1 00:00:00,440 --> 00:00:07,400 Speaker 1: All right, this is the Doug Gottlieb Show. Here's in 2 00:00:07,440 --> 00:00:09,559 Speaker 1: the bonus with Doug Gottlieb. 3 00:00:09,880 --> 00:00:12,639 Speaker 2: What Doug Gottlieb Show. In the bonus Fox Sports Radio. 4 00:00:12,720 --> 00:00:25,239 Speaker 2: iHeartRadio app Welcome in. So there's really only one topic today. 5 00:00:25,239 --> 00:00:26,880 Speaker 2: I mean, I mean think we can do other topics, 6 00:00:26,920 --> 00:00:29,760 Speaker 2: but it's all by the Sharon more deal. And the 7 00:00:29,800 --> 00:00:34,440 Speaker 2: podcast is great because we can actually kind of speak freely, right, 8 00:00:34,560 --> 00:00:36,839 Speaker 2: speak freely. So let me kind of give you my 9 00:00:37,840 --> 00:00:40,879 Speaker 2: a spiel. And obviously listen to this podcast. Know that 10 00:00:40,960 --> 00:00:43,440 Speaker 2: the radio show podcast what this rolls into the next 11 00:00:43,440 --> 00:00:46,720 Speaker 2: two hours, and so we'll talk about it some more. 12 00:00:47,320 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 2: Obviously radio is a little bit different. I understand that 13 00:00:53,960 --> 00:01:01,080 Speaker 2: this is fucking stupid from Sharon Moore, right, It's it's stupid. 14 00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 2: It's one thing to cheat, it's another thing to cheat 15 00:01:05,520 --> 00:01:08,040 Speaker 2: on your wife. When the head coach at Michigan, it's 16 00:01:08,080 --> 00:01:09,720 Speaker 2: another thing to cheat on your wife. And the head 17 00:01:09,720 --> 00:01:15,600 Speaker 2: coach of Michigan with a staffer who works pause under you, 18 00:01:17,080 --> 00:01:27,160 Speaker 2: right when they report to you you are there superior employee. 19 00:01:28,000 --> 00:01:31,600 Speaker 2: Uh and and there's a lot to it. But I'm 20 00:01:31,640 --> 00:01:34,760 Speaker 2: gonna be honest with you. I actually feel a ton 21 00:01:34,800 --> 00:01:38,920 Speaker 2: of empathy and sympathy for the guy, because there's a 22 00:01:38,959 --> 00:01:41,800 Speaker 2: greater chance than not that he's going to lose his 23 00:01:41,800 --> 00:01:44,960 Speaker 2: family as well, lost his job, lost his family. And 24 00:01:45,000 --> 00:01:47,640 Speaker 2: I've heard about the reports. I don't know what's true 25 00:01:47,680 --> 00:01:50,320 Speaker 2: in terms of what happened last night in Michigan, if 26 00:01:50,320 --> 00:01:53,400 Speaker 2: he threatened to kill himself or whatever. Right, obviously that's 27 00:01:53,440 --> 00:01:59,080 Speaker 2: been reported several times over. But again I understand, I do. 28 00:01:59,280 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 2: I'm a guy who has done dumb shit in their life. 29 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:06,320 Speaker 2: I mean, when I was at Notre Dame, that's just 30 00:02:06,480 --> 00:02:11,359 Speaker 2: fucking dumb shit, dumb. I'm a guy who I went 31 00:02:11,400 --> 00:02:15,079 Speaker 2: through a divorce, I lost my wife and kids. It's 32 00:02:15,280 --> 00:02:21,240 Speaker 2: fucking devastating when you truly actually care. And I can't 33 00:02:21,280 --> 00:02:24,520 Speaker 2: imagine all of that stuff. And I have felt the 34 00:02:24,560 --> 00:02:29,440 Speaker 2: weight of media and social media when even like my 35 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 2: fucking stool last week, where in the hallway where no 36 00:02:32,960 --> 00:02:35,600 Speaker 2: one's gonna see, like I can feel, you can feel 37 00:02:35,600 --> 00:02:40,080 Speaker 2: the weight of it. Imagine being him last night and today, 38 00:02:40,240 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 2: or being his kids, or his wife or anybody associated 39 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:48,639 Speaker 2: with him. I just I dude, I get it. I 40 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:50,200 Speaker 2: know you're sitting there going, well, that's dumb shit, And 41 00:02:50,240 --> 00:02:52,720 Speaker 2: look there's a lot of dumb things. I think the 42 00:02:52,800 --> 00:03:00,680 Speaker 2: dumbest is, uh, you shouldn't have a woman on staff period. Stop. 43 00:03:00,800 --> 00:03:05,200 Speaker 2: It's just there's no way that they just the reward 44 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,760 Speaker 2: for it. And I've had people say, like we had 45 00:03:09,040 --> 00:03:11,839 Speaker 2: my director of basketball ops was Dennis Harrington. He left 46 00:03:11,880 --> 00:03:14,959 Speaker 2: and became a full time assistant air Force. And when 47 00:03:15,000 --> 00:03:17,120 Speaker 2: den Bo left, I had several people go, you know, 48 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:19,680 Speaker 2: it looked good you had a female dobo. 49 00:03:21,440 --> 00:03:21,600 Speaker 3: Like. 50 00:03:23,760 --> 00:03:28,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I'd love for somebody to be a but 51 00:03:29,040 --> 00:03:32,359 Speaker 2: like I can tell you, we had a sports psychologist 52 00:03:33,000 --> 00:03:35,240 Speaker 2: for our team last year. She was a young woman 53 00:03:35,280 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: who was studying to get her your master's or doctorate, 54 00:03:38,240 --> 00:03:40,200 Speaker 2: I don't remember. She was a very very nice lady, 55 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:45,480 Speaker 2: young lady. And again I had to tell everybody, Okay, 56 00:03:45,280 --> 00:03:50,760 Speaker 2: if you are in any way inappropriate, anyway inappropriate in 57 00:03:50,800 --> 00:03:54,360 Speaker 2: what you're wearing, how you're acting, if you texting like 58 00:03:54,760 --> 00:03:57,040 Speaker 2: and it's a hard one, right because this is you're 59 00:03:57,080 --> 00:04:01,440 Speaker 2: trying to encourage players. If you feel like you need counseling, 60 00:04:01,800 --> 00:04:04,400 Speaker 2: here's what we're gonna provide for you. We're gonna provide 61 00:04:04,480 --> 00:04:10,160 Speaker 2: counseling for you. But as you try and get vulnerable right, 62 00:04:10,240 --> 00:04:12,200 Speaker 2: like you can't hit on this girl like you just 63 00:04:12,280 --> 00:04:16,040 Speaker 2: you can't. It's off off, off, off limits, offlem it 64 00:04:16,080 --> 00:04:18,919 Speaker 2: doesn't matter if you're single. Off limits can't happen. Coaches 65 00:04:19,000 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: your single, I don't care. Can't happen, doesn't happen, So 66 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:28,599 Speaker 2: I don't. I'm sure Jason, you're just thinking, what a 67 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:36,040 Speaker 2: fucking dumbass. Yeah, but again, ask yourself, honestly, if you're 68 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 2: a guy, we have a higher propensity for dumb ass 69 00:04:42,520 --> 00:04:47,599 Speaker 2: things to do. Right. The reason that guys cost more 70 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:52,040 Speaker 2: to ensure as drivers is because guys do dumb shit. 71 00:04:55,040 --> 00:04:58,240 Speaker 2: And I'm just not gonna be I'm not gonna be 72 00:04:58,279 --> 00:05:00,440 Speaker 2: the guy who casts the first stone. I think that's 73 00:05:00,440 --> 00:05:03,680 Speaker 2: fucking stupid. I've done plenty of dumb shit in my life, 74 00:05:05,080 --> 00:05:07,479 Speaker 2: some of which the world knows about, some of which 75 00:05:07,520 --> 00:05:10,080 Speaker 2: the world doesn't know about, all of which I'm fucking 76 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 2: embarrassed by. And when you're a public figure and you 77 00:05:14,520 --> 00:05:18,919 Speaker 2: fuck up, the weight of the world is really, really heavy. 78 00:05:19,720 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 2: I'm not excusing it. I'm not saying that Michigan had 79 00:05:21,760 --> 00:05:23,960 Speaker 2: any other choice. I don't know of Michigan if this 80 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,640 Speaker 2: was all known and they pocketed and used it because 81 00:05:27,040 --> 00:05:29,400 Speaker 2: they've fallen off of their purchase being the top team 82 00:05:29,960 --> 00:05:32,240 Speaker 2: in the Big Ten from two years ago. I don't know, 83 00:05:33,200 --> 00:05:36,720 Speaker 2: I do know. It's really really dumb. It is incredibly preventable. 