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Speaker 1: do your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi,
Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty five years, I've been
Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after.
Speaker 1: On each episode will discuss the reasons we now know
Speaker 1: that our loved ones have survived physical depth and so
Speaker 1: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. When we
Speaker 1: think of going to a medium, we think of what
Speaker 1: we have modern day. You either visit somebody in person,
Speaker 1: or you're on zoom or on the phone with them,
Speaker 1: and they supply information about your deceased friend or loved one,
Speaker 1: breathing through specific information so that you know they are
Speaker 1: still alive and well. However, mediumship wasn't always this way.
Speaker 1: If you've listened to some of the earlier episodes that
Speaker 1: I've done, mediumship actually started in the home. There were
Speaker 1: these things called home circles. People would get together and
Speaker 1: they would sing songs, and they would create this environment
Speaker 1: for spirit to show up. Very often, one of the
Speaker 1: members of this home circle would be able to either
Speaker 1: give messages or speak in a trance like state and
Speaker 1: be the voice of a loved one coming through. It
Speaker 1: was really a popular thing back in the eighteen hundreds
Speaker 1: and beginning of the nineteen hundreds, and when so much
Speaker 1: wartime came about. There were lots of deaths, and of
Speaker 1: course people were looking for evidence of their loved ones.
Speaker 1: Far too many con men and women came along to
Speaker 1: cheat people out of their money, so a lot of
Speaker 1: these home circles disappeared or they weren't publicized. Another part
Speaker 1: of home circles very often is what's called physical mediumship.
Speaker 1: Things would float around the room. People in complete darkness
Speaker 1: could feel the touch of their loved one. I know
Speaker 1: it all sounds a little spooky and a little far
Speaker 1: out there, but it was very normal occurrence. I have
Speaker 1: gone in search of physical mediumship because there are actually
Speaker 1: a few people living today that possess this ability. One
Speaker 1: is Scott Milligan that you hear me talk about so often,
Speaker 1: and the other one I've witnessed is David Thompson. Neither
Speaker 1: time have I ever felt that anything was a con
Speaker 1: or a scam, very low cost to attend. Voices of
Speaker 1: loved ones seemed to come out of mid air and
Speaker 1: stuff happened. Oh I tell you, you'll have to go
Speaker 1: back to an earlier episode, and I'm happy to point
Speaker 1: you in the direction for those. But I know that
Speaker 1: that form of mediumship, although very rare, is real, and
Speaker 1: if I hadn't have witnessed it myself, I might be
Speaker 1: saying something differently. Why I'm talking about this is there
Speaker 1: was a gentleman named Leslie Flint that walked the earth.
Speaker 1: He possessed the city to do these physical medium circles. However,
Speaker 1: he did not want any part of things moving around
Speaker 1: and him being knocked out, not really knocked out, but
Speaker 1: him being in a trance like state. So he made
Speaker 1: this agreement with the spirit world. As long as he
Speaker 1: could stay awake, he was willing to be of service
Speaker 1: to people. There's a book by him called Voices in
Speaker 1: the Dark, My Life as a Medium. Leslie Flint is
Speaker 1: or was one of a kind because he would have
Speaker 1: people in these circles. The lights would be dimmed or off,
Speaker 1: and voices of people's loved ones would seem to come
Speaker 1: out of mid air. There's a website dedicated to him,
Speaker 1: which is Leslie Flint dot com, where there are thousands
Speaker 1: of these recordings. People would attend to sitting with Leslie.
Speaker 1: He charged little to no money at all for this.
Speaker 1: People could have a conversation with her loved one. Again,
Speaker 1: always experimental, as in any kind of mediumship, so it
Speaker 1: didn't always work, but when they did work, they were extraordinary.
Speaker 1: He was one of the most tested mediums in all
Speaker 1: of the world. They would do things as put die
Speaker 1: in his mouth and some kind of liquid and tape
Speaker 1: his mouth shut, and these voices would still be heard.
Speaker 1: And of course when they took the tape off, the
Speaker 1: dye in the liquids would still be in his mouth.
Speaker 1: There's so much you can read about him. And by
Speaker 1: the way, he was born in nineteen eleven and I
Speaker 1: believe he died in nine. There's a lady called Mary
Speaker 1: Beth span Bank that I had a great conversation with,
Speaker 1: and I want you to hear some of it. Her
Speaker 1: husband is in the afterlife. She had a relationship with
Speaker 1: him early on, and then years went by, they both
Speaker 1: got married to other people, etcetera. They got back together,
Speaker 1: they spent eighteen months together, and he passed, so she
Speaker 1: wanted to know that he still exists. She's done a
Speaker 1: lot of research on Leslie Flint, and in this conversation
Speaker 1: she talks about it, and she brings up a husband
Speaker 1: and wife called the Nangis. The wife was in spirit
Speaker 1: and the husband lived and he would make these trips
Speaker 1: to visit Leslie Flint and have conversations with his wife.
Speaker 1: I'm getting goose bumps right now because I've heard some
Speaker 1: of these conversations. So here's Mary Beth. Before I even
Speaker 1: worried about anything about death, I have been listening to
Speaker 1: Abraham Hicks. They always talk about the fact that there
Speaker 1: is no death. There is no death. We continue on,
Speaker 1: but they talk about it very broad brush strokes. And
Speaker 1: so I had that in the back of my mind
Speaker 1: that there is no death. I sort of knew that,
Speaker 1: but I didn't have to really think about it until
Speaker 1: Paul passed, and then I was desperate for where is he?
Speaker 1: Where is he? And one time, not long a few
Speaker 1: days after he passed, I was at the thing brushing
Speaker 1: my teeth, and all of a sudden, I felt like
Speaker 1: a whoosh of a whoosh, a sensibility of Paul. And
Speaker 1: it wasn't a memory, you know. It wasn't like I
Speaker 1: was remembering that time we were to dinner, or that
Speaker 1: time that we went on the trip to Hawaii. It
Speaker 1: wasn't like that. It was just like whoosh, like oh wow.
Speaker 1: But instantly, as my zoom room partner Murray would say,
Speaker 1: because he had that, everybody has had experience at one
Speaker 1: point or another, it instantly triggers the missing of them.
