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Speaker 1: Welcome to Creature feature production of iHeartRadio. I'm your host

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Speaker 1: of Many Parasites, Katie Golden, and today I want to

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Speaker 1: talk to you about one of the world's most notorious parasites. Leeches.

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Speaker 1: These little suckers love our blood, but they're far more

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Speaker 1: devious and suck far more than you might think. Discover

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Speaker 1: this more as we answer the age old question is

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Speaker 1: leech is the best medicine? Joining me today is friend

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Speaker 1: of the show Garfield, appreciator, comedian, TV writer and enrolled

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Speaker 1: Keal's Indian tribal member, as well as the creator of

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Speaker 1: the digital series Gone Native, Joey Clift.

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Speaker 2: Welcome. Yeah, everybody, thanks so much for having me. I'm

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Speaker 2: always excited to come back and talk about things that suck.

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Speaker 2: That's leeches. That's what they do.

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Speaker 1: That's what they do, suck and it's funny because suck.

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Speaker 1: I mean two things at the same time. Joey, when

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Speaker 1: I have you on, we usually talk about cats because

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Speaker 1: we are both big fans of cats. We're both big

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Speaker 1: fans of Garfield. So this is a little bit of

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Speaker 1: a pivot. We're pivoting to leeches. Now are you Are

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Speaker 1: you on board with the rebrand?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? I mean, I feel like I'm like a notorious

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Speaker 2: cat guy, but I guess I'm okay with shifting to

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Speaker 2: being a notorious leech guy. I feel like that. I

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Speaker 2: feel like that's now that I'm getting older, now that

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Speaker 2: I'm getting to medicine.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, getting more refined. I mean, if you think about it, right,

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Speaker 1: like leeches are the cats of the insect world. They

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Speaker 1: just kind of suck off of our lifeblood. And you

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Speaker 1: know that's about it, right, Cats just kind of live

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Speaker 1: off of us. They take our food, they take our resources,

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Speaker 1: and don't really give anything in your turn except for

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Speaker 1: being adorable, just like a leech.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And I think that if you think about it,

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Speaker 2: like Garfield is for sure a leech. I mean he's

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Speaker 2: basically sucking the life of John Arbuckle. Like also in

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Speaker 2: this world, John our buckles blood is lasagna.

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Speaker 1: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I didn't really think about that metaphor much past

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Speaker 2: the initial thought his veins.

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Speaker 1: Are full of ricotta. Yeah. I mean, you know, so

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Speaker 1: leeches look love them or hate them, they exist and

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Speaker 1: they're everywhere, and personally I like them. Maybe I don't

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Speaker 1: want a bunch of them on me at once, but

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Speaker 1: you know, they're really fascinating. Actually, uh, what are your

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Speaker 1: things on leeches?

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Speaker 2: Wait? Well, wait question. Okay, you said you didn't want

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Speaker 2: a bunch of them on you. What is the max

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Speaker 2: amount of leeches that you'd want on you.

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Speaker 1: Let's see. I'm gonna say two, one on each leg,

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Speaker 1: and then any more than that, I think I'd start

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Speaker 1: to get a little bit unnerved, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 1: Like cause, like, once it's three leeches, it's like, all right, guys,

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Speaker 1: what am I a buffet? But if it's two leeches,

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Speaker 1: then it's sort of just a friendly gathering. It's like

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Speaker 1: a date. It's like a little leech dinner date, and

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Speaker 1: that's not so bad. But yeah, I don't want to

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Speaker 2: That makes sense. And you're asking what my opinion on

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Speaker 2: leeches is. Into that, I'm gonna say, let's see if

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Speaker 2: I can sing this the Jack Black Mario Brothers song

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Speaker 2: leeches leeches, leeches, leeches, leeches, leeches, leeches, leeches. I'm fine

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Speaker 2: with you. Yeah, there we go.

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Speaker 1: Nice, very good. I have not seen that movie, despite

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Speaker 1: I think it being free on Twitter. I've heard you can, so, yeah,

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Speaker 1: leeches are really really interesting. There are many species of leeches.

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Speaker 1: And a lot of leeches that we're familiar with have

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Speaker 1: these three jaws that look like a grappling hook to

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Speaker 1: puncture your skin, such as the North American medicinal leech.

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Speaker 1: And we'll talk about why it's called that later, but yeah,

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Speaker 1: it has three jaws and around fifty to sixty tiny

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Speaker 1: teeth or denticles on each jaw, and they use these

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Speaker 1: through which to suck your blood. So you know, they're

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Speaker 1: like tiny doctors or vampires. Tiny vampire doctors who surgically

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Speaker 2: I mean, I do base my value of like how

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Speaker 2: good my doctor is based on how many teeth they have. Yeah, no,

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Speaker 2: so far leeches are great doctors.

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Speaker 1: Our teeth better doctor. My doctor just has teeth like

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Speaker 1: coming out of his nose, and you know that's good.

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Speaker 2: Oh, I'd let that doctor do whatever surgery on you

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Speaker 1: So their saliva famously contains a potent anticoagulant that can

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Speaker 1: cause you to bleed for over twelve hours. Now, this

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Speaker 1: sounds very dangerous, but you know, if if it's just

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Speaker 1: one leech incision, right, it's you're probably not going to

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Speaker 1: lose too much of your blood. Now, if it's you know,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I feel like a leech, like is

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Speaker 2: could one leech suck all of the blood from your body?

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Speaker 2: Or like how much blood can one leech hold?

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Speaker 1: So it kind of depends on the species of leech.

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Speaker 1: One leech could definitely not suck all the blood from

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Speaker 1: your body. We actually have, we have a good amount

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Speaker 1: of blood, probably gallons. I actually don't know how much

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Speaker 1: the total blood a human being.

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Speaker 2: Here with five cups something like that.

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Speaker 1: I think more than five cups. I'm not a serial killer,

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Speaker 1: so I have not memorized how much blood.

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Speaker 2: It's at least like a mountain dew two later bottle.

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Speaker 1: It's yeah, at least so no one leech cannot suck

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Speaker 1: you dry. They can suck a lot of blood, like

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Speaker 1: they can, you know, increase in sol eyes massively and

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Speaker 1: absorb a huge amount of blood. But I would say it,

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Speaker 1: I mean, it depends on the species. Some are small

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Speaker 1: and some are larger and can get a good amount

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Speaker 2: Yeah, can a leech suck all of your blood? No?

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Speaker 1: I know that's not true for like a you know,

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Speaker 1: average size like North American medical leech. They can consume

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Speaker 1: around ten milli liters after a feeding, which is a

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Speaker 1: lot for the leech. That's like ten times its own weight.

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Speaker 1: But you know, for a human, that's totally manageable as

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Speaker 1: long as it's like one leech.

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Speaker 2: I wonder, is any I mean, okay, so I'm answering

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Speaker 2: this question knowing the answer already of like, have there

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Speaker 2: ever been so many leeches on somebody that the leeches

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Speaker 2: just kind of realized, Oh, of course people use leeches

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Speaker 2: for medicinal purposes. One percent people.

