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Speaker 1: Draft needs? What are they?

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Speaker 2: Welcome Bird Gang. On today's show, Paul Calvic joins me,

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Speaker 2: the calendar is about to flip to April, which means

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Speaker 2: the draft is right around the corner. So what do

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Speaker 2: the Cardinals need? What position should they target? Also, the

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Speaker 2: league is considering a handful of rule changes.

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Speaker 1: We give our thoughts.

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Speaker 2: It's Cardinals Cover two, Episode eight sixty five, and it

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Speaker 2: starts now.

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Speaker 3: Welcome to Cardinals Cover two.

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Speaker 1: Wooda Baker, What Heart? What rent? This guy's unbelievable.

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Speaker 3: Cardinals Cover two is presented by Hyundai, proud partner of

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Speaker 1: He's at the ten half of five.

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Speaker 2: He's it again some more hurry magic whow.

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Speaker 1: Here's Craigtreolo.

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Speaker 2: Two weeks from Thursday. Paul, I bet you have that

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Speaker 2: markdown on your calendar. If not, going to break a

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Speaker 2: little news here, because well, your Thursday, April twenty fourth

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Speaker 2: is booked, whether you know it or not. The official

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Speaker 2: release did not mention your name, but I'm going to

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Speaker 2: mention it anyway. The Cardinals official draft party watched the

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Speaker 2: first round at State Farm Stadium Thursday, April twenty fourth,

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Speaker 2: hosted by Yes, Paul Calvic conspicuously absence from the press release,

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Speaker 2: but we gotta make sure Cardinal fans come out and

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Speaker 2: say hi to Paul Well.

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Speaker 4: The key to the whole thing, Craig, is the four

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Speaker 4: letter F word. Free okay, free admission, free parking. That

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Speaker 4: is the key right there. And let me tell you,

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Speaker 4: each and every year, that whole Great Lawn area just improves.

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Speaker 4: It gets better and better. In fact, if you go

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Speaker 4: back to the Cardinals hosting the Rams Vikings playoff game

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Speaker 4: because of these so caw wildfires, and a lot of

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Speaker 4: fans who had never experienced that venue before showed up

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Speaker 4: wearing Vikings and Rams jerseys. And really they said two things.

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Speaker 1: Walking in.

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Speaker 4: Number one, they said, thank you anyone wearing a Cardinals

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Speaker 4: you know, gear of any sort in any official capacity,

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Speaker 4: those fans said, thank you, thank you for stepping in.

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Speaker 4: Thank you to Michael Bidwell and the Cardinals for hosting

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Speaker 4: and making this possible at State Farm Stadium. And then

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Speaker 4: the next thing they inevitably said was, Wow, this is

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Speaker 4: really cool. Do you guys open this up for every game?

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, yep, Great Lawn and then you have

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Speaker 4: and and I'm telling you, if you have not been

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Speaker 4: out to a draft party, it's a really cool way

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Speaker 4: to experience. You're not going to miss any of the

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Speaker 4: so you see all the NFL network coverage. But it's

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Speaker 4: how the Cardinals are able to embrace it and bring

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Speaker 4: the decision makers either up on stage or up on screen.

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Speaker 4: And I would say nine of the last ten years,

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Speaker 4: we're the first media entity, if you want to call

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Speaker 4: us that, of any sort to get the Cardinals first

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Speaker 4: So usually there's a cool moment like that.

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Speaker 2: And sometimes in the rare instance when the Cardinals do

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Speaker 2: because I thought that was a great give the before

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Speaker 1: Again, a lot of.

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Speaker 2: Draft talk here as we finish out the month of March,

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Speaker 2: but that day particular, because we're all waiting Cardinals on

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Speaker 4: So Cardinals are picking, if memory serves, twenty eighth, twenty ish,

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Speaker 4: I go, oh, oh, we got breaking news.

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Speaker 1: We got breaking news. Oh my gosh, Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: And I'm like, calm down, take a deep breath, all right,

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Speaker 4: to the producers in the ear Cardinals just traded for

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Speaker 5: Really, and he'll be here in a few minutes, Like

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Speaker 5: what what do you mean? Hollywood Brown's he's gonna be

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Speaker 5: It's again, you have no idea what to expect. They'll

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Speaker 5: be in addition to that, in addition to seeing Paul

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Speaker 5: Cardinals cheerleaders, Big Red all will be in attendance for

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Speaker 5: all ages, all Cardinals fans. Paul did mention yes, free admission,

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Speaker 5: free parking. We do ask that you get a digital

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Speaker 5: That's Azycardinals dot Com Forward Slash Draft Party, so they

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Speaker 5: can account for how many people are going to be

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Speaker 4: My other favorite recent moment was the year Kyler Murray

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Speaker 4: we have really notable alums that are up there, and

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Speaker 4: I was doing my whole stick and spiel about the

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Speaker 4: and Kyler Murray and Jake, actually you kind of you

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Speaker 4: got a little uppity. And he walked over and he

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Speaker 4: grabbed my mic. What do you mean? He said, that

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Speaker 4: had a point, Jake, did it have the wheels? Did

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Speaker 4: there is some truth in what you're saying.

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Speaker 2: Yes, the dual threats of a quarterback, Jake Plumber, which

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Speaker 2: Good reminder that, yes, once upon a time, he wasn't

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Speaker 4: And even Jacoby Brissett, if you look at last year,

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Speaker 2: And that move answered a question this offseason as far

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Speaker 2: see if Clayton Tone can do what he did a

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Speaker 2: year ago. In the offseason, you bring in Desmond Ridder. Oh,

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Speaker 2: I think they are a great tool and they give

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Speaker 2: you give you some familiarity with some of the names

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Speaker 2: At sixteen, forty seven, seventy eight, one fifteen, one fifty two,

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Speaker 2: With those six picks, Pauls, you're looking for just specific

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Speaker 2: no problem. I would go with an offensive lineman, defensive alignment.

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Speaker 4: You know I've come around on cornerback Will Johnson, for example,

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Speaker 4: So as much as I do believe in building from

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Speaker 1: As loaded as this draft.

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Speaker 4: sixteen overall. Now, receiver not so much. I know a

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Speaker 4: few of the mocks have the Cardinals even trading down

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Speaker 4: another receiver. I don't necessarily see that happening, not with

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Speaker 4: then maybe, just maybe, because I'm not dismissing the Cardinals

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Speaker 4: need for wide receiver two, I'm not saying it isn't

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Speaker 4: not a one. I do believe it's a need. Could

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Speaker 4: it be Michael Wilson. Could it be Zay Jones with

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Speaker 4: could it be a free agent Marie Cooper? Obviously his

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Speaker 4: Osciborr and Johnathangan to look at this roster they'd love

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Speaker 4: wide receiver two. I just don't see it coming in

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Speaker 4: I'm just not sure I'm seeing this group of decision

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Speaker 2: Not in the first round, because I'm in agreement with

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Speaker 4: I mean, I've said this before, but the league leader

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Speaker 4: But it's all about affecting the quarterback and with that

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Speaker 4: what they did. They broke an eight year playoff drought

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Speaker 2: Kenneth Grant James Pierce have been the two players I've

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Speaker 2: seen mocked most of the Cardinals with that sixteenth overall pick.

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Speaker 2: I know Bucky Brooks and his three points. Had Walter Nolan,

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Speaker 2: But if you can get a six three to two

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Speaker 2: Some one that again you look at the production, love

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Speaker 2: does that matter any when you're looking and trying to

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Speaker 1: And the front office person.

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Speaker 2: I'll figure out, all right, do you want the production

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Speaker 4: You know the old saying, if you can play, they'll

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Speaker 4: find you. You will play in the league. That almost

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Speaker 4: it's interesting because he stayed at Marshall. Now grey 's Abel,

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Speaker 4: he checked all those boxes. Mike Green, hmm, okay. I

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Speaker 4: can't say I've seen my share of Marshall football, but

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Speaker 4: So this is where you trust your front office, you

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Speaker 4: what do you have here? But just the fact he

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Speaker 2: I've not seen a lot of Marshall film either or

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Speaker 1: Again, how do you do one on one?