84 00:05:39,680 --> 00:05:42,320 Speaker 2: We could go into the there's only three undefeated teams right, 85 00:05:42,880 --> 00:05:50,279 Speaker 2: seventy two Dolphins, Father Time and Women. But I actually 86 00:05:50,279 --> 00:05:52,559 Speaker 2: woke up today going fuck, I feel bad for that dude. 87 00:05:53,800 --> 00:05:56,240 Speaker 2: He fucked up in a major way and there's just 88 00:05:56,400 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: no escaping it. What's interesting is, like fucking Bobby Petrino 89 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:09,600 Speaker 2: was the interim head coach at Arkansas this year where 90 00:06:09,640 --> 00:06:12,599 Speaker 2: he was the coach when he essentially did the exact 91 00:06:12,680 --> 00:06:20,320 Speaker 2: same thing. I gets crazy. As much as we can say, hey, 92 00:06:20,960 --> 00:06:23,400 Speaker 2: guys lose their job, you lose your career over it, 93 00:06:23,680 --> 00:06:27,760 Speaker 2: the fact is there is in college sports there is 94 00:06:27,960 --> 00:06:32,960 Speaker 2: only one sin which is fatal. It's not sins of 95 00:06:33,000 --> 00:06:36,560 Speaker 2: the flesh. It's losing. Bob Patrino won a lot of 96 00:06:36,560 --> 00:06:38,440 Speaker 2: games at Louisville. That's why he got that job a 97 00:06:38,480 --> 00:06:41,320 Speaker 2: second time. Bob Petreno was winning games at Arkansas. That's 98 00:06:41,320 --> 00:06:43,200 Speaker 2: why he got a second shot as an intermed coach. 99 00:06:44,400 --> 00:06:46,839 Speaker 2: Do I think Sharon Moore gets the second shot? Probably 100 00:06:47,279 --> 00:06:53,560 Speaker 2: somewhere down the line. But I actually feel a tremendous 101 00:06:53,560 --> 00:06:56,400 Speaker 2: amount of empathy, and then I feel empathy for I'm 102 00:06:56,400 --> 00:07:01,520 Speaker 2: empathetic for everybody else on that Michigan staff because when 103 00:07:01,600 --> 00:07:05,520 Speaker 2: he got fired yesterday, so did everybody else. Like they're 104 00:07:05,560 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 2: all gone, all of them. Like I'll use my own 105 00:07:11,240 --> 00:07:15,760 Speaker 2: montern Okla mistate as a as a parallel. Obviously, they 106 00:07:15,760 --> 00:07:17,760 Speaker 2: didn't fire Mike Gundy for anything off the field. That 107 00:07:17,760 --> 00:07:22,200 Speaker 2: guy's a stud off the field, right, But when they 108 00:07:22,200 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 2: did fire him, you know all those guys. Rob Glass 109 00:07:26,800 --> 00:07:28,920 Speaker 2: was the longest tenured strength coach in the Big Twelve. 110 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,080 Speaker 2: He's also the highest paid strength coach in the Big Twelve. 111 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 2: And if you ask anybody myself included, who's watched Oklhoma 112 00:07:33,880 --> 00:07:37,640 Speaker 2: State over the years, Rob Glass and Mike Gundy are 113 00:07:37,720 --> 00:07:40,760 Speaker 2: co responsible for the rise of that program. And Rob 114 00:07:40,760 --> 00:07:46,560 Speaker 2: Glass lost his job yesterday. His contract expired. And that's 115 00:07:46,560 --> 00:07:48,280 Speaker 2: what happens. You bring in a new coach, they're going 116 00:07:48,280 --> 00:07:49,760 Speaker 2: to clean house. They're gonna bring in their own guys. 117 00:07:49,840 --> 00:07:52,000 Speaker 2: Even if you're really good at your job, they want 118 00:07:52,000 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 2: to bring in guys they know, guys, they've worked with, 119 00:07:53,480 --> 00:07:57,640 Speaker 2: guys that are loyal to them. I understand that. But 120 00:07:57,680 --> 00:07:59,760 Speaker 2: when Sharon Moore got fired yesterday, just so you know, 121 00:08:00,000 --> 00:08:04,600 Speaker 2: everybody else in that program got fired, and he's responsible 122 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:07,320 Speaker 2: for it, and any sort of human being or what 123 00:08:07,360 --> 00:08:10,200 Speaker 2: their salt, knows he's responsible for it. That's the respect. 124 00:08:10,320 --> 00:08:14,040 Speaker 2: That's the weight of being a head coach. That's what 125 00:08:14,200 --> 00:08:19,240 Speaker 2: you don't understand. That's the stress. If you're a real 126 00:08:19,520 --> 00:08:23,880 Speaker 2: human being. The stress comes not from your own like 127 00:08:24,120 --> 00:08:27,200 Speaker 2: I'm gonna be good, Like we're gonna get this thing going. 128 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,160 Speaker 2: We think it's going in the right direction. We're gonna 129 00:08:29,200 --> 00:08:30,800 Speaker 2: get this thing turned. We're gonna get this thing to 130 00:08:30,840 --> 00:08:32,600 Speaker 2: be the top program in the Rising League. I have 131 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:38,600 Speaker 2: zero doubt about it. But the reason that anything else 132 00:08:38,720 --> 00:08:43,600 Speaker 2: you do is important is and the stress of wanting 133 00:08:43,640 --> 00:08:46,800 Speaker 2: to get it done is knowing that if you get fired, 134 00:08:46,880 --> 00:08:49,160 Speaker 2: or if you do some stupid all those other people 135 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:51,240 Speaker 2: are getting fired. All the people you like, all the 136 00:08:51,240 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 2: people who trusted you, who believe in you, they're getting fired. 137 00:08:55,480 --> 00:08:57,040 Speaker 2: And that's what you When you're an assistant coach and 138 00:08:57,080 --> 00:08:59,040 Speaker 2: you take that job, you're taking the job because you 139 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:01,000 Speaker 2: believe in the head coach. Leaving the program you believe 140 00:09:01,000 --> 00:09:05,080 Speaker 2: in what they're doing. So I get that he's an 141 00:09:05,160 --> 00:09:08,920 Speaker 2: easy punching bag, and it's it's really easy to go 142 00:09:09,000 --> 00:09:11,839 Speaker 2: top rope on a dude and for and there's plenty 143 00:09:11,840 --> 00:09:13,920 Speaker 2: of people on social media who are like, hey, you 144 00:09:14,000 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 2: jumped down Michigan State a couple of years ago. You know, 145 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:19,079 Speaker 2: now you're jumping on you know now Michigan's doing the 146 00:09:19,120 --> 00:09:22,120 Speaker 2: same thing. I get it. I understand it, like we can. Well, 147 00:09:22,160 --> 00:09:24,000 Speaker 2: we talked about that a lot on radio, and we'll 148 00:09:24,000 --> 00:09:27,760 Speaker 2: talk about it now. But I don't know. I woke 149 00:09:27,840 --> 00:09:29,559 Speaker 2: up and like, oh my god, can you imagine just 150 00:09:29,600 --> 00:09:37,559 Speaker 2: waking up and being that guy today? Right, he can't sleep. 151 00:09:37,720 --> 00:09:39,760 Speaker 2: I don't know if he's still in custody, but you're 152 00:09:39,800 --> 00:09:43,560 Speaker 2: not going home to sleep anywhere you go in public 153 00:09:43,600 --> 00:09:49,840 Speaker 2: and an arbor. People know who Jase do. Am I 154 00:09:49,880 --> 00:09:51,439 Speaker 2: wrong to feel some empathy towards him? 155 00:09:51,800 --> 00:09:55,320 Speaker 4: I think so. I just think that, you know, as 156 00:09:55,360 --> 00:09:57,520 Speaker 4: my dad told me and as I've told my son, 157 00:09:58,360 --> 00:10:02,160 Speaker 4: you know, life comes down to choices. You know, if 158 00:10:02,200 --> 00:10:04,760 Speaker 4: you choose not to do your homework, that means you're 159 00:10:04,800 --> 00:10:08,320 Speaker 4: choosing to not watch TV. There are choices that we 160 00:10:08,360 --> 00:10:10,960 Speaker 4: all make, and we all have the agency to not 161 00:10:11,080 --> 00:10:16,280 Speaker 4: make I think giving him giving him any any kind 162 00:10:16,320 --> 00:10:18,640 Speaker 4: of breathing room here on the choices that he made, 163 00:10:18,679 --> 00:10:22,640 Speaker 4: the devastating choices. You laid out every all the downstream 164 00:10:22,760 --> 00:10:27,600 Speaker 4: impact of his choices. He had people's livelihoods at stake, 165 00:10:28,040 --> 00:10:35,040 Speaker 4: his own livelihood, his family, and his kids. I just 166 00:10:35,080 --> 00:10:38,240 Speaker 4: don't know if I could give him any latitude here. 167 00:10:38,840 --> 00:10:41,480 Speaker 4: When you say that men make men do stupid things, 168 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,840 Speaker 4: I mean there's degrees of that. Just just just on Monday, 169 00:10:46,880 --> 00:10:49,400 Speaker 4: you said that one of the reasons you didn't think 170 00:10:49,440 --> 00:10:53,680 Speaker 4: Pete Carroll had it in him to cover that spread 171 00:10:53,880 --> 00:10:57,760 Speaker 4: for a gambling is because he knows that he would 172 00:10:57,760 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 4: have lost his career if he was caught, which implies 173 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:06,280 Speaker 4: that you have an agency in circumstances. Cheron more knew 174 00:11:06,360 --> 00:11:09,400 Speaker 4: the consequences of this and he chose to do it. 175 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:14,079 Speaker 4: And also, surrounding yourself with women implies that we're all 176 00:11:14,160 --> 00:11:18,560 Speaker 4: just Neanderthals that aren't mature enough to make decisions around women. 177 00:11:19,280 --> 00:11:20,480 Speaker 4: And I think that's false. 