Speaker 1: So you get that, you get that love feeling, and
Speaker 1: then all that like within like one millionth of a second,
Speaker 1: you're bursting into tears. But I liked that feeling, and
Speaker 1: so what I did was I began to notice when
Speaker 1: it happened more and more, and sometimes it would happen
Speaker 1: from a memory I purposed I would do a memory
Speaker 1: like we remember Paul or something we did together, and
Speaker 1: other times it would just be spontaneous. And I love
Speaker 1: the spontaneous ones because it didn't come from my at
Speaker 1: least my conscious awareness. So I began to, you know,
Speaker 1: notice that more and more and see different things, see
Speaker 1: different signs from him. And one of the strongest signs
Speaker 1: I had from him was I couldn't remember the dress
Speaker 1: I had worn when we finally could be together, as
Speaker 1: he would say, street legal, I couldn't really, And I'm thinking,
Speaker 1: how can I forget what I wore? That must have
Speaker 1: been so I remember the day, I remember the moment.
Speaker 1: I can't remember what I wore. And I was visiting.
Speaker 1: I was from Michigan, visiting a friend on Long Island,
Speaker 1: staying in a friend's home. And when I had moved
Speaker 1: to Michigan, I had given away a lot of my things,
Speaker 1: and I had given her a lot of my clothes.
Speaker 1: And I looked in her closet, actually I was in
Speaker 1: her spare bed woment. I looked in her closet to
Speaker 1: see if I could find, you know, the dress in question,
Speaker 1: and I couldn't find it. And she said to me, Mary,
Speaker 1: be my son and his family are coming over there
Speaker 1: going on a trip for two weeks across the country,
Speaker 1: and they're coming over, so and in walks the family
Speaker 1: and the daughter, who is about thirteen, is wearing the
Speaker 1: dress because I had given her, my friend the dress.
Speaker 1: She had given it to her granddaughter and it was
Speaker 1: just a little sheath dress. And I was like, oh,
Speaker 1: that said, there's the dress. The odds of me being
Speaker 1: there out of town, her family coming over at that
Speaker 1: moment they were going to go out of town for
Speaker 1: two weeks. The odds of the daughter, the granddaughter wearing
Speaker 1: the dress are so astronomical. It just took my breath away.
Speaker 1: And I have I have like a you know, a
Speaker 1: book of those different things and things like that. The
Speaker 1: other thing I did though, in my travels is I
Speaker 1: found my way to Victor and Wendy sam It's Afterlife report,
Speaker 1: And in their report there was they all often put
Speaker 1: videos in that report, and there was a video and
Speaker 1: it said it was about a woman and a man
Speaker 1: who communicated across the vale. And I had never heard
Speaker 1: of anything like that, and so I clicked on it.
Speaker 1: That led me to the work of medium Leslie Flint.
Speaker 1: So I listened to this clip that was on the
Speaker 1: Afterlife Report, and it was Dinshaw nan She Dctor, didn't
Speaker 1: Sha Nan. She's speaking with his wife Annie Nanji and
Speaker 1: she is in spirit and he is here. And I
Speaker 1: was fascinated by this. I couldn't believe this, and I
Speaker 1: began to find out more about who this medium was
Speaker 1: and who these people were and all about this. And
Speaker 1: Leslie Flint he was what they call a direct voice medium. Now,
Speaker 1: most mediums that we know that they're say the Long
Speaker 1: Island Medium or John Edward, you know, popular mediums, they're
Speaker 1: what we call mental mediums. They get they received mental
Speaker 1: messages and impressions and all that. Leslie Flint was different.
Speaker 1: Leslie Flint was a direct voice medium, which means he
Speaker 1: didn't received message mental or he may have, but that
Speaker 1: wasn't a specialty. The direct voice piece of it is
Speaker 1: not a mental medium. Ship is also not or you're
Speaker 1: channeling like Ester Hicks does, where you bring voices through
Speaker 1: and you and you use your own voice to speak
Speaker 1: the spirits words. It's not like that you're sitting in
Speaker 1: a room and the voice of the spirits come into
Speaker 1: the room and everyone in the room hears them, including
Speaker 1: the medium. So and Leslie Flint did not sit in trance.
Speaker 1: He was fully aware and awake. He wasn't there. He
Speaker 1: did sit in the dark. He was aware and awake
Speaker 1: and would converse with the spirits as well as everyone
Speaker 1: else in the room. He was alive between nineteen eleven
Speaker 1: and he passed in nine four, so we had a
Speaker 1: very long life. He was into his eighties and he
Speaker 1: had his first seance at age seventeen, and he began
Speaker 1: to develop under the tutelage of a woman named Edith Munden,
Speaker 1: who he eventually married. She was older, but she was
Speaker 1: like his mentor and his friend, and he really loved
Speaker 1: her for that. And after World War two broke three.
Speaker 1: After that his work began to take off. And during
Speaker 1: times of world World War One and World War two,
Speaker 1: when there's a great amount of death, people's interest in
Speaker 1: the afterlife really spike, and so yes, and so he
Speaker 1: had many many sitters. Interestingly though, he never charged a
Speaker 1: penny for his seances, where he would sit with with
Speaker 1: a number of sitters for and the other thing I
Speaker 1: love about the Leslie Flint Educational Um Trust is it's
Speaker 1: on the website. People can go there, you can listen
Speaker 1: to the recordings for free. This is a good time
Speaker 1: to go into our first break. But before we do,
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Speaker 1: our first break and we'll be back. You're listening to
Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and
Speaker 1: Coast to Coast a M Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back
Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain and you
Speaker 1: are listening to a conversation I had with Mary Beth
Speaker 1: spam Mank. She's talking about Leslie Flint, who was a
Speaker 1: one of a kind medium who would sit with people
Speaker 1: and voices would come out of nowhere and people could
Speaker 1: have a conversation with their loved one for free or
Speaker 1: for a very little charge. You know, we all need
Speaker 1: to eat now, not every single one of Leslie Flints
Speaker 1: SAMs were recorded, but in the nineteen fifties, so this
Speaker 1: is about twenty years lost. But in the nineteen fifties
Speaker 1: there were two sitters, George Woods and Betty Green, who
Speaker 1: began recording them because by them they had some recording equipment,
Speaker 1: and they we now have one over one thousand sentences recorded.
Speaker 1: There are third I believe thirty two of the what
Speaker 1: they call the anti Nang recordings on the trust website,
Speaker 1: and there are Carl told me probably thirty more. The
Speaker 1: recordings are on tape, and they're very fragile. Jack Terence
Speaker 1: Andrews over in Arizona, Paines taking Lee turns these tapes
Speaker 1: into digitized recordings and it's a really a labor of loves.
