WEBVTT - MADONNA: For the First Time Ever 0:00:00.080 --> 0:00:02.200 If you don't have a spiritual life, you're never going 0:00:02.279 --> 0:00:04.280 to stop and ask any questions. You're just going to 0:00:04.320 --> 0:00:06.960 plow through life, and you're going to see everything that 0:00:07.040 --> 0:00:10.560 happens to you as just a random event. I don't 0:00:10.600 --> 0:00:13.560 believe that anything is random. I think everything that happens 0:00:13.600 --> 0:00:15.760 to us is meant to happen to us to teach 0:00:15.840 --> 0:00:17.000 us some kind of a lesson. 0:00:17.360 --> 0:00:20.000 Number one Health and Wellness podcast. 0:00:19.800 --> 0:00:28.840 Jay Shetty, Jay shettyly Madonad Welcome to On Purpose. I 0:00:28.880 --> 0:00:30.560 am so grateful to be here with you today. Thank 0:00:30.600 --> 0:00:32.880 you for the honor and the opportunity. 0:00:32.240 --> 0:00:33.440 And thank you for having me. 0:00:34.000 --> 0:00:36.200 I'm really really happy to be with you. After lots 0:00:36.240 --> 0:00:40.000 of FaceTime calls, yeah, and discussions about this conversation with. 0:00:40.080 --> 0:00:42.360 Fine definitely be in person. 0:00:42.400 --> 0:00:45.360 Absolutely absolutely, And I wanted to start off by asking 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:48.800 you don't do a lot of interviews. We don't see 0:00:48.840 --> 0:00:51.880 you doing interviews, maybe even for the last nine ten years, 0:00:51.880 --> 0:00:56.000 and give or take, what's your intention for being here today? 0:00:56.000 --> 0:00:57.120 Why now? Why today? 0:00:57.960 --> 0:01:00.440 Well, in the past I've usually done I used to 0:01:00.440 --> 0:01:06.520 promote my work, whether that's music or a tour or film. 0:01:06.600 --> 0:01:10.800 But today I would like to talk about my spiritual 0:01:10.840 --> 0:01:14.360 life and the spiritual path that I've been on for 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:20.200 over twenty eight years. This wisdom has helped me navigate 0:01:20.360 --> 0:01:25.480 them the ups and downs of life. For lack of 0:01:25.520 --> 0:01:29.840 a better expression, people ask me a lot through the years, 0:01:30.240 --> 0:01:32.720 like what is the reason you're still saying? What is 0:01:32.760 --> 0:01:36.080 the reason you keep going? Why have you not fallen 0:01:36.120 --> 0:01:39.600 by the wayside like other people. Definitely a lot of 0:01:39.640 --> 0:01:43.280 my peers who who are no longer with us like, 0:01:43.360 --> 0:01:46.360 what would you say is the key? And I would 0:01:46.360 --> 0:01:50.360 say that is my spiritual life. I absolutely would not 0:01:50.520 --> 0:01:53.200 be where I am or who I am if I 0:01:53.240 --> 0:01:57.920 did not have that. It's helped me enormously, as I said, 0:01:59.560 --> 0:02:03.600 navigate the ups and downs of life. So I feel 0:02:03.640 --> 0:02:06.840 like I would like to share that with people. So 0:02:06.880 --> 0:02:09.359 that's really the point of I'm not here to promote 0:02:10.120 --> 0:02:14.080 a product or I don't want anyone to buy anything. 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.840 I just I want to share something with people that 0:02:19.960 --> 0:02:23.320 has pretty much saved my life. It sounds dramatic, but 0:02:23.400 --> 0:02:24.040 it's true. 0:02:25.040 --> 0:02:27.760 Yeah, it seems like it's something that's extremely meaningful to 0:02:27.800 --> 0:02:30.600 you and a deep part of your life that often 0:02:31.240 --> 0:02:33.400 I feel you don't get to share in other spaces. 0:02:33.480 --> 0:02:35.320 So even though it's been a part of your life 0:02:35.320 --> 0:02:39.560 for nearly three decades, maybe you haven't shared parts of 0:02:39.600 --> 0:02:42.080 it before. What would you have life look like if 0:02:42.400 --> 0:02:43.399 you didn't find it. 0:02:44.080 --> 0:02:46.440 I would believe that the physical world is all there is. 0:02:47.200 --> 0:02:50.320 I would believe all the illusions, and that would be 0:02:50.360 --> 0:02:53.240 my downfall, and that is most people's downfall. 0:02:53.840 --> 0:02:55.760 What does spirituality mean to you? Because I think that 0:02:55.800 --> 0:02:58.040 word itself means so many things to so many people. 0:02:58.200 --> 0:03:01.079 Yes, I mean a spiritual life, A spiritual path could 0:03:01.280 --> 0:03:05.520 could be mean a lot of things. I know that 0:03:05.600 --> 0:03:09.120 you have a spiritual path, and for me, it's not 0:03:09.280 --> 0:03:12.480 really about like who's is the best or you know, 0:03:12.560 --> 0:03:16.120 it's whatever works for you. I've been studying Kabbala for 0:03:16.840 --> 0:03:22.880 twenty nine years, so since nineteen ninety six. Yeah, it's 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:23.520 a long time. 0:03:23.639 --> 0:03:25.480 It's a long time, and. 0:03:25.480 --> 0:03:28.720 I'm not a frivolous person. I don't suffer fools gladly. 0:03:29.160 --> 0:03:32.400 If something if I think there's something false about it 0:03:32.520 --> 0:03:38.560 or corrupt or not authentic, I wouldn't have stuck around 0:03:38.600 --> 0:03:41.680 for so long. I've had the same teacher for all 0:03:41.720 --> 0:03:47.200 this time. I feel like, almost like it's my responsibility 0:03:47.240 --> 0:03:49.840 to share with people because I feel like, I feel 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:55.160 like people need guidance, people need enlightenment, And for me, 0:03:55.440 --> 0:04:00.080 a spiritual life is having an internal life because you 0:04:00.120 --> 0:04:04.160 know this, I'm sure you know. If we get caught 0:04:04.240 --> 0:04:09.320 up in the belief system that our value in the 0:04:09.360 --> 0:04:13.120 world is based on people loving us or other people's 0:04:13.160 --> 0:04:16.440 approval or how much money you have, or how many 0:04:16.480 --> 0:04:19.039 fabulous outfits you have or how many follows you have 0:04:19.120 --> 0:04:23.000 on Instagram, those things don't make us happy. Those things 0:04:23.040 --> 0:04:27.120 don't bring us peace. So having an internal life and 0:04:27.160 --> 0:04:30.320 being able to look internally and having some kind of 0:04:30.360 --> 0:04:34.479 practice whatever that might look like your prayer, your meditations, 0:04:34.880 --> 0:04:38.359 that the time you take out of every day to 0:04:38.400 --> 0:04:43.440 stop and take stock, like contemplate, we live in a 0:04:43.560 --> 0:04:47.840 very busy, chaotic world, lots of noise, lots of distraction. 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:51.320 I mean, how many times have you heard people say, oh, 0:04:51.400 --> 0:04:54.360 you know, social media and like all the you know, 0:04:54.520 --> 0:04:56.799 people can't walk down the street without listening to music. 0:04:57.839 --> 0:05:00.480 Everybody has to be visually stimulated all the time. I'm like, 0:05:00.680 --> 0:05:04.720 there's no peace, there's no quiet. We're not comfortable being 0:05:04.839 --> 0:05:11.400 quiet with ourselves and looking inward and asking ourselves why 0:05:11.440 --> 0:05:13.760 am I here or what am I doing? Or what 0:05:13.839 --> 0:05:17.200 is my intention in this specific choice I'm making right now, 0:05:17.520 --> 0:05:20.320 whether it's about my work or the way I'm raising 0:05:20.320 --> 0:05:24.720 my children, decisions that I make about everything, Really, I 0:05:24.760 --> 0:05:27.400 have to ask myself. And if you don't have a 0:05:27.400 --> 0:05:30.320 spiritual life, you're never going to stop and ask any questions. 0:05:30.360 --> 0:05:32.880 You're just going to plow through life. And if you 0:05:33.080 --> 0:05:36.120 just and you're going to see everything that happens to 0:05:36.120 --> 0:05:40.360 you as just a random event. And I don't believe 0:05:40.360 --> 0:05:43.080 that anything is random. I think everything that happens to 0:05:43.200 --> 0:05:46.320 us is meant to happen to us to teach us 0:05:46.320 --> 0:05:49.479 some kind of a lesson. But the question is are 0:05:49.520 --> 0:05:53.480 you aware enough, are you awake enough? Are you interested 0:05:53.720 --> 0:05:57.560 enough to find out what that reason is? 0:05:57.600 --> 0:05:57.720 Like? 0:05:57.880 --> 0:05:59.960 Why did this happen to me? What is my lesson? 0:06:00.680 --> 0:06:04.120 I don't want to go through life seeing everything that 0:06:04.160 --> 0:06:06.120 happens to me is random. But I also don't want 0:06:06.160 --> 0:06:08.920 to go through life as a victim. And I've had 0:06:08.960 --> 0:06:12.400 a pretty challenging life, and it's easy to fall into 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:14.640 the trap of feeling sorry for yourself or like being 0:06:14.680 --> 0:06:18.400 a victim, or you know, why isn't this happening to 0:06:18.440 --> 0:06:20.560 other people? Why is it happening to me, why don't 0:06:20.560 --> 0:06:23.080 I have what that person has. I'm sure you know 0:06:23.200 --> 0:06:26.080 the expression comparison is the killer of joy, So you know, 0:06:26.120 --> 0:06:29.000 it's like, you got to get out of that game. 0:06:29.040 --> 0:06:32.159 You have to have a spiritual life. You just have to. 0:06:32.800 --> 0:06:37.640 You're reminding me of something beautiful that I came across 0:06:37.680 --> 0:06:41.240 called the third space theory. Have you heard of it. 0:06:41.240 --> 0:06:45.280 It's this idea that as humans around fifty years ago, 0:06:45.320 --> 0:06:48.919 we had three spaces. So we had work, we had home, 0:06:49.440 --> 0:06:52.200 and then you had a temple, a synagogue, a church, 0:06:52.640 --> 0:06:56.440 a community center, or a third space. And the point 0:06:56.440 --> 0:06:59.000 of that third space, it's kind of what you're saying, 0:06:59.520 --> 0:07:02.600 was a place that you could look back at work 0:07:02.640 --> 0:07:04.760 and home and you could reflect on your life, you 0:07:04.760 --> 0:07:08.520 could take stock, you could introspect. But as time's gone on, 0:07:08.600 --> 0:07:11.760 what's happened is we lost that third space. We stopped 0:07:11.760 --> 0:07:16.080 going to temple, church, community, whatever place of self reflection, 0:07:16.080 --> 0:07:18.880 a place of self reflection, and we ended up with 0:07:18.960 --> 0:07:22.400 working home, and then after the pandemic, we lost work, 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:26.160 and so now we're in one space and we don't 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.520 have a different advantage point to where we are anymore, 0:07:29.560 --> 0:07:31.040 which is what I think you're saying. 0:07:30.960 --> 0:07:33.680 Go back on even one more step. That to me 0:07:33.800 --> 0:07:36.760 is like a prison. Get if you get, if you 0:07:36.840 --> 0:07:41.640 remove the spiritual life, spiritual practice, you remove the workplace, 0:07:42.000 --> 0:07:45.360 then you're in the home, and then removed once more 0:07:45.400 --> 0:07:50.240 from home. Is you're looking at your phone, which is 0:07:50.400 --> 0:07:51.920 even takes you out of home. 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:52.600 It's a great point. 0:07:52.680 --> 0:07:55.800 Yeah, so where are you aware? 0:07:55.840 --> 0:07:58.240 You're living in the virtual world. Yeah, we're living in 0:07:58.240 --> 0:08:00.200 the virtual world, not even in the material world. 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:02.360 Yes, but in virtual and a virtual world is not 0:08:02.400 --> 0:08:04.520 a bad world. But if you don't have consciousness, there's 0:08:05.200 --> 0:08:06.960 really no point to living. 0:08:07.400 --> 0:08:10.160 Yeah, it's yeah. So it's interesting to think about that 0:08:10.240 --> 0:08:13.400 because I feel like everyone can relate to the idea 0:08:13.520 --> 0:08:18.600 that if we all had we need physical spaces to 0:08:18.760 --> 0:08:21.040 sometimes make us do internal things. 0:08:21.080 --> 0:08:24.800 Yes, I mean some kind of ritualistic behavior has to happen. 0:08:25.080 --> 0:08:27.640 What have been your rituals? I'm intrigued what I'm curious? 0:08:27.680 --> 0:08:31.400 What are your spiritual practices and rituals that have been 0:08:31.520 --> 0:08:36.360 so supportive and emblematic of your journey, that have kept 0:08:36.400 --> 0:08:38.280 you going at the times. As you said, there were 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.080 so many times you could give up, or things could 0:08:41.120 --> 0:08:43.960 go wrong, or you kept pushing and they kept you locked? 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:46.120 What were they? What are they? Well? 0:08:46.160 --> 0:08:50.360 One really important thing is studying, making time every week 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:54.600 to sit down and study. I mean, you can study 0:08:56.400 --> 0:09:01.560 the Bible, you can study the poetry of Cahil Gibran, 0:09:01.840 --> 0:09:05.160 or you can study the Vedas you you know. 0:09:05.200 --> 0:09:07.680 And you did that right. You actually studied different traditions. 0:09:07.679 --> 0:09:10.760 And I mean, to be honest, before I discovered Kabbala, 0:09:10.920 --> 0:09:12.840 I was looking for answers. 0:09:13.320 --> 0:09:15.480 And why do you think that was? Why were you 0:09:15.520 --> 0:09:16.480 looking for answers? 0:09:16.720 --> 0:09:22.120 Because I had everything that people would assume would give 0:09:22.160 --> 0:09:27.880 you happiness. I had successful career, I had fame, fortune, 0:09:28.600 --> 0:09:35.360 monetary things, physical things. But I wasn't happy, and I 0:09:35.480 --> 0:09:39.200 naturally sought out well. When I was a dancer, I 0:09:39.240 --> 0:09:42.880 had a roommate. She was a Buddhist and she would 0:09:42.960 --> 0:09:46.360 get up and chant every day, and so I was 0:09:46.480 --> 0:09:49.800 very intrigued by that, Like nothing bothered her, you know 0:09:49.840 --> 0:09:55.120 what I mean, Everything bothers me, Everything bothers me. I'm 0:09:55.240 --> 0:09:59.960 you know, I'm a Leo, I'm Italian. I'm very dramatic. 0:10:01.679 --> 0:10:03.880 I wouldn't say she was peaceful all the time, but 0:10:03.920 --> 0:10:08.720 I was just struck by her confidence and her knowingness 0:10:08.720 --> 0:10:12.000 that everything was happening for a reason. She never got 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:14.120 upset about things. And this is in the beginning of 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:16.240 my career when I was living in New York and 0:10:16.280 --> 0:10:19.760 I was broke and a lot of crazy things happened 0:10:19.760 --> 0:10:23.520 to me. It's really scary, traumatic things. And I would 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:25.600 always ask her her name is Marianne. I would always 0:10:25.600 --> 0:10:29.440 say what, like why are you like never upset? So 0:10:29.480 --> 0:10:31.959 I attributed that to her spiritual life, but it didn't 0:10:32.000 --> 0:10:35.280 speak to me. And then later on I started practicing 0:10:35.480 --> 0:10:40.199 yoga Ashtanga yoga and my teacher, Eddie Stern, he still 0:10:40.240 --> 0:10:44.880 has a you know Eddie, Yeah, he's amazing. I got 0:10:44.960 --> 0:10:48.360 quite caught up in and competitive about like first series, 0:10:48.400 --> 0:10:51.280 second series, third series. But one thing I noticed is 0:10:51.280 --> 0:10:54.000 that a lot of people would come into his practice, 0:10:54.080 --> 0:10:57.040 his studio where he taught, and they wouldn't even do 0:10:57.160 --> 0:10:59.120 the posts. They would just go and sit in front 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:03.040 of the statue of ganesh or light candles or prayer. 0:11:03.640 --> 0:11:06.240 And I realized, and Eddie pointed it out to me 0:11:06.280 --> 0:11:09.080 because sometimes I would have injuries, I would or I 0:11:09.080 --> 0:11:11.559 would be traveling and I couldn't practice yoga, and he say, 0:11:11.640 --> 0:11:14.840 look are you breathing, And I'd say yes, and he said, 0:11:14.880 --> 0:11:19.079 you're practicing yoga. So I realized that I was too, still, 0:11:19.880 --> 0:11:23.560 too caught up in the physical poses. He's like, no, 0:11:23.600 --> 0:11:27.960 you don't understand. You're missing the whole point. The poses 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:32.800 are just something that you do to breathe through, to 0:11:33.280 --> 0:11:37.240 calm your nervous system down and to bring you back 0:11:37.280 --> 0:11:40.360 to your center. And that really spoke to me. There 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:43.400 was a big now it was a painting on the 0:11:43.400 --> 0:11:46.160 wall of the yoga studio. It says desire and detachment. 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:49.680 And I said, what does that mean? And he said, well, 0:11:50.440 --> 0:11:53.400 of course we want. We want all the beautiful things 0:11:53.400 --> 0:11:55.160 in life. We want all the pleasures, we want, all 0:11:55.200 --> 0:11:57.480 the happiness, we want every we want it all. There's 0:11:57.480 --> 0:11:59.760 nothing wrong with that which can't be attached to it, 0:12:00.040 --> 0:12:02.319 because then if you're attached to it and you don't 0:12:02.320 --> 0:12:05.240 have it, what's going to happen to you? So I 0:12:05.280 --> 0:12:07.720 studied that for a while, and I studied Sanskrit. I 0:12:07.720 --> 0:12:11.040 had a teacher, and you know, I learned that the 0:12:11.120 --> 0:12:15.680 vibrations of the letters, you know, had a calming effect 0:12:15.720 --> 0:12:19.440 on your nervous system and centered you and placed you 0:12:19.760 --> 0:12:22.240 firmly rooted in the earth. And all of that made 0:12:22.240 --> 0:12:25.800 sense to me. But then again, nothing happens by accident. 0:12:26.120 --> 0:12:30.640 But I was pregnant with my daughter, Lola, my oldest daughter, 0:12:30.920 --> 0:12:34.240 and I suddenly realized I was living in la I 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.720 suddenly realized, I'm going to be responsible for an other 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:42.080 human being. What am I going to teach her? I'm 0:12:42.120 --> 0:12:46.480 just I'm like a meteor like making my way through 0:12:46.520 --> 0:12:49.920 the you know, the on this planet. Like you know, 0:12:50.080 --> 0:12:54.520 I have great survival instincts, I have a great work ethic. Yes, 0:12:54.600 --> 0:12:59.040 I'm very ambitious all of those things. But I was 0:12:59.040 --> 0:13:02.040 never like I was just knocking him down, you know 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.920 what I mean, and not like looking back like I'm 0:13:04.960 --> 0:13:07.640 going to be somebody, because that's you know, that's why 0:13:07.720 --> 0:13:09.080 I came to New York in the first place. I 0:13:09.080 --> 0:13:12.480 will never go back to the nobody life I had 0:13:12.559 --> 0:13:19.400 when I was a child growing up. So I definitely 0:13:19.600 --> 0:13:25.600 was fueled by an inner drive, but I would not 0:13:25.679 --> 0:13:29.680 say that I was spiritual or conscious. When I was pregnant, 0:13:29.800 --> 0:13:34.960 I suddenly realized I knew nothing and I was a 0:13:35.120 --> 0:13:40.360 slave or a victim of other people's opinions of me. 0:13:41.200 --> 0:13:44.600 And I didn't have really even though it looks like 0:13:45.120 --> 0:13:54.200 and looked like I was confident, brave, audacious, whatever you know, I, 0:13:54.240 --> 0:13:55.400 deep down inside it was not. 0:13:56.440 --> 0:13:56.520 So. 0:13:57.520 --> 0:13:58.559 I was at a dinner. 0:13:58.320 --> 0:13:59.840 Party while you were pregnant. 0:14:00.080 --> 0:14:02.080 Yeah, I was at a dinner party at my friends 0:14:02.440 --> 0:14:04.840 in La and there was a woman sitting next to 0:14:04.880 --> 0:14:10.600 me and I knew her vaguely. She's a costume designer. 0:14:10.640 --> 0:14:13.480 She was a costume designer. Her husband's a director. And 0:14:14.040 --> 0:14:17.400 she said, oh, you should come with me to class. 0:14:18.480 --> 0:14:22.680 And I said, what class. I'm open to classes, by 0:14:22.680 --> 0:14:24.840 the way, I love being a student. So what's the 0:14:24.880 --> 0:14:29.120 class all about. She said, there's a teacher there. It's 0:14:29.240 --> 0:14:34.760 something called Kabbala. It's next to a synagogue. And I 0:14:34.800 --> 0:14:37.960 was like, wait, so he's Jewish and she said yeah, 0:14:38.000 --> 0:14:39.880 but it doesn't have anything to do with being Jewish. 0:14:40.080 --> 0:14:43.680 It's just a belief system, not a belief system, like 0:14:43.720 --> 0:14:47.120 a philosophy about life that you know, you could learn 0:14:47.160 --> 0:14:50.320 a lot from. And I said, okay, I'll go. So 0:14:50.360 --> 0:14:52.800 I did, and that's how I met my teacher. And 0:14:52.840 --> 0:14:56.080 I literally would sit in the back of class for years. 0:14:57.120 --> 0:14:59.480 Mostly men were in the class at the time. It was, 0:15:00.760 --> 0:15:03.320 but everything that he said seemed to make so much 0:15:03.360 --> 0:15:08.480 sense to me and gave me courage to be who 0:15:08.520 --> 0:15:11.240 I am and who I meant to be, and made 0:15:11.240 --> 0:15:16.160 me actually think about intention and a real sense of purpose, 0:15:17.120 --> 0:15:19.480 because my sense of purpose can't just be I want 0:15:19.480 --> 0:15:22.240 to be rich and famous, or I want to be popular, 0:15:22.360 --> 0:15:24.640 or I want to sell a lot of records, because 0:15:24.840 --> 0:15:27.800 none of that lasts. But it wasn't until I went 0:15:27.840 --> 0:15:29.960 to class that I actually started thinking about those things. 