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Speaker 1: and the Dallas Cowboys Football Club. Cowboys This he's Mick

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Speaker 1: Shot screaming live on Dallas Cowboys dot Com and the

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Speaker 1: official Dallas Cowboys at No. Here are Bill Jones, Everson Wolves,

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Speaker 1: and Nickie Spagnolan. And as usual here on Mixed Shots,

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Speaker 1: we keep you on your toes, changing things up now

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Speaker 1: and then and today you better be right. See you

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Speaker 1: gotta take my spot now, can you do that? No?

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Speaker 1: I cannot big shoes down that big shoes over the

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Speaker 1: other field too. So here we are. As you can tell,

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Speaker 1: Bill Jones is not with us. He's on assignment in

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Speaker 1: San Francisco with the Western Conference finals the MAVs and

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Speaker 1: Everson Walls is filling in for me, although in his

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Speaker 1: same seat, and we are glad to have Cowboys college

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Speaker 1: scouting coordinator Chris Hall to join us. Christopher started to

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Speaker 1: be here, fellas, I'm doing great hopefully. I know Chris

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Speaker 1: has done some of the other show podcasts, and for

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Speaker 1: those of you on Mixed Shots that you need to

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Speaker 1: understand that Chris is beginning to start his thirty third

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Speaker 1: it's in there. That's why I keep it so long.

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Speaker 1: He started at fifteen. What are you talking to? It

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Speaker 1: jumps out, So I just want to say this, don't

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Speaker 1: come on here like Patrick Beverley. Okay, we've been doing

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Speaker 1: just messing up everything. When it comes to the NBA puntings,

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Speaker 1: just reaking have it and getting revenge on anyone that

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Speaker 1: he played against. So he's ranting against Chris Paul. You

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Speaker 1: know I saw that. Yeah. Yeah, well it's he's just

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Speaker 1: like get back. You know, it's revenge on everyone. So Chris,

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Speaker 1: than we're not sure Chris has anybody to get in

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Speaker 1: revenge since he's spent half his more than half his

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Speaker 1: life here with the Cowboys. Definitely. So how did you

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Speaker 1: get started? Nineteen ninety? Yeah, so I was incredibly fortunate

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Speaker 1: understand Chris's job, I guess because I'm sure people that

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Speaker 1: they're not hurting your cap the first few years they're

429
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Speaker 1: in there. They're their bargains. Quite honestly, cowboy's free agency

430
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Speaker 1: has always been legendary and back in your days, it

431
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Speaker 1: wasn't about the cap. It was about Texas back pocket,

432
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Speaker 1: right and also the great thing back in the day,

433
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Speaker 1: I mean, how many guys did you go to training

434
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Speaker 1: camp with your first and how many days did you

435
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Speaker 1: go before the even showed up? Yeah, we had two

436
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Speaker 1: weeks again shape with By the time they got to

437
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Speaker 1: see us, we look totally different from when we left Dallas. Yes, crazy.

438
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Speaker 1: So anyway, Yeah, when I looked into after you told

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440
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441
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Speaker 1: was saying, Okay, they think he does have something. So

442
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Speaker 1: you got a guy to keep an eye on. But

443
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Speaker 1: when you see him, he passes the eyeball test. I'll

444
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Speaker 1: guarantee you was there anybody else that maybe stuck out

445
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Speaker 1: that you are okay to talk about? You know, we

446
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Speaker 1: feel like part of that thirty visit stuff is great

447
00:23:28,320 --> 00:23:29,919
Speaker 1: for us because a little bit of that is a

448
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Speaker 1: recruiting pitch when you get to that point if you

449
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Speaker 1: think a guy's going to be a late round pick

450
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Speaker 1: versus a free agent, if he's already here and has

451
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Speaker 1: some familiarity with your coaching staff and your coaches have

452
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Speaker 1: been able to get him in the room and talk

453
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Speaker 1: ball with him and give him a little football test

454
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Speaker 1: and see how he picks up this part of the

455
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Speaker 1: scheme that you're installing. Now, you know you got a

456
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Speaker 1: guy that you can teach and grow and learn and

457
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Speaker 1: work with. A couple of the running backs that we

458
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Speaker 1: brought in, Malik Davis. He was another kid we had

459
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Speaker 1: on our deal for a thirty visit and had a

460
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Speaker 1: good feel for him them and you know that position,

461
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Speaker 1: I don't know where we're going to be for a

462
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Speaker 1: year from now. You know, you got contract issues coming

463
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Speaker 1: up with Tony and Zeke both potentially Rico Dado, who

464
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Speaker 1: was our third last year's coming off a hip injury,

465
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Speaker 1: and you know that's a spot where a guy might

466
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Speaker 1: be able to make our team. And the more you

467
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Speaker 1: can do. The other big thing we always say is

468
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Speaker 1: the more you can do. What's the second thing a

469
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Speaker 1: guy can do? Is he a core special teams guy?

470
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Speaker 1: Does he return punts or kicks? Can he play a

471
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Speaker 1: second position? If you're a receiver and you can play

472
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Speaker 1: inside in outside, that's a huge value. We want guys

473
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Speaker 1: that can that can do both, so we can move

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Speaker 1: them around so they can play all three spots or no,

475
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Speaker 1: all three spots. I tell the kids all the time.

476
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Speaker 1: I coached some kids every once in a while these

477
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Speaker 1: uh private camps, and I tell them, the more you

478
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Speaker 1: can do, the more you can do. That's it. The

479
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Speaker 1: more you can do, the more you can do. You know.

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Speaker 1: Dan Quinn to kind of pick up with Chris said

481
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Speaker 1: earlier he was talking about when he looks at a guy,

482
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Speaker 1: you know, he looks at him not so much as

483
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Speaker 1: what he did in college, but what he would do

484
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Speaker 1: for me in my system like they were. I think

485
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Speaker 1: it came up about Tyler Smith. Yeah, and he was saying, well,

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Speaker 1: you kind of look at Okay, well, this is what

487
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Speaker 1: they asked him to do there. This might be what

488
00:25:16,560 --> 00:25:19,800
Speaker 1: we asked him to do here. Same thing with Sam Williams.

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Speaker 1: That's who he was talking. It's like, Okay, old miss

490
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Speaker 1: wanted him to do this, but when he comes here,

491
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Speaker 1: we're going to ask him to do that. And he

492
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Speaker 1: goes and that's why, and he just off the cuff said,

493
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Speaker 1: and that's why. When I saw Marquis, he said, huh,

494
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Speaker 1: maybe he can play linebacker for him, you know. And

495
00:25:38,119 --> 00:25:40,919
Speaker 1: so that's how they And then you go back and

496
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Speaker 1: you look at his history and he kind of did

497
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Speaker 1: and you know, he can be two hundred and thirty

498
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Speaker 1: pounds if that's the direction we want to go with him.

499
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:50,600
Speaker 1: So those things you factor into. And it's not just

500
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Speaker 1: the physical, it's the mentality that he has. I've been

501
00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:55,760
Speaker 1: there before. I know I know how to play. Okay,

502
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,880
Speaker 1: from high school, I was a safety with the Graham

503
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Speaker 1: and became a corner. But and all of a sudden,

504
00:26:00,600 --> 00:26:05,040
Speaker 1: I go go to the pros nineteen ninety, I'm playing safety.

505
00:26:05,320 --> 00:26:08,680
Speaker 1: You know, but it's it was always there from from

506
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Speaker 1: high school. Just as you know, the game looks different

507
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Speaker 1: from whatever position. So the difference between We argue about

508
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Speaker 1: this all the time. I can play right or left corner,

509
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Speaker 1: or right or left safety, offensive lineman, especially tackles. Okay,

510
00:26:24,320 --> 00:26:29,960
Speaker 1: right tackle, left tackle? Is it that uh detail that

511
00:26:30,119 --> 00:26:34,640
Speaker 1: is difficult to play one side versus the other? Why

512
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Speaker 1: can't a guy because you see cornerbacks do it all

513
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Speaker 1: the time. You go from the right side to the

514
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Speaker 1: left side, no big deal. You might feel more comfortable

515
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Speaker 1: one side the other, but this it's not gonna be

516
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Speaker 1: a deal breaker if I have to go play left corner.

517
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Speaker 1: But I'm a right corners bags and I talk about this.

518
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Speaker 1: He thinks that the nuances between the right tackle and

519
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:57,360
Speaker 1: left tackle it is huge and makes a huge difference

520
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Speaker 1: in how you gray the player and what you're gonna

521
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Speaker 1: put he's on the team. It's probably comes down to

522
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Speaker 1: who you're playing against you because normally the defensive end

523
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Speaker 1: on that side is the guy that's the guy most

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Speaker 1: you know. It's funny, though, I'm not sure that's so

525
00:27:14,000 --> 00:27:17,439
Speaker 1: much the case anymore anymore, because even we've done a

526
00:27:17,440 --> 00:27:20,480
Speaker 1: little research on that go look and see where Miles

527
00:27:20,560 --> 00:27:23,600
Speaker 1: Garrett lines up. Most of the time he's going against

528
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Speaker 1: the right tackle. And you know, the whole blindside thing

529
00:27:27,720 --> 00:27:31,040
Speaker 1: came in because that's you know, most quarterbacks are right handed.

