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Speaker 1: If you don't have a spiritual life, you're never going

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Speaker 1: to stop and ask any questions. You're just going to

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Speaker 1: plow through life, and you're going to see everything that

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Speaker 1: happens to you as just a random event. I don't

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Speaker 1: believe that anything is random. I think everything that happens

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Speaker 1: to us is meant to happen to us to teach

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Speaker 1: us some kind of a lesson.

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Speaker 2: Number one Health and Wellness podcast.

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Speaker 3: Jay Shetty, Jay shettyly Madonad Welcome to On Purpose. I

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Speaker 3: am so grateful to be here with you today. Thank

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Speaker 3: you for the honor and the opportunity.

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Speaker 1: And thank you for having me.

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Speaker 3: I'm really really happy to be with you. After lots

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Speaker 3: of FaceTime calls, yeah, and discussions about this conversation with.

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Speaker 1: Fine definitely be in person.

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Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, And I wanted to start off by asking

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Speaker 3: you don't do a lot of interviews. We don't see

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Speaker 3: you doing interviews, maybe even for the last nine ten years,

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Speaker 3: and give or take, what's your intention for being here today?

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Speaker 3: Why now? Why today?

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Speaker 1: Well, in the past I've usually done I used to

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Speaker 1: promote my work, whether that's music or a tour or film.

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Speaker 1: But today I would like to talk about my spiritual

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Speaker 1: life and the spiritual path that I've been on for

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Speaker 1: over twenty eight years. This wisdom has helped me navigate

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Speaker 1: them the ups and downs of life. For lack of

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Speaker 1: a better expression, people ask me a lot through the years,

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Speaker 1: like what is the reason you're still saying? What is

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Speaker 1: the reason you keep going? Why have you not fallen

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Speaker 1: by the wayside like other people. Definitely a lot of

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Speaker 1: my peers who who are no longer with us like,

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Speaker 1: what would you say is the key? And I would

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Speaker 1: say that is my spiritual life. I absolutely would not

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Speaker 1: did not have that. It's helped me enormously, as I said,

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Speaker 1: navigate the ups and downs of life. So I feel

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Speaker 1: like I would like to share that with people. So

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Speaker 1: that's really the point of I'm not here to promote

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Speaker 1: a product or I don't want anyone to buy anything.

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Speaker 1: I just I want to share something with people that

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Speaker 1: has pretty much saved my life. It sounds dramatic, but

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it seems like it's something that's extremely meaningful to

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Speaker 3: you and a deep part of your life that often

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Speaker 3: I feel you don't get to share in other spaces.

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Speaker 3: So even though it's been a part of your life

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Speaker 3: for nearly three decades, maybe you haven't shared parts of

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Speaker 3: it before. What would you have life look like if

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Speaker 3: you didn't find it.

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Speaker 1: I would believe that the physical world is all there is.

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Speaker 1: I would believe all the illusions, and that would be

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Speaker 3: What does spirituality mean to you? Because I think that

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean a spiritual life, A spiritual path could

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Speaker 1: could be mean a lot of things. I know that

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Speaker 1: really about like who's is the best or you know,

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Speaker 1: it's whatever works for you. I've been studying Kabbala for

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Speaker 1: twenty nine years, so since nineteen ninety six. Yeah, it's

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Speaker 3: It's a long time, and.

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Speaker 1: I'm not a frivolous person. I don't suffer fools gladly.

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Speaker 1: If something if I think there's something false about it

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Speaker 1: like people need guidance, people need enlightenment, And for me,

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Speaker 1: a spiritual life is having an internal life because you

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Speaker 1: know this, I'm sure you know. If we get caught

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Speaker 1: You're just going to plow through life. And if you

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Speaker 1: enough to find out what that reason is?

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Speaker 1: Why did this happen to me? What is my lesson?

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Speaker 1: I don't want to go through life seeing everything that

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Speaker 1: the expression comparison is the killer of joy, So you know,

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Speaker 1: it's like, you got to get out of that game.

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Speaker 1: You have to have a spiritual life. You just have to.

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Speaker 3: You're reminding me of something beautiful that I came across

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Speaker 3: called the third space theory. Have you heard of it.

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Speaker 3: It's this idea that as humans around fifty years ago,

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Speaker 1: Go back on even one more step. That to me

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Speaker 3: It's a great point.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so where are you aware?

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Speaker 3: You're living in the virtual world. Yeah, we're living in

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Speaker 1: Yes, but in virtual and a virtual world is not

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's yeah. So it's interesting to think about that

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Speaker 1: Yes, I mean some kind of ritualistic behavior has to happen.

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Speaker 3: What have been your rituals? I'm intrigued what I'm curious?

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Speaker 3: What are your spiritual practices and rituals that have been

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Speaker 3: What were they? What are they? Well?

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Speaker 1: One really important thing is studying, making time every week

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Speaker 3: And you did that right. You actually studied different traditions.

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Speaker 1: And I mean, to be honest, before I discovered Kabbala,

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Speaker 3: And why do you think that was? Why were you

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Speaker 1: Because I had everything that people would assume would give

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Speaker 1: And I said, what does that mean? And he said, well,

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Speaker 1: studied that for a while, and I studied Sanskrit. I

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Speaker 1: not going back. But you see, the worst things that

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Speaker 1: happened to you are the best things that happened to you.

436
00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:27,679
Speaker 1: Because if that had if my childhood hadn't been what

437
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Speaker 1: it had been, if I had lost my mother, if

438
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Speaker 1: I hadn't had all of these challenges as a child,

439
00:25:32,880 --> 00:25:35,240
Speaker 1: I would have thought of my home as a place

440
00:25:35,280 --> 00:25:39,359
Speaker 1: of comfort and I would have gone back. But I didn't.

441
00:25:39,480 --> 00:25:43,040
Speaker 1: So that's what kept me going. And then you know,

442
00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,679
Speaker 1: there are challenges in my career though. Even though I

443
00:25:46,760 --> 00:25:49,360
Speaker 1: was very successful, I went through many periods of time

444
00:25:49,400 --> 00:25:52,680
Speaker 1: where the press was beeeding up on me. I was demonized.

445
00:25:53,160 --> 00:25:56,199
Speaker 1: What kept me going? I don't I don't know, like

446
00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:59,080
Speaker 1: I said Guardian Angels, But again I wasn't conscious of

447
00:25:59,119 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: it until I was pregnant. Then I start to see,

448
00:26:03,119 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: like everything started to like come into focus for me.

449
00:26:06,800 --> 00:26:09,000
Speaker 1: But it's not. I make it sound like it's an

450
00:26:09,040 --> 00:26:13,199
Speaker 1: easy thing, like studying, Like the more you know, the

451
00:26:13,280 --> 00:26:17,480
Speaker 1: harder everything is, and the more enlightened you try to become,

452
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,880
Speaker 1: the more conscious you try to become, the more tests

453
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Speaker 1: you have, the more you know. It's like why, Like

454
00:26:25,520 --> 00:26:27,639
Speaker 1: the more you know, the more you realize you don't know,

455
00:26:28,280 --> 00:26:32,520
Speaker 1: and the more you aspire to be conscious, the more

456
00:26:32,560 --> 00:26:36,239
Speaker 1: you feel like everyone's trying to drag you down and

457
00:26:36,280 --> 00:26:38,800
Speaker 1: take you out of it and convince you that it's

458
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Speaker 1: not true or you know the tests, Yeah, and you

459
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: know life is a test, let's face it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

461
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Speaker 3: I was thinking about, as you were saying that a

462
00:26:49,240 --> 00:26:55,440
Speaker 3: bit earlier, of managing that balance between recognizing you are

463
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Speaker 3: a manager of the light and you are not the

464
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Speaker 3: light itself. I was thinking of this story about Marcus

465
00:27:03,240 --> 00:27:07,159
Speaker 3: Aurelius where he was followed around the Roman town square

466
00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 3: by an assistant, and the assistant's only job was to

467
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:13,800
Speaker 3: whisper in his ear, You're just a man, You're just

468
00:27:13,840 --> 00:27:16,679
Speaker 3: a man, because people would praise him, and people would

469
00:27:16,880 --> 00:27:21,080
Speaker 3: shower him with accolades and compliments, and the assistant would

470
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Speaker 3: remind him. And it said that that was done so

471
00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:26,399
Speaker 3: that he could always remain grounded. I can imagine for

472
00:27:26,520 --> 00:27:29,440
Speaker 3: you to not fall into the trap of believing you're

473
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 3: the light is extremely difficult when you're one of the

474
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Speaker 3: best selling artists of all time, when, like you said,

475
00:27:38,280 --> 00:27:43,200
Speaker 3: you name the company, there's only the Beatles, yourself, Michael Jackson,

476
00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:48,000
Speaker 3: that sit in this esteemed group of individuals who've achieved

477
00:27:48,119 --> 00:27:52,960
Speaker 3: incredible things. How did you hold on to that beautiful

478
00:27:53,000 --> 00:27:54,760
Speaker 3: belief that you're not the light and your manager of

479
00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:58,960
Speaker 3: the light when anyone else could easily believe they were.

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Speaker 1: By continuing to have a spiritual practice spiritual life, by

481
00:28:04,160 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 1: continuing to study like always pulls you back two center.

482
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Speaker 3: Were you able to keep it up when you were

483
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:16,400
Speaker 3: like on tour or when you're building you albums? Wow?

484
00:28:16,600 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: Everyone crazy? My manager's like, why can't we have shows

485
00:28:20,040 --> 00:28:22,560
Speaker 1: on this night? Or why are you late? Because I'm

486
00:28:22,600 --> 00:28:24,600
Speaker 1: because I'm praying? Like what you know what I mean?

487
00:28:24,680 --> 00:28:26,320
Speaker 3: Like, would you.

488
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Speaker 1: People who are only focused on absolutely pray before every show,

489
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Speaker 1: But people are focused on making money are definitely not

490
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Speaker 1: focused on spiritual life. You have to have your feet

491
00:28:39,200 --> 00:28:39,880
Speaker 1: in both worlds.

492
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Speaker 3: And I literally wouldn't do a show on a day

493
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Speaker 3: because that that was your study day.

494
00:28:46,880 --> 00:28:52,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, or I would be late. Yeah, I get a

495
00:28:52,520 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 1: lot of shit for being late.

496
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Speaker 3: Walk me through.

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Speaker 1: Honestly, it's really hard to balance being a parent, having work,

498
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Speaker 1: having a spiritual life. You're you're constantly juggling. You know,

499
00:29:02,280 --> 00:29:04,560
Speaker 1: there's it's not there's not a lot of time to rest.

500
00:29:05,480 --> 00:29:08,640
Speaker 1: And if people don't recognize that, then they're just going

501
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,080
Speaker 1: to look at you in a very one percent, like

502
00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,040
Speaker 1: superficial way and go you're late. It's like but you

503
00:29:14,040 --> 00:29:17,480
Speaker 1: don't understand what I was doing before I got I

504
00:29:17,680 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: became late.

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Speaker 3: I want to talk about how spirituality affected you your

506
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Speaker 3: role as a mother. Obviously you said that becoming a

507
00:29:42,000 --> 00:29:46,600
Speaker 3: mother yourself is actually what even began that enlightenment. It

508
00:29:46,680 --> 00:29:50,080
Speaker 3: kind of began that journey. It felt like a responsibility,

509
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Speaker 3: It felt like a moment of change.

510
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Speaker 1: How is well, my mother died after giving birth to

511
00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:01,520
Speaker 1: all my brothers and sisters, so literally, like the year

512
00:30:01,560 --> 00:30:03,800
Speaker 1: after my youngest sister was born, my mother died. So

513
00:30:03,960 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 1: I always equated motherhood with death. So and I also

514
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:12,240
Speaker 1: equated it with I could see she was not happy.

515
00:30:12,320 --> 00:30:14,520
Speaker 1: I could see she wasn't living the life she wanted

516
00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: to live. I equated it with death, or I equated

517
00:30:17,680 --> 00:30:19,880
Speaker 1: it with no freedom, or I equated it with no

518
00:30:20,000 --> 00:30:23,360
Speaker 1: life except taking care of other people. And so when

519
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Speaker 1: I started, when I came to New York and I

520
00:30:25,680 --> 00:30:28,360
Speaker 1: started my career, I was like, no, this is not

521
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Speaker 1: for me. I don't want to be a mother. I

522
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:33,000
Speaker 1: don't want that. I wasn't saying it out loud, but

523
00:30:33,040 --> 00:30:36,120
Speaker 1: I was thinking that, like, why would I give all

524
00:30:36,120 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: of this up? I worked so hard for it. Well,

525
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Speaker 1: one day I found that I was pregnant and I

526
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:46,440
Speaker 1: and I had been running away from it for so long.

527
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Speaker 1: And I wouldn't say I was in a stable relationship,

528
00:30:50,840 --> 00:30:54,840
Speaker 1: but I loved her father, so I wasn't really thinking

529
00:30:54,880 --> 00:30:57,120
Speaker 1: it through. But I was like, Okay, this happened. This

530
00:30:57,200 --> 00:30:59,680
Speaker 1: happened to me, so it's meant to happen to me.

531
00:31:01,760 --> 00:31:05,280
Speaker 1: But honestly, what the hell am I going to teach

532
00:31:05,320 --> 00:31:08,040
Speaker 1: my daughter? Like, how am I going to guide her?

533
00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,800
Speaker 1: I've just been living this, you know, completely selfish life

534
00:31:13,960 --> 00:31:17,240
Speaker 1: really that you know turned out good in many ways,

535
00:31:17,280 --> 00:31:22,040
Speaker 1: but in reality, I was doing everything for my own self.

536
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:24,920
Speaker 1: And I also kind of thought, well, you know, okay,

537
00:31:24,920 --> 00:31:26,840
Speaker 1: I'm pregnant, so I'm going to be a mother, so

538
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:29,520
Speaker 1: I'll figure it out. I'll work it out. But honestly,

539
00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:34,920
Speaker 1: I was scared shitless and I wasn't in a traditional relationship.

540
00:31:34,960 --> 00:31:38,280
Speaker 1: And once again, like this is the story of my life.

541
00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:45,680
Speaker 1: I keep finding myself in unconventional or untraditional or unusual

542
00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:51,120
Speaker 1: or unfamiliar places, and I have to keep adjusting. And

543
00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,720
Speaker 1: I say that, I would say that that is also

544
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,680
Speaker 1: the reason that I'm still here and still going and

545
00:31:56,800 --> 00:32:01,760
Speaker 1: have the strength to fight things or just to survive

546
00:32:03,280 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: because being too comfortable in life, I would say, is

547
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:10,920
Speaker 1: the downfall of a lot of people who started off

548
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:12,920
Speaker 1: taking chances, taking risks.

549
00:32:13,200 --> 00:32:15,200
Speaker 3: Is that something success does to you? Do you think

550
00:32:15,280 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 3: where in the beginning you take risks and you get it.

551
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:20,440
Speaker 1: I feel like that happens to other people, not me.

552
00:32:22,120 --> 00:32:25,240
Speaker 1: I think I've always been felt like an outsider in life.

553
00:32:26,040 --> 00:32:28,640
Speaker 1: I felt like an outsider growing up in Michigan. I

554
00:32:28,680 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: felt like an outsider when I came to New York.

555
00:32:31,600 --> 00:32:34,600
Speaker 1: I felt like an outsider when I moved to LA

556
00:32:34,760 --> 00:32:39,200
Speaker 1: and had my Hollywood life. You know, I always felt

557
00:32:39,280 --> 00:32:41,040
Speaker 1: like I did when I was in high school. I

558
00:32:41,080 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: don't fit in, and not fitting in is what saves you,

559
00:32:45,400 --> 00:32:48,600
Speaker 1: and that you know studying Kabala, No nobody else was

560
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:52,360
Speaker 1: interested in it, not my friend group, And if I

561
00:32:52,400 --> 00:32:54,440
Speaker 1: would speak about it to people, they'd be like, oh,

562
00:32:54,480 --> 00:32:58,440
Speaker 1: that's really interesting. Having a spiritual life isn't necessarily going

563
00:32:58,480 --> 00:33:02,600
Speaker 1: to make you popular, but if you're a conscious person

564
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,400
Speaker 1: searching for truth, then it's going to be interesting. Like

565
00:33:05,480 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: I'm interested in your spiritual path, your spiritual life. I

566
00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:11,360
Speaker 1: want to know what you do, what it does for you.

567
00:33:11,920 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 1: I want to know how you do it because I'm curious,

568
00:33:15,560 --> 00:33:20,760
Speaker 1: and curiosity and being an outsider, and those are the

569
00:33:20,840 --> 00:33:26,160
Speaker 1: things that actually save you, even though it's not supported

570
00:33:26,200 --> 00:33:31,360
Speaker 1: in our society to think outside the box, to take

571
00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:38,840
Speaker 1: the road less traveled by, to not be so concerned

572
00:33:38,880 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: with approval public approval. And now we live in a

573
00:33:43,760 --> 00:33:48,560
Speaker 1: world where everyone follows algorithms, and algorithms are the opposite

574
00:33:48,960 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 1: of taking chances. They are the opposite of being unique.

575
00:33:52,200 --> 00:33:56,360
Speaker 1: They're the opposite of spiritual life. They're the opposite of consciousness.

576
00:33:57,520 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: That's why artificial intelligence cannot duplicate consciousness. It can duplicate

577
00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:10,480
Speaker 1: doing things following formulas, but it can't duplicate consciousness. So

578
00:34:10,719 --> 00:34:11,600
Speaker 1: now have we gotten really?

579
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Speaker 3: After that, I love it, thought it's great to be

580
00:34:14,320 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 3: in your stream of consciousness, and that on that point

581
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:19,640
Speaker 3: I will get back. But I often get asked the

582
00:34:19,719 --> 00:34:22,400
Speaker 3: question right now when I'm on panels of do I

583
00:34:22,440 --> 00:34:25,200
Speaker 3: ever believe that AI will have a soul? And my

584
00:34:25,320 --> 00:34:28,720
Speaker 3: response is always I just hope that the people who

585
00:34:29,320 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 3: are building AI have a soul, because yeah, ultimately it's

586
00:34:33,040 --> 00:34:35,840
Speaker 3: becoming a reflection of whatever is inside of us. But

587
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:39,640
Speaker 3: I digress, going back to going back to how gone

588
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:40,440
Speaker 3: you're going to say no.

589
00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:44,880
Speaker 1: You're you're right, yep, the people who make it, but are.

590
00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:46,759
Speaker 3: They Yeah, that's the most important part.

591
00:34:46,920 --> 00:34:48,120
Speaker 1: That's the scariest part.

592
00:34:48,480 --> 00:34:52,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, the intention and the purity and consciousness.

593
00:34:52,160 --> 00:34:56,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I just repeat that like a mantra. Consciousness

594
00:34:56,520 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: is everything. Consciousness is everything, but a lot of people

595
00:34:58,560 --> 00:34:59,440
Speaker 1: don't even know what that is.

596
00:35:00,040 --> 00:35:02,760
Speaker 3: Became a mom and you're trying to teach your children

597
00:35:02,840 --> 00:35:06,319
Speaker 3: about I guess I'm assuming you will. Yeah, you wanted

598
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 3: to pause some of these teachings on.

599
00:35:07,800 --> 00:35:11,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they grew up learning it and studying it,

600
00:35:11,719 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 1: studying or listening to me, study with my teachers, or

601
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:18,560
Speaker 1: listening to other people, and they would bounce back and

602
00:35:18,600 --> 00:35:22,440
Speaker 1: forth between thinking it was silly or something weird that

603
00:35:22,520 --> 00:35:26,920
Speaker 1: mom does, or but I see that it has impacted

604
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:27,439
Speaker 1: all of them.

605
00:35:27,719 --> 00:35:32,080
Speaker 3: What makes you see that because they study.

606
00:35:31,120 --> 00:35:34,040
Speaker 1: Not all of them. But I feel like my children

607
00:35:34,040 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: who have a spiritual life are happier than the ones

608
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 1: who do not.

609
00:35:39,680 --> 00:35:42,280
Speaker 3: But obviously they could start at any time. It could happen.

610
00:35:42,320 --> 00:35:45,880
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, there's no cohercion and spirituality like

611
00:35:46,480 --> 00:35:48,640
Speaker 1: if you either it speaks to you or it doesn't.

612
00:35:48,960 --> 00:35:51,440
Speaker 3: I remember my dad was trying to get us to

613
00:35:51,520 --> 00:35:55,400
Speaker 3: do things for so long, and you rejected it so hard, because.

614
00:35:55,239 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: Yes, well that's the other thing. Children always reject their

615
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:02,600
Speaker 1: parents the path they followed, their belief systems. They think

616
00:36:02,640 --> 00:36:05,720
Speaker 1: it's stupid, and then they are they come back around

617
00:36:06,080 --> 00:36:08,160
Speaker 1: a little bit totally. Yeah.

618
00:36:08,239 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: Yeah, there's that famous quote that says, the day you

619
00:36:11,800 --> 00:36:13,960
Speaker 3: realize your parents were right, your kids are telling you

620
00:36:14,000 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 3: that you're wrong. And I think it's en often when

621
00:36:17,680 --> 00:36:21,480
Speaker 3: experienced that people have. Yeah, how did kabbala impact your

622
00:36:21,600 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 3: and your spiritual practice impact your role as a daughter, because,

623
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Speaker 3: like you said, you lost your mother when you were five.

624
00:36:29,280 --> 00:36:31,640
Speaker 1: To a certain extent, I resented my father growing up

625
00:36:31,680 --> 00:36:34,640
Speaker 1: because I felt like he wasn't present for us emotionally.

