1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:03,080 Speaker 1: And you're here. Thanks for choosing the I Heart Radio 2 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast A and Paranormal podcast network. Your 3 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:10,080 Speaker 1: quest for podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, and the unexplained 4 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:13,160 Speaker 1: ends here. We invite you to enjoy all our shows 5 00:00:13,280 --> 00:00:15,880 Speaker 1: we have on this network, and right now, let's start 6 00:00:15,920 --> 00:00:23,240 Speaker 1: with The Afterlife with Sandra sham Plain. Welcome to our podcast. 7 00:00:23,600 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 1: Please be aware of the thoughts and opinions expressed by 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:30,240 Speaker 1: the host are their thoughts and opinions only and do 9 00:00:30,320 --> 00:00:33,720 Speaker 1: not reflect those of I Heart Media, I Heart Radio, 10 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:38,280 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their 11 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: sponsors and associates. We would like to encourage you to 12 00:00:42,040 --> 00:00:52,280 Speaker 1: do your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. Hi, 13 00:00:52,600 --> 00:00:56,680 Speaker 1: I'm Sanders Champlain. For almost twenty five years, I've been 14 00:00:56,680 --> 00:00:59,760 Speaker 1: on a journey to prove the existence of life after. 15 00:01:01,000 --> 00:01:03,960 Speaker 1: On each episode will discuss the reasons we now know 16 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:08,360 Speaker 1: that our loved ones have survived physical depth and so 17 00:01:08,640 --> 00:01:13,000 Speaker 1: will we. Welcome to Shades of the Afterlife. When we 18 00:01:13,040 --> 00:01:16,080 Speaker 1: think of going to a medium, we think of what 19 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:19,720 Speaker 1: we have modern day. You either visit somebody in person, 20 00:01:20,000 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 1: or you're on zoom or on the phone with them, 21 00:01:23,720 --> 00:01:28,360 Speaker 1: and they supply information about your deceased friend or loved one, 22 00:01:28,800 --> 00:01:32,480 Speaker 1: breathing through specific information so that you know they are 23 00:01:32,600 --> 00:01:38,880 Speaker 1: still alive and well. However, mediumship wasn't always this way. 24 00:01:39,200 --> 00:01:42,640 Speaker 1: If you've listened to some of the earlier episodes that 25 00:01:42,720 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 1: I've done, mediumship actually started in the home. There were 26 00:01:47,160 --> 00:01:50,960 Speaker 1: these things called home circles. People would get together and 27 00:01:51,000 --> 00:01:55,240 Speaker 1: they would sing songs, and they would create this environment 28 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,720 Speaker 1: for spirit to show up. Very often, one of the 29 00:01:59,720 --> 00:02:03,400 Speaker 1: members of this home circle would be able to either 30 00:02:03,480 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: give messages or speak in a trance like state and 31 00:02:09,000 --> 00:02:12,000 Speaker 1: be the voice of a loved one coming through. It 32 00:02:12,080 --> 00:02:16,000 Speaker 1: was really a popular thing back in the eighteen hundreds 33 00:02:16,040 --> 00:02:19,840 Speaker 1: and beginning of the nineteen hundreds, and when so much 34 00:02:20,280 --> 00:02:24,320 Speaker 1: wartime came about. There were lots of deaths, and of 35 00:02:24,360 --> 00:02:27,240 Speaker 1: course people were looking for evidence of their loved ones. 36 00:02:27,880 --> 00:02:31,680 Speaker 1: Far too many con men and women came along to 37 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,760 Speaker 1: cheat people out of their money, so a lot of 38 00:02:34,800 --> 00:02:41,400 Speaker 1: these home circles disappeared or they weren't publicized. Another part 39 00:02:41,480 --> 00:02:45,800 Speaker 1: of home circles very often is what's called physical mediumship. 40 00:02:46,480 --> 00:02:51,079 Speaker 1: Things would float around the room. People in complete darkness 41 00:02:51,360 --> 00:02:54,640 Speaker 1: could feel the touch of their loved one. I know 42 00:02:54,720 --> 00:02:57,360 Speaker 1: it all sounds a little spooky and a little far 43 00:02:57,440 --> 00:03:01,880 Speaker 1: out there, but it was very normal occurrence. I have 44 00:03:02,080 --> 00:03:05,280 Speaker 1: gone in search of physical mediumship because there are actually 45 00:03:05,320 --> 00:03:10,720 Speaker 1: a few people living today that possess this ability. One 46 00:03:10,800 --> 00:03:13,799 Speaker 1: is Scott Milligan that you hear me talk about so often, 47 00:03:14,480 --> 00:03:18,200 Speaker 1: and the other one I've witnessed is David Thompson. Neither 48 00:03:18,280 --> 00:03:22,360 Speaker 1: time have I ever felt that anything was a con 49 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:27,360 Speaker 1: or a scam, very low cost to attend. Voices of 50 00:03:27,440 --> 00:03:30,440 Speaker 1: loved ones seemed to come out of mid air and 51 00:03:30,960 --> 00:03:33,600 Speaker 1: stuff happened. Oh I tell you, you'll have to go 52 00:03:33,639 --> 00:03:36,120 Speaker 1: back to an earlier episode, and I'm happy to point 53 00:03:36,120 --> 00:03:39,200 Speaker 1: you in the direction for those. But I know that 54 00:03:39,200 --> 00:03:44,000 Speaker 1: that form of mediumship, although very rare, is real, and 55 00:03:44,160 --> 00:03:47,080 Speaker 1: if I hadn't have witnessed it myself, I might be 56 00:03:47,120 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: saying something differently. Why I'm talking about this is there 57 00:03:52,720 --> 00:03:56,800 Speaker 1: was a gentleman named Leslie Flint that walked the earth. 58 00:03:57,520 --> 00:04:05,480 Speaker 1: He possessed the city to do these physical medium circles. However, 59 00:04:05,760 --> 00:04:09,760 Speaker 1: he did not want any part of things moving around 60 00:04:09,960 --> 00:04:14,280 Speaker 1: and him being knocked out, not really knocked out, but 61 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,280 Speaker 1: him being in a trance like state. So he made 62 00:04:17,279 --> 00:04:19,640 Speaker 1: this agreement with the spirit world. As long as he 63 00:04:19,680 --> 00:04:23,719 Speaker 1: could stay awake, he was willing to be of service 64 00:04:23,760 --> 00:04:27,000 Speaker 1: to people. There's a book by him called Voices in 65 00:04:27,040 --> 00:04:31,800 Speaker 1: the Dark, My Life as a Medium. Leslie Flint is 66 00:04:32,320 --> 00:04:35,640 Speaker 1: or was one of a kind because he would have 67 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:40,599 Speaker 1: people in these circles. The lights would be dimmed or off, 68 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:45,240 Speaker 1: and voices of people's loved ones would seem to come 69 00:04:45,240 --> 00:04:49,719 Speaker 1: out of mid air. There's a website dedicated to him, 70 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:54,880 Speaker 1: which is Leslie Flint dot com, where there are thousands 71 00:04:55,000 --> 00:04:59,680 Speaker 1: of these recordings. People would attend to sitting with Leslie. 72 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: He charged little to no money at all for this. 73 00:05:04,839 --> 00:05:07,520 Speaker 1: People could have a conversation with her loved one. Again, 74 00:05:08,440 --> 00:05:12,039 Speaker 1: always experimental, as in any kind of mediumship, so it 75 00:05:12,080 --> 00:05:17,800 Speaker 1: didn't always work, but when they did work, they were extraordinary. 76 00:05:18,200 --> 00:05:21,200 Speaker 1: He was one of the most tested mediums in all 77 00:05:21,240 --> 00:05:25,280 Speaker 1: of the world. They would do things as put die 78 00:05:25,360 --> 00:05:29,719 Speaker 1: in his mouth and some kind of liquid and tape 79 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:33,839 Speaker 1: his mouth shut, and these voices would still be heard. 80 00:05:34,600 --> 00:05:37,640 Speaker 1: And of course when they took the tape off, the 81 00:05:37,720 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: dye in the liquids would still be in his mouth. 82 00:05:40,960 --> 00:05:43,680 Speaker 1: There's so much you can read about him. And by 83 00:05:43,680 --> 00:05:45,680 Speaker 1: the way, he was born in nineteen eleven and I 84 00:05:45,680 --> 00:05:49,719 Speaker 1: believe he died in nine. There's a lady called Mary 85 00:05:49,800 --> 00:05:53,280 Speaker 1: Beth span Bank that I had a great conversation with, 86 00:05:53,360 --> 00:05:56,039 Speaker 1: and I want you to hear some of it. Her 87 00:05:56,279 --> 00:05:59,919 Speaker 1: husband is in the afterlife. She had a relationship with 88 00:06:00,120 --> 00:06:03,600 Speaker 1: him early on, and then years went by, they both 89 00:06:03,680 --> 00:06:07,000 Speaker 1: got married to other people, etcetera. They got back together, 90 00:06:07,360 --> 00:06:11,159 Speaker 1: they spent eighteen months together, and he passed, so she 91 00:06:11,279 --> 00:06:14,960 Speaker 1: wanted to know that he still exists. She's done a 92 00:06:15,000 --> 00:06:19,120 Speaker 1: lot of research on Leslie Flint, and in this conversation 93 00:06:19,240 --> 00:06:22,600 Speaker 1: she talks about it, and she brings up a husband 94 00:06:22,600 --> 00:06:26,440 Speaker 1: and wife called the Nangis. The wife was in spirit 95 00:06:27,040 --> 00:06:30,560 Speaker 1: and the husband lived and he would make these trips 96 00:06:30,760 --> 00:06:34,880 Speaker 1: to visit Leslie Flint and have conversations with his wife. 97 00:06:35,320 --> 00:06:39,040 Speaker 1: I'm getting goose bumps right now because I've heard some 98 00:06:39,080 --> 00:06:42,600 Speaker 1: of these conversations. So here's Mary Beth. Before I even 99 00:06:42,640 --> 00:06:45,240 Speaker 1: worried about anything about death, I have been listening to 100 00:06:45,920 --> 00:06:49,040 Speaker 1: Abraham Hicks. They always talk about the fact that there 101 00:06:49,120 --> 00:06:51,719 Speaker 1: is no death. There is no death. We continue on, 102 00:06:51,760 --> 00:06:54,560 Speaker 1: but they talk about it very broad brush strokes. And 103 00:06:54,600 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: so I had that in the back of my mind 104 00:06:56,800 --> 00:06:59,080 Speaker 1: that there is no death. I sort of knew that, 105 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:01,960 Speaker 1: but I didn't have to really think about it until 106 00:07:02,040 --> 00:07:07,039 Speaker 1: Paul passed, and then I was desperate for where is he? 107 00:07:07,440 --> 00:07:10,560 Speaker 1: Where is he? And one time, not long a few 108 00:07:10,640 --> 00:07:13,240 Speaker 1: days after he passed, I was at the thing brushing 109 00:07:13,240 --> 00:07:15,120 Speaker 1: my teeth, and all of a sudden, I felt like 110 00:07:15,880 --> 00:07:19,360 Speaker 1: a whoosh of a whoosh, a sensibility of Paul. And 111 00:07:19,400 --> 00:07:21,440 Speaker 1: it wasn't a memory, you know. It wasn't like I 112 00:07:21,480 --> 00:07:23,760 Speaker 1: was remembering that time we were to dinner, or that 113 00:07:23,840 --> 00:07:26,880 Speaker 1: time that we went on the trip to Hawaii. It 