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Speaker 1: King Slime is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Heirloom Media.

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Speaker 2: I just remember this kid walking up to me and

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Speaker 2: he had a gun to my head, and I just

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Speaker 2: remember him saying, give me the keys.

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Speaker 3: So I gave him my keys.

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Speaker 4: Jeffrey Williams was not.

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Speaker 3: At your car holding a gun to you, under the.

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Speaker 5: Ease and correct. That's correct.

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Speaker 6: You have no reason to tell this jur You know

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Speaker 6: personal knowledge that Jeffrey Williams was in.

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Speaker 4: Any form of fashion involved with your car jacking on

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Speaker 4: that day.

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Speaker 5: True, that's correct. Now, in your knowledge, training and experience,

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Speaker 5: could someone who was false claiming to be a blood

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Speaker 5: be able to be in the presence of all these

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Speaker 5: other bloods.

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Speaker 3: And still be able to throw up symbols and throw

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Speaker 3: up handsigns. No, they would not watch it.

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Speaker 1: In game world, someone in false claiming would be so

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Speaker 1: tom like the immediate and physical palm or violence for false.

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Speaker 5: Playing the game.

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Speaker 1: I'm George Cheny and I'm Christina Lee and this is

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Speaker 1: King Slime. Okay, so we are back to recap day's

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Speaker 1: twenty five through twenty nine of the Ysel trial, and

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Speaker 1: joining us per usual is our executive producer, Tommy Andres.

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Speaker 5: Gues Thanks for having me back, and we.

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Speaker 1: Are also honored to have a very special guest here

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Speaker 1: on this episode. We have a Lana native music industry

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Speaker 1: vet and co host of The Big Facts podcast. Yes,

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Speaker 1: we're all shedding tears, Baby Jade, Hey, Baby j.

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Speaker 3: I am in turn duly honored to be here. Oh

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Speaker 3: my goodness.

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Speaker 1: What is your connection to Young Thug in this trial?

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Speaker 3: Well, I've known.

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Speaker 4: Theug for a very very very long time actually since

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Speaker 4: like before he started rapping, and I've been blessed enough

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Speaker 4: to be able to be involved in his musical career

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Speaker 4: and you know, like a lot of things that he

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Speaker 4: you know a lot of community things that he's been

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Speaker 4: doing over the years since he started rapping. And he's

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Speaker 4: a he's a very very very very very good friend

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Speaker 1: Okay, got you, got you. We're so excited to have

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Speaker 1: you here with your free Jeffrey hoodie that you have

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Speaker 1: made yourself right.

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Speaker 3: Yes, Okay, we have so.

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Speaker 1: Much that we need to talk about, and so it's

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Speaker 1: getting to to have your expertise.

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Speaker 3: Let's get into it, all right.

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Speaker 1: So first we got to review what's been going on

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Speaker 1: in this trial. So the prosecution has been spending most

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Speaker 1: of the couple of weeks, you know, just trying to

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Speaker 1: establish that YSL is a gang. We've talked about this

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Speaker 1: burden of proof that they have, but the three cardterier

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Speaker 1: is of the following. They have to show that YSL

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Speaker 1: is a gang, that the defendants are part of this gang,

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Speaker 1: and that they're committing crime in furtherance of this gang. Right,

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Speaker 1: and so all this begins with testimony from a woman

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Speaker 1: named Terabia Hill's. Rabia Hill says that in May of

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Speaker 1: twenty sixteen, she was carjacked in the parking lot of

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Speaker 2: I just remember this kid walking up to me and

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Speaker 5: It's still there, And I.

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Speaker 3: Just remember him saying, you your.

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Speaker 5: Keys, So I gave him my keys.

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Speaker 1: So all this is like super traumatic for her. She

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Speaker 1: being y Cel defendant Christian Eppinger. Right when it comes

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Speaker 1: This is concerning Christian Ebinger, one of the ysel defendants.

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Speaker 1: Where is Christian Eppinger in this room? So, George, what

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Speaker 6: First of all, So Christian Eppinger has had a long,

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Speaker 6: I mean, he was arrested, but not before he shot

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Speaker 6: he was in some sort of illicit relationship with a

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Speaker 6: social media while he was in the courtroom. He's and

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Speaker 6: he's combative in jail, at least according to jail records.

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Speaker 6: He tends to not be a person who deals with

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Speaker 6: they have between apercher like Eperger asking young thug do

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Speaker 6: I have a green light to go after Luci again?

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Speaker 6: So that's where he is in the case. That's how

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Speaker 5: Here's my question, though, If they have that communication, supposedly

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Speaker 5: we've heard about that before, obviously we talked about in

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Speaker 5: why did they bring the woman who I mean, he

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Speaker 5: was convicted of this crime, So why do they bring

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Speaker 6: Why are crime?

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Speaker 2: Because I hate I have to tell her about this.

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Speaker 1: I had out to be here and I had out

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Speaker 2: I thought it was something once it was done, I'd

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Speaker 3: Feel like it's real.

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Speaker 5: How are they trying to tie upinger to why I

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Speaker 6: So I think part of this is because it's been

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Speaker 6: them in jail. But they're are like, I mean, a

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Speaker 6: you know, doing it because they were getting paid for it.

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Speaker 6: So here's here's a victim, like and this is a

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Speaker 6: who are getting hurt. While all of this this wasn't

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but I me personally with situations like that and

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Speaker 4: like the relevance of it is kind of nonexistent because.

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Speaker 3: You're trying to.

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Speaker 4: Tie a crime that an individual did on their own

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Speaker 3: The connection is super thin. For lack of a better

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Speaker 6: It, I get it, Like I imagine that they're trying

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Speaker 6: extraneous nonsense and not you know.

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Speaker 3: Actual evidence.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, show me the money.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, the profit would say, show me the cap shit.

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Speaker 1: I mean to your to your point, Jade, the way

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Speaker 1: this isolated incident comes pretty shortly after that. It's through

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Speaker 1: several dozen social media posts. They refurther at all as tweets,

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Speaker 1: to for example, how Christian Epinger's display name on Facebook

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Speaker 4: But I can show you a kid from Japan that

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Speaker 4: theug whose name is ysl oco. Mm so does that

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Speaker 4: make them ysl too? Should they be on trial with

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Speaker 3: You know? Like it's crazy, Yeah, it's crazy.

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Speaker 1: They run through pretty much like the whole gimmut we're

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Speaker 1: that the hashtag ESPN apparently stands for every slime play nasty.

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Speaker 5: What's the date of this post twenty fifteen?

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Speaker 3: And is there a caption there is? What? What is

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Speaker 5: It says living life bro, I'm happy hashtag ESPN. Have

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Speaker 4: And have you seen that associated with individuals and members

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Speaker 3: Knowledge, when it's been associated with. So what does esp

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Speaker 5: It stands for every slime.

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Speaker 1: Play massy, But I can I'm trying to imagine from

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Speaker 4: And speaking not to cut you off, but speaking even

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Speaker 4: about the Detective bell Knapp situation, I was confused because

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Speaker 3: He was started.

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Speaker 4: He started the trial being an expert witness, and then

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Speaker 4: beginning of the trial when they said the president, they

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Speaker 4: said that it has to be either or like, you

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Speaker 3: That makes no sense. Absolutely, So I don't know.

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Speaker 6: I saw a Bell nap yesterday at the courthouse. I've

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Speaker 1: How often has social media come up in prior gang investigations?

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Speaker 6: Time, at least over the last five or ten years.

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Speaker 5: So to me, that sort of makes everything else irrelevant,

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and then even like with the hand signs and

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Speaker 1: And it's interesting because, like with all of this discussion

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Speaker 1: Their rival gang ABG has a hawk logo that they

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Speaker 3: As you can see on.

