Speaker 1: Welcome to the Clubhouse with Shane Bacon, presented by TIF
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Speaker 1: Shane Bacon, and it is Open Week, British Open Week,
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Speaker 1: afternoon golf after you finish up watching the Open in
Speaker 1: the morning. The US Junior Amateur will be on FS
Speaker 1: one uh the semifinals or Friday two to four pm Eastern.
Speaker 1: The Championship is on Saturday one to four pm Eastern,
Speaker 1: so make sure you check that out once you wrap
Speaker 1: up with your Open Championship viewing, because it's gonna be
Speaker 1: great stuff. These young kids get just better and better
Speaker 1: and it really looks like you're watching professional golf when
Speaker 1: you watch this. And it's at Baltics Roll of course,
Speaker 1: a major championship venue. So headed out that way tomorrow
Speaker 1: and we'll be there for the week and the weekend
Speaker 1: and then Sunday morning. I'll be able to get up
Speaker 1: after we wrap up the Championship on Saturday and check
Speaker 1: out check in with Carnousti, which looks extremely dried out,
Speaker 1: which is awesome, very brown, which is awesome, and the
Speaker 1: greens look like they're in unbelievable shape. So it's gonna
Speaker 1: be a fun one. It brings. I think I think
Speaker 1: the conditions bring in a lot more players. I think
Speaker 1: you're gonna hear a lot of people talk about Tiger Woods.
Speaker 1: I talked with that about I talk about that with
Speaker 1: Brad facts and the guests this week just about um,
Speaker 1: you know what type of player can benefit from conditions
Speaker 1: like this, So it should be a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: The Open is one of the most fun viewing weekends
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Speaker 1: All right, to my summer best friend, That's what I'm
Speaker 1: calling them, My best buddy of the summer, A guy
Speaker 1: that I spend more time within my wife Brad facts
Speaker 1: and up next, and we welcome back into the clubhouse,
Speaker 1: a man that has avoided my request to quote unquote
Speaker 1: pot it up. That's why you get so annoyed, is
Speaker 1: it's the way I referenced brad facts and you hate
Speaker 1: the way that I say pott it up. I love
Speaker 1: come never. You know, you're such a millennial. You know
Speaker 1: I don't have that vernacular in my vocabulary, but I'm
Speaker 1: gonna start using that. Maybe people think I'm cooler more
Speaker 1: contacts that way. Yeah. So you and I have spent
Speaker 1: basically the entire summer together, and I hate to even
Speaker 1: bother you on a day that that we're not having
Speaker 1: to work together, but I appreciate you coming on. You know,
Speaker 1: I I love chatting with you about kind of golf
Speaker 1: courses because you and I are both kind of golf
Speaker 1: course nerds. For goodness, say so, we just got a
Speaker 1: chance to do the US Senior Women's Open at Chicago
Speaker 1: Golf Club, and we're basically salivating the entire broadcast. But
Speaker 1: when you look at pictures of what we're going to
Speaker 1: see this week at the Open Championship, you're seeing a
Speaker 1: golf course today is a historic Open Championship golf course,
Speaker 1: But it looks the way that if you're going to
Speaker 1: close your eyes and think about an open venue, it
Speaker 1: looks exactly like you'd think it's burnout. The fairways look
Speaker 1: like they're gonna run forever, but the greens are still
Speaker 1: in good shape. And you know, for people like you
Speaker 1: and I, it's gonna be an exciting week to watch
Speaker 1: because it feels very much like a real Open. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you're ready, it feels and it looks it looks like
Speaker 1: burned out, no control over the golf ball in atlant
Speaker 1: and you know a lot of rubbed the green bouncing
Speaker 1: and Carnewsti or or is affectionally known by many of the
Speaker 1: the players as car Nasty. When the Open was there
Speaker 1: in ninety nine, you know, Paul Lord somehow managed to
Speaker 1: win that thing in a mere seven over part, you know,
Speaker 1: roughly eight ft high, and then the finish by John Vanderbilt.
Speaker 1: People remember those two Opens there. But I'll tell you what.
Speaker 1: We played the Senior British Open there a couple of
Speaker 1: years ago, and you know I've played Carnusti in the
Speaker 1: Dunhill Links Championship. It's a fabulous golf course until the
Speaker 1: last couple of holes and then it's very I would say,
Speaker 1: out of character, what would think of Links golf and
Speaker 1: British golf with these creek beds that run through those
Speaker 1: two holes. But nevertheless of those two holds are impossible too.
Speaker 1: But it's one of my favorite courses and the same
Speaker 1: my favorite story is when when Ben Hogan came over
Speaker 1: to plays one and only British Open he played at Carnews.