0:15:30.000 --> 0:15:34.200 So I just kept going and here I am today. 0:15:34.920 --> 0:15:37.960 But you know, motherhood are being a parent is really 0:15:38.000 --> 0:15:43.040 what made me start asking questions that I most likely 0:15:43.080 --> 0:15:45.600 I should have asked them sooner, but I didn't because 0:15:45.640 --> 0:15:48.840 I was just caught up in my self. 0:15:49.880 --> 0:15:51.760 I love that story for so many reasons, one of 0:15:51.800 --> 0:15:56.000 them being that my journey to my spirituality had certain 0:15:56.120 --> 0:15:59.200 similarities in that. Not that I was pregnant, so definitely 0:15:59.200 --> 0:16:02.840 not that one. But I had a friend and friends 0:16:02.880 --> 0:16:07.600 who were starting to get interested in spirituality, and they 0:16:07.640 --> 0:16:10.400 invited me to hear a monk speak. And I'd seen 0:16:10.400 --> 0:16:12.520 monks while I was growing up, but i'd never really 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:17.240 engaged with one or really understood what they did or meant. 0:16:17.520 --> 0:16:20.240 And I'm so glad I said yes to going along. 0:16:20.480 --> 0:16:23.000 And I was very young. I was eighteen nineteen years old. 0:16:23.320 --> 0:16:27.240 I wasn't even seeking. I was open and I was curious, right, 0:16:28.120 --> 0:16:30.520 And to be honest, I was doing what everyone else 0:16:30.600 --> 0:16:32.440 was doing at that time when you're eighteen nineteen year 0:16:32.440 --> 0:16:35.720 old kid like you experimenting, experimenting and doing everything else 0:16:35.800 --> 0:16:38.880 under the sun. But I'm so glad I went because now, 0:16:38.920 --> 0:16:42.840 looking back, I find that after meeting the monks that 0:16:42.920 --> 0:16:46.360 I met, it gave my life a compass at a 0:16:46.480 --> 0:16:50.360 very early age that I'm so grateful for because it 0:16:50.440 --> 0:16:53.320 changed the entire trajectory of my life. I can't imagine 0:16:53.320 --> 0:16:55.200 what I would have ended up doing in the same 0:16:55.240 --> 0:16:56.920 way as you did. And it sounds dramatic, but it's 0:16:56.960 --> 0:17:01.320 true that without the group of friends that invited me 0:17:01.360 --> 0:17:04.920 to go along and meet my teachers who would become 0:17:04.920 --> 0:17:08.320 my future teachers, I can't imagine what life could be like. 0:17:08.560 --> 0:17:11.359 And are those teachers still your teachers? 0:17:11.440 --> 0:17:14.480 Yes? Absolutely, still since that time, so it's been nearly 0:17:14.480 --> 0:17:17.400 twenty years now. That's meaningful, yeah, very meaningful. 0:17:17.760 --> 0:17:22.640 And are your friends that came with you still also studying. 0:17:22.280 --> 0:17:24.520 Or one of those one of those yes? Absolutely. One 0:17:24.560 --> 0:17:26.439 of those friends was my best man at my wedding 0:17:27.040 --> 0:17:28.840 and he studies under the same teachers. 0:17:29.480 --> 0:17:31.760 That's cool. Yeah, what about the woman who took me 0:17:31.800 --> 0:17:35.639 to class? No, okay, no, sho stick with it. 0:17:36.200 --> 0:17:38.080 Are you still there at all or not? Yes? 0:17:38.119 --> 0:17:38.880 I am sometimes. 0:17:39.000 --> 0:17:43.520 Yeah. It's amazing to hear that you had this ambition 0:17:43.640 --> 0:17:46.800 and this drive to become successful and at the same 0:17:46.880 --> 0:17:50.760 time there was this spiritual calling. Yes, that was almost 0:17:50.800 --> 0:17:56.439 happening simultaneously. How did you reconcile the two when to 0:17:56.520 --> 0:17:59.680 the external lie they could look very opposite. How did 0:17:59.720 --> 0:18:01.240 you actually right look weird? 0:18:01.320 --> 0:18:02.920 You mean, not weird in. 0:18:02.880 --> 0:18:04.679 The sense of I think a lot of people assume 0:18:04.720 --> 0:18:07.320 that spirituality and success don't go together. A lot of 0:18:07.320 --> 0:18:07.960 people would. 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:10.640 Think that's absurd. Those are narrow minded people. I mean, 0:18:11.720 --> 0:18:16.840 you need to be spiritual to be successful. Success is 0:18:16.880 --> 0:18:20.240 having a spiritual life period. It's interesting because I had 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:25.639 this boyfriend some time ago, and after we broke up, 0:18:25.640 --> 0:18:28.400 we saw each other years later, and I was telling 0:18:28.480 --> 0:18:30.199 him about Cabal. He's like, oh, yeah, that makes a 0:18:30.200 --> 0:18:32.280 lot of sense because you grew up as a Catholic. 0:18:32.720 --> 0:18:36.679 I know how religious your mother was. And I was like, no, no, 0:18:37.080 --> 0:18:38.760 that's not what it is at all. It's got nothing 0:18:38.800 --> 0:18:43.280 to do with religion. Everybody has to find the path 0:18:43.359 --> 0:18:47.520 that speaks to them and resonates with them. But I 0:18:47.560 --> 0:18:50.840 do think it's important to have one. And I dare 0:18:50.880 --> 0:18:53.160 say if you didn't have a spiritual path, you wouldn't 0:18:53.200 --> 0:18:56.480 be as successful as you are today. I will make 0:18:56.520 --> 0:19:01.000 that assumption in your work, in your marriage, in your friendships, 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:04.399 all your relationships. It honestly, it sounds like a really 0:19:04.520 --> 0:19:07.680 like a cliche your spiritual life. Even I was like 0:19:08.240 --> 0:19:12.800 the reason, but it's just got a bad rap. You know, you, 0:19:12.920 --> 0:19:15.600 like one hundred percent can have a spiritual life and 0:19:15.600 --> 0:19:18.720 be successful. I wouldn't be here if I didn't have one. 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:21.320 Let's talk about how your spiritual life has impacted your 0:19:21.320 --> 0:19:23.920 different roles, because you played so many roles in life, 0:19:24.400 --> 0:19:28.359 and let's start with artists, because that's what the majority 0:19:28.359 --> 0:19:30.320 of our viewers and our audience will connect with you 0:19:30.400 --> 0:19:34.720 on your spiritual life has directly impacted your art. When 0:19:34.760 --> 0:19:39.240 did you feel it was first introduced to your art? 0:19:39.359 --> 0:19:42.040 How was it introduced? How would you use it to 0:19:42.080 --> 0:19:43.120 inspire your art? 0:19:43.480 --> 0:19:45.399 About a year after I started studying, I made my 0:19:45.520 --> 0:19:49.159 Ray of Light album and that is one hundred percent 0:19:49.280 --> 0:19:53.760 influenced by my study with spiritual practice, like a door 0:19:53.840 --> 0:19:58.639 opened for me and I certainly and maybe I was 0:19:59.440 --> 0:20:03.959 spiritual without knowing it unconsciously. But and some things happened. 0:20:04.160 --> 0:20:07.120 I mean often things would happen where I would have 0:20:07.359 --> 0:20:11.880 visions or I would get ideas and I would manifest them. 0:20:11.920 --> 0:20:15.000 And if you're too busy to sit for a moment 0:20:15.040 --> 0:20:18.720 and think, Wow, that's so amazing what just happened? I 0:20:18.840 --> 0:20:22.040 channeled that, Like you don't actually know that you're tapping 0:20:22.040 --> 0:20:25.400 into another dimension until you start paying attention to the other, 0:20:25.880 --> 0:20:28.720 to the idea that there is more to life than 0:20:29.200 --> 0:20:31.520 you and I sitting in this room on a chair, 0:20:31.760 --> 0:20:35.120 Like if you believe in energy, and you believe in 0:20:35.200 --> 0:20:38.439 universal laws, and you believe in quantum physics, like the 0:20:38.480 --> 0:20:43.879 possibilities are endless, and miracles, the idea of miracles is 0:20:44.560 --> 0:20:47.840 not a foreign concept. It's not a lucky strike, you 0:20:47.880 --> 0:20:51.399 know what I mean. It definitely affected my work. I 0:20:51.440 --> 0:20:55.119 became conscious of the fact that I was and am 0:20:56.000 --> 0:21:00.320 I am channeling, Like that's what I'm doing. I don't 0:21:00.359 --> 0:21:04.200 own it. It's not mine. I am a vessel for it. 0:21:04.359 --> 0:21:09.080 I'm a vessel for this light, which in turn, my 0:21:09.200 --> 0:21:11.560 goal is to share with other people now that I 0:21:11.560 --> 0:21:14.520 can do that through my work. I can do that 0:21:14.600 --> 0:21:19.760 through my music, I can do that through my relationships 0:21:19.800 --> 0:21:23.000 with people. I can do that as a friend, I 0:21:23.040 --> 0:21:26.080 can do that as a mother, as a parent. So 0:21:26.160 --> 0:21:28.840 you realize that it can. It informs every part of 0:21:28.880 --> 0:21:31.879 your life. But the one really important thing, well, one 0:21:31.960 --> 0:21:34.320 of the many important things that my teacher taught me 0:21:34.520 --> 0:21:37.359 was that I am not the owner of my talent. 0:21:37.560 --> 0:21:40.199 I am the manager. As long as you keep that 0:21:40.280 --> 0:21:45.040 consciousness and you're aware like people who run to say 0:21:45.480 --> 0:21:49.879 I did that, that was my idea. I mean, you 0:21:50.080 --> 0:21:53.840 created an opportunity for yourself by allowing yourself to be 0:21:53.960 --> 0:21:59.919 a vessel for this. Call it what you like magic. 0:22:01.080 --> 0:22:04.360 I think it's magic. I think when you channel artistic 0:22:04.440 --> 0:22:07.760 ideas and you have creative visions, it's magic. And when 0:22:07.760 --> 0:22:11.359 you think it overthink it, or you start thinking about 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.640 how much of that you own, you stop it. That's 0:22:15.640 --> 0:22:18.159 why a lot of I would say, this is my 0:22:18.320 --> 0:22:21.280 observation that a lot of people have these great kind 0:22:21.359 --> 0:22:28.760 of meteoric careers and they rise up and they take 0:22:28.800 --> 0:22:32.680 the world by storm, and they influence the masses, and 0:22:32.800 --> 0:22:36.080 they and then they just something happens and they can't 0:22:36.119 --> 0:22:39.040 handle the light and they're not even aware of it, 0:22:39.960 --> 0:22:43.680 and in a way they fly too close to the 0:22:43.760 --> 0:22:48.600 light and it burns them. Yeah, and I would say 0:22:48.680 --> 0:22:52.600 that's really true about many of my peers that I had. 0:22:52.880 --> 0:22:57.119 I was lucky enough to know them, whether that's Prince 0:22:57.200 --> 0:23:02.520 or Michael Jackson or Jean michelle boskiat the painter like 0:23:02.680 --> 0:23:08.520 the these are like people who had just were channeling, channeling, 0:23:09.280 --> 0:23:12.560 But I also don't think they understood like the concept 0:23:12.600 --> 0:23:15.800 of their their what they were channeling, and that you know, 0:23:15.840 --> 0:23:19.160 there has to be some kind of restriction. There has 0:23:19.240 --> 0:23:21.440 to be some kind of filament. There has to be, 0:23:22.480 --> 0:23:25.640 you know, like people like to take drugs, right why 0:23:25.680 --> 0:23:30.080 because it makes they're they're actually channeling light where there 0:23:31.200 --> 0:23:36.480 you know, tripping on acid, but it's light with no restriction, 0:23:36.720 --> 0:23:40.600 and then that's what kills you or burns you out 0:23:40.640 --> 0:23:44.320 to the light. No, no, no, thank God. 0:23:44.359 --> 0:23:47.520 Because everybody was when everyone else was doing. 0:23:48.240 --> 0:23:52.800 The universe God, Honestly, people ask me that all the 0:23:52.800 --> 0:23:56.320 time because I grew up when I came to New York, 0:23:56.600 --> 0:24:00.159 when I was broke and I had no friends, know 0:24:00.200 --> 0:24:05.840 where to live, no nothing, Really what protected me from 0:24:06.640 --> 0:24:09.800 you know I was held a bit gunpoint, I was robbed, 0:24:10.400 --> 0:24:14.800 like I was raped. I like, always horrendous things up 0:24:14.880 --> 0:24:17.159 to me, But I just feel like I've always had 0:24:17.200 --> 0:24:19.280 a guardian angel. It just it took me a minute 0:24:19.280 --> 0:24:23.679 to figure out that how blessed I was and that 0:24:24.520 --> 0:24:28.600 the universe was protecting me and looking out for me. 0:24:28.920 --> 0:24:31.200 Was that a realization that came after because I mean 0:24:31.560 --> 0:24:34.160 when you talk, well, when you talk about the events 0:24:34.200 --> 0:24:37.160 of I mean getting raped, being held at gunpoint, these 0:24:37.160 --> 0:24:42.480 are extremely traumatic, stressful, I mean the most extreme tragic 0:24:42.560 --> 0:24:47.800 events people could go through in their life. The realization 0:24:47.880 --> 0:24:51.000 you're sharing today, How long talk to me about the 0:24:51.080 --> 0:24:53.840 journey of having that experience and then getting to the 0:24:53.880 --> 0:24:58.320 realization you just mentioned, because I'm assuming it's not immediate 0:24:58.640 --> 0:24:59.120 and no. 0:25:00.760 --> 0:25:05.119 Through that first there was just my determination that I 0:25:05.160 --> 0:25:08.400 think I was so I had such an unhappy childhood 0:25:08.400 --> 0:25:12.000 that whatever happened to me in New York City, I 0:25:12.119 --> 0:25:14.800 was like, whatever happens to me is better than what 0:25:15.520 --> 0:25:19.000 my life was. So I'm gonna I'm sticking around. I'm 0:25:19.040 --> 0:25:22.080 not going back. But you see, the worst things that 0:25:22.160 --> 0:25:23.920 happened to you are the best things that happened to you. 0:25:24.040 --> 0:25:27.679 Because if that had if my childhood hadn't been what 0:25:27.800 --> 0:25:30.280 it had been, if I had lost my mother, if 0:25:30.280 --> 0:25:32.760 I hadn't had all of these challenges as a child, 0:25:32.880 --> 0:25:35.240 I would have thought of my home as a place 0:25:35.280 --> 0:25:39.359 of comfort and I would have gone back. But I didn't. 0:25:39.480 --> 0:25:43.040 So that's what kept me going. And then you know, 0:25:43.600 --> 0:25:46.679 there are challenges in my career though. Even though I 0:25:46.760 --> 0:25:49.360 was very successful, I went through many periods of time 0:25:49.400 --> 0:25:52.680 where the press was beeeding up on me. I was demonized. 0:25:53.160 --> 0:25:56.199 What kept me going? I don't I don't know, like 0:25:56.240 --> 0:25:59.080 I said Guardian Angels, But again I wasn't conscious of 0:25:59.119 --> 0:26:03.000 it until I was pregnant. Then I start to see, 0:26:03.119 --> 0:26:05.800 like everything started to like come into focus for me. 0:26:06.800 --> 0:26:09.000 But it's not. I make it sound like it's an 0:26:09.040 --> 0:26:13.199 easy thing, like studying, Like the more you know, the 0:26:13.280 --> 0:26:17.480 harder everything is, and the more enlightened you try to become, 0:26:17.960 --> 0:26:20.880 the more conscious you try to become, the more tests 0:26:20.960 --> 0:26:24.840 you have, the more you know. It's like why, Like 0:26:25.520 --> 0:26:27.639 the more you know, the more you realize you don't know, 0:26:28.280 --> 0:26:32.520 and the more you aspire to be conscious, the more 0:26:32.560 --> 0:26:36.239 you feel like everyone's trying to drag you down and 0:26:36.280 --> 0:26:38.800 take you out of it and convince you that it's 0:26:38.840 --> 0:26:43.119 not true or you know the tests, Yeah, and you 0:26:43.160 --> 0:26:45.280 know life is a test, let's face it. 0:26:45.760 --> 0:26:46.000 Yeah. 0:26:46.160 --> 0:26:49.239 I was thinking about, as you were saying that a 0:26:49.240 --> 0:26:55.440 bit earlier, of managing that balance between recognizing you are 0:26:55.480 --> 0:26:58.639 a manager of the light and you are not the 0:26:58.720 --> 0:27:03.159 light itself. I was thinking of this story about Marcus 0:27:03.240 --> 0:27:07.159 Aurelius where he was followed around the Roman town square 0:27:07.160 --> 0:27:10.720 by an assistant, and the assistant's only job was to 0:27:10.760 --> 0:27:13.800 whisper in his ear, You're just a man, You're just 0:27:13.840 --> 0:27:16.679 a man, because people would praise him, and people would 0:27:16.880 --> 0:27:21.080 shower him with accolades and compliments, and the assistant would 0:27:21.080 --> 0:27:22.919 remind him. And it said that that was done so 0:27:22.960 --> 0:27:26.399 that he could always remain grounded. I can imagine for 0:27:26.520 --> 0:27:29.440 you to not fall into the trap of believing you're 0:27:29.480 --> 0:27:34.320 the light is extremely difficult when you're one of the 0:27:34.320 --> 0:27:37.960 best selling artists of all time, when, like you said, 0:27:38.280 --> 0:27:43.200 you name the company, there's only the Beatles, yourself, Michael Jackson, 0:27:43.240 --> 0:27:48.000 that sit in this esteemed group of individuals who've achieved 0:27:48.119 --> 0:27:52.960 incredible things. How did you hold on to that beautiful 0:27:53.000 --> 0:27:54.760 belief that you're not the light and your manager of 0:27:54.800 --> 0:27:58.960 the light when anyone else could easily believe they were. 0:28:00.080 --> 0:28:04.120 By continuing to have a spiritual practice spiritual life, by 0:28:04.160 --> 0:28:10.760 continuing to study like always pulls you back two center. 0:28:11.320 --> 0:28:12.720 Were you able to keep it up when you were 0:28:12.720 --> 0:28:16.400 like on tour or when you're building you albums? Wow? 0:28:16.600 --> 0:28:20.000 Everyone crazy? My manager's like, why can't we have shows 0:28:20.040 --> 0:28:22.560 on this night? Or why are you late? Because I'm 0:28:22.600 --> 0:28:24.600 because I'm praying? Like what you know what I mean? 0:28:24.680 --> 0:28:26.320 Like, would you. 0:28:26.280 --> 0:28:30.200 People who are only focused on absolutely pray before every show, 0:28:30.240 --> 0:28:36.240 But people are focused on making money are definitely not 0:28:36.320 --> 0:28:39.160 focused on spiritual life. You have to have your feet 0:28:39.200 --> 0:28:39.880 in both worlds. 0:28:40.880 --> 0:28:44.360 And I literally wouldn't do a show on a day 0:28:44.440 --> 0:28:46.400 because that that was your study day. 0:28:46.880 --> 0:28:52.480 Yeah, or I would be late. Yeah, I get a 0:28:52.520 --> 0:28:53.520 lot of shit for being late. 0:28:53.960 --> 0:28:54.640 Walk me through. 0:28:54.800 --> 0:28:58.480 Honestly, it's really hard to balance being a parent, having work, 0:28:58.640 --> 0:29:02.240 having a spiritual life. You're you're constantly juggling. You know, 0:29:02.280 --> 0:29:04.560 there's it's not there's not a lot of time to rest. 0:29:05.480 --> 0:29:08.640 And if people don't recognize that, then they're just going 0:29:08.720 --> 0:29:11.080 to look at you in a very one percent, like 0:29:11.200 --> 0:29:14.040 superficial way and go you're late. It's like but you 0:29:14.040 --> 0:29:17.480 don't understand what I was doing before I got I 0:29:17.680 --> 0:29:18.400 became late. 0:29:35.480 --> 0:29:38.840 I want to talk about how spirituality affected you your 0:29:38.920 --> 0:29:41.960 role as a mother. Obviously you said that becoming a 0:29:42.000 --> 0:29:46.600 mother yourself is actually what even began that enlightenment. It 0:29:46.680 --> 0:29:50.080 kind of began that journey. It felt like a responsibility, 0:29:50.120 --> 0:29:53.600 It felt like a moment of change. 0:29:53.880 --> 0:29:57.680 How is well, my mother died after giving birth to 0:29:57.720 --> 0:30:01.520 all my brothers and sisters, so literally, like the year 0:30:01.560 --> 0:30:03.800 after my youngest sister was born, my mother died. So 0:30:03.960 --> 0:30:08.800 I always equated motherhood with death. So and I also 0:30:08.960 --> 0:30:12.240 equated it with I could see she was not happy. 0:30:12.320 --> 0:30:14.520 I could see she wasn't living the life she wanted 0:30:14.520 --> 0:30:17.640 to live. I equated it with death, or I equated 0:30:17.680 --> 0:30:19.880 it with no freedom, or I equated it with no 0:30:20.000 --> 0:30:23.360 life except taking care of other people. And so when 0:30:23.400 --> 0:30:25.640 I started, when I came to New York and I 0:30:25.680 --> 0:30:28.360 started my career, I was like, no, this is not 0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:30.320 for me. I don't want to be a mother. I 0:30:30.320 --> 0:30:33.000 don't want that. I wasn't saying it out loud, but 0:30:33.040 --> 0:30:36.120 I was thinking that, like, why would I give all 0:30:36.120 --> 0:30:38.920 of this up? I worked so hard for it. Well, 0:30:38.960 --> 0:30:43.920 one day I found that I was pregnant and I 0:30:43.960 --> 0:30:46.440 and I had been running away from it for so long. 0:30:46.960 --> 0:30:50.760 And I wouldn't say I was in a stable relationship, 0:30:50.840 --> 0:30:54.840 but I loved her father, so I wasn't really thinking 0:30:54.880 --> 0:30:57.120 it through. But I was like, Okay, this happened. This 0:30:57.200 --> 0:30:59.680 happened to me, so it's meant to happen to me. 0:31:01.760 --> 0:31:05.280 But honestly, what the hell am I going to teach 0:31:05.320 --> 0:31:08.040 my daughter? Like, how am I going to guide her? 0:31:08.440 --> 0:31:13.800 I've just been living this, you know, completely selfish life 0:31:13.960 --> 0:31:17.240 really that you know turned out good in many ways, 0:31:17.280 --> 0:31:22.040 but in reality, I was doing everything for my own self. 0:31:22.680 --> 0:31:24.920 And I also kind of thought, well, you know, okay, 0:31:24.920 --> 0:31:26.840 I'm pregnant, so I'm going to be a mother, so 0:31:27.600 --> 0:31:29.520 I'll figure it out. I'll work it out. But honestly, 0:31:29.560 --> 0:31:34.920 I was scared shitless and I wasn't in a traditional relationship. 