1 00:00:02,080 --> 00:00:04,760 Speaker 1: You're listening to the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast DAM 2 00:00:04,800 --> 00:00:09,879 Speaker 1: Paranormal podcast network, where we offer you podcasts of the paranormal, supernatural, 3 00:00:10,000 --> 00:00:13,760 Speaker 1: and the unexplained. Get ready now for Beyond Contact with 4 00:00:13,920 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: Captain Ron. 5 00:00:21,360 --> 00:00:24,680 Speaker 2: Welcome to our podcast. Please be aware the thoughts and 6 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 2: opinions expressed by the host are their thoughts and opinions 7 00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,920 Speaker 2: only and do not reflect those of iHeartMedia, iHeartRadio, Coast 8 00:00:33,960 --> 00:00:38,400 Speaker 2: to Coast AM, employees of premier networks, or their sponsors 9 00:00:38,400 --> 00:00:41,640 Speaker 2: and associates. We would like to encourage you to do 10 00:00:41,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 2: your own research and discover the subject matter for yourself. 11 00:00:51,720 --> 00:00:55,840 Speaker 3: Hey everyone, it's Captain Ron and each week on Beyond Contact, 12 00:00:55,960 --> 00:00:59,680 Speaker 3: we'll explore the latest news in upology, discuss some of 13 00:00:59,680 --> 00:01:03,360 Speaker 3: the cl cases, and bring you the latest information from 14 00:01:03,360 --> 00:01:06,360 Speaker 3: the newest cases as we talked with the top experts. 15 00:01:08,200 --> 00:01:10,679 Speaker 4: Welcome to Beyond Contact. I'm Captain ronad Today we're going 16 00:01:10,720 --> 00:01:13,560 Speaker 4: to be speaking with our good friend Steven Bassett. Steve's 17 00:01:13,560 --> 00:01:16,560 Speaker 4: the executive director of the Paradigm Research Group, which he 18 00:01:16,600 --> 00:01:19,280 Speaker 4: founded back in nineteen ninety six to end the government 19 00:01:19,319 --> 00:01:24,120 Speaker 4: imposed embargo on the truth behind the extraterrestrial related phenomenon. 20 00:01:24,440 --> 00:01:27,240 Speaker 4: He's the official lobbyist for this issue, and he is 21 00:01:27,319 --> 00:01:30,400 Speaker 4: the best person to give us insights into the latest 22 00:01:30,440 --> 00:01:35,880 Speaker 4: congressional hearings that just happened in the capitol on UAP. So, hey, Steve, 23 00:01:35,920 --> 00:01:38,840 Speaker 4: we got another hearing. I know you're excited about that. 24 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:43,920 Speaker 4: And this particular hearing included military witnesses and even an 25 00:01:44,080 --> 00:01:47,400 Speaker 4: active duty naval officer, which is the first time I 26 00:01:47,400 --> 00:01:48,120 Speaker 4: think that's happened. 27 00:01:48,160 --> 00:01:51,720 Speaker 5: Would you think, let's see, well, they've all had some 28 00:01:52,160 --> 00:01:56,280 Speaker 5: military and this one as well. I think the first 29 00:01:56,400 --> 00:02:00,120 Speaker 5: Navy person was there, and he was specifically there on 30 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 5: this personal basis, right, and we had the second time 31 00:02:03,640 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 5: we had a journalist and then as a civilian that's 32 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:09,800 Speaker 5: involved an important new organization that has formed. There's so 33 00:02:09,919 --> 00:02:13,320 Speaker 5: many of them, so it But in general, this was 34 00:02:13,360 --> 00:02:16,160 Speaker 5: an important hearing. But I can appreciate why a lot 35 00:02:16,160 --> 00:02:19,359 Speaker 5: of people just following this or interested in the subject 36 00:02:19,800 --> 00:02:22,840 Speaker 5: may not have gotten how important it was, because the 37 00:02:23,000 --> 00:02:27,000 Speaker 5: sentiment of many is, look, we want more, bigger, better, 38 00:02:27,200 --> 00:02:30,800 Speaker 5: more spectacular, and if we're not getting that, it's disappointing. 39 00:02:30,840 --> 00:02:32,880 Speaker 5: We want you to, you know, if you can get 40 00:02:32,880 --> 00:02:34,720 Speaker 5: a dead et in there, and one of those little 41 00:02:34,720 --> 00:02:38,639 Speaker 5: glass thing is whatever, maybe bringing a couple of ET devices. 42 00:02:38,800 --> 00:02:41,280 Speaker 5: I get it, but they don't understand that. The hearings 43 00:02:41,280 --> 00:02:45,400 Speaker 5: are not about that. They're not about being the mechanism. 44 00:02:45,480 --> 00:02:49,079 Speaker 5: It's going to let people know what's going on, right 45 00:02:49,160 --> 00:02:52,840 Speaker 5: that will be post disclosure that will come out under 46 00:02:53,320 --> 00:02:57,160 Speaker 5: a bill, probably the EAP Disclosure Act. The hearings are 47 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:02,120 Speaker 5: about it is setting a state, which is creating the 48 00:03:02,160 --> 00:03:05,640 Speaker 5: ability to do something. It's necessary because the more people 49 00:03:05,639 --> 00:03:09,600 Speaker 5: that are involved, the more the legislation is legislation, legislator 50 00:03:09,680 --> 00:03:13,080 Speaker 5: is involved, the more media coverage and the more basic 51 00:03:13,160 --> 00:03:16,480 Speaker 5: information that's out there makes it possible for the president 52 00:03:16,520 --> 00:03:19,160 Speaker 5: to do that. And that's the disconnect for a lot 53 00:03:19,200 --> 00:03:21,760 Speaker 5: of people. So on the basis of how I view 54 00:03:21,840 --> 00:03:25,040 Speaker 5: things happening, a lot of great things took place, and 55 00:03:25,080 --> 00:03:28,720 Speaker 5: I'm not being to elucidate on that. Are you ready? 56 00:03:28,919 --> 00:03:29,720 Speaker 6: I am ready. 57 00:03:29,720 --> 00:03:31,079 Speaker 5: You got a question, but let me You've got a 58 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:32,680 Speaker 5: couple quick question. Why don't you do that? Hit me 59 00:03:32,680 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 5: with a couple questions. 60 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:35,880 Speaker 4: Well, I had three quick things that stood out tomorrow 61 00:03:36,240 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 4: I thought were important. Number One, Luna, Burchett, and Burlason 62 00:03:41,920 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 4: all seem like they really have a good understanding of 63 00:03:44,560 --> 00:03:47,720 Speaker 4: this topic. They're just not asking stupid questions. They act 64 00:03:47,760 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 4: like they're genuinely informed. So I thought that was very important. 65 00:03:51,400 --> 00:03:54,680 Speaker 4: They are, to their credit, go ahead, Yeah, it's great. 66 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:59,560 Speaker 4: And then I love that Eli Crane said this testimony 67 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:03,960 Speaker 4: fromunerable service members and watching videos like my colleague mister 68 00:04:03,960 --> 00:04:07,400 Speaker 4: Berdlson just presented. You know, I've got to admit I've 69 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 4: become a believer. So here's another congress person coming forward 70 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:14,760 Speaker 4: saying they now believe that this could be you know, 71 00:04:14,840 --> 00:04:19,800 Speaker 4: et And Third, I thought it was fantastic that Luna 72 00:04:20,000 --> 00:04:26,000 Speaker 4: called out Errow and Kirkpatrick and really when Adam hard 73 00:04:26,080 --> 00:04:28,440 Speaker 4: And it came up several times. So I was very 74 00:04:28,440 --> 00:04:30,720 Speaker 4: impressed by all of those aspects. 75 00:04:30,839 --> 00:04:33,080 Speaker 5: With respect to the hearings. These are some of the 76 00:04:33,120 --> 00:04:38,040 Speaker 5: things that were extremely important. Number one shocked me Luna, 77 00:04:38,200 --> 00:04:39,800 Speaker 5: and by the way I was in the room, Well 78 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 5: obviously it was, but this I'll go on about that. 79 00:04:42,600 --> 00:04:47,279 Speaker 5: Luna literally went after Kirkpatrick immediately. She called him a 80 00:04:47,360 --> 00:04:52,880 Speaker 5: documented liar. Whoa, whoa? And so why is she doing 81 00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:59,720 Speaker 5: that because right now that where there is a would 82 00:04:59,760 --> 00:05:01,880 Speaker 5: you say, a bit of a contest going on. I 83 00:05:01,880 --> 00:05:04,480 Speaker 5: hate to say, I don't want to use martial adjectives. 