114 00:07:26,920 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: wasn't like that. It was just like whoosh, like oh wow. 115 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,880 Speaker 1: But instantly, as my zoom room partner Murray would say, 116 00:07:34,880 --> 00:07:36,960 Speaker 1: because he had that, everybody has had experience at one 117 00:07:36,960 --> 00:07:41,240 Speaker 1: point or another, it instantly triggers the missing of them. 118 00:07:41,320 --> 00:07:43,720 Speaker 1: So you get that, you get that love feeling, and 119 00:07:43,720 --> 00:07:46,480 Speaker 1: then all that like within like one millionth of a second, 120 00:07:46,920 --> 00:07:50,440 Speaker 1: you're bursting into tears. But I liked that feeling, and 121 00:07:50,480 --> 00:07:54,320 Speaker 1: so what I did was I began to notice when 122 00:07:54,360 --> 00:07:56,440 Speaker 1: it happened more and more, and sometimes it would happen 123 00:07:56,480 --> 00:07:58,440 Speaker 1: from a memory I purposed I would do a memory 124 00:07:58,640 --> 00:08:02,680 Speaker 1: like we remember Paul or something we did together, and 125 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,800 Speaker 1: other times it would just be spontaneous. And I love 126 00:08:05,880 --> 00:08:09,560 Speaker 1: the spontaneous ones because it didn't come from my at 127 00:08:09,600 --> 00:08:13,400 Speaker 1: least my conscious awareness. So I began to, you know, 128 00:08:13,560 --> 00:08:16,000 Speaker 1: notice that more and more and see different things, see 129 00:08:16,040 --> 00:08:20,240 Speaker 1: different signs from him. And one of the strongest signs 130 00:08:20,280 --> 00:08:23,960 Speaker 1: I had from him was I couldn't remember the dress 131 00:08:24,040 --> 00:08:26,360 Speaker 1: I had worn when we finally could be together, as 132 00:08:26,360 --> 00:08:29,679 Speaker 1: he would say, street legal, I couldn't really, And I'm thinking, 133 00:08:29,680 --> 00:08:31,400 Speaker 1: how can I forget what I wore? That must have 134 00:08:31,400 --> 00:08:33,680 Speaker 1: been so I remember the day, I remember the moment. 135 00:08:34,080 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 1: I can't remember what I wore. And I was visiting. 136 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:39,800 Speaker 1: I was from Michigan, visiting a friend on Long Island, 137 00:08:39,800 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 1: staying in a friend's home. And when I had moved 138 00:08:43,200 --> 00:08:45,000 Speaker 1: to Michigan, I had given away a lot of my things, 139 00:08:45,040 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: and I had given her a lot of my clothes. 140 00:08:47,920 --> 00:08:50,160 Speaker 1: And I looked in her closet, actually I was in 141 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:51,800 Speaker 1: her spare bed woment. I looked in her closet to 142 00:08:51,840 --> 00:08:54,800 Speaker 1: see if I could find, you know, the dress in question, 143 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:57,960 Speaker 1: and I couldn't find it. And she said to me, Mary, 144 00:08:58,000 --> 00:09:00,000 Speaker 1: be my son and his family are coming over there 145 00:09:00,000 --> 00:09:02,520 Speaker 1: going on a trip for two weeks across the country, 146 00:09:02,800 --> 00:09:05,720 Speaker 1: and they're coming over, so and in walks the family 147 00:09:05,800 --> 00:09:09,040 Speaker 1: and the daughter, who is about thirteen, is wearing the 148 00:09:09,120 --> 00:09:13,480 Speaker 1: dress because I had given her, my friend the dress. 149 00:09:14,160 --> 00:09:16,599 Speaker 1: She had given it to her granddaughter and it was 150 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:19,040 Speaker 1: just a little sheath dress. And I was like, oh, 151 00:09:19,520 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 1: that said, there's the dress. The odds of me being 152 00:09:22,679 --> 00:09:25,480 Speaker 1: there out of town, her family coming over at that 153 00:09:25,520 --> 00:09:27,160 Speaker 1: moment they were going to go out of town for 154 00:09:27,240 --> 00:09:30,840 Speaker 1: two weeks. The odds of the daughter, the granddaughter wearing 155 00:09:30,880 --> 00:09:35,000 Speaker 1: the dress are so astronomical. It just took my breath away. 156 00:09:35,720 --> 00:09:37,560 Speaker 1: And I have I have like a you know, a 157 00:09:37,600 --> 00:09:40,680 Speaker 1: book of those different things and things like that. The 158 00:09:40,720 --> 00:09:42,480 Speaker 1: other thing I did though, in my travels is I 159 00:09:42,559 --> 00:09:46,559 Speaker 1: found my way to Victor and Wendy sam It's Afterlife report, 160 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:50,120 Speaker 1: And in their report there was they all often put 161 00:09:50,200 --> 00:09:52,840 Speaker 1: videos in that report, and there was a video and 162 00:09:52,880 --> 00:09:54,680 Speaker 1: it said it was about a woman and a man 163 00:09:54,800 --> 00:09:59,120 Speaker 1: who communicated across the vale. And I had never heard 164 00:09:59,160 --> 00:10:01,240 Speaker 1: of anything like that, and so I clicked on it. 165 00:10:01,360 --> 00:10:04,560 Speaker 1: That led me to the work of medium Leslie Flint. 166 00:10:04,960 --> 00:10:07,600 Speaker 1: So I listened to this clip that was on the 167 00:10:07,600 --> 00:10:11,400 Speaker 1: Afterlife Report, and it was Dinshaw nan She Dctor, didn't 168 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,880 Speaker 1: Sha Nan. She's speaking with his wife Annie Nanji and 169 00:10:14,960 --> 00:10:17,839 Speaker 1: she is in spirit and he is here. And I 170 00:10:17,880 --> 00:10:22,080 Speaker 1: was fascinated by this. I couldn't believe this, and I 171 00:10:22,120 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: began to find out more about who this medium was 172 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:27,960 Speaker 1: and who these people were and all about this. And 173 00:10:28,200 --> 00:10:32,400 Speaker 1: Leslie Flint he was what they call a direct voice medium. Now, 174 00:10:32,440 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: most mediums that we know that they're say the Long 175 00:10:36,040 --> 00:10:39,880 Speaker 1: Island Medium or John Edward, you know, popular mediums, they're 176 00:10:39,920 --> 00:10:43,440 Speaker 1: what we call mental mediums. They get they received mental 177 00:10:43,480 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: messages and impressions and all that. Leslie Flint was different. 178 00:10:47,240 --> 00:10:50,840 Speaker 1: Leslie Flint was a direct voice medium, which means he 179 00:10:50,920 --> 00:10:54,120 Speaker 1: didn't received message mental or he may have, but that 180 00:10:54,400 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: wasn't a specialty. The direct voice piece of it is 181 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:00,360 Speaker 1: not a mental medium. Ship is also not or you're 182 00:11:00,440 --> 00:11:04,199 Speaker 1: channeling like Ester Hicks does, where you bring voices through 183 00:11:04,240 --> 00:11:06,920 Speaker 1: and you and you use your own voice to speak 184 00:11:07,160 --> 00:11:10,120 Speaker 1: the spirits words. It's not like that you're sitting in 185 00:11:10,120 --> 00:11:14,720 Speaker 1: a room and the voice of the spirits come into 186 00:11:14,720 --> 00:11:18,319 Speaker 1: the room and everyone in the room hears them, including 187 00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:22,120 Speaker 1: the medium. So and Leslie Flint did not sit in trance. 188 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:25,680 Speaker 1: He was fully aware and awake. He wasn't there. He 189 00:11:25,760 --> 00:11:29,000 Speaker 1: did sit in the dark. He was aware and awake 190 00:11:29,360 --> 00:11:31,720 Speaker 1: and would converse with the spirits as well as everyone 191 00:11:31,720 --> 00:11:35,040 Speaker 1: else in the room. He was alive between nineteen eleven 192 00:11:35,160 --> 00:11:37,760 Speaker 1: and he passed in nine four, so we had a 193 00:11:37,840 --> 00:11:41,040 Speaker 1: very long life. He was into his eighties and he 194 00:11:41,120 --> 00:11:46,040 Speaker 1: had his first seance at age seventeen, and he began 195 00:11:46,200 --> 00:11:50,840 Speaker 1: to develop under the tutelage of a woman named Edith Munden, 196 00:11:50,920 --> 00:11:53,160 Speaker 1: who he eventually married. She was older, but she was 197 00:11:53,240 --> 00:11:56,079 Speaker 1: like his mentor and his friend, and he really loved 198 00:11:56,080 --> 00:12:01,280 Speaker 1: her for that. And after World War two broke three. 199 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:05,400 Speaker 1: After that his work began to take off. And during 200 00:12:05,480 --> 00:12:07,680 Speaker 1: times of world World War One and World War two, 201 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:11,920 Speaker 1: when there's a great amount of death, people's interest in 202 00:12:11,960 --> 00:12:16,000 Speaker 1: the afterlife really spike, and so yes, and so he 203 00:12:16,320 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: had many many sitters. Interestingly though, he never charged a 204 00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:23,080 Speaker 1: penny for his seances, where he would sit with with 205 00:12:23,200 --> 00:12:25,520 Speaker 1: a number of sitters for and the other thing I 206 00:12:25,600 --> 00:12:29,040 Speaker 1: love about the Leslie Flint Educational Um Trust is it's 207 00:12:29,120 --> 00:12:31,680 Speaker 1: on the website. People can go there, you can listen 208 00:12:31,760 --> 00:12:35,800 Speaker 1: to the recordings for free. This is a good time 209 00:12:35,840 --> 00:12:38,440 Speaker 1: to go into our first break. 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You're listening to 218 00:13:08,559 --> 00:13:11,360 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and 219 00:13:11,480 --> 00:13:33,520 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast a M Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back 220 00:13:33,559 --> 00:13:36,160 Speaker 1: to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Champlain and you 221 00:13:36,200 --> 00:13:39,439 Speaker 1: are listening to a conversation I had with Mary Beth 222 00:13:39,559 --> 00:13:43,880 Speaker 1: spam Mank. She's talking about Leslie Flint, who was a 223 00:13:44,000 --> 00:13:47,320 Speaker 1: one of a kind medium who would sit with people 224 00:13:47,480 --> 00:13:50,120 Speaker 1: and voices would come out of nowhere and people could 225 00:13:50,200 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: have a conversation with their loved one for free or 226 00:13:53,520 --> 00:13:56,079 Speaker 1: for a very little charge. You know, we all need 227 00:13:56,120 --> 00:13:59,520 Speaker 1: to eat now, not every single one of Leslie Flints 228 00:13:59,520 --> 00:14:04,760 Speaker 1: SAMs were recorded, but in the nineteen fifties, so this 229 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,200 Speaker 1: is about twenty years lost. But in the nineteen fifties 230 00:14:07,200 --> 00:14:10,080 Speaker 1: there were two sitters, George Woods and Betty Green, who 231 00:14:10,120 --> 00:14:13,440 Speaker 1: began recording them because by them they had some recording equipment, 232 00:14:13,960 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 1: and they we now have one over one thousand sentences recorded. 