WEBVTT - The Diddy Trial: “It Just Gets Better and Better” 0:00:01.760 --> 0:00:02.360 Hey there, folks. 0:00:02.400 --> 0:00:05.880 It's Tuesday, June twenty fourth. We are in the seventh 0:00:05.920 --> 0:00:09.280 week of testimony in the Diddy trial, and as we speak, 0:00:09.360 --> 0:00:13.400 the final witness of the trial is on the stand. 0:00:13.480 --> 0:00:16.560 Welcome to this Ditty update edition of Amy and TJ 0:00:16.880 --> 0:00:19.400 and Robes has been seven weeks. It's weird to say 0:00:19.440 --> 0:00:22.200 this is the last guy where're going to hear from. 0:00:22.280 --> 0:00:25.240 That's right, and right now he is being cross examined 0:00:25.400 --> 0:00:29.560 by Ditty's defense attorneys, and once that cross examination is over, 0:00:30.200 --> 0:00:33.120 that's it. It's it's hard to imagine, but yes, the 0:00:33.120 --> 0:00:35.480 defense says it will rest. It is not calling any 0:00:35.479 --> 0:00:38.279 witnesses to the stand. So what we're hearing from this 0:00:38.320 --> 0:00:42.680 homeland security agent is the end of the evidence for 0:00:42.720 --> 0:00:43.839 the jurors to consider. 0:00:44.560 --> 0:00:46.200 Are they going out I don't know, with a bang 0:00:46.240 --> 0:00:50.040 with a third I don't know, because there have been 0:00:50.040 --> 0:00:54.040 so many explosive witnesses and explosive testimony that it seems 0:00:54.080 --> 0:00:58.320 like a guy going through hotel receipts, some text messages, 0:00:58.440 --> 0:01:01.840 some travel itineraries, like boring stuff, but is important stuff. 0:01:01.960 --> 0:01:02.280 I think. 0:01:02.480 --> 0:01:05.280 Honestly, if you look at what the prosecution presented on 0:01:05.319 --> 0:01:07.679 Friday and yesterday, it was kind of boring. He was 0:01:07.680 --> 0:01:10.280 connecting the dots. He was saying, did he paid for this? 0:01:10.520 --> 0:01:13.680 Did he paid for that? But now with the defense 0:01:13.760 --> 0:01:15.800 cross examining him, I think it's a little bit more 0:01:15.800 --> 0:01:21.640 interesting because they are actually reading text messages between Ditty 0:01:22.000 --> 0:01:27.520 and Jane right now, and also between Jane and an escort, 0:01:27.680 --> 0:01:31.160 and I found it pretty interesting how much she took 0:01:31.200 --> 0:01:36.280 control of coordinating and then also praising and talking about 0:01:36.319 --> 0:01:39.880 how much she enjoyed having sex with the escort and 0:01:39.920 --> 0:01:43.679 telling Diddy that she wanted to have some alone time 0:01:43.680 --> 0:01:45.600 with him, some one on one time with him. She 0:01:45.600 --> 0:01:49.360 said she hadn't actually been with him, she said selfishly, 0:01:49.400 --> 0:01:51.400 I don't know what that means in five months. That's 0:01:51.480 --> 0:01:54.880 interesting to me that pretty much their intimacy was her 0:01:54.960 --> 0:01:56.800 having sex with other men and him watching it. 0:01:56.840 --> 0:01:59.560 But she seemed excited about it. 0:01:59.600 --> 0:02:04.640 Some of these text messages certainly are massively favorable for 0:02:04.680 --> 0:02:08.080 the defense. She said, I haven't stopped thinking about it. 0:02:08.080 --> 0:02:10.160 It just gets better and better. That's what Jane texted 0:02:10.200 --> 0:02:13.400 to Diddy, and then she texted to the escort. This 0:02:13.600 --> 0:02:15.800 was one for the books, so it didn't sound like 0:02:15.800 --> 0:02:17.959 somebody who was coerced or somebody who didn't want to 0:02:18.000 --> 0:02:20.520 be there, or someone who felt like they had to 0:02:20.560 --> 0:02:20.920 be there. 