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Speaker 1: Died from them, probably from medical malpractice back in the day. Yeah, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think that there have been rare cases of leeches

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Speaker 1: causing death due to severe anemia. But I think these

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Speaker 2: I really want to know the context of why somebody

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Speaker 1: Well, it was not. These were called pharyngeal leeches, so

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Speaker 1: they were ingested on accident in contaminated drinking water. So yeah,

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Speaker 1: so I think that they actually attach inside of the throat,

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Speaker 1: usually ectopair sites. But that's that seems much more likely

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Speaker 2: So okay, So I have a question about leeches. Uh,

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Speaker 2: if a leech was as cute as a cat, or

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Speaker 2: if a cat required drinking your blood, would you have

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Speaker 2: a would you like, would you give a cat just

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Speaker 2: like a little bit of your blood over day? I

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Oh I absolutely would. Honestly, you put a little

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Speaker 1: eib on me. That's all right, I'm not Yeah, I

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Speaker 1: about getting my blood drawn. But I think if it

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Speaker 2: Yeah, if it leached me out at me, like if

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Speaker 2: after a leech like and it took a mix sip

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Speaker 1: I would just assume probably at that point I had

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Speaker 2: So yeah.

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Speaker 1: Most species of leeches are aquatic. That's how people accidentally

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Speaker 1: ingest them in the water. That's how you get them,

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Speaker 1: like after you like wade through water or swim and

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Speaker 1: leech on me. Whoops. They typically live in fresh water

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Speaker 1: environments and some live in marine environments. But there are

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Speaker 1: actually a few species of leeches that are terrestrial and

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Speaker 1: they live in moist forest floors. Uh. And terrestrial leeches

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Speaker 1: be back to normal. They'll reanimate. They're kind of like

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Speaker 1: those you know those like little like what are they

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Speaker 1: But uh, there used to be a toy where it's

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Speaker 2: And that sounds like me when I'm just like binge

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Speaker 2: I just kind of stop moving. My body gets covered

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Speaker 1: Like I'm back, I'm moisturized and I'm thriving. Yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: me playing Legend of Zelda. I uh fun, It's it's

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Speaker 1: staying hydrated and taking potty breaks as needed, because you know,

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Speaker 1: I will sit there and kind of shrivel up like

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Speaker 1: a leech and just be like, but Link needs to

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Speaker 1: save Princess Zelda. Did you know that Zelda's the name

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Speaker 1: of the princess? And you know it's it's a problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, that's like something about like I feel like I

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Speaker 2: games because I used to just be like a huge gamer,

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Speaker 2: three in the morning, and just like I haven't eaten

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Speaker 2: any food or drinking water, where am I?

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Speaker 1: You know? Leeches are just like us in this way.

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Speaker 1: They will sort of chill out, dry out, become little

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Speaker 1: raisins until water is poured on them and they rehydrate.

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Speaker 1: There are actually over six hundred and eighty speeches of leeches,

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Speaker 1: and not all of them are black and shiny or brown.

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Speaker 1: You know. Some are actually bright orange, some are red

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Speaker 1: Some can even be blue or green. The tiger leech

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Speaker 1: of Borneo has bright orange and yellow stripes. It looks

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Speaker 1: like the garfield of leeches. Joey, look at this beautiful leech.

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Speaker 2: Completely different from everything I know. So, the the reason

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Speaker 2: To distinguish flavors, Like if I eat the orange one,

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I would. I would definitely eat a creamstickle flavored leech. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: It is a fish. It's a fish. It is leeching

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Speaker 1: Like a little grabby guy. But you know, other leeches

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Speaker 1: It uses the proboscis method of puncturing its host and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, looking at this, you have a photo of this

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Speaker 2: But a big question what if it fit me out,

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Speaker 1: I mean, how big are its eyes in this scenario?

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Speaker 2: Are it's big and they's just real real big and cute?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, I'm letting it suck my blood in that circumstance.

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Speaker 2: But this one take like, take it all, take it all.

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Speaker 1: This one is not fluffy, its size are not big

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Speaker 2: So my question there is, I feel like somebody's reaction

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Speaker 1: We must save them. I mean, yeah, jokes aside. It

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Speaker 1: Why why is this leech extremely big compared to other leeches.

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Speaker 1: So there is a lot of information. Also, once you

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Speaker 2: Yeah that I say, yeah, yes, queen boss, yeah, spech queen,

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Speaker 1: Actually the most species most species of leeches are hermaphrodite.

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Speaker 2: Yeah they yeah, I stand uh binary leech wuaene king yeah,

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Speaker 2: He bears a leech costume. He exclusively drinks stuff through

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Speaker 1: One hundred percent, right, I'm shocked that there's not a

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Speaker 1: There's just a character named the Leech found in Marvel,

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Speaker 1: This is just a weird little doctor.

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Speaker 1: He's a cute little guy. I mean not to say

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it is important for leeches to be able to

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Speaker 1: Yes, So, Joey, what if I told you that leeches

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Speaker 2: I don't know that. Tell me more.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, some species of leeches are not merely parasites. They

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Speaker 1: It's sadly not like a little leech with horse legs

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Speaker 2: They give you the bleeding status effect, which was the worst.

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Speaker 1: I hate it when leeches give me the bleeding status effect. Well,

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Speaker 1: That you are getting digested inside this leech. They can

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Speaker 1: It's well, you know what I feel like, when you're

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Like, if I could use my butt as like

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Speaker 1: Maybe we'd have your wars because we would be more

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Speaker 1: a giant spaghetti. Despite the fact that the leech is

429
00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:30,359
Speaker 1: not that much bigger than the worm itself, so it

430
00:25:30,480 --> 00:25:34,760
Speaker 1: looks like a fat spaghetti eating a fat spaghetti, and

431
00:25:35,400 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: it's very slimy.

432
00:25:37,560 --> 00:25:40,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, it seems deeply humiliating. I'm looking at a picture

433
00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,480
Speaker 2: of a borneo red leach eating a worm right now.

434
00:25:43,720 --> 00:25:45,800
Speaker 2: It seems like it would probably be deeply embarrassing if

435
00:25:45,840 --> 00:25:48,399
Speaker 2: you were a worm that was eaten by another worm,

436
00:25:49,560 --> 00:25:51,960
Speaker 2: but also like not a worm that's like, yeah, you're right,

437
00:25:52,040 --> 00:25:54,560
Speaker 2: it's like pretty much the same size as you. Like.

438
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,879
Speaker 1: As I have frequently stated on this show, the world

439
00:25:58,960 --> 00:26:03,000
Speaker 1: is just tubes or complicated tubes, or tubes and tubes.

440
00:26:03,600 --> 00:26:06,080
Speaker 1: So this is just a case of a tube eating

441
00:26:06,160 --> 00:26:09,679
Speaker 1: another tube, and I think that's just about how you

442
00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:10,679
Speaker 1: can sum up nature.

443
00:26:11,760 --> 00:26:13,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, look, it's tubes all the way down.

