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Speaker 1: his siblings. Justin was fairly newly single. He had broken

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Speaker 1: according to Atlanta Magazine, they were still friends. In fact,

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Speaker 1: Justin talked on the phone to his sex shortly before

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Speaker 1: When Justin's mom and his stepfather married, they each brought

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Speaker 1: later clarified on web slue that technically these weren't fake IDs,

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Speaker 1: He had no credit cards, just cash, his fake IDs,

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Speaker 1: Justin walked out into that parking lot in Duluth and

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Speaker 1: our Helen Gone Murder line at six seven eight seven

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Speaker 1: is Helen Gone Murder Line. The disappearance of Justin Gaines

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Speaker 1: became a big story in Atlanta because no one could

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Speaker 1: End quote. I find myself really feeling for Justin again here.

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Speaker 1: or not she was at all credible. Some of the

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00:25:58,365 --> 00:26:01,925
Speaker 1: detectives seemed to believe that, yes, Thelma and Dustin had

431
00:26:02,005 --> 00:26:04,725
Speaker 1: lied about some stuff, but they thought there were grains

432
00:26:04,765 --> 00:26:07,965
Speaker 1: of truth in what they were telling the authorities, while

433
00:26:08,005 --> 00:26:11,485
Speaker 1: the Gwinnett County District Attorney, Danny Porter, said he thought

434
00:26:11,525 --> 00:26:15,925
Speaker 1: the whole thing was a dead end. He told Fox five, quote,

435
00:26:16,285 --> 00:26:18,645
Speaker 1: I think they are following up on an unproductive lead

436
00:26:18,725 --> 00:26:22,605
Speaker 1: that has already been investigated end quote. He basically went

437
00:26:22,645 --> 00:26:24,925
Speaker 1: on to say that Thelma and Dustin would come up

438
00:26:24,925 --> 00:26:27,525
Speaker 1: with a different story every time they got arrested to

439
00:26:27,565 --> 00:26:29,245
Speaker 1: try to get police to cut them a break on

440
00:26:29,325 --> 00:26:34,445
Speaker 1: other charges. In two thousand and seven, there was more news.

441
00:26:35,045 --> 00:26:39,565
Speaker 1: Authorities told WSBTV Channel two that they believed that Justin

442
00:26:39,805 --> 00:26:42,605
Speaker 1: was robbed and killed and that his body was taken

443
00:26:42,605 --> 00:26:46,845
Speaker 1: to Lake Lanier in a white van and dumped it

444
00:26:46,925 --> 00:26:50,725
Speaker 1: seemed as though they were now disclosing more details of

445
00:26:50,765 --> 00:26:54,125
Speaker 1: the story that Thelma had told the police. The lead

446
00:26:54,165 --> 00:26:57,325
Speaker 1: investigator on the case at the time, Detective Simms, said

447
00:26:57,365 --> 00:27:00,005
Speaker 1: that he believed that Justin got a ride from a

448
00:27:00,005 --> 00:27:02,565
Speaker 1: blond woman, that the woman took him to a house

449
00:27:02,605 --> 00:27:04,965
Speaker 1: in Snellville, and that he was attacked there and robbed,

450
00:27:05,165 --> 00:27:08,045
Speaker 1: then killed, and his body was dumped in Lake Lanier.

451
00:27:08,885 --> 00:27:13,565
Speaker 1: Then a few days later, on November fifth, Justin's body

452
00:27:13,605 --> 00:27:17,045
Speaker 1: apparently floated up to the surface. After that, police say

453
00:27:17,085 --> 00:27:20,365
Speaker 1: they believe his killer's panicked put the body into a

454
00:27:20,405 --> 00:27:25,005
Speaker 1: black metal toolbox and carried it to another location, eventually

455
00:27:25,125 --> 00:27:29,085
Speaker 1: dumping it in a well. At the time, Detective Sims

456
00:27:29,085 --> 00:27:31,965
Speaker 1: said they had a vehicle of interest. He said, right

457
00:27:32,045 --> 00:27:36,045
Speaker 1: after Justin went missing, the nineteen eighty four Chevy white

458
00:27:36,125 --> 00:27:39,205
Speaker 1: work van that belonged to Thilma's boyfriend at the time

459
00:27:39,365 --> 00:27:43,325
Speaker 1: also went missing. Police tried to locate it, but never

460
00:27:43,405 --> 00:27:48,445
Speaker 1: found that vehicle. Detective Sims also talked about Justin's earring.

