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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold car Steelers Nation Radio.

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Speaker 2: Welcome to the Drive. I am Dale Lolly, he is

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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt lo And behold we talked

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Speaker 2: about Justin Tucker. Yeah about that yesterday at the end

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Speaker 2: of the show, and about ten minutes after the show ended,

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Speaker 2: Justin Tucker gets released.

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Speaker 3: Gets released. They drafted a kicker in the sixth round,

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Speaker 3: and I guess they had rookie Minni Caamp, so they

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Speaker 3: actually got to be with the young man and have

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Speaker 3: enough trusted him to move on. I suppose the.

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Speaker 2: Funny football Yeah, only a football decision. The funny thing

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Speaker 2: about that is I kept seeing videos out on the

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Speaker 2: ex Twitter today about their new kicker Lowton. Yeah, well

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Speaker 2: here's the next generation and the Ravens drafted him, so

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Speaker 2: he's going to be great, and all that is showing

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Speaker 2: him kicking ball is off the kicking team. Really like

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Speaker 2: that doesn't show me anything.

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Speaker 3: That don't show me anything. I don't know anything about

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Speaker 3: the other Every.

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Speaker 2: Kicker out there who's worth anything, Yeah, can kick the

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Speaker 2: ball when there's nobody rushing him. There's nobody in the state.

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Speaker 2: You're just kicking the ball.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that doesn't mean you're special at all. My only

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Speaker 3: take on it was he played at Arizona. That's not

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Speaker 3: what you want for this area of the country. Maybe

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Speaker 3: he'll be great in the weather and the wind and

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Speaker 3: all that stuff, but the year is with the Browns,

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Speaker 3: Phil Dawson was our kicker. Yeah, he ended up lasting

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Speaker 3: a lot longer, but we were he was old at

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Speaker 3: that point too, and we were like, we better start

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Speaker 3: looking at kickers. And the only rule, and especially teams

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Speaker 3: coach is quite good, actually, but the only rule was

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Speaker 3: give me some evidence of him being able to kick

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Speaker 3: in weather. Yeah, I mean, you kick in Cleveland is

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Speaker 3: probably harder than Baltimore. But you play in Pittsburgh, you're

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Speaker 3: playing Baltimore. You hope to go beat the Bills.

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Speaker 2: And we saw that every year and training yeah, right,

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Speaker 2: right right. Presley Harvin is as good as Cameron Johnston

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Speaker 2: looked last year in training camp. Presley harvem was even

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Speaker 2: more impressive in training camp.

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Speaker 3: Oh, he had some boomers, man.

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Speaker 2: Like eighty yard punts that just sounded different, like a

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Speaker 2: shotgun hung in the air for like seven seconds. They

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Speaker 2: were hitting jets going over by going and flying into

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Speaker 2: the Latrobe Airport and like, Wow, this is going to

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Speaker 2: be the year. And then you get into the season

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Speaker 2: and it would start to get cold. It's like kicking

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Speaker 2: off the tee and the ball would just go nowhere.

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Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean he could kick off the tee,

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Speaker 3: but he couldn't do it with a rush and all

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Speaker 3: those things, yeah, exactly, and the pressure of it, all

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Speaker 3: the wind, the rush, all that stuff. Late in the year,

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Speaker 3: it was never the same form. But man, if you

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Speaker 3: ever visited Latrobe while he was a pitch of some presser,

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Speaker 3: you're like, oh, I see why they drafted that. Yeah, yeah, right,

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Speaker 3: I mean, but consistency is really important.

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Speaker 2: It really is. And you know, you can't in the

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Speaker 2: NFL unless you're you know, with it, one of the

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Speaker 2: Dome teams or you know, right in the Northeast in particular.

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Speaker 2: We're in the Midwest for that matter. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's gonna take a while to prove.

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Speaker 2: You're gonna have to kick out doors you.

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Speaker 3: Have it, right, I mean, you play in nasty North

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Speaker 3: and Cleveland's a terrible place to kick. Yeah, Pittsburgh's not easy.

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Speaker 3: That doesn't seem to be as brutal as it was

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Speaker 3: when the stadium was new.

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Speaker 2: They've closed it off. They closed that end of little Yeah.

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Speaker 3: Changed think the field's a little more solid too. I remember,

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Speaker 3: like my pit years were the beginning of it, and

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Speaker 3: the footing was bad to mix with the win. But Baltimore,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure is not great. I mean in November December,

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Speaker 3: you know, Cincinnati as well, and the teams you're competing against,

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Speaker 3: the Bills, the Chiefs, you know. I mean, these are

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Speaker 3: tough places to kick. He might be fine, who knows,

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Speaker 3: but coming from Arizona, I didn't love that correlation.

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Speaker 2: No, No, Now, they also brought in a kicker as

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Speaker 2: an undrafted free agent from Wyoming, so they're going too.

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Speaker 2: So they were, they're so they're so sold on this

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Speaker 3: Rookie kicker, which is the same as drafting one, basically, yeah,

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Speaker 3: you know, at that position. So I assume they've known

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Speaker 3: Tucker being gone is basically a foregone conclusion. But let's

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Speaker 3: at least get our hands on somebody else and go

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Speaker 3: from there. And I remember, I mean week ten, week twelve,

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Speaker 3: I mean, he was not doing well. He was missing,

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Speaker 3: and I thought he's not going to be a Raven

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Speaker 2: Is he going to be well he kick in the NFL?

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Speaker 2: Ever again, I think no. I don't think he will either.

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Speaker 3: Right.

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Speaker 2: The league is investigating this, the sixteen allegations against Yeah,

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Speaker 2: it's a lot. It's a lot, all right. And I

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Speaker 2: just don't know that anybody, any other team is going

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Speaker 2: the fact that he's fallen off his age and his

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Speaker 2: recent his age. This isn't Deshaun Watson situation here, no, right, right?

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Speaker 3: I mean watching was a top five quarterback. Yeah, this

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Speaker 3: five kicker anymore. And he's older, and you have these

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Speaker 3: things out there. Now, what if he gets cleared soon?

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Speaker 3: But it probably won't be soon. I can't imagine it

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Speaker 3: would be soon, right, I can't imagine by the beginning

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Speaker 3: don't worry about it. Hey, And for his I hope

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Speaker 3: that's true.

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Speaker 2: But the sake of the women, I hope that, right,

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Speaker 2: for everybody, right, nothing happens, right, right, but it doesn't

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Speaker 2: look great. Sixteen of him, I'm gonna think something happens.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't look great. And the fact that the

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Speaker 3: team moved on from him and drafted a kicker and

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Speaker 3: signed another one. You know, I don't think he kicks again.

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Speaker 3: I don't like thirty six ish.

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Speaker 2: Uh yeah, I believe so. So I've ran some numbers today.

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Speaker 2: Right now, Tucker is the all time leading field goal

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Speaker 2: kicker in NFL history and percentage wise eighty nine point

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Speaker 2: one zero three percent, which might be what he ends with,

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Speaker 2: might be what he ends with. Yeah, yeah, Chris Boswell

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Speaker 2: right now his fourth all time. Okay, uh, he's got

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Speaker 3: His coup's still ahead of him.

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Speaker 2: No, right, yeah, and that's really I mean all it

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Speaker 2: takes Harrison, Butker is at eighty eight point six percent.

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Speaker 3: He's another expensive one that's been really good.

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Speaker 2: Eddie Pinero is at eighty eight point zero nine to

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Speaker 3: Guys, so they know it's talking about him as a

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Speaker 2: Boswell's at eighty eight point zero two six percent. But

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Speaker 2: Boswell's made over ninety percent of his kicks in five

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Speaker 3: Really wow, So he's above that number, which is fourth

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Speaker 3: all time recently in a big way.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, in a big way. The one year that he

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Speaker 2: didn't was the year he went on I uh, that

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Speaker 2: was growing right. In twenty twenty two. He only kicked

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Speaker 2: in twelve games. He was twenty of twenty eight that year. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: some fighting, some issues.