0:31:34.960 --> 0:31:38.280 And once again, like this is the story of my life. 0:31:38.360 --> 0:31:45.680 I keep finding myself in unconventional or untraditional or unusual 0:31:46.080 --> 0:31:51.120 or unfamiliar places, and I have to keep adjusting. And 0:31:51.160 --> 0:31:53.720 I say that, I would say that that is also 0:31:53.760 --> 0:31:56.680 the reason that I'm still here and still going and 0:31:56.800 --> 0:32:01.760 have the strength to fight things or just to survive 0:32:03.280 --> 0:32:07.360 because being too comfortable in life, I would say, is 0:32:07.560 --> 0:32:10.920 the downfall of a lot of people who started off 0:32:11.320 --> 0:32:12.920 taking chances, taking risks. 0:32:13.200 --> 0:32:15.200 Is that something success does to you? Do you think 0:32:15.280 --> 0:32:18.400 where in the beginning you take risks and you get it. 0:32:18.440 --> 0:32:20.440 I feel like that happens to other people, not me. 0:32:22.120 --> 0:32:25.240 I think I've always been felt like an outsider in life. 0:32:26.040 --> 0:32:28.640 I felt like an outsider growing up in Michigan. I 0:32:28.680 --> 0:32:30.640 felt like an outsider when I came to New York. 0:32:31.600 --> 0:32:34.600 I felt like an outsider when I moved to LA 0:32:34.760 --> 0:32:39.200 and had my Hollywood life. You know, I always felt 0:32:39.280 --> 0:32:41.040 like I did when I was in high school. I 0:32:41.080 --> 0:32:44.360 don't fit in, and not fitting in is what saves you, 0:32:45.400 --> 0:32:48.600 and that you know studying Kabala, No nobody else was 0:32:48.600 --> 0:32:52.360 interested in it, not my friend group, And if I 0:32:52.400 --> 0:32:54.440 would speak about it to people, they'd be like, oh, 0:32:54.480 --> 0:32:58.440 that's really interesting. Having a spiritual life isn't necessarily going 0:32:58.480 --> 0:33:02.600 to make you popular, but if you're a conscious person 0:33:02.920 --> 0:33:05.400 searching for truth, then it's going to be interesting. Like 0:33:05.480 --> 0:33:09.400 I'm interested in your spiritual path, your spiritual life. I 0:33:09.440 --> 0:33:11.360 want to know what you do, what it does for you. 0:33:11.920 --> 0:33:14.600 I want to know how you do it because I'm curious, 0:33:15.560 --> 0:33:20.760 and curiosity and being an outsider, and those are the 0:33:20.840 --> 0:33:26.160 things that actually save you, even though it's not supported 0:33:26.200 --> 0:33:31.360 in our society to think outside the box, to take 0:33:31.400 --> 0:33:38.840 the road less traveled by, to not be so concerned 0:33:38.880 --> 0:33:43.720 with approval public approval. And now we live in a 0:33:43.760 --> 0:33:48.560 world where everyone follows algorithms, and algorithms are the opposite 0:33:48.960 --> 0:33:51.800 of taking chances. They are the opposite of being unique. 0:33:52.200 --> 0:33:56.360 They're the opposite of spiritual life. They're the opposite of consciousness. 0:33:57.520 --> 0:34:03.320 That's why artificial intelligence cannot duplicate consciousness. It can duplicate 0:34:03.440 --> 0:34:10.480 doing things following formulas, but it can't duplicate consciousness. So 0:34:10.719 --> 0:34:11.600 now have we gotten really? 0:34:11.640 --> 0:34:14.279 After that, I love it, thought it's great to be 0:34:14.320 --> 0:34:17.640 in your stream of consciousness, and that on that point 0:34:17.640 --> 0:34:19.640 I will get back. But I often get asked the 0:34:19.719 --> 0:34:22.400 question right now when I'm on panels of do I 0:34:22.440 --> 0:34:25.200 ever believe that AI will have a soul? And my 0:34:25.320 --> 0:34:28.720 response is always I just hope that the people who 0:34:29.320 --> 0:34:33.000 are building AI have a soul, because yeah, ultimately it's 0:34:33.040 --> 0:34:35.840 becoming a reflection of whatever is inside of us. But 0:34:35.880 --> 0:34:39.640 I digress, going back to going back to how gone 0:34:39.719 --> 0:34:40.440 you're going to say no. 0:34:40.680 --> 0:34:44.880 You're you're right, yep, the people who make it, but are. 0:34:44.760 --> 0:34:46.759 They Yeah, that's the most important part. 0:34:46.920 --> 0:34:48.120 That's the scariest part. 0:34:48.480 --> 0:34:52.080 Yeah, the intention and the purity and consciousness. 0:34:52.160 --> 0:34:56.480 Yeah, yeah, I just repeat that like a mantra. Consciousness 0:34:56.520 --> 0:34:58.560 is everything. Consciousness is everything, but a lot of people 0:34:58.560 --> 0:34:59.440 don't even know what that is. 0:35:00.040 --> 0:35:02.760 Became a mom and you're trying to teach your children 0:35:02.840 --> 0:35:06.319 about I guess I'm assuming you will. Yeah, you wanted 0:35:06.320 --> 0:35:07.640 to pause some of these teachings on. 0:35:07.800 --> 0:35:11.279 Yeah, I mean they grew up learning it and studying it, 0:35:11.719 --> 0:35:15.080 studying or listening to me, study with my teachers, or 0:35:15.120 --> 0:35:18.560 listening to other people, and they would bounce back and 0:35:18.600 --> 0:35:22.440 forth between thinking it was silly or something weird that 0:35:22.520 --> 0:35:26.920 mom does, or but I see that it has impacted 0:35:26.960 --> 0:35:27.439 all of them. 0:35:27.719 --> 0:35:32.080 What makes you see that because they study. 0:35:31.120 --> 0:35:34.040 Not all of them. But I feel like my children 0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:37.680 who have a spiritual life are happier than the ones 0:35:37.719 --> 0:35:38.200 who do not. 0:35:39.680 --> 0:35:42.280 But obviously they could start at any time. It could happen. 0:35:42.320 --> 0:35:45.880 I'm not you know, there's no cohercion and spirituality like 0:35:46.480 --> 0:35:48.640 if you either it speaks to you or it doesn't. 0:35:48.960 --> 0:35:51.440 I remember my dad was trying to get us to 0:35:51.520 --> 0:35:55.400 do things for so long, and you rejected it so hard, because. 0:35:55.239 --> 0:35:58.680 Yes, well that's the other thing. Children always reject their 0:35:58.760 --> 0:36:02.600 parents the path they followed, their belief systems. They think 0:36:02.640 --> 0:36:05.720 it's stupid, and then they are they come back around 0:36:06.080 --> 0:36:08.160 a little bit totally. Yeah. 0:36:08.239 --> 0:36:11.680 Yeah, there's that famous quote that says, the day you 0:36:11.800 --> 0:36:13.960 realize your parents were right, your kids are telling you 0:36:14.000 --> 0:36:17.560 that you're wrong. And I think it's en often when 0:36:17.680 --> 0:36:21.480 experienced that people have. Yeah, how did kabbala impact your 0:36:21.600 --> 0:36:25.840 and your spiritual practice impact your role as a daughter, because, 0:36:25.880 --> 0:36:28.000 like you said, you lost your mother when you were five. 0:36:29.280 --> 0:36:31.640 To a certain extent, I resented my father growing up 0:36:31.680 --> 0:36:34.640 because I felt like he wasn't present for us emotionally. 0:36:36.400 --> 0:36:39.799 He did have a lot of responsibilities, and I's a 0:36:39.840 --> 0:36:43.799 deeply Catholic person, but I don't I felt like he 0:36:43.920 --> 0:36:47.960 followed his spiritual path or he followed Catholicism because that's 0:36:48.120 --> 0:36:50.600 how it was, that's how he was raised, that's how 0:36:50.640 --> 0:36:52.640 it was done when I was growing up. If I 0:36:52.640 --> 0:36:54.839 wanted to ask a question about why do we do this, 0:36:55.080 --> 0:36:57.800 why are we genuflecting, why are we receiving the body 0:36:57.800 --> 0:37:00.759 and blood, of Christ. Why is my father didn't have 0:37:00.800 --> 0:37:05.359 an answer, He'd just say that's what is written. And 0:37:05.640 --> 0:37:08.600 what drew me to Kabala was that I could ask 0:37:08.680 --> 0:37:13.680 questions and there were answers and questions were invited, which 0:37:13.760 --> 0:37:15.520 is the opposite of how it was brought up. So 0:37:15.600 --> 0:37:18.040 I thought I looked at my father as kind of 0:37:18.080 --> 0:37:20.880 like a religious robot, you know what I mean. Not 0:37:20.960 --> 0:37:24.239 that he's not a good person, but I didn't want 0:37:24.239 --> 0:37:30.719 to be a robot, and especially having a spiritual life, 0:37:31.080 --> 0:37:35.560 I started to see my father as a human being 0:37:35.840 --> 0:37:39.880 and see that he was a human that made mistakes 0:37:39.920 --> 0:37:42.360 and that he did the best with what he was 0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:46.160 taught he was given. When those cylinders start clicking in 0:37:46.160 --> 0:37:48.360 your head, you start to have a lot more compassion, 0:37:49.280 --> 0:37:52.399 not just for your parents, but for all people who 0:37:53.080 --> 0:37:55.200 don't see life the way you see it, that you 0:37:55.239 --> 0:37:59.560 don't agree with. It brought me to a place where 0:37:59.560 --> 0:38:01.919 I could have more compassion for him. 0:38:02.560 --> 0:38:05.200 I mean that seems like a really big gift, yeah, 0:38:05.920 --> 0:38:08.520 to have the understanding, and I could agree. I think 0:38:09.600 --> 0:38:15.560 spiritual context create so much compassion when you are able 0:38:15.560 --> 0:38:17.719 to zoom out and look at someone's life like I 0:38:17.760 --> 0:38:20.520 remember the moment I really had compassion for my dad 0:38:20.719 --> 0:38:23.919 was when I visited the home he grew up in, 0:38:24.600 --> 0:38:28.800 which was this room. I mean, I can't even compare 0:38:28.800 --> 0:38:33.640 it to this. His home was like probably just from 0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:37.680 here to here, like his entire home and they shared 0:38:37.680 --> 0:38:42.600 a bathroom with twenty thirty families. Yeah, and we went outside. 0:38:42.600 --> 0:38:44.360 I was nine years old. We're in India and there's 0:38:44.680 --> 0:38:48.839 cockroaches around us in Pune, and there's cockroaches around his home. 0:38:48.920 --> 0:38:50.960 There's bats in the you know, and it's just like 0:38:51.600 --> 0:38:53.719 and inside. And I was nine years old and I 0:38:53.760 --> 0:38:56.839 couldn't believe that. You know, that's when my dad grew up. 0:38:57.480 --> 0:38:59.680 And it was almost like something clicked where I was 0:38:59.719 --> 0:39:02.839 like I, unless I saw that, I wouldn't have had 0:39:02.840 --> 0:39:07.640 that experience because it was always easier to assume that 0:39:07.719 --> 0:39:08.320 their life. 0:39:08.520 --> 0:39:10.920 Yeah. Well that's the thing, like I say to my 0:39:11.000 --> 0:39:12.920 kids all the time, like you're judging me by the 0:39:13.040 --> 0:39:15.680 chapter you arrived in, Like this is not how my 0:39:15.719 --> 0:39:18.799 life has been, and it's really hard for kids to 0:39:18.840 --> 0:39:19.160 see that. 0:39:19.560 --> 0:39:22.640 Yeah. Yeah, going there was probably one of the best 0:39:22.640 --> 0:39:25.359 things that ever happened to me, because it's what you're saying. 0:39:25.360 --> 0:39:28.120 I was able to go to a previous chapter in 0:39:28.200 --> 0:39:32.359 someone's life. And even though my childhood we went well 0:39:32.400 --> 0:39:34.759 to do or we didn't have anything, but we didn't 0:39:34.800 --> 0:39:37.200 have a lot. Going to see that, I was like, 0:39:37.239 --> 0:39:39.560 oh gosh, my life is a million times better than this, 0:39:40.320 --> 0:39:43.279 and having that context was huge for me. I want 0:39:43.280 --> 0:39:45.560 to hear about how you were able to apply these 0:39:45.600 --> 0:39:49.400 principles in the difficulty of the big things you're talking about, 0:39:49.440 --> 0:39:53.759 because whether it's reconnecting with our parents, whether it's recovering 0:39:53.840 --> 0:39:58.160 from being raped, whether it's dealing with these challenges you've 0:39:58.200 --> 0:40:00.680 dealt with. As you said, it doesn't up and overnight. 0:40:00.719 --> 0:40:04.160 It's not easy. It is the level of study and work. 0:40:04.640 --> 0:40:07.520 But talk to me about the emotional journey of shifting 0:40:07.560 --> 0:40:11.920 from a victim to whatever you would call this on 0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:14.960 the other side, because it would be very natural for 0:40:15.000 --> 0:40:17.319 anyone to feel that way. I want to hear about 0:40:17.320 --> 0:40:20.319 the emotional journey and the spiritual journey you went on. 0:40:21.719 --> 0:40:23.680 What were some of the steps or stages that you 0:40:23.719 --> 0:40:27.280 saw that if anyone is listening or watching, can recognize 0:40:27.280 --> 0:40:27.960 and potentially well. 0:40:28.239 --> 0:40:31.000 The first thing is you're suffering all the time if 0:40:31.080 --> 0:40:33.560 you don't have a spiritual life, like you're just suffering 0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:37.239 all the time, and you really think that whatever is 0:40:37.280 --> 0:40:39.520 happening to is like something that's never going to end, 0:40:40.680 --> 0:40:42.720 and you drew the wrong. 0:40:42.680 --> 0:40:45.240 Card, you know, That's how you feel. 0:40:46.040 --> 0:40:49.480 That's how I used to think. And even now since 0:40:49.520 --> 0:40:52.480 I've been studying, there's been times where I've been really 0:40:52.560 --> 0:41:00.239 challenged and really suffered in certain situations, and I if 0:41:00.239 --> 0:41:03.480 I didn't have a spiritual life, I don't know how 0:41:03.640 --> 0:41:05.560 I wanted. You know, there were moments in my life 0:41:05.560 --> 0:41:07.600 where I wanted to cut my arms off. I wanted 0:41:07.960 --> 0:41:11.759 I actually contemplated suicide. And that probably sounds really weird 0:41:11.800 --> 0:41:14.720 coming from me, because I'm not that I'm not emo, 0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:17.200 you know what I mean. But I was like, I 0:41:17.239 --> 0:41:20.080 can't take this pain anymore. But as soon as you 0:41:20.360 --> 0:41:25.000 understand that what's happening to you is a challenge that 0:41:25.080 --> 0:41:30.279 you are karmically meant to experience and learn from and 0:41:30.360 --> 0:41:34.719 evolve to a higher level of consciousness, then you can 0:41:34.800 --> 0:41:40.239 look at that event, that experience as a lesson and 0:41:40.280 --> 0:41:41.759 not punishment. 0:41:43.080 --> 0:41:45.440 What pain at the time pushed you to that place 0:41:45.480 --> 0:41:47.800 of potentially wanting to take your own life. 0:41:48.520 --> 0:41:50.440 I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't. I'm not 0:41:50.480 --> 0:41:53.759 in the blame game. That's the thing. I used to 0:41:53.760 --> 0:41:59.520 be that way, and I used to always want to 0:41:59.560 --> 0:42:02.360 seek a and you know, somebody did did me wrong, 0:42:04.239 --> 0:42:10.799 or I would pronounce loudly, oh well, you know, they'll 0:42:10.840 --> 0:42:13.919 get their own karma. Well whatever, you know what I mean. 0:42:14.560 --> 0:42:17.839 And even knowing about karma doesn't mean you're a grown up, 0:42:18.200 --> 0:42:23.239 that doesn't mean you're not being a victim. But I 0:42:23.280 --> 0:42:25.920 would say probably one of the most painful moments in 0:42:25.920 --> 0:42:28.719 my life where I honestly couldn't see the forest through 0:42:28.719 --> 0:42:32.960 the trees for the trees, was when I went through 0:42:32.960 --> 0:42:37.600 a custody battle with my son and I you know, 0:42:40.719 --> 0:42:42.440 even though my marriage didn't work out. I mean a 0:42:42.440 --> 0:42:44.920 lot of people marriages don't work out. They marry their 0:42:44.960 --> 0:42:47.439 own people. They're not aligned, they're not meant for each other. 0:42:49.080 --> 0:42:51.520 Someone taking trying to take my child away from me 0:42:51.719 --> 0:42:55.959 was like they might as well just kill me. That's 0:42:56.040 --> 0:42:58.560 really how I was thinking. And I was on tour 0:42:58.600 --> 0:43:00.440 at the time, so I had to go on stage 0:43:00.440 --> 0:43:02.399 every night. I would just be lying on the floor 0:43:02.400 --> 0:43:07.239 of my dressing room sobbing. I really thought it was 0:43:07.280 --> 0:43:09.440 like it was the end of the world. I couldn't 0:43:09.440 --> 0:43:15.680 take it. I just couldn't take it. But thank god, 0:43:16.000 --> 0:43:19.239 I don't feel that way anymore. And I had to 0:43:19.320 --> 0:43:23.480 keep you know, studying, Like, continuing my studies and continuing 0:43:23.480 --> 0:43:27.120 on my spiritual path like helped me to understand that, 0:43:27.640 --> 0:43:33.200 you know, the enemy is within. You know, lots of 0:43:33.200 --> 0:43:35.600 people do lots of bad things and make a lot 0:43:35.640 --> 0:43:39.680 of bad choices, or make choices that cause other people pain, 0:43:40.320 --> 0:43:45.360 suffering or chaos or whatever. But at the end of 0:43:45.440 --> 0:43:50.560 the day, I needed to learn some lessons. And I 0:43:50.600 --> 0:43:53.880 can see that with the benefit of hindsight, but I 0:43:53.920 --> 0:43:57.239 couldn't see it at the time. And also I was 0:43:57.280 --> 0:44:02.080 abandoned as a child by my own mother, and so 0:44:02.360 --> 0:44:05.600 losing a child like it was like life repeating itself. 0:44:05.800 --> 0:44:09.120 I couldn't accept it, and so it caused me a 0:44:09.160 --> 0:44:12.360 lot of suffering, and not being able to accept things 0:44:12.400 --> 0:44:17.439 causes all of us a lot of suffering. So yes, 0:44:17.520 --> 0:44:20.279 and now you know, I'm happy to say that I'm 0:44:20.280 --> 0:44:24.560 really good friends with my son. But I couldn't see 0:44:24.560 --> 0:44:26.400 it then. I really thought it was the end of 0:44:26.400 --> 0:44:29.880 the world. So, you know, thank god I had a 0:44:29.920 --> 0:44:30.600 spiritual life. 0:44:31.160 --> 0:44:33.480 Was the lesson radical acceptance. 0:44:33.400 --> 0:44:39.040 Yeah, exactly. It took me a long time, actually several years. 0:44:41.120 --> 0:44:45.719 Radical acceptance is just accepting that what is happening to 0:44:45.719 --> 0:44:49.560 you is meant to happen to you, and that you're 0:44:49.600 --> 0:44:53.279 going to be okay. I mean, it's not an instant thing. 0:44:53.680 --> 0:44:56.360 There's no such thing as an instant thing. There's no 0:44:56.400 --> 0:44:58.919 way we're going to escape suffering. Even if we grow 0:44:59.000 --> 0:45:02.160 up with wealth privilege, and you know it didn't grow 0:45:02.200 --> 0:45:04.600 up in a small room. You know, our challenges and 0:45:04.600 --> 0:45:06.160 our suffering is going to come to us in a 0:45:06.160 --> 0:45:10.040 different way. I can give you another example of radical acceptance, 0:45:10.080 --> 0:45:14.080 and that is and this is something that my teacher 0:45:14.520 --> 0:45:17.479 shared with me about a year and a half ago. 0:45:17.680 --> 0:45:21.239 I was rehearsing for my tour, a tour and I 0:45:22.840 --> 0:45:27.960 I got a bacterial infection and I one minute I 0:45:28.040 --> 0:45:30.759 was alive and dancing around, and the next minute I 0:45:30.880 --> 0:45:34.320 was in the ICU unit of a hospital. And I 0:45:34.360 --> 0:45:38.080 woke up from being unconscious for four days, I got 0:45:38.080 --> 0:45:40.120 out of the hospital. They took me off of you know, 0:45:40.760 --> 0:45:42.839 the ventil Later, I started to breathe on my own, 0:45:43.400 --> 0:45:46.279 and I had something that's something it's called sepsis, and 0:45:46.360 --> 0:45:50.480 it's like it can kill you and everybody recovers at 0:45:50.520 --> 0:45:53.600 a different rate, and so you know, I've always seen 0:45:53.640 --> 0:45:56.959 myself as superwoman. So I was like, oh, I'm gonna 0:45:57.000 --> 0:45:59.400 I'm gonna, this is gonna I'm gonna kick this. I'm 0:45:59.440 --> 0:46:01.520 going to be good. I'm getting back into rehearsals. And 0:46:02.160 --> 0:46:04.400 I had no strength, I had no energy. I couldn't 0:46:04.400 --> 0:46:05.840 get out of bed, and I didn't know when it 0:46:05.880 --> 0:46:08.960 was going to end. And I used to talk to 0:46:09.000 --> 0:46:11.120 my teacher all the time, and he's like, the sooner 0:46:11.160 --> 0:46:13.680 you accept what's happening to you, and that you don't 0:46:13.760 --> 0:46:15.719 know when it's going to end, the sooner it's going 0:46:15.760 --> 0:46:18.719 to end. That made so much sense to me, and 0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:22.600 of course it did. But I mean I've heard some 0:46:22.640 --> 0:46:26.600 people never recover from it completely, never recover and have 0:46:26.760 --> 0:46:32.280 their like full health again. So again, it's the same idea, 0:46:32.400 --> 0:46:36.480 same concept, like if you sit around feeling sorry for yourself, 0:46:37.000 --> 0:46:40.000 oh well, woe is me? Or poor me? Or this 0:46:40.040 --> 0:46:43.920 is like I don't accept it, I will not accept it. Well, 0:46:44.000 --> 0:46:46.920 then you're just going to be swimming and suffering. 0:46:47.040 --> 0:46:50.160 You're reminding me of something I read in a it's 0:46:50.160 --> 0:46:52.920 not a spiritual book, but it has a similar message. 