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Speaker 1: Slash Podcasts, as well as your favorite podcast platforms. We

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Speaker 1: have just finished the Giants preseason home opener as they

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Speaker 1: knock off the Cincinnati Bengals by the final count of

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Speaker 1: twenty five to twenty two. I am with Brandon London

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Speaker 1: for some instant analysis and I guess the first thing

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Speaker 1: you have to say about any preseason game, Brandon, is

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Speaker 1: you want to come out healthy. That the Giants had

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Speaker 1: Graham Gono leave the game examined for a concussion, you

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Speaker 1: best in all those cases. Yeah, and it's unfortunate because

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Speaker 1: the starting kicker, but Beavers was someone that we've been

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Speaker 1: that you really wanted to see him grow, not only

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Speaker 1: wonder how much that's gonna affect practice coming up this

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Speaker 1: Again last second win there two and oh in the preseason,

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Speaker 1: it's because this Giant's offense has taken a lot, you know,

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Speaker 1: There have been different guys who have been stepping up.

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