1 00:00:00,640 --> 00:00:02,040 Speaker 1: Can't find AM six forty. 2 00:00:02,120 --> 00:00:05,560 Speaker 2: You're listening to the John Cobel podcast on the iHeartRadio app. 3 00:00:06,280 --> 00:00:08,840 Speaker 2: You can join us every day from one until four o'clock, 4 00:00:09,360 --> 00:00:12,720 Speaker 2: and every day we post the show after four o'clock 5 00:00:13,000 --> 00:00:15,120 Speaker 2: in case you missed it, either a piece of it 6 00:00:15,240 --> 00:00:17,439 Speaker 2: or the whole thing, and that's also on the iHeart 7 00:00:17,920 --> 00:00:21,280 Speaker 2: Radio app. This story is going to stick with us 8 00:00:21,280 --> 00:00:24,200 Speaker 2: for a good long time because there's so many components 9 00:00:24,239 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 2: to it. It's the Charlie Kirk assassination. And next segment, 10 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:35,320 Speaker 2: I want to talk about Charlie Kirk's bizarre partner. 11 00:00:39,159 --> 00:00:42,840 Speaker 3: It's hard to characterize exactly what are you talking about, 12 00:00:42,960 --> 00:00:46,160 Speaker 3: Charlie Kirk's partner or the guy that suspected of killing 13 00:00:46,240 --> 00:00:47,480 Speaker 3: him's partner. 14 00:00:48,520 --> 00:00:51,360 Speaker 2: Did I say Charlie Kirk's partner. Yeah, thank you. This 15 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:57,960 Speaker 2: is why you're here, Charlie Kirk's killers partner. So we'll 16 00:00:57,960 --> 00:01:03,120 Speaker 2: do that and you stay right next to me. Okay, okay, 17 00:01:03,240 --> 00:01:04,280 Speaker 2: I'm easily confused. 18 00:01:04,319 --> 00:01:05,040 Speaker 3: Oh I am too. 19 00:01:05,200 --> 00:01:07,160 Speaker 1: I mean that was not I had. 20 00:01:07,080 --> 00:01:11,600 Speaker 2: You know something a big breaking news here. We're going 21 00:01:11,680 --> 00:01:13,920 Speaker 2: to talk first though, this is an important part of 22 00:01:13,920 --> 00:01:21,000 Speaker 2: the story. Is Charlie Kirk. I said this At the start, 23 00:01:21,120 --> 00:01:23,600 Speaker 2: I was aware of him. You know, I probably could 24 00:01:23,600 --> 00:01:25,319 Speaker 2: have told you the first four or five lines of 25 00:01:25,319 --> 00:01:29,200 Speaker 2: his Wikipedia entry. I knew he was in Trump's inner orbit, 26 00:01:29,360 --> 00:01:30,880 Speaker 2: had a lot to do with turning out the Youth 27 00:01:30,959 --> 00:01:34,200 Speaker 2: Vogue tour to colleges, but I wasn't in the target audience. 28 00:01:34,720 --> 00:01:37,440 Speaker 2: And in finding out that most of my friends people, 29 00:01:37,480 --> 00:01:40,520 Speaker 2: I know, maybe they knew of him, maybe they didn't, 30 00:01:40,600 --> 00:01:43,720 Speaker 2: but again, they weren't in the target audience. Under thirty 31 00:01:43,760 --> 00:01:51,240 Speaker 2: people clearly were college students, absolutely, and knowing now just 32 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:54,160 Speaker 2: how controversial he was, seeing some of the things he 33 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:58,240 Speaker 2: said and seeing how much he was hated by a 34 00:01:58,280 --> 00:02:01,800 Speaker 2: component of the population, what really shocks me even more 35 00:02:01,840 --> 00:02:05,520 Speaker 2: in retrospect is he had virtually no security when he 36 00:02:05,560 --> 00:02:09,480 Speaker 2: appeared at Utah Valley University last week when he was killed. 37 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:12,720 Speaker 2: We're going to talk with Don Mahallack. He's ABC News 38 00:02:12,800 --> 00:02:17,600 Speaker 2: Law Enforcement contributor, retired Senior Service secret retired Senior Circuit, 39 00:02:19,280 --> 00:02:23,560 Speaker 2: retired Secret Service Agents. Yeah, I know, I know, and 40 00:02:23,960 --> 00:02:25,959 Speaker 2: let's get done on quickly. How are you, Don? 41 00:02:27,320 --> 00:02:30,120 Speaker 1: Hey John good Man, I always love having you on 42 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,079 Speaker 1: What what? 43 00:02:32,080 --> 00:02:33,200 Speaker 4: What? I did? 44 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:39,240 Speaker 2: It really astound you that Charlie Kirk, considering his stature 45 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 2: and his controversy and the enemies he'd collected, would would 46 00:02:43,639 --> 00:02:46,040 Speaker 2: go out in front of three thousand people with virtually 47 00:02:46,080 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 2: no protection. 48 00:02:49,680 --> 00:02:52,280 Speaker 4: It doesn't understand me. I think the world of protection 49 00:02:52,360 --> 00:02:55,200 Speaker 4: has changed, and I still think people are trying to 50 00:02:55,280 --> 00:02:58,280 Speaker 4: catch up to it. You back back in the day, 51 00:02:58,919 --> 00:03:02,240 Speaker 4: you know, you could hold an outdoor event and alike 52 00:03:02,400 --> 00:03:05,520 Speaker 4: for somebody like a Charlie Kirk, and you probably could 53 00:03:05,600 --> 00:03:09,160 Speaker 4: do light security. But in this day and age, with 54 00:03:09,280 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 4: the way threats fantastasize online, with the instantaneous way people 55 00:03:13,680 --> 00:03:16,639 Speaker 4: can communicate, with these corners of the dark wherever these 56 00:03:16,639 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 4: websites like discord, where people can make violent statements literally 57 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:26,360 Speaker 4: almost unknown. You know, the protection discipline is different and 58 00:03:26,400 --> 00:03:28,079 Speaker 4: it is no longer the type of thing where you 59 00:03:28,120 --> 00:03:29,880 Speaker 4: can show up to an event with you know, six 60 00:03:29,960 --> 00:03:33,040 Speaker 4: people that could stand around the stage and it's safe. 61 00:03:33,240 --> 00:03:37,520 Speaker 4: You know. According to the Utah School Chief, he said 62 00:03:37,560 --> 00:03:41,640 Speaker 4: they followed the lead of his personal security people because quote, 63 00:03:41,840 --> 00:03:44,480 Speaker 4: they've done this all over the country. So that says 64 00:03:44,520 --> 00:03:47,520 Speaker 4: to me the Utah School Chief was either over relying 65 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 4: on private security and or didn't have the experience necessary 66 00:03:52,320 --> 00:03:56,600 Speaker 4: to protect this kind of event, and that's why the 67 00:03:56,600 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 4: event was set up where it was at. Why there 68 00:03:58,720 --> 00:04:01,000 Speaker 4: was They said there was six police officers there and 69 00:04:01,080 --> 00:04:04,880 Speaker 4: allegedly some plane clothes. People that attended the event said 70 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:08,000 Speaker 4: they didn't feel like there was any security. Anybody could 71 00:04:08,080 --> 00:04:10,640 Speaker 4: enter the event even though you had the register for tickets. 