84 00:05:04,880 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 5: And the contest is between the what I call the 85 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:13,760 Speaker 5: fourth truth people of the four Persons of the Truth 86 00:05:13,800 --> 00:05:18,400 Speaker 5: opolic opelex significate it right, okay, or the forced horsemen 87 00:05:18,480 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 5: and women of the Truth opulist whatever. And that's of 88 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:25,120 Speaker 5: course Mace, Burchett, Luna and Berlisson. And they are up 89 00:05:25,160 --> 00:05:28,960 Speaker 5: against two. They are up against those within the Department 90 00:05:29,000 --> 00:05:34,200 Speaker 5: of Defense uh and and pretty much representing others possibly 91 00:05:34,240 --> 00:05:36,520 Speaker 5: in the civilian sector, that do not want this to 92 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:39,000 Speaker 5: go forward. They do not want the truth and Barbo 93 00:05:39,160 --> 00:05:42,719 Speaker 5: ended they do not want disclosure. And one of the 94 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:47,960 Speaker 5: people they had to either recruit or or at least 95 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:50,320 Speaker 5: ultimately put in a position where there's nothing he could 96 00:05:50,320 --> 00:05:52,760 Speaker 5: do was Sean Kirkpatrick, who was brought in as head 97 00:05:52,760 --> 00:05:56,680 Speaker 5: of Barrow brutal job. Wouldn't have wanted it. I don't 98 00:05:56,720 --> 00:06:00,840 Speaker 5: know what he expected. Things had moved along quickly enough, 99 00:06:01,560 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 5: we would have gotten to where we needed to go 100 00:06:03,600 --> 00:06:07,080 Speaker 5: before he had to throw himself on the fire in 101 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:12,040 Speaker 5: the service of the truth embargo. And so when to 102 00:06:12,440 --> 00:06:14,640 Speaker 5: the extent that he could kind of be the placeholder 103 00:06:14,680 --> 00:06:16,920 Speaker 5: and run Arrow to do this and that and whatever 104 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:20,080 Speaker 5: without rocking the boat that blew up when Grush came 105 00:06:20,120 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 5: forward in twenty twenty three, because at that moment, who's 106 00:06:24,080 --> 00:06:25,680 Speaker 5: gonna go? Who are you gonna go to next? After 107 00:06:25,720 --> 00:06:30,600 Speaker 5: Grush makes those statements to Kirkpatrick, he support Grush absolutely not. 108 00:06:30,880 --> 00:06:34,360 Speaker 5: He can't do any of that, and so he chose 109 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:37,480 Speaker 5: either by intent or he was told to push back. 110 00:06:37,680 --> 00:06:40,680 Speaker 5: So he immediately writes a nasty letter about Grush, says this, 111 00:06:40,800 --> 00:06:44,560 Speaker 5: and says that suddenly Grush's medical records turn up, et cetera, 112 00:06:44,600 --> 00:06:47,240 Speaker 5: et cetera, and it goes downhill from there. So now 113 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:51,359 Speaker 5: he's committed. Grush survives all this, He does well, he 114 00:06:51,520 --> 00:06:54,360 Speaker 5: is making his points, the people are on board, and 115 00:06:54,440 --> 00:06:57,279 Speaker 5: so it gets worse. Kirkpatrick finally gets to the point 116 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:58,960 Speaker 5: where he just, you know, I just want out of here. 117 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,360 Speaker 5: So he says going to quit. Fine, he's going to leave. 118 00:07:01,400 --> 00:07:05,760 Speaker 5: But before he leaves, the DoD as another pushback, says, 119 00:07:06,040 --> 00:07:07,840 Speaker 5: we got to study. We're going to finish out this 120 00:07:08,160 --> 00:07:11,240 Speaker 5: aero study and we need you to sign off on it. 121 00:07:11,520 --> 00:07:14,520 Speaker 5: And the aero study is complete nonsense, right. It is 122 00:07:14,600 --> 00:07:17,360 Speaker 5: kind of the twenty first century Robertson Report, only even 123 00:07:17,440 --> 00:07:20,239 Speaker 5: more embarrassing, and he does that and off he goes. 124 00:07:21,040 --> 00:07:24,960 Speaker 5: He's not the only pushback that's happening, but he became 125 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,720 Speaker 5: the symbol for it, and so they needed to pop 126 00:07:27,840 --> 00:07:30,440 Speaker 5: him to let people know we are not going to 127 00:07:30,520 --> 00:07:33,800 Speaker 5: let you win that contest. And so boom, right out 128 00:07:33,800 --> 00:07:34,600 Speaker 5: of the gate. 129 00:07:34,640 --> 00:07:35,960 Speaker 6: There it is. That was important. 130 00:07:36,280 --> 00:07:39,960 Speaker 5: Then there was further reinforcement of that perception that came out, 131 00:07:40,080 --> 00:07:42,760 Speaker 5: and so they have made it clear we're on the 132 00:07:42,840 --> 00:07:47,960 Speaker 5: side of truth and Kirkpatrick and others are on the 133 00:07:48,040 --> 00:07:49,960 Speaker 5: side of maintaining the lie. 134 00:07:50,280 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 6: So that was good. 135 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,160 Speaker 5: I want to cut right to what I consider the 136 00:07:54,160 --> 00:07:58,679 Speaker 5: most important thing that happened, and that is George Napp. 137 00:07:58,880 --> 00:08:02,400 Speaker 5: George Knapp was the second journalists to testify under oath 138 00:08:02,400 --> 00:08:04,840 Speaker 5: on this issue. The first was Schellenberger in the second 139 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:07,560 Speaker 5: and what he had to say was interesting. Georgia is 140 00:08:07,600 --> 00:08:10,680 Speaker 5: at another level altogether. A lot of people criticized him 141 00:08:10,760 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 5: on the social media. What's he doing there? We don't 142 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:17,320 Speaker 5: want a journalist, right, He's not an insider. They don't 143 00:08:17,400 --> 00:08:22,280 Speaker 5: but they don't know him, right. George Knapp deserves a pulitzerprise. 144 00:08:22,440 --> 00:08:26,560 Speaker 5: I assure you, an incredible investigative, not just a reporter 145 00:08:26,640 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 5: writing for the paper. He was an investigative journalist for 146 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:32,280 Speaker 5: a major television station. It happened to be in a 147 00:08:32,320 --> 00:08:35,280 Speaker 5: city not that far from Area fifty one. And so, 148 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:38,679 Speaker 5: in addition to hundreds of investigative reports that he has 149 00:08:38,679 --> 00:08:41,480 Speaker 5: put out, he has done an enormous body of work 150 00:08:41,520 --> 00:08:44,360 Speaker 5: for thirty eight years on this subject, talk to more 151 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:49,480 Speaker 5: people than probably anybody had his inside opportunities. Docs researched 152 00:08:49,480 --> 00:08:52,240 Speaker 5: the whole nine yards. And so when he comes to 153 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:55,280 Speaker 5: a witness, they could have interviewed just him for five 154 00:08:55,360 --> 00:08:58,720 Speaker 5: hours and it would have been important. And maybe he's 155 00:08:58,800 --> 00:09:02,080 Speaker 5: not a first hand legacy guys, so what And so 156 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:06,360 Speaker 5: he comes in. Now there is a plan here, okay, 157 00:09:07,080 --> 00:09:12,720 Speaker 5: and so just talking about NAP's testimony, what happens. First 158 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,000 Speaker 5: it gives them the opportunity to introduce all of NAP's 159 00:09:17,120 --> 00:09:21,160 Speaker 5: research in Russia. And so he turns over giant piles 160 00:09:21,160 --> 00:09:24,200 Speaker 5: of documents that he got from from his Russia work, 161 00:09:24,200 --> 00:09:26,920 Speaker 5: which he's talked about. It's been out there, but it 162 00:09:26,960 --> 00:09:29,840 Speaker 5: hadn't been put in the record on a congressional hearing, 163 00:09:30,080 --> 00:09:33,640 Speaker 5: has it all right? And so that goes into the record, 164 00:09:34,520 --> 00:09:37,440 Speaker 5: and one of the most important things about the Russia 165 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:41,280 Speaker 5: research is that he he found documents and talk with 166 00:09:41,360 --> 00:09:45,720 Speaker 5: people that were able to corroborate the fact that there 167 00:09:45,760 --> 00:09:48,199 Speaker 5: was an event in Russia, maybe more than one, where 168 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:51,280 Speaker 5: a craft has hovered over one of their nuclear facilities, 169 00:09:51,679 --> 00:09:54,920 Speaker 5: didn't turn them off like minut A Malstrom put them 170 00:09:54,920 --> 00:09:58,120 Speaker 5: into launch mode. It's taking them right up to launch 171 00:09:58,160 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 5: and then dropping them down. Now that has happened here too, 172 00:10:01,640 --> 00:10:03,440 Speaker 5: that we don't have the strong that we don't have 173 00:10:03,480 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 5: witness ready to testify under oath on it, but I 174 00:10:06,240 --> 00:10:09,480 Speaker 5: think they're out there. Hastings did the research and so 175 00:10:09,600 --> 00:10:12,560 Speaker 5: I think it happened here, but it's a safer play 176 00:10:12,840 --> 00:10:13,840 Speaker 5: it happened in Russia. 