444
00:26:14,040 --> 00:26:17,600
Speaker 1: It really is. I mean, we're tubes, but we have

445
00:26:17,680 --> 00:26:20,600
Speaker 1: a lot of extra parts, right, Like, yeah we are,

446
00:26:20,640 --> 00:26:22,480
Speaker 1: but we are when when you get down to it,

447
00:26:22,520 --> 00:26:26,200
Speaker 1: we're just tubes and then we eat tubes, right, spaghetti,

448
00:26:27,000 --> 00:26:29,399
Speaker 1: even if you're a vegetarian, right like you eat you

449
00:26:29,440 --> 00:26:31,960
Speaker 1: eat tubes. I feel like a carrot is kind of

450
00:26:32,000 --> 00:26:36,080
Speaker 1: a tube, right, It's got tube like vascular structures inside

451
00:26:36,080 --> 00:26:40,040
Speaker 1: the carrot. Other animals are tubes no matter what you do,

452
00:26:40,160 --> 00:26:43,000
Speaker 1: we're just tubes in tubes in tubes.

453
00:26:44,640 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 2: Well you should. You should put that on either a

454
00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:49,800
Speaker 2: t shirt or a poster, like a motivational poster. I

455
00:26:49,840 --> 00:26:52,800
Speaker 2: feel like I would sell a trillion copies and start

456
00:26:52,840 --> 00:26:53,399
Speaker 2: a new religion.

457
00:26:53,800 --> 00:26:56,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna start tattooing it. I'm going to start a

458
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:59,159
Speaker 1: tattoo shop. But the only thing that I tattoo is

459
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: we're all tubes and tubes and tubes.

460
00:27:02,920 --> 00:27:04,800
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, like all.

461
00:27:07,920 --> 00:27:13,480
Speaker 1: So there's another group of leeches called the Glossophonidae family

462
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:17,080
Speaker 1: who are flat and oval shaped. They're kind of an

463
00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:22,520
Speaker 1: interesting leech because they're not just your regular sort of squat,

464
00:27:22,800 --> 00:27:27,640
Speaker 1: fat or tube shaped leech. They they're the pancakes of

465
00:27:27,680 --> 00:27:31,640
Speaker 1: the leech world. They live in fresh water bodies bodies

466
00:27:31,680 --> 00:27:37,000
Speaker 1: of fresh water. Some species feed on crocodilians, so they

467
00:27:37,119 --> 00:27:41,480
Speaker 1: attach themselves onto crocodilians and suck their blood, which is

468
00:27:41,520 --> 00:27:45,199
Speaker 1: pretty metal props to them. Some feed on turtles and

469
00:27:45,240 --> 00:27:48,880
Speaker 1: will actually spend most of their life attached to the turtle,

470
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:53,080
Speaker 1: like the turtle is a little floating island. They may

471
00:27:53,119 --> 00:27:56,160
Speaker 1: sometimes be found on the turtle shell, but they don't actually,

472
00:27:56,640 --> 00:28:00,119
Speaker 1: they can't suck anything through the turtle shell, so they're

473
00:28:00,160 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 1: just kind of hanging out there. They're just chilling there,

474
00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:05,400
Speaker 1: and when they need to feed, they will attach themselves

475
00:28:05,440 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: to the turtle's flesh, intentionally going for a part of

476
00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 1: the turtle's body where the turtle has a hard time

477
00:28:11,880 --> 00:28:15,840
Speaker 1: scratching it off, which just sounds so obnoxious for the turtle.

478
00:28:16,280 --> 00:28:19,160
Speaker 1: You've got your little turtle shell home, so you've got

479
00:28:19,200 --> 00:28:22,800
Speaker 1: a squatter living on your turtle shell and then kind

480
00:28:22,800 --> 00:28:26,600
Speaker 1: of going to your nether regions where you can't scratch

481
00:28:26,640 --> 00:28:30,200
Speaker 1: it off, and then sucking your blood. Rude, bad house.

482
00:28:30,240 --> 00:28:33,720
Speaker 2: That also feels like, I mean, I feel like that's

483
00:28:33,760 --> 00:28:35,760
Speaker 2: a lot of coverage area for a turtle. I feel

484
00:28:35,760 --> 00:28:38,360
Speaker 2: like turtles aren't really known for flexibility or like being

485
00:28:38,400 --> 00:28:40,680
Speaker 2: able to use things off. So it feels like there's

486
00:28:40,720 --> 00:28:42,880
Speaker 2: like ninety percent of the turtle it probably is not

487
00:28:42,920 --> 00:28:43,960
Speaker 2: going to be able to get you off of it

488
00:28:44,000 --> 00:28:44,520
Speaker 2: if you're there.

489
00:28:44,640 --> 00:28:46,800
Speaker 1: That's a very good point. Have you ever seen a

490
00:28:46,840 --> 00:28:49,120
Speaker 1: turtle doing yoga? I haven't.

491
00:28:50,000 --> 00:28:52,920
Speaker 2: I have not, and I feel like that answers a

492
00:28:52,920 --> 00:28:55,360
Speaker 2: lot of questions you now that I think about it.

493
00:28:57,040 --> 00:29:01,160
Speaker 1: So, but some members of the gloss Phona Day family

494
00:29:01,400 --> 00:29:04,720
Speaker 1: prey on fresh water snails, so they will use their

495
00:29:04,760 --> 00:29:09,080
Speaker 1: proboscis that's the leech implement. That's like a pokey straw,

496
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:12,440
Speaker 1: and they will just suck the snail's fluids right out.

497
00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,960
Speaker 1: They'll completely like they kill the snail. This is not parasitism.

498
00:29:16,040 --> 00:29:20,680
Speaker 1: This is predatory behavior. It's like eating escargo with a straw.

499
00:29:20,960 --> 00:29:22,800
Speaker 1: So you know, they're very French.

500
00:29:24,720 --> 00:29:29,959
Speaker 2: Hoow classy. Yeah, I'm watching video of this and this

501
00:29:30,000 --> 00:29:30,640
Speaker 2: is horrible.

502
00:29:33,120 --> 00:29:35,720
Speaker 1: If you ever wanted to feel sorry for a snail,

503
00:29:35,840 --> 00:29:38,160
Speaker 1: this is a good opportunity.

504
00:29:39,240 --> 00:29:42,000
Speaker 2: But you know, and the leeches like kind of clear,

505
00:29:42,160 --> 00:29:44,400
Speaker 2: so you could like see you could like see it

506
00:29:44,520 --> 00:29:46,360
Speaker 2: like eating the Yeah, you can.

507
00:29:46,240 --> 00:29:49,160
Speaker 1: See the juice is traveling through it. It's fun. It's

508
00:29:49,240 --> 00:29:53,640
Speaker 1: like it's like a fun fun straw, crazy straw that's

509
00:29:53,680 --> 00:29:56,920
Speaker 1: see through and you can see it going right in there. Terrified,

510
00:29:58,760 --> 00:30:03,360
Speaker 1: but so you don't. These leeches, the Glossiphoniday family leeches,

511
00:30:03,400 --> 00:30:09,280
Speaker 1: they are actually quite loving parents. They exhibit extraordinary parental care.

512
00:30:09,400 --> 00:30:13,400
Speaker 1: They will carry their offspring in a membranous pouch on

513
00:30:13,440 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 1: their bellies like a kangaroo, until their offspring are large

514
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:22,680
Speaker 1: enough to survive on their own. Another adorable fact is

515
00:30:22,760 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: that once their offspring emerged from the pouch, they will

516
00:30:26,440 --> 00:30:30,080
Speaker 1: often attach themselves to the parents and suck their parents dry.