Speaker 1: The d ended up winning that event to win the
Speaker 1: first three majors of nineteen fifty three. And then I
Speaker 1: couldn't get back in time to play the PA Championship
Speaker 1: to win the Grand Slam because he took the boat
Speaker 1: back and it wouldn't get back in time. You don't
Speaker 1: take the boat anymore, you're telling me that's not that's
Speaker 1: not an option. No, I don't want to be on
Speaker 1: the q E two. But it's just it's just there's
Speaker 1: so much great history there the course. You're gonna have
Speaker 1: to have a little bit of everything here. And and
Speaker 1: I love the RNA's approach to the Open Championship is
Speaker 1: unlike what we expected a US Open, for um hard
Speaker 1: to be the score of the winning score around part.
Speaker 1: I think the U s g A has a different
Speaker 1: amount mentality of the RNA. The RNA so dependent on weather,
Speaker 1: and you know that's gave me course is difficult Ternbury
Speaker 1: and eighty six when Norman one mirror field when Els
Speaker 1: one had very very high if I don't remember hitting
Speaker 1: so right rough there and it was over my belt
Speaker 1: high obviously Carnoustian. It can be as difficult as they
Speaker 1: wanted to be. But it's fun when it's fast, you know,
Speaker 1: when it's narrow, and when the wind blows so that
Speaker 1: the RNA hopes to have some wind. It looks like
Speaker 1: the forecast is for some steady, um warmest weather for
Speaker 1: over their high sixties. Nothing crazy, but as you know,
Speaker 1: it changes in a minute. Yeah, it was. I want
Speaker 1: to get into kind of a couple of names and predictions,
Speaker 1: and of course we'll talk a little tiger there as well.
Speaker 1: But I wanted to ask you, because I know you've
Speaker 1: got some interesting stories across the pond in your career.
Speaker 1: What was your first introduction to links golf? Not in America,
Speaker 1: if you will, but links golf, you know, in Scotland
Speaker 1: and England and Ireland. First time I ever played in
Speaker 1: England was in the Walker Cup at Royal Liverpool or
Speaker 1: hoy Lake as we called it, and it was the
Speaker 1: first time I crossed the Atlantic and that hotbed of
Speaker 1: golf and Royal Liverpool looking at St Anne Birkedale, you
Speaker 1: know they're all tied in there within a half an
Speaker 1: hour's drive of each other, and some other great qualifying courses.
Speaker 1: But I think what blew me away was, well, there
Speaker 1: were two things that brew me away, but playing the game.
Speaker 1: Part that brew me away was how irrelevant yardage was.
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that you played over there
Speaker 1: to know that you could be in a in a
Speaker 1: situation where you might be in the rough down wind
Speaker 1: from two hundred yards and hit a nine iron and
Speaker 1: it just bounces and bounces and bounces, and then you
Speaker 1: could have a shot from a hundred and thirty yards.
Speaker 1: It could be a foreign and might not be enough.
Speaker 1: So it's I love the old school mentality, even with
Speaker 1: the technology and new equipment, of having to think about
Speaker 1: a trajectory rather than what club and what yards. You know,
Speaker 1: it's really about containing and controlling the golf ball. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, so many people talk about you being a
Speaker 1: great putter. I know that that's something that's followed you
Speaker 1: around your entire career, but I don't think you've ever
Speaker 1: really gotten the credit. This is a compliment you're getting,
Speaker 1: by the way, I don't think you've ever gotten the
Speaker 1: credit for being such a great pitcher. I mean, your
Speaker 1: your ability to get the ball up and down from
Speaker 1: around the greens is something that a lot of the
Speaker 1: people that played golf with you throughout your professional career
Speaker 1: talk about. You had to have loved being over there
Speaker 1: just simply because you could be so creative around the greens,
Speaker 1: not just with these approaches that you're talking about, but
Speaker 1: just you know, looking at a pitch shot knowing there's
Speaker 1: twelve ways to play it. We felt we saw a
Speaker 1: little bit at Shinnikock. We're gonna see a lot more
Speaker 1: of that at Carnoustie, I'm sure, yes. And it's a
Speaker 1: different kind of chipping and pitching. You'll see a lot
Speaker 1: more guys bouncing the ball along the ground, putting from
Speaker 1: farther away because it's so baked out and dry. Uh.
Speaker 1: You'll see less sixty degree wedges used for pitching. You know,
Speaker 1: you might see you know, the odd pop punker shot
Speaker 1: around the green where guys taking a sixty outer has
Speaker 1: to get a lopshot over one of those those bunkers.
Speaker 1: But you know, the greens of Carnunsity have a lot
Speaker 1: of folk to them, and there's a lot of rough
Speaker 1: around the greens. So finding a fairway, you know, like
Speaker 1: everybody to play. If you can find the fairway, find
Speaker 1: the greens, you're gonna be a big advantage and the
Speaker 1: start of carnysity. I mean, the holes are so different.
Speaker 1: You have holes where you gotta draw it. You got
Speaker 1: hole where you gotta fad. You got a long part,
Speaker 1: four sharp parforce. You've got holes that go into the
Speaker 1: way and against the wind, and it's it comes at you.
