1
00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:04,640
Speaker 1: It's Sunday, August thirty first, twenty twenty five. Welcome to

2
00:00:04,680 --> 00:00:08,560
Speaker 1: Real America's Voice News. This is Sunday They rode forward.

3
00:00:09,080 --> 00:00:11,160
Speaker 1: I just want to take a moment to honor the

4
00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:14,800
Speaker 1: life and legacy of doctor James Dobson, who had profound

5
00:00:14,920 --> 00:00:18,200
Speaker 1: impact on so many in this great nation. He was

6
00:00:18,239 --> 00:00:21,400
Speaker 1: a faithful servant of Christ and a champion of marriage, family,

7
00:00:21,440 --> 00:00:25,040
Speaker 1: and the sanctity of life. Doctor Dobson had an unwavering

8
00:00:25,040 --> 00:00:28,720
Speaker 1: commitment to Biblical truth, taking critical stands at times when

9
00:00:28,720 --> 00:00:33,640
Speaker 1: it was most costly and never convenient. Doctor Dobson equipped

10
00:00:33,800 --> 00:00:38,320
Speaker 1: millions of parents, grandparents, spouses, and fellow believers with the

11
00:00:38,360 --> 00:00:42,960
Speaker 1: tools necessary to build godly lives of character and resilience.

12
00:00:43,320 --> 00:00:48,159
Speaker 1: His voice and his writings reached countless lives with clarity, conviction,

13
00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:52,840
Speaker 1: and courage. He was ministering to a world turned upside down.

14
00:00:53,360 --> 00:00:56,720
Speaker 1: Doctor Dobson founded Focus on the Family nearly fifty years ago.

15
00:00:56,840 --> 00:01:01,720
Speaker 1: He courageously pushed back against secular authorities. Heism the sexualization

16
00:01:01,800 --> 00:01:05,000
Speaker 1: of children, the disintegration of marriage, and the war on

17
00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,200
Speaker 1: the womb. He was a close friend and ally with

18
00:01:08,440 --> 00:01:12,160
Speaker 1: doctor Jerry Folwell, Billy Graham, Tim Lahey d, James Kennedy,

19
00:01:12,480 --> 00:01:16,920
Speaker 1: and many other conservative stalwarts in the fight to preserve

20
00:01:17,160 --> 00:01:23,520
Speaker 1: American freedom. Founding Family Research Council in nineteen eighty one,

21
00:01:23,560 --> 00:01:27,880
Speaker 1: he worked tirelessly to promote religious liberty and biblical values

22
00:01:27,920 --> 00:01:32,280
Speaker 1: in the public square. More than anything, doctor Dobson had

23
00:01:32,319 --> 00:01:35,920
Speaker 1: an unwavering commitment to the Gospel of Jesus Christ. He

24
00:01:36,040 --> 00:01:41,039
Speaker 1: knew a strong spiritual and moral framework was fundamental to

25
00:01:41,200 --> 00:01:46,080
Speaker 1: healthy lives, healthy families, and a flourishing society, the key

26
00:01:46,480 --> 00:01:49,680
Speaker 1: to true American freedom. I once had the distinct honor

27
00:01:49,840 --> 00:01:52,840
Speaker 1: of meeting doctor Dobson as a young adult and will

28
00:01:52,920 --> 00:01:58,000
Speaker 1: never forget his uncompromising conviction and his heartfelt compassion for

29
00:01:58,080 --> 00:02:02,560
Speaker 1: those he sought to read, help and heal. We will

30
00:02:02,680 --> 00:02:06,800
Speaker 1: all miss him dearly. Our scripture reading today comes from

31
00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:10,000
Speaker 1: Psalm chapter ninety, verse twelve. So teach us to number

32
00:02:10,040 --> 00:02:14,720
Speaker 1: our days that we may get a heart of wisdom.

33
00:02:14,919 --> 00:02:17,040
Speaker 1: As always, we want to be an encouragement to our

34
00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:20,920
Speaker 1: viewers and listeners to hold fast to the Gospel and

35
00:02:20,960 --> 00:02:24,040
Speaker 1: the unchanging Word of God. I'm Ryan Helfenbind filling in

36
00:02:24,080 --> 00:03:23,040
Speaker 1: for doctor Tim Clinton. I'll be your host today.

37
00:02:55,800 --> 00:02:58,679
Speaker 2: For more encouragement and to stay connected, follow doctor Tim

38
00:02:58,720 --> 00:03:01,880
Speaker 2: Clinton on Facebook and stag in X we love being

39
00:03:01,880 --> 00:03:09,120
Speaker 2: a part of your life.

40
00:03:10,880 --> 00:03:13,520
Speaker 1: Joining us now is Amy Robbins. She is the founder

41
00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,800
Speaker 1: in CEO of Alexo Athletica and a steadfast champion for

42
00:03:17,880 --> 00:03:21,160
Speaker 1: our American freedoms. Amy, thank you for joining Sunday the

43
00:03:21,200 --> 00:03:24,120
Speaker 1: Road Forward. Great to see you, Ryan.

44
00:03:24,240 --> 00:03:25,840
Speaker 3: Thank you so much for having me. You know, this

45
00:03:25,880 --> 00:03:27,880
Speaker 3: is one of my favorite shows to come on and

46
00:03:27,919 --> 00:03:28,280
Speaker 3: talk to.

47
00:03:28,680 --> 00:03:31,040
Speaker 1: I feel honored by the way. I know you're busy,

48
00:03:31,160 --> 00:03:35,920
Speaker 1: you're a mom, and you have a life with kids,

49
00:03:36,040 --> 00:03:40,360
Speaker 1: and you're having to negotiate schedules. You said yes to us,

50
00:03:40,560 --> 00:03:42,840
Speaker 1: you say no to other people, So I'm honored to

51
00:03:42,880 --> 00:03:43,360
Speaker 1: have you on.

52
00:03:44,040 --> 00:03:45,800
Speaker 3: Well, the biggest thing right now I'm having to deal

53
00:03:45,840 --> 00:03:48,200
Speaker 3: with is hoping that my daughter, who has not gone

54
00:03:48,240 --> 00:03:51,000
Speaker 3: back to our Mother's day Out yet, doesn't decide to

55
00:03:51,040 --> 00:03:54,640
Speaker 3: make her first appearance on Real America's Voice here in

56
00:03:54,680 --> 00:03:55,600
Speaker 3: the next few minutes.

57
00:03:56,120 --> 00:03:59,240
Speaker 1: Hey, if she makes an appearance, we'll welcome. We'll welcome

58
00:03:59,280 --> 00:04:02,560
Speaker 1: the next guest. So Amy, you know, I'd be remissed

59
00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:06,400
Speaker 1: on a week like this not to recall and recount

60
00:04:06,400 --> 00:04:10,120
Speaker 1: the legacy the life of doctor James Dobson, Uh, somebody

61
00:04:10,120 --> 00:04:13,160
Speaker 1: I had the privilege of meeting many years ago. He

62
00:04:13,440 --> 00:04:15,760
Speaker 1: founded focus on the family. He knew that the family

63
00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:19,599
Speaker 1: was foundational to freedom. I think of something that Edmund

64
00:04:19,640 --> 00:04:23,560
Speaker 1: Burke said that the family is the bedrock of civilization.