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Speaker 2: Now, this game is not one on one, it's eleven

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Speaker 4: And look at how different like the career is. You

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Speaker 4: You got to assess that versus a Mike Green who

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Speaker 4: too long ago here in this whole draft process, you

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Speaker 4: Are the teams with really astute front offices. This is

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Speaker 1: In this year's draft.

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Speaker 2: Starters Nott is what we heard in Indianapolis at the

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Speaker 4: In fact, here's the quote from Field Yates. I don't

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Speaker 2: I mentioned Matt Miller and his seven round mock Mike Green.

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Speaker 4: a problem during his career quote end quote. So that

435
00:21:57,119 --> 00:22:00,359
Speaker 4: gives me a pause right there. I mean to go too.

436
00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:03,560
Speaker 4: As a receiver, you better have natural hands and let's

437
00:22:04,359 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 4: you can't help. But think Andy is about I was just.

438
00:22:06,000 --> 00:22:07,879
Speaker 2: Gonna bring up but sinking the same thing all of

439
00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:09,920
Speaker 2: a sudden, it's like, yeah, you got the speed, yep,

440
00:22:10,000 --> 00:22:11,800
Speaker 2: but can you catch the ball, because if you can't

441
00:22:11,840 --> 00:22:14,280
Speaker 2: catch the ball, the speed means absolutely nothing.

442
00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:17,479
Speaker 4: Absolutely and uh. He was never a natural pass catcher.

443
00:22:17,520 --> 00:22:20,840
Speaker 4: He battled the football quite a bit. And you know

444
00:22:21,000 --> 00:22:24,880
Speaker 4: a guy who wasn't quite five ten winning one ninety four.

445
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 4: It's sort of that same body type. You know, I'd

446
00:22:28,000 --> 00:22:30,760
Speaker 4: be surprised, especially since what we've noticed, Craig, We've noticed

447
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:34,240
Speaker 4: a couple of things about about JG and maniassa ward

448
00:22:34,280 --> 00:22:37,640
Speaker 4: draft picks. Number one, you better be deadly serious about

449
00:22:37,640 --> 00:22:39,920
Speaker 4: the game of football, and number two, it's a big

450
00:22:39,960 --> 00:22:42,760
Speaker 4: man's game. Win in doubt, they're going to take the

451
00:22:42,840 --> 00:22:46,439
Speaker 4: bigger player. So in this kid, it's not a surprise

452
00:22:46,480 --> 00:22:49,560
Speaker 4: to me that they replace Zach Pascal with another big

453
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:52,679
Speaker 4: receiver who can play special teams in the offseason. Simmi

454
00:22:52,720 --> 00:22:55,840
Speaker 4: Fojoko correct, Yes, and so a guy who's six' four

455
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:59,560
Speaker 4: Like Puka nakua. Size so it's not surprising that they

456
00:22:59,600 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 4: went that. Route and, if if indeed they're gonna go

457
00:23:03,320 --> 00:23:06,560
Speaker 4: with a five to ten Guy buck ninety, four he'd

458
00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:07,600
Speaker 4: better be lightning in a.

459
00:23:07,600 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 2: Bottle speaking of a big man's, Game Charles davis his

460
00:23:12,160 --> 00:23:18,080
Speaker 2: second mock, Draft Kelvin, banks offensive tackle out Of, texas six,'

461
00:23:18,240 --> 00:23:23,960
Speaker 2: five three. Point fifteen and that is a. Big boy

462
00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,800
Speaker 2: and the interesting thing here is can he be? That,

463
00:23:27,920 --> 00:23:30,200
Speaker 2: guy yes he is an, offensive tackle but how many

464
00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,119
Speaker 2: times have we talked about these college prospects on the

465
00:23:33,160 --> 00:23:36,159
Speaker 2: line of scrimmage that initially maybe in order to get

466
00:23:36,200 --> 00:23:38,240
Speaker 2: him on, the field or to kind of get a

467
00:23:38,240 --> 00:23:41,000
Speaker 2: little bit of experience you play. Him INSIDE now i

468
00:23:41,000 --> 00:23:45,199
Speaker 2: don't Know if banks has any inside. Past experience but

469
00:23:45,600 --> 00:23:49,119
Speaker 2: again we talk about questions and questions that still need to,

470
00:23:49,119 --> 00:23:52,800
Speaker 2: be answered at least on our from, our perspective is

471
00:23:52,960 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 2: who's playing? Right guard and is there someone that can

472
00:23:58,119 --> 00:24:01,600
Speaker 2: be pigeonholed? IN between i yelled To froh holtz And

473
00:24:01,640 --> 00:24:04,879
Speaker 2: A johah Williams Or kelvin beacham depending on Whose healthiest,

474
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:08,960
Speaker 2: Week one but that right, guard position is that player

475
00:24:09,160 --> 00:24:11,720
Speaker 2: already on the roster or is it? Open competition but

476
00:24:11,760 --> 00:24:14,959
Speaker 2: if you do invest a first round draft pick in,

477
00:24:15,240 --> 00:24:17,800
Speaker 2: a guard especially, AT sixteen, I mean i don't think

478
00:24:17,840 --> 00:24:20,240
Speaker 2: that's going too out on, a limb especially if You

479
00:24:20,280 --> 00:24:24,159
Speaker 2: Project kevin banks or someone else to. Kick outside because

480
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:28,680
Speaker 2: in twenty, Twenty Six kelvin beachum, FREE. Agent johna williams,

481
00:24:28,840 --> 00:24:30,840
Speaker 2: Free agent you're gonna have a hole on the right

482
00:24:30,920 --> 00:24:33,120
Speaker 2: side of your. Offensive line and if.

483
00:24:33,040 --> 00:24:36,320
Speaker 4: You believe that general managers work a year ahead, of

484
00:24:36,359 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 4: time and there's a lot of truth, to that then

485
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:42,280
Speaker 4: this would make a lot. Of sense and the more

486
00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:45,600
Speaker 4: you Look At kelvin banks junior Out. Of texas THE more,

487
00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:49,479
Speaker 4: I like i Mean Freshman, all american walked in as a,

488
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:54,320
Speaker 4: true freshman started all thirteen games at, Left tackle Second

489
00:24:54,359 --> 00:24:57,359
Speaker 4: Team All big Twelve year number two is, A sophomore

490
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:01,120
Speaker 4: First Team All big twelve started all four fourteen games at,

491
00:25:01,200 --> 00:25:04,760
Speaker 4: left tackle and then last year FIRST Team Ap, All

492
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:09,159
Speaker 4: American First TEAM all sec Won The lombardi award as

493
00:25:09,160 --> 00:25:13,480
Speaker 4: a nation's top. Offensive, lineman so and what's interesting IS

494
00:25:13,920 --> 00:25:17,800
Speaker 4: on Nfl, dot COM an afc area scout is quoted anonymously,

495
00:25:17,880 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 4: as SAYING and, I quote i wrote him up as

496
00:25:19,840 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 4: a guard. For us the game he had as a

497
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:24,639
Speaker 4: Freshman Against will anderson was maybe the best game of.