0:02:21.440 --> 0:02:24.720 So before this guy even got on the stand today 0:02:24.760 --> 0:02:27.480 to start the day, there was a significant delay before 0:02:27.480 --> 0:02:29.480 we even got to some of these text messages because 0:02:29.520 --> 0:02:31.720 they had to fight over what text messages they would 0:02:31.720 --> 0:02:34.480 even be allowed to enter. I believe by most of 0:02:34.520 --> 0:02:37.280 the estimates people in the court room seemed like anyway 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.359 from a thirty to forty five minute delay after nine 0:02:40.440 --> 0:02:41.640 am in getting to the. 0:02:41.639 --> 0:02:42.440 Stand of that field. 0:02:42.480 --> 0:02:47.919 What about right, Yes, because the attorneys were arguing, that's 0:02:47.919 --> 0:02:48.919 the right, debate. 0:02:48.680 --> 0:02:50.720 Debated, they were debated, Well, they still argue too. 0:02:50.800 --> 0:02:53.200 Yes, they were debating and arguing in front of the 0:02:53.280 --> 0:02:56.520 judge over text messages they wanted to have entered into 0:02:56.800 --> 0:03:00.760 testimony and entered into evidence. And there were several objections 0:03:00.760 --> 0:03:04.240 by the prosecution, in particular to some of Cassie ventor 0:03:04.280 --> 0:03:09.160 refines text messages to Ditty. In particular, there was one 0:03:09.200 --> 0:03:12.760 that the defense wanted to submit in which she was 0:03:12.760 --> 0:03:15.840 talking about wanting to have sex, to wanting to be 0:03:15.919 --> 0:03:18.400 with him, wanting and they wanted to enter this to 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:22.840 show look she was initiating this, she wanted this. The 0:03:22.919 --> 0:03:26.640 prosecution objected, and the judge sustained the objection because the 0:03:26.720 --> 0:03:29.440 judge even said, she was talking about one on one time. 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:31.480 Yeah, she was talking about having sex with Ditty, And 0:03:31.520 --> 0:03:33.680 I think that's really clear, and she's made that clear 0:03:33.960 --> 0:03:37.360 that's all she wanted, and that she was tolerating or 0:03:37.560 --> 0:03:40.760 at worst being coerced into having sex with other men 0:03:41.360 --> 0:03:44.520 just so she could try and get eventually, ultimately alone 0:03:44.520 --> 0:03:45.280 time with Ditty. 0:03:45.440 --> 0:03:47.120 So she will, and it makes sense she would be 0:03:47.280 --> 0:03:49.640 excited or wanting to be with her man one on one, 0:03:49.640 --> 0:03:52.400 and the judge saw that, so he said, absolutely, that 0:03:52.480 --> 0:03:55.000 objection is sustained. You're not going to be able to 0:03:55.080 --> 0:03:58.080 use that one. But then there were three others at 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:00.400 least that they were trying to get interered, and the 0:04:00.440 --> 0:04:04.240 prosecution objected, but he overruled those objections because she was 0:04:04.280 --> 0:04:07.360 talking about baby oil, she was talking about some other 0:04:07.440 --> 0:04:10.640 things that seemed to show that she was a willing 0:04:10.640 --> 0:04:14.000 participant and initiated some of this stuff. So the defense 0:04:14.200 --> 0:04:16.800 lost on that one text message, but they won on 0:04:16.880 --> 0:04:18.440 all of these others that they are going to be 0:04:18.480 --> 0:04:19.200 able to present. 0:04:19.360 --> 0:04:21.880 And of course this is all the defenses, I mean, 0:04:21.920 --> 0:04:24.159 this is their case. They might not be calling any 0:04:24.160 --> 0:04:26.320 witnesses of their own, but this is their case to 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.159 prove to the jury. They are saying that everything that 0:04:29.200 --> 0:04:33.839 happened was consensual, that Jane and Cassie were both willing participants, 0:04:33.839 --> 0:04:36.359 and in some cases, if you look at these text messages, 0:04:37.120 --> 0:04:42.200 not just willing, but excited and anticipatory of what happened. 