178 00:11:22,080 --> 00:11:27,440 Speaker 2: Uh Okay again, this is why it's a really good topic. 179 00:11:27,480 --> 00:11:29,120 Speaker 2: This is why we talked about it in a radio 180 00:11:30,600 --> 00:11:35,400 Speaker 2: and you know it's the it's it's no different from 181 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:40,040 Speaker 2: in my mind, and I actually have less empathy for 182 00:11:40,080 --> 00:11:44,520 Speaker 2: people who are drunk drivers. For people who are drunk 183 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:50,000 Speaker 2: drivers less because you talked about downstream effects. Right, you're 184 00:11:50,040 --> 00:11:52,520 Speaker 2: affecting other people, but you can kill other people and 185 00:11:52,520 --> 00:11:56,280 Speaker 2: you're basically in a loaded weapon in a car. Right. 186 00:11:56,920 --> 00:12:01,240 Speaker 2: But as I say, how many people, again, there's a 187 00:12:01,320 --> 00:12:03,160 Speaker 2: we consider here and go like, well, I would never 188 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:06,440 Speaker 2: cheat on my wife, especially with somebody who works in 189 00:12:06,480 --> 00:12:10,240 Speaker 2: my office. I understand most people would not. I hopefully 190 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: would not, But there's a percentage of people that would 191 00:12:13,480 --> 00:12:15,000 Speaker 2: say I will never get behind the wheel of a 192 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:18,760 Speaker 2: car drinking, and then they do, right, and that has 193 00:12:19,440 --> 00:12:27,080 Speaker 2: longer lasting, more drastic effects if anything goes wrong. So again, 194 00:12:27,280 --> 00:12:30,480 Speaker 2: this is not me in any way saying hey man, 195 00:12:31,040 --> 00:12:35,720 Speaker 2: I get it, Jesus cutie, right, got it? Like, no, 196 00:12:35,800 --> 00:12:39,920 Speaker 2: it's not that, it's the well that was fucking dumb. God, 197 00:12:40,000 --> 00:12:45,680 Speaker 2: that was dumb. And you know, especially when you're the 198 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,160 Speaker 2: head coach, when it's Michigan, she works for you, Like 199 00:12:48,280 --> 00:12:51,559 Speaker 2: what the fuck or how did no one say? Like coach, 200 00:12:51,679 --> 00:12:57,920 Speaker 2: this is a bad idea, bad idea, bad idea. I 201 00:12:57,920 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 2: don't know, but what I do know is, holy shit, 202 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: he lost his whole life yesterday, his whole life, and 203 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,040 Speaker 2: just again. In the family dynamic and in the head 204 00:13:11,080 --> 00:13:15,160 Speaker 2: coaching dynamic, I can on many levels like I know 205 00:13:15,200 --> 00:13:19,920 Speaker 2: what it's like to, you know, do something dumb and 206 00:13:20,040 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: affect other people and not have thought of it in 207 00:13:22,640 --> 00:13:22,960 Speaker 2: the moment. 208 00:13:23,040 --> 00:13:25,280 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 209 00:13:25,320 --> 00:13:28,880 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 210 00:13:28,920 --> 00:13:31,679 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio. 211 00:13:30,920 --> 00:13:37,960 Speaker 2: App Let's Get Up, the Fox Says, and now every 212 00:13:38,040 --> 00:13:40,120 Speaker 2: again this time in the motus podcast we played for 213 00:13:40,160 --> 00:13:43,080 Speaker 2: your previous portion of Box Sports Radio Fox Sports One Show. 214 00:13:43,480 --> 00:13:46,720 Speaker 2: There's really one topic today, but many different sorts of 215 00:13:46,760 --> 00:13:50,280 Speaker 2: ways to take it. It's all about Sharon Moore's ouster 216 00:13:50,520 --> 00:13:54,840 Speaker 2: at Michigan. Here's Brady Quinn Domer talking about the situation 217 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:55,920 Speaker 2: at Michigan. 218 00:13:56,760 --> 00:13:59,920 Speaker 5: College football is a world where it's a crazy space 219 00:14:00,120 --> 00:14:04,360 Speaker 5: because you have these really really rich, wealthy donors who 220 00:14:04,400 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 5: have such a strong, powerful position behind the scenes that 221 00:14:12,000 --> 00:14:16,520 Speaker 5: are these puppet masters at least at their schools, where 222 00:14:16,520 --> 00:14:18,600 Speaker 5: if they want something done, they have their ways of 223 00:14:18,600 --> 00:14:22,600 Speaker 5: getting them done. And oftentimes when you pay a coach 224 00:14:23,120 --> 00:14:24,880 Speaker 5: and you're a part of that and then you have 225 00:14:24,920 --> 00:14:26,640 Speaker 5: a falling out or you don't want the coach to 226 00:14:26,680 --> 00:14:29,800 Speaker 5: be there anymore. What they typically do is they try 227 00:14:29,840 --> 00:14:34,320 Speaker 5: to use a cause in some fashion or form to 228 00:14:34,360 --> 00:14:37,720 Speaker 5: get out of having to pay that coach. In this case, 229 00:14:38,000 --> 00:14:40,320 Speaker 5: what I had heard was that there was an investigation 230 00:14:40,440 --> 00:14:44,560 Speaker 5: going on about an appropriate relationship with a staffer, and 231 00:14:44,760 --> 00:14:47,200 Speaker 5: I kind of thought to myself at that time, given 232 00:14:47,240 --> 00:14:49,440 Speaker 5: the timing of what was happening in football, and then 233 00:14:49,480 --> 00:14:52,080 Speaker 5: looking at this, was all right, how much of this 234 00:14:52,160 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 5: is legitimate? How much of this has to do with 235 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,920 Speaker 5: where they are on the field. The question kind of 236 00:14:57,920 --> 00:15:00,480 Speaker 5: came about where's this program going? Is shrow More the 237 00:15:00,600 --> 00:15:03,160 Speaker 5: right guy for it? And all you needed was a 238 00:15:03,160 --> 00:15:07,120 Speaker 5: little extra motivation to be able to say, yeah, let's 239 00:15:07,120 --> 00:15:12,560 Speaker 5: move on. And obviously the what's being reported is terrible 240 00:15:13,040 --> 00:15:16,120 Speaker 5: what he's been alleged of doing. But I also wonder 241 00:15:16,200 --> 00:15:18,720 Speaker 5: when you look at just the investigation in the first place, 242 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:22,160 Speaker 5: you know how all this stuff comes about, because that's 243 00:15:22,200 --> 00:15:23,240 Speaker 5: typically what happens. 244 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:23,360 Speaker 4: Now. 245 00:15:23,400 --> 00:15:25,960 Speaker 5: A lot of these schools, they look for, they look 246 00:15:26,000 --> 00:15:27,640 Speaker 5: at the coach. If he's not doing a good job, 247 00:15:27,920 --> 00:15:30,400 Speaker 5: they do everything they can to try to find a 248 00:15:30,440 --> 00:15:31,920 Speaker 5: way of firing with costs and they don't have to 249 00:15:31,920 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 5: pay him. 250 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:38,640 Speaker 2: I completely agree with Brady's premise, but I also will 251 00:15:38,720 --> 00:15:42,280 Speaker 2: tell you that the part that makes it so that 252 00:15:42,400 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: he was going to be fired regardless was that she 253 00:15:45,360 --> 00:15:49,360 Speaker 2: was on staff. Right, that's this is Bobby Petrino. This 254 00:15:49,480 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 2: is the same thing. Right, You're not supposed to have 255 00:15:52,600 --> 00:15:55,560 Speaker 2: an affair when you're married, but it does, in fact happen. 256 00:15:56,520 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 2: It does, and I read something where like over seventy 257 00:16:01,720 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: percent of affairs happened in the workplace. Whatever. But it's 258 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:10,960 Speaker 2: it's one thing to have it inappropriate relationship. It's another 259 00:16:11,000 --> 00:16:15,840 Speaker 2: thing to have an inappropriate relationship with someone who works. 260 00:16:16,880 --> 00:16:20,440 Speaker 2: Sorry for the term pause under you, Right, it just does. 261 00:16:20,800 --> 00:16:25,040 Speaker 2: So Brady's right. They if they want to fire you, 262 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:26,800 Speaker 2: they're going to find a way to not pay you. 263 00:16:27,960 --> 00:16:32,040 Speaker 2: They'll they'll find a reason. But a Sharon Moore gave 264 00:16:32,120 --> 00:16:35,760 Speaker 2: him far too easy a reason. Here's Dan Patrick talking 265 00:16:35,760 --> 00:16:37,760 Speaker 2: about possible replacements at Michigan. 