1 00:00:01,760 --> 00:00:02,360 Speaker 1: Hey there, folks. 2 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:05,880 Speaker 2: It's Tuesday, June twenty fourth. We are in the seventh 3 00:00:05,920 --> 00:00:09,280 Speaker 2: week of testimony in the Diddy trial, and as we speak, 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:13,400 Speaker 2: the final witness of the trial is on the stand. 5 00:00:13,480 --> 00:00:16,560 Speaker 2: Welcome to this Ditty update edition of Amy and TJ 6 00:00:16,880 --> 00:00:19,400 Speaker 2: and Robes has been seven weeks. It's weird to say 7 00:00:19,440 --> 00:00:22,200 Speaker 2: this is the last guy where're going to hear from. 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:25,240 Speaker 3: That's right, and right now he is being cross examined 9 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:29,560 Speaker 3: by Ditty's defense attorneys, and once that cross examination is over, 10 00:00:30,200 --> 00:00:33,120 Speaker 3: that's it. It's it's hard to imagine, but yes, the 11 00:00:33,120 --> 00:00:35,480 Speaker 3: defense says it will rest. It is not calling any 12 00:00:35,479 --> 00:00:38,279 Speaker 3: witnesses to the stand. So what we're hearing from this 13 00:00:38,320 --> 00:00:42,680 Speaker 3: homeland security agent is the end of the evidence for 14 00:00:42,720 --> 00:00:43,839 Speaker 3: the jurors to consider. 15 00:00:44,560 --> 00:00:46,200 Speaker 2: Are they going out I don't know, with a bang 16 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:50,040 Speaker 2: with a third I don't know, because there have been 17 00:00:50,040 --> 00:00:54,040 Speaker 2: so many explosive witnesses and explosive testimony that it seems 18 00:00:54,080 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 2: like a guy going through hotel receipts, some text messages, 19 00:00:58,440 --> 00:01:01,840 Speaker 2: some travel itineraries, like boring stuff, but is important stuff. 20 00:01:01,960 --> 00:01:02,280 Speaker 4: I think. 21 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:05,280 Speaker 3: Honestly, if you look at what the prosecution presented on 22 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 3: Friday and yesterday, it was kind of boring. He was 23 00:01:07,680 --> 00:01:10,280 Speaker 3: connecting the dots. He was saying, did he paid for this? 24 00:01:10,520 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 3: Did he paid for that? But now with the defense 25 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:15,800 Speaker 3: cross examining him, I think it's a little bit more 26 00:01:15,800 --> 00:01:21,640 Speaker 3: interesting because they are actually reading text messages between Ditty 27 00:01:22,000 --> 00:01:27,520 Speaker 3: and Jane right now, and also between Jane and an escort, 28 00:01:27,680 --> 00:01:31,160 Speaker 3: and I found it pretty interesting how much she took 29 00:01:31,200 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 3: control of coordinating and then also praising and talking about 30 00:01:36,319 --> 00:01:39,880 Speaker 3: how much she enjoyed having sex with the escort and 31 00:01:39,920 --> 00:01:43,679 Speaker 3: telling Diddy that she wanted to have some alone time 32 00:01:43,680 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 3: with him, some one on one time with him. She 33 00:01:45,600 --> 00:01:49,360 Speaker 3: said she hadn't actually been with him, she said selfishly, 34 00:01:49,400 --> 00:01:51,400 Speaker 3: I don't know what that means in five months. That's 35 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:54,880 Speaker 3: interesting to me that pretty much their intimacy was her 36 00:01:54,960 --> 00:01:56,800 Speaker 3: having sex with other men and him watching it. 37 00:01:56,840 --> 00:01:59,560 Speaker 4: But she seemed excited about it. 38 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:04,640 Speaker 3: Some of these text messages certainly are massively favorable for 39 00:02:04,680 --> 00:02:08,080 Speaker 3: the defense. She said, I haven't stopped thinking about it. 40 00:02:08,080 --> 00:02:10,160 Speaker 3: It just gets better and better. That's what Jane texted 41 00:02:10,200 --> 00:02:13,400 Speaker 3: to Diddy, and then she texted to the escort. This 42 00:02:13,600 --> 00:02:15,800 Speaker 3: was one for the books, so it didn't sound like 43 00:02:15,800 --> 00:02:17,959 Speaker 3: somebody who was coerced or somebody who didn't want to 44 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:20,520 Speaker 3: be there, or someone who felt like they had to 45 00:02:20,560 --> 00:02:20,920 Speaker 3: be there. 46 00:02:21,440 --> 00:02:24,720 Speaker 2: So before this guy even got on the stand today 47 00:02:24,760 --> 00:02:27,480 Speaker 2: to start the day, there was a significant delay before 48 00:02:27,480 --> 00:02:29,480 Speaker 2: we even got to some of these text messages because 49 00:02:29,520 --> 00:02:31,720 Speaker 2: they had to fight over what text messages they would 50 00:02:31,720 --> 00:02:34,480 Speaker 2: even be allowed to enter. I believe by most of 51 00:02:34,520 --> 00:02:37,280 Speaker 2: the estimates people in the court room seemed like anyway 52 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,359 Speaker 2: from a thirty to forty five minute delay after nine 53 00:02:40,440 --> 00:02:41,640 Speaker 2: am in getting to the. 54 00:02:41,639 --> 00:02:42,440 Speaker 1: Stand of that field. 55 00:02:42,480 --> 00:02:47,919 Speaker 2: What about right, Yes, because the attorneys were arguing, that's 56 00:02:47,919 --> 00:02:48,919 Speaker 2: the right, debate. 