461
00:27:49,045 --> 00:27:53,245
Speaker 1: He said, quote, this is a photograph of Dustin Dillon Glass.

462
00:27:53,285 --> 00:27:56,285
Speaker 1: The day after Justin Gaines went missing, wearing an almost

463
00:27:56,325 --> 00:27:59,605
Speaker 1: identical earring. Of course, the photos aren't that great, but

464
00:27:59,645 --> 00:28:01,445
Speaker 1: if you look at it like this and compare them,

465
00:28:01,965 --> 00:28:04,245
Speaker 1: you're gonna see this earring is pretty much the same

466
00:28:04,245 --> 00:28:07,685
Speaker 1: as this earring. Dylan Glass has told me and has

467
00:28:07,725 --> 00:28:10,365
Speaker 1: confessed in his own way. He said that he took

468
00:28:10,405 --> 00:28:12,605
Speaker 1: that earring out of Justin's ear the night that he

469
00:28:12,685 --> 00:28:16,925
Speaker 1: was killed. Enote. Police did try to run down the

470
00:28:17,005 --> 00:28:19,165
Speaker 1: lead on this earring. They did go to the pawn shop,

471
00:28:19,205 --> 00:28:22,245
Speaker 1: and eventually they found the earring, but Erica said when

472
00:28:22,245 --> 00:28:25,245
Speaker 1: they tried to run a DNA test on it, apparently

473
00:28:25,365 --> 00:28:28,485
Speaker 1: there was no trace of DNA. So in the end

474
00:28:28,965 --> 00:28:33,045
Speaker 1: police had a kind of confession, but they had no

475
00:28:33,205 --> 00:28:36,245
Speaker 1: trace of Justin. The people who were talking to them

476
00:28:36,565 --> 00:28:38,845
Speaker 1: had their own reasons why they could be lying to

477
00:28:38,885 --> 00:28:41,565
Speaker 1: police so, and they already felt like they'd wasted a

478
00:28:41,565 --> 00:28:44,725
Speaker 1: lot of time on these searches. Eventually, a couple months

479
00:28:44,765 --> 00:28:48,645
Speaker 1: after his arrest, the charges against Martin Wilkie were dismissed,

480
00:28:49,085 --> 00:28:51,765
Speaker 1: and Martin Wilke has always denied he had anything to

481
00:28:51,805 --> 00:28:56,165
Speaker 1: do with Justin's disappearance or his death. Over the next

482
00:28:56,165 --> 00:28:59,925
Speaker 1: few years, occasionally stories would come up about things being

483
00:29:00,045 --> 00:29:02,365
Speaker 1: dragged up from the one hundred and sixty foot depths

484
00:29:02,405 --> 00:29:06,885
Speaker 1: of Lake Lanier. In twenty seventeen, a houseboat named six

485
00:29:06,965 --> 00:29:09,285
Speaker 1: Pack Sally, which was kind of a local legend because

486
00:29:09,285 --> 00:29:11,205
Speaker 1: the boat was a wreck that had apparently been sold

487
00:29:11,245 --> 00:29:14,725
Speaker 1: for a six pack of beer, was slowly sinking. And

488
00:29:15,245 --> 00:29:18,525
Speaker 1: the news story about this boat sinking was interesting to

489
00:29:18,565 --> 00:29:21,365
Speaker 1: me because it talked about how many houseboats have gone

490
00:29:21,405 --> 00:29:23,805
Speaker 1: to the bottom of the lake. It got me wondering