0:04:42.200 --> 0:04:44.000 And then even in the aftermath of. 0:04:43.920 --> 0:04:46.120 Some of these freak offs, they were talking about how 0:04:46.160 --> 0:04:49.039 great it was, how amazing it was. So they have 0:04:49.200 --> 0:04:53.000 certainly cast some doubt and in terms of motive or 0:04:53.440 --> 0:04:56.400 why or how this all came about why these women 0:04:56.400 --> 0:04:57.120 were participating. 0:04:57.160 --> 0:04:57.960 What is that good enough? 0:04:58.000 --> 0:05:00.320 What you described there? Is that good enough to say 0:05:01.000 --> 0:05:04.280 for them? The way they explain that is, hey, yes, 0:05:04.360 --> 0:05:06.480 of course they were saying that to Diddy because they 0:05:06.520 --> 0:05:08.560 felt this is what he wanted, this is what they 0:05:08.600 --> 0:05:11.479 had to do. That seems to be always the comeback 0:05:11.520 --> 0:05:14.360 that none of that was authentic. They were performing for him, 0:05:14.440 --> 0:05:15.360 even in the text message. 0:05:15.440 --> 0:05:17.760 Then couldn't you argue that how would did he ascertain 0:05:17.800 --> 0:05:18.960 the difference between the two. 0:05:18.920 --> 0:05:20.080 If he's being told this? 0:05:20.240 --> 0:05:23.799 They did argue that, right, I mean, if he's being 0:05:23.839 --> 0:05:26.960 told by these women that they're excited about it and 0:05:27.000 --> 0:05:29.760 that they want it, and that afterwards they were happy 0:05:29.800 --> 0:05:32.160 about it and wanted more of it. How is he 0:05:32.240 --> 0:05:35.080 supposed to know that they're just performing for him so 0:05:35.120 --> 0:05:37.840 that they can be with him. That doesn't really make 0:05:37.839 --> 0:05:39.839 a lot of sense to me. I mean, it looks 0:05:39.839 --> 0:05:40.039 to me. 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:43.000 Again. I'll reiterate no legal expert here. 0:05:43.400 --> 0:05:45.719 But man, I think the defense has done an amazing 0:05:45.800 --> 0:05:48.680 job in all of their cross examinations and certainly even today, 0:05:49.200 --> 0:05:52.280 showing the jurors that there is some doubt in terms 0:05:52.360 --> 0:05:56.560 of whether or not these women were forced to participate 0:05:56.600 --> 0:05:59.800 in these freak offs. I think that there is definitely doubt. 0:06:00.000 --> 0:06:03.280 Can you hear their own words in real time of 0:06:03.320 --> 0:06:04.560 when this was all going on. 0:06:04.839 --> 0:06:07.479 Wasn't it a big thing earlier in the trial about 0:06:07.520 --> 0:06:10.240 whether or not I think it was Cassie vent Or 0:06:10.240 --> 0:06:12.760 Fine who was saying she needed to be on drugs 0:06:12.800 --> 0:06:14.840 for these free calls like she does. No way she 0:06:14.880 --> 0:06:16.919 could just she had to numb herself. But one of 0:06:16.960 --> 0:06:19.640 the objections this morning was over a text message that 0:06:19.680 --> 0:06:24.080 Cassie vent Or final Fine had between with her and Didty, 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:26.800 in which she was asked can she do the freak 0:06:26.839 --> 0:06:31.239 off without the drugs. Her response was, yes, the judge 0:06:32.160 --> 0:06:35.159 overruled the objection to that text. That is going to 0:06:35.200 --> 0:06:37.800 be able to submit into evidence. So that was a 0:06:37.839 --> 0:06:40.040 big deal for a while. This is the only way 0:06:40.040 --> 0:06:42.640 I could get through. And now the jury is being told, 0:06:43.000 --> 0:06:46.719 Oh so she could, in clear conscience and right mind 0:06:47.480 --> 0:06:49.279 participate and she's saying it here. 0:06:49.720 --> 0:06:52.120 And she texted that in real time. She texted it. 0:06:52.520 --> 0:06:55.640 And again, how is Diddy supposed to know that if 0:06:55.680 --> 0:06:58.360 it's true she was lying about it, if she actually 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:01.120 really couldn't do it without drugs, how's he supposed to 0:07:01.200 --> 0:07:03.320 know she's lying to him when she says she could 0:07:03.360 --> 0:07:06.280 do it without drugs. And yeah, those texts are incredibly 0:07:06.920 --> 0:07:09.640 damning and it undermines a lot of the testimony that 0:07:09.680 --> 0:07:12.440 we heard from both Cassie and Jane while they were 0:07:12.480 --> 0:07:13.120 on the stand. 