626
00:36:36,400 --> 00:36:39,799
Speaker 1: He did have a lot of responsibilities, and I's a

627
00:36:39,840 --> 00:36:43,799
Speaker 1: deeply Catholic person, but I don't I felt like he

628
00:36:43,920 --> 00:36:47,960
Speaker 1: followed his spiritual path or he followed Catholicism because that's

629
00:36:48,120 --> 00:36:50,600
Speaker 1: how it was, that's how he was raised, that's how

630
00:36:50,640 --> 00:36:52,640
Speaker 1: it was done when I was growing up. If I

631
00:36:52,640 --> 00:36:54,839
Speaker 1: wanted to ask a question about why do we do this,

632
00:36:55,080 --> 00:36:57,800
Speaker 1: why are we genuflecting, why are we receiving the body

633
00:36:57,800 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 1: and blood, of Christ. Why is my father didn't have

634
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:05,359
Speaker 1: an answer, He'd just say that's what is written. And

635
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: what drew me to Kabala was that I could ask

636
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:13,680
Speaker 1: questions and there were answers and questions were invited, which

637
00:37:13,760 --> 00:37:15,520
Speaker 1: is the opposite of how it was brought up. So

638
00:37:15,600 --> 00:37:18,040
Speaker 1: I thought I looked at my father as kind of

639
00:37:18,080 --> 00:37:20,880
Speaker 1: like a religious robot, you know what I mean. Not

640
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: that he's not a good person, but I didn't want

641
00:37:24,239 --> 00:37:30,719
Speaker 1: to be a robot, and especially having a spiritual life,

642
00:37:31,080 --> 00:37:35,560
Speaker 1: I started to see my father as a human being

643
00:37:35,840 --> 00:37:39,880
Speaker 1: and see that he was a human that made mistakes

644
00:37:39,920 --> 00:37:42,360
Speaker 1: and that he did the best with what he was

645
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:46,160
Speaker 1: taught he was given. When those cylinders start clicking in

646
00:37:46,160 --> 00:37:48,360
Speaker 1: your head, you start to have a lot more compassion,

647
00:37:49,280 --> 00:37:52,399
Speaker 1: not just for your parents, but for all people who

648
00:37:53,080 --> 00:37:55,200
Speaker 1: don't see life the way you see it, that you

649
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:59,560
Speaker 1: don't agree with. It brought me to a place where

650
00:37:59,560 --> 00:38:01,919
Speaker 1: I could have more compassion for him.

651
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:05,200
Speaker 3: I mean that seems like a really big gift, yeah,

652
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 3: to have the understanding, and I could agree. I think

653
00:38:09,600 --> 00:38:15,560
Speaker 3: spiritual context create so much compassion when you are able

654
00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:17,719
Speaker 3: to zoom out and look at someone's life like I

655
00:38:17,760 --> 00:38:20,520
Speaker 3: remember the moment I really had compassion for my dad

656
00:38:20,719 --> 00:38:23,919
Speaker 3: was when I visited the home he grew up in,

657
00:38:24,600 --> 00:38:28,800
Speaker 3: which was this room. I mean, I can't even compare

658
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:33,640
Speaker 3: it to this. His home was like probably just from

659
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,680
Speaker 3: here to here, like his entire home and they shared

660
00:38:37,680 --> 00:38:42,600
Speaker 3: a bathroom with twenty thirty families. Yeah, and we went outside.

661
00:38:42,600 --> 00:38:44,360
Speaker 3: I was nine years old. We're in India and there's

662
00:38:44,680 --> 00:38:48,839
Speaker 3: cockroaches around us in Pune, and there's cockroaches around his home.

663
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:50,960
Speaker 3: There's bats in the you know, and it's just like

664
00:38:51,600 --> 00:38:53,719
Speaker 3: and inside. And I was nine years old and I

665
00:38:53,760 --> 00:38:56,839
Speaker 3: couldn't believe that. You know, that's when my dad grew up.

666
00:38:57,480 --> 00:38:59,680
Speaker 3: And it was almost like something clicked where I was

667
00:38:59,719 --> 00:39:02,839
Speaker 3: like I, unless I saw that, I wouldn't have had

668
00:39:02,840 --> 00:39:07,640
Speaker 3: that experience because it was always easier to assume that

669
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:08,320
Speaker 3: their life.

670
00:39:08,520 --> 00:39:10,920
Speaker 1: Yeah. Well that's the thing, like I say to my

671
00:39:11,000 --> 00:39:12,920
Speaker 1: kids all the time, like you're judging me by the

672
00:39:13,040 --> 00:39:15,680
Speaker 1: chapter you arrived in, Like this is not how my

673
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:18,799
Speaker 1: life has been, and it's really hard for kids to

674
00:39:18,840 --> 00:39:19,160
Speaker 1: see that.

675
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, going there was probably one of the best

676
00:39:22,640 --> 00:39:25,359
Speaker 3: things that ever happened to me, because it's what you're saying.

677
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,120
Speaker 3: I was able to go to a previous chapter in

678
00:39:28,200 --> 00:39:32,359
Speaker 3: someone's life. And even though my childhood we went well

679
00:39:32,400 --> 00:39:34,759
Speaker 3: to do or we didn't have anything, but we didn't

680
00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,200
Speaker 3: have a lot. Going to see that, I was like,

681
00:39:37,239 --> 00:39:39,560
Speaker 3: oh gosh, my life is a million times better than this,

682
00:39:40,320 --> 00:39:43,279
Speaker 3: and having that context was huge for me. I want

683
00:39:43,280 --> 00:39:45,560
Speaker 3: to hear about how you were able to apply these

684
00:39:45,600 --> 00:39:49,400
Speaker 3: principles in the difficulty of the big things you're talking about,

685
00:39:49,440 --> 00:39:53,759
Speaker 3: because whether it's reconnecting with our parents, whether it's recovering

686
00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:58,160
Speaker 3: from being raped, whether it's dealing with these challenges you've

687
00:39:58,200 --> 00:40:00,680
Speaker 3: dealt with. As you said, it doesn't up and overnight.

688
00:40:00,719 --> 00:40:04,160
Speaker 3: It's not easy. It is the level of study and work.

689
00:40:04,640 --> 00:40:07,520
Speaker 3: But talk to me about the emotional journey of shifting

690
00:40:07,560 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 3: from a victim to whatever you would call this on

691
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 3: the other side, because it would be very natural for

692
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:17,319
Speaker 3: anyone to feel that way. I want to hear about

693
00:40:17,320 --> 00:40:20,319
Speaker 3: the emotional journey and the spiritual journey you went on.

694
00:40:21,719 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: What were some of the steps or stages that you

695
00:40:23,719 --> 00:40:27,280
Speaker 3: saw that if anyone is listening or watching, can recognize

696
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:27,960
Speaker 3: and potentially well.

697
00:40:28,239 --> 00:40:31,000
Speaker 1: The first thing is you're suffering all the time if

698
00:40:31,080 --> 00:40:33,560
Speaker 1: you don't have a spiritual life, like you're just suffering

699
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:37,239
Speaker 1: all the time, and you really think that whatever is

700
00:40:37,280 --> 00:40:39,520
Speaker 1: happening to is like something that's never going to end,

701
00:40:40,680 --> 00:40:42,720
Speaker 1: and you drew the wrong.

702
00:40:42,680 --> 00:40:45,240
Speaker 3: Card, you know, That's how you feel.

703
00:40:46,040 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 1: That's how I used to think. And even now since

704
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 1: I've been studying, there's been times where I've been really

705
00:40:52,560 --> 00:41:00,239
Speaker 1: challenged and really suffered in certain situations, and I if

706
00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:03,480
Speaker 1: I didn't have a spiritual life, I don't know how

707
00:41:03,640 --> 00:41:05,560
Speaker 1: I wanted. You know, there were moments in my life

708
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 1: where I wanted to cut my arms off. I wanted

709
00:41:07,960 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 1: I actually contemplated suicide. And that probably sounds really weird

710
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,720
Speaker 1: coming from me, because I'm not that I'm not emo,

711
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,200
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But I was like, I

712
00:41:17,239 --> 00:41:20,080
Speaker 1: can't take this pain anymore. But as soon as you

713
00:41:20,360 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 1: understand that what's happening to you is a challenge that

714
00:41:25,080 --> 00:41:30,279
Speaker 1: you are karmically meant to experience and learn from and

715
00:41:30,360 --> 00:41:34,719
Speaker 1: evolve to a higher level of consciousness, then you can

716
00:41:34,800 --> 00:41:40,239
Speaker 1: look at that event, that experience as a lesson and

717
00:41:40,280 --> 00:41:41,759
Speaker 1: not punishment.

718
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,440
Speaker 3: What pain at the time pushed you to that place

719
00:41:45,480 --> 00:41:47,800
Speaker 3: of potentially wanting to take your own life.

720
00:41:48,520 --> 00:41:50,440
Speaker 1: I mean, I don't, I don't, I don't. I'm not

721
00:41:50,480 --> 00:41:53,759
Speaker 1: in the blame game. That's the thing. I used to

722
00:41:53,760 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 1: be that way, and I used to always want to

723
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:02,360
Speaker 1: seek a and you know, somebody did did me wrong,

724
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:10,799
Speaker 1: or I would pronounce loudly, oh well, you know, they'll

725
00:42:10,840 --> 00:42:13,919
Speaker 1: get their own karma. Well whatever, you know what I mean.

726
00:42:14,560 --> 00:42:17,839
Speaker 1: And even knowing about karma doesn't mean you're a grown up,

727
00:42:18,200 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 1: that doesn't mean you're not being a victim. But I

728
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: would say probably one of the most painful moments in

729
00:42:25,920 --> 00:42:28,719
Speaker 1: my life where I honestly couldn't see the forest through

730
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:32,960
Speaker 1: the trees for the trees, was when I went through

731
00:42:32,960 --> 00:42:37,600
Speaker 1: a custody battle with my son and I you know,

732
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 1: even though my marriage didn't work out. I mean a

733
00:42:42,440 --> 00:42:44,920
Speaker 1: lot of people marriages don't work out. They marry their

734
00:42:44,960 --> 00:42:47,439
Speaker 1: own people. They're not aligned, they're not meant for each other.

735
00:42:49,080 --> 00:42:51,520
Speaker 1: Someone taking trying to take my child away from me

736
00:42:51,719 --> 00:42:55,959
Speaker 1: was like they might as well just kill me. That's

737
00:42:56,040 --> 00:42:58,560
Speaker 1: really how I was thinking. And I was on tour

738
00:42:58,600 --> 00:43:00,440
Speaker 1: at the time, so I had to go on stage

739
00:43:00,440 --> 00:43:02,399
Speaker 1: every night. I would just be lying on the floor

740
00:43:02,400 --> 00:43:07,239
Speaker 1: of my dressing room sobbing. I really thought it was

741
00:43:07,280 --> 00:43:09,440
Speaker 1: like it was the end of the world. I couldn't

742
00:43:09,440 --> 00:43:15,680
Speaker 1: take it. I just couldn't take it. But thank god,

743
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:19,239
Speaker 1: I don't feel that way anymore. And I had to

744
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:23,480
Speaker 1: keep you know, studying, Like, continuing my studies and continuing

745
00:43:23,480 --> 00:43:27,120
Speaker 1: on my spiritual path like helped me to understand that,

746
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:33,200
Speaker 1: you know, the enemy is within. You know, lots of

747
00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:35,600
Speaker 1: people do lots of bad things and make a lot

748
00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:39,680
Speaker 1: of bad choices, or make choices that cause other people pain,

749
00:43:40,320 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: suffering or chaos or whatever. But at the end of

750
00:43:45,440 --> 00:43:50,560
Speaker 1: the day, I needed to learn some lessons. And I

751
00:43:50,600 --> 00:43:53,880
Speaker 1: can see that with the benefit of hindsight, but I

752
00:43:53,920 --> 00:43:57,239
Speaker 1: couldn't see it at the time. And also I was

753
00:43:57,280 --> 00:44:02,080
Speaker 1: abandoned as a child by my own mother, and so

754
00:44:02,360 --> 00:44:05,600
Speaker 1: losing a child like it was like life repeating itself.

755
00:44:05,800 --> 00:44:09,120
Speaker 1: I couldn't accept it, and so it caused me a

756
00:44:09,160 --> 00:44:12,360
Speaker 1: lot of suffering, and not being able to accept things

757
00:44:12,400 --> 00:44:17,439
Speaker 1: causes all of us a lot of suffering. So yes,

758
00:44:17,520 --> 00:44:20,279
Speaker 1: and now you know, I'm happy to say that I'm

759
00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:24,560
Speaker 1: really good friends with my son. But I couldn't see

760
00:44:24,560 --> 00:44:26,400
Speaker 1: it then. I really thought it was the end of

761
00:44:26,400 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: the world. So, you know, thank god I had a

762
00:44:29,920 --> 00:44:30,600
Speaker 1: spiritual life.

763
00:44:31,160 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 3: Was the lesson radical acceptance.

764
00:44:33,400 --> 00:44:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly. It took me a long time, actually several years.

765
00:44:41,120 --> 00:44:45,719
Speaker 1: Radical acceptance is just accepting that what is happening to

766
00:44:45,719 --> 00:44:49,560
Speaker 1: you is meant to happen to you, and that you're

767
00:44:49,600 --> 00:44:53,279
Speaker 1: going to be okay. I mean, it's not an instant thing.

768
00:44:53,680 --> 00:44:56,360
Speaker 1: There's no such thing as an instant thing. There's no

769
00:44:56,400 --> 00:44:58,919
Speaker 1: way we're going to escape suffering. Even if we grow

770
00:44:59,000 --> 00:45:02,160
Speaker 1: up with wealth privilege, and you know it didn't grow

771
00:45:02,200 --> 00:45:04,600
Speaker 1: up in a small room. You know, our challenges and

772
00:45:04,600 --> 00:45:06,160
Speaker 1: our suffering is going to come to us in a

773
00:45:06,160 --> 00:45:10,040
Speaker 1: different way. I can give you another example of radical acceptance,

774
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 1: and that is and this is something that my teacher

775
00:45:14,520 --> 00:45:17,479
Speaker 1: shared with me about a year and a half ago.

776
00:45:17,680 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 1: I was rehearsing for my tour, a tour and I

777
00:45:22,840 --> 00:45:27,960
Speaker 1: I got a bacterial infection and I one minute I

778
00:45:28,040 --> 00:45:30,759
Speaker 1: was alive and dancing around, and the next minute I

779
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: was in the ICU unit of a hospital. And I

780
00:45:34,360 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: woke up from being unconscious for four days, I got

781
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: out of the hospital. They took me off of you know,

782
00:45:40,760 --> 00:45:42,839
Speaker 1: the ventil Later, I started to breathe on my own,

783
00:45:43,400 --> 00:45:46,279
Speaker 1: and I had something that's something it's called sepsis, and

784
00:45:46,360 --> 00:45:50,480
Speaker 1: it's like it can kill you and everybody recovers at

785
00:45:50,520 --> 00:45:53,600
Speaker 1: a different rate, and so you know, I've always seen

786
00:45:53,640 --> 00:45:56,959
Speaker 1: myself as superwoman. So I was like, oh, I'm gonna

787
00:45:57,000 --> 00:45:59,400
Speaker 1: I'm gonna, this is gonna I'm gonna kick this. I'm

788
00:45:59,440 --> 00:46:01,520
Speaker 1: going to be good. I'm getting back into rehearsals. And

789
00:46:02,160 --> 00:46:04,400
Speaker 1: I had no strength, I had no energy. I couldn't

790
00:46:04,400 --> 00:46:05,840
Speaker 1: get out of bed, and I didn't know when it

791
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,960
Speaker 1: was going to end. And I used to talk to

792
00:46:09,000 --> 00:46:11,120
Speaker 1: my teacher all the time, and he's like, the sooner

793
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,680
Speaker 1: you accept what's happening to you, and that you don't

794
00:46:13,760 --> 00:46:15,719
Speaker 1: know when it's going to end, the sooner it's going

795
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: to end. That made so much sense to me, and

796
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:22,600
Speaker 1: of course it did. But I mean I've heard some

797
00:46:22,640 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: people never recover from it completely, never recover and have

798
00:46:26,760 --> 00:46:32,280
Speaker 1: their like full health again. So again, it's the same idea,

799
00:46:32,400 --> 00:46:36,480
Speaker 1: same concept, like if you sit around feeling sorry for yourself,

800
00:46:37,000 --> 00:46:40,000
Speaker 1: oh well, woe is me? Or poor me? Or this

801
00:46:40,040 --> 00:46:43,920
Speaker 1: is like I don't accept it, I will not accept it. Well,

802
00:46:44,000 --> 00:46:46,920
Speaker 1: then you're just going to be swimming and suffering.

803
00:46:47,040 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 3: You're reminding me of something I read in a it's

804
00:46:50,160 --> 00:46:52,920
Speaker 3: not a spiritual book, but it has a similar message.

805
00:46:52,960 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 3: It's called Culture Code by Daniel Coyle, and he talks

806
00:46:56,640 --> 00:47:00,319
Speaker 3: in this book about how when soldiers were out a war,

807
00:47:01,440 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 3: a lot of them wanted to believe they'd be back

808
00:47:04,680 --> 00:47:09,080
Speaker 3: by Christmas, and there were the others that accepted that

809
00:47:09,120 --> 00:47:11,080
Speaker 3: they had no idea when they were going to get home.

810
00:47:12,160 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 3: And he talks about that those who accepted that they

811
00:47:14,880 --> 00:47:16,400
Speaker 3: had no idea when they were going to get home

812
00:47:16,960 --> 00:47:20,680
Speaker 3: were actually happier and were able to endure what they

813
00:47:20,680 --> 00:47:23,560
Speaker 3: were going through a lot easier than those who hoped

814
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,080
Speaker 3: they'd get back on Christmas and then yeah, didn't.

815
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:28,920
Speaker 1: Yes, it's like the Victor Frankel book.

816
00:47:28,800 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 3: Yes and Such for me, Yeah, yeah, exactly, And it's

817
00:47:32,239 --> 00:47:34,680
Speaker 3: such it's when when I hear it from those really

818
00:47:34,719 --> 00:47:40,600
Speaker 3: extreme scenarios, you're like, wow, if Victor Frankel can think that,

819
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:45,040
Speaker 3: you know, in the experience that he had, you go okay, well,

820
00:47:45,080 --> 00:47:48,279
Speaker 3: and Edith eager with the gift and you go wow,

821
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:50,319
Speaker 3: like yeah, if you can have that experience there, then

822
00:47:50,600 --> 00:47:53,440
Speaker 3: then there must be some truth to that, because how

823
00:47:53,480 --> 00:47:55,440
Speaker 3: could you accept that when it was when you were

824
00:47:55,440 --> 00:47:58,560
Speaker 3: going through the worst. Yeah, yeah, it's really really tough

825
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 3: going back to your experience of that, What would you say,

826
00:48:04,719 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 3: because you mentioned karma there and this idea of choices

827
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:12,120
Speaker 3: we make and lessons we need to learn, and karma

828
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:17,080
Speaker 3: almost being this experience of learning the lessons. How do

829
00:48:17,160 --> 00:48:20,239
Speaker 3: you see karma? How do you define karma from your

830
00:48:20,320 --> 00:48:24,000
Speaker 3: learnings and studies? And let's stop there, and then I'll

831
00:48:24,000 --> 00:48:25,360
Speaker 3: ask the second question after that.

832
00:48:27,320 --> 00:48:31,680
Speaker 1: My personal understanding is that our souls choose the lives

833
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:36,000
Speaker 1: that we are born into the circumstances we are born into,

834
00:48:37,480 --> 00:48:40,799
Speaker 1: that our souls are perfect, but then we're born into

835
00:48:40,880 --> 00:48:46,560
Speaker 1: a life which is one challenge after an next after

836
00:48:46,600 --> 00:48:51,680
Speaker 1: the next, and that our journey is to navigate and

837
00:48:51,719 --> 00:48:56,759
Speaker 1: to see that each challenge that happens to us is

838
00:48:56,800 --> 00:49:02,040
Speaker 1: our karmic destiny. It's energy, the law of its quantum physics,

839
00:49:02,080 --> 00:49:05,799
Speaker 1: it's caused and effect. Whatever's happening to me that might

840
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:10,520
Speaker 1: be uncomfortable is obviously meant to happen to me to

841
00:49:10,640 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: teach me a lesson. And if I don't learn that

842
00:49:12,920 --> 00:49:16,160
Speaker 1: lesson at that point, it's going to come up again

843
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:21,440
Speaker 1: and again and again until I learn it and accept

844
00:49:22,320 --> 00:49:25,520
Speaker 1: then it's a lesson, not a punishment. So that's how

845
00:49:25,560 --> 00:49:27,200
Speaker 1: you get out of victim mentality.

846
00:49:27,239 --> 00:49:31,080
Speaker 3: Also, what was the lesson that kept repeating for you

847
00:49:32,480 --> 00:49:34,440
Speaker 3: and took you a bit longer than you would have

848
00:49:34,520 --> 00:49:37,040
Speaker 3: liked to learn. What was the one that kept showing up?

849
00:49:38,239 --> 00:49:44,759
Speaker 1: Betrayal or abandonment Sometimes they go hand in hand, but

850
00:49:46,239 --> 00:49:48,920
Speaker 1: it really kept me like I saw a lot of

851
00:49:48,960 --> 00:49:52,080
Speaker 1: people or I felt and experienced it. I was constantly

852
00:49:52,120 --> 00:49:58,399
Speaker 1: being either abandoned or betrayed. So that kept me in

853
00:49:58,400 --> 00:50:02,200
Speaker 1: a state sometimes off, often like feeling sorry for myself,

854
00:50:03,000 --> 00:50:07,800
Speaker 1: stuck in a place of blaming others and not taking

855
00:50:07,840 --> 00:50:11,680
Speaker 1: responsibilities for well, how did I bring this upon myself?

856
00:50:12,160 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: Or why asking the question well, why is this happening

857
00:50:15,640 --> 00:50:18,360
Speaker 1: to me? Over and over again? Obviously I need to

858
00:50:18,440 --> 00:50:23,480
Speaker 1: learn something. I think everybody if they think about it,

859
00:50:23,560 --> 00:50:26,160
Speaker 1: like what is the thing that always comes back to you?

860
00:50:26,360 --> 00:50:30,440
Speaker 1: Or like for everybody it's something different. Obviously, I think

861
00:50:30,680 --> 00:50:34,880
Speaker 1: the abandonment thing was the greatest lesson to that I

862
00:50:34,920 --> 00:50:39,040
Speaker 1: could teach me that I could stop being destroyed by

863
00:50:39,080 --> 00:50:44,239
Speaker 1: it or paralyzed by it. Was to think of all

864
00:50:44,400 --> 00:50:48,640
Speaker 1: like how am I not showing up for other people?