517
00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:33,640
Speaker 2: It's so cute, osa, oh got it. They were like

518
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:36,440
Speaker 2: me when I still live with my mom at like

519
00:30:36,480 --> 00:30:36,960
Speaker 2: twenty two.

520
00:30:38,920 --> 00:30:42,080
Speaker 1: All these a lot of parents listening. You're like, mm hmm, yep,

521
00:30:42,120 --> 00:30:45,920
Speaker 1: that's my Yeah. Yeah, who doesn't want a parent smoothie

522
00:30:45,920 --> 00:30:48,400
Speaker 1: though when you think about it, right, like just kind

523
00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:51,680
Speaker 1: of stick a straw and mima or pop pop and

524
00:30:51,880 --> 00:30:52,760
Speaker 1: suck all their blood.

525
00:30:53,240 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 2: Yeah, just shake them up and go.

526
00:30:56,920 --> 00:31:00,120
Speaker 1: I love my parents. I'm not I'm not gonna, you know,

527
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:03,960
Speaker 1: I don't know, like eat my parents. I feel like

528
00:31:04,000 --> 00:31:08,640
Speaker 1: I have to say that when after I've stated that, Yeah, I.

529
00:31:08,560 --> 00:31:11,000
Speaker 2: Mean my parents are both like very skinny, so I

530
00:31:11,000 --> 00:31:14,080
Speaker 2: feel like they're probably mostly crystle. Also my parents and

531
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:14,840
Speaker 2: will not eat them.

532
00:31:15,440 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 1: We're both we're both stating for the record, we're not

533
00:31:18,680 --> 00:31:21,120
Speaker 1: gonna be cannibals and eat our parents.

534
00:31:21,440 --> 00:31:25,640
Speaker 2: Yeah. So when they get eaten, un well, yeah, don't

535
00:31:25,640 --> 00:31:28,120
Speaker 2: look at us run the record saying a what we

536
00:31:28,200 --> 00:31:28,920
Speaker 2: didn't do it.

537
00:31:28,920 --> 00:31:35,920
Speaker 1: It wasn't gonna be us air tighter. Yeah, So Joey,

538
00:31:36,000 --> 00:31:40,080
Speaker 1: I promise to talk about leeches as medicine. Are you

539
00:31:40,160 --> 00:31:42,560
Speaker 1: excited to learn about blood litting?

540
00:31:44,480 --> 00:31:47,800
Speaker 2: I am, yes, very I'm very excited to hear about this.

541
00:31:49,120 --> 00:31:52,880
Speaker 2: Very I'm sure hip new medical practice that is sweeter

542
00:31:52,960 --> 00:31:53,160
Speaker 2: than it.

543
00:31:54,760 --> 00:31:58,719
Speaker 1: So, as you probably already know, leeches used to be

544
00:31:58,920 --> 00:32:03,680
Speaker 1: used in blood letting under the dubious science of humors.

545
00:32:03,840 --> 00:32:07,440
Speaker 1: So this was a practice, you know, hundreds of years ago,

546
00:32:08,480 --> 00:32:12,120
Speaker 1: and the idea was that the body was comprised of

547
00:32:12,240 --> 00:32:17,640
Speaker 1: four humors, blood, yellow bile, black bile, and flim. Of

548
00:32:17,680 --> 00:32:21,480
Speaker 1: course we do have blood, bile and phlim in our bodies,

549
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:27,840
Speaker 1: but humorism ascribed questionable properties to these fluids and had

550
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:33,280
Speaker 1: unscientific ideas of how these humors had to be balanced.

551
00:32:33,480 --> 00:32:36,360
Speaker 1: So blood was thought to be the main source of

552
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:40,680
Speaker 1: energy of the soul and the body, and having a

553
00:32:40,880 --> 00:32:45,640
Speaker 1: sanguine nature meant to be energized social and enthusiastics. So

554
00:32:45,760 --> 00:32:50,360
Speaker 1: you got more blood, you're more charismatic, you're more of

555
00:32:50,360 --> 00:32:53,640
Speaker 1: a social butterfly. If you have less blood, I guess

556
00:32:53,720 --> 00:32:56,440
Speaker 1: you're more introverted, and you play more Legend of Zelda

557
00:32:56,480 --> 00:32:58,360
Speaker 1: instead of going out.

558
00:33:00,000 --> 00:33:02,520
Speaker 2: That makes sense to me. So you basically to make

559
00:33:02,560 --> 00:33:04,760
Speaker 2: some many more extroverted you just to pump more blood

560
00:33:04,760 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 2: into their body.

561
00:33:05,720 --> 00:33:09,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, you put more blood in there. But yeah, so

562
00:33:09,480 --> 00:33:12,920
Speaker 1: everything has to be in balance according to humorism. So

563
00:33:12,960 --> 00:33:16,200
Speaker 1: if you had too much blood, you could get diseases,

564
00:33:16,760 --> 00:33:19,280
Speaker 1: and by letting out some of the blood, you'd put

565
00:33:19,320 --> 00:33:23,480
Speaker 1: your humors back into balance again. One theory as to

566
00:33:23,560 --> 00:33:27,400
Speaker 1: an origin of bloodletting is that the Egyptians mistook the

567
00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:31,520
Speaker 1: reddish pink fluid on hippos, which is actually a natural

568
00:33:31,560 --> 00:33:35,240
Speaker 1: secretion that acts as a sun protector. But they thought

569
00:33:35,280 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: that this fluid was blood. It's not. It's just like

570
00:33:39,400 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 1: a skin secretion. It's this pinkish red. It helps me

571
00:33:43,240 --> 00:33:43,760
Speaker 1: attack them.

572
00:33:44,560 --> 00:33:46,680
Speaker 2: It's like homemade sunscreen for hippos.

573
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:50,240
Speaker 1: Exactly exactly. But they thought that the hippo would actually

574
00:33:50,280 --> 00:33:54,360
Speaker 1: scratch itself to let out blood and soothe itself this way,

575
00:33:54,440 --> 00:33:57,320
Speaker 1: or heal itself, and so they thought this was practice

576
00:33:57,360 --> 00:34:02,040
Speaker 1: that they should perhaps copy. Blood litting was either done

577
00:34:02,040 --> 00:34:07,480
Speaker 1: by simply cutting into the patient or victim or with leeches.

578
00:34:07,760 --> 00:34:11,480
Speaker 1: So leeches were so popular in this medical practice that

579
00:34:11,719 --> 00:34:17,399
Speaker 1: early nineteenth century France imported over forty million leeches per year.

580
00:34:18,320 --> 00:34:18,760
Speaker 2: Cross.

581
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:24,880
Speaker 1: Yeah, so unfortunately, there's no scientific basis to blood litting.

582
00:34:25,160 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 1: We need our blood to be alive, and there's no

583
00:34:28,239 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: such thing as humor balance, and diseases aren't really caused

584
00:34:32,600 --> 00:34:37,239
Speaker 1: by too much blood. You can certainly have problems with

585
00:34:37,800 --> 00:34:43,000
Speaker 1: the concentration of certain cells or certain compounds in your blood.