177 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 6: All right, I agree, Steve, you need to take a break. 178 00:10:16,280 --> 00:10:17,520 Speaker 4: We're going to come back on the other side and 179 00:10:17,520 --> 00:10:20,439 Speaker 4: pick it up about George Napp, who did an incredible 180 00:10:20,520 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 4: job at the hearing. You're listening to Beyond Contact on 181 00:10:24,200 --> 00:10:45,440 Speaker 4: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 182 00:10:46,360 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact talking to Steve Massett 183 00:10:48,640 --> 00:10:50,000 Speaker 4: about the amazing job. 184 00:10:49,920 --> 00:10:51,679 Speaker 6: George Napp did at the hearing. 185 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:56,000 Speaker 5: Go ahead, Steve, and to also add something else about 186 00:10:56,000 --> 00:11:01,560 Speaker 5: it again, This was an extremely strategic that hearing. 187 00:11:01,760 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 6: Right. 188 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:07,880 Speaker 5: Normally the chair introduces the witnesses that are going to testify, 189 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,160 Speaker 5: and Anna Polina did, Polana Luna did that, except for 190 00:11:11,240 --> 00:11:16,679 Speaker 5: one George Knapp, who introduced George Knapp, his Congress representative 191 00:11:16,760 --> 00:11:19,040 Speaker 5: came in. I'm pretty sure I don't think she's on 192 00:11:19,080 --> 00:11:21,520 Speaker 5: the task for as I don't think so, and she 193 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:25,600 Speaker 5: introduced him and ruffles and flourishes. 194 00:11:25,679 --> 00:11:25,839 Speaker 6: Right. 195 00:11:26,800 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 5: His career is legacy. All the work he's done, the 196 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 5: prizes he's got, Edward Armorrow, the Peabody Prizes, twenty some regionals, 197 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:39,640 Speaker 5: but blah blah boom okay, so he's elevated. So what 198 00:11:39,800 --> 00:11:43,400 Speaker 5: we get from him is a substantial amount of information 199 00:11:43,520 --> 00:11:47,559 Speaker 5: covering a number of areas that are important, but most 200 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:51,560 Speaker 5: importantly the Russia research, plus a lot of and that 201 00:11:51,760 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 5: the document's rated to his other goes into the record. Hey, 202 00:11:54,600 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 5: it's going to take them weeks to go through that, 203 00:11:57,080 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 5: so don't be surprised if some of that starts playing 204 00:11:59,160 --> 00:11:59,840 Speaker 5: a role in the future. 205 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:00,320 Speaker 6: Here hearance. 206 00:12:01,000 --> 00:12:05,839 Speaker 5: But it is the first time in history that the 207 00:12:05,960 --> 00:12:09,360 Speaker 5: nuclear shutdown or turn ons in the presence of extraterustrial 208 00:12:09,440 --> 00:12:12,800 Speaker 5: craft has ever been entered into oath or put in 209 00:12:12,800 --> 00:12:16,079 Speaker 5: front of a hearing of Congress. He broke. He broke 210 00:12:16,160 --> 00:12:20,679 Speaker 5: the bass wall right there. And guess what in the 211 00:12:20,679 --> 00:12:24,840 Speaker 5: course of the hearing, I think in one other moment 212 00:12:24,920 --> 00:12:28,600 Speaker 5: with another witness, but also during George's testimony, guess who 213 00:12:28,679 --> 00:12:34,440 Speaker 5: got mentioned Robert Sallas. Oh yeah, Robert Jacob's two of 214 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,480 Speaker 5: the key nuclear tampering witnesses that we have been trying 215 00:12:37,520 --> 00:12:41,880 Speaker 5: to get into hearing forever. Okay, and so now Robert 216 00:12:41,920 --> 00:12:44,800 Speaker 5: Sallas's name is in the record. Robert's sitting right next 217 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,440 Speaker 5: to me. Okay. He and his wife flew in. They 218 00:12:47,480 --> 00:12:49,720 Speaker 5: spent a lot of money so that he could be 219 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:52,040 Speaker 5: there at their hearing. But there's even more to that, 220 00:12:52,520 --> 00:12:55,959 Speaker 5: and so he was thrilled. Okay, So now it's in play. 221 00:12:56,720 --> 00:13:00,920 Speaker 5: Let's give some background to this. A number of people, myself, 222 00:13:01,120 --> 00:13:06,880 Speaker 5: certainly Kyler Roberts, and certainly Robert Sallas, have been trying 223 00:13:06,920 --> 00:13:10,280 Speaker 5: and doing everything they can to inform the key people 224 00:13:10,480 --> 00:13:15,280 Speaker 5: in Congress about this aspect of the phenomenon. That doesn't 225 00:13:15,280 --> 00:13:17,160 Speaker 5: mean they didn't know, but we're just hitting them with 226 00:13:17,200 --> 00:13:20,240 Speaker 5: the idea we want them to testify. They're desperate to testify. 227 00:13:20,600 --> 00:13:20,960 Speaker 6: Okay. 228 00:13:21,360 --> 00:13:25,600 Speaker 5: So Tyler Roberts set up a meeting after the November 229 00:13:25,640 --> 00:13:30,320 Speaker 5: thirteenth here last year with Robert Sallas, Captain Robert Salas, 230 00:13:30,320 --> 00:13:32,560 Speaker 5: and the person who was pretty much running in at 231 00:13:32,600 --> 00:13:35,280 Speaker 5: that point, Nancy Mace, and we had a fine meeting. 232 00:13:35,320 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 5: We had a fine interview. I happened to be there. 233 00:13:37,920 --> 00:13:40,280 Speaker 5: I was on camera with them, and that was put out. 234 00:13:40,400 --> 00:13:42,200 Speaker 5: Tyler Roberts put it out and is out there. You 235 00:13:42,240 --> 00:13:44,480 Speaker 5: can find it all good, and so we were going 236 00:13:44,559 --> 00:13:46,840 Speaker 5: to go from there and kind of move on forward. 237 00:13:47,360 --> 00:13:51,520 Speaker 5: We wanted eventually to get meetings between Bob Sallas and 238 00:13:52,280 --> 00:13:57,600 Speaker 5: Burlison and Lona as well and Burchet Okay, but prior 239 00:13:58,000 --> 00:14:00,959 Speaker 5: about a month or prior to that meeting with Mace, 240 00:14:01,800 --> 00:14:04,240 Speaker 5: I who have been dealing with this issue in Bob 241 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:07,760 Speaker 5: for a long long time. I submitted two sets of 242 00:14:08,160 --> 00:14:11,720 Speaker 5: witness affidavits for about nine of the witnesses, hard copy 243 00:14:12,040 --> 00:14:15,720 Speaker 5: to every single well the Senate as well every single 244 00:14:15,960 --> 00:14:18,439 Speaker 5: office of the Senate Intel Committee, as well as every 245 00:14:18,480 --> 00:14:23,640 Speaker 5: single office of the Oversight Subcommittee, most of who are 246 00:14:23,680 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 5: now part of the task Force, and also an electronic 247 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:30,800 Speaker 5: version of the affidavits. Made some calls, let them know 248 00:14:30,840 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 5: what's in there. You know, I think you the best 249 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 5: you can, all right, And so see, I guess you 250 00:14:34,920 --> 00:14:37,200 Speaker 5: could see I was seating the field. I was just 251 00:14:37,200 --> 00:14:39,480 Speaker 5: putting that stuff out there. So it's floating around. 252 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:40,080 Speaker 6: All good. 253 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 5: I can assume that all of these people are starting 254 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,040 Speaker 5: to look at some of this stuff. They're starting to 255 00:14:46,120 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 5: consider this issue of the nuke tampering and how and 256 00:14:48,960 --> 00:14:51,680 Speaker 5: the nuke shutdowns, how it's important. And so as we 257 00:14:51,760 --> 00:14:56,400 Speaker 5: move towards the hearing, then we get another breakthrough. And 258 00:14:56,440 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 5: again Tyler Roberts is involved in this or some other 259 00:14:58,920 --> 00:14:59,640 Speaker 5: people that help. 260 00:15:00,200 --> 00:15:05,960 Speaker 7: But ultimately we were able to get Congressman Burlson to 261 00:15:06,040 --> 00:15:10,760 Speaker 7: agree to meet Robert Sallas after the hearing, and so 262 00:15:10,880 --> 00:15:12,600 Speaker 7: that was set up so that he was going to 263 00:15:12,640 --> 00:15:14,600 Speaker 7: be meeting with the Congressman. 