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Speaker 1: Hello, and welcome to food Stuff. I'm Anyeries and I'm

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Speaker 1: Lauren Vogelbaum, and today we've got sort of a special

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Speaker 1: episode for you. It's about ice cream Sundays. It's a

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Speaker 1: little different. We're going to present it as sort of

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Speaker 1: a trial. Yea, our first food stuff trial. I hope

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Speaker 1: there's a lot of Law and Order sound effects? Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: can we do that? Actually never seen Law and Order,

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Speaker 1: but I know the sound effect. But that's all we need.

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Speaker 1: You did it right there. Just make that occasionally, pick

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Speaker 1: your pick your spots. But okay, I think we'll really

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Speaker 1: add to it. Uh so, So surely people were topping

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Speaker 1: their ice cream with like stuff, yeah, before the ice

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Speaker 1: cream Sunday became a whole thing. Surely it just makes sense. Really,

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean ice cream is delicious, other stuff

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Speaker 1: is delicious. Put them together. Ice cream easiest, piela mode.

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Speaker 1: But a Sunday is something specific. It is which brings

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Speaker 1: us to a question, what is it? Well, I would say, okay,

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Speaker 1: this is Lauren's opinion. Okay, I would say an ice

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Speaker 1: cream Sunday requires at least two scoops of ice cream

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Speaker 1: if it's scooped. If not, then I guess that just

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Speaker 1: goes right out the window of soft serrup anyway. Um,

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Speaker 1: two scoops of ice cream, some kind of sweet syrup

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Speaker 1: or or other like liquid sauce like hot fudge as

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Speaker 1: a topping, and then a second kind of topping for

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Speaker 1: like texture or just punctuation like sprinkles or chopped nuts

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Speaker 1: or like a Marischino cherry on top. Um. Some people

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Speaker 1: like dairy queen, what a search that you don't need

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Speaker 1: anything after that that liquid topping for it to be

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Speaker 1: a Sunday. There based Sunday is just ice cream and

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Speaker 1: liquid topping. Everything else costs extra. I see, um, But anyway,

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Speaker 1: you're not mad about that at all. I'm not. I'm

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Speaker 1: not mad about it. I just don't think that it's

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Speaker 1: a Sunday unless it has two distinct toppings. Okay, I

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Speaker 1: see okay. But anyway, after those basic needs are met,

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Speaker 1: you've got a lot of room for possibilities. You know,

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Speaker 1: whipped cream, candy of whatever kind, whole or chopped fresh fruit,

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Speaker 1: fruit compote. That chocolate sauce that you know hardens when

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Speaker 1: it hits ice cream. Oh I kind of love that stuff.

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Speaker 1: Even that creeps me out, don't we all love foods

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Speaker 1: that are just kind of creepy when we think about them. Yep,

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Speaker 1: as you can imagine, we humans add all sorts of

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Speaker 1: toppings to Sundays these days, from fries in Japan too,

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Speaker 1: bacon uh, and we also make huge ones like the

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Speaker 1: Great Pyramid from Cabots ice Cream in Massachusetts. It comes

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Speaker 1: in a bowl almost two feet in diameter, loaded with

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Speaker 1: sixty points of ice cream pint sixty points, sixty points,

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Speaker 1: and twelve quarts of toppings. And on top of those

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Speaker 1: topics you add what I would call other toppings, but

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Speaker 1: they don't whipped cream, nuts, marshmallows, and a cherry on top.

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Speaker 1: And allegedly it serves you and seventy four of your pals.

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Speaker 1: I don't have a hundred and seventy four friends. I

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Speaker 1: don't think not that I want to eat a single

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Speaker 1: bowl of ice cream with. I'm gonna get multiple bowls

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Speaker 1: if I got this thing. I'm just gonna be straight

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Speaker 1: with everybody I've shared. I've shared a very large ice

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Speaker 1: cream Sunday with maybe like six of my friends. There

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Speaker 1: was a place and that we went to in high

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Speaker 1: school down by the beach that had very large Sundays.

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Speaker 1: But and I felt fancy as heck the time that

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Speaker 1: that happened, that sounds very fancy. That's why that sounds

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Speaker 1: like something I've only seen in movies. Right, Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I did not wear my Bobby sucks, but I nonetheless

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Speaker 1: felt Yes. Uh, technically banana splits and parfays stuff like

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Speaker 1: that are also Sundays. It's sort of like a square

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Speaker 1: around this kind of situation nutrition wise. Um, they're like

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Speaker 1: the a pit of have a treat. I mean, if

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Speaker 1: you think about their name, we're going to get into

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Speaker 1: this in a little bit. Sunday it's something special one

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Speaker 1: day a week when I wish I had known that.

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Speaker 1: I wish I thought of that as a kid, and

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Speaker 1: I could have made that argument better, but I didn't.