865
00:50:49,160 --> 00:50:51,280
Speaker 1: How am I abandoning other people?

866
00:50:51,920 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 3: How am I abandoning myself?

867
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,080
Speaker 1: How long have I been not listening to myself, my

868
00:50:57,160 --> 00:51:01,960
Speaker 1: inner truth, my inner voice. Yes, and we all say

869
00:51:02,000 --> 00:51:04,720
Speaker 1: goodbye to our inner selves at some point or another

870
00:51:05,400 --> 00:51:07,960
Speaker 1: until something wakes us up. Push has to come to

871
00:51:08,000 --> 00:51:11,359
Speaker 1: shop for everybody, there's just no way to escape it.

872
00:51:11,640 --> 00:51:15,239
Speaker 1: So that's something that as a concept that you have

873
00:51:15,280 --> 00:51:19,400
Speaker 1: to get your head around. There's no running away from

874
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:25,640
Speaker 1: being tested. There's no running away from experiencing pain, suffering,

875
00:51:25,680 --> 00:51:31,040
Speaker 1: whether it's physical or emotional. I mean, and that obviously

876
00:51:31,160 --> 00:51:35,320
Speaker 1: that takes life experience and living and you know, going

877
00:51:36,480 --> 00:51:39,319
Speaker 1: everything's going well for me, I'm so happy, everything's great.

878
00:51:39,360 --> 00:51:42,560
Speaker 1: Oh no, this is like, this is a failure. People

879
00:51:42,600 --> 00:51:46,719
Speaker 1: are writing negative shit about me, like you know, or

880
00:51:47,239 --> 00:51:50,200
Speaker 1: this relationship ended, or this person cheated on me or this,

881
00:51:50,520 --> 00:51:52,239
Speaker 1: you know, like all these things that happened to you.

882
00:51:53,800 --> 00:51:57,640
Speaker 1: Rejection like and then you go and you go, no,

883
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:00,680
Speaker 1: I'm not happy. If you're going to go through life

884
00:52:00,719 --> 00:52:04,080
Speaker 1: like being a slave to these like ups and downs,

885
00:52:04,120 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 1: you're just going to be like, I don't know how

886
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:10,960
Speaker 1: you can last, obviously, I mean it's obvious to me.

887
00:52:11,320 --> 00:52:13,000
Speaker 1: I don't know if it's obvious to you or anybody

888
00:52:13,040 --> 00:52:17,440
Speaker 1: who's watching this, But I don't know how we can

889
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:21,720
Speaker 1: maintain our sanity, and especially now. I mean when people

890
00:52:21,760 --> 00:52:24,160
Speaker 1: lived simpler lives and we didn't see what was going

891
00:52:24,160 --> 00:52:26,080
Speaker 1: on in the world, and we didn't like we weren't

892
00:52:26,160 --> 00:52:31,040
Speaker 1: so connected like we are because of technology and the

893
00:52:31,160 --> 00:52:36,920
Speaker 1: end of the internet whatever, it's hard not to get

894
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:43,120
Speaker 1: like anxious or start blaming or taking sides or feeling

895
00:52:43,320 --> 00:52:44,360
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying.

896
00:52:45,160 --> 00:52:48,080
Speaker 3: Yeah, I loved I loved what you said. This one

897
00:52:48,120 --> 00:52:49,920
Speaker 3: line will stay with me for a long time. I

898
00:52:49,960 --> 00:52:52,879
Speaker 3: really really thought it was beautiful. You said we all

899
00:52:52,920 --> 00:52:57,040
Speaker 3: say goodbye to our in ourselves at some point, and

900
00:52:57,440 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 3: that really landed because that's why it feels like we're

901
00:53:02,040 --> 00:53:04,959
Speaker 3: coming home to ourselves when you and I think everyone

902
00:53:05,000 --> 00:53:08,760
Speaker 3: who's listening and watching can if they've started their spiritual journey,

903
00:53:08,800 --> 00:53:13,279
Speaker 3: they've started their reconnection journey. They know what that feeling's like,

904
00:53:13,320 --> 00:53:16,640
Speaker 3: where it's like, yeah, wait, when I left myself and

905
00:53:16,680 --> 00:53:18,160
Speaker 3: now I'm coming back to myself.

906
00:53:18,200 --> 00:53:20,200
Speaker 1: Yes, I always say, what was I thinking before? I

907
00:53:20,239 --> 00:53:27,279
Speaker 1: was thinking? Right, I don't even know, So I was

908
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:33,279
Speaker 1: just thinking about myself. But ironically and paradoxically, when you're

909
00:53:33,360 --> 00:53:36,720
Speaker 1: just thinking about yourself and consume with yourself, you're actually

910
00:53:36,719 --> 00:53:40,239
Speaker 1: not connected to yourself at all, you know what I mean?

911
00:53:40,560 --> 00:53:44,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, how did it change now when you go through

912
00:53:44,400 --> 00:53:46,879
Speaker 3: betrayal or you go through rejection, or any of those

913
00:53:46,920 --> 00:53:49,200
Speaker 3: things that you talked about. How do you process it

914
00:53:49,280 --> 00:53:53,080
Speaker 3: differently now with your spiritual practices than you did before.

915
00:53:53,200 --> 00:53:55,239
Speaker 3: What's the different experience you have of it?

916
00:53:55,760 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 1: Well? I spend less time feeling sorry for myself, being

917
00:53:59,520 --> 00:54:05,239
Speaker 1: a victim blaming, and more time thinking, okay, why did

918
00:54:05,239 --> 00:54:07,239
Speaker 1: this happen to me? What's the lesson? I mean, I

919
00:54:07,360 --> 00:54:10,520
Speaker 1: go to that sooner well than I did before.

920
00:54:11,200 --> 00:54:14,880
Speaker 3: What's the difference between self blame and accountability? Because I

921
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:18,000
Speaker 3: feel a lot of people fall into the trap of

922
00:54:18,120 --> 00:54:19,880
Speaker 3: now you don't go and blame other people, but you

923
00:54:19,920 --> 00:54:22,320
Speaker 3: blame yourself and you go, I messed up. I should

924
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:23,800
Speaker 3: have chosen right, I should have done that.

925
00:54:23,880 --> 00:54:27,279
Speaker 1: Okay, Well, self reflection and acknowledging and being accountable for

926
00:54:27,320 --> 00:54:30,160
Speaker 1: your behavior. It's not the same as feeling guilty. That

927
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 1: feeling guilty is just you're consumer with your.

928
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:34,040
Speaker 3: Ego flaming yourself.

929
00:54:34,120 --> 00:54:36,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, so you're not going to get anywhere with that.

930
00:54:36,560 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 1: That just stops any kind of growth from happening.

931
00:54:39,840 --> 00:54:42,080
Speaker 3: It's pretty amazing to say that you can speed up

932
00:54:42,120 --> 00:54:45,120
Speaker 3: to that point of asking yourself that question of what

933
00:54:45,160 --> 00:54:48,320
Speaker 3: can I learn from this? I mean, that's the ultimate question.

934
00:54:48,600 --> 00:54:51,000
Speaker 1: Yeah, And believe me, it's not something that stays with

935
00:54:51,080 --> 00:54:53,360
Speaker 1: me all the time. So sometimes I forget and I'm like,

936
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,760
Speaker 1: I'm doing this again. I'm doing it again. I'm falling

937
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:02,560
Speaker 1: back into a familiar pattern. Yeah. But if you don't know,

938
00:55:03,600 --> 00:55:07,319
Speaker 1: then you're not like it's important to know again, not

939
00:55:07,440 --> 00:55:10,360
Speaker 1: beat up on yourself. Well, okay, I made a mistake.

940
00:55:10,920 --> 00:55:16,399
Speaker 1: What can I learn from it? Swallow your pride? How

941
00:55:16,440 --> 00:55:17,560
Speaker 1: your eager to shut up?

942
00:55:17,960 --> 00:55:24,440
Speaker 3: Basically, you mentioned the word manifesting earlier and channeling and

943
00:55:24,480 --> 00:55:27,640
Speaker 3: being a vessel, and I wanted to ask you because

944
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:31,080
Speaker 3: manifesting becomes very popular in the world today as a concept.

945
00:55:31,640 --> 00:55:34,560
Speaker 3: It's at least out there people understand the word. Now.

946
00:55:34,560 --> 00:55:36,840
Speaker 3: When people would look at your career, they would assume

947
00:55:37,000 --> 00:55:42,920
Speaker 3: you've manifested incredible amounts of successful yourself, incredible amounts of

948
00:55:44,080 --> 00:55:48,080
Speaker 3: wins and all the rest of it. Talk to us

949
00:55:48,080 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 3: about your process of manifestation. What does it actually look like.

950
00:55:52,960 --> 00:55:56,719
Speaker 1: If you're manifesting things and you're not conscious that it's

951
00:55:56,800 --> 00:56:00,920
Speaker 1: a gift from the universe, from the life from the creator,

952
00:56:01,440 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: whatever you want to call it. If you're not aware

953
00:56:04,239 --> 00:56:09,759
Speaker 1: of that and you're not conscious, then okay, you you

954
00:56:09,800 --> 00:56:14,000
Speaker 1: invented something great, you created this thing that now is

955
00:56:14,120 --> 00:56:20,839
Speaker 1: selling billions. But everything becomes finite when you're not manifesting

956
00:56:20,960 --> 00:56:26,400
Speaker 1: with the with the consciousness that you are channeling something.

957
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:31,799
Speaker 1: You don't own it. So that's a big thing.

958
00:56:34,000 --> 00:56:35,200
Speaker 3: Sure, So whatever.

959
00:56:35,440 --> 00:56:39,000
Speaker 1: So if I have a successful show, if I have

960
00:56:39,320 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 1: successful if anything happens to me successfully like it is

961
00:56:43,680 --> 00:56:47,880
Speaker 1: perceived as a success in the outside world, I just say,

962
00:56:47,960 --> 00:56:54,319
Speaker 1: you know, that's how blessed am I. I manifested that

963
00:56:54,560 --> 00:56:59,640
Speaker 1: with the help of God. I didn't do it on

964
00:56:59,680 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: my own. I do nothing on my own. And if

965
00:57:04,800 --> 00:57:07,400
Speaker 1: if you think you're manifesting on your own in your

966
00:57:07,920 --> 00:57:09,960
Speaker 1: you're like an ostrich with your head in the sand,

967
00:57:10,880 --> 00:57:14,359
Speaker 1: and there will be an end to whatever you're manifesting.

968
00:57:14,760 --> 00:57:18,840
Speaker 3: So if someone desires something, they've got to recognize that

969
00:57:19,840 --> 00:57:24,600
Speaker 3: it's not their hand, it's something that they're willing to become.

970
00:57:24,800 --> 00:57:24,960
Speaker 4: Well.

971
00:57:25,760 --> 00:57:31,280
Speaker 1: I mean, it requires work to be conscious, It requires

972
00:57:31,320 --> 00:57:35,160
Speaker 1: work to see that you're channeling something and being a

973
00:57:35,240 --> 00:57:39,480
Speaker 1: vessel for something. So you do have your part in it,

974
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:41,560
Speaker 1: but you're not on your own. That's the point.

975
00:57:42,360 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 3: And a lot of us feel like, I'm going to

976
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,000
Speaker 3: do this. When I do this, I'll get this, and

977
00:57:48,040 --> 00:57:50,920
Speaker 3: when I get this, then I will be this person that's.

978
00:57:50,800 --> 00:57:57,200
Speaker 1: Desire for selfish reasons. You're you know, manifesting success is

979
00:57:57,240 --> 00:58:00,960
Speaker 1: whenever you want something for the sake of sharing, when

980
00:58:00,960 --> 00:58:03,480
Speaker 1: you want something just for yourself, Like I'll be happy

981
00:58:03,480 --> 00:58:07,600
Speaker 1: when I have ten bugattis and a mansion in every

982
00:58:07,720 --> 00:58:11,880
Speaker 1: major city and I'm the brand ambassador of Louis Vuitton.

983
00:58:13,520 --> 00:58:15,760
Speaker 1: No sense to Louis Vuitton, just throwing that out there,

984
00:58:15,800 --> 00:58:17,520
Speaker 1: but you know what I mean, Like those things like

985
00:58:17,600 --> 00:58:22,400
Speaker 1: really make people happy, but it's short lived and sooner

986
00:58:22,480 --> 00:58:26,840
Speaker 1: or later. Everybody comes to that realization anyways. It's just

987
00:58:26,880 --> 00:58:30,080
Speaker 1: whether it's sooner or later. And these are the things.

988
00:58:30,160 --> 00:58:33,280
Speaker 1: I talk about this in our studies. You know, let's

989
00:58:33,280 --> 00:58:35,880
Speaker 1: get back to why I'm here, and my intention is

990
00:58:35,920 --> 00:58:39,120
Speaker 1: to share my spiritual life with people. We talk about

991
00:58:39,160 --> 00:58:43,920
Speaker 1: in our studies, we talk about manifesting, and we talk

992
00:58:44,000 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 1: about being a channel, and you know, I share in

993
00:58:50,040 --> 00:58:53,040
Speaker 1: one of the studies, I talk about writing my first song,

994
00:58:53,120 --> 00:58:57,720
Speaker 1: for example, and how I taught myself how to play

995
00:58:57,840 --> 00:59:01,760
Speaker 1: the drums, and I my friend, my boyfriend at the time,

996
00:59:01,800 --> 00:59:03,040
Speaker 1: was in a band, and he taught me how to

997
00:59:03,040 --> 00:59:08,600
Speaker 1: play guitar, like just simple chords, and when nobody was around,

998
00:59:09,280 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: I would start playing with all the instruments and start

999
00:59:13,240 --> 00:59:16,280
Speaker 1: without thinking, without any like I'm going to be this

1000
00:59:16,440 --> 00:59:18,520
Speaker 1: or I'm going to be that. Let me just I

1001
00:59:18,600 --> 00:59:21,439
Speaker 1: just sat down and wrote a song for the first time,

1002
00:59:21,480 --> 00:59:23,720
Speaker 1: and I was and I was very conscious at that

1003
00:59:23,840 --> 00:59:28,040
Speaker 1: moment after it happened, where did that come from? Well?

1004
00:59:28,040 --> 00:59:31,040
Speaker 1: How did that happen? I didn't grow up with musicians.

1005
00:59:31,080 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 1: I didn't grow up with songwriters, no one. I didn't

1006
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:38,400
Speaker 1: have a goal to be that. Where did it come from?

1007
00:59:39,640 --> 00:59:42,720
Speaker 1: And so when you start like opening your eyes to that,

1008
00:59:42,880 --> 00:59:45,080
Speaker 1: where did how did that happen? Where did that come from?

1009
00:59:45,120 --> 00:59:50,000
Speaker 1: Then you see you see the possibilities, You see the

1010
00:59:50,040 --> 00:59:54,800
Speaker 1: magic of the universe of life, and you see that

1011
00:59:55,840 --> 00:59:59,120
Speaker 1: you know that was that was a gift. Some angels

1012
00:59:59,160 --> 01:00:02,880
Speaker 1: showed up in my room and you know what am

1013
01:00:02,920 --> 01:00:06,280
Speaker 1: I going to do with that gift? So these moments

1014
01:00:06,360 --> 01:00:09,720
Speaker 1: happened to you throughout life. They happen to everybody, whether

1015
01:00:09,760 --> 01:00:15,240
Speaker 1: you're saving someone's life or you have this incredible idea

1016
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:17,880
Speaker 1: for some life saving invention. You know what I mean.

1017
01:00:18,720 --> 01:00:21,920
Speaker 1: We're all blessed with those moments, and it's you know,

1018
01:00:22,000 --> 01:00:24,640
Speaker 1: it's really the important thing is to acknowledge where that

1019
01:00:24,760 --> 01:00:27,040
Speaker 1: came from. That's really manifesting.

1020
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:32,480
Speaker 3: I love that. That's my favorite explanation and manifestation I've

1021
01:00:32,480 --> 01:00:35,880
Speaker 3: ever heard. Truly, it really is, because I think what

1022
01:00:36,000 --> 01:00:40,600
Speaker 3: often happens in substitute of what you said is we

1023
01:00:40,680 --> 01:00:43,960
Speaker 3: have an idea and then we try and manufacture that

1024
01:00:44,600 --> 01:00:48,360
Speaker 3: set of inputs and outputs again to get that again,

1025
01:00:48,920 --> 01:00:52,160
Speaker 3: and then it doesn't work, and then we're confused because like,

1026
01:00:52,240 --> 01:00:54,640
Speaker 3: wait a minute, last time I did this and did

1027
01:00:54,680 --> 01:00:56,320
Speaker 3: this and did this, then I got this, and now

1028
01:00:56,360 --> 01:00:57,919
Speaker 3: I'm trying to do it again, and then you get

1029
01:00:57,960 --> 01:01:00,880
Speaker 3: stuck because now you think you can't do it. But

1030
01:01:00,920 --> 01:01:04,800
Speaker 3: the reality is that's just a very functional way of

1031
01:01:04,840 --> 01:01:11,040
Speaker 3: looking at something that's far beyond input output and manufacturing.

1032
01:01:11,080 --> 01:01:14,840
Speaker 3: You can't manufacture to manifest it doesn't make sense. No, Yeah,

1033
01:01:14,840 --> 01:01:18,240
Speaker 3: I really really like that. I really really appreciate that definition,

1034
01:01:18,280 --> 01:01:20,760
Speaker 3: and I think that's going to help a lot of

1035
01:01:20,800 --> 01:01:23,800
Speaker 3: people because I think the way it's being talked about

1036
01:01:23,880 --> 01:01:26,320
Speaker 3: right now is just being be clear about your goals

1037
01:01:26,360 --> 01:01:29,600
Speaker 3: and be really clear about what you want. And I

1038
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:31,040
Speaker 3: mean that's important too.

1039
01:01:31,760 --> 01:01:36,000
Speaker 1: Say out loud what you want out of life. That

1040
01:01:36,120 --> 01:01:39,680
Speaker 1: is important, but it's it's you're in a partnership that

1041
01:01:39,680 --> 01:01:44,880
Speaker 1: that's really what's important to remember. Yeah, and we become

1042
01:01:44,920 --> 01:01:48,240
Speaker 1: our environments as well, So we want to surround ourselves

1043
01:01:48,280 --> 01:01:51,160
Speaker 1: with people who with like minded individuals. And if you

1044
01:01:51,200 --> 01:01:55,800
Speaker 1: are around people who also are attaining to reach a

1045
01:01:55,880 --> 01:01:58,520
Speaker 1: higher level of consciousness or want to know the deeper

1046
01:01:58,560 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: meanings of life, or want to look inward and figure

1047
01:02:01,440 --> 01:02:05,560
Speaker 1: out why what their karmic destiny is, or even taken

1048
01:02:05,640 --> 01:02:08,760
Speaker 1: to consideration the idea of karma. I mean you need

1049
01:02:08,800 --> 01:02:12,400
Speaker 1: that also because if you don't have that support system,

1050
01:02:12,840 --> 01:02:15,720
Speaker 1: then you can also fall back into the trap of

1051
01:02:16,360 --> 01:02:21,800
Speaker 1: recreating formulas at work or trying to capture some magical

1052
01:02:21,840 --> 01:02:26,120
Speaker 1: moment and make it magic again. And that's just our

1053
01:02:26,160 --> 01:02:28,000
Speaker 1: ego taking over and telling.

1054
01:02:27,800 --> 01:02:31,200
Speaker 3: Us, you know, I did that, I did that, I

1055
01:02:31,200 --> 01:02:32,920
Speaker 3: can do it again. Yeah.

1056
01:02:34,080 --> 01:02:34,280
Speaker 1: No.

1057
01:02:51,040 --> 01:02:53,560
Speaker 3: One of my favorite ways of thinking about it, especially

1058
01:02:53,600 --> 01:02:57,800
Speaker 3: when you said it's a partnership, is when we look

1059
01:02:57,840 --> 01:03:02,200
Speaker 3: at the universe, everything's always said, so the sun's providing

1060
01:03:02,280 --> 01:03:06,920
Speaker 3: light and heat. Waters obviously giving us life, oxygen exists,

1061
01:03:07,000 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 3: trees are giving us shade and fruits and flowers, and

1062
01:03:11,400 --> 01:03:13,800
Speaker 3: so in order to really be in partnership with the universe,

1063
01:03:13,880 --> 01:03:17,200
Speaker 3: one has to want to serve because everything is designed

1064
01:03:17,240 --> 01:03:21,920
Speaker 3: to serve and give, and everything's designed to give and

1065
01:03:22,040 --> 01:03:25,040
Speaker 3: serve and provide. And so when we're not serving, we're

1066
01:03:25,080 --> 01:03:29,720
Speaker 3: actually acting against the universe because everything in the universe

1067
01:03:29,800 --> 01:03:33,280
Speaker 3: is designed simply to give. We're wired for generosity but

1068
01:03:33,480 --> 01:03:38,640
Speaker 3: educated for greed, and when that juxtaposition comes up against itself,

1069
01:03:38,680 --> 01:03:41,320
Speaker 3: it just creates friction. It's like, we all feel better

1070
01:03:41,360 --> 01:03:43,919
Speaker 3: when we do something for someone else. Absolutely, we all

1071
01:03:43,920 --> 01:03:47,240
Speaker 3: feel more joy when you take care of someone in need,

1072
01:03:47,520 --> 01:03:49,120
Speaker 3: more than if you did it for yourself. And the

1073
01:03:49,120 --> 01:03:51,920
Speaker 3: science and the research backs up as well. This isn't

1074
01:03:51,960 --> 01:03:53,960
Speaker 3: some woo woo spiritual idea.

1075
01:03:54,480 --> 01:03:56,320
Speaker 1: No, absolutely the truth.

1076
01:03:56,440 --> 01:03:59,480
Speaker 3: But it's amazing how our conditioning and education is so

1077
01:03:59,560 --> 01:04:02,000
Speaker 3: the oppos it that we will believe.