0:07:13.480 --> 0:07:16.400 And so Jane has been the heart a lot of 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.880 the heart a lot of the conversation this morning with 0:07:19.000 --> 0:07:21.480 this Homeland Security agent. 0:07:21.640 --> 0:07:22.600 I didn't expect him. 0:07:22.680 --> 0:07:26.320 He's been out this as what Friday, Yeah, they knew. Yeah, 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.200 I thought he's gonna be kind of a throwaway, and 0:07:28.320 --> 0:07:31.000 he's been up there and incredibly important but some of 0:07:31.040 --> 0:07:33.080 the text messages, so many of them are focused on 0:07:33.280 --> 0:07:35.920 Jane and there back and forth, and some of the 0:07:36.120 --> 0:07:39.280 the defense, of course the cross examination, now the prosecution 0:07:39.400 --> 0:07:43.680 presented different text messages, but now these are painting a 0:07:44.600 --> 0:07:48.960 wildly different picture of a woman who was giddy. 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:50.920 Yeah, one a good word. 0:07:51.000 --> 0:07:52.400 That's a very I was trying to find the word 0:07:52.440 --> 0:07:54.840 when I was saying excited or anticipatory, but giddy. 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:56.200 Giddy is a very good word. 0:07:56.520 --> 0:07:59.160 And they also were just putting up messages where Jane 0:07:59.240 --> 0:08:01.280 was telling it how much she loved him and that 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:03.760 she would not take him for granted. I mean this, 0:08:03.920 --> 0:08:07.600 that's if the motivation is love, how is that coercion? 0:08:07.640 --> 0:08:09.320 I mean, that's what it seems like to me when 0:08:09.360 --> 0:08:12.680 I when I hear even the testimony from these two women. 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:15.080 But certainly these text messages that the defense is pointing 0:08:15.080 --> 0:08:19.040 out and having read aloud to me as a layman, 0:08:19.120 --> 0:08:22.800 it seems like these women were motivated by love and 0:08:22.840 --> 0:08:25.520 desire and maybe even some money. 0:08:25.560 --> 0:08:27.720 Maybe even some money, but that's that was their choice. 0:08:27.760 --> 0:08:30.120 They wanted to they wanted to be able to live 0:08:30.160 --> 0:08:32.320 a different kind of lifestyle, so that all seems like 0:08:32.360 --> 0:08:35.200 off benefit to them that and how many other women 0:08:35.520 --> 0:08:37.520 have done things that they didn't want to do because 0:08:37.520 --> 0:08:39.160 they love demand. I mean, I think that's just a 0:08:39.480 --> 0:08:42.200 common thing that has happened. Does that mean a crime 0:08:42.280 --> 0:08:43.960 was committed. Does that mean that someone needs to go 0:08:43.960 --> 0:08:45.400 to prison for the rest of their lives? 0:08:45.480 --> 0:08:47.160 Well, that okay, And I just want to make sure 0:08:47.240 --> 0:08:49.200 you're saying that as far as what the jurors might have. 0:08:49.360 --> 0:08:54.600 Correct, correct, I'm thinking about this. No, no, no, no, I'm 0:08:54.640 --> 0:08:55.120 not saying that. 0:08:55.160 --> 0:08:57.600 I'm saying I think, well, I do think that most 0:08:57.640 --> 0:08:59.480 women can put themselves in that position. 0:08:59.520 --> 0:09:02.160 I actually it'll be so interesting. 