233 00:14:18,520 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 1: There are third I believe thirty two of the what 234 00:14:22,720 --> 00:14:26,239 Speaker 1: they call the anti Nang recordings on the trust website, 235 00:14:26,480 --> 00:14:30,200 Speaker 1: and there are Carl told me probably thirty more. The 236 00:14:30,360 --> 00:14:35,160 Speaker 1: recordings are on tape, and they're very fragile. Jack Terence 237 00:14:35,200 --> 00:14:40,240 Speaker 1: Andrews over in Arizona, Paines taking Lee turns these tapes 238 00:14:40,280 --> 00:14:44,520 Speaker 1: into digitized recordings and it's a really a labor of loves. 239 00:14:44,560 --> 00:14:48,440 Speaker 1: So I listened to the nag recording. I was fascinated, 240 00:14:48,480 --> 00:14:50,600 Speaker 1: and then I went to the website and I saw 241 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:53,240 Speaker 1: all these recordings from I mean, there's many other people, 242 00:14:53,600 --> 00:14:56,800 Speaker 1: some famous people, some not so famous people. But I 243 00:14:56,840 --> 00:14:59,000 Speaker 1: was interested in the Nagis because that was a husband 244 00:14:59,000 --> 00:15:02,280 Speaker 1: and wife and they were soul mates and they were 245 00:15:02,480 --> 00:15:04,960 Speaker 1: romantic with each other, and I wanted to listen to 246 00:15:05,040 --> 00:15:07,920 Speaker 1: all of them. The problem was that out of the 247 00:15:08,120 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 1: thirty I think there were maybe two that were transcribed. 248 00:15:11,680 --> 00:15:15,320 Speaker 1: Number one. I'm hard of hearing Number two because it 249 00:15:15,440 --> 00:15:18,920 Speaker 1: was not just one person coming to speak with cities. 250 00:15:18,960 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 1: In other words, one spirit person coming in. It was 251 00:15:22,360 --> 00:15:25,560 Speaker 1: Dinshaw Nanji speaking with his wife, and then there was 252 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:30,360 Speaker 1: Mr Flint and often his spiritual sidekick Mickey, and sometimes 253 00:15:30,360 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 1: they're all talking at the same time and it's really 254 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:34,280 Speaker 1: hard for me to understand what they're saying, and they 255 00:15:34,320 --> 00:15:38,200 Speaker 1: have accents. So I contacted I'm not quite sure if 256 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:42,320 Speaker 1: I contacted Jack Terrence Andrews or Carl Jackson Burns about this, 257 00:15:42,440 --> 00:15:45,240 Speaker 1: but I said to them, why are there not more 258 00:15:45,440 --> 00:15:48,280 Speaker 1: transcriptions that makes it so much easier to listen and 259 00:15:48,320 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 1: read along? And they said, because they can't be These 260 00:15:53,840 --> 00:15:56,440 Speaker 1: recordings can't be put in what their software now that 261 00:15:56,520 --> 00:15:59,560 Speaker 1: just does it automatically because of the accents and because 262 00:15:59,560 --> 00:16:02,120 Speaker 1: of the of the recordings and not really all that great, 263 00:16:02,160 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: and you know, they try to make them as as 264 00:16:04,160 --> 00:16:07,000 Speaker 1: cleaned up as possible, but they're old. And they said 265 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:09,960 Speaker 1: they have to be done by hand by volunteers, and 266 00:16:10,000 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 1: we don't have volunteers. And I said, I'll volunteer to 267 00:16:12,160 --> 00:16:14,760 Speaker 1: do it, and so I started doing it and man 268 00:16:14,800 --> 00:16:16,800 Speaker 1: on man is it tedious? Let me just tell you, 269 00:16:16,840 --> 00:16:19,800 Speaker 1: because I try to get them exact because you know 270 00:16:19,840 --> 00:16:24,440 Speaker 1: the spirit voices and keep this historic fance and it 271 00:16:24,480 --> 00:16:27,040 Speaker 1: would take me for maybe a minute of recording it 272 00:16:27,040 --> 00:16:29,520 Speaker 1: would it could take me like two hours to get 273 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:32,560 Speaker 1: a tiny teeny that each fance is about a half 274 00:16:32,600 --> 00:16:36,360 Speaker 1: an hour long. But in doing that, I felt like 275 00:16:36,520 --> 00:16:39,640 Speaker 1: I really began to know these people. I felt like 276 00:16:39,720 --> 00:16:43,960 Speaker 1: they were friends of mine. I recognized in them. Even 277 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,000 Speaker 1: though the things that they discussed are different than what 278 00:16:46,080 --> 00:16:48,920 Speaker 1: Paul and I discussed, and all that, the love and 279 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,280 Speaker 1: the devotion and the excitement that they had just to 280 00:16:52,360 --> 00:16:55,760 Speaker 1: be communicating with each other was something that was very 281 00:16:55,840 --> 00:16:58,760 Speaker 1: very familiar to me, and it gave me such hope 282 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,280 Speaker 1: that this would be true for Paul and me, and 283 00:17:02,400 --> 00:17:06,359 Speaker 1: it was so very believable. The other thing I loved 284 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: about it, I always say to people that Dr Dinshaw Nanji, 285 00:17:10,200 --> 00:17:13,480 Speaker 1: who was a chemist from India, and that's significant because 286 00:17:13,560 --> 00:17:18,760 Speaker 1: often scientists are not so willing to step into our community. 287 00:17:19,080 --> 00:17:22,000 Speaker 1: And so he was a chemist, but he was desperate 288 00:17:22,680 --> 00:17:26,320 Speaker 1: two connect with his daughter, desperate to connect with his daughter. 289 00:17:26,480 --> 00:17:30,200 Speaker 1: And we have found out that our other good friend, 290 00:17:30,560 --> 00:17:34,480 Speaker 1: Stid Gurlston. He's from Sweden. He said, you know, I 291 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: can do some background research, and he found Dinshaw's daughter 292 00:17:37,720 --> 00:17:41,200 Speaker 1: from a first marriage, who was now older. But she said, 293 00:17:41,200 --> 00:17:45,280 Speaker 1: when not when Annie passed, My father was so restricken. 294 00:17:45,400 --> 00:17:47,439 Speaker 1: I couldn't even live with him. I moved out of 295 00:17:47,440 --> 00:17:51,680 Speaker 1: the house. He was so beside himself with grief. And 296 00:17:51,920 --> 00:17:53,920 Speaker 1: as you listen to the recordings through the years, his 297 00:17:54,119 --> 00:17:59,480 Speaker 1: fifteen years worth of recordings, Dinshon that with Mr Flint 298 00:17:59,480 --> 00:18:03,520 Speaker 1: twice a year, and sometimes sometimes they would sit twice 299 00:18:03,560 --> 00:18:05,960 Speaker 1: in that meeting, like two days in that meeting, So 300 00:18:06,520 --> 00:18:11,360 Speaker 1: you can see his own grief lifting off of him 301 00:18:11,560 --> 00:18:14,400 Speaker 1: through the years, through the conversations, and towards the end 302 00:18:14,480 --> 00:18:16,800 Speaker 1: he's saying, oh, yes, I'm an eighty year old man 303 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,120 Speaker 1: that people don't even believe the stuff. Don't I look good? 304 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:22,800 Speaker 1: And you can see that, you know, as long as 305 00:18:22,800 --> 00:18:25,600 Speaker 1: he knows she's there, As long as we know I 306 00:18:25,720 --> 00:18:28,520 Speaker 1: loved ones are there and they're happy, and they're healthy, 307 00:18:28,760 --> 00:18:32,080 Speaker 1: and they love us, and we will be reunited in 308 00:18:32,119 --> 00:18:34,960 Speaker 1: the relationship we are familiar with. I don't want to 309 00:18:35,000 --> 00:18:37,479 Speaker 1: cross over and find out Paul's my uncle you know, 310 00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,359 Speaker 1: I want him to be my over my husband, my sweetheart. 311 00:18:41,680 --> 00:18:44,280 Speaker 1: As long as we know that that continues in that way, 312 00:18:44,359 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: and that's what the Nong recordings reassured me of, then 313 00:18:47,560 --> 00:18:50,720 Speaker 1: I can go on. I can go on. And in 314 00:18:50,920 --> 00:18:54,040 Speaker 1: the recordings, which there's like so much stuff to talk, 315 00:18:54,119 --> 00:18:56,520 Speaker 1: you know, so many references that it would be impossible, 316 00:18:56,680 --> 00:18:59,879 Speaker 1: obviously to bring your listeners every single piece of it. 317 00:19:00,359 --> 00:19:03,160 Speaker 1: But I do know that some the people are most 318 00:19:03,200 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: concerned when when you lose someone, you're most concerned about 319 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,240 Speaker 1: a number of things, one of them being, you know, 320 00:19:08,280 --> 00:19:10,840 Speaker 1: will they be when I cross over? Will my son 321 00:19:11,000 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 1: be my son? Will my husband be my husband? Will 322 00:19:13,119 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 1: my mother be my mother? And the answer is something jeez, yes, 323 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:21,160 Speaker 1: the relationship here continues. It's it continues right now as 324 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:25,240 Speaker 1: a transdimensional relationship, as William Murray coined it, and when 325 00:19:25,240 --> 00:19:27,560 Speaker 1: we get over there, it will it continues the way 326 00:19:27,720 --> 00:19:31,720 Speaker 1: it is. So I love them because when I listened 327 00:19:31,760 --> 00:19:36,480 Speaker 1: to the recording and Sandra I pick up, I'm kind 328 00:19:36,520 --> 00:19:40,840 Speaker 1: of four different categories of conversation that this husband and 329 00:19:40,840 --> 00:19:43,879 Speaker 1: wife have with each other, and the first is that 330 00:19:43,960 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 1: they just have ordinary husband wife banter. Some of the 331 00:19:47,040 --> 00:19:48,800 Speaker 1: people who have listened to the tapes, they say, it's 332 00:19:48,800 --> 00:19:51,000 Speaker 1: almost like you're eavesdropping on them, you know, in there 333 00:19:51,040 --> 00:19:54,680 Speaker 1: for the privacy of their home. The four examples just 334 00:19:54,960 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: stract me up. One day, she said to him, I'm terrifrasing. 