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Speaker 1: The cover of this there's a hawk skull with a

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 4: ABG and okay, so not to cut you off again, please,

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Speaker 4: Going back into the context of this whole thing, around

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Speaker 4: that particular cover because it represented both thug in both

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Speaker 6: Did you do.

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Speaker 5: Anything to find out whether that egle represents the performer

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Speaker 1: When we discussed this as term in terms of the context.

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Speaker 5: I provided the content of what I and the investigators

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Speaker 6: The street outside of just these suites and this music,

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Speaker 3: A gang war between those two rival gangs.

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Speaker 1: And as I've stated, seeing similar artwork in reverse.

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Speaker 1: I think it provides additional context to this image that's

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Speaker 3: It doesn't have anything to do with any gang thing.

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Speaker 4: Two symbols that were representative popular the most popular representation

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Speaker 6: So hearing this, I am thinking as a listener, how

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Speaker 2: What?

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Speaker 6: So give us a little more of your background here.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I primarily sell cigarettes in a bathroom in Magic

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Speaker 3: Yes?

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Speaker 4: Like ever since, I've been consulting with major labels, doing

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Speaker 4: And then I pulled up my share and like I've

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Speaker 1: So given all your experience just behind the scenes, behind

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Speaker 3: I was there that day.

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Speaker 4: continues to do it without the notoriety and the publicity.

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Speaker 5: Let's take a break and we'll be right back. Welcome

444
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Speaker 5: back to King Slime. We're joined here by Baby Jade,

445
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,199
Speaker 5: the host of The Big Facts podcast and also a

446
00:25:55,920 --> 00:25:58,760
Speaker 5: just an expert all around on hip hop in Atlanta

447
00:25:59,040 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 5: and life here. And you know, I want to start

448
00:26:03,320 --> 00:26:06,600
Speaker 5: by just asking you what does the word gang mean

449
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Speaker 5: to you as somebody who's been watching this trial and

450
00:26:09,720 --> 00:26:12,480
Speaker 5: also grew up in Atlanta and you know, has had

451
00:26:12,520 --> 00:26:15,520
Speaker 5: so much experience sort of in this world that is

452
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Speaker 5: involved in this trial.

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Speaker 4: M Gang to me, honestly, just kind of means like

454
00:26:24,359 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 4: a group of friends. Like because a lot of people,

455
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Speaker 4: a lot of people call themselves a gang or say gang,

456
00:26:33,440 --> 00:26:36,679
Speaker 4: and they don't mean like a criminal enterprise. They just

457
00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:39,560
Speaker 4: mean like these are my friends, these are my homies,

458
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Speaker 4: Like we're a group.

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Speaker 3: So to me, like gang really just means group.

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Speaker 4: Because as far as like Atlanta is concerned, in my

461
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Speaker 4: personal opinion, gang culture didn't really become prevalent until recently

462
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Speaker 4: because Atlanta was really pretty much divided by like the

463
00:27:01,840 --> 00:27:05,720
Speaker 4: zones and the neighborhoods. Like it wasn't like bloods and

464
00:27:05,760 --> 00:27:09,920
Speaker 4: crips and vice lords or whatever the fuck. Like it was, Okay,

465
00:27:09,960 --> 00:27:11,280
Speaker 4: you were from the west Side, or you were from

466
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Speaker 4: the East Side, or you were from Zone one or

467
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Speaker 4: Zone six, or you know, you were from this neighborhood,

468
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Speaker 4: or you were from the Bluff, or you were from

469
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Speaker 4: fucking Mechanicsville or Pittsburgh or you know, like wherever. Like

470
00:27:23,520 --> 00:27:26,280
Speaker 4: that's how Atlanta like separated themselves. And if there was

471
00:27:26,320 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 4: any type of beef for altercation or whatever, then it

472
00:27:30,800 --> 00:27:33,359
Speaker 4: was called out based upon like the neighborhood or the

473
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Speaker 4: side of town or the zone, not a color for

474
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Speaker 4: lack of a better way to put it.

475
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Speaker 5: So, what do you think about obviously being in a gang,

476
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Speaker 5: As we've said a hundred times on the show, it's

477
00:27:44,320 --> 00:27:47,159
Speaker 5: not illegal, but all right, it's these three things that

478
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:49,639
Speaker 5: have to be proven in order for you to be

479
00:27:50,240 --> 00:27:52,480
Speaker 5: to be convicted of a crime, or at least those

480
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Speaker 5: three things should be meant for you to be convicted

481
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Speaker 5: of a crime. But do you think, I mean, I'm

482
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Speaker 5: just going to ask you straight up, do you think

483
00:27:59,040 --> 00:28:01,119
Speaker 5: why a cell is a gang the way that the

484
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Speaker 5: prosecution is claiming they are.

485
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Speaker 3: No, I don't.

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Speaker 5: Anything more you want to add, Yeah, because.

487
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Speaker 4: I'm trying to see how to say this based upon

488
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Speaker 4: the evidence that they're presenting.

489
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Speaker 3: The people.

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Speaker 4: That they are, well, some of the people that they

491
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Speaker 4: are accusing of this furtherance, in my personal opinion, are

492
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Speaker 4: not furthering.

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Speaker 3: For lack of a better way to kind of put it.

494
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Speaker 4: And I don't know, I guess we'll just have to

495
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Speaker 4: see how this all plays out. But this, this is

496
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Speaker 4: this Hall situation is just really interesting.

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Speaker 6: I think I see where you're going with that, because

498
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Speaker 6: we're talking about Christian Eppinger. Before the break, Christian Eppinger

499
00:29:10,320 --> 00:29:15,840
Speaker 6: was convicted of an armed robbery, a carjacking, and okay,

500
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Speaker 6: like Andy did time for it. Like the question here

501
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,960
Speaker 6: is was that an act in furtherance of the gang?

502
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Speaker 6: Can Can a man not be left to carjack in

503
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Speaker 6: peace without dragging his friends into it? If you get me?

504
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Speaker 5: Well, they never came back to that question today.

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Speaker 3: I mean they didn't.

506
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Speaker 5: They didn't come back to whether it was typed.

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Speaker 1: I think I believe the defense at least said like

508
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Speaker 1: where was this ever brought up to the attention of

509
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Speaker 1: gang investigators. That's probably as far as they went, right.

510
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Speaker 6: And you know, I don't know if I don't have

511
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Speaker 6: the answer to that, and it's an important answer among

512
00:29:52,000 --> 00:29:54,200
Speaker 6: other things. Like as we were talking with the police

513
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Speaker 6: department and with the uh the gang investigation unit at

514
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Speaker 6: the District Attorney's office, one of the things they said

515
00:30:02,840 --> 00:30:06,400
Speaker 6: is that only up until a few years ago, the

516
00:30:06,440 --> 00:30:10,640
Speaker 6: police department really didn't investigate gang stuff in like a

517
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Speaker 6: really deep way. They like, each individual crime would be

518
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Speaker 6: investigated on its merits without a whole lot of effort

519
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Speaker 6: being put into Okay, this was a gang crime with

520
00:30:22,840 --> 00:30:29,160
Speaker 6: this gang. You know, in twenty sixteen, maybe twenty five

521
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Speaker 6: percent of cases that the District Attorney's office would have

522
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Speaker 6: actually brought as a gang investigation actually started with some

523
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,680
Speaker 6: police officer writing on a piece of paper gang stuff.

524
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Speaker 6: And now it's more like sixty or seventy percent, like

525
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Speaker 6: because there's been all of this training where the District

526
00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,440
Speaker 6: Attorney's officers said, hey, cops, if you see gang stuff,

527
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Speaker 6: put it on the paper so that we have some evidence,

528
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Speaker 6: so that in a moment like this, we're not asking

529
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Speaker 6: questions was this investigation and then cut to break well.