530
00:27:31,080 --> 00:27:34,320
Speaker 1: You want to protect the backside of him right And yeah,

531
00:27:34,320 --> 00:27:40,119
Speaker 1: well that's no question. And you know, to answer your

532
00:27:40,160 --> 00:27:42,480
Speaker 1: original question, I think the biggest thing for the lineman

533
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:47,480
Speaker 1: is the footwork and the hand placement. It's all opposite. Yeah,

534
00:27:47,640 --> 00:27:50,240
Speaker 1: out at corner, you're flipping your hips right and if

535
00:27:50,280 --> 00:27:52,920
Speaker 1: you if you're a slinky athlete out there, you can

536
00:27:52,960 --> 00:27:55,560
Speaker 1: probably flip open one way or the other. Now, if

537
00:27:55,600 --> 00:27:57,840
Speaker 1: you've always been a right tackle your whole life, and

538
00:27:57,880 --> 00:27:59,800
Speaker 1: your your feet are moving the same way and you're

539
00:28:00,040 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: hunching more with one hand, it makes a huge difference

540
00:28:03,080 --> 00:28:04,760
Speaker 1: to all a sudden flip over to the other side

541
00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,879
Speaker 1: and now it's backwards and you kind of gotta work

542
00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:11,280
Speaker 1: into feeling that a little bit now. Really good guys

543
00:28:11,320 --> 00:28:15,359
Speaker 1: can do that. Yeah. Um, you saw Terrence Steel flip

544
00:28:15,560 --> 00:28:18,480
Speaker 1: back and forth for us last year out of necessity

545
00:28:18,600 --> 00:28:21,280
Speaker 1: until we kind of do it to do it. No,

546
00:28:21,920 --> 00:28:24,080
Speaker 1: you want to stay comfortable, you know, you want to

547
00:28:24,160 --> 00:28:26,520
Speaker 1: keep your five together as much as you can, because

548
00:28:26,720 --> 00:28:29,200
Speaker 1: it's the buddy system too. I know what what Zach's

549
00:28:29,200 --> 00:28:31,760
Speaker 1: gonna do playing here on my left, and I know

550
00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,360
Speaker 1: what Tyler's going to go here, and you know all

551
00:28:34,359 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: that kind of stuff. The more familiarity, the more of

552
00:28:37,119 --> 00:28:40,920
Speaker 1: those five guys can play together, generally, it's a better field.

553
00:28:41,000 --> 00:28:43,920
Speaker 1: They're they're on the same page. And are you looking

554
00:28:43,960 --> 00:28:49,080
Speaker 1: at tackles that can swing? Do you look at you

555
00:28:49,280 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 1: love to find the swing tackle. What you feel about it,

556
00:28:53,320 --> 00:28:56,920
Speaker 1: you know, and one that could play garden? Sure of

557
00:28:56,960 --> 00:29:00,800
Speaker 1: course come from guard then go swing tackle. And here's

558
00:29:01,280 --> 00:29:04,600
Speaker 1: here's here's a great point on that. You know, I think,

559
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Speaker 1: you know, media wise, maybe we took a little heat

560
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Speaker 1: because you know we might have you know, showed our

561
00:29:09,280 --> 00:29:12,000
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562
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:14,920
Speaker 1: we took was higher than, you know, than Kenyan Green

563
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Speaker 1: and m and Zion from BC. Now, neither one of

564
00:29:17,920 --> 00:29:23,000
Speaker 1: those guys were available for us. But you know, between Zion,

565
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Speaker 1: you know, being a guard center and Tyler being a

566
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Speaker 1: guard tackle, if you think a guy can be your

567
00:29:31,120 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 1: left tackle for the future, you're taking him a hundred

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Speaker 1: tackle position, the pass rusher, the shutdown corner, the quarterback.

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Speaker 1: if you can get a guy at that spot that

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641
00:34:22,320 --> 00:34:24,160
Speaker 1: know what two alpha males is? That what it is.

642
00:34:24,480 --> 00:34:27,719
Speaker 1: I think Bill probably thought I'll answer to this. He

643
00:34:27,880 --> 00:34:31,480
Speaker 1: may know, but he probably thought that Lace had a

644
00:34:31,560 --> 00:34:37,080
Speaker 1: pipeline straight to Jerry didn't have to. But anyway, uh,

645
00:34:37,480 --> 00:34:42,320
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety two to two thousand and four, and uh gosh,

646
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,040
Speaker 1: Chris worked with them almost every one of those years. Yeah,

647
00:34:46,160 --> 00:34:48,840
Speaker 1: I sure did. And Larry was you know, became like

648
00:34:48,960 --> 00:34:52,480
Speaker 1: a second father to me and really mentored me along

649
00:34:52,560 --> 00:34:55,360
Speaker 1: and learning the game of football. And developing everything that

650
00:34:55,600 --> 00:34:58,160
Speaker 1: that I did, and not just Larry, all those guys

651
00:34:58,200 --> 00:35:01,080
Speaker 1: that I worked with when I first came in. Sadly,

652
00:35:01,160 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: there's only two of them left at this point, Ron

653
00:35:03,680 --> 00:35:07,040
Speaker 1: marsh Sack and walt Yworski and Jim Garrett. You know,

654
00:35:07,320 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: I was so fortunate to be around guys that had

655
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:15,240
Speaker 1: just unbelievable experience in the game on so many different levels.

656
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:18,959
Speaker 1: But Larry was great. I I you know, I worked

657
00:35:19,000 --> 00:35:22,160
Speaker 1: two years with Dick Mansburger and Bob Eackles and those guys,

658
00:35:22,280 --> 00:35:25,760
Speaker 1: and and Dick was Dick was a hard charging twenty

659
00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:30,680
Speaker 1: four to seven, probably thirty seven, and you know, I

660
00:35:30,840 --> 00:35:32,880
Speaker 1: was a twenty three, twenty four year old kid right

661
00:35:32,920 --> 00:35:34,520
Speaker 1: out of college, and you know, there were a few

662
00:35:34,600 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: other things on my interest played at the time, and

663
00:35:38,360 --> 00:35:40,719
Speaker 1: you know, I was I was actually gonna leave and

664
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:45,040
Speaker 1: go to grad school at University of Colorado. And Dick

665
00:35:45,120 --> 00:35:47,719
Speaker 1: came in the day after the draft my second year here,

666
00:35:47,760 --> 00:35:50,560
Speaker 1: and he quit, you know, he just he didn't like

667
00:35:50,680 --> 00:35:53,040
Speaker 1: Jimmy moving the magnets around on the board, you know.

668
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:56,520
Speaker 1: So Dick checked out, and I decided, well, I'll wait

669
00:35:56,560 --> 00:35:59,520
Speaker 1: and see who comes in, and they hired Larry, and

670
00:35:59,800 --> 00:36:02,040
Speaker 1: like I said, Larry became my second dad. And his

671
00:36:02,160 --> 00:36:05,680
Speaker 1: relationship at the time with with with Jerry and with

672
00:36:05,840 --> 00:36:07,840
Speaker 1: Jimmy and then of course with Barry. I mean, they

673
00:36:07,920 --> 00:36:11,160
Speaker 1: all had this Arkansas connection and they were all, you know,

674
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:13,920
Speaker 1: truly had a love for each other at various different times,

675
00:36:14,160 --> 00:36:17,920
Speaker 1: you know, growing up, and they intertwined and intermingled over

676
00:36:18,000 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: the years from the sixties and seventies to the eighties,

677
00:36:20,480 --> 00:36:23,160
Speaker 1: and they had this great history amongst all of them,

678
00:36:23,920 --> 00:36:27,759
Speaker 1: and then they all end up here. Yeah, and just

679
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:32,040
Speaker 1: unbelievable great football minds. And uh, you know, as you

680
00:36:32,160 --> 00:36:35,360
Speaker 1: mentioned Larry got he could tell a story that you know,

681
00:36:35,800 --> 00:36:39,520
Speaker 1: it was he loved. He loved interjecting himself into it.

682
00:36:39,600 --> 00:36:41,440
Speaker 1: But he was first wanted to step on his own

683
00:36:41,480 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 1: toes and they would love it too, you know. And

684
00:36:44,920 --> 00:36:46,960
Speaker 1: you know, he just brought so much to the table

685
00:36:47,080 --> 00:36:50,040
Speaker 1: with everything. And I think he helped so many of

686
00:36:50,080 --> 00:36:53,520
Speaker 1: those defensive coaches in particular and grow up into you know,

687
00:36:53,719 --> 00:36:56,640
Speaker 1: Campo and Zimmer and those guys just learn about the

688
00:36:56,719 --> 00:37:00,080
Speaker 1: game and help them along the way with everything that

689
00:37:00,200 --> 00:37:03,240
Speaker 1: they were doing too. On top of learning the scouting

690
00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:06,120
Speaker 1: game and how that all worked and everything. And I

691
00:37:06,280 --> 00:37:09,080
Speaker 1: think my funniest one of the funniest stories I could

692
00:37:09,120 --> 00:37:11,239
Speaker 1: tell about Larry was he'd been here a year or

693
00:37:11,280 --> 00:37:13,640
Speaker 1: two and Jimmy was still here at the time, and

694
00:37:13,960 --> 00:37:17,560
Speaker 1: we belonged to a pro scouting service called Getting Scouting,

695
00:37:17,840 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 1: and Gettings would grade all the NFL players. It was

696
00:37:20,560 --> 00:37:23,120
Speaker 1: kind of a supplement to your pro department. But they

697
00:37:23,200 --> 00:37:25,439
Speaker 1: had a book and a number. You'd get this book

698
00:37:25,440 --> 00:37:30,440
Speaker 1: all the time. Well, well Larry didn't his first year.