264 00:15:14,760 --> 00:15:17,200 Speaker 5: This would be his second meeting, but a far more 265 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:21,080 Speaker 5: substantial situation than before and further along into the issue. 266 00:15:21,360 --> 00:15:23,920 Speaker 5: All right, And so that was said. But then he 267 00:15:24,000 --> 00:15:29,480 Speaker 5: got better because Congressman Burlson, who I got to tell you, 268 00:15:30,000 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 5: we can't have a better champion on this issue. Why 269 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:37,840 Speaker 5: he is an intelligent, grounded he is someone that is 270 00:15:38,360 --> 00:15:42,440 Speaker 5: he communicates with people. It doesn't matter. He's nonpartisan in 271 00:15:42,480 --> 00:15:46,760 Speaker 5: his engagements. He's also one of the safest seats in 272 00:15:46,800 --> 00:15:50,480 Speaker 5: the House. He won seventy three percent. He agrees to 273 00:15:50,520 --> 00:15:55,200 Speaker 5: hold a reception for us. I guess you could say, 274 00:15:55,200 --> 00:15:57,600 Speaker 5: you know those that kind of got the word at 275 00:15:57,640 --> 00:16:00,640 Speaker 5: the Capitol Club, which is right to cross from the 276 00:16:00,680 --> 00:16:03,680 Speaker 5: Cannon Building. I actually had dinner with him and four others, 277 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 5: lasted probably six hours a while back, where Anna Brady 278 00:16:09,320 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 5: Estadas gave him at the copy of Casting's book UFOs 279 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:15,960 Speaker 5: and Nukes I would have done, didn't have one. Then 280 00:16:15,960 --> 00:16:18,960 Speaker 5: I gave him other information and so forth. All good. 281 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:21,560 Speaker 5: That was, you know, some weeks back. But then we 282 00:16:21,680 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 5: have this thing and so sixty or seventy people are there, 283 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:28,560 Speaker 5: all the names you would expect. Okay, Danny Shan and 284 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,160 Speaker 5: Jim Garrison was there, I was there, Anna and Brady 285 00:16:31,240 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 5: was there, and so forth, a lot of people. We're 286 00:16:33,240 --> 00:16:35,960 Speaker 5: having a great time talking it up. People are taking 287 00:16:36,040 --> 00:16:38,640 Speaker 5: video fit and film you can find it. And we 288 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:41,960 Speaker 5: had a wonderful evening. And that was the night before 289 00:16:42,160 --> 00:16:45,160 Speaker 5: and then we have the hearing, okay, which I'll get 290 00:16:45,240 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 5: back to. But after the hearing, we head right over 291 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:52,840 Speaker 5: to the Congressman's office. And as it happened, Tyler Roberts, 292 00:16:52,880 --> 00:16:56,160 Speaker 5: who had helped us set this up, comes down with RSV, 293 00:16:56,600 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 5: one of the worst viruses right after COVID. You don't 294 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,680 Speaker 5: want it. He is really hurting. He couldn't come. It 295 00:17:02,760 --> 00:17:05,359 Speaker 5: was like, oh my god. He was so upset. Tyler, 296 00:17:05,680 --> 00:17:09,240 Speaker 5: get well, my friend. Because we're at a place where 297 00:17:09,280 --> 00:17:11,960 Speaker 5: so many people are connected in network, we are a 298 00:17:12,320 --> 00:17:17,200 Speaker 5: we are a legitimate activist connected movement. I immediately called up 299 00:17:17,400 --> 00:17:20,440 Speaker 5: Danny Sheen and said, can we get your videographer who 300 00:17:20,480 --> 00:17:24,560 Speaker 5: travels with him to go ahead and film of the deal? Absolutely, 301 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 5: and so he agrees to do it, except that no 302 00:17:28,640 --> 00:17:33,800 Speaker 5: shade being shown, shade being thrown here. Tyler, he's traveling 303 00:17:33,800 --> 00:17:37,800 Speaker 5: with this, he's fully engaged. He's got three camera, six 304 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:41,680 Speaker 5: case setup operation. And so we got the full deal. 305 00:17:41,760 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 5: And then and then Burlison has these super lighting things 306 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,200 Speaker 5: in his office, so that's all set up, three cameras. 307 00:17:48,400 --> 00:17:51,239 Speaker 5: They're in the chair. Meanwhile people are hearing about it. 308 00:17:51,320 --> 00:17:54,800 Speaker 5: Danny Sheen's in there god knows who else with several 309 00:17:54,800 --> 00:17:58,879 Speaker 5: other people, and Alen Steinfeld showed up, I think you know, 310 00:17:59,000 --> 00:18:01,040 Speaker 5: And so we got about ten people in the room, 311 00:18:01,040 --> 00:18:04,440 Speaker 5: including the chief of staff, for a forty minute interview 312 00:18:04,760 --> 00:18:10,639 Speaker 5: with Bob six k about his entire story. Now, the 313 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,920 Speaker 5: only thing I would say is that Bob was trying 314 00:18:12,920 --> 00:18:17,399 Speaker 5: to be very clear and he was very slow, So 315 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:19,919 Speaker 5: you got to be patient on this. But the whole 316 00:18:20,280 --> 00:18:24,080 Speaker 5: story that was filmed. Eric shakes his hand, and that 317 00:18:24,240 --> 00:18:27,840 Speaker 5: is now spreading all over the world because Danny Sheen 318 00:18:27,960 --> 00:18:32,400 Speaker 5: is going to use it for a new Paradigm institute, right, 319 00:18:32,440 --> 00:18:34,639 Speaker 5: and he's got the huge website, and then it's going 320 00:18:34,680 --> 00:18:36,439 Speaker 5: to go back to Tyler. Tyler is going to use it. 321 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:37,760 Speaker 5: I'm going to get a copy and I'm going to 322 00:18:37,800 --> 00:18:41,520 Speaker 5: put it out. And so as we go forward, Burlison 323 00:18:41,600 --> 00:18:45,800 Speaker 5: has given the full informator to a new witness is 324 00:18:45,920 --> 00:18:49,639 Speaker 5: testifying next. He has the witness statements everyone does of 325 00:18:49,680 --> 00:18:52,400 Speaker 5: the other witnesses, and we are now in a position 326 00:18:52,560 --> 00:18:55,280 Speaker 5: if they agree to do it, to put five nuclear 327 00:18:55,359 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 5: weapons tampering witnesses. And I'm going to throw in George Knapp, hello, 328 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:04,000 Speaker 5: all right, bring him back under oath, and that is 329 00:19:04,080 --> 00:19:07,040 Speaker 5: going to blow the lid off. And the DoD knows it, 330 00:19:07,080 --> 00:19:10,600 Speaker 5: and the DoD is absolutely terrified. And so one of 331 00:19:10,640 --> 00:19:14,600 Speaker 5: the ways they tried to push back stupidly is they'd 332 00:19:14,640 --> 00:19:18,000 Speaker 5: actually went after Bob SaaS by by providing a whole 333 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 5: bunch of interviews to the Wall Street Journal to two 334 00:19:21,119 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 5: of their relative you know, I don't think they were 335 00:19:24,040 --> 00:19:27,920 Speaker 5: senior national security reporters, and that turned up a while back. 336 00:19:28,040 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 5: You may remember they tried to explain the phenomenon is 337 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,119 Speaker 5: stuff that they were doing. They tried to explain the 338 00:19:34,160 --> 00:19:37,720 Speaker 5: shutdowns is a giant emp thing to test the witnesses, 339 00:19:37,840 --> 00:19:41,239 Speaker 5: which was completely false and undermined within days. And then 340 00:19:41,280 --> 00:19:44,159 Speaker 5: they went after Bob Sallas. Obviously he got it wrong. 341 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:46,800 Speaker 6: So he wrote a nice piece rebutting that. 342 00:19:47,320 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 5: And sent it to the Wall Street Journal, who absolutely 343 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:52,760 Speaker 5: should have published it. They didn't publish it. They wouldn't 344 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,160 Speaker 5: publish anything. This is to their disgrace. Did they were 345 00:19:56,200 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 5: they were they complicit or they were they take an advantage, 346 00:19:59,440 --> 00:20:02,400 Speaker 5: doesn't matter. But the most important point is people need 347 00:20:02,440 --> 00:20:05,760 Speaker 5: to know these witnesses, and that here implos this thing 348 00:20:05,840 --> 00:20:08,719 Speaker 5: sky high and the DoD is terrified of it. 349 00:20:08,920 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 4: Steve, we're going to take a quick break here, we 350 00:20:10,480 --> 00:20:12,280 Speaker 4: come back. We're going to talk to you more and 351 00:20:12,359 --> 00:20:14,440 Speaker 4: find out how the coverage of this event has been 352 00:20:14,480 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 4: portrayed in the media. You're listening to Beyond Contact on 353 00:20:17,800 --> 00:20:38,960 Speaker 4: the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast AM Paranormal podcast network. 