Speaker 1: In the first four or five holes, they turn every
Speaker 1: different way. And then when you get to the par
Speaker 1: five six, that famous hole or Hogan took it down
Speaker 1: to the left side between the bunkers and the obi
Speaker 1: where most players lay it out to them right now. Um,
Speaker 1: it's there's so much choice, and you know, you and
Speaker 1: I would have a battle to see who has the
Speaker 1: most great logos and who has played the most top
Speaker 1: hundred courses. And I bet if we sat in the
Speaker 1: room and had a beer and just said, Okay, what
Speaker 1: are your favorite courses? Those courses have so much choice
Speaker 1: and so much option, and that's what you'll see it.
Speaker 1: So do you feel like you're a lot of the
Speaker 1: a lot of the things we're hearing from the players
Speaker 1: is that driver is going to be out of these
Speaker 1: guys hands. And you already mentioned hoy Lake. I'm sure
Speaker 1: if you had a dollar every time somebody says who
Speaker 1: we like this week, you're not gonna have to retire
Speaker 1: and never have to worry about working on the broadcast
Speaker 1: team anymore. But it's it's gonna be brought up a lot.
Speaker 1: It's gonna look like when Tiger one, when you hit
Speaker 1: one driver. All week long, we've heard Phil Nicholson say
Speaker 1: you might not have a driver in the bag. Tiger
Speaker 1: said to day he feels like this is his best
Speaker 1: chance ever. Does this eliminate distance? And when I say that,
Speaker 1: does it mean does this eliminate the bombers? And allow
Speaker 1: basically everyone that's a media medium distance short distance hitter
Speaker 1: to contend this week if they play well around the greens. Absolutely,
Speaker 1: And and you know when Tiger won there and Mcarroy
Speaker 1: want at Wylak, they did it in different ways, but
Speaker 1: they weren't hitting driver and every hole for sure. And
Speaker 1: it's not that you can't, but you have to be precise.
Speaker 1: And you know, it's amazing that You could have a
Speaker 1: bunker that's you know, seven yards by seven yards wide,
Speaker 1: and it seems like a ball that's ten yards left
Speaker 1: or right of it. They all end up in that bunker.
Speaker 1: For some reason. The way that the design works, balls
Speaker 1: end up kicking to those bunkers, which, as you know,
Speaker 1: or death. On the golf course, it's like a hazard.
Speaker 1: You got to hit it out sideways. So um, you
Speaker 1: can play a strategy that takes all that out of play,
Speaker 1: but then you've got to really play some controlled iron
Speaker 1: shots and if it gets windy, it'll be fun to
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Speaker 1: Now let's get back to Mr faxon do you believe
Speaker 1: that that this is Tiger's best chance, not just this
Speaker 1: week but the Open Championship in general. Do you feel
Speaker 1: like this is Tiger's best chance to contend? Considering he
Speaker 1: can look at holes, green back to the t he
Speaker 1: can use strategy, you can hit a lot of those
Speaker 1: long irons. Do you feel like going forward? Uh, and
Speaker 1: and focus is always around Tiger Woods, that this is
Speaker 1: the best major he's going to have to win. Well,
Speaker 1: it depends are you're talking about this year in the
Speaker 1: next few years that he plays. I mean, he seems
Speaker 1: to be getting back and stronger and um contending in
Speaker 1: different ways. Now, you know, we used to see Tiger
Speaker 1: win by driving it far, hitting great approach shots, and
Speaker 1: putting like nobody's ever putted before. And now you know,
Speaker 1: we see him contend by having one of those three
Speaker 1: things working, but never all three things working. So he
Speaker 1: needs to find a way to ramp up the consistency.
Speaker 1: I love Shamblie's comment that when he went around carn
Speaker 1: Neusti yesterday that it will be the best chance Tiger
Speaker 1: has to win because he doesn't have to draw the
Speaker 1: ball and there were only two holes that he has
Speaker 1: to draw the ball. And I'm pretty sure if if
Speaker 1: that's the place Shamblie is accurate, those will be three
Speaker 1: with or two iron holes for him. Yeah, it's it's just,
Speaker 1: you know, the comments we're getting from carnoustis crazy. I mean,
Speaker 1: these guys are hitting thirty yard drives. We saw it
Speaker 1: a little bit last week at the Scottish Open. Ricky
Speaker 1: was hitting forward in fifty yard drives and uh, it's
Speaker 1: it's gonna take. I don't think patients is the right word.
