
<v Speaker 2>the Prodigal Sun. But the Garden of Eden is really

0:33:42.680 --> 0:33:45.400
<v Speaker 2>I think it's a masterpiece. Especially when you consider it's

0:33:45.400 --> 0:33:47.840
<v Speaker 2>probably written in like dragonfly blood on the back of

0:33:47.840 --> 0:33:49.760
<v Speaker 2>a dead deer. It's incredible.

0:33:50.280 --> 0:33:53.960
<v Speaker 1>Right in Scotland, that's kind of you know, that's what

0:33:54.040 --> 0:33:56.200
<v Speaker 1>they sells tables, that's that's final draft.

0:33:58.280 --> 0:34:01.080
<v Speaker 2>But the Garden of Eden to me, and I've talked

0:34:01.080 --> 0:34:03.160
<v Speaker 2>about this a lot, so forgive me if no.

0:34:03.400 --> 0:34:05.280
<v Speaker 1>Explain to me, because i haven't heard your theories on this,

0:34:05.480 --> 0:34:06.240
<v Speaker 1>and I'm interested.

0:34:06.360 --> 0:34:09.879
<v Speaker 2>I think it's saying that we would rather So we're

0:34:09.920 --> 0:34:13.000
<v Speaker 2>in the garden. What is that? That's unit of consciousness.

0:34:13.000 --> 0:34:16.880
<v Speaker 2>That's oneness. And what's the problem with oneness? It's identity, Liss,

0:34:17.320 --> 0:34:22.280
<v Speaker 2>there's no Craig in the oneness. It's perfect oneness. So God,

0:34:22.920 --> 0:34:27.799
<v Speaker 2>perfect oneness, perfect wholeness, perfect peace. Not a lot of

0:34:27.800 --> 0:34:31.120
<v Speaker 2>specialness going around. So there we were. Now this the

0:34:31.160 --> 0:34:33.799
<v Speaker 2>story falls apart because it's told in dualistic terms. But

0:34:33.960 --> 0:34:37.160
<v Speaker 2>let's say in dualistic terms, I'm a naked man, naked

0:34:37.239 --> 0:34:41.279
<v Speaker 2>meaning not dress, naked without shame, without shame, but also

0:34:41.320 --> 0:34:45.680
<v Speaker 2>without identity. I don't have my red shirt, I don't

0:34:45.719 --> 0:34:47.399
<v Speaker 2>have my job, I don't have my car, I don't

0:34:47.400 --> 0:34:50.799
<v Speaker 2>have my opinions, my thoughts, my beliefs. It's all God,

0:34:50.840 --> 0:34:53.919
<v Speaker 2>I'm naked. Then there's a woman. Then a snake comes.

0:34:53.960 --> 0:34:57.520
<v Speaker 2>The snake is the ego, and the snake says, fuck this,

0:34:58.320 --> 0:35:01.360
<v Speaker 2>fuck this shit. You want to be in a fucking garden,

0:35:01.480 --> 0:35:05.280
<v Speaker 2>just humming and whist the sucks eat from the tree

0:35:05.280 --> 0:35:08.319
<v Speaker 2>of what good and evil? Yes and no one in

0:35:08.440 --> 0:35:13.239
<v Speaker 2>zero binary duality. Let's leave oneness. And what I like

0:35:13.320 --> 0:35:16.040
<v Speaker 2>about it is that we chose it. What I like

0:35:16.080 --> 0:35:18.800
<v Speaker 2>about the myth is that it's not saying God didn't

0:35:18.800 --> 0:35:20.839
<v Speaker 2>do it to us. He didn't kick us out. We

0:35:20.960 --> 0:35:24.200
<v Speaker 2>wanted it. I think this is interesting. We as an

0:35:24.239 --> 0:35:27.839
<v Speaker 2>aspect of God decided to play a little game. Let's

0:35:27.840 --> 0:35:30.160
<v Speaker 2>eat the apple. Let's have a dream, a dream of

0:35:30.160 --> 0:35:37.520
<v Speaker 2>what suffering, yes, but also glory, pain, separation, but also specialness, shininess.

0:35:37.920 --> 0:35:41.520
<v Speaker 2>You can be Craig Ferguson. Oh there it causes tynis.

0:35:41.680 --> 0:35:44.600
<v Speaker 2>Fucking I did that to make you laugh, to be

0:35:44.680 --> 0:35:47.480
<v Speaker 2>bad at the voice. But so when I say, when

0:35:47.480 --> 0:35:52.200
<v Speaker 2>we're looking for that hit, we would rather be miserable

0:35:52.719 --> 0:35:57.400
<v Speaker 2>and special than blissed out and vanish. This is what

0:35:57.440 --> 0:35:57.879
<v Speaker 2>I'm saying.

0:35:58.600 --> 0:36:07.200
<v Speaker 1>Yes, okay, yes, And the thing that I have because

0:36:07.239 --> 0:36:09.040
<v Speaker 1>I think you're right in what you're saying. But what

0:36:09.400 --> 0:36:13.279
<v Speaker 1>I think is quite interesting for me is that I

0:36:13.360 --> 0:36:18.759
<v Speaker 1>have changed my opinion on a lot of things in

0:36:18.840 --> 0:36:22.239
<v Speaker 1>the time that I have been traveling through since my

0:36:23.160 --> 0:36:24.200
<v Speaker 1>inception and birth.