65
00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,920
Speaker 1: They are the platoons of freedom. You're you're a wife,

66
00:04:26,960 --> 00:04:30,360
Speaker 1: you're a mother, you love your precious children. What does

67
00:04:30,400 --> 00:04:31,839
Speaker 1: doctor Dobson mean to you?

68
00:04:32,640 --> 00:04:36,080
Speaker 3: Well, we were a big Dobson family growing up in

69
00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:39,560
Speaker 3: the church. We listened to his books on tape. I

70
00:04:39,600 --> 00:04:42,200
Speaker 3: know I'm dating myself by saying that we read a

71
00:04:42,200 --> 00:04:44,040
Speaker 3: lot of their books, and my mom and dad did.

72
00:04:44,320 --> 00:04:46,200
Speaker 3: And then as I've gotten older, I really started pay

73
00:04:46,200 --> 00:04:48,680
Speaker 3: attention to a lot of the work that he advocated for.

74
00:04:48,760 --> 00:04:52,160
Speaker 3: I loved his advocacy for homeschooling. I think it was

75
00:04:52,920 --> 00:04:56,080
Speaker 3: you know, he laid a wonderful foundation for what we're

76
00:04:56,120 --> 00:04:59,680
Speaker 3: seeing now. And I believe this rise of homeschool family

77
00:05:00,000 --> 00:05:02,480
Speaker 3: and it's one of the reasons that we chose that

78
00:05:02,640 --> 00:05:06,320
Speaker 3: route for our own family. And a big reason is

79
00:05:06,360 --> 00:05:08,839
Speaker 3: because you know exactly what you were just talking about.

80
00:05:09,040 --> 00:05:12,080
Speaker 3: Those foundations, the bedrock, those are things that are not

81
00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,279
Speaker 3: going to get taught in the public school system anymore.

82
00:05:15,360 --> 00:05:17,520
Speaker 3: And we really have to take the role and the

83
00:05:17,560 --> 00:05:20,600
Speaker 3: responsibility in our own lives to train and teach this

84
00:05:20,640 --> 00:05:22,840
Speaker 3: next generation of little warriors to go out there and

85
00:05:22,960 --> 00:05:25,279
Speaker 3: you know, be be the fighters for Christ.

86
00:05:25,520 --> 00:05:30,080
Speaker 1: Amen. You know I would be remiss too just thinking about,

87
00:05:30,680 --> 00:05:33,919
Speaker 1: you know, the future of security when it comes to

88
00:05:33,960 --> 00:05:37,080
Speaker 1: the safety of our families. We think about many families

89
00:05:37,200 --> 00:05:40,000
Speaker 1: right now across the nation. They're gathered in you know,

90
00:05:40,240 --> 00:05:44,400
Speaker 1: major cities, sprawling populations. We see that there is a

91
00:05:44,480 --> 00:05:52,800
Speaker 1: big problem with crime, with all kinds of just lunacy

92
00:05:52,960 --> 00:05:56,200
Speaker 1: in our cities. Right this is the coalescence of all

93
00:05:56,240 --> 00:05:59,920
Speaker 1: the crazies they seem to come to our cities. More recently,

94
00:06:00,160 --> 00:06:04,440
Speaker 1: the President of the United States just move to federalize

95
00:06:04,520 --> 00:06:08,440
Speaker 1: d C Metro the police department there. I go to

96
00:06:08,520 --> 00:06:10,920
Speaker 1: d C all the time. I'm just a few hours

97
00:06:11,040 --> 00:06:13,400
Speaker 1: drive from d C. Was there just a couple of

98
00:06:13,400 --> 00:06:16,799
Speaker 1: weeks ago with a family eating at a pizza parlor.

99
00:06:17,600 --> 00:06:20,880
Speaker 1: It's a dangerous area, it really has been for some time.

100
00:06:21,520 --> 00:06:26,200
Speaker 1: You're in a major metropolitan area, major city as well,

101
00:06:26,800 --> 00:06:29,559
Speaker 1: we see it. What do you think of this move

102
00:06:30,000 --> 00:06:32,240
Speaker 1: by the president and what are you seeing when it

103
00:06:32,279 --> 00:06:34,760
Speaker 1: comes to law and order in these major cities.

104
00:06:35,440 --> 00:06:39,599
Speaker 3: Well, we don't just see it, Ryan, we actually feel

105
00:06:39,600 --> 00:06:41,360
Speaker 3: it those of us who are on the ground that

106
00:06:41,440 --> 00:06:45,440
Speaker 3: live in these major cities which tend to lean blue

107
00:06:45,680 --> 00:06:48,880
Speaker 3: or they have, you know, Democrat leadership running the cities.

108
00:06:48,920 --> 00:06:51,400
Speaker 3: It's very interesting even here in Dallas. You know, this

109
00:06:51,560 --> 00:06:55,039
Speaker 3: problem is not just something that they're seeing in d

110
00:06:55,120 --> 00:06:57,800
Speaker 3: C or Chicago or Compton at landol like, we're seeing

111
00:06:57,800 --> 00:07:00,440
Speaker 3: it in Dallas too. And what we're seeing is that

112
00:07:00,480 --> 00:07:03,600
Speaker 3: the Democrat leaders across the country continue to parrot this

113
00:07:03,720 --> 00:07:07,480
Speaker 3: narrative that their cities are safer or they get excited

114
00:07:07,640 --> 00:07:10,440
Speaker 3: when let's say the homicide rate goes down by maybe

115
00:07:10,480 --> 00:07:14,840
Speaker 3: a handful and they start to tell those type of stats, which, now,

116
00:07:14,960 --> 00:07:17,320
Speaker 3: how can we even rely on those stats anymore. We're

117
00:07:17,320 --> 00:07:19,920
Speaker 3: seeing this big scandal coming out of DC, but we

118
00:07:20,000 --> 00:07:22,080
Speaker 3: deal with the same thing in Dallas, Texas, where our

119
00:07:22,120 --> 00:07:24,040
Speaker 3: elected officials want to tell all of us that we're

120
00:07:24,080 --> 00:07:26,280
Speaker 3: safe and sound, But when you're on the ground and

121
00:07:26,320 --> 00:07:29,360
Speaker 3: you're walking around in the downtown area, you don't feel that.

122
00:07:29,440 --> 00:07:33,040
Speaker 3: You see, the homelessness is up by over fifty percent

123
00:07:33,200 --> 00:07:37,800
Speaker 3: in Dallas. The aggravated assaults the violent crime rate. While

124
00:07:37,840 --> 00:07:41,520
Speaker 3: they say it's down, you still hear stories every single

125
00:07:41,600 --> 00:07:45,120
Speaker 3: day about it. We are having a record murder homicide

126
00:07:45,200 --> 00:07:48,080
Speaker 3: rate right now in downtown Dallas, and so, you know,

127
00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,000
Speaker 3: I like that President Trump has decided to take action

128
00:07:52,200 --> 00:07:55,000
Speaker 3: and show that there can be a blueprint to just

129
00:07:55,160 --> 00:07:58,480
Speaker 3: do something to make progress, make people safer, if you

130
00:07:58,480 --> 00:08:02,000
Speaker 3: would just stop playing politics. So many times in these cities,

131
00:08:02,000 --> 00:08:06,680
Speaker 3: we start to see these Democrat leaders prioritize illegal immigrants

132
00:08:06,680 --> 00:08:10,080
Speaker 3: and prioritize criminals over the safety of their own people,

133
00:08:10,160 --> 00:08:12,040
Speaker 3: and that's just an absolute shame.