530
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Speaker 5: So what was interesting with the Epinger thing was I

531
00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:07,360
Speaker 5: kept waiting for them. They said, okay, he was one

532
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Speaker 5: of four people in the car. Right there was the

533
00:31:10,080 --> 00:31:11,680
Speaker 5: he he came up and put a gun to her

534
00:31:11,720 --> 00:31:15,040
Speaker 5: head and demanded her car, and then an older person

535
00:31:15,160 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 5: came up to her and pointed a gun at her

536
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:20,520
Speaker 5: and asked for her purse. So I'm listening to this

537
00:31:20,560 --> 00:31:23,720
Speaker 5: whole thing, and what I'm thinking the whole time is, Okay,

538
00:31:23,760 --> 00:31:26,160
Speaker 5: these other three people in the car are going to

539
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:29,080
Speaker 5: be other YSEL members, and that's how they're deciding. That's

540
00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:31,600
Speaker 5: how they're going to prove that this exactly ill. But

541
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Speaker 5: they never did that. And they did that, I don't

542
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Speaker 5: even did they even reveal the other three identities.

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Speaker 1: So the other three.

544
00:31:36,840 --> 00:31:40,360
Speaker 5: People in the car, I mean, And so I was confused.

545
00:31:40,360 --> 00:31:42,760
Speaker 5: And so if I'm sitting there's a juror, I mean,

546
00:31:42,760 --> 00:31:44,240
Speaker 5: I'm just trying to put my jur hat on. But

547
00:31:44,240 --> 00:31:46,920
Speaker 5: if I'm sitting there's a jur being like, Okay, I'm

548
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 5: following this, I get it. I get it, and then

549
00:31:49,360 --> 00:31:52,360
Speaker 5: that doesn't it doesn't check that final box. I'm like,

550
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:55,640
Speaker 5: how am I going to. I mean, you have to

551
00:31:55,680 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 5: prove this over beyond a reasonable doubt. You're not giving

552
00:31:58,480 --> 00:32:02,080
Speaker 5: me the tools I need to be swayed and that that,

553
00:32:02,160 --> 00:32:02,400
Speaker 5: you know.

554
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Speaker 6: I mean, no, maybe they get to it later.

555
00:32:04,440 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 5: Maybe they get to it later. But that's the thing

556
00:32:06,120 --> 00:32:08,160
Speaker 5: with this that's the thing that I think is so

557
00:32:08,240 --> 00:32:10,880
Speaker 5: tricky with this trial. It's like this, when are they

558
00:32:10,920 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 5: going to start doing it?

559
00:32:13,440 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's like major breakdowns and communication, Like they'll

560
00:32:16,600 --> 00:32:19,080
Speaker 4: go to this one thing and then they'll leave it

561
00:32:19,120 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 4: for two weeks and then try to circle back around

562
00:32:21,480 --> 00:32:25,320
Speaker 4: to it after it's cold and frozen again, and it's

563
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Speaker 4: kind of like it is really kind of like you're

564
00:32:29,880 --> 00:32:33,040
Speaker 4: starting fresh with somebody with no memory because it's been

565
00:32:33,160 --> 00:32:36,760
Speaker 4: so many things that have transpired in between until it's

566
00:32:36,840 --> 00:32:39,440
Speaker 4: like what was It's like there's no continuity.

567
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Speaker 3: And I think that that is another.

568
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Speaker 4: Interesting thing or tactic by the prosecution.

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Speaker 5: I mean, if I'm a Jerry and I'm sitting there

570
00:32:51,680 --> 00:32:54,120
Speaker 5: for three hours listening to this story about this woman

571
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,720
Speaker 5: being carjacked, and then you know, we hear all the

572
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,360
Speaker 5: details we hear here left with a cliffhanger. Yeah, but

573
00:33:00,440 --> 00:33:05,040
Speaker 5: then I'm never satisfied with with that, and you're right

574
00:33:05,080 --> 00:33:09,200
Speaker 5: if it comes in ten days, two weeks, three weeks, whatever.

575
00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:12,320
Speaker 5: The whole point of bringing that woman on the stand

576
00:33:12,360 --> 00:33:14,600
Speaker 5: is to have the jury have that emotional connection as

577
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,920
Speaker 5: you talked about, George, that's gone in three weeks when

578
00:33:17,920 --> 00:33:20,360
Speaker 5: we finally get to the supposed you know, the the

579
00:33:20,520 --> 00:33:22,880
Speaker 5: tying up the loose end of that. So I'm just

580
00:33:22,960 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 5: confused by the tactics as I watched this. Obviously I'm

581
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Speaker 5: no lawyer, but as a lay person who could be

582
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Speaker 5: a juror, I actually have jury duty next week. Like,

583
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Speaker 5: I'm just like, what is this thing?

584
00:33:33,440 --> 00:33:36,160
Speaker 4: Anybody that watches Law and Order has enough common sense

585
00:33:36,200 --> 00:33:40,360
Speaker 4: to understand that this is.

586
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Speaker 3: Not really the way.

587
00:33:45,440 --> 00:33:47,280
Speaker 6: Well, this is not law, but the law is not

588
00:33:47,360 --> 00:33:47,960
Speaker 6: Law and Order.

589
00:33:50,240 --> 00:33:52,040
Speaker 5: We talk about it a.

590
00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:54,720
Speaker 6: Defense attorney many many years ago, and she's a hate

591
00:33:54,800 --> 00:33:55,520
Speaker 6: Law and Orders.

592
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Speaker 1: Oh it's not like how it is on TV. I mean,

593
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Speaker 1: these are all really interesting points because I guess, like

594
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Speaker 1: from the perspective of how everything is playing out, I

595
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 1: guess like all these social media posts are I guess,

596
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,560
Speaker 1: being brought up as a logical conclusion or the logical

597
00:34:11,680 --> 00:34:15,560
Speaker 1: next step to figure out whether this person Christian Eppinger

598
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:19,400
Speaker 1: is part of this gang conspiracy, and I wonder if

599
00:34:19,560 --> 00:34:22,799
Speaker 1: the social media portion is also supposed to compensate. I

600
00:34:22,840 --> 00:34:26,840
Speaker 1: guess for looking at these incidents in retrospect, because George

601
00:34:26,880 --> 00:34:29,000
Speaker 1: you talked about how like gang training is only really

602
00:34:29,120 --> 00:34:31,239
Speaker 1: ramped up in the past couple of years, and so like,

603
00:34:31,719 --> 00:34:34,719
Speaker 1: if the evidence isn't there, as in like you know,

604
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:37,359
Speaker 1: the law and order type shit, is this all they

605
00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:38,400
Speaker 1: have to bank on?

606
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Speaker 3: Is it is.

607
00:34:39,719 --> 00:34:43,759
Speaker 1: Tweets and vlogs for lack of a better word, all

608
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Speaker 1: that they have to rely on in order to draw

609
00:34:46,080 --> 00:34:48,160
Speaker 1: these larger conspiracy connections.

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Speaker 3: I would like to.

611
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Speaker 4: Imagine because my thing is, and I hate I'm not

612
00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:59,680
Speaker 4: referring to law and order again, but usually, like in

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Speaker 4: a you come out with a bang, like you start

614
00:35:05,120 --> 00:35:10,800
Speaker 4: off with and you lead with the fucking no brainer,

615
00:35:10,920 --> 00:35:14,200
Speaker 4: hands down, slam dunk, and then go from there and

616
00:35:14,200 --> 00:35:17,920
Speaker 4: work your way backwards and plant the seeds to this

617
00:35:18,040 --> 00:35:21,080
Speaker 4: killer piece of evidence that basically sealed the deal from

618
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:27,800
Speaker 4: the beginning. But if the lead off is the Instagram

619
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Speaker 4: post and the tweets, then what else could be? What

620
00:35:32,520 --> 00:35:34,680
Speaker 4: else could this? What else could follow this up?