0:46:52.960 --> 0:46:56.640 It's called Culture Code by Daniel Coyle, and he talks 0:46:56.640 --> 0:47:00.319 in this book about how when soldiers were out a war, 0:47:01.440 --> 0:47:04.640 a lot of them wanted to believe they'd be back 0:47:04.680 --> 0:47:09.080 by Christmas, and there were the others that accepted that 0:47:09.120 --> 0:47:11.080 they had no idea when they were going to get home. 0:47:12.160 --> 0:47:14.880 And he talks about that those who accepted that they 0:47:14.880 --> 0:47:16.400 had no idea when they were going to get home 0:47:16.960 --> 0:47:20.680 were actually happier and were able to endure what they 0:47:20.680 --> 0:47:23.560 were going through a lot easier than those who hoped 0:47:23.560 --> 0:47:26.080 they'd get back on Christmas and then yeah, didn't. 0:47:26.760 --> 0:47:28.920 Yes, it's like the Victor Frankel book. 0:47:28.800 --> 0:47:32.200 Yes and Such for me, Yeah, yeah, exactly, And it's 0:47:32.239 --> 0:47:34.680 such it's when when I hear it from those really 0:47:34.719 --> 0:47:40.600 extreme scenarios, you're like, wow, if Victor Frankel can think that, 0:47:41.120 --> 0:47:45.040 you know, in the experience that he had, you go okay, well, 0:47:45.080 --> 0:47:48.279 and Edith eager with the gift and you go wow, 0:47:48.360 --> 0:47:50.319 like yeah, if you can have that experience there, then 0:47:50.600 --> 0:47:53.440 then there must be some truth to that, because how 0:47:53.480 --> 0:47:55.440 could you accept that when it was when you were 0:47:55.440 --> 0:47:58.560 going through the worst. Yeah, yeah, it's really really tough 0:47:59.560 --> 0:48:04.560 going back to your experience of that, What would you say, 0:48:04.719 --> 0:48:08.520 because you mentioned karma there and this idea of choices 0:48:08.600 --> 0:48:12.120 we make and lessons we need to learn, and karma 0:48:12.200 --> 0:48:17.080 almost being this experience of learning the lessons. How do 0:48:17.160 --> 0:48:20.239 you see karma? How do you define karma from your 0:48:20.320 --> 0:48:24.000 learnings and studies? And let's stop there, and then I'll 0:48:24.000 --> 0:48:25.360 ask the second question after that. 0:48:27.320 --> 0:48:31.680 My personal understanding is that our souls choose the lives 0:48:31.719 --> 0:48:36.000 that we are born into the circumstances we are born into, 0:48:37.480 --> 0:48:40.799 that our souls are perfect, but then we're born into 0:48:40.880 --> 0:48:46.560 a life which is one challenge after an next after 0:48:46.600 --> 0:48:51.680 the next, and that our journey is to navigate and 0:48:51.719 --> 0:48:56.759 to see that each challenge that happens to us is 0:48:56.800 --> 0:49:02.040 our karmic destiny. It's energy, the law of its quantum physics, 0:49:02.080 --> 0:49:05.799 it's caused and effect. Whatever's happening to me that might 0:49:05.840 --> 0:49:10.520 be uncomfortable is obviously meant to happen to me to 0:49:10.640 --> 0:49:12.799 teach me a lesson. And if I don't learn that 0:49:12.920 --> 0:49:16.160 lesson at that point, it's going to come up again 0:49:16.840 --> 0:49:21.440 and again and again until I learn it and accept 0:49:22.320 --> 0:49:25.520 then it's a lesson, not a punishment. So that's how 0:49:25.560 --> 0:49:27.200 you get out of victim mentality. 0:49:27.239 --> 0:49:31.080 Also, what was the lesson that kept repeating for you 0:49:32.480 --> 0:49:34.440 and took you a bit longer than you would have 0:49:34.520 --> 0:49:37.040 liked to learn. What was the one that kept showing up? 0:49:38.239 --> 0:49:44.759 Betrayal or abandonment Sometimes they go hand in hand, but 0:49:46.239 --> 0:49:48.920 it really kept me like I saw a lot of 0:49:48.960 --> 0:49:52.080 people or I felt and experienced it. I was constantly 0:49:52.120 --> 0:49:58.399 being either abandoned or betrayed. So that kept me in 0:49:58.400 --> 0:50:02.200 a state sometimes off, often like feeling sorry for myself, 0:50:03.000 --> 0:50:07.800 stuck in a place of blaming others and not taking 0:50:07.840 --> 0:50:11.680 responsibilities for well, how did I bring this upon myself? 0:50:12.160 --> 0:50:15.600 Or why asking the question well, why is this happening 0:50:15.640 --> 0:50:18.360 to me? Over and over again? Obviously I need to 0:50:18.440 --> 0:50:23.480 learn something. I think everybody if they think about it, 0:50:23.560 --> 0:50:26.160 like what is the thing that always comes back to you? 0:50:26.360 --> 0:50:30.440 Or like for everybody it's something different. Obviously, I think 0:50:30.680 --> 0:50:34.880 the abandonment thing was the greatest lesson to that I 0:50:34.920 --> 0:50:39.040 could teach me that I could stop being destroyed by 0:50:39.080 --> 0:50:44.239 it or paralyzed by it. Was to think of all 0:50:44.400 --> 0:50:48.640 like how am I not showing up for other people? 0:50:49.160 --> 0:50:51.280 How am I abandoning other people? 0:50:51.920 --> 0:50:53.320 How am I abandoning myself? 0:50:53.719 --> 0:50:57.080 How long have I been not listening to myself, my 0:50:57.160 --> 0:51:01.960 inner truth, my inner voice. Yes, and we all say 0:51:02.000 --> 0:51:04.720 goodbye to our inner selves at some point or another 0:51:05.400 --> 0:51:07.960 until something wakes us up. Push has to come to 0:51:08.000 --> 0:51:11.359 shop for everybody, there's just no way to escape it. 0:51:11.640 --> 0:51:15.239 So that's something that as a concept that you have 0:51:15.280 --> 0:51:19.400 to get your head around. There's no running away from 0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:25.640 being tested. There's no running away from experiencing pain, suffering, 0:51:25.680 --> 0:51:31.040 whether it's physical or emotional. I mean, and that obviously 0:51:31.160 --> 0:51:35.320 that takes life experience and living and you know, going 0:51:36.480 --> 0:51:39.319 everything's going well for me, I'm so happy, everything's great. 0:51:39.360 --> 0:51:42.560 Oh no, this is like, this is a failure. People 0:51:42.600 --> 0:51:46.719 are writing negative shit about me, like you know, or 0:51:47.239 --> 0:51:50.200 this relationship ended, or this person cheated on me or this, 0:51:50.520 --> 0:51:52.239 you know, like all these things that happened to you. 0:51:53.800 --> 0:51:57.640 Rejection like and then you go and you go, no, 0:51:57.760 --> 0:52:00.680 I'm not happy. If you're going to go through life 0:52:00.719 --> 0:52:04.080 like being a slave to these like ups and downs, 0:52:04.120 --> 0:52:07.239 you're just going to be like, I don't know how 0:52:07.280 --> 0:52:10.960 you can last, obviously, I mean it's obvious to me. 0:52:11.320 --> 0:52:13.000 I don't know if it's obvious to you or anybody 0:52:13.040 --> 0:52:17.440 who's watching this, But I don't know how we can 0:52:17.520 --> 0:52:21.720 maintain our sanity, and especially now. I mean when people 0:52:21.760 --> 0:52:24.160 lived simpler lives and we didn't see what was going 0:52:24.160 --> 0:52:26.080 on in the world, and we didn't like we weren't 0:52:26.160 --> 0:52:31.040 so connected like we are because of technology and the 0:52:31.160 --> 0:52:36.920 end of the internet whatever, it's hard not to get 0:52:37.000 --> 0:52:43.120 like anxious or start blaming or taking sides or feeling 0:52:43.320 --> 0:52:44.360 you know what I'm saying. 0:52:45.160 --> 0:52:48.080 Yeah, I loved I loved what you said. This one 0:52:48.120 --> 0:52:49.920 line will stay with me for a long time. I 0:52:49.960 --> 0:52:52.879 really really thought it was beautiful. You said we all 0:52:52.920 --> 0:52:57.040 say goodbye to our in ourselves at some point, and 0:52:57.440 --> 0:53:02.040 that really landed because that's why it feels like we're 0:53:02.040 --> 0:53:04.959 coming home to ourselves when you and I think everyone 0:53:05.000 --> 0:53:08.760 who's listening and watching can if they've started their spiritual journey, 0:53:08.800 --> 0:53:13.279 they've started their reconnection journey. They know what that feeling's like, 0:53:13.320 --> 0:53:16.640 where it's like, yeah, wait, when I left myself and 0:53:16.680 --> 0:53:18.160 now I'm coming back to myself. 0:53:18.200 --> 0:53:20.200 Yes, I always say, what was I thinking before? I 0:53:20.239 --> 0:53:27.279 was thinking? Right, I don't even know, So I was 0:53:27.360 --> 0:53:33.279 just thinking about myself. But ironically and paradoxically, when you're 0:53:33.360 --> 0:53:36.720 just thinking about yourself and consume with yourself, you're actually 0:53:36.719 --> 0:53:40.239 not connected to yourself at all, you know what I mean? 0:53:40.560 --> 0:53:44.319 Yeah, how did it change now when you go through 0:53:44.400 --> 0:53:46.879 betrayal or you go through rejection, or any of those 0:53:46.920 --> 0:53:49.200 things that you talked about. How do you process it 0:53:49.280 --> 0:53:53.080 differently now with your spiritual practices than you did before. 0:53:53.200 --> 0:53:55.239 What's the different experience you have of it? 0:53:55.760 --> 0:53:59.480 Well? I spend less time feeling sorry for myself, being 0:53:59.520 --> 0:54:05.239 a victim blaming, and more time thinking, okay, why did 0:54:05.239 --> 0:54:07.239 this happen to me? What's the lesson? I mean, I 0:54:07.360 --> 0:54:10.520 go to that sooner well than I did before. 0:54:11.200 --> 0:54:14.880 What's the difference between self blame and accountability? Because I 0:54:14.880 --> 0:54:18.000 feel a lot of people fall into the trap of 0:54:18.120 --> 0:54:19.880 now you don't go and blame other people, but you 0:54:19.920 --> 0:54:22.320 blame yourself and you go, I messed up. I should 0:54:22.320 --> 0:54:23.800 have chosen right, I should have done that. 0:54:23.880 --> 0:54:27.279 Okay, Well, self reflection and acknowledging and being accountable for 0:54:27.320 --> 0:54:30.160 your behavior. It's not the same as feeling guilty. That 0:54:30.520 --> 0:54:32.760 feeling guilty is just you're consumer with your. 0:54:32.640 --> 0:54:34.040 Ego flaming yourself. 0:54:34.120 --> 0:54:36.360 Yeah, so you're not going to get anywhere with that. 0:54:36.560 --> 0:54:39.680 That just stops any kind of growth from happening. 0:54:39.840 --> 0:54:42.080 It's pretty amazing to say that you can speed up 0:54:42.120 --> 0:54:45.120 to that point of asking yourself that question of what 0:54:45.160 --> 0:54:48.320 can I learn from this? I mean, that's the ultimate question. 0:54:48.600 --> 0:54:51.000 Yeah, And believe me, it's not something that stays with 0:54:51.080 --> 0:54:53.360 me all the time. So sometimes I forget and I'm like, 0:54:54.200 --> 0:54:57.760 I'm doing this again. I'm doing it again. I'm falling 0:54:57.800 --> 0:55:02.560 back into a familiar pattern. Yeah. But if you don't know, 0:55:03.600 --> 0:55:07.319 then you're not like it's important to know again, not 0:55:07.440 --> 0:55:10.360 beat up on yourself. Well, okay, I made a mistake. 0:55:10.920 --> 0:55:16.399 What can I learn from it? Swallow your pride? How 0:55:16.440 --> 0:55:17.560 your eager to shut up? 0:55:17.960 --> 0:55:24.440 Basically, you mentioned the word manifesting earlier and channeling and 0:55:24.480 --> 0:55:27.640 being a vessel, and I wanted to ask you because 0:55:27.640 --> 0:55:31.080 manifesting becomes very popular in the world today as a concept. 0:55:31.640 --> 0:55:34.560 It's at least out there people understand the word. Now. 0:55:34.560 --> 0:55:36.840 When people would look at your career, they would assume 0:55:37.000 --> 0:55:42.920 you've manifested incredible amounts of successful yourself, incredible amounts of 0:55:44.080 --> 0:55:48.080 wins and all the rest of it. Talk to us 0:55:48.080 --> 0:55:52.520 about your process of manifestation. What does it actually look like. 0:55:52.960 --> 0:55:56.719 If you're manifesting things and you're not conscious that it's 0:55:56.800 --> 0:56:00.920 a gift from the universe, from the life from the creator, 0:56:01.440 --> 0:56:04.160 whatever you want to call it. If you're not aware 0:56:04.239 --> 0:56:09.759 of that and you're not conscious, then okay, you you 0:56:09.800 --> 0:56:14.000 invented something great, you created this thing that now is 0:56:14.120 --> 0:56:20.839 selling billions. But everything becomes finite when you're not manifesting 0:56:20.960 --> 0:56:26.400 with the with the consciousness that you are channeling something. 0:56:26.600 --> 0:56:31.799 You don't own it. So that's a big thing. 0:56:34.000 --> 0:56:35.200 Sure, So whatever. 0:56:35.440 --> 0:56:39.000 So if I have a successful show, if I have 0:56:39.320 --> 0:56:43.640 successful if anything happens to me successfully like it is 0:56:43.680 --> 0:56:47.880 perceived as a success in the outside world, I just say, 0:56:47.960 --> 0:56:54.319 you know, that's how blessed am I. I manifested that 0:56:54.560 --> 0:56:59.640 with the help of God. I didn't do it on 0:56:59.680 --> 0:57:04.680 my own. I do nothing on my own. And if 0:57:04.800 --> 0:57:07.400 if you think you're manifesting on your own in your 0:57:07.920 --> 0:57:09.960 you're like an ostrich with your head in the sand, 0:57:10.880 --> 0:57:14.359 and there will be an end to whatever you're manifesting. 0:57:14.760 --> 0:57:18.840 So if someone desires something, they've got to recognize that 0:57:19.840 --> 0:57:24.600 it's not their hand, it's something that they're willing to become. 0:57:24.800 --> 0:57:24.960 Well. 0:57:25.760 --> 0:57:31.280 I mean, it requires work to be conscious, It requires 0:57:31.320 --> 0:57:35.160 work to see that you're channeling something and being a 0:57:35.240 --> 0:57:39.480 vessel for something. So you do have your part in it, 0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:41.560 but you're not on your own. That's the point. 0:57:42.360 --> 0:57:44.680 And a lot of us feel like, I'm going to 0:57:44.760 --> 0:57:48.000 do this. When I do this, I'll get this, and 0:57:48.040 --> 0:57:50.920 when I get this, then I will be this person that's. 0:57:50.800 --> 0:57:57.200 Desire for selfish reasons. You're you know, manifesting success is 0:57:57.240 --> 0:58:00.960 whenever you want something for the sake of sharing, when 0:58:00.960 --> 0:58:03.480 you want something just for yourself, Like I'll be happy 0:58:03.480 --> 0:58:07.600 when I have ten bugattis and a mansion in every 0:58:07.720 --> 0:58:11.880 major city and I'm the brand ambassador of Louis Vuitton. 0:58:13.520 --> 0:58:15.760 No sense to Louis Vuitton, just throwing that out there, 0:58:15.800 --> 0:58:17.520 but you know what I mean, Like those things like 0:58:17.600 --> 0:58:22.400 really make people happy, but it's short lived and sooner 0:58:22.480 --> 0:58:26.840 or later. Everybody comes to that realization anyways. It's just 0:58:26.880 --> 0:58:30.080 whether it's sooner or later. And these are the things. 0:58:30.160 --> 0:58:33.280 I talk about this in our studies. You know, let's 0:58:33.280 --> 0:58:35.880 get back to why I'm here, and my intention is 0:58:35.920 --> 0:58:39.120 to share my spiritual life with people. We talk about 0:58:39.160 --> 0:58:43.920 in our studies, we talk about manifesting, and we talk 0:58:44.000 --> 0:58:50.040 about being a channel, and you know, I share in 0:58:50.040 --> 0:58:53.040 one of the studies, I talk about writing my first song, 0:58:53.120 --> 0:58:57.720 for example, and how I taught myself how to play 0:58:57.840 --> 0:59:01.760 the drums, and I my friend, my boyfriend at the time, 0:59:01.800 --> 0:59:03.040 was in a band, and he taught me how to 0:59:03.040 --> 0:59:08.600 play guitar, like just simple chords, and when nobody was around, 0:59:09.280 --> 0:59:12.200 I would start playing with all the instruments and start 0:59:13.240 --> 0:59:16.280 without thinking, without any like I'm going to be this 0:59:16.440 --> 0:59:18.520 or I'm going to be that. Let me just I 0:59:18.600 --> 0:59:21.439 just sat down and wrote a song for the first time, 0:59:21.480 --> 0:59:23.720 and I was and I was very conscious at that 0:59:23.840 --> 0:59:28.040 moment after it happened, where did that come from? Well? 0:59:28.040 --> 0:59:31.040 How did that happen? I didn't grow up with musicians. 0:59:31.080 --> 0:59:34.080 I didn't grow up with songwriters, no one. I didn't 0:59:34.080 --> 0:59:38.400 have a goal to be that. Where did it come from? 0:59:39.640 --> 0:59:42.720 And so when you start like opening your eyes to that, 0:59:42.880 --> 0:59:45.080 where did how did that happen? Where did that come from? 0:59:45.120 --> 0:59:50.000 Then you see you see the possibilities, You see the 0:59:50.040 --> 0:59:54.800 magic of the universe of life, and you see that 0:59:55.840 --> 0:59:59.120 you know that was that was a gift. Some angels 0:59:59.160 --> 1:00:02.880 showed up in my room and you know what am 1:00:02.920 --> 1:00:06.280 I going to do with that gift? So these moments 1:00:06.360 --> 1:00:09.720 happened to you throughout life. They happen to everybody, whether 1:00:09.760 --> 1:00:15.240 you're saving someone's life or you have this incredible idea 1:00:15.280 --> 1:00:17.880 for some life saving invention. You know what I mean. 1:00:18.720 --> 1:00:21.920 We're all blessed with those moments, and it's you know, 1:00:22.000 --> 1:00:24.640 it's really the important thing is to acknowledge where that 1:00:24.760 --> 1:00:27.040 came from. That's really manifesting. 1:00:28.000 --> 1:00:32.480 I love that. That's my favorite explanation and manifestation I've 1:00:32.480 --> 1:00:35.880 ever heard. Truly, it really is, because I think what 1:00:36.000 --> 1:00:40.600 often happens in substitute of what you said is we 1:00:40.680 --> 1:00:43.960 have an idea and then we try and manufacture that 1:00:44.600 --> 1:00:48.360 set of inputs and outputs again to get that again, 1:00:48.920 --> 1:00:52.160 and then it doesn't work, and then we're confused because like, 1:00:52.240 --> 1:00:54.640 wait a minute, last time I did this and did 1:00:54.680 --> 1:00:56.320 this and did this, then I got this, and now 1:00:56.360 --> 1:00:57.919 I'm trying to do it again, and then you get 1:00:57.960 --> 1:01:00.880 stuck because now you think you can't do it. But 1:01:00.920 --> 1:01:04.800 the reality is that's just a very functional way of 1:01:04.840 --> 1:01:11.040 looking at something that's far beyond input output and manufacturing. 1:01:11.080 --> 1:01:14.840 You can't manufacture to manifest it doesn't make sense. No, Yeah, 1:01:14.840 --> 1:01:18.240 I really really like that. I really really appreciate that definition, 1:01:18.280 --> 1:01:20.760 and I think that's going to help a lot of 1:01:20.800 --> 1:01:23.800 people because I think the way it's being talked about 1:01:23.880 --> 1:01:26.320 right now is just being be clear about your goals 1:01:26.360 --> 1:01:29.600 and be really clear about what you want. And I 1:01:29.680 --> 1:01:31.040 mean that's important too. 1:01:31.760 --> 1:01:36.000 Say out loud what you want out of life. That 1:01:36.120 --> 1:01:39.680 is important, but it's it's you're in a partnership that 1:01:39.680 --> 1:01:44.880 that's really what's important to remember. Yeah, and we become 1:01:44.920 --> 1:01:48.240 our environments as well, So we want to surround ourselves 1:01:48.280 --> 1:01:51.160 with people who with like minded individuals. And if you 1:01:51.200 --> 1:01:55.800 are around people who also are attaining to reach a 1:01:55.880 --> 1:01:58.520 higher level of consciousness or want to know the deeper 1:01:58.560 --> 1:02:01.400 meanings of life, or want to look inward and figure 1:02:01.440 --> 1:02:05.560 out why what their karmic destiny is, or even taken 1:02:05.640 --> 1:02:08.760 to consideration the idea of karma. I mean you need 1:02:08.800 --> 1:02:12.400 that also because if you don't have that support system, 1:02:12.840 --> 1:02:15.720 then you can also fall back into the trap of 1:02:16.360 --> 1:02:21.800 recreating formulas at work or trying to capture some magical 1:02:21.840 --> 1:02:26.120 moment and make it magic again. And that's just our 1:02:26.160 --> 1:02:28.000 ego taking over and telling. 1:02:27.800 --> 1:02:31.200 Us, you know, I did that, I did that, I 1:02:31.200 --> 1:02:32.920 can do it again. Yeah. 1:02:34.080 --> 1:02:34.280 No. 1:02:51.040 --> 1:02:53.560 One of my favorite ways of thinking about it, especially 1:02:53.600 --> 1:02:57.800 when you said it's a partnership, is when we look 1:02:57.840 --> 1:03:02.200 at the universe, everything's always said, so the sun's providing 1:03:02.280 --> 1:03:06.920 light and heat. Waters obviously giving us life, oxygen exists, 1:03:07.000 --> 1:03:11.360 trees are giving us shade and fruits and flowers, and 1:03:11.400 --> 1:03:13.800 so in order to really be in partnership with the universe, 1:03:13.880 --> 1:03:17.200 one has to want to serve because everything is designed 1:03:17.240 --> 1:03:21.920 to serve and give, and everything's designed to give and 1:03:22.040 --> 1:03:25.040 serve and provide. And so when we're not serving, we're 1:03:25.080 --> 1:03:29.720 actually acting against the universe because everything in the universe 1:03:29.800 --> 1:03:33.280 is designed simply to give. We're wired for generosity but 1:03:33.480 --> 1:03:38.640 educated for greed, and when that juxtaposition comes up against itself, 1:03:38.680 --> 1:03:41.320 it just creates friction. It's like, we all feel better 1:03:41.360 --> 1:03:43.919 when we do something for someone else. Absolutely, we all 1:03:43.920 --> 1:03:47.240 feel more joy when you take care of someone in need, 1:03:47.520 --> 1:03:49.120 more than if you did it for yourself. And the 1:03:49.120 --> 1:03:51.920 science and the research backs up as well. This isn't 1:03:51.960 --> 1:03:53.960 some woo woo spiritual idea. 1:03:54.480 --> 1:03:56.320 No, absolutely the truth. 1:03:56.440 --> 1:03:59.480 But it's amazing how our conditioning and education is so 1:03:59.560 --> 1:04:02.000 the oppos it that we will believe. 1:04:01.720 --> 1:04:02.880 That every man for himself. 1:04:03.160 --> 1:04:08.520 Yeah, yeah, that's the statement. No, how much unconditioning does 1:04:08.560 --> 1:04:10.880 it take for us to lose the every man for 1:04:11.000 --> 1:04:14.800 himself mindset? What does that look like in your spiritual practice? 