134
00:08:13,160 --> 00:08:17,400
Speaker 1: I wholeheartedly agree. We saw more recently pictures of National

135
00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:22,200
Speaker 1: guardsmen being gathered at major train stations and other places

136
00:08:22,240 --> 00:08:27,520
Speaker 1: where people use mass transportation, and many of the citizens

137
00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:32,319
Speaker 1: have had a positive reaction, getting their photographs thanking men

138
00:08:32,360 --> 00:08:37,720
Speaker 1: and women in uniform showing strength and showing security. I

139
00:08:37,760 --> 00:08:41,559
Speaker 1: think there's other cities that are crying for help, but

140
00:08:41,960 --> 00:08:44,880
Speaker 1: they're not going to get it because of the politics.

141
00:08:45,360 --> 00:08:48,920
Speaker 1: Why is it, Why is it that the left in

142
00:08:49,000 --> 00:08:54,559
Speaker 1: particular has so much animosity towards their own citizens, and

143
00:08:54,600 --> 00:08:58,520
Speaker 1: you named it earlier, they will prioritize people of almost

144
00:08:58,559 --> 00:09:04,240
Speaker 1: any ethnicity anyality but the United States, and any worldview

145
00:09:04,679 --> 00:09:08,200
Speaker 1: outside of Christianity. It would seem even those that are

146
00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:12,560
Speaker 1: dangerous and destructive to the general welfare of the public.

147
00:09:13,840 --> 00:09:17,520
Speaker 1: It seems as though they'll prize or champion any other worldview,

148
00:09:17,760 --> 00:09:20,600
Speaker 1: any other nationality, but they don't want to put Americans first.

149
00:09:20,640 --> 00:09:23,079
Speaker 3: Why is that, well, that's well, I think it's because

150
00:09:23,120 --> 00:09:26,360
Speaker 3: politics is their religion, and power is their doctor in it,

151
00:09:26,400 --> 00:09:29,480
Speaker 3: and they're going to do anything to keep themselves in power.

152
00:09:29,880 --> 00:09:32,680
Speaker 3: And what I think is so important right now that

153
00:09:32,720 --> 00:09:35,640
Speaker 3: we are watching unfold and play out in DC is

154
00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:38,640
Speaker 3: exactly how President Trump is saying, let me show you

155
00:09:38,679 --> 00:09:40,960
Speaker 3: how this is done. We're going to make an example

156
00:09:41,040 --> 00:09:42,600
Speaker 3: out of DC. We're going to show you that it

157
00:09:42,679 --> 00:09:45,880
Speaker 3: is possible. Just like what he is doing at the border,

158
00:09:46,080 --> 00:09:48,439
Speaker 3: It just took somebody stepping up and taking action.

159
00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:49,160
Speaker 4: Ryan.

160
00:09:49,360 --> 00:09:51,680
Speaker 3: He took action at the border, he took action with

161
00:09:51,760 --> 00:09:55,080
Speaker 3: our tariffs. He's taking action in DC to you know,

162
00:09:55,160 --> 00:09:57,960
Speaker 3: to bring back law and order. And those are all

163
00:09:58,000 --> 00:10:00,280
Speaker 3: the things that he ran on in his campaign. So

164
00:10:00,440 --> 00:10:03,080
Speaker 3: nobody should be surprised that he's doing this. I think

165
00:10:03,080 --> 00:10:05,839
Speaker 3: the most surprising thing is that somebody is just doing

166
00:10:05,880 --> 00:10:09,239
Speaker 3: something They're just doing something that is getting real tangible

167
00:10:09,400 --> 00:10:11,800
Speaker 3: results on the ground, and we are just not used

168
00:10:11,840 --> 00:10:13,160
Speaker 3: to seeing politicians do that.

169
00:10:13,520 --> 00:10:19,400
Speaker 1: Yes, you, in addition to being a wife and a mother,

170
00:10:19,559 --> 00:10:24,080
Speaker 1: you've also advocated for many years for the responsible, safe

171
00:10:24,120 --> 00:10:26,400
Speaker 1: ownership of guns. This is one of the things that

172
00:10:27,240 --> 00:10:31,400
Speaker 1: Alexo Athletica has done, you know, in terms of athletic

173
00:10:31,440 --> 00:10:33,920
Speaker 1: where I do I do want to talk a little

174
00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:35,840
Speaker 1: bit about that, because at the end of the day,

175
00:10:36,840 --> 00:10:40,360
Speaker 1: there's only so much that law and order can do.

176
00:10:40,559 --> 00:10:44,959
Speaker 1: I mean, citizens have to protect themselves and defend themselves responsibly.

177
00:10:45,720 --> 00:10:48,080
Speaker 1: And so you know, as a wife, as a mother,

178
00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:52,080
Speaker 1: as a Christian parent, how do we go about doing this?

179
00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,280
Speaker 3: Well, I mean you nailed it on the head. Look,

180
00:10:55,559 --> 00:10:59,120
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter if we deployed every single National Guard

181
00:10:59,160 --> 00:11:03,120
Speaker 3: member across city major city in this country. There's still

182
00:11:03,160 --> 00:11:05,560
Speaker 3: not going to be enough to outnumber all of the

183
00:11:05,600 --> 00:11:08,040
Speaker 3: bad guys that are out there. So the best thing

184
00:11:08,080 --> 00:11:11,280
Speaker 3: that we can do as women, as men and women

185
00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,520
Speaker 3: in this country is to be our first line of defense.

186
00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:18,000
Speaker 3: So be prepared, have a tool that you feel comfortable using.

187
00:11:18,320 --> 00:11:20,240
Speaker 3: For me, in Texas, I have my license to carry

188
00:11:20,440 --> 00:11:23,400
Speaker 3: and I'm a big proponent for going and taking those

189
00:11:23,440 --> 00:11:27,120
Speaker 3: steps to be a responsible gun owner so that when

190
00:11:27,200 --> 00:11:30,160
Speaker 3: seconds matter, you have something to take care of yourself

191
00:11:30,160 --> 00:11:32,120
Speaker 3: instead of having to wait on somebody else to come

192
00:11:32,160 --> 00:11:34,440
Speaker 3: and protect you, which we know most of the time

193
00:11:34,480 --> 00:11:37,000
Speaker 3: the cops can't be there when seconds matter.

194
00:11:38,240 --> 00:11:42,679
Speaker 1: That's exactly right. And so I just want to hear

195
00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:45,079
Speaker 1: a little bit about your brand as well and what

196
00:11:45,520 --> 00:11:46,319
Speaker 1: you guys offer.

197
00:11:47,200 --> 00:11:47,440
Speaker 2: Yeah.