Speaker 1: I just think a game plan. Whoever has the game
Speaker 1: plan that I feel like it works the best, not
Speaker 1: for Thursday, not for Friday, but for all four days
Speaker 1: and I wonder if if you have to look at
Speaker 1: at a guy that's really really smart when you know
Speaker 1: the guns go off. I mean, I I know Jordan's
Speaker 1: speed struggled this year with his game, and I know
Speaker 1: if he doesn't win this week, it's going to be
Speaker 1: the first calendar year that he hasn't won since he
Speaker 1: was a kid. If ever, but you think about a
Speaker 1: Jordan's speed, and you think about a guy that has
Speaker 1: has has definitely I would say, you know, taking a
Speaker 1: bigger leap than most of these young guys as somebody
Speaker 1: that can outthink a golf course, no doubt. And the
Speaker 1: variable is going to be the wind in the wind direction,
Speaker 1: strength and wind and where it blows from. And an
Speaker 1: experience always makes a big difference if you've played the
Speaker 1: course in these different conditions. But there are some players
Speaker 1: and speak your games. I would put Justin Rose in
Speaker 1: that category of guys that know how to be precision
Speaker 1: like a machine like when they play, but still have
Speaker 1: a knack. They have the ability to to find a
Speaker 1: way when they're they're awf a little bit to get
Speaker 1: the ball up and down or get it in the
Speaker 1: fairway with enough length or enough pop and that's why
Speaker 1: Tigers got a chance here. And there's something about I
Speaker 1: would maybe you should have said this earlier this year.
Speaker 1: There's a spirit that comes out when you go over
Speaker 1: to play in Scotland, and I think you throw away
Speaker 1: the rules and I don't mean the rules of golf,
Speaker 1: but the rules of what you normally do, and you
Speaker 1: know you're you're hitting shots to avoid pop bunkers, to
Speaker 1: leave yourself longer on approaches because you know they're dead,
Speaker 1: or else you're you're getting up and hitting a four
Speaker 1: hundred yard drive so that you can have a two
Speaker 1: hundred yard eight iron to a six hundred yard part five,
Speaker 1: there's there's so many or else you'll play on number six,
Speaker 1: you'll play with three iron, five iron, seven iron and
Speaker 1: walk away with the best part of your life. So
Speaker 1: there's going to be so many different options, so many
Speaker 1: different choices out there that that a player. And you
Speaker 1: you said you don't like the word patients. Maybe it's persistence.
Speaker 1: You've got to have something that keeps your nose to
Speaker 1: the grindstone here and realize that this isn't a normal
Speaker 1: Open championship. Carnousti is different um and then it's gonna
Speaker 1: make you hit some shots, and especially these last three
Speaker 1: holes seventeen and eighteen, two tough parfloors that are parallel
Speaker 1: to other different directions. Um one of them is always
Speaker 1: amazingly difficult. So it'll be it'll be interesting to see
Speaker 1: what wind comes up the carnst and what type of
Speaker 1: player or players can do the best there. You know,
Speaker 1: I'm not sure I've ever played a golf course for
Speaker 1: the first time. When I first played Carnousti, where I
Speaker 1: stood on the t on, I would say three, four,
Speaker 1: maybe five holds. You mentioned seventeen this is the best
Speaker 1: example of it, and had no clue where to go
Speaker 1: and stand on seventeen for the first time, I had
Speaker 1: no deal where the fairway was. I mean, you know
Speaker 1: that's I think seventeen is tougher than eighteen, you know,
Speaker 1: ten times out of ten unless the winds right behind you.
Speaker 1: But you know, when you I was watching I was
Speaker 1: watching the Sergio Padrick Open the other day on they
Speaker 1: had on Golf Channel, and you know, you're hitting long iron,
Speaker 1: long iron. It's like you said, it's a completely different
Speaker 1: strategy and you have to commit to it, and then
Speaker 1: you've got to go out there and hit the golf shots,
Speaker 1: and so you know, you can stand on sixteen T
Speaker 1: two three four five under par and feel pretty good
Speaker 1: about yourself, and you can walk off shooting even very
Speaker 1: very easy. I mean, it has to be the toughest
Speaker 1: three whole stretch that you finish in just about any
Speaker 1: major championship, right. No, I agree with you that I'd
Speaker 1: love to see by the end of the week what
Speaker 1: the percentage of Green's hit on sixteen are, especially when
Speaker 1: the ts way back there. It's two D twenty yards. Uh.
Speaker 1: It's it's a complete inverted saucer. It's a Donald Ross
Speaker 1: style degree not a Donald Ross screen, but the style
Speaker 1: where it's high in the bill and it runs off
Speaker 1: on all the sides. If if you're gonna land it short,
Speaker 1: it's got to be just a perfectly placed, a shaped shot, uh.
Speaker 1: And it goes off far enough that there's never an
Speaker 1: easy pitch or chip or whatever it is that you're
Speaker 1: gonna hit. And then seventeen, you know, if it's down wind, Yeah, sure,
Speaker 1: it's a it's a short, shorter T shot, but you've
Speaker 1: got to keep it short of those that burned the crosses.
Speaker 1: And it's it's never in a situation where guys are
Speaker 1: going to drive it across that burn. For some reason,
Speaker 1: the founders of the game figured out that that t shot.