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Speaker 3: I say, I believe that he had a groin all year. Yeah,

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Speaker 3: that he fought through, which it's not like a shoulder

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Speaker 2: But if you look at you know, he had that

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Speaker 2: that was definitely a groin injury in that one where

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Speaker 2: he was thirteen of twenty ninety point six percent his

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Speaker 2: first year eighty four percent is second year, which now

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Speaker 2: looks like, wow, that was really down the year for me.

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Speaker 2: He was twenty one to twenty five, but it's not

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Speaker 2: too shabby. Ninety two point one percent sixty five percent

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Speaker 2: in that two thousand and eight eighteen season. The Steelers

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Speaker 2: stuck with him, right right. I remember there was some doubts.

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Speaker 2: What do you do now? You know, ninety three point

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Speaker 2: five percent in twenty nineteen, ninety five percent in twenty twenty,

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Speaker 2: ninety percent in twenty twenty one, seventy one point four

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Speaker 2: percent in that injury season twenty twenty two. Then she

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Speaker 2: hung it up after twelve games. Did you say, yeah?

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Speaker 1: Uh?

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Speaker 2: Ninety three point five percent and ninety three point two

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Speaker 2: percent the last two years, and it was a ninety

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Speaker 2: five in there. He's missed five kicks in the last

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Speaker 2: two years years. Three of them have been beyond fifty

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they're not sure. I mean they're tough kicks. Yeah.

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Speaker 3: One of them was over sixty.

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Speaker 2: One of them was over sixty. He's missed into the

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Speaker 2: half or something. He's missed two kicks inside of fifty

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Speaker 3: Wow, and again weather Weather. Yeah, these a playoff games

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Speaker 3: and late in the season.

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Speaker 2: He's never missed a playoff kick.

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Speaker 3: Wow. And he's good on kickoffs and he's good.

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Speaker 2: On so I ran the numbers on him. Right now

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Speaker 2: he is at He's made two hundred and seventy two

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Speaker 2: of three hundred and nine career field goal attempts. If

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Speaker 2: he gets to if he goes twenty eight to twenty

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Speaker 2: eight to get to three hundred, that moves him past Tucker.

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Speaker 2: Now he's not going to go twenty eight to twenty.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, right, but he might go twenty eight to thirty

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Speaker 3: or eventually keep that pace up.

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Speaker 2: I also then I then ran the numbers on Okay,

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Speaker 2: so if he has what what he has averaged the

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Speaker 2: last two seasons, the average I think go past him.

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Speaker 2: He would be thirty five. He would make thirty five

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Speaker 2: of thirty seven and a half kicks. So obviously he

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Speaker 2: can't kick thirty seven and.

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Speaker 3: A half this year.

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Speaker 2: If he went thirty thirty five of let's say thirty seven,

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Speaker 2: that would put his career percentage at eighty eight point six.

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Speaker 3: Does that make him one? No, Okay, he would.

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Speaker 2: Still be just behind, but he's closing fast.

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Speaker 3: What it would be nice is if someone does pick

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Speaker 3: up Tucker and he keeps missing, I mean him stopping

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Speaker 3: now might be the best thing for Tucker's legacy might

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Speaker 3: be you know, I mean, if he's declining that much.

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Speaker 2: Right now, Butker is at eighty six or eighty eight

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Speaker 2: point six percent, that's where he's at it now.

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Speaker 3: Kicks weather too. I get credit. That's a windy player.

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Speaker 2: If you look at the guys on top, I mean

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Speaker 2: it's Tucker, Butcker Pinero.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, he kind of doesn't look like the others though.

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Speaker 3: Let's see you can do it for five more years.

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Speaker 2: Boswell Daniel Carlson is number five. He kicks, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 2: in a good environment. I remember Ku was up there

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Speaker 2: for a while, but he couldn't keep it up and

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Speaker 2: he kicked in the down. Fair Baron's at eighty six

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Speaker 2: point eight, KOs falling off down to eighty six percent.

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Speaker 3: I do find it interesting funny that these are all

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Speaker 3: active guys well kickers or.

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Speaker 2: Six all times. Josh Lambeau, okay, uh, eight is Mike

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Speaker 2: vander Jack. You wouldn't necessarily think of that.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I had a good career.

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Speaker 2: Robbie gold is nine, Ky Fairburn or fore Bath is

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Speaker 3: People knew Lawrence Taylor was up to bad stuff, you know,

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Speaker 3: I'm sure, I'm sure. And the example I was using

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Speaker 2: That's what I explained to the to the gentleman who

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Speaker 2: Colin Kaepernick had at least done something in.

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Speaker 2: Sanders has done nothing.

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Speaker 3: He's done nothing nothing. The league will move on without

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Speaker 2: You know, yeah, right, I mean there's you're not. It's

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Speaker 3: Right, right, team thirty two teams don't know.

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Speaker 3: Right or hey, can you give us your last three articles?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and reflects all we ended yesterday.

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Speaker 2: We are back. I'm Dale Lolli. He is the Matt

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Speaker 2: Williamson and Matt Warren Sharp does his yeah yeah, strength

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Speaker 3: The other thing he does after that point is, remember

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Speaker 2: That's why I wanted to look at this now.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And then next week when this after the schedule

436
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Speaker 2: is released. Then when he comes out with his he.

437
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Speaker 3: Usually just overnight. I think he doesn't sleep that night

438
00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:33,840
Speaker 3: and puts it all together and it's pretty crazy.

439
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Speaker 2: Yeah. Then we find out, you know, who what what

440
00:20:36,359 --> 00:20:40,240
Speaker 2: the actual schedule is, because it matters as much as

441
00:20:40,359 --> 00:20:44,000
Speaker 2: where you play them as when you play absolutely teams absolutely,

442
00:20:44,000 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 2: I mean three Thursday night you're playing Yeah, absolutely? Are

443
00:20:48,320 --> 00:20:52,080
Speaker 2: you in Miami in September? Are you in Miami in November?

444
00:20:52,359 --> 00:20:54,920
Speaker 3: And that article that he puts out, he'll even tell

445
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Speaker 3: you he's like the road team on Thursday, road games

446
00:21:00,400 --> 00:21:05,119
Speaker 3: on four days rest is thirty yeah, I mean, or

447
00:21:05,840 --> 00:21:08,720
Speaker 3: another one is like three road games in a row,

448
00:21:09,520 --> 00:21:11,919
Speaker 3: your chances go down, you know. The first one is

449
00:21:11,960 --> 00:21:15,000
Speaker 3: just like forty eight house and the second one goes

450
00:21:15,000 --> 00:21:17,120
Speaker 3: to like forty and the third one is like ten,

451
00:21:18,080 --> 00:21:19,600
Speaker 3: like three road games in a row. It's like it

452
00:21:19,600 --> 00:21:21,480
Speaker 3: probably it doesn't even matter who you play, you're probably

453
00:21:21,520 --> 00:21:22,639
Speaker 3: not going to win the third league.

454
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Speaker 2: That's why, I mean, the league doesn't do that as

455
00:21:25,200 --> 00:21:28,680
Speaker 2: much anymore as it No, there better been cognizant about. Yeah,

456
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Speaker 2: he don't give us.

457
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Speaker 3: Some of the rest though, is pretty goofy. I mean

458
00:21:32,240 --> 00:21:35,000
Speaker 3: there's a lot of the same teams have been getting advantages.

459
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Speaker 2: And yeah, so looking at the strength of schedule this year.

460
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Speaker 3: Well, the way he does it is based off Vegas odds,

461
00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:45,719
Speaker 3: you know, like the Raiders are a lot different. They

462
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Speaker 3: have a new quarterback, they have a new head coach.

463
00:21:48,400 --> 00:21:50,640
Speaker 3: It doesn't matter really how many games they won last year,

464
00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:52,920
Speaker 3: it's what do they expected to win? Were they expected

465
00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:53,520
Speaker 3: to win? Yeah?