198
00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:50,840
Speaker 3: Absolutely so. Our brand is Alexo Athletica that actually means

199
00:11:50,880 --> 00:11:52,679
Speaker 3: to defend and help, and we were the very first

200
00:11:52,720 --> 00:11:56,439
Speaker 3: concealed carry active wear line on the market that originally

201
00:11:56,600 --> 00:11:59,679
Speaker 3: was designed to empower women to take their safety back

202
00:11:59,679 --> 00:12:01,960
Speaker 3: into their their own hands however they saw fit, whether

203
00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:04,320
Speaker 3: that was they had a license to carry, whether it

204
00:12:04,360 --> 00:12:06,320
Speaker 3: was mace or a taser or some other type of

205
00:12:06,320 --> 00:12:09,240
Speaker 3: self defense tool. We wanted to empower women with the

206
00:12:09,360 --> 00:12:12,240
Speaker 3: choice and the right to be able to take care

207
00:12:12,280 --> 00:12:14,920
Speaker 3: of themselves and their families should the situation arise.

208
00:12:15,120 --> 00:12:18,199
Speaker 1: Yeah. Amy Robbins, thank you so much for coming on.

209
00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:20,200
Speaker 1: No one could have said it better this morning. I

210
00:12:20,240 --> 00:12:24,000
Speaker 1: really appreciate all you're doing to champion freedom in our country.

211
00:12:24,800 --> 00:12:25,760
Speaker 3: Well, thanks for having me on.

212
00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:26,120
Speaker 5: Ryan.

213
00:12:33,400 --> 00:12:36,160
Speaker 6: Hi everyone, I'm doctor Tim Clinton, and you know how

214
00:12:36,240 --> 00:12:40,640
Speaker 6: important this is. It's my phone, it's my lifeline. It

215
00:12:40,679 --> 00:12:43,360
Speaker 6: connects me with loved ones and business throughout the day,

216
00:12:43,920 --> 00:12:47,160
Speaker 6: keeping informed about the world around us. And that's why

217
00:12:47,320 --> 00:12:51,040
Speaker 6: my self service and data they're so important to me.

218
00:12:51,600 --> 00:12:54,400
Speaker 6: They have to be reliable, safe, secure, and that's why

219
00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:58,400
Speaker 6: I use Patriot Mobile. Patriot Mobile is leading the way

220
00:12:58,880 --> 00:13:03,719
Speaker 6: as America's only Christian conservative wireless provider, and you can

221
00:13:03,840 --> 00:13:09,480
Speaker 6: enjoy nationwide coverage with access to all three major US networks,

222
00:13:09,480 --> 00:13:13,040
Speaker 6: that's right. Most importantly, when you switch to Patriot Mobile,

223
00:13:13,280 --> 00:13:15,640
Speaker 6: you'll be supporting faith, family, and freedom.

224
00:13:16,080 --> 00:13:16,480
Speaker 7: That's right.

225
00:13:16,480 --> 00:13:20,800
Speaker 6: The folks at Patriot they've got four core values centered

226
00:13:20,800 --> 00:13:24,920
Speaker 6: on defending God and country and supporting our military and

227
00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:28,280
Speaker 6: the sanctity of life. I appreciate that switching.

228
00:13:28,720 --> 00:13:29,320
Speaker 7: It's easy.

229
00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:33,840
Speaker 6: Keep your number and phone, or you can upgrade, make

230
00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:37,680
Speaker 6: the move and defend your values without sacrificing quality or service.

231
00:13:37,840 --> 00:13:41,800
Speaker 6: All you have to do is visit Patriotmobile dot com again,

232
00:13:41,880 --> 00:13:47,520
Speaker 6: that's Patriotmobile dot com forward slash Road Forward. Or you

233
00:13:47,559 --> 00:13:52,600
Speaker 6: can call nine seven two nine seven two Patriot that's

234
00:13:52,720 --> 00:13:55,360
Speaker 6: nine seven to two Patriot. You get a free month

235
00:13:55,679 --> 00:13:58,640
Speaker 6: with the promo code road forward. Let me repeat that

236
00:13:59,440 --> 00:14:02,559
Speaker 6: if you use the code road forward, you're going to

237
00:14:02,760 --> 00:14:06,199
Speaker 6: receive a free month of service. Hey, everybody can use that.

238
00:14:06,240 --> 00:14:08,760
Speaker 6: The information is right there on your screen. Visit again

239
00:14:08,880 --> 00:14:13,640
Speaker 6: Patriotmobile dot com forward slash road forward or call nine

240
00:14:13,679 --> 00:14:16,400
Speaker 6: to seven to two Patriot to get a free month

241
00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:21,520
Speaker 6: of cellular service with the promo code road forward. Patriot

242
00:14:21,520 --> 00:14:24,240
Speaker 6: Mobiles prices are very competitive, with plans starting as low

243
00:14:24,280 --> 00:14:28,000
Speaker 6: as twenty six dollars. That's twenty six dollars, a terrific

244
00:14:28,040 --> 00:14:30,640
Speaker 6: offer from a great company that shares our values in

245
00:14:30,680 --> 00:14:33,000
Speaker 6: standing with us for such a time as this.

246
00:14:40,960 --> 00:14:44,000
Speaker 1: Joining us now is Kevin Freeman. He is currently the

247
00:14:44,040 --> 00:14:47,840
Speaker 1: founder and CEO of Freeman Global Holdings. He is a

248
00:14:47,880 --> 00:14:50,960
Speaker 1: New York Times best selling author and host of The

249
00:14:51,000 --> 00:14:54,040
Speaker 1: Economic War Room on Blaze TV. Kevin, thank you for

250
00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:55,680
Speaker 1: joining us. It's great to see you.

251
00:14:56,480 --> 00:14:57,320
Speaker 5: Oh, good to see you.

252
00:14:57,400 --> 00:14:57,760
Speaker 7: Ryan.

253
00:14:58,160 --> 00:15:01,280
Speaker 1: I appreciate so much what are doing over at Economic

254
00:15:01,320 --> 00:15:03,760
Speaker 1: War Room. Certainly to sound the alarm when it comes

255
00:15:03,800 --> 00:15:10,680
Speaker 1: to gold currency transactional gold. The fact that you know,

256
00:15:10,720 --> 00:15:14,320
Speaker 1: you look around the country, so many socialist policies are

257
00:15:14,440 --> 00:15:19,280
Speaker 1: robbing America of its riches and of its future. I'm

258
00:15:19,280 --> 00:15:22,680
Speaker 1: looking at what's happening in the New York City mayoral race.

259
00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:29,640
Speaker 1: Both Democrats and Republicans are concerned for different reasons, over

260
00:15:29,680 --> 00:15:34,360
Speaker 1: the candidacy of zor and Mamdani. I look at Zorin,

261
00:15:34,440 --> 00:15:37,840
Speaker 1: I see his popularity, his rise, all of the things

262
00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:41,680
Speaker 1: that he's sort of promoting. These are radical policies when

263
00:15:41,680 --> 00:15:45,600
Speaker 1: it comes to America's economic system and our heritage and

264
00:15:45,640 --> 00:15:50,080
Speaker 1: our history being the premier capitalist society in the world.