57 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,720 Speaker 4: Debated, they were debated, Well, they still argue too. 58 00:02:50,800 --> 00:02:53,200 Speaker 2: Yes, they were debating and arguing in front of the 59 00:02:53,280 --> 00:02:56,520 Speaker 2: judge over text messages they wanted to have entered into 60 00:02:56,800 --> 00:03:00,760 Speaker 2: testimony and entered into evidence. And there were several objections 61 00:03:00,760 --> 00:03:04,240 Speaker 2: by the prosecution, in particular to some of Cassie ventor 62 00:03:04,280 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 2: refines text messages to Ditty. In particular, there was one 63 00:03:09,200 --> 00:03:12,760 Speaker 2: that the defense wanted to submit in which she was 64 00:03:12,760 --> 00:03:15,840 Speaker 2: talking about wanting to have sex, to wanting to be 65 00:03:15,919 --> 00:03:18,400 Speaker 2: with him, wanting and they wanted to enter this to 66 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:22,840 Speaker 2: show look she was initiating this, she wanted this. The 67 00:03:22,919 --> 00:03:26,640 Speaker 2: prosecution objected, and the judge sustained the objection because the 68 00:03:26,720 --> 00:03:29,440 Speaker 2: judge even said, she was talking about one on one time. 69 00:03:29,600 --> 00:03:31,480 Speaker 3: Yeah, she was talking about having sex with Ditty, And 70 00:03:31,520 --> 00:03:33,680 Speaker 3: I think that's really clear, and she's made that clear 71 00:03:33,960 --> 00:03:37,360 Speaker 3: that's all she wanted, and that she was tolerating or 72 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 3: at worst being coerced into having sex with other men 73 00:03:41,360 --> 00:03:44,520 Speaker 3: just so she could try and get eventually, ultimately alone 74 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:45,280 Speaker 3: time with Ditty. 75 00:03:45,440 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 2: So she will, and it makes sense she would be 76 00:03:47,280 --> 00:03:49,640 Speaker 2: excited or wanting to be with her man one on one, 77 00:03:49,640 --> 00:03:52,400 Speaker 2: and the judge saw that, so he said, absolutely, that 78 00:03:52,480 --> 00:03:55,000 Speaker 2: objection is sustained. You're not going to be able to 79 00:03:55,080 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 2: use that one. But then there were three others at 80 00:03:58,160 --> 00:04:00,400 Speaker 2: least that they were trying to get interered, and the 81 00:04:00,440 --> 00:04:04,240 Speaker 2: prosecution objected, but he overruled those objections because she was 82 00:04:04,280 --> 00:04:07,360 Speaker 2: talking about baby oil, she was talking about some other 83 00:04:07,440 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 2: things that seemed to show that she was a willing 84 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:14,000 Speaker 2: participant and initiated some of this stuff. So the defense 85 00:04:14,200 --> 00:04:16,800 Speaker 2: lost on that one text message, but they won on 86 00:04:16,880 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 2: all of these others that they are going to be 87 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:19,200 Speaker 2: able to present. 88 00:04:19,360 --> 00:04:21,880 Speaker 3: And of course this is all the defenses, I mean, 89 00:04:21,920 --> 00:04:24,159 Speaker 3: this is their case. They might not be calling any 90 00:04:24,160 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 3: witnesses of their own, but this is their case to 91 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,159 Speaker 3: prove to the jury. They are saying that everything that 92 00:04:29,200 --> 00:04:33,839 Speaker 3: happened was consensual, that Jane and Cassie were both willing participants, 93 00:04:33,839 --> 00:04:36,359 Speaker 3: and in some cases, if you look at these text messages, 94 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:42,200 Speaker 3: not just willing, but excited and anticipatory of what happened. 95 00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,000 Speaker 4: And then even in the aftermath of. 96 00:04:43,920 --> 00:04:46,120 Speaker 3: Some of these freak offs, they were talking about how 97 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,039 Speaker 3: great it was, how amazing it was. So they have 98 00:04:49,200 --> 00:04:53,000 Speaker 3: certainly cast some doubt and in terms of motive or 99 00:04:53,440 --> 00:04:56,400 Speaker 3: why or how this all came about why these women 100 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:57,120 Speaker 3: were participating. 101 00:04:57,160 --> 00:04:57,960 Speaker 1: What is that good enough? 102 00:04:58,000 --> 00:05:00,320 Speaker 2: What you described there? Is that good enough to say 103 00:05:01,000 --> 00:05:04,280 Speaker 2: for them? The way they explain that is, hey, yes, 104 00:05:04,360 --> 00:05:06,480 Speaker 2: of course they were saying that to Diddy because they 105 00:05:06,520 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: felt this is what he wanted, this is what they 106 00:05:08,600 --> 00:05:11,479 Speaker 2: had to do. That seems to be always the comeback 107 00:05:11,520 --> 00:05:14,360 Speaker 2: that none of that was authentic. They were performing for him, 108 00:05:14,440 --> 00:05:15,360 Speaker 2: even in the text message. 