699
00:37:30,719 --> 00:37:33,200
Speaker 1: He didn't really have any idea that that was even there.

700
00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:35,680
Speaker 1: And Jimmy would come into Larry's office every now and

701
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 1: then and say, hey, what about this guy Lasion, need

702
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,160
Speaker 1: you look at him? You know, he'd give him a

703
00:37:39,160 --> 00:37:42,239
Speaker 1: little description of him, and you know, Larry'd go, look

704
00:37:42,239 --> 00:37:45,359
Speaker 1: at him. Go damn, Jimmy, he's got that guy right. Well,

705
00:37:45,960 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: for longest time, Larry had no idea that Jimmy had

706
00:37:49,640 --> 00:37:52,160
Speaker 1: these Getting Scouting grades. And he would come in if

707
00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 1: there's a trade coming around, and he'd be like, how

708
00:37:54,560 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: does that say? It's no all these guys like that,

709
00:37:56,880 --> 00:37:58,640
Speaker 1: How does he have time to watch him? And scut

710
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 1: here was in the Gettings and it was just you know,

711
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,480
Speaker 1: I was like, okay, I got it. So that was

712
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,560
Speaker 1: kind of a funny learning lesson along the way. But man,

713
00:38:09,640 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 1: there are just so many great you know, being a

714
00:38:11,640 --> 00:38:14,280
Speaker 1: part of three Super Bowls and their Lindies and everything,

715
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,160
Speaker 1: and you know, getting all those draft picks we had

716
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:20,919
Speaker 1: back then and still taking advantage of building the team

717
00:38:21,000 --> 00:38:23,080
Speaker 1: through that and everything. And Larry was a huge part

718
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:25,640
Speaker 1: of that and learned along the way and was a

719
00:38:25,680 --> 00:38:30,200
Speaker 1: great confidante for Jerry and Jimmy too, and then of

720
00:38:30,320 --> 00:38:32,560
Speaker 1: course Barry when he was here with all that too.

721
00:38:32,680 --> 00:38:35,480
Speaker 1: I mean, he kind of was the piece in between

722
00:38:35,600 --> 00:38:38,279
Speaker 1: everything that kind of kept everybody in touch with what

723
00:38:38,480 --> 00:38:40,200
Speaker 1: was going on on the other side of the building

724
00:38:40,239 --> 00:38:42,560
Speaker 1: old Valley Ranch back there, which is a matter of fact,

725
00:38:42,840 --> 00:38:47,680
Speaker 1: Lace thought he had patched things up in ninety four

726
00:38:47,960 --> 00:38:53,839
Speaker 1: in that spring. I remember him telling me, he goes, yeah,

727
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,720
Speaker 1: he goes. You know, I calmed Jimmy down. I calmed

728
00:38:58,000 --> 00:39:00,919
Speaker 1: Jerry down. He goes, I think we got one more

729
00:39:01,120 --> 00:39:06,080
Speaker 1: year left, and he didn't have. But he was he

730
00:39:06,280 --> 00:39:09,920
Speaker 1: was always the guy in between and uh gosh, I

731
00:39:09,960 --> 00:39:12,320
Speaker 1: could you know, he taught me a lot of football

732
00:39:12,440 --> 00:39:16,160
Speaker 1: just listening to him, right, That was one of Larry's gifts.

733
00:39:16,239 --> 00:39:19,120
Speaker 1: It didn't matter who you were. He would talk football

734
00:39:19,160 --> 00:39:21,920
Speaker 1: to a chipmunk. I mean it was if you were

735
00:39:21,960 --> 00:39:25,320
Speaker 1: willing to listen, he was gonna give you his knowledge

736
00:39:25,360 --> 00:39:28,320
Speaker 1: of the game and it was it was vast and

737
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:32,640
Speaker 1: the experience that he had, you know, from from being

738
00:39:33,560 --> 00:39:36,920
Speaker 1: the left guard coach on the JV team for Bear

739
00:39:37,040 --> 00:39:39,880
Speaker 1: Bryant in nineteen sixty when he first started at our

740
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:44,399
Speaker 1: first job coaching Bear Bryant. Bear and his dad grew

741
00:39:44,480 --> 00:39:48,040
Speaker 1: up together in Four Dice, Arkansas, and Bear always took

742
00:39:48,200 --> 00:39:50,120
Speaker 1: took good care. And that was another great story too.

743
00:39:50,160 --> 00:39:52,360
Speaker 1: I remember Larry Tall, he was the head coached Arkansas

744
00:39:52,440 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 1: State at the time, and they played Alabama, you know,

745
00:39:55,400 --> 00:39:58,200
Speaker 1: one of those money games, and Larry was all pissed

746
00:39:58,200 --> 00:39:59,960
Speaker 1: off and he was talking to Bear before the game,

747
00:40:00,000 --> 00:40:03,320
Speaker 1: am saying, my damn offensive coordinator wants to do this

748
00:40:03,480 --> 00:40:06,400
Speaker 1: and that. And Larry would always do voices too, and

749
00:40:06,480 --> 00:40:08,680
Speaker 1: he said, you know, Bear said to him, well, Larry,

750
00:40:08,840 --> 00:40:11,960
Speaker 1: let me ask you the question. He said, are you

751
00:40:12,120 --> 00:40:14,960
Speaker 1: the head coach? He said, well, yeah, of course I'm

752
00:40:15,000 --> 00:40:18,680
Speaker 1: the head coach. Well then it stops with you. And

753
00:40:18,800 --> 00:40:20,680
Speaker 1: it was a great lesson that you know, if you

754
00:40:20,800 --> 00:40:23,360
Speaker 1: are the head coach, you dictate what what goes on.

755
00:40:23,560 --> 00:40:26,719
Speaker 1: I think it's a great lesson and reminder to everybody

756
00:40:26,800 --> 00:40:29,439
Speaker 1: that you know, that's where it comes down to the perspective. Yeah,

757
00:40:29,760 --> 00:40:31,960
Speaker 1: there was another story came out of that game too,

758
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:35,440
Speaker 1: because they basically played the game to make money, right,

759
00:40:35,520 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 1: they got paid to Anyway, There's a story I read

760
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:47,400
Speaker 1: about it said that Larry was underneath the goal post

761
00:40:47,480 --> 00:40:49,520
Speaker 1: before the game and it was warm ups and Bear

762
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:52,840
Speaker 1: comes up to him and goes, well, Larry, you're scared.

763
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:55,440
Speaker 1: And he looked at him. He goes, Coach, I'm scared

764
00:40:55,480 --> 00:40:59,480
Speaker 1: to death. And they only got beat like thirty eight

765
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:02,719
Speaker 1: to seven, and anything Barrett probably pulled off, you know,

766
00:41:02,840 --> 00:41:05,759
Speaker 1: the troops and uh, but yeah, I just think it's

767
00:41:05,800 --> 00:41:08,719
Speaker 1: great you have. All the great stories are not just

768
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:12,080
Speaker 1: on the field. Right when you start talking about the legacy.

769
00:41:12,120 --> 00:41:14,520
Speaker 1: I always were always talking about the legacy. How the

770
00:41:14,719 --> 00:41:19,400
Speaker 1: draft and uh with with Fredericks and those guys, just

771
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:23,120
Speaker 1: how we created that that offensive line. How that's why

772
00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:25,160
Speaker 1: Zeke got to be a contract that you just talked

773
00:41:25,160 --> 00:41:29,799
Speaker 1: about because of that draft and so, uh, you guys

774
00:41:29,840 --> 00:41:31,719
Speaker 1: are the reason for that, right, I mean you're trying

775
00:41:31,760 --> 00:41:35,399
Speaker 1: to create that uh from year to year. Right, Yeah,

776
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:39,799
Speaker 1: either you keep either you keep this particular culture going

777
00:41:40,040 --> 00:41:42,879
Speaker 1: the running game in this particular case. Now you trying

778
00:41:43,000 --> 00:41:45,520
Speaker 1: when do you start switching over to defense or kind

779
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:48,640
Speaker 1: of we're gonna have We're gonna be, uh like a

780
00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:53,000
Speaker 1: Ravens guys defense or are we gonna be a finesse defense.

781
00:41:53,080 --> 00:41:54,480
Speaker 1: So these are the kind of things that you guys

782
00:41:54,520 --> 00:41:56,520
Speaker 1: have to figure out when you draft these guys. Those

783
00:41:56,520 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: are those are some of the hardest things for us

784
00:41:58,719 --> 00:42:02,960
Speaker 1: to do. And I can't give Will McClay enough credit

785
00:42:03,120 --> 00:42:05,839
Speaker 1: for what he's been able to do, you know, since

786
00:42:05,880 --> 00:42:09,480
Speaker 1: he's taken over in terms of bringing our coaching staff

787
00:42:09,480 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 1: and our scouting staff together through different coaches and everything.