1:04:14.840 --> 1:04:17.560 And journey especially and not fall back into that trapuing 1:04:18.920 --> 1:04:24.120 to continue to have a spiritual life, spiritual practice, to study, 1:04:24.000 --> 1:04:27.240 to stop every you know, whether every day, once a 1:04:27.280 --> 1:04:33.720 week you people don't have some kind of ritualistic moment 1:04:33.840 --> 1:04:36.560 in their life, like I said, whether it's every day 1:04:36.680 --> 1:04:39.800 or a few times a week, that like, what's going 1:04:39.880 --> 1:04:44.360 to stop you? You know what I mean? You have 1:04:44.440 --> 1:04:48.960 to have that moment where you're thinking about what you've done, 1:04:49.120 --> 1:04:51.640 thinking about what you'd like to do, thinking about what 1:04:52.200 --> 1:04:56.600 you know. Have I capitalized on the opportunities that have 1:04:56.680 --> 1:05:03.640 come my way, not monetarily spiritually like what did I 1:05:03.720 --> 1:05:08.000 do to help someone? What have I done for others? 1:05:10.160 --> 1:05:12.000 I mean, that's really the only way you can be 1:05:12.120 --> 1:05:13.520 successful in life. 1:05:13.760 --> 1:05:15.840 What were you trying to channel when you were creating 1:05:15.880 --> 1:05:18.400 in your music and what were you trying to do 1:05:18.440 --> 1:05:19.919 to help people? What was well? 1:05:19.920 --> 1:05:22.840 In the beginning, I just wanted to be somebody. I 1:05:22.920 --> 1:05:25.280 just wanted to be somebody like I wanted to have 1:05:25.320 --> 1:05:27.240 a voice. I wanted to make a difference in the world. 1:05:27.280 --> 1:05:30.360 But I wasn't clear about what that meant. Now I'm 1:05:30.360 --> 1:05:31.360 clear about what it means. 1:05:31.480 --> 1:05:34.000 What does it mean today that. 1:05:34.040 --> 1:05:37.520 Everything I say has weight and gravity, and that words 1:05:37.560 --> 1:05:41.720 are powerful and actions are powerful. And I always ask 1:05:41.840 --> 1:05:45.920 myself like why am I doing this? Why do I 1:05:45.960 --> 1:05:48.800 want to? Why is this song important to me? Why 1:05:48.880 --> 1:05:51.800 is this performance important to me? Why is this conversation 1:05:51.880 --> 1:05:55.800 we're having right now important to me? That's really the 1:05:55.800 --> 1:06:00.760 difference is like having intention and conscious we're really like 1:06:01.040 --> 1:06:03.240 I'm repeating myself over and over again. I can't think 1:06:03.240 --> 1:06:07.920 of other words that capture that, but self awareness. Self 1:06:07.920 --> 1:06:10.000 awareness doesn't really do it because self awareness kind of 1:06:10.040 --> 1:06:13.920 implies like selfishness, you know what I mean, a day 1:06:13.960 --> 1:06:18.360 at the spa, not that that's not something to be enjoyed. 1:06:18.440 --> 1:06:23.560 I could I could use sure my roof has been 1:06:23.640 --> 1:06:26.040 leaking for a month. Yeah, I want to go to 1:06:26.080 --> 1:06:29.400 the spot. That's okay, But that's not going to bring 1:06:29.440 --> 1:06:30.640 me lasting happiness. 1:06:30.920 --> 1:06:32.800 Well, I think that's the reality of it, right, Like 1:06:32.840 --> 1:06:37.320 when you look at your experience, there's this everyone's experience 1:06:37.360 --> 1:06:39.440 is this paradox where it's like you have the highest 1:06:39.480 --> 1:06:42.680 highs the lowest lows. You have a life that of 1:06:42.720 --> 1:06:45.680 course you need everyday self care, but there's also what 1:06:45.840 --> 1:06:49.040 is lasting happiness and these bigger questions we all live 1:06:49.080 --> 1:06:51.840 in this world, but we're not of this world. It's 1:06:51.880 --> 1:06:55.440 it's almost like everything that it makes more sense to 1:06:55.520 --> 1:06:59.320 recognize it's both and as opposed to either. 1:06:59.160 --> 1:07:01.480 Raw well, you have have to live in the paradox. Yeah, 1:07:01.560 --> 1:07:05.160 it's like the greatest amount of light is where there's darkness, 1:07:05.680 --> 1:07:08.160 and you can reveal the most amount of light when 1:07:08.200 --> 1:07:09.960 you're in a dark room. You turn on the light. 1:07:10.240 --> 1:07:13.600 When you're in a room that's already light, what do 1:07:13.680 --> 1:07:19.560 you There's no effort made, So should we look for darkness? 1:07:19.800 --> 1:07:21.960 You know what I mean? Should be but no, But 1:07:22.080 --> 1:07:24.800 when we are in that space where we're feeling dark, 1:07:24.840 --> 1:07:28.600 where we're feeling an absence of light, an absence of hope, 1:07:28.960 --> 1:07:32.840 an absence of inspiration of vision, then you have to 1:07:33.280 --> 1:07:37.480 Those are the moments, the challenging moments, where you say, 1:07:37.560 --> 1:07:41.280 you have to say to yourself, this is my opportunity 1:07:41.640 --> 1:07:46.040 to bring light to a dark place. You know, spiritual 1:07:46.080 --> 1:07:50.000 wisdom is not helpful when everything's going your way. It's 1:07:50.000 --> 1:07:54.760 helpful when you're challenged and when you're happy. It's it's 1:07:54.960 --> 1:07:59.440 helpful to remember that at any given time, in any moment, 1:08:01.000 --> 1:08:03.760 it could be gone. So don't take it for granted. 1:08:04.320 --> 1:08:08.200 Have humility, be grateful when things are going your way, 1:08:08.440 --> 1:08:11.800 and when you're being tested, also be grateful. That's a 1:08:11.800 --> 1:08:13.440 hard one. That was a hard one for me. It 1:08:13.560 --> 1:08:18.200 still is, but I'm glad that I know what I know. 1:08:19.920 --> 1:08:22.960 One of the key aspects of this beautiful study series 1:08:23.000 --> 1:08:26.280 that you've created is we've talked about some of the 1:08:26.280 --> 1:08:31.000 themes today. We've talked about karma, there's manifestation, there's desire, 1:08:31.360 --> 1:08:35.000 there's all of these themes that exist, and one of 1:08:35.000 --> 1:08:38.920 the big ones that really stood out to me was forgiveness. 1:08:39.760 --> 1:08:42.240 Because you know, when I listened to you today and 1:08:42.560 --> 1:08:45.080 I even watched the studies that you created that I'm 1:08:45.120 --> 1:08:48.320 hoping our audience will go and watch and appreciate and 1:08:48.640 --> 1:08:52.599 learn from as well. You've conquered and continue to try 1:08:52.600 --> 1:08:56.880 to conquer some really difficult emotions, like really really difficult things. 1:08:57.840 --> 1:09:01.280 And I feel like forgiven for us in the world 1:09:01.320 --> 1:09:04.920 today is probably one of the hardest things for us. 1:09:05.000 --> 1:09:07.639 Whether we've been betrayed, whether we've been lied to, whether 1:09:07.640 --> 1:09:11.200 we've been exploited, whether we've been taken advantage of. And 1:09:11.280 --> 1:09:14.439 we always hear the age old phrase of forgiveness is 1:09:14.479 --> 1:09:17.160 for you, it's not for them. And you hear these things, 1:09:17.200 --> 1:09:20.639 but it's my wait who says that it's I mean, 1:09:20.680 --> 1:09:23.960 it's common like verbiage that exists in the world at 1:09:24.040 --> 1:09:27.800 least of this idea that you know, don't hold on 1:09:27.840 --> 1:09:28.480 to grudges. 1:09:29.200 --> 1:09:32.760 Well, you shouldn't, We shouldn't, and it is ultimately liberating 1:09:32.800 --> 1:09:36.360 for us to forgive. But obviously the world benefits from 1:09:36.520 --> 1:09:40.639 our empathy, our ability to forgive. 1:09:41.040 --> 1:09:42.640 Talk to us about that conditioning. 1:09:43.520 --> 1:09:46.000 I'm a fighter. You know, if somebody messes with me, 1:09:46.080 --> 1:09:46.880 they're going to get it. 1:09:47.200 --> 1:09:48.400 That's I've always been like that. 1:09:48.600 --> 1:09:52.640 Yes, but you know, when things happen to you and 1:09:52.680 --> 1:09:55.400 there's not a tangible enemy that you can like put 1:09:55.439 --> 1:09:56.880 your finger on, like what are you going to do? 1:09:57.960 --> 1:10:03.680 You absolutely into radical exceptions, but you know there's there 1:10:03.720 --> 1:10:06.160 are things, you know, there are things that have happened 1:10:06.200 --> 1:10:08.280 to me in my life that I just thought I 1:10:08.280 --> 1:10:10.920 will never I will never forgive this person. I will 1:10:10.960 --> 1:10:15.120 never Now, I just don't. I don't want to have 1:10:15.160 --> 1:10:19.720 those feelings anymore because they're really it's a prison, and 1:10:19.760 --> 1:10:22.960 it's poison to not be able to forgive and to 1:10:23.040 --> 1:10:27.200 live in a state of like holding a grudge or 1:10:27.240 --> 1:10:31.640 hating someone or wanting them to suffer. It's like a 1:10:31.760 --> 1:10:34.360 kind of poison. It's like a kind of cancer. And 1:10:34.520 --> 1:10:37.400 that's why it's important to find a way to forgive, 1:10:37.479 --> 1:10:40.240 even people that you perceive as your biggest enemies for 1:10:40.280 --> 1:10:45.080 a really long time. It was my brother who died recently, 1:10:45.560 --> 1:10:49.559 because I think the hardest ones are the people that 1:10:49.600 --> 1:10:52.400 you feel like you're the like, they're you're the closest to, 1:10:52.520 --> 1:10:55.559 they're your greatest ally, and they turn on you. The 1:10:55.600 --> 1:10:57.360 people that hurt you the most are the people that 1:10:57.400 --> 1:11:01.280 you love the most. And when life doesn't go the 1:11:01.320 --> 1:11:03.879 way that you expected it to go, that you suddenly 1:11:03.960 --> 1:11:07.040 that this pain is unbearable and that you think what's 1:11:07.120 --> 1:11:10.160 going to save you is to think vengeful thoughts or 1:11:10.160 --> 1:11:11.960 to never forgive, like that's going to give you some 1:11:12.080 --> 1:11:16.040 kind of power, magical power. It doesn't just weighs you 1:11:16.080 --> 1:11:21.479 down and eats away at you and is poisonous. So 1:11:23.040 --> 1:11:25.360 having to forgive my brother, knowing that I had to 1:11:25.400 --> 1:11:27.920 forgive my brother, it was you know, it's like your 1:11:27.960 --> 1:11:31.360 ego dances around it like yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll get 1:11:31.400 --> 1:11:35.120 to it. I'll get to calling him up or talking 1:11:35.120 --> 1:11:37.880 to him or being his friend or helping him. But 1:11:38.000 --> 1:11:43.559 eventually I did. And I know I'm being mysterious. If 1:11:43.560 --> 1:11:47.680 someone you love deeply betrays you and does something that 1:11:48.479 --> 1:11:52.000 shows that they have no consciousness in that moment that 1:11:52.040 --> 1:11:55.680 they made that choice to do that, it's really it's 1:11:55.720 --> 1:11:58.840 a bitter pill for me to swallow. I can't speak 1:11:58.880 --> 1:12:01.920 for everyone, but I imagine that lots of people feel 1:12:01.920 --> 1:12:05.880 this way. For my brother, I didn't speak to him 1:12:05.920 --> 1:12:10.320 for you know, for years, years and years, and it 1:12:10.400 --> 1:12:16.040 was him being ill and reaching out to me and 1:12:16.120 --> 1:12:20.439 saying I need your help, and me having that moment 1:12:20.680 --> 1:12:24.960 like am I going to help my enemy? You know? 1:12:25.160 --> 1:12:25.840 That's how it fell. 1:12:26.160 --> 1:12:31.640 Yeah, And I just did, and I ended up and 1:12:32.080 --> 1:12:36.559 I felt so relieved, and it was such a load 1:12:36.680 --> 1:12:40.160 off my back, such a weight that was removed, baggage 1:12:40.240 --> 1:12:42.519 that I could put down to finally be able to 1:12:42.560 --> 1:12:44.639 be in a room with him and holding his hand 1:12:44.680 --> 1:12:48.160 even if he was dying, and saying I love you 1:12:48.320 --> 1:12:52.519 and I forgive you. That was really important. And that 1:12:52.720 --> 1:12:55.200 was another thing that I realized when I woke up 1:12:55.240 --> 1:12:59.040 in the hospital, forgiveness. That word came to my mind, 1:12:59.240 --> 1:13:02.679 like I have to forgive people because I was there, 1:13:03.160 --> 1:13:05.960 I was almost there on the other side, and I 1:13:07.120 --> 1:13:09.880 had a conscious moment and my mother appeared to me 1:13:10.640 --> 1:13:12.920 and she said, do you want to come with me? 1:13:13.800 --> 1:13:17.200 And I said no. My assistant was in the room 1:13:17.479 --> 1:13:20.320 with me, but I was still unconscious, but she heard 1:13:20.320 --> 1:13:24.559 me say no. And then when I did eventually wake up, 1:13:25.840 --> 1:13:30.040 I realized that the no was about me needing to 1:13:31.000 --> 1:13:36.960 forgive and make good with people that I still held 1:13:37.040 --> 1:13:43.240 grudges against. So and interestingly well, I wrote a song 1:13:43.240 --> 1:13:45.679 about him. I'm working on new music and I wrote 1:13:45.720 --> 1:13:48.640 a song called Fragile, which is about my brother. And 1:13:48.680 --> 1:13:51.640 then I wrote another song, and this is again just channeling. 1:13:52.240 --> 1:13:57.759 It's called forgive Yourself, but the repeating phrase the chorus 1:13:57.760 --> 1:13:59.800 of the song is if you can't forgive me, forgive 1:13:59.800 --> 1:14:03.559 your which is something we all have to do. We 1:14:03.640 --> 1:14:05.639 have to forgive others, but we also have to figure 1:14:06.000 --> 1:14:09.880 forgive ourselves and stop beating up on ourselves about things 1:14:10.080 --> 1:14:15.600 choices we've made in the past that haven't worked out 1:14:15.960 --> 1:14:20.960 for ourselves or other people. Taking responsibility again, we come 1:14:21.000 --> 1:14:23.720 back to that concept also, or that idea of being 1:14:23.760 --> 1:14:27.080 accountable and being responsible. Taking responsibility as a very big 1:14:27.720 --> 1:14:31.360 lesson that I learned studying Cabala is that I am responsible. 1:14:31.840 --> 1:14:36.960 I am responsible and every and I believe in personal accountability, 1:14:37.000 --> 1:14:40.880 personal karma, and I believe in global karma. Like a 1:14:40.920 --> 1:14:42.679 lot of the things that are happening in the world 1:14:42.800 --> 1:14:48.719 is as a result of our selfishness as people, as humans, 1:14:48.760 --> 1:14:52.519 as a society, we are responsible. You can't just sit 1:14:52.560 --> 1:14:54.479 in your room or your house or the safety of 1:14:54.520 --> 1:14:58.960 your home and go people are you know, they deserve 1:14:59.000 --> 1:15:06.080 it whatever to be aware and conscious that you're contributed 1:15:06.120 --> 1:15:12.559 in some way, shape or form. And at the same time, 1:15:13.200 --> 1:15:19.040 if we have collectively unconsciously evolved to a higher state 1:15:19.040 --> 1:15:23.599 of consciousness, we can change the world. But that also 1:15:23.640 --> 1:15:26.719 sounds like a cliche, but make the world a better place. 1:15:27.120 --> 1:15:30.960 Tip the balance, so to speak. But that's why I'm here, 1:15:31.600 --> 1:15:33.280 and that's why I'm talking to you, and that's why 1:15:33.320 --> 1:15:37.599 I made these This is why I documented my studies 1:15:37.640 --> 1:15:40.400 with my teacher, because I really believe that this wisdom 1:15:40.439 --> 1:15:42.880 can help other people in a very practical way, not 1:15:42.920 --> 1:15:46.280 in an esthetic way. And that's why I'm here. 1:15:47.720 --> 1:15:50.320 Thank you for sharing that and that journey you went 1:15:50.400 --> 1:15:53.880 on of forgiveness, because yeah, for you to be that 1:15:53.960 --> 1:15:57.519 honest and vulnerable and explain that that was someone that 1:15:57.560 --> 1:15:59.559 you felt was an enemy at that point, but the 1:15:59.600 --> 1:16:03.000 relief you felt from helping someone, I mean, that's like, 1:16:03.520 --> 1:16:06.040 you know, I'm thinking about the people that are listening 1:16:06.080 --> 1:16:10.920 and watching right now and the experience that they're having 1:16:10.960 --> 1:16:15.479 where they're really struggling to forgive themselves or forgive someone else, 1:16:16.640 --> 1:16:19.400 and looking at it from the point of view of 1:16:21.080 --> 1:16:23.600 what would that look like if you never got that opportunity. 1:16:24.680 --> 1:16:26.920 I know so many people who regret the last thing 1:16:26.960 --> 1:16:29.960 they said to their parents, or the last thing they 1:16:30.000 --> 1:16:33.120 said to a loved one, or whoever it may be, 1:16:34.120 --> 1:16:39.599 and it seems that vengeance and spite doesn't seem to 1:16:39.640 --> 1:16:40.320 heal the soul. 1:16:40.720 --> 1:16:47.160 Well, harsh words and harsh behavior is energy, and you 1:16:47.200 --> 1:16:52.240 can never take it back, but you can change your destiny, 1:16:52.320 --> 1:16:57.040 your karmic destiny, and one of those ways is to 1:16:57.280 --> 1:16:59.200 forgive others and forgive yourself. 1:17:00.000 --> 1:17:02.880 Oh No, You've been so gracious with your time, your energy, 1:17:02.880 --> 1:17:06.280 and vulnerability today. I feel like I've learned so much 1:17:06.320 --> 1:17:10.200 about you. I've very grateful to get and you said 1:17:10.240 --> 1:17:14.000 you repeated yourself, but I'd honestly say that I enjoyed 1:17:14.040 --> 1:17:17.920 that because it shows to me the good training is 1:17:17.960 --> 1:17:20.800 good repetition, And so if you have the same, if 1:17:20.840 --> 1:17:24.920 you have a similar mindset towards something, it's not in 1:17:24.960 --> 1:17:25.799 the material world. 1:17:26.000 --> 1:17:27.600 You only get good at something if you do it 1:17:27.600 --> 1:17:27.880 a lot. 1:17:27.960 --> 1:17:30.280 Yeah, in the material world we know that, but we 1:17:30.360 --> 1:17:33.320 often look at repeating as I have heard that before. 1:17:33.320 --> 1:17:37.200 I know that. But actually the thing we think we 1:17:37.320 --> 1:17:39.360 know the most is the thing we need to hear 1:17:39.840 --> 1:17:44.960 more often. And when I think about the detailed the vaders, 1:17:45.600 --> 1:17:48.240 you're the soul, not the body, is the most repeated lesson. 1:17:48.240 --> 1:17:50.960 It's the first lesson, but the most repeating. You're the soul, 1:17:51.040 --> 1:17:54.599 your consciousness, not the body. Yes, is repeated more than 1:17:54.640 --> 1:17:56.680 any other teaching, even though it's the most obvious, and 1:17:56.720 --> 1:17:58.000 it's the first teaching. 1:17:57.960 --> 1:18:01.479 Very obvious. But so look how attached we are psicicy. 1:18:00.960 --> 1:18:04.160 Exactly, so you need to repeat it. But I was 1:18:04.200 --> 1:18:06.479 thinking that this might be a perfect time because you've 1:18:06.479 --> 1:18:09.240 been referencing in this conversation. You've referenced your teachers so 1:18:09.280 --> 1:18:13.200 many times, and we're fortunate enough today to actually have 1:18:13.280 --> 1:18:16.680 the opportunity to invite him onto the show. And if 1:18:16.680 --> 1:18:18.000 you're open to it, I think this may be there 1:18:18.000 --> 1:18:21.920 would love shoure do it? Yeah, do it perfect a Don. 1:18:22.080 --> 1:18:24.479 I'm so grateful that we actually get to speak to you. 1:18:24.560 --> 1:18:28.040 Madonna's been talking about you the whole interview, and I 1:18:28.040 --> 1:18:29.719 want our audience to know. Of course, you were sitting 1:18:29.760 --> 1:18:32.519 in on our conversation as well, and so you have 1:18:32.600 --> 1:18:34.840 context of everything we talked about, and of course you 1:18:34.920 --> 1:18:38.439 have twenty nine years of context of everything Madonna shared 1:18:38.439 --> 1:18:41.160 with us over the last couple of hours. But thank 1:18:41.200 --> 1:18:42.519 you so much for doing this, and thank you for 1:18:42.560 --> 1:18:42.960 being here. 1:18:43.720 --> 1:18:46.800 Thank you for having the honor of being here and 1:18:46.920 --> 1:18:51.640 being part of really sharing these teachings. 1:18:51.920 --> 1:18:54.160 Yeah. Well, I was sharing with you earlier that my 1:18:54.280 --> 1:18:57.120 vision when I started my platform was to make wisdom 1:18:57.160 --> 1:19:01.719 go viral, especially ancient wisdom, and so this is truly 1:19:01.840 --> 1:19:04.760 my heart's work, and so thank you for the opportunity back. 1:19:05.240 --> 1:19:07.600 I want to dive in because we've heard about my 1:19:07.680 --> 1:19:11.160 daughter's journey and her journey to Kabbalah, but I would 1:19:11.160 --> 1:19:13.479 love to hear how you came to it, because I'm 1:19:13.479 --> 1:19:18.000 assuming everyone has their own spiritual journey of awakening or connecting, 1:19:18.479 --> 1:19:21.200 and I'm sure many of our listeners today are either 1:19:21.280 --> 1:19:23.680 on their spiritual journey want to start one, but I'd 1:19:23.720 --> 1:19:26.599 love to hear how did you come to this practice yourself. 1:19:27.640 --> 1:19:30.559 I started in a young age. I grew up in 1:19:30.600 --> 1:19:34.599 Israel in a non religious family, and from a young 1:19:34.680 --> 1:19:39.680 age I was asking questions about life. I think it 1:19:39.760 --> 1:19:42.840 came from the depth of my soul. It's beyond because 1:19:42.880 --> 1:19:47.400 someone taught me or anything. And when I was seventeen, 1:19:47.600 --> 1:19:51.320 my brother introduced me to Kabbala. I went to the 1:19:51.400 --> 1:19:55.080 Kabbala Center and I met my teacher for many years, 1:19:55.160 --> 1:20:00.320 the rough Berg, And after hearing one hour of a 1:20:00.439 --> 1:20:05.200 lesson of how the universe began and why are we here, 1:20:06.479 --> 1:20:11.360 it resonated in such a deep level. Literally I couldn't 1:20:11.400 --> 1:20:17.679 sleep for three nights and I felt I'm home. I 1:20:17.720 --> 1:20:23.400 felt I'm reconnecting to really my purpose, what life is about. 1:20:24.680 --> 1:20:28.640 And it took few years, and by the age of 1:20:28.920 --> 1:20:35.200 twenty one, I knew that's my mission in life. So basically, 1:20:35.640 --> 1:20:39.800 in the last forty years, that's what I'm doing all 1:20:39.920 --> 1:20:44.360 day long, student and a teacher. In the last forty years. 