72 00:04:10,840 --> 00:04:14,360 Speaker 4: There was no access control, which is critical in a 73 00:04:14,400 --> 00:04:17,960 Speaker 4: in a any kind of a protective venue. In in addition 74 00:04:18,080 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 4: to that, as you said, John like Charlie had threats 75 00:04:21,839 --> 00:04:23,960 Speaker 4: against him, there was nine hundred people that found an 76 00:04:23,960 --> 00:04:27,320 Speaker 4: online petition against him from the allegedly from the campus, 77 00:04:27,680 --> 00:04:30,120 Speaker 4: and he was controversial, so that in and of itself 78 00:04:30,120 --> 00:04:33,120 Speaker 4: should have drove how they did protection. And the other 79 00:04:33,160 --> 00:04:36,800 Speaker 4: piece that was missing here is nobody seems to have 80 00:04:37,000 --> 00:04:39,960 Speaker 4: worked with anybody outside of the college, the local police, 81 00:04:39,960 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 4: the local ams, the local fire, your traditional stakeholders. They 82 00:04:43,720 --> 00:04:45,600 Speaker 4: were nowhere to be found, which is why we saw 83 00:04:45,600 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 4: this important video of Charlie being carried by his detail 84 00:04:49,760 --> 00:04:53,279 Speaker 4: to the car versus an ambulance being there and able 85 00:04:53,279 --> 00:04:56,360 Speaker 4: to render aid to him. Not that that may have 86 00:04:56,400 --> 00:04:58,839 Speaker 4: made a difference, but at least there would have been there. 87 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 4: There are a lot mistakes made in this world of protection. 88 00:05:02,120 --> 00:05:05,800 Speaker 4: I think a lot of it out of a period 89 00:05:06,279 --> 00:05:09,080 Speaker 4: of people just not understanding the world we're in now 90 00:05:09,120 --> 00:05:12,240 Speaker 4: and not getting to the point of really understanding we're 91 00:05:12,240 --> 00:05:16,520 Speaker 4: in't a dangerous part of the dangerous part of history. 92 00:05:16,560 --> 00:05:20,520 Speaker 4: Right now, You've got two assassinations against President Trump, You've 93 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,000 Speaker 4: had a CEO in New York who killed in broad daylight. 94 00:05:23,160 --> 00:05:29,359 Speaker 4: You've got the Pennsylvania governor's house, arsond Minnesota politicians targeted 95 00:05:30,040 --> 00:05:32,880 Speaker 4: for assassination. I mean, we're in a whole different threat 96 00:05:32,960 --> 00:05:35,000 Speaker 4: dynamic than we were twenty thirty years ago. 97 00:05:35,600 --> 00:05:38,359 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirch Pastor came on our show and said he 98 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,640 Speaker 2: knew that Charlie got hundreds of death threats, and I 99 00:05:42,760 --> 00:05:46,880 Speaker 2: guess didn't take it seriously enough to bring his own 100 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:51,240 Speaker 2: major force, or to work with local police or school security, 101 00:05:52,240 --> 00:05:54,520 Speaker 2: or just do the venue indoors where you get have 102 00:05:54,600 --> 00:06:00,440 Speaker 2: much better crowd control and weapons detectors, metal detectors. I'm 103 00:06:00,480 --> 00:06:02,880 Speaker 2: just kind of surprised that he wasn't aware of the 104 00:06:02,960 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 2: danger he was in, or maybe he was and didn't 105 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:08,159 Speaker 2: bother him apparently deeply enough. 106 00:06:09,560 --> 00:06:15,120 Speaker 4: Well oftentimes to protectee is not either aware or does 107 00:06:15,160 --> 00:06:18,640 Speaker 4: not understand the veracity of the threats against them, which 108 00:06:18,640 --> 00:06:22,880 Speaker 4: is why the professionals around him or working with him 109 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:26,760 Speaker 4: are the ones that need to sort of guide the protection, 110 00:06:26,880 --> 00:06:29,919 Speaker 4: in this case, his private security. When they got to 111 00:06:29,960 --> 00:06:33,400 Speaker 4: the school, I mean the line of sight issues at 112 00:06:33,400 --> 00:06:35,840 Speaker 4: that site, it looked a lot like Butler. You had 113 00:06:35,839 --> 00:06:37,840 Speaker 4: a lot of buildings around where they put him. They 114 00:06:37,839 --> 00:06:40,400 Speaker 4: basically put him for lack of a bettermini of shooting gallery. 115 00:06:40,560 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 4: They could have manipulated the site so he wasn't in 116 00:06:42,960 --> 00:06:45,320 Speaker 4: direct line of sight of these buildings. They could have 117 00:06:45,320 --> 00:06:48,080 Speaker 4: had better access control. They could have moved the event 118 00:06:48,160 --> 00:06:50,800 Speaker 4: indoors because of the threats. There's a range of things 119 00:06:50,839 --> 00:06:53,479 Speaker 4: they could have done in order to better secure that 120 00:06:53,600 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 4: site that were not implemented. It looked like they literally 121 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:58,280 Speaker 4: pisched a tent and said here we go and had 122 00:06:58,320 --> 00:06:58,760 Speaker 4: an event. 123 00:06:59,000 --> 00:07:01,320 Speaker 1: Oh that is not who should protection? 