498
00:25:24,640 --> 00:25:27,560
Speaker 4: His career let that hang in the air a. LITTLE bit,

499
00:25:27,600 --> 00:25:30,439
Speaker 4: i know a number of scouts or maybe a little

500
00:25:30,560 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 4: underwhelmed this year by his final year in. College ball

501
00:25:34,160 --> 00:25:36,439
Speaker 4: he wouldn't be the first guy to kill it his

502
00:25:36,480 --> 00:25:40,160
Speaker 4: first couple, of years right to be all world and, then,

503
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:42,960
Speaker 4: realize okay you, know what, m yeah put it in

504
00:25:42,960 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 4: a cruise control a, little bit a. Little BIT so

505
00:25:45,440 --> 00:25:47,560
Speaker 4: i like. THIS though i like the, concept, of, hey

506
00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 4: man he comes in and he's going to be a

507
00:25:49,320 --> 00:25:52,480
Speaker 4: starting guard, day one Just Like Paris johnson junior was

508
00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:55,440
Speaker 4: your starting right tackle the moment his card was submitted

509
00:25:55,720 --> 00:25:58,880
Speaker 4: AT The. Nfl draft so if indeed it's his job

510
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:02,240
Speaker 4: to lose as right guard and then he's your right

511
00:26:02,280 --> 00:26:06,359
Speaker 4: tackle effective twenty twenty six, and beyond that makes a

512
00:26:06,400 --> 00:26:10,200
Speaker 4: lot of sense that scenario immediate returns this year as

513
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 4: a first. Round pick you like, To, think okay every

514
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,560
Speaker 4: first round pick is going to be a difference maker their,

515
00:26:14,680 --> 00:26:17,960
Speaker 4: rookie season and then all of a sudden he, you

516
00:26:18,000 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 4: know he figures into your Future With Paris johnson junior

517
00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,600
Speaker 4: over the next decade. OR so i, like THAT and

518
00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:27,320
Speaker 4: i could easily see that being the Thinking by manteo.

519
00:26:27,400 --> 00:26:30,320
Speaker 2: Supporting company Here's What charles davis Wrote About Covin. Banks

520
00:26:30,400 --> 00:26:33,560
Speaker 2: Junior the cardinals love playing. Power football they need to

521
00:26:33,640 --> 00:26:36,320
Speaker 2: keep FORTIFYING their o line to give Running Back james

522
00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,000
Speaker 2: connor a runway to. The secondary and go back to

523
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,600
Speaker 2: what we talk About what drew petsing. His offense it's,

524
00:26:44,680 --> 00:26:48,399
Speaker 2: run first it's not. Pass first can you move? The

525
00:26:48,440 --> 00:26:51,200
Speaker 2: football how do you best move the football those five

526
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:54,040
Speaker 2: guys up front plus your. Tight end so it does

527
00:26:54,119 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 2: make sense that again going back to our original conversation

528
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:01,680
Speaker 2: about the cornerback position at sixteen unless that guy is a.

529
00:27:01,720 --> 00:27:05,320
Speaker 2: SHUTDOWN corner i keep coming back To What rob frederickson

530
00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:08,639
Speaker 2: said several, weeks ago maybe several months ago On The Red.

531
00:27:08,720 --> 00:27:11,920
Speaker 2: Sea report i'm not drafting anyone that doesn't have their

532
00:27:11,920 --> 00:27:13,919
Speaker 2: hand in the dirt with that first round pick and

533
00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 2: maybe even with their second round pick because of the

534
00:27:16,840 --> 00:27:18,560
Speaker 2: value of the line. Of scrimmage what we saw in

535
00:27:18,600 --> 00:27:21,280
Speaker 2: the postseason and then what we've Seen From Manti austin

536
00:27:21,320 --> 00:27:25,920
Speaker 2: ford and this. Coaching staff they value that point of.

537
00:27:25,960 --> 00:27:29,159
Speaker 2: The game you win or lose at the line. Of

538
00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,320
Speaker 2: scrimmage here's the Other point i'll make you know what

539
00:27:31,359 --> 00:27:35,560
Speaker 2: we have Not Seen. Jonah williams he did not finish

540
00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:41,200
Speaker 2: the year due. To injury how severe was? The injury

541
00:27:41,359 --> 00:27:44,639
Speaker 2: everyone figures and counts on him. Being back is he

542
00:27:44,680 --> 00:27:47,399
Speaker 2: ready to go day one or? Training camp how does?

543
00:27:47,480 --> 00:27:51,600
Speaker 2: Offseason go how much did the injury kirktail his? Strength

544
00:27:51,640 --> 00:27:55,000
Speaker 2: training is he gonna need a little extra time to

545
00:27:55,240 --> 00:27:56,520
Speaker 2: ramp things up at.

546
00:27:56,680 --> 00:28:00,000
Speaker 4: Right tackle we. Don't know those are genuine honest questions.

547
00:28:00,240 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 4: Right there but if, you said you, know, What uh

548
00:28:03,280 --> 00:28:06,840
Speaker 4: we've got a first team Ap all american selected. Number,

549
00:28:06,880 --> 00:28:11,639
Speaker 4: sixteen overall that's that's a pretty good, safety plan, you

550
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:13,000
Speaker 4: know security blanket.

551
00:28:12,720 --> 00:28:13,800
Speaker 1: Out there right tackle.

552
00:28:13,920 --> 00:28:17,160
Speaker 4: If needed, if not we're going to stuff him inside

553
00:28:17,200 --> 00:28:20,080
Speaker 4: and he's going to compete With An Isaiah Adams evan

554
00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:22,960
Speaker 4: brown to be one of the. Starting guards then uh

555
00:28:23,040 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 4: okay to me that that really on your, depth chart,

556
00:28:26,520 --> 00:28:28,479
Speaker 4: you know on the WALL the gm that would make

557
00:28:28,480 --> 00:28:30,120
Speaker 4: a lot. Of Sense and i'm guessing he would sleep

558
00:28:30,160 --> 00:28:32,920
Speaker 4: a lot better at night Knowing If jonah williams might

559
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:36,040
Speaker 4: need a little extra ramp up time, this year, then

560
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,439
Speaker 4: boom you're good to go at.

561
00:28:37,520 --> 00:28:38,880
Speaker 1: RIGHT tackle i thought you were talking.

562
00:28:38,680 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 2: About my depth CHART that i have at home up

563
00:28:40,640 --> 00:28:42,960
Speaker 2: on BOARD as i, you know put in again all,

564
00:28:43,080 --> 00:28:45,440
Speaker 2: in PENCIL but i write some names and then take some.

565
00:28:45,560 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 4: Names off so, you're Saying Like darren urban's son in

566
00:28:49,640 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 4: his brand new house has all the brackets up on.

567
00:28:51,840 --> 00:28:54,400
Speaker 4: The wall you've got a permanent. Depth chart the wife

568
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,600
Speaker 4: let you paint up on the wall If.

569
00:28:56,520 --> 00:28:59,680
Speaker 2: You if you happen to walk the halls here at

570
00:28:59,680 --> 00:29:02,560
Speaker 2: The The Health Arizona Cardinals, training center just happened to

571
00:29:02,640 --> 00:29:05,040
Speaker 2: like peek into one of the. Coaches rooms they all

572
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:07,400
Speaker 2: have these they all they all have the not the,

573
00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:10,080
Speaker 2: chalkboards anymore but they all the the white boards, or

574
00:29:10,080 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 2: whatever and they all have their own little depth chart.

575
00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:13,920
Speaker 1: Or whatever so it's not it's not it's not.

576
00:29:14,360 --> 00:29:17,360
Speaker 2: ROCKET science, i mean you can go to your local

577
00:29:17,560 --> 00:29:19,840
Speaker 2: stationary store and buy some stuff and then put. It

578
00:29:19,880 --> 00:29:21,840
Speaker 2: together it's it's not that big. A deal it's the business, Of.

579
00:29:21,840 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 2: Football craig that's the way. IT works, i mean look

580
00:29:23,560 --> 00:29:25,880
Speaker 2: at the, Last, Scene Billy bob Thornton And Friday. Night

581
00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:27,840
Speaker 2: lights who's with me. On this the last scene is

582
00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:30,520
Speaker 2: sticking high school football and he's got all the players

583
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 2: names of the little magnetized cards and. The seniors he

584
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:34,440
Speaker 2: takes them throws them right in.

585
00:29:34,480 --> 00:29:34,560
Speaker 3: The.

586
00:29:34,600 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 4: Trash, DONE done, i mean just the epitome, of. Replaceable

587
00:29:39,480 --> 00:29:43,200
Speaker 4: replaceable you slide the next, name tag, you know magnetized

588
00:29:43,240 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 4: card up in the.

589
00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,040
Speaker 1: Depth chart that's the way.

590
00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:47,920
Speaker 2: It, works, well then Manti, acin fort you were there,

591
00:29:48,240 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 2: the STORY and i keep repeating this, Story, over nigga it's.