788
00:42:13,080 --> 00:42:17,120
Speaker 1: But there's some places where coaching and scouting is its

789
00:42:17,200 --> 00:42:20,239
Speaker 1: separation of church and state. They don't communicate, they don't

790
00:42:20,480 --> 00:42:24,360
Speaker 1: We have such an amazing relationship from personnel to coaching,

791
00:42:25,320 --> 00:42:26,960
Speaker 1: you know, they allow us to be a part of

792
00:42:27,040 --> 00:42:30,400
Speaker 1: things and sitting meetings and understand terminology and we know

793
00:42:30,760 --> 00:42:34,640
Speaker 1: what what DQ's looking for on defense, and what Kellen's

794
00:42:34,680 --> 00:42:37,120
Speaker 1: looking for on offense, and overall what Mike wants to

795
00:42:37,200 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: build a football team with and what they look like.

796
00:42:40,000 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: And you know, sometimes that takes good football players out

797
00:42:44,280 --> 00:42:47,320
Speaker 1: of out of our range, you know, because you know,

798
00:42:47,480 --> 00:42:51,800
Speaker 1: maybe we want we want big receivers, so small guys,

799
00:42:51,960 --> 00:42:54,160
Speaker 1: or you've got to have speed, or you have to

800
00:42:54,200 --> 00:42:57,560
Speaker 1: have athleticism to play in everywhere, but it's more important

801
00:42:57,560 --> 00:43:00,799
Speaker 1: at certain spots. But us understanding and owing what our

802
00:43:00,880 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 1: coaching staff wants to play with, man, that's a huge

803
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 1: advantage for us knowing that when we see a guy,

804
00:43:06,360 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: he's a good player, but he really doesn't fit what

805
00:43:08,239 --> 00:43:11,840
Speaker 1: we're doing, so we don't devalue the guy, but we

806
00:43:12,000 --> 00:43:14,320
Speaker 1: know that. Look, I know that guy's gonna be a

807
00:43:14,400 --> 00:43:16,480
Speaker 1: good player, but I'm not going to die on the

808
00:43:16,600 --> 00:43:18,440
Speaker 1: hill of trying to make him a third rounder on

809
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:21,000
Speaker 1: a draft board because he's really not what we're looking

810
00:43:21,080 --> 00:43:25,040
Speaker 1: for in our offensive scheme, our defensive scheme, or whatever

811
00:43:25,160 --> 00:43:28,400
Speaker 1: specific position you're talking. I remember my last year's with

812
00:43:28,600 --> 00:43:34,160
Speaker 1: Cleveland clearly not just getting older, but slower. You could tell, hey,

813
00:43:34,200 --> 00:43:36,560
Speaker 1: we're going to with speed, and I was gone, And

814
00:43:36,760 --> 00:43:39,359
Speaker 1: that's the decisions that they have to make. I could

815
00:43:39,400 --> 00:43:42,920
Speaker 1: have I probably could have had an even better preseason

816
00:43:43,000 --> 00:43:45,360
Speaker 1: or whatever. I don't think it would have mattered because

817
00:43:45,520 --> 00:43:48,719
Speaker 1: this is where they're trying to go. And that's just it.

818
00:43:48,840 --> 00:43:51,000
Speaker 1: I don't care how many players are making they know

819
00:43:51,080 --> 00:43:55,000
Speaker 1: it's not gonna last forever, you know, And so that yeah, see, Led,

820
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:57,799
Speaker 1: thank you. It was great having you. And that's when

821
00:43:57,840 --> 00:44:01,279
Speaker 1: you talk about a change in the scope of the team,

822
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:03,719
Speaker 1: that's what's talk about. So one of the things that

823
00:44:04,239 --> 00:44:07,920
Speaker 1: I always remember Larry kind of teaching me just listening

824
00:44:08,040 --> 00:44:12,239
Speaker 1: to him, and would it be at times where I

825
00:44:12,320 --> 00:44:14,520
Speaker 1: don't know, one side of the ball the other wasn't

826
00:44:14,560 --> 00:44:17,279
Speaker 1: as good as it needed to be. And he would

827
00:44:17,320 --> 00:44:22,319
Speaker 1: always tell me, he said, now on defense, I can

828
00:44:22,600 --> 00:44:27,839
Speaker 1: scheme stuff up to maybe minimize my deficiencies and kind

829
00:44:27,880 --> 00:44:32,480
Speaker 1: of junk it up and we can probably survive. He goes.

830
00:44:32,719 --> 00:44:36,200
Speaker 1: On offense, you can't fake offense. No, he goes, you

831
00:44:36,280 --> 00:44:39,560
Speaker 1: either got it or you don't. And you definitely can't

832
00:44:39,640 --> 00:44:43,399
Speaker 1: fake the quarterback position. And he would just I would

833
00:44:43,480 --> 00:44:46,640
Speaker 1: hear that over and over and I just always remember

834
00:44:46,760 --> 00:44:49,600
Speaker 1: that about him. And I have to thank Chris because

835
00:44:49,640 --> 00:44:53,959
Speaker 1: I remember Larry the last time he came to hear

836
00:44:54,120 --> 00:44:58,200
Speaker 1: to the Star, and Chris reminded me he was twenty seventeen.

837
00:44:58,719 --> 00:45:02,000
Speaker 1: So twenty sixteen he had had a stroke and he

838
00:45:02,160 --> 00:45:04,279
Speaker 1: came here and they brought him out on the golf

839
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: cart and he still had not just a golf cart

840
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:12,440
Speaker 1: that helicopter brought him first. But he went out on

841
00:45:12,520 --> 00:45:15,920
Speaker 1: the field and I saw him and he hadn't regained

842
00:45:15,960 --> 00:45:19,239
Speaker 1: his speech yet from and I'm going, this has got

843
00:45:19,320 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: to be the saddest thing I've ever seen. I wrote

844
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 1: about it for Today on Dallas Cowboys dot Com that

845
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:29,360
Speaker 1: the guy that loved to talk couldn't talk, He couldn't

846
00:45:29,400 --> 00:45:32,320
Speaker 1: tell any more stories. And it was like, I was

847
00:45:32,400 --> 00:45:35,640
Speaker 1: so happy to see him, but it was so sad

848
00:45:35,840 --> 00:45:38,440
Speaker 1: that he was in that situation. But he battled on

849
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:44,080
Speaker 1: um and I think he had another stroke, yeah, he said,

850
00:45:44,120 --> 00:45:47,759
Speaker 1: you know he unfortunately that first one took away his

851
00:45:49,760 --> 00:45:53,120
Speaker 1: vast majority of his ability to communicate. He couldn't type,

852
00:45:53,160 --> 00:45:55,160
Speaker 1: he couldn't text, so you couldn't even get to him

853
00:45:55,200 --> 00:45:58,400
Speaker 1: with that. And Chris, his wife, God bless her, you know,

854
00:45:58,600 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: for which he did for him the last five years

855
00:46:00,640 --> 00:46:03,560
Speaker 1: or so. It was amazing. And it just, you know,

856
00:46:03,640 --> 00:46:05,839
Speaker 1: it hurts seeing Larry not be able to do I mean,

857
00:46:05,880 --> 00:46:08,280
Speaker 1: if you talk about somebody who was stuck in purgatory

858
00:46:08,360 --> 00:46:11,840
Speaker 1: for the last five years. And it's funny. I texted

859
00:46:11,920 --> 00:46:14,479
Speaker 1: with his son the other day and you know, after

860
00:46:15,200 --> 00:46:18,480
Speaker 1: he passed the other night, and uh, he said, you know,

861
00:46:19,719 --> 00:46:21,759
Speaker 1: I said, you know, Dad's up in heaven right now,

862
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,200
Speaker 1: you know, and he's holding court. And Lane, Lane said

863
00:46:25,239 --> 00:46:27,479
Speaker 1: to me, he goes, I thought the same thing. He said.

864
00:46:27,520 --> 00:46:29,479
Speaker 1: You know, some poor some bitch was in the middle

865
00:46:29,480 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 1: of telling this new guy showed up and he hadn't

866
00:46:32,480 --> 00:46:35,480
Speaker 1: been able to get a word. And I believe that. Hun,

867
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,879
Speaker 1: you know, so it's the floodgates are back open. Yeah,

868
00:46:40,080 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 1: you know, it was uh, yeah, it was. It was

869
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:45,279
Speaker 1: pretty much. I mean, how he's spent from ninety two

870
00:46:45,560 --> 00:46:49,120
Speaker 1: through you know, even after he left. Yeah, I would

871
00:46:49,200 --> 00:46:51,680
Speaker 1: check in with him about this guy or that guy

872
00:46:51,920 --> 00:46:54,000
Speaker 1: or why this didn't you know, and he was always

873
00:46:54,080 --> 00:46:55,800
Speaker 1: going to go on and on and on and on.

874
00:46:56,600 --> 00:46:59,480
Speaker 1: So when he was when they were leaving, I kind

875
00:46:59,480 --> 00:47:02,800
Speaker 1: of gave him hug because you know, I know he

876
00:47:02,880 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: could hear me, but it was just, uh it was

877
00:47:05,680 --> 00:47:09,320
Speaker 1: kind of emotional from yeah, and uh so God bless

878
00:47:09,400 --> 00:47:12,279
Speaker 1: him and fortunately I think, uh, you know, he was

879
00:47:12,360 --> 00:47:16,719
Speaker 1: in the state of Arkansas Sports Hall of Fame, Arkansas

880
00:47:16,880 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: State Hall of Fame. Uh, the Arkansas mana Cello, which

881
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:24,920
Speaker 1: was an m M the Hall of Fame. And then

882
00:47:25,000 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: in twenty twenty one, uh and four did you say,

883
00:47:29,920 --> 00:47:33,680
Speaker 1: twenty twenty No, no a M what what man Cello?