491
00:29:23,965 --> 00:29:27,565
Speaker 1: what else was down there. It's also interesting because, according

492
00:29:27,565 --> 00:29:31,325
Speaker 1: to Erica, the theory that the police believe is credible

493
00:29:31,765 --> 00:29:35,365
Speaker 1: is that Justin's body was taken out and dumped in

494
00:29:35,445 --> 00:29:40,165
Speaker 1: Lake Lanier, that it was done on a houseboat, and

495
00:29:40,405 --> 00:29:44,005
Speaker 1: they also confirmed that Thelma's boyfriend at the time owned

496
00:29:44,005 --> 00:29:49,005
Speaker 1: a houseboat and a home on that lake. In twenty nineteen,

497
00:29:49,365 --> 00:29:53,205
Speaker 1: human remains were found near Lake Lanier again, though they

498
00:29:53,205 --> 00:29:56,965
Speaker 1: were not connected to Justin. Erica also said in an

499
00:29:57,005 --> 00:30:00,525
Speaker 1: interview that Thelma's boyfriend at the time owned the white van,

500
00:30:01,005 --> 00:30:03,605
Speaker 1: the one police were unable to find. So we have

501
00:30:03,765 --> 00:30:07,645
Speaker 1: this person out there who allegedly owns a houseboat, a

502
00:30:07,725 --> 00:30:10,845
Speaker 1: house on the lake, and a van of interest. But

503
00:30:11,125 --> 00:30:16,365
Speaker 1: this person was never charged with anything, and unfortunately, according

504
00:30:16,365 --> 00:30:19,685
Speaker 1: to reports I've read, this person has also passed away.

505
00:30:19,725 --> 00:30:24,045
Speaker 1: Since Justin went missing. In twenty twenty two, a new

506
00:30:24,085 --> 00:30:26,405
Speaker 1: investigator came on the case. We've talked about him a

507
00:30:26,405 --> 00:30:29,725
Speaker 1: little before. His name is Michael Rising. He works with

508
00:30:29,765 --> 00:30:32,725
Speaker 1: the Walton County Sheriff's Department and he's a cold case investigator.

509
00:30:33,405 --> 00:30:36,645
Speaker 1: He has stated he's following several leads and theories that

510
00:30:36,805 --> 00:30:39,365
Speaker 1: Justin may have been interested in someone else's girlfriend or

511
00:30:39,485 --> 00:30:41,485
Speaker 1: may have been targeted for a robbery. So this is

512
00:30:41,565 --> 00:30:46,005
Speaker 1: kind of what police have said before. Of course, we

513
00:30:46,085 --> 00:30:48,365
Speaker 1: don't have access to the whole case file, but I

514
00:30:48,405 --> 00:30:52,405
Speaker 1: find myself wondering what if it was both? What if

515
00:30:52,645 --> 00:30:55,365
Speaker 1: Justin met an attractive woman who he was talking to

516
00:30:56,165 --> 00:31:00,205
Speaker 1: and she lured him into that vehicle in order to

517
00:31:00,245 --> 00:31:05,045
Speaker 1: set him up for a robbery. Through the years, Erica

518
00:31:05,045 --> 00:31:08,605
Speaker 1: has kept going, even through the false sightings, all the tips,

519
00:31:09,005 --> 00:31:12,165
Speaker 1: and even people leaving her messages with their theories about

520
00:31:12,605 --> 00:31:15,405
Speaker 1: the brutal ways in which they said that Justin was murdered,

521
00:31:15,885 --> 00:31:18,365
Speaker 1: including someone who told her that he had been put

522
00:31:18,405 --> 00:31:21,645
Speaker 1: through a wood chipper. Erica told Atlanta Magazine she had

523
00:31:21,645 --> 00:31:23,885
Speaker 1: heard it all, but she kept doing media interviews and

524
00:31:23,925 --> 00:31:27,485
Speaker 1: getting the word out there. Justin's family wants answers, but