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Speaker 1: That every man for himself.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, that's the statement. No, how much unconditioning does

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01:04:08,560 --> 01:04:10,880
Speaker 3: it take for us to lose the every man for

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Speaker 3: himself mindset? What does that look like in your spiritual practice?

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Speaker 1: And journey especially and not fall back into that trapuing

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Speaker 1: to continue to have a spiritual life, spiritual practice, to study,

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01:04:24,000 --> 01:04:27,240
Speaker 1: to stop every you know, whether every day, once a

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01:04:27,280 --> 01:04:33,720
Speaker 1: week you people don't have some kind of ritualistic moment

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Speaker 1: in their life, like I said, whether it's every day

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Speaker 1: or a few times a week, that like, what's going

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01:04:39,880 --> 01:04:44,360
Speaker 1: to stop you? You know what I mean? You have

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01:04:44,440 --> 01:04:48,960
Speaker 1: to have that moment where you're thinking about what you've done,

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01:04:49,120 --> 01:04:51,640
Speaker 1: thinking about what you'd like to do, thinking about what

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01:04:52,200 --> 01:04:56,600
Speaker 1: you know. Have I capitalized on the opportunities that have

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01:04:56,680 --> 01:05:03,640
Speaker 1: come my way, not monetarily spiritually like what did I

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01:05:03,720 --> 01:05:08,000
Speaker 1: do to help someone? What have I done for others?

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01:05:10,160 --> 01:05:12,000
Speaker 1: I mean, that's really the only way you can be

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Speaker 1: successful in life.

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Speaker 3: What were you trying to channel when you were creating

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01:05:15,880 --> 01:05:18,400
Speaker 3: in your music and what were you trying to do

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01:05:18,440 --> 01:05:19,919
Speaker 3: to help people? What was well?

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Speaker 1: In the beginning, I just wanted to be somebody. I

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01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: just wanted to be somebody like I wanted to have

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Speaker 1: a voice. I wanted to make a difference in the world.

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Speaker 1: But I wasn't clear about what that meant. Now I'm

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Speaker 1: clear about what it means.

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Speaker 3: What does it mean today that.

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Speaker 1: Everything I say has weight and gravity, and that words

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01:05:37,560 --> 01:05:41,720
Speaker 1: are powerful and actions are powerful. And I always ask

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01:05:41,840 --> 01:05:45,920
Speaker 1: myself like why am I doing this? Why do I

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01:05:45,960 --> 01:05:48,800
Speaker 1: want to? Why is this song important to me? Why

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Speaker 1: is this performance important to me? Why is this conversation

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Speaker 1: we're having right now important to me? That's really the

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01:05:55,800 --> 01:06:00,760
Speaker 1: difference is like having intention and conscious we're really like

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01:06:01,040 --> 01:06:03,240
Speaker 1: I'm repeating myself over and over again. I can't think

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01:06:03,240 --> 01:06:07,920
Speaker 1: of other words that capture that, but self awareness. Self

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01:06:07,920 --> 01:06:10,000
Speaker 1: awareness doesn't really do it because self awareness kind of

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01:06:10,040 --> 01:06:13,920
Speaker 1: implies like selfishness, you know what I mean, a day

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01:06:13,960 --> 01:06:18,360
Speaker 1: at the spa, not that that's not something to be enjoyed.

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Speaker 1: I could I could use sure my roof has been

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01:06:23,640 --> 01:06:26,040
Speaker 1: leaking for a month. Yeah, I want to go to

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Speaker 1: the spot. That's okay, But that's not going to bring

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Speaker 1: me lasting happiness.

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Speaker 3: Well, I think that's the reality of it, right, Like

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01:06:32,840 --> 01:06:37,320
Speaker 3: when you look at your experience, there's this everyone's experience

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01:06:37,360 --> 01:06:39,440
Speaker 3: is this paradox where it's like you have the highest

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01:06:39,480 --> 01:06:42,680
Speaker 3: highs the lowest lows. You have a life that of

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01:06:42,720 --> 01:06:45,680
Speaker 3: course you need everyday self care, but there's also what

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Speaker 3: is lasting happiness and these bigger questions we all live

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01:06:49,080 --> 01:06:51,840
Speaker 3: in this world, but we're not of this world. It's

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Speaker 3: it's almost like everything that it makes more sense to

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Speaker 3: recognize it's both and as opposed to either.

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Speaker 1: Raw well, you have have to live in the paradox. Yeah,

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01:07:01,560 --> 01:07:05,160
Speaker 1: it's like the greatest amount of light is where there's darkness,

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01:07:05,680 --> 01:07:08,160
Speaker 1: and you can reveal the most amount of light when

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01:07:08,200 --> 01:07:09,960
Speaker 1: you're in a dark room. You turn on the light.

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01:07:10,240 --> 01:07:13,600
Speaker 1: When you're in a room that's already light, what do

1135
01:07:13,680 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: you There's no effort made, So should we look for darkness?

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01:07:19,800 --> 01:07:21,960
Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Should be but no, But

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01:07:22,080 --> 01:07:24,800
Speaker 1: when we are in that space where we're feeling dark,

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01:07:24,840 --> 01:07:28,600
Speaker 1: where we're feeling an absence of light, an absence of hope,

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01:07:28,960 --> 01:07:32,840
Speaker 1: an absence of inspiration of vision, then you have to

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01:07:33,280 --> 01:07:37,480
Speaker 1: Those are the moments, the challenging moments, where you say,

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01:07:37,560 --> 01:07:41,280
Speaker 1: you have to say to yourself, this is my opportunity

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01:07:41,640 --> 01:07:46,040
Speaker 1: to bring light to a dark place. You know, spiritual

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01:07:46,080 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: wisdom is not helpful when everything's going your way. It's

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01:07:50,000 --> 01:07:54,760
Speaker 1: helpful when you're challenged and when you're happy. It's it's

1145
01:07:54,960 --> 01:07:59,440
Speaker 1: helpful to remember that at any given time, in any moment,

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01:08:01,000 --> 01:08:03,760
Speaker 1: it could be gone. So don't take it for granted.

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01:08:04,320 --> 01:08:08,200
Speaker 1: Have humility, be grateful when things are going your way,

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01:08:08,440 --> 01:08:11,800
Speaker 1: and when you're being tested, also be grateful. That's a

1149
01:08:11,800 --> 01:08:13,440
Speaker 1: hard one. That was a hard one for me. It

1150
01:08:13,560 --> 01:08:18,200
Speaker 1: still is, but I'm glad that I know what I know.

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01:08:19,920 --> 01:08:22,960
Speaker 3: One of the key aspects of this beautiful study series

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01:08:23,000 --> 01:08:26,280
Speaker 3: that you've created is we've talked about some of the

1153
01:08:26,280 --> 01:08:31,000
Speaker 3: themes today. We've talked about karma, there's manifestation, there's desire,

1154
01:08:31,360 --> 01:08:35,000
Speaker 3: there's all of these themes that exist, and one of

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Speaker 3: the big ones that really stood out to me was forgiveness.

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Speaker 3: Because you know, when I listened to you today and

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01:08:42,560 --> 01:08:45,080
Speaker 3: I even watched the studies that you created that I'm

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01:08:45,120 --> 01:08:48,320
Speaker 3: hoping our audience will go and watch and appreciate and

1159
01:08:48,640 --> 01:08:52,599
Speaker 3: learn from as well. You've conquered and continue to try

1160
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:56,880
Speaker 3: to conquer some really difficult emotions, like really really difficult things.

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Speaker 3: And I feel like forgiven for us in the world

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01:09:01,320 --> 01:09:04,920
Speaker 3: today is probably one of the hardest things for us.

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01:09:05,000 --> 01:09:07,639
Speaker 3: Whether we've been betrayed, whether we've been lied to, whether

1164
01:09:07,640 --> 01:09:11,200
Speaker 3: we've been exploited, whether we've been taken advantage of. And

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01:09:11,280 --> 01:09:14,439
Speaker 3: we always hear the age old phrase of forgiveness is

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01:09:14,479 --> 01:09:17,160
Speaker 3: for you, it's not for them. And you hear these things,

1167
01:09:17,200 --> 01:09:20,639
Speaker 3: but it's my wait who says that it's I mean,

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01:09:20,680 --> 01:09:23,960
Speaker 3: it's common like verbiage that exists in the world at

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01:09:24,040 --> 01:09:27,800
Speaker 3: least of this idea that you know, don't hold on

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Speaker 3: to grudges.

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01:09:29,200 --> 01:09:32,760
Speaker 1: Well, you shouldn't, We shouldn't, and it is ultimately liberating

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Speaker 1: for us to forgive. But obviously the world benefits from

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01:09:36,520 --> 01:09:40,639
Speaker 1: our empathy, our ability to forgive.

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Speaker 3: Talk to us about that conditioning.

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Speaker 1: I'm a fighter. You know, if somebody messes with me,

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01:09:46,080 --> 01:09:46,880
Speaker 1: they're going to get it.

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01:09:47,200 --> 01:09:48,400
Speaker 3: That's I've always been like that.

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01:09:48,600 --> 01:09:52,640
Speaker 1: Yes, but you know, when things happen to you and

1179
01:09:52,680 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 1: there's not a tangible enemy that you can like put

1180
01:09:55,439 --> 01:09:56,880
Speaker 1: your finger on, like what are you going to do?

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01:09:57,960 --> 01:10:03,680
Speaker 1: You absolutely into radical exceptions, but you know there's there

1182
01:10:03,720 --> 01:10:06,160
Speaker 1: are things, you know, there are things that have happened

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01:10:06,200 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: to me in my life that I just thought I

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01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:10,920
Speaker 1: will never I will never forgive this person. I will

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01:10:10,960 --> 01:10:15,120
Speaker 1: never Now, I just don't. I don't want to have

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01:10:15,160 --> 01:10:19,720
Speaker 1: those feelings anymore because they're really it's a prison, and

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01:10:19,760 --> 01:10:22,960
Speaker 1: it's poison to not be able to forgive and to

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01:10:23,040 --> 01:10:27,200
Speaker 1: live in a state of like holding a grudge or

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01:10:27,240 --> 01:10:31,640
Speaker 1: hating someone or wanting them to suffer. It's like a

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01:10:31,760 --> 01:10:34,360
Speaker 1: kind of poison. It's like a kind of cancer. And

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01:10:34,520 --> 01:10:37,400
Speaker 1: that's why it's important to find a way to forgive,

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01:10:37,479 --> 01:10:40,240
Speaker 1: even people that you perceive as your biggest enemies for

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01:10:40,280 --> 01:10:45,080
Speaker 1: a really long time. It was my brother who died recently,

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01:10:45,560 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: because I think the hardest ones are the people that

1195
01:10:49,600 --> 01:10:52,400
Speaker 1: you feel like you're the like, they're you're the closest to,

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01:10:52,520 --> 01:10:55,559
Speaker 1: they're your greatest ally, and they turn on you. The

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01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,360
Speaker 1: people that hurt you the most are the people that

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01:10:57,400 --> 01:11:01,280
Speaker 1: you love the most. And when life doesn't go the

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01:11:01,320 --> 01:11:03,879
Speaker 1: way that you expected it to go, that you suddenly

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01:11:03,960 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 1: that this pain is unbearable and that you think what's

1201
01:11:07,120 --> 01:11:10,160
Speaker 1: going to save you is to think vengeful thoughts or

1202
01:11:10,160 --> 01:11:11,960
Speaker 1: to never forgive, like that's going to give you some

1203
01:11:12,080 --> 01:11:16,040
Speaker 1: kind of power, magical power. It doesn't just weighs you

1204
01:11:16,080 --> 01:11:21,479
Speaker 1: down and eats away at you and is poisonous. So

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01:11:23,040 --> 01:11:25,360
Speaker 1: having to forgive my brother, knowing that I had to

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01:11:25,400 --> 01:11:27,920
Speaker 1: forgive my brother, it was you know, it's like your

1207
01:11:27,960 --> 01:11:31,360
Speaker 1: ego dances around it like yeah, yeah, yeah, I'll get

1208
01:11:31,400 --> 01:11:35,120
Speaker 1: to it. I'll get to calling him up or talking

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01:11:35,120 --> 01:11:37,880
Speaker 1: to him or being his friend or helping him. But

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01:11:38,000 --> 01:11:43,559
Speaker 1: eventually I did. And I know I'm being mysterious. If

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01:11:43,560 --> 01:11:47,680
Speaker 1: someone you love deeply betrays you and does something that

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01:11:48,479 --> 01:11:52,000
Speaker 1: shows that they have no consciousness in that moment that

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01:11:52,040 --> 01:11:55,680
Speaker 1: they made that choice to do that, it's really it's

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01:11:55,720 --> 01:11:58,840
Speaker 1: a bitter pill for me to swallow. I can't speak

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01:11:58,880 --> 01:12:01,920
Speaker 1: for everyone, but I imagine that lots of people feel

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01:12:01,920 --> 01:12:05,880
Speaker 1: this way. For my brother, I didn't speak to him

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01:12:05,920 --> 01:12:10,320
Speaker 1: for you know, for years, years and years, and it

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01:12:10,400 --> 01:12:16,040
Speaker 1: was him being ill and reaching out to me and

1219
01:12:16,120 --> 01:12:20,439
Speaker 1: saying I need your help, and me having that moment

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01:12:20,680 --> 01:12:24,960
Speaker 1: like am I going to help my enemy? You know?

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01:12:25,160 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 3: That's how it fell.

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01:12:26,160 --> 01:12:31,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I just did, and I ended up and

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01:12:32,080 --> 01:12:36,559
Speaker 1: I felt so relieved, and it was such a load

1224
01:12:36,680 --> 01:12:40,160
Speaker 1: off my back, such a weight that was removed, baggage

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01:12:40,240 --> 01:12:42,519
Speaker 1: that I could put down to finally be able to

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01:12:42,560 --> 01:12:44,639
Speaker 1: be in a room with him and holding his hand

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01:12:44,680 --> 01:12:48,160
Speaker 1: even if he was dying, and saying I love you

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01:12:48,320 --> 01:12:52,519
Speaker 1: and I forgive you. That was really important. And that

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01:12:52,720 --> 01:12:55,200
Speaker 1: was another thing that I realized when I woke up

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01:12:55,240 --> 01:12:59,040
Speaker 1: in the hospital, forgiveness. That word came to my mind,

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01:12:59,240 --> 01:13:02,679
Speaker 1: like I have to forgive people because I was there,

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01:13:03,160 --> 01:13:05,960
Speaker 1: I was almost there on the other side, and I

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01:13:07,120 --> 01:13:09,880
Speaker 1: had a conscious moment and my mother appeared to me

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01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 1: and she said, do you want to come with me?

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01:13:13,800 --> 01:13:17,200
Speaker 1: And I said no. My assistant was in the room

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01:13:17,479 --> 01:13:20,320
Speaker 1: with me, but I was still unconscious, but she heard

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01:13:20,320 --> 01:13:24,559
Speaker 1: me say no. And then when I did eventually wake up,

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01:13:25,840 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: I realized that the no was about me needing to

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01:13:31,000 --> 01:13:36,960
Speaker 1: forgive and make good with people that I still held

1240
01:13:37,040 --> 01:13:43,240
Speaker 1: grudges against. So and interestingly well, I wrote a song

1241
01:13:43,240 --> 01:13:45,679
Speaker 1: about him. I'm working on new music and I wrote

1242
01:13:45,720 --> 01:13:48,640
Speaker 1: a song called Fragile, which is about my brother. And

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01:13:48,680 --> 01:13:51,640
Speaker 1: then I wrote another song, and this is again just channeling.

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01:13:52,240 --> 01:13:57,759
Speaker 1: It's called forgive Yourself, but the repeating phrase the chorus

1245
01:13:57,760 --> 01:13:59,800
Speaker 1: of the song is if you can't forgive me, forgive

1246
01:13:59,800 --> 01:14:03,559
Speaker 1: your which is something we all have to do. We

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01:14:03,640 --> 01:14:05,639
Speaker 1: have to forgive others, but we also have to figure

1248
01:14:06,000 --> 01:14:09,880
Speaker 1: forgive ourselves and stop beating up on ourselves about things

1249
01:14:10,080 --> 01:14:15,600
Speaker 1: choices we've made in the past that haven't worked out

1250
01:14:15,960 --> 01:14:20,960
Speaker 1: for ourselves or other people. Taking responsibility again, we come

1251
01:14:21,000 --> 01:14:23,720
Speaker 1: back to that concept also, or that idea of being

1252
01:14:23,760 --> 01:14:27,080
Speaker 1: accountable and being responsible. Taking responsibility as a very big

1253
01:14:27,720 --> 01:14:31,360
Speaker 1: lesson that I learned studying Cabala is that I am responsible.

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01:14:31,840 --> 01:14:36,960
Speaker 1: I am responsible and every and I believe in personal accountability,

1255
01:14:37,000 --> 01:14:40,880
Speaker 1: personal karma, and I believe in global karma. Like a

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01:14:40,920 --> 01:14:42,679
Speaker 1: lot of the things that are happening in the world

1257
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:48,719
Speaker 1: is as a result of our selfishness as people, as humans,

1258
01:14:48,760 --> 01:14:52,519
Speaker 1: as a society, we are responsible. You can't just sit

1259
01:14:52,560 --> 01:14:54,479
Speaker 1: in your room or your house or the safety of

1260
01:14:54,520 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: your home and go people are you know, they deserve

1261
01:14:59,000 --> 01:15:06,080
Speaker 1: it whatever to be aware and conscious that you're contributed

1262
01:15:06,120 --> 01:15:12,559
Speaker 1: in some way, shape or form. And at the same time,

1263
01:15:13,200 --> 01:15:19,040
Speaker 1: if we have collectively unconsciously evolved to a higher state

1264
01:15:19,040 --> 01:15:23,599
Speaker 1: of consciousness, we can change the world. But that also

1265
01:15:23,640 --> 01:15:26,719
Speaker 1: sounds like a cliche, but make the world a better place.

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01:15:27,120 --> 01:15:30,960
Speaker 1: Tip the balance, so to speak. But that's why I'm here,

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01:15:31,600 --> 01:15:33,280
Speaker 1: and that's why I'm talking to you, and that's why

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01:15:33,320 --> 01:15:37,599
Speaker 1: I made these This is why I documented my studies

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01:15:37,640 --> 01:15:40,400
Speaker 1: with my teacher, because I really believe that this wisdom

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01:15:40,439 --> 01:15:42,880
Speaker 1: can help other people in a very practical way, not

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01:15:42,920 --> 01:15:46,280
Speaker 1: in an esthetic way. And that's why I'm here.

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Speaker 3: Thank you for sharing that and that journey you went

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01:15:50,400 --> 01:15:53,880
Speaker 3: on of forgiveness, because yeah, for you to be that

1274
01:15:53,960 --> 01:15:57,519
Speaker 3: honest and vulnerable and explain that that was someone that

1275
01:15:57,560 --> 01:15:59,559
Speaker 3: you felt was an enemy at that point, but the

1276
01:15:59,600 --> 01:16:03,000
Speaker 3: relief you felt from helping someone, I mean, that's like,

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01:16:03,520 --> 01:16:06,040
Speaker 3: you know, I'm thinking about the people that are listening

1278
01:16:06,080 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 3: and watching right now and the experience that they're having

1279
01:16:10,960 --> 01:16:15,479
Speaker 3: where they're really struggling to forgive themselves or forgive someone else,

1280
01:16:16,640 --> 01:16:19,400
Speaker 3: and looking at it from the point of view of

1281
01:16:21,080 --> 01:16:23,600
Speaker 3: what would that look like if you never got that opportunity.

1282
01:16:24,680 --> 01:16:26,920
Speaker 3: I know so many people who regret the last thing

1283
01:16:26,960 --> 01:16:29,960
Speaker 3: they said to their parents, or the last thing they

1284
01:16:30,000 --> 01:16:33,120
Speaker 3: said to a loved one, or whoever it may be,

1285
01:16:34,120 --> 01:16:39,599
Speaker 3: and it seems that vengeance and spite doesn't seem to

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01:16:39,640 --> 01:16:40,320
Speaker 3: heal the soul.

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01:16:40,720 --> 01:16:47,160
Speaker 1: Well, harsh words and harsh behavior is energy, and you

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Speaker 1: can never take it back, but you can change your destiny,

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01:16:52,320 --> 01:16:57,040
Speaker 1: your karmic destiny, and one of those ways is to

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01:16:57,280 --> 01:16:59,200
Speaker 1: forgive others and forgive yourself.

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Speaker 3: Oh No, You've been so gracious with your time, your energy,

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01:17:02,880 --> 01:17:06,280
Speaker 3: and vulnerability today. I feel like I've learned so much

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01:17:06,320 --> 01:17:10,200
Speaker 3: about you. I've very grateful to get and you said

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01:17:10,240 --> 01:17:14,000
Speaker 3: you repeated yourself, but I'd honestly say that I enjoyed

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01:17:14,040 --> 01:17:17,920
Speaker 3: that because it shows to me the good training is

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01:17:17,960 --> 01:17:20,800
Speaker 3: good repetition, And so if you have the same, if

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01:17:20,840 --> 01:17:24,920
Speaker 3: you have a similar mindset towards something, it's not in

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01:17:24,960 --> 01:17:25,799
Speaker 3: the material world.

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Speaker 1: You only get good at something if you do it

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01:17:27,600 --> 01:17:27,880
Speaker 1: a lot.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, in the material world we know that, but we

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01:17:30,360 --> 01:17:33,320
Speaker 3: often look at repeating as I have heard that before.

1303
01:17:33,320 --> 01:17:37,200
Speaker 3: I know that. But actually the thing we think we

1304
01:17:37,320 --> 01:17:39,360
Speaker 3: know the most is the thing we need to hear

1305
01:17:39,840 --> 01:17:44,960
Speaker 3: more often. And when I think about the detailed the vaders,

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01:17:45,600 --> 01:17:48,240
Speaker 3: you're the soul, not the body, is the most repeated lesson.