124 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,599 Speaker 2: If Kirk wasn't going to take the lead on this, 125 00:07:04,040 --> 00:07:06,640 Speaker 2: who should have taken the lead? Was it the responsibility 126 00:07:06,760 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 2: of the school or of the city, the county. Somebody 127 00:07:10,400 --> 00:07:12,600 Speaker 2: should have said, look, we'd love to have you here, 128 00:07:12,640 --> 00:07:15,080 Speaker 2: but we're going to insist on the following measures. 129 00:07:16,640 --> 00:07:19,800 Speaker 4: The local school, the school has a police department, the 130 00:07:19,840 --> 00:07:22,440 Speaker 4: local school police department should have taken the lead, and 131 00:07:22,520 --> 00:07:24,800 Speaker 4: if they didn't have the experience to take the lead, 132 00:07:25,200 --> 00:07:28,000 Speaker 4: probably should have invited in the local police or the 133 00:07:28,040 --> 00:07:31,360 Speaker 4: state police and said, look, we're going to have this event. 134 00:07:31,600 --> 00:07:33,640 Speaker 4: Don't know what we're getting ourselves into. There's a lot 135 00:07:33,640 --> 00:07:36,800 Speaker 4: of issues here. You want to help us, and guarantee 136 00:07:36,880 --> 00:07:38,800 Speaker 4: they would they would have helped, and they would have 137 00:07:38,800 --> 00:07:40,680 Speaker 4: come up with a better plan than what they had. 138 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:45,920 Speaker 4: The buildings around that perimeter from from eyewitnesses were wide open, unsecured, 139 00:07:46,240 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 4: and from a report that just came out from ABC, 140 00:07:48,760 --> 00:07:51,560 Speaker 4: it sounds like the shooter did his homework. He looked 141 00:07:51,560 --> 00:07:54,640 Speaker 4: at maps, he went to the site, he checked the buildings, 142 00:07:54,800 --> 00:07:57,400 Speaker 4: He did his homework. More so than it sounds like 143 00:07:57,440 --> 00:08:00,640 Speaker 4: the people that were there to provide security for the site, 144 00:08:00,720 --> 00:08:02,000 Speaker 4: and that's what we're up against. 145 00:08:02,280 --> 00:08:03,760 Speaker 1: Yeah, I heard he was there at six start in 146 00:08:03,760 --> 00:08:06,720 Speaker 1: the morning doing his research. 147 00:08:08,160 --> 00:08:12,120 Speaker 4: He was there beforehand, apparently doing his research. And yet 148 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:15,880 Speaker 4: the local officials on the college campus, you know, they 149 00:08:15,880 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 4: were again, whether it's inexperience or they were too reliant 150 00:08:20,640 --> 00:08:23,640 Speaker 4: on a private security, they didn't really look at the 151 00:08:23,680 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 4: same threat picture and threat and threats and threat intelligence, 152 00:08:27,560 --> 00:08:29,960 Speaker 4: drive everything with protection and look at it and go 153 00:08:30,000 --> 00:08:32,439 Speaker 4: holl wait a second, we could have a problem here, 154 00:08:32,800 --> 00:08:35,200 Speaker 4: let's try to I mean, even from the perspective of 155 00:08:35,240 --> 00:08:39,240 Speaker 4: a crowd overrunning the stage and overrunning the area, that 156 00:08:40,320 --> 00:08:43,160 Speaker 4: site wasn't set up to even protect from that. So 157 00:08:43,240 --> 00:08:46,640 Speaker 4: they really needed and these days people really need to 158 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:49,000 Speaker 4: do their homework and do a much better job of 159 00:08:49,040 --> 00:08:51,480 Speaker 4: pulling all the stakeholders together to make sure that you're 160 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:54,839 Speaker 4: covering your bases and that site security is paramount. Whenever 161 00:08:54,880 --> 00:08:56,920 Speaker 4: you have an individual like a Charlie. 162 00:08:56,720 --> 00:09:00,800 Speaker 2: Kirk visiting, Don, thank you for coming on, Thanks for 163 00:09:00,800 --> 00:09:03,080 Speaker 2: having me, John all right, Don Mahallak, ABC News law 164 00:09:03,160 --> 00:09:08,600 Speaker 2: enforcement contributor and retired senior Secret Service agent at a 165 00:09:08,600 --> 00:09:12,400 Speaker 2: Philadelphia and we often have them on when we come back. 166 00:09:12,679 --> 00:09:14,880 Speaker 2: By the way, I saw a photo from the roof 167 00:09:15,559 --> 00:09:20,400 Speaker 2: and the line of sight to the stage was incredibly clear. 168 00:09:21,800 --> 00:09:27,559 Speaker 2: He had an absolute wide open shot at picking off 169 00:09:27,640 --> 00:09:31,000 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk or anybody else that he wanted. And you 170 00:09:31,040 --> 00:09:33,720 Speaker 2: would think, after Butler, the first thing that would pop 171 00:09:33,760 --> 00:09:37,520 Speaker 2: into people's minds is, well, what buildings can a sniper 172 00:09:37,679 --> 00:09:42,880 Speaker 2: perch on? And now that it's happened twice. I just 173 00:09:42,920 --> 00:09:46,280 Speaker 2: can't believe that everybody involved it didn't occur to him. Now, 174 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 2: maybe the police chief didn't know a whole lot about 175 00:09:48,240 --> 00:09:50,840 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk. I'm finding a fair number of people didn't 176 00:09:50,880 --> 00:09:54,520 Speaker 2: realize what he was and the controversy he brought with him, 177 00:09:54,880 --> 00:09:57,559 Speaker 2: And maybe the police chief was not in the loop 178 00:09:57,559 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 2: on that. Maybe you know, other leaders we're not that 179 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:04,240 Speaker 2: way either. I mean, there's a lot of speakers going around. 180 00:10:04,280 --> 00:10:06,880 Speaker 2: It's a lot of political people, a lot of podcast hosts, 181 00:10:06,920 --> 00:10:09,400 Speaker 2: a lot of radio hosts, a lot of guys, you know, 182 00:10:09,440 --> 00:10:13,480 Speaker 2: banging a drum looking for attention, and it's impossible for 183 00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:16,480 Speaker 2: anybody to keep up with all this. When we come 184 00:10:16,559 --> 00:10:25,319 Speaker 2: back Charlie Kirk's killer's partner. There, you go, Wow, this 185 00:10:25,320 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 2: this partner wasn't just trance more than that. Very disturbing 186 00:10:32,400 --> 00:10:35,200 Speaker 2: something I've always been disturbed by since I learned it 187 00:10:35,200 --> 00:10:35,680 Speaker 2: as a thing. 