354 00:20:39,680 --> 00:20:43,000 Speaker 4: We are back on Beyond Contact or speak with Steve Bassett. Steve, 355 00:20:43,080 --> 00:20:46,320 Speaker 4: how has this been portrayed in the media so far? 356 00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:48,080 Speaker 4: I know you have your finger on the pulse of that. 357 00:20:48,080 --> 00:20:51,400 Speaker 4: You're always counting articles. This looks good, that looks How 358 00:20:51,400 --> 00:20:53,119 Speaker 4: did they cover this hearing? 359 00:20:53,600 --> 00:20:58,840 Speaker 5: Well, I've already logged in about sixty five articles again 360 00:20:59,000 --> 00:21:02,200 Speaker 5: mainstream press ribble of stuff, all right, and I hope 361 00:21:02,640 --> 00:21:05,720 Speaker 5: I hope to have those up on my website, Paradigm 362 00:21:05,720 --> 00:21:07,880 Speaker 5: Research Group, and so you can literally go read them. 363 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:10,680 Speaker 5: All right. But here's the most important thing about that. 364 00:21:11,520 --> 00:21:13,440 Speaker 5: There was something that it took place at the hearing 365 00:21:13,480 --> 00:21:15,680 Speaker 5: that I'm not a fan of. I wish they wouldn't 366 00:21:15,720 --> 00:21:20,000 Speaker 5: do it, but this happens. I understand why. But they 367 00:21:20,080 --> 00:21:24,160 Speaker 5: put out a fairly provocative video. There's always at least 368 00:21:24,400 --> 00:21:28,560 Speaker 5: one provocative video or maybe a photo that they sort 369 00:21:28,560 --> 00:21:32,800 Speaker 5: of include in the here. I understand it gets people excited, 370 00:21:32,800 --> 00:21:35,640 Speaker 5: it gets eyeballs and so forth, but it is probably 371 00:21:35,680 --> 00:21:36,200 Speaker 5: a mistake. 372 00:21:36,359 --> 00:21:38,920 Speaker 6: Why this is the one Burleson brought right. 373 00:21:38,960 --> 00:21:44,560 Speaker 5: This is Burlesson in this case because one, they're never definitive. 374 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,280 Speaker 5: I mean they're never like, oh right, okay, I mean 375 00:21:47,320 --> 00:21:49,680 Speaker 5: if you've got if you've got some dcent the ets 376 00:21:50,320 --> 00:21:52,120 Speaker 5: having a meeting in one of their craft and you're 377 00:21:52,119 --> 00:21:54,199 Speaker 5: in there with three cameras checking it. Yeah, but no, 378 00:21:54,240 --> 00:21:57,560 Speaker 5: it's never definitive. It's put up. Millions of people are 379 00:21:57,560 --> 00:22:00,359 Speaker 5: going to see this, thousands and thousands of them with 380 00:22:00,520 --> 00:22:03,840 Speaker 5: substantial capability to immediately research the hell out of it, 381 00:22:04,080 --> 00:22:08,000 Speaker 5: and if they should actually debunk it, it's a huge negative, okay. 382 00:22:08,760 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 5: But more importantly, it distracts away from the major testimony. 383 00:22:12,960 --> 00:22:15,960 Speaker 5: And so of the sixty or seventy articles so far, 384 00:22:16,720 --> 00:22:20,600 Speaker 5: at least seventy five percent are about the video and 385 00:22:20,760 --> 00:22:24,720 Speaker 5: not about the testimony. Okay, that's point number one. Are 386 00:22:24,720 --> 00:22:29,359 Speaker 5: they positive? Absolutely, these articles are treating it seriously. They're 387 00:22:29,359 --> 00:22:32,119 Speaker 5: showing everything that needs to be shown. The witness are 388 00:22:32,160 --> 00:22:36,200 Speaker 5: being handled, and of course everything that's important, such as 389 00:22:36,240 --> 00:22:40,680 Speaker 5: the George Knapps research and so forth, is going to 390 00:22:40,760 --> 00:22:43,440 Speaker 5: get somewhere. Right, So you're talking about a broad spectrum, 391 00:22:43,640 --> 00:22:46,800 Speaker 5: dozens of media outlets, and so the stuff is out there, 392 00:22:46,840 --> 00:22:48,840 Speaker 5: and of course it's going to be and it's going 393 00:22:48,880 --> 00:22:50,879 Speaker 5: to probably end up being about one hundred and fifty 394 00:22:50,920 --> 00:22:54,480 Speaker 5: articles by the end of the week. And I'm going 395 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:57,119 Speaker 5: to log them all in, all the important stuff, the 396 00:22:57,240 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 5: appropriate stuf, appropriate stuff. I can't do every thing because 397 00:23:00,960 --> 00:23:03,360 Speaker 5: you take all of the potential media that actually turns 398 00:23:03,440 --> 00:23:06,400 Speaker 5: up on the web on this it's journalism. I could 399 00:23:06,400 --> 00:23:09,040 Speaker 5: put up six hundred articles. I'm not going to do that, Okay. 400 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:12,400 Speaker 5: So the media coverage is good, uh, and I expect 401 00:23:12,640 --> 00:23:16,120 Speaker 5: that it will remain very good and the public will 402 00:23:16,119 --> 00:23:18,959 Speaker 5: get a pretty good view of the entire range of testimony. 403 00:23:20,080 --> 00:23:24,560 Speaker 5: So moving on to other witnesses. Uh oh oh. The 404 00:23:24,600 --> 00:23:27,520 Speaker 5: other thing about this hearing that you need to understand, 405 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,119 Speaker 5: and this comes under a strategy. They had a terrible 406 00:23:31,119 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 5: time getting witnesses for the May the May hearing they 407 00:23:34,480 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 5: wanted and also skiffs. What they like to do is 408 00:23:37,600 --> 00:23:39,440 Speaker 5: a skiff, then a hearing, and then a skiff and 409 00:23:39,440 --> 00:23:41,359 Speaker 5: a hearing, skiff and a hearing. It couldn't get it. 410 00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:45,760 Speaker 5: And the reason is that stuff has gotten complicated, right, 411 00:23:45,840 --> 00:23:49,360 Speaker 5: there's been pushed back, as you know, and so and 412 00:23:50,080 --> 00:23:54,399 Speaker 5: certain you know, certain promises of enhanced witness protection legislation 413 00:23:54,720 --> 00:23:58,480 Speaker 5: hasn't developed yet. In fact, another bill I believe submitted 414 00:23:58,480 --> 00:24:00,760 Speaker 5: along those lines by birch At I don't think made it. 415 00:24:01,760 --> 00:24:05,639 Speaker 5: And the UAP Disclosure Act, which has I think some 416 00:24:05,720 --> 00:24:09,080 Speaker 5: more of that has still not been able to get 417 00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:11,200 Speaker 5: back in though I can talk about that. We'll probably 418 00:24:11,240 --> 00:24:12,080 Speaker 5: finish up on that. 419 00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, that is a component of that thing. Listen, while 420 00:24:14,640 --> 00:24:16,119 Speaker 4: you're talking about the skiff, I want to bring this 421 00:24:16,200 --> 00:24:18,320 Speaker 4: up with you. What about this whole mess of the 422 00:24:18,320 --> 00:24:22,960 Speaker 4: skiff that one guy kept saying, I can't talk about 423 00:24:22,960 --> 00:24:25,560 Speaker 4: it here, I can only talk in the skiff. And 424 00:24:25,600 --> 00:24:28,880 Speaker 4: then he brought up but that's only if you get clearance. 425 00:24:28,480 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 6: To talk there. Well, that's that's the way. 426 00:24:30,240 --> 00:24:33,040 Speaker 4: It is a barrier for them to get to the 427 00:24:33,080 --> 00:24:36,080 Speaker 4: information because the congress people can't even ask how's that 428 00:24:36,119 --> 00:24:36,680 Speaker 4: whole thing work? 429 00:24:36,800 --> 00:24:38,880 Speaker 5: Well, no, it's always been that way, he simply point 430 00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,280 Speaker 5: that's something has always been the case. The way it 431 00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 5: is is you can you go into a skiff so 432 00:24:44,760 --> 00:24:48,880 Speaker 5: that there is absolute full security that nobody can pick 433 00:24:48,920 --> 00:24:51,159 Speaker 5: it up. Okay, I'm pretty sure you have to leave 434 00:24:51,200 --> 00:24:52,720 Speaker 5: yourself at the tour. 435 00:24:52,760 --> 00:24:55,119 Speaker 6: Right, But you can't talk to a congressman if he 436 00:24:55,119 --> 00:24:55,920 Speaker 6: doesn't have clearance. 437 00:24:56,000 --> 00:24:59,320 Speaker 5: Right, But once you go into the skiff, whatever is 438 00:24:59,320 --> 00:25:02,119 Speaker 5: going to be discussed us. The person that you're talking 439 00:25:02,160 --> 00:25:03,920 Speaker 5: to has to have the clearance and the person that's 440 00:25:03,920 --> 00:25:07,240 Speaker 5: doing the interview has to have clearance, and that varies. 