586
00:34:43,040 --> 00:34:46,239
Speaker 1: So you can have too high of a concentration of

587
00:34:46,280 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: red blood cells in your blood or blood and fluids

588
00:34:49,239 --> 00:34:51,840
Speaker 1: building up too much in certain parts of the body.

589
00:34:52,239 --> 00:34:54,799
Speaker 1: But there's not really a thing. It's like it just

590
00:34:54,840 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: got too much blood in general, and it's causing bad

591
00:34:57,640 --> 00:34:58,920
Speaker 1: vibes within the body.

592
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,400
Speaker 2: I really want to hear that from a doctor's just

593
00:35:02,440 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 2: like like yeah, you know, like like everything looks good,

594
00:35:05,080 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 2: but like I'm really sorry to tell you this. You

595
00:35:06,680 --> 00:35:11,200
Speaker 2: just have too much blood. You it was just so much.

596
00:35:11,920 --> 00:35:13,719
Speaker 2: You just like we just lose like a cup or

597
00:35:13,760 --> 00:35:14,440
Speaker 2: two of blood.

598
00:35:14,600 --> 00:35:17,279
Speaker 1: You'll be good, right again, You could have you could

599
00:35:17,320 --> 00:35:19,880
Speaker 1: have some kind of issue with your blood, right, like

600
00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:23,279
Speaker 1: a balance of like hey, there's too much not enough

601
00:35:23,320 --> 00:35:27,160
Speaker 1: blood cells, too much blood cells, not enough plasma, too much.

602
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:30,000
Speaker 1: You know, I'm not a doctor to be to be

603
00:35:30,320 --> 00:35:34,760
Speaker 1: very honest with you, and so you know, don't trust

604
00:35:34,800 --> 00:35:37,680
Speaker 1: me with your blood. However, Yeah, as far as I

605
00:35:37,760 --> 00:35:41,960
Speaker 1: understand it, there there's no disease that is just like

606
00:35:42,120 --> 00:35:43,759
Speaker 1: you got too much blood son.

607
00:35:46,239 --> 00:35:49,560
Speaker 2: Yeah, but I have a question about Okay, some medicinal leeches,

608
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:53,279
Speaker 2: Like I know that like blood letting and leeches were

609
00:35:53,320 --> 00:35:54,800
Speaker 2: kind of used as just sort of like a medical

610
00:35:54,920 --> 00:35:57,160
Speaker 2: catch all for a long time where it was just

611
00:35:57,200 --> 00:35:59,680
Speaker 2: that was just kind of like the default like you know,

612
00:36:00,040 --> 00:36:01,960
Speaker 2: take a salt tablet and walk around the track once

613
00:36:02,040 --> 00:36:05,439
Speaker 2: or twice kind of solution. But is there are there

614
00:36:05,480 --> 00:36:10,360
Speaker 2: any sort of like medicinal qualities or benefits to leeches,

615
00:36:10,560 --> 00:36:13,239
Speaker 2: Like is there is there ever a situation where it

616
00:36:13,239 --> 00:36:16,480
Speaker 2: actually would make sense to use leeches to like lessen something.

617
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,440
Speaker 1: Yes, and in fact they are still used to this

618
00:36:20,640 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: day in modern medicine. So there are specific species of

619
00:36:26,239 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 1: leech such as hiroudu medicanalysis or the European medical leech,

620
00:36:31,520 --> 00:36:37,760
Speaker 1: which can be used for a variety of procedures. So leeches,

621
00:36:37,800 --> 00:36:40,200
Speaker 1: as I mentioned at the top of the show, have

622
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:44,320
Speaker 1: an anticoagulant in its saliva, and this is very helpful

623
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:47,680
Speaker 1: in aiding with blood flow. Usually it's blood flow like

624
00:36:48,320 --> 00:36:50,760
Speaker 1: into the leech so that it can drink your blood.

625
00:36:50,760 --> 00:36:54,080
Speaker 1: It's very useful for the leech, but if you are

626
00:36:54,840 --> 00:36:57,880
Speaker 1: having an issue such as with clotting or in the

627
00:36:57,920 --> 00:37:01,560
Speaker 1: case of surgery where you're grafting skin or reattaching a

628
00:37:01,640 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: finger or body part, it can be a problem to

629
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,399
Speaker 1: get blood flowing, you know, from your body into this

630
00:37:08,480 --> 00:37:14,160
Speaker 1: new attached flesh or body part. And so leeches are

631
00:37:14,239 --> 00:37:18,280
Speaker 1: actually still used to this day to prevent or treat

632
00:37:19,200 --> 00:37:25,000
Speaker 1: something called venous congestion following some plastic surgeries. So venous

633
00:37:25,040 --> 00:37:28,440
Speaker 1: congestion being like the blood is just not flowing properly

634
00:37:28,560 --> 00:37:33,160
Speaker 1: as it should, and you know, the anticoagulant in their

635
00:37:33,200 --> 00:37:38,560
Speaker 1: saliva is something that can help with blood clotting. And

636
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 1: in addition to that anticoagulant in their saliva, they also

637
00:37:42,520 --> 00:37:49,600
Speaker 1: excrete antimicrobial, anti inflammatory, and analgesic or painkilling compounds. So

638
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:53,400
Speaker 1: I do think that there could have been some cases

639
00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:57,360
Speaker 1: that pretty much by accident, they used leeches in a

640
00:37:57,360 --> 00:37:59,759
Speaker 1: way that did help the patient, you know, back in

641
00:37:59,800 --> 00:38:03,920
Speaker 1: the day. But nowadays, you know, doctors aren't just like

642
00:38:04,040 --> 00:38:07,880
Speaker 1: plucking leeches from a nearby pond and slapping them on patients.

643
00:38:08,560 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: There are like medical grade leeches that are bred and

644
00:38:11,800 --> 00:38:14,440
Speaker 1: kept specifically for medical usage.

645
00:38:14,480 --> 00:38:18,759
Speaker 2: Bread, they went to medical school degrees, they put on

646
00:38:18,800 --> 00:38:20,080
Speaker 2: little lab coats on.

647
00:38:19,960 --> 00:38:27,279
Speaker 1: Them, doctor mister sucky sucky. Yeah, and they're actually approved

648
00:38:27,360 --> 00:38:31,319
Speaker 1: by the FDA, which is h I love that, uh so,

649
00:38:33,080 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: but you know, I was wondering, like, do they actually work?

650
00:38:36,640 --> 00:38:39,960
Speaker 1: Are we kind of once again getting fooled into putting

651
00:38:40,040 --> 00:38:44,440
Speaker 1: leeches on our body by weirdo doctors? So I've been

652
00:38:44,560 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: reading the leech medicine literature and suffering through just bad, terrible,

653
00:38:53,239 --> 00:38:58,239
Speaker 1: disgusting medical pictures, so you don't have to. Uh. One

654
00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:02,799
Speaker 1: potential problem with using leeches that I've found is that

655
00:39:03,160 --> 00:39:06,719
Speaker 1: even if these are medical grade animals, they still can

656
00:39:06,920 --> 00:39:11,320
Speaker 1: have bacteria in their saliva. So people on leech therapy

657
00:39:11,360 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: are also given antibiotics to make sure that they don't

658
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:20,200
Speaker 1: get infected from the leeches bacteria. Also, you know, despite

659
00:39:20,200 --> 00:39:24,680
Speaker 1: our fun history with bood blood litting, blood loss is

660
00:39:24,719 --> 00:39:27,719
Speaker 1: not great for tissues, so if too much blood is

661
00:39:27,800 --> 00:39:31,319
Speaker 1: lost through leech therapy, it can actually hinder healing. So

662
00:39:31,400 --> 00:39:36,399
Speaker 1: there are actually definite downsides to using leeches. But I

663
00:39:36,440 --> 00:39:40,440
Speaker 1: did read a review of leech use in medicine.