188 00:10:36,520 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobelt on demand from KFI AM 189 00:10:40,880 --> 00:10:41,400 Speaker 5: six forty. 190 00:10:42,920 --> 00:10:45,559 Speaker 2: We are on from one to four every day the 191 00:10:45,760 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 2: Moist Line. You can get started now eight seven seven 192 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,400 Speaker 2: Moist st eighty six eight seven seven mois staighty six 193 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 2: or eight seven, seven sixty six four seven eight eight 194 00:10:55,480 --> 00:10:59,120 Speaker 2: six use the talkback feature on the iHeartRadio app and 195 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:02,839 Speaker 2: Friday twice in the three o'clock hour, we will play 196 00:11:02,880 --> 00:11:06,720 Speaker 2: the calls back. So we just had Don Mahalakhan, he's 197 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:11,319 Speaker 2: the retired senior Secret Service agent, ABC News Law Enforcement correspondent, 198 00:11:11,760 --> 00:11:16,160 Speaker 2: and we discussed the almost complete lack of security at 199 00:11:16,440 --> 00:11:21,320 Speaker 2: Charlie Kirk's event, and now understanding fully his fame and 200 00:11:21,400 --> 00:11:28,960 Speaker 2: notoriety and controversy and the enemies and the anger that 201 00:11:29,040 --> 00:11:34,480 Speaker 2: he collected along the way, I find it inconceivable that 202 00:11:34,559 --> 00:11:40,360 Speaker 2: he didn't do this indoors, with metal detectors, with crowd control. 203 00:11:41,800 --> 00:11:46,400 Speaker 2: People hired tickets even if you're not charging tickets, with 204 00:11:46,480 --> 00:11:51,120 Speaker 2: barcodes and just everything, the whole thing. 205 00:11:52,200 --> 00:11:54,240 Speaker 1: And because there's. 206 00:11:54,040 --> 00:11:56,760 Speaker 2: No way a guy with a rifle would have been 207 00:11:57,040 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 2: able to pull off a shot from one hundred fifty 208 00:12:00,520 --> 00:12:04,079 Speaker 2: yards away. I mean, there's always a way if you 209 00:12:04,120 --> 00:12:06,400 Speaker 2: want to get at somebody, but the idea is to 210 00:12:06,440 --> 00:12:10,960 Speaker 2: reduce the possibilities, make it as difficult as possible. And 211 00:12:11,559 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 2: I realized that his whole routine was just shows up 212 00:12:14,920 --> 00:12:17,760 Speaker 2: with a chair and throws the chair out on the stage, 213 00:12:17,800 --> 00:12:21,319 Speaker 2: sits down. He's got a microphone. You get a microphone 214 00:12:21,360 --> 00:12:23,040 Speaker 2: on a table in front of the stage, and let's 215 00:12:23,080 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 2: go to it. Very simple, nothing threatening about it, nothing 216 00:12:29,080 --> 00:12:33,840 Speaker 2: domineering about it. But you know, he's uncorked a lot 217 00:12:33,840 --> 00:12:36,440 Speaker 2: of rage in people, as you could see by the 218 00:12:36,480 --> 00:12:39,559 Speaker 2: aftermath of the assassination. And we'll talk about that later. 219 00:12:40,600 --> 00:12:43,680 Speaker 2: But here's the part during the week during the weekend 220 00:12:44,320 --> 00:12:49,760 Speaker 2: that made me go, ah, I truly don't understand this, 221 00:12:49,880 --> 00:12:50,319 Speaker 2: and we have. 222 00:12:50,360 --> 00:12:51,959 Speaker 1: Talked about this from time to time. 223 00:12:53,200 --> 00:13:00,440 Speaker 2: The trans partner of Charlie Kirk's Killer Killer is named 224 00:13:00,640 --> 00:13:05,360 Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson. His partner at home and this is a 225 00:13:05,440 --> 00:13:14,200 Speaker 2: real name, Lance Twigs. Lance is a guy transitioning to 226 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:22,600 Speaker 2: becoming a woman. They're romantically involved. This is the first 227 00:13:22,600 --> 00:13:27,240 Speaker 2: time I thought using the word partner makes sense, because 228 00:13:27,360 --> 00:13:32,760 Speaker 2: what do you call them a boyfriend? Girlfriend? It maybe 229 00:13:32,800 --> 00:13:40,640 Speaker 2: depends on the day. Lance was also a furry. You 230 00:13:40,679 --> 00:13:41,439 Speaker 2: know about furries. 231 00:13:41,520 --> 00:13:42,960 Speaker 1: You're looking quizzically at me. 232 00:13:43,520 --> 00:13:45,679 Speaker 3: Of course I do, because you talk about them all 233 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:46,920 Speaker 3: the time on this show. 234 00:13:46,880 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 2: Because they really really bothered me, and they pop up 235 00:13:49,360 --> 00:13:52,560 Speaker 2: in the news from time to time. In fact, the 236 00:13:52,679 --> 00:13:56,920 Speaker 2: last furry story was the guy who shot up the 237 00:13:57,040 --> 00:14:02,640 Speaker 2: church in Minneapolis also transgender, and he had a girlfriend 238 00:14:02,679 --> 00:14:05,480 Speaker 2: who was a furry, and he was angry at the 239 00:14:05,480 --> 00:14:07,800 Speaker 2: girlfriend for being a furry. 240 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:09,360 Speaker 1: I don't know if he was or not. But in 241 00:14:09,400 --> 00:14:10,439 Speaker 1: this case, according to. 242 00:14:10,400 --> 00:14:12,600 Speaker 2: News reports, and I got the Daily Mail and I 243 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:18,120 Speaker 2: got the New York Post. Here these people had multiple 244 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:24,320 Speaker 2: identities online. Lance Twigs again is the partner going male 245 00:14:24,400 --> 00:14:31,520 Speaker 2: to female and a furry and furries like to dress 246 00:14:31,640 --> 00:14:38,040 Speaker 2: up in fur costumes of animals, and they also there's 247 00:14:38,080 --> 00:14:44,080 Speaker 2: a sexual component to it's lance. Twigs was seen in 248 00:14:44,120 --> 00:14:49,000 Speaker 2: social media photos wearing fur ears and other fur garb. 249 00:14:52,840 --> 00:14:53,360 Speaker 5: What is that? 250 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:57,040 Speaker 1: That's serious? I don't know why. 251 00:14:57,480 --> 00:15:00,280 Speaker 2: How the hell do you end up being sex really 252 00:15:00,360 --> 00:15:03,520 Speaker 2: stimulated by dressing up in a fur costume as an 253 00:15:03,560 --> 00:15:06,320 Speaker 2: animal and then you find a guy who's attracted to it. 254 00:15:06,560 --> 00:15:08,720 Speaker 3: Why don't you get a free on this show and ask? 255 00:15:09,360 --> 00:15:13,280 Speaker 3: Because I cannot explain that to you, because I don't understand. 