525
00:31:27,525 --> 00:31:32,925
Speaker 1: their priority is bringing him home. So let's go back

526
00:31:32,965 --> 00:31:37,605
Speaker 1: and take a closer look at Dustin Dillon Glass because police,

527
00:31:37,885 --> 00:31:41,165
Speaker 1: even though they believe that he was lying about certain details,

528
00:31:41,285 --> 00:31:44,205
Speaker 1: seem to still have his name on their radar after

529
00:31:44,245 --> 00:31:46,605
Speaker 1: all these years, and when they do make statements to

530
00:31:46,605 --> 00:31:49,005
Speaker 1: the media, they continue to refer to the story that

531
00:31:49,085 --> 00:31:53,285
Speaker 1: was told by Dustin and Thelma. So I wanted to

532
00:31:53,325 --> 00:31:55,845
Speaker 1: know more. I've seen some references to Dustin being a

533
00:31:55,845 --> 00:31:59,165
Speaker 1: gang member. Well, it turns out that this is more

534
00:31:59,205 --> 00:32:01,965
Speaker 1: than just a rumor. I did a deep dive into

535
00:32:01,965 --> 00:32:04,405
Speaker 1: this guy, and Dustin is a member of a very

536
00:32:04,445 --> 00:32:08,845
Speaker 1: notorious gang and called the Ghost Face Gangsters. I've seen

537
00:32:08,925 --> 00:32:15,005
Speaker 1: Dustin's mugshot and his entire face is covered in tattoos.

538
00:32:15,085 --> 00:32:19,045
Speaker 1: I highly doubt that Justin, even if he was super intoxicated,

539
00:32:19,045 --> 00:32:21,525
Speaker 1: which people say he was not, would have gotten into

540
00:32:21,525 --> 00:32:24,085
Speaker 1: a car with a stranger whose face is covered in

541
00:32:24,125 --> 00:32:28,245
Speaker 1: gang tattoos. So a little background on the Ghost Face

542
00:32:28,285 --> 00:32:32,405
Speaker 1: Gangsters or GfG. They started around the year two thousand

543
00:32:32,565 --> 00:32:37,205
Speaker 1: inside a Georgia prison and Basically, the GfG is a

544
00:32:37,245 --> 00:32:40,885
Speaker 1: white supremacy prison gang, but it's spread to the streets

545
00:32:40,885 --> 00:32:44,725
Speaker 1: and it's now apparently the largest gang in Georgia. It

546
00:32:44,805 --> 00:32:48,645
Speaker 1: has thousands of members and these gang members have been

547
00:32:48,685 --> 00:32:52,805
Speaker 1: responsible for huge crime waves. They've also since spread out

548
00:32:52,805 --> 00:32:55,965
Speaker 1: to other states too. According to a twenty twenty two

549
00:32:56,005 --> 00:32:59,005
Speaker 1: report by the Anti Defamation League on white supremacist gangs

550
00:32:59,005 --> 00:33:03,965
Speaker 1: in prison, the Ghost Face Gangsters, while they're definitely racist,

551
00:33:04,485 --> 00:33:09,605
Speaker 1: are not as overly white supremacists as some other groups. Apparently,

552
00:33:10,245 --> 00:33:13,205
Speaker 1: the ghosts Faced gangster's loyalty is to making money, so

553
00:33:14,125 --> 00:33:17,205
Speaker 1: they do have racist beliefs, but for example, they will

554
00:33:17,285 --> 00:33:20,965
Speaker 1: form alliances outside prison with gangs that have primarily black members.