884
00:47:34,640 --> 00:47:39,640
Speaker 1: Warks Arkansas and m oh okay, but before I mean

885
00:47:39,760 --> 00:47:42,520
Speaker 1: it was and then it turned out into Monicello, Arkansas,

886
00:47:42,640 --> 00:47:46,960
Speaker 1: Monicello and uh and in twenty twenty one, So in

887
00:47:47,120 --> 00:47:50,480
Speaker 1: four dice they named the high school stadium after Bear Bryant.

888
00:47:50,560 --> 00:47:54,520
Speaker 1: Bear Bryant Stadium. Well, they named the street leading up

889
00:47:54,560 --> 00:47:59,520
Speaker 1: to the stadium Larry Lacewell. Oh it's pretty so kind

890
00:47:59,520 --> 00:48:04,240
Speaker 1: of kept together and uh yeah, we'll miss Larry Lacewell.

891
00:48:04,239 --> 00:48:06,680
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933
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934
00:50:55,800 --> 00:50:58,560
Speaker 1: left here on mix shots. And one of the things

935
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:01,200
Speaker 1: I was in Kitto, since we were talking about undrafted

936
00:51:01,400 --> 00:51:05,520
Speaker 1: free agents, the Cowboys brought in an undrafted free agent

937
00:51:05,880 --> 00:51:11,479
Speaker 1: kicker yep, Jonathan Garabay, And I wonder how a whole

938
00:51:11,560 --> 00:51:14,920
Speaker 1: new way of scouting rights And now I was going

939
00:51:14,960 --> 00:51:17,840
Speaker 1: to ask how difficult that is to figure out? Okay,

940
00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:21,640
Speaker 1: this college kicker, maybe that's a whole new basketball. Yeah,

941
00:51:21,719 --> 00:51:24,239
Speaker 1: you know, I mean we can all pretend like we

942
00:51:24,400 --> 00:51:28,040
Speaker 1: know kicking named Steve Hoffman your way back in the day.

943
00:51:31,000 --> 00:51:34,239
Speaker 1: My history with that was you know, Dan Bailey him

944
00:51:34,280 --> 00:51:36,759
Speaker 1: when he came out. And the only thing I say

945
00:51:36,800 --> 00:51:39,560
Speaker 1: about kickers, I couldn't tell you roll step, two step,

946
00:51:39,680 --> 00:51:41,960
Speaker 1: jab step all that stuff. I just I've never heard

947
00:51:42,000 --> 00:51:44,640
Speaker 1: that before. I just looked to see does the ball

948
00:51:44,719 --> 00:51:47,040
Speaker 1: go between the two yellow pipes and does it look

949
00:51:47,080 --> 00:51:50,280
Speaker 1: the same most of the time? Right? And you know, honestly,

950
00:51:50,360 --> 00:51:53,360
Speaker 1: that's what Jonathan did this year. Fifteen out of sixteen.

951
00:51:53,920 --> 00:51:56,880
Speaker 1: He's got a ginormous leg. He hit a sixty two

952
00:51:57,000 --> 00:52:00,120
Speaker 1: or sixty three yard winner. Uh this year, only just

953
00:52:00,280 --> 00:52:02,719
Speaker 1: one kick, and he's come out here. He's done a

954
00:52:02,800 --> 00:52:06,320
Speaker 1: great job, you know, And obviously we're the most attractive

955
00:52:06,360 --> 00:52:09,879
Speaker 1: place for an undrafted, you know, rookie free agent kicker

956
00:52:09,920 --> 00:52:12,680
Speaker 1: to look at. And uh, you know, I hope he

957
00:52:13,000 --> 00:52:15,839
Speaker 1: continues that track of nailing the ball like he has,

958
00:52:15,880 --> 00:52:17,600
Speaker 1: and if he does, he'll be the Cowboys kicker for

959
00:52:17,680 --> 00:52:19,560
Speaker 1: a few years. For showing up. Back in the day,

960
00:52:20,120 --> 00:52:23,000
Speaker 1: you know, many kickers didn't get injured. And now I

961
00:52:23,080 --> 00:52:25,200
Speaker 1: guess with the training and you know, doing more stuff,

962
00:52:25,400 --> 00:52:28,680
Speaker 1: you got kickers being injured. I mean, you can't. You know,

963
00:52:29,000 --> 00:52:31,360
Speaker 1: you look out for that. You know. One of the

964
00:52:31,480 --> 00:52:36,239
Speaker 1: things that Hoffman taught me about kickers is he said,

965
00:52:36,280 --> 00:52:39,359
Speaker 1: I want to see the ball go straight. I don't

966
00:52:39,360 --> 00:52:46,239
Speaker 1: want under the curved stuff golf right and he goes

967
00:52:46,280 --> 00:52:48,879
Speaker 1: and it was what Chris said, I want the kick

968
00:52:48,960 --> 00:52:51,719
Speaker 1: to look the same. I jokingly say that, but like

969
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 1: that's the simplest thing. If if if the ball looks

970
00:52:55,000 --> 00:52:57,319
Speaker 1: the same all the time and it and it gets

971
00:52:57,400 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 1: up in the air quick, whatever he's doing, I mean, oh,

972
00:53:01,160 --> 00:53:03,840
Speaker 1: we can fix this is plant foots a little. The

973
00:53:03,960 --> 00:53:06,000
Speaker 1: kicker knows what he's doing most of the time, and

974
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 1: if the ball looks the same, he's probably pretty good.

975
00:53:08,920 --> 00:53:11,440
Speaker 1: When I'd see somebody miss or it hit the upright

976
00:53:11,960 --> 00:53:14,400
Speaker 1: and and Hoffman would go, yeah, but you know what

977
00:53:14,520 --> 00:53:17,280
Speaker 1: he did. He kicked it straight. It just went straight,

978
00:53:17,400 --> 00:53:19,960
Speaker 1: and you know, maybe his aim was off, but the

979
00:53:20,040 --> 00:53:23,719
Speaker 1: ball didn't move like when Zurline had troubles last year,

980
00:53:23,840 --> 00:53:26,680
Speaker 1: the ball was moving. It seemed like he would hook it.

981
00:53:26,800 --> 00:53:30,399
Speaker 1: And it's like, God forbid, don't you know, don't put

982
00:53:30,480 --> 00:53:34,239
Speaker 1: him on the left half. So you guys signed h

983
00:53:35,680 --> 00:53:39,480
Speaker 1: Voss trying to think of the guy he was here

984
00:53:39,560 --> 00:53:45,319
Speaker 1: and then he just kicking his balls just stup going, man,

985
00:53:45,920 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 1: what I mean, how often does because he was a

986
00:53:49,200 --> 00:53:52,320
Speaker 1: good kicker. If I'm lost it overnight, yes, overnight it

987
00:53:52,400 --> 00:53:55,600
Speaker 1: seemed actually the playoff game, remember, you know, I just

988
00:53:55,840 --> 00:53:58,200
Speaker 1: I think so much of that is just your confidence too,

989
00:53:58,440 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 1: And it seems something went wrong though overnight. Like he's

990
00:54:02,160 --> 00:54:05,600
Speaker 1: saying that you're kicking the same way every time, saying motion.

991
00:54:05,800 --> 00:54:08,240
Speaker 1: You know what. Gary Gara Bay had a funny quote.

992
00:54:08,600 --> 00:54:11,360
Speaker 1: They asked him about, you know, kicking and everything, and

993
00:54:11,440 --> 00:54:14,600
Speaker 1: he goes, well, he goes, ninety nine percent of it

994
00:54:14,880 --> 00:54:17,520
Speaker 1: is mental and he goes, and you know what, the

995
00:54:17,600 --> 00:54:21,880
Speaker 1: other one percent is mental too. You know it's the

996
00:54:21,960 --> 00:54:24,279
Speaker 1: Steve Sacks. Yep, she can't throw it from second right.

997
00:54:24,320 --> 00:54:26,200
Speaker 1: It's all of a sudden, you right, your whole life

998
00:54:26,320 --> 00:54:30,520
Speaker 1: and about the same thing, or you all of a

999
00:54:30,520 --> 00:54:32,760
Speaker 1: sudden you can't make a three foot putt. That's crazy.

1000
00:54:32,800 --> 00:54:35,160
Speaker 1: It's like, you know, Jordan Speed felt with that a

1001
00:54:35,160 --> 00:54:36,959
Speaker 1: little bit. All of a sudden he's a great putter,

1002
00:54:37,000 --> 00:54:38,160
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden he can't make a

1003
00:54:38,200 --> 00:54:41,600
Speaker 1: four footer for some reason. It's it's it's in your head,

1004
00:54:41,640 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: I think. Now they brought in a surprise kicker too.