0:09:01.679 --> 0:09:04.520 To see if the jurors do decide to speak or 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:06.640 at least talk about why they made their decisions, but 0:09:07.200 --> 0:09:10.600 like how it falls not just between black and white 0:09:10.720 --> 0:09:14.360 or race, but gender and as a woman. You know, Look, 0:09:14.880 --> 0:09:17.959 I was disgusted and appalled and hearing and seeing all 0:09:17.960 --> 0:09:21.360 of this and just feeling so badly for these women 0:09:21.400 --> 0:09:25.600 who are giving this gut wrenching testimony and putting themselves 0:09:25.800 --> 0:09:29.360 and their reputations on the line, having been forced to 0:09:29.400 --> 0:09:33.960 watch humiliating videos of sexually explicit acts that they were committing. 0:09:34.360 --> 0:09:39.520 So I was definitely wanting to be team team women. 0:09:39.679 --> 0:09:43.240 But hearing all of these other text messages, I can 0:09:43.320 --> 0:09:45.920 kind of see it in a human experience, and I'm 0:09:45.920 --> 0:09:49.640 sure there's regret and I'm sure there's anger, But where 0:09:49.960 --> 0:09:53.920 was their responsibility in participating? And that is where I 0:09:53.960 --> 0:09:57.679 think a lot of jurors, as human beings and maybe 0:09:57.720 --> 0:09:58.800 even as women, can. 0:09:58.679 --> 0:10:01.280 Say, oh, sound they were love sick. 0:10:01.440 --> 0:10:04.080 Sounds like they really just wanted to be with him 0:10:04.080 --> 0:10:06.280 and they would do anything they could to be with him. 0:10:06.400 --> 0:10:07.720 Does that mean there was a crime? 0:10:07.840 --> 0:10:11.920 You're saying that Their question is not a legal one 0:10:12.040 --> 0:10:16.480 but almost an emotional one. It sounds like they're Obviously 0:10:16.480 --> 0:10:19.520 emotions come into any jury deliberation. But all these jury 0:10:19.559 --> 0:10:21.760 instructions and all these lee lees in the back and forth, 0:10:21.760 --> 0:10:23.680 he was like, all right, let's follow the law. But 0:10:23.760 --> 0:10:25.760 this might simply come down to whether or not they 0:10:25.840 --> 0:10:31.120 believe these women, whether or not they believe that they 0:10:31.160 --> 0:10:34.080 were part time. I asked you this the other day. 0:10:34.120 --> 0:10:38.079 I think, can you be a part time victim if 0:10:38.120 --> 0:10:40.319 the other part of the time you're a willing participant? 0:10:40.960 --> 0:10:42.640 Yes? I think the answer to that is yes. 0:10:42.720 --> 0:10:44.440 Okay, so that's the guy. We get past that. 0:10:44.520 --> 0:10:46.000 So then let's go with the part when they were 0:10:46.040 --> 0:10:49.600 possibly a victim. Can you say, I mean, how much 0:10:49.679 --> 0:10:51.360 doubt is someone going to have in their head in 0:10:51.360 --> 0:10:53.520 that jury room? Is that what they're having to really 0:10:53.559 --> 0:10:57.360 decide whether or not these women were willing participants? 0:10:57.720 --> 0:10:58.439 What was in their heart? 0:10:58.559 --> 0:11:00.800 Was it about love that yes? 0:11:01.360 --> 0:11:03.400 Or were they forced because. 0:11:03.840 --> 0:11:06.200 There's that line. 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:08.080 Coercion for I mean, it's it's so tough. 0:11:08.160 --> 0:11:11.559 It's so tough now and now that we've heard all 0:11:11.600 --> 0:11:15.840 of the testimony and we've really seen Ditty's lawyers be 0:11:15.960 --> 0:11:19.600 excellent in terms of where they took their questioning, where 0:11:19.640 --> 0:11:22.680 they took their cross examination, it's cast a shadow of 0:11:22.720 --> 0:11:25.040 doubt for me, I mean, just as someone who's been 0:11:25.080 --> 0:11:37.880 watching it for sure, this one's tough. 0:11:37.960 --> 0:11:38.679 To our point. 0:11:39.080 --> 0:11:43.920 One of the text messages April twenty twenty two, I 0:11:44.000 --> 0:11:47.800 even wrote a note to myself fear oh shit when 0:11:48.040 --> 0:11:49.880 I saw this, and just that was the note thing. 