664
00:39:40,480 --> 00:39:43,800
Speaker 2: Well, you're gonna say, like an Amazon review for like leeches.

665
00:39:45,520 --> 00:39:48,560
Speaker 2: This is like sucked just the right amount of blood

666
00:39:48,600 --> 00:39:50,160
Speaker 2: five stars, three.

667
00:39:49,920 --> 00:39:54,239
Speaker 1: And a half stars. Worked really well for letting out

668
00:39:54,280 --> 00:40:00,560
Speaker 1: my blood, but package arrived slightly damaged the problem with

669
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:03,120
Speaker 1: leech itself. Just the box was a little dented. I

670
00:40:03,120 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: didn't like that. I love those reviews, so yeah. But

671
00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,440
Speaker 1: in these reviews of use of leeches in medicine, do

672
00:40:10,680 --> 00:40:14,480
Speaker 1: find that they are effective in salvaging tissues that are

673
00:40:14,480 --> 00:40:19,239
Speaker 1: at risk of necrosis. So necrosis is tissue death. So

674
00:40:19,280 --> 00:40:23,800
Speaker 1: they have a success rate hovering around seventy to eighty percent,

675
00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:29,240
Speaker 1: which is pretty good. There is some evidence that more

676
00:40:29,360 --> 00:40:34,719
Speaker 1: modern approaches than that simply that more innovative approaches that

677
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:40,960
Speaker 1: simply mimic the leeches method of action using anticoagulant catheterization,

678
00:40:41,040 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 1: which is like inserting like very small tubes. Again, everything's tubes,

679
00:40:47,200 --> 00:40:50,280
Speaker 1: tubes all the way down. That these are more useful

680
00:40:50,480 --> 00:40:55,919
Speaker 1: in certain types of reconstructive surgery. So there is I

681
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,000
Speaker 1: think that we might eventually move away from the leech

682
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 1: if we can find techniques that don't come with the

683
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:05,239
Speaker 1: downsides that the leeches have in terms of like bacteria

684
00:41:06,000 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 1: and blood loss. But leeches are still definitely on the table.

685
00:41:10,719 --> 00:41:13,279
Speaker 1: I mean, I've got some leeches on my table right now.

686
00:41:14,000 --> 00:41:18,319
Speaker 1: Really I wish, I wish I want a pet leach.

687
00:41:18,480 --> 00:41:21,440
Speaker 1: I don't, but I do, but I don't, But I kind.

688
00:41:21,280 --> 00:41:24,319
Speaker 2: Of cute ears and whisker.

689
00:41:24,480 --> 00:41:27,680
Speaker 1: I could put like a tiny like if I just

690
00:41:27,880 --> 00:41:30,520
Speaker 1: sort of taped a little pair of tidy cat ears

691
00:41:30,560 --> 00:41:33,000
Speaker 1: onto a leach, and I think that'd be cute. I

692
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,480
Speaker 1: have I see I don't remember where this was, but

693
00:41:35,520 --> 00:41:37,560
Speaker 1: I think I saw someone had a pet leach and

694
00:41:37,600 --> 00:41:41,919
Speaker 1: they put like a bow on it, and I feel

695
00:41:41,920 --> 00:41:44,920
Speaker 1: like it's just like a tumbler thing or something. Yeah,

696
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,399
Speaker 1: it was, I don't know, cute in a horrible kind

697
00:41:48,440 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: of way, but yeah, I think that's the takeaway, right,

698
00:41:55,040 --> 00:41:57,760
Speaker 1: leeches are cute in a horrible kind of way. Joey,

699
00:41:57,760 --> 00:41:58,719
Speaker 1: what's your takeaway?

700
00:42:00,560 --> 00:42:04,680
Speaker 2: My takeaway is I think that we should talk about

701
00:42:05,080 --> 00:42:09,359
Speaker 2: the biggest leeches of all the federal government.

702
00:42:09,600 --> 00:42:14,719
Speaker 1: Just guessing, Wow, funny, when did this get so political?

703
00:42:16,760 --> 00:42:19,920
Speaker 2: Immediately veers into like, I don't know, like the real

704
00:42:20,000 --> 00:42:22,640
Speaker 2: leeches billionaires.

705
00:42:23,160 --> 00:42:27,080
Speaker 1: Reviews from leech Lover fifty seven. When did this show

706
00:42:27,120 --> 00:42:29,520
Speaker 1: get so political? Can we get back to the leeches?

707
00:42:29,600 --> 00:42:35,680
Speaker 2: Pare we get back to the leeches. Yeah, yeah, that's fun. Yeah, no,

708
00:42:35,760 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: I think that. Yeah, this is super interesting. Leeches seem

709
00:42:39,520 --> 00:42:41,799
Speaker 2: very cute. If a leach was if a leech was

710
00:42:41,800 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 2: a cat, I would love leeches more. And if a

711
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:46,359
Speaker 2: cat wanted to drink my blood, oh for sure, let it.

712
00:42:47,840 --> 00:42:52,040
Speaker 2: And uh yeah, leeches are real creepy. And yeah that

713
00:42:52,239 --> 00:42:56,440
Speaker 2: is the extent of my opinion on leeches. They're fine.

714
00:42:56,760 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: They're fine leeches. Yeah.

715
00:42:59,160 --> 00:43:01,880
Speaker 2: Okay, So also, I will not eat my parents.

716
00:43:02,360 --> 00:43:05,920
Speaker 1: I'm that's a coincidence because I'm not gonna eat my

717
00:43:05,960 --> 00:43:06,520
Speaker 1: parents either.

718
00:43:08,440 --> 00:43:09,280
Speaker 2: Multiple times.

719
00:43:10,360 --> 00:43:15,560
Speaker 1: So onto something that I like to call a little game.

720
00:43:16,080 --> 00:43:18,680
Speaker 1: That was a weirdly constructed sentence, but I'm leaving it

721
00:43:18,680 --> 00:43:23,680
Speaker 1: in weird game. And that game is called Guess who squawk?

722
00:43:23,719 --> 00:43:26,319
Speaker 1: And the Mystery Animal Sound Game. Every week I play

723
00:43:26,400 --> 00:43:28,720
Speaker 1: Mystery Animal sound and you, the guests, and you the listener,

724
00:43:28,719 --> 00:43:32,200
Speaker 1: try to guess who squawking. It can be any animal

725
00:43:32,239 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: in the world. Uh. Last week's mystery animal sound hint

726
00:43:39,160 --> 00:43:42,360
Speaker 1: was this don't call this little guy Fido, but you

727
00:43:42,440 --> 00:43:43,440
Speaker 1: love digging holes?