466
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Speaker 2: Yeah, So his strength of schedule, he has the forty

467
00:21:56,640 --> 00:22:02,160
Speaker 2: nine ers with the easiest schedule by far New England

468
00:22:02,240 --> 00:22:07,400
Speaker 2: at two. San Francisco's win total is ten and a half.

469
00:22:07,480 --> 00:22:08,840
Speaker 2: The Patriots are seven and a half.

470
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Speaker 3: I'm almost certain the NFC West plays both South Division

471
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Speaker 3: they do, which obviously has something to do.

472
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Speaker 2: With The Saints have the third easiest schedule at six

473
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Speaker 2: and a half with six and a half win total.

474
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Speaker 2: When you look at it that way, the fact that

475
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Speaker 2: they have an easier schedule and still only have a

476
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Speaker 2: six and a half win total.

477
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Speaker 3: Right, right, right, they're going to be don't expect to

478
00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,639
Speaker 3: be really bad? Right. And when we start doing like

479
00:22:34,720 --> 00:22:37,240
Speaker 3: over underwind total stuff, I look at the teams that

480
00:22:37,280 --> 00:22:40,320
Speaker 3: are at the top and at the bottom too, like, yeah,

481
00:22:40,359 --> 00:22:42,479
Speaker 3: well I'm on the fence here, but they have a

482
00:22:42,520 --> 00:22:44,600
Speaker 3: really tough schedule. I'm gonna go under right.

483
00:22:45,200 --> 00:22:48,040
Speaker 2: The Falcons are fourth their win total seven and f

484
00:22:48,320 --> 00:22:50,800
Speaker 2: I see a trend here with all the NFC South team.

485
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Speaker 3: A lot of times one division will get hit hard,

486
00:22:52,960 --> 00:22:54,880
Speaker 3: and especially if you're the last place team in that one,

487
00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,359
Speaker 3: that's two games that are easier than the others most

488
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Speaker 3: likely three.

489
00:23:00,040 --> 00:23:02,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's right, but you also play those other bad

490
00:23:02,640 --> 00:23:07,160
Speaker 2: teams in your division. The Bills have the fifth easiest schedule,

491
00:23:07,280 --> 00:23:08,800
Speaker 2: their win totals eleven and a half.

492
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Speaker 3: That's the first pretty darn good team. Who knows about

493
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:12,679
Speaker 3: the Niners, But you.

494
00:23:12,720 --> 00:23:16,560
Speaker 2: Know, could they be this year's fourteen and three fifteen

495
00:23:16,560 --> 00:23:17,120
Speaker 2: and two team?

496
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Speaker 3: We talked about this a lot. I mean, I think

497
00:23:20,640 --> 00:23:22,600
Speaker 3: their chance of going six to zero in the division.

498
00:23:22,640 --> 00:23:25,439
Speaker 3: Are pretty strong, maybe as good as any team in

499
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Speaker 3: the league.

500
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Speaker 2: Yeah, Jacksonville is six. Their win total seven and a half. Okay, Yeah,

501
00:23:31,400 --> 00:23:34,200
Speaker 2: Carolina seventh, six and a half win total. Of those

502
00:23:34,200 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 2: South teams, the Titans eighth, five and a half win total.

503
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Speaker 3: Yeah. I wonder how much Vegas takes into account what

504
00:23:44,880 --> 00:23:47,560
Speaker 3: Warren did or is it. I don't know if it's

505
00:23:47,560 --> 00:23:49,560
Speaker 3: a chicken or the egg, right, Yes, I mean I bet,

506
00:23:49,640 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 3: I bet it's not. See here's where it goes off

507
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,440
Speaker 3: the rails a little bit here, because when we talked

508
00:23:54,440 --> 00:23:56,960
Speaker 3: about this last week, when we did the win totals

509
00:23:56,960 --> 00:24:00,119
Speaker 3: for the league, his first draft, Yeah, he has the

510
00:24:00,200 --> 00:24:03,560
Speaker 3: Dolphins at nine and the Dolphins win totals eight and

511
00:24:03,560 --> 00:24:06,239
Speaker 3: a half. And I would go under on that all

512
00:24:06,320 --> 00:24:09,000
Speaker 3: day long. I would do because they have the ninth

513
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:09,919
Speaker 3: easiest schedule.

514
00:24:09,960 --> 00:24:12,120
Speaker 2: You're saying, But I'm just saying, like, I don't think

515
00:24:12,119 --> 00:24:14,240
Speaker 2: their win total like Vegas, I don't think is dead

516
00:24:14,280 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 2: Almo with some of these win totals.

517
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,040
Speaker 3: No, and I think they get adjusted a little too.

518
00:24:18,200 --> 00:24:20,840
Speaker 3: Like eight and a half seems really high for Miami, Yeah,

519
00:24:20,880 --> 00:24:23,760
Speaker 3: really high. I mean that's a future defense and they

520
00:24:23,760 --> 00:24:26,639
Speaker 3: have a lot of holes. Yeah, entry for play owing quarterback,

521
00:24:26,720 --> 00:24:27,840
Speaker 3: a lot of things could go wrong.

522
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:32,879
Speaker 2: Tampa Bay is tenth, nine and a half win totasies Okay,

523
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,160
Speaker 2: behind all the teams in their division because they got

524
00:24:37,160 --> 00:24:40,159
Speaker 2: to play three first place teams in there.

525
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,000
Speaker 3: But the teams in the division have to play Tampa. Yeah, right,

526
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,080
Speaker 3: so that sort of balances out. But I think a

527
00:24:46,080 --> 00:24:48,240
Speaker 3: lot of it is because the first place schedule.

528
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Speaker 2: Arizona at eleven.

529
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Speaker 3: These are the teams are like average eight.

530
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Speaker 2: Eight and a half. And when you look at it

531
00:24:55,000 --> 00:24:58,919
Speaker 2: this way, here are the teams the Steelers are lumped

532
00:24:58,920 --> 00:25:04,400
Speaker 2: in with a eight and a half wins. Miami, Arizona,

533
00:25:07,200 --> 00:25:12,320
Speaker 2: the Steelers, the Bears, the Vikings. Those are your eight

534
00:25:12,320 --> 00:25:13,320
Speaker 2: and a half win teams.

535
00:25:13,440 --> 00:25:15,280
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'd be a little offended if I were the

536
00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,640
Speaker 3: Vikings too. They won a lot of games last year.

537
00:25:17,680 --> 00:25:18,879
Speaker 2: They won a lot of games. I get it, it's

538
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:19,840
Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback.

539
00:25:20,119 --> 00:25:21,600
Speaker 3: But we don't if I hopes for Donald a year

540
00:25:21,600 --> 00:25:25,080
Speaker 3: ago either, I mean they end up exceeding it now. Well,

541
00:25:25,359 --> 00:25:28,680
Speaker 3: JJ be as good as Donald, probably not this year.

542
00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:33,119
Speaker 3: They have a tough division too, but so the Bears. Right,

543
00:25:33,320 --> 00:25:35,360
Speaker 3: But the Steelers have a harder schedule than most of those

544
00:25:35,320 --> 00:25:36,160
Speaker 3: teams you mentioned too.

545
00:25:36,320 --> 00:25:38,119
Speaker 2: Well, they don't have a harder schedule than the Vikings.

546
00:25:39,320 --> 00:25:41,439
Speaker 2: They don't have a harder schedule than the Bears. Okay,

547
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:44,359
Speaker 2: those are they're in the middle of those eight and

548
00:25:44,359 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: a half win teams. Looking at the twelfth is the Colts,

549
00:25:50,080 --> 00:25:54,199
Speaker 2: they're seven and a half, thirteenth is the Seahawks. There

550
00:25:54,200 --> 00:25:58,439
Speaker 2: are seven and a half. Denver is fourteenth, nine and

551
00:25:58,440 --> 00:26:02,480
Speaker 2: a half. Because these are like league average schedule difficulty,

552
00:26:02,600 --> 00:26:06,560
Speaker 2: Chargers fifteenth, nine and a half. You see that, I

553
00:26:06,600 --> 00:26:08,440
Speaker 2: mean clumped clusters of the.