592
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: Your story but what DOES the gm tell everyone at

593
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: the end of. The season my job is to find

594
00:29:57,280 --> 00:30:01,200
Speaker 2: someone better. Than you that's life and Then itional football league.

595
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:03,480
Speaker 4: And that is his JOB EVERY, nfl gm and there's

596
00:30:03,520 --> 00:30:05,200
Speaker 4: only thirty two, of them but they all have the same.

597
00:30:05,280 --> 00:30:08,800
Speaker 4: Job description try and replace every existing player on, the

598
00:30:08,920 --> 00:30:13,200
Speaker 4: roster try and upgrade at. Every position that's what. They're

599
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:17,760
Speaker 4: doing and so when a rookie finishes his first year in,

600
00:30:17,760 --> 00:30:20,400
Speaker 4: the league and even if they started every single game

601
00:30:20,440 --> 00:30:24,280
Speaker 4: and they're feeling pretty pretty good about their, football future

602
00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,000
Speaker 4: nothing sends a message LIKE the gm standing in front

603
00:30:27,040 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 4: of those rookies a day after the regular season ends

604
00:30:29,160 --> 00:30:32,640
Speaker 4: and letting, them know don't think about resting on. Your

605
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:35,760
Speaker 4: laurels don't think you've, made it and you're guaranteed a

606
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,040
Speaker 4: decade long career in the league because my job and

607
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:42,040
Speaker 4: the STAFF that i, have upstairs we're working hard to

608
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 4: replace every one. Of you and it Starts, On thursday april,

609
00:30:47,560 --> 00:30:50,480
Speaker 4: twenty fourth, first round and if you want to be

610
00:30:50,680 --> 00:30:53,120
Speaker 4: involved in it And watch paul do, his thing the

611
00:30:53,160 --> 00:30:55,600
Speaker 4: first Round At State farm stadium On The great lawn

612
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:59,440
Speaker 4: four to Nine, On thursday april. Twenty fourth admission is

613
00:30:59,440 --> 00:31:02,360
Speaker 4: free park and. It's free digital tickets. Are required just

614
00:31:02,440 --> 00:31:05,800
Speaker 4: Go to azycardinals dot Com Forward slash. Draft party you

615
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:11,120
Speaker 4: Can see paul in action and here no, correct look

616
00:31:11,280 --> 00:31:13,560
Speaker 4: you're Gonna see you're barely gonna see ME because Pauli

617
00:31:13,600 --> 00:31:15,640
Speaker 4: pencil neck will be up on Stage and i'll probably

618
00:31:15,640 --> 00:31:17,840
Speaker 4: be standing next to some alum or current player or

619
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 4: coach who will tower. Over me but, once again the

620
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:23,760
Speaker 4: game plan is the same. As always just get, the

621
00:31:23,800 --> 00:31:26,760
Speaker 4: ball get the microphone to. The playmakers THAT'S what i do.

622
00:31:26,840 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 4: Up there that's who the fans come, to see and

623
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:29,160
Speaker 4: that's who they want to.

624
00:31:29,200 --> 00:31:31,840
Speaker 2: Hear, from oh don't sell yourself so, short There paul

625
00:31:31,880 --> 00:31:35,360
Speaker 2: it's it's always a fun atmosphere On The great Line

626
00:31:35,360 --> 00:31:38,800
Speaker 2: At State. Farm stadiums, but again that is in three Weeks.

627
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:42,600
Speaker 2: From thursday as we speak here On, this monday the

628
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:46,520
Speaker 2: final Day, of march the annual league meeting is. Taking

629
00:31:46,560 --> 00:31:49,360
Speaker 2: place and before we close up shop Here on cardinals

630
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:53,080
Speaker 2: cover too some, real changes some proposed, rule changes and.

631
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:56,400
Speaker 2: Some tweaks anything that stands out, To, you paulie are

632
00:31:56,440 --> 00:32:01,040
Speaker 2: you gonna ban the? Brotherly SHOVE which i was reading

633
00:32:01,040 --> 00:32:04,240
Speaker 2: a whole bunch of stuff, earlier today and the variance

634
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,840
Speaker 2: of opinions, ON this i just think if you're going

635
00:32:07,920 --> 00:32:10,720
Speaker 2: to ban the, brotherly shove then you just should ban

636
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:14,560
Speaker 2: all shoves of any player with a football anywhere on the. Football,

637
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,479
Speaker 2: Field sorry, trey McBride you don't get that touchdown when

638
00:32:17,600 --> 00:32:20,120
Speaker 2: the entire pile pushed you ten yards into the. End

639
00:32:20,200 --> 00:32:23,400
Speaker 2: zone if you can, push downfield why couldn't you push

640
00:32:23,480 --> 00:32:23,880
Speaker 2: at the line?

641
00:32:23,920 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 4: Of? Scrimmage yeah and you know what that is the,

642
00:32:26,520 --> 00:32:29,680
Speaker 4: counter argument it. Really is, you know LOOK what i

643
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,000
Speaker 4: like to see the tush. PUSH band I would if

644
00:32:33,000 --> 00:32:35,320
Speaker 4: you can't pull a, player forward then you can't push.

645
00:32:35,360 --> 00:32:37,520
Speaker 1: Them, forward however.

646
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,760
Speaker 4: The whole concept of, guess what a player's still on,

647
00:32:41,840 --> 00:32:45,600
Speaker 4: his feet his legs are, still churning he's moving, the

648
00:32:45,640 --> 00:32:48,400
Speaker 4: pile and now he gets some help from, his friends

649
00:32:48,640 --> 00:32:51,560
Speaker 4: namely three hundred plus pound offensive lineman with a head

650
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 4: of steam. Behind him that is going to be tough.

651
00:32:55,560 --> 00:32:57,840
Speaker 4: TO officiate, i mean what are they going to? Do

652
00:32:57,880 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 4: automatically just blow the whistle once you get help, from, one?

653
00:33:01,920 --> 00:33:03,840
Speaker 4: Two three where do you draw? The line as you,

654
00:33:03,840 --> 00:33:06,680
Speaker 4: know what if a guy's come in to try and

655
00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,960
Speaker 4: block and pave the way For A james connor who

656
00:33:11,360 --> 00:33:13,680
Speaker 4: might have had his forward progress stop for, a moment

657
00:33:14,120 --> 00:33:17,040
Speaker 4: but he hasn't been brought. Down yet his legs are,

658
00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,000
Speaker 4: Still churning so that that can. BE tough, I mean

659
00:33:20,040 --> 00:33:23,800
Speaker 4: i think maybe you start with just line of scrimmage upon,

660
00:33:23,880 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 4: the snap and that's how they are talking.

661
00:33:26,240 --> 00:33:28,760
Speaker 2: About it it's all how, it's written pushing a team meet

662
00:33:28,920 --> 00:33:31,720
Speaker 2: immediately at the snap of, the football at the line

663
00:33:31,760 --> 00:33:34,920
Speaker 2: of scrimmage within, you know a yard. Or two this

664
00:33:35,040 --> 00:33:36,920
Speaker 2: has nothing to do. With downfield so but that would

665
00:33:36,960 --> 00:33:40,200
Speaker 2: be my, counter argument like you're allowing, it DOWNFIELD and

666
00:33:40,240 --> 00:33:43,240
Speaker 2: i understand, safety concerns but Everything that i've read that

667
00:33:43,280 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 2: there's no there's no there's no stats.

668
00:33:46,840 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: Or anything there are no numbers, that, say yes this

669
00:33:49,200 --> 00:33:49,440
Speaker 1: is a.

670
00:33:49,560 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 4: Dangerous play, and look it, is, remarkable honestly a knock

671
00:33:53,960 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 4: on wood that there aren't any. More injuries it is

672
00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:58,200
Speaker 4: remarkable that they really can't come up come up with

673
00:33:58,200 --> 00:34:00,880
Speaker 4: the data to prove that there's a higher injury Rabios

674
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:04,320
Speaker 4: when i'm sidelined. WATCHING them, i mean there is nothing

675
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:08,200
Speaker 4: that epitomizes the brutality of football like. The toushbush i'd

676
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 4: be able. To remember It was december of, Twenty three

677
00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 4: cardinals Went, to philadelphia the big second, half comeback they get.