555
00:33:21,405 --> 00:33:24,605
Speaker 1: And I also learn today that there are white gangs,

556
00:33:25,045 --> 00:33:29,365
Speaker 1: even white supremacist gangs that sometimes have Hispanic members. Again,

557
00:33:29,605 --> 00:33:32,485
Speaker 1: not to say that these groups aren't racist. Their loyalty

558
00:33:32,685 --> 00:33:35,885
Speaker 1: is to the crimes they're committing and money above any

559
00:33:35,925 --> 00:33:40,685
Speaker 1: sort of racial loyalty. Within the GfG, the seven original

560
00:33:40,685 --> 00:33:44,085
Speaker 1: members are called the Pillars. New members are all supposed

561
00:33:44,085 --> 00:33:46,485
Speaker 1: to have bloodlines they're supposed to trace back to one

562
00:33:46,525 --> 00:33:49,685
Speaker 1: of those original founding members, and over the years they

563
00:33:49,725 --> 00:33:57,325
Speaker 1: have been involved in a tremendous number of crimes, including drugs, murder, kidnapping, assaults,

564
00:33:57,365 --> 00:34:01,565
Speaker 1: and obviously witness intimidation. There have been many high profile

565
00:34:01,685 --> 00:34:04,685
Speaker 1: busts of the GfG in recent years, but in two

566
00:34:04,765 --> 00:34:08,045
Speaker 1: thousand and seven and when Justin disappeared, this gang was

567
00:34:08,125 --> 00:34:12,925
Speaker 1: not really making headlines yet. In twenty fifteen, after Dustin

568
00:34:13,005 --> 00:34:16,845
Speaker 1: Glass's meth charges, mushroomed into a federal indictment for racketeering

569
00:34:16,845 --> 00:34:21,405
Speaker 1: and conspiracy commit murder. He pleaded guilty to multiple counts

570
00:34:21,405 --> 00:34:25,605
Speaker 1: of conspiracy commit murder, aggravated assault, violation of the Street

571
00:34:25,645 --> 00:34:28,365
Speaker 1: Gang Terrorism Act, and possession of a firearm during the

572
00:34:28,365 --> 00:34:32,325
Speaker 1: commission of a felony, so he was facing some serious

573
00:34:32,365 --> 00:34:37,125
Speaker 1: federal charges. In the end, Dustin Glass was sentenced to

574
00:34:37,165 --> 00:34:42,045
Speaker 1: sevent ten year sentences, but they're running concurrently, so actually

575
00:34:42,125 --> 00:34:45,725
Speaker 1: it's not seventy years. This guy got just over fourteen

576
00:34:45,805 --> 00:34:48,365
Speaker 1: years in federal prison instead of being behind bars for

577
00:34:48,445 --> 00:34:51,565
Speaker 1: the rest of his natural life. I tried to find

578
00:34:51,605 --> 00:34:54,005
Speaker 1: all the documents on this case. Some of them are sealed,

579
00:34:54,525 --> 00:34:57,885
Speaker 1: so I really wonder what information he gave prosecutors to

580
00:34:57,885 --> 00:35:01,445
Speaker 1: cut a deal like that. So now we go back

581
00:35:01,485 --> 00:35:04,965
Speaker 1: to Justin's case. We have a lot of pieces and theories.

582
00:35:05,005 --> 00:35:08,085
Speaker 1: We have the we have Dustin's gang affiliation and the

583
00:35:08,125 --> 00:35:10,685
Speaker 1: story that he told about being there when his alleged

584
00:35:10,725 --> 00:35:14,325
Speaker 1: accomplice fatally shot Justin, and then they all allegedly disposed

585
00:35:14,325 --> 00:35:19,965
Speaker 1: of Justin's body. But there's no physical evidence, there's no body,

586
00:35:20,485 --> 00:35:23,325
Speaker 1: and the people of interest are liars and not credible.

587
00:35:23,845 --> 00:35:26,685
Speaker 1: So police seem to be saying they're not gonna believe

588
00:35:26,725 --> 00:35:29,485
Speaker 1: these people unless there's actual evidence to back them up.