Speaker 1: So I listened to the nag recording. I was fascinated,
Speaker 1: and then I went to the website and I saw
Speaker 1: all these recordings from I mean, there's many other people,
Speaker 1: some famous people, some not so famous people. But I
Speaker 1: was interested in the Nagis because that was a husband
Speaker 1: and wife and they were soul mates and they were
Speaker 1: romantic with each other, and I wanted to listen to
Speaker 1: all of them. The problem was that out of the
Speaker 1: thirty I think there were maybe two that were transcribed.
Speaker 1: Number one. I'm hard of hearing Number two because it
Speaker 1: was not just one person coming to speak with cities.
Speaker 1: In other words, one spirit person coming in. It was
Speaker 1: Dinshaw Nanji speaking with his wife, and then there was
Speaker 1: Mr Flint and often his spiritual sidekick Mickey, and sometimes
Speaker 1: they're all talking at the same time and it's really
Speaker 1: hard for me to understand what they're saying, and they
Speaker 1: have accents. So I contacted I'm not quite sure if
Speaker 1: I contacted Jack Terrence Andrews or Carl Jackson Burns about this,
Speaker 1: but I said to them, why are there not more
Speaker 1: transcriptions that makes it so much easier to listen and
Speaker 1: read along? And they said, because they can't be These
Speaker 1: recordings can't be put in what their software now that
Speaker 1: just does it automatically because of the accents and because
Speaker 1: of the of the recordings and not really all that great,
Speaker 1: and you know, they try to make them as as
Speaker 1: cleaned up as possible, but they're old. And they said
Speaker 1: they have to be done by hand by volunteers, and
Speaker 1: we don't have volunteers. And I said, I'll volunteer to
Speaker 1: do it, and so I started doing it and man
Speaker 1: on man is it tedious? Let me just tell you,
Speaker 1: because I try to get them exact because you know
Speaker 1: the spirit voices and keep this historic fance and it
Speaker 1: would take me for maybe a minute of recording it
Speaker 1: would it could take me like two hours to get
Speaker 1: a tiny teeny that each fance is about a half
Speaker 1: an hour long. But in doing that, I felt like
Speaker 1: I really began to know these people. I felt like
Speaker 1: they were friends of mine. I recognized in them. Even
Speaker 1: though the things that they discussed are different than what
Speaker 1: Paul and I discussed, and all that, the love and
Speaker 1: the devotion and the excitement that they had just to
Speaker 1: be communicating with each other was something that was very
Speaker 1: very familiar to me, and it gave me such hope
Speaker 1: that this would be true for Paul and me, and
Speaker 1: it was so very believable. The other thing I loved
Speaker 1: about it, I always say to people that Dr Dinshaw Nanji,
Speaker 1: who was a chemist from India, and that's significant because
Speaker 1: often scientists are not so willing to step into our community.
Speaker 1: And so he was a chemist, but he was desperate
Speaker 1: two connect with his daughter, desperate to connect with his daughter.
Speaker 1: And we have found out that our other good friend,
Speaker 1: Stid Gurlston. He's from Sweden. He said, you know, I
Speaker 1: can do some background research, and he found Dinshaw's daughter
Speaker 1: from a first marriage, who was now older. But she said,
Speaker 1: when not when Annie passed, My father was so restricken.
Speaker 1: I couldn't even live with him. I moved out of
Speaker 1: the house. He was so beside himself with grief. And
Speaker 1: as you listen to the recordings through the years, his
Speaker 1: fifteen years worth of recordings, Dinshon that with Mr Flint
Speaker 1: twice a year, and sometimes sometimes they would sit twice
Speaker 1: in that meeting, like two days in that meeting, So
Speaker 1: you can see his own grief lifting off of him
Speaker 1: through the years, through the conversations, and towards the end
Speaker 1: he's saying, oh, yes, I'm an eighty year old man
Speaker 1: that people don't even believe the stuff. Don't I look good?
Speaker 1: And you can see that, you know, as long as
Speaker 1: he knows she's there, As long as we know I
Speaker 1: loved ones are there and they're happy, and they're healthy,
Speaker 1: and they love us, and we will be reunited in
Speaker 1: the relationship we are familiar with. I don't want to
Speaker 1: cross over and find out Paul's my uncle you know,
Speaker 1: I want him to be my over my husband, my sweetheart.
Speaker 1: As long as we know that that continues in that way,
Speaker 1: and that's what the Nong recordings reassured me of, then
Speaker 1: I can go on. I can go on. And in
Speaker 1: the recordings, which there's like so much stuff to talk,
Speaker 1: you know, so many references that it would be impossible,
Speaker 1: obviously to bring your listeners every single piece of it.
Speaker 1: But I do know that some the people are most
Speaker 1: concerned when when you lose someone, you're most concerned about
Speaker 1: a number of things, one of them being, you know,
Speaker 1: will they be when I cross over? Will my son
Speaker 1: be my son? Will my husband be my husband? Will
Speaker 1: my mother be my mother? And the answer is something jeez, yes,
Speaker 1: the relationship here continues. It's it continues right now as
Speaker 1: a transdimensional relationship, as William Murray coined it, and when
Speaker 1: we get over there, it will it continues the way
Speaker 1: it is. So I love them because when I listened
Speaker 1: to the recording and Sandra I pick up, I'm kind
Speaker 1: of four different categories of conversation that this husband and
Speaker 1: wife have with each other, and the first is that
Speaker 1: they just have ordinary husband wife banter. Some of the
Speaker 1: people who have listened to the tapes, they say, it's
Speaker 1: almost like you're eavesdropping on them, you know, in there
Speaker 1: for the privacy of their home. The four examples just
Speaker 1: stract me up. One day, she said to him, I'm terrifrasing.
Speaker 1: But she says to him that hat you're wearing and
Speaker 1: he says, yes, I'm She says, well, it's just so old.