554
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Speaker 3: Nine and a half. Seems like a lot of the

555
00:26:10,240 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 3: Chargers too.

556
00:26:11,119 --> 00:26:14,639
Speaker 2: You know, the Jets are sixteenth at five and a half.

557
00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:20,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, it doesn't sound like a real difficult schedule. Yeah,

558
00:26:20,359 --> 00:26:21,960
Speaker 3: it's the middle of the road, but I mean the

559
00:26:21,960 --> 00:26:23,040
Speaker 3: division is not that hard.

560
00:26:23,920 --> 00:26:28,320
Speaker 2: Seventeen is Cincinnati nine and a half. That's the first

561
00:26:28,400 --> 00:26:31,399
Speaker 2: day of first the easiest schedule. And then and they

562
00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:36,479
Speaker 2: said they weren't the last place team. No, the Raiders

563
00:26:36,480 --> 00:26:41,560
Speaker 2: at eighteen six and a half, You got the Commanders

564
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:44,880
Speaker 2: at nineteen at nine and a half. You could see

565
00:26:44,880 --> 00:26:45,920
Speaker 2: some plexiglass.

566
00:26:46,119 --> 00:26:48,879
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, principal if they're old too for being a

567
00:26:48,920 --> 00:26:49,680
Speaker 3: young team.

568
00:26:51,359 --> 00:26:54,280
Speaker 2: At twenty other Rams at nine and a half. See

569
00:26:54,280 --> 00:26:55,920
Speaker 2: the difference between that and the forty nine Ers.

570
00:26:55,960 --> 00:26:58,199
Speaker 3: Yeah, I don't know why the Niners are so much easier.

571
00:26:58,240 --> 00:27:01,200
Speaker 3: There must be something on their schedule.

572
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,560
Speaker 2: The bad teams that they play are bad bad. Yeah. Yeah,

573
00:27:04,880 --> 00:27:07,400
Speaker 2: same thing with like Cincinnati versus the rest of the

574
00:27:07,480 --> 00:27:08,760
Speaker 2: in Cleveland, Cleveland.

575
00:27:08,800 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 3: It's weird to me when one team in the division

576
00:27:10,920 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 3: stands out so much more than they others.

577
00:27:13,800 --> 00:27:15,720
Speaker 2: Twenty of the Rams at nine and a half, The

578
00:27:15,840 --> 00:27:18,200
Speaker 2: Ravens come in at twenty first eleven and a half.

579
00:27:19,240 --> 00:27:22,359
Speaker 2: Who wins the Cowboys at twenty two seven and a half?

580
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:24,760
Speaker 3: I have, division's pretty tough.

581
00:27:25,200 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 2: The Packers are twenty three at nine and a half.

582
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:30,240
Speaker 3: These are the tougher schedules, then.

583
00:27:30,200 --> 00:27:32,399
Speaker 2: Yes, these are the tougher schedules. The Steelers are twenty

584
00:27:32,440 --> 00:27:35,520
Speaker 2: fourth twenty four, eight and a half wins, and.

585
00:27:35,480 --> 00:27:37,120
Speaker 3: A lot of its division are in I mean both

586
00:27:37,280 --> 00:27:38,680
Speaker 3: norths are going to have a tough time.

587
00:27:38,600 --> 00:27:42,600
Speaker 2: Yeah, which is why when you look at who's thirty first,

588
00:27:42,680 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 2: it's Cleveland. Yeah, they got to play all the other

589
00:27:44,800 --> 00:27:49,600
Speaker 2: AFC North teams. Yeah, and the NFC Central and right.

590
00:27:49,520 --> 00:27:51,879
Speaker 3: Right, right right, So now they were a real tough r.

591
00:27:52,240 --> 00:27:54,840
Speaker 2: The Bears are twenty six, eight and a half win total.

592
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:57,200
Speaker 2: The Chiefs are twenty seventh this year.

593
00:27:58,520 --> 00:27:59,840
Speaker 3: I mean, I'm sure they have the Bills and the

594
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:03,880
Speaker 3: and the division their division also division looks better. Yeah, yeah,

595
00:28:03,920 --> 00:28:06,159
Speaker 3: I'm sure the win totals on the Denver went up

596
00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:06,880
Speaker 3: from last year.

597
00:28:06,960 --> 00:28:10,760
Speaker 2: Definitely, the Chargers Raiders, probably at least by a game. Yeah,

598
00:28:10,760 --> 00:28:12,760
Speaker 2: you get the at twenty eight. The Vikings, their win

599
00:28:12,840 --> 00:28:16,600
Speaker 2: totals eight and a half. Twenty ninth is the Eagles. Well,

600
00:28:16,760 --> 00:28:18,320
Speaker 2: their win totals eleven and a half.

601
00:28:18,760 --> 00:28:21,680
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously the first place schedule, but that's not shocking.

602
00:28:21,800 --> 00:28:26,639
Speaker 2: Thirtieth is Detroit. They get the third toughest schedule. Okay,

603
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 2: their win totals ten and a half.

604
00:28:28,119 --> 00:28:31,000
Speaker 3: Those first place teams. It sounds like in the NFC

605
00:28:31,520 --> 00:28:33,000
Speaker 3: it's a little harsher than it used to be.

606
00:28:33,160 --> 00:28:35,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, and then you know, bring up the rear. You

607
00:28:35,560 --> 00:28:37,480
Speaker 2: get the Browns and the Giants at thirty one and

608
00:28:37,560 --> 00:28:39,400
Speaker 2: thirty two, both at five and a half wins.

609
00:28:39,480 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 3: I found it interesting that they're the two toughest schedules

610
00:28:41,920 --> 00:28:44,960
Speaker 3: because they picked second and third in the draft. They

611
00:28:44,960 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 3: were the two quarterback half to have teams. Yeah, you know,

612
00:28:47,800 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 3: like they're kind of in parallel universes to something.

613
00:28:51,080 --> 00:28:53,160
Speaker 2: They're five and a half is not the same as

614
00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:56,680
Speaker 2: Tennessee's five and a half, right, win total. Tennessee has

615
00:28:56,680 --> 00:28:58,120
Speaker 2: the eighth easiest schedule.

616
00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:00,560
Speaker 3: Like you might look at the Giants and I think

617
00:29:00,560 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 3: they're in a better place than the Titans, but the

618
00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:06,880
Speaker 3: roads ahead is way harder, way harder.

619
00:29:07,000 --> 00:29:11,600
Speaker 2: Even the Jets that had the sixteenth's the middle of

620
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,440
Speaker 2: the road. Whereas though those two teams are both also

621
00:29:14,560 --> 00:29:16,200
Speaker 2: picked to get five and a half wins and their

622
00:29:16,240 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 2: thirty first and thirty second, they might not even get

623
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:19,440
Speaker 2: the five and a half.

624
00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:22,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, right right. I would lean towards the under on that.

625
00:29:23,280 --> 00:29:26,680
Speaker 3: From what I remember, this time last year, the Steelers

626
00:29:26,680 --> 00:29:29,240
Speaker 3: were thirty one or thirty two. They were at the bottom. Yeah,

627
00:29:29,320 --> 00:29:31,240
Speaker 3: I mean it, and it ended up being that way,

628
00:29:31,400 --> 00:29:33,640
Speaker 3: and I think the year before they were at the bottle.

629
00:29:33,680 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 3: Big part of that is a division and you're a

630
00:29:36,160 --> 00:29:38,920
Speaker 3: playoff team, like you're not going to have many last

631
00:29:38,920 --> 00:29:41,760
Speaker 3: place teams on your schedule, and the division's good. Yeah,

632
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:44,440
Speaker 3: I mean, at this time last year, the Browns over under,

633
00:29:44,440 --> 00:29:47,640
Speaker 3: it was like nine wins, right, I mean the whole

634
00:29:47,640 --> 00:29:48,400
Speaker 3: division looked.