266 00:16:38,680 --> 00:16:42,720 Speaker 6: The coaching carousel stopped. Everybody got their long term deals 267 00:16:42,840 --> 00:16:46,200 Speaker 6: or they went and took other jobs. Now you got 268 00:16:46,240 --> 00:16:48,880 Speaker 6: to have a coach, and you got to get one quickly. 269 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:51,200 Speaker 6: If this is three weeks ago, does Matt Campbell go 270 00:16:51,240 --> 00:16:54,000 Speaker 6: to Penn State. Now you're going to look at other guys. 271 00:16:54,280 --> 00:16:56,400 Speaker 6: They're going to go after Kaitlin de Boor, they're going 272 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,200 Speaker 6: to go after Vanderbilt's Clark Lee. They're going to go 273 00:16:59,240 --> 00:17:04,119 Speaker 6: after to Kenny Dialingham at Arizona State. Nobody thought Michigan 274 00:17:04,240 --> 00:17:06,920 Speaker 6: was gonna be open. So this is a mess. This 275 00:17:07,040 --> 00:17:10,760 Speaker 6: is a mess on all fronts with Michigan. I'm gonna 276 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,520 Speaker 6: throw out a wild card name and I have no 277 00:17:13,760 --> 00:17:17,720 Speaker 6: information on this, But if I need a coach right now, 278 00:17:18,560 --> 00:17:23,359 Speaker 6: proven coach right now, has no ties to anything right now, 279 00:17:24,320 --> 00:17:28,600 Speaker 6: I go after Brian Kelly. He knows the landscape, no ties, 280 00:17:29,320 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 6: got the money coming from LSU, but he. 281 00:17:31,920 --> 00:17:32,399 Speaker 2: Would go in. 282 00:17:32,640 --> 00:17:35,600 Speaker 6: You could go right in right away. But the other ones, 283 00:17:35,720 --> 00:17:38,400 Speaker 6: you know, that's kind of a tangled web of trying 284 00:17:38,440 --> 00:17:41,639 Speaker 6: to get these coaches. Can you get somebody right now? 285 00:17:43,400 --> 00:17:45,199 Speaker 2: Yeah? You can. You can get somebody right now. You 286 00:17:45,320 --> 00:17:47,640 Speaker 2: just have to, you know, figure out who you wanted 287 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:52,240 Speaker 2: to be and how you wanted to build it. My 288 00:17:52,320 --> 00:17:56,159 Speaker 2: personal suggestion why Brian Kelly makes sense is he can 289 00:17:56,800 --> 00:17:59,399 Speaker 2: he can hit the portal and know exactly who he wants. 290 00:17:59,440 --> 00:18:02,040 Speaker 2: They were playing and get LSU right, they had all 291 00:18:02,080 --> 00:18:03,880 Speaker 2: the plans. He can bring in, the coaches, he can 292 00:18:03,880 --> 00:18:06,199 Speaker 2: bring in the players, because you're going to have a 293 00:18:06,280 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 2: mostly new team whomever gets this job. Remember, once you 294 00:18:11,160 --> 00:18:13,560 Speaker 2: players can go in the portal anyway, but they have 295 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,840 Speaker 2: until thirty days after a coach is hired, now changed 296 00:18:16,840 --> 00:18:19,600 Speaker 2: from when they're fired, but until they hired to decide 297 00:18:19,600 --> 00:18:20,919 Speaker 2: whether or not they want to be in the portal, 298 00:18:20,960 --> 00:18:26,159 Speaker 2: and generally everybody leaves. That's how it works. So the idea, 299 00:18:26,280 --> 00:18:29,119 Speaker 2: like the John Gruden idea, sounds like a great idea, 300 00:18:29,800 --> 00:18:31,919 Speaker 2: but it only works if he brings in a staff 301 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 2: full of guys that have been in college, that know 302 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:35,920 Speaker 2: what they want, who they want, and understand that they're 303 00:18:35,920 --> 00:18:37,359 Speaker 2: going to have. It's going to be a rough first 304 00:18:37,400 --> 00:18:39,440 Speaker 2: year because you're going to have a whole new team, 305 00:18:39,480 --> 00:18:41,240 Speaker 2: a whole new staff, and he's got to figure out 306 00:18:41,240 --> 00:18:45,640 Speaker 2: the college landscape. But Brian Kelly's not a bad name 307 00:18:46,280 --> 00:18:49,240 Speaker 2: in any way. I think if there's a way to 308 00:18:49,359 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 2: look at other coaches in the Big twelve that may 309 00:18:54,640 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 2: have hit a ceilium that really that's the Matt Campbell 310 00:18:56,840 --> 00:18:59,639 Speaker 2: hire at Penn State. Right, We're like, ah, kind of 311 00:18:59,680 --> 00:19:05,040 Speaker 2: hit a there. You know, there's there are other options 312 00:19:05,240 --> 00:19:08,879 Speaker 2: that do work. But I think that in an effort 313 00:19:08,960 --> 00:19:12,920 Speaker 2: to stabilize a program, because otherwise you're going to get pummeled, 314 00:19:13,320 --> 00:19:16,200 Speaker 2: you have to hire somebody that has a team staff 315 00:19:16,560 --> 00:19:19,119 Speaker 2: to come over, as opposed to hiring somebody who comes 316 00:19:20,280 --> 00:19:22,959 Speaker 2: from the NFL, for example, or from not coaching. That's 317 00:19:22,960 --> 00:19:26,320 Speaker 2: what my personal perspective. Here's Colin Cowherd talking about the 318 00:19:26,320 --> 00:19:28,760 Speaker 2: decision to promote your own more to begin with. 319 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,600 Speaker 3: It's not every job, but certain jobs in America you 320 00:19:32,680 --> 00:19:37,040 Speaker 3: need an elevated sense of character, both personally and professionally. 321 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:44,400 Speaker 3: You know, school president, you hope, the church, college campus jobs. 322 00:19:45,000 --> 00:19:47,000 Speaker 3: There are certain jobs where you have to have a 323 00:19:47,080 --> 00:19:49,840 Speaker 3: seriousness about you, in a maturity about you so you 324 00:19:49,880 --> 00:19:52,600 Speaker 3: can meet the job. You can meet the program, you 325 00:19:52,600 --> 00:19:55,679 Speaker 3: can meet the standard. Michigan football is not only a 326 00:19:55,760 --> 00:19:59,159 Speaker 3: college football job, it's one of America's great public institutions. 327 00:20:00,000 --> 00:20:02,680 Speaker 3: When I was a kid growing up, to me, Michigan football, 328 00:20:03,119 --> 00:20:05,439 Speaker 3: it's his way, pre Brady, I thought it was the 329 00:20:05,440 --> 00:20:09,280 Speaker 3: best program in America. Like the fight song, the crowd, 330 00:20:09,400 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 3: the games, and Michigan football to me as a kid, 331 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 3: even through college, like that was the job, a great university, 332 00:20:17,080 --> 00:20:22,160 Speaker 3: wonderful fans, and Sharon Moore to me, I'll be honest 333 00:20:22,160 --> 00:20:26,320 Speaker 3: with you, he always felt like an interim coach. I 334 00:20:26,359 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 3: just didn't think he was that good of a coach, 335 00:20:28,840 --> 00:20:32,199 Speaker 3: right Like, even at his opening presser he kind of 336 00:20:32,280 --> 00:20:36,040 Speaker 3: used a hardball quote. He didn't have his own identity. Again, 337 00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:37,600 Speaker 3: I didn't think he was that great of a coach, 338 00:20:38,240 --> 00:20:41,920 Speaker 3: but he was close to Jim Harball. And my rule 339 00:20:42,000 --> 00:20:44,720 Speaker 3: has never changed in thirty years in this business. I 340 00:20:44,800 --> 00:20:50,400 Speaker 3: have a rule in sports and in any business, the 341 00:20:50,440 --> 00:20:56,280 Speaker 3: greater the employee you're asked to replace Jim Harball, the 342 00:20:56,480 --> 00:21:00,280 Speaker 3: wider the search has to be. You can't just hand 343 00:21:00,320 --> 00:21:05,760 Speaker 3: it to a staffer if you're trying to replace Jim Harball. 344 00:21:05,200 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 2: I genuinely generally agree. Okay. The problem is that, first 345 00:21:12,320 --> 00:21:19,600 Speaker 2: of all, Michigan had storied success when coach Fisher, Steve 346 00:21:19,640 --> 00:21:24,120 Speaker 2: Fisher took over with basketball, right he was an assistant coach, 347 00:21:24,160 --> 00:21:26,680 Speaker 2: he was a Michigan man, and he took over the job. 348 00:21:27,520 --> 00:21:31,360 Speaker 2: Michigan State in basketball had Tom Izzo as the heir 349 00:21:31,359 --> 00:21:35,240 Speaker 2: apparent to the great jud Heathcote, So there is precedents 350 00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:40,600 Speaker 2: there in college football coach. Odo took over one at USC. 351 00:21:40,880 --> 00:21:46,040 Speaker 2: They probably should have given him the job when he 352 00:21:46,080 --> 00:21:48,720 Speaker 2: took over as an interim. Then he did. So he 353 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:53,400 Speaker 2: got the job at LSU when Les Miles left right, 354 00:21:53,440 --> 00:21:55,800 Speaker 2: and he took them to greater heights. And he had 355 00:21:56,040 --> 00:21:58,880 Speaker 2: failed as a head coach previously at Ole Miss. There's 356 00:21:58,880 --> 00:22:01,119 Speaker 2: certain guys that fit certain jobs for a certain amount 357 00:22:01,119 --> 00:22:05,000 Speaker 2: of time, So Colin's not wrong. But I think what 358 00:22:05,200 --> 00:22:10,240 Speaker 2: was done by Michigan, and again this is a congruent take. 359 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 2: It's the idea of you're gonna lose your defensive coordinator, 360 00:22:13,760 --> 00:22:16,479 Speaker 2: You're gonna lose your head coach. They had a senior laden, 361 00:22:16,920 --> 00:22:20,040 Speaker 2: draft heavy team and the only way to keep the 362 00:22:20,119 --> 00:22:23,720 Speaker 2: train going down the tracks and keep the organization was 363 00:22:23,760 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 2: to keep Sharon Moore and most of the other staffers there. 