0:36:25.160 --> 0:36:28.040
<v Speaker 2>So like, for example, me.

0:36:29.880 --> 0:36:33.080
<v Speaker 1>Ten years ago even says to you that is perfect,

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:37.520
<v Speaker 1>and me now says to you it is.

0:36:38.000 --> 0:36:41.080
<v Speaker 2>But I also add to you something else.

0:36:41.280 --> 0:36:45.120
<v Speaker 1>And what it is is this is that we choose

0:36:45.160 --> 0:36:54.960
<v Speaker 1>it to relinquish it, to return to oz was always there, Dorothy,

0:36:54.239 --> 0:36:56.879
<v Speaker 1>the return to Eden.

0:36:57.120 --> 0:36:58.640
<v Speaker 2>Can I say that's the prodigal Sun part?

0:36:58.880 --> 0:37:01.880
<v Speaker 1>Yes, yeah, yeah, that which is great. I mean, you're right,

0:37:01.960 --> 0:37:04.959
<v Speaker 1>and I cut you off before the bo you didn't. No,

0:37:05.360 --> 0:37:09.399
<v Speaker 1>I'm delighted you're saying the second same thing, yeah, which

0:37:09.480 --> 0:37:13.640
<v Speaker 1>is the you gotta come back after Rumspringer. It's not

0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:16.560
<v Speaker 1>rum Springer. If you don't go home, that's right. If

0:37:16.560 --> 0:37:19.120
<v Speaker 1>it's if you stay out there, you're just a fucking junkie.

0:37:19.160 --> 0:37:21.680
<v Speaker 2>But if you go back, it was. There's the part

0:37:21.719 --> 0:37:24.239
<v Speaker 2>of the Garden of Eden story I think is completely

0:37:24.280 --> 0:37:27.040
<v Speaker 2>ego driven, meaning we made a God like us instead

0:37:27.040 --> 0:37:28.920
<v Speaker 2>of the other way around. We made God in our image,

0:37:29.400 --> 0:37:32.560
<v Speaker 2>We made him angry, We put angels with flaming swords,

0:37:32.560 --> 0:37:34.440
<v Speaker 2>and we said, get the fuck out of here, and

0:37:34.440 --> 0:37:37.560
<v Speaker 2>I'm gonna punish you. That's all just our own guilt.

0:37:38.040 --> 0:37:39.960
<v Speaker 2>I think you could say for having left. Who knows

0:37:40.000 --> 0:37:43.200
<v Speaker 2>where the guilt comes from? Original sin, isn't it? The

0:37:43.239 --> 0:37:45.800
<v Speaker 2>original sin would be like an original misunderstanding. You know

0:37:45.840 --> 0:37:48.239
<v Speaker 2>what I mean. It's harmless. But even the word sin

0:37:48.320 --> 0:37:50.720
<v Speaker 2>is misunderstood in contemporary usage. I agree.

0:37:50.800 --> 0:37:53.800
<v Speaker 1>You know that the idea that sin is some moral component. No,

0:37:53.920 --> 0:37:55.719
<v Speaker 1>the sin is what separates you from God.

0:37:56.200 --> 0:37:59.560
<v Speaker 2>Sin, you could say, it's separation, it's it's it's it's

0:37:59.640 --> 0:38:02.799
<v Speaker 2>it's sort of benign. Are you a student of Evagris

0:38:02.800 --> 0:38:04.239
<v Speaker 2>of Pontus? Pardon me?

0:38:05.560 --> 0:38:10.000
<v Speaker 1>Evagriates of Pontis, a desert theologian in the third century, right,

0:38:10.200 --> 0:38:11.880
<v Speaker 1>one of the Egyptian.

0:38:11.520 --> 0:38:15.600
<v Speaker 2>How did I miss them? I'm just kidding. Fabulous?

0:38:15.640 --> 0:38:19.840
<v Speaker 1>He is fabulous, a genius. He extrapolated from the theology

0:38:19.880 --> 0:38:23.319
<v Speaker 1>of origin of Alexandria. He came up with what was

0:38:23.360 --> 0:38:28.080
<v Speaker 1>called the eight thoughts, first characterized by the eight thoughts,

0:38:28.080 --> 0:38:30.520
<v Speaker 1>and the eight thoughts were you recognize.

0:38:30.080 --> 0:38:32.359
<v Speaker 2>Them avarice, gluttony, lost right.

0:38:32.600 --> 0:38:35.680
<v Speaker 1>They became the seven deadly sins. And I think sadness

0:38:35.760 --> 0:38:40.120
<v Speaker 1>was folded into sloth. But sadness was one of the

0:38:40.640 --> 0:38:44.799
<v Speaker 1>eight thoughts, and the thoughts that separate you, that are

0:38:45.360 --> 0:38:47.239
<v Speaker 1>they characterized them as they used to talk about them,

0:38:47.280 --> 0:38:53.040
<v Speaker 1>as being demons that would separate you from God or

0:38:53.160 --> 0:38:57.680
<v Speaker 1>wellness or the universe their separations, right, And the idea

0:38:57.920 --> 0:39:02.640
<v Speaker 1>of the idea of sin having like you're naughty, you're

0:39:03.480 --> 0:39:06.960
<v Speaker 1>or you're not naughty is much later in theology.