256 00:15:13,320 --> 00:15:17,960 Speaker 2: I'm afraid to they're taking people out these days. I 257 00:15:19,760 --> 00:15:25,800 Speaker 2: there's a username associated with Tyler Robinson. A username has 258 00:15:25,800 --> 00:15:31,640 Speaker 2: an account on fur affinity dot net, so he had 259 00:15:31,680 --> 00:15:34,840 Speaker 2: an account. I don't know if his trans friend used it, 260 00:15:35,160 --> 00:15:39,160 Speaker 2: or this guy was also into the movement. They cater 261 00:15:39,280 --> 00:15:44,400 Speaker 2: to people who like humanoid animal illustrations and dressing up 262 00:15:44,440 --> 00:15:47,360 Speaker 2: in first toos, furs, suits, and many of the cartoon 263 00:15:47,400 --> 00:15:53,320 Speaker 2: animal characters pictured on the site are in sexualized poses. Now, 264 00:15:53,760 --> 00:15:57,320 Speaker 2: I know your sexuality can be affected by childhood traumas 265 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 2: or childhood right and end up with strange fetishes. You know, 266 00:16:03,640 --> 00:16:05,960 Speaker 2: maybe if you see your mom and the nude too 267 00:16:06,040 --> 00:16:08,240 Speaker 2: many times, it might stir something up later. 268 00:16:08,280 --> 00:16:08,960 Speaker 1: I don't know. 269 00:16:10,240 --> 00:16:17,640 Speaker 2: I had a very very dull upbringing, painfully excruciatingly boring. 270 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:21,840 Speaker 3: Mom and dad. They weren't furries. 271 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:25,400 Speaker 2: Yeah, mom and dad weren't furries, and neither were any 272 00:16:25,400 --> 00:16:27,960 Speaker 2: of my friend's parents or their brothers. Or this is 273 00:16:28,000 --> 00:16:32,120 Speaker 2: there was no furries where I grew up. And I 274 00:16:32,280 --> 00:16:33,400 Speaker 2: really don't get this all. 275 00:16:33,480 --> 00:16:33,840 Speaker 1: I don't know. 276 00:16:33,960 --> 00:16:37,840 Speaker 2: Is it something you're in the crib and something about 277 00:16:37,840 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 2: your stuffed animals. 278 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:42,160 Speaker 1: It's got to start somewhere. 279 00:16:43,120 --> 00:16:44,000 Speaker 3: I couldn't tell you. 280 00:16:44,040 --> 00:16:46,800 Speaker 2: Maybe a pet, you got a little you're coupling with 281 00:16:46,840 --> 00:16:48,840 Speaker 2: your pet and the sofa and got a little. 282 00:16:48,680 --> 00:16:49,240 Speaker 3: Turn jew on. 283 00:16:49,400 --> 00:16:51,720 Speaker 2: Well, yeah, maybe the dog came and started looking a 284 00:16:51,760 --> 00:16:52,800 Speaker 2: little too close. 285 00:16:52,640 --> 00:16:55,040 Speaker 3: You know, those boy dogs that red rocket. 286 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 2: Hey, my dog humps me. He jumps up in the couch, 287 00:16:59,600 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 2: grab my arm and starts, Okay, I have. 288 00:17:02,600 --> 00:17:04,719 Speaker 3: A female dog that humps people. 289 00:17:05,400 --> 00:17:07,760 Speaker 2: Well, it seems like my dog should meet your dog 290 00:17:08,280 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 2: and we should give him a little private time. 291 00:17:10,520 --> 00:17:14,960 Speaker 1: Mine's fixed, so is mine. Isn't that supposed to take the. 292 00:17:14,600 --> 00:17:16,639 Speaker 3: Boy dogs, yes, but they do it. 293 00:17:16,680 --> 00:17:17,080 Speaker 6: They don't. 294 00:17:17,119 --> 00:17:19,560 Speaker 3: They don't necessarily do it because their horny. It's to 295 00:17:19,600 --> 00:17:22,320 Speaker 3: be dominant. They're trying to prove the dominance. 296 00:17:22,480 --> 00:17:24,320 Speaker 1: The somebody'sn't have to prove his dominant on me. 297 00:17:24,680 --> 00:17:27,800 Speaker 3: I don't know, because you're because he wants to let 298 00:17:27,800 --> 00:17:31,960 Speaker 3: you know. He he is the mister Leo, and he 299 00:17:32,080 --> 00:17:32,600 Speaker 3: is the boss. 300 00:17:32,720 --> 00:17:35,840 Speaker 1: He's at and he grabs tight. 301 00:17:35,960 --> 00:17:37,679 Speaker 2: I mean, he gets his claws in you and he 302 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:41,120 Speaker 2: starts jumping on your arm. It's like, oh, man, well 303 00:17:41,119 --> 00:17:47,639 Speaker 2: assert your dominance. I'm gonna That's what I'm saying. Next thing, 304 00:17:47,680 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 2: you know, you're a furry. 305 00:17:49,520 --> 00:17:50,159 Speaker 4: Well, there you go. 306 00:17:50,240 --> 00:17:51,359 Speaker 3: You answered your own question. 307 00:17:55,160 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 6: I just but the thing is, it's been it's been 308 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:03,159 Speaker 6: too too murders in about two three weeks between this 309 00:18:03,200 --> 00:18:06,359 Speaker 6: and the Minneapolis shooting, and there was a furry element 310 00:18:06,480 --> 00:18:10,680 Speaker 6: in both of them, and so I'm baffled. 311 00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:15,360 Speaker 2: I'm puzzled. I'm very disturbed. I We'll continue in a minute. 312 00:18:16,960 --> 00:18:19,520 Speaker 2: And you know that's why the the etchings on one 313 00:18:19,560 --> 00:18:23,840 Speaker 2: of the bullets had to do with furry phrases from 314 00:18:23,920 --> 00:18:24,840 Speaker 2: memes and things. 315 00:18:25,080 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: There's a whole weird, sick underworld out there. 