678
00:34:14,200 --> 00:34:16,360
Speaker 4: The win, you know it was third and one And

679
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,200
Speaker 4: there's jalen Hurts And nick siriani calls for the brotherly

680
00:34:19,280 --> 00:34:22,239
Speaker 4: shove and New again cardinals. Stuffed it they stimiated it

681
00:34:22,280 --> 00:34:23,840
Speaker 4: on the, third one but then they lined up and

682
00:34:23,880 --> 00:34:25,960
Speaker 4: did it again and they got the first down on.

683
00:34:26,120 --> 00:34:29,680
Speaker 4: Fourth down it is remarkable there aren't more injuries. ON

684
00:34:29,719 --> 00:34:32,000
Speaker 4: that i remember having the Discussion With josh dobbs two,

685
00:34:32,040 --> 00:34:35,000
Speaker 4: seasons ago and, he, said, oh yeah once you snap

686
00:34:35,080 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 4: the ball and you, stoke it it's like being a

687
00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:40,399
Speaker 4: surfer in the middle of a. Big wave you were

688
00:34:40,480 --> 00:34:43,200
Speaker 4: off your feet and you were getting taken for, a ride.

689
00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:46,560
Speaker 4: You know, he said there was literally one Where the cardinals,

690
00:34:46,560 --> 00:34:49,680
Speaker 4: did it and he's off his feet and now he's

691
00:34:49,719 --> 00:34:52,680
Speaker 4: basically just a projectile and he's looking at the chains

692
00:34:52,719 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 4: to see if he's actually past the first down, marker

693
00:34:55,440 --> 00:34:58,520
Speaker 4: yet because he's it's not just a football that's, the object.

694
00:34:58,560 --> 00:35:02,520
Speaker 4: It's him and so but, ONCE again i just and

695
00:35:02,560 --> 00:35:04,920
Speaker 4: here's the other thing About, the eagles and, they, claim,

696
00:35:04,960 --> 00:35:07,880
Speaker 4: well look it's. Not automatic we were thirty nine to,

697
00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:11,480
Speaker 4: forty eight so it's. Not automatic it's a really good.

698
00:35:11,520 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 4: Success rate but guess what other teams have not replicated that,

699
00:35:15,280 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 4: success rate Namely the bills in. The postseason we, saw

700
00:35:19,680 --> 00:35:23,520
Speaker 4: that so guess what are other teams trying to? Ban

701
00:35:23,640 --> 00:35:26,360
Speaker 4: it Because the eagles are so good? At it and

702
00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,359
Speaker 4: then there is a legitimate discussion, AROUND that, i believe and.

703
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 2: How many teams have a quarterback that can squat what

704
00:35:31,960 --> 00:35:34,640
Speaker 2: five hundred and six hundred Pounds Because jalen hurts has,

705
00:35:34,680 --> 00:35:37,360
Speaker 2: the ability has his strength to. Do it but to,

706
00:35:37,400 --> 00:35:40,080
Speaker 2: your point because they're so successful and now you're gonna,

707
00:35:40,120 --> 00:35:44,320
Speaker 2: ban it that that flies in the face, of competitions

708
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:45,120
Speaker 2: like you're better.

709
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:46,880
Speaker 4: Than it soil you can't, Do it and that Was

710
00:35:46,880 --> 00:35:49,399
Speaker 4: A nick sirianni, Remark, WAS oh i take that, all

711
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:51,840
Speaker 4: personal as if anyone can run this with. Such, success

712
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 4: no we work hard on it, in, practice man and

713
00:35:55,360 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 4: we're able to. Perfect it guess what until somebody matches

714
00:35:59,680 --> 00:36:02,320
Speaker 4: our six, Success, right, well yeah it's a, competitive advantage

715
00:36:02,320 --> 00:36:03,040
Speaker 4: but it's because we.

716
00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:06,840
Speaker 2: Practice it it's not like other teams aren't forbidden to,

717
00:36:06,920 --> 00:36:09,520
Speaker 2: do it they just don't do it. As well some

718
00:36:09,640 --> 00:36:14,680
Speaker 2: other things playoff overtime rules in the regular season and

719
00:36:14,800 --> 00:36:17,120
Speaker 2: a fifteen minute period as opposed to what is now

720
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 2: a ten minute period and each team getting.

721
00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:22,680
Speaker 4: A possession i would vote FOR that i, really would because,

722
00:36:22,680 --> 00:36:25,399
Speaker 4: to me it's all about getting. It right IT'S why

723
00:36:25,400 --> 00:36:29,120
Speaker 4: i don't. Mind replay get. It right there's nothing as

724
00:36:29,160 --> 00:36:33,680
Speaker 4: important as determining the. Winner, legitimately okay get, it right no.

725
00:36:33,840 --> 00:36:37,239
Speaker 4: Bad calls and in terms, of this it's still a

726
00:36:37,280 --> 00:36:40,359
Speaker 4: bad scenario, to me where, you know if you don't

727
00:36:40,760 --> 00:36:43,279
Speaker 4: both teams aren't able to touch the ball because under

728
00:36:43,320 --> 00:36:46,160
Speaker 4: the current regular season, overtime rules if you win the

729
00:36:46,200 --> 00:36:49,720
Speaker 4: toss and score, a touchdown game. Over correct, SO yes,

730
00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:51,919
Speaker 4: I Know, ron willfley there's two sides of. The game

731
00:36:51,960 --> 00:36:55,200
Speaker 4: you got to. PLAY defense i. Get it but in

732
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,400
Speaker 4: today's world WHERE the nfl caters do the offenses with

733
00:36:58,480 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 4: all the other, rule changes, TO me i would like

734
00:37:00,600 --> 00:37:03,000
Speaker 4: to see the playoff overtime rules be instituted in the.

735
00:37:03,000 --> 00:37:06,560
Speaker 2: Regular season here's Something else i'd like to see eliminating

736
00:37:06,600 --> 00:37:10,680
Speaker 2: the automatic first down as far as the five yard

737
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,200
Speaker 2: defensive holding and illegal, contact penalties because now all of,

738
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: a sudden it's first, excuse me no to, make it

739
00:37:17,680 --> 00:37:20,960
Speaker 2: it's third and twenty three and you have a. Defensive,

740
00:37:20,960 --> 00:37:24,799
Speaker 2: holding well it's a five yard penalty and an automatic. First, down, no, no,

741
00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:27,600
Speaker 2: no, NO okay i don't you can't. Have it you can't

742
00:37:27,640 --> 00:37:28,160
Speaker 2: have it both.

743
00:37:28,160 --> 00:37:30,279
Speaker 4: Ways here but we're both old enough to remember when

744
00:37:30,280 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 4: this was not, a rule and what happened on third and? Twenty,

745
00:37:32,600 --> 00:37:36,359
Speaker 4: three oh receiver gets tracked to the ground, because yeah,

746
00:37:36,400 --> 00:37:38,880
Speaker 4: guess what it's only a five or ten. Yard penalty

747
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:41,960
Speaker 4: why not if it's going to be a, certain catch,

748
00:37:42,400 --> 00:37:44,600
Speaker 4: you know and you're running the risk of the, First,

749
00:37:44,640 --> 00:37:47,560
Speaker 4: DOWN oh i might as well commit. The penalty so

750
00:37:47,920 --> 00:37:49,640
Speaker 4: the ONLY thing i don't like about that is it

751
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:53,000
Speaker 4: could be an absolute free FOR all usc fight on

752
00:37:53,120 --> 00:37:56,239
Speaker 4: third down BECAUSE the dbs don't have to worry about

753
00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:56,760
Speaker 4: an automatic.

754
00:37:56,760 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: First down now don't you? See?

755
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,440
Speaker 2: That, though now on pass, interference penalties if you know

756
00:38:00,520 --> 00:38:03,240
Speaker 2: you're going to, get beat you commit the, penalty anyway

757
00:38:03,239 --> 00:38:03,800
Speaker 2: even though it's a.