441 00:25:07,600 --> 00:25:11,640 Speaker 5: So the ultimate, well, a very high level skiff would 442 00:25:11,680 --> 00:25:14,560 Speaker 5: be one of the Gang of Eight, such as Schumer. 443 00:25:14,720 --> 00:25:17,000 Speaker 5: You're the chairman of the Intel Committee, you're chairman of 444 00:25:17,000 --> 00:25:20,080 Speaker 5: the Armed Services Committee. You have an extremely high clearance 445 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:22,639 Speaker 5: and so if somebody's in there, you're going to be 446 00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,560 Speaker 5: able to pretty much talk about anything that person has 447 00:25:25,600 --> 00:25:28,480 Speaker 5: a clearance to say. And so the skiff has always 448 00:25:28,480 --> 00:25:32,600 Speaker 5: has value, absolutely and so so the ideas have a 449 00:25:32,640 --> 00:25:36,280 Speaker 5: skiff and go in and be able to discuss ahead 450 00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,199 Speaker 5: of time that you have clearance for I mean in 451 00:25:38,200 --> 00:25:41,240 Speaker 5: there words everbody's got clearance, fine, but you would like 452 00:25:41,320 --> 00:25:43,320 Speaker 5: to talk to that person ahead of time, so you 453 00:25:43,440 --> 00:25:46,439 Speaker 5: have a sense of how to structure the hearing, know 454 00:25:46,480 --> 00:25:49,080 Speaker 5: what to expect. You know, this isn't a crapshoot. You 455 00:25:49,119 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 5: just don't bring some people in and say, hey, let's 456 00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:51,600 Speaker 5: see what happens. 457 00:25:51,720 --> 00:25:52,159 Speaker 6: What do you go? 458 00:25:52,760 --> 00:25:56,240 Speaker 5: And so that's the purpose of the skiff and and 459 00:25:57,000 --> 00:26:00,960 Speaker 5: if if you go and watch this hearing again, this 460 00:26:01,119 --> 00:26:06,080 Speaker 5: was the whistleblower come see this meeting, okay. In other words, 461 00:26:06,080 --> 00:26:09,000 Speaker 5: there was a huge emphasis on the whistleblowers and whistleblower 462 00:26:09,119 --> 00:26:13,080 Speaker 5: testimony in this hearing deliberately in order to show that 463 00:26:13,160 --> 00:26:15,399 Speaker 5: they are dressing it and they know about it. And 464 00:26:15,480 --> 00:26:19,439 Speaker 5: probably the most significant maneuver they made, and this was touching, 465 00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:24,480 Speaker 5: is they brought on an Air Force of Air Force 466 00:26:24,640 --> 00:26:26,960 Speaker 5: that might have been an officer, but a person working 467 00:26:26,960 --> 00:26:30,320 Speaker 5: in high level Air force stuff named Borland. And his 468 00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:36,240 Speaker 5: message was pretty straightforward. I came forward internally with information, 469 00:26:36,359 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 5: wanted to talk about information, talking to whoever regarding crash vehicles, 470 00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:47,160 Speaker 5: crash bodies, and they decided to make I think, an 471 00:26:47,160 --> 00:26:51,320 Speaker 5: example of him. Now, they can't make an example of 472 00:26:51,400 --> 00:26:54,719 Speaker 5: every single person working in programs classification status because they 473 00:26:55,040 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 5: say something at lunch they shouldn't say, because they basically 474 00:26:58,640 --> 00:27:02,680 Speaker 5: create chaos. What they do is they will pick somebody 475 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,880 Speaker 5: and crush them and they expect everybody else to notice this, 476 00:27:07,160 --> 00:27:09,159 Speaker 5: meaning you see what happened to so and so, And 477 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:13,159 Speaker 5: apparently mister Borland I forget is I kept bringing up 478 00:27:13,200 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 5: on he he was crushed. And so he's in there 479 00:27:17,560 --> 00:27:20,080 Speaker 5: saying I said this, and I said that, and they 480 00:27:20,160 --> 00:27:24,879 Speaker 5: came at me and they destroyed me. Okay, took away Clarences, 481 00:27:24,960 --> 00:27:25,960 Speaker 5: took away position. 482 00:27:27,480 --> 00:27:29,240 Speaker 6: You can't get a job income. 483 00:27:29,720 --> 00:27:31,679 Speaker 5: Of course, he's got no he's lost his clearance, he 484 00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:35,919 Speaker 5: can't go into the program, and essentially he's persona non grata. 485 00:27:36,000 --> 00:27:37,919 Speaker 5: He can't get a job, he's running out of money, 486 00:27:38,000 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 5: and his life has fallen apart. Now and then he 487 00:27:40,880 --> 00:27:44,000 Speaker 5: actually gets a little emotional. Now let's think about this 488 00:27:44,040 --> 00:27:46,919 Speaker 5: for a second. He doesn't have to do that. He 489 00:27:46,960 --> 00:27:48,639 Speaker 5: just needs to go in front. I mean, I mean, 490 00:27:48,680 --> 00:27:52,880 Speaker 5: I'm not saying I'm not saying this potential benefit for him, 491 00:27:52,920 --> 00:27:55,440 Speaker 5: but again, this is not easy to do. These men 492 00:27:55,480 --> 00:27:57,639 Speaker 5: are proud. So he's actually go in front of the 493 00:27:57,680 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 5: millions of people are going to watch this and talk 494 00:28:00,080 --> 00:28:02,520 Speaker 5: about how his life has been ruined and he's about 495 00:28:02,520 --> 00:28:09,520 Speaker 5: to be evicted. Right, accept that he made the point 496 00:28:09,560 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 5: as well as anybody could. We need more protection. We 497 00:28:14,040 --> 00:28:16,760 Speaker 5: got some you're doing help, we need more, and I'm 498 00:28:16,800 --> 00:28:20,359 Speaker 5: an example of what goes wrong. And so that was 499 00:28:20,440 --> 00:28:24,760 Speaker 5: a powerful statement. And let me close that point with this. 500 00:28:25,560 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 5: I'm gonna make you a bet that already right now, 501 00:28:30,359 --> 00:28:32,720 Speaker 5: and I could do it myself, but it would not 502 00:28:32,840 --> 00:28:35,960 Speaker 5: be appropriate for a number of reasons not to mention 503 00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:37,840 Speaker 5: that there are people far better at this than I. 504 00:28:37,960 --> 00:28:39,800 Speaker 5: They have the resources, and they have other things they 505 00:28:39,840 --> 00:28:43,080 Speaker 5: can do that a GoFundMe, maybe more than one, has 506 00:28:43,120 --> 00:28:47,120 Speaker 5: already been set up for this gentleman Borland, and it 507 00:28:47,120 --> 00:28:50,520 Speaker 5: wouldn't surprise me. Within three or four weeks there's fifty 508 00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,240 Speaker 5: or sixty thousand dollars for this fellow, and that will 509 00:28:53,240 --> 00:28:56,120 Speaker 5: allow him to stabilize his life, get things in order 510 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,440 Speaker 5: so we can decide what to do, and also get 511 00:28:59,520 --> 00:29:01,800 Speaker 5: him in a position where if this issue finally gets 512 00:29:01,840 --> 00:29:04,200 Speaker 5: on the other side of the lie, there might be 513 00:29:04,240 --> 00:29:06,760 Speaker 5: a place for this gentleman to work in the post 514 00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:09,640 Speaker 5: disclosure world. So there was that, but they were and 515 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:12,360 Speaker 5: then you had a fellow, the fellow Spielberger, who was 516 00:29:12,560 --> 00:29:15,560 Speaker 5: who was essentially part of a brand new organization they 517 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 5: keep turning up faster than I can keep track called 518 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:22,480 Speaker 5: Pogo right ye pre program for oversight, And one of 519 00:29:22,480 --> 00:29:26,480 Speaker 5: the key fundamental projects a're working on is whistle protection right, 520 00:29:27,040 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 5: very elaborate, very sophistic that is in there, right, and 521 00:29:30,680 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 5: then then, uh, the the problem with witnesses to come 522 00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:37,080 Speaker 5: forward came up in some of the other testimony, all right, 523 00:29:37,160 --> 00:29:39,320 Speaker 5: So this was very and then and then and they 524 00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 5: also talked about it on the on the data, so 525 00:29:41,440 --> 00:29:44,840 Speaker 5: that the the the members were talking about it. So 526 00:29:44,960 --> 00:29:47,520 Speaker 5: that was one of the key strategies. 