109 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:17,760 Speaker 3: Then couldn't you argue that how would did he ascertain 110 00:05:17,800 --> 00:05:18,960 Speaker 3: the difference between the two. 111 00:05:18,920 --> 00:05:20,080 Speaker 4: If he's being told this? 112 00:05:20,240 --> 00:05:23,799 Speaker 3: They did argue that, right, I mean, if he's being 113 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,960 Speaker 3: told by these women that they're excited about it and 114 00:05:27,000 --> 00:05:29,760 Speaker 3: that they want it, and that afterwards they were happy 115 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,160 Speaker 3: about it and wanted more of it. How is he 116 00:05:32,240 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 3: supposed to know that they're just performing for him so 117 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:37,840 Speaker 3: that they can be with him. That doesn't really make 118 00:05:37,839 --> 00:05:39,839 Speaker 3: a lot of sense to me. I mean, it looks 119 00:05:39,839 --> 00:05:40,039 Speaker 3: to me. 120 00:05:40,120 --> 00:05:43,000 Speaker 4: Again. I'll reiterate no legal expert here. 121 00:05:43,400 --> 00:05:45,719 Speaker 3: But man, I think the defense has done an amazing 122 00:05:45,800 --> 00:05:48,680 Speaker 3: job in all of their cross examinations and certainly even today, 123 00:05:49,200 --> 00:05:52,280 Speaker 3: showing the jurors that there is some doubt in terms 124 00:05:52,360 --> 00:05:56,560 Speaker 3: of whether or not these women were forced to participate 125 00:05:56,600 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 3: in these freak offs. I think that there is definitely doubt. 126 00:06:00,000 --> 00:06:03,280 Speaker 3: Can you hear their own words in real time of 127 00:06:03,320 --> 00:06:04,560 Speaker 3: when this was all going on. 128 00:06:04,839 --> 00:06:07,479 Speaker 2: Wasn't it a big thing earlier in the trial about 129 00:06:07,520 --> 00:06:10,240 Speaker 2: whether or not I think it was Cassie vent Or 130 00:06:10,240 --> 00:06:12,760 Speaker 2: Fine who was saying she needed to be on drugs 131 00:06:12,800 --> 00:06:14,840 Speaker 2: for these free calls like she does. No way she 132 00:06:14,880 --> 00:06:16,919 Speaker 2: could just she had to numb herself. But one of 133 00:06:16,960 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 2: the objections this morning was over a text message that 134 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:24,080 Speaker 2: Cassie vent Or final Fine had between with her and Didty, 135 00:06:24,520 --> 00:06:26,800 Speaker 2: in which she was asked can she do the freak 136 00:06:26,839 --> 00:06:31,239 Speaker 2: off without the drugs. Her response was, yes, the judge 137 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 2: overruled the objection to that text. That is going to 138 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:37,800 Speaker 2: be able to submit into evidence. So that was a 139 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,040 Speaker 2: big deal for a while. This is the only way 140 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:42,640 Speaker 2: I could get through. And now the jury is being told, 141 00:06:43,000 --> 00:06:46,719 Speaker 2: Oh so she could, in clear conscience and right mind 142 00:06:47,480 --> 00:06:49,279 Speaker 2: participate and she's saying it here. 143 00:06:49,720 --> 00:06:52,120 Speaker 4: And she texted that in real time. She texted it. 144 00:06:52,520 --> 00:06:55,640 Speaker 3: And again, how is Diddy supposed to know that if 145 00:06:55,680 --> 00:06:58,360 Speaker 3: it's true she was lying about it, if she actually 146 00:06:58,360 --> 00:07:01,120 Speaker 3: really couldn't do it without drugs, how's he supposed to 147 00:07:01,200 --> 00:07:03,320 Speaker 3: know she's lying to him when she says she could 148 00:07:03,360 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 3: do it without drugs. And yeah, those texts are incredibly 149 00:07:06,920 --> 00:07:09,640 Speaker 3: damning and it undermines a lot of the testimony that 150 00:07:09,680 --> 00:07:12,440 Speaker 3: we heard from both Cassie and Jane while they were 151 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:13,120 Speaker 3: on the stand. 152 00:07:13,480 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 2: And so Jane has been the heart a lot of 153 00:07:16,440 --> 00:07:18,880 Speaker 2: the heart a lot of the conversation this morning with 154 00:07:19,000 --> 00:07:21,480 Speaker 2: this Homeland Security agent. 155 00:07:21,640 --> 00:07:22,600 Speaker 1: I didn't expect him. 156 00:07:22,680 --> 00:07:26,320 Speaker 2: He's been out this as what Friday, Yeah, they knew. Yeah, 157 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:28,200 Speaker 2: I thought he's gonna be kind of a throwaway, and 158 00:07:28,320 --> 00:07:31,000 Speaker 2: he's been up there and incredibly important but some of 159 00:07:31,040 --> 00:07:33,080 Speaker 2: the text messages, so many of them are focused on 160 00:07:33,280 --> 00:07:35,920 Speaker 2: Jane and there back and forth, and some of the 161 00:07:36,120 --> 00:07:39,280 Speaker 2: the defense, of course the cross examination, now the prosecution 162 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:43,680 Speaker 2: presented different text messages, but now these are painting a 163 00:07:44,600 --> 00:07:48,960 Speaker 2: wildly different picture of a woman who was giddy. 164 00:07:49,480 --> 00:07:50,920 Speaker 4: Yeah, one a good word. 165 00:07:51,000 --> 00:07:52,400 Speaker 3: That's a very I was trying to find the word 166 00:07:52,440 --> 00:07:54,840 Speaker 3: when I was saying excited or anticipatory, but giddy. 167 00:07:54,880 --> 00:07:56,200 Speaker 4: Giddy is a very good word. 168 00:07:56,520 --> 00:07:59,160 Speaker 3: And they also were just putting up messages where Jane 169 00:07:59,240 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 3: was telling it how much she loved him and that 170 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 3: she would not take him for granted. I mean this, 171 00:08:03,920 --> 00:08:07,600 Speaker 3: that's if the motivation is love, how is that coercion? 