335 00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:01,600 Speaker 1: But she says to him that hat you're wearing and 336 00:20:01,640 --> 00:20:04,800 Speaker 1: he says, yes, I'm She says, well, it's just so old. 337 00:20:04,880 --> 00:20:07,239 Speaker 1: I want you to get a new hat. And he says, no, 338 00:20:07,359 --> 00:20:10,000 Speaker 1: it's fine, and she said, no, no, no, no, it's 339 00:20:10,040 --> 00:20:12,160 Speaker 1: just it's so old. I want you to go out 340 00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:14,000 Speaker 1: and get yourself a new hat and that will be 341 00:20:14,080 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: from me. And isn't that like so typical of so 342 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:20,080 Speaker 1: many you know, so many marriages where people say, oh, 343 00:20:20,200 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 1: you're wearing that today, which shows Mary Beth that she's 344 00:20:23,600 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: right there with them. I mean, we often it's easy 345 00:20:26,640 --> 00:20:29,280 Speaker 1: to think our loved ones are off in heaven somewhere 346 00:20:29,320 --> 00:20:32,440 Speaker 1: far away, but they're right here with us, just vibrating 347 00:20:32,440 --> 00:20:35,160 Speaker 1: in a different frequency. We can't see them, but they're 348 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:40,000 Speaker 1: very aware, correct of what we're doing, exactly exactly. And 349 00:20:40,040 --> 00:20:42,280 Speaker 1: then she always asked him, you know a number of 350 00:20:42,280 --> 00:20:44,520 Speaker 1: times in the recordings, this is true of real life too, 351 00:20:44,560 --> 00:20:47,240 Speaker 1: when you live with people, is that the same conversations 352 00:20:47,240 --> 00:20:50,320 Speaker 1: will pop up again and again and so throughout the 353 00:20:50,480 --> 00:20:52,960 Speaker 1: number of different recordings. Every so often she'll say to 354 00:20:53,080 --> 00:20:56,320 Speaker 1: him things like, um, you're keeping my things like you know, 355 00:20:56,359 --> 00:20:59,520 Speaker 1: he said, he hasn't removed her things. She says, my 356 00:20:59,600 --> 00:21:03,480 Speaker 1: bits and pieces. And he says, I'll never part with 357 00:21:03,520 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 1: any of them. And she says, oh, you know, you 358 00:21:05,600 --> 00:21:09,160 Speaker 1: know it's okay. And he says no. When I die, 359 00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,800 Speaker 1: that'll be time for other people can get rid of them. 360 00:21:11,800 --> 00:21:14,000 Speaker 1: Then I won't meet them. But right now, he says, 361 00:21:14,040 --> 00:21:17,280 Speaker 1: I often bury my face in your clothes and I 362 00:21:17,359 --> 00:21:19,920 Speaker 1: smell them. I mean, how many of us have done 363 00:21:19,960 --> 00:21:22,800 Speaker 1: that with a loved one. It's and and and it's 364 00:21:22,800 --> 00:21:25,800 Speaker 1: so these little reports, even though the little, tiny, little, 365 00:21:27,119 --> 00:21:30,600 Speaker 1: little tiny threads into their life. For me, it made 366 00:21:30,600 --> 00:21:33,560 Speaker 1: me feel like we're all the same. For all we 367 00:21:33,640 --> 00:21:37,320 Speaker 1: know how many people have felt this. Everybody, most everybody, 368 00:21:37,480 --> 00:21:39,520 Speaker 1: unless you know you pass when you're a baby, most 369 00:21:39,600 --> 00:21:42,840 Speaker 1: everybody feels this kind of thing. And he's very funny. 370 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,760 Speaker 1: And she also tells Mr Flint that he eats too 371 00:21:45,840 --> 00:21:49,160 Speaker 1: much and he's too fat, and everybody laughed in the fance, 372 00:21:50,080 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: and and she says, no, I mean she almost says, 373 00:21:53,160 --> 00:21:56,280 Speaker 1: I mean it in a good way. Really, it's the 374 00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:01,240 Speaker 1: stances are funny, they're upbeat. There's nothing heavy or desperate 375 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:04,879 Speaker 1: or horrible about them. So and one of my favorite 376 00:22:04,920 --> 00:22:08,399 Speaker 1: quotes he says to her the News as his nickname is. 377 00:22:08,560 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: He says to her, when I come to see you, 378 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,520 Speaker 1: when I in other ways, when I passed and I'm 379 00:22:13,560 --> 00:22:16,680 Speaker 1: with you, will I be able to feel your kiss 380 00:22:17,720 --> 00:22:23,040 Speaker 1: on my lips? And she says, of course, of course 381 00:22:23,080 --> 00:22:27,280 Speaker 1: you will. She said, our world is as solid to 382 00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:31,200 Speaker 1: us as yours is to you. I love that. I 383 00:22:31,440 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: love that. It's so beautiful, and for me it implies 384 00:22:35,000 --> 00:22:36,840 Speaker 1: even more than a kiss. You know, people want more 385 00:22:36,920 --> 00:22:40,400 Speaker 1: than that. They want the full hole of rock experience 386 00:22:40,520 --> 00:22:43,639 Speaker 1: with a beloved loved one, a romantic loved one. And 387 00:22:43,720 --> 00:22:48,200 Speaker 1: so she's reassuring him, of course, darling, of course, of course, 388 00:22:48,240 --> 00:22:50,680 Speaker 1: of course that's the way it is. And she says, 389 00:22:50,720 --> 00:22:53,800 Speaker 1: she comes to him, and she touches his hand, and she, 390 00:22:54,400 --> 00:22:56,360 Speaker 1: you know, or she knocks on the wall, she does 391 00:22:56,400 --> 00:22:59,840 Speaker 1: all these different things that people report, you know, sign 392 00:23:00,440 --> 00:23:03,560 Speaker 1: from their loved ones. Also, she says interestingly that if 393 00:23:03,560 --> 00:23:06,399 Speaker 1: he goes shopping and he sees something he would have 394 00:23:06,560 --> 00:23:09,240 Speaker 1: purchased for her if she were here, but he doesn't 395 00:23:09,280 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 1: because she's not. She says, I see you shopping for me, 396 00:23:12,840 --> 00:23:15,360 Speaker 1: and I see you wanting to pick things for me, 397 00:23:15,800 --> 00:23:19,680 Speaker 1: and I tell you I am replicating them in our 398 00:23:19,760 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: life here, and when you get here you will see 399 00:23:21,920 --> 00:23:26,200 Speaker 1: the So that's that's kind of cool. So yeah, So 400 00:23:26,359 --> 00:23:32,000 Speaker 1: it's a very morning world, this spirit world, yes, very real, yes, yes. 401 00:23:32,440 --> 00:23:35,560 Speaker 1: And every morning I pour coffee. I poured two cups 402 00:23:35,600 --> 00:23:37,200 Speaker 1: of coffee. If you were here right now, you see 403 00:23:37,240 --> 00:23:39,120 Speaker 1: two cups of coffee on my table, one for Fall 404 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:41,480 Speaker 1: and one for me, you know, and I sitting I 405 00:23:41,520 --> 00:23:44,320 Speaker 1: talked to him, sometimes mentally and sometimes out loud, but 406 00:23:44,400 --> 00:23:46,440 Speaker 1: of course, you know, he doesn't drink his cup here, 407 00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:49,800 Speaker 1: and I imagine he's having a cup in the day afterlife. 408 00:23:50,280 --> 00:23:54,320 Speaker 1: And one time I thought to myself, you know, sometimes 409 00:23:54,359 --> 00:23:56,480 Speaker 1: I drink his cup too, but sometimes I just poured 410 00:23:56,520 --> 00:23:58,760 Speaker 1: down the sink, and I think it's kind of a waste. 411 00:23:59,080 --> 00:24:00,919 Speaker 1: And I had to read and I'm not kidding you 412 00:24:01,440 --> 00:24:03,600 Speaker 1: with the medium online, I wasn't even talking to it 413 00:24:03,640 --> 00:24:05,679 Speaker 1: was just to the chat room, and she was reading me. 414 00:24:05,840 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 1: And she said he's bringing me this, this is my Paul. 415 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:12,840 Speaker 1: He's bringing me the smell of coffee, and he's saying 416 00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:16,159 Speaker 1: it's not a waste. And she didn't even know what 417 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:20,040 Speaker 1: that meant. Oh that's great, I know, isn't it cool? 418 00:24:20,240 --> 00:24:23,920 Speaker 1: So a lot of the antie Nanji and dingeon Aji 419 00:24:24,040 --> 00:24:27,320 Speaker 1: parallels to you know, what I'm experiencing in my life here. 420 00:24:27,400 --> 00:24:29,480 Speaker 1: So when I poured Paul a cup of coffee, I 421 00:24:29,520 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: am Meg and he is receiving that a lot of 422 00:24:32,000 --> 00:24:33,840 Speaker 1: people are just make this point that a lot of 423 00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,080 Speaker 1: people who are grieving are looking for signs from their 424 00:24:37,119 --> 00:24:39,919 Speaker 1: loved one, and sometimes on afterlife groups are on I 425 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,879 Speaker 1: don't I don't go on widow groups because they're just 426 00:24:42,000 --> 00:24:44,520 Speaker 1: too sad. But I was for a while and the 427 00:24:44,520 --> 00:24:49,959 Speaker 1: widow groups just so excruciatingly in pain, and they're like 428 00:24:50,000 --> 00:24:53,560 Speaker 1: I'm cut glass and they'll say, oh, I'm desperate for 429 00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,600 Speaker 1: a sign. I don't get any sign. And what William 430 00:24:56,680 --> 00:24:59,119 Speaker 1: Murray and I tell people is, don't worry about that 431 00:24:59,160 --> 00:25:02,840 Speaker 1: so much. Us start by giving them signs like pour 432 00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:05,360 Speaker 1: a cup of coffee for them, go shopping and pick 433 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:07,119 Speaker 1: up something, pick up like I don't know, you know, 434 00:25:07,280 --> 00:25:10,560 Speaker 1: some flowers or something and say these are for you. 435 00:25:10,560 --> 00:25:12,400 Speaker 1: You don't even have to really buy them. And then 436 00:25:12,520 --> 00:25:16,280 Speaker 1: once you begin to raise your own feelings and feel better, better, better, 437 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:19,360 Speaker 1: you will notice them because they are around you all 438 00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:21,840 Speaker 1: the time. It's just as sometimes the grief. We're so 439 00:25:22,040 --> 00:25:25,480 Speaker 1: distracted and so upset and so sad and we want 440 00:25:25,520 --> 00:25:28,720 Speaker 1: them to appear. Sitting on our couch. Let's head into 441 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,160 Speaker 1: our break and we'll be back with Mary Beth. You're 442 00:25:31,200 --> 00:25:33,920 Speaker 1: listening to Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart 443 00:25:34,000 --> 00:25:57,199 Speaker 1: Radio and Coast to Coast am Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome 444 00:25:57,240 --> 00:26:00,520 Speaker 1: back to Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sander Schamplain until 445 00:26:00,640 --> 00:26:06,359 Speaker 1: death us don't part, No, we stick together. And Mary 446 00:26:06,359 --> 00:26:09,880 Speaker 1: Beth was just talking about giving them signs. Talk to them, 447 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:13,679 Speaker 1: include them in our life, think about gifts you'd like 448 00:26:13,760 --> 00:26:17,280 Speaker 1: to give them, pour that cup of coffee, write a letter, 449 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:22,199 Speaker 1: whatever it takes to keep the conversation going that you 450 00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:25,680 Speaker 1: know that they're still alive. And I believe too that 451 00:26:25,680 --> 00:26:29,720 Speaker 1: that raises our vibration. It helps us feel better. And 452 00:26:29,760 --> 00:26:34,240 Speaker 1: there has been so much discussion on the better we feel, 453 00:26:34,600 --> 00:26:37,400 Speaker 1: the more the folks in the spirit world can use 454 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:42,840 Speaker 1: our energy. And give us signs, so it's definitely worth investigating. Now. 455 00:26:42,880 --> 00:26:45,560 Speaker 1: Mary Beth was also going to tell us about a 456 00:26:45,640 --> 00:26:49,840 Speaker 1: lady in her afterlife group, Bruce husband passed and she's alone. 