589
00:35:29,965 --> 00:35:33,165
Speaker 1: And also if there is not a lot of evidence,

590
00:35:33,485 --> 00:35:37,685
Speaker 1: then even if they did bring charges against Dustin or

591
00:35:37,725 --> 00:35:41,405
Speaker 1: anyone else right now, there's a very high possibility that

592
00:35:41,405 --> 00:35:43,605
Speaker 1: that person could get acquitted and then the charges could

593
00:35:43,645 --> 00:35:54,045
Speaker 1: never be brought again. They need evidence. The prevailing theory

594
00:35:54,205 --> 00:35:57,125
Speaker 1: now seems to be Justin Gaines was at the wrong

595
00:35:57,165 --> 00:35:59,685
Speaker 1: place at the wrong time, and that while he was

596
00:35:59,725 --> 00:36:02,925
Speaker 1: outside on that bench, a little bit tired, a little

597
00:36:02,925 --> 00:36:05,605
Speaker 1: bit buzzed with a dying Poham battery, and desperately in

598
00:36:05,685 --> 00:36:08,645
Speaker 1: need of a ride, someone saw his nice clothes and

599
00:36:08,685 --> 00:36:14,005
Speaker 1: diamond earring and targeted him. I do believe that someone

600
00:36:14,205 --> 00:36:17,205
Speaker 1: lured him into the car. Was it the two men

601
00:36:17,685 --> 00:36:20,645
Speaker 1: or was it the mystery blonde woman or both or

602
00:36:20,685 --> 00:36:24,565
Speaker 1: someone completely different? I should say that on my deep

603
00:36:24,645 --> 00:36:27,725
Speaker 1: dive into the Ghost Face Gangsters, I saw that while

604
00:36:27,765 --> 00:36:30,405
Speaker 1: women aren't allowed to be full members, they do play

605
00:36:30,445 --> 00:36:34,885
Speaker 1: a crucial role in recruiting members, smuggling contraband into prisons,

606
00:36:34,925 --> 00:36:39,285
Speaker 1: and luring targets to be robbed and sometimes murdered. The

607
00:36:39,405 --> 00:36:42,725
Speaker 1: gang very often works in groups of several guys and

608
00:36:42,845 --> 00:36:48,005
Speaker 1: one or two girls. Erica also told the Unfound podcast

609
00:36:48,045 --> 00:36:51,125
Speaker 1: something else that I think was very interesting. She talked

610
00:36:51,165 --> 00:36:56,085
Speaker 1: about the last time when Justin's phone pinged right before

611
00:36:56,085 --> 00:36:59,325
Speaker 1: it died. It turned out that just after two am

612
00:36:59,445 --> 00:37:02,685
Speaker 1: when the phone pinged, it pinged in the opposite direction

613
00:37:02,725 --> 00:37:07,885
Speaker 1: of his house, a few miles toward Lake Lanier. So

614
00:37:08,805 --> 00:37:12,565
Speaker 1: where was he going? Was he afraid at that point?

615
00:37:12,965 --> 00:37:16,005
Speaker 1: Did these people kidnap him? Or did someone ask him

616
00:37:16,005 --> 00:37:18,445
Speaker 1: if he wanted to go to a party? And if

617
00:37:18,485 --> 00:37:20,565
Speaker 1: it was a woman, did she know what was going

618
00:37:20,605 --> 00:37:22,965
Speaker 1: to happen to him? Or could it? As my friend

619
00:37:23,005 --> 00:37:25,845
Speaker 1: Derek Lavassa brought up when he discussed this case on YouTube,

620
00:37:26,445 --> 00:37:29,165
Speaker 1: could this have been some sort of accident like she

621
00:37:29,365 --> 00:37:31,605
Speaker 1: thought he was cute and then took him to a party,

622
00:37:31,645 --> 00:37:33,725
Speaker 1: and the men who saw Justin there were jealous or

623
00:37:33,765 --> 00:37:37,925
Speaker 1: intimidated by him and jumped him. Now, let me say

624
00:37:37,925 --> 00:37:42,445
Speaker 1: there's no evidence that the GfG is connected to Justin's disappearance,

625
00:37:42,485 --> 00:37:44,325
Speaker 1: but just knowing about some of the people who have