364 00:22:28,040 --> 00:22:32,720 Speaker 2: That's the reality to it. So you know, and you 365 00:22:32,760 --> 00:22:35,439 Speaker 2: win eight and nine games, and I get it, it 366 00:22:35,480 --> 00:22:38,399 Speaker 2: does feel like failure, and we had talked about it, 367 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,000 Speaker 2: but I don't think that two years, especially when you 368 00:22:41,000 --> 00:22:44,200 Speaker 2: start a freshman quarterback, I don't think two years is 369 00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,919 Speaker 2: enough time. I just do not. I don't believe that. 370 00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,639 Speaker 2: It's not like the bottom fell out It's not like 371 00:22:49,680 --> 00:22:52,680 Speaker 2: they were an embarrassment. It's you know, what he was 372 00:22:52,760 --> 00:22:55,240 Speaker 2: left with was he had to he had to figure 373 00:22:55,280 --> 00:22:57,680 Speaker 2: out the top half of his roster because the top 374 00:22:57,720 --> 00:23:00,920 Speaker 2: half had all left for the NFL Draft. Listen, everybody 375 00:23:00,920 --> 00:23:04,959 Speaker 2: has their own philosophy in hiring. There are no there 376 00:23:05,000 --> 00:23:08,840 Speaker 2: are no guarantees whomever you hire. A college football is 377 00:23:08,840 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: the perfect example of that, right Brian Kelly, for example, 378 00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 2: was that a good hire by LSU Like I actually 379 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,280 Speaker 2: thought it was. And you know, two years ago they 380 00:23:19,359 --> 00:23:21,560 Speaker 2: finished as like the hottest team of the country, Jane 381 00:23:21,640 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 2: Daniels wins the Heisman Trophy, and they couldn't get over 382 00:23:24,080 --> 00:23:26,120 Speaker 2: the hump the past two years and they fired him. 383 00:23:26,760 --> 00:23:30,920 Speaker 2: They fired him. You know that does happen. There are 384 00:23:31,000 --> 00:23:34,520 Speaker 2: hires that we don't love that are awesome, that work 385 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:38,280 Speaker 2: out really, really well. Even Ryan Day taking over. Ryan 386 00:23:38,320 --> 00:23:42,119 Speaker 2: Day was the air parent there. So again, you don't 387 00:23:42,200 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 2: like a staffer taking over. Ohio State has been the 388 00:23:45,880 --> 00:23:49,840 Speaker 2: best football program in the past two years in the country, 389 00:23:50,160 --> 00:23:52,840 Speaker 2: and Ryan Day was an assistant who took over an 390 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:55,439 Speaker 2: urban myra retire like, so again, what don't you like 391 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,600 Speaker 2: about it? You don't like Jeron Moore because you didn't 392 00:23:58,640 --> 00:24:01,800 Speaker 2: think he was a great interview. His impassioned interview after 393 00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,719 Speaker 2: Harball left was incredible, or when he was suspended was incredible. 394 00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,160 Speaker 2: So you know, I'm not gonna be critical of the hire. 395 00:24:09,520 --> 00:24:11,320 Speaker 2: I can only judge you based up on what you do, 396 00:24:11,400 --> 00:24:14,240 Speaker 2: and I understand why it made sense. That's what the 397 00:24:14,240 --> 00:24:17,240 Speaker 2: Fox says say. 398 00:24:17,400 --> 00:24:19,720 Speaker 1: Be sure to catch live editions of The Doug Gottlieb 399 00:24:19,800 --> 00:24:23,320 Speaker 1: Show weekdays at three pm Eastern noon Pacific on Fox 400 00:24:23,359 --> 00:24:25,639 Speaker 1: Sports Radio and the iHeartRadio app. 401 00:24:27,480 --> 00:24:29,879 Speaker 2: Let's find out what's annoying Jason Stewart. 402 00:24:31,920 --> 00:24:34,200 Speaker 1: And now it's your annoying. 403 00:24:39,119 --> 00:24:42,040 Speaker 4: Hey, Doug, The knives are out for Jalen Hurts this week, Right, 404 00:24:42,119 --> 00:24:46,240 Speaker 4: knives are out head coaches asking about replacing him at Starter. 405 00:24:48,000 --> 00:24:50,840 Speaker 4: You got the feeling that the entire aj Brown drama 406 00:24:50,960 --> 00:24:55,080 Speaker 4: this season was about one guy, Jalen Hurts. That's my 407 00:24:55,320 --> 00:24:58,480 Speaker 4: theory and I'm gonna stick to it, and I'm gonna 408 00:24:58,480 --> 00:24:59,080 Speaker 4: say this too. 409 00:24:59,280 --> 00:24:59,440 Speaker 2: Uh. 410 00:24:59,560 --> 00:25:03,119 Speaker 4: Jalen asked yesterday about all the adversity, and he answered 411 00:25:03,160 --> 00:25:03,520 Speaker 4: it this. 412 00:25:03,440 --> 00:25:08,080 Speaker 7: Way, success or greatness, those things aren't in near. You 413 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,040 Speaker 7: have your you have your downs with about how you 414 00:25:10,080 --> 00:25:13,360 Speaker 7: respond to it. And I think about think about that. 415 00:25:13,680 --> 00:25:15,919 Speaker 7: I mean, it's it's nothing new that I haven't faced before. 416 00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,600 Speaker 7: It's a matter of responding to it. And I got 417 00:25:18,640 --> 00:25:20,359 Speaker 7: a lot of confidence how we respond I got a 418 00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:21,480 Speaker 7: lot of confidence how we go. 419 00:25:22,440 --> 00:25:25,720 Speaker 4: You yourself have compared it to kind of Russell Wilson. I 420 00:25:25,760 --> 00:25:28,800 Speaker 4: have no idea how he's regarded within the Walker room. 421 00:25:28,840 --> 00:25:35,720 Speaker 4: I have no idea. I know Russell Wilson is extremely fake, disingenuous, 422 00:25:35,800 --> 00:25:38,480 Speaker 4: and it's obvious. I don't know Jalen hurts that way 423 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,560 Speaker 4: and he doesn't come off that way. But I will 424 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:46,480 Speaker 4: say this about him, that this cool temperament, this nothing 425 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:50,359 Speaker 4: affects me, nothing bothers me, looks really good when you're winning. 426 00:25:50,880 --> 00:25:53,679 Speaker 4: It looks great when you're winning a super Bowl. That 427 00:25:53,720 --> 00:25:57,240 Speaker 4: guy was unfettered. Highs and lows. You can never tell 428 00:25:57,359 --> 00:26:00,240 Speaker 4: he was the exact same. But when you're going one 429 00:26:00,280 --> 00:26:03,080 Speaker 4: through the shit and you have a fan base that 430 00:26:03,160 --> 00:26:07,760 Speaker 4: is that passionate, made up of that many imbeciles, and 431 00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:13,040 Speaker 4: a local media that is that vitriolic, I think you 432 00:26:13,240 --> 00:26:16,920 Speaker 4: have to show emotion. You have to or else you're 433 00:26:16,960 --> 00:26:21,080 Speaker 4: going to be digging yourself a deeper hole. Like in 434 00:26:21,119 --> 00:26:23,960 Speaker 4: this answer, I wanted to hear more passion. I didn't 435 00:26:23,960 --> 00:26:25,920 Speaker 4: want to hear that I've been through this, we'll get 436 00:26:25,960 --> 00:26:26,400 Speaker 4: through it. 437 00:26:27,080 --> 00:26:27,280 Speaker 1: Talk. 438 00:26:27,440 --> 00:26:30,920 Speaker 4: I think it's going to end up, I guess you 439 00:26:30,920 --> 00:26:33,640 Speaker 4: would say expediating his exit from Philly. 440 00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,719 Speaker 2: This temperament, it's a really it's a very interesting topic. 