0:11:49.960 --> 0:11:52.680 Oh but and this is what Jane wrote to Ditty 0:11:52.760 --> 0:11:55.640 in April twenty twenty two. Baby, I want to make 0:11:55.720 --> 0:11:58.400 love to you. I haven't selfishly had you to myself 0:11:58.440 --> 0:12:03.680 for five months. I'm fine with the other stuff, but 0:12:03.800 --> 0:12:07.600 I really just need you right now. Diddy's response, Okay, 0:12:07.640 --> 0:12:10.600 whatever you want. That sounds like a couple. That sounds 0:12:10.640 --> 0:12:14.000 like a relationship, That sounds like an understanding. That eden 0:12:14.080 --> 0:12:17.480 sounds like her telling him what we've been doing is cool. 0:12:17.720 --> 0:12:20.080 Can I just have this? And the follow up to 0:12:20.120 --> 0:12:21.840 this sure enough they had some alone time. 0:12:23.240 --> 0:12:24.080 That's a tough. 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:28.840 Exchange, man, that really is that is incredibly damning. I 0:12:28.880 --> 0:12:33.199 would think to the prosecution's contention that this was coercion, 0:12:33.800 --> 0:12:36.000 that doesn't sound like coercion. 0:12:36.160 --> 0:12:39.200 I'm fine with the other stuff, but I really just 0:12:39.320 --> 0:12:43.200 need you right now. His response was, Okay, whatever you want. 0:12:44.840 --> 0:12:47.120 How I don't know what the prosecution. I don't know 0:12:47.120 --> 0:12:48.520 if they're going to get up and say anything. They 0:12:48.559 --> 0:12:50.640 get a chance to redirect with this witness, I don't 0:12:50.640 --> 0:12:51.800 know if they're going to try to take that on 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:56.439 or not. But my word, that is just a totally 0:12:56.640 --> 0:12:58.160 different picture. 0:12:58.320 --> 0:12:58.720 Correct. 0:12:58.800 --> 0:13:02.520 And the one that I just mentioned it, But the 0:13:02.520 --> 0:13:05.360 one that really stood out to me was when and 0:13:05.400 --> 0:13:08.359 it's it's Tenny Garagos who is doing the cross examination 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:13.280 right now, but when she had the Homeland Security agent 0:13:13.679 --> 0:13:19.960 read aloud the text messages between Ditty and Jane and 0:13:20.000 --> 0:13:23.480 an escort, So they were all there texting, and Jane 0:13:23.559 --> 0:13:27.280 text combs about the freak cops about having sex with 0:13:27.360 --> 0:13:30.200 an escort that the prosecution is maintaining. She was cool, 0:13:30.200 --> 0:13:34.000 worce to do. It just gets better and better, and 0:13:34.040 --> 0:13:37.800 she's telling ditty this. You know, it's so fascinating because 0:13:38.320 --> 0:13:41.720 before we had cell phones and text messages. Imagine how 0:13:41.800 --> 0:13:43.839 much more difficult this trial would be. But these text 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:47.719 messages tell stories that you can't right, he. 0:13:47.679 --> 0:13:48.960 Would be not guilty. 0:13:49.240 --> 0:13:51.920 It's several years ago. You wouldn't have all this evidence, right, 0:13:52.200 --> 0:13:54.080 That is so weird to think about. You would not 0:13:54.360 --> 0:13:56.920 have this. It would just he says. She said, that's 0:13:57.040 --> 0:13:59.320 all the option they would have at the time. That 0:13:59.440 --> 0:14:02.720 is I never stop to think about this. Whole thing 0:14:02.760 --> 0:14:06.160 has been about interactions and video and surveillance and electronics, 0:14:06.200 --> 0:14:07.040 and it's. 0:14:06.920 --> 0:14:09.520 All iPads about modern technology. 