457 00:26:49,880 --> 00:26:52,959 Speaker 1: She lives alone and she's elderly, lovely woman, but her 458 00:26:53,000 --> 00:26:55,080 Speaker 1: family is not on board with us, and according to her, 459 00:26:55,119 --> 00:26:57,280 Speaker 1: they think she's you know, lost her crackers or whatever 460 00:26:58,200 --> 00:26:59,879 Speaker 1: I think. But she said she was people think that, 461 00:27:00,000 --> 00:27:04,440 Speaker 1: oh sayd and just walking around her house alone, empty, sobbing, 462 00:27:04,640 --> 00:27:07,639 Speaker 1: sobbing desperately, and she said, screaming for her. I was 463 00:27:07,720 --> 00:27:10,640 Speaker 1: screaming and she and so William and I know, said 464 00:27:10,680 --> 00:27:12,560 Speaker 1: to just talk to him. And she said, I just, 465 00:27:12,680 --> 00:27:15,080 Speaker 1: even though I felt silly pauled by myself, I did it. 466 00:27:15,240 --> 00:27:17,760 Speaker 1: I talked aloud to him, and she said I started 467 00:27:17,760 --> 00:27:20,800 Speaker 1: feeling him. I really started began to feel him around me. 468 00:27:20,800 --> 00:27:22,679 Speaker 1: And she tells about all. She says, now I can 469 00:27:22,680 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: tell he's sitting right here. I mean, it really does 470 00:27:25,280 --> 00:27:27,640 Speaker 1: work to help you raise your vibration. And it's also 471 00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:29,760 Speaker 1: not about just them giving to you. It's about you 472 00:27:29,840 --> 00:27:33,520 Speaker 1: getting love to hear more about how you came together 473 00:27:33,600 --> 00:27:35,959 Speaker 1: with William. And you had said something to me earlier 474 00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:39,800 Speaker 1: about affirmations that William uses and how it impacts your grief, 475 00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,640 Speaker 1: and talk about your Facebook group and your zoom too, 476 00:27:43,440 --> 00:27:46,200 Speaker 1: if I made just before, just before I go there, 477 00:27:46,200 --> 00:27:47,639 Speaker 1: I just want to close out with the nan She 478 00:27:47,760 --> 00:27:51,000 Speaker 1: but one very wonderful quote that she said that I 479 00:27:51,000 --> 00:27:52,960 Speaker 1: think is really to the two things that I think 480 00:27:53,200 --> 00:27:55,520 Speaker 1: is really helpful for people who are suffering the way 481 00:27:55,560 --> 00:27:57,840 Speaker 1: I was suffering. He was talking about the fact that 482 00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,840 Speaker 1: he went to a garden where they hit a park 483 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,119 Speaker 1: something where they had been and he was starting to 484 00:28:02,160 --> 00:28:04,360 Speaker 1: get a little teary. That Jinshaw was starting to get 485 00:28:04,440 --> 00:28:08,240 Speaker 1: upset and he remembered and he's longing for her. Even 486 00:28:08,280 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: though we could talk to her, he could still he's 487 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:14,040 Speaker 1: so long. We would all, oh my god, we will 488 00:28:14,119 --> 00:28:16,199 Speaker 1: like if I light on for he had that, but 489 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:18,159 Speaker 1: it still wasn't enough, you know, he wanted to be 490 00:28:18,200 --> 00:28:21,320 Speaker 1: with it. And he says, I go to that. He said, 491 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,000 Speaker 1: I go to the spot where you were, and I 492 00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:27,080 Speaker 1: re call those precious moments. And she said, but they 493 00:28:27,119 --> 00:28:31,760 Speaker 1: will come again and they will be even more wonderful. 494 00:28:32,359 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: Here when you call um quote this is a quote here. 495 00:28:35,920 --> 00:28:39,600 Speaker 1: When you come, you will understand things I cannot possibly 496 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:43,240 Speaker 1: tell you because words I don't know. If you try 497 00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:46,640 Speaker 1: to remember the wonderful things and the wonderful happenings we 498 00:28:46,800 --> 00:28:51,400 Speaker 1: shared here, it is so much more when you come 499 00:28:51,480 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: to me. That's all I care about. And one other time, 500 00:28:56,000 --> 00:28:58,240 Speaker 1: this is to conclude the Annie Nangic thing. One other 501 00:28:58,320 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 1: time when was she open? Every time she comes to him, 502 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:03,080 Speaker 1: she's all excited and she's she always says, oh, what 503 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:05,160 Speaker 1: do we talk about? What? Try did you hear this 504 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:07,960 Speaker 1: little sweet dis she accent? What should we talk about now? 505 00:29:08,760 --> 00:29:13,120 Speaker 1: Which I'm not good at imitating, she says. She says 506 00:29:13,160 --> 00:29:16,960 Speaker 1: to him, Oh, my darling, I can think of nothing 507 00:29:17,040 --> 00:29:22,800 Speaker 1: but I love you. But that is everything, And I think, oh, 508 00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:26,440 Speaker 1: my god, it's just was just you know, food for 509 00:29:26,560 --> 00:29:29,560 Speaker 1: my soul. My god, my Paul is still there with 510 00:29:29,760 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: me every day and he's he's with me, he's waiting 511 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,040 Speaker 1: for me, and he's loving me. And that's why I 512 00:29:36,040 --> 00:29:38,200 Speaker 1: want to reassure all of your readers, what you know, 513 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:40,720 Speaker 1: no matter who has passed, that that is true for 514 00:29:40,760 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: all of us. That is true for all of us. 515 00:29:43,360 --> 00:29:45,480 Speaker 1: And you know, if you're someone who lost a husband 516 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,600 Speaker 1: or a sweetheart or fiance or whatever, twin soul, go 517 00:29:49,760 --> 00:29:52,040 Speaker 1: listen to the endy Nagy and I've got five of 518 00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:53,920 Speaker 1: the report of five of the transcripts, and we have 519 00:29:53,960 --> 00:29:56,640 Speaker 1: a couple other people working on them as well. It's 520 00:29:56,680 --> 00:30:00,280 Speaker 1: just at that day for this is all to come 521 00:30:00,320 --> 00:30:04,240 Speaker 1: together eventually in a book. Yes, yes, well that's not 522 00:30:04,360 --> 00:30:06,440 Speaker 1: yes not our goal. Yes, so we're working on a book. 523 00:30:06,840 --> 00:30:09,360 Speaker 1: All the people that I mentioned to date, and there's 524 00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:12,400 Speaker 1: another woman um I didn't get a permission mentioned her 525 00:30:12,440 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: last name, but her name is Marie and she's doing 526 00:30:14,520 --> 00:30:18,959 Speaker 1: transcripts as well. Jack and Carol and Stig and Maria 527 00:30:19,080 --> 00:30:21,080 Speaker 1: and I were all working in the book will be 528 00:30:21,680 --> 00:30:23,840 Speaker 1: It will be like a guide book for the Nangies 529 00:30:24,080 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: to listen to them and understand what they're saying. And 530 00:30:27,680 --> 00:30:29,520 Speaker 1: any of the proceeds will go back to the trust 531 00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: because Jack curates the website. Of course that costs money 532 00:30:33,000 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: to all these things, you know, things cost money, even 533 00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,160 Speaker 1: with volunteers, and so we feel like this will be 534 00:30:39,200 --> 00:30:42,720 Speaker 1: a help to people like so the most definitely, as 535 00:30:42,760 --> 00:30:47,600 Speaker 1: we can all map on our relationships, even though you 536 00:30:47,600 --> 00:30:49,880 Speaker 1: know it isn't our loved one speaking through, but you'll 537 00:30:49,920 --> 00:30:53,640 Speaker 1: see how real they are. It's very healing to hear 538 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:57,000 Speaker 1: these these words back and forth from husband and wife 539 00:30:57,040 --> 00:30:59,800 Speaker 1: and yes, even across the vale, but you'll really get 540 00:30:59,840 --> 00:31:02,840 Speaker 1: it that your loved one, whoever that may be, is 541 00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:06,080 Speaker 1: still with you. So and it's important. I learned two 542 00:31:06,120 --> 00:31:08,360 Speaker 1: things from Carl that are key in all of this 543 00:31:08,520 --> 00:31:11,360 Speaker 1: trying to feel better when you are longing so much. 544 00:31:11,640 --> 00:31:14,640 Speaker 1: He said. Number one is patients and he told that 545 00:31:14,960 --> 00:31:18,200 Speaker 1: refers back to the you know, the recording, the recording 546 00:31:18,200 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: with Leslie Flint where he waited for half an hour 547 00:31:20,240 --> 00:31:23,240 Speaker 1: and nothing happened. To just be patient, be patient with yourself, 548 00:31:23,280 --> 00:31:25,520 Speaker 1: be patient with your loved one and all of that. 549 00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:30,320 Speaker 1: Just be you know, be patient, take a breath. And 550 00:31:30,800 --> 00:31:33,200 Speaker 1: something else that was interesting from Carl was I said 551 00:31:33,200 --> 00:31:35,200 Speaker 1: to him, sometimes I lament the fact that some of 552 00:31:35,240 --> 00:31:38,200 Speaker 1: my nearest endears are not on board with this, and 553 00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,080 Speaker 1: it's hard to share my enthusiasm for it with them. 554 00:31:41,080 --> 00:31:44,200 Speaker 1: And he said, Carl said, I don't share it with people. 555 00:31:44,440 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: I don't unless he knows they're like minded. But he said, 556 00:31:47,440 --> 00:31:50,040 Speaker 1: I just don't. And I think that that can you know, 557 00:31:50,120 --> 00:31:52,000 Speaker 1: you you you want so long that to be so 558 00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,040 Speaker 1: excited to share it like with the people that you're 559 00:31:54,080 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: closest to, but if they're not on board, it can 560 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,880 Speaker 1: be very discouraging. And the last thing we need is 561 00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:01,400 Speaker 1: any sort of discourage. So it just blessed them and 562 00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:04,320 Speaker 1: let them have their own half and share with the 563 00:32:04,360 --> 00:32:06,720 Speaker 1: people who you know are going to go hit hit parade. 