316 00:18:28,720 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 3: I'm as boring as you are because I don't know 317 00:18:31,960 --> 00:18:36,000 Speaker 3: anything about this stuff. 318 00:18:36,280 --> 00:18:39,680 Speaker 1: I have to edit myself. Please do several times. 319 00:18:40,680 --> 00:18:44,760 Speaker 5: You're listening to John Cobel's on demand from KFI A 320 00:18:45,040 --> 00:18:45,560 Speaker 5: six forty. 321 00:18:46,359 --> 00:18:48,400 Speaker 2: We are on every day from one until four o'clock 322 00:18:48,720 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: and after four o'clock John Cobelt Show on demand on 323 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:57,040 Speaker 2: the iHeart app, trying to unravel the life of Travis 324 00:18:57,119 --> 00:19:03,200 Speaker 2: Robinson who was wound. I wound up with a romantic 325 00:19:03,240 --> 00:19:08,639 Speaker 2: partner named Lance Twiggs, a guy transitioning to be a girl. 326 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:12,440 Speaker 2: And it looks like he was a furry like to 327 00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:16,440 Speaker 2: dress up in fur costumes and there's a sexual component 328 00:19:16,480 --> 00:19:23,160 Speaker 2: to it. And part of the transition process was the 329 00:19:23,200 --> 00:19:25,879 Speaker 2: hormones he was taking. And I'll mention that in a second. 330 00:19:25,880 --> 00:19:29,159 Speaker 2: I just I just wanted just to reset for a second. 331 00:19:29,400 --> 00:19:32,040 Speaker 2: The reason I'm talking about this is when the shooting 332 00:19:32,160 --> 00:19:36,080 Speaker 2: first happened. I noticed it came at the very end 333 00:19:36,320 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 2: of a statement Kirk was making about transgenders, regarding how 334 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:46,679 Speaker 2: many of them are out there murdering, how many of 335 00:19:46,720 --> 00:19:50,560 Speaker 2: them were involved in school shootings. I was prompted by 336 00:19:50,600 --> 00:19:53,560 Speaker 2: a question of the audience, and there was something that 337 00:19:53,640 --> 00:19:57,400 Speaker 2: hit me right away that that was a statement from 338 00:19:57,440 --> 00:20:02,239 Speaker 2: the shooter. That was a punctuation, an exco period, an exclamation. 339 00:20:01,760 --> 00:20:02,359 Speaker 1: Point, whatever. 340 00:20:03,600 --> 00:20:07,919 Speaker 2: As soon as Kirk finished his thought, boom, he got nailed. 341 00:20:09,359 --> 00:20:11,800 Speaker 2: That was just my my impulse, and it turned out 342 00:20:13,560 --> 00:20:17,640 Speaker 2: turned out it was a correct impulse because more than anything, 343 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,679 Speaker 2: it seems that Travis Robinson and Lance Twigs were very 344 00:20:21,760 --> 00:20:28,199 Speaker 2: upset with people who were not on the trans program 345 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 2: and and increasingly had made it clear how they felt. 346 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:37,160 Speaker 1: Online. 347 00:20:37,560 --> 00:20:42,960 Speaker 2: Lance Twiggs, the partner, posted about the medications he was 348 00:20:43,000 --> 00:20:48,200 Speaker 2: taking to slow his beard growth and get good hip growth. 349 00:20:50,760 --> 00:20:54,960 Speaker 2: I mean the I'm sorry, these sound like very weird experiments. 350 00:20:55,480 --> 00:20:59,320 Speaker 2: Can you imagine taking hormones to slow down your beard 351 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:03,119 Speaker 2: and he increase your hip size whatever the hell it 352 00:21:03,240 --> 00:21:14,080 Speaker 2: was doing. And he also told members on another subreddit 353 00:21:14,280 --> 00:21:18,280 Speaker 2: of ex Christians, Lance Twig said he was told I 354 00:21:18,320 --> 00:21:20,920 Speaker 2: was possessed by a demon by his family, and then 355 00:21:20,960 --> 00:21:25,040 Speaker 2: within thirty minutes kicked out of the house because when 356 00:21:25,080 --> 00:21:27,960 Speaker 2: they tried to but they tried to get him help 357 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 2: for being a transgender, I started laughing and said, I'm 358 00:21:32,119 --> 00:21:36,439 Speaker 2: not going to a bishop for a blessing. Twig's family 359 00:21:36,440 --> 00:21:41,000 Speaker 2: appears to be conservative Christians based on their social media profiles, 360 00:21:41,040 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 2: and Lance Twigg's sister follows Erica kirk Clark's widow on Instagram. 361 00:21:51,240 --> 00:21:56,359 Speaker 2: They also were obsessive gamers. They literally spent thousands of 362 00:21:56,480 --> 00:22:04,320 Speaker 2: hours on gaming sites. Very very bizarre subcultures out there. 363 00:22:07,880 --> 00:22:13,440 Speaker 2: There's a journalist named andy negu and Goo. We've had 364 00:22:13,480 --> 00:22:19,800 Speaker 2: him on before. He got some of his own investigational material, 365 00:22:20,480 --> 00:22:23,800 Speaker 2: he says. In November twenty twenty four, Lance Twiggs, the partner, 366 00:22:24,040 --> 00:22:29,600 Speaker 2: posted about his anxiety while injecting cross sex hormones on 367 00:22:29,600 --> 00:22:35,400 Speaker 2: one thread. Replying to a comment on injection pain, he says, seriously, 368 00:22:35,560 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 2: sometimes just muscle memory. Sometimes I gotta get buzzed with something, 369 00:22:39,680 --> 00:22:47,520 Speaker 2: so I'm not too anxious about it. He also responded 370 00:22:47,520 --> 00:22:51,680 Speaker 2: to a post some other guy was lamenting the reelection 371 00:22:51,800 --> 00:22:58,919 Speaker 2: of Donald Trump and Lance Twiggs responded, well, actually, the 372 00:22:58,960 --> 00:23:02,119 Speaker 2: original post was Trump winning has motivated me to finally 373 00:23:02,119 --> 00:23:05,520 Speaker 2: fix my life. I won't let the idiot cispleeps who 374 00:23:05,560 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 2: want to be miserable win. I'll be independent, fit, happy, 375 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:12,800 Speaker 2: and trains and they can't stop me. Twiggs responded, honestly, same. 376 00:23:13,080 --> 00:23:15,399 Speaker 2: I realized, after a bit of dooming that even if 377 00:23:15,440 --> 00:23:18,840 Speaker 2: I was overall hiding from the local public now socially, 378 00:23:18,840 --> 00:23:23,159 Speaker 2: my life wouldn't really change, which was more depressing than 379 00:23:23,200 --> 00:23:23,800 Speaker 2: any election. 