1005
00:54:44,080 --> 00:54:47,800
Speaker 1: By the way, free agent Simon Matheson, did you know

1006
00:54:48,000 --> 00:54:50,719
Speaker 1: much about him before he or I honestly no, not

1007
00:54:50,840 --> 00:54:53,280
Speaker 1: a whole lot. That's a little bit of the John Fossil,

1008
00:54:53,360 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: Henry Schroka wizardry and the kicking get this story, you know,

1009
00:54:57,800 --> 00:55:03,960
Speaker 1: Yeah he uh he he kicked at north West Missouri State, Yes,

1010
00:55:04,160 --> 00:55:08,359
Speaker 1: and he finished in twenty sixteen. And then he's uh

1011
00:55:09,680 --> 00:55:11,919
Speaker 1: uh he was born in New York, but he grew

1012
00:55:12,080 --> 00:55:15,239
Speaker 1: up in Sweden. Okay, And oh yeah, we talked about this,

1013
00:55:15,320 --> 00:55:19,040
Speaker 1: remember we talked about him. So he got a chance, yeah,

1014
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,880
Speaker 1: I E se right. Uh, he got a chance to

1015
00:55:23,000 --> 00:55:28,279
Speaker 1: kick on on Friday in Saturday. Uh. It was an

1016
00:55:28,320 --> 00:55:32,279
Speaker 1: interesting story how he uh he knew the owner of

1017
00:55:32,400 --> 00:55:35,839
Speaker 1: this company called track Man, and they were the ones

1018
00:55:35,880 --> 00:55:39,720
Speaker 1: that came up with the technology to track the different

1019
00:55:40,800 --> 00:55:43,520
Speaker 1: aspects of kicking and the flight of the ball that

1020
00:55:43,680 --> 00:55:46,040
Speaker 1: they used in the Super Bowl. So he would go

1021
00:55:46,480 --> 00:55:49,400
Speaker 1: and set up the system and then kick to make

1022
00:55:49,480 --> 00:55:52,120
Speaker 1: sure it was working right. And and he was kicking

1023
00:55:52,200 --> 00:55:54,480
Speaker 1: and kicking, and you know, I don't know how they

1024
00:55:54,800 --> 00:55:59,399
Speaker 1: found him, but he said he said, Henry, Henry knew

1025
00:55:59,440 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: about me, or something like, yeah, I think he was

1026
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:03,200
Speaker 1: at some of the kicking camps. There's a couple of

1027
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,360
Speaker 1: kicking camps that they do every year, and ones in Arizona,

1028
00:56:07,440 --> 00:56:10,560
Speaker 1: ones in California. Nobody, all the special teams coaches go

1029
00:56:10,640 --> 00:56:14,399
Speaker 1: to watch the guys kicking. It's guys from everywhere. They'll

1030
00:56:14,440 --> 00:56:17,040
Speaker 1: get soccer players and you know, guys that have been

1031
00:56:17,080 --> 00:56:19,800
Speaker 1: out for five six years and they're still trying to

1032
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:23,200
Speaker 1: find their way into it. And long snappers are there

1033
00:56:23,280 --> 00:56:26,520
Speaker 1: as well, so they'll get graded on, you know, whatever

1034
00:56:26,600 --> 00:56:28,319
Speaker 1: the scale is, and you can see a whole bunch

1035
00:56:28,320 --> 00:56:31,640
Speaker 1: of guys work. It's a giant tryout essentially, and there's

1036
00:56:31,640 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 1: always a random name or two that pop up out

1037
00:56:33,640 --> 00:56:36,680
Speaker 1: of it that looked like they can hit it. And again,

1038
00:56:37,000 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 1: if you're consistent and you can do it, you can

1039
00:56:39,400 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: find a job in the NFL. They asked McCarthy, what

1040
00:56:42,480 --> 00:56:48,480
Speaker 1: his philosophy was dealing with young kickers. And I don't

1041
00:56:48,480 --> 00:56:51,160
Speaker 1: know he I don't know if he tried leading into this,

1042
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: but the bottom line was he said patience. I would

1043
00:56:56,719 --> 00:57:01,680
Speaker 1: call the free all comers, he aids and tryouts. He

1044
00:57:01,880 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 1: was way before your time. Texas Stadium, Yeah, man, they

1045
00:57:04,840 --> 00:57:07,560
Speaker 1: would come out there, over a hundred people coming out

1046
00:57:07,600 --> 00:57:09,920
Speaker 1: there running for the days. And it was more than that.

1047
00:57:10,080 --> 00:57:12,600
Speaker 1: It was more than that. You know, that was good

1048
00:57:12,640 --> 00:57:15,840
Speaker 1: pr for the cowboy pr but that was the culture

1049
00:57:15,880 --> 00:57:19,160
Speaker 1: that they had created. Free agents come here and they

1050
00:57:19,200 --> 00:57:21,640
Speaker 1: can make it. You know, it's like like an immigrant

1051
00:57:21,680 --> 00:57:23,840
Speaker 1: coming to America. You know what I mean, your opportunity,

1052
00:57:23,880 --> 00:57:25,480
Speaker 1: you give me hiss an opportunity. That's what they used

1053
00:57:25,480 --> 00:57:27,520
Speaker 1: to look at. Twenty five dollars you got to try

1054
00:57:27,560 --> 00:57:32,000
Speaker 1: out and a T shirt certificate. Well, you know what.

1055
00:57:32,240 --> 00:57:34,800
Speaker 1: They did it for a couple of years, maybe after

1056
00:57:34,960 --> 00:57:38,440
Speaker 1: Jimmy got he I was one year or two, maybe

1057
00:57:38,600 --> 00:57:41,640
Speaker 1: three at the most was in there. And like Will's

1058
00:57:41,680 --> 00:57:43,720
Speaker 1: got some great stories from that too, from when he

1059
00:57:43,880 --> 00:57:47,240
Speaker 1: was the Desperadoes coach. They kind of revitalized that a

1060
00:57:47,280 --> 00:57:50,240
Speaker 1: little bit, right, And the funniest story he tells out

1061
00:57:50,280 --> 00:57:51,960
Speaker 1: of that is you know, you run the forty R

1062
00:57:52,080 --> 00:57:54,280
Speaker 1: dash and he literally, a big old dude runs the

1063
00:57:54,360 --> 00:57:57,240
Speaker 1: forty and literally hits the brakes stops. He says, well,

1064
00:57:57,320 --> 00:58:01,960
Speaker 1: my time, coach, like no follow through or anything, and

1065
00:58:02,120 --> 00:58:06,080
Speaker 1: it's just like, you can't make that up. He didn't

1066
00:58:06,080 --> 00:58:14,120
Speaker 1: make it. Yeah, Jimmy finally decided Yeah. Uh. And there's

1067
00:58:14,160 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: one more guy I wanted to talk about, and I

1068
00:58:16,720 --> 00:58:20,120
Speaker 1: know we're getting post to finishing. Uh, the third pick

1069
00:58:20,200 --> 00:58:23,720
Speaker 1: in the fifth round. Another guy like I told you

1070
00:58:23,920 --> 00:58:30,040
Speaker 1: about Marquise Looks the party Demon Clark, the linebacker from LSU. Uh.

1071
00:58:30,440 --> 00:58:33,920
Speaker 1: Interesting story because he had surgery that they found out

1072
00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,800
Speaker 1: he had a herniated disc in his neck at the combine.

1073
00:58:37,560 --> 00:58:40,760
Speaker 1: Uh and you know, probably not going to play this year.

1074
00:58:40,800 --> 00:58:44,600
Speaker 1: If he does, maybe the final month. And they drafted

1075
00:58:44,680 --> 00:58:49,640
Speaker 1: him and that's got to be a tough call. But

1076
00:58:50,200 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 1: my thought is this is a second or third round

1077
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,120
Speaker 1: guy you got in the fifth. Yeah. And Demon's story

1078
00:58:56,240 --> 00:58:58,520
Speaker 1: is a great one too, And a little bit of

1079
00:58:58,560 --> 00:59:02,720
Speaker 1: it comes from quote unquote inside information if you will. Um.

1080
00:59:03,440 --> 00:59:06,480
Speaker 1: You know, our doctors were the ones that found his

1081
00:59:06,640 --> 00:59:09,560
Speaker 1: situations what he said combine, and you know our training

1082
00:59:09,640 --> 00:59:12,200
Speaker 1: staff were the ones that told him about it and

1083
00:59:12,440 --> 00:59:15,600
Speaker 1: how he acted and reacted to it was just like,

1084
00:59:16,960 --> 00:59:19,400
Speaker 1: I mean, he you know this, this could end your career,

1085
00:59:19,520 --> 00:59:22,600
Speaker 1: end of your dreams, right potentially, and he said, Okay,

1086
00:59:22,640 --> 00:59:24,720
Speaker 1: what do I got to do. Let's do it. And

1087
00:59:24,960 --> 00:59:26,720
Speaker 1: you know, he was having surgery within a couple of

1088
00:59:26,760 --> 00:59:29,520
Speaker 1: weeks to get it done. And you talk about a

1089
00:59:29,560 --> 00:59:33,280
Speaker 1: guy with the right mentality. We've got a little history

1090
00:59:34,160 --> 00:59:37,640
Speaker 1: with obviously taking injured players or guys that have issues

1091
00:59:37,680 --> 00:59:40,360
Speaker 1: that you know are going to pop up. I mean, uh,

1092
00:59:40,640 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 1: you know, we took a guy from Notre Dame a

1093
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:44,320
Speaker 1: couple of years ago who turned out pretty good for

1094
00:59:44,400 --> 00:59:47,000
Speaker 1: a while for us, and you with Jalen you know,

1095
00:59:47,200 --> 00:59:49,919
Speaker 1: but but doctor Cooper did his knee surgery, right, yeah,

1096
00:59:50,120 --> 00:59:52,800
Speaker 1: so again we had inside information. Uh you know, we

1097
00:59:52,920 --> 00:59:54,960
Speaker 1: took Sean Lee in the second round knowing that his

1098
00:59:55,040 --> 00:59:57,320
Speaker 1: ACL was probably going to go at some point in time.