564 00:32:07,080 --> 00:32:11,920 Speaker 1: So that those are two little chips. As for William 565 00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:15,000 Speaker 1: as oh not mine, but yes, goodwards. As for William, 566 00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:18,320 Speaker 1: William Murray is um a person. I hope he doesn't 567 00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 1: mind me talking about him. But he's done the afterlife, 568 00:32:21,800 --> 00:32:24,960 Speaker 1: many of the afterlife groups, and he was married to 569 00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:29,480 Speaker 1: his wife Irene as soulmates that were married for many years, 570 00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,400 Speaker 1: over twenty years together, and Irene passed from cancer as well. 571 00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:40,600 Speaker 1: And he wrote a book that's online. It's called Love Afterlife. 572 00:32:40,680 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: It's an Amazon book that's available for like really minimal amounts. 573 00:32:46,720 --> 00:32:48,400 Speaker 1: But they also has a blog, and if you google 574 00:32:48,480 --> 00:32:51,320 Speaker 1: his name William Murray and you are a y and blog, 575 00:32:51,360 --> 00:32:53,960 Speaker 1: it'll come up. Love Afterlife is his blog and the 576 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:56,360 Speaker 1: book is available as a pdf for free on his 577 00:32:56,520 --> 00:32:59,240 Speaker 1: blog page if you want to look at that. So, yeah, 578 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,840 Speaker 1: so William and I were on these other afterlife groups 579 00:33:01,840 --> 00:33:03,960 Speaker 1: and began to gravitate towards each other. As law of 580 00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:06,800 Speaker 1: attraction will have people who are like minded gravitate toward 581 00:33:06,880 --> 00:33:09,880 Speaker 1: each other. And William began to just firstly described how 582 00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:13,280 Speaker 1: the grief was so incredibly fearing. It was horrible for him. 583 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:16,240 Speaker 1: You know, he was having panic attacks, he was throwing up, 584 00:33:16,280 --> 00:33:21,120 Speaker 1: he was he couldn't imagine life without his Direne, and 585 00:33:21,440 --> 00:33:24,040 Speaker 1: they have six children between the two of them, and 586 00:33:24,120 --> 00:33:26,479 Speaker 1: you know, he wasn't ready to take himself out. And 587 00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,240 Speaker 1: so William know was very smart. He's like my mentor, 588 00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:31,920 Speaker 1: and he and I both agreed, I mean in our 589 00:33:31,960 --> 00:33:34,320 Speaker 1: own heads, not with each we hadn't even communicated, but 590 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:36,640 Speaker 1: I mean we were in agreement with this fact that 591 00:33:36,720 --> 00:33:39,520 Speaker 1: there is no death and that if we were going 592 00:33:39,560 --> 00:33:41,560 Speaker 1: to feel our love going around us, we had to 593 00:33:41,640 --> 00:33:44,120 Speaker 1: make we had to lift ourselves up out of that deep, 594 00:33:44,600 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: deep grief. Williams, you know, his learning was a little 595 00:33:47,840 --> 00:33:49,640 Speaker 1: bit different than mine. I've learned from a lot of 596 00:33:49,640 --> 00:33:52,800 Speaker 1: different teachers, but many of much of our teachings were 597 00:33:52,840 --> 00:33:56,040 Speaker 1: the same that we brought to this grief experience. And 598 00:33:56,080 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: William decided, which I think was brilliant Dad, when he 599 00:34:00,320 --> 00:34:03,800 Speaker 1: noticed that when he felt Irene's presence around him. It 600 00:34:03,840 --> 00:34:06,160 Speaker 1: would feel good from no a second, and then that 601 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:09,200 Speaker 1: grief would kick in, and he began saying to her 602 00:34:09,360 --> 00:34:12,759 Speaker 1: out loud, you know, Irene, don't stop coming near me. 603 00:34:12,840 --> 00:34:16,360 Speaker 1: Let me handle my own grief. I want to feel 604 00:34:16,360 --> 00:34:19,000 Speaker 1: your love. And he allowed himself to feel it more 605 00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:20,960 Speaker 1: and more and more and more, and he kept his blog, 606 00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:23,360 Speaker 1: and in the blog he started saying, hey, you know 607 00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:26,160 Speaker 1: what it's been. You know, three weeks I haven't really 608 00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:28,520 Speaker 1: felt to me. I haven't felt that fearing. Of course, 609 00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,400 Speaker 1: I've so long for her, but it's not as bad. 610 00:34:31,000 --> 00:34:35,640 Speaker 1: And eventually he realized he had eradicated it, and he 611 00:34:35,680 --> 00:34:37,880 Speaker 1: did it. In his book, he has a number of 612 00:34:38,360 --> 00:34:40,560 Speaker 1: I guess you could call them action steps that he 613 00:34:40,680 --> 00:34:45,200 Speaker 1: took to really eradicate the grief. And meanwhile, on my own, 614 00:34:45,680 --> 00:34:48,800 Speaker 1: irrespectable what William was doing, I was doing similar things. 615 00:34:49,280 --> 00:34:52,640 Speaker 1: And we found together that we're more in love with 616 00:34:52,680 --> 00:34:56,719 Speaker 1: our crossover sweethearts than even we were when they were here. 617 00:34:56,880 --> 00:35:00,760 Speaker 1: And William says that part of the purpose of grief. 618 00:35:00,760 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 1: He said, imagine when we get there, how fabulous that reunion, 619 00:35:05,920 --> 00:35:10,080 Speaker 1: how amazing that reunion, And so many of the other 620 00:35:10,120 --> 00:35:13,000 Speaker 1: grief groups of traditional grief groups online or people you know, 621 00:35:13,080 --> 00:35:16,120 Speaker 1: and they're all well intended, Sandra, but so many of 622 00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,080 Speaker 1: them really they really ascribe to the notion that yes, 623 00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:21,440 Speaker 1: you love your love, and yes you can communicate with them, 624 00:35:21,520 --> 00:35:23,960 Speaker 1: yes you can feel better, but you're always going to 625 00:35:24,040 --> 00:35:26,040 Speaker 1: have that whole in your heart. And William and I 626 00:35:26,080 --> 00:35:29,160 Speaker 1: didn't feel that, and so we kind of broke off 627 00:35:29,160 --> 00:35:31,800 Speaker 1: and did our own thing. And we have a Facebook 628 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:36,239 Speaker 1: group called Love Afterlife, and we have a zoom room 629 00:35:36,280 --> 00:35:40,839 Speaker 1: meeting where we meet every week at three to four 630 00:35:41,600 --> 00:35:43,719 Speaker 1: New York time, but we have people all around the 631 00:35:43,719 --> 00:35:46,399 Speaker 1: world to come. And now William and I just sort 632 00:35:46,400 --> 00:35:47,920 Speaker 1: of sit back and they all kind of talk to 633 00:35:47,960 --> 00:35:50,000 Speaker 1: each other about can you imagine it's amazing this, and 634 00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:53,879 Speaker 1: it's amazing that. And William and I I know from 635 00:35:53,880 --> 00:35:55,839 Speaker 1: talking to him that we really believe that the most 636 00:35:55,840 --> 00:35:59,200 Speaker 1: paramount thing is to believe that every single thing that 637 00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: happens to you is for your own benefit, including your 638 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,759 Speaker 1: partner's cancer and including death. Every single thing is for 639 00:36:05,800 --> 00:36:08,360 Speaker 1: your own benefit. And if you can find the parts 640 00:36:08,400 --> 00:36:12,279 Speaker 1: to appreciate. I know it sounds so, you know when 641 00:36:12,320 --> 00:36:15,560 Speaker 1: my Pollyanna ish, but if you can find the parts 642 00:36:15,560 --> 00:36:19,080 Speaker 1: to appreciate, which is different from gratitude. Gratitude is thank you, 643 00:36:19,120 --> 00:36:20,920 Speaker 1: thank you, thank you. I would never say that for 644 00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,160 Speaker 1: cancer or Paul's passing, by the way, but but there 645 00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:27,800 Speaker 1: are things that can appreciate about it, about those things, 646 00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,280 Speaker 1: and if you can find the parts you can appreciate, 647 00:36:30,360 --> 00:36:32,760 Speaker 1: if you can begin to support yourself from the inside 648 00:36:32,760 --> 00:36:36,240 Speaker 1: out and do whatever is necessary, you can make yourself 649 00:36:36,280 --> 00:36:39,719 Speaker 1: feel better and better and better and better. Then you 650 00:36:39,760 --> 00:36:42,320 Speaker 1: can feel your loved one with you. And I feel 651 00:36:42,320 --> 00:36:45,480 Speaker 1: Paul with me all the time. I mean, it's funny. 652 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,360 Speaker 1: I almost feel him coming and going the way you 653 00:36:47,400 --> 00:36:49,680 Speaker 1: would in a normal situation, Like he went to work 654 00:36:49,680 --> 00:36:51,040 Speaker 1: and I went to work, and then we came back 655 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,200 Speaker 1: together and at dinner. You know, he's not with me 656 00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,799 Speaker 1: every single second of the day, but there's times where 657 00:36:55,840 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: he just kind of whoshes in and I say, oh, 658 00:36:58,280 --> 00:37:01,680 Speaker 1: thank you. That's the other thing Williams says thank you 659 00:37:01,719 --> 00:37:05,080 Speaker 1: to everything. Um people will say I had the craziest 660 00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,160 Speaker 1: dream last night. I dreamt that my husband's spirit went 661 00:37:08,200 --> 00:37:11,000 Speaker 1: off and doesn't love me anymore, And William would say, 662 00:37:11,320 --> 00:37:16,520 Speaker 1: that's your husband visiting mixed in with your fears. So 663 00:37:17,400 --> 00:37:20,480 Speaker 1: thank your husband for coming in your and say, oh, honey, 664 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,399 Speaker 1: I'm so sorry, and I'm so fearful about so many 665 00:37:22,400 --> 00:37:24,880 Speaker 1: other things. Thank you for showing up. And I promise 666 00:37:24,960 --> 00:37:27,239 Speaker 1: I'm going to try and feel better, so next time 667 00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,439 Speaker 1: you show up, it's easier for you to get through. 