635
00:29:48,760 --> 00:29:52,000
Speaker 2: Yeah, the Steelers had the fourth highest win total in

636
00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,800
Speaker 2: the division last at this point, right, I think they

637
00:29:54,800 --> 00:29:56,000
Speaker 2: were still they were at eight and a half at

638
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: that At this point last year, Cleveland was at nine

639
00:29:58,160 --> 00:29:58,880
Speaker 2: and a half.

640
00:29:58,680 --> 00:30:01,400
Speaker 3: Which was why the Dealers had a harder schedule than

641
00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,720
Speaker 3: the other three teams, because they didn't get to play

642
00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:06,920
Speaker 3: what was perceived as the weakest team, which was Pittsford. Yeah.

643
00:30:08,120 --> 00:30:12,000
Speaker 2: So well, now, whether this plays out or not, I

644
00:30:12,040 --> 00:30:14,959
Speaker 2: still think there's some flies in the ointment.

645
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 3: I just think that, of course. I mean it's still

646
00:30:16,600 --> 00:30:19,120
Speaker 3: a prediction. Maybe I don't know how the schedule is

647
00:30:19,120 --> 00:30:21,200
Speaker 3: going to go. And so much of it has to

648
00:30:21,240 --> 00:30:24,760
Speaker 3: do with Okay, Houston's on the schedule, they look good,

649
00:30:24,800 --> 00:30:27,440
Speaker 3: but the week you played them, they know Stroud. I

650
00:30:27,440 --> 00:30:30,200
Speaker 3: mean there's a lot of luck involved. There's plus of

651
00:30:30,200 --> 00:30:32,840
Speaker 3: stuff that's going to come out next week. Is are

652
00:30:32,880 --> 00:30:35,600
Speaker 3: you on multiple road games? Is this a short super

653
00:30:35,600 --> 00:30:39,520
Speaker 3: short week? You know, losing to the Yeah, we looked

654
00:30:39,520 --> 00:30:42,840
Speaker 3: at when I remember schedule released day last year, another

655
00:30:42,880 --> 00:30:46,000
Speaker 3: short week in Cleveland. I don't think Cleveland's as good

656
00:30:46,000 --> 00:30:47,480
Speaker 3: as everyone thinks they are, but that's gonna be.

657
00:30:47,440 --> 00:30:48,560
Speaker 2: A tough game.

658
00:30:48,720 --> 00:30:50,880
Speaker 3: That's a really tough game, right. I think it was

659
00:30:51,720 --> 00:30:53,960
Speaker 3: piggybacked with the Ravens or something too. I think they're

660
00:30:53,960 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 3: coming off a raven game and then they'd go there.

661
00:30:55,720 --> 00:30:58,280
Speaker 3: It's like, oh, that's bad luck of just how it

662
00:30:58,360 --> 00:30:59,160
Speaker 3: lines up too.

663
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Speaker 2: And even know all all the division games late in

664
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Speaker 2: the year.

665
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:05,560
Speaker 3: Right, last year was not right and we all saw

666
00:31:05,600 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 3: the three and eleven day thing too. That's a nightmare.

667
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 2: I just looking at those win totals in this perspective,

668
00:31:15,960 --> 00:31:18,280
Speaker 2: I understand San Francisco's win total.

669
00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:21,440
Speaker 3: It's a little bit higher now than I remember when

670
00:31:21,480 --> 00:31:23,280
Speaker 3: we talked about the first time, Like, well, that seems

671
00:31:23,320 --> 00:31:25,320
Speaker 3: a lot for a team that's that fragile, but their

672
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:26,560
Speaker 3: roads easier than everybody else.

673
00:31:26,600 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 2: Yes, I don't understand the Saints at six and a

674
00:31:29,680 --> 00:31:33,040
Speaker 2: half though. Even if if the Saints go, can the

675
00:31:33,040 --> 00:31:35,000
Speaker 2: Saints go three and three in the division?

676
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:36,320
Speaker 3: Best?

677
00:31:36,520 --> 00:31:38,840
Speaker 2: I don't see it, right, I mean, that's a home

678
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,720
Speaker 2: run for them. So where are they getting to six

679
00:31:41,760 --> 00:31:42,440
Speaker 2: and a half wins?

680
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:44,680
Speaker 3: Right? Right? I mean I think Shuck's going to be

681
00:31:44,720 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 3: their quarterback.

682
00:31:47,000 --> 00:31:49,080
Speaker 2: And I like Shuck, But where they getting six and

683
00:31:49,080 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 2: a half wins?

684
00:31:49,680 --> 00:31:50,760
Speaker 3: Asking a ton, right.

685
00:31:50,680 --> 00:31:53,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, because I think Carolina is better. Yes, I think

686
00:31:54,000 --> 00:31:57,160
Speaker 2: Atlanta's better than them. I think the Saints have a

687
00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:58,760
Speaker 2: really I think the Saints are the worst team in

688
00:31:58,800 --> 00:31:59,320
Speaker 2: a division.

689
00:31:59,720 --> 00:32:02,440
Speaker 3: I think you have a chance to pick first overall. Yeah,

690
00:32:02,480 --> 00:32:03,800
Speaker 3: I think they're right in that hunt.

691
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:06,840
Speaker 2: And you may look at it, well, Atlanta's seven and

692
00:32:06,880 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 2: a half. I think Atlanta's probably better than the seven

693
00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,040
Speaker 2: and a half win team playing in that division.

694
00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 3: Probably.

695
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:14,480
Speaker 2: I think they're the second best team in that division.

696
00:32:14,720 --> 00:32:17,840
Speaker 3: Was it worth trading a future first? Who cares? You

697
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:18,800
Speaker 3: got better? Right?

698
00:32:18,840 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 2: You know?

699
00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,720
Speaker 3: And that doesn't matter for this exercise if your whole

700
00:32:21,720 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 3: goal is to win as many games you possibly can

701
00:32:23,400 --> 00:32:24,960
Speaker 3: this year. Their defense looks better.

702
00:32:25,080 --> 00:32:28,800
Speaker 2: The Bills are clearly the best team. Yeah in the AFC.

703
00:32:28,880 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: Are they going to go six and zero in the

704
00:32:30,200 --> 00:32:32,520
Speaker 2: AFC East? I would tend to think so.

705
00:32:32,800 --> 00:32:34,960
Speaker 3: I mean the over under should probably be five. Yeah,

706
00:32:35,000 --> 00:32:36,160
Speaker 3: I mean I doubt they're four and two.

707
00:32:36,320 --> 00:32:39,959
Speaker 2: Five and a half would be there right right, right, So,

708
00:32:40,000 --> 00:32:42,040
Speaker 2: I mean they're they're halfway to eleven and a half

709
00:32:42,200 --> 00:32:42,680
Speaker 2: right out of.

710
00:32:42,600 --> 00:32:45,400
Speaker 3: The gate, and a big thing we'll be looking at too,

711
00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,920
Speaker 3: and certainly in that division. You don't want to go

712
00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:50,440
Speaker 3: to Miami the first couple of weeks. You don't want

713
00:32:50,480 --> 00:32:53,120
Speaker 3: to go to Denver, the first couple of weeks heat games.

714
00:32:53,240 --> 00:32:55,520
Speaker 3: Miami doesn't want to go to Buffalo in week eighteen,

715
00:32:55,840 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 3: you know, I mean some of those things matter too.

716
00:32:58,400 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 2: Jacksonville's win total seven and a half, they've got the

717
00:33:00,800 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 2: six easiest schedule, might lean towards the over there. Cleveland

718
00:33:05,200 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: wouldn't be happy with that, right right, thinking they were gonna,

719
00:33:08,520 --> 00:33:11,200
Speaker 2: you know, coach everything else. Oh, they're gonna have two

720
00:33:11,240 --> 00:33:12,880
Speaker 2: top ten picks, are they?