1:20:44.960 --> 1:20:47.880 That's beautiful. Like I was saying earlier, I felt like 1:20:47.920 --> 1:20:50.240 I came to my work when I was eighteen, and 1:20:50.320 --> 1:20:53.240 so I'm a couple of decades behind you in my journey, 1:20:53.240 --> 1:20:57.799 but that idea of discovering something earlier and it resonating 1:20:57.880 --> 1:21:00.559 so strongly with your heart and comming in your life 1:21:00.560 --> 1:21:04.400 to it. What was it like when you first met Madonna? 1:21:04.439 --> 1:21:06.160 What was that first interaction like? 1:21:06.200 --> 1:21:10.599 From your from your vantages, from your perspective, tell us about. 1:21:10.400 --> 1:21:14.559 I don't think she knows. But when Madonna's friend, which 1:21:14.680 --> 1:21:18.839 studied with me, called me and told me, I'm bringing 1:21:19.040 --> 1:21:24.519 Madonna to a class tonight forty people, so told her, 1:21:25.439 --> 1:21:28.280 you know, I never saw a picture of Madonna. I 1:21:28.320 --> 1:21:35.360 heard her name, so yeah, so don't worry, She'll sit 1:21:35.479 --> 1:21:38.000 in the back with me. So that's actually the first time. 1:21:38.200 --> 1:21:41.240 So you had no idea. You looked like no idea. 1:21:41.280 --> 1:21:43.679 I did have a clue those days. 1:21:43.680 --> 1:21:49.400 I was pretty NiFe you you were planned in. 1:21:49.640 --> 1:21:54.960 Yeah, I was totally innision and I didn't I heard 1:21:55.080 --> 1:21:59.000 the name Madonna, but didn't actually recognized. 1:21:59.600 --> 1:22:01.840 And then did you connect that evening? Was that well? 1:22:01.880 --> 1:22:06.120 That evening actually was said, Yeah, we sat in the 1:22:06.200 --> 1:22:09.200 conference room because we said it invents that will meet 1:22:10.680 --> 1:22:13.240 and Madonna was very suspicious of me. 1:22:15.120 --> 1:22:17.560 I can relate to that. 1:22:16.240 --> 1:22:26.000 What's the agenda here? What's happening. But listen, she had 1:22:26.080 --> 1:22:31.800 many students. But one of the amazing qualities of Madonna 1:22:32.800 --> 1:22:37.880 is perseverance, tenacities in the ups and downs. And trust me, 1:22:38.120 --> 1:22:42.120 I've experienced and seen a lot of ups and downs. 1:22:43.920 --> 1:22:51.759 But I always say, when you constantly nurturing your soul, 1:22:54.240 --> 1:22:57.599 your soul will guide you. Our soul is the part 1:22:57.680 --> 1:23:01.800 within us which knows all the all the answers that 1:23:02.000 --> 1:23:06.920 connected to the higher force twenty four to seven. It 1:23:07.040 --> 1:23:11.840 is our body, our logic, our ego, the layers in 1:23:11.880 --> 1:23:15.639 our hearts that's blocking us to see and to feel 1:23:16.520 --> 1:23:20.599 the truth. When you just agree with some spiritual concept 1:23:20.640 --> 1:23:23.360 and once in a while learning so wow, it's amazing. 1:23:23.400 --> 1:23:25.200 I love it. 1:23:25.200 --> 1:23:29.400 It's not enough. You need to nurture the soul that 1:23:29.400 --> 1:23:31.640 that light of the soul and that wisdom of the 1:23:31.760 --> 1:23:36.200 soul and that intuition that comes from the soul will 1:23:36.320 --> 1:23:41.080 channel back its energy to your life. Because the source 1:23:41.120 --> 1:23:44.519 of all protection and the source of all true joy 1:23:45.280 --> 1:23:52.200 come from the soul. So she has that an amazing 1:23:52.280 --> 1:23:58.840 and amazing attribute of tenacity and persecuting, not giving up 1:23:59.479 --> 1:24:00.200 no matter what. 1:24:00.720 --> 1:24:02.799 One of the reasons I liked going there is because 1:24:02.920 --> 1:24:05.280 it's like it was the only place where people didn't 1:24:05.280 --> 1:24:08.559 bother me about who I was. I literally sat in 1:24:08.600 --> 1:24:11.880 the back of a room with folding chairs. As I said, 1:24:11.920 --> 1:24:15.360 there was mostly men, and no one said a word 1:24:15.400 --> 1:24:17.280 to me, No one bothered me, no one said, oh 1:24:17.360 --> 1:24:18.640 my god, aren't you ma Donna? Can I have your 1:24:18.640 --> 1:24:21.200 autograph for like whatever? Like I just felt like I 1:24:21.200 --> 1:24:22.120 could be anonymous. 1:24:22.160 --> 1:24:25.040 There was that the first time you'd experienced that a 1:24:25.200 --> 1:24:26.160 new career that well. 1:24:26.360 --> 1:24:29.200 For a long time. Yeah, so with a large group 1:24:29.240 --> 1:24:33.080 of people and strangers. So I liked the anonymity of 1:24:33.280 --> 1:24:36.280 just being a student and going there and learning and 1:24:36.360 --> 1:24:38.960 it had nothing to do with my career or work 1:24:39.120 --> 1:24:43.040 or yeah, so that it was inviting. So I wanted 1:24:43.040 --> 1:24:45.000 to go back. And then I would always bring my 1:24:45.160 --> 1:24:49.720 notebook and take notes. And I have a zillion journals 1:24:49.760 --> 1:24:52.559 from all of my classes and studies. And I loved 1:24:52.600 --> 1:24:55.799 to be a student and learn, and I was learning 1:24:55.840 --> 1:24:58.880 so much, And I also was so what I loved 1:24:58.920 --> 1:25:02.120 so much about Kabal and studying Cabal, it was how 1:25:02.560 --> 1:25:08.240 in tune it was with science and quantum physics. And 1:25:08.280 --> 1:25:12.560 you know, it wasn't just just because you know what 1:25:12.640 --> 1:25:16.000 I mean, Like everything made sense to me, and I 1:25:16.000 --> 1:25:22.040 could see how you know, even the idea of you know, 1:25:22.120 --> 1:25:25.400 how the world was created, or the beginning of life, 1:25:25.560 --> 1:25:28.880 the idea of you know, Genesis, for instance, or the 1:25:28.920 --> 1:25:32.559 idea of Adam and Eve. I learned that nothing in 1:25:32.600 --> 1:25:35.360 life can be taken literally. You have to study the 1:25:35.400 --> 1:25:39.960 deeper meanings of everything. And that is true for a 1:25:40.000 --> 1:25:44.960 spiritual practice as well as science, as well as everything 1:25:45.000 --> 1:25:46.880 we do in life. You can't judge a book by 1:25:46.920 --> 1:25:50.519 its cover. You can't take things literally. And I was like, oh, Like, 1:25:50.880 --> 1:25:53.599 when I was growing up as a Catholic, I would 1:25:53.600 --> 1:25:56.720 always say to my father, well, why do we have 1:25:56.800 --> 1:25:58.519 to you know, why do we have to address this 1:25:58.600 --> 1:26:01.880 to church? Why does the you know, like you know, 1:26:01.960 --> 1:26:05.200 wear a hat, cavery your hat what like? There was 1:26:05.240 --> 1:26:09.160 no explanation for anything, and that really bugged me. So 1:26:09.240 --> 1:26:11.360 if you can't find a reason, if you can't explain 1:26:11.439 --> 1:26:15.280 something to me, I'm not interested. So he did explain 1:26:15.320 --> 1:26:17.960 things to me, and they all everything made sense. Nothing 1:26:18.040 --> 1:26:21.040 was silly. What we do study when we study Kabala 1:26:21.200 --> 1:26:26.320 is the we study the Zohar, and in within the 1:26:26.400 --> 1:26:32.960 Zohar is everything about life, about medicine, about science, about nature, 1:26:33.200 --> 1:26:42.280 about relationships, and that was really comforting to me to see. 1:26:42.640 --> 1:26:45.200 That's what helped me see life is not a series 1:26:45.240 --> 1:26:46.759 of random events. 1:26:47.760 --> 1:26:50.000 And you mentioned I mean as I'm listening to Madonna 1:26:50.000 --> 1:26:54.680 speak about this as well. You mentioned obviously you know 1:26:54.800 --> 1:26:59.439 this tradition is four thousand years old. How first book 1:26:59.479 --> 1:26:59.920 the difference? 1:27:00.320 --> 1:27:02.360 But it was before, it was before. 1:27:02.280 --> 1:27:04.760 Right, right ya? So it spread put into writing. Yeah, 1:27:04.840 --> 1:27:07.679 it was put into the technology books four thousand years ago. 1:27:08.200 --> 1:27:09.880 How did it come to be? Like, tell us a 1:27:09.920 --> 1:27:11.519 bit about the history of it so that we get 1:27:11.560 --> 1:27:13.639 some context of the tradition. 1:27:14.280 --> 1:27:18.920 Actually, the first book that was ever written in Kabbalah 1:27:19.000 --> 1:27:22.400 was three pages long. It's called the Book of Formation 1:27:22.640 --> 1:27:26.599 that was written by Love the Patriot, and it's reading 1:27:26.680 --> 1:27:29.400 in such a coded way and will not get any 1:27:29.479 --> 1:27:33.120 understand the secret of life and the wise ofe pages 1:27:33.479 --> 1:27:36.800 three pages. Yes, it's a lot of commentary, but yes, 1:27:37.000 --> 1:27:42.599 three pages. And then the main book of Kabbalah, after 1:27:42.840 --> 1:27:46.920 many kabalists teaching from one to another, was the Book 1:27:47.560 --> 1:27:50.400 of the Zoror or the Book of Splendor, that was 1:27:50.479 --> 1:27:57.799 revealed two thousand years ago. And the zor is actually 1:27:58.120 --> 1:28:04.559 decdified Torah codified the Bible and helping us to understand 1:28:04.560 --> 1:28:08.759 the Bible is not a book of stories or laws 1:28:09.800 --> 1:28:15.400 or religiosity or dogma. It's the secrets of life are 1:28:15.520 --> 1:28:19.920 hidden there, and the so haard the main book of 1:28:20.000 --> 1:28:23.439 which we have it today translated to English and to 1:28:23.560 --> 1:28:31.280 other languages. It's actually helping us to understand that everything 1:28:31.760 --> 1:28:36.040 in this world has a purpose and a reason. And 1:28:36.080 --> 1:28:39.880 if asking what really kabbale is about, Kabbala is about 1:28:39.960 --> 1:28:45.799 understanding the wise of life of the universe and why 1:28:45.840 --> 1:28:50.200 I'm here and what is my purpose? And why are 1:28:50.200 --> 1:28:53.599 we struggling? And what is the journey of our soul 1:28:54.320 --> 1:28:57.559 and where we came from? And if the Creator is 1:28:57.600 --> 1:29:02.400 such an infinite force of good and love out come, 1:29:02.439 --> 1:29:07.640 we all struggling either with pain, with doubts, with negativity, 1:29:07.760 --> 1:29:14.200 with selfishness. So that is the main book of Cabala, 1:29:14.240 --> 1:29:19.440 and of course was many Kabbalists throughout his story since then, 1:29:19.000 --> 1:29:24.160 that was we're able to bring Kabbalah down to us. 1:29:25.360 --> 1:29:30.519 And in nineteen seventy that's when the Cabbala Center started, 1:29:30.600 --> 1:29:33.080 which is opening the gates and the doors of Kabbala 1:29:33.560 --> 1:29:34.480 to all mankind. 1:29:51.360 --> 1:29:54.200 You're talking about the whys of life and that's the 1:29:54.320 --> 1:29:57.200 questions and the Sea King. Do you remember one of 1:29:57.200 --> 1:30:00.560 the first questions that Madonna enquired about our one of 1:30:00.640 --> 1:30:03.600 the first things that she was grappling with. What do 1:30:03.680 --> 1:30:04.120 you remember? 1:30:04.439 --> 1:30:09.080 I don't even remember, So I just I don't remember 1:30:09.160 --> 1:30:12.720 in what specific context. 1:30:13.400 --> 1:30:16.240 Also, I didn't study with him like this, Like I 1:30:16.280 --> 1:30:18.200 was just a student in the back of a class. 1:30:18.479 --> 1:30:20.400 It took a while got it. 1:30:20.360 --> 1:30:23.839 For us to like have one on one conversations. 1:30:24.880 --> 1:30:28.400 It took a year or two until we started, right 1:30:28.479 --> 1:30:31.479 to meet regularly once a week, right as well? Yeah, 1:30:31.520 --> 1:30:35.160 well so, but I think one of the one of 1:30:35.200 --> 1:30:41.639 the things that I remember speaking to Madonna, and this 1:30:41.720 --> 1:30:46.320 is a struggles that everybody have. So we get there's 1:30:46.360 --> 1:30:50.040 a higher power, call it God, call it the light, 1:30:50.360 --> 1:30:55.880 call it inself, endless energy of love, of giving, that 1:30:56.040 --> 1:31:01.360 is beyond time and space, and it's within us. Okay, 1:31:02.000 --> 1:31:07.120 So why does evil forget about outside even inside? Why 1:31:07.280 --> 1:31:13.719 do we have constantly destructive forces within each one of us? 1:31:14.360 --> 1:31:20.439 There's a constant chatter you wake up and gravity pulls 1:31:20.479 --> 1:31:26.160 you down. Why a lot of people study today how 1:31:26.200 --> 1:31:29.000 to overcome that negative force, But why there is a 1:31:29.040 --> 1:31:33.559 negative force within us? So one of the one of 1:31:33.600 --> 1:31:37.720 the basic understanding we're talking about it, it's as understanding 1:31:37.760 --> 1:31:44.960 that the greatest gift, the greatest gift the Creator gave us, 1:31:46.080 --> 1:31:53.519 is the opportunity to overcome the opponent within, because when 1:31:53.560 --> 1:31:59.800 you overcome, you become co creator. The reason why we 1:31:59.840 --> 1:32:04.799 do experience enough peace, enough light, enough fulfillment, It's very simple, 1:32:05.720 --> 1:32:09.120 Like trucks, like you want to experience the light, be 1:32:09.560 --> 1:32:13.679 like the light, be a being of sharing. But part 1:32:13.680 --> 1:32:17.080 of what the light is about, it's a creator. So 1:32:17.120 --> 1:32:21.040 the gift to overcome negativity within is the gift of 1:32:21.040 --> 1:32:25.400 being the creator. Imagine you were given everything. You're bond 1:32:25.479 --> 1:32:30.599 with talents, you're bonn with love, You're bone with just 1:32:30.720 --> 1:32:34.720 helping people all day long. That's your natural tendency. No 1:32:35.120 --> 1:32:39.680 negative force try to pull you down, no selfishness. Do 1:32:39.720 --> 1:32:44.040 you think you really will be able to actually experience 1:32:44.160 --> 1:32:47.200 and appreciate the force of the Creator, the force of love, 1:32:47.280 --> 1:32:50.000 the force of light, the force of true fulfillment. The 1:32:50.040 --> 1:32:56.559 answer is no. So while sometime we all upset, why 1:32:56.840 --> 1:33:01.960 I have this particular negative voice in my mind, and 1:33:02.000 --> 1:33:06.400 why do I have to struggle with abandonmenttissue? And why 1:33:06.520 --> 1:33:11.000 do I have to struggle with moments of sadness, at 1:33:11.000 --> 1:33:14.920 the moment you realize one second, this is the greatest 1:33:15.000 --> 1:33:17.200 gift to create. To give you doesn't mean you're right 1:33:17.240 --> 1:33:19.559 away or how to overcome it. Maybe we'll share some 1:33:19.600 --> 1:33:22.680 tools how to do it. But the fact that you 1:33:22.800 --> 1:33:27.080 accept the greatest gift in this world is the gift 1:33:27.160 --> 1:33:31.479 of overcoming. And it doesn't mean it has to be 1:33:31.600 --> 1:33:35.800 with suffering. Actually it doesn't mean. But the fact that 1:33:35.840 --> 1:33:42.160 you accept that opponent within you, it's actually was created 1:33:43.200 --> 1:33:45.640 by the light, by the universe, by the force of 1:33:45.720 --> 1:33:51.880 good to help us to grow. Imagine you bring spoke 1:33:51.920 --> 1:33:55.960 about soccer a little bit before. Imagine imagine you bring 1:33:56.000 --> 1:34:01.840 your kid to play soccer and you bring them in 1:34:01.880 --> 1:34:04.280 front of a goal and with the ball and say, 1:34:04.360 --> 1:34:06.400 now score. Will it be fun? 1:34:06.840 --> 1:34:07.160 Now? 1:34:07.400 --> 1:34:10.240 In its an opponent in either goalie, he needs to 1:34:10.240 --> 1:34:15.160 overcome simpthing. Without overcoming anything, will never have a sense 1:34:15.200 --> 1:34:19.320 of true fulfillment. And we're not talking about overcoming the 1:34:19.400 --> 1:34:24.160 external challenges which is part of life, but recognizing the 1:34:24.320 --> 1:34:28.120 unique challenges each one of us needs to overcome. We 1:34:28.240 --> 1:34:31.960 call it karma, we call it cabalistically tikoun. Each one 1:34:32.000 --> 1:34:37.520 of us have own unique areas of transformation, and everything 1:34:38.280 --> 1:34:43.280 that life presenting to us is to present these opportunities 1:34:43.280 --> 1:34:48.160 of overcoming and as a result, allow my soul to shine, 1:34:48.240 --> 1:34:53.600 my gifts to shine, my true purpose to shine. 1:34:53.840 --> 1:34:59.280 That's beautiful. I love hearing that. It's it's so interesting 1:34:59.320 --> 1:35:03.080 to hear how that which we believe to be the 1:35:03.120 --> 1:35:09.000 obstacle is actually the path. And it reminds me of 1:35:09.280 --> 1:35:13.200 and I know, Madonna, you studied the Geeta as well. 1:35:14.280 --> 1:35:19.080 Origins dilemma in the first chapter. So origins a warrior. 1:35:19.240 --> 1:35:22.559 He's an archer, to be specific. And he's in the 1:35:22.560 --> 1:35:26.639 middle of a battlefield and on one side is his brothers, 1:35:27.120 --> 1:35:29.720 and on the other side is his cousins, so it's 1:35:29.760 --> 1:35:35.160 all family, the opposing side and his side. And he's 1:35:35.680 --> 1:35:38.720 on his chariot in the middle of the battlefield, and 1:35:38.760 --> 1:35:42.080 he's talking to God and God is serving him as 1:35:42.120 --> 1:35:46.240 his charioteer. And what he's expressing to God is his doubt, 1:35:46.560 --> 1:35:50.120 his anxiety, and his insecurity. And that's how it begins. 1:35:50.120 --> 1:35:54.599 It begins from a place of doubt, stress, fear, pressure, 1:35:54.960 --> 1:35:58.160 which is what engages him to ask the question. And 1:35:58.240 --> 1:36:02.040 it's so interesting that we often think that doubt and 1:36:02.120 --> 1:36:05.920 anxiety and the problem, but often they are the seed 1:36:06.000 --> 1:36:09.320 of where the question comes from and why we even 1:36:09.360 --> 1:36:12.240 look up or look around and question what's happening in 1:36:12.280 --> 1:36:16.280 our lives. And it's almost like doubt is the direction 1:36:16.760 --> 1:36:21.320 and anxiety is beautiful, right, Like there's that's it's It's 1:36:21.320 --> 1:36:22.519 similar as I'm. 1:36:22.520 --> 1:36:25.080 Something else to wake you up, whether you need some 1:36:25.160 --> 1:36:28.320 kind of pressure, whether you're standing in front of a 1:36:28.360 --> 1:36:31.439 goal or you're, you know, trying to win a war. 1:36:32.120 --> 1:36:33.960 Well, your pressure was becoming a mom. 1:36:34.680 --> 1:36:39.800 Yes, it's yes, it was, you know, and coming to 1:36:39.880 --> 1:36:43.559 terms with you know is also you know, is my 1:36:43.720 --> 1:36:47.600 life is my life as as in my careers, you know, 1:36:48.120 --> 1:36:50.400 as an entertainer is going to change? Is it kind 1:36:50.400 --> 1:36:53.479 of is going to be over? Like I said, I 1:36:53.520 --> 1:36:57.040 associate motherhood with death, so it's like, what's going to 1:36:57.080 --> 1:37:01.200 happen to me? Like I needed to be rooted somewhere 1:37:01.240 --> 1:37:03.720 and I needed to have certainty. But you can't have 1:37:03.840 --> 1:37:06.360 certainty unless you start with doubt. 1:37:08.320 --> 1:37:12.800 Exactly like she mentioned before. We Donna mentioned before that 1:37:12.920 --> 1:37:19.760 the greatest light hiding beyond the greatest perception of darkness. 1:37:20.080 --> 1:37:23.839 So if darkness manifests it as fear or the unknown 1:37:24.120 --> 1:37:28.640 doubt or the uncertainty or the doubt or the weakness. 1:37:29.280 --> 1:37:32.519 So one of the practices is actually ability to pause 1:37:32.560 --> 1:37:35.040 and allow yourself to feel it for a second, because 1:37:35.080 --> 1:37:37.559 there's a great light hidden there. 1:37:38.360 --> 1:37:42.960 Yeah, what did you help? What do you remember helping 1:37:43.080 --> 1:37:44.880 or what advice would you have given to Madonna at 1:37:44.880 --> 1:37:48.000 that time to help her connect the dots. I think 1:37:48.080 --> 1:37:50.640 the phrase that she's repeated a few times in this 1:37:50.720 --> 1:37:54.599 conversation of seeing motherhood as death is such a strong statement, 1:37:54.720 --> 1:37:58.680 but it makes so much sense from your experience when 1:37:58.720 --> 1:38:02.000 you connect the dots. How would you encourage How did 1:38:02.040 --> 1:38:03.840 you encourage her to reflect on that? 1:38:04.479 --> 1:38:09.120 So we didn't necessarily speak about that concept, but about 1:38:09.280 --> 1:38:14.400 other challenges and fears and perceived. 1:38:14.200 --> 1:38:17.720 Pain, abandonment. We talked about that a lot. 1:38:17.960 --> 1:38:19.840 Abandonment absolutely. 1:38:19.880 --> 1:38:22.680 I think, well, so you don't want to love or 1:38:22.720 --> 1:38:27.639 be in love or be attached, feel attachment because then 1:38:27.680 --> 1:38:31.479 you could get hurt. So that was a big issue 1:38:31.560 --> 1:38:35.360 for me, Like I'm good on my own, because a 1:38:35.439 --> 1:38:39.479 warrior surviving, like, don't with me, I don't need help, 1:38:39.640 --> 1:38:42.360 I don't need any help, Like I'm good, but then 1:38:42.439 --> 1:38:44.880 you need help and then it's hard, like to say 1:38:44.920 --> 1:38:51.600 it and say I I I'm doubting myself. I'm I'm 1:38:52.400 --> 1:38:54.080 I don't feel it like a warrior. 1:38:54.760 --> 1:38:58.599 Yeah, that's yeah, it's it's it's argentous dilemma. He's the 1:38:58.600 --> 1:39:02.920 greatest archer of his time, yet his bow is slipping 1:39:02.960 --> 1:39:06.600 from his hands because he's like, I can't shoot an 1:39:06.720 --> 1:39:10.519 arrow and he's the best. And that feeling of I 1:39:10.520 --> 1:39:13.160 think we all have that, Like you so beautifully talked 1:39:13.160 --> 1:39:16.439 about Aytown, this idea that we've been given so many gifts, 1:39:17.320 --> 1:39:18.800 with so many talents, and I think a lot of 1:39:18.840 --> 1:39:22.880 our audience today in the world people have forgotten the 1:39:22.880 --> 1:39:25.600 gifts that they have, and then we often get into 1:39:26.040 --> 1:39:30.519 this feeling of low self esteem. You know, we don't 1:39:30.520 --> 1:39:33.960 feel worthy, we don't feel we have a purpose. And 1:39:34.040 --> 1:39:36.120 I feel like that's what the world is today. A 1:39:36.120 --> 1:39:38.160 lot of people who are listening and watching today probably 1:39:38.160 --> 1:39:41.639 feel like they don't have something to offer, or maybe 1:39:41.640 --> 1:39:43.920 they know kind of what they have to offer, but 1:39:43.960 --> 1:39:48.000 they don't feel confident enough. What would your teachings, in 1:39:48.040 --> 1:39:50.599 some of your guidance say to those kind of people 1:39:50.640 --> 1:39:53.439 who are sitting there thinking, I kind of you know, 1:39:53.479 --> 1:39:56.439 I don't have that confidence in myself I don't I 1:39:56.479 --> 1:39:58.479 don't really know what I'm going to do, and they're 1:39:58.520 --> 1:39:59.160 feeling stuck. 