172 00:08:07,640 --> 00:08:09,320 Speaker 3: I mean, that's what it seems like to me when 173 00:08:09,360 --> 00:08:12,680 Speaker 3: I when I hear even the testimony from these two women. 174 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:15,080 Speaker 3: But certainly these text messages that the defense is pointing 175 00:08:15,080 --> 00:08:19,040 Speaker 3: out and having read aloud to me as a layman, 176 00:08:19,120 --> 00:08:22,800 Speaker 3: it seems like these women were motivated by love and 177 00:08:22,840 --> 00:08:25,520 Speaker 3: desire and maybe even some money. 178 00:08:25,560 --> 00:08:27,720 Speaker 4: Maybe even some money, but that's that was their choice. 179 00:08:27,760 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 3: They wanted to they wanted to be able to live 180 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,320 Speaker 3: a different kind of lifestyle, so that all seems like 181 00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 3: off benefit to them that and how many other women 182 00:08:35,520 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 3: have done things that they didn't want to do because 183 00:08:37,520 --> 00:08:39,160 Speaker 3: they love demand. I mean, I think that's just a 184 00:08:39,480 --> 00:08:42,200 Speaker 3: common thing that has happened. Does that mean a crime 185 00:08:42,280 --> 00:08:43,960 Speaker 3: was committed. Does that mean that someone needs to go 186 00:08:43,960 --> 00:08:45,400 Speaker 3: to prison for the rest of their lives? 187 00:08:45,480 --> 00:08:47,160 Speaker 2: Well, that okay, And I just want to make sure 188 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,200 Speaker 2: you're saying that as far as what the jurors might have. 189 00:08:49,360 --> 00:08:54,600 Speaker 4: Correct, correct, I'm thinking about this. No, no, no, no, I'm 190 00:08:54,640 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 4: not saying that. 191 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 3: I'm saying I think, well, I do think that most 192 00:08:57,640 --> 00:08:59,480 Speaker 3: women can put themselves in that position. 193 00:08:59,520 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 4: I actually it'll be so interesting. 194 00:09:01,679 --> 00:09:04,520 Speaker 3: To see if the jurors do decide to speak or 195 00:09:04,520 --> 00:09:06,640 Speaker 3: at least talk about why they made their decisions, but 196 00:09:07,200 --> 00:09:10,600 Speaker 3: like how it falls not just between black and white 197 00:09:10,720 --> 00:09:14,360 Speaker 3: or race, but gender and as a woman. You know, Look, 198 00:09:14,880 --> 00:09:17,959 Speaker 3: I was disgusted and appalled and hearing and seeing all 199 00:09:17,960 --> 00:09:21,360 Speaker 3: of this and just feeling so badly for these women 200 00:09:21,400 --> 00:09:25,600 Speaker 3: who are giving this gut wrenching testimony and putting themselves 201 00:09:25,800 --> 00:09:29,360 Speaker 3: and their reputations on the line, having been forced to 202 00:09:29,400 --> 00:09:33,960 Speaker 3: watch humiliating videos of sexually explicit acts that they were committing. 203 00:09:34,360 --> 00:09:39,520 Speaker 3: So I was definitely wanting to be team team women. 204 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:43,240 Speaker 3: But hearing all of these other text messages, I can 205 00:09:43,320 --> 00:09:45,920 Speaker 3: kind of see it in a human experience, and I'm 206 00:09:45,920 --> 00:09:49,640 Speaker 3: sure there's regret and I'm sure there's anger, But where 207 00:09:49,960 --> 00:09:53,920 Speaker 3: was their responsibility in participating? And that is where I 208 00:09:53,960 --> 00:09:57,679 Speaker 3: think a lot of jurors, as human beings and maybe 209 00:09:57,720 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 3: even as women, can. 210 00:09:58,679 --> 00:10:01,280 Speaker 4: Say, oh, sound they were love sick. 211 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:04,080 Speaker 3: Sounds like they really just wanted to be with him 212 00:10:04,080 --> 00:10:06,280 Speaker 3: and they would do anything they could to be with him. 213 00:10:06,400 --> 00:10:07,720 Speaker 4: Does that mean there was a crime? 214 00:10:07,840 --> 00:10:11,920 Speaker 2: You're saying that Their question is not a legal one 215 00:10:12,040 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: but almost an emotional one. It sounds like they're Obviously 216 00:10:16,480 --> 00:10:19,520 Speaker 2: emotions come into any jury deliberation. But all these jury 217 00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:21,760 Speaker 2: instructions and all these lee lees in the back and forth, 218 00:10:21,760 --> 00:10:23,680 Speaker 2: he was like, all right, let's follow the law. But 219 00:10:23,760 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 2: this might simply come down to whether or not they 220 00:10:25,840 --> 00:10:31,120 Speaker 2: believe these women, whether or not they believe that they 221 00:10:31,160 --> 00:10:34,080 Speaker 2: were part time. I asked you this the other day. 222 00:10:34,120 --> 00:10:38,079 Speaker 2: I think, can you be a part time victim if 223 00:10:38,120 --> 00:10:40,319 Speaker 2: the other part of the time you're a willing participant? 224 00:10:40,960 --> 00:10:42,640 Speaker 4: Yes? I think the answer to that is yes. 225 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:44,440 Speaker 1: Okay, so that's the guy. We get past that. 226 00:10:44,520 --> 00:10:46,000 Speaker 2: So then let's go with the part when they were 227 00:10:46,040 --> 00:10:49,600 Speaker 2: possibly a victim. Can you say, I mean, how much 228 00:10:49,679 --> 00:10:51,360 Speaker 2: doubt is someone going to have in their head in 229 00:10:51,360 --> 00:10:53,520 Speaker 2: that jury room? Is that what they're having to really 230 00:10:53,559 --> 00:10:57,360 Speaker 2: decide whether or not these women were willing participants? 