Speaker 1: I want you to get a new hat. And he says, no,
Speaker 1: it's fine, and she said, no, no, no, no, it's
Speaker 1: just it's so old. I want you to go out
Speaker 1: and get yourself a new hat and that will be
Speaker 1: from me. And isn't that like so typical of so
Speaker 1: many you know, so many marriages where people say, oh,
Speaker 1: you're wearing that today, which shows Mary Beth that she's
Speaker 1: right there with them. I mean, we often it's easy
Speaker 1: to think our loved ones are off in heaven somewhere
Speaker 1: far away, but they're right here with us, just vibrating
Speaker 1: in a different frequency. We can't see them, but they're
Speaker 1: very aware, correct of what we're doing, exactly exactly. And
Speaker 1: then she always asked him, you know a number of
Speaker 1: times in the recordings, this is true of real life too,
Speaker 1: when you live with people, is that the same conversations
Speaker 1: will pop up again and again and so throughout the
Speaker 1: number of different recordings. Every so often she'll say to
Speaker 1: him things like, um, you're keeping my things like you know,
Speaker 1: he said, he hasn't removed her things. She says, my
Speaker 1: bits and pieces. And he says, I'll never part with
Speaker 1: any of them. And she says, oh, you know, you
Speaker 1: know it's okay. And he says no. When I die,
Speaker 1: that'll be time for other people can get rid of them.
Speaker 1: Then I won't meet them. But right now, he says,
Speaker 1: I often bury my face in your clothes and I
Speaker 1: smell them. I mean, how many of us have done
Speaker 1: that with a loved one. It's and and and it's
Speaker 1: so these little reports, even though the little, tiny, little,
Speaker 1: little tiny threads into their life. For me, it made
Speaker 1: me feel like we're all the same. For all we
Speaker 1: know how many people have felt this. Everybody, most everybody,
Speaker 1: unless you know you pass when you're a baby, most
Speaker 1: everybody feels this kind of thing. And he's very funny.
Speaker 1: And she also tells Mr Flint that he eats too
Speaker 1: much and he's too fat, and everybody laughed in the fance,
Speaker 1: and and she says, no, I mean she almost says,
Speaker 1: I mean it in a good way. Really, it's the
Speaker 1: stances are funny, they're upbeat. There's nothing heavy or desperate
Speaker 1: or horrible about them. So and one of my favorite
Speaker 1: quotes he says to her the News as his nickname is.
Speaker 1: He says to her, when I come to see you,
Speaker 1: when I in other ways, when I passed and I'm
Speaker 1: with you, will I be able to feel your kiss
Speaker 1: on my lips? And she says, of course, of course
Speaker 1: you will. She said, our world is as solid to
Speaker 1: us as yours is to you. I love that. I
Speaker 1: love that. It's so beautiful, and for me it implies
Speaker 1: even more than a kiss. You know, people want more
Speaker 1: than that. They want the full hole of rock experience
Speaker 1: with a beloved loved one, a romantic loved one. And
Speaker 1: so she's reassuring him, of course, darling, of course, of course,
Speaker 1: of course that's the way it is. And she says,
Speaker 1: she comes to him, and she touches his hand, and she,
Speaker 1: you know, or she knocks on the wall, she does
Speaker 1: all these different things that people report, you know, sign
Speaker 1: from their loved ones. Also, she says interestingly that if
Speaker 1: he goes shopping and he sees something he would have
Speaker 1: purchased for her if she were here, but he doesn't
Speaker 1: because she's not. She says, I see you shopping for me,
Speaker 1: and I see you wanting to pick things for me,
Speaker 1: and I tell you I am replicating them in our
Speaker 1: life here, and when you get here you will see
Speaker 1: the So that's that's kind of cool. So yeah, So
Speaker 1: it's a very morning world, this spirit world, yes, very real, yes, yes.
Speaker 1: And every morning I pour coffee. I poured two cups
Speaker 1: of coffee. If you were here right now, you see
Speaker 1: two cups of coffee on my table, one for Fall
Speaker 1: and one for me, you know, and I sitting I
Speaker 1: talked to him, sometimes mentally and sometimes out loud, but
Speaker 1: of course, you know, he doesn't drink his cup here,
Speaker 1: and I imagine he's having a cup in the day afterlife.
Speaker 1: And one time I thought to myself, you know, sometimes
Speaker 1: I drink his cup too, but sometimes I just poured
Speaker 1: down the sink, and I think it's kind of a waste.
Speaker 1: And I had to read and I'm not kidding you
Speaker 1: with the medium online, I wasn't even talking to it
Speaker 1: was just to the chat room, and she was reading me.
Speaker 1: And she said he's bringing me this, this is my Paul.
Speaker 1: He's bringing me the smell of coffee, and he's saying
Speaker 1: it's not a waste. And she didn't even know what
Speaker 1: that meant. Oh that's great, I know, isn't it cool?
Speaker 1: So a lot of the antie Nanji and dingeon Aji
Speaker 1: parallels to you know, what I'm experiencing in my life here.
Speaker 1: So when I poured Paul a cup of coffee, I
Speaker 1: am Meg and he is receiving that a lot of
Speaker 1: people are just make this point that a lot of
Speaker 1: people who are grieving are looking for signs from their
Speaker 1: loved one, and sometimes on afterlife groups are on I
Speaker 1: don't I don't go on widow groups because they're just
Speaker 1: too sad. But I was for a while and the
Speaker 1: widow groups just so excruciatingly in pain, and they're like
Speaker 1: I'm cut glass and they'll say, oh, I'm desperate for
Speaker 1: a sign. I don't get any sign. And what William
Speaker 1: Murray and I tell people is, don't worry about that
Speaker 1: so much. Us start by giving them signs like pour
Speaker 1: a cup of coffee for them, go shopping and pick
Speaker 1: up something, pick up like I don't know, you know,
Speaker 1: some flowers or something and say these are for you.
Speaker 1: You don't even have to really buy them. And then
Speaker 1: once you begin to raise your own feelings and feel better, better, better,
Speaker 1: you will notice them because they are around you all
Speaker 1: the time. It's just as sometimes the grief. We're so
Speaker 1: distracted and so upset and so sad and we want
Speaker 1: them to appear. Sitting on our couch. Let's head into
Speaker 1: our break and we'll be back with Mary Beth. You're
Speaker 1: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart
Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome
Speaker 1: back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Schamplain until
Speaker 1: death us don't part, No, we stick together. And Mary
Speaker 1: Beth was just talking about giving them signs. Talk to them,
Speaker 1: include them in our life, think about gifts you'd like
Speaker 1: to give them, pour that cup of coffee, write a letter,
Speaker 1: whatever it takes to keep the conversation going that you
Speaker 1: know that they're still alive. And I believe too that
Speaker 1: that raises our vibration. It helps us feel better. And
Speaker 1: there has been so much discussion on the better we feel,
Speaker 1: the more the folks in the spirit world can use
Speaker 1: our energy. And give us signs, so it's definitely worth investigating. Now.