Speaker 1: And you know, if it is down when God bless you,
Speaker 1: because when you play eighteen, you're gonna see the toughest shot. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that eighteen toldly, you know, you cut the ball as
Speaker 1: a lefty eye, draw it as the right. You can
Speaker 1: land a shot of the ante screen, have it go
Speaker 1: out of bounds, left of the green. It's it's the
Speaker 1: damnest thing I've ever seen. And never mind the creek
Speaker 1: you get across the O B on the left. The
Speaker 1: ghost of John Vandervelt. I mean, it's I can't wait
Speaker 1: to sit down and watch this. Then, yeah, you know,
Speaker 1: you you think of Vandervelt and his name always comes up,
Speaker 1: of course it does. I mean he makes triple on
Speaker 1: the last it loses in a playoff, and we'll forever
Speaker 1: in in a hundred years from now, if you're alive
Speaker 1: in a hundred years, you'll remember him standing in the burn,
Speaker 1: you know, with his pants rolled up. It's an image
Speaker 1: that is forever burned in the golfer's memory. But you forget,
Speaker 1: you know, Sergio Bogie's eighteen Padrick Harrington doubles eighteen. I mean,
Speaker 1: these are the guys that are contending to win this
Speaker 1: Open Championship and they're playing it multiple over par on
Speaker 1: that final day. I mean, it's not just Vandervelt that
Speaker 1: struggle with it. And and I loved on Twitter last
Speaker 1: week Scott van Pelle chimed in. I was talking a
Speaker 1: little bit about you know, they were showing a special
Speaker 1: on Golf Channel about Vandervelt, and I said, I'm not
Speaker 1: sure I can watch it because it's still just it
Speaker 1: just pains me. You know when you see somebody like
Speaker 1: that melt down and he says, you know, he got
Speaker 1: one of the worst breaks of all time Van Develle did,
Speaker 1: and everybody forgets that. But uh, you know, I know
Speaker 1: you didn't play in that Open in ninety nine. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you're watching it. If you you had,
Speaker 1: you were at the end of edge of your seat.
Speaker 1: But I remember where I was during that whole thing.
Speaker 1: And as you said, it's something that is so burned
Speaker 1: in the memory of golfers that any professional on that
Speaker 1: t you don't have to have a seven shot lead
Speaker 1: to feel comfortable there, right, no no doubt. You know,
Speaker 1: maybe it's so easy after, you know, watching what happened
Speaker 1: to Vanderbilt to say, why don't you just play six
Speaker 1: R and six iron and six um. And by the way,
Speaker 1: you could have hit the six iron in the creek,
Speaker 1: you get hit the next six R and the funker
Speaker 1: you get hit the next six tron out found um.
Speaker 1: But Vanderbilt, you know, pulls driver out and it would
Speaker 1: have been an easy decision to go wedge wedge, but
Speaker 1: US two D ten yards. All he had to do
Speaker 1: was hit it over the creek in the grand stands.
Speaker 1: He gets a drop in front of him. It's it's
Speaker 1: an easy six if he hits it in the grandstands,
Speaker 1: which you did, but it's somehow cams and ricochet back
Speaker 1: over the creek. Even if it when in the creek,
Speaker 1: it's a better shot, UM, a better break. And I was,
Speaker 1: you know, thinking about where you were. I was actually
Speaker 1: in a car driving head just maybe I had I
Speaker 1: had a broken wrist, so I didn't get to play
Speaker 1: that one. I had landed somewhere and I was at
Speaker 1: an airplane and I was called Rett Quickly's dad, Paul.
Speaker 1: Paul is so consistent because he's always watching golf, and
Speaker 1: he would be the great announcer like Brett is, and
Speaker 1: and he was giving me the play by playing what
Speaker 1: bandvelt he's doing? I had to stop the plot. You're
Speaker 1: going to wait a minute, he's he's in the burn?
Speaker 1: What does he doing? Just take a drop? I mean,
Speaker 1: I think everybody, everybody's just sitting there was just staring
Speaker 1: at the TV with their hands out, going what is happening?
Speaker 1: You just hope it doesn't happen again. For goodness sakes,
Speaker 1: just don't happen to anyone this week. We don't want
Speaker 1: to see it. The train wreck is only fun once
Speaker 1: every twenty years. I was gonna ask you a little
Speaker 1: bit as I know Brett, I know you've worked with
Speaker 1: some players with their putting lately. I don't want to
Speaker 1: get in, you know, specifics with certain players, but I
Speaker 1: did want to ask you about your philosophy when you
Speaker 1: talk to players, and you've worked with some of the
Speaker 1: best players in the world the last few months, in
Speaker 1: the last couple of years. Is it a philosophy you
Speaker 1: try to teach him or you're actually working on mechanics. Well,
Speaker 1: there's always both, and it's it's up to the individual,
Speaker 1: you know, and the coach to figure out what's the
Speaker 1: plan for each person? I And there's no cookie cutter
Speaker 1: to putting. And to me, I've seen guys that have
Speaker 1: awkward strokes be great putters, and guys with beautiful looking
Speaker 1: set ups, a beautiful look at mechanics be pour putters.
Speaker 1: And there's no part of the game that tests a
Speaker 1: player more than than the putter does. And I would
Speaker 1: much rather be a confident putter than any other part
Speaker 1: of the game, because it drives you crazy. The worst
Speaker 1: thing is when when people tell let's call it Billy
Speaker 1: ray Brown or Steve Ellington or whoever might be the
Speaker 1: greatest swinger of the golf club, oh, you should win
Speaker 1: every tournament with your swinging um, and then they put
Speaker 1: more pressure on themselves to put better. You know, when
Speaker 1: when players hit the ball well, they don't make seem
Speaker 1: to make as many birdie putts as they do par putts.