758
00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:06,080
Speaker 4: Spot foul but usually it's A am i going to

759
00:38:06,120 --> 00:38:09,399
Speaker 4: get beat for? A? Touchdown true? You know so that

760
00:38:09,960 --> 00:38:13,520
Speaker 4: minimizes the. Occurrence rate in, THIS case i fear it

761
00:38:13,520 --> 00:38:17,440
Speaker 4: would happen. With regularity just if a first down is

762
00:38:17,840 --> 00:38:20,600
Speaker 4: about to, be achieved then why not just go ahead

763
00:38:20,640 --> 00:38:21,000
Speaker 4: and mug?

764
00:38:21,080 --> 00:38:22,080
Speaker 1: The receiver so.

765
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:25,120
Speaker 2: Third, and, thirteen okay so you commit, The penalty so

766
00:38:25,200 --> 00:38:27,520
Speaker 2: now it's not an automatic, first down but it's third

767
00:38:27,520 --> 00:38:29,880
Speaker 2: and eight and we're keeping. Doing this at some, point

768
00:38:30,080 --> 00:38:32,080
Speaker 2: defensively you're gonna have to play a.

769
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:36,360
Speaker 4: Little defense, You know you're you're gonna, end up, you

770
00:38:36,400 --> 00:38:40,239
Speaker 4: know with, more penalties, you know than a hockey enforcer.

771
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:45,240
Speaker 4: Out there so that's just my recollection as the world

772
00:38:45,280 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 4: THAT the nfl was before this current rule, was instituted

773
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:51,560
Speaker 4: and so that is my big fear if.

774
00:38:51,560 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: They eliminated the.

775
00:38:53,080 --> 00:38:56,680
Speaker 2: Other thing that's garnering a lot of attention is changing,

776
00:38:56,880 --> 00:38:59,560
Speaker 2: or amending as they like, to say the current playoff.

777
00:38:59,680 --> 00:39:02,759
Speaker 2: Seed formats so you allow the wildcard teams to be

778
00:39:02,800 --> 00:39:06,640
Speaker 2: seated higher than the division champions if the wildcard team

779
00:39:06,680 --> 00:39:10,000
Speaker 2: has a regular better regular, season record so you have

780
00:39:10,480 --> 00:39:13,240
Speaker 2: no more or, you basically if you win, your division.

781
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,480
Speaker 2: You're in but the caveat here is you do not

782
00:39:17,640 --> 00:39:21,319
Speaker 2: host a first round. Playoff game so that's you win,

783
00:39:21,400 --> 00:39:24,200
Speaker 2: the division you're a, playoff team but you don't guarantee

784
00:39:24,280 --> 00:39:26,600
Speaker 2: if you're a seven to eight to nine. Win team

785
00:39:26,640 --> 00:39:28,759
Speaker 2: and there's what we have last year where you Had,

786
00:39:28,760 --> 00:39:33,560
Speaker 2: the Lions, the Vikings the packers all with double, digit

787
00:39:33,640 --> 00:39:37,280
Speaker 2: wins yet fell in the seedings because of the division

788
00:39:37,320 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 2: winner getting the automatic fourth seed.

789
00:39:39,960 --> 00:39:42,560
Speaker 4: AT worst, i mean think about the mind blow that

790
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:46,719
Speaker 4: was Last Year. Minnesota vikings you won fourteen games and

791
00:39:46,760 --> 00:39:48,520
Speaker 4: you had to go on the road for your, playoff

792
00:39:48,560 --> 00:39:51,560
Speaker 4: opener which you lost in dubious Fashion At State. Farm

793
00:39:51,600 --> 00:39:54,800
Speaker 4: stadium you got jack stomp By, The Rams jared versus.

794
00:39:54,800 --> 00:39:59,000
Speaker 4: And COMPANY so i get it that this rule change

795
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,560
Speaker 4: was Brought by detroit Because if detroit wouldn't have Won

796
00:40:03,280 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 4: that week, eighteen game they would have gone on. The

797
00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:10,680
Speaker 4: ROAD so i, Get it but you got to Realize

798
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,160
Speaker 4: The arizona cardinals in two thousand and eight HOSTED The

799
00:40:14,280 --> 00:40:18,320
Speaker 4: nfc championship game at nine and seven that year because

800
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 4: of the division, champion rule and, to me they're not

801
00:40:22,920 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 4: all divisions are.

802
00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:25,040
Speaker 1: Created equal so.

803
00:40:26,480 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 4: You could reward a team that fattens up on a

804
00:40:30,239 --> 00:40:35,240
Speaker 4: really WEAK Division, nfc south and all of, a sudden,

805
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 4: you know you know another team that doesn't have as

806
00:40:38,680 --> 00:40:43,359
Speaker 4: many wins but plays IN The, afc north which historically

807
00:40:43,400 --> 00:40:44,560
Speaker 4: and typically.

808
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:44,879
Speaker 1: Is just a.

809
00:40:44,960 --> 00:40:49,480
Speaker 4: Slugfest throughout, you Know even cleveland a couple of years

810
00:40:49,480 --> 00:40:53,520
Speaker 4: ago won their. Playoff opener so THIS one i, HESITATE

811
00:40:53,600 --> 00:40:57,680
Speaker 4: on i think should be. STUDIED further I understand Detroit

812
00:40:57,880 --> 00:41:00,560
Speaker 4: in minnesota last year won so many games and one,

813
00:41:00,600 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 4: of them, you know had to go on the road

814
00:41:02,280 --> 00:41:04,160
Speaker 4: and was not able to host a. Playoff game, AND

815
00:41:04,280 --> 00:41:07,600
Speaker 4: look i think we can all understand how hosting a

816
00:41:07,600 --> 00:41:11,279
Speaker 4: playoff game can be very lucrative to, an organization so it,

817
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,799
Speaker 4: is coveted it. IS valued i just think there should

818
00:41:13,840 --> 00:41:16,040
Speaker 4: be some sort of value attached to winning each and.

819
00:41:16,080 --> 00:41:18,399
Speaker 2: Every DIVISION and i think THAT'S where i stand. As

820
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:23,399
Speaker 2: well and division games. Are important it's been hammered home when.

821
00:41:23,440 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 2: The division there should be an extra incentive to win,

822
00:41:27,040 --> 00:41:29,800
Speaker 2: your division regardless of how good or bad your, division

823
00:41:29,880 --> 00:41:32,480
Speaker 2: IS because i do think it is cyclical what we

824
00:41:32,520 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 2: saw in twenty. Twenty four you're not guaranteed to see

825
00:41:35,680 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 2: each and. Every season it. Does, happen Yes the cardinals

826
00:41:38,920 --> 00:41:42,480
Speaker 2: were the beneficiary of that not too. Long ago yet

827
00:41:42,480 --> 00:41:46,759
Speaker 2: at the, same time you eliminate winning the division and

828
00:41:46,800 --> 00:41:48,920
Speaker 2: getting a home, playoff game then all of, a sudden

829
00:41:48,920 --> 00:41:49,759
Speaker 2: you're no different THAN.

830
00:41:49,800 --> 00:41:49,880
Speaker 3: The.

831
00:41:50,000 --> 00:41:53,880
Speaker 2: Nba true and BECAUSE because i heard someone, say, this,

832
00:41:54,040 --> 00:41:57,839
Speaker 2: like okay name of the divisions IN, the nba no,

833
00:41:57,880 --> 00:42:00,800
Speaker 2: one knows because it's one, through eight that's your. Playoff

834
00:42:00,840 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 2: seeding if you. Want that IN, the nfl. THAT'S fine

835
00:42:04,280 --> 00:42:07,360
Speaker 2: i do think winning, the, division though should account. For

836
00:42:07,440 --> 00:42:10,560
Speaker 2: something IN, the nfl there's only seventeen of, these games

837
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 2: not eighty two like IN, The nba so, to me

838
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:14,799
Speaker 2: there's got to be a little bit more attached to

839
00:42:14,880 --> 00:42:17,640
Speaker 2: the division, and, saying yeah we WON The. Nfc west

840
00:42:18,000 --> 00:42:18,239
Speaker 2: that's a.