0:39:07.000 --> 0:39:09.600
<v Speaker 2>It's it's it's much later on. It's you know, it's

0:39:10.040 --> 0:39:11.200
<v Speaker 2>the idea of See.

0:39:11.239 --> 0:39:13.200
<v Speaker 1>I think what happened to Christianity and this is my

0:39:13.320 --> 0:39:16.080
<v Speaker 1>recent theory without Christianity. I'm a big fan of Christianity

0:39:16.480 --> 0:39:19.840
<v Speaker 1>up until about Constantine. Then I think it starts to

0:39:19.880 --> 0:39:26.520
<v Speaker 1>go south when Constantine co ops Christianity as the the

0:39:26.520 --> 0:39:29.759
<v Speaker 1>official religion of the Roman Empire at that point. The

0:39:29.800 --> 0:39:34.440
<v Speaker 1>equivalent today would be Starbucks opening at burning Man that

0:39:35.000 --> 0:39:37.440
<v Speaker 1>you take something which is and it's already happened. It

0:39:37.480 --> 0:39:40.720
<v Speaker 1>isn't Starbucks, but it's already co opted. It's already gone

0:39:40.880 --> 0:39:45.040
<v Speaker 1>because I know about it, right, So it's a I'm

0:39:45.040 --> 0:39:46.960
<v Speaker 1>not saying I know about things. I mean, if I

0:39:47.000 --> 0:39:49.439
<v Speaker 1>know about it. It means it's already gone. I'm the

0:39:49.480 --> 0:39:50.600
<v Speaker 1>sign that it's over right.

0:39:50.640 --> 0:39:52.600
<v Speaker 2>If you see me at burning men, I guess it's

0:39:52.600 --> 0:39:53.920
<v Speaker 2>the last one.

0:39:54.160 --> 0:39:57.120
<v Speaker 1>And I think that that's you know, something that was

0:39:57.400 --> 0:40:00.719
<v Speaker 1>all about a thing became all about something else.

0:40:00.800 --> 0:40:02.239
<v Speaker 2>It was cool op to do it was.

0:40:02.520 --> 0:40:05.120
<v Speaker 1>And it was when there's a great line you know

0:40:05.200 --> 0:40:08.319
<v Speaker 1>the movie The Great Rock and Roll Swindle. It's a

0:40:08.440 --> 0:40:12.360
<v Speaker 1>kind of mock documentary Julian Temple made about the sex Pistols,

0:40:12.440 --> 0:40:16.360
<v Speaker 1>and in it, Julian says to Malcolm McLaren before he

0:40:16.400 --> 0:40:18.080
<v Speaker 1>gets where did you get the idea for the sex

0:40:18.120 --> 0:40:19.440
<v Speaker 1>Pistols the Great Swindle?

0:40:19.520 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 2>Where did you get the idea?

0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:26.000
<v Speaker 1>And he said, when Elvis Presley joined the army. And

0:40:26.200 --> 0:40:30.279
<v Speaker 1>I thought it's such a cool kind of framing of it. Yeah,

0:40:30.520 --> 0:40:32.480
<v Speaker 1>but it just says Elvis was who he was the

0:40:32.480 --> 0:40:34.400
<v Speaker 1>whole time. It's just that you projected at me joint

0:40:34.320 --> 0:40:36.719
<v Speaker 1>in one thing. You make it a thing, yes, and

0:40:36.760 --> 0:40:38.759
<v Speaker 1>then it becomes something and you that's right.

0:40:39.040 --> 0:40:42.520
<v Speaker 2>And I'm gonna Richard Rhorer can explain this much better

0:40:42.560 --> 0:40:44.440
<v Speaker 2>than me, but I think it's ten thirty two is

0:40:44.480 --> 0:40:47.239
<v Speaker 2>when we get like atonement theory, We start thinking of

0:40:47.320 --> 0:40:49.920
<v Speaker 2>Jesus as this like I'm going to pay your check

0:40:50.120 --> 0:40:53.040
<v Speaker 2>sort of stuff. It's like, oh, you're you're evil and

0:40:53.080 --> 0:40:56.799
<v Speaker 2>you're twisted when you know, as father Greg Boyle points

0:40:56.800 --> 0:40:58.399
<v Speaker 2>out that Jesus says you're the light of the world.

0:40:58.480 --> 0:41:00.480
<v Speaker 2>He doesn't say you're the light of the world. If

0:41:00.480 --> 0:41:03.160
<v Speaker 2>you could just get fewer tattoos. Craig, what are you doing?

0:41:03.719 --> 0:41:06.240
<v Speaker 2>Or stop saying fuck and shit and yes and stop

0:41:06.239 --> 0:41:09.520
<v Speaker 2>playing with your dingling and all. That's like we want

0:41:09.560 --> 0:41:13.640
<v Speaker 2>that though. That's what we're doing here. I have this joke.

0:41:13.640 --> 0:41:16.040
<v Speaker 2>I'm working on it. It's like, my God is love.

0:41:16.080 --> 0:41:18.000
<v Speaker 2>And I don't mean the emotion love. I mean like

0:41:18.080 --> 0:41:25.319
<v Speaker 2>an ununderstandable yes, a spacious and simultaneously whole oneness that

0:41:25.480 --> 0:41:30.160
<v Speaker 2>is beyondwards right, yes, yes, and brilliant. We can touch

0:41:30.200 --> 0:41:32.719
<v Speaker 2>on it, we can reflect it here, but we can't

0:41:32.719 --> 0:41:36.879
<v Speaker 2>really do much else. But I miss and I do.