Speaker 1: And there's a psychology to that, and why so I
Speaker 1: always try and ask the player what is it they've
Speaker 1: felt the best that when they've putted their best? You know,
Speaker 1: do they do they have thoughts? What are the thoughts
Speaker 1: are they? Fields? Can you see shapes, colors, stripes? What
Speaker 1: do you see when you're out there, do you do you?
Speaker 1: What are your senses? Like? You know, you've got to
Speaker 1: you've got to really get inside a player. And you
Speaker 1: know there are times one of the players when you're
Speaker 1: completely lost shame where they have ten fifteen swing thoughts,
Speaker 1: stroke fought where you gotta say, Okay, I've got to
Speaker 1: find a way to get this guy back to ground
Speaker 1: zero where he has just one. And it takes time,
Speaker 1: and it takes thoughtfulness. And and I'm a believer that
Speaker 1: you don't have to be perfect to put you know,
Speaker 1: there's there's too many guys I think that want to
Speaker 1: make sure that putter faces aimed perfectly at address. They
Speaker 1: want to make sure that ball starts directly on the
Speaker 1: line every single time. And I'm not that guy. I
Speaker 1: believe there's there's a lot of different ways that ball
Speaker 1: can go on the whole um. The ball is much
Speaker 1: smaller than the cup. You can you can pull or
Speaker 1: push the shot and puttons to have them go in.
Speaker 1: And you know, there's there's guys that were risky strokers.
Speaker 1: There were shoulder strokers or arms strokers, and and now
Speaker 1: the way that players hold onto the putter, I mean,
Speaker 1: I don't even think that the conventional right hand low
Speaker 1: grip for right handed player, it's the most popular grip.
Speaker 1: And if it is, it's not by much. So for
Speaker 1: somebody to come up with a statement that says, well,
Speaker 1: this is all you have to do is hunting takes,
Speaker 1: you know, coming around too long. And I think I'm
Speaker 1: proudest as a as a player and a guy that
Speaker 1: had a reputation for being a good putter to have
Speaker 1: been able to do it for decades. And I don't
Speaker 1: I say that humbly. I don't say that, um with
Speaker 1: any kind of ego, because I worked my tail off
Speaker 1: at becoming a better putter. I spent a lot of
Speaker 1: time with Scotty Cameron and the Scottie Cameron studio, looking
Speaker 1: at strokes, different strokes, how the ball leaves the putter,
Speaker 1: and talking to players, well, how do they think? What
Speaker 1: do they thinking about? Um? So, you know, the hardest
Speaker 1: question and the most often ask question I get is
Speaker 1: can you just give me one thing? What's the one thing?
Speaker 1: I'm like, God, I wish I had that one thing.
Speaker 1: I could you know, put in a jar and put
Speaker 1: it on the shelf at CBS and you could just
Speaker 1: go by this one thing that would help everybody. We
Speaker 1: would all be better off. Is this the easiest major
Speaker 1: for a bad putter to win at? Well, that's a
Speaker 1: great question, there's to To me, the hardest greens to
Speaker 1: put were always the flattest greens to put. Remember going
Speaker 1: to to best page black and early two thousand two,
Speaker 1: I think um and a lot of people that were
Speaker 1: familiar with the golf course said, oh, you're gonna play
Speaker 1: great there. These greens are so simple. Every puts a
Speaker 1: straight put. And what they meant by that was you
Speaker 1: didn't have to play a lot of break. And I
Speaker 1: thought they are the most difficult holes to read, dreams
Speaker 1: to read. And I'd much prefer to put greens that
Speaker 1: had a lot of obvious slope, like Augusta National Um
Speaker 1: or Shinnecock, where you knew that there was a lot
Speaker 1: of break, but it was obvious what that break was um.
Speaker 1: So straighter puts were tougher to me at most of
Speaker 1: the times of British Open a road to the half
Speaker 1: tamer greens or a little bit slower greens. And I
Speaker 1: think slower greens test the quality of the player's stroke too,
Speaker 1: because you have to be you know, you have to
Speaker 1: take a longer stroke, the faces opening and closing. More so,
Speaker 1: slower greens and flatter greens were always the most difficult
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Speaker 1: get back to Mr Paxon. All right, I need your pick,
Speaker 1: I know, and I am good, for goodness sakes, I
Speaker 1: know how you do this normally, Normally give me like
Speaker 1: seven people. I need one person, Brad, just one that
Speaker 1: you think we'll walk away with the Clare jugg And
Speaker 1: I know picking is a little silly for any of
Speaker 1: these major championships, but you know, somebody that I think
Speaker 1: you feel like has a really, really good chance. I
Speaker 1: think I think I'm gonna be very happy picking Dustin Johnson. Okay,
Speaker 1: he's played well in British Opens. He's knocking on the door.