621
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Speaker 3: Yeah?

622
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Speaker 4: Because this would in a regular person's mind be a

623
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Speaker 4: follow up to something bigger. So if you're leading off

624
00:35:43,239 --> 00:35:46,879
Speaker 4: with the follow up, then what like, what else could

625
00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:47,640
Speaker 4: you possibly have?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, you know what's really interesting is that at the

627
00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:52,799
Speaker 1: beginning of the trial, I guess prosecutors let off with

628
00:35:52,880 --> 00:35:55,840
Speaker 1: the murder of Donnovan Thomas, which everybody says the domino

629
00:35:56,160 --> 00:35:59,160
Speaker 1: that kind of set everything off, right, And so in

630
00:35:59,239 --> 00:36:02,319
Speaker 1: the beginning, like we're being presented with this is like,

631
00:36:02,440 --> 00:36:05,000
Speaker 1: this is the this was the turning point, and everything

632
00:36:05,640 --> 00:36:08,840
Speaker 1: pretty much since then. The only other references that we've

633
00:36:09,400 --> 00:36:12,840
Speaker 1: even made back to Donovan Thomas are through like the

634
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,279
Speaker 1: social media posts. So even over the past couple of

635
00:36:15,320 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: days or whatever, to bring back up super slimy. When

636
00:36:18,280 --> 00:36:21,000
Speaker 1: Detective bell Nap is like, hey, but listen, there's there's

637
00:36:21,000 --> 00:36:24,520
Speaker 1: something to this hawk theory, right, they bring up once

638
00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:27,840
Speaker 1: again like a social media post. It's literally if somebody

639
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:30,720
Speaker 1: wearing a jacket that spells out the word nut life

640
00:36:30,719 --> 00:36:34,440
Speaker 1: in the back, and then there is a bird emoji,

641
00:36:34,520 --> 00:36:36,759
Speaker 1: we don't know what kind a bird emoji, grabbing a

642
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 1: snake emoji on top of it. That's all we have

643
00:36:38,880 --> 00:36:42,239
Speaker 1: to work on. Versus to your point, Jade, like I thought,

644
00:36:42,239 --> 00:36:45,040
Speaker 1: we were going to get into, you know, who was

645
00:36:45,120 --> 00:36:48,400
Speaker 1: responsible for renting the car, who is responsible for shooting

646
00:36:48,440 --> 00:36:50,799
Speaker 1: and things like that. But this is what we're having

647
00:36:50,880 --> 00:36:55,960
Speaker 1: to deal with right now, and uh, I'm not sure

648
00:36:56,400 --> 00:36:59,320
Speaker 1: like to like, we just have questions. We just have questions.

649
00:37:00,080 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: There was even videos also being presented about like that

650
00:37:06,040 --> 00:37:10,520
Speaker 1: we're supposedly depicting YSL operating as a gang. We're talking

651
00:37:10,560 --> 00:37:13,960
Speaker 1: about videos dating back through two thousand and nine. You know,

652
00:37:14,160 --> 00:37:17,000
Speaker 1: we have Young Thug before he was even known as

653
00:37:17,040 --> 00:37:19,520
Speaker 1: Young Thug, when he was called Little Jeff two thousand

654
00:37:19,560 --> 00:37:21,360
Speaker 1: and nine. You know, he's hang out at a parking

655
00:37:21,400 --> 00:37:23,879
Speaker 1: lot with his friends, wearing the red varsity jacket, white

656
00:37:23,920 --> 00:37:31,359
Speaker 1: boy swagon, white boy swagone.

657
00:37:29,160 --> 00:37:30,640
Speaker 3: Right, No, you's not a white talent.

658
00:37:34,560 --> 00:37:35,640
Speaker 5: You know, that's the video on the show.

659
00:37:35,719 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is something that detected Bella Nap has to reference.

660
00:37:39,120 --> 00:37:42,960
Speaker 1: And then there's even a video from twenty fourteen where

661
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Speaker 1: uh it promises to go behind the scenes in the

662
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Speaker 1: making of Young Thugs Danny Glover, but then prior to that,

663
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Speaker 1: it just shows him hanging out I think on like

664
00:37:53,320 --> 00:37:55,440
Speaker 1: the deck, but on the back of somebody's house. Do

665
00:37:55,480 --> 00:37:57,719
Speaker 1: you remember this? It was like he's hanging out, he's

666
00:37:57,719 --> 00:38:00,239
Speaker 1: walking onto the deck, and then there's just like a

667
00:38:00,239 --> 00:38:02,400
Speaker 1: whole bunch of people hanging out and they're throwing up

668
00:38:02,440 --> 00:38:05,040
Speaker 1: hand signs. They got a baby to throw up a

669
00:38:05,040 --> 00:38:08,280
Speaker 1: hand sign as well. But then that's kind of it.

670
00:38:08,280 --> 00:38:10,359
Speaker 1: That's kind of it. There's there are guns, there are

671
00:38:10,360 --> 00:38:13,040
Speaker 1: hand signs, But other than that, that's kind of where

672
00:38:13,080 --> 00:38:16,840
Speaker 1: the video is sort of with your all your background,

673
00:38:17,120 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: like working in the music industry, taking in the tweets

674
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:23,600
Speaker 1: and like seeing like what's being presented like as evidence,

675
00:38:23,760 --> 00:38:26,040
Speaker 1: Like what's your take on this, especially as you're seeing

676
00:38:26,440 --> 00:38:29,319
Speaker 1: you know, detectives like dissecting it, like what what's going

677
00:38:29,360 --> 00:38:30,719
Speaker 1: through your mind as you're seeing all this.

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Speaker 4: I just I think that that there is a humongous,

679
00:38:38,680 --> 00:38:42,120
Speaker 4: ginormous breakdown in.

680
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:46,640
Speaker 3: Context because.

681
00:38:48,040 --> 00:38:53,280
Speaker 4: The detectives and the people that are hired to study.

682
00:38:52,960 --> 00:38:54,120
Speaker 3: These things.

683
00:38:55,719 --> 00:38:59,840
Speaker 4: Have definitely amassed a wealth of knowledge about you know,

684
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:04,880
Speaker 4: old street things, gang things, whatever, whatever. But at the

685
00:39:04,960 --> 00:39:08,200
Speaker 4: end of the day, there's still a lot left to

686
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:12,399
Speaker 4: the imagination when it comes to these artists and their creativity.

687
00:39:13,160 --> 00:39:15,799
Speaker 4: And I believe that's where the breakdown is coming in

688
00:39:15,840 --> 00:39:20,840
Speaker 4: at because you can take what you know about gangs

689
00:39:20,880 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 4: and what you know about street criminals and all that

690
00:39:25,040 --> 00:39:28,400
Speaker 4: kind of thing, and look at one thing one way.

691
00:39:28,600 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 3: But when you're dealing with someone.

692
00:39:31,280 --> 00:39:36,200
Speaker 4: Who's basically basically whose job is to create and to

693
00:39:37,840 --> 00:39:42,960
Speaker 4: you know, make their money off of things that are

694
00:39:43,040 --> 00:39:47,040
Speaker 4: gonna make them popular and draw people into who they

695
00:39:47,040 --> 00:39:48,839
Speaker 4: are as a person and as an artist and as

696
00:39:48,880 --> 00:39:54,400
Speaker 4: a public figure, a lot can get lost in translation.