Speaker 1: Mary Beth was also going to tell us about a
Speaker 1: lady in her afterlife group, Bruce husband passed and she's alone.
Speaker 1: She lives alone and she's elderly, lovely woman, but her
Speaker 1: family is not on board with us, and according to her,
Speaker 1: they think she's you know, lost her crackers or whatever
Speaker 1: I think. But she said she was people think that,
Speaker 1: oh sayd and just walking around her house alone, empty, sobbing,
Speaker 1: sobbing desperately, and she said, screaming for her. I was
Speaker 1: screaming and she and so William and I know, said
Speaker 1: to just talk to him. And she said, I just,
Speaker 1: even though I felt silly pauled by myself, I did it.
Speaker 1: I talked aloud to him, and she said I started
Speaker 1: feeling him. I really started began to feel him around me.
Speaker 1: And she tells about all. She says, now I can
Speaker 1: tell he's sitting right here. I mean, it really does
Speaker 1: work to help you raise your vibration. And it's also
Speaker 1: not about just them giving to you. It's about you
Speaker 1: getting love to hear more about how you came together
Speaker 1: with William. And you had said something to me earlier
Speaker 1: about affirmations that William uses and how it impacts your grief,
Speaker 1: and talk about your Facebook group and your zoom too,
Speaker 1: if I made just before, just before I go there,
Speaker 1: I just want to close out with the nan She
Speaker 1: but one very wonderful quote that she said that I
Speaker 1: think is really to the two things that I think
Speaker 1: is really helpful for people who are suffering the way
Speaker 1: I was suffering. He was talking about the fact that
Speaker 1: he went to a garden where they hit a park
Speaker 1: something where they had been and he was starting to
Speaker 1: get a little teary. That Jinshaw was starting to get
Speaker 1: upset and he remembered and he's longing for her. Even
Speaker 1: though we could talk to her, he could still he's
Speaker 1: so long. We would all, oh my god, we will
Speaker 1: like if I light on for he had that, but
Speaker 1: it still wasn't enough, you know, he wanted to be
Speaker 1: with it. And he says, I go to that. He said,
Speaker 1: I go to the spot where you were, and I
Speaker 1: re call those precious moments. And she said, but they
Speaker 1: will come again and they will be even more wonderful.
Speaker 1: Here when you call um quote this is a quote here.
Speaker 1: When you come, you will understand things I cannot possibly
Speaker 1: tell you because words I don't know. If you try
Speaker 1: to remember the wonderful things and the wonderful happenings we
Speaker 1: shared here, it is so much more when you come
Speaker 1: to me. That's all I care about. And one other time,
Speaker 1: this is to conclude the Annie Nangic thing. One other
Speaker 1: time when was she open? Every time she comes to him,
Speaker 1: she's all excited and she's she always says, oh, what
Speaker 1: do we talk about? What? Try did you hear this
Speaker 1: little sweet dis she accent? What should we talk about now?
Speaker 1: Which I'm not good at imitating, she says. She says
Speaker 1: to him, Oh, my darling, I can think of nothing
Speaker 1: but I love you. But that is everything, And I think, oh,
Speaker 1: my god, it's just was just you know, food for
Speaker 1: my soul. My god, my Paul is still there with
Speaker 1: me every day and he's he's with me, he's waiting
Speaker 1: for me, and he's loving me. And that's why I
Speaker 1: want to reassure all of your readers, what you know,
Speaker 1: no matter who has passed, that that is true for
Speaker 1: all of us. That is true for all of us.
Speaker 1: And you know, if you're someone who lost a husband
Speaker 1: or a sweetheart or fiance or whatever, twin soul, go
Speaker 1: listen to the endy Nagy and I've got five of
Speaker 1: the report of five of the transcripts, and we have
Speaker 1: a couple other people working on them as well. It's
Speaker 1: just at that day for this is all to come
Speaker 1: together eventually in a book. Yes, yes, well that's not
Speaker 1: yes not our goal. Yes, so we're working on a book.
Speaker 1: All the people that I mentioned to date, and there's
Speaker 1: another woman um I didn't get a permission mentioned her
Speaker 1: last name, but her name is Marie and she's doing
Speaker 1: transcripts as well. Jack and Carol and Stig and Maria
Speaker 1: and I were all working in the book will be
Speaker 1: It will be like a guide book for the Nangies
Speaker 1: to listen to them and understand what they're saying. And
Speaker 1: any of the proceeds will go back to the trust
Speaker 1: because Jack curates the website. Of course that costs money
Speaker 1: to all these things, you know, things cost money, even
Speaker 1: with volunteers, and so we feel like this will be
Speaker 1: a help to people like so the most definitely, as
Speaker 1: we can all map on our relationships, even though you
Speaker 1: know it isn't our loved one speaking through, but you'll
Speaker 1: see how real they are. It's very healing to hear
Speaker 1: these these words back and forth from husband and wife
Speaker 1: and yes, even across the vale, but you'll really get
Speaker 1: it that your loved one, whoever that may be, is
Speaker 1: still with you. So and it's important. I learned two
Speaker 1: things from Carl that are key in all of this
Speaker 1: trying to feel better when you are longing so much.
Speaker 1: He said. Number one is patients and he told that
Speaker 1: refers back to the you know, the recording, the recording
Speaker 1: with Leslie Flint where he waited for half an hour
Speaker 1: and nothing happened. To just be patient, be patient with yourself,
Speaker 1: be patient with your loved one and all of that.
Speaker 1: Just be you know, be patient, take a breath. And
Speaker 1: something else that was interesting from Carl was I said
Speaker 1: to him, sometimes I lament the fact that some of
Speaker 1: my nearest endears are not on board with this, and
Speaker 1: it's hard to share my enthusiasm for it with them.
Speaker 1: And he said, Carl said, I don't share it with people.
Speaker 1: I don't unless he knows they're like minded. But he said,
Speaker 1: I just don't. And I think that that can you know,
Speaker 1: you you you want so long that to be so
Speaker 1: excited to share it like with the people that you're
Speaker 1: closest to, but if they're not on board, it can
Speaker 1: be very discouraging. And the last thing we need is
Speaker 1: any sort of discourage. So it just blessed them and
Speaker 1: let them have their own half and share with the
Speaker 1: people who you know are going to go hit hit parade.