1099
00:59:58,840 --> 01:00:02,200
Speaker 1: It did, it did. But like Demon's situation is really

1100
01:00:02,280 --> 01:00:05,720
Speaker 1: interesting because you talk about a guy that was locked

1101
01:00:05,760 --> 01:00:08,440
Speaker 1: in out here at rookie minicamp. He's got the script

1102
01:00:08,480 --> 01:00:10,800
Speaker 1: in his hand, he's going through the motions, he's doing

1103
01:00:10,880 --> 01:00:13,640
Speaker 1: the footwork, he's using his hand placement and you know,

1104
01:00:13,760 --> 01:00:17,120
Speaker 1: here's a guy who's what two months off serious neck surgery,

1105
01:00:17,880 --> 01:00:20,320
Speaker 1: but he's ready to go. And if there's a guy

1106
01:00:20,400 --> 01:00:22,480
Speaker 1: I'm going to bet on to come back. Now, the

1107
01:00:22,560 --> 01:00:24,280
Speaker 1: real test will be when you got to put your

1108
01:00:24,320 --> 01:00:27,000
Speaker 1: face on it and get hit. And as a linebacker,

1109
01:00:27,160 --> 01:00:28,880
Speaker 1: you know, you're putting your face in it and you

1110
01:00:29,000 --> 01:00:31,640
Speaker 1: got to do that. And if we see that he

1111
01:00:31,760 --> 01:00:33,880
Speaker 1: does that, you know what, he might be a great

1112
01:00:33,960 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: steal for us out of this draft. You know, I

1113
01:00:35,920 --> 01:00:38,120
Speaker 1: wasn't a heck of a football player. I wasn't sure

1114
01:00:38,240 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: who he was when they went out there. I didn't

1115
01:00:40,600 --> 01:00:44,520
Speaker 1: look at the number and I saw this guy, what

1116
01:00:44,640 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: do you have fifty three fifty three on? Yeah? And

1117
01:00:48,360 --> 01:00:53,280
Speaker 1: I go look at that guy six two two thirty

1118
01:00:53,400 --> 01:00:57,240
Speaker 1: nine and he ran like four five four four forty yep.

1119
01:00:57,680 --> 01:01:01,240
Speaker 1: And it's like holy cow. And I said, well, that's

1120
01:01:01,560 --> 01:01:04,120
Speaker 1: that's why, that's why they took a chance on him,

1121
01:01:04,200 --> 01:01:06,120
Speaker 1: right yeah. And it's again it goes back to who

1122
01:01:06,200 --> 01:01:08,600
Speaker 1: you are too. He had the number eighteen jersey, which

1123
01:01:08,720 --> 01:01:11,160
Speaker 1: is an honor at LSU. You know, that's the guy

1124
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: that that has a blue character, as we like to

1125
01:01:13,880 --> 01:01:17,280
Speaker 1: call it, is the right kind of guy that he's

1126
01:01:17,320 --> 01:01:19,360
Speaker 1: a leader of your team. He's gonna have that captain's

1127
01:01:19,400 --> 01:01:22,480
Speaker 1: patch on. You know. You put that together with the

1128
01:01:22,800 --> 01:01:26,160
Speaker 1: grit and the tenacity and and doing all those extra things.

1129
01:01:26,240 --> 01:01:28,760
Speaker 1: And that showed up out there, you know, the other day.

1130
01:01:28,800 --> 01:01:31,280
Speaker 1: And that's who he is, and that's who that's the

1131
01:01:31,360 --> 01:01:33,200
Speaker 1: kind of guy you want to build your football team

1132
01:01:33,240 --> 01:01:36,360
Speaker 1: with every opportunity you have. You want guys like that,

1133
01:01:37,120 --> 01:01:40,800
Speaker 1: and and and and the thing that really impressed me,

1134
01:01:41,480 --> 01:01:45,160
Speaker 1: h I think. And it was a short interview, uh

1135
01:01:45,440 --> 01:01:50,000
Speaker 1: you know, and he his answers were all right, right, like, well,

1136
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:52,800
Speaker 1: when you think you can play, I'm worried about tomorrow,

1137
01:01:53,080 --> 01:01:55,080
Speaker 1: you know, day by day I'm not going to put

1138
01:01:55,520 --> 01:01:58,840
Speaker 1: any ceiling on myself or whatever like that. And then

1139
01:01:58,960 --> 01:02:01,280
Speaker 1: someone asked him what were your thoughts when you were

1140
01:02:02,240 --> 01:02:05,000
Speaker 1: going into surgery or when you just got out of surgery,

1141
01:02:05,240 --> 01:02:10,320
Speaker 1: and he said, my first thoughts were I've got to

1142
01:02:10,480 --> 01:02:15,200
Speaker 1: be a healthy man to help raise my daughter. It

1143
01:02:15,400 --> 01:02:20,360
Speaker 1: wasn't about football, right, That's that's how he answered the question.

1144
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:24,160
Speaker 1: And I said, okay, I want this guy on my team, right,

1145
01:02:24,640 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: And you're right if some guy can and guys have

1146
01:02:27,400 --> 01:02:30,600
Speaker 1: you know, Darryl Johnson played another year or so after

1147
01:02:30,760 --> 01:02:37,120
Speaker 1: he had similar they fused your vertebrate. Yeah right, that

1148
01:02:37,360 --> 01:02:39,960
Speaker 1: was after his career. He didn't have it soon enough.

1149
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:45,160
Speaker 1: Now he did not Layton Vanderess, similar surgery, similar tech,

1150
01:02:45,280 --> 01:02:47,320
Speaker 1: and they played. But you're right, you know the surgery

1151
01:02:47,440 --> 01:02:51,080
Speaker 1: is gonna work now mentally can you are you going

1152
01:02:51,120 --> 01:02:53,720
Speaker 1: to stick your head in there? But the way I

1153
01:02:53,880 --> 01:02:56,240
Speaker 1: looked at it is I was thinking, with four or

1154
01:02:56,280 --> 01:02:58,600
Speaker 1: fifth round picks, I could use one or two of

1155
01:02:58,680 --> 01:03:01,480
Speaker 1: those and I'm trade up, you know. And that's the

1156
01:03:01,560 --> 01:03:04,440
Speaker 1: advantage that we had of having for the round picks.

1157
01:03:04,480 --> 01:03:06,320
Speaker 1: And you know, during the draft, we had a couple

1158
01:03:06,400 --> 01:03:08,880
Speaker 1: opportunities maybe to package a couple of those up to

1159
01:03:08,960 --> 01:03:12,240
Speaker 1: go get them. But part of our job is understanding

1160
01:03:12,320 --> 01:03:14,880
Speaker 1: the depth of the draft. And this year's draft there

1161
01:03:15,040 --> 01:03:18,280
Speaker 1: was there wasn't a lot of high high guys. The

1162
01:03:19,480 --> 01:03:21,480
Speaker 1: strength of the draft was in the middle of the

1163
01:03:21,600 --> 01:03:25,560
Speaker 1: draft the world. And I think we got some phenomenal players.

1164
01:03:25,640 --> 01:03:27,440
Speaker 1: I mean, we've mentioned a bunch of them already. I

1165
01:03:27,480 --> 01:03:30,120
Speaker 1: think John Ridgeway is another guy that's gonna you know,

1166
01:03:30,200 --> 01:03:33,400
Speaker 1: we didn't have to take a nose tackle high up

1167
01:03:33,440 --> 01:03:35,280
Speaker 1: in the first or second round. And John's got a

1168
01:03:35,360 --> 01:03:37,400
Speaker 1: chance to come in and do some great things for us.

1169
01:03:37,640 --> 01:03:42,240
Speaker 1: Ever since his thighs they looked like redwood trees. And

1170
01:03:42,560 --> 01:03:45,680
Speaker 1: he's he's got that killer mentality in there that he's

1171
01:03:45,760 --> 01:03:48,040
Speaker 1: not afraid to put his face on it and get

1172
01:03:48,120 --> 01:03:50,160
Speaker 1: dirty and play a gap to a gap like a

1173
01:03:50,280 --> 01:03:53,640
Speaker 1: mean dude. You know, the last two guys we took,

1174
01:03:54,680 --> 01:03:59,000
Speaker 1: Darren Bland and Devon Harper. You know, they're they're productive

1175
01:03:59,080 --> 01:04:02,280
Speaker 1: college guys, led their team in tackles or interceptions. They

1176
01:04:02,480 --> 01:04:05,520
Speaker 1: both have a great special team's history, and those are

1177
01:04:05,600 --> 01:04:07,320
Speaker 1: guys that that's how you're going to earn a spot

1178
01:04:07,400 --> 01:04:09,720
Speaker 1: as a backup, coming in and moving up, you know,

1179
01:04:10,000 --> 01:04:12,800
Speaker 1: as as you learn and find a role on the team.