231 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:58,439 Speaker 1: What was in their heart? 232 00:10:58,559 --> 00:11:00,800 Speaker 2: Was it about love that yes? 233 00:11:01,360 --> 00:11:03,400 Speaker 4: Or were they forced because. 234 00:11:03,840 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: There's that line. 235 00:11:05,400 --> 00:11:08,080 Speaker 4: Coercion for I mean, it's it's so tough. 236 00:11:08,160 --> 00:11:11,559 Speaker 3: It's so tough now and now that we've heard all 237 00:11:11,600 --> 00:11:15,840 Speaker 3: of the testimony and we've really seen Ditty's lawyers be 238 00:11:15,960 --> 00:11:19,600 Speaker 3: excellent in terms of where they took their questioning, where 239 00:11:19,640 --> 00:11:22,680 Speaker 3: they took their cross examination, it's cast a shadow of 240 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,040 Speaker 3: doubt for me, I mean, just as someone who's been 241 00:11:25,080 --> 00:11:37,880 Speaker 3: watching it for sure, this one's tough. 242 00:11:37,960 --> 00:11:38,679 Speaker 1: To our point. 243 00:11:39,080 --> 00:11:43,920 Speaker 2: One of the text messages April twenty twenty two, I 244 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:47,800 Speaker 2: even wrote a note to myself fear oh shit when 245 00:11:48,040 --> 00:11:49,880 Speaker 2: I saw this, and just that was the note thing. 246 00:11:49,960 --> 00:11:52,680 Speaker 2: Oh but and this is what Jane wrote to Ditty 247 00:11:52,760 --> 00:11:55,640 Speaker 2: in April twenty twenty two. Baby, I want to make 248 00:11:55,720 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 2: love to you. I haven't selfishly had you to myself 249 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:03,680 Speaker 2: for five months. I'm fine with the other stuff, but 250 00:12:03,800 --> 00:12:07,600 Speaker 2: I really just need you right now. Diddy's response, Okay, 251 00:12:07,640 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 2: whatever you want. That sounds like a couple. That sounds 252 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:14,000 Speaker 2: like a relationship, That sounds like an understanding. That eden 253 00:12:14,080 --> 00:12:17,480 Speaker 2: sounds like her telling him what we've been doing is cool. 254 00:12:17,720 --> 00:12:20,080 Speaker 2: Can I just have this? And the follow up to 255 00:12:20,120 --> 00:12:21,840 Speaker 2: this sure enough they had some alone time. 256 00:12:23,240 --> 00:12:24,080 Speaker 1: That's a tough. 257 00:12:23,880 --> 00:12:28,840 Speaker 3: Exchange, man, that really is that is incredibly damning. I 258 00:12:28,880 --> 00:12:33,199 Speaker 3: would think to the prosecution's contention that this was coercion, 259 00:12:33,800 --> 00:12:36,000 Speaker 3: that doesn't sound like coercion. 260 00:12:36,160 --> 00:12:39,200 Speaker 2: I'm fine with the other stuff, but I really just 261 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:43,200 Speaker 2: need you right now. His response was, Okay, whatever you want. 262 00:12:44,840 --> 00:12:47,120 Speaker 2: How I don't know what the prosecution. I don't know 263 00:12:47,120 --> 00:12:48,520 Speaker 2: if they're going to get up and say anything. They 264 00:12:48,559 --> 00:12:50,640 Speaker 2: get a chance to redirect with this witness, I don't 265 00:12:50,640 --> 00:12:51,800 Speaker 2: know if they're going to try to take that on 266 00:12:52,000 --> 00:12:56,439 Speaker 2: or not. But my word, that is just a totally 267 00:12:56,640 --> 00:12:58,160 Speaker 2: different picture. 268 00:12:58,320 --> 00:12:58,720 Speaker 4: Correct. 269 00:12:58,800 --> 00:13:02,520 Speaker 3: And the one that I just mentioned it, But the 270 00:13:02,520 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 3: one that really stood out to me was when and 271 00:13:05,400 --> 00:13:08,359 Speaker 3: it's it's Tenny Garagos who is doing the cross examination 272 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:13,280 Speaker 3: right now, but when she had the Homeland Security agent 273 00:13:13,679 --> 00:13:19,960 Speaker 3: read aloud the text messages between Ditty and Jane and 274 00:13:20,000 --> 00:13:23,480 Speaker 3: an escort, So they were all there texting, and Jane 275 00:13:23,559 --> 00:13:27,280 Speaker 3: text combs about the freak cops about having sex with 276 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:30,200 Speaker 3: an escort that the prosecution is maintaining. She was cool, 277 00:13:30,200 --> 00:13:34,000 Speaker 3: worce to do. It just gets better and better, and 278 00:13:34,040 --> 00:13:37,800 Speaker 3: she's telling ditty this. You know, it's so fascinating because 279 00:13:38,320 --> 00:13:41,720 Speaker 3: before we had cell phones and text messages. Imagine how 280 00:13:41,800 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 3: much more difficult this trial would be. But these text 281 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,719 Speaker 3: messages tell stories that you can't right, he. 282 00:13:47,679 --> 00:13:48,960 Speaker 1: Would be not guilty. 283 00:13:49,240 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 2: It's several years ago. You wouldn't have all this evidence, right, 284 00:13:52,200 --> 00:13:54,080 Speaker 2: That is so weird to think about. You would not 285 00:13:54,360 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: have this. It would just he says. She said, that's 286 00:13:57,040 --> 00:13:59,320 Speaker 2: all the option they would have at the time. That 287 00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,720 Speaker 2: is I never stop to think about this. Whole thing 288 00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,160 Speaker 2: has been about interactions and video and surveillance and electronics, 289 00:14:06,200 --> 00:14:07,040 Speaker 2: and it's. 290 00:14:06,920 --> 00:14:09,520 Speaker 4: All iPads about modern technology. 