0:41:37.760 --> 0:41:40.000
<v Speaker 2>When I thought God was mad at me, I really do.

0:41:40.160 --> 0:41:43.200
<v Speaker 2>It was pretty fun, like thinking. I equate it to

0:41:43.200 --> 0:41:46.080
<v Speaker 2>the Bourne movies, the Jason Bourne movies, like God's in

0:41:46.120 --> 0:41:48.719
<v Speaker 2>the room with the computers and they're like he just

0:41:49.160 --> 0:41:52.480
<v Speaker 2>he's gone rogue. He had sex send the agent swarm swarm,

0:41:53.160 --> 0:41:55.560
<v Speaker 2>and I think we love that. Look at what we do.

0:41:56.160 --> 0:41:58.600
<v Speaker 2>We make up teams and we fight them and we

0:41:59.120 --> 0:42:01.480
<v Speaker 2>gamble and we make up money and we love it.

0:42:01.520 --> 0:42:03.520
<v Speaker 2>So we don't even have to be mad at it.

0:42:04.160 --> 0:42:07.799
<v Speaker 2>But that's the prodigal son. Is your inheritance. So the

0:42:07.800 --> 0:42:12.880
<v Speaker 2>prodigal son asks for his inheritance is consciousness, is awareness,

0:42:13.120 --> 0:42:16.239
<v Speaker 2>is your God nature, which is looking out your eyes

0:42:16.320 --> 0:42:20.400
<v Speaker 2>right now. It's it's how you're hearing me. It's everything.

0:42:20.680 --> 0:42:23.000
<v Speaker 2>It's how you know reality. We can do an experiment

0:42:23.040 --> 0:42:26.360
<v Speaker 2>after this. It's so fun. Anyway, He says, I'm bored

0:42:26.719 --> 0:42:28.440
<v Speaker 2>at the kingdom, same as the Garden of Eden. I'm

0:42:28.440 --> 0:42:31.840
<v Speaker 2>bored Basically, I want my rump shpringer. It's nice that

0:42:31.880 --> 0:42:33.640
<v Speaker 2>you're a king. I want to go and do stuff.

0:42:33.719 --> 0:42:37.440
<v Speaker 2>And God says okay. The king says okay, gives him

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:40.040
<v Speaker 2>his inheritance, and then he goes in these squanders. Squanders

0:42:40.080 --> 0:42:42.960
<v Speaker 2>isn't quotes, there's no judgment in the story. He just

0:42:43.000 --> 0:42:45.719
<v Speaker 2>goes and kind of implies that he has some sex and.

0:42:45.719 --> 0:42:47.719
<v Speaker 1>Flesh pots of Egypt, I believe it, says.

0:42:47.600 --> 0:42:51.279
<v Speaker 2>Does it? Yeah? And he has some sex and then

0:42:51.320 --> 0:42:52.920
<v Speaker 2>he ends up working with the pigs, which for a

0:42:53.000 --> 0:42:56.200
<v Speaker 2>Jewish Man means the lowest of the love. That's rock bottom.

0:42:56.239 --> 0:42:58.520
<v Speaker 2>But what happens was unlike the Garden of En, there

0:42:58.520 --> 0:43:02.520
<v Speaker 2>are no flaming angels guard it. Flaming angels, angels with

0:43:02.560 --> 0:43:05.720
<v Speaker 2>flaming stories guarding it. Spare the riff, save your career,

0:43:06.400 --> 0:43:10.040
<v Speaker 2>Save your career. We all know it. Let them think it.

0:43:10.520 --> 0:43:13.520
<v Speaker 2>You can't get canceled for what you let them think. Oh,

0:43:13.600 --> 0:43:18.680
<v Speaker 2>I don't know about that. But what the prodigal son

0:43:18.920 --> 0:43:22.840
<v Speaker 2>does that we're all here to do. And it's not sexy.

0:43:22.840 --> 0:43:25.759
<v Speaker 2>It's not that interesting. It's not achieving enlightenment, it's not

0:43:25.920 --> 0:43:29.319
<v Speaker 2>washing away your sins. He just remembers he's free to

0:43:29.400 --> 0:43:33.920
<v Speaker 2>go home. He remembers that Dad isn't mad. And it's

0:43:33.920 --> 0:43:35.840
<v Speaker 2>the greatest story in the world. And it's not that

0:43:35.920 --> 0:43:38.840
<v Speaker 2>great of a story because we would rather he goes

0:43:39.040 --> 0:43:40.960
<v Speaker 2>and like an old testament's not to put down the

0:43:40.960 --> 0:43:43.080
<v Speaker 2>Old Testament, but like the Father's like you can come back,

0:43:43.120 --> 0:43:45.000
<v Speaker 2>we have to work for seven years in the field,

0:43:45.040 --> 0:43:47.360
<v Speaker 2>like that sort of thing. We don't do that anymore.

0:43:47.600 --> 0:43:50.440
<v Speaker 2>He slaughters the fat and calf, he gives them new shoes,

0:43:50.480 --> 0:43:52.360
<v Speaker 2>he gives them the best row, he puts rings on

0:43:52.400 --> 0:43:56.120
<v Speaker 2>his finger. That's the story. We don't like that story. God,

0:43:56.200 --> 0:43:58.680
<v Speaker 2>My God doesn't talk shit, and that's all I'm here

0:43:58.719 --> 0:44:02.840
<v Speaker 2>to do. Craig you see, as fucking dumbass or whatever.