0:14:10.080 --> 0:14:12.400 And you can try to make it look one way, 0:14:12.480 --> 0:14:14.440 but then when the defense shines a light on the 0:14:14.600 --> 0:14:19.240 other text messages, it the fuller picture is around. I mean, 0:14:19.280 --> 0:14:22.480 I do think this gives the jury the best possible 0:14:22.600 --> 0:14:25.480 vantage point other than actually being there and witnessing it 0:14:25.800 --> 0:14:28.560 in the moment. It's kind of close because not only 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:34.120 look they yesterday. According to the Homeland Security Agent, they 0:14:34.280 --> 0:14:38.720 found fifty video files just in a pretty short period 0:14:38.760 --> 0:14:39.080 of time. 0:14:39.120 --> 0:14:41.000 I believe that was the one that it was like 0:14:41.080 --> 0:14:42.880 five days before Christmas one. 0:14:43.080 --> 0:14:47.000 Yes, yes, it was December of twenty twenty one, I believe. 0:14:47.560 --> 0:14:50.680 And they showed the jurors two of them. So, I mean, 0:14:51.200 --> 0:14:54.840 this is wild. It's as close as you can get 0:14:54.880 --> 0:14:57.520 to being there in the room with them and then 0:14:58.240 --> 0:15:02.800 hearing how each party felt afterwards and beforehand, with text 0:15:02.880 --> 0:15:05.400 messages accompanying these videos. 0:15:05.760 --> 0:15:08.480 Can you imagine if this trial was allowed to be 0:15:08.600 --> 0:15:12.360 on camera on TV, they couldn't think about the Oja trial, 0:15:12.440 --> 0:15:14.480 thinking about even the Amber heard Johnny depth thing that 0:15:14.480 --> 0:15:17.720 people were locked to. If this were on camp, we 0:15:17.760 --> 0:15:20.320 could sit and watch this on TV every day, but. 0:15:20.280 --> 0:15:23.640 They have to blur everything out. You couldn't have that audio, some. 0:15:23.640 --> 0:15:25.920 Of the language. 0:15:26.560 --> 0:15:28.200 It's not for TV. 0:15:29.080 --> 0:15:31.200 Oh my god. I wouldn't miss a second of it. 0:15:31.240 --> 0:15:33.440 Maybe HBO I would have been captivated. 0:15:33.680 --> 0:15:34.480 I wouldn't have missed them. 0:15:36.720 --> 0:15:39.960 Whether you want to admit it or not, you everyone 0:15:40.080 --> 0:15:40.920 would be watching this. 0:15:41.200 --> 0:15:42.360 Yeah, And I. 0:15:42.320 --> 0:15:45.280 Don't know how this one doesn't feel necessarily that voyeuristic 0:15:45.280 --> 0:15:47.640 to me. I suppose it is and there's a celebrity nature, 0:15:47.640 --> 0:15:51.200 but that's so many things having like real societal issues 0:15:51.240 --> 0:15:55.520 like we mentioned of race, of class, of power of man, woman, 0:15:55.560 --> 0:15:59.440 of me too, of right relationships, of coersions, so many 0:15:59.520 --> 0:16:01.280 fine lines, and there's so many things that I hope 0:16:01.280 --> 0:16:04.160 we do discuss all of us after this trial. But 0:16:04.200 --> 0:16:07.120 it was such a I guess it was such a cultural, 0:16:07.160 --> 0:16:12.120 a societal event versus just a celebrity one, and that's 0:16:12.200 --> 0:16:13.080 probably a good thing. 0:16:13.480 --> 0:16:13.680 Yeah. 0:16:13.720 --> 0:16:15.520 I know it's salacious and for a lot of folks 0:16:15.520 --> 0:16:17.160 and the stuff, but I don't pay attention to a 0:16:17.160 --> 0:16:19.720 lot of the stuff and the social media we're on. 0:16:19.960 --> 0:16:22.200 I know people probably saying some pretty nasty things about 0:16:22.240 --> 0:16:23.000 baby oil. 0:16:22.800 --> 0:16:24.600 And all those jokes and all that stuff. 0:16:24.880 --> 0:16:27.840 But this has given us all a chance to have 0:16:27.960 --> 0:16:29.360 some pretty important conversations. 0:16:29.600 --> 0:16:31.760 Yeah, this is about the music industry, This is about 0:16:31.760 --> 0:16:34.480 the hip hop culture. This is about you know, where 0:16:34.800 --> 0:16:40.000 is the line between yes and maybe what's the gray area? 0:16:40.360 --> 0:16:43.360 What's a crime what's not? I mean, and that will 0:16:43.440 --> 0:16:48.800 always be in any in any trial, in any case. 0:16:50.080 --> 0:16:50.840 An issue of. 0:16:52.560 --> 0:16:54.440 And there's no rape charge here, but whether or not 0:16:54.520 --> 0:16:56.200 you were forced to have sex or not have sex. 0:16:56.240 --> 0:16:59.440 