291 00:14:10,080 --> 00:14:12,400 Speaker 3: And you can try to make it look one way, 292 00:14:12,480 --> 00:14:14,440 Speaker 3: but then when the defense shines a light on the 293 00:14:14,600 --> 00:14:19,240 Speaker 3: other text messages, it the fuller picture is around. I mean, 294 00:14:19,280 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 3: I do think this gives the jury the best possible 295 00:14:22,600 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 3: vantage point other than actually being there and witnessing it 296 00:14:25,800 --> 00:14:28,560 Speaker 3: in the moment. It's kind of close because not only 297 00:14:28,800 --> 00:14:34,120 Speaker 3: look they yesterday. According to the Homeland Security Agent, they 298 00:14:34,280 --> 00:14:38,720 Speaker 3: found fifty video files just in a pretty short period 299 00:14:38,760 --> 00:14:39,080 Speaker 3: of time. 300 00:14:39,120 --> 00:14:41,000 Speaker 2: I believe that was the one that it was like 301 00:14:41,080 --> 00:14:42,880 Speaker 2: five days before Christmas one. 302 00:14:43,080 --> 00:14:47,000 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, it was December of twenty twenty one, I believe. 303 00:14:47,560 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 3: And they showed the jurors two of them. So, I mean, 304 00:14:51,200 --> 00:14:54,840 Speaker 3: this is wild. It's as close as you can get 305 00:14:54,880 --> 00:14:57,520 Speaker 3: to being there in the room with them and then 306 00:14:58,240 --> 00:15:02,800 Speaker 3: hearing how each party felt afterwards and beforehand, with text 307 00:15:02,880 --> 00:15:05,400 Speaker 3: messages accompanying these videos. 308 00:15:05,760 --> 00:15:08,480 Speaker 2: Can you imagine if this trial was allowed to be 309 00:15:08,600 --> 00:15:12,360 Speaker 2: on camera on TV, they couldn't think about the Oja trial, 310 00:15:12,440 --> 00:15:14,480 Speaker 2: thinking about even the Amber heard Johnny depth thing that 311 00:15:14,480 --> 00:15:17,720 Speaker 2: people were locked to. If this were on camp, we 312 00:15:17,760 --> 00:15:20,320 Speaker 2: could sit and watch this on TV every day, but. 313 00:15:20,280 --> 00:15:23,640 Speaker 4: They have to blur everything out. You couldn't have that audio, some. 314 00:15:23,640 --> 00:15:25,920 Speaker 2: Of the language. 315 00:15:26,560 --> 00:15:28,200 Speaker 4: It's not for TV. 316 00:15:29,080 --> 00:15:31,200 Speaker 1: Oh my god. I wouldn't miss a second of it. 317 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:33,440 Speaker 2: Maybe HBO I would have been captivated. 318 00:15:33,680 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have missed them. 319 00:15:36,720 --> 00:15:39,960 Speaker 4: Whether you want to admit it or not, you everyone 320 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:40,920 Speaker 4: would be watching this. 321 00:15:41,200 --> 00:15:42,360 Speaker 1: Yeah, And I. 322 00:15:42,320 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 2: Don't know how this one doesn't feel necessarily that voyeuristic 323 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:47,640 Speaker 2: to me. I suppose it is and there's a celebrity nature, 324 00:15:47,640 --> 00:15:51,200 Speaker 2: but that's so many things having like real societal issues 325 00:15:51,240 --> 00:15:55,520 Speaker 2: like we mentioned of race, of class, of power of man, woman, 326 00:15:55,560 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 2: of me too, of right relationships, of coersions, so many 327 00:15:59,520 --> 00:16:01,280 Speaker 2: fine lines, and there's so many things that I hope 328 00:16:01,280 --> 00:16:04,160 Speaker 2: we do discuss all of us after this trial. But 329 00:16:04,200 --> 00:16:07,120 Speaker 2: it was such a I guess it was such a cultural, 330 00:16:07,160 --> 00:16:12,120 Speaker 2: a societal event versus just a celebrity one, and that's 331 00:16:12,200 --> 00:16:13,080 Speaker 2: probably a good thing. 332 00:16:13,480 --> 00:16:13,680 Speaker 3: Yeah. 333 00:16:13,720 --> 00:16:15,520 Speaker 2: I know it's salacious and for a lot of folks 334 00:16:15,520 --> 00:16:17,160 Speaker 2: and the stuff, but I don't pay attention to a 335 00:16:17,160 --> 00:16:19,720 Speaker 2: lot of the stuff and the social media we're on. 336 00:16:19,960 --> 00:16:22,200 Speaker 2: I know people probably saying some pretty nasty things about 337 00:16:22,240 --> 00:16:23,000 Speaker 2: baby oil. 338 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:24,600 Speaker 1: And all those jokes and all that stuff. 339 00:16:24,880 --> 00:16:27,840 Speaker 2: But this has given us all a chance to have 340 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:29,360 Speaker 2: some pretty important conversations. 