441 00:26:38,280 --> 00:26:41,280 Speaker 2: Let me expound. The first thing is one of the 442 00:26:41,320 --> 00:26:44,960 Speaker 2: reasons I didn't like the idea of Jalen Hurts in 443 00:26:45,040 --> 00:26:49,720 Speaker 2: the pros when he was drafted was I went to Oklahoma, 444 00:26:49,760 --> 00:26:53,080 Speaker 2: Oklahoma State OS you beat them in bedlam, and I 445 00:26:53,119 --> 00:26:55,520 Speaker 2: was on the field before the game and I was 446 00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,000 Speaker 2: talking to I remember who was there was a couple 447 00:26:58,040 --> 00:27:00,080 Speaker 2: of scouts, and I was with somebody who's broadcast in 448 00:27:00,119 --> 00:27:02,719 Speaker 2: the game. And again people can look it up if 449 00:27:02,720 --> 00:27:06,199 Speaker 2: they'd like to. And what everyone said was what I 450 00:27:06,240 --> 00:27:10,320 Speaker 2: had heard in college football circles, which is the Jalen 451 00:27:10,400 --> 00:27:13,879 Speaker 2: Hurts if you remember in college, he'd post that he 452 00:27:13,920 --> 00:27:17,360 Speaker 2: was like working out after games, like squatting some he's 453 00:27:17,400 --> 00:27:20,680 Speaker 2: a big squat you know, deadlift guy whatever, and he 454 00:27:20,680 --> 00:27:23,240 Speaker 2: would post those videos after the game or somebody who 455 00:27:23,280 --> 00:27:26,240 Speaker 2: did his social was and their their take was that 456 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:30,560 Speaker 2: they didn't those guys didn't love Jalen like it wasn't 457 00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,760 Speaker 2: because remember they had you know, they they also had 458 00:27:32,760 --> 00:27:35,520 Speaker 2: Baker Mayfield at one point, right, you got all these 459 00:27:35,560 --> 00:27:41,840 Speaker 2: other quarterbacks. Kyler was a good personality, but Baker was 460 00:27:41,880 --> 00:27:43,840 Speaker 2: the guy they loved. Jalen was a guy they're like, 461 00:27:45,480 --> 00:27:48,960 Speaker 2: it feels forced. There's some Russell Wilson there in terms 462 00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,680 Speaker 2: of the image is a little bit concocted. Now, I 463 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:58,480 Speaker 2: generally agree with you in that you kind of have 464 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:03,199 Speaker 2: to have personality that meets that meets the personality of 465 00:28:03,240 --> 00:28:06,040 Speaker 2: the fans. It's like, one of the reasons his head 466 00:28:06,080 --> 00:28:09,840 Speaker 2: coach works in Philly is despite the fact he's kind 467 00:28:09,840 --> 00:28:12,600 Speaker 2: of bombastic, he says some wild things. He's making faces 468 00:28:12,800 --> 00:28:16,320 Speaker 2: like that that feeds Philadelphia. Right now, you have a 469 00:28:16,400 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 2: quarterback who's kind of too cool for school. Remember the 470 00:28:18,800 --> 00:28:22,320 Speaker 2: themo on. Jalen was not a bad guy, But Jalen's 471 00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:26,960 Speaker 2: about Jalen and about how Jalen presents himself, not about 472 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 2: one of just being one of the dudes, right, just 473 00:28:29,359 --> 00:28:30,879 Speaker 2: being one of the guys. It's kind of what you 474 00:28:30,920 --> 00:28:33,000 Speaker 2: have to be. So he does have a certain kind 475 00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 2: of regalness with how he carries himself. But a lot 476 00:28:36,320 --> 00:28:38,760 Speaker 2: of people think like that's Jalen about Jalen and not 477 00:28:38,840 --> 00:28:41,480 Speaker 2: Jalen being about us. I can't come. I don't know. 478 00:28:41,560 --> 00:28:43,360 Speaker 2: I don't work with them on a daily basis. And 479 00:28:43,400 --> 00:28:46,720 Speaker 2: I'm telling you that again, that's more dated analysis from 480 00:28:46,960 --> 00:28:48,840 Speaker 2: a couple of years ago when he was first coming 481 00:28:48,840 --> 00:28:51,920 Speaker 2: out and first in the league. But the last part 482 00:28:51,960 --> 00:28:53,440 Speaker 2: to it is, and here's where I'll agree with you 483 00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:56,480 Speaker 2: or I'll disagree with you and agree with you at 484 00:28:56,480 --> 00:29:00,280 Speaker 2: the same time. I agree that Philly needs something of 485 00:29:00,320 --> 00:29:03,920 Speaker 2: the Hey, I hear you, Philly Philadelphia fans, like we 486 00:29:03,960 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 2: won you Super Bowl. We've been to another one. We're 487 00:29:05,960 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 2: gonna fix it. We're gonna get it right right, instead 488 00:29:08,400 --> 00:29:10,760 Speaker 2: of the eh, not too high, not too low. I've 489 00:29:10,760 --> 00:29:13,640 Speaker 2: been through this before, will be fine, right, So I do. 490 00:29:13,920 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 2: But the part I disagree with you is you can't 491 00:29:16,960 --> 00:29:21,520 Speaker 2: when you're thirty years old, can't change who you are now. 492 00:29:21,760 --> 00:29:24,440 Speaker 2: That may, like you said, ultimately lead to his ouster 493 00:29:24,640 --> 00:29:27,920 Speaker 2: being expedited. But you can't make a guy who's not 494 00:29:28,000 --> 00:29:30,120 Speaker 2: a raw, raw guy a raw rack guy. And he 495 00:29:30,160 --> 00:29:34,920 Speaker 2: can't make a guy who's emotional unemotional, because then you're 496 00:29:35,000 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 2: not your truest self, you're not your best self. So 497 00:29:37,760 --> 00:29:40,680 Speaker 2: you're right, But I also think that asking Jalen hurts 498 00:29:40,680 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 2: to be something that he's not. I think that's a 499 00:29:45,760 --> 00:29:48,719 Speaker 2: that's a what is it? A faded company? Faded company fit? 500 00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:51,760 Speaker 2: A flaw? What else is it? What else annoying you? 501 00:29:52,560 --> 00:29:55,080 Speaker 4: So I'm going to go from somebody who who is 502 00:29:56,280 --> 00:30:01,360 Speaker 4: complicated to someone who isn't at all. Now, Newton, his 503 00:30:01,640 --> 00:30:07,959 Speaker 4: post playing career has been interesting, bordering on ridiculous. I 504 00:30:07,960 --> 00:30:10,720 Speaker 4: think the brand that he's that he's forming as a 505 00:30:10,760 --> 00:30:15,200 Speaker 4: podcaster analyst is clownish. I don't think the hat helps. 506 00:30:16,120 --> 00:30:18,640 Speaker 4: If I was a brand manager, I would say lose 507 00:30:18,720 --> 00:30:23,480 Speaker 4: the fucking hat and stop with like the clownish behavior, 508 00:30:23,560 --> 00:30:27,400 Speaker 4: because if you want us to take you seriously, then 509 00:30:28,120 --> 00:30:30,360 Speaker 4: then we don't know if you're being serious or not. 510 00:30:30,600 --> 00:30:32,320 Speaker 4: This is a great example. I know you're gonna love 511 00:30:32,360 --> 00:30:35,120 Speaker 4: this one, right. Philip Rivers comes out at forty four. 512 00:30:35,160 --> 00:30:37,280 Speaker 4: He signs with the Colts. Of course, Cam Newton's got 513 00:30:37,320 --> 00:30:39,800 Speaker 4: an opinion on this. Everyone knew that. Now I will 514 00:30:39,800 --> 00:30:42,360 Speaker 4: say this too. Whoever he pays to do the promos 515 00:30:42,360 --> 00:30:46,560 Speaker 4: for his podcast, he needs to fire. His promos are 516 00:30:46,640 --> 00:30:51,479 Speaker 4: almost as unintelligible as Cam Newton, so I had to 517 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,040 Speaker 4: do some editing. Bear with me, listener, This is the 518 00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,320 Speaker 4: gist of what Cam Newton. His big reaction to the 519 00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,960 Speaker 4: Philip Rivers signing this week. 520 00:31:00,880 --> 00:31:03,400 Speaker 8: Andy, if they call yeah yeah this, I was like 521 00:31:03,400 --> 00:31:05,200 Speaker 8: a slap in my face. All the things that you're 522 00:31:05,200 --> 00:31:07,280 Speaker 8: doing in media. Do you come off like you're available. 523 00:31:10,400 --> 00:31:12,240 Speaker 8: He's retired. You ain't even retired. 524 00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:15,640 Speaker 1: I did not and will not because of an opportunity 525 00:31:15,760 --> 00:31:18,400 Speaker 1: like that. Als always in a system. But still like, 526 00:31:18,520 --> 00:31:20,840 Speaker 1: I don't give a damn if he was in a family. 527 00:31:21,720 --> 00:31:23,800 Speaker 1: He's forty four years old. Bro. 528 00:31:25,080 --> 00:31:27,800 Speaker 2: The whole Cam Newton is to a standard that you're not. 529 00:31:27,800 --> 00:31:30,520 Speaker 1: Holding everybody else. But I know when it. 530 00:31:30,440 --> 00:31:33,040 Speaker 8: Comes with me the personality, Bro, Folks don't want to 531 00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:33,880 Speaker 8: should a situation. 532 00:31:34,000 --> 00:31:39,400 Speaker 2: They don't want to they don't want a circus. That's 533 00:31:39,400 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 2: that's after being edited. 