841
00:42:18,239 --> 00:42:19,879
Speaker 1: GREAT point i hadn't thought of it. That way.

842
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:23,239
Speaker 4: You're right it's almost as if there aren't really even.

843
00:42:23,280 --> 00:42:26,560
Speaker 4: Divisions anymore IN. The nba they just list one, through

844
00:42:26,600 --> 00:42:29,920
Speaker 4: ten who's into, the playoffs who's gonna be vining for

845
00:42:29,960 --> 00:42:33,080
Speaker 4: the Play in and you're right that inevitably would probably

846
00:42:33,080 --> 00:42:37,560
Speaker 4: happen TO the nfl teams hand hang, UP Banners nfc, West,

847
00:42:37,640 --> 00:42:41,080
Speaker 4: champion well you're going to undermine and mitigate the value

848
00:42:41,360 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 4: of that sort of accomplishment. And ACHIEVEMENT so I think

849
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,360
Speaker 4: nfl owners should think long and hard before they remove

850
00:42:47,440 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 4: an automatic home playoff game from the. Division championship the

851
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:56,280
Speaker 4: last item here is, the kickoff BECAUSE The Nfl competition

852
00:42:56,360 --> 00:43:00,120
Speaker 4: committee now has proposed to make the dynamic kickoff.

853
00:42:59,800 --> 00:43:03,320
Speaker 2: Permanent after a one year trial and make the touch

854
00:43:03,360 --> 00:43:06,560
Speaker 2: back the thirty five, yard line as opposed to. The

855
00:43:06,719 --> 00:43:10,319
Speaker 2: thirty and also you are allowed to declare an on

856
00:43:10,480 --> 00:43:13,680
Speaker 2: side kick at any point in, the game so long as.

857
00:43:13,719 --> 00:43:17,160
Speaker 2: You're trailing previously it was you had to be trailing

858
00:43:17,239 --> 00:43:19,000
Speaker 2: only in the, fourth quarter but now you can do

859
00:43:19,040 --> 00:43:22,360
Speaker 2: it at any point as long as. You're TRAILING but

860
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 2: i love the fact that the touch thirty would be

861
00:43:26,440 --> 00:43:30,040
Speaker 2: the touch thirty five because, to me there at that

862
00:43:30,160 --> 00:43:33,120
Speaker 2: five yards there's a big difference because too, many TIMES

863
00:43:33,160 --> 00:43:36,760
Speaker 2: and i know kickoff returns increase by better than fifty

864
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:40,040
Speaker 2: five percent, last year but how many times teams just

865
00:43:40,080 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 2: said we'll just defend at the thirty but you defend

866
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 2: at the. Thirty five now you're two plays away probably

867
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 2: and all of a sudden you're in field goal range

868
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:50,320
Speaker 2: based off the legs on some of.

869
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,000
Speaker 4: These, kickers yeah and the, data says, all right start

870
00:43:53,040 --> 00:43:55,759
Speaker 4: at thirty five is significantly different than starting at the

871
00:43:55,800 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 4: twenty five or.

872
00:43:56,640 --> 00:43:59,879
Speaker 1: The THIRTY so i agree. WITH you i like it an.

873
00:44:00,200 --> 00:44:04,280
Speaker 4: Any opportunity to get more of the, return game emphasize

874
00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,120
Speaker 4: and return it to, the game so, to SPEAK then

875
00:44:07,360 --> 00:44:09,800
Speaker 4: i think is. A plus, I mean i love TO

876
00:44:09,840 --> 00:44:13,520
Speaker 4: See dj dallas run the ball in, that SCENARIO and

877
00:44:14,040 --> 00:44:19,720
Speaker 4: i think it emphasizes the abilities and acumen of special.

878
00:44:19,760 --> 00:44:22,479
Speaker 4: Teams coordinators cardinals have one of the Best In, jeff

879
00:44:22,560 --> 00:44:25,279
Speaker 4: ROGERS so i think that's important. As Well and i'll

880
00:44:25,320 --> 00:44:27,880
Speaker 4: throw something else. Out there IF the nfl is growing the,

881
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:30,480
Speaker 4: game internationally and they most, definitely are you see, the

882
00:44:30,480 --> 00:44:32,839
Speaker 4: emphasis and it's not gonna be too long before there's

883
00:44:32,840 --> 00:44:35,880
Speaker 4: eighteen regular season games and every single team is playing

884
00:44:35,880 --> 00:44:38,719
Speaker 4: at least one. INTERNATIONAL game i firmly believe that is

885
00:44:38,760 --> 00:44:41,239
Speaker 4: in the NFL's. Near future when you go when we've

886
00:44:41,239 --> 00:44:44,360
Speaker 4: Gone To, mexico city when we've Gone, to london because

887
00:44:44,560 --> 00:44:45,799
Speaker 4: a lot of those markets are.

888
00:44:46,280 --> 00:44:49,239
Speaker 1: Soccer first they love the. Kicking game.

889
00:44:49,719 --> 00:44:52,160
Speaker 4: LOVE it i mean the famous Story Of neil rackers

890
00:44:52,320 --> 00:44:55,920
Speaker 4: getting standing ovations when he's warming up two hours before

891
00:44:55,960 --> 00:44:58,360
Speaker 4: the kickoff in two thousand and Five In, mexico city

892
00:44:58,800 --> 00:45:01,960
Speaker 4: and they absolutely all of the kickoff return because it

893
00:45:02,000 --> 00:45:04,839
Speaker 4: combines the kicking game when with also just.

894
00:45:04,800 --> 00:45:06,000
Speaker 1: The gladiator style of.

895
00:45:06,040 --> 00:45:09,040
Speaker 4: THE sport, i mean, you know guys, coming downfield even

896
00:45:09,080 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 4: in the new, dynamic kickoff, you know still they're covering

897
00:45:12,000 --> 00:45:14,319
Speaker 4: in a different way than they would from a play

898
00:45:14,360 --> 00:45:17,120
Speaker 4: that's at the line. Of scrimmage and the international fans

899
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,680
Speaker 4: really connect with that aspect of. The game it's sort

900
00:45:20,719 --> 00:45:24,600
Speaker 4: of their entryway or portal GATEWAY into nfl football because, they're,

901
00:45:24,640 --> 00:45:26,800
Speaker 4: Like okay i've seen this sort, of before the kicking

902
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:30,120
Speaker 4: and then the running, full force and so any opportunity

903
00:45:30,400 --> 00:45:33,319
Speaker 4: to make for more KICKOFF returns i think helps you

904
00:45:33,360 --> 00:45:36,480
Speaker 4: grow the. GAME internationally i look just looked up. DJ's

905
00:45:36,560 --> 00:45:40,440
Speaker 4: numbers he averaged almost thirty one yards a return. Last,

906
00:45:40,480 --> 00:45:43,160
Speaker 4: season really so if you have that kind of, a weapon,

907
00:45:44,400 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 4: you know maybe even that and maybe that's. The anomaly he's.

908
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,480
Speaker 4: So good, all right you're just gonna start at the

909
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,520
Speaker 4: thirty five. Yard line we'll take. Our chances we trust. Our, defense,

910
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:56,160
Speaker 4: okay well You've Got chad ryland on this roster who

911
00:45:56,239 --> 00:45:58,680
Speaker 4: is very good at kicking the ball deep as far

912
00:45:58,719 --> 00:46:01,080
Speaker 4: as field goal attempts, are concerned all of, a sudden

913
00:46:01,080 --> 00:46:05,359
Speaker 4: again you get to the opponent's. Forty five now you're

914
00:46:05,360 --> 00:46:08,520
Speaker 4: in field, goal range and especially late, in games that's

915
00:46:08,840 --> 00:46:11,480
Speaker 4: that's you don't need a full two minutes to get

916
00:46:11,480 --> 00:46:14,160
Speaker 4: into field. Goal range you need about thirty. Five seconds

917
00:46:14,239 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 4: and what else did we See at cardinals camp? Last

918
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 4: year and if you were, in attendance and fans.