721
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 3: I don't know, I don't know.

722
00:33:14,320 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 2: I think go one and they'll earn that. Yeah, what's there?

723
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:21,520
Speaker 2: Over under the five and a half? Five and a

724
00:33:21,560 --> 00:33:23,680
Speaker 2: half and they have a brutals, They have the thirty.

725
00:33:23,720 --> 00:33:25,600
Speaker 2: They have the second toughest schedule.

726
00:33:26,320 --> 00:33:29,040
Speaker 3: So if the Bills have the best chance, off the

727
00:33:29,080 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 3: top of my head, to be six and zero in

728
00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:34,840
Speaker 3: their respective division, do the Browns have the best chance

729
00:33:34,880 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 3: to be oh and six?

730
00:33:37,120 --> 00:33:40,120
Speaker 2: It probably beats They always beat Cincinnati every year.

731
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:43,040
Speaker 3: I mean, I wouldn't bet on it, but I mean,

732
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:44,960
Speaker 3: I think the Titans have a better chance to win

733
00:33:44,960 --> 00:33:48,400
Speaker 3: a division game. I bet maybe the Giants. Yeah, the

734
00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:49,240
Speaker 3: Giants at the bottom.

735
00:33:49,240 --> 00:33:51,120
Speaker 2: Here's the other interesting thing about it. Looking at it

736
00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 2: this way, You've got five teams who are projected six

737
00:33:56,760 --> 00:33:59,560
Speaker 2: six teams. They were projected to have double digit win totals.

738
00:34:00,520 --> 00:34:07,160
Speaker 2: San Francisco, Buffalo, Baltimore, Kansas City, Philadelphia, Detroit.

739
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:10,080
Speaker 3: The Niners are not like the others.

740
00:34:10,120 --> 00:34:13,319
Speaker 2: Detroit has the third toughest schedule, Philadelphia has the fourth

741
00:34:13,360 --> 00:34:16,319
Speaker 2: toughest schedule because they played each other. The Chiefs have

742
00:34:16,440 --> 00:34:24,080
Speaker 2: the sixth, yeah, sixth toughest schedule, Baltimore is eleventh, Kansas

743
00:34:24,120 --> 00:34:26,719
Speaker 2: City has the fifth easiest schedule, and the forty nine

744
00:34:26,800 --> 00:34:28,120
Speaker 2: ers have the easiest schedule.

745
00:34:28,360 --> 00:34:32,960
Speaker 3: Who had the fifth easiest Kansas Cityfalo, Buffalo. Okay, yeah,

746
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:34,920
Speaker 3: I don't think the Niners are nearly in the level

747
00:34:34,960 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 3: of those other teams, especially based off just last year's results.

748
00:34:38,719 --> 00:34:41,200
Speaker 3: Those are the best couple teams in the league. But

749
00:34:41,239 --> 00:34:43,799
Speaker 3: the best teams usually do have the hardest schedules. It's why, right,

750
00:34:43,880 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 3: I mean, the Steelers are one of them. I mean,

751
00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:48,520
Speaker 3: year after year, it's what the league wants. They want parody,

752
00:34:48,520 --> 00:34:51,440
Speaker 3: they want some of these you know, the Texans two

753
00:34:51,520 --> 00:34:54,920
Speaker 3: years ago Washington last year to come from the seller

754
00:34:55,080 --> 00:34:56,799
Speaker 3: up till the playoff time.

755
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 2: But it just tells me if I were betting, if

756
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,520
Speaker 2: I were looking at this and going, Okay, who's gonna

757
00:35:01,520 --> 00:35:03,480
Speaker 2: have Who's gonna be the number one seed in the AFC?

758
00:35:04,360 --> 00:35:07,680
Speaker 3: Buffalo Buffalo feels real good? Yeah, right, Like you don't

759
00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:09,880
Speaker 3: love seeing that if you're Kansas City, No, you know

760
00:35:10,000 --> 00:35:11,799
Speaker 3: or bald right, you know, a team like you know

761
00:35:11,840 --> 00:35:15,319
Speaker 3: that your your your aspirations, your goal is to get

762
00:35:15,320 --> 00:35:17,480
Speaker 3: that number one seed, not just win division, but be

763
00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 3: the best team in the AFC. Buffalo's got a nice.

764
00:35:19,960 --> 00:35:21,600
Speaker 2: Pass and they've got the easiest division.

765
00:35:22,080 --> 00:35:23,960
Speaker 3: But yeah, it all correlates, of course.

766
00:35:23,760 --> 00:35:27,239
Speaker 2: Right, yeah, right, same thing with Detroit, Like Detroit and Philadelphia,

767
00:35:27,320 --> 00:35:28,480
Speaker 2: their division's got tougher.

768
00:35:28,960 --> 00:35:32,839
Speaker 3: Detroit looks real, Detroit looks brutal, right, right, I mean

769
00:35:33,800 --> 00:35:35,959
Speaker 3: that's why the Giants to me, might be the leader

770
00:35:35,960 --> 00:35:38,200
Speaker 3: in the clubhouse for the first overall pick. Yeah, I

771
00:35:38,200 --> 00:35:40,400
Speaker 3: mean they easily could be and six in their division.

772
00:35:40,840 --> 00:35:44,759
Speaker 2: And I saw something like Detroit last year I think

773
00:35:44,800 --> 00:35:47,000
Speaker 2: went seven and oh or something like that against non

774
00:35:47,000 --> 00:35:50,320
Speaker 2: playoff teams, six and two against playoff teams, something along

775
00:35:50,360 --> 00:35:52,840
Speaker 2: those lines. They were unbeaten, maybe nine and oh against

776
00:35:52,960 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 2: against the non playoff team.

777
00:35:54,400 --> 00:35:54,560
Speaker 3: Yeah.

778
00:35:54,600 --> 00:35:57,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, they are six and two against the playoff teams.

779
00:35:58,160 --> 00:35:59,640
Speaker 3: Well, they're gonna get more of them.

780
00:35:59,640 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 2: They're going to get more.

781
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,239
Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah. That's hard to stay on top, it really is.

782
00:36:03,960 --> 00:36:09,280
Speaker 3: But those teams have the quarterbacks. Yeah, they're also correlids. Yeah,

783
00:36:09,320 --> 00:36:11,879
Speaker 3: you know, the teams that are at the top. That's

784
00:36:11,920 --> 00:36:14,000
Speaker 3: one that's good. Bring you back to the Steelers, I mean,

785
00:36:14,040 --> 00:36:17,040
Speaker 3: if they're the Steelers are consistently having one of the

786
00:36:17,120 --> 00:36:19,200
Speaker 3: harder schedules in the league, which they have if you

787
00:36:19,239 --> 00:36:22,040
Speaker 3: go back to years of Sharp doing this. They don't

788
00:36:22,080 --> 00:36:23,960
Speaker 3: have my homes, they don't have Allen, you know, I mean,

789
00:36:24,080 --> 00:36:27,680
Speaker 3: and they still have battled the really hard schedules. It's

790
00:36:28,000 --> 00:36:30,279
Speaker 3: the tough road, and nobody feels bad for you.

791
00:36:30,400 --> 00:36:34,120
Speaker 2: Nobody does. Yeah. In fact, some people are underwhelmed by

792
00:36:34,160 --> 00:36:34,400
Speaker 2: it all.

793
00:36:35,200 --> 00:36:36,399
Speaker 3: There are a few of them out there.

794
00:36:36,440 --> 00:36:40,239
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah. Anyways, let's get through break. He is the

795
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,359
Speaker 2: Matt Williamson. I am Dale, Lolly, you're listening to the Drive.

796
00:36:43,400 --> 00:36:46,440
Speaker 2: You're on the Steelers Audio network, Matt, and I'll be

797
00:36:46,480 --> 00:36:52,160
Speaker 2: back with more right after this.