1307
01:17:48,240 --> 01:17:50,960
Speaker 3: It's the first lesson, but the most repeating. You're the soul,

1308
01:17:51,040 --> 01:17:54,599
Speaker 3: your consciousness, not the body. Yes, is repeated more than

1309
01:17:54,640 --> 01:17:56,680
Speaker 3: any other teaching, even though it's the most obvious, and

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01:17:56,720 --> 01:17:58,000
Speaker 3: it's the first teaching.

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01:17:57,960 --> 01:18:01,479
Speaker 1: Very obvious. But so look how attached we are psicicy.

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01:18:00,960 --> 01:18:04,160
Speaker 3: Exactly, so you need to repeat it. But I was

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01:18:04,200 --> 01:18:06,479
Speaker 3: thinking that this might be a perfect time because you've

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01:18:06,479 --> 01:18:09,240
Speaker 3: been referencing in this conversation. You've referenced your teachers so

1315
01:18:09,280 --> 01:18:13,200
Speaker 3: many times, and we're fortunate enough today to actually have

1316
01:18:13,280 --> 01:18:16,680
Speaker 3: the opportunity to invite him onto the show. And if

1317
01:18:16,680 --> 01:18:18,000
Speaker 3: you're open to it, I think this may be there

1318
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,920
Speaker 3: would love shoure do it? Yeah, do it perfect a Don.

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01:18:22,080 --> 01:18:24,479
Speaker 3: I'm so grateful that we actually get to speak to you.

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Speaker 3: Madonna's been talking about you the whole interview, and I

1321
01:18:28,040 --> 01:18:29,719
Speaker 3: want our audience to know. Of course, you were sitting

1322
01:18:29,760 --> 01:18:32,519
Speaker 3: in on our conversation as well, and so you have

1323
01:18:32,600 --> 01:18:34,840
Speaker 3: context of everything we talked about, and of course you

1324
01:18:34,920 --> 01:18:38,439
Speaker 3: have twenty nine years of context of everything Madonna shared

1325
01:18:38,439 --> 01:18:41,160
Speaker 3: with us over the last couple of hours. But thank

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01:18:41,200 --> 01:18:42,519
Speaker 3: you so much for doing this, and thank you for

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01:18:42,560 --> 01:18:42,960
Speaker 3: being here.

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Speaker 4: Thank you for having the honor of being here and

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01:18:46,920 --> 01:18:51,640
Speaker 4: being part of really sharing these teachings.

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Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, I was sharing with you earlier that my

1331
01:18:54,280 --> 01:18:57,120
Speaker 3: vision when I started my platform was to make wisdom

1332
01:18:57,160 --> 01:19:01,719
Speaker 3: go viral, especially ancient wisdom, and so this is truly

1333
01:19:01,840 --> 01:19:04,760
Speaker 3: my heart's work, and so thank you for the opportunity back.

1334
01:19:05,240 --> 01:19:07,600
Speaker 3: I want to dive in because we've heard about my

1335
01:19:07,680 --> 01:19:11,160
Speaker 3: daughter's journey and her journey to Kabbalah, but I would

1336
01:19:11,160 --> 01:19:13,479
Speaker 3: love to hear how you came to it, because I'm

1337
01:19:13,479 --> 01:19:18,000
Speaker 3: assuming everyone has their own spiritual journey of awakening or connecting,

1338
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Speaker 3: and I'm sure many of our listeners today are either

1339
01:19:21,280 --> 01:19:23,680
Speaker 3: on their spiritual journey want to start one, but I'd

1340
01:19:23,720 --> 01:19:26,599
Speaker 3: love to hear how did you come to this practice yourself.

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Speaker 4: I started in a young age. I grew up in

1342
01:19:30,600 --> 01:19:34,599
Speaker 4: Israel in a non religious family, and from a young

1343
01:19:34,680 --> 01:19:39,680
Speaker 4: age I was asking questions about life. I think it

1344
01:19:39,760 --> 01:19:42,840
Speaker 4: came from the depth of my soul. It's beyond because

1345
01:19:42,880 --> 01:19:47,400
Speaker 4: someone taught me or anything. And when I was seventeen,

1346
01:19:47,600 --> 01:19:51,320
Speaker 4: my brother introduced me to Kabbala. I went to the

1347
01:19:51,400 --> 01:19:55,080
Speaker 4: Kabbala Center and I met my teacher for many years,

1348
01:19:55,160 --> 01:20:00,320
Speaker 4: the rough Berg, And after hearing one hour of a

1349
01:20:00,439 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 4: lesson of how the universe began and why are we here,

1350
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:11,360
Speaker 4: it resonated in such a deep level. Literally I couldn't

1351
01:20:11,400 --> 01:20:17,679
Speaker 4: sleep for three nights and I felt I'm home. I

1352
01:20:17,720 --> 01:20:23,400
Speaker 4: felt I'm reconnecting to really my purpose, what life is about.

1353
01:20:24,680 --> 01:20:28,640
Speaker 4: And it took few years, and by the age of

1354
01:20:28,920 --> 01:20:35,200
Speaker 4: twenty one, I knew that's my mission in life. So basically,

1355
01:20:35,640 --> 01:20:39,800
Speaker 4: in the last forty years, that's what I'm doing all

1356
01:20:39,920 --> 01:20:44,360
Speaker 4: day long, student and a teacher. In the last forty years.

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Speaker 4: That's beautiful. Like I was saying earlier, I felt like

1358
01:20:47,920 --> 01:20:50,240
Speaker 4: I came to my work when I was eighteen, and

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01:20:50,320 --> 01:20:53,240
Speaker 4: so I'm a couple of decades behind you in my journey,

1360
01:20:53,240 --> 01:20:57,799
Speaker 4: but that idea of discovering something earlier and it resonating

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01:20:57,880 --> 01:21:00,559
Speaker 4: so strongly with your heart and comming in your life

1362
01:21:00,560 --> 01:21:04,400
Speaker 4: to it. What was it like when you first met Madonna?

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Speaker 4: What was that first interaction like?

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Speaker 3: From your from your vantages, from your perspective, tell us about.

1365
01:21:10,400 --> 01:21:14,559
Speaker 4: I don't think she knows. But when Madonna's friend, which

1366
01:21:14,680 --> 01:21:18,839
Speaker 4: studied with me, called me and told me, I'm bringing

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01:21:19,040 --> 01:21:24,519
Speaker 4: Madonna to a class tonight forty people, so told her,

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Speaker 4: you know, I never saw a picture of Madonna. I

1369
01:21:28,320 --> 01:21:35,360
Speaker 4: heard her name, so yeah, so don't worry, She'll sit

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Speaker 4: in the back with me. So that's actually the first time.

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Speaker 3: So you had no idea. You looked like no idea.

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Speaker 4: I did have a clue those days.

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Speaker 3: I was pretty NiFe you you were planned in.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I was totally innision and I didn't I heard

1375
01:21:55,080 --> 01:21:59,000
Speaker 4: the name Madonna, but didn't actually recognized.

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Speaker 3: And then did you connect that evening? Was that well?

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Speaker 4: That evening actually was said, Yeah, we sat in the

1378
01:22:06,200 --> 01:22:09,200
Speaker 4: conference room because we said it invents that will meet

1379
01:22:10,680 --> 01:22:13,240
Speaker 4: and Madonna was very suspicious of me.

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Speaker 3: I can relate to that.

1381
01:22:16,240 --> 01:22:26,000
Speaker 4: What's the agenda here? What's happening. But listen, she had

1382
01:22:26,080 --> 01:22:31,800
Speaker 4: many students. But one of the amazing qualities of Madonna

1383
01:22:32,800 --> 01:22:37,880
Speaker 4: is perseverance, tenacities in the ups and downs. And trust me,

1384
01:22:38,120 --> 01:22:42,120
Speaker 4: I've experienced and seen a lot of ups and downs.

1385
01:22:43,920 --> 01:22:51,759
Speaker 4: But I always say, when you constantly nurturing your soul,

1386
01:22:54,240 --> 01:22:57,599
Speaker 4: your soul will guide you. Our soul is the part

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01:22:57,680 --> 01:23:01,800
Speaker 4: within us which knows all the all the answers that

1388
01:23:02,000 --> 01:23:06,920
Speaker 4: connected to the higher force twenty four to seven. It

1389
01:23:07,040 --> 01:23:11,840
Speaker 4: is our body, our logic, our ego, the layers in

1390
01:23:11,880 --> 01:23:15,639
Speaker 4: our hearts that's blocking us to see and to feel

1391
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:20,599
Speaker 4: the truth. When you just agree with some spiritual concept

1392
01:23:20,640 --> 01:23:23,360
Speaker 4: and once in a while learning so wow, it's amazing.

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Speaker 3: I love it.

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Speaker 4: It's not enough. You need to nurture the soul that

1395
01:23:29,400 --> 01:23:31,640
Speaker 4: that light of the soul and that wisdom of the

1396
01:23:31,760 --> 01:23:36,200
Speaker 4: soul and that intuition that comes from the soul will

1397
01:23:36,320 --> 01:23:41,080
Speaker 4: channel back its energy to your life. Because the source

1398
01:23:41,120 --> 01:23:44,519
Speaker 4: of all protection and the source of all true joy

1399
01:23:45,280 --> 01:23:52,200
Speaker 4: come from the soul. So she has that an amazing

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Speaker 4: and amazing attribute of tenacity and persecuting, not giving up

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01:23:59,479 --> 01:24:00,200
Speaker 4: no matter what.

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Speaker 1: One of the reasons I liked going there is because

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01:24:02,920 --> 01:24:05,280
Speaker 1: it's like it was the only place where people didn't

1404
01:24:05,280 --> 01:24:08,559
Speaker 1: bother me about who I was. I literally sat in

1405
01:24:08,600 --> 01:24:11,880
Speaker 1: the back of a room with folding chairs. As I said,

1406
01:24:11,920 --> 01:24:15,360
Speaker 1: there was mostly men, and no one said a word

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01:24:15,400 --> 01:24:17,280
Speaker 1: to me, No one bothered me, no one said, oh

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01:24:17,360 --> 01:24:18,640
Speaker 1: my god, aren't you ma Donna? Can I have your

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01:24:18,640 --> 01:24:21,200
Speaker 1: autograph for like whatever? Like I just felt like I

1410
01:24:21,200 --> 01:24:22,120
Speaker 1: could be anonymous.

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Speaker 3: There was that the first time you'd experienced that a

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01:24:25,200 --> 01:24:26,160
Speaker 3: new career that well.

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01:24:26,360 --> 01:24:29,200
Speaker 1: For a long time. Yeah, so with a large group

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01:24:29,240 --> 01:24:33,080
Speaker 1: of people and strangers. So I liked the anonymity of

1415
01:24:33,280 --> 01:24:36,280
Speaker 1: just being a student and going there and learning and

1416
01:24:36,360 --> 01:24:38,960
Speaker 1: it had nothing to do with my career or work

1417
01:24:39,120 --> 01:24:43,040
Speaker 1: or yeah, so that it was inviting. So I wanted

1418
01:24:43,040 --> 01:24:45,000
Speaker 1: to go back. And then I would always bring my

1419
01:24:45,160 --> 01:24:49,720
Speaker 1: notebook and take notes. And I have a zillion journals

1420
01:24:49,760 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 1: from all of my classes and studies. And I loved

1421
01:24:52,600 --> 01:24:55,799
Speaker 1: to be a student and learn, and I was learning

1422
01:24:55,840 --> 01:24:58,880
Speaker 1: so much, And I also was so what I loved

1423
01:24:58,920 --> 01:25:02,120
Speaker 1: so much about Kabal and studying Cabal, it was how

1424
01:25:02,560 --> 01:25:08,240
Speaker 1: in tune it was with science and quantum physics. And

1425
01:25:08,280 --> 01:25:12,560
Speaker 1: you know, it wasn't just just because you know what

1426
01:25:12,640 --> 01:25:16,000
Speaker 1: I mean, Like everything made sense to me, and I

1427
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:22,040
Speaker 1: could see how you know, even the idea of you know,

1428
01:25:22,120 --> 01:25:25,400
Speaker 1: how the world was created, or the beginning of life,

1429
01:25:25,560 --> 01:25:28,880
Speaker 1: the idea of you know, Genesis, for instance, or the

1430
01:25:28,920 --> 01:25:32,559
Speaker 1: idea of Adam and Eve. I learned that nothing in

1431
01:25:32,600 --> 01:25:35,360
Speaker 1: life can be taken literally. You have to study the

1432
01:25:35,400 --> 01:25:39,960
Speaker 1: deeper meanings of everything. And that is true for a

1433
01:25:40,000 --> 01:25:44,960
Speaker 1: spiritual practice as well as science, as well as everything

1434
01:25:45,000 --> 01:25:46,880
Speaker 1: we do in life. You can't judge a book by

1435
01:25:46,920 --> 01:25:50,519
Speaker 1: its cover. You can't take things literally. And I was like, oh, Like,

1436
01:25:50,880 --> 01:25:53,599
Speaker 1: when I was growing up as a Catholic, I would

1437
01:25:53,600 --> 01:25:56,720
Speaker 1: always say to my father, well, why do we have

1438
01:25:56,800 --> 01:25:58,519
Speaker 1: to you know, why do we have to address this

1439
01:25:58,600 --> 01:26:01,880
Speaker 1: to church? Why does the you know, like you know,

1440
01:26:01,960 --> 01:26:05,200
Speaker 1: wear a hat, cavery your hat what like? There was

1441
01:26:05,240 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 1: no explanation for anything, and that really bugged me. So

1442
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,360
Speaker 1: if you can't find a reason, if you can't explain

1443
01:26:11,439 --> 01:26:15,280
Speaker 1: something to me, I'm not interested. So he did explain

1444
01:26:15,320 --> 01:26:17,960
Speaker 1: things to me, and they all everything made sense. Nothing

1445
01:26:18,040 --> 01:26:21,040
Speaker 1: was silly. What we do study when we study Kabala

1446
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:26,320
Speaker 1: is the we study the Zohar, and in within the

1447
01:26:26,400 --> 01:26:32,960
Speaker 1: Zohar is everything about life, about medicine, about science, about nature,

1448
01:26:33,200 --> 01:26:42,280
Speaker 1: about relationships, and that was really comforting to me to see.

1449
01:26:42,640 --> 01:26:45,200
Speaker 1: That's what helped me see life is not a series

1450
01:26:45,240 --> 01:26:46,759
Speaker 1: of random events.

1451
01:26:47,760 --> 01:26:50,000
Speaker 3: And you mentioned I mean as I'm listening to Madonna

1452
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:54,680
Speaker 3: speak about this as well. You mentioned obviously you know

1453
01:26:54,800 --> 01:26:59,439
Speaker 3: this tradition is four thousand years old. How first book

1454
01:26:59,479 --> 01:26:59,920
Speaker 3: the difference?

1455
01:27:00,320 --> 01:27:02,360
Speaker 4: But it was before, it was before.

1456
01:27:02,280 --> 01:27:04,760
Speaker 3: Right, right ya? So it spread put into writing. Yeah,

1457
01:27:04,840 --> 01:27:07,679
Speaker 3: it was put into the technology books four thousand years ago.

1458
01:27:08,200 --> 01:27:09,880
Speaker 3: How did it come to be? Like, tell us a

1459
01:27:09,920 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 3: bit about the history of it so that we get

1460
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:13,639
Speaker 3: some context of the tradition.

1461
01:27:14,280 --> 01:27:18,920
Speaker 4: Actually, the first book that was ever written in Kabbalah

1462
01:27:19,000 --> 01:27:22,400
Speaker 4: was three pages long. It's called the Book of Formation

1463
01:27:22,640 --> 01:27:26,599
Speaker 4: that was written by Love the Patriot, and it's reading

1464
01:27:26,680 --> 01:27:29,400
Speaker 4: in such a coded way and will not get any

1465
01:27:29,479 --> 01:27:33,120
Speaker 4: understand the secret of life and the wise ofe pages

1466
01:27:33,479 --> 01:27:36,800
Speaker 4: three pages. Yes, it's a lot of commentary, but yes,

1467
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:42,599
Speaker 4: three pages. And then the main book of Kabbalah, after

1468
01:27:42,840 --> 01:27:46,920
Speaker 4: many kabalists teaching from one to another, was the Book

1469
01:27:47,560 --> 01:27:50,400
Speaker 4: of the Zoror or the Book of Splendor, that was

1470
01:27:50,479 --> 01:27:57,799
Speaker 4: revealed two thousand years ago. And the zor is actually

1471
01:27:58,120 --> 01:28:04,559
Speaker 4: decdified Torah codified the Bible and helping us to understand

1472
01:28:04,560 --> 01:28:08,759
Speaker 4: the Bible is not a book of stories or laws

1473
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:15,400
Speaker 4: or religiosity or dogma. It's the secrets of life are

1474
01:28:15,520 --> 01:28:19,920
Speaker 4: hidden there, and the so haard the main book of

1475
01:28:20,000 --> 01:28:23,439
Speaker 4: which we have it today translated to English and to

1476
01:28:23,560 --> 01:28:31,280
Speaker 4: other languages. It's actually helping us to understand that everything

1477
01:28:31,760 --> 01:28:36,040
Speaker 4: in this world has a purpose and a reason. And

1478
01:28:36,080 --> 01:28:39,880
Speaker 4: if asking what really kabbale is about, Kabbala is about

1479
01:28:39,960 --> 01:28:45,799
Speaker 4: understanding the wise of life of the universe and why

1480
01:28:45,840 --> 01:28:50,200
Speaker 4: I'm here and what is my purpose? And why are

1481
01:28:50,200 --> 01:28:53,599
Speaker 4: we struggling? And what is the journey of our soul

1482
01:28:54,320 --> 01:28:57,559
Speaker 4: and where we came from? And if the Creator is

1483
01:28:57,600 --> 01:29:02,400
Speaker 4: such an infinite force of good and love out come,

1484
01:29:02,439 --> 01:29:07,640
Speaker 4: we all struggling either with pain, with doubts, with negativity,

1485
01:29:07,760 --> 01:29:14,200
Speaker 4: with selfishness. So that is the main book of Cabala,

1486
01:29:14,240 --> 01:29:19,440
Speaker 4: and of course was many Kabbalists throughout his story since then,

1487
01:29:19,000 --> 01:29:24,160
Speaker 4: that was we're able to bring Kabbalah down to us.

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01:29:25,360 --> 01:29:30,519
Speaker 4: And in nineteen seventy that's when the Cabbala Center started,

1489
01:29:30,600 --> 01:29:33,080
Speaker 4: which is opening the gates and the doors of Kabbala

1490
01:29:33,560 --> 01:29:34,480
Speaker 4: to all mankind.

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Speaker 3: You're talking about the whys of life and that's the

1492
01:29:54,320 --> 01:29:57,200
Speaker 3: questions and the Sea King. Do you remember one of

1493
01:29:57,200 --> 01:30:00,560
Speaker 3: the first questions that Madonna enquired about our one of

1494
01:30:00,640 --> 01:30:03,600
Speaker 3: the first things that she was grappling with. What do

1495
01:30:03,680 --> 01:30:04,120
Speaker 3: you remember?

1496
01:30:04,439 --> 01:30:09,080
Speaker 4: I don't even remember, So I just I don't remember

1497
01:30:09,160 --> 01:30:12,720
Speaker 4: in what specific context.

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Speaker 1: Also, I didn't study with him like this, Like I

1499
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Speaker 1: was just a student in the back of a class.

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Speaker 3: It took a while got it.

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01:30:20,360 --> 01:30:23,839
Speaker 1: For us to like have one on one conversations.

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01:30:24,880 --> 01:30:28,400
Speaker 4: It took a year or two until we started, right

1503
01:30:28,479 --> 01:30:31,479
Speaker 4: to meet regularly once a week, right as well? Yeah,

1504
01:30:31,520 --> 01:30:35,160
Speaker 4: well so, but I think one of the one of

1505
01:30:35,200 --> 01:30:41,639
Speaker 4: the things that I remember speaking to Madonna, and this

1506
01:30:41,720 --> 01:30:46,320
Speaker 4: is a struggles that everybody have. So we get there's

1507
01:30:46,360 --> 01:30:50,040
Speaker 4: a higher power, call it God, call it the light,

1508
01:30:50,360 --> 01:30:55,880
Speaker 4: call it inself, endless energy of love, of giving, that

1509
01:30:56,040 --> 01:31:01,360
Speaker 4: is beyond time and space, and it's within us. Okay,

1510
01:31:02,000 --> 01:31:07,120
Speaker 4: So why does evil forget about outside even inside? Why

1511
01:31:07,280 --> 01:31:13,719
Speaker 4: do we have constantly destructive forces within each one of us?