265
00:15:50,760 --> 00:15:54,960
Speaker 1: And yet he's talking about all kinds of crazy ideas

266
00:15:55,080 --> 00:15:58,680
Speaker 1: when it comes to economics and distribution and everything else.

267
00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:03,560
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about why he's resonating in

268
00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:05,360
Speaker 1: politics and with the younger generation.

269
00:16:06,640 --> 00:16:10,520
Speaker 5: Well, first, let's start with how scary he is. Zorimum

270
00:16:10,720 --> 00:16:16,200
Speaker 5: Donni is literally a socialist, admittedly, but you read his rhetoric,

271
00:16:16,280 --> 00:16:20,480
Speaker 5: you listen to his speeches, he's literally a communist. Second,

272
00:16:21,280 --> 00:16:27,440
Speaker 5: he is a twelver in terms of his religious beliefs,

273
00:16:27,600 --> 00:16:33,000
Speaker 5: which would be a Shia Iranian twelver looking for the

274
00:16:33,080 --> 00:16:38,120
Speaker 5: return of the last great prophet, so to speak. And

275
00:16:38,400 --> 00:16:41,000
Speaker 5: he is a globalist. And all three of those are

276
00:16:41,000 --> 00:16:43,600
Speaker 5: a direct threat to the United States. Seeing both by

277
00:16:43,880 --> 00:16:47,200
Speaker 5: as you said, the Republican Party and the Democrat Party,

278
00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:49,680
Speaker 5: at least the more moderate elements of the Democrat Party.

279
00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:54,000
Speaker 5: Why is he appealing to young people? It's changed. They

280
00:16:54,080 --> 00:16:56,520
Speaker 5: are looking at their lives, they're looking at the future.

281
00:16:56,560 --> 00:17:00,440
Speaker 5: For the first time in decades, young people are saying,

282
00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,120
Speaker 5: I may not live as well as my parents lived,

283
00:17:03,440 --> 00:17:05,440
Speaker 5: and they can see it. They can't afford a house

284
00:17:05,480 --> 00:17:07,800
Speaker 5: at the same age, they're not able to afford to

285
00:17:07,800 --> 00:17:10,560
Speaker 5: get married. Not that you have to really afford it,

286
00:17:10,600 --> 00:17:12,760
Speaker 5: but you know what young people look at. Its oh,

287
00:17:12,800 --> 00:17:15,240
Speaker 5: I can't afford to be married. And they're saying, we

288
00:17:15,280 --> 00:17:18,159
Speaker 5: can't form a home, we can't get better jobs, and

289
00:17:18,200 --> 00:17:21,280
Speaker 5: therefore we need something to drastically change. So in the

290
00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:27,080
Speaker 5: greatest city, maybe in the world, at least the largest

291
00:17:27,119 --> 00:17:30,800
Speaker 5: American city, New York City, we're seeing people turning from

292
00:17:31,280 --> 00:17:35,200
Speaker 5: free market capitalist principles and Judea Christian values and looking

293
00:17:35,240 --> 00:17:39,480
Speaker 5: for something different. And I blame the churches for failing

294
00:17:39,520 --> 00:17:45,480
Speaker 5: to teach that covetants, which is socialism or communism, is

295
00:17:45,480 --> 00:17:47,960
Speaker 5: a sin. You know, wanting what your other neighbor has

296
00:17:48,240 --> 00:17:50,280
Speaker 5: and wanting to take it from them at the point

297
00:17:50,320 --> 00:17:52,600
Speaker 5: of a gun is sin. And I blame the education

298
00:17:52,720 --> 00:17:55,960
Speaker 5: system that has failed to teach us that socialism just

299
00:17:56,080 --> 00:18:01,600
Speaker 5: fails every time it's tried, every place it's tried throughout history.

300
00:18:01,680 --> 00:18:04,360
Speaker 5: So that's what's happening in New York. It's a little

301
00:18:04,400 --> 00:18:08,000
Speaker 5: bit scary because we're seeing young people embrace that. At

302
00:18:08,040 --> 00:18:10,679
Speaker 5: the same time, in other parts of the country, and

303
00:18:10,720 --> 00:18:13,159
Speaker 5: even in New York, we're seeing young people return to

304
00:18:13,240 --> 00:18:19,000
Speaker 5: Christ and embrace embrace biblical truth, Christian worldview, and so forth.

305
00:18:19,040 --> 00:18:22,080
Speaker 5: So we're seeing a battle between good and evil with

306
00:18:22,280 --> 00:18:24,880
Speaker 5: deception at play here in New York.

307
00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,359
Speaker 1: You know, it's interesting, and I'm so glad you pointed

308
00:18:27,400 --> 00:18:31,160
Speaker 1: this out. With the younger generation, you're seeing some pockets

309
00:18:31,160 --> 00:18:34,440
Speaker 1: of revival across the country. You look at certain campuses

310
00:18:34,440 --> 00:18:37,520
Speaker 1: across the country. I think of Asbery, I think of

311
00:18:37,560 --> 00:18:41,640
Speaker 1: Liberty University, I think of Auburn and several other places.

312
00:18:41,640 --> 00:18:44,640
Speaker 1: You're seeing pockets of revival, young people turning their hearts

313
00:18:44,680 --> 00:18:48,280
Speaker 1: to the Lord. Yet at the same time, at the

314
00:18:48,440 --> 00:18:51,400
Speaker 1: very same time, you're seeing in the gen Z generation

315
00:18:52,400 --> 00:18:58,879
Speaker 1: rise of depression, suicide, isolation. You're seeing an ultra feminist

316
00:19:00,000 --> 00:19:03,280
Speaker 1: generation with with the with the young gen Z, You're

317
00:19:03,280 --> 00:19:06,720
Speaker 1: you're you're also seeing a more masculine culture that's coming

318
00:19:06,760 --> 00:19:09,959
Speaker 1: in with gen Z but not necessarily Christian. In the

319
00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:12,480
Speaker 1: mix of all of that is a character like zorin

320
00:19:12,560 --> 00:19:15,960
Speaker 1: Mendani because he's resonating with those on the left. But

321
00:19:16,080 --> 00:19:18,880
Speaker 1: there is no more middle. It seems like in America

322
00:19:18,920 --> 00:19:22,560
Speaker 1: the middle ground is disappearing, right, uh. That there You're

323
00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:26,040
Speaker 1: either going to have, you know, revival. You're either going

324
00:19:26,080 --> 00:19:29,000
Speaker 1: to have Christ or you're going to have chaos. It

325
00:19:29,040 --> 00:19:33,800
Speaker 1: looks like there's no other alternative for the future of civilization,

326
00:19:35,160 --> 00:19:38,840
Speaker 1: you know, the the ultra left or the ultra conservative

327
00:19:38,960 --> 00:19:42,960
Speaker 1: right that is under the lordship of Jesus Christ. You mentioned,

328
00:19:43,400 --> 00:19:45,600
Speaker 1: he's a twelver. You mentioned and this is what I

329
00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:49,240
Speaker 1: don't want viewers to miss that he is a radical

330
00:19:49,640 --> 00:19:52,760
Speaker 1: when it comes to the destruction and the annihilation of Israel.