Speaker 1: Like you said, if it's true that you don't have
Speaker 1: to be the best putter in the world. I think
Speaker 1: he's a confident putter now. I think he's been able
Speaker 1: to keep it. I'm complicated that I looked up, you know,
Speaker 1: and I very surprise if he's not at least in contention.
Speaker 1: I mean, it's it's silly. That's just one guy. I'm
Speaker 1: im prised you picked the one number one player in
Speaker 1: the world. Way to go on that um, but I
Speaker 1: mean he is the guy that I think you you
Speaker 1: have to look at as somebody that's coming in with,
Speaker 1: as you mentioned, all of the tools for this type
Speaker 1: of thing, and it's gonna be to me, it's going
Speaker 1: to be kind of a second shot pitching kind of
Speaker 1: golf course and it's very much a part of his
Speaker 1: game that he's improved on. So would you say for
Speaker 1: people out there that are looking at their pools and
Speaker 1: they're looking at the guys to pick, and they they're
Speaker 1: itching to pick Tiger, what do you say to those people?
Speaker 1: Do you think Tiger's got a top ten and them
Speaker 1: the top five in him? Do you think that he
Speaker 1: legitimately can win this? Yes, yes to all of them. Um,
Speaker 1: I think that CANUSI of of all the open courses
Speaker 1: I've played it, it kind of can tell you what
Speaker 1: shot you want to hit. But that being said, if
Speaker 1: if he's not confident off the tea and I remember
Speaker 1: him hitting I believe on the first t shot his
Speaker 1: iron out of bounds, I got out of bounds, but
Speaker 1: into the burn on the left. If he's not comfortable
Speaker 1: off the team, we've seen that with him. You know,
Speaker 1: he's been a little erratic, uh this year with his game.
Speaker 1: He's he's had you know, stints where he looks like
Speaker 1: Tiger Woods and then he says, since where you're going?
Speaker 1: Who is this guy? It's it's it's definitely been kind
Speaker 1: of a role to die. Of course, you and I
Speaker 1: were calling the U s open and he comes out
Speaker 1: of the first hole and makes triple and we're going,
Speaker 1: oh goodness, it was It was actually funny, I mean
Speaker 1: funny for us. You and I had filmed something for
Speaker 1: titlists and we did these little segments, these complete performance segments,
Speaker 1: and you know, we we were kind of tricked trying
Speaker 1: to sneak around Shinnecock to do him and not disturb
Speaker 1: any of the players during their practice rounds. And it
Speaker 1: was late I think it was Wednesday, and the first
Speaker 1: hole was clear, so we got a chance to do
Speaker 1: something on the first hole, and then we went to
Speaker 1: the green and you were going to talk about pitching
Speaker 1: the ball and kind of different options around Shinnecock, and
Speaker 1: you were like, this is a great place to do it.
Speaker 1: Long on one is a really really bad spot. And
Speaker 1: you hit a few shots, and you know, we did
Speaker 1: a couple of takes of it and you and I
Speaker 1: are calling action and Tiger hit it almost exactly where
Speaker 1: we've done the complete performance thing from and you knew
Speaker 1: how hard that shot was. Well that the green fell off,
Speaker 1: you know a lot of the greens at that page
Speaker 1: fell off on all sides. You know, the the new
Speaker 1: architecture there closely mowing areas where that was the buzzword
Speaker 1: and the first hole and when we tied was posing
Speaker 1: on that second shot. It was into the wind. That
Speaker 1: hole can be drivable, and you know he's looking at
Speaker 1: his eight iron from a hundred and fifty yards and
Speaker 1: this thing just sort over the green down into some
Speaker 1: row exactly where we hit those shots, and the little
Speaker 1: stiffets for titliston and we knew that, hey, let's not
Speaker 1: be silly here. You've hit a bad shot here over
Speaker 1: the green, this is the first hole. Five's okay, let's
Speaker 1: just get out of there. And then you know, somehow
Speaker 1: you eat doesn't get his first shot of rolls right
Speaker 1: back to his feet, and uh, you felt so bad
Speaker 1: for him because he didn't hit a shot. We watched
Speaker 1: that happened to Jordan's speech on number Yeah, you get
Speaker 1: you get out of position. It was It was a
Speaker 1: perfect example of what us opens are about. Is like
Speaker 1: you get out of position by a foot and you
Speaker 1: are you might have ruined your tournament chances or your
Speaker 1: championship chances. And we saw that with Speed on eleven,
Speaker 1: and we saw it with Tiger one. It's been a
Speaker 1: fun summer. We've got a chance to I would say
Speaker 1: knockout in terms of broadcasting some of the best courses
Speaker 1: that we that you'll ever see. And I mean last
Speaker 1: week was was a great example that. I mean, a
Speaker 1: chance to showcase Chicago Golf Club. You you're a guy
Speaker 1: that loves the history of the game, and I know,
Speaker 1: getting a chance to go there and do that was
Speaker 1: pretty special. I know it was special for me. But
Speaker 1: just to showcase a play like a place like Chicago
Speaker 1: Golf Club, you know that maybe most of the people
Speaker 1: that are watching have never seen even video of it.