697
00:39:55,200 --> 00:39:58,280
Speaker 4: And I think that's what is going on here because,

698
00:39:59,600 --> 00:40:02,759
Speaker 4: like I said, these people have expert knowledge, not taking

699
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:06,799
Speaker 4: anything away from them, but the expert knowledge doesn't meet

700
00:40:06,840 --> 00:40:12,280
Speaker 4: in the middle where these artists and these other people

701
00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:16,000
Speaker 4: are using their creativity to come up with something that

702
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Speaker 4: would I guess describe themselves in a creative manner. And

703
00:40:23,480 --> 00:40:26,200
Speaker 4: that's kind of it's kind of tricky in it's also

704
00:40:26,320 --> 00:40:27,320
Speaker 4: very dangerous.

705
00:40:28,080 --> 00:40:31,080
Speaker 6: I'm wondering to what degree what we're seeing in court

706
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,560
Speaker 6: creates a chilling effect in the community among artists, Like

707
00:40:34,640 --> 00:40:36,520
Speaker 6: how is this changing behavior? Do you think?

708
00:40:37,600 --> 00:40:40,880
Speaker 4: I think that it's definitely making a lot of people think.

709
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:44,000
Speaker 4: But at the end of the day, I feel like

710
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:51,520
Speaker 4: it has the power to hinder the creativity to a

711
00:40:51,560 --> 00:40:58,840
Speaker 4: certain extent, because if you're not able, most rappers capitalize

712
00:40:58,880 --> 00:41:02,680
Speaker 4: off of either the things that they've been through actually

713
00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:07,640
Speaker 4: personally or things that they've seen in their surroundings. So

714
00:41:08,760 --> 00:41:11,759
Speaker 4: if you are, like you said, a twenty year old

715
00:41:11,840 --> 00:41:15,880
Speaker 4: kid and you're trying to find your way out by

716
00:41:16,520 --> 00:41:19,200
Speaker 4: doing the rap thing and making trying to make millions

717
00:41:19,200 --> 00:41:24,080
Speaker 4: of dollars or whatever, and your claim to fame is

718
00:41:24,120 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 4: going to be how you're going to speak to the

719
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,560
Speaker 4: things that you've seen and the things that you've been

720
00:41:30,640 --> 00:41:33,480
Speaker 4: through so that other people can relate and buy your music.

721
00:41:34,040 --> 00:41:37,040
Speaker 4: But if you on the on the flip side of it,

722
00:41:37,080 --> 00:41:39,480
Speaker 4: if you do speak to these things, and you do

723
00:41:39,560 --> 00:41:41,799
Speaker 4: speak to the things that you've been through and the

724
00:41:41,800 --> 00:41:46,440
Speaker 4: things that you've seen, and it could possibly get you

725
00:41:46,480 --> 00:41:49,000
Speaker 4: in legal trouble, or it could possibly get you indicted

726
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 4: and take you away from your family or put you

727
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:54,520
Speaker 4: in a position where you have to try to get

728
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,160
Speaker 4: money for lawyer fees that you haven't even made yet.

729
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,160
Speaker 4: You know it's going to make people kind of think

730
00:41:59,200 --> 00:42:02,160
Speaker 4: twice about speaking on certain things. But at the end

731
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:05,680
Speaker 4: of the day, it's kind of like, where is the

732
00:42:05,680 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 4: Fifth Amendment in all of this, Because you should be

733
00:42:09,239 --> 00:42:11,520
Speaker 4: able to speak freely about whatever it is that you

734
00:42:11,600 --> 00:42:15,360
Speaker 4: choose to speak freely about without it being used against

735
00:42:15,400 --> 00:42:21,520
Speaker 4: you if there's no basis of something illegal being done.

736
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Speaker 6: I'm good.

737
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:28,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely there's I guess. Speaking of that,

738
00:42:29,360 --> 00:42:31,960
Speaker 1: there was an interesting point that was brought up by

739
00:42:32,000 --> 00:42:35,920
Speaker 1: the defense right while viewing one of these videos. You know,

740
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: Detective Bounce Up is identifying folks, even folks who aren't

741
00:42:38,760 --> 00:42:40,640
Speaker 1: part of this indictment, but yeah, it believes to be

742
00:42:40,680 --> 00:42:43,719
Speaker 1: part of a lot of that going on. And one

743
00:42:43,719 --> 00:42:47,920
Speaker 1: of these folks wraps under the name Oliplayer. And what

744
00:42:48,000 --> 00:42:50,000
Speaker 1: was interesting is that when defense reviewed it, I think

745
00:42:50,000 --> 00:42:52,920
Speaker 1: it was specifically defense attorney Max Shirt, he was like,

746
00:42:53,160 --> 00:42:57,120
Speaker 1: didn't you hear Oli Player describe himself as King Slime

747
00:42:57,440 --> 00:42:59,960
Speaker 1: in one of those videos? And we have to add

748
00:43:00,000 --> 00:43:02,160
Speaker 1: that because it's the name of our show. You know,

749
00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,840
Speaker 1: prosecution has said Young Thug is the King Slime, But

750
00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,120
Speaker 1: what do you know about the origins of that?

751
00:43:08,760 --> 00:43:14,960
Speaker 4: I guess in environment, I mean it's a loosely used term,

752
00:43:15,960 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 4: like in the hood, because everybody wants to be because okay,

753
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:26,440
Speaker 4: technically king slime is like the King snake, and to

754
00:43:27,760 --> 00:43:31,320
Speaker 4: a lot of people that don't have an overt understanding

755
00:43:31,360 --> 00:43:33,879
Speaker 4: of nature. The snake to them is at the top

756
00:43:33,880 --> 00:43:37,720
Speaker 4: of the food chain, and every guy in the hood

757
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,120
Speaker 4: wants to be the big dog or wants to be

758
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:42,680
Speaker 4: at the top of the food chain. So a lot

759
00:43:42,680 --> 00:43:46,719
Speaker 4: of people call themselves that kind of sort of like

760
00:43:46,760 --> 00:43:50,359
Speaker 4: a self fulfilling prophecy, like if I'm not already, I'm

761
00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:52,279
Speaker 4: gonna be the big dog at the top of the

762
00:43:52,280 --> 00:43:56,279
Speaker 4: food chain type thing. So it's kind of yeah, it's

763
00:43:56,360 --> 00:44:02,400
Speaker 4: kind of like trying to make Jeff the one and

764
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,200
Speaker 4: only premier King Slime is is going to be kind

765
00:44:06,239 --> 00:44:09,680
Speaker 4: of difficult because it's so many other people that have

766
00:44:09,880 --> 00:44:13,840
Speaker 4: adopted that moniker, which.

767
00:44:13,640 --> 00:44:16,560
Speaker 1: Is really interesting because, yeah, as prosecution has framed it,

768
00:44:16,680 --> 00:44:19,719
Speaker 1: like King Slime was supposed to signify like the ringleader

769
00:44:19,880 --> 00:44:21,640
Speaker 1: of this whole thing, you know, the leader of this

770
00:44:21,680 --> 00:44:22,600
Speaker 1: grand conspiracy.

771
00:44:23,160 --> 00:44:25,759
Speaker 6: The irony is that guy's the wander on the case.

772
00:44:26,440 --> 00:44:31,640
Speaker 1: Right, right, Prosecutor Don Geary, Right, Yeah, it's somewhere else.

773
00:44:32,120 --> 00:44:34,239
Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, let's take another break and then we'll

774
00:44:34,239 --> 00:44:37,640
Speaker 5: come back and we'll talk about the hack and we'll

775
00:44:37,920 --> 00:44:43,600
Speaker 5: release some new information that I think everybody'll be excited about.

776
00:44:46,000 --> 00:44:49,120
Speaker 5: Welcome back to King Slime. We're here with Baby Jade

777
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:53,000
Speaker 5: and Christina and George of course. Now, George, I want

778
00:44:53,040 --> 00:44:54,680
Speaker 5: to turn to you for a second. There was a

779
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:58,600
Speaker 5: hack of Fulton County's computer system. Yeah, tell me a

780
00:44:58,600 --> 00:44:59,879
Speaker 5: little bit about what's going on here.