527 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:48,840 Speaker 6: Of this meeting. That's great. 528 00:29:48,840 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 4: See if we're going to hold it right there, and 529 00:29:50,440 --> 00:29:52,160 Speaker 4: we're going to talk to you on the other side 530 00:29:52,160 --> 00:29:55,160 Speaker 4: of the break about what's next in Congress. You're listening 531 00:29:55,200 --> 00:29:57,600 Speaker 4: to Beyond Contact on the iHeartRadio and Coast to Coast 532 00:29:57,720 --> 00:30:21,320 Speaker 4: AM Paranormal podcast network. We are back on Beyond Contact 533 00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:23,520 Speaker 4: speaking with Steve Bassett for our final segment. 534 00:30:23,760 --> 00:30:25,080 Speaker 6: Go ahead, Steve, what are you going to say? 535 00:30:25,440 --> 00:30:27,800 Speaker 5: All right, let's cover the other witnesses real quickly. Down 536 00:30:27,840 --> 00:30:29,640 Speaker 5: on the end of the far right was Nuto selling 537 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:34,840 Speaker 5: So his his his, his testimony was important because it 538 00:30:34,920 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 5: was a very significant sighting over Vandenberg. Now, there's been 539 00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:41,960 Speaker 5: a lot of multiple witness happening at Vandenberg, for sure, 540 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:44,680 Speaker 5: but this is the first time that I'm aware of 541 00:30:44,680 --> 00:30:46,840 Speaker 5: that somebody has come forward one of the significant band. 542 00:30:47,120 --> 00:30:49,480 Speaker 5: This is a very important base, right very significant base, 543 00:30:49,640 --> 00:30:52,200 Speaker 5: and it's it's a hell of a signing. Multiple people 544 00:30:52,280 --> 00:30:54,920 Speaker 5: saw it, and so that was into the record. But 545 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 5: what he didn't say, but I know, is that one 546 00:30:59,320 --> 00:31:02,480 Speaker 5: of the things that happens at Vandenburg, which I think 547 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:05,960 Speaker 5: was happening at the time of his sighting, is Vandenburg 548 00:31:06,080 --> 00:31:09,440 Speaker 5: is where they test the missiles that end up in 549 00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:14,720 Speaker 5: the silos with the nuclear warhead audience. Okay, And of 550 00:31:14,720 --> 00:31:17,880 Speaker 5: course they got they all got turned off, those silos 551 00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,240 Speaker 5: got shut down, and so there's a direct connection between 552 00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:25,440 Speaker 5: Vandenburg and the ICBM missiles, and so they're turning up 553 00:31:25,480 --> 00:31:30,160 Speaker 5: over there. Notable. And then you had Chief Wiggins. Very 554 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:36,080 Speaker 5: interesting Navy first time, I think, so my graves, well, you. 555 00:31:36,040 --> 00:31:38,040 Speaker 6: Know, Galadet was. 556 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:40,040 Speaker 5: Those were Navy pilots, weren't they they're Navy. 557 00:31:40,080 --> 00:31:42,160 Speaker 6: But but but he's the first active. 558 00:31:41,920 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 5: Duty Okay, that's a good point. Okay, So Wiggers comes 559 00:31:45,280 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 5: forward and yeah, he's active duty because they made it 560 00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:51,320 Speaker 5: very clear he's coming for it on his own personal basis, 561 00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 5: not on the basis of the Navy. They're good which 562 00:31:53,920 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 5: race is the point? Well, I guess the Navy allowed 563 00:31:56,480 --> 00:32:00,320 Speaker 5: them to do this. Interesting Okay, And this this guy 564 00:32:00,440 --> 00:32:02,920 Speaker 5: was nuts and bolt sharp as attack, and he's giving 565 00:32:03,320 --> 00:32:06,120 Speaker 5: testimony about things that happened, but he's able to go 566 00:32:06,160 --> 00:32:08,880 Speaker 5: into all of the equipment and the tech and everything else. 567 00:32:09,360 --> 00:32:12,400 Speaker 5: Very impressive. The kind of thing that high level people 568 00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:16,040 Speaker 5: in Congress, people particularly former military they're serving in Congress, 569 00:32:16,040 --> 00:32:19,479 Speaker 5: they're going to respect very strong testimony. All right, then 570 00:32:19,520 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 5: you've got Nap, and then you have of course Orland. 571 00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 5: I've talked about that, and then you have a Spielberger 572 00:32:27,560 --> 00:32:30,880 Speaker 5: which is getting into again legal stuff and everything else. 573 00:32:31,360 --> 00:32:34,960 Speaker 5: But I encourage people read all the witness, watch it all, 574 00:32:35,400 --> 00:32:38,040 Speaker 5: and then try to put it into a package that 575 00:32:38,160 --> 00:32:42,080 Speaker 5: has multiple facets that appeals to a different range of 576 00:32:42,160 --> 00:32:45,440 Speaker 5: interest as well as media and so forth. And you're 577 00:32:45,480 --> 00:32:50,760 Speaker 5: seeing a masterful hearing which is going to make a 578 00:32:51,160 --> 00:32:56,200 Speaker 5: big difference. Okay, now, the other thing I want to 579 00:32:56,240 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 5: bring up the data is the UAP Disclosure Act. God 580 00:32:58,960 --> 00:33:01,680 Speaker 5: bless the UAP discloses your act. This is the new 581 00:33:01,800 --> 00:33:07,360 Speaker 5: This is basically the Shumer Rounds bipartisan mega project to 582 00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:10,640 Speaker 5: take this thing to another level. And let me be clear, 583 00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 5: the UAP Disclosure Act is an essential plank or piece 584 00:33:16,720 --> 00:33:20,600 Speaker 5: of the platform. It allows a president to step forward 585 00:33:20,720 --> 00:33:24,280 Speaker 5: on that platform in the Oval Office or the East 586 00:33:24,360 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 5: Room of the White House and basically say I'm your 587 00:33:27,920 --> 00:33:31,800 Speaker 5: denight to tell you, yes, this is true, it's real, 588 00:33:32,440 --> 00:33:36,440 Speaker 5: it is non human in origin, it is present, and 589 00:33:37,280 --> 00:33:39,400 Speaker 5: I am going to make sure that the top people 590 00:33:39,440 --> 00:33:41,720 Speaker 5: are available to the press and there will be more 591 00:33:41,760 --> 00:33:45,200 Speaker 5: hearings and we're going to engage this. That is disclosure. 592 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:50,640 Speaker 5: It's over, and that's it. Disclosure has done. The UAP 593 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:53,760 Speaker 5: Disclosure Act is absolutely key in so many ways because 594 00:33:53,760 --> 00:33:56,960 Speaker 5: it is the total package that once disclosure is done, 595 00:33:57,120 --> 00:33:59,200 Speaker 5: that all the stuff is going to come out in 596 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:03,280 Speaker 5: the post disclosure world will will fall. There is some already, 597 00:34:03,440 --> 00:34:07,240 Speaker 5: but not under the EAP Disclosure Act, under the Act 598 00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:10,439 Speaker 5: that was left when they cut it in half back 599 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:13,840 Speaker 5: in twenty twenty three. Since then, there have been three 600 00:34:13,960 --> 00:34:18,200 Speaker 5: more efforts to put this act out again, as is 601 00:34:18,200 --> 00:34:20,600 Speaker 5: another Reshuman arounds are basically saying we're just going to 602 00:34:20,680 --> 00:34:21,920 Speaker 5: keep submitting until you pass it. 603 00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:24,359 Speaker 6: Okay, I love that because that normally doesn't happen, right. 604 00:34:24,280 --> 00:34:27,040 Speaker 5: Steve, And no, it never happens. But it's a message 605 00:34:27,080 --> 00:34:29,399 Speaker 5: as much as it is the act, so that would 606 00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:33,480 Speaker 5: be essential. It's appropriate. However, there's enough of that platform 607 00:34:33,600 --> 00:34:38,680 Speaker 5: built now, and so here is where it's at. It 608 00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,160 Speaker 5: was submitted in twenty twenty three, was cut in half. 609 00:34:41,600 --> 00:34:43,880 Speaker 5: All the powers were taken, but we'll take it, okay. 610 00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:46,320 Speaker 5: It was resubmitted the next year as an amendment to 611 00:34:46,400 --> 00:34:49,160 Speaker 5: kind of get around reconciliation an up or down vote 612 00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,799 Speaker 5: to us put it into the NBA. You do it 613 00:34:51,840 --> 00:34:53,240 Speaker 5: in the House, you do it in the Senate. 