0:44:03.120 --> 0:44:06.640
<v Speaker 2>And he's like, he doesn't even know who Craig is.

0:44:06.760 --> 0:44:08.839
<v Speaker 2>And I mean that in the best possible one. I'm

0:44:08.920 --> 0:44:11.120
<v Speaker 2>very happy with that, you know what I'm saying. Yeah,

0:44:11.160 --> 0:44:17.799
<v Speaker 2>when you stop being scared that God, we're talking about

0:44:17.800 --> 0:44:20.960
<v Speaker 2>the untalkable. I can say God loves Craig in a

0:44:21.000 --> 0:44:23.800
<v Speaker 2>certain way. And I can say and in the ultimate reality,

0:44:24.960 --> 0:44:27.880
<v Speaker 2>God is so busy loving you and being love he

0:44:27.880 --> 0:44:32.080
<v Speaker 2>doesn't even know what you are. Like, that's not exactly right,

0:44:32.239 --> 0:44:37.160
<v Speaker 2>but it's so ah that it's almost offensive to us.

0:44:37.160 --> 0:44:40.640
<v Speaker 2>We would rather he loved Craig, but he just it

0:44:40.920 --> 0:44:41.359
<v Speaker 2>just is.

0:44:43.200 --> 0:44:50.720
<v Speaker 1>It's very, very wide and very difficult because the drive

0:44:52.080 --> 0:44:55.799
<v Speaker 1>in contemporary society and does for as Americans in particular,

0:44:55.960 --> 0:44:59.600
<v Speaker 1>is for the individual. Yeah, and we think of the

0:44:59.640 --> 0:45:02.520
<v Speaker 1>oppice of the individual as being the hive mind or

0:45:02.560 --> 0:45:07.160
<v Speaker 1>communism or occultism. And it's not that either, Yeah, it is.

0:45:08.560 --> 0:45:12.560
<v Speaker 1>I think this is Moses talking about God is none

0:45:12.719 --> 0:45:15.560
<v Speaker 1>shall God says to Moses, none, she'll see my face

0:45:15.600 --> 0:45:16.040
<v Speaker 1>and the live.

0:45:17.040 --> 0:45:19.359
<v Speaker 2>It's not that you see me, you die. It's you

0:45:19.400 --> 0:45:22.759
<v Speaker 2>can't come. It's you can't see Craig can't come, which

0:45:22.760 --> 0:45:25.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm sorry to interrupt. I'm just so excited. Yeah, I

0:45:25.200 --> 0:45:28.239
<v Speaker 2>say this all the time. Pete can't come. In fact,

0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:30.480
<v Speaker 2>you're talking to Pete. That's one of the frustrations. In

0:45:30.520 --> 0:45:35.640
<v Speaker 2>my book. I write Pete isn't enlightened, but I am,

0:45:35.680 --> 0:45:37.239
<v Speaker 2>and that I thought. When I wrote that, I was like,

0:45:37.239 --> 0:45:39.320
<v Speaker 2>I've done it. That's it. That's how I feel. Pete's

0:45:39.320 --> 0:45:41.799
<v Speaker 2>not enlightened. I'm going around just like everybody. Whatever you

0:45:41.800 --> 0:45:43.960
<v Speaker 2>think unenlightened is. I get angry, I get horny, I

0:45:43.960 --> 0:45:48.280
<v Speaker 2>get angry, all that stuff. But there is a spacious,

0:45:48.520 --> 0:45:52.600
<v Speaker 2>quiet place that I can tap into and do. This

0:45:52.719 --> 0:45:55.680
<v Speaker 2>is the example. Round Us says, like, if Craig Ferguson

0:45:55.760 --> 0:45:57.319
<v Speaker 2>comes and sits at the right hand of God, you

0:45:57.320 --> 0:46:02.640
<v Speaker 2>know what that is. Schizophrenia can't come. Craig can't come.

0:46:03.360 --> 0:46:08.279
<v Speaker 2>If you think I am Jesus Christ, that's you're now unstable, right,

0:46:08.480 --> 0:46:11.560
<v Speaker 2>unless you're Jesus Christ, unless you're just But if you

0:46:11.640 --> 0:46:15.000
<v Speaker 2>find the part of you that isn't you, that is Jesus.

0:46:15.040 --> 0:46:17.600
<v Speaker 2>But it's hard to talk about. Here's the example. So

0:46:17.680 --> 0:46:21.200
<v Speaker 2>Rupert Spiro, who's I've never met him, but he's my homeboy.

0:46:21.280 --> 0:46:24.840
<v Speaker 2>He teaches non duality, which is at the core of

0:46:24.880 --> 0:46:26.239
<v Speaker 2>all of this. I think is sort of what we're

0:46:26.239 --> 0:46:29.960
<v Speaker 2>talking about, God being one this thing and you being

0:46:30.080 --> 0:46:33.680
<v Speaker 2>that at its core. And he explains it way better

0:46:33.719 --> 0:46:35.839
<v Speaker 2>than I can for those of you listening, and if

0:46:35.840 --> 0:46:38.359
<v Speaker 2>I can't quite explain this. He had wrote a book

0:46:38.400 --> 0:46:40.840
<v Speaker 2>called Being Aware of Being Aware, which he'll take you

0:46:40.880 --> 0:46:44.000
<v Speaker 2>about twenty minutes to read, but it'll just blow your mind.