341 00:16:29,600 --> 00:16:31,760 Speaker 3: Yeah, this is about the music industry, This is about 342 00:16:31,760 --> 00:16:34,480 Speaker 3: the hip hop culture. This is about you know, where 343 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:40,000 Speaker 3: is the line between yes and maybe what's the gray area? 344 00:16:40,360 --> 00:16:43,360 Speaker 3: What's a crime what's not? I mean, and that will 345 00:16:43,440 --> 00:16:48,800 Speaker 3: always be in any in any trial, in any case. 346 00:16:50,080 --> 00:16:50,840 Speaker 4: An issue of. 347 00:16:52,560 --> 00:16:54,440 Speaker 3: And there's no rape charge here, but whether or not 348 00:16:54,520 --> 00:16:56,200 Speaker 3: you were forced to have sex or not have sex. 349 00:16:56,240 --> 00:16:59,440 Speaker 3: That has always been one of the most difficult crimes 350 00:16:59,480 --> 00:17:02,600 Speaker 3: to prove ever, because typically it is he said, she said, 351 00:17:02,960 --> 00:17:06,000 Speaker 3: And how do you know who said yes, who said no, 352 00:17:06,720 --> 00:17:10,600 Speaker 3: who wanted to who didn't. It's a very very delicate 353 00:17:10,800 --> 00:17:15,840 Speaker 3: issue that you know, this trial, there's so many ripple 354 00:17:15,840 --> 00:17:18,399 Speaker 3: effects that will happen based on what the outcome is, 355 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,240 Speaker 3: What the jury decides, what the verdict is, could affect 356 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:24,920 Speaker 3: whether cases come forward again, whether victims come forward again, 357 00:17:25,560 --> 00:17:28,879 Speaker 3: whether people feel empowered to do what they want because 358 00:17:29,680 --> 00:17:32,520 Speaker 3: someone got away with something. You know, is this will 359 00:17:32,680 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 3: have long standing, a long standing impact on future cases. 360 00:17:38,200 --> 00:17:42,119 Speaker 2: Yeah, and what's going to happen with I mean, we 361 00:17:42,320 --> 00:17:45,800 Speaker 2: have we considered the possibility that this man could walk 362 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,240 Speaker 2: out of their freeman, What that's going to look like? Man, 363 00:17:49,440 --> 00:17:51,920 Speaker 2: what that's going to mean. Have we considered what it 364 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,520 Speaker 2: looks like if he gets kind of a lesser charge. 365 00:17:54,560 --> 00:17:56,480 Speaker 2: Have we considered what looks like if they decide to 366 00:17:56,480 --> 00:17:57,280 Speaker 2: put him in jail for. 367 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,440 Speaker 1: The rest of his life. I don't know what. 368 00:18:01,200 --> 00:18:03,400 Speaker 2: No, there is no right or wrong. I just don't 369 00:18:03,520 --> 00:18:08,280 Speaker 2: know how we react to all those scenarios. Him walking 370 00:18:08,320 --> 00:18:10,840 Speaker 2: out in the front of that courthouse. I can't imagine. 371 00:18:10,920 --> 00:18:12,440 Speaker 4: We haven't seen him since the rest. 372 00:18:12,520 --> 00:18:13,959 Speaker 2: We have not laid eyes on him. 373 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,920 Speaker 4: We've got court sketch artists renderings of him. 374 00:18:18,160 --> 00:18:20,240 Speaker 1: I was just looking. Maybe I'm talking about this earlier. 375 00:18:20,240 --> 00:18:20,920 Speaker 1: I'm so tired. 376 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:24,600 Speaker 2: I just see one of the artists drawings of the 377 00:18:24,680 --> 00:18:26,920 Speaker 2: Homeland Security agent that's on the stand. They all it 378 00:18:26,960 --> 00:18:30,200 Speaker 2: looks like Reggie Miller to me from the Indiana Pasers. 379 00:18:30,240 --> 00:18:33,040 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, I'm sorry, I'm big xalf to y'all. 380 00:18:33,080 --> 00:18:36,400 Speaker 3: I'm we're sketch artists. I have noticed, and I'm sure 381 00:18:36,440 --> 00:18:38,560 Speaker 3: they're phenomenal at their jobs. And I'm not trying to 382 00:18:38,760 --> 00:18:40,360 Speaker 3: knock any of them there. I think there are three 383 00:18:40,400 --> 00:18:42,800 Speaker 3: of them, but they all the people in the court 384 00:18:42,880 --> 00:18:44,399 Speaker 3: room all look ghoulish to me. 385 00:18:46,160 --> 00:18:48,000 Speaker 4: That's the best way I can describe. 386 00:18:48,080 --> 00:18:49,080 Speaker 1: Look have you ever. 387 00:18:49,160 --> 00:18:51,399 Speaker 2: I don't know who's considered a great court remark, but 388 00:18:51,480 --> 00:18:53,520 Speaker 2: it's they're doing this so quickly in the heat of 389 00:18:53,560 --> 00:18:53,879 Speaker 2: them all. 390 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:54,520 Speaker 1: It's so good. 391 00:18:54,520 --> 00:18:57,240 Speaker 2: Things are moving so fast, So I I really do 392 00:18:57,359 --> 00:18:59,960 Speaker 2: give them credit. They're putting together this rendition in moments. 393 00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:00,879 Speaker 4: It's just, yeah, you're right. 394 00:19:01,040 --> 00:19:02,920 Speaker 1: I think that's so impressive that they're able to do. 395 00:19:03,040 --> 00:19:04,640 Speaker 1: But no, it's not supposed to be the Mona. 396 00:19:04,480 --> 00:19:08,359 Speaker 4: Lisa every time or like some exact science. There is 397 00:19:08,440 --> 00:19:10,640 Speaker 4: some creative license being taken place. 398 00:19:10,680 --> 00:19:13,040 Speaker 3: I just the one takeaway is that Sean Combs has 399 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,200 Speaker 3: a lot of gray hair that I never realized he did. 400 00:19:16,200 --> 00:19:18,160 Speaker 1: We all do, any. 401 00:19:18,000 --> 00:19:22,080 Speaker 2: Dude, any black man you see over forty five with 402 00:19:22,240 --> 00:19:24,840 Speaker 2: a black head of hair as gray as shit. Okay, 403 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:30,160 Speaker 2: I'm graying. I'm a full gray yet, but I'm graying. 404 00:19:30,400 --> 00:19:32,760 Speaker 2: Oh god, yeah, yes, grow the beard out. My beard 405 00:19:32,840 --> 00:19:33,440 Speaker 2: be full gray? 406 00:19:33,600 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 4: Would it really? 407 00:19:34,920 --> 00:19:38,160 Speaker 1: It's insane? Oh yes, we're all stopped. 