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Speaker 2: Welcome to Daily Variety, your daily dose of news and

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Speaker 2: analysis for entertainment industry insiders. It's Wednesday, January twenty eighth,

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Speaker 2: twenty twenty six. I'm your host, Cynthia Littleton. I am

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Speaker 2: co editor in chief of Riety alongside Ramin Setuta. I'm

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Speaker 2: in LA He's in New York, and Variety has reporters

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Speaker 2: around the world covering the business of entertainment. In today's episode,

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Speaker 2: we'll hear snippets from the movers and shakers who stopped

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Speaker 2: in at the studio that Variety hosted during the Sundance

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Speaker 2: Film Festival this past week. It was presented by Audible.

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Speaker 2: I also had the pleasure of sitting down with music

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Speaker 2: legends Kim Gordon and Kathleen Hannah and director tam Ra Davis.

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Speaker 2: That was Kim, you heard in the cold open. The

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Speaker 2: trio were at Sundance for the premiere of Davis's documentary

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Speaker 2: The Best Summer, which chronicles a tour of Australia in

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Speaker 2: December nineteen ninety five and January nineteen ninety six that

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Speaker 2: featured Sonic Youth, Beastie Boys, Foo Fighters, and many more.

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Speaker 2: But before we get to all of that, here are

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Speaker 2: a few headlines just in this morning that you need

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Speaker 2: to know. Forty six million viewers watched the Seattle Seahawks

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Speaker 2: beat the La Rams to secure their Super Bowl spot.

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Speaker 2: This past Sunday. Viewership peaked at forty nine point six million,

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Speaker 2: according to Fox Sports. That was up four percent from

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Speaker 2: last year's NFC Championship game, but the AFC Championship game

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Speaker 2: forty eight point six million viewers tuned in to see

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Speaker 2: the New England Patriots top the Denver Broncos. That game

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Speaker 2: Football's very hot year is the focus of Varieties cover

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Speaker 2: story This week. I wrote about the league's long term

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Speaker 2: image rehabilitation campaign and its outreach to women, people of color,

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Speaker 2: and international viewers. There was It's Joy Tuesday night in

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Speaker 2: Park City, the Sundance Film Festival delivered an old fashioned

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Speaker 2: all night bidding war that ended with a twenty four

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Speaker 2: nabbing Olivia Wilde's much buzzed about relationship comedy The Invite.

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Speaker 2: All of these stories and so much more can be

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Speaker 2: found on Variety dot com right now and now it's

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Speaker 2: time for conversations with industry leaders about news and trends

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Speaker 2: and show business. Today's format is a departure for Daily Variety.

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Speaker 2: We've cued up a rapid fire run of clips from

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Speaker 2: our Sundance studio. We had a parade of actors, directors,

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Speaker 2: writers and producers coming through our incredible space in the

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Speaker 2: heart of Main Street. We're grateful to Audible for sponsoring

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Speaker 2: these important conversations. Sundance takes place in the rarefied air

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Speaker 2: of Park City, Utah, a beautiful setting and a ritzy

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Speaker 2: ski resort town, but that doesn't mean it's immune to

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Speaker 2: the problems of the real world. This strife and division

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Speaker 2: in our country was evident by the incident in which

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Speaker 2: a Congressman from Florida, x While Alejandro Frost, was punched

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Speaker 2: in the face a private party thrown by Cia. The

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Speaker 2: drunken perpetrator, who was not invited to the party, reportedly

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Speaker 2: screamed racist remarks at Frost, who is of Puerto Rican

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Speaker 2: Haitian and Lebanese descent shameful, and then on Saturday, the

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Speaker 2: mood for many turned even more grim. News of the

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Speaker 2: fatal shooting of ICU nurse Alex Pretty by ice agents

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Speaker 2: in Minneapolis reached the mountain by midday, and it could

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Speaker 2: not be ignored in the heady environment that brings so

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Speaker 2: many filmmakers and creatives together. So here we go with

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Speaker 2: our first two clips, actors Natalie Portman and Zoey Deutsch

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Speaker 2: explaining why they wore no ice pins at Sundance while

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Speaker 2: promoting their movies. Portman was, therefore the galerist, Deutsch was

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Speaker 3: Well, this is obviously such a joyful community celebrating film here,

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Speaker 3: But we're also at a moment in our country's history

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Speaker 3: showing right now, showing up for each other, protecting each

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Speaker 3: other and fighting for their freedom. It's a bittersweet moment

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Speaker 3: to celebrate something we're so proud of on a backdrop

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Speaker 4: I just feel like, for me, it's impossible to not

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Speaker 5: I'm not sure I can solve all the problems of

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Speaker 5: the world right now, but I think everybody has to

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Speaker 5: what this country is truly about, because what's happening is

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Speaker 5: hypernormalization right now where like, hey, we're going skiing today,

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Speaker 5: So I guess Ice isn't terrorizing everybody. So I think

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Speaker 5: people just need to do something that Americans don't do

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Speaker 6: There are all sorts of assaults of free speech right now,

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Speaker 6: and maybe this story helps people think about that, you know,

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Speaker 6: and understand how how valuable as his. But one of

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Speaker 6: America was the First Amendment and its enormous emphasis on

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Speaker 2: Now we lighten the tone a tiny bit. Rob Low,

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Speaker 2: who was there to pitch his latest film, The Musical,

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Speaker 2: film and TV production in Hollywood's backyard. Greg Araki, the

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Speaker 7: I think the number one thing that they should do,

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Speaker 7: and this is going to sound incredibly self serving, but

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Speaker 7: Until they do that, they're never going to get any

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Speaker 7: So that's the one thing I think, just without getting

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Speaker 8: He did all these kind of exercises with the pass

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Speaker 8: it's like it's like a DP or anybody. You got

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Speaker 2: Now we'll get a little perspective on how the indie

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Speaker 2: film business is changing amid the streaming media revolution and

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Speaker 2: the world of social media. Kieran and Shipka weighs in,

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Speaker 2: as does Nicholas Braun. Shipka the Moppet we fell for

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Speaker 10: Indie film converging with the Internet age is a very

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Speaker 10: interesting thing and it's fun to see people online freaking

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Speaker 11: Like all this content in our phones all the time

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Speaker 11: to like art and things that are not that they're

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Speaker 11: that there's still a lot of demand for things that

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Speaker 2: And now some very heavy but important thoughts from writer

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Speaker 9: Essentially, what I think is lost to the in the

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Speaker 9: Like it's just fundamentally incompatible and our systems aren't ready

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Speaker 9: And if you look at the what happened with you know,

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Speaker 2: As we close out today's episode, here's a few things

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Speaker 2: Pierre Cosette is shaking his head. Hulu has set April

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Speaker 2: prequel series to The Handmaid's Tale. What's the next move

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Speaker 2: to play out before we go. Congrats to Darren Walker.

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Speaker 2: He's been named president and CEO of Anonymous Content. It's

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Speaker 2: Walker spent the past twelve years running the Ford Foundation,

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Speaker 2: for listening. This episode was written and reported by me

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Speaker 2: Cynthia Littleton, with contributions from the entire Variety team that

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Speaker 2: went to Sundance. Salute to that hard working crew. Stick's next,

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