919
00:46:18,480 --> 00:46:19,000
Speaker 1: Were there they were.

920
00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,759
Speaker 4: Open Practices matt brater was practicing those knucklers and sort

921
00:46:23,800 --> 00:46:26,439
Speaker 4: of those what do they call those mortar kicks where

922
00:46:26,440 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 4: he's trying to put it in between the goal line

923
00:46:28,719 --> 00:46:31,000
Speaker 4: and the twenty and then have it take a crazy

924
00:46:31,040 --> 00:46:34,360
Speaker 4: op because that is a, live ball and so you,

925
00:46:34,480 --> 00:46:37,200
Speaker 4: might see, you know some of the abilities of these

926
00:46:37,280 --> 00:46:40,120
Speaker 4: kickers come out a little bit more as well when,

927
00:46:40,120 --> 00:46:43,000
Speaker 4: they're trying because nobody wants the opponent to start at

928
00:46:43,040 --> 00:46:46,840
Speaker 4: the thirty five and so yet you want to mitigate

929
00:46:46,880 --> 00:46:49,279
Speaker 4: the chance of an. Effective return so now maybe we

930
00:46:49,400 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: start to see these kickers because you've seen these guys

931
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:54,759
Speaker 4: mess around. During practice some of the stuff they can

932
00:46:54,760 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 4: do with the football. Is ridiculous if you can bring

933
00:46:57,719 --> 00:46:59,759
Speaker 4: some of that into, THE game i think that would

934
00:46:59,800 --> 00:47:00,440
Speaker 4: be entertaining.

935
00:47:00,520 --> 00:47:02,960
Speaker 2: As Well now i'm just Waiting For jeff rodgers to

936
00:47:03,000 --> 00:47:04,920
Speaker 2: walk in, and say are you? Kidding me what are you?

937
00:47:04,960 --> 00:47:07,279
Speaker 2: Talking about we don't want it at the thirty five. Yard, line,

938
00:47:07,280 --> 00:47:09,640
Speaker 2: oh okay whatever, You. SAY jeff, I mean i'm very

939
00:47:09,640 --> 00:47:13,120
Speaker 2: curious on what many special teams coordinators feel about a lot,

940
00:47:13,160 --> 00:47:16,720
Speaker 2: of This because jeff in so, uncertain words has mentioned

941
00:47:16,760 --> 00:47:18,560
Speaker 2: that he didn't really have a lot of say and

942
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:22,200
Speaker 2: some of, this stuff especially the dynamic kickoff return aspect.

943
00:47:22,239 --> 00:47:24,440
Speaker 2: Of it, but again just on, the surface it certainly

944
00:47:24,480 --> 00:47:27,120
Speaker 2: looks like if you want the return to be brought

945
00:47:27,160 --> 00:47:30,560
Speaker 2: back even more the touch thirty five and all of,

946
00:47:30,600 --> 00:47:33,120
Speaker 2: a sudden have these teams rethink or what they do

947
00:47:33,200 --> 00:47:35,080
Speaker 2: as far as where you want your opponent to start.

948
00:47:35,080 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 4: THE football i still love the BACKSTORY Behind dj dallas's

949
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,399
Speaker 4: kickoff return for Touchdown At buffalo week one, last year

950
00:47:41,640 --> 00:47:43,640
Speaker 4: and after, THE game i DO what i, do BEST

951
00:47:43,680 --> 00:47:46,080
Speaker 4: and i asked the dumb, Guy, Question, so dj how

952
00:47:46,080 --> 00:47:48,560
Speaker 4: long were you guys sitting on? That, return no. We

953
00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 4: weren't we practiced that in preseason games. You did that

954
00:47:52,320 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 4: wasn't something you guys were sitting on in you because

955
00:47:54,520 --> 00:47:57,640
Speaker 4: that was the whole, Storyline, was okay you, know what

956
00:47:57,719 --> 00:48:00,239
Speaker 4: we we have this stealth kickoff return every time team

957
00:48:00,320 --> 00:48:02,360
Speaker 4: was talking. About, it right we're gonna do something behind

958
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:03,040
Speaker 4: the scenes and.

959
00:48:02,960 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: Then we're gonna bust it out.

960
00:48:04,120 --> 00:48:06,160
Speaker 4: Week one we're gonna take the league by surprise and

961
00:48:06,200 --> 00:48:08,520
Speaker 4: our opening an opponent and they're gonna pay for. The,

962
00:48:08,560 --> 00:48:13,120
Speaker 4: fact no that's not. What Happened the cardinals went, reverse

963
00:48:13,360 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 4: right They, Went costanza they did. The opposite, they said you,

964
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,799
Speaker 4: know what if we do something for the first time

965
00:48:18,840 --> 00:48:22,000
Speaker 4: in the, regular season, live football it's probably not gonna

966
00:48:22,040 --> 00:48:24,120
Speaker 4: come out. So good so what we're gonna do is

967
00:48:24,160 --> 00:48:26,839
Speaker 4: we're going to hide it in. Plain sight we're going

968
00:48:26,920 --> 00:48:29,680
Speaker 4: to practice it the entirety of. The preseason they think

969
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:32,160
Speaker 4: we're going to do, something different but. We're not but

970
00:48:32,280 --> 00:48:35,520
Speaker 4: because we've, practiced it we've, perfected it and now we're

971
00:48:35,520 --> 00:48:37,279
Speaker 4: just gonna run it better than you can. Cover it

972
00:48:37,400 --> 00:48:39,680
Speaker 4: and boom it went For the it went the entirety

973
00:48:39,719 --> 00:48:40,920
Speaker 4: for a kickoff return touchdown.

974
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:43,399
Speaker 2: A buffalo, of course they didn't have another one, after that,

975
00:48:43,440 --> 00:48:45,680
Speaker 2: but hey that's beside. The point he'll. GO Down dj

976
00:48:45,800 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 2: dallas will go down as the first one to score

977
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:51,960
Speaker 2: a touchdown on the, dynamic return and he wasn't the

978
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 2: only one, last year but you could certainly see more

979
00:48:55,200 --> 00:48:58,160
Speaker 2: coming up in twenty, twenty five AT least I believe i.

980
00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:00,680
Speaker 4: Do TOO and, i think you, know what as long

981
00:49:00,719 --> 00:49:03,160
Speaker 4: as the injury rate is down on the, dynamic kickoff

982
00:49:03,200 --> 00:49:05,560
Speaker 4: and from all indications, it is and that's the reason

983
00:49:05,600 --> 00:49:08,759
Speaker 4: why they got away from the traditional Kickoff was according to,

984
00:49:08,800 --> 00:49:12,400
Speaker 4: the league the data showed an inordinately high rate of

985
00:49:12,440 --> 00:49:16,279
Speaker 4: injury when guys are running full speed with a full

986
00:49:16,280 --> 00:49:19,560
Speaker 4: head of steam the length of a, football field making

987
00:49:19,560 --> 00:49:22,680
Speaker 4: for a lot of high. Speed collisions you can. UNDERSTAND it,

988
00:49:23,120 --> 00:49:25,120
Speaker 4: i mean as someone who at Least At Leland high

989
00:49:25,120 --> 00:49:27,799
Speaker 4: school used to. Do that you get blowed up on

990
00:49:27,840 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 4: those both covering in and renturning. THOSE kickoffs i mean

991
00:49:31,840 --> 00:49:34,560
Speaker 4: there were some. Ridiculous collisions now you take guys who

992
00:49:34,560 --> 00:49:36,880
Speaker 4: were six two two forty and are running four or,

993
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:41,480
Speaker 4: Five forties it's it's like two cars colliding in. An

994
00:49:41,520 --> 00:49:45,000
Speaker 4: intersection the velocity and ferocity of some of. Those hits

995
00:49:45,040 --> 00:49:48,640
Speaker 4: so if the injury rates are normalized to the rest of,

996
00:49:48,680 --> 00:49:51,640
Speaker 4: the game, then yeah try and tweak the other rules

997
00:49:51,760 --> 00:49:52,600
Speaker 4: so you can keep it in.

998
00:49:52,640 --> 00:49:52,959
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