0:46:44.239 --> 0:46:46.239
<v Speaker 2>And every chapter is the same thing. He just says

0:46:46.239 --> 0:46:49.000
<v Speaker 2>it a different way. It's incredible. He's also on YouTube.

0:46:49.360 --> 0:46:51.319
<v Speaker 2>It's all just given away for free on YouTube. He's

0:46:51.320 --> 0:46:54.359
<v Speaker 2>amazing British guy, not what you would expect to be

0:46:54.480 --> 0:46:56.879
<v Speaker 2>like a teacher. He's like he looks like you know

0:46:57.080 --> 0:47:00.200
<v Speaker 2>something from Wind in the Willows. But anyway, he's incredible. Well,

0:47:01.200 --> 0:47:03.319
<v Speaker 2>this isn't going to be like a massive point, but

0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:06.040
<v Speaker 2>he talks about like who or what is it that

0:47:06.160 --> 0:47:08.839
<v Speaker 2>is aware of your experience? That is the question when

0:47:08.840 --> 0:47:10.560
<v Speaker 2>we say who am I and I heard that my

0:47:10.560 --> 0:47:12.960
<v Speaker 2>whole life. The most important question you can ask is

0:47:13.000 --> 0:47:15.760
<v Speaker 2>who am I? But I thought that meant like figure

0:47:15.800 --> 0:47:20.880
<v Speaker 2>out Craig's peccadillos. I like coffee, I don't like tea.

0:47:21.040 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 2>I like it's like you know me? P. That's not

0:47:26.000 --> 0:47:27.640
<v Speaker 2>what that means. What does it mean?

0:47:27.680 --> 0:47:27.799
<v Speaker 1>Then?

0:47:28.239 --> 0:47:32.600
<v Speaker 2>Who am I? Behind? What is essential to your identity?

0:47:32.960 --> 0:47:35.560
<v Speaker 2>Because when you were a child, maybe you didn't like coffee.

0:47:35.600 --> 0:47:38.359
<v Speaker 2>Now you do. So everything's changing. You were talking about

0:47:38.360 --> 0:47:42.000
<v Speaker 2>your opinions, changing your body, changes your location, change. All

0:47:42.040 --> 0:47:45.640
<v Speaker 2>this stuff isn't essential to you. So what's essential to you?

0:47:46.560 --> 0:47:48.840
<v Speaker 2>Not your thoughts or your feelings, but change.

0:47:49.360 --> 0:47:52.400
<v Speaker 1>Change is the law of God's mind, and resistance to

0:47:52.440 --> 0:47:54.560
<v Speaker 1>it is the source of all pain.

0:47:55.000 --> 0:47:57.920
<v Speaker 2>I like that. Who said that me? When did you

0:47:57.960 --> 0:48:00.680
<v Speaker 2>say it? Right? Now? That now is? It's a new

0:48:00.680 --> 0:48:05.600
<v Speaker 2>now without explaining it. He talks about the knowing that

0:48:05.640 --> 0:48:07.840
<v Speaker 2>you are. So when you I used to do a

0:48:07.960 --> 0:48:09.880
<v Speaker 2>joke like this, I was like sing happy birthday in

0:48:09.920 --> 0:48:14.720
<v Speaker 2>your head? How are you hearing that? That's your awareness?

0:48:14.760 --> 0:48:17.960
<v Speaker 2>Are you your thoughts? Are you the spacious field in

0:48:18.000 --> 0:48:21.759
<v Speaker 2>which they appear? You must never do acid? I love it? Really, no, no,

0:48:21.760 --> 0:48:23.200
<v Speaker 2>I haven't done acid in a long time, but I

0:48:23.239 --> 0:48:25.879
<v Speaker 2>have done it. I would think it would be bad

0:48:25.920 --> 0:48:29.040
<v Speaker 2>for you. Really not in my experience.

0:48:29.440 --> 0:48:32.520
<v Speaker 1>Did you do it combine it with guinness? No, No,

0:48:32.800 --> 0:48:34.760
<v Speaker 1>that's what I did. That's probably where I ran along.

0:48:36.719 --> 0:48:39.040
<v Speaker 1>Alcohol and acids are a very bad combination.

0:48:39.520 --> 0:48:43.719
<v Speaker 2>He talks about the knowing part of you, the part

0:48:43.760 --> 0:48:46.640
<v Speaker 2>that knows. So I see that and something we never

0:48:46.640 --> 0:48:50.560
<v Speaker 2>talk about it. Something knows what it sees and interprets it.