781
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:04,359
Speaker 6: So end of January, last weekend in January, hackers from

782
00:45:04,360 --> 00:45:07,239
Speaker 6: a group called lock Bit three point zero, And this

783
00:45:07,280 --> 00:45:10,560
Speaker 6: is a group that's been hitting computer systems at companies

784
00:45:10,600 --> 00:45:15,240
Speaker 6: and organizations and governments, a lot of them, dozens and dozens.

785
00:45:15,920 --> 00:45:19,520
Speaker 6: So they hit the county. They'd probably been in the

786
00:45:19,560 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 6: county systems for weeks, pulling documents, anything they thought was

787
00:45:25,400 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 6: interesting or useful, and then they shut the computers down

788
00:45:29,120 --> 00:45:31,360
Speaker 6: for the county and they've been down and they're not

789
00:45:31,600 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 6: back up yet. Only about a third of the phones

790
00:45:35,560 --> 00:45:37,920
Speaker 6: are up because everything was on a voice of rip system.

791
00:45:38,000 --> 00:45:41,680
Speaker 6: But the key thing for us is the computers at

792
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:45,520
Speaker 6: the county courthouse were part of the hack. And so

793
00:45:46,600 --> 00:45:49,440
Speaker 6: even though the folks from Runfoldon County had not been

794
00:45:49,480 --> 00:45:52,400
Speaker 6: admitting this publicly, Like, I found the hacker site and

795
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,600
Speaker 6: I looked and saw what the sort of things they had,

796
00:45:54,920 --> 00:45:59,440
Speaker 6: and what they had were court records that were sealed.

797
00:45:59,560 --> 00:46:04,440
Speaker 6: They had like child abuse cases that were under seal.

798
00:46:04,600 --> 00:46:09,120
Speaker 6: They had secret witness lists, they had snitch lists, they

799
00:46:09,160 --> 00:46:13,040
Speaker 6: had grand jury testimony, they had medical records that were

800
00:46:13,040 --> 00:46:16,680
Speaker 6: attached to people's files. They had anything that had gone

801
00:46:16,719 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 6: through the court, with the exception of the Trump stuff,

802
00:46:21,960 --> 00:46:25,120
Speaker 6: because the FBI has basically had all of that stuff

803
00:46:25,160 --> 00:46:28,399
Speaker 6: in a freezer like where nobody can get at it.

804
00:46:30,080 --> 00:46:33,160
Speaker 6: But the YSL case is there too, including all the

805
00:46:33,239 --> 00:46:38,040
Speaker 6: stuff that we haven't seen, and the jury list and

806
00:46:38,080 --> 00:46:41,399
Speaker 6: the identities of the jurors. And I was looking at

807
00:46:41,400 --> 00:46:47,120
Speaker 6: this like, if that jury list is published, that might

808
00:46:47,239 --> 00:46:51,360
Speaker 6: be a mistrial, Like at the very least, it sequesters

809
00:46:51,440 --> 00:46:54,959
Speaker 6: the jury entirely, like you live in a hotel until

810
00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:58,840
Speaker 6: this is done. Yeah, add catastrophe.

811
00:46:59,239 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 5: Catastrophe too. I mean that the defense doesn't want a mistriil.

812
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:02,400
Speaker 5: Would imagine it?

813
00:47:02,440 --> 00:47:06,399
Speaker 6: No, I can't imagine. The Judge Glanville is the chief

814
00:47:06,440 --> 00:47:09,439
Speaker 6: judge of the of the court as a whole, and has,

815
00:47:09,560 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 6: when not dealing with YSL case, been like in a

816
00:47:13,080 --> 00:47:15,400
Speaker 6: war room trying to figure out what's going on. And

817
00:47:15,440 --> 00:47:19,520
Speaker 6: the County frankly has not been forthcoming about how serious

818
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:23,680
Speaker 6: this was. There was a counter on the website, like

819
00:47:23,840 --> 00:47:28,080
Speaker 6: the ransomware website that was counting down to twelve forty

820
00:47:28,160 --> 00:47:32,200
Speaker 6: seven this morning. Well, I went to go look, and

821
00:47:32,320 --> 00:47:36,520
Speaker 6: all of it's gone, like there there's no nothing on

822
00:47:36,560 --> 00:47:40,120
Speaker 6: the site that indicates that Fulton County had ever been hacked,

823
00:47:40,160 --> 00:47:43,040
Speaker 6: which implies Fulton County paid it off.

824
00:47:43,719 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 5: Wow.

825
00:47:45,239 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 6: And I don't know how many bitcoins it was, Like

826
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,440
Speaker 6: I think the number was twenty, might have been fifty.

827
00:47:51,520 --> 00:47:57,319
Speaker 6: I don't even know, like some absurd number. I've asked

828
00:47:57,320 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 6: the county to tell me whether or not they paid it.

829
00:47:59,280 --> 00:48:00,960
Speaker 6: I've asked the county to tell me whether or not

830
00:48:01,000 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 6: any of this stuff got out in the wild, and

831
00:48:03,200 --> 00:48:05,040
Speaker 6: they're not telling me. Wow.

832
00:48:05,719 --> 00:48:07,799
Speaker 1: In the meantime, how much of this do you think

833
00:48:07,840 --> 00:48:10,120
Speaker 1: accounts for the pace in which the trial has been

834
00:48:10,640 --> 00:48:11,160
Speaker 1: the last.

835
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Speaker 6: Couple of weeks. Like I guarantee several of the days

836
00:48:14,080 --> 00:48:17,640
Speaker 6: that we weren't having trial was because Glanville was off

837
00:48:18,080 --> 00:48:19,680
Speaker 6: chasing hackers.

838
00:48:19,760 --> 00:48:21,560
Speaker 5: Yeah, he's responsible for dealing with this, right.

839
00:48:21,640 --> 00:48:24,880
Speaker 6: Yeah. He is the person who's been coordinating the county,

840
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:28,080
Speaker 6: the county's response or like at the court system, like

841
00:48:28,520 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 6: chief judge. He's the one who gets to make those calls.

842
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:31,800
Speaker 5: Wow.

843
00:48:32,840 --> 00:48:34,759
Speaker 1: But he has been trying to play off, like at

844
00:48:34,840 --> 00:48:39,280
Speaker 1: least like, you know, not alarm anybody thing about it.

845
00:48:38,360 --> 00:48:41,560
Speaker 6: In public, Like nothing like one day they closed off

846
00:48:41,560 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 6: because of a COVID, like somebody like I think a

847
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:47,120
Speaker 6: juror had COVID over the weekend or something like that.

848
00:48:47,960 --> 00:48:53,279
Speaker 6: But I'm just saying like there's like some of the

849
00:48:53,320 --> 00:48:55,799
Speaker 6: pace over the last two weeks has been because none

850
00:48:55,840 --> 00:48:57,240
Speaker 6: of the court systems work.

851
00:48:57,280 --> 00:48:59,279
Speaker 1: And we've been trying so hard not to harp on

852
00:48:59,480 --> 00:49:01,560
Speaker 1: just like the length in which this trial is going

853
00:49:01,640 --> 00:49:05,800
Speaker 1: to take place, but between you know, just how sprawling

854
00:49:05,840 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 1: the indictment is on top of stuff that is apparently

855
00:49:09,239 --> 00:49:12,120
Speaker 1: out of their control, whether that's a hack, whether that's

856
00:49:12,120 --> 00:49:16,839
Speaker 1: a juror catching COVID or anything else. I mean, are

857
00:49:16,840 --> 00:49:18,640
Speaker 1: we still going to be incortan until the next Super Bowl?