534 00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:44,440 Speaker 4: After being edited, Yeah, I'll send you the actual promo. 535 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:45,040 Speaker 6: Oh. 536 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:47,840 Speaker 2: I actually like the actual promo to run back to back, 537 00:31:47,920 --> 00:31:50,320 Speaker 2: so then then then people can can feel it. But 538 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:56,000 Speaker 2: that's okay. I just he doesn't have any friends. That's 539 00:31:56,080 --> 00:31:58,440 Speaker 2: that's the problem with Cam Newton, because if he had 540 00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 2: a friend, he would go him. Is it about the 541 00:32:02,600 --> 00:32:06,080 Speaker 2: circus a little bit. Is it about the fact that 542 00:32:06,080 --> 00:32:08,320 Speaker 2: it's always about you a little bit? Do you know 543 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,240 Speaker 2: what it's really about? You can't throw a fucking football anymore. 544 00:32:13,920 --> 00:32:18,360 Speaker 2: You can't throw a fucking football anymore. Let me repeat, 545 00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:21,600 Speaker 2: you can't throw a fucking football anymore. You hurt your 546 00:32:21,600 --> 00:32:25,240 Speaker 2: shoulder in Carolina. You couldn't throw a football ever since 547 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:28,960 Speaker 2: you're throwing motion change. You couldn't throw a fucking football. 548 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:35,479 Speaker 2: That's really it. Yeah. Is he a huge personality? Yeah, 549 00:32:35,840 --> 00:32:40,719 Speaker 2: but he doesn't fucking get it. It has zero I 550 00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:42,840 Speaker 2: don't think it has anything to do because it doesn't 551 00:32:42,880 --> 00:32:44,800 Speaker 2: even get to that point. It's not like, well he 552 00:32:44,840 --> 00:32:48,160 Speaker 2: can because I'll give you the guy who had a 553 00:32:48,320 --> 00:32:57,000 Speaker 2: very very uh terse personality for some people, came back 554 00:32:57,120 --> 00:33:02,280 Speaker 2: late in his career and played a couple of years. 555 00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:05,400 Speaker 2: That was Jeff George. Now I will grant you he 556 00:33:05,440 --> 00:33:07,640 Speaker 2: only played till he was thirty four years old. But 557 00:33:07,720 --> 00:33:10,479 Speaker 2: Jeff George came back into the league after being out 558 00:33:10,520 --> 00:33:13,320 Speaker 2: of the league and did so. You're like, man, Jeff George, 559 00:33:13,320 --> 00:33:15,560 Speaker 2: remember you won eight games in Minnesota in nineteen nine nine. 560 00:33:15,640 --> 00:33:19,160 Speaker 2: People forget all that right. Then he played in Washington 561 00:33:19,280 --> 00:33:22,880 Speaker 2: with then Redskins for two separate years. And the only 562 00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:24,760 Speaker 2: reason Jeff George played is he can throw a fucking 563 00:33:24,800 --> 00:33:28,800 Speaker 2: football like you've never fucking seen before. That's all that 564 00:33:28,800 --> 00:33:30,800 Speaker 2: it's about. And yeah, he's in the system. He's a 565 00:33:30,840 --> 00:33:38,400 Speaker 2: fucking savant with the system, and he's what's available. So Cam, dude, 566 00:33:38,520 --> 00:33:40,960 Speaker 2: you have to know better than that. And I said 567 00:33:40,960 --> 00:33:46,360 Speaker 2: this before, and I mean it the easiest way for 568 00:33:46,480 --> 00:33:51,280 Speaker 2: you to know that Cam Newton has no friends, has 569 00:33:51,320 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 2: no supporters. In the NFL, he played for Ron Rivera 570 00:33:56,240 --> 00:33:57,480 Speaker 2: with the Carolina Panthers. 571 00:33:57,720 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 4: He was the. 572 00:33:58,320 --> 00:34:02,360 Speaker 2: MVP of the league with Ron Rivera and the Carolina Panthers. 573 00:34:02,760 --> 00:34:06,040 Speaker 2: Ron Rivera got fired by the Carolina Panthers. He went 574 00:34:06,080 --> 00:34:08,320 Speaker 2: to the Washington at the time, they were the football 575 00:34:08,320 --> 00:34:11,839 Speaker 2: team now than the Commanders. He was a coach there. 576 00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:15,320 Speaker 2: They brought in two quarterbacks. They brought in a veteran 577 00:34:15,400 --> 00:34:17,919 Speaker 2: quarterback and a younger quarterback. You know who they didn't 578 00:34:17,920 --> 00:34:22,239 Speaker 2: bring in. They didn't bring in Cam Newton. If the 579 00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 2: guy who you took his team to the Super Bowl 580 00:34:25,120 --> 00:34:29,440 Speaker 2: sees you on the street essentially for free, and you're 581 00:34:29,480 --> 00:34:32,799 Speaker 2: the former MVP you're playing for him, wouldn't you think 582 00:34:32,840 --> 00:34:36,839 Speaker 2: Shane Steichen was. Shane Steikeen was offensive coordinaated for half 583 00:34:36,920 --> 00:34:41,120 Speaker 2: the season with the LA Chargers, right. He was quarterback 584 00:34:41,120 --> 00:34:43,759 Speaker 2: coached before that, and when he had to find a 585 00:34:43,840 --> 00:34:45,920 Speaker 2: quarterback the guy he reached out he was like, fuck, 586 00:34:45,960 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 2: I gotta get Philip Rivers. That's the only guy who 587 00:34:47,520 --> 00:34:49,239 Speaker 2: knows my system that can do it. That's my guy 588 00:34:49,480 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 2: for I don't care if he's forty four, if he's 589 00:34:51,120 --> 00:34:53,600 Speaker 2: eighty four, fuck that. He knows more than anybody else. 590 00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:54,920 Speaker 2: I don't know if he can play, but if he 591 00:34:54,920 --> 00:34:57,080 Speaker 2: can throw football, we might have to throw him out there. 592 00:34:58,160 --> 00:35:00,080 Speaker 2: That's what you would think Ron Rivera would do. Do 593 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 2: you know what he didn't do. He never called Cam Newton. 594 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:05,800 Speaker 2: You know why, because Cam Newton's a pain in the ass. 595 00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,920 Speaker 2: He was never terribly accurate. There is a circus, but 596 00:35:09,960 --> 00:35:13,680 Speaker 2: more than anything, you can't throw a fucking football anymore. 597 00:35:16,600 --> 00:35:19,439 Speaker 2: I actually like the hat for podcasts because it gives 598 00:35:19,440 --> 00:35:21,840 Speaker 2: the podcasting world sort of a bad name, because it 599 00:35:21,840 --> 00:35:23,840 Speaker 2: feels like you have to have some sort of clownish 600 00:35:23,840 --> 00:35:27,600 Speaker 2: look in order to get established. But the other thing is, 601 00:35:27,680 --> 00:35:30,959 Speaker 2: I'm guessing Cam Newton because he basically he basically made 602 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,239 Speaker 2: ESPN into being racist for not having him on first take. 603 00:35:35,320 --> 00:35:37,919 Speaker 2: Now he's on first take, he'll probably use the same 604 00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:41,880 Speaker 2: card to get a look in the NFL, and maybe 605 00:35:41,880 --> 00:35:42,800 Speaker 2: that maybe that works. 606 00:35:42,880 --> 00:35:45,919 Speaker 4: I was just gonna say this promo. Maybe he says 607 00:35:45,920 --> 00:35:49,600 Speaker 4: it on the podcast. The promo comes just short of saying, 608 00:35:49,680 --> 00:35:51,600 Speaker 4: a forty four year old white guy got a job, 609 00:35:51,719 --> 00:35:52,319 Speaker 4: and sure, no. 610 00:35:52,320 --> 00:35:54,879 Speaker 2: Question, just short, no question. That's the next card. 611 00:35:55,239 --> 00:36:01,719 Speaker 4: So so this takes a little setup here the I 612 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:04,000 Speaker 4: guess the subject of my I are here. The annoying 613 00:36:04,040 --> 00:36:09,239 Speaker 4: part is Generation Alpha. Generation A was born in twenty ten, 614 00:36:09,800 --> 00:36:11,520 Speaker 4: so if you if you were born in two thousand. 