668 00:37:30,480 --> 00:37:33,560 Speaker 1: So there's nothing that shows up on William's radar, and 669 00:37:33,640 --> 00:37:37,319 Speaker 1: I'm practiced as well as this or my radar as 670 00:37:37,440 --> 00:37:43,879 Speaker 1: something horrible, tragic, disgusting, hideous, nothing, nothing. It's all good 671 00:37:44,480 --> 00:37:47,640 Speaker 1: and it's all for our benefit. And the afterlife is real. 672 00:37:48,000 --> 00:37:50,080 Speaker 1: Our loved us are right there, they're right here. The 673 00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,719 Speaker 1: afterlife is all about us. It's not anywhere far off. 674 00:37:52,760 --> 00:37:54,880 Speaker 1: It's not up in the heaven is there anything. It's 675 00:37:55,000 --> 00:37:58,719 Speaker 1: right here and we'll be right back. You're listening to 676 00:37:58,840 --> 00:38:01,480 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife on the I Heart Radio and 677 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:24,960 Speaker 1: Coast to Coast AM Paranormal Podcast Network. Welcome back to 678 00:38:25,040 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: Shades of the Afterlife. I'm Sanders Champlain. Mary Beth was 679 00:38:28,480 --> 00:38:32,719 Speaker 1: just talking about the difference between appreciation and gratitude. We 680 00:38:33,040 --> 00:38:39,280 Speaker 1: can appreciate things going wrong in our life, that they 681 00:38:39,320 --> 00:38:42,759 Speaker 1: give us spiritual growth, that they have us look at 682 00:38:42,800 --> 00:38:46,359 Speaker 1: the bigger picture. We can use them to empower us. 683 00:38:47,280 --> 00:38:49,719 Speaker 1: There's always a point in our life that we can 684 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,600 Speaker 1: look back on the things that have happened and say, 685 00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:55,160 Speaker 1: if that didn't happen that way, I wouldn't be where 686 00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:59,040 Speaker 1: I am today. So it's different than being thankful for 687 00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:02,560 Speaker 1: bad things happening. It's more being in the driver's seat 688 00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: and taking that victim mentality out the woe was me? 689 00:39:08,600 --> 00:39:11,440 Speaker 1: And please take care of yourself if you are grieving, 690 00:39:11,920 --> 00:39:14,600 Speaker 1: but there will come a time where you can empower yourself. 691 00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:18,640 Speaker 1: And even going through what you've gone through, you might 692 00:39:18,680 --> 00:39:20,759 Speaker 1: be just the person who can make a difference for 693 00:39:20,800 --> 00:39:26,080 Speaker 1: another person, So don't discount your experiences. So, Mary Beth, 694 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: you have done so much, and I know you've raised 695 00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:33,279 Speaker 1: your own vibrations by helping out so many people. I 696 00:39:33,360 --> 00:39:36,040 Speaker 1: am thrilled for all the volunteer work you're doing for 697 00:39:36,080 --> 00:39:41,160 Speaker 1: the Leslie Flint Foundation, and really just thank you for 698 00:39:41,200 --> 00:39:43,759 Speaker 1: all you're doing. And it's changed my view on death, 699 00:39:43,800 --> 00:39:45,960 Speaker 1: of course. I mean I had another love one, my 700 00:39:46,040 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 1: ex mother in law, Grammar to my kids, just recently passed. 701 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:51,319 Speaker 1: It was sad and I love her dearly, but I 702 00:39:51,360 --> 00:39:53,640 Speaker 1: know she's perfectly well and happy and young and fine 703 00:39:53,800 --> 00:39:57,320 Speaker 1: and so it's the it takes the bite out of death, 704 00:39:57,760 --> 00:40:00,640 Speaker 1: the death experience when when someone you love. Guys, when 705 00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,560 Speaker 1: you know these things, it still hurts, but it's not 706 00:40:03,880 --> 00:40:08,160 Speaker 1: so horrible and it's doable, and we're all in this together, 707 00:40:08,280 --> 00:40:12,080 Speaker 1: and it happens to almost virtually, Like I said, unless 708 00:40:12,080 --> 00:40:14,640 Speaker 1: you die when you're you know, very very very very young, 709 00:40:15,360 --> 00:40:18,640 Speaker 1: it happens to all of us eventually. So I think 710 00:40:18,680 --> 00:40:22,479 Speaker 1: that you know this community and you're offerings your radio show, 711 00:40:22,520 --> 00:40:26,000 Speaker 1: and everybody who contributes in all their many different ways, 712 00:40:26,520 --> 00:40:34,120 Speaker 1: not a horrible, hideous thing. It's a very exciting, invigorating, wonderful, sparkling, 713 00:40:35,080 --> 00:40:37,319 Speaker 1: wondrous world to be in the world of afterlife. And 714 00:40:37,360 --> 00:40:40,520 Speaker 1: so I'm so glad that Paul ushered me into this. Yeah. 715 00:40:40,560 --> 00:40:43,640 Speaker 1: And can anyone UM that's lost a loved one I 716 00:40:43,680 --> 00:40:45,960 Speaker 1: hate to use the word lost because they're not lost. 717 00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:48,239 Speaker 1: Can they be part of your group? Well, yes, as 718 00:40:48,280 --> 00:40:50,839 Speaker 1: long as they have um Like for example, some people 719 00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:52,920 Speaker 1: come to us and said my son died, and we 720 00:40:53,920 --> 00:40:57,800 Speaker 1: gently and gracefully decline them because we are not experts. 721 00:40:58,080 --> 00:41:00,360 Speaker 1: We have no notion about what it's like when a 722 00:41:00,440 --> 00:41:03,000 Speaker 1: child passes. That's a whole different kettle of fish, and 723 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:06,560 Speaker 1: so William and I wouldn't even begin to address that. 724 00:41:06,840 --> 00:41:08,759 Speaker 1: And William goes out of his way every single time 725 00:41:08,800 --> 00:41:12,160 Speaker 1: he speaks or talks to say to people. In my opinion, 726 00:41:12,239 --> 00:41:15,719 Speaker 1: in my experience, in my own knowing, this may not 727 00:41:15,760 --> 00:41:19,360 Speaker 1: be your knowing. Williams just recently had an astro projection 728 00:41:19,400 --> 00:41:22,400 Speaker 1: with Irene that he's talking about, you know, in the 729 00:41:22,440 --> 00:41:23,879 Speaker 1: groups and things like that. So I don't think it's 730 00:41:23,880 --> 00:41:27,560 Speaker 1: a secret. And he now is convinced more than ever 731 00:41:27,719 --> 00:41:30,800 Speaker 1: he went and met with her, and so that's so exciting. 732 00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,560 Speaker 1: I haven't had that happened, but he'll say, here's how 733 00:41:34,640 --> 00:41:36,520 Speaker 1: it happened for me. I don't know that this is 734 00:41:36,520 --> 00:41:38,600 Speaker 1: going to be your path. I don't know. Here's what 735 00:41:38,640 --> 00:41:41,919 Speaker 1: happened for me. I'll share it with you, but I 736 00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:45,400 Speaker 1: am not you. And so you're you might not have 737 00:41:45,440 --> 00:41:47,960 Speaker 1: an astral projection, no matter how hard you try, because 738 00:41:48,000 --> 00:41:49,640 Speaker 1: that may not be in the cards to you. I'm 739 00:41:49,680 --> 00:41:51,680 Speaker 1: not sure exactly how every single none of us are 740 00:41:51,719 --> 00:41:54,200 Speaker 1: sure exactly how every single thing works. We don't know 741 00:41:54,400 --> 00:41:57,920 Speaker 1: everything single thing works here on earth, you know, So 742 00:41:58,320 --> 00:42:02,319 Speaker 1: we always give that caveat that it's not our experience 743 00:42:02,400 --> 00:42:05,759 Speaker 1: may not be exactly your experience, but I will tell 744 00:42:05,840 --> 00:42:09,520 Speaker 1: you that it's beneficial always, no matter what your circumstances, 745 00:42:09,840 --> 00:42:13,200 Speaker 1: to always reach for something that feels better, better, better, better, 746 00:42:13,360 --> 00:42:16,719 Speaker 1: that does serve, that does serve you and people around you. 747 00:42:17,040 --> 00:42:21,560 Speaker 1: We can always learn and take nuggets from anything, even 748 00:42:21,600 --> 00:42:24,040 Speaker 1: if we don't buy into everything we hear. But the 749 00:42:24,120 --> 00:42:26,680 Speaker 1: name of your Facebook group, am I correct that it's 750 00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:31,120 Speaker 1: Forever in Love with our Partners who have crossed Over? No, 751 00:42:31,320 --> 00:42:33,759 Speaker 1: that's not our group. That's a different group. Our our 752 00:42:33,800 --> 00:42:37,400 Speaker 1: group is Love after Life. Oh well, that's much easier 753 00:42:37,400 --> 00:42:41,040 Speaker 1: to type out anyways. And by the way, I want 754 00:42:41,040 --> 00:42:45,040 Speaker 1: to say sounder what you just said. Um about William 755 00:42:45,040 --> 00:42:46,920 Speaker 1: and I also have We know, we have our own things, 756 00:42:47,000 --> 00:42:49,080 Speaker 1: but we also advise people take it or leave it. 757 00:42:49,120 --> 00:42:51,000 Speaker 1: But we also advise people that in the world the 758 00:42:51,040 --> 00:42:53,000 Speaker 1: after life, you're going to hear things that don't resonate 759 00:42:53,040 --> 00:42:55,080 Speaker 1: with you and William and I in an effort to 760 00:42:55,160 --> 00:42:59,080 Speaker 1: keep our vibration high and happy and loving. If I 761 00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,279 Speaker 1: hear a piece of information Shan that doesn't sound right 762 00:43:01,320 --> 00:43:03,239 Speaker 1: to me, I just throw it out. I don't even 763 00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:05,000 Speaker 1: pay any attention to it. I don't worry, but I 764 00:43:05,040 --> 00:43:06,960 Speaker 1: did in the past. I would read stuff and I 765 00:43:06,960 --> 00:43:08,919 Speaker 1: would be and it would draw me for a loop. 766 00:43:08,960 --> 00:43:12,920 Speaker 1: I'd be shobbing out loud. Now I think, well, that 767 00:43:12,960 --> 00:43:15,439 Speaker 1: doesn't personate with me, and I just discovered it. Yeah, 768 00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,840 Speaker 1: and maybe that's sticking my head in the sand. I 769 00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:22,120 Speaker 1: don't know, but I don't care. Take what empowers you, 770 00:43:22,760 --> 00:43:25,760 Speaker 1: and that goes for any information you get from anybody, 771 00:43:25,760 --> 00:43:28,680 Speaker 1: whether it's on one of these episodes, a book you read. 772 00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:30,560 Speaker 1: You know, don't throw the whole thing out because of 773 00:43:30,640 --> 00:43:33,160 Speaker 1: one thing. Take what empowers you, because we are each 774 00:43:33,200 --> 00:43:36,920 Speaker 1: on our own individual journey. And just exactly one thing 775 00:43:36,920 --> 00:43:40,080 Speaker 1: about your Facebook group, I have no problem that you 776 00:43:40,120 --> 00:43:45,520 Speaker 1: are communicating with people who are interested in the transdimensional 777 00:43:45,840 --> 00:43:48,840 Speaker 1: love life. Uh. And there are great groups like Helping 778 00:43:48,880 --> 00:43:52,359 Speaker 1: Parents Heal that work with grieving parents, and if you're 779 00:43:52,360 --> 00:43:54,640 Speaker 1: not a grieving parents, you know that may not be 780 00:43:54,680 --> 00:43:57,960 Speaker 1: the group for you because it is specialized and and yeah, 781 00:43:57,960 --> 00:43:59,759 Speaker 1: and it's possible with some of the tenements and some 782 00:43:59,800 --> 00:44:02,760 Speaker 1: of the things that we share our useful for those people. 