331
00:19:52,960 --> 00:19:55,280
Speaker 1: That is what that belief system is. That is about

332
00:19:55,280 --> 00:20:00,280
Speaker 1: a caliphate, that is about a Muslim eschatology from the

333
00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:04,719
Speaker 1: river to the sea, the whole idea that the Jewish

334
00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:08,920
Speaker 1: people would be utterly completely destroyed. He is a part

335
00:20:08,960 --> 00:20:10,800
Speaker 1: of the Intifada movement.

336
00:20:12,200 --> 00:20:15,159
Speaker 5: Oh, no question. But the good news is, and I

337
00:20:15,240 --> 00:20:17,720
Speaker 5: want to point out from what you said good news is.

338
00:20:17,760 --> 00:20:21,000
Speaker 5: Young people are hungry for meaning, Yes, and it's our

339
00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:24,919
Speaker 5: opportunity to bring them the meaning of Jesus Christ, to

340
00:20:25,040 --> 00:20:27,800
Speaker 5: bring them the truth of the God of the Bible

341
00:20:28,480 --> 00:20:32,040
Speaker 5: and a Christian worldview that can satisfy their soul like

342
00:20:32,119 --> 00:20:36,120
Speaker 5: nothing else. The world will sell their false, counterfeit bill

343
00:20:36,160 --> 00:20:39,000
Speaker 5: of goods, whether it is in Islam, or whether it

344
00:20:39,040 --> 00:20:42,920
Speaker 5: is in globalism, or whether it is in socialism communism.

345
00:20:43,359 --> 00:20:46,320
Speaker 5: But we have the opportunity because young people are hungry,

346
00:20:46,359 --> 00:20:49,720
Speaker 5: and that is on us as a church and on

347
00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:53,280
Speaker 5: our educational system to bring the loving truth of Jesus.

348
00:20:53,359 --> 00:20:56,440
Speaker 5: It will resonate with young people. I've got two daughters.

349
00:20:57,240 --> 00:21:00,320
Speaker 5: They love Jesus and it does resonate with them and

350
00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:04,480
Speaker 5: their friends. But the other side, which brings emptiness and

351
00:21:04,560 --> 00:21:07,560
Speaker 5: despair and all of those things, it resonates to a

352
00:21:07,600 --> 00:21:09,440
Speaker 5: point as well. We've got to get out and make

353
00:21:09,480 --> 00:21:11,320
Speaker 5: our case. Now's our opportunity.

354
00:21:11,680 --> 00:21:14,560
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we have to make our case. You have an

355
00:21:14,680 --> 00:21:17,560
Speaker 1: excellent story. This is something you and I have discussed

356
00:21:17,560 --> 00:21:22,520
Speaker 1: in the past. An excellent story going back to Soviet

357
00:21:22,600 --> 00:21:28,560
Speaker 1: style grocery stores where food used to be sold in

358
00:21:28,600 --> 00:21:32,200
Speaker 1: the Soviet Union. Talk a little bit about that. There

359
00:21:32,280 --> 00:21:35,359
Speaker 1: was a state trip. Boris Yeltson years ago came to

360
00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:39,159
Speaker 1: the United States and he discovered American grocery stores. I

361
00:21:39,200 --> 00:21:41,719
Speaker 1: do want to hear this because I think our viewers

362
00:21:41,760 --> 00:21:44,280
Speaker 1: need to hear this, because this is something that is forgotten.

363
00:21:44,520 --> 00:21:46,600
Speaker 1: I think. And when you look at a candidate like

364
00:21:47,000 --> 00:21:52,719
Speaker 1: Zora Mamdani who wants to centralize groceries and pricing and

365
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:58,080
Speaker 1: everything else, we know that this kind of centralization won't work.

366
00:21:58,160 --> 00:21:59,320
Speaker 1: Tell us a little bit about that.

367
00:22:00,080 --> 00:22:02,920
Speaker 5: Well, he wants city run grocery stores. He doesn't want

368
00:22:03,000 --> 00:22:06,960
Speaker 5: free market capitalism at all involved in the delivery of

369
00:22:07,000 --> 00:22:09,600
Speaker 5: food to the people of New York. Well, they tried that,

370
00:22:09,720 --> 00:22:11,560
Speaker 5: and they've tried it in the Soviet Union. They've tried

371
00:22:11,560 --> 00:22:15,200
Speaker 5: it in Venezuela and other places. It always fails. So

372
00:22:15,359 --> 00:22:21,320
Speaker 5: in nineteen eighty nine or thereabouts, under President George H. W. Bush,

373
00:22:21,359 --> 00:22:24,920
Speaker 5: he decided, Hey, let's invite our Soviet counterparts, which would

374
00:22:24,920 --> 00:22:28,160
Speaker 5: be gorbachevn Yeltsen, to come and see how great America

375
00:22:28,320 --> 00:22:32,320
Speaker 5: is and come visit NASA to see our massive, incredible

376
00:22:32,359 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 5: technology space technology. And Yelson came. He wasn't that impressed

377
00:22:36,880 --> 00:22:39,680
Speaker 5: with the space technology. But on his way out of town,

378
00:22:39,800 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 5: he asked if he could stop and see an American

379
00:22:42,040 --> 00:22:45,800
Speaker 5: grocery store. He ended up in a Randalls store in

380
00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,080
Speaker 5: Houston near NASA, and he walked through the store and

381
00:22:49,119 --> 00:22:52,080
Speaker 5: you can see it on press reports. The TV cameras

382
00:22:52,119 --> 00:22:55,720
Speaker 5: were rolling. He said, I've never seen such a wide selection,

383
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:59,360
Speaker 5: this fresh food, the packaged food. Is it not even

384
00:22:59,400 --> 00:22:59,879
Speaker 5: our chairman?

385
00:23:00,400 --> 00:23:00,640
Speaker 1: Well.

386
00:23:00,680 --> 00:23:03,399
Speaker 5: He wrote in his diary that that was the moment

387
00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:06,919
Speaker 5: he realized that communism was a complete failure because it

388
00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,800
Speaker 5: wasn't even able to feed the people. Ma'm donnie wants

389
00:23:09,840 --> 00:23:12,040
Speaker 5: to take us down that failure route.

390
00:23:12,359 --> 00:23:13,880
Speaker 7: And yet we have.

391
00:23:13,920 --> 00:23:17,560
Speaker 5: The opportunity to maintain a free market capitalist system, which

392
00:23:17,600 --> 00:23:21,120
Speaker 5: is what beat the Soviet unions, what Boris Jeltson saw

393
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:25,600
Speaker 5: and said, we can't pursue communism anymore. For the sake

394
00:23:25,680 --> 00:23:29,600
Speaker 5: of the people, for economic justice, We've got to institute

395
00:23:29,720 --> 00:23:33,480
Speaker 5: free market capitalism. Ma'm donnie wants to take us backwards,

396
00:23:33,520 --> 00:23:34,359
Speaker 5: not forwards.