1512
01:31:14,360 --> 01:31:20,439
Speaker 4: There's a constant chatter you wake up and gravity pulls

1513
01:31:20,479 --> 01:31:26,160
Speaker 4: you down. Why a lot of people study today how

1514
01:31:26,200 --> 01:31:29,000
Speaker 4: to overcome that negative force, But why there is a

1515
01:31:29,040 --> 01:31:33,559
Speaker 4: negative force within us? So one of the one of

1516
01:31:33,600 --> 01:31:37,720
Speaker 4: the basic understanding we're talking about it, it's as understanding

1517
01:31:37,760 --> 01:31:44,960
Speaker 4: that the greatest gift, the greatest gift the Creator gave us,

1518
01:31:46,080 --> 01:31:53,519
Speaker 4: is the opportunity to overcome the opponent within, because when

1519
01:31:53,560 --> 01:31:59,800
Speaker 4: you overcome, you become co creator. The reason why we

1520
01:31:59,840 --> 01:32:04,799
Speaker 4: do experience enough peace, enough light, enough fulfillment, It's very simple,

1521
01:32:05,720 --> 01:32:09,120
Speaker 4: Like trucks, like you want to experience the light, be

1522
01:32:09,560 --> 01:32:13,679
Speaker 4: like the light, be a being of sharing. But part

1523
01:32:13,680 --> 01:32:17,080
Speaker 4: of what the light is about, it's a creator. So

1524
01:32:17,120 --> 01:32:21,040
Speaker 4: the gift to overcome negativity within is the gift of

1525
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:25,400
Speaker 4: being the creator. Imagine you were given everything. You're bond

1526
01:32:25,479 --> 01:32:30,599
Speaker 4: with talents, you're bonn with love, You're bone with just

1527
01:32:30,720 --> 01:32:34,720
Speaker 4: helping people all day long. That's your natural tendency. No

1528
01:32:35,120 --> 01:32:39,680
Speaker 4: negative force try to pull you down, no selfishness. Do

1529
01:32:39,720 --> 01:32:44,040
Speaker 4: you think you really will be able to actually experience

1530
01:32:44,160 --> 01:32:47,200
Speaker 4: and appreciate the force of the Creator, the force of love,

1531
01:32:47,280 --> 01:32:50,000
Speaker 4: the force of light, the force of true fulfillment. The

1532
01:32:50,040 --> 01:32:56,559
Speaker 4: answer is no. So while sometime we all upset, why

1533
01:32:56,840 --> 01:33:01,960
Speaker 4: I have this particular negative voice in my mind, and

1534
01:33:02,000 --> 01:33:06,400
Speaker 4: why do I have to struggle with abandonmenttissue? And why

1535
01:33:06,520 --> 01:33:11,000
Speaker 4: do I have to struggle with moments of sadness, at

1536
01:33:11,000 --> 01:33:14,920
Speaker 4: the moment you realize one second, this is the greatest

1537
01:33:15,000 --> 01:33:17,200
Speaker 4: gift to create. To give you doesn't mean you're right

1538
01:33:17,240 --> 01:33:19,559
Speaker 4: away or how to overcome it. Maybe we'll share some

1539
01:33:19,600 --> 01:33:22,680
Speaker 4: tools how to do it. But the fact that you

1540
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:27,080
Speaker 4: accept the greatest gift in this world is the gift

1541
01:33:27,160 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 4: of overcoming. And it doesn't mean it has to be

1542
01:33:31,600 --> 01:33:35,800
Speaker 4: with suffering. Actually it doesn't mean. But the fact that

1543
01:33:35,840 --> 01:33:42,160
Speaker 4: you accept that opponent within you, it's actually was created

1544
01:33:43,200 --> 01:33:45,640
Speaker 4: by the light, by the universe, by the force of

1545
01:33:45,720 --> 01:33:51,880
Speaker 4: good to help us to grow. Imagine you bring spoke

1546
01:33:51,920 --> 01:33:55,960
Speaker 4: about soccer a little bit before. Imagine imagine you bring

1547
01:33:56,000 --> 01:34:01,840
Speaker 4: your kid to play soccer and you bring them in

1548
01:34:01,880 --> 01:34:04,280
Speaker 4: front of a goal and with the ball and say,

1549
01:34:04,360 --> 01:34:06,400
Speaker 4: now score. Will it be fun?

1550
01:34:06,840 --> 01:34:07,160
Speaker 2: Now?

1551
01:34:07,400 --> 01:34:10,240
Speaker 4: In its an opponent in either goalie, he needs to

1552
01:34:10,240 --> 01:34:15,160
Speaker 4: overcome simpthing. Without overcoming anything, will never have a sense

1553
01:34:15,200 --> 01:34:19,320
Speaker 4: of true fulfillment. And we're not talking about overcoming the

1554
01:34:19,400 --> 01:34:24,160
Speaker 4: external challenges which is part of life, but recognizing the

1555
01:34:24,320 --> 01:34:28,120
Speaker 4: unique challenges each one of us needs to overcome. We

1556
01:34:28,240 --> 01:34:31,960
Speaker 4: call it karma, we call it cabalistically tikoun. Each one

1557
01:34:32,000 --> 01:34:37,520
Speaker 4: of us have own unique areas of transformation, and everything

1558
01:34:38,280 --> 01:34:43,280
Speaker 4: that life presenting to us is to present these opportunities

1559
01:34:43,280 --> 01:34:48,160
Speaker 4: of overcoming and as a result, allow my soul to shine,

1560
01:34:48,240 --> 01:34:53,600
Speaker 4: my gifts to shine, my true purpose to shine.

1561
01:34:53,840 --> 01:34:59,280
Speaker 3: That's beautiful. I love hearing that. It's it's so interesting

1562
01:34:59,320 --> 01:35:03,080
Speaker 3: to hear how that which we believe to be the

1563
01:35:03,120 --> 01:35:09,000
Speaker 3: obstacle is actually the path. And it reminds me of

1564
01:35:09,280 --> 01:35:13,200
Speaker 3: and I know, Madonna, you studied the Geeta as well.

1565
01:35:14,280 --> 01:35:19,080
Speaker 3: Origins dilemma in the first chapter. So origins a warrior.

1566
01:35:19,240 --> 01:35:22,559
Speaker 3: He's an archer, to be specific. And he's in the

1567
01:35:22,560 --> 01:35:26,639
Speaker 3: middle of a battlefield and on one side is his brothers,

1568
01:35:27,120 --> 01:35:29,720
Speaker 3: and on the other side is his cousins, so it's

1569
01:35:29,760 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 3: all family, the opposing side and his side. And he's

1570
01:35:35,680 --> 01:35:38,720
Speaker 3: on his chariot in the middle of the battlefield, and

1571
01:35:38,760 --> 01:35:42,080
Speaker 3: he's talking to God and God is serving him as

1572
01:35:42,120 --> 01:35:46,240
Speaker 3: his charioteer. And what he's expressing to God is his doubt,

1573
01:35:46,560 --> 01:35:50,120
Speaker 3: his anxiety, and his insecurity. And that's how it begins.

1574
01:35:50,120 --> 01:35:54,599
Speaker 3: It begins from a place of doubt, stress, fear, pressure,

1575
01:35:54,960 --> 01:35:58,160
Speaker 3: which is what engages him to ask the question. And

1576
01:35:58,240 --> 01:36:02,040
Speaker 3: it's so interesting that we often think that doubt and

1577
01:36:02,120 --> 01:36:05,920
Speaker 3: anxiety and the problem, but often they are the seed

1578
01:36:06,000 --> 01:36:09,320
Speaker 3: of where the question comes from and why we even

1579
01:36:09,360 --> 01:36:12,240
Speaker 3: look up or look around and question what's happening in

1580
01:36:12,280 --> 01:36:16,280
Speaker 3: our lives. And it's almost like doubt is the direction

1581
01:36:16,760 --> 01:36:21,320
Speaker 3: and anxiety is beautiful, right, Like there's that's it's It's

1582
01:36:21,320 --> 01:36:22,519
Speaker 3: similar as I'm.

1583
01:36:22,520 --> 01:36:25,080
Speaker 1: Something else to wake you up, whether you need some

1584
01:36:25,160 --> 01:36:28,320
Speaker 1: kind of pressure, whether you're standing in front of a

1585
01:36:28,360 --> 01:36:31,439
Speaker 1: goal or you're, you know, trying to win a war.

1586
01:36:32,120 --> 01:36:33,960
Speaker 3: Well, your pressure was becoming a mom.

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01:36:34,680 --> 01:36:39,800
Speaker 1: Yes, it's yes, it was, you know, and coming to

1588
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:43,559
Speaker 1: terms with you know is also you know, is my

1589
01:36:43,720 --> 01:36:47,600
Speaker 1: life is my life as as in my careers, you know,

1590
01:36:48,120 --> 01:36:50,400
Speaker 1: as an entertainer is going to change? Is it kind

1591
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:53,479
Speaker 1: of is going to be over? Like I said, I

1592
01:36:53,520 --> 01:36:57,040
Speaker 1: associate motherhood with death, so it's like, what's going to

1593
01:36:57,080 --> 01:37:01,200
Speaker 1: happen to me? Like I needed to be rooted somewhere

1594
01:37:01,240 --> 01:37:03,720
Speaker 1: and I needed to have certainty. But you can't have

1595
01:37:03,840 --> 01:37:06,360
Speaker 1: certainty unless you start with doubt.

1596
01:37:08,320 --> 01:37:12,800
Speaker 4: Exactly like she mentioned before. We Donna mentioned before that

1597
01:37:12,920 --> 01:37:19,760
Speaker 4: the greatest light hiding beyond the greatest perception of darkness.

1598
01:37:20,080 --> 01:37:23,839
Speaker 4: So if darkness manifests it as fear or the unknown

1599
01:37:24,120 --> 01:37:28,640
Speaker 4: doubt or the uncertainty or the doubt or the weakness.

1600
01:37:29,280 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 4: So one of the practices is actually ability to pause

1601
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:35,040
Speaker 4: and allow yourself to feel it for a second, because

1602
01:37:35,080 --> 01:37:37,559
Speaker 4: there's a great light hidden there.

1603
01:37:38,360 --> 01:37:42,960
Speaker 3: Yeah, what did you help? What do you remember helping

1604
01:37:43,080 --> 01:37:44,880
Speaker 3: or what advice would you have given to Madonna at

1605
01:37:44,880 --> 01:37:48,000
Speaker 3: that time to help her connect the dots. I think

1606
01:37:48,080 --> 01:37:50,640
Speaker 3: the phrase that she's repeated a few times in this

1607
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:54,599
Speaker 3: conversation of seeing motherhood as death is such a strong statement,

1608
01:37:54,720 --> 01:37:58,680
Speaker 3: but it makes so much sense from your experience when

1609
01:37:58,720 --> 01:38:02,000
Speaker 3: you connect the dots. How would you encourage How did

1610
01:38:02,040 --> 01:38:03,840
Speaker 3: you encourage her to reflect on that?

1611
01:38:04,479 --> 01:38:09,120
Speaker 4: So we didn't necessarily speak about that concept, but about

1612
01:38:09,280 --> 01:38:14,400
Speaker 4: other challenges and fears and perceived.

1613
01:38:14,200 --> 01:38:17,720
Speaker 1: Pain, abandonment. We talked about that a lot.

1614
01:38:17,960 --> 01:38:19,840
Speaker 4: Abandonment absolutely.

1615
01:38:19,880 --> 01:38:22,680
Speaker 1: I think, well, so you don't want to love or

1616
01:38:22,720 --> 01:38:27,639
Speaker 1: be in love or be attached, feel attachment because then

1617
01:38:27,680 --> 01:38:31,479
Speaker 1: you could get hurt. So that was a big issue

1618
01:38:31,560 --> 01:38:35,360
Speaker 1: for me, Like I'm good on my own, because a

1619
01:38:35,439 --> 01:38:39,479
Speaker 1: warrior surviving, like, don't with me, I don't need help,

1620
01:38:39,640 --> 01:38:42,360
Speaker 1: I don't need any help, Like I'm good, but then

1621
01:38:42,439 --> 01:38:44,880
Speaker 1: you need help and then it's hard, like to say

1622
01:38:44,920 --> 01:38:51,600
Speaker 1: it and say I I I'm doubting myself. I'm I'm

1623
01:38:52,400 --> 01:38:54,080
Speaker 1: I don't feel it like a warrior.

1624
01:38:54,760 --> 01:38:58,599
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's yeah, it's it's it's argentous dilemma. He's the

1625
01:38:58,600 --> 01:39:02,920
Speaker 3: greatest archer of his time, yet his bow is slipping

1626
01:39:02,960 --> 01:39:06,600
Speaker 3: from his hands because he's like, I can't shoot an

1627
01:39:06,720 --> 01:39:10,519
Speaker 3: arrow and he's the best. And that feeling of I

1628
01:39:10,520 --> 01:39:13,160
Speaker 3: think we all have that, Like you so beautifully talked

1629
01:39:13,160 --> 01:39:16,439
Speaker 3: about Aytown, this idea that we've been given so many gifts,

1630
01:39:17,320 --> 01:39:18,800
Speaker 3: with so many talents, and I think a lot of

1631
01:39:18,840 --> 01:39:22,880
Speaker 3: our audience today in the world people have forgotten the

1632
01:39:22,880 --> 01:39:25,600
Speaker 3: gifts that they have, and then we often get into

1633
01:39:26,040 --> 01:39:30,519
Speaker 3: this feeling of low self esteem. You know, we don't

1634
01:39:30,520 --> 01:39:33,960
Speaker 3: feel worthy, we don't feel we have a purpose. And

1635
01:39:34,040 --> 01:39:36,120
Speaker 3: I feel like that's what the world is today. A

1636
01:39:36,120 --> 01:39:38,160
Speaker 3: lot of people who are listening and watching today probably

1637
01:39:38,160 --> 01:39:41,639
Speaker 3: feel like they don't have something to offer, or maybe

1638
01:39:41,640 --> 01:39:43,920
Speaker 3: they know kind of what they have to offer, but

1639
01:39:43,960 --> 01:39:48,000
Speaker 3: they don't feel confident enough. What would your teachings, in

1640
01:39:48,040 --> 01:39:50,599
Speaker 3: some of your guidance say to those kind of people

1641
01:39:50,640 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 3: who are sitting there thinking, I kind of you know,

1642
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:56,439
Speaker 3: I don't have that confidence in myself I don't I

1643
01:39:56,479 --> 01:39:58,479
Speaker 3: don't really know what I'm going to do, and they're

1644
01:39:58,520 --> 01:39:59,160
Speaker 3: feeling stuck.

1645
01:40:00,080 --> 01:40:05,799
Speaker 4: Thing like Madonna mentioned, she felt weak, she didn't felt

1646
01:40:06,680 --> 01:40:14,240
Speaker 4: her personality of being a warrior. So there's a big

1647
01:40:14,280 --> 01:40:17,879
Speaker 4: difference between personality and soul strength.

1648
01:40:18,280 --> 01:40:20,960
Speaker 3: Talk to us about the difference. Yeah, what's the difference

1649
01:40:21,000 --> 01:40:21,880
Speaker 3: between personality.

1650
01:40:22,720 --> 01:40:28,639
Speaker 4: So Madonna always been a warrior, that's her personality that

1651
01:40:28,720 --> 01:40:32,240
Speaker 4: she grew, she did, that's part of her gifts. But

1652
01:40:32,400 --> 01:40:37,960
Speaker 4: it's not necessarily mean that she'll channel a warrior's attributes

1653
01:40:38,360 --> 01:40:43,640
Speaker 4: in a soulful way. But we identify with that. I'm

1654
01:40:43,680 --> 01:40:46,639
Speaker 4: a warrior. When i'm a warrior, I'm strong when i'm strong,

1655
01:40:46,920 --> 01:40:50,880
Speaker 4: I'm happy when i'm strong, I'm meaningful when i'm strong.

1656
01:40:51,120 --> 01:40:54,360
Speaker 4: I met her, and when suddenly you go through a

1657
01:40:54,439 --> 01:40:58,720
Speaker 4: situation that threatened that ability to be a warrior, to

1658
01:40:58,800 --> 01:41:04,520
Speaker 4: be strong, to be independent, suddenly you feel fear and emptiness.

1659
01:41:04,640 --> 01:41:07,839
Speaker 4: And what I would recommend, what I would share with Madonna,

1660
01:41:07,880 --> 01:41:15,160
Speaker 4: would recommend anybody, in order to find your strength, start

1661
01:41:16,240 --> 01:41:21,640
Speaker 4: with the challenges of today. It's not about finding my

1662
01:41:21,880 --> 01:41:27,280
Speaker 4: purpose in the future. And let's break it down to

1663
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:28,479
Speaker 4: simple such a.

1664
01:41:28,479 --> 01:41:31,080
Speaker 3: Great points, such a great point it's brilliant.

1665
01:41:30,840 --> 01:41:36,799
Speaker 4: Simple four steps. How do I handle a challenge today?

1666
01:41:38,520 --> 01:41:40,600
Speaker 3: So step number one, I just want to before you

1667
01:41:40,680 --> 01:41:44,080
Speaker 3: driving the steps die is beautiful. I absolutely love that mindset.

1668
01:41:44,120 --> 01:41:46,559
Speaker 3: I think it's such a great hope everyone who's listening

1669
01:41:46,560 --> 01:41:50,639
Speaker 3: to watching right now. It's such great advice because we're

1670
01:41:50,680 --> 01:41:54,720
Speaker 3: so fixated on finding, discovering, looking for the answer at

1671
01:41:54,840 --> 01:41:57,639
Speaker 3: some point in the future, and it just keeps feeling

1672
01:41:57,680 --> 01:42:01,040
Speaker 3: postponed and further away. And I love what you're saying

1673
01:42:01,080 --> 01:42:02,960
Speaker 3: is that the challenge in front of you right now

1674
01:42:03,080 --> 01:42:05,320
Speaker 3: is the exactly It's beautiful.

1675
01:42:05,320 --> 01:42:07,839
Speaker 4: How do you connect to the light, with the energy,

1676
01:42:08,040 --> 01:42:11,160
Speaker 4: with your soul, with the blessing that available in this

1677
01:42:11,479 --> 01:42:11,960
Speaker 4: very moment?

1678
01:42:12,120 --> 01:42:12,320
Speaker 3: Good?

1679
01:42:12,840 --> 01:42:17,120
Speaker 4: Sorry, Yeah, And that will lead to other blessings that

1680
01:42:17,240 --> 01:42:23,080
Speaker 4: will open doors that will attract clarity. We face the

1681
01:42:23,200 --> 01:42:27,800
Speaker 4: challenge all of us. It can be challenge at work,

1682
01:42:27,920 --> 01:42:30,320
Speaker 4: it can be challenge at all. It can be just

1683
01:42:31,240 --> 01:42:34,280
Speaker 4: I start to compare myself to someone else and it

1684
01:42:34,400 --> 01:42:39,400
Speaker 4: triggers lack all of us. Doesn't matter how spiritual we are,

1685
01:42:40,080 --> 01:42:43,639
Speaker 4: and doesn't matter how successful are guilty, We'll have at

1686
01:42:43,720 --> 01:42:48,040
Speaker 4: least a hundred times a day lack will be triggered

1687
01:42:48,120 --> 01:42:50,439
Speaker 4: fear today even today.

1688
01:42:51,080 --> 01:42:53,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.

1689
01:42:55,040 --> 01:42:58,880
Speaker 1: So the comparison game at least hundred times a day.

1690
01:42:58,920 --> 01:43:01,760
Speaker 1: I mean, that's the social media for really to make

1691
01:43:01,800 --> 01:43:06,240
Speaker 1: you feel bad about yourself unless you recognize that that

1692
01:43:06,439 --> 01:43:11,120
Speaker 1: is an illusion, that's not reality or doll an opportunity, right,

1693
01:43:11,720 --> 01:43:14,840
Speaker 1: an opportunity for me to not engage.

1694
01:43:14,760 --> 01:43:17,280
Speaker 4: Exactly and to actually find light in the moment.

1695
01:43:17,920 --> 01:43:20,360
Speaker 1: We just actually to conquer your fear in that moment,

1696
01:43:20,720 --> 01:43:23,599
Speaker 1: or to conquer your repetitive behavior of oh my god,

1697
01:43:23,640 --> 01:43:25,360
Speaker 1: I wish I had that. Oh my god, I wish

1698
01:43:25,400 --> 01:43:26,840
Speaker 1: I was that person. Oh my god, I wish that

1699
01:43:26,880 --> 01:43:29,320
Speaker 1: my life was like that person's life, Like if only

1700
01:43:29,360 --> 01:43:31,960
Speaker 1: I had dot dot dot. You know, it's like to

1701
01:43:32,040 --> 01:43:34,920
Speaker 1: stop yourself in that moment and conquer that moment, which

1702
01:43:35,000 --> 01:43:40,960
Speaker 1: is I'm good enough, I am everything that I need.

1703
01:43:41,120 --> 01:43:45,920
Speaker 1: I am I I I embody it. I just have

1704
01:43:46,000 --> 01:43:49,320
Speaker 1: to reveal it. But that's a that's a really hard one,

1705
01:43:49,880 --> 01:43:53,360
Speaker 1: I think, especially for women, you know, because we are

1706
01:43:53,360 --> 01:43:56,519
Speaker 1: a conditioned to like want to aspire to be this

1707
01:43:56,680 --> 01:44:01,120
Speaker 1: beautiful or this great of a mother or you know,

1708
01:44:01,240 --> 01:44:03,760
Speaker 1: this grade of a homemaker or this grade of a

1709
01:44:04,360 --> 01:44:07,120
Speaker 1: you know, it's a test every day to not judge

1710
01:44:07,160 --> 01:44:11,240
Speaker 1: yourself and to not like feel like you're lacking in

1711
01:44:11,280 --> 01:44:15,559
Speaker 1: some way, like you say, and when I say my prayers,

1712
01:44:15,760 --> 01:44:19,080
Speaker 1: part of my prayer is that I rise above my

1713
01:44:19,120 --> 01:44:24,640
Speaker 1: limitations and that I rise above my nature, and that

1714
01:44:24,720 --> 01:44:28,439
Speaker 1: I don't get sucked into the vortex of lack which

1715
01:44:28,520 --> 01:44:33,200
Speaker 1: can come in so many different forms and tune into you.

1716
01:44:33,360 --> 01:44:35,960
Speaker 1: Just you really have to be consciously like going like

1717
01:44:36,000 --> 01:44:40,400
Speaker 1: your head is a radio dial like going like like like, no,

1718
01:44:40,479 --> 01:44:42,479
Speaker 1: I'm not that's not me, you know what I mean.

1719
01:44:43,400 --> 01:44:47,960
Speaker 1: It's constant. It's a constant conversation you're having with yourself.

1720
01:44:48,200 --> 01:44:48,639
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1721
01:44:49,280 --> 01:44:51,519
Speaker 3: So true. So that's a really reliable problem.

1722
01:44:51,560 --> 01:44:55,519
Speaker 1: And it requires work, and it requires paying attention and

1723
01:44:55,560 --> 01:44:59,840
Speaker 1: being aware. And we also get caught up in wh

1724
01:45:00,120 --> 01:45:03,519
Speaker 1: We live in a world is distraction, right, so easy

1725
01:45:03,520 --> 01:45:06,200
Speaker 1: to get distracted. It doesn't mean you're not supposed to

1726
01:45:06,240 --> 01:45:08,120
Speaker 1: have fun, Like right now, I really want to have fun,

1727
01:45:09,040 --> 01:45:10,840
Speaker 1: but not that you're not fun.