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Speaker 1: He's the Drive with Dale Lolly and Matt Williamson on

799
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Speaker 1: your twenty four to seven home of the Black and

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Speaker 1: Gold Steelers Asian.

801
00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:06,160
Speaker 2: Radio, and we are back on Dale Lolli he is

802
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Speaker 2: the Matt Williamson and Matt. The NHL held its draft

803
00:37:11,200 --> 00:37:15,440
Speaker 2: lottery last night. Yeah. Yeah, and the Pittsburgh Penguins ended

804
00:37:15,520 --> 00:37:18,960
Speaker 2: up eleventh. They had been the ninth best.

805
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,240
Speaker 3: They were projected to win the ninth.

806
00:37:20,440 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 2: Yeah or whatever.

807
00:37:21,160 --> 00:37:23,080
Speaker 3: Right, that's a ping pong balls. Right.

808
00:37:24,760 --> 00:37:30,080
Speaker 2: Major League Baseball doesn't do that, don't the but and

809
00:37:30,200 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 2: the NBA and NHL do use the lottery system.

810
00:37:33,400 --> 00:37:35,399
Speaker 3: If you don't know the answer, don't. Obviously you don't

811
00:37:35,440 --> 00:37:35,839
Speaker 3: know the answer.

812
00:37:36,000 --> 00:37:39,080
Speaker 2: Draft order. Is it only the non playoff team? Yes,

813
00:37:39,320 --> 00:37:41,080
Speaker 2: it's not like you make the playoffs. You just go

814
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:41,880
Speaker 2: in based on how you.

815
00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:43,920
Speaker 3: How you get eliminated, just like the NFL. Yeah, but

816
00:37:43,960 --> 00:37:45,919
Speaker 3: I didn't know if it was just like the top

817
00:37:46,000 --> 00:37:48,600
Speaker 3: five teams or if it's everyone that missed the playoffs.

818
00:37:49,320 --> 00:37:51,400
Speaker 3: And if you're the best team that missed the playoffs,

819
00:37:51,400 --> 00:37:53,839
Speaker 3: I think you get one ping pong ball. If you're

820
00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:57,040
Speaker 3: the worst team, you got twelve or whatever whatever you Yeah, Yeah,

821
00:37:56,840 --> 00:37:57,640
Speaker 3: it's weighted.

822
00:37:58,040 --> 00:38:02,080
Speaker 2: Yeah. Should the NFL consider doing something like that.

823
00:38:02,560 --> 00:38:04,319
Speaker 3: I've been asked that a lot, and I don't think

824
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 3: it's a terrible idea because, first of all, you know

825
00:38:07,880 --> 00:38:10,880
Speaker 3: how many viewers they get for that, A bazillion gajillion,

826
00:38:11,080 --> 00:38:13,319
Speaker 3: you know, I mean, there's no question about that. They

827
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:16,439
Speaker 3: could do it pretty early in the process, which you'd

828
00:38:16,440 --> 00:38:18,200
Speaker 3: have to do it before free agency, because it might

829
00:38:18,280 --> 00:38:22,200
Speaker 3: if I picked it right after the combine, maybe even earlier.

830
00:38:22,480 --> 00:38:23,800
Speaker 3: I want to do it before free agency.

831
00:38:23,840 --> 00:38:25,960
Speaker 2: You can't get it that the combine is before free

832
00:38:25,960 --> 00:38:29,279
Speaker 2: agency combines two weeks after the Super Bowl. You have

833
00:38:29,320 --> 00:38:30,879
Speaker 2: to kind of wait until the Super Bowl. You don't

834
00:38:30,920 --> 00:38:33,839
Speaker 2: have to wait until the Super bowls obviously. The NH

835
00:38:34,000 --> 00:38:37,240
Speaker 2: and NBA do their playoffs last six months long each.

836
00:38:37,320 --> 00:38:40,719
Speaker 3: Right right, right, No, that's a great time to do it, absolutely,

837
00:38:40,719 --> 00:38:44,480
Speaker 3: because it wouldn't change your strategy as a My.

838
00:38:44,520 --> 00:38:47,200
Speaker 2: Free agency doesn't start until two weeks after the combine, right.

839
00:38:47,160 --> 00:38:50,520
Speaker 3: Right right after the combine. It'd be great to ideally

840
00:38:50,600 --> 00:38:52,480
Speaker 3: than the NFL is so smart about this, do it

841
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:56,640
Speaker 3: during a down stretch so everybody watches. Just like schedule release,

842
00:38:56,680 --> 00:38:58,680
Speaker 3: there's not a lot going on right now. Schedule release

843
00:38:58,719 --> 00:39:02,479
Speaker 3: has turned into a event and you wanted some sort

844
00:39:02,480 --> 00:39:06,880
Speaker 3: of early because if I pick one, verse nineteen is

845
00:39:06,880 --> 00:39:08,760
Speaker 3: a heck of a lot different. I mean, the nineteenth

846
00:39:08,760 --> 00:39:12,000
Speaker 3: best team could win the first overall pick. I don't

847
00:39:12,000 --> 00:39:16,000
Speaker 3: think they'll do it because that is such a dramatic shift,

848
00:39:16,360 --> 00:39:20,080
Speaker 3: but I definitely think they'll consider it if teams start

849
00:39:20,160 --> 00:39:23,759
Speaker 3: really tanking, yeah, you know, like if they really put

850
00:39:23,760 --> 00:39:26,680
Speaker 3: out garbage the last two week weeks or whatever, the

851
00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 3: bad teams to try to get a first overall or

852
00:39:29,000 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 3: second overall or maintain their spot. I think the NFL

853
00:39:32,160 --> 00:39:34,520
Speaker 3: will be like, no, no, no, you know, we want

854
00:39:34,560 --> 00:39:37,320
Speaker 3: those games to be as meaningful as possible.

855
00:39:37,400 --> 00:39:38,840
Speaker 2: I think, you know, that was why there was so

856
00:39:38,920 --> 00:39:44,600
Speaker 2: much pushback on the Brian Flores Dolphins tanking situation.

857
00:39:44,800 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: Right right, any word of tanking is going to be right,

858
00:39:49,840 --> 00:39:52,840
Speaker 3: no question. I'm trying to think. I think the Eagles

859
00:39:53,560 --> 00:39:56,800
Speaker 3: late in the season like sat everybody or the second

860
00:39:56,840 --> 00:40:00,319
Speaker 3: half or something like that. Sort of Recently this has

861
00:40:00,360 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 3: come up a lot, just because I think the Patriots

862
00:40:03,040 --> 00:40:06,200
Speaker 3: going into Week eighteen had the first overall.

863
00:40:05,920 --> 00:40:07,920
Speaker 2: They had the first overall pick, and they won.

864
00:40:07,840 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 3: And they won, Yeah, and they easily could have just

865
00:40:10,320 --> 00:40:14,839
Speaker 3: put out their worst players Tanking is a weird word

866
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:16,280
Speaker 3: their worst players.

867
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Speaker 2: That may. I guess it's it's more difficult to do.

868
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:26,680
Speaker 2: I think in a sport like the NFL. Yeah, tanking

869
00:40:26,680 --> 00:40:31,560
Speaker 2: in particular, because you get twenty two guys on the field.

870
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Speaker 2: You only have a fifty three man roster.

871
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Speaker 3: How many offensive linemen, right, you.

872
00:40:36,880 --> 00:40:38,680
Speaker 2: Only have a certain number of that. You only have

873
00:40:38,719 --> 00:40:41,720
Speaker 2: so many defensive linemen. You only so many different players

874
00:40:41,719 --> 00:40:42,920
Speaker 2: at each position.

875
00:40:43,120 --> 00:40:44,960
Speaker 3: And no one's going to give half effort.