1:40:00.080 --> 1:40:05.799 Thing like Madonna mentioned, she felt weak, she didn't felt 1:40:06.680 --> 1:40:14.240 her personality of being a warrior. So there's a big 1:40:14.280 --> 1:40:17.879 difference between personality and soul strength. 1:40:18.280 --> 1:40:20.960 Talk to us about the difference. Yeah, what's the difference 1:40:21.000 --> 1:40:21.880 between personality. 1:40:22.720 --> 1:40:28.639 So Madonna always been a warrior, that's her personality that 1:40:28.720 --> 1:40:32.240 she grew, she did, that's part of her gifts. But 1:40:32.400 --> 1:40:37.960 it's not necessarily mean that she'll channel a warrior's attributes 1:40:38.360 --> 1:40:43.640 in a soulful way. But we identify with that. I'm 1:40:43.680 --> 1:40:46.639 a warrior. When i'm a warrior, I'm strong when i'm strong, 1:40:46.920 --> 1:40:50.880 I'm happy when i'm strong, I'm meaningful when i'm strong. 1:40:51.120 --> 1:40:54.360 I met her, and when suddenly you go through a 1:40:54.439 --> 1:40:58.720 situation that threatened that ability to be a warrior, to 1:40:58.800 --> 1:41:04.520 be strong, to be independent, suddenly you feel fear and emptiness. 1:41:04.640 --> 1:41:07.839 And what I would recommend, what I would share with Madonna, 1:41:07.880 --> 1:41:15.160 would recommend anybody, in order to find your strength, start 1:41:16.240 --> 1:41:21.640 with the challenges of today. It's not about finding my 1:41:21.880 --> 1:41:27.280 purpose in the future. And let's break it down to 1:41:27.520 --> 1:41:28.479 simple such a. 1:41:28.479 --> 1:41:31.080 Great points, such a great point it's brilliant. 1:41:30.840 --> 1:41:36.799 Simple four steps. How do I handle a challenge today? 1:41:38.520 --> 1:41:40.600 So step number one, I just want to before you 1:41:40.680 --> 1:41:44.080 driving the steps die is beautiful. I absolutely love that mindset. 1:41:44.120 --> 1:41:46.559 I think it's such a great hope everyone who's listening 1:41:46.560 --> 1:41:50.639 to watching right now. It's such great advice because we're 1:41:50.680 --> 1:41:54.720 so fixated on finding, discovering, looking for the answer at 1:41:54.840 --> 1:41:57.639 some point in the future, and it just keeps feeling 1:41:57.680 --> 1:42:01.040 postponed and further away. And I love what you're saying 1:42:01.080 --> 1:42:02.960 is that the challenge in front of you right now 1:42:03.080 --> 1:42:05.320 is the exactly It's beautiful. 1:42:05.320 --> 1:42:07.839 How do you connect to the light, with the energy, 1:42:08.040 --> 1:42:11.160 with your soul, with the blessing that available in this 1:42:11.479 --> 1:42:11.960 very moment? 1:42:12.120 --> 1:42:12.320 Good? 1:42:12.840 --> 1:42:17.120 Sorry, Yeah, And that will lead to other blessings that 1:42:17.240 --> 1:42:23.080 will open doors that will attract clarity. We face the 1:42:23.200 --> 1:42:27.800 challenge all of us. It can be challenge at work, 1:42:27.920 --> 1:42:30.320 it can be challenge at all. It can be just 1:42:31.240 --> 1:42:34.280 I start to compare myself to someone else and it 1:42:34.400 --> 1:42:39.400 triggers lack all of us. Doesn't matter how spiritual we are, 1:42:40.080 --> 1:42:43.639 and doesn't matter how successful are guilty, We'll have at 1:42:43.720 --> 1:42:48.040 least a hundred times a day lack will be triggered 1:42:48.120 --> 1:42:50.439 fear today even today. 1:42:51.080 --> 1:42:53.120 Yeah, absolutely. 1:42:55.040 --> 1:42:58.880 So the comparison game at least hundred times a day. 1:42:58.920 --> 1:43:01.760 I mean, that's the social media for really to make 1:43:01.800 --> 1:43:06.240 you feel bad about yourself unless you recognize that that 1:43:06.439 --> 1:43:11.120 is an illusion, that's not reality or doll an opportunity, right, 1:43:11.720 --> 1:43:14.840 an opportunity for me to not engage. 1:43:14.760 --> 1:43:17.280 Exactly and to actually find light in the moment. 1:43:17.920 --> 1:43:20.360 We just actually to conquer your fear in that moment, 1:43:20.720 --> 1:43:23.599 or to conquer your repetitive behavior of oh my god, 1:43:23.640 --> 1:43:25.360 I wish I had that. Oh my god, I wish 1:43:25.400 --> 1:43:26.840 I was that person. Oh my god, I wish that 1:43:26.880 --> 1:43:29.320 my life was like that person's life, Like if only 1:43:29.360 --> 1:43:31.960 I had dot dot dot. You know, it's like to 1:43:32.040 --> 1:43:34.920 stop yourself in that moment and conquer that moment, which 1:43:35.000 --> 1:43:40.960 is I'm good enough, I am everything that I need. 1:43:41.120 --> 1:43:45.920 I am I I I embody it. I just have 1:43:46.000 --> 1:43:49.320 to reveal it. But that's a that's a really hard one, 1:43:49.880 --> 1:43:53.360 I think, especially for women, you know, because we are 1:43:53.360 --> 1:43:56.519 a conditioned to like want to aspire to be this 1:43:56.680 --> 1:44:01.120 beautiful or this great of a mother or you know, 1:44:01.240 --> 1:44:03.760 this grade of a homemaker or this grade of a 1:44:04.360 --> 1:44:07.120 you know, it's a test every day to not judge 1:44:07.160 --> 1:44:11.240 yourself and to not like feel like you're lacking in 1:44:11.280 --> 1:44:15.559 some way, like you say, and when I say my prayers, 1:44:15.760 --> 1:44:19.080 part of my prayer is that I rise above my 1:44:19.120 --> 1:44:24.640 limitations and that I rise above my nature, and that 1:44:24.720 --> 1:44:28.439 I don't get sucked into the vortex of lack which 1:44:28.520 --> 1:44:33.200 can come in so many different forms and tune into you. 1:44:33.360 --> 1:44:35.960 Just you really have to be consciously like going like 1:44:36.000 --> 1:44:40.400 your head is a radio dial like going like like like, no, 1:44:40.479 --> 1:44:42.479 I'm not that's not me, you know what I mean. 1:44:43.400 --> 1:44:47.960 It's constant. It's a constant conversation you're having with yourself. 1:44:48.200 --> 1:44:48.639 Yeah. 1:44:49.280 --> 1:44:51.519 So true. So that's a really reliable problem. 1:44:51.560 --> 1:44:55.519 And it requires work, and it requires paying attention and 1:44:55.560 --> 1:44:59.840 being aware. And we also get caught up in wh 1:45:00.120 --> 1:45:03.519 We live in a world is distraction, right, so easy 1:45:03.520 --> 1:45:06.200 to get distracted. It doesn't mean you're not supposed to 1:45:06.240 --> 1:45:08.120 have fun, Like right now, I really want to have fun, 1:45:09.040 --> 1:45:10.840 but not that you're not fun. 1:45:11.240 --> 1:45:13.160 Oh we're not having fun. I think we're having fun. 1:45:13.880 --> 1:45:17.879 But yeah, it's just we live in a world of distraction, 1:45:17.960 --> 1:45:20.439 so it's so easy to get caught pulled off the 1:45:20.479 --> 1:45:24.240 track of you know what am I doing? What am 1:45:24.280 --> 1:45:26.120 I doing right now? What am I doing to myself? 1:45:26.200 --> 1:45:29.479 Like I'm I'm I'm already there. I got caught, you 1:45:29.520 --> 1:45:33.680 know what I mean by the seed of doubt and 1:45:33.760 --> 1:45:39.839 self judgment and comparing and I'm not good enough. Therefore 1:45:39.840 --> 1:45:42.439 I'm going to be in a bad mood. I'm going 1:45:42.520 --> 1:45:45.559 to shout at my child or you know what I mean. 1:45:45.600 --> 1:45:50.280 It's like takes so many different forms, and like the 1:45:50.320 --> 1:45:51.760 greatest thing in the world is to be able to 1:45:51.800 --> 1:45:58.520 stop yourself before that happens. But it does require constant vigilance. 1:45:58.760 --> 1:46:01.719 Yeah, absolutely amazing to hear you say that you still 1:46:01.760 --> 1:46:05.760 feel that way. Yeah, that's helpful and validating for all. 1:46:05.680 --> 1:46:07.840 Of that's part of the path of transformation. 1:46:08.960 --> 1:46:09.920 Sorry, back to the tool. 1:46:10.040 --> 1:46:17.920 Yes, so really because without what is lack is the 1:46:17.960 --> 1:46:23.000 illusion that there's no force of good, you're not protected, 1:46:23.640 --> 1:46:33.920 you're not loved, you alone, you're said, you're disconnected, and 1:46:34.000 --> 1:46:39.400 the practice to overcome that, not just in meditation throughout 1:46:39.439 --> 1:46:46.400 the day, which is very powerful. Step number one, as 1:46:46.439 --> 1:46:52.640 you face the challenge before you get as the reactive 1:46:52.840 --> 1:46:59.799 process of lack and negative thoughts, tell yourself say these words, pause, 1:47:00.479 --> 1:47:04.280 what an opportunity I don't know why. It's an opportunity, 1:47:05.600 --> 1:47:09.799 but I know every moment of flack it's a gift 1:47:09.920 --> 1:47:13.160 from the universe to help me to reveal greater light 1:47:13.240 --> 1:47:17.960 and a blessing in my life. Step number two, don't 1:47:18.000 --> 1:47:26.800 fix it yet. Embrace what is. Embrace the difficult feelings, 1:47:27.160 --> 1:47:31.800 because in order to find light in darkness, you need 1:47:31.840 --> 1:47:35.520 to be there with courage a little bit in darkness. 1:47:35.600 --> 1:47:38.240 We want to fix right away. We want to get 1:47:38.320 --> 1:47:40.760 rid of what bothers us. We want to get rid 1:47:40.840 --> 1:47:43.760 of the fear. We want to get rid of the insecurities. 1:47:45.040 --> 1:47:49.680 We can stand it. We don't like the discomfort, And 1:47:49.720 --> 1:47:51.320 how do we want to get rid of it? By 1:47:51.400 --> 1:47:58.479 being reactive, by blaming, by judging ourselves, by jumping after 1:47:58.560 --> 1:48:07.880 opportunity for insectifications, by being self destructive. Pause, Embrace It's okay, 1:48:08.560 --> 1:48:11.719 And part of the reason of study is developing trust. 1:48:11.880 --> 1:48:16.400 It's okay. Embrace first what is, and then go to 1:48:16.439 --> 1:48:17.160 the next level. 1:48:17.200 --> 1:48:20.519 And when you say embrace, do you mean to meet 1:48:20.560 --> 1:48:24.160 it positively? In that? To me as it is to 1:48:24.400 --> 1:48:27.920 allow it? Yeah, to allow it because it's in it. 1:48:28.840 --> 1:48:31.920 Allow it, not because I want to stay there. Because 1:48:31.920 --> 1:48:36.400 that's part of the process of revealing the great light 1:48:36.479 --> 1:48:37.120 of my soul. 1:48:37.320 --> 1:48:41.000 Yeah, it almost feels that. Often what happens is because 1:48:41.040 --> 1:48:43.280 we've tried to go to the light so much. Sorry, 1:48:44.080 --> 1:48:46.960 it often feels that because we've tried to go to 1:48:47.000 --> 1:48:48.720 the light so much, we don't know how to sit 1:48:48.760 --> 1:48:51.120 in the darkness. We want to go to the goods 1:48:51.120 --> 1:48:52.960 so quickly, we don't know how to sit in the bad. 1:48:53.200 --> 1:48:58.719 That's when you develop strength. And there's a concept cableist discomfort. Yeah, 1:48:58.800 --> 1:49:06.040 there's a concept cabalist call certainty beyond logic, explaining I'm 1:49:06.160 --> 1:49:10.519 trusting even though I don't feel it, and it doesn't 1:49:10.560 --> 1:49:16.160 make sense that actually I'm led towards anything positive, but 1:49:16.200 --> 1:49:21.680 I'm trusting beyond logic that this experience is for my 1:49:21.920 --> 1:49:27.880 best even if I'm guilty and feeling horrible about mistakes 1:49:27.960 --> 1:49:30.160 that I've done. 1:49:30.400 --> 1:49:30.960 It's okay. 1:49:32.120 --> 1:49:34.040 You're going to get to the part of learning the lesson. 1:49:34.080 --> 1:49:38.240 Don't fix it, don't erase it. Certainty beyond logic, so 1:49:40.400 --> 1:49:48.280 the part of embrace it, allow and then you're ready 1:49:48.280 --> 1:49:52.160 to the next step, which is telling yourself because our 1:49:52.280 --> 1:49:56.439 belief system tells us it's a moment of darkness, there's 1:49:56.439 --> 1:49:57.959 no light here, there's no good. 1:49:57.800 --> 1:50:00.760 Here, there's no there's no love here, there's no light here. 1:50:01.120 --> 1:50:04.439 So you need to tell yourself all the light that 1:50:04.520 --> 1:50:09.280 I need is within me. Now, just tell yourself doesn't 1:50:09.320 --> 1:50:13.640 make sense. Logic doesn't agree, the heart doesn't agree. But 1:50:13.720 --> 1:50:17.719 that's the job of this world to allow the thoughts, 1:50:17.840 --> 1:50:20.439 the stream of energy that come from the soul to 1:50:20.680 --> 1:50:24.719 influence gradually the mind and the heart and the body. 1:50:25.680 --> 1:50:28.719 And again and again again, tell yourself, all the light 1:50:28.960 --> 1:50:32.280 I need is within me in mouth, I'm certain beyond 1:50:32.360 --> 1:50:39.040 logic it's for my best. And then show me the 1:50:39.040 --> 1:50:42.240 way the light the universe. What's the when you feel 1:50:42.320 --> 1:50:48.800 less reactive? Because usually when we experience lack, we reactive. 1:50:49.200 --> 1:50:50.800 We want to get rid of the luck, we want 1:50:50.840 --> 1:50:52.840 to get rid of the fact. And that's what's caused, 1:50:52.840 --> 1:50:57.479 I think, what's caused evil behavior between people not knowing 1:50:57.560 --> 1:51:00.280 how to handle moments of luck. That's where it's art. 1:51:01.080 --> 1:51:06.759 So forget about others. Let's start with ourselves. And sometimes 1:51:06.800 --> 1:51:09.800 we'll fix the lack because someone will tell us, whow 1:51:09.920 --> 1:51:14.360 you're an amazing person and love you so much, and 1:51:14.400 --> 1:51:17.839 how we feel good? And I fixed it. I forgot 1:51:17.840 --> 1:51:20.720 about my lack. I forgot about my insecurity. Actually, I 1:51:20.720 --> 1:51:26.759 am amazing are you? By developing true muscles and skills 1:51:26.840 --> 1:51:28.840 to find the light within or you want to be 1:51:28.880 --> 1:51:33.400 attached to the external energy that will fix you will 1:51:33.439 --> 1:51:37.479 never work. And of course when you in that place, 1:51:38.960 --> 1:51:44.160 actions of giving, even if it doesn't make sense calling someone, 1:51:44.920 --> 1:51:49.559 adding value to someone, being kind to someone also help 1:51:49.640 --> 1:51:53.760 you to shift your energy towards the vibration of the soul, 1:51:54.120 --> 1:51:59.120 towards the vibration of the light. But we all need 1:51:59.160 --> 1:52:04.400 to go to this. Yeah, you know, some people would 1:52:04.400 --> 1:52:11.520 call it mental illness, but we all have that mental struggle. 1:52:12.920 --> 1:52:17.000 We all have that mental struggle in feelings and in 1:52:17.040 --> 1:52:20.639 our minds. So it's a it's actually it's a it's 1:52:20.640 --> 1:52:25.960 a daily perhaps transform, it's a daily practice and when 1:52:25.960 --> 1:52:30.600 you have the courage and you study enough depth that 1:52:30.880 --> 1:52:35.479 support the understanding that the light is never gone. Yeah, 1:52:35.520 --> 1:52:38.479 it's my perception I see the light. I don't see 1:52:38.479 --> 1:52:42.040 the light that is causing me to feel the light 1:52:42.080 --> 1:52:46.439 is disappear. And I'm small and I'm not enough, and 1:52:46.520 --> 1:52:49.600 I'm not capable and I'm not confident. 1:52:50.800 --> 1:52:55.000 Yeah, that really resonates very strongly because I feel like 1:52:56.439 --> 1:53:00.200 when you're first reading this new script, you don't believe it. 1:53:00.880 --> 1:53:02.960 And that's why, as you're saying, the regular study is 1:53:03.000 --> 1:53:06.639 almost like reading a script consistently, a new script because 1:53:06.680 --> 1:53:08.679 already reading the old script of I'm not good enough, 1:53:08.720 --> 1:53:12.760 I'm not capable enough, I belong whatever it may be. 1:53:13.400 --> 1:53:17.120 But the online that I really loved that resonated with me, 1:53:17.160 --> 1:53:18.840 which I want to ask you about, Madonna, is the 1:53:19.280 --> 1:53:22.920 trust beyond logic, because I think that's the phase that 1:53:22.960 --> 1:53:26.320 most of us give up because we are living in 1:53:26.360 --> 1:53:32.800 a logical, functional, material world where if a train's not coming, 1:53:32.800 --> 1:53:36.120 you would leave this station. But here the trust beyond 1:53:36.160 --> 1:53:39.240 logic is now, I'm still going to wait here, or 1:53:39.240 --> 1:53:41.040 I'm going to act in a certain way, or I'm 1:53:41.240 --> 1:53:43.320 going to change these behaviors. Madonna, when did you have 1:53:43.400 --> 1:53:47.639 to practice trust beyond logic in your life? The most 1:53:47.720 --> 1:53:48.680 where you I. 1:53:48.640 --> 1:53:52.160 Mean, every challenge I've ever had, once I became aware 1:53:52.240 --> 1:53:56.200 that I had the power to do that, And like 1:53:56.800 --> 1:54:02.640 making art, creation is there's nothing to do with being logical, 1:54:03.520 --> 1:54:05.920 doesn't have anything to do with the logical part of 1:54:05.960 --> 1:54:09.880 your brain. You can't measure it, you can't predict it, 1:54:09.960 --> 1:54:16.880 you can't control it. You have to allow it. So 1:54:17.600 --> 1:54:22.120 I would say that Challenger is like happening on a 1:54:22.200 --> 1:54:27.000 daily basis, Like even now, like I told you, you know, 1:54:27.400 --> 1:54:29.120 there's a pipe that bursts in the middle of my 1:54:29.200 --> 1:54:32.280 house and it's like creating havoc and all I was 1:54:32.320 --> 1:54:34.640 so excited to come to London, to be in my 1:54:34.680 --> 1:54:41.000 house in London, and everything's gone wrong, and I'm like, okay, 1:54:41.280 --> 1:54:44.320 So there has to be a reason for it. I 1:54:44.360 --> 1:54:48.240 can't just sit here and like be angry or upset, 1:54:48.720 --> 1:54:55.560 like there's a illogical wisdom to everything that's happening. If 1:54:55.600 --> 1:54:59.320 that's not being attached to material things, then that could 1:54:59.360 --> 1:55:02.680 be an option. If that's because all these things are broken, 1:55:02.960 --> 1:55:05.080 I need to spend more time doing something else it's 1:55:05.120 --> 1:55:07.280 more important, then that's you know what I mean. There's 1:55:07.320 --> 1:55:13.560 always a reason for something so and you can't logically 1:55:14.120 --> 1:55:17.600 figure it out. Like I wish that I could have 1:55:17.760 --> 1:55:22.400 seen ten years I had that my son was going 1:55:22.480 --> 1:55:26.040 to be my best friend. I was trying to make 1:55:26.320 --> 1:55:30.040 logical sense of everything, you know what I mean. 1:55:30.280 --> 1:55:30.520 So. 1:55:31.920 --> 1:55:34.840 I wish that I knew then what I know now. 1:55:36.120 --> 1:55:39.520 So there's always Then there's big struggles in little struggles, 1:55:39.560 --> 1:55:44.400 like you can't logically explain things like especially like I 1:55:44.440 --> 1:55:49.600 always use art as a as an example, because I 1:55:49.600 --> 1:55:52.560 can tell you that ninety nine percent of the time 1:55:52.600 --> 1:55:58.240 when I'm writing lyrics or singing a melody, I'm not 1:55:58.440 --> 1:56:04.120 thinking about it logic. If I think it's gone or 1:56:04.120 --> 1:56:22.160 it doesn't come to me, I. 1:56:22.040 --> 1:56:24.760 Want to ask you a ton based on that. As 1:56:24.760 --> 1:56:28.800 Madonna said, she waited ten years to see that experience 1:56:28.880 --> 1:56:33.640 of you know, her son becoming her best friend. I 1:56:33.680 --> 1:56:40.120 think a lot of people wonder how is the reason 1:56:40.240 --> 1:56:43.920 revealed or received? How do we know? Because like you said, 1:56:43.960 --> 1:56:46.200 it's trust beyond logic, and logic is like if I 1:56:46.240 --> 1:56:48.240 do this, then this will happen. And this is like 1:56:48.600 --> 1:56:50.560 my pipe's a burst. If I call the guy, he'll 1:56:50.560 --> 1:56:52.120 come and fix it, right, Like, that's the kind of 1:56:52.160 --> 1:56:55.400 way our brain works when we're trusting beyond logic. It 1:56:55.440 --> 1:56:57.640 could take ten years to receive a reason, It could 1:56:57.640 --> 1:57:01.040 take twenty years. It could take fifty years to really 1:57:01.160 --> 1:57:05.960 have a revelation on something. How is it often revealed 1:57:06.080 --> 1:57:10.280 or received when it's not based on logic? So that 1:57:10.360 --> 1:57:11.880 makes sense, Yes, it makes sense. 1:57:11.920 --> 1:57:15.080 What you're asking. Number one is when things don't go 1:57:15.360 --> 1:57:21.960 your way, and of course, sometimes we need to do 1:57:22.120 --> 1:57:26.160 practical action to make things better and to fix things. 1:57:26.160 --> 1:57:30.160 But sometimes it's out of our control. Things don't go 1:57:30.640 --> 1:57:34.480 our way, like the situation with the experience of Madonna 1:57:34.480 --> 1:57:41.640 shared so certainty be on logic is that the struggle 1:57:41.760 --> 1:57:48.360 that I'm going through is for my best, but it 1:57:48.440 --> 1:57:52.760 doesn't allow me to be self destructive because if I 1:57:52.920 --> 1:57:56.160 want to speed up the process that I see the 1:57:56.280 --> 1:58:01.160 light at the end of the tunnel, I need to 1:58:01.200 --> 1:58:04.680 strengthen and we need friends, you need teachings, you need 1:58:04.720 --> 1:58:10.280 the right support to actually trust the universe loves you 1:58:10.520 --> 1:58:13.800 and it's for the good as difficult it is. But 1:58:13.880 --> 1:58:17.240 then you need to ask a second question when you're ready, 1:58:17.840 --> 1:58:22.240 when you're not as reactive, what's my lesson? Why is 1:58:22.280 --> 1:58:27.400 it in my movie? And sometimes the answer is simple. 