1728
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:13,160
Speaker 3: Oh we're not having fun. I think we're having fun.

1729
01:45:13,880 --> 01:45:17,879
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's just we live in a world of distraction,

1730
01:45:17,960 --> 01:45:20,439
Speaker 1: so it's so easy to get caught pulled off the

1731
01:45:20,479 --> 01:45:24,240
Speaker 1: track of you know what am I doing? What am

1732
01:45:24,280 --> 01:45:26,120
Speaker 1: I doing right now? What am I doing to myself?

1733
01:45:26,200 --> 01:45:29,479
Speaker 1: Like I'm I'm I'm already there. I got caught, you

1734
01:45:29,520 --> 01:45:33,680
Speaker 1: know what I mean by the seed of doubt and

1735
01:45:33,760 --> 01:45:39,839
Speaker 1: self judgment and comparing and I'm not good enough. Therefore

1736
01:45:39,840 --> 01:45:42,439
Speaker 1: I'm going to be in a bad mood. I'm going

1737
01:45:42,520 --> 01:45:45,559
Speaker 1: to shout at my child or you know what I mean.

1738
01:45:45,600 --> 01:45:50,280
Speaker 1: It's like takes so many different forms, and like the

1739
01:45:50,320 --> 01:45:51,760
Speaker 1: greatest thing in the world is to be able to

1740
01:45:51,800 --> 01:45:58,520
Speaker 1: stop yourself before that happens. But it does require constant vigilance.

1741
01:45:58,760 --> 01:46:01,719
Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely amazing to hear you say that you still

1742
01:46:01,760 --> 01:46:05,760
Speaker 3: feel that way. Yeah, that's helpful and validating for all.

1743
01:46:05,680 --> 01:46:07,840
Speaker 4: Of that's part of the path of transformation.

1744
01:46:08,960 --> 01:46:09,920
Speaker 3: Sorry, back to the tool.

1745
01:46:10,040 --> 01:46:17,920
Speaker 4: Yes, so really because without what is lack is the

1746
01:46:17,960 --> 01:46:23,000
Speaker 4: illusion that there's no force of good, you're not protected,

1747
01:46:23,640 --> 01:46:33,920
Speaker 4: you're not loved, you alone, you're said, you're disconnected, and

1748
01:46:34,000 --> 01:46:39,400
Speaker 4: the practice to overcome that, not just in meditation throughout

1749
01:46:39,439 --> 01:46:46,400
Speaker 4: the day, which is very powerful. Step number one, as

1750
01:46:46,439 --> 01:46:52,640
Speaker 4: you face the challenge before you get as the reactive

1751
01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:59,799
Speaker 4: process of lack and negative thoughts, tell yourself say these words, pause,

1752
01:47:00,479 --> 01:47:04,280
Speaker 4: what an opportunity I don't know why. It's an opportunity,

1753
01:47:05,600 --> 01:47:09,799
Speaker 4: but I know every moment of flack it's a gift

1754
01:47:09,920 --> 01:47:13,160
Speaker 4: from the universe to help me to reveal greater light

1755
01:47:13,240 --> 01:47:17,960
Speaker 4: and a blessing in my life. Step number two, don't

1756
01:47:18,000 --> 01:47:26,800
Speaker 4: fix it yet. Embrace what is. Embrace the difficult feelings,

1757
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:31,800
Speaker 4: because in order to find light in darkness, you need

1758
01:47:31,840 --> 01:47:35,520
Speaker 4: to be there with courage a little bit in darkness.

1759
01:47:35,600 --> 01:47:38,240
Speaker 4: We want to fix right away. We want to get

1760
01:47:38,320 --> 01:47:40,760
Speaker 4: rid of what bothers us. We want to get rid

1761
01:47:40,840 --> 01:47:43,760
Speaker 4: of the fear. We want to get rid of the insecurities.

1762
01:47:45,040 --> 01:47:49,680
Speaker 4: We can stand it. We don't like the discomfort, And

1763
01:47:49,720 --> 01:47:51,320
Speaker 4: how do we want to get rid of it? By

1764
01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:58,479
Speaker 4: being reactive, by blaming, by judging ourselves, by jumping after

1765
01:47:58,560 --> 01:48:07,880
Speaker 4: opportunity for insectifications, by being self destructive. Pause, Embrace It's okay,

1766
01:48:08,560 --> 01:48:11,719
Speaker 4: And part of the reason of study is developing trust.

1767
01:48:11,880 --> 01:48:16,400
Speaker 4: It's okay. Embrace first what is, and then go to

1768
01:48:16,439 --> 01:48:17,160
Speaker 4: the next level.

1769
01:48:17,200 --> 01:48:20,519
Speaker 3: And when you say embrace, do you mean to meet

1770
01:48:20,560 --> 01:48:24,160
Speaker 3: it positively? In that? To me as it is to

1771
01:48:24,400 --> 01:48:27,920
Speaker 3: allow it? Yeah, to allow it because it's in it.

1772
01:48:28,840 --> 01:48:31,920
Speaker 4: Allow it, not because I want to stay there. Because

1773
01:48:31,920 --> 01:48:36,400
Speaker 4: that's part of the process of revealing the great light

1774
01:48:36,479 --> 01:48:37,120
Speaker 4: of my soul.

1775
01:48:37,320 --> 01:48:41,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, it almost feels that. Often what happens is because

1776
01:48:41,040 --> 01:48:43,280
Speaker 3: we've tried to go to the light so much. Sorry,

1777
01:48:44,080 --> 01:48:46,960
Speaker 3: it often feels that because we've tried to go to

1778
01:48:47,000 --> 01:48:48,720
Speaker 3: the light so much, we don't know how to sit

1779
01:48:48,760 --> 01:48:51,120
Speaker 3: in the darkness. We want to go to the goods

1780
01:48:51,120 --> 01:48:52,960
Speaker 3: so quickly, we don't know how to sit in the bad.

1781
01:48:53,200 --> 01:48:58,719
Speaker 4: That's when you develop strength. And there's a concept cableist discomfort. Yeah,

1782
01:48:58,800 --> 01:49:06,040
Speaker 4: there's a concept cabalist call certainty beyond logic, explaining I'm

1783
01:49:06,160 --> 01:49:10,519
Speaker 4: trusting even though I don't feel it, and it doesn't

1784
01:49:10,560 --> 01:49:16,160
Speaker 4: make sense that actually I'm led towards anything positive, but

1785
01:49:16,200 --> 01:49:21,680
Speaker 4: I'm trusting beyond logic that this experience is for my

1786
01:49:21,920 --> 01:49:27,880
Speaker 4: best even if I'm guilty and feeling horrible about mistakes

1787
01:49:27,960 --> 01:49:30,160
Speaker 4: that I've done.

1788
01:49:30,400 --> 01:49:30,960
Speaker 3: It's okay.

1789
01:49:32,120 --> 01:49:34,040
Speaker 4: You're going to get to the part of learning the lesson.

1790
01:49:34,080 --> 01:49:38,240
Speaker 4: Don't fix it, don't erase it. Certainty beyond logic, so

1791
01:49:40,400 --> 01:49:48,280
Speaker 4: the part of embrace it, allow and then you're ready

1792
01:49:48,280 --> 01:49:52,160
Speaker 4: to the next step, which is telling yourself because our

1793
01:49:52,280 --> 01:49:56,439
Speaker 4: belief system tells us it's a moment of darkness, there's

1794
01:49:56,439 --> 01:49:57,959
Speaker 4: no light here, there's no good.

1795
01:49:57,800 --> 01:50:00,760
Speaker 3: Here, there's no there's no love here, there's no light here.

1796
01:50:01,120 --> 01:50:04,439
Speaker 4: So you need to tell yourself all the light that

1797
01:50:04,520 --> 01:50:09,280
Speaker 4: I need is within me. Now, just tell yourself doesn't

1798
01:50:09,320 --> 01:50:13,640
Speaker 4: make sense. Logic doesn't agree, the heart doesn't agree. But

1799
01:50:13,720 --> 01:50:17,719
Speaker 4: that's the job of this world to allow the thoughts,

1800
01:50:17,840 --> 01:50:20,439
Speaker 4: the stream of energy that come from the soul to

1801
01:50:20,680 --> 01:50:24,719
Speaker 4: influence gradually the mind and the heart and the body.

1802
01:50:25,680 --> 01:50:28,719
Speaker 4: And again and again again, tell yourself, all the light

1803
01:50:28,960 --> 01:50:32,280
Speaker 4: I need is within me in mouth, I'm certain beyond

1804
01:50:32,360 --> 01:50:39,040
Speaker 4: logic it's for my best. And then show me the

1805
01:50:39,040 --> 01:50:42,240
Speaker 4: way the light the universe. What's the when you feel

1806
01:50:42,320 --> 01:50:48,800
Speaker 4: less reactive? Because usually when we experience lack, we reactive.

1807
01:50:49,200 --> 01:50:50,800
Speaker 4: We want to get rid of the luck, we want

1808
01:50:50,840 --> 01:50:52,840
Speaker 4: to get rid of the fact. And that's what's caused,

1809
01:50:52,840 --> 01:50:57,479
Speaker 4: I think, what's caused evil behavior between people not knowing

1810
01:50:57,560 --> 01:51:00,280
Speaker 4: how to handle moments of luck. That's where it's art.

1811
01:51:01,080 --> 01:51:06,759
Speaker 4: So forget about others. Let's start with ourselves. And sometimes

1812
01:51:06,800 --> 01:51:09,800
Speaker 4: we'll fix the lack because someone will tell us, whow

1813
01:51:09,920 --> 01:51:14,360
Speaker 4: you're an amazing person and love you so much, and

1814
01:51:14,400 --> 01:51:17,839
Speaker 4: how we feel good? And I fixed it. I forgot

1815
01:51:17,840 --> 01:51:20,720
Speaker 4: about my lack. I forgot about my insecurity. Actually, I

1816
01:51:20,720 --> 01:51:26,759
Speaker 4: am amazing are you? By developing true muscles and skills

1817
01:51:26,840 --> 01:51:28,840
Speaker 4: to find the light within or you want to be

1818
01:51:28,880 --> 01:51:33,400
Speaker 4: attached to the external energy that will fix you will

1819
01:51:33,439 --> 01:51:37,479
Speaker 4: never work. And of course when you in that place,

1820
01:51:38,960 --> 01:51:44,160
Speaker 4: actions of giving, even if it doesn't make sense calling someone,

1821
01:51:44,920 --> 01:51:49,559
Speaker 4: adding value to someone, being kind to someone also help

1822
01:51:49,640 --> 01:51:53,760
Speaker 4: you to shift your energy towards the vibration of the soul,

1823
01:51:54,120 --> 01:51:59,120
Speaker 4: towards the vibration of the light. But we all need

1824
01:51:59,160 --> 01:52:04,400
Speaker 4: to go to this. Yeah, you know, some people would

1825
01:52:04,400 --> 01:52:11,520
Speaker 4: call it mental illness, but we all have that mental struggle.

1826
01:52:12,920 --> 01:52:17,000
Speaker 4: We all have that mental struggle in feelings and in

1827
01:52:17,040 --> 01:52:20,639
Speaker 4: our minds. So it's a it's actually it's a it's

1828
01:52:20,640 --> 01:52:25,960
Speaker 4: a daily perhaps transform, it's a daily practice and when

1829
01:52:25,960 --> 01:52:30,600
Speaker 4: you have the courage and you study enough depth that

1830
01:52:30,880 --> 01:52:35,479
Speaker 4: support the understanding that the light is never gone. Yeah,

1831
01:52:35,520 --> 01:52:38,479
Speaker 4: it's my perception I see the light. I don't see

1832
01:52:38,479 --> 01:52:42,040
Speaker 4: the light that is causing me to feel the light

1833
01:52:42,080 --> 01:52:46,439
Speaker 4: is disappear. And I'm small and I'm not enough, and

1834
01:52:46,520 --> 01:52:49,600
Speaker 4: I'm not capable and I'm not confident.

1835
01:52:50,800 --> 01:52:55,000
Speaker 3: Yeah, that really resonates very strongly because I feel like

1836
01:52:56,439 --> 01:53:00,200
Speaker 3: when you're first reading this new script, you don't believe it.

1837
01:53:00,880 --> 01:53:02,960
Speaker 3: And that's why, as you're saying, the regular study is

1838
01:53:03,000 --> 01:53:06,639
Speaker 3: almost like reading a script consistently, a new script because

1839
01:53:06,680 --> 01:53:08,679
Speaker 3: already reading the old script of I'm not good enough,

1840
01:53:08,720 --> 01:53:12,760
Speaker 3: I'm not capable enough, I belong whatever it may be.

1841
01:53:13,400 --> 01:53:17,120
Speaker 3: But the online that I really loved that resonated with me,

1842
01:53:17,160 --> 01:53:18,840
Speaker 3: which I want to ask you about, Madonna, is the

1843
01:53:19,280 --> 01:53:22,920
Speaker 3: trust beyond logic, because I think that's the phase that

1844
01:53:22,960 --> 01:53:26,320
Speaker 3: most of us give up because we are living in

1845
01:53:26,360 --> 01:53:32,800
Speaker 3: a logical, functional, material world where if a train's not coming,

1846
01:53:32,800 --> 01:53:36,120
Speaker 3: you would leave this station. But here the trust beyond

1847
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:39,240
Speaker 3: logic is now, I'm still going to wait here, or

1848
01:53:39,240 --> 01:53:41,040
Speaker 3: I'm going to act in a certain way, or I'm

1849
01:53:41,240 --> 01:53:43,320
Speaker 3: going to change these behaviors. Madonna, when did you have

1850
01:53:43,400 --> 01:53:47,639
Speaker 3: to practice trust beyond logic in your life? The most

1851
01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:48,680
Speaker 3: where you I.

1852
01:53:48,640 --> 01:53:52,160
Speaker 1: Mean, every challenge I've ever had, once I became aware

1853
01:53:52,240 --> 01:53:56,200
Speaker 1: that I had the power to do that, And like

1854
01:53:56,800 --> 01:54:02,640
Speaker 1: making art, creation is there's nothing to do with being logical,

1855
01:54:03,520 --> 01:54:05,920
Speaker 1: doesn't have anything to do with the logical part of

1856
01:54:05,960 --> 01:54:09,880
Speaker 1: your brain. You can't measure it, you can't predict it,

1857
01:54:09,960 --> 01:54:16,880
Speaker 1: you can't control it. You have to allow it. So

1858
01:54:17,600 --> 01:54:22,120
Speaker 1: I would say that Challenger is like happening on a

1859
01:54:22,200 --> 01:54:27,000
Speaker 1: daily basis, Like even now, like I told you, you know,

1860
01:54:27,400 --> 01:54:29,120
Speaker 1: there's a pipe that bursts in the middle of my

1861
01:54:29,200 --> 01:54:32,280
Speaker 1: house and it's like creating havoc and all I was

1862
01:54:32,320 --> 01:54:34,640
Speaker 1: so excited to come to London, to be in my

1863
01:54:34,680 --> 01:54:41,000
Speaker 1: house in London, and everything's gone wrong, and I'm like, okay,

1864
01:54:41,280 --> 01:54:44,320
Speaker 1: So there has to be a reason for it. I

1865
01:54:44,360 --> 01:54:48,240
Speaker 1: can't just sit here and like be angry or upset,

1866
01:54:48,720 --> 01:54:55,560
Speaker 1: like there's a illogical wisdom to everything that's happening. If

1867
01:54:55,600 --> 01:54:59,320
Speaker 1: that's not being attached to material things, then that could

1868
01:54:59,360 --> 01:55:02,680
Speaker 1: be an option. If that's because all these things are broken,

1869
01:55:02,960 --> 01:55:05,080
Speaker 1: I need to spend more time doing something else it's

1870
01:55:05,120 --> 01:55:07,280
Speaker 1: more important, then that's you know what I mean. There's

1871
01:55:07,320 --> 01:55:13,560
Speaker 1: always a reason for something so and you can't logically

1872
01:55:14,120 --> 01:55:17,600
Speaker 1: figure it out. Like I wish that I could have

1873
01:55:17,760 --> 01:55:22,400
Speaker 1: seen ten years I had that my son was going

1874
01:55:22,480 --> 01:55:26,040
Speaker 1: to be my best friend. I was trying to make

1875
01:55:26,320 --> 01:55:30,040
Speaker 1: logical sense of everything, you know what I mean.

1876
01:55:30,280 --> 01:55:30,520
Speaker 2: So.

1877
01:55:31,920 --> 01:55:34,840
Speaker 1: I wish that I knew then what I know now.

1878
01:55:36,120 --> 01:55:39,520
Speaker 1: So there's always Then there's big struggles in little struggles,

1879
01:55:39,560 --> 01:55:44,400
Speaker 1: like you can't logically explain things like especially like I

1880
01:55:44,440 --> 01:55:49,600
Speaker 1: always use art as a as an example, because I

1881
01:55:49,600 --> 01:55:52,560
Speaker 1: can tell you that ninety nine percent of the time

1882
01:55:52,600 --> 01:55:58,240
Speaker 1: when I'm writing lyrics or singing a melody, I'm not

1883
01:55:58,440 --> 01:56:04,120
Speaker 1: thinking about it logic. If I think it's gone or

1884
01:56:04,120 --> 01:56:22,160
Speaker 1: it doesn't come to me, I.

1885
01:56:22,040 --> 01:56:24,760
Speaker 3: Want to ask you a ton based on that. As

1886
01:56:24,760 --> 01:56:28,800
Speaker 3: Madonna said, she waited ten years to see that experience

1887
01:56:28,880 --> 01:56:33,640
Speaker 3: of you know, her son becoming her best friend. I

1888
01:56:33,680 --> 01:56:40,120
Speaker 3: think a lot of people wonder how is the reason

1889
01:56:40,240 --> 01:56:43,920
Speaker 3: revealed or received? How do we know? Because like you said,

1890
01:56:43,960 --> 01:56:46,200
Speaker 3: it's trust beyond logic, and logic is like if I

1891
01:56:46,240 --> 01:56:48,240
Speaker 3: do this, then this will happen. And this is like

1892
01:56:48,600 --> 01:56:50,560
Speaker 3: my pipe's a burst. If I call the guy, he'll

1893
01:56:50,560 --> 01:56:52,120
Speaker 3: come and fix it, right, Like, that's the kind of

1894
01:56:52,160 --> 01:56:55,400
Speaker 3: way our brain works when we're trusting beyond logic. It

1895
01:56:55,440 --> 01:56:57,640
Speaker 3: could take ten years to receive a reason, It could

1896
01:56:57,640 --> 01:57:01,040
Speaker 3: take twenty years. It could take fifty years to really

1897
01:57:01,160 --> 01:57:05,960
Speaker 3: have a revelation on something. How is it often revealed

1898
01:57:06,080 --> 01:57:10,280
Speaker 3: or received when it's not based on logic? So that

1899
01:57:10,360 --> 01:57:11,880
Speaker 3: makes sense, Yes, it makes sense.

1900
01:57:11,920 --> 01:57:15,080
Speaker 4: What you're asking. Number one is when things don't go

1901
01:57:15,360 --> 01:57:21,960
Speaker 4: your way, and of course, sometimes we need to do

1902
01:57:22,120 --> 01:57:26,160
Speaker 4: practical action to make things better and to fix things.

1903
01:57:26,160 --> 01:57:30,160
Speaker 4: But sometimes it's out of our control. Things don't go

1904
01:57:30,640 --> 01:57:34,480
Speaker 4: our way, like the situation with the experience of Madonna

1905
01:57:34,480 --> 01:57:41,640
Speaker 4: shared so certainty be on logic is that the struggle

1906
01:57:41,760 --> 01:57:48,360
Speaker 4: that I'm going through is for my best, but it

1907
01:57:48,440 --> 01:57:52,760
Speaker 4: doesn't allow me to be self destructive because if I

1908
01:57:52,920 --> 01:57:56,160
Speaker 4: want to speed up the process that I see the

1909
01:57:56,280 --> 01:58:01,160
Speaker 4: light at the end of the tunnel, I need to

1910
01:58:01,200 --> 01:58:04,680
Speaker 4: strengthen and we need friends, you need teachings, you need

1911
01:58:04,720 --> 01:58:10,280
Speaker 4: the right support to actually trust the universe loves you

1912
01:58:10,520 --> 01:58:13,800
Speaker 4: and it's for the good as difficult it is. But

1913
01:58:13,880 --> 01:58:17,240
Speaker 4: then you need to ask a second question when you're ready,

1914
01:58:17,840 --> 01:58:22,240
Speaker 4: when you're not as reactive, what's my lesson? Why is

1915
01:58:22,280 --> 01:58:27,400
Speaker 4: it in my movie? And sometimes the answer is simple.

1916
01:58:28,280 --> 01:58:34,680
Speaker 4: Every time we experience rejection, what is rejection? Things don't

1917
01:58:34,720 --> 01:58:39,520
Speaker 4: go our way? It purifies us because our mind and

1918
01:58:39,560 --> 01:58:46,480
Speaker 4: our heart it's so attached to happiness, is when this

1919
01:58:46,520 --> 01:58:50,839
Speaker 4: will happen, which is not necessarily the big picture happiness

1920
01:58:50,920 --> 01:58:56,520
Speaker 4: what really good for me? Yeah, So when you actually

1921
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Speaker 4: realize that actually that's a purification process and you open

1922
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Speaker 4: and you allow it to happen because all of us

1923
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Speaker 4: are not aligned with the true desire of the universe.