Speaker 1: So that those are two little chips. As for William
Speaker 1: as oh not mine, but yes, goodwards. As for William,
Speaker 1: William Murray is um a person. I hope he doesn't
Speaker 1: mind me talking about him. But he's done the afterlife,
Speaker 1: many of the afterlife groups, and he was married to
Speaker 1: his wife Irene as soulmates that were married for many years,
Speaker 1: over twenty years together, and Irene passed from cancer as well.
Speaker 1: And he wrote a book that's online. It's called Love Afterlife.
Speaker 1: It's an Amazon book that's available for like really minimal amounts.
Speaker 1: But they also has a blog, and if you google
Speaker 1: his name William Murray and you are a y and blog,
Speaker 1: it'll come up. Love Afterlife is his blog and the
Speaker 1: book is available as a pdf for free on his
Speaker 1: blog page if you want to look at that. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: so William and I were on these other afterlife groups
Speaker 1: and began to gravitate towards each other. As law of
Speaker 1: attraction will have people who are like minded gravitate toward
Speaker 1: each other. And William began to just firstly described how
Speaker 1: the grief was so incredibly fearing. It was horrible for him.
Speaker 1: You know, he was having panic attacks, he was throwing up,
Speaker 1: he was he couldn't imagine life without his Direne, and
Speaker 1: they have six children between the two of them, and
Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't ready to take himself out. And
Speaker 1: so William know was very smart. He's like my mentor,
Speaker 1: and he and I both agreed, I mean in our
Speaker 1: own heads, not with each we hadn't even communicated, but
Speaker 1: I mean we were in agreement with this fact that
Speaker 1: there is no death and that if we were going
Speaker 1: to feel our love going around us, we had to
Speaker 1: make we had to lift ourselves up out of that deep,
Speaker 1: deep grief. Williams, you know, his learning was a little
Speaker 1: bit different than mine. I've learned from a lot of
Speaker 1: different teachers, but many of much of our teachings were
Speaker 1: the same that we brought to this grief experience. And
Speaker 1: William decided, which I think was brilliant Dad, when he
Speaker 1: noticed that when he felt Irene's presence around him. It
Speaker 1: would feel good from no a second, and then that
Speaker 1: grief would kick in, and he began saying to her
Speaker 1: out loud, you know, Irene, don't stop coming near me.
Speaker 1: Let me handle my own grief. I want to feel
Speaker 1: your love. And he allowed himself to feel it more
Speaker 1: and more and more and more, and he kept his blog,
Speaker 1: and in the blog he started saying, hey, you know
Speaker 1: what it's been. You know, three weeks I haven't really
Speaker 1: felt to me. I haven't felt that fearing. Of course,
Speaker 1: I've so long for her, but it's not as bad.
Speaker 1: And eventually he realized he had eradicated it, and he
Speaker 1: did it. In his book, he has a number of
Speaker 1: I guess you could call them action steps that he
Speaker 1: took to really eradicate the grief. And meanwhile, on my own,
Speaker 1: irrespectable what William was doing, I was doing similar things.
Speaker 1: And we found together that we're more in love with
Speaker 1: our crossover sweethearts than even we were when they were here.
Speaker 1: And William says that part of the purpose of grief.
Speaker 1: He said, imagine when we get there, how fabulous that reunion,
Speaker 1: how amazing that reunion, And so many of the other
Speaker 1: grief groups of traditional grief groups online or people you know,
Speaker 1: and they're all well intended, Sandra, but so many of
Speaker 1: them really they really ascribe to the notion that yes,
Speaker 1: you love your love, and yes you can communicate with them,
Speaker 1: yes you can feel better, but you're always going to
Speaker 1: have that whole in your heart. And William and I
Speaker 1: didn't feel that, and so we kind of broke off
Speaker 1: and did our own thing. And we have a Facebook
Speaker 1: group called Love Afterlife, and we have a zoom room
Speaker 1: meeting where we meet every week at three to four
Speaker 1: New York time, but we have people all around the
Speaker 1: world to come. And now William and I just sort
Speaker 1: of sit back and they all kind of talk to
Speaker 1: each other about can you imagine it's amazing this, and
Speaker 1: it's amazing that. And William and I I know from
Speaker 1: talking to him that we really believe that the most
Speaker 1: paramount thing is to believe that every single thing that
Speaker 1: happens to you is for your own benefit, including your
Speaker 1: partner's cancer and including death. Every single thing is for
Speaker 1: your own benefit. And if you can find the parts
Speaker 1: to appreciate. I know it sounds so, you know when
Speaker 1: my Pollyanna ish, but if you can find the parts
Speaker 1: to appreciate, which is different from gratitude. Gratitude is thank you,
Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I would never say that for
Speaker 1: cancer or Paul's passing, by the way, but but there
Speaker 1: are things that can appreciate about it, about those things,
Speaker 1: and if you can find the parts you can appreciate,
Speaker 1: if you can begin to support yourself from the inside
Speaker 1: out and do whatever is necessary, you can make yourself
Speaker 1: feel better and better and better and better. Then you
Speaker 1: can feel your loved one with you. And I feel
Speaker 1: Paul with me all the time. I mean, it's funny.
Speaker 1: I almost feel him coming and going the way you
Speaker 1: would in a normal situation, Like he went to work
Speaker 1: and I went to work, and then we came back
Speaker 1: together and at dinner. You know, he's not with me
Speaker 1: every single second of the day, but there's times where
Speaker 1: he just kind of whoshes in and I say, oh,
Speaker 1: thank you. That's the other thing Williams says thank you
Speaker 1: to everything. Um people will say I had the craziest
Speaker 1: dream last night. I dreamt that my husband's spirit went
Speaker 1: off and doesn't love me anymore, And William would say,
Speaker 1: that's your husband visiting mixed in with your fears. So
Speaker 1: thank your husband for coming in your and say, oh, honey,
Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, and I'm so fearful about so many
Speaker 1: other things. Thank you for showing up. And I promise
Speaker 1: I'm going to try and feel better, so next time
Speaker 1: you show up, it's easier for you to get through.
Speaker 1: So there's nothing that shows up on William's radar, and
Speaker 1: I'm practiced as well as this or my radar as
Speaker 1: something horrible, tragic, disgusting, hideous, nothing, nothing. It's all good
Speaker 1: and it's all for our benefit. And the afterlife is real.