0:48:51.000 --> 0:48:53.120
<v Speaker 2>So he talks about that being like the screen of

0:48:53.160 --> 0:48:56.600
<v Speaker 2>a movie that isn't colored or changed by what happens

0:48:56.600 --> 0:49:00.040
<v Speaker 2>on the movie. So identify with the screen, with that

0:49:00.160 --> 0:49:01.920
<v Speaker 2>knowing presence. So the thing that I was going to

0:49:02.000 --> 0:49:03.800
<v Speaker 2>do with you is if you close your eyes. You

0:49:03.880 --> 0:49:05.880
<v Speaker 2>just did. I just watched them both minds. If you

0:49:05.920 --> 0:49:07.799
<v Speaker 2>close your eyes and get in touch with the like

0:49:08.360 --> 0:49:09.759
<v Speaker 2>it's going to be hard for me to do because

0:49:09.800 --> 0:49:12.200
<v Speaker 2>I'm talking, But if you get in touch with the

0:49:12.280 --> 0:49:17.000
<v Speaker 2>tingly sensation, imagine that you're a newborn baby, okay, no past,

0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:19.759
<v Speaker 2>this is your first moment, so you don't know you

0:49:19.800 --> 0:49:22.080
<v Speaker 2>have a body. Okay, and now I'm going to talk

0:49:22.080 --> 0:49:23.520
<v Speaker 2>to you like you have a body. Get in touch

0:49:23.560 --> 0:49:26.520
<v Speaker 2>with the put your attention on the tingly sensation of

0:49:27.280 --> 0:49:29.640
<v Speaker 2>your mouth, like that you have a mouth and just

0:49:30.080 --> 0:49:32.759
<v Speaker 2>feel it. You can kind of m hmm. This is

0:49:32.800 --> 0:49:34.960
<v Speaker 2>a phenomenon that we should be talking about all the time.

0:49:35.080 --> 0:49:37.880
<v Speaker 2>You can kind of spotlight your awareness and put it

0:49:38.160 --> 0:49:39.600
<v Speaker 2>on your lips, in your mouth, and because you have

0:49:39.600 --> 0:49:42.200
<v Speaker 2>nerve endings there, you can feel it. H And you

0:49:42.239 --> 0:49:45.759
<v Speaker 2>can ask yourself where does that sensation show up? And

0:49:46.080 --> 0:49:48.000
<v Speaker 2>because you don't know anything, you'd go, well, it shows

0:49:48.080 --> 0:49:51.719
<v Speaker 2>up here? Right, There's no place. It's just like I

0:49:51.800 --> 0:49:55.480
<v Speaker 2>feel it here. But then if we say, now, feel

0:49:55.520 --> 0:49:58.799
<v Speaker 2>your hands, you and I both know that your hands

0:49:58.800 --> 0:50:03.480
<v Speaker 2>aren't near your eyes or open you. I mean you

0:50:03.719 --> 0:50:06.839
<v Speaker 2>love it, I do. Your hands are far from your

0:50:06.840 --> 0:50:09.160
<v Speaker 2>mouth right right. But when you close your eyes and

0:50:09.200 --> 0:50:11.279
<v Speaker 2>you just point your awareness to the tingly sensation in

0:50:11.320 --> 0:50:16.680
<v Speaker 2>your hands, where does that sensation show up? Also here

0:50:17.560 --> 0:50:20.000
<v Speaker 2>there's no distance between your mouth and your hands. You

0:50:20.000 --> 0:50:24.000
<v Speaker 2>could do with your feet as well. Also here a

0:50:24.080 --> 0:50:26.400
<v Speaker 2>distant sound, where does that show up in you?

0:50:26.600 --> 0:50:26.839
<v Speaker 1>Here?

0:50:27.719 --> 0:50:29.720
<v Speaker 2>It's like you're a piece of paper and everything's written

0:50:29.760 --> 0:50:32.080
<v Speaker 2>on that piece of paper and you're the paper.

0:50:33.400 --> 0:50:36.040
<v Speaker 1>I find that quite anxiety provoking.

0:50:36.080 --> 0:50:37.080
<v Speaker 2>What you're tell me why.

0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:42.000
<v Speaker 1>I'm not entirely sure, I think because it probably it

0:50:42.040 --> 0:50:44.880
<v Speaker 1>feeds into me an idea of when I was struggling

0:50:44.920 --> 0:50:48.200
<v Speaker 1>with alcohol and come out from, you know, trying to

0:50:48.239 --> 0:50:52.160
<v Speaker 1>get off of it. I would experience disassociation, fair great

0:50:52.160 --> 0:50:56.759
<v Speaker 1>amounts of panic and lack of physical context with where

0:50:56.800 --> 0:50:57.399
<v Speaker 1>I was in the world.

0:50:57.480 --> 0:51:01.000
<v Speaker 2>And it reminds me of that, Greg, You're not nuts.

0:51:01.880 --> 0:51:05.799
<v Speaker 2>Most nights. If I get up to pee and I'm vulnerable,

0:51:07.000 --> 0:51:09.879
<v Speaker 2>sometimes these thoughts occur to me as well. And what's

0:51:09.960 --> 0:51:12.600
<v Speaker 2>happening I'm not saying to you. What's happening to me

0:51:13.280 --> 0:51:16.799
<v Speaker 2>is this resistance again that goes back to like, no, no,

0:51:17.000 --> 0:51:19.200
<v Speaker 2>I want to I want to be a body in

0:51:19.360 --> 0:51:22.440
<v Speaker 2>hands and it helps me know and you start to

0:51:22.520 --> 0:51:26.040
<v Speaker 2>freak out until and I haven't. I'm not fully cooked

0:51:26.719 --> 0:51:30.400
<v Speaker 2>until you start to trust of what you are a

0:51:30.440 --> 0:51:34.200
<v Speaker 2>part of and know that to be a loving and say, father,

0:51:34.280 --> 0:51:37.960
<v Speaker 2>that's the prodigal son again. We're we're both prodigal sons.