397
00:23:34,600 --> 00:23:38,639
Speaker 1: So this this brings up a great point right here,

398
00:23:39,119 --> 00:23:41,359
Speaker 1: and we just have one or two more minutes, But

399
00:23:41,400 --> 00:23:44,720
Speaker 1: I want you to clarify this. Many people might be

400
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:47,639
Speaker 1: listening and saying, Kevin, I totally agree with you. But

401
00:23:47,720 --> 00:23:52,320
Speaker 1: here's the problem. You know, the average American, you know,

402
00:23:52,359 --> 00:23:55,119
Speaker 1: it's thirty eight years old before they can actually afford

403
00:23:55,160 --> 00:23:59,159
Speaker 1: their first home. Thirty forty fifty years ago, it was

404
00:23:59,200 --> 00:24:01,560
Speaker 1: something like twenty to twenty three years old to buy

405
00:24:01,560 --> 00:24:05,119
Speaker 1: their first home. Something is completely flipped around in the

406
00:24:05,200 --> 00:24:08,359
Speaker 1: United States of America. Is capitalism to blame for that?

407
00:24:09,119 --> 00:24:11,159
Speaker 1: Obviously the answer is no. But I want you to

408
00:24:11,200 --> 00:24:13,680
Speaker 1: explain what is now.

409
00:24:13,720 --> 00:24:16,560
Speaker 5: The failures are. Our money system is an unjust weight

410
00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:21,560
Speaker 5: and measure under biblical terms, your money is worth twenty

411
00:24:21,680 --> 00:24:25,320
Speaker 5: five percent less than it was in twenty twenty and

412
00:24:25,359 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 5: co when COVID hit. It's worth ninety percent less than

413
00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:33,320
Speaker 5: it was in nineteen seventy one when we left the

414
00:24:33,320 --> 00:24:36,639
Speaker 5: gold standard. So our money is failing. And this is

415
00:24:36,680 --> 00:24:40,400
Speaker 5: in economics terms, it's the canty on effect. The rich

416
00:24:40,440 --> 00:24:43,280
Speaker 5: people can profit from inflation, the rest of us suffer

417
00:24:43,280 --> 00:24:45,760
Speaker 5: from it, and so we need to have a stable

418
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,000
Speaker 5: and solid monetary policy. That's why I wrote the book

419
00:24:49,320 --> 00:24:53,600
Speaker 5: Pirate Money. It's written on biblical basis. It's to tell

420
00:24:53,680 --> 00:24:56,919
Speaker 5: us how God's definition of money and how God's money

421
00:24:56,920 --> 00:25:00,480
Speaker 5: would work. And then we've passed legislation in five states

422
00:25:00,520 --> 00:25:05,479
Speaker 5: this year to bring back constitutional currency that's biblical money

423
00:25:05,960 --> 00:25:08,480
Speaker 5: into the United States, based on gold and silver, not

424
00:25:08,680 --> 00:25:10,640
Speaker 5: on paper and ones and zeros.

425
00:25:11,440 --> 00:25:14,879
Speaker 1: Absolutely, we'll leave it there. Kevin Freeman, host of the

426
00:25:14,960 --> 00:25:18,679
Speaker 1: Economic War Room, author of Pirate Money, Thank you so

427
00:25:18,880 --> 00:25:21,520
Speaker 1: much for coming on Sunday The Road Forward.

428
00:25:23,000 --> 00:25:23,800
Speaker 5: Thank you Ryan.

429
00:25:27,280 --> 00:25:30,160
Speaker 2: For more encouragement, and to stay connected. Follow doctor Tim

430
00:25:30,200 --> 00:25:33,439
Speaker 2: Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We love being a

431
00:25:33,440 --> 00:25:39,400
Speaker 2: part of your life.

432
00:25:42,359 --> 00:25:44,800
Speaker 1: Joining us now is Virgil Walker. Virgil is the co

433
00:25:44,880 --> 00:25:48,080
Speaker 1: host of the Just Thinking podcast. He's also a writer,

434
00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:51,480
Speaker 1: cultural commentator, and contributor to the Standing for Freedom Center.

435
00:25:51,760 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: His most recent book, A Biblical Theology of Climate Change,

436
00:25:55,760 --> 00:25:59,280
Speaker 1: is out now. Virgil, welcome to Sunday The Road Forward.

437
00:25:59,320 --> 00:26:03,680
Speaker 1: Great to see you. By the way, you and I

438
00:26:03,000 --> 00:26:06,639
Speaker 1: have something at Standing for Freedom dot com, the Case

439
00:26:06,720 --> 00:26:10,480
Speaker 1: for mass Deportation. I just want to mention that at

440
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:14,160
Speaker 1: Standing for Freedom dot Com, go check it out. Biblical

441
00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:16,560
Speaker 1: case there, super super important.

442
00:26:17,040 --> 00:26:17,440
Speaker 7: Virgil.

443
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,439
Speaker 1: You're always a man of wisdom and you always have

444
00:26:21,560 --> 00:26:25,520
Speaker 1: fresh insights, daily insights, new articles that are coming out

445
00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:28,160
Speaker 1: all the time. I do want to talk about something

446
00:26:28,200 --> 00:26:33,119
Speaker 1: more recently, Lamar Jackson, but not just him, throughout the

447
00:26:33,720 --> 00:26:37,399
Speaker 1: sports world. It seems like these platforms where you have

448
00:26:37,960 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: various Christian leaders who have emerged, they oftentimes are saying

449
00:26:41,560 --> 00:26:46,119
Speaker 1: things that impact culture in a much larger way than

450
00:26:46,200 --> 00:26:51,600
Speaker 1: American America's pulpits. That America's pulpits, at least for right now,

451
00:26:51,640 --> 00:26:56,680
Speaker 1: have been outsized by other platforms. Joe Rogan has a

452
00:26:56,720 --> 00:27:02,080
Speaker 1: bigger assembly, an ecclesia, a church, but an ecclesia than

453
00:27:02,119 --> 00:27:06,359
Speaker 1: many of America's pulpits right now, and so what he says,

454
00:27:06,640 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 1: good or bad goes out to a greater audience and

455
00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,679
Speaker 1: has spiritual implications for America. People are being discipled and

456
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: shepherded by various voices, and so we're seeing more courage,

457
00:27:19,480 --> 00:27:22,479
Speaker 1: it seems like, in the public square, for better or

458
00:27:22,520 --> 00:27:26,440
Speaker 1: worse than we are in America's churches. Break that down

459
00:27:26,560 --> 00:27:28,720
Speaker 1: for us. That's why I have you on today.