1924
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Speaker 4: If it would be aligned, we would be joyful every

1925
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Speaker 4: second and we will be giving unconditionally every second, and

1926
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Speaker 4: we'll think all day long, how can I add value

1927
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Speaker 4: to others? And because we are not there, and that's

1928
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Speaker 4: part of the gift of life gradual transformation. We need

1929
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Speaker 4: moments of rejection. But when you question, you said, where

1930
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Speaker 4: am I to attached? What's my lesson? What do I

1931
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Speaker 4: need to let go? That will support to speed up

1932
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Speaker 4: the process of seeing the light. Because every fruit in

1933
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Speaker 4: order to become sweet and ripe is first hour. There's

1934
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Speaker 4: a process. Actually, the bottomist would say that more sour

1935
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Speaker 4: the fruit in the process sweeter at the end. It's

1936
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Speaker 4: so easy to throw the sour fruit and to say

1937
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Speaker 4: it's a bad fruit. But if you're able to allow

1938
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Speaker 4: this process, and you need a lot of spiritual strength,

1939
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Speaker 4: because culture, society, our body, our mind is prone to

1940
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Speaker 4: react and to decide it's bad. That constant conversation in

1941
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Speaker 4: our mind, it's good, it's bad, I'm good, I'm bad.

1942
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Speaker 4: It's that reactive conversation we have within us that actually

1943
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Speaker 4: prolong in the process. So actually faster. We're embracing certainty,

1944
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Speaker 4: biologic fasting. We're asking questions because at the beginning you

1945
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Speaker 4: cannot ask because you're in pain, so you just try

1946
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Speaker 4: to at least trust and embrace and embrace and beg

1947
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Speaker 4: something and asking. But when you're ready to ask, well,

1948
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Speaker 4: what's my lessons? Because very often we are so touched.

1949
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Speaker 4: We spoke about forgiveness to what's wrong with them, and

1950
02:01:13,960 --> 02:01:16,720
Speaker 4: we forget that the true purpose of life is my

1951
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Speaker 4: own transformation and elevation. While I'm interacting with other people,

1952
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Speaker 4: So when the conversation is no longer about that good,

1953
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Speaker 4: that bad? How did they do it? And you bring

1954
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Speaker 4: it back to you, how can I elevate? How can

1955
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Speaker 4: I become better? How can I transform? Between me and

1956
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Speaker 4: my soul, between me and my perfected self? When you

1957
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Speaker 4: that's when you inject the energy, then things the light

1958
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Speaker 4: will be shown faster.

1959
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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's the question. That's the accelerator that we want.

1960
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Speaker 3: We want the pain to go away quicker that question is,

1961
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Speaker 3: and sitting with that question exactly is the thing that

1962
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Speaker 3: actually speeds it up. What are you trying to work

1963
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Speaker 3: on right now, Madonna? That you're working on in your

1964
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Speaker 3: studies I know you get together regularly. People are going

1965
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Speaker 3: to be able to watch your studies as well that

1966
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Speaker 3: you do together. What's something that you're trying to work

1967
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Speaker 3: on right now that seems very fresh as a challenge,

1968
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Speaker 3: something to overcome.

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Speaker 1: As you said, the lessons that I learn and study

1970
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Speaker 1: are more applicable to things that are challenging me on

1971
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Speaker 1: a regular basis, which would be you know, my children,

1972
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Speaker 1: They're always challenging me in one way or another. And

1973
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Speaker 1: that's a bit like such a big lesson for me

1974
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Speaker 1: to let go of expectations and stop trying to control

1975
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Speaker 1: the outcome and over worrying. And you know, I'm just like,

1976
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Speaker 1: some days I wake up on this, I'm just relieved

1977
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Speaker 1: that they're all okay, you know what I mean. And

1978
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Speaker 1: I always say to people when you're when you have

1979
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Speaker 1: that many kids, you're you're you're not really a parent,

1980
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Speaker 1: You're a manager, you know what I mean?

1981
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Speaker 3: Yeh.

1982
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Speaker 4: And by the way, she has amazing kids and spiritual kids,

1983
02:03:13,080 --> 02:03:18,200
Speaker 4: and because of her tremendous effort to infuse not just

1984
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Speaker 4: with the teachings, with their behavior consciousness. Sometimes you don't

1985
02:03:24,440 --> 02:03:27,160
Speaker 4: see it right away, but we see kid of the

1986
02:03:27,280 --> 02:03:31,600
Speaker 4: kids that actually they're coming around in the own unique way.

1987
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Speaker 1: So and also infuriating me what kind of things. I mean,

1988
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Speaker 1: I have to stop thinking that, you know, my way

1989
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Speaker 1: of doing things are my way of approaching life, or

1990
02:03:44,040 --> 02:03:45,560
Speaker 1: my way of being an artist is going to be

1991
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Speaker 1: somebody else's my kids way of doing it. Everybody has

1992
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Speaker 1: their own journey and it's taken me a long time

1993
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Speaker 1: to accept that.

1994
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Speaker 4: And to let go of control.

1995
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Speaker 3: M Why is that so hard as a parent, because

1996
02:04:01,840 --> 02:04:03,280
Speaker 3: I feel like so many parents would be able to

1997
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Speaker 3: relate to that right now where we subconsciously or consciously

1998
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Speaker 3: are projecting living through our children, wanting them to, you know.

1999
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Speaker 1: Well, either to be successful or in not like, not

2000
02:04:15,480 --> 02:04:18,600
Speaker 1: even in a not like. I want them to be

2001
02:04:18,680 --> 02:04:20,960
Speaker 1: rich and famous. I just want them to be happy.

2002
02:04:22,040 --> 02:04:24,760
Speaker 1: I want them to be authentic. I want them to

2003
02:04:24,800 --> 02:04:29,360
Speaker 1: not compare the themselves to other people, not worry about

2004
02:04:29,400 --> 02:04:33,440
Speaker 1: what people think of them, because they're my children. Like

2005
02:04:33,680 --> 02:04:40,520
Speaker 1: we're you know, fearing judgment, letting that go, helping them

2006
02:04:40,520 --> 02:04:44,920
Speaker 1: to see their own unique gifts. It's a constant battle

2007
02:04:44,960 --> 02:04:46,520
Speaker 1: because also you don't want to come off as somebody

2008
02:04:46,520 --> 02:04:49,360
Speaker 1: who's trying to control the situation all the time. Either

2009
02:04:50,800 --> 02:04:54,360
Speaker 1: my weekly studies with Aton, or my daily prayers or

2010
02:04:54,400 --> 02:04:59,440
Speaker 1: whatever are often about you know, I don't want my

2011
02:04:59,520 --> 02:05:05,960
Speaker 1: children to do specific things. I want them to realize

2012
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Speaker 1: what they were put on this earth to do. I

2013
02:05:08,280 --> 02:05:12,520
Speaker 1: want them to elevate to their highest level of consciousness

2014
02:05:12,600 --> 02:05:17,960
Speaker 1: and how can I help that? That's it. But it's

2015
02:05:17,960 --> 02:05:22,800
Speaker 1: still hard not to be bothered by things things.

2016
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Speaker 3: Yeah, I think that's a very relatable challenge for parents. Yeah,

2017
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Speaker 3: it's a real one. It's And I guess when you

2018
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Speaker 3: ask that question, then what is the lesson in this

2019
02:05:35,520 --> 02:05:41,240
Speaker 3: applying a TONS process? What what do you often come

2020
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Speaker 3: up with?

2021
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Speaker 1: Trying to control all the outcomes in life is and

2022
02:05:45,480 --> 02:05:48,520
Speaker 1: not getting the outcome you wanted is what makes you suffer.

2023
02:05:48,960 --> 02:05:52,120
Speaker 1: So if that lesson keeps coming back to me, then

2024
02:05:52,240 --> 02:05:54,480
Speaker 1: I guess I haven't learned it yet. And children are

2025
02:05:54,480 --> 02:05:57,280
Speaker 1: a perfect teacher for that, because they're never going to

2026
02:05:57,320 --> 02:06:01,320
Speaker 1: do what you want them to do way that you

2027
02:06:01,440 --> 02:06:04,720
Speaker 1: want them to do it. You know, just get them

2028
02:06:04,720 --> 02:06:08,600
Speaker 1: from here to there without hurting themselves or anybody else,

2029
02:06:08,680 --> 02:06:09,160
Speaker 1: you know what I.

2030
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Speaker 3: Mean, because they too have to overcome exactly.

2031
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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know I did. I grew up with very

2032
02:06:15,880 --> 02:06:19,920
Speaker 1: little and that's so I have a huge desire, and

2033
02:06:19,960 --> 02:06:22,560
Speaker 1: then of course you give your children all the things

2034
02:06:22,720 --> 02:06:26,680
Speaker 1: you wanted to have, and then you realize that's killing

2035
02:06:26,680 --> 02:06:30,040
Speaker 1: their desire, and so you know, it's like it's just

2036
02:06:30,720 --> 02:06:33,400
Speaker 1: you're just constantly going, oh shit, oh shit, okay, I'm

2037
02:06:33,440 --> 02:06:38,320
Speaker 1: not okay, not just be counterintuitive. Just say nothing. That's

2038
02:06:38,360 --> 02:06:41,160
Speaker 1: that's a big one for me. Say nothing. But I'm

2039
02:06:41,160 --> 02:06:43,080
Speaker 1: getting good at it. I'm just really getting good at it.

2040
02:06:43,320 --> 02:06:45,560
Speaker 3: No. I appreciate you walkings through that though process because

2041
02:06:45,560 --> 02:06:48,720
Speaker 3: I think you've summed it up. That's exactly what we

2042
02:06:48,760 --> 02:06:50,560
Speaker 3: want to do. We want to take away someone's pain

2043
02:06:51,200 --> 02:06:52,560
Speaker 3: or the pain we thought they were going to have

2044
02:06:52,600 --> 02:06:55,200
Speaker 3: because of the pain we had, and then you provide

2045
02:06:55,200 --> 02:06:58,240
Speaker 3: something only to create a new pain and for them

2046
02:06:58,360 --> 02:07:00,240
Speaker 3: to never have the pain that you had, but have

2047
02:07:00,280 --> 02:07:02,640
Speaker 3: a completely different version of it. We do it for

2048
02:07:02,680 --> 02:07:04,400
Speaker 3: everyone we love. And I was going to ask you

2049
02:07:04,480 --> 02:07:07,320
Speaker 3: you like, what do you do when you don't like

2050
02:07:07,440 --> 02:07:11,320
Speaker 3: the answer? That question is so important, like what is

2051
02:07:11,360 --> 02:07:14,080
Speaker 3: the lesson I need to learn? But a lot of

2052
02:07:14,160 --> 02:07:17,840
Speaker 3: us subconsciously may not like the answer we gain. That's

2053
02:07:17,840 --> 02:07:20,480
Speaker 3: where we have to keep learning. Again, what happens when

2054
02:07:20,520 --> 02:07:23,880
Speaker 3: you don't like the truth that you're experiencing.

2055
02:07:24,480 --> 02:07:31,200
Speaker 4: So I think part of true spiritual transformation is craving truth.

2056
02:07:32,800 --> 02:07:38,520
Speaker 4: Is I want to know, really what's my lesson? Because

2057
02:07:38,520 --> 02:07:41,960
Speaker 4: what's the other option? More pain until I'm going to

2058
02:07:42,080 --> 02:07:46,120
Speaker 4: learn the lesson. So the reason why we're not listening

2059
02:07:46,520 --> 02:07:48,880
Speaker 4: to the voice that tell me let go of control?

2060
02:07:50,440 --> 02:07:54,360
Speaker 4: Or for kids, one of the biggest mistakes parents do

2061
02:07:55,560 --> 02:08:01,680
Speaker 4: is over giving to kids, which in Kubli scabilistic terminology

2062
02:08:01,720 --> 02:08:04,760
Speaker 4: we call it broad of shame. When you give to

2063
02:08:04,920 --> 02:08:09,320
Speaker 4: someone something without working, without earning, you're actually hurting them.

2064
02:08:09,560 --> 02:08:13,920
Speaker 4: And the parent might know I'm overgiving and it's not

2065
02:08:14,160 --> 02:08:19,040
Speaker 4: healthy for them, but I feel guilty to say no.

2066
02:08:19,520 --> 02:08:22,200
Speaker 1: And I'll be here if I say yes exactly.

2067
02:08:22,480 --> 02:08:27,120
Speaker 4: So here is the test guilty of saying no versus

2068
02:08:27,400 --> 02:08:32,360
Speaker 4: long term pain for the kid and for yourself. So

2069
02:08:32,480 --> 02:08:36,000
Speaker 4: actually pause and ask that question. That will help you

2070
02:08:36,080 --> 02:08:38,680
Speaker 4: to get closer to the truth and be less in

2071
02:08:38,760 --> 02:08:44,880
Speaker 4: denial and a fork short term long term saying yes

2072
02:08:45,080 --> 02:08:47,600
Speaker 4: just to fix the pain, to give them what they want,

2073
02:08:49,160 --> 02:08:52,920
Speaker 4: to let them play with the phone, or say no

2074
02:08:54,400 --> 02:09:00,080
Speaker 4: and it's difficult and they feel bad and the blaming you,

2075
02:09:00,640 --> 02:09:05,000
Speaker 4: but you're doing it from place of love, because yeah,

2076
02:09:05,280 --> 02:09:11,000
Speaker 4: because what's driving us true desire to share in a

2077
02:09:11,160 --> 02:09:12,080
Speaker 4: long term.

2078
02:09:12,520 --> 02:09:12,840
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2079
02:09:13,800 --> 02:09:17,080
Speaker 4: If that's my true and that's the truth, Am I

2080
02:09:17,320 --> 02:09:21,560
Speaker 4: really coming from true desire to share for a long

2081
02:09:21,680 --> 02:09:23,800
Speaker 4: term share and not just temporary fix.

2082
02:09:24,600 --> 02:09:25,000
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2083
02:09:25,400 --> 02:09:30,360
Speaker 4: And when I'm coming from that place only blessings, you're

2084
02:09:30,400 --> 02:09:33,920
Speaker 4: planting a seed of light, a seed of blessing, a

2085
02:09:33,960 --> 02:09:38,040
Speaker 4: seed of miracles. When you're coming from another place pretending

2086
02:09:38,120 --> 02:09:41,160
Speaker 4: to be good or nice or kind only because you

2087
02:09:41,240 --> 02:09:48,000
Speaker 4: cannot handle the temporary pain, you're planting a seed of chaos,

2088
02:09:48,320 --> 02:09:51,440
Speaker 4: which cares also as intelligent to teach you lessons but

2089
02:09:51,560 --> 02:09:53,120
Speaker 4: in a longer path.

2090
02:09:53,880 --> 02:09:55,240
Speaker 3: Yeah. I mean I can relate to that as a

2091
02:09:55,320 --> 02:09:59,080
Speaker 3: kid because I'm not a parent. But it was almost

2092
02:09:59,160 --> 02:10:01,200
Speaker 3: like during your team you just think everything your parents

2093
02:10:01,240 --> 02:10:03,320
Speaker 3: say is wrong. And then in my twenties I was

2094
02:10:03,400 --> 02:10:07,000
Speaker 3: like so grateful for the discipline and the rules and

2095
02:10:07,040 --> 02:10:09,680
Speaker 3: the you know, I was only allowed to play video

2096
02:10:09,760 --> 02:10:12,280
Speaker 3: games for like X amount of time or whatever it was,

2097
02:10:12,360 --> 02:10:14,600
Speaker 3: and all of a sudden, everything my parents did, I

2098
02:10:14,640 --> 02:10:16,080
Speaker 3: was like, oh, wow, there was actually a lot of

2099
02:10:16,080 --> 02:10:18,800
Speaker 3: good in it. But during my teenage years that you know,

2100
02:10:18,920 --> 02:10:22,280
Speaker 3: I obviously didn't agree with anything they said, and there's

2101
02:10:22,320 --> 02:10:25,320
Speaker 3: such a reality to that feeling of the long term

2102
02:10:25,360 --> 02:10:28,400
Speaker 3: point that you're making. The long term you realize, Oh, yeah,

2103
02:10:28,400 --> 02:10:31,680
Speaker 3: I'm glad you actually didn't just let me eat rubbish,

2104
02:10:31,760 --> 02:10:34,240
Speaker 3: or I'm really glad you didn't just let me waste

2105
02:10:34,280 --> 02:10:36,800
Speaker 3: hours playing video games. I'm really glad that you didn't

2106
02:10:37,440 --> 02:10:39,280
Speaker 3: do X, Y Z or whatever it may be. And

2107
02:10:39,360 --> 02:10:43,760
Speaker 3: so it's hard though, because the parent or the person.

2108
02:10:43,840 --> 02:10:46,280
Speaker 3: This could be romance, it could be in any relationship.

2109
02:10:46,320 --> 02:10:48,760
Speaker 3: You've got to be unpopular in the moment. You have

2110
02:10:48,760 --> 02:10:51,440
Speaker 3: to put us at your ego and you have to.

2111
02:10:51,400 --> 02:10:52,680
Speaker 4: Go through that disconference.

2112
02:10:52,760 --> 02:10:56,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, which applies at work, it applies everywhere anything.

2113
02:10:56,680 --> 02:11:01,360
Speaker 4: Yeah, especially in the culture today when everything can be

2114
02:11:01,760 --> 02:11:08,560
Speaker 4: so instant app and ordering food and getting what you

2115
02:11:08,640 --> 02:11:11,960
Speaker 4: want and watching any program and in your phone. So

2116
02:11:12,160 --> 02:11:18,760
Speaker 4: that instant culture preventing a child or an individual to

2117
02:11:18,840 --> 02:11:21,480
Speaker 4: go through a real process of going through this comfort

2118
02:11:21,800 --> 02:11:26,440
Speaker 4: or earning the light as we're going saying caballistically, and

2119
02:11:26,520 --> 02:11:31,840
Speaker 4: people don't understand they can be bright, how come I'm depressed?

2120
02:11:32,480 --> 02:11:39,000
Speaker 4: Depression very often it's a consequence of instant gratification, not

2121
02:11:39,800 --> 02:11:45,080
Speaker 4: willing to go through difficult process.

2122
02:11:44,880 --> 02:11:48,720
Speaker 3: So hard, so hard. We don't want to go through

2123
02:11:48,760 --> 02:11:50,560
Speaker 3: the difficult process, and we don't want anyone we love

2124
02:11:50,600 --> 02:11:53,600
Speaker 3: to go through a difficult process. Although that is that

2125
02:11:53,720 --> 02:11:55,680
Speaker 3: is the any process that's going to benefit.

2126
02:11:55,360 --> 02:11:56,880
Speaker 1: Us, well, well we're going to anyway, so.

2127
02:11:59,240 --> 02:12:02,200
Speaker 3: Absolutely. I have one last question to ask both of you.

2128
02:12:03,440 --> 02:12:07,320
Speaker 3: What is your soul's purpose? Why do you think you're here?

2129
02:12:08,200 --> 02:12:12,800
Speaker 3: And what personally was the becoming or the overcoming that

2130
02:12:12,840 --> 02:12:16,600
Speaker 3: you went through to really receive that soul's purpose that

2131
02:12:16,600 --> 02:12:20,080
Speaker 3: you're living by. What was it that birth that idea

2132
02:12:20,200 --> 02:12:20,600
Speaker 3: within you.

2133
02:12:22,240 --> 02:12:24,840
Speaker 1: My soul's purpose is to reveal light in the world

2134
02:12:26,480 --> 02:12:30,960
Speaker 1: through whatever I do, whatever that's being a parent or

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Speaker 1: being an artist, being a friend, being a leader. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: we are here to receive for the sake of sharing.

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Speaker 1: So I have a huge desire. I have many desires.

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Speaker 1: This is not a relief system or philosophy that's about

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Speaker 1: no offense, being a monk and going up in the

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Speaker 1: mountains and meditating for hours. I want it all, but

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Speaker 1: I want it for the sake of sharing, not to

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Speaker 1: keep it for myself. Hey wants more followers on Instagram.

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Speaker 4: The personal relationship between me and the light between me

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Speaker 4: and the Creator. I know that I don't anything less

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Speaker 4: than connecting while I'm in this physical world to the

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Speaker 4: soul that was given to me. And it means total transformation,

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Speaker 4: total desire to receive for the sake of sharing, certainty

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Speaker 4: beyond logic until it becomes second agor that's at a

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Speaker 4: personal level. But one of the ways to giv it

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Speaker 4: is to connect with our purpose of sharing. So I

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Speaker 4: know in my gut, in my soul, and it was

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Speaker 4: beyond knowing, it was beyond logic, that that's what I

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Speaker 4: came to do in this world, which is to spread

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Speaker 4: to be a teacher for the teachings of Cabbalah while

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Speaker 4: I'm studying. One of them is about being too perfectionist spiritually,

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Speaker 4: you know, taking spiritual lesson to an imbalanced place. Something

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Speaker 4: is wrong with me. So and I know as long

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Speaker 4: as we're in this world and if we're truly not

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Speaker 4: settling for lesson, that's a message for everybody. I want

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Speaker 4: to say, never settle for less wherever you are. This

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Speaker 4: is just the beginning comparing to your next level potential.

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Speaker 4: So those challenges were necessary to help me to evolve

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Speaker 4: to where I'm at today. And of course this is

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Speaker 4: just the beginning.

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Speaker 3: What's that? Thank you so much for your time and energy. Again,

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Speaker 3: learn so much from both of you today, and I

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Speaker 3: really can't wait for people to watch the studies. I

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Speaker 3: hope that it gives spiritual seekers a opportunity to ask

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Speaker 3: better questions, deeper questions, and begins their quest for overcoming

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Speaker 3: and becoming whatever their soul's purpose truly is. And I'm

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Speaker 3: so grateful that you're both living yours truly and I'm

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Speaker 3: really again thankful for the opportunity to have learned so

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Speaker 3: much from both of you today. Thank you so much,

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Speaker 3: oh honor, thank you too much.

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Speaker 1: Thank you.

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Speaker 3: If this is the year that you're trying to get creative,

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Speaker 3: you're trying to build more, I need you to listen

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Speaker 3: to this episode with Rick Rubin on how to break

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Speaker 3: into your most creative self, how to use unconventional methods

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Speaker 3: that lead to success, and the secret to genuinely loving

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Speaker 3: what you do. If you're trying to find your passion

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Speaker 3: and your lane, Rick Rubin's episode is the one for you.

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Speaker 2: Just because I like it, that doesn't give it any value,

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Speaker 2: Like as an artist, if you like it, that's all

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Speaker 2: of the value. That's the success comes when you say

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Speaker 2: I like this and not for other people to see it,