0:51:38.000 --> 0:51:40.160
<v Speaker 2>We're with the pigs, and we know that our hands

0:51:40.200 --> 0:51:42.279
<v Speaker 2>and our lips are showing up here and everything is

0:51:42.320 --> 0:51:45.279
<v Speaker 2>made of awareness. Touch the table and I feel that

0:51:45.400 --> 0:51:49.040
<v Speaker 2>here it's all here and we're still not quite ready

0:51:49.080 --> 0:51:51.520
<v Speaker 2>to go home. No, not yet. That's what we're doing here.

0:51:52.040 --> 0:51:58.680
<v Speaker 2>Here's the good news, big fucking deal. It's okay. So

0:51:59.800 --> 0:52:03.520
<v Speaker 2>do you have a special coming up? And it's filled

0:52:03.520 --> 0:52:07.239
<v Speaker 2>with hand job jokes and Joe, you know what's so

0:52:07.320 --> 0:52:10.040
<v Speaker 2>weird about v Van. I enjoyed talking about this with you,

0:52:10.239 --> 0:52:12.399
<v Speaker 2>and I certainly don't have any of it figured out.

0:52:12.520 --> 0:52:18.560
<v Speaker 2>But here we are promoting my Netflix ten twenty four

0:52:19.280 --> 0:52:21.360
<v Speaker 2>on Netflix. It's called I Am Not for Everyone.

0:52:21.480 --> 0:52:23.560
<v Speaker 1>You should have called it flesh Posts of Egypt.

0:52:23.840 --> 0:52:26.399
<v Speaker 2>Flesh pots of Egypt. Yeah, as the prodigal son.

0:52:26.640 --> 0:52:28.920
<v Speaker 1>No, it's flesh posts Vidu die I just as we

0:52:29.000 --> 0:52:31.399
<v Speaker 1>talked about it, and I remember that line, flesh posts

0:52:31.400 --> 0:52:31.800
<v Speaker 1>of Egypt.

0:52:32.280 --> 0:52:37.000
<v Speaker 2>Does it mean vagina? Probably, yeah, but it could not

0:52:37.239 --> 0:52:40.680
<v Speaker 2>mean that. Josea three to eight is my favorite Bible verse,

0:52:40.719 --> 0:52:44.560
<v Speaker 2>and it's talking to the prophet Josea. I goes and

0:52:44.600 --> 0:52:46.440
<v Speaker 2>he's talking to I don't know who he's talking to,

0:52:46.560 --> 0:52:48.440
<v Speaker 2>but it's God and he says, go show love to

0:52:48.560 --> 0:52:52.800
<v Speaker 2>your wife or something like the Lord your God shows

0:52:52.840 --> 0:52:56.040
<v Speaker 2>love to the Israelites though they turned to false gods

0:52:56.520 --> 0:52:59.960
<v Speaker 2>and love the sacred Raisin cakes. Oh wow, I'm like,

0:53:00.040 --> 0:53:02.560
<v Speaker 2>what the fucker's sacred raising cakes? I give it a Google.

0:53:02.640 --> 0:53:09.560
<v Speaker 2>I think it means anal doesn't some scholars say it

0:53:09.640 --> 0:53:12.279
<v Speaker 2>means but stuff. Well, you know, there's a.

0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:14.760
<v Speaker 1>Bit of that around even back then.

0:53:14.719 --> 0:53:18.040
<v Speaker 2>There was there was, but people loved it.

0:53:18.120 --> 0:53:20.799
<v Speaker 1>Do you know what I like in the Bible is

0:53:20.880 --> 0:53:22.360
<v Speaker 1>that Well there's quite a lot of it I like,

0:53:22.440 --> 0:53:23.120
<v Speaker 1>and quite a lot of it.

0:53:23.200 --> 0:53:24.799
<v Speaker 2>I'm like, I don't know where you're coming from with this.

0:53:24.920 --> 0:53:28.319
<v Speaker 1>But yeah, but there's a line in it that I

0:53:28.320 --> 0:53:31.759
<v Speaker 1>think Solomon said it, who was apparently a bit of

0:53:31.760 --> 0:53:37.760
<v Speaker 1>a wise ass. He said none suffers like he who tarries.

0:53:37.400 --> 0:53:38.400
<v Speaker 2>Too long at the wine.

0:53:39.600 --> 0:53:42.000
<v Speaker 1>And I'm like, yeah, fuck, I hear you, Solomon.

0:53:42.160 --> 0:53:45.280
<v Speaker 2>Yeah, I hear you, buddy, you tarried a little too long, Sally,

0:53:46.080 --> 0:53:46.560
<v Speaker 2>I hear you.

0:53:47.200 --> 0:53:51.000
<v Speaker 1>All right, Uh, it's always a trip?

0:53:51.200 --> 0:53:52.520
<v Speaker 2>Am I leaving you freaked out?

0:53:52.800 --> 0:53:55.000
<v Speaker 1>No, I'm going to have this exact same con conversation

0:53:55.040 --> 0:53:59.560
<v Speaker 1>with Jaylan on this afternoon's a that's the Bible?

0:54:00.080 --> 0:54:01.239
<v Speaker 2>Are aware? The funny chin