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Speaker 1: I didn't. It does depend highly on what kind of

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Speaker 1: ice cream and toppings you involved there. It's your my

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Speaker 1: ilige will definitely very It's true. My my go to it,

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Speaker 1: d Q Dairy Queen was hot Fudge Sunday, Hot fudge

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Speaker 1: sauce ampicons. How was it nice? Simple? Simple? I like

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Speaker 1: yogurt and I put every topic on, every single one.

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Speaker 1: I'm still upset about it, I am too. Do we

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Speaker 1: have we have some numbers? We do? We do? Oh,

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Speaker 1: we have a bunch of delightful numbers. Um so okay.

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Speaker 1: According to a Yahoo survey of about a thousand representative

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Speaker 1: ice cream is America's favorite dessert and one of us

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Speaker 1: prefer it to be in Sunday format as often. The

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Speaker 1: Guinness World Record for the largest ice cream Sunday was

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Speaker 1: made in Canada. It weighed twenty four point nine one

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Speaker 1: metric tons. That's almost fifty five thousand pounds. About four

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Speaker 1: and a half tons of that was syrup. Oh my goodness,

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Speaker 1: And according to Guinness, it looked quote not unlike a

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Speaker 1: dairy based tribute to job of the Hut Sunday, the

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Speaker 1: Hut and there and they were not lying. It kind

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Speaker 1: of did like a pink pink job of the Hut.

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Speaker 1: Guinness also reports a record for the longest ever ice

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Speaker 1: cream dessert a Sunday made in Texas, with about eight

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Speaker 1: hundred gallons of ice cream, uh, two thousand cans of

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Speaker 1: It's stretched almost one thousand, four hundred meters in length.

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Speaker 1: That's about feet. I had an aunt that told me,

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Speaker 1: and I think you've we done a brain stuff episode

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Speaker 1: about this, that dairy products gave you nightmares. Oh and

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Speaker 1: she just didn't want me to ice teamil like ten PM.

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Speaker 1: But can you imagine the bad dreams you'd have you

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Speaker 1: had this cream? It served a lot of people, I hope.

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Speaker 1: So I imagine you die if you try to. Oh goodness, yeah,

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Speaker 1: that's not no. Um Guinness is most expensive dessert on record.

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Speaker 1: Is also an ice cream sunday. UM a chocolate Sunday

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Speaker 1: offered for twenty five thousand dollars at a New York

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Speaker 1: City restaurant in two thousand seven. Um and included a

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Speaker 1: blend of twenty eight premium cocos and a golden spoon

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Speaker 1: incrusted with diamonds that was the buyers to keep. Well.

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Speaker 1: I guess different strokes for different films. Uh. And apparently

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Speaker 1: ice cream sundays are quite posh in New York City

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Speaker 1: an article in the New Yorker titled The ice Cream

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Speaker 1: Sunday Must be Stopped, complained that like nostalgic ice cream,

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Speaker 1: Who he was, He was real, real mad at them. Huh.

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Speaker 1: It's interesting because to me, I don't like if I'm

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Speaker 1: but I do get ice cream with two toppings, which

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Speaker 1: it's just in my head. I don't think of it

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Speaker 1: have to reevaluate my Sunday definition. Okay, question, but this

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Speaker 1: quick break for a word from our sponsor, and we're back.

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Speaker 1: Thank you sponsored, Yes, thank you. So now our trial begins. Yes, yes,

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Speaker 1: because the ice cream Sunday is the source of much contention.

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, people fight over it. There are songs like

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Speaker 1: fight songs. There are official legal documents and what has

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Speaker 1: been dubbed the Sunday Wars. The name is a source

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Speaker 1: of debate too. Oh yeah, yeah, like like like why

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Speaker 1: it's called a Sunday, that's correct, Lauren. Why it's spelled

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Speaker 1: with that E instead of a y? Yes, or sometimes

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Speaker 1: with an eye you monster? Um? Yes, So the name.

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Speaker 1: There's a popular, possibly apocryphal story is that the Blue

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Speaker 1: Laws here in the States, and these are laws prohibiting

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Speaker 1: certain activities on Sundays for religious reasons, did not allow

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Speaker 1: for ice cream sodas on Sundays because of their and

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Speaker 1: this is a quote in a document somewhere frilliness, No

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Speaker 1: frilliness on Sunday. Clergy preached against quote sucking soda on

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Speaker 1: in a famous newspaper, columnists by the name of H. L.

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Speaker 1: Mencken published a book called the American Language Supplement one.

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Speaker 1: introduction of the Sunday itself to George Hallower of Marshall, Illinois,

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Speaker 1: that seriously, not deadly, but quite seria, quite serious. Three

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Speaker 1: George Hallower walked into ed Burner's ice cream parlor and

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Speaker 1: asked the owner, Edward Burners, for an ice cream soda.

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Speaker 1: Interview published in the Two Rivers Reporter newspaper with Edward Burners.

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Speaker 1: In the article, Burners describes how the Sunday came to

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Speaker 1: some of that chocolate on an ice cream, he asked.