858
00:49:18,640 --> 00:49:20,399
Speaker 1: That seems to be the question that comes up every

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00:49:20,440 --> 00:49:23,400
Speaker 1: single time, just because for as much time as they

860
00:49:23,400 --> 00:49:26,480
Speaker 1: do spend in court, it doesn't seem like much progress

861
00:49:26,520 --> 00:49:27,360
Speaker 1: is being made.

862
00:49:27,800 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 5: Now talking about security, So there's this other leak a

863
00:49:31,360 --> 00:49:34,120
Speaker 5: few weeks ago, this was a big story where there

864
00:49:34,160 --> 00:49:37,880
Speaker 5: was a phone call, a jail phone call leaked between

865
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Speaker 5: Mariah the scientists and young thug Right.

866
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Speaker 6: So it's interesting, like the wire ceil case has had

867
00:49:43,560 --> 00:49:46,600
Speaker 6: hacks in it and like weird data issues like where

868
00:49:46,880 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 6: like the little Woody tape getting out or like a

869
00:49:51,280 --> 00:49:56,440
Speaker 6: zoom bomb where we're looking at guys like you know yeah,

870
00:49:58,800 --> 00:50:01,359
Speaker 6: like you know, free young thug. And it's happened more

871
00:50:01,400 --> 00:50:05,560
Speaker 6: than once. But in this case with the with the Mariah,

872
00:50:05,600 --> 00:50:08,040
Speaker 6: the scientist think it was the color of jail call.

873
00:50:08,120 --> 00:50:10,279
Speaker 6: But what was was a visit, Like it's a like

874
00:50:10,320 --> 00:50:16,000
Speaker 6: it's a virtual visitation that does not appear to have

875
00:50:16,000 --> 00:50:20,359
Speaker 6: been a hack that looks like it was requested as

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Speaker 6: an open record.

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00:50:22,280 --> 00:50:25,240
Speaker 5: Which is something people don't know. Anyone can actually request

878
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Speaker 5: things like this.

879
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Speaker 6: Right, I mean I couldn't. I didn't, but I could,

880
00:50:30,560 --> 00:50:32,239
Speaker 6: Like you don't have to be a reporter, right, yeah,

881
00:50:32,239 --> 00:50:33,799
Speaker 6: you don't have to be a reporter, Like you have

882
00:50:33,880 --> 00:50:37,440
Speaker 6: to be a person whose identity is known, like and

883
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Speaker 6: say this this record, I want it. Like you can

884
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Speaker 6: request jail phone calls. You could say, give me all

885
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Speaker 6: the jail phone calls for this and such person. I

886
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Speaker 6: want to listen to them, and I've got a hard

887
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Speaker 6: drive full of them from other cases. But this is

888
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:54,520
Speaker 6: the first time I'd seen a visitation where a visitation

889
00:50:54,760 --> 00:50:58,960
Speaker 6: gets out. Honestly, I think that's over the line, not

890
00:50:59,760 --> 00:51:01,880
Speaker 6: that I think that young Like, look, if you're a prisoner,

891
00:51:01,880 --> 00:51:05,880
Speaker 6: you don't have privacy rights, but the people visiting you do.

892
00:51:08,520 --> 00:51:10,720
Speaker 6: Ryan the scientist is a human being who's been charged

893
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Speaker 6: with nothing, and suddenly her relationship with Jeffrey Williams is

894
00:51:15,360 --> 00:51:19,200
Speaker 6: on public display in an area which I would say

895
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Speaker 6: is a very private one. So I asked the Cobb

896
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Speaker 6: County Sheriff's office, tell me Whoverris requested this piece of information.

897
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Speaker 3: Because that also is public record.

898
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Speaker 6: Because that also is public record. And that's the other

899
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Speaker 6: side of this, Like if you've got to do something

900
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Speaker 6: like I get here, like to stand up and say

901
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Speaker 6: it was me, Well, let me.

902
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Speaker 5: Just say, first of all, this created a huge uproar.

903
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Speaker 5: I mean, there are people like Drake tweeted about how

904
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Speaker 5: he thought this was ridiculously unfair that the jail, that

905
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Speaker 5: somebody in the jail would leak this call, and everybody,

906
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Speaker 5: I think thought that it must be somebody in the

907
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Speaker 5: inside because they're not really aware of how this open

908
00:51:57,600 --> 00:51:59,880
Speaker 5: record system works, right, So.

909
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Speaker 6: Like some deputy just hacked it out of the system

910
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Speaker 6: and sent it to somebody, and that's not what happened. Instead,

911
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Speaker 6: an email from a blog and by the way, this

912
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Speaker 6: is what I'm reading it. Deer blogger Francoise McMillan, who

913
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Speaker 6: apparently is a local writer, a blogger here in Atlanta,

914
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Speaker 6: made this request on three asked for the jail records

915
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Speaker 6: like around Jeffrey Williams, like including this one. It looks

916
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Speaker 6: like like according to the Cobb County Sheriff's office. And

917
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Speaker 6: we went back and forth for a while because apparently

918
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Speaker 6: there are a lot of people who are asking for

919
00:52:45,880 --> 00:52:50,480
Speaker 6: records from the from the from the Sheriff's office, this

920
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Speaker 6: is the one that actually resulted in that video.

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Speaker 5: So I am told we don't know how it got

922
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Speaker 5: online necessarily, but we do know that this person is

923
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Speaker 5: the one who.

924
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Speaker 6: Who initially got it out of the jail. And so

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Speaker 6: the next question is for her, like, Francoise McMillan, what

926
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Speaker 6: did you do with this video? Did you sell it

927
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Speaker 6: to somebody? Did you post it yourself under an assumed

928
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Speaker 6: name and then somebody else picked it up? Like how

929
00:53:18,960 --> 00:53:21,120
Speaker 6: did it get out of your hands? And what were

930
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Speaker 6: your thoughts?

931
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Speaker 3: Why? Why? Like why?

932
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Speaker 6: Because I don't think there's a whole lot of probative

933
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Speaker 6: value in like, I don't think we learned something deep

934
00:53:30,840 --> 00:53:32,680
Speaker 6: and new and interesting about young thug.

935
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Speaker 1: No, it's a young thug gave a Christmas gift.

936
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Speaker 5: Well, and it raises the question why are these open records?

937
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Speaker 1: I mean, that's my next question.

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Speaker 5: And an interesting point that we talked about when we

939
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Speaker 5: were talking about all this a few weeks ago, just

940
00:53:46,480 --> 00:53:50,200
Speaker 5: between us, was that if you know, you would think that, oh,

941
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Speaker 5: if this had relevance to the to the case, maybe

942
00:53:52,680 --> 00:53:54,480
Speaker 5: it could be an open record. But no, then it

943
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Speaker 5: would become evidence and would be close to the public.

944
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Speaker 6: So, like, I get why the Sheriff's OFWT investigators would

945
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Speaker 6: want to be able to see all of this stuff. Sure, like,

946
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Speaker 6: because you don't want somebody like they go kill somebody like, Hey,

947
00:54:08,800 --> 00:54:10,640
Speaker 6: I'm meeting with you and it's private, and so I'm

948
00:54:10,640 --> 00:54:13,000
Speaker 6: going to tell you to go whack someone like you.

949
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Speaker 6: You really don't want that to be possible for anybody like.

950
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Speaker 6: But if that's not what's happening, then don't get me wrong.

951
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Speaker 6: Like I am an advocate for open records, like bar None,

952
00:54:26,640 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 6: I'm the guy who's going to stand up and ask

953
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:30,560
Speaker 6: for the record nobody else should look at, Like, but

954
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Speaker 6: I'm always gonna have a really good reason, like I

955
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Speaker 6: think this deserves like a serious public conversation.