626
00:37:44,445 --> 00:37:48,085
Speaker 1: talked to police and their affiliations, knowing more about the gang,

627
00:37:48,565 --> 00:37:51,845
Speaker 1: I think that if Justin's disappearance turns out to in

628
00:37:51,885 --> 00:37:54,725
Speaker 1: any way be connected to the gang or anyone like that,

629
00:37:55,245 --> 00:37:59,765
Speaker 1: the accidental theory becomes less likely because anyone who knew

630
00:37:59,765 --> 00:38:04,285
Speaker 1: these guys would have to know that any interaction that

631
00:38:04,445 --> 00:38:07,405
Speaker 1: Justin has with these men is probably going to end

632
00:38:07,405 --> 00:38:11,005
Speaker 1: in disaster. This is the same gang who in twenty

633
00:38:11,085 --> 00:38:15,085
Speaker 1: eighteen orchestrated a prison break and the men who escaped

634
00:38:15,285 --> 00:38:19,485
Speaker 1: murdered two corrections officers. Another gang member was arrested separately

635
00:38:19,485 --> 00:38:22,765
Speaker 1: in twenty eighteen after police found the body of his

636
00:38:22,845 --> 00:38:27,485
Speaker 1: six month old baby in a motel freezer. Reading the

637
00:38:27,565 --> 00:38:30,925
Speaker 1: list of crimes that the GfG have committed and looking

638
00:38:31,005 --> 00:38:34,645
Speaker 1: at their mugshots is like watching a real life horror movie.

639
00:38:34,885 --> 00:38:37,605
Speaker 1: The gang made headlines again when several members went to

640
00:38:37,605 --> 00:38:40,605
Speaker 1: the home of someone they didn't like their intention was

641
00:38:40,645 --> 00:38:44,365
Speaker 1: to steal guns and beat him up, but he wasn't home. Unfortunately,

642
00:38:44,405 --> 00:38:47,685
Speaker 1: his fourteen year old daughter was. When she saw these

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Speaker 1: Ghost Faced Gangsters members coming to her door, she grabbed

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Speaker 1: the corrections officers, the federal and state authorities accelerated their

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Speaker 1: announced Operation Vanilla Gorilla. By the way, they always have

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Speaker 1: the craziest code names for these things. Just a side

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Speaker 1: note there resulted in the arrest of forty three defendants.

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Speaker 1: In twenty twenty one, seventy seven Ghost Face Gangsters members

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Speaker 1: But authorities still say that the Ghost Face Gangsters is

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Speaker 1: And Dustin Dillon Glass, one of the police's primary people

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Speaker 1: I've never seen that affiliation mention anywhere on the news. Officially,

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Speaker 1: police have said they're treating Justin's case as a kidnapping

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Speaker 1: and presumed homicide. They have said a number of Walton

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Speaker 1: County residents are witnesses to Justin's disappearance and possess knowledge

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Speaker 1: Is she connected to Dustin or one of his associates.

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Speaker 1: Is she someone totally random? We need to find out.

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Speaker 1: I know that a lot of people have posted on

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Speaker 1: it might be because there was some confusion about who

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Speaker 1: was handling the case. It spanned two counties. But the

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Speaker 1: investigator to contact now we can confirm is Michael Rising

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Speaker 1: I've never talked to Michael Rising, but I've seen where

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Speaker 1: with his contact information. So please, if you know something,

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Speaker 1: if you were in the parking lot that night. If

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Speaker 1: you know who this woman is, please reach out. In

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Speaker 1: twenty seventeen, Erica talked to Eleven Alive about how much

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Speaker 1: Justin was missed by his family. He miss seeing his

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Speaker 1: family members grow up, He missed seeing his nieces and

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Speaker 1: share with him. I'm Katherine Townsend. This is Helen Gone

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Speaker 1: Murder Line. Helen Gone Murder Line is a production of

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Speaker 1: School of Humans and iHeart Podcasts. It's written and narrated

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Speaker 1: by me Catherine Townsend and produced by Gabby Watts. Music

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