408 00:19:38,640 --> 00:19:43,080 Speaker 2: He's fifty five, the jet black hair, like stop, I 409 00:19:43,200 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 2: love you, but come on. 410 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:47,159 Speaker 4: Man, Oh my goodness, Oh my goodness. Yes, So you 411 00:19:47,240 --> 00:19:49,440 Speaker 4: know we this is this is it. 412 00:19:50,200 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 3: The defense might present or enter into evidence a few 413 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:58,920 Speaker 3: exhibits or items, and then tomorrow the prosecution and the 414 00:19:58,960 --> 00:20:03,800 Speaker 3: defense will meet with the judge to discuss jury instructions, 415 00:20:04,080 --> 00:20:06,800 Speaker 3: and then it looks like we will have They said, 416 00:20:06,840 --> 00:20:08,160 Speaker 3: I don't know how they know this, but I guess 417 00:20:08,240 --> 00:20:10,520 Speaker 3: both the defense and the prosecution have four hours each 418 00:20:10,600 --> 00:20:13,280 Speaker 3: or their anticipatory is that what it is? Okay, so 419 00:20:13,440 --> 00:20:15,280 Speaker 3: four hours each to present their case. So that will 420 00:20:15,280 --> 00:20:17,960 Speaker 3: be full day on Thursday, and that will be fascinating. 421 00:20:18,040 --> 00:20:20,880 Speaker 3: I actually am really anticipating what they're going to say 422 00:20:20,920 --> 00:20:22,960 Speaker 3: and how they're gonna leave, what they're gonna leave the 423 00:20:23,040 --> 00:20:26,399 Speaker 3: jurors with, what their final final thoughts are. 424 00:20:26,440 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 4: And yes, we did four hours. That's a lot. God, 425 00:20:30,320 --> 00:20:33,359 Speaker 4: do different different attorneys take different parts of it? I 426 00:20:33,480 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 4: imagine you know. 427 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:35,040 Speaker 1: What I'm not used to. 428 00:20:35,200 --> 00:20:38,000 Speaker 2: I would say no, from the real cases I remember, 429 00:20:38,119 --> 00:20:40,399 Speaker 2: I don't remember them tag teaming. 430 00:20:40,680 --> 00:20:41,639 Speaker 1: Have you ever an argument? 431 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 4: Have you ever witnessed a four hour closing argument? 432 00:20:45,960 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 1: I don't think so. 433 00:20:46,880 --> 00:20:50,520 Speaker 3: Like you know, I've had obviously some experiences, and I 434 00:20:50,640 --> 00:20:54,080 Speaker 3: feel like nothing lasted more than thirty minutes, and certainly 435 00:20:54,080 --> 00:20:55,920 Speaker 3: when you watch a movie or a TV show it's 436 00:20:55,960 --> 00:20:59,159 Speaker 3: like ten minutes. So four hours that will be interesting 437 00:20:59,200 --> 00:21:00,719 Speaker 3: if they actually do take all that time. That's why 438 00:21:00,760 --> 00:21:02,440 Speaker 3: I thought maybe they might tag team. They've got a 439 00:21:02,480 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 3: team of lawyers on both sides, so maybe each lawyer 440 00:21:05,680 --> 00:21:07,520 Speaker 3: has a different section that they're going to present. 441 00:21:07,560 --> 00:21:09,199 Speaker 4: Because also, wouldn't that make it a little bit more 442 00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,280 Speaker 4: interesting for the juror to be listening to? 443 00:21:11,480 --> 00:21:14,280 Speaker 3: You have to you'd be like zoning out if the 444 00:21:14,359 --> 00:21:17,359 Speaker 3: same person just stood up there for a four hour monologue, 445 00:21:17,400 --> 00:21:19,960 Speaker 3: even if it was fascinating, riveting stuff about baby oil 446 00:21:20,000 --> 00:21:22,520 Speaker 3: and freak offs, still at a certain point you glaze over. 447 00:21:22,880 --> 00:21:23,640 Speaker 1: Okay, I'm. 448 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:28,600 Speaker 2: Okay, if this is correct. I just decided to check 449 00:21:28,680 --> 00:21:32,639 Speaker 2: closing arguments OJ Simpson four days. 450 00:21:33,119 --> 00:21:37,120 Speaker 1: What I'm what? I'm looking at it wild? I am again. 451 00:21:37,200 --> 00:21:38,720 Speaker 1: This is a quick Google search. 452 00:21:38,560 --> 00:21:41,399 Speaker 4: Folks, four days for closing argument for. 453 00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:48,160 Speaker 2: Days closing arguments in OJ trial days one through three. Wow, 454 00:21:49,160 --> 00:21:54,280 Speaker 2: recap length of closing arguments four days, length of deliberations 455 00:21:54,720 --> 00:21:55,679 Speaker 2: less than four hours. 456 00:21:56,480 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 1: That was in the OJ case. 457 00:21:57,880 --> 00:21:58,440 Speaker 4: That's why. 458 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:00,720 Speaker 1: Not crazy. But yeah, it's so we're sitting here talking 459 00:22:00,720 --> 00:22:01,440 Speaker 1: about four hours. 460 00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 4: Okay, So I guess that's quick and to the point. 461 00:22:04,560 --> 00:22:07,679 Speaker 3: So yes, But we will continue to monitor everything happening 462 00:22:07,720 --> 00:22:10,800 Speaker 3: in that Lower Manhattan courtroom. We appreciate you listening and 463 00:22:11,760 --> 00:22:14,160 Speaker 3: coming along with us to get the latest on what's 464 00:22:14,160 --> 00:22:15,280 Speaker 3: happening in the Didy trial. 465 00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:17,080 Speaker 4: But thank you for being with us, and we hope 466 00:22:17,119 --> 00:22:18,560 Speaker 4: you all have a wonderful Tuesday.