956
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Speaker 5: Yeah, I mean it's an ethical quandary. I mean, we

957
00:54:40,520 --> 00:54:43,360
Speaker 5: knew all the time that we could request this stuff,

958
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Speaker 5: and we never did because what we do with it,

959
00:54:46,719 --> 00:54:49,040
Speaker 5: I mean it's you know, that's not something that we

960
00:54:49,080 --> 00:54:50,120
Speaker 5: can make an episode out of.

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Speaker 4: It's like awfully weird, Like what's the I don't know,

962
00:54:55,880 --> 00:54:59,080
Speaker 4: I don't know. That's just that's kind of like even

963
00:54:59,120 --> 00:55:03,600
Speaker 4: though I know it's public record, and you know, like

964
00:55:03,960 --> 00:55:09,759
Speaker 4: when you are incarcerated, you relinquish your rights to a

965
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Speaker 4: lot of things. But like George said, like the people

966
00:55:14,880 --> 00:55:19,640
Speaker 4: that love you, they do have rights. And that's that's

967
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Speaker 4: that's that's not that's not cool.

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Speaker 6: The one other thing here for me is that Jeffrey

969
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Speaker 6: Williams has not been convicted of a crime. Right he

970
00:55:27,719 --> 00:55:29,520
Speaker 6: is sitting in jail. He's a waiting church is to

971
00:55:29,560 --> 00:55:32,879
Speaker 6: be resolved one way or another. And so I think

972
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Speaker 6: there's a moral distinction to be made between like because

973
00:55:36,520 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 6: he likes jail is coercive, like you don't have privacy, Like,

974
00:55:41,800 --> 00:55:44,439
Speaker 6: it's another thing if he's if he's a person who's

975
00:55:44,480 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 6: been convicted of a crime and he's serving a sentence,

976
00:55:48,200 --> 00:55:51,120
Speaker 6: and you pull that jail record and you pull that

977
00:55:51,200 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 6: phone call, that's I think there's a moral distinction to

978
00:55:55,000 --> 00:55:59,520
Speaker 6: be made there. But this man is innocent until proven guilty,

979
00:55:59,560 --> 00:56:02,319
Speaker 6: and who I'm i to take advantage of that under

980
00:56:02,320 --> 00:56:03,239
Speaker 6: these conditions.

981
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Speaker 1: So it's not a form of jail misconduct technically, as

982
00:56:06,200 --> 00:56:08,919
Speaker 1: Drake accused, but it definitely hits on some moral gray

983
00:56:09,000 --> 00:56:12,479
Speaker 1: area among many other things in this trial, for sure,

984
00:56:13,440 --> 00:56:16,640
Speaker 1: Franzroise McMillan, tell us what the heck this was about?

985
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Speaker 5: Yeah, drop us a line, come on the show.

986
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Speaker 3: We want to know, miss ma'am.

987
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Speaker 1: Miss ma'am, is there anything else that you feel like

988
00:56:26,000 --> 00:56:27,640
Speaker 1: we should be looking out for in the coming weeks.

989
00:56:27,680 --> 00:56:30,040
Speaker 1: I mean, among other things, we have like one defense

990
00:56:30,040 --> 00:56:32,480
Speaker 1: attorney who wants out on this whole thing entirely.

991
00:56:33,600 --> 00:56:35,600
Speaker 5: This attorney, right, Angela.

992
00:56:35,239 --> 00:56:39,359
Speaker 4: De William's actually who that's why they're not having court

993
00:56:39,360 --> 00:56:41,120
Speaker 4: today because they're doing some motions for him.

994
00:56:41,920 --> 00:56:42,319
Speaker 3: Mm hmm.

995
00:56:42,800 --> 00:56:46,239
Speaker 5: So, and she's basically just making the claim that this

996
00:56:46,320 --> 00:56:49,239
Speaker 5: is getting way too unaffordable for her, right, I mean,

997
00:56:49,360 --> 00:56:51,319
Speaker 5: already saying that she's been saying that for a long time.

998
00:56:51,360 --> 00:56:52,759
Speaker 3: Is that the one that said that she would make

999
00:56:52,800 --> 00:56:53,920
Speaker 3: more working at Chick fil.

1000
00:56:53,800 --> 00:56:55,600
Speaker 5: A only fans? I think she, Well, she might have

1001
00:56:55,640 --> 00:56:57,399
Speaker 5: said Chick fil A too, but she also talked about

1002
00:56:57,640 --> 00:56:59,879
Speaker 5: selling pictures on only fans to make ends meet.

1003
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Speaker 1: Yeah, she's been looking to the gig economy.

1004
00:57:02,560 --> 00:57:03,640
Speaker 3: I have a question about that.

1005
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,360
Speaker 4: If if an attorney or if like a public defender

1006
00:57:10,840 --> 00:57:17,560
Speaker 4: was to go the only fans route, would that be

1007
00:57:17,640 --> 00:57:19,560
Speaker 4: a conflict of interest or is that legal?

1008
00:57:20,480 --> 00:57:20,640
Speaker 6: Oh?

1009
00:57:20,720 --> 00:57:22,240
Speaker 5: Man, I don't know if that's a question that we

1010
00:57:22,280 --> 00:57:24,520
Speaker 5: could answer. We should definitely look into that, though I

1011
00:57:24,600 --> 00:57:28,000
Speaker 5: feel like I feel like it'd be legal. Probably frowned upon,

1012
00:57:28,080 --> 00:57:29,160
Speaker 5: but that's exactly right.

1013
00:57:29,320 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 6: Legal, But you're not supposed to create the appearance of impropriety.

1014
00:57:34,720 --> 00:57:40,360
Speaker 6: And the quest is this, is this an appearance of impropriety, like.

1015
00:57:40,600 --> 00:57:42,880
Speaker 5: Just limit to your feet? You know? Then you get.

1016
00:57:45,240 --> 00:57:47,480
Speaker 3: I have a friend, No, I have a friend. She

1017
00:57:47,720 --> 00:57:52,480
Speaker 3: makes a lot of money on her feet.

1018
00:57:52,960 --> 00:57:55,439
Speaker 4: She makes a lot of money like it's a it's

1019
00:57:55,440 --> 00:57:58,840
Speaker 4: like a a fetish thing for some people. And she

1020
00:57:59,360 --> 00:58:04,840
Speaker 4: gets like she gets paid a lot more than a

1021
00:58:04,880 --> 00:58:08,640
Speaker 4: lot of people that like expose their entire nakedness like

1022
00:58:09,800 --> 00:58:13,440
Speaker 4: it's it's really interesting worksham from me.

1023
00:58:14,240 --> 00:58:15,240
Speaker 5: That's right, that's.

1024
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Speaker 3: Right, right, we love you all whatever you're into.

1025
00:58:18,800 --> 00:58:20,560
Speaker 5: Well, I feel like that's the perfect note to end

1026
00:58:20,560 --> 00:58:23,960
Speaker 5: the show. Right, Yeah, we got there, we started, We

1027
00:58:24,000 --> 00:58:27,520
Speaker 5: got all the way to to the only fans feed pages. Well,

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Speaker 5: thanks for listening this week. We'll be back in two

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00:58:29,960 --> 00:58:32,479
Speaker 5: weeks where every other week here And if you're listening

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Speaker 5: to this on the podcast feed, know that you can

1031
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Speaker 5: watch this on the iHeart YouTube page as well, so

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Speaker 5: we'll be on We're on video as well.

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Speaker 1: King Slime is a production of iHeart Podcasts and Heirloom Media.

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Speaker 6: It's written and produced by George Cheedy, Christina Lee, and Tommy.

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Speaker 1: Andres, mixing sound design and original music by Evan Tyre

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Speaker 1: and Taylor Chicoine.

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00:59:13,000 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 6: The executive producer and editor is Tommy Andres.

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Speaker 1: Our theme music is by Doune Deal. Special thanks to

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Speaker 1: Carl Catle.

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