614 00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:53,720 Speaker 6: Okay. 615 00:34:54,280 --> 00:34:57,400 Speaker 5: They submitted it that way. However, the amendment process is 616 00:34:57,440 --> 00:35:01,480 Speaker 5: different from the state, from the inclusion the NBA. There 617 00:35:01,480 --> 00:35:05,360 Speaker 5: are few chairs of committees that can just block it, okay, 618 00:35:05,600 --> 00:35:07,920 Speaker 5: and they did and so okay, so they had to 619 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:09,919 Speaker 5: back off. They could have withdrew it, but that would 620 00:35:09,920 --> 00:35:13,239 Speaker 5: have been you know, it would have been awkward. It 621 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:16,640 Speaker 5: would in a defeat as an example of defeat. So 622 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:20,319 Speaker 5: they took the face saving approach and said, well, one 623 00:35:20,320 --> 00:35:22,160 Speaker 5: of the staff are screwed up and didn't submit it 624 00:35:22,200 --> 00:35:25,040 Speaker 5: in time, and so it can't make it fine, no problem, 625 00:35:25,320 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 5: And so that didn't happen, and then this year they 626 00:35:28,000 --> 00:35:32,120 Speaker 5: resubmitted again as an amendment. Okay. And the reason they 627 00:35:32,560 --> 00:35:35,880 Speaker 5: tried the amendment approach is a lot had happened Okay, 628 00:35:35,880 --> 00:35:39,440 Speaker 5: in that time, right, a lot more progress make it 629 00:35:39,480 --> 00:35:42,000 Speaker 5: maybe a little more difficult for a chairman of a 630 00:35:42,080 --> 00:35:46,480 Speaker 5: committee to block it. But Burlison, remember Burlson, agreed to 631 00:35:46,680 --> 00:35:49,160 Speaker 5: co sponsor it, which gives it a little more possibility. 632 00:35:49,600 --> 00:35:53,320 Speaker 5: And so they they went that roach. It was approach approach, 633 00:35:53,360 --> 00:35:56,719 Speaker 5: It was submitted, Burlison sponsored it. But then it had 634 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:58,560 Speaker 5: to go in what is called mark up. And this 635 00:35:58,640 --> 00:36:01,520 Speaker 5: is this is where you know, a bunch of staffers 636 00:36:01,560 --> 00:36:03,600 Speaker 5: have got to go through all one thousand amendments and 637 00:36:03,640 --> 00:36:05,000 Speaker 5: go through and check them out for this and that 638 00:36:05,040 --> 00:36:07,560 Speaker 5: and everything, and somehow they decided this thing has got 639 00:36:07,560 --> 00:36:09,879 Speaker 5: too many problems. It ain't going to get in all right, 640 00:36:10,239 --> 00:36:12,560 Speaker 5: And so that was that was the third That was 641 00:36:12,600 --> 00:36:17,920 Speaker 5: a one two as the second one. And then so 642 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:22,719 Speaker 5: what they did, right is they resubmitted again. They're going 643 00:36:22,719 --> 00:36:26,320 Speaker 5: to Schulmer apparently it is going to resubmit it again 644 00:36:26,400 --> 00:36:29,440 Speaker 5: into the NDAA. They're going to try to get consentive 645 00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,799 Speaker 5: voted in. So now it's in the big bill which 646 00:36:32,840 --> 00:36:36,000 Speaker 5: goes to the House, where anything in that big bill 647 00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,440 Speaker 5: that they don't want has got to go into reconciliation. Again. 648 00:36:39,920 --> 00:36:43,200 Speaker 5: Going back to twenty twenty three, except this time everybody 649 00:36:43,239 --> 00:36:46,160 Speaker 5: knows what happened before. Everybody knows. If they want to 650 00:36:46,160 --> 00:36:49,520 Speaker 5: play that game and start putting pressure to gut the bill, 651 00:36:49,800 --> 00:36:54,280 Speaker 5: it's going to be absolutely transparent, and maybe they won't, okay, 652 00:36:54,280 --> 00:36:58,319 Speaker 5: And that's where it's at now. I can't say if 653 00:36:58,360 --> 00:37:02,280 Speaker 5: it'll happen. But I can say is if that bill 654 00:37:02,800 --> 00:37:07,320 Speaker 5: goes in with a modest amount of changes but nothing serious, 655 00:37:08,080 --> 00:37:10,680 Speaker 5: and it goes up for a vote in the House, 656 00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:13,759 Speaker 5: we may be there. And why is that Because it 657 00:37:13,840 --> 00:37:17,360 Speaker 5: is the NDAA bill and you would literally have to 658 00:37:17,440 --> 00:37:20,759 Speaker 5: vote against the NDA bill where you will be immediately 659 00:37:20,800 --> 00:37:24,360 Speaker 5: asked why and you're going to have to say why, 660 00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:26,400 Speaker 5: and you're going to have to say, well, I cannot 661 00:37:26,400 --> 00:37:31,480 Speaker 5: accept the UAP disclosure section. And so that's where we're at. 662 00:37:31,840 --> 00:37:33,399 Speaker 5: The year is still young. 663 00:37:33,560 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 4: Yeah, we got a little bit of the time. Well 664 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:36,840 Speaker 4: what's next? You think you think they're going to subpoena 665 00:37:37,760 --> 00:37:38,600 Speaker 4: Sean Kirkpatord. 666 00:37:39,480 --> 00:37:42,720 Speaker 5: No, we don't want to get into subpoenas. The moment 667 00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,840 Speaker 5: you get into subpoenas, you've gone contentious. In other words, 668 00:37:45,880 --> 00:37:48,279 Speaker 5: you're basically you know, putting the message out. Look, you're 669 00:37:48,280 --> 00:37:49,600 Speaker 5: going to have to come in. You're going to have 670 00:37:49,680 --> 00:37:52,200 Speaker 5: to testify under oath. And if you can't testify or 671 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,040 Speaker 5: don't want to, you're going to have to take the 672 00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,919 Speaker 5: you know, take the whatever the hell you can't talk 673 00:37:57,960 --> 00:38:00,359 Speaker 5: about it if it's not a classified man or you're 674 00:38:00,360 --> 00:38:03,120 Speaker 5: a literally taking the fifth And then and if you 675 00:38:03,160 --> 00:38:06,239 Speaker 5: subpoena just regular witnesses because you just want them, which 676 00:38:06,280 --> 00:38:09,120 Speaker 5: they could have done, now you're putting them on the spot. 677 00:38:09,200 --> 00:38:12,520 Speaker 5: You're putting them between in the middle between there the 678 00:38:12,560 --> 00:38:15,520 Speaker 5: oath they just took in their NDAA. You're just really 679 00:38:15,560 --> 00:38:18,640 Speaker 5: creating a hostile environment. It is a lose lose situation. 680 00:38:18,719 --> 00:38:20,319 Speaker 5: So we don't want to go there. We want to 681 00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 5: not have to use any subpoenas on this, and we 682 00:38:23,239 --> 00:38:26,000 Speaker 5: don't want to get into a fight about the pushback 683 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:30,920 Speaker 5: right and start getting angry, because that what what? Then 684 00:38:31,000 --> 00:38:33,640 Speaker 5: we need to keep the focus on a simple thing. 685 00:38:34,440 --> 00:38:39,120 Speaker 5: We need to keep having testimony come forward until and 686 00:38:39,600 --> 00:38:42,520 Speaker 5: hopefully a UAP Disclosure Act, which all could happen soon, 687 00:38:43,239 --> 00:38:46,600 Speaker 5: and get that out of the way. And then people 688 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,960 Speaker 5: inside Congress, particularly the right committees, need to be contacting 689 00:38:50,000 --> 00:38:53,560 Speaker 5: the White House and whatever way they have access and saying, look, 690 00:38:53,560 --> 00:38:56,520 Speaker 5: we pretty much got it set up. We would appreciate it, 691 00:38:56,600 --> 00:38:57,719 Speaker 5: the president would take action. 692 00:38:58,239 --> 00:39:00,000 Speaker 4: So ay, we are out of time. Steve, You're right, 693 00:39:00,480 --> 00:39:03,000 Speaker 4: but thank you so much for the update. Really appreciate it. 694 00:39:03,000 --> 00:39:05,600 Speaker 4: It's exciting. Hopefully some more good stuff's coming in the future. 695 00:39:05,880 --> 00:39:09,000 Speaker 4: You can find Steve at Paradigm Researchgroup dot org. 696 00:39:09,040 --> 00:39:10,799 Speaker 6: He's got a lot of good articles on there too. 697 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:12,960 Speaker 6: You can keep up with everything from that website. 698 00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:15,719 Speaker 4: You can find me on Twitter and Instagram at CID 699 00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:20,400 Speaker 4: Underscore Captain Ron. 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