1:58:28.280 --> 1:58:34.680 Every time we experience rejection, what is rejection? Things don't 1:58:34.720 --> 1:58:39.520 go our way? It purifies us because our mind and 1:58:39.560 --> 1:58:46.480 our heart it's so attached to happiness, is when this 1:58:46.520 --> 1:58:50.839 will happen, which is not necessarily the big picture happiness 1:58:50.920 --> 1:58:56.520 what really good for me? Yeah, So when you actually 1:58:56.600 --> 1:59:01.640 realize that actually that's a purification process and you open 1:59:01.720 --> 1:59:05.160 and you allow it to happen because all of us 1:59:06.240 --> 1:59:11.240 are not aligned with the true desire of the universe. 1:59:11.280 --> 1:59:14.920 If it would be aligned, we would be joyful every 1:59:14.960 --> 1:59:20.160 second and we will be giving unconditionally every second, and 1:59:20.240 --> 1:59:22.760 we'll think all day long, how can I add value 1:59:22.800 --> 1:59:25.240 to others? And because we are not there, and that's 1:59:25.280 --> 1:59:28.880 part of the gift of life gradual transformation. We need 1:59:28.960 --> 1:59:33.480 moments of rejection. But when you question, you said, where 1:59:33.480 --> 1:59:37.320 am I to attached? What's my lesson? What do I 1:59:37.400 --> 1:59:41.880 need to let go? That will support to speed up 1:59:41.920 --> 1:59:46.880 the process of seeing the light. Because every fruit in 1:59:46.960 --> 1:59:53.840 order to become sweet and ripe is first hour. There's 1:59:53.880 --> 1:59:59.400 a process. Actually, the bottomist would say that more sour 1:59:59.600 --> 2:00:04.720 the fruit in the process sweeter at the end. It's 2:00:04.760 --> 2:00:07.200 so easy to throw the sour fruit and to say 2:00:07.200 --> 2:00:12.240 it's a bad fruit. But if you're able to allow 2:00:12.760 --> 2:00:15.919 this process, and you need a lot of spiritual strength, 2:00:16.960 --> 2:00:24.240 because culture, society, our body, our mind is prone to 2:00:24.320 --> 2:00:30.360 react and to decide it's bad. That constant conversation in 2:00:30.440 --> 2:00:35.000 our mind, it's good, it's bad, I'm good, I'm bad. 2:00:36.680 --> 2:00:41.640 It's that reactive conversation we have within us that actually 2:00:41.680 --> 2:00:46.640 prolong in the process. So actually faster. We're embracing certainty, 2:00:46.680 --> 2:00:49.960 biologic fasting. We're asking questions because at the beginning you 2:00:50.000 --> 2:00:53.440 cannot ask because you're in pain, so you just try 2:00:53.440 --> 2:00:57.000 to at least trust and embrace and embrace and beg 2:00:57.120 --> 2:01:00.000 something and asking. But when you're ready to ask, well, 2:01:00.280 --> 2:01:07.640 what's my lessons? Because very often we are so touched. 2:01:08.520 --> 2:01:13.920 We spoke about forgiveness to what's wrong with them, and 2:01:13.960 --> 2:01:16.720 we forget that the true purpose of life is my 2:01:16.840 --> 2:01:21.640 own transformation and elevation. While I'm interacting with other people, 2:01:22.680 --> 2:01:26.000 So when the conversation is no longer about that good, 2:01:26.120 --> 2:01:28.840 that bad? How did they do it? And you bring 2:01:28.920 --> 2:01:32.200 it back to you, how can I elevate? How can 2:01:32.280 --> 2:01:38.200 I become better? How can I transform? Between me and 2:01:38.280 --> 2:01:41.320 my soul, between me and my perfected self? When you 2:01:41.760 --> 2:01:46.680 that's when you inject the energy, then things the light 2:01:47.200 --> 2:01:49.160 will be shown faster. 2:01:50.920 --> 2:01:57.000 Yeah, that's the question. That's the accelerator that we want. 2:01:57.120 --> 2:02:01.400 We want the pain to go away quicker that question is, 2:02:01.920 --> 2:02:05.080 and sitting with that question exactly is the thing that 2:02:05.160 --> 2:02:08.200 actually speeds it up. What are you trying to work 2:02:08.240 --> 2:02:10.160 on right now, Madonna? That you're working on in your 2:02:10.160 --> 2:02:12.920 studies I know you get together regularly. People are going 2:02:12.960 --> 2:02:15.360 to be able to watch your studies as well that 2:02:15.440 --> 2:02:19.080 you do together. What's something that you're trying to work 2:02:19.080 --> 2:02:22.680 on right now that seems very fresh as a challenge, 2:02:22.680 --> 2:02:23.720 something to overcome. 2:02:23.920 --> 2:02:27.040 As you said, the lessons that I learn and study 2:02:28.040 --> 2:02:32.800 are more applicable to things that are challenging me on 2:02:32.840 --> 2:02:37.200 a regular basis, which would be you know, my children, 2:02:38.000 --> 2:02:41.480 They're always challenging me in one way or another. And 2:02:41.520 --> 2:02:43.680 that's a bit like such a big lesson for me 2:02:43.800 --> 2:02:48.240 to let go of expectations and stop trying to control 2:02:48.280 --> 2:02:53.760 the outcome and over worrying. And you know, I'm just like, 2:02:53.840 --> 2:02:56.320 some days I wake up on this, I'm just relieved 2:02:56.360 --> 2:03:00.040 that they're all okay, you know what I mean. And 2:03:00.120 --> 2:03:02.240 I always say to people when you're when you have 2:03:02.280 --> 2:03:05.200 that many kids, you're you're you're not really a parent, 2:03:05.240 --> 2:03:08.080 You're a manager, you know what I mean? 2:03:08.360 --> 2:03:08.560 Yeh. 2:03:08.800 --> 2:03:12.480 And by the way, she has amazing kids and spiritual kids, 2:03:13.080 --> 2:03:18.200 and because of her tremendous effort to infuse not just 2:03:18.240 --> 2:03:24.440 with the teachings, with their behavior consciousness. Sometimes you don't 2:03:24.440 --> 2:03:27.160 see it right away, but we see kid of the 2:03:27.280 --> 2:03:31.600 kids that actually they're coming around in the own unique way. 2:03:32.160 --> 2:03:37.160 So and also infuriating me what kind of things. I mean, 2:03:38.400 --> 2:03:41.440 I have to stop thinking that, you know, my way 2:03:41.480 --> 2:03:44.040 of doing things are my way of approaching life, or 2:03:44.040 --> 2:03:45.560 my way of being an artist is going to be 2:03:45.560 --> 2:03:50.480 somebody else's my kids way of doing it. Everybody has 2:03:50.520 --> 2:03:55.680 their own journey and it's taken me a long time 2:03:55.920 --> 2:03:56.960 to accept that. 2:03:57.520 --> 2:03:58.839 And to let go of control. 2:03:59.080 --> 2:04:01.840 M Why is that so hard as a parent, because 2:04:01.840 --> 2:04:03.280 I feel like so many parents would be able to 2:04:03.320 --> 2:04:06.480 relate to that right now where we subconsciously or consciously 2:04:06.560 --> 2:04:10.720 are projecting living through our children, wanting them to, you know. 2:04:11.200 --> 2:04:15.440 Well, either to be successful or in not like, not 2:04:15.480 --> 2:04:18.600 even in a not like. I want them to be 2:04:18.680 --> 2:04:20.960 rich and famous. I just want them to be happy. 2:04:22.040 --> 2:04:24.760 I want them to be authentic. I want them to 2:04:24.800 --> 2:04:29.360 not compare the themselves to other people, not worry about 2:04:29.400 --> 2:04:33.440 what people think of them, because they're my children. Like 2:04:33.680 --> 2:04:40.520 we're you know, fearing judgment, letting that go, helping them 2:04:40.520 --> 2:04:44.920 to see their own unique gifts. It's a constant battle 2:04:44.960 --> 2:04:46.520 because also you don't want to come off as somebody 2:04:46.520 --> 2:04:49.360 who's trying to control the situation all the time. Either 2:04:50.800 --> 2:04:54.360 my weekly studies with Aton, or my daily prayers or 2:04:54.400 --> 2:04:59.440 whatever are often about you know, I don't want my 2:04:59.520 --> 2:05:05.960 children to do specific things. I want them to realize 2:05:05.960 --> 2:05:08.200 what they were put on this earth to do. I 2:05:08.280 --> 2:05:12.520 want them to elevate to their highest level of consciousness 2:05:12.600 --> 2:05:17.960 and how can I help that? That's it. But it's 2:05:17.960 --> 2:05:22.800 still hard not to be bothered by things things. 2:05:24.560 --> 2:05:28.120 Yeah, I think that's a very relatable challenge for parents. Yeah, 2:05:28.400 --> 2:05:32.120 it's a real one. It's And I guess when you 2:05:32.160 --> 2:05:34.600 ask that question, then what is the lesson in this 2:05:35.520 --> 2:05:41.240 applying a TONS process? What what do you often come 2:05:41.320 --> 2:05:41.640 up with? 2:05:42.280 --> 2:05:45.440 Trying to control all the outcomes in life is and 2:05:45.480 --> 2:05:48.520 not getting the outcome you wanted is what makes you suffer. 2:05:48.960 --> 2:05:52.120 So if that lesson keeps coming back to me, then 2:05:52.240 --> 2:05:54.480 I guess I haven't learned it yet. And children are 2:05:54.480 --> 2:05:57.280 a perfect teacher for that, because they're never going to 2:05:57.320 --> 2:06:01.320 do what you want them to do way that you 2:06:01.440 --> 2:06:04.720 want them to do it. You know, just get them 2:06:04.720 --> 2:06:08.600 from here to there without hurting themselves or anybody else, 2:06:08.680 --> 2:06:09.160 you know what I. 2:06:09.080 --> 2:06:12.680 Mean, because they too have to overcome exactly. 2:06:13.240 --> 2:06:15.840 Yeah, you know I did. I grew up with very 2:06:15.880 --> 2:06:19.920 little and that's so I have a huge desire, and 2:06:19.960 --> 2:06:22.560 then of course you give your children all the things 2:06:22.720 --> 2:06:26.680 you wanted to have, and then you realize that's killing 2:06:26.680 --> 2:06:30.040 their desire, and so you know, it's like it's just 2:06:30.720 --> 2:06:33.400 you're just constantly going, oh shit, oh shit, okay, I'm 2:06:33.440 --> 2:06:38.320 not okay, not just be counterintuitive. Just say nothing. That's 2:06:38.360 --> 2:06:41.160 that's a big one for me. Say nothing. But I'm 2:06:41.160 --> 2:06:43.080 getting good at it. I'm just really getting good at it. 2:06:43.320 --> 2:06:45.560 No. I appreciate you walkings through that though process because 2:06:45.560 --> 2:06:48.720 I think you've summed it up. That's exactly what we 2:06:48.760 --> 2:06:50.560 want to do. We want to take away someone's pain 2:06:51.200 --> 2:06:52.560 or the pain we thought they were going to have 2:06:52.600 --> 2:06:55.200 because of the pain we had, and then you provide 2:06:55.200 --> 2:06:58.240 something only to create a new pain and for them 2:06:58.360 --> 2:07:00.240 to never have the pain that you had, but have 2:07:00.280 --> 2:07:02.640 a completely different version of it. We do it for 2:07:02.680 --> 2:07:04.400 everyone we love. And I was going to ask you 2:07:04.480 --> 2:07:07.320 you like, what do you do when you don't like 2:07:07.440 --> 2:07:11.320 the answer? That question is so important, like what is 2:07:11.360 --> 2:07:14.080 the lesson I need to learn? But a lot of 2:07:14.160 --> 2:07:17.840 us subconsciously may not like the answer we gain. That's 2:07:17.840 --> 2:07:20.480 where we have to keep learning. Again, what happens when 2:07:20.520 --> 2:07:23.880 you don't like the truth that you're experiencing. 2:07:24.480 --> 2:07:31.200 So I think part of true spiritual transformation is craving truth. 2:07:32.800 --> 2:07:38.520 Is I want to know, really what's my lesson? Because 2:07:38.520 --> 2:07:41.960 what's the other option? More pain until I'm going to 2:07:42.080 --> 2:07:46.120 learn the lesson. So the reason why we're not listening 2:07:46.520 --> 2:07:48.880 to the voice that tell me let go of control? 2:07:50.440 --> 2:07:54.360 Or for kids, one of the biggest mistakes parents do 2:07:55.560 --> 2:08:01.680 is over giving to kids, which in Kubli scabilistic terminology 2:08:01.720 --> 2:08:04.760 we call it broad of shame. When you give to 2:08:04.920 --> 2:08:09.320 someone something without working, without earning, you're actually hurting them. 2:08:09.560 --> 2:08:13.920 And the parent might know I'm overgiving and it's not 2:08:14.160 --> 2:08:19.040 healthy for them, but I feel guilty to say no. 2:08:19.520 --> 2:08:22.200 And I'll be here if I say yes exactly. 2:08:22.480 --> 2:08:27.120 So here is the test guilty of saying no versus 2:08:27.400 --> 2:08:32.360 long term pain for the kid and for yourself. So 2:08:32.480 --> 2:08:36.000 actually pause and ask that question. That will help you 2:08:36.080 --> 2:08:38.680 to get closer to the truth and be less in 2:08:38.760 --> 2:08:44.880 denial and a fork short term long term saying yes 2:08:45.080 --> 2:08:47.600 just to fix the pain, to give them what they want, 2:08:49.160 --> 2:08:52.920 to let them play with the phone, or say no 2:08:54.400 --> 2:09:00.080 and it's difficult and they feel bad and the blaming you, 2:09:00.640 --> 2:09:05.000 but you're doing it from place of love, because yeah, 2:09:05.280 --> 2:09:11.000 because what's driving us true desire to share in a 2:09:11.160 --> 2:09:12.080 long term. 2:09:12.520 --> 2:09:12.840 Yeah. 2:09:13.800 --> 2:09:17.080 If that's my true and that's the truth, Am I 2:09:17.320 --> 2:09:21.560 really coming from true desire to share for a long 2:09:21.680 --> 2:09:23.800 term share and not just temporary fix. 2:09:24.600 --> 2:09:25.000 Yeah. 2:09:25.400 --> 2:09:30.360 And when I'm coming from that place only blessings, you're 2:09:30.400 --> 2:09:33.920 planting a seed of light, a seed of blessing, a 2:09:33.960 --> 2:09:38.040 seed of miracles. When you're coming from another place pretending 2:09:38.120 --> 2:09:41.160 to be good or nice or kind only because you 2:09:41.240 --> 2:09:48.000 cannot handle the temporary pain, you're planting a seed of chaos, 2:09:48.320 --> 2:09:51.440 which cares also as intelligent to teach you lessons but 2:09:51.560 --> 2:09:53.120 in a longer path. 2:09:53.880 --> 2:09:55.240 Yeah. I mean I can relate to that as a 2:09:55.320 --> 2:09:59.080 kid because I'm not a parent. But it was almost 2:09:59.160 --> 2:10:01.200 like during your team you just think everything your parents 2:10:01.240 --> 2:10:03.320 say is wrong. And then in my twenties I was 2:10:03.400 --> 2:10:07.000 like so grateful for the discipline and the rules and 2:10:07.040 --> 2:10:09.680 the you know, I was only allowed to play video 2:10:09.760 --> 2:10:12.280 games for like X amount of time or whatever it was, 2:10:12.360 --> 2:10:14.600 and all of a sudden, everything my parents did, I 2:10:14.640 --> 2:10:16.080 was like, oh, wow, there was actually a lot of 2:10:16.080 --> 2:10:18.800 good in it. But during my teenage years that you know, 2:10:18.920 --> 2:10:22.280 I obviously didn't agree with anything they said, and there's 2:10:22.320 --> 2:10:25.320 such a reality to that feeling of the long term 2:10:25.360 --> 2:10:28.400 point that you're making. The long term you realize, Oh, yeah, 2:10:28.400 --> 2:10:31.680 I'm glad you actually didn't just let me eat rubbish, 2:10:31.760 --> 2:10:34.240 or I'm really glad you didn't just let me waste 2:10:34.280 --> 2:10:36.800 hours playing video games. I'm really glad that you didn't 2:10:37.440 --> 2:10:39.280 do X, Y Z or whatever it may be. And 2:10:39.360 --> 2:10:43.760 so it's hard though, because the parent or the person. 2:10:43.840 --> 2:10:46.280 This could be romance, it could be in any relationship. 2:10:46.320 --> 2:10:48.760 You've got to be unpopular in the moment. You have 2:10:48.760 --> 2:10:51.440 to put us at your ego and you have to. 2:10:51.400 --> 2:10:52.680 Go through that disconference. 2:10:52.760 --> 2:10:56.400 Yeah, yeah, which applies at work, it applies everywhere anything. 2:10:56.680 --> 2:11:01.360 Yeah, especially in the culture today when everything can be 2:11:01.760 --> 2:11:08.560 so instant app and ordering food and getting what you 2:11:08.640 --> 2:11:11.960 want and watching any program and in your phone. So 2:11:12.160 --> 2:11:18.760 that instant culture preventing a child or an individual to 2:11:18.840 --> 2:11:21.480 go through a real process of going through this comfort 2:11:21.800 --> 2:11:26.440 or earning the light as we're going saying caballistically, and 2:11:26.520 --> 2:11:31.840 people don't understand they can be bright, how come I'm depressed? 2:11:32.480 --> 2:11:39.000 Depression very often it's a consequence of instant gratification, not 2:11:39.800 --> 2:11:45.080 willing to go through difficult process. 2:11:44.880 --> 2:11:48.720 So hard, so hard. We don't want to go through 2:11:48.760 --> 2:11:50.560 the difficult process, and we don't want anyone we love 2:11:50.600 --> 2:11:53.600 to go through a difficult process. Although that is that 2:11:53.720 --> 2:11:55.680 is the any process that's going to benefit. 2:11:55.360 --> 2:11:56.880 Us, well, well we're going to anyway, so. 2:11:59.240 --> 2:12:02.200 Absolutely. I have one last question to ask both of you. 2:12:03.440 --> 2:12:07.320 What is your soul's purpose? Why do you think you're here? 2:12:08.200 --> 2:12:12.800 And what personally was the becoming or the overcoming that 2:12:12.840 --> 2:12:16.600 you went through to really receive that soul's purpose that 2:12:16.600 --> 2:12:20.080 you're living by. What was it that birth that idea 2:12:20.200 --> 2:12:20.600 within you. 2:12:22.240 --> 2:12:24.840 My soul's purpose is to reveal light in the world 2:12:26.480 --> 2:12:30.960 through whatever I do, whatever that's being a parent or 2:12:31.360 --> 2:12:40.800 being an artist, being a friend, being a leader. Yeah, 2:12:41.360 --> 2:12:44.600 we are here to receive for the sake of sharing. 2:12:44.920 --> 2:12:49.600 So I have a huge desire. I have many desires. 2:12:50.520 --> 2:12:54.280 This is not a relief system or philosophy that's about 2:12:54.920 --> 2:12:58.120 no offense, being a monk and going up in the 2:12:58.160 --> 2:13:02.400 mountains and meditating for hours. I want it all, but 2:13:02.520 --> 2:13:04.600 I want it for the sake of sharing, not to 2:13:04.840 --> 2:13:10.080 keep it for myself. Hey wants more followers on Instagram. 2:13:13.280 --> 2:13:16.400 The personal relationship between me and the light between me 2:13:16.520 --> 2:13:22.480 and the Creator. I know that I don't anything less 2:13:23.680 --> 2:13:29.240 than connecting while I'm in this physical world to the 2:13:29.400 --> 2:13:34.800 soul that was given to me. And it means total transformation, 2:13:35.040 --> 2:13:38.280 total desire to receive for the sake of sharing, certainty 2:13:38.360 --> 2:13:42.840 beyond logic until it becomes second agor that's at a 2:13:42.880 --> 2:13:46.200 personal level. But one of the ways to giv it 2:13:46.360 --> 2:13:49.680 is to connect with our purpose of sharing. So I 2:13:49.760 --> 2:13:53.040 know in my gut, in my soul, and it was 2:13:53.120 --> 2:13:57.080 beyond knowing, it was beyond logic, that that's what I 2:13:57.120 --> 2:14:01.640 came to do in this world, which is to spread 2:14:02.400 --> 2:14:05.280 to be a teacher for the teachings of Cabbalah while 2:14:05.320 --> 2:14:11.520 I'm studying. One of them is about being too perfectionist spiritually, 2:14:12.600 --> 2:14:18.480 you know, taking spiritual lesson to an imbalanced place. Something 2:14:18.560 --> 2:14:23.120 is wrong with me. So and I know as long 2:14:23.120 --> 2:14:25.040 as we're in this world and if we're truly not 2:14:25.200 --> 2:14:28.920 settling for lesson, that's a message for everybody. I want 2:14:28.960 --> 2:14:32.840 to say, never settle for less wherever you are. This 2:14:33.000 --> 2:14:36.160 is just the beginning comparing to your next level potential. 2:14:37.840 --> 2:14:44.280 So those challenges were necessary to help me to evolve 2:14:44.320 --> 2:14:47.480 to where I'm at today. And of course this is 2:14:47.560 --> 2:14:48.200 just the beginning. 2:14:49.600 --> 2:14:54.240 What's that? Thank you so much for your time and energy. Again, 2:14:54.360 --> 2:14:57.720 learn so much from both of you today, and I 2:14:57.760 --> 2:15:00.680 really can't wait for people to watch the studies. I 2:15:00.680 --> 2:15:04.480 hope that it gives spiritual seekers a opportunity to ask 2:15:04.520 --> 2:15:11.400 better questions, deeper questions, and begins their quest for overcoming 2:15:11.440 --> 2:15:16.040 and becoming whatever their soul's purpose truly is. And I'm 2:15:16.080 --> 2:15:18.920 so grateful that you're both living yours truly and I'm 2:15:18.960 --> 2:15:21.960 really again thankful for the opportunity to have learned so 2:15:22.040 --> 2:15:24.600 much from both of you today. Thank you so much, 2:15:24.800 --> 2:15:26.240 oh honor, thank you too much. 2:15:26.520 --> 2:15:26.840 Thank you. 2:15:27.240 --> 2:15:29.960 If this is the year that you're trying to get creative, 2:15:30.040 --> 2:15:32.600 you're trying to build more, I need you to listen 2:15:32.640 --> 2:15:35.560 to this episode with Rick Rubin on how to break 2:15:35.600 --> 2:15:39.760 into your most creative self, how to use unconventional methods 2:15:39.800 --> 2:15:43.640 that lead to success, and the secret to genuinely loving 2:15:43.680 --> 2:15:46.200 what you do. If you're trying to find your passion 2:15:46.280 --> 2:15:49.720 and your lane, Rick Rubin's episode is the one for you. 2:15:50.200 --> 2:15:52.520 Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value, 2:15:52.760 --> 2:15:55.160 Like as an artist, if you like it, that's all 2:15:55.200 --> 2:15:58.880 of the value. That's the success comes when you say 2:15:59.200 --> 2:16:01.560 I like this and not for other people to see it,