380 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:26,680 Speaker 1: Now. 381 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:30,280 Speaker 2: Robinson the Killer he had an avatar on his discord 382 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:34,680 Speaker 2: site which was of the human owner character of Garfield 383 00:23:34,760 --> 00:23:37,560 Speaker 2: the Cat a. 384 00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:44,760 Speaker 1: Hell. 385 00:23:45,000 --> 00:23:47,240 Speaker 2: Now, while Twiggs is claiming he was kicked out of 386 00:23:47,240 --> 00:23:51,000 Speaker 2: the house, the apartment that Twiggs and Robinson lived in 387 00:23:51,119 --> 00:24:00,520 Speaker 2: is owned by Twiggs family. I don't recognize the world. 388 00:24:01,520 --> 00:24:03,439 Speaker 2: I don't know what I'm reading. I don't know who 389 00:24:03,440 --> 00:24:05,000 Speaker 2: these people are. I don't know how many of them 390 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:12,960 Speaker 2: there are. I don't know what gets you here to 391 00:24:13,040 --> 00:24:18,640 Speaker 2: where I was looking up the history of furries. Apparently, 392 00:24:18,640 --> 00:24:23,240 Speaker 2: two cartoonists back in nineteen seventy six started creating animal 393 00:24:23,280 --> 00:24:30,920 Speaker 2: focus to art, and many of the works contained adult themes, 394 00:24:30,960 --> 00:24:34,639 Speaker 2: such as Omaha the Cat Dancer, which contained explicit sex. 395 00:24:36,160 --> 00:24:39,120 Speaker 1: Those goes back fifty years, but it. 396 00:24:39,080 --> 00:24:41,520 Speaker 2: Was very small and they would need at their own 397 00:24:41,560 --> 00:24:42,800 Speaker 2: little conventions. 398 00:24:43,880 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 1: This is this is the evil of the Internet. 399 00:24:46,359 --> 00:24:53,200 Speaker 2: Now every furry obsessive who gets sexually aroused by stuffed 400 00:24:53,200 --> 00:24:56,320 Speaker 2: animals can now convene online. 401 00:24:58,960 --> 00:25:00,840 Speaker 1: The concept of furrier originated at a. 402 00:25:00,800 --> 00:25:05,400 Speaker 2: Science fiction convention in nineteen eighty when a character from 403 00:25:05,480 --> 00:25:11,560 Speaker 2: some animated drawing or some I don't know a drawing 404 00:25:12,000 --> 00:25:16,440 Speaker 2: started a discussion in science fiction novels that these characters, 405 00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:21,560 Speaker 2: these these animal characters that had human qualities. The term 406 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:28,200 Speaker 2: furry fandom started as early as nineteen eighty three. Fanzines 407 00:25:28,240 --> 00:25:35,160 Speaker 2: were printed, you know, small magazines for a very narrow audience, 408 00:25:36,960 --> 00:25:40,679 Speaker 2: and then furry fans published the fanzines, and then there 409 00:25:40,720 --> 00:25:45,000 Speaker 2: were social gatherings. The first big furry convention was in 410 00:25:45,080 --> 00:25:49,719 Speaker 2: Costa Meson at the Holiday Inn Bristol Plaza in Costa Mason, 411 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:56,280 Speaker 2: and then once the Internet happened in the nineteen nineties, 412 00:25:56,720 --> 00:26:00,359 Speaker 2: there were more and more of these groups, both vening 413 00:26:00,400 --> 00:26:03,320 Speaker 2: at conventions and then talking to each other online. There 414 00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,919 Speaker 2: was a newsgroup called aut Fan Furry. 415 00:26:07,480 --> 00:26:08,440 Speaker 1: And grown. 416 00:26:10,280 --> 00:26:12,280 Speaker 2: Men looks like I mean a lot of these seem 417 00:26:12,359 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 2: to be guys, and there's all sexual component to it. 418 00:26:20,600 --> 00:26:26,320 Speaker 2: Some organization called First Science said the percentage of self 419 00:26:26,359 --> 00:26:29,880 Speaker 2: described furries who identify as trans is twenty five times 420 00:26:29,920 --> 00:26:33,600 Speaker 2: higher than the general population, and another twenty two percent 421 00:26:33,680 --> 00:26:37,040 Speaker 2: either identify as non binary or gender queer or gender fluid, 422 00:26:38,320 --> 00:26:44,719 Speaker 2: whatever all that is. And the Minneapolis shooter that I mentioned, 423 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:50,560 Speaker 2: where he shot twenty three people, killed two kids, injured 424 00:26:50,600 --> 00:26:52,960 Speaker 2: eighteen others, so I think it was twenty one. 425 00:26:53,840 --> 00:26:56,280 Speaker 1: He had just broken up with his partner. 426 00:26:57,480 --> 00:27:02,280 Speaker 2: She was a furry Abigail Bodic, and he was sick 427 00:27:02,359 --> 00:27:07,840 Speaker 2: of her, her blue hair and her I guess nose 428 00:27:07,960 --> 00:27:16,720 Speaker 2: rings and and her furriness. I'm not spending my life 429 00:27:16,760 --> 00:27:22,000 Speaker 2: with a blue hair and pronouns now followed by a 430 00:27:22,040 --> 00:27:28,840 Speaker 2: bunch of obscenities. Yes, there are a lot of very 431 00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:33,959 Speaker 2: severely damaged people, and obviously they're ostracized. Obviously they're on 432 00:27:34,000 --> 00:27:37,400 Speaker 2: the fringe, and people are looking at this crowd going 433 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,439 Speaker 2: what the hell? And I guess they could feel angry 434 00:27:40,480 --> 00:27:42,240 Speaker 2: and disaffected. 435 00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 3: In rejects like there's so many of them, though they 436 00:27:44,080 --> 00:27:48,439 Speaker 3: convene at conventions, so they might feel ostracized from the 437 00:27:48,520 --> 00:27:51,440 Speaker 3: general public. But they have their own, their own group of. 438 00:27:52,600 --> 00:27:54,399 Speaker 1: They want their own civil rights. 