615 00:36:11,840 --> 00:36:13,360 Speaker 2: I had no idea this, I had no idea. I 616 00:36:13,400 --> 00:36:15,319 Speaker 2: guess it's after gen Z. I got it. 617 00:36:15,440 --> 00:36:18,120 Speaker 4: Jen A is after gen Z got it. And this 618 00:36:18,200 --> 00:36:23,719 Speaker 4: includes Alpha and Z. In and Out has chosen to 619 00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:27,399 Speaker 4: remove sixty seven and seventy six or sixty seven as 620 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:31,560 Speaker 4: an order number because it has become a fucking circus 621 00:36:32,080 --> 00:36:35,360 Speaker 4: whenever six' seven is mentioned as in and out. Seven 622 00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:41,440 Speaker 4: so they put on TikTok And. Instagram all the kids do. 623 00:36:41,520 --> 00:36:44,400 Speaker 4: It and here's the problem for people that don't know, 624 00:36:44,480 --> 00:36:47,520 Speaker 4: business Especially Jen. ALPHA i don't even think you should know. 625 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:52,960 Speaker 4: Business in And out's only priority as a company is 626 00:36:53,000 --> 00:36:56,120 Speaker 4: to make as much money as possible in the hours 627 00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:58,799 Speaker 4: they are open every. Day that's the only thing they care. 628 00:36:58,840 --> 00:37:02,840 Speaker 4: About the certainly don't fucking care about your. Fun so 629 00:37:03,080 --> 00:37:06,799 Speaker 4: for the Generation alpha AND z that have complained that 630 00:37:06,840 --> 00:37:09,719 Speaker 4: in And out is no fun anymore and that they're 631 00:37:09,760 --> 00:37:12,279 Speaker 4: going to stop eating, hamburgers first of, all good luck 632 00:37:12,800 --> 00:37:15,200 Speaker 4: not eating some of the best hamburgers in the country. 633 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:19,320 Speaker 4: Ever and, secondly they don't owe you. Fun they. Don't 634 00:37:19,400 --> 00:37:22,799 Speaker 4: they don't. Want this is what the problem. Was they 635 00:37:22,840 --> 00:37:25,840 Speaker 4: would do this six seven and people would get their cameras, 636 00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,640 Speaker 4: out and, employees the person grilling the hamburgers and making 637 00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,920 Speaker 4: the fries and at the uh at the window would 638 00:37:32,920 --> 00:37:36,640 Speaker 4: all like be doing this fucking uh circus thing they 639 00:37:36,719 --> 00:37:41,200 Speaker 4: were their employees were being distracted and it looked. Unprofessional 640 00:37:41,719 --> 00:37:44,080 Speaker 4: And in And out doesn't care about your. Fun so 641 00:37:44,560 --> 00:37:47,160 Speaker 4: when you say in And out is no, fun you're 642 00:37:47,160 --> 00:37:49,960 Speaker 4: telling me you know nothing about, business and they don't 643 00:37:50,040 --> 00:37:53,960 Speaker 4: want a. DISTRACTION i just just a few weeks, AGO i, Said, 644 00:37:54,000 --> 00:37:59,360 Speaker 4: doug you are a parent of GEN. Z i am 645 00:37:59,400 --> 00:38:01,799 Speaker 4: somebody else was on the podcast that day that's a. 646 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:05,000 Speaker 4: PARENT i forget who it. Is but, ANYWAYS i asked 647 00:38:05,080 --> 00:38:07,920 Speaker 4: you to explain what gen z what six seven, means 648 00:38:08,040 --> 00:38:10,760 Speaker 4: and you. COULDN'T i can't explain. It most people. CAN'T 649 00:38:11,120 --> 00:38:13,640 Speaker 4: i don't even think that people in these ridiculous videos 650 00:38:13,680 --> 00:38:15,959 Speaker 4: could explain. It it's gonna be one of those things 651 00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,840 Speaker 4: in ten to twenty, years we're gonna look back and be, 652 00:38:17,880 --> 00:38:19,839 Speaker 4: LIKE i have no idea what that, was but it 653 00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:24,040 Speaker 4: was fucking. Stupid and so, anyways if you, are if 654 00:38:24,040 --> 00:38:25,840 Speaker 4: you are a part of the boycott on in and 655 00:38:25,880 --> 00:38:28,640 Speaker 4: out because they remove sixty seven as a as an order, 656 00:38:28,719 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 4: number you're a. 657 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:32,560 Speaker 2: Loser stop. It do they still have six? 658 00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:36,560 Speaker 4: Nine i'm guessing they still have six y. 659 00:38:36,600 --> 00:38:40,000 Speaker 2: Nine, yeah it's crazy that sixty seven is, gone but 660 00:38:40,120 --> 00:38:47,799 Speaker 2: sixty sixty? Nine, um, yeah it's pretty, annoying is that? 661 00:38:47,840 --> 00:38:50,560 Speaker 2: It do you have anything else that's? Knowing, no that's. 662 00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:53,160 Speaker 4: It Cam, Newton Jalen hurts And Jen. 663 00:38:53,280 --> 00:38:57,120 Speaker 2: Alpha as much As i'd love to stomp On Jen, 664 00:38:57,160 --> 00:38:59,759 Speaker 2: ALPHA i do believe in the. Children the children are 665 00:38:59,760 --> 00:39:02,239 Speaker 2: if you keep him young and let them lead the 666 00:39:02,239 --> 00:39:06,560 Speaker 2: way something like, That i'm gonna go With Cam newton all, 667 00:39:06,640 --> 00:39:11,040 Speaker 2: right Because Cam, newton not having any sense of, self 668 00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:16,080 Speaker 2: not understanding that it was a miracle they could win 669 00:39:16,160 --> 00:39:19,560 Speaker 2: games with him at quarterback With Bill belichick as head 670 00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:22,520 Speaker 2: coach Replacing Tom. BRADY i don't know what to do with, 671 00:39:22,600 --> 00:39:25,840 Speaker 2: Him Cam. Newton the fact that you didn't know that 672 00:39:25,960 --> 00:39:28,000 Speaker 2: it's over and why it's actually over as. 673 00:39:28,040 --> 00:39:35,640 Speaker 1: Annoy why are we doing? THIS i do. 674 00:39:38,320 --> 00:39:42,000 Speaker 2: Because we. Can what do you got from? 675 00:39:42,000 --> 00:39:45,439 Speaker 4: Me Jay. Stoop Travis kelcey tried to sum up why 676 00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:48,600 Speaker 4: he's struggling this year on his Podcasts into The. Heights 677 00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:52,080 Speaker 4: what is? It New, Heights New Heights, Podcast New, Heights Withering. 678 00:39:52,120 --> 00:39:53,200 Speaker 4: HEIGHTS i think It's Withering. 679 00:39:53,200 --> 00:39:57,200 Speaker 9: Heights, yeah it's it's been a tough fucking go around 680 00:39:57,480 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 9: the past two. 681 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,440 Speaker 2: Days, yeah it's just he put. 682 00:40:00,320 --> 00:40:02,760 Speaker 9: In all this fucking work and hopes that it pays, 683 00:40:02,760 --> 00:40:06,200 Speaker 9: off and right now it's just for whatever fucking. Reason, 684 00:40:06,280 --> 00:40:10,160 Speaker 9: man it's little. Things IT'S i don't, know. DISCIPLINE i 685 00:40:10,160 --> 00:40:12,880 Speaker 9: feel Like i've always had the answers in years, past 686 00:40:12,960 --> 00:40:15,000 Speaker 9: and this year it's JUST i just can't find. Them 687 00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,200 Speaker 9: AND i keep, thinking IF i show up to work 688 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:19,840 Speaker 9: AND i put in the work AND i fix the 689 00:40:19,920 --> 00:40:27,160 Speaker 9: issues through my, practice, habits and through through perfecting the 690 00:40:27,200 --> 00:40:29,960 Speaker 9: game plan and my fundamentals and What i'm being, taught 691 00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,760 Speaker 9: and go out there and try and play my ass 692 00:40:31,760 --> 00:40:34,320 Speaker 9: off for my guys next to. Me it's all gonna 693 00:40:34,400 --> 00:40:36,319 Speaker 9: come together like it has in years, past and this 694 00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:37,000 Speaker 9: year is just not. 695 00:40:37,200 --> 00:40:41,480 Speaker 2: Man, yeah that's called getting. Old that's what. Happens you, 696 00:40:41,520 --> 00:40:45,719 Speaker 2: do you get, Old and it really is amazing on 697 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,359 Speaker 2: how long most tight ends are able to play when 698 00:40:49,400 --> 00:40:52,880 Speaker 2: their speed. Goes but what happens, is you know his 699 00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:56,759 Speaker 2: timing is just a hair. Off you, know he's a 700 00:40:56,840 --> 00:40:59,840 Speaker 2: step slow And mahomes is looking for him to be 701 00:40:59,880 --> 00:41:03,160 Speaker 2: a step. Quicker that's a heart adjustment and you can 702 00:41:03,239 --> 00:41:05,680 Speaker 2: hide it if the talent around you is so good 703 00:41:05,719 --> 00:41:07,920 Speaker 2: that you can just find your. Niche but when you 704 00:41:08,000 --> 00:41:10,640 Speaker 2: have to be the guy week by week by, WEEK 705 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,440 Speaker 2: i JUST i think you're asking too. Much why can 706 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:15,680 Speaker 2: we play it for? You because we. Can that's it 707 00:41:15,719 --> 00:41:17,640 Speaker 2: for the end The Motus. Podcast check out the radio 708 00:41:17,680 --> 00:41:19,760 Speaker 2: show every day three to Five eastern talk To Pacific 709 00:41:19,840 --> 00:41:22,240 Speaker 2: Fox Sports, Radio iHeartRadio App i'm no godlig