783 00:44:02,760 --> 00:44:05,080 Speaker 1: But we just don't feel we really feel like that's 784 00:44:05,120 --> 00:44:07,440 Speaker 1: way out of our element. That's not you know, we 785 00:44:07,440 --> 00:44:09,399 Speaker 1: we don't have that, except well, we are I only 786 00:44:09,440 --> 00:44:11,719 Speaker 1: working on our own experience and what works for us 787 00:44:11,760 --> 00:44:14,719 Speaker 1: and what's been helpful for us. That's what we can 788 00:44:14,760 --> 00:44:19,839 Speaker 1: share knowledgeably. But my children are here. I haven't lost 789 00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:23,120 Speaker 1: a child, you know, and uh so I can't speak 790 00:44:23,280 --> 00:44:26,520 Speaker 1: responsibly in any way man are formed to anyone who has, 791 00:44:26,680 --> 00:44:28,760 Speaker 1: for example, lost a child. But yet there are groups 792 00:44:28,760 --> 00:44:33,200 Speaker 1: who do. Yeah. And if someone's listening right now and 793 00:44:33,280 --> 00:44:36,680 Speaker 1: on one of these episodes, we have not covered your 794 00:44:36,920 --> 00:44:42,719 Speaker 1: particular area of grief. I can nine percent guarantee you 795 00:44:42,840 --> 00:44:45,080 Speaker 1: that I know someone to connect you with or a 796 00:44:45,160 --> 00:44:48,480 Speaker 1: Facebook group, So feel free to write me Sandra Champlaine 797 00:44:48,480 --> 00:44:50,400 Speaker 1: at gmail dot com and I will be able to 798 00:44:50,440 --> 00:44:54,359 Speaker 1: connect you with the right group or several of them. 799 00:44:54,400 --> 00:44:57,799 Speaker 1: But very bath, it's time for us to say our 800 00:44:57,840 --> 00:45:02,760 Speaker 1: final words. Um as I knew it would go by fast. 801 00:45:03,400 --> 00:45:05,560 Speaker 1: But yeah, do you have any a couple of final 802 00:45:05,560 --> 00:45:09,200 Speaker 1: words you want to share? And then I will one 803 00:45:09,200 --> 00:45:11,719 Speaker 1: of the interview, Yeah, one one of the little you know. 804 00:45:11,760 --> 00:45:13,560 Speaker 1: I have all these different little axioms and things and 805 00:45:13,680 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 1: little little um you know affirmations. I mean William William. 806 00:45:17,880 --> 00:45:21,800 Speaker 1: Some of William's affirmations are things like you know, Irene, Irene, 807 00:45:21,880 --> 00:45:23,919 Speaker 1: you and I are together, Irene, we are in love. 808 00:45:24,040 --> 00:45:26,120 Speaker 1: I know you're right here. You know. He constantly won't 809 00:45:26,120 --> 00:45:28,520 Speaker 1: reassure himself that way. And then his book, he has 810 00:45:28,560 --> 00:45:30,640 Speaker 1: all of the enlisted, so you can go and read 811 00:45:30,680 --> 00:45:33,240 Speaker 1: his book for free. But one of the little things 812 00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:35,399 Speaker 1: I love that I often say to myself that I've 813 00:45:35,440 --> 00:45:37,760 Speaker 1: picked up in some little wacky book that they actually 814 00:45:37,840 --> 00:45:39,960 Speaker 1: talked to you about how you can prepare a body 815 00:45:40,000 --> 00:45:43,920 Speaker 1: for death yourself, which I wasn't intending to do. But 816 00:45:44,560 --> 00:45:45,880 Speaker 1: but I had a little quote in the beginning of 817 00:45:45,920 --> 00:45:49,200 Speaker 1: the book and it said Mary meet Amy r r 818 00:45:49,400 --> 00:45:53,520 Speaker 1: Y Mary Meat and Mary part and Mary meat again. 819 00:45:54,320 --> 00:45:58,160 Speaker 1: And that's for me, that sums up life. Mary meet 820 00:45:58,200 --> 00:46:00,440 Speaker 1: Mary Part, Mary Meat again. I met Hall when I 821 00:46:00,440 --> 00:46:03,879 Speaker 1: was a teenager. We parted ways. I met him again 822 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:06,160 Speaker 1: when I was adult, an adult. We came together for 823 00:46:06,200 --> 00:46:10,440 Speaker 1: a full, fabulous relationship. You know. We parted in a 824 00:46:10,520 --> 00:46:14,839 Speaker 1: certain way when he took off the flip side, and 825 00:46:14,880 --> 00:46:18,120 Speaker 1: we will meet again. And that's true for everyone. So 826 00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,800 Speaker 1: I love that. It's just it's just so buoyant and happy, 827 00:46:20,840 --> 00:46:23,879 Speaker 1: and I like cheerful things. Marry Meat and Mary part 828 00:46:23,920 --> 00:46:26,440 Speaker 1: and marry meet again, and Sandra, I don't marry me 829 00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:30,719 Speaker 1: again with you, Mary Beth, I am sure that is 830 00:46:30,800 --> 00:46:36,520 Speaker 1: going to happen. Well, some announcements before we conclude the episode. Plus, 831 00:46:36,560 --> 00:46:38,480 Speaker 1: I want to just clue you in on where I 832 00:46:38,560 --> 00:46:41,360 Speaker 1: am since last week. As you know, just over a 833 00:46:41,440 --> 00:46:45,800 Speaker 1: week ago, my last boyfriend died. Yeah, we were together 834 00:46:46,400 --> 00:46:50,319 Speaker 1: better part of nine years and he tragically was in 835 00:46:50,360 --> 00:46:54,879 Speaker 1: a car accident. So been a tough time, but it's 836 00:46:54,920 --> 00:46:59,120 Speaker 1: been a lot better knowing about the afterlife using some 837 00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:02,000 Speaker 1: of the tools that Mary Beth just happened to talk about. 838 00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:05,279 Speaker 1: I talked to this guy Michael all the time. When 839 00:47:05,280 --> 00:47:08,479 Speaker 1: my mind gets quiet and I go into that sad mode, 840 00:47:08,560 --> 00:47:11,319 Speaker 1: I say, wait a minute, he's here. So I just 841 00:47:11,440 --> 00:47:15,960 Speaker 1: start talking usually in my mind, and just let there 842 00:47:16,040 --> 00:47:19,080 Speaker 1: be some quiet space, and they get filled with some 843 00:47:19,280 --> 00:47:23,360 Speaker 1: shared memories and almost like he's talking to me. You know. 844 00:47:23,920 --> 00:47:26,160 Speaker 1: I like it. I do like it. And of course 845 00:47:26,160 --> 00:47:29,600 Speaker 1: I had a wonderful reading with the medium Kath Shirley, 846 00:47:29,680 --> 00:47:35,200 Speaker 1: who brought through some exact evidence of his life and 847 00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:38,080 Speaker 1: some great words that he had for me that no 848 00:47:38,120 --> 00:47:42,200 Speaker 1: one else could possibly know. That's probably why this is 849 00:47:42,239 --> 00:47:44,640 Speaker 1: the episode today is just because I needed to hear 850 00:47:44,680 --> 00:47:47,880 Speaker 1: these words again. I'm interested in checking out and you 851 00:47:47,960 --> 00:47:52,640 Speaker 1: might be too, William Murray's blog, So Mary Beth said, 852 00:47:52,680 --> 00:47:56,640 Speaker 1: just search for William murray blog. Their Facebook group is 853 00:47:56,680 --> 00:48:01,400 Speaker 1: Love after Life and they have a weekly free zoom meeting. 854 00:48:02,000 --> 00:48:06,280 Speaker 1: And if you are someone who has your romantic partner 855 00:48:06,680 --> 00:48:11,160 Speaker 1: in the afterlife and want to continue that relationship, this 856 00:48:11,239 --> 00:48:16,520 Speaker 1: is the place for you. Also, dive straight into Leslie 857 00:48:16,600 --> 00:48:21,520 Speaker 1: Flint dot com. That's the medium who has over a 858 00:48:21,680 --> 00:48:27,719 Speaker 1: thousand hours recorded of these conversations about with people and 859 00:48:27,800 --> 00:48:32,239 Speaker 1: their deceased loved ones. Really it's mind blowing what you hear. 860 00:48:32,960 --> 00:48:38,320 Speaker 1: Look up the nags n A n j I Annie 861 00:48:38,440 --> 00:48:42,360 Speaker 1: Nangi is her name. And while you're there, if you 862 00:48:42,360 --> 00:48:45,320 Speaker 1: want to give a little donation to the Leslie Flint Trust, 863 00:48:45,400 --> 00:48:48,959 Speaker 1: you certainly can Leslie Flint dot com. Yeah, a bunch 864 00:48:48,960 --> 00:48:52,920 Speaker 1: of volunteers doing some very very hard work and a producer, 865 00:48:53,040 --> 00:48:56,920 Speaker 1: Tom wanted me to remind you that George Nori, the 866 00:48:56,960 --> 00:48:59,839 Speaker 1: Great George Nori from Coast to Coast AM is going 867 00:48:59,880 --> 00:49:03,840 Speaker 1: to be doing some live events and meet and greets 868 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:07,000 Speaker 1: with other speakers. So if you want to find out more, 869 00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,239 Speaker 1: where he's going to be. Just go to Coast to 870 00:49:09,320 --> 00:49:14,080 Speaker 1: Coast a m and click on events and as always, 871 00:49:14,239 --> 00:49:18,319 Speaker 1: our home base is we Don't Die dot com. You 872 00:49:18,480 --> 00:49:22,560 Speaker 1: can come to our free Sunday gathering complete with medium demonstration, 873 00:49:23,200 --> 00:49:27,160 Speaker 1: take a course and mediumship, or so much more. Join 874 00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:30,480 Speaker 1: our Facebook group of close to seven thousand people who 875 00:49:30,480 --> 00:49:34,040 Speaker 1: talk about life, death, the afterlife. Introduce yourself. There might 876 00:49:34,040 --> 00:49:37,319 Speaker 1: be somebody in your hometown. So I think that's all 877 00:49:37,360 --> 00:49:41,279 Speaker 1: I have for you today. Let me look at my brain. Yeah, 878 00:49:41,440 --> 00:49:44,600 Speaker 1: I just want to say, take care of yourself. Our 879 00:49:44,880 --> 00:49:48,400 Speaker 1: human mind wants to fight us and wants to convince 880 00:49:48,480 --> 00:49:52,560 Speaker 1: us that this afterlife business is all in our mind 881 00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:55,479 Speaker 1: and it's not real. Just remember that that's the same 882 00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:58,720 Speaker 1: little voice in the morning that tells you you're too old, 883 00:49:58,920 --> 00:50:02,880 Speaker 1: too ugly, too many great hairs, gives you fear, tells 884 00:50:02,880 --> 00:50:04,520 Speaker 1: you what you should have done, you could have done, 885 00:50:04,880 --> 00:50:08,359 Speaker 1: gives you guilt. Don't listen to that voice. It's not 886 00:50:08,440 --> 00:50:12,920 Speaker 1: telling you the truth. Take quiet times. It's in those 887 00:50:13,480 --> 00:50:18,600 Speaker 1: present moments where you can tap into your own spirituality, 888 00:50:19,040 --> 00:50:23,840 Speaker 1: your own soul's wisdom, and also your loved ones in 889 00:50:23,880 --> 00:50:28,120 Speaker 1: the afterlife. So with that, my friend, I Am Sanders Champlain. 890 00:50:28,560 --> 00:50:31,799 Speaker 1: Thank you for listening to Shades of the Afterlife on 891 00:50:31,880 --> 00:50:35,319 Speaker 1: the I Heart Radio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal 892 00:50:35,480 --> 00:50:45,400 Speaker 1: Podcast Network. Thanks for listening to the I Heart Radio 893 00:50:45,440 --> 00:50:48,279 Speaker 1: and Coast to Coast Day and Paranormal Podcast Network. Make 894 00:50:48,320 --> 00:50:50,640 Speaker 1: sure and check out all our shows on the I 895 00:50:50,760 --> 00:50:53,520 Speaker 1: Heart Radio app or by going to i heeart radio 896 00:50:53,960 --> 00:50:59,000 Speaker 1: dot com