728
00:43:44,440 --> 00:43:47,840
Speaker 2: Oh whatever that is?

729
00:43:47,880 --> 00:43:52,879
Speaker 1: It sounds adorable, So, uh, you know, obviously we've got

730
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 1: two animal sounds going on here. Can you guess both

731
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:56,319
Speaker 1: of them?

732
00:43:57,480 --> 00:44:02,440
Speaker 2: Okay? One of them is a human, good job? Yeah yeah,

733
00:44:02,480 --> 00:44:05,400
Speaker 2: the other animal? Okay, So this could just be that

734
00:44:05,520 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: I just love cats so much that I imprint just

735
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:13,719
Speaker 2: the sound of cats onto everything I hear. So I

736
00:44:13,840 --> 00:44:16,799
Speaker 2: want to say that definitely sounds a little bit yawie.

737
00:44:18,120 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 2: Part of me wants to say, either a lynx or

738
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:21,239
Speaker 2: a carocle.

739
00:44:21,719 --> 00:44:23,280
Speaker 1: Is that your final answer?

740
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:28,000
Speaker 2: I would say my confidence is thirty.

741
00:44:28,520 --> 00:44:32,560
Speaker 1: But yes, I'm sorry, Joey, You're not going home with

742
00:44:32,680 --> 00:44:36,000
Speaker 1: a million dollars because this is the prairie dog and

743
00:44:36,080 --> 00:44:38,759
Speaker 1: I don't have a million dollars, so you would doubt

744
00:44:38,840 --> 00:44:40,320
Speaker 1: that anyways.

745
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:45,600
Speaker 2: No, it's the opposite of the opposite of a cat

746
00:44:45,640 --> 00:44:47,280
Speaker 2: a dog a cat.

747
00:44:47,880 --> 00:44:52,759
Speaker 1: Congratulations to Bob and Charlie, Emily M and antib who

748
00:44:52,840 --> 00:44:58,040
Speaker 1: all guessed correctly. Prairie dogs are not dogs. They are

749
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:01,320
Speaker 1: actually in the squirrel fit family. They are a species

750
00:45:01,400 --> 00:45:05,080
Speaker 1: of ground squirrels. They are found all over North America.

751
00:45:05,160 --> 00:45:09,439
Speaker 1: In Mexico. They are prodigious diggers and they help till

752
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:13,320
Speaker 1: the soil. They dig up nutrients which helps with top

753
00:45:13,360 --> 00:45:17,520
Speaker 1: soil renewal. There are actually five species of prairie dog

754
00:45:17,640 --> 00:45:20,959
Speaker 1: and they're all highly social. They live in prairie dog

755
00:45:21,040 --> 00:45:26,360
Speaker 1: towns that consist of family groups, and they also kiss

756
00:45:26,400 --> 00:45:28,279
Speaker 1: each other as a greeting. They will stand up on

757
00:45:28,320 --> 00:45:31,879
Speaker 1: their hind legs and just little little mouth, little mouth

758
00:45:31,920 --> 00:45:36,240
Speaker 1: on cheek, mouth on mouth, little Eh. It's very very cute.

759
00:45:36,280 --> 00:45:37,680
Speaker 1: They are adorable. I love them.

760
00:45:39,080 --> 00:45:40,280
Speaker 2: Ah, that's so cute.

761
00:45:41,680 --> 00:45:44,000
Speaker 1: If a prairie dog wanted to suck your blood, would

762
00:45:44,040 --> 00:45:44,440
Speaker 1: you let it?

763
00:45:45,800 --> 00:45:49,120
Speaker 2: Uh? Wait? Would try to kiss me beforehand?

764
00:45:49,200 --> 00:45:49,359
Speaker 1: Yes?

765
00:45:49,440 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 2: It does try to kiss humans. I mean, okay, wait,

766
00:45:52,480 --> 00:45:54,279
Speaker 2: is it trying to suck blood through my mouth while

767
00:45:54,360 --> 00:45:54,839
Speaker 2: kissing me?

768
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,840
Speaker 1: Or is it like kiss? It's like kiss?

769
00:45:58,239 --> 00:45:58,359
Speaker 2: Hi?

770
00:45:58,480 --> 00:46:01,600
Speaker 1: There? Howdy me? A little prey dug. Maybe he's wearing

771
00:46:01,600 --> 00:46:03,600
Speaker 1: a little cowboy hat and then he's like, hey, can

772
00:46:03,600 --> 00:46:04,719
Speaker 1: I have some of your blood?

773
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,719
Speaker 2: He's wearing a cowboy hat. Absolutely yes, yeah. If it's

774
00:46:09,040 --> 00:46:12,040
Speaker 2: any cute animal that wants to drink my blood, it's

775
00:46:12,040 --> 00:46:13,160
Speaker 2: going to be hard for me to say no.

776
00:46:13,400 --> 00:46:15,720
Speaker 1: So if I put a cowboy like a tiny cowboy

777
00:46:15,760 --> 00:46:19,320
Speaker 1: hat on a leech, would you let it suck your blood?

778
00:46:19,360 --> 00:46:21,719
Speaker 2: In this situation? Does this leech also have whiskers?

779
00:46:22,040 --> 00:46:23,680
Speaker 1: We can we can accommodate that.

780
00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:27,480
Speaker 2: Sure, yes, no, no question, yes.

781
00:46:28,200 --> 00:46:33,319
Speaker 1: All right, onto this week's mystery animal sound. The hint

782
00:46:33,760 --> 00:46:37,839
Speaker 1: this patriotic bird often doesn't get credit for its work.

783
00:46:40,320 --> 00:46:44,160
Speaker 2: So that honestly, wait time, Am I gonna listen to it?

784
00:46:44,239 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? Let me play.

785
00:46:45,160 --> 00:46:46,600
Speaker 2: I think I think I already know what it is.

786
00:46:49,840 --> 00:46:57,960
Speaker 2: Come on, Actually, before I hear the sound, I'm gonna say, uh,

787
00:46:58,719 --> 00:47:00,960
Speaker 2: And now I want to hear the sound and see

788
00:47:00,960 --> 00:47:01,520
Speaker 2: if I was right.

789
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:04,840
Speaker 1: You are absolutely correct. I think you're the first guest

790
00:47:05,160 --> 00:47:08,160
Speaker 1: who has guessed the sound without hearing the sound first

791
00:47:09,239 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: I am. I am gonna bleep out your answer because

792
00:47:13,480 --> 00:47:16,920
Speaker 1: it must remain a secret for the audience, but I

793
00:47:16,920 --> 00:47:19,200
Speaker 1: will leave in the fact that you are victorious and

794
00:47:19,239 --> 00:47:27,719
Speaker 1: you're going home with one leaches. Yay, okay, okay. So

795
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 1: here is the sound.