439 00:27:54,400 --> 00:28:02,840 Speaker 5: Now you're listening to John Cobels on demand from KFIM. 440 00:28:01,320 --> 00:28:05,240 Speaker 2: Coming up after two o'clock. There are two stories over 441 00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:10,879 Speaker 2: the weekend with similar themes. One about Santa Monica going broke, 442 00:28:12,080 --> 00:28:15,040 Speaker 2: and the Los Angeles Times did a long story. 443 00:28:15,040 --> 00:28:16,240 Speaker 1: On how it got there. 444 00:28:16,359 --> 00:28:20,960 Speaker 2: There was one word missing, one concept missing from the story, 445 00:28:21,600 --> 00:28:26,480 Speaker 2: which is the most important reason, and it was not 446 00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,000 Speaker 2: in there. 447 00:28:27,040 --> 00:28:29,359 Speaker 1: I even did a word check and I couldn't find it. 448 00:28:32,440 --> 00:28:36,600 Speaker 2: And the second story is about Los Angeles restaurants in trouble, 449 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 2: and again the most important reason not covered. You can 450 00:28:46,280 --> 00:28:49,680 Speaker 2: guess it's fascinating. The LA Times of the New York 451 00:28:49,720 --> 00:28:56,520 Speaker 2: Times will not publicly admit the overwhelming reason that Santa 452 00:28:56,520 --> 00:29:02,800 Speaker 2: Monica is going bust and why LA restaurants are closing, 453 00:29:02,960 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 2: like you know, another virus has been released. Unbelievable. They're 454 00:29:09,640 --> 00:29:13,480 Speaker 2: such liars. We'll get to that right after Dever's news. 455 00:29:13,680 --> 00:29:15,800 Speaker 2: I only got a man in it. I just just 456 00:29:15,800 --> 00:29:19,240 Speaker 2: one more thought. Because he spent an hour partly on 457 00:29:19,400 --> 00:29:22,400 Speaker 2: the lack of security that Charlie Kirk had and partly on. 458 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:25,040 Speaker 1: This this assassin. 459 00:29:25,080 --> 00:29:30,640 Speaker 2: Tyler Robinson and his transitioning partner, and the transitioning partner 460 00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:34,719 Speaker 2: is a furry, and Robinson might have been involved in furriness, 461 00:29:34,760 --> 00:29:36,400 Speaker 2: and that that's dressing up his animals. 462 00:29:36,400 --> 00:29:37,960 Speaker 1: There's a huge sexual component. 463 00:29:38,400 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 2: It's an online All this stuff comes out of online culture. 464 00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:45,400 Speaker 2: I'm telling you, if you're a mom or a dad 465 00:29:45,520 --> 00:29:49,560 Speaker 2: and you've got a little kid, keep them away from 466 00:29:49,600 --> 00:29:53,880 Speaker 2: the Internet as long as you can be as strict 467 00:29:54,000 --> 00:30:01,120 Speaker 2: as you can be. This is such disgusting, perverted sewage 468 00:30:02,280 --> 00:30:06,520 Speaker 2: on the internet now and it and by the way, 469 00:30:06,760 --> 00:30:10,760 Speaker 2: being a good Christian doesn't cut it. These Mormon families 470 00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:13,720 Speaker 2: probably went by the book and taking their kids to 471 00:30:13,840 --> 00:30:17,560 Speaker 2: church and teaching them the commandments and godly values does 472 00:30:17,840 --> 00:30:21,160 Speaker 2: not cut It doesn't matter what you were like as 473 00:30:21,160 --> 00:30:23,920 Speaker 2: a parent, doesn't matter what your values are, doesn't matter 474 00:30:23,960 --> 00:30:26,360 Speaker 2: if you did everything right or everything wrong, if you 475 00:30:26,520 --> 00:30:31,840 Speaker 2: let your your kid online unlimited, no supervision. 476 00:30:35,040 --> 00:30:35,880 Speaker 1: More and more of this is. 477 00:30:35,840 --> 00:30:47,440 Speaker 2: Happening, radicalized politics, bizarre sexual cults like furries I I 478 00:30:47,200 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 2: and it's just it's it's it's unbelievable. And that that 479 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:58,280 Speaker 2: little thing that they walk around staring at all day 480 00:30:58,280 --> 00:31:01,800 Speaker 2: in their hand, that stupid phone or their iPad or 481 00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:09,600 Speaker 2: their desktop or your desktop. That thing destroys brains. It's 482 00:31:09,640 --> 00:31:14,800 Speaker 2: a horrible, horrible infection that ruins your kids' personalities, gets 483 00:31:14,800 --> 00:31:19,800 Speaker 2: them obsessed with all kinds of incomprehensible nonsense. I don't 484 00:31:19,800 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 2: have a solution for it except keep it away from 485 00:31:23,520 --> 00:31:26,480 Speaker 2: them as much as you can, as long as you can, 486 00:31:27,480 --> 00:31:32,120 Speaker 2: because the more they do other things, the much better 487 00:31:32,840 --> 00:31:39,480 Speaker 2: their minds will be and their emotional development just is 488 00:31:40,240 --> 00:31:42,400 Speaker 2: I didn't really have to deal with this. 489 00:31:44,080 --> 00:31:44,840 Speaker 1: The generation will. 490 00:31:44,880 --> 00:31:46,960 Speaker 2: Deborah and I have kids about the same age, and 491 00:31:47,160 --> 00:31:48,120 Speaker 2: we just missed this. 492 00:31:48,440 --> 00:31:49,320 Speaker 3: I'm so glad. 493 00:31:49,400 --> 00:31:50,360 Speaker 1: I am so glad too. 494 00:31:50,400 --> 00:31:53,640 Speaker 2: I would not want to be a parent of kids 495 00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 2: over the last ten twelve years who are just passing 496 00:31:57,560 --> 00:32:00,479 Speaker 2: out of elementary school through high school. All my god, 497 00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,040 Speaker 2: I can't believe what I'm seeing and reading. We'll be 498 00:32:04,120 --> 00:32:05,800 Speaker 2: talking a lot about this kind of stuff, I think, 499 00:32:05,840 --> 00:32:08,680 Speaker 2: for quite a while, because there's a whole generation that's 500 00:32:08,720 --> 00:32:13,040 Speaker 2: had their minds destroyed by this nonsense. Let's go to 501 00:32:13,080 --> 00:32:15,400 Speaker 2: Deborah mark Lyve in the Canfi twenty for our newsroom