Speaker 1: And that's one of the reasons, Shane, that there were
Speaker 1: so many spectators out there too that they obviously came
Speaker 1: to watch good golf from the senior women, but they
Speaker 1: wanted to be on the hallowed grounds of Chicago Golf.
Speaker 1: And you know we've talked about see the McDonald and
Speaker 1: Seth Rayner, this team that you could argue that they
Speaker 1: build maybe the best course in the world at National
Speaker 1: Golf Links of America. And if you just went down
Speaker 1: the list of the golf courses, it's you know, it's
Speaker 1: a who's who of courses and uh in features and
Speaker 1: they have these different templates of holes that they've copied
Speaker 1: and we we've we know these household words like red,
Speaker 1: Dan h Eden bear, it's you know, it's just it's fun.
Speaker 1: And and to watch these players try and figure out
Speaker 1: ways to hit even just short shots and get them
Speaker 1: somehow close to the green. I'll tell you what Chicago
Speaker 1: Golf is that we got to go back there and
Speaker 1: play shanks. It's so good. And you that's the one thing,
Speaker 1: you know, I get a like, I'm sure you get
Speaker 1: these questions too, but you know, I'll post a picture
Speaker 1: on Instagram or talk about it on Twitter or something
Speaker 1: when we first get there, and the most questions I
Speaker 1: get are, you know, how was it? You know you
Speaker 1: got to play it? Blah blah blah. And I said,
Speaker 1: you know, we we really only play a media day
Speaker 1: at the US Open. You know, we don't our schedules
Speaker 1: so busy, we don't really have time to do that.
Speaker 1: And uh and those are the weeks where you walk
Speaker 1: off and you go, it's like six pm. Maybe we
Speaker 1: could sneak out on the back end of this championship
Speaker 1: and get eighteen holes in And I know, uh, I
Speaker 1: know you'd be there as well. I know you you
Speaker 1: you you tow the clubs out there as well. When
Speaker 1: we get a chance to go around those types of places.
Speaker 1: And you know, the schedule continues. You and I get
Speaker 1: to do the Junior am at Baltic for all this
Speaker 1: week and then and then we'll be at the Women's
Speaker 1: Am and then the US Amateur which is at Pebble.
Speaker 1: So the kind of our our great summer continues. And
Speaker 1: it's been a lot of a lot of fun. And uh,
Speaker 1: of course, you and I kind of getting a new
Speaker 1: opportunity to do this, teamed up with Joe and Paul
Speaker 1: on a lot of the championships has been a It's
Speaker 1: been a ton of fun. I know, I've really enjoyed it,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I I hope it continues because
Speaker 1: you know, I get to sit next to you and
Speaker 1: as much crap as I give you, it's been a
Speaker 1: ton of fun. Hey, I love being able to do
Speaker 1: There's nobody better in the business. It cares more than
Speaker 1: you do. So I hope this parent goes on for
Speaker 1: a long time. So I will see you. I will
Speaker 1: see you at Baltic Rawl in a few days. Open
Speaker 1: obviously starts on Thursday. You heard it from Brad Facts
Speaker 1: and he's picking Dustin Johnson. I haven't decided who I
Speaker 1: am picking yet. Uh. I think I'm gonna go with
Speaker 1: the European but I haven't decided that yet. I gotta
Speaker 1: figure it out. But Brad, I appreciate you taking the time.
Speaker 1: I know you gotta jump on a flight and I
Speaker 1: will see you. I will see you later this week.
Speaker 1: Thank you. It looks like I'm a wreck. A big
Speaker 1: thanks to Brad for jumping on. I know he's very
Speaker 1: busy as our summer continues to roll on. Will be
Speaker 1: at Baltic Raw at the US JR Ameter. If you
Speaker 1: see us out there, make sure you say hello. And
Speaker 1: the Open rolls through this weekend. We'll have a new
Speaker 1: major champion or a repeat major champion comes Sunday at Carnoustie.
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Speaker 1: enjoyed the pod. We'll be back next week as as
Speaker 1: kind of the summer of golf for rolls on for
Speaker 1: us that at Fox and FS one. The schedule lightens
Speaker 1: up a little bit after ball at this s raw
Speaker 1: and then we get into the amateurs, both the Women's
Speaker 1: and the US Amateur back to back, and then we're
Speaker 1: gonna broadcast the mid Amateur as well, and then I
Speaker 1: will lay in a prone position on my couch for
Speaker 1: basically all of the end of September. We'll be back
Speaker 1: next week. I hope you guys enjoy the Open. Hope
Speaker 1: you enjoyed the enjoy the US Junior Amateur, and we
Speaker 1: will chat with you and if you get a chance,
Speaker 1: play a little golf on Sunday afternoon after the Open
Speaker 1: ends and make a couple of birdies.