796
00:47:31,320 --> 00:47:35,400
Speaker 2: What's really funny about that specific bird is that oftentimes,

797
00:47:35,440 --> 00:47:38,400
Speaker 2: like for like you know, uh, Native American, you know,

798
00:47:38,520 --> 00:47:41,600
Speaker 2: characters in old westerns and stuff like that, you'll usually

799
00:47:41,600 --> 00:47:43,360
Speaker 2: hear like just this, like you know, an eagle co

800
00:47:43,600 --> 00:47:45,360
Speaker 2: while you know, if the Native character is talkyang or

801
00:47:45,400 --> 00:47:47,160
Speaker 2: something like that. Usually like I'm, you know, a sacred

802
00:47:47,200 --> 00:47:50,239
Speaker 2: medicine man, and like like and they'll show an eagle

803
00:47:50,239 --> 00:47:52,239
Speaker 2: if you heard that sound, but like, eagles do not

804
00:47:52,360 --> 00:47:54,880
Speaker 2: make that sound. Eagles make just more of like a

805
00:47:54,920 --> 00:47:59,399
Speaker 2: really like a baby kind of a like kind of sound. So,

806
00:47:59,640 --> 00:48:01,799
Speaker 2: because eagles don't sound as cool as you think that

807
00:48:01,840 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 2: they would sound old, you know, movie directors took redtail

808
00:48:05,520 --> 00:48:07,600
Speaker 2: hawk sounds and just put them over eagles because they're like,

809
00:48:07,600 --> 00:48:09,560
Speaker 2: that feels more like what an eagle would sound.

810
00:48:10,680 --> 00:48:14,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly, They're like this sounds much more majestic than

811
00:48:14,320 --> 00:48:19,640
Speaker 1: the little like weird little like giggle me all that. Yeah,

812
00:48:19,680 --> 00:48:23,839
Speaker 1: and so yeah, I'll leave that in so many hints

813
00:48:23,920 --> 00:48:27,399
Speaker 1: you guys this week. So if you think you know

814
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:33,560
Speaker 1: who is the ghost writer behind the typically what we

815
00:48:33,600 --> 00:48:38,480
Speaker 1: ascribe to eagles, right to be at Creature Feature Pod

816
00:48:38,640 --> 00:48:41,880
Speaker 1: at gmail dot com with your answers.

817
00:48:42,440 --> 00:48:44,279
Speaker 2: Joey, I just want to say, I just want to say,

818
00:48:44,320 --> 00:48:45,360
Speaker 2: eagles more.

819
00:48:45,239 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: Proud of you sound like they're exactly why do we

820
00:48:49,040 --> 00:48:53,399
Speaker 1: have to change eagles? I think they're great as is,

821
00:48:53,680 --> 00:48:56,440
Speaker 1: and like you know, it's like we should have a

822
00:48:56,480 --> 00:48:59,400
Speaker 1: Happy feat movie, but for eagles, right. That was the

823
00:48:59,440 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: thing with the Happy Feet movie. Isn't it like be

824
00:49:02,360 --> 00:49:05,160
Speaker 1: proud of your fit your whole thing, your business.

825
00:49:05,760 --> 00:49:07,520
Speaker 2: Yeah, why yeah, that sounds the right, why not.

826
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:13,360
Speaker 1: Yeah, So, Joey, thank you so much for joining me today.

827
00:49:13,719 --> 00:49:16,799
Speaker 1: Oh what are you up to? Just what's what's go?

828
00:49:16,960 --> 00:49:19,160
Speaker 1: What's your vibe? Is it too much blood? Is too

829
00:49:19,200 --> 00:49:20,360
Speaker 1: much blood your vibe?

830
00:49:20,880 --> 00:49:23,120
Speaker 2: Yeah? I feel like my vibe is this morning not

831
00:49:23,280 --> 00:49:24,880
Speaker 2: enough blood. But I'm gonna have a nice cup of

832
00:49:24,880 --> 00:49:26,680
Speaker 2: blood after this. Just really blood up?

833
00:49:27,120 --> 00:49:28,120
Speaker 1: Is it your parents' blood?

834
00:49:29,719 --> 00:49:34,920
Speaker 2: I've already said on the record, Yeah, yeah, I'm good.

835
00:49:35,000 --> 00:49:37,080
Speaker 2: I just came out with a really good digital series

836
00:49:37,120 --> 00:49:41,280
Speaker 2: called gon Native. It's a series of animated comedy PSAs

837
00:49:41,320 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 2: and I'm just like weird my coroaggressions that Native American

838
00:49:43,440 --> 00:49:46,400
Speaker 2: indigenous people deal with on a regular basis. You can

839
00:49:46,440 --> 00:49:49,320
Speaker 2: check all those out at Gonnative dot tv. That's super fun.

840
00:49:50,400 --> 00:49:55,319
Speaker 2: And then yeah, you can follow me on Twitter, Instagram

841
00:49:55,480 --> 00:49:59,120
Speaker 2: and blue You can follow me on Twitter, TikTok and

842
00:49:59,239 --> 00:50:01,759
Speaker 2: blue Sky at Joey Tainment, And you can follow me

843
00:50:01,840 --> 00:50:06,040
Speaker 2: on Instagram at Joey Cliff with like five or six

844
00:50:06,120 --> 00:50:09,279
Speaker 2: eyes because a twelve year old took Joey Cliff with

845
00:50:09,320 --> 00:50:13,239
Speaker 2: one eyes and I've just got a deal. And then uh, yeah,

846
00:50:13,280 --> 00:50:16,479
Speaker 2: so check out my digital series. Watch that and then uh,

847
00:50:16,520 --> 00:50:19,520
Speaker 2: you know, just uh buy a leach and let it

848
00:50:19,560 --> 00:50:21,280
Speaker 2: suck your blood. I'm gonna promote leeches.

849
00:50:21,520 --> 00:50:25,120
Speaker 1: I'm legally required to say that you shouldn't buy a

850
00:50:25,200 --> 00:50:28,920
Speaker 1: leech and let it suck your blood by my lawyer.

851
00:50:29,719 --> 00:50:33,840
Speaker 1: But hey, lawyers, am I right leeches themselves. I'm kidding

852
00:50:33,840 --> 00:50:36,319
Speaker 1: I very much that I.

853
00:50:38,360 --> 00:50:40,279
Speaker 2: Was trying to think of what it's like, what's the

854
00:50:40,400 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 2: joke of like a human leech right as federal government billionaires?

855
00:50:45,200 --> 00:50:47,160
Speaker 2: But no, I feel like lawyers is a good except

856
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:49,000
Speaker 2: for my lawyer. My lawyers greater, you.

857
00:50:48,960 --> 00:50:51,360
Speaker 1: Know what, Like, lawyers have a job to do to

858
00:50:51,440 --> 00:50:54,480
Speaker 1: keep our judicial system afloat, and I think it's weird

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Speaker 1: that we're like, hey, they're leeches, so you know, yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I'm I'm not. I'm not gonna i'm us unless the

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Speaker 2: Works, right, I mean, to be fair, my lawyer does

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Speaker 2: drink a cup of blood every.

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Speaker 1: Day, So look, you gotta have a little bit of

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Speaker 1: the courtroom. You gotta have that blood energy, that sanguine

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Speaker 1: humor going on there. Well, we've slandered enough people on

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Speaker 1: this podcast, I think, so, Hey, thank you so much

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Leeches, leeches, leeches, leeches, leeches, leeches, les leeches. Yeah,

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