1180
01:04:12,920 --> 01:04:16,240
Speaker 1: And you know, we're just super excited about this draft class,

1181
01:04:16,360 --> 01:04:19,440
Speaker 1: and you know, can't wait to get into training camp

1182
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,160
Speaker 1: and see where guys are in their roles. Keep an

1183
01:04:21,160 --> 01:04:25,160
Speaker 1: eye on Bland. He's a corner and he was and

1184
01:04:25,320 --> 01:04:27,920
Speaker 1: I know they're out there and T shirt or jerseys

1185
01:04:27,960 --> 01:04:31,920
Speaker 1: and shorts, and but he was around the ball when

1186
01:04:32,000 --> 01:04:35,760
Speaker 1: he was playing corner a lot. And I'm going, okay,

1187
01:04:36,000 --> 01:04:38,240
Speaker 1: And then another guy and that's kind of how I

1188
01:04:38,400 --> 01:04:41,600
Speaker 1: judge them early. It's like, how do they handle these interviews? Right?

1189
01:04:41,920 --> 01:04:46,360
Speaker 1: It was like second nature to him. Funny story on him.

1190
01:04:46,400 --> 01:04:48,840
Speaker 1: When he came in here, the airlines lost his luggage

1191
01:04:49,680 --> 01:04:52,640
Speaker 1: and like for the visit or for visit, So you know,

1192
01:04:52,760 --> 01:04:54,560
Speaker 1: here's the guy I'm going to meet the Cowboys. And

1193
01:04:54,680 --> 01:04:56,880
Speaker 1: let me tell you, our thirty visits way different than

1194
01:04:56,960 --> 01:04:59,840
Speaker 1: any other teams because you get to meet the owner

1195
01:05:00,160 --> 01:05:02,640
Speaker 1: of the football team here, you get to spend I mean,

1196
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:05,720
Speaker 1: obviously we have this wonderful facility that gives us a

1197
01:05:05,800 --> 01:05:08,080
Speaker 1: little bit of humph too, but part of our visits

1198
01:05:08,120 --> 01:05:10,520
Speaker 1: meet and Jerry and Stephen Jones and you get a

1199
01:05:10,640 --> 01:05:14,160
Speaker 1: chance to talk to the owner as as a twenty one,

1200
01:05:14,280 --> 01:05:16,280
Speaker 1: twenty two year old kid. I mean, you don't get

1201
01:05:16,360 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 1: that opportunity to other places. So this poor guy loses

1202
01:05:19,600 --> 01:05:22,200
Speaker 1: that airlines loses luggage, you can't come in. He's got

1203
01:05:22,360 --> 01:05:24,400
Speaker 1: you know, sweats and a T shirt on and everything.

1204
01:05:24,480 --> 01:05:26,680
Speaker 1: So you know, we went and got him some some

1205
01:05:26,840 --> 01:05:31,520
Speaker 1: Cowboys to But I mean he handled it like a pro,

1206
01:05:32,240 --> 01:05:34,240
Speaker 1: you know, And that tells you a lot about guys too.

1207
01:05:34,440 --> 01:05:36,560
Speaker 1: You could be angry at the world for losing your

1208
01:05:36,600 --> 01:05:39,240
Speaker 1: luggage and it happens to all of us at some point.

1209
01:05:39,360 --> 01:05:42,120
Speaker 1: But the way they handle adversity is always a big

1210
01:05:42,200 --> 01:05:44,640
Speaker 1: thing for us to to keep in mind when we're

1211
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,040
Speaker 1: thinking about who who the guy is, not who the

1212
01:05:47,080 --> 01:05:48,960
Speaker 1: player is, you know, and I think that goes a

1213
01:05:49,000 --> 01:05:50,600
Speaker 1: long way for a lot of these guys. A guy

1214
01:05:50,720 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 1: from Old Miss Sam Williams, the defensive end. We talked

1215
01:05:53,320 --> 01:05:57,240
Speaker 1: about him last week. Um, he came in for the

1216
01:05:57,360 --> 01:06:00,320
Speaker 1: visit and they were asking him about how to win everything.

1217
01:06:00,440 --> 01:06:03,360
Speaker 1: He goes, I wanted to miss my flight. I didn't

1218
01:06:03,360 --> 01:06:06,480
Speaker 1: want to leave. And that was his visit, right he

1219
01:06:06,560 --> 01:06:10,360
Speaker 1: had got drafted yet, and he and uh and dan

1220
01:06:10,520 --> 01:06:13,520
Speaker 1: Quinn hit it off, I guess right away. But when

1221
01:06:13,560 --> 01:06:16,360
Speaker 1: you can see a change in your life coming and

1222
01:06:16,520 --> 01:06:18,960
Speaker 1: then you see this facility, you know, it's kind of

1223
01:06:19,000 --> 01:06:21,080
Speaker 1: hard not to be overwhelmed, you know. As a kid,

1224
01:06:21,600 --> 01:06:23,720
Speaker 1: some of them twenty years old, like you said, twenty

1225
01:06:23,760 --> 01:06:26,480
Speaker 1: one years old, I don't know what I would just

1226
01:06:26,600 --> 01:06:27,880
Speaker 1: look at what I had to look at when I

1227
01:06:28,000 --> 01:06:30,760
Speaker 1: came to the Cowboys, the facility that we had, and

1228
01:06:30,920 --> 01:06:37,720
Speaker 1: like I'm sure your reaction was like, what the hell?

1229
01:06:38,120 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: It was like they won Super Bowls practicing in this

1230
01:06:41,840 --> 01:06:47,040
Speaker 1: place So how long did it take you to meet

1231
01:06:47,120 --> 01:06:52,680
Speaker 1: Tom Landry? Then? Yeah, thousand Oaks? So not I mean

1232
01:06:52,800 --> 01:06:54,760
Speaker 1: you met Tom. I mean you know he can't and

1233
01:06:54,880 --> 01:06:57,760
Speaker 1: talk to us, but you don't meet Tom. I think

1234
01:06:57,840 --> 01:07:01,240
Speaker 1: Tom Lander went about shaking people's hand introduce it him.

1235
01:07:01,240 --> 01:07:03,560
Speaker 1: So he did not come on, Oh you wan't there,

1236
01:07:03,640 --> 01:07:06,240
Speaker 1: that's right, Yeah you want there? No, but that didn't happen.

1237
01:07:06,560 --> 01:07:09,600
Speaker 1: We met time in the meeting. We met him. When

1238
01:07:09,640 --> 01:07:12,920
Speaker 1: we met that was it? So had you met a culture?

1239
01:07:13,160 --> 01:07:18,040
Speaker 1: Was just Gill and whoever? If I recall, Gene Stalin's

1240
01:07:18,080 --> 01:07:21,000
Speaker 1: the first person that we met, and he was just

1241
01:07:21,520 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: a bundle of joy. Yeah, I was gonna say that

1242
01:07:24,480 --> 01:07:29,320
Speaker 1: probably scared exactly, got that bad Bryan accent. Yeah, I'm

1243
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:33,160
Speaker 1: from Texas, man, This stuff is traumatic. So now it

1244
01:07:33,320 --> 01:07:37,240
Speaker 1: was it was very you know, just just regularly what

1245
01:07:37,640 --> 01:07:40,960
Speaker 1: much going on there? Unceremonial. So you didn't met meet

1246
01:07:41,040 --> 01:07:43,440
Speaker 1: Clint Murkison, Now, please, I didn't even know what they

1247
01:07:43,480 --> 01:07:47,000
Speaker 1: looked like. I really didn't. I didn't. All right, we

1248
01:07:47,120 --> 01:07:50,760
Speaker 1: went over time again, but it was well worth it.

1249
01:07:50,840 --> 01:07:52,560
Speaker 1: We might have to get Chris to be the fourth

1250
01:07:52,680 --> 01:07:58,600
Speaker 1: on our crew. Here there cut into Bill Shine. There

1251
01:07:58,680 --> 01:08:02,760
Speaker 1: you go. Well we we uh, we appreciate it. And

1252
01:08:02,920 --> 01:08:05,560
Speaker 1: by the way, I didn't mention this earlier, but when

1253
01:08:05,640 --> 01:08:09,400
Speaker 1: we were playing D League adult hockey, this was the

1254
01:08:09,480 --> 01:08:14,080
Speaker 1: star defenseman on the team line. No, he we could

1255
01:08:14,120 --> 01:08:17,120
Speaker 1: put anybody out on his teeth. We got anybody else

1256
01:08:17,240 --> 01:08:20,720
Speaker 1: back there, We weren't pages anybody else could go back

1257
01:08:20,760 --> 01:08:24,360
Speaker 1: and play defense because Chris took care of everything. Yeah,

1258
01:08:24,760 --> 01:08:29,080
Speaker 1: so thanks a lot. Yeah, thanks a lot for doing it, Everson.

1259
01:08:29,160 --> 01:08:32,280
Speaker 1: We'll see you next week. We'll see where Bill is

1260
01:08:32,439 --> 01:08:35,840
Speaker 1: with the NBA playoffs, if he's back with us or not.

1261
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:39,960
Speaker 1: And we appreciate you guys joining us here on Dallas

1262
01:08:40,040 --> 01:08:44,320
Speaker 1: Cowboys dot Com. And that's it for Mick shots, Go Cowboys.

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