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Speaker 1: Now here's a highlight from Coast to Coast am on

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Speaker 1: iHeartRadio and welcome back to Coast to Coast George Nori

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Speaker 1: with your astrologer. Market Learner graduated from Michigan State University,

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Speaker 1: as my sisters did, with high honors and a BA

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Speaker 1: in Social science. In nineteen seventy two. He completed an

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Speaker 1: intensive one year training course in professional astrology and began

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Speaker 1: his career hearing how they summoned other dimensions to growth,

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Speaker 1: thriving gardens and the bar and soils of northern Scotland.

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Speaker 1: Mark joined the Finnhorn community back in nineteen seventy six.

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Speaker 1: He came back to the United States in nineteen eighty

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Speaker 1: and eventually published a Welcome to Planet Earth journal, which

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Speaker 1: has reached thousands of astrological students and pros all around

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Speaker 1: the world. It became well respected as one of the

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Speaker 1: top period articles concerning what they call mundane astrology, and

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Speaker 1: that's focusing on the higher destiny of nations, humanity, and

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Speaker 1: good old Earth. His website, Great Bear Enterprises dot com

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Speaker 1: linked up for you at Coast to Coast dot com.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to the program. Always great having you on. Well,

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Speaker 1: thank you very much for having me, it's great to

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Speaker 1: be back on George. What was it about astrology that

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Speaker 1: captured your attention back there in nineteen seventy two. Oh boy,

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Speaker 1: I told the story a little bit, but I was

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Speaker 1: my dad was a doctor. I didn't focus when I

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Speaker 1: was at Michigan State on following through with that after

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Speaker 1: I graduated. Didn't know what I wanted to do. At

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Speaker 1: one point he got very very ill, decided I'd go

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Speaker 1: to Columbia University for a summer training in chemistry. And

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Speaker 1: on the first day of taking a chemistry class in

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Speaker 1: June of seventy two, as I was coming home, walked

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Speaker 1: into a bookstore and I saw a book called Astrology

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Speaker 1: the Space Age Science, and I opened it up. I

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Speaker 1: wounded up buying it. It was all about Copernicus, Kepler, Galileo,

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Speaker 1: and Sir Isaac Newton. And the book was describing how

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Speaker 1: these great physicists were fantastic before the before Einstein. But

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Speaker 1: the biographers who wrote about all these great physicists and

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Speaker 1: astronomers said they had one fatal floor. They all were

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Speaker 1: believers in astrology. And so that hooked me and right

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Speaker 1: at the beginning, and that started all my reading and

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Speaker 1: astrology well, you're one of the best at it, and

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Speaker 1: you make it very understandable for a lot of people.

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Speaker 1: You've almost turned it into a science, haven't you. Well.

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Speaker 1: I always hesitate to use that word because fundamentally, with science, again,

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Speaker 1: I just brought up these physicists and so on, where

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Speaker 1: you have all those rules where you can kind of

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Speaker 1: reproduce everything in science, whereas what happens with astrology, we

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Speaker 1: do have these orbits and returns. For instance, the largest planet,

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Speaker 1: Jupiter has almost exactly a twelve year cycle, the second

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Speaker 1: largest planet has a cycle about twenty nine years, and

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Speaker 1: so astrologers focusing on individual charting, which I've also have

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Speaker 1: done for almost fifty years now, or the mundane earth

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Speaker 1: national inter national astrology we're always dealing with is history

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Speaker 1: repeating itself? And I'm sure we'll be talking about that

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Speaker 1: So it's very hard to sort of say, you know, scientifically,

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Speaker 1: everything is back to where it was. However, if we

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Speaker 1: think astrology would be considered and will eventually be considered

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Speaker 1: a science. What contributes the most to astrology planetary alignments

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Speaker 1: or star systems. Well, you know, if you go back

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Speaker 1: people magi astronomer astrologers. The great thing about going back

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Speaker 1: pageantry of the heavens, it was more of connection to stars.

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Speaker 1: They didn't have telescopes. I mean, of course you know

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Speaker 1: from your work on the History Channel and everything else

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Speaker 1: that you've done that if we go back to Atlantis,

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Speaker 1: Edgar Casey teachings, Rudolf Steiner, the Theosophical Society, a lot

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Speaker 1: of my work with what's called Lucius Trust, dot Org

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Speaker 1: and Fintorn, we get these records, right, what was really

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Speaker 1: happening with the Great Pyramid? You know, what was Atlantis

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Speaker 1: civilizations which I firmly believe in. I'm sure it's not

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Speaker 1: had a strange couple of years. Mark, are we going

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Speaker 1: been going through what we call an oppositional polarity between Neptune,

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Speaker 1: and that's the prelude to this year, that was in

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Speaker 1: the next two weeks where Pluto, you know, the astronomer

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Speaker 1: It's in my podcast what's called Astroscope back at Great

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Speaker 1: Bear Enterprises. You know, people can tune into all that. Meanwhile,

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Speaker 1: more about this Pluto coming back for the first time ever,

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Speaker 1: Is that fair? Yeah? Sure, and then we'll take phone

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