That has always been one of the most difficult crimes 0:16:59.480 --> 0:17:02.600 to prove ever, because typically it is he said, she said, 0:17:02.960 --> 0:17:06.000 And how do you know who said yes, who said no, 0:17:06.720 --> 0:17:10.600 who wanted to who didn't. It's a very very delicate 0:17:10.800 --> 0:17:15.840 issue that you know, this trial, there's so many ripple 0:17:15.840 --> 0:17:18.399 effects that will happen based on what the outcome is, 0:17:18.720 --> 0:17:21.240 What the jury decides, what the verdict is, could affect 0:17:21.960 --> 0:17:24.920 whether cases come forward again, whether victims come forward again, 0:17:25.560 --> 0:17:28.879 whether people feel empowered to do what they want because 0:17:29.680 --> 0:17:32.520 someone got away with something. You know, is this will 0:17:32.680 --> 0:17:38.000 have long standing, a long standing impact on future cases. 0:17:38.200 --> 0:17:42.119 Yeah, and what's going to happen with I mean, we 0:17:42.320 --> 0:17:45.800 have we considered the possibility that this man could walk 0:17:45.840 --> 0:17:49.240 out of their freeman, What that's going to look like? Man, 0:17:49.440 --> 0:17:51.920 what that's going to mean. Have we considered what it 0:17:52.000 --> 0:17:54.520 looks like if he gets kind of a lesser charge. 0:17:54.560 --> 0:17:56.480 Have we considered what looks like if they decide to 0:17:56.480 --> 0:17:57.280 put him in jail for. 0:17:57.320 --> 0:18:00.440 The rest of his life. I don't know what. 0:18:01.200 --> 0:18:03.400 No, there is no right or wrong. I just don't 0:18:03.520 --> 0:18:08.280 know how we react to all those scenarios. Him walking 0:18:08.320 --> 0:18:10.840 out in the front of that courthouse. I can't imagine. 0:18:10.920 --> 0:18:12.440 We haven't seen him since the rest. 0:18:12.520 --> 0:18:13.959 We have not laid eyes on him. 0:18:14.200 --> 0:18:17.920 We've got court sketch artists renderings of him. 0:18:18.160 --> 0:18:20.240 I was just looking. Maybe I'm talking about this earlier. 0:18:20.240 --> 0:18:20.920 I'm so tired. 0:18:20.960 --> 0:18:24.600 I just see one of the artists drawings of the 0:18:24.680 --> 0:18:26.920 Homeland Security agent that's on the stand. They all it 0:18:26.960 --> 0:18:30.200 looks like Reggie Miller to me from the Indiana Pasers. 0:18:30.240 --> 0:18:33.040 I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm big xalf to y'all. 0:18:33.080 --> 0:18:36.400 I'm we're sketch artists. I have noticed, and I'm sure 0:18:36.440 --> 0:18:38.560 they're phenomenal at their jobs. And I'm not trying to 0:18:38.760 --> 0:18:40.360 knock any of them there. I think there are three 0:18:40.400 --> 0:18:42.800 of them, but they all the people in the court 0:18:42.880 --> 0:18:44.399 room all look ghoulish to me. 0:18:46.160 --> 0:18:48.000 That's the best way I can describe. 0:18:48.080 --> 0:18:49.080 Look have you ever. 0:18:49.160 --> 0:18:51.399 I don't know who's considered a great court remark, but 0:18:51.480 --> 0:18:53.520 it's they're doing this so quickly in the heat of 0:18:53.560 --> 0:18:53.879 them all. 0:18:53.960 --> 0:18:54.520 It's so good. 0:18:54.520 --> 0:18:57.240 Things are moving so fast, So I I really do 0:18:57.359 --> 0:18:59.960 give them credit. They're putting together this rendition in moments. 0:19:00.000 --> 0:19:00.879 It's just, yeah, you're right. 0:19:01.040 --> 0:19:02.920 I think that's so impressive that they're able to do. 0:19:03.040 --> 0:19:04.640 But no, it's not supposed to be the Mona. 0:19:04.480 --> 0:19:08.359 Lisa every time or like some exact science. There is 0:19:08.440 --> 0:19:10.640 some creative license being taken place. 0:19:10.680 --> 0:19:13.040 I just the one takeaway is that Sean Combs has 0:19:13.040 --> 0:19:15.200 a lot of gray hair that I never realized he did. 0:19:16.200 --> 0:19:18.160 We all do, any. 0:19:18.000 --> 0:19:22.080