Speaker 1: Our loved us are right there, they're right here. The
Speaker 1: afterlife is all about us. It's not anywhere far off.
Speaker 1: It's not up in the heaven is there anything. It's
Speaker 1: right here and we'll be right back. You're listening to
Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and
Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to
Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain. Mary Beth was
Speaker 1: just talking about the difference between appreciation and gratitude. We
Speaker 1: can appreciate things going wrong in our life, that they
Speaker 1: give us spiritual growth, that they have us look at
Speaker 1: the bigger picture. We can use them to empower us.
Speaker 1: There's always a point in our life that we can
Speaker 1: look back on the things that have happened and say,
Speaker 1: if that didn't happen that way, I wouldn't be where
Speaker 1: I am today. So it's different than being thankful for
Speaker 1: bad things happening. It's more being in the driver's seat
Speaker 1: and taking that victim mentality out the woe was me?
Speaker 1: And please take care of yourself if you are grieving,
Speaker 1: but there will come a time where you can empower yourself.
Speaker 1: And even going through what you've gone through, you might
Speaker 1: be just the person who can make a difference for
Speaker 1: another person, So don't discount your experiences. So, Mary Beth,
Speaker 1: you have done so much, and I know you've raised
Speaker 1: your own vibrations by helping out so many people. I
Speaker 1: am thrilled for all the volunteer work you're doing for
Speaker 1: the Leslie Flint Foundation, and really just thank you for
Speaker 1: all you're doing. And it's changed my view on death,
Speaker 1: of course. I mean I had another love one, my
Speaker 1: ex mother in law, Grammar to my kids, just recently passed.
Speaker 1: It was sad and I love her dearly, but I
Speaker 1: know she's perfectly well and happy and young and fine
Speaker 1: and so it's the it takes the bite out of death,
Speaker 1: the death experience when when someone you love. Guys, when
Speaker 1: you know these things, it still hurts, but it's not
Speaker 1: so horrible and it's doable, and we're all in this together,
Speaker 1: and it happens to almost virtually, Like I said, unless
Speaker 1: you die when you're you know, very very very very young,
Speaker 1: it happens to all of us eventually. So I think
Speaker 1: that you know this community and you're offerings your radio show,
Speaker 1: and everybody who contributes in all their many different ways,
Speaker 1: not a horrible, hideous thing. It's a very exciting, invigorating, wonderful, sparkling,
Speaker 1: wondrous world to be in the world of afterlife. And
Speaker 1: so I'm so glad that Paul ushered me into this. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And can anyone UM that's lost a loved one I
Speaker 1: hate to use the word lost because they're not lost.
Speaker 1: Can they be part of your group? Well, yes, as
Speaker 1: long as they have um Like for example, some people
Speaker 1: come to us and said my son died, and we
Speaker 1: gently and gracefully decline them because we are not experts.
Speaker 1: We have no notion about what it's like when a
Speaker 1: child passes. That's a whole different kettle of fish, and
Speaker 1: so William and I wouldn't even begin to address that.
Speaker 1: And William goes out of his way every single time
Speaker 1: he speaks or talks to say to people. In my opinion,
Speaker 1: in my experience, in my own knowing, this may not
Speaker 1: be your knowing. Williams just recently had an astro projection
Speaker 1: with Irene that he's talking about, you know, in the
Speaker 1: groups and things like that. So I don't think it's
Speaker 1: a secret. And he now is convinced more than ever
Speaker 1: he went and met with her, and so that's so exciting.
Speaker 1: I haven't had that happened, but he'll say, here's how
Speaker 1: it happened for me. I don't know that this is
Speaker 1: going to be your path. I don't know. Here's what
Speaker 1: happened for me. I'll share it with you, but I
Speaker 1: am not you. And so you're you might not have
Speaker 1: an astral projection, no matter how hard you try, because
Speaker 1: that may not be in the cards to you. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure exactly how every single none of us are
Speaker 1: sure exactly how every single thing works. We don't know
Speaker 1: everything single thing works here on earth, you know, So
Speaker 1: we always give that caveat that it's not our experience
Speaker 1: may not be exactly your experience, but I will tell
Speaker 1: you that it's beneficial always, no matter what your circumstances,
Speaker 1: to always reach for something that feels better, better, better, better,
Speaker 1: that does serve, that does serve you and people around you.
Speaker 1: We can always learn and take nuggets from anything, even
Speaker 1: if we don't buy into everything we hear. But the
Speaker 1: name of your Facebook group, am I correct that it's
Speaker 1: Forever in Love with our Partners who have crossed Over? No,
Speaker 1: that's not our group. That's a different group. Our our
Speaker 1: group is Love after Life. Oh well, that's much easier
Speaker 1: to type out anyways. And by the way, I want
Speaker 1: to say sounder what you just said. Um about William
Speaker 1: and I also have We know, we have our own things,
Speaker 1: but we also advise people take it or leave it.
Speaker 1: But we also advise people that in the world the
Speaker 1: after life, you're going to hear things that don't resonate
Speaker 1: with you and William and I in an effort to
Speaker 1: keep our vibration high and happy and loving. If I
Speaker 1: hear a piece of information Shan that doesn't sound right
Speaker 1: to me, I just throw it out. I don't even
Speaker 1: pay any attention to it. I don't worry, but I
Speaker 1: did in the past. I would read stuff and I
Speaker 1: would be and it would draw me for a loop.
Speaker 1: I'd be shobbing out loud. Now I think, well, that
Speaker 1: doesn't personate with me, and I just discovered it. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and maybe that's sticking my head in the sand. I
Speaker 1: don't know, but I don't care. Take what empowers you,
Speaker 1: and that goes for any information you get from anybody,
Speaker 1: whether it's on one of these episodes, a book you read.
Speaker 1: You know, don't throw the whole thing out because of
Speaker 1: one thing. Take what empowers you, because we are each
Speaker 1: on our own individual journey. And just exactly one thing
Speaker 1: about your Facebook group, I have no problem that you
Speaker 1: are communicating with people who are interested in the transdimensional
Speaker 1: love life. Uh. And there are great groups like Helping
Speaker 1: Parents Heal that work with grieving parents, and if you're
Speaker 1: not a grieving parents, you know that may not be
Speaker 1: the group for you because it is specialized and and yeah,
Speaker 1: and it's possible with some of the tenements and some
Speaker 1: of the things that we share our useful for those people.