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Speaker 1: ice cream Sunday was born. Twist though, oh no, there

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Speaker 1: in eighty one, which is when Burners claims this went down.

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Speaker 1: his obituary acknowledged that he quote claimed to be the

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Speaker 1: does not have any such doubt. They officially recognized Two

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Speaker 1: Cooked in one George Halliera asked Edward C. Burner, the

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Speaker 1: Thank you, sponsor, Yes, thank you. Our first bit of

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Speaker 1: a big ice cream food fight? Oh that sounds extremely messy,

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Speaker 1: Yes it does. Annie, Annie has a twinkle in her

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Speaker 1: You guys, I want to be like some kind of

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Speaker 1: a lot of fun to do it. Also, let us

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Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no, certainly that's not no, not that organized. No.

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Speaker 1: But we did have fun dramatically reading court documents about

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Speaker 1: the ice Oh yeah, if anyone ever wants that to happen,

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Speaker 1: I think you know it sounds like one of those

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Speaker 1: Around that time, people had ice cream, they had syrups,

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Speaker 1: the Two Rivers people are gonna send as a DVD. Actually,

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Speaker 1: I would love that, right, Oh, it sounds so delightful.

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Speaker 1: Emily Ray wrote, I just wanted to share a lovely

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Speaker 1: and strange story about Marichino cherries since the episode on

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Speaker 1: If you jokingly asked them for something, it'd be no

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Speaker 1: surprise if you got it for your next birthday or

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Speaker 1: a Marachino cherry. One day, I exclaimed to my fiancee,

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Speaker 1: just give me a huge jar of them for Christmas

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Speaker 1: the little jars to make it for me. He had

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Speaker 1: an engagement ring. It was so beautiful and so as

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Speaker 1: it took forever to get through those things. That's pretty wonderful.

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Speaker 1: Oh my goodness. Yeah, yeah, thanks for sending. That's very cute. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: Um Elena wrote about our pepperoni episode. I was surprised

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Speaker 1: not really surprised since I love Italian food but dislike pepperoni.

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Speaker 1: Pepperoni rolls are very popular in Pittsburgh. Every pizza shop

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Speaker 1: Back in the nineteen thirties, Pittsburgh was a big industrial

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Speaker 1: serve those workers food. The sandwich had two thick slices

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Speaker 1: a thick tomato slice, and French fries. The owners put

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Speaker 1: have a whole meal in one hand. Over the years,

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Speaker 1: the sandwich stayed the same. It is huge and served

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Speaker 1: on wax paper, a treat for visitors of all walks

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Speaker 1: The original location is still there in Open seven, making

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Speaker 1: it hugely popular for the after club bar crowd. Putting

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Speaker 1: fries on the sandwich created a little tradition in the city.

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Speaker 1: You can find fries on sandwiches, Burger's, pizza, and even

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Speaker 1: an interesting fact for your future French fries episode. There

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Speaker 1: is going to be a French fries episode, right right?

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Speaker 1: Oh definitely? Oh my goodness, yeah, that's my um my,

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Speaker 1: he could find a deli or sandwich shop that would

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Speaker 1: put French fries on a sandwich, he was the happiest

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Speaker 1: about it. He would be like, we have to go

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Speaker 1: to this place in South Beach. They put French fries

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Speaker 1: you can do this yourself, and he was like, it's

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Speaker 1: not the same. They know how to do it, right.

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Speaker 1: I've never tried this, and I am determined to. She

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Speaker 1: sent pictures. Oh yeah, yeah, it's important that their shoestring fries,

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Speaker 1: according to me, because like that way, like you're you

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Speaker 1: get like maximum crisp um and not like like the

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Speaker 1: mealing us of French friends, which I usually enjoy. It's

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Speaker 1: a whole thing. If I see it sound with French fries,

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Speaker 1: I'm going to scoff and then probably order it. Agreed.

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Speaker 1: So thanks to both of them for writing too. As

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Speaker 1: if you'd like to write to as, you can our

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Speaker 1: emails food Stuff at how stuff works dot com. We're

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Speaker 1: also on social media. You can find us on Twitter

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Speaker 1: Instagram at food Stuff. We hope to hear from you.

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Speaker 1: There are some changes coming your way on I mean,

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Speaker 1: probably in life in general. I mean, I mean, I

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Speaker 1: don't know, I don't know your life, but but certainly

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Speaker 1: here on food stuff right, we're we're gearing up for

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Speaker 1: some really fun and interesting things. When I say it

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Speaker 1: that way, it probably sounds like the opposite of fun

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Speaker 1: and interesting, but well, I think like the Sunday Wars.

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Speaker 1: You never know, but it's good. It's good. It's like

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Speaker 1: a Sunday Yeah. Yeah, So don't don't be startled and

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Speaker 1: stick with us. Thank you as always to our super

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Speaker 1: producer Dylan Fagan, Thank you to you for listening, and

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Speaker 1: we hope that lots more good things are coming your way.

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