876
00:40:45,000 --> 00:40:47,800
Speaker 2: And those guys are going out there, they're trying because

877
00:40:48,040 --> 00:40:50,759
Speaker 2: they're not just playing for this year you're playing. There's

878
00:40:50,760 --> 00:40:52,520
Speaker 2: nothing guaranteed in the in the NFL.

879
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 3: I'm not putting bad tape out there for anybody. Hell no,

880
00:40:55,600 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 3: or Plus, I could get injured if I'm not giving

881
00:40:57,280 --> 00:40:59,440
Speaker 3: one hundred percent, you know, But I'm taking on a block.

882
00:41:00,080 --> 00:41:01,440
Speaker 3: It's not all starts, and.

883
00:41:01,320 --> 00:41:04,520
Speaker 2: Most of the contracts aren't guaranteed, right right, Like I'm

884
00:41:04,520 --> 00:41:06,760
Speaker 2: playing for a next year's contract.

885
00:41:06,520 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 3: And in any given game, the twenty two players on

886
00:41:08,880 --> 00:41:11,319
Speaker 3: the field at once, I bet eleven of them are

887
00:41:11,360 --> 00:41:13,200
Speaker 3: set to be free agents after the year, you know,

888
00:41:13,400 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 3: Like I don't even have loyalty of this team. I

889
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,000
Speaker 3: don't know if I'm bringing me back so that.

890
00:41:17,960 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 2: The coach may be getting fired and you're going to

891
00:41:19,520 --> 00:41:20,960
Speaker 2: clean house anyways.

892
00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:22,799
Speaker 3: So I was a little young, But I think the

893
00:41:22,840 --> 00:41:26,960
Speaker 3: best example and exactly what the NFL doesn't want is

894
00:41:26,960 --> 00:41:29,440
Speaker 3: when the Penn's got Lemieux, which is my all time

895
00:41:29,480 --> 00:41:34,400
Speaker 3: favorite athlete. They called up a Goldie from the miners

896
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:37,719
Speaker 3: who wasn't a particularly good at stopping pucks and for

897
00:41:37,800 --> 00:41:40,080
Speaker 3: the last month he played goal when they let up

898
00:41:40,120 --> 00:41:42,240
Speaker 3: a whole lot. You know, So you put your worst

899
00:41:42,239 --> 00:41:44,719
Speaker 3: guys out there if you want to lose. But the

900
00:41:44,800 --> 00:41:46,520
Speaker 3: NFL doesn't want that, and you don't.

901
00:41:46,520 --> 00:41:49,920
Speaker 2: But it's almost it's kind of impossible to do in

902
00:41:49,960 --> 00:41:50,560
Speaker 2: the NFL.

903
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 3: I mean, you could sit your best guys and if

904
00:41:53,160 --> 00:41:55,719
Speaker 3: you win, you win. I mean like the Willie Parker game,

905
00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: didn't they in Buffalo or whatever? Yeah, they sat guys

906
00:41:59,719 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 3: because they have spot locked up.

907
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:02,800
Speaker 2: But they're guys that are bringing off the bench with

908
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 2: Willie Parker and James.

909
00:42:03,880 --> 00:42:06,560
Speaker 3: Harris right, and they're gonna play like crazy.

910
00:42:06,600 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 2: That's their audience. Their hair is on fire because they

911
00:42:08,640 --> 00:42:09,200
Speaker 2: want a job.

912
00:42:09,360 --> 00:42:12,400
Speaker 3: Absolutely, I do think it is harder. I mean, I

913
00:42:12,400 --> 00:42:15,320
Speaker 3: guess in the NBA, you could sit all right, Lebron,

914
00:42:15,360 --> 00:42:17,759
Speaker 3: you got to take this one. Yeah, we'll play our

915
00:42:17,760 --> 00:42:20,480
Speaker 3: best guys that always touch the ball on the bench.

916
00:42:20,520 --> 00:42:24,160
Speaker 3: For now, NFL is tougher, there's a lot more people. Yeah,

917
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,760
Speaker 3: but I do think if we start seeing serious tanking,

918
00:42:27,160 --> 00:42:27,600
Speaker 3: there'll be more.

919
00:42:27,800 --> 00:42:29,960
Speaker 2: I mean we've seen a couple of you know, the

920
00:42:30,040 --> 00:42:32,719
Speaker 2: Lions in the in the Browns in recent years have

921
00:42:32,760 --> 00:42:35,239
Speaker 2: gone winless. Really hard to do.

922
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:38,240
Speaker 3: Kind of by design. I mean, I really think tanking

923
00:42:38,320 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 3: is done in the front office. Like a coach isn't

924
00:42:40,360 --> 00:42:43,200
Speaker 3: going to call the wrong plays, quarterbacks not going to

925
00:42:43,239 --> 00:42:45,160
Speaker 3: miss a throw by accident, kicker is not going to

926
00:42:45,200 --> 00:42:48,120
Speaker 3: blast it into the seats. But if I don't putting

927
00:42:48,120 --> 00:42:49,759
Speaker 3: good teams on, if I don't get my coaches any

928
00:42:49,760 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 3: good players, well I'll probably lose some game. But that's

929
00:42:54,680 --> 00:42:56,879
Speaker 3: you know, that's that's different than this issue. I mean,

930
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,200
Speaker 3: that's a productive struggle.

931
00:43:02,200 --> 00:43:06,080
Speaker 2: And guys do get better the more they play, the

932
00:43:06,120 --> 00:43:06,719
Speaker 2: better they get.

933
00:43:06,880 --> 00:43:08,839
Speaker 3: Well that's the thing too. Yeah, Well we.

934
00:43:08,920 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 2: Just guys out there were guys, lesser guys out there.

935
00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:15,319
Speaker 2: But as this course of the season goes on, they

936
00:43:15,400 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 2: might get better.

937
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,280
Speaker 3: They might get better and that's part of the benefit

938
00:43:18,360 --> 00:43:20,920
Speaker 3: to you know, play all your young guys, three or

939
00:43:20,920 --> 00:43:24,879
Speaker 3: four of them really emerge. I mean, nobody tanks with

940
00:43:24,920 --> 00:43:26,600
Speaker 3: a bunch of thirty five year olds.

941
00:43:26,360 --> 00:43:28,880
Speaker 2: Right, you know, I mean, and those guys are that pride,

942
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:31,440
Speaker 2: you know, Yeah, at least have a bit of a

943
00:43:31,520 --> 00:43:34,359
Speaker 2: job for Yeah, like the Texans a few years ago

944
00:43:34,480 --> 00:43:36,239
Speaker 2: when they had a really bad team, but they went

945
00:43:36,280 --> 00:43:40,240
Speaker 2: out and got a bunch of thirty something one guys

946
00:43:40,239 --> 00:43:41,400
Speaker 2: on one.

947
00:43:41,360 --> 00:43:42,960
Speaker 3: See if any of them hit, and they're all going

948
00:43:43,040 --> 00:43:45,520
Speaker 3: to try like crazy for us. The know what they're

949
00:43:45,560 --> 00:43:48,279
Speaker 3: doing right, right, They're not as talented as the guys

950
00:43:48,280 --> 00:43:50,759
Speaker 3: across from them. But maybe I can bring him back

951
00:43:50,760 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 3: and I'll draft someone in the third round that learns

952
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,640
Speaker 3: from him and then hopefully goes past them. You know.

953
00:43:57,320 --> 00:43:59,320
Speaker 2: It's just it's just tougher to do in the NFL.

954
00:43:59,480 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 3: I think it is too. But boy, the night on

955
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,919
Speaker 3: NFL Network that was the lottery would get a lot

956
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:08,560
Speaker 3: of views, it would it would probably do a live show,

957
00:44:08,680 --> 00:44:11,040
Speaker 3: and even Steelers weren't in it.

958
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:13,640
Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely, But anyways, that's going to do it for

959
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Speaker 2: our number one of the drive here on the Steelers

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Speaker 2: Audio Network, Matt and now I'll be back with our

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Speaker 2: number two right after this