Speaker 1: But we just don't feel we really feel like that's
Speaker 1: way out of our element. That's not you know, we
Speaker 1: we don't have that, except well, we are I only
Speaker 1: working on our own experience and what works for us
Speaker 1: and what's been helpful for us. That's what we can
Speaker 1: share knowledgeably. But my children are here. I haven't lost
Speaker 1: a child, you know, and uh so I can't speak
Speaker 1: responsibly in any way man are formed to anyone who has,
Speaker 1: for example, lost a child. But yet there are groups
Speaker 1: who do. Yeah. And if someone's listening right now and
Speaker 1: on one of these episodes, we have not covered your
Speaker 1: particular area of grief. I can nine percent guarantee you
Speaker 1: that I know someone to connect you with or a
Speaker 1: Facebook group, So feel free to write me Sandra Champlaine
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com and I will be able to
Speaker 1: connect you with the right group or several of them.
Speaker 1: But very bath, it's time for us to say our
Speaker 1: final words. Um as I knew it would go by fast.
Speaker 1: But yeah, do you have any a couple of final
Speaker 1: words you want to share? And then I will one
Speaker 1: of the interview, Yeah, one one of the little you know.
Speaker 1: I have all these different little axioms and things and
Speaker 1: little little um you know affirmations. I mean William William.
Speaker 1: Some of William's affirmations are things like you know, Irene, Irene,
Speaker 1: you and I are together, Irene, we are in love.
Speaker 1: I know you're right here. You know. He constantly won't
Speaker 1: reassure himself that way. And then his book, he has
Speaker 1: all of the enlisted, so you can go and read
Speaker 1: his book for free. But one of the little things
Speaker 1: I love that I often say to myself that I've
Speaker 1: picked up in some little wacky book that they actually
Speaker 1: talked to you about how you can prepare a body
Speaker 1: for death yourself, which I wasn't intending to do. But
Speaker 1: but I had a little quote in the beginning of
Speaker 1: the book and it said Mary meet Amy r r
Speaker 1: Y Mary Meat and Mary part and Mary meat again.
Speaker 1: And that's for me, that sums up life. Mary meet
Speaker 1: Mary Part, Mary Meat again. I met Hall when I
Speaker 1: was a teenager. We parted ways. I met him again
Speaker 1: when I was adult, an adult. We came together for
Speaker 1: a full, fabulous relationship. You know. We parted in a
Speaker 1: certain way when he took off the flip side, and
Speaker 1: we will meet again. And that's true for everyone. So
Speaker 1: I love that. It's just it's just so buoyant and happy,
Speaker 1: and I like cheerful things. Marry Meat and Mary part
Speaker 1: and marry meet again, and Sandra, I don't marry me
Speaker 1: again with you, Mary Beth, I am sure that is
Speaker 1: going to happen. Well, some announcements before we conclude the episode. Plus,
Speaker 1: I want to just clue you in on where I
Speaker 1: am since last week. As you know, just over a
Speaker 1: week ago, my last boyfriend died. Yeah, we were together
Speaker 1: better part of nine years and he tragically was in
Speaker 1: a car accident. So been a tough time, but it's
Speaker 1: been a lot better knowing about the afterlife using some
Speaker 1: of the tools that Mary Beth just happened to talk about.
Speaker 1: I talked to this guy Michael all the time. When
Speaker 1: my mind gets quiet and I go into that sad mode,
Speaker 1: I say, wait a minute, he's here. So I just
Speaker 1: start talking usually in my mind, and just let there
Speaker 1: be some quiet space, and they get filled with some
Speaker 1: shared memories and almost like he's talking to me. You know.
Speaker 1: I like it. I do like it. And of course
Speaker 1: I had a wonderful reading with the medium Kath Shirley,
Speaker 1: who brought through some exact evidence of his life and
Speaker 1: some great words that he had for me that no
Speaker 1: one else could possibly know. That's probably why this is
Speaker 1: the episode today is just because I needed to hear
Speaker 1: these words again. I'm interested in checking out and you
Speaker 1: might be too, William Murray's blog, So Mary Beth said,
Speaker 1: just search for William murray blog. Their Facebook group is
Speaker 1: Love after Life and they have a weekly free zoom meeting.
Speaker 1: And if you are someone who has your romantic partner
Speaker 1: in the afterlife and want to continue that relationship, this
Speaker 1: is the place for you. Also, dive straight into Leslie
Speaker 1: Flint dot com. That's the medium who has over a
Speaker 1: thousand hours recorded of these conversations about with people and
Speaker 1: their deceased loved ones. Really it's mind blowing what you hear.
Speaker 1: Look up the nags n A n j I Annie
Speaker 1: Nangi is her name. And while you're there, if you
Speaker 1: want to give a little donation to the Leslie Flint Trust,
Speaker 1: you certainly can Leslie Flint dot com. Yeah, a bunch
Speaker 1: of volunteers doing some very very hard work and a producer,
Speaker 1: Tom wanted me to remind you that George Nori, the
Speaker 1: Great George Nori from Coast to Coast AM is going
Speaker 1: to be doing some live events and meet and greets
Speaker 1: with other speakers. So if you want to find out more,
Speaker 1: where he's going to be. Just go to Coast to
Speaker 1: Coast a m and click on events and as always,
Speaker 1: our home base is we Don't Die dot com. You
Speaker 1: can come to our free Sunday gathering complete with medium demonstration,
Speaker 1: take a course and mediumship, or so much more. Join
Speaker 1: our Facebook group of close to seven thousand people who
Speaker 1: talk about life, death, the afterlife. Introduce yourself. There might
Speaker 1: be somebody in your hometown. So I think that's all
Speaker 1: I have for you today. Let me look at my brain. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just want to say, take care of yourself. Our
Speaker 1: human mind wants to fight us and wants to convince
Speaker 1: us that this afterlife business is all in our mind
Speaker 1: and it's not real. Just remember that that's the same
Speaker 1: little voice in the morning that tells you you're too old,
Speaker 1: too ugly, too many great hairs, gives you fear, tells
Speaker 1: you what you should have done, you could have done,
Speaker 1: gives you guilt. Don't listen to that voice. It's not
Speaker 1: telling you the truth. Take quiet times. It's in those
Speaker 1: present moments where you can tap into your own spirituality,
Speaker 1: your own soul's wisdom, and also your loved ones in
Speaker 1: the afterlife. So with that, my friend, I Am Sanders Champlain.
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