460
00:27:29,040 --> 00:27:31,480
Speaker 8: And I appreciate that. That's that's a that's a big

461
00:27:31,520 --> 00:27:33,840
Speaker 8: intro to to to kind of discuss. But let's let's

462
00:27:33,880 --> 00:27:35,639
Speaker 8: unpack it a little bit. I think, uh, you know

463
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,440
Speaker 8: the tweet that Lamar Jackson put out where he got

464
00:27:38,520 --> 00:27:42,080
Speaker 8: kind of a pushback from some some corners as it

465
00:27:42,119 --> 00:27:45,480
Speaker 8: relates to you know, Jesus is all that's important. Jesus

466
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 8: is the is the only thing that's important, the only

467
00:27:47,080 --> 00:27:50,399
Speaker 8: thing that matters. His statement was right. Culture began to

468
00:27:50,480 --> 00:27:53,600
Speaker 8: kind of protest and argue with him. That could well

469
00:27:53,640 --> 00:27:56,560
Speaker 8: have been because of the person who he was retweeting,

470
00:27:56,720 --> 00:27:59,240
Speaker 8: which was which was Charlie Kirk. But ultimately that's a

471
00:27:59,320 --> 00:28:03,120
Speaker 8: universal message. I think you're spot on with your analysis

472
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:07,000
Speaker 8: of how people are being discipled today. People are being discipled,

473
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:10,600
Speaker 8: and the disciples is a learned one, right, someone who's

474
00:28:10,640 --> 00:28:15,240
Speaker 8: being taught. I think education is discipleship. But the reality is,

475
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,960
Speaker 8: wherever you are, with whomever you're spending the vast majority

476
00:28:19,960 --> 00:28:22,840
Speaker 8: of your time in front of listening to hearing, you're

477
00:28:22,920 --> 00:28:26,159
Speaker 8: being trained, You're being taught, and right now you have

478
00:28:26,359 --> 00:28:29,560
Speaker 8: you know, culture so to speak, has really been embracing.

479
00:28:29,800 --> 00:28:32,960
Speaker 8: Whether it's the athlete or the celebrity, they've really been

480
00:28:33,000 --> 00:28:35,320
Speaker 8: embracing for quite some time. In church culture in particular

481
00:28:35,359 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 8: has been really embracing what others are saying in the culture,

482
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,640
Speaker 8: and they're getting more and more of their education of

483
00:28:42,640 --> 00:28:47,680
Speaker 8: their theological understanding from outside culture more so than they

484
00:28:47,720 --> 00:28:51,600
Speaker 8: are in churches. In the United States and America.

485
00:28:51,720 --> 00:28:53,680
Speaker 1: It seems like, and I'm going to go ahead and

486
00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:56,040
Speaker 1: use a phrase, this is more of a slang term

487
00:28:56,120 --> 00:28:59,320
Speaker 1: that has been thrown around. We're kind of in a

488
00:28:59,400 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: low crisis right now. And I'm not going to be

489
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,640
Speaker 1: crass at all by what I mean by that, but

490
00:29:04,680 --> 00:29:08,560
Speaker 1: I just mean the kind of the effeminate sort of.

491
00:29:08,640 --> 00:29:10,560
Speaker 1: You know, there was a term thrown around about twenty

492
00:29:10,640 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: years ago, the metrosexual. But we just see such a

493
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:23,600
Speaker 1: low ambition, low risk, low stakes when it comes to

494
00:29:23,640 --> 00:29:26,600
Speaker 1: the status games of life that people often play in,

495
00:29:28,040 --> 00:29:32,840
Speaker 1: men are largely marginalized. And let's not blame that on women.

496
00:29:32,920 --> 00:29:36,160
Speaker 1: Let's let's start first with men have a responsibility before

497
00:29:36,200 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 1: God to actually be men, to what God has created

498
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 1: them to be.

499
00:29:42,080 --> 00:29:45,080
Speaker 8: Yeah, no, I think it's spout all. We're definitely seeing

500
00:29:45,120 --> 00:29:48,880
Speaker 8: it in the culture with the exodus of men from churches.

501
00:29:48,920 --> 00:29:51,040
Speaker 8: You know, the vast majority of churches are somewhere in

502
00:29:51,080 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 8: the neighborhood on a good day, about sixty percent women,

503
00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,160
Speaker 8: forty percent men. Of course, in the Black church and

504
00:29:56,200 --> 00:29:59,080
Speaker 8: Black church culture, we're seeing that even even doing all

505
00:29:59,160 --> 00:30:01,840
Speaker 8: the more seventy percent women, thirty percent men, and the

506
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:05,080
Speaker 8: vast majority of the men who are there are the elderly, right,

507
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 8: they're older men at the at the end stage of

508
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:11,240
Speaker 8: their life. These younger men are just not finding that beneficial.

509
00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 8: Those young men who do stay, what we do find

510
00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 8: oftentimes is they have been inculcated by a feminist culture

511
00:30:19,360 --> 00:30:24,160
Speaker 8: and they and their attributes, their effeminate attributes are often

512
00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:27,160
Speaker 8: applauded in church culture, and so they're told to dial

513
00:30:27,240 --> 00:30:30,400
Speaker 8: down their toxic masculinity, that they're told to dial back

514
00:30:30,880 --> 00:30:33,760
Speaker 8: any any aggression that they may feel about standing and

515
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:38,800
Speaker 8: fighting and advancing the cause and sake of Christ. Those

516
00:30:38,840 --> 00:30:40,600
Speaker 8: are the kinds of things we're seeing and that that

517
00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,400
Speaker 8: does not bode well for us as believers. We need

518
00:30:44,480 --> 00:30:49,520
Speaker 8: young strong men to participate in church in their home

519
00:30:49,880 --> 00:30:52,880
Speaker 8: and society and the like, and the more and more

520
00:30:52,920 --> 00:30:56,120
Speaker 8: that they think about what they want to do, where

521
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:58,120
Speaker 8: they want to advance. The Church needs to be open

522
00:30:58,200 --> 00:31:01,480
Speaker 8: to those ideas and really and really challenge those men

523
00:31:01,680 --> 00:31:03,320
Speaker 8: to grow up in the things of God.

524
00:31:03,600 --> 00:31:07,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think it's interesting when you consider you mentioned

525
00:31:07,360 --> 00:31:13,000
Speaker 1: earlier that education is discipleship. So many of our educational

526
00:31:13,040 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 1: institutions run by the state have a certain kind of

527
00:31:17,360 --> 00:31:22,600
Speaker 1: orthodoxy and sometimes that's you know, run by modern pediatrics

528
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:26,680
Speaker 1: and American psychology and all the various ways in which

529
00:31:26,720 --> 00:31:32,320
Speaker 1: the experts so called in education have certain philosophies, ideologies

530
00:31:32,320 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: and worldviews that they apply to young children and human

531
00:31:35,280 --> 00:31:38,200
Speaker 1: development and all of that. And in so many ways, Virgil,

532
00:31:38,240 --> 00:31:41,760
Speaker 1: it seems as though, and I mentioned, you know, our

533
00:31:41,840 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: responsibility of men, you know, before God, we have a

534
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:48,400
Speaker 1: responsibility there. But there's also feminism, and there's also how

535
00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: the state right now treats boys like defective women. I

536
00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: heard more recently in the interview on CNN with Douglas Wilson.

537
00:31:57,440 --> 00:32:02,200
Speaker 1: Boys who act unruly insomuch as acting like boys and

538
00:32:02,280 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 1: not like girls, they'll be hit with a chemical rock.

539
00:32:07,560 --> 00:32:07,800
Speaker 7: You know.

540
00:32:08,040 --> 00:32:11,280
Speaker 1: They they're given their prescribed all kinds of medications in

541
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,760
Speaker 1: order to keep them at bay. In other words, that

542
00:32:14,800 --> 00:32:17,960
Speaker 1: they're not going to be feisty little boys that play,

543
00:32:18,000 --> 00:32:20,800
Speaker 1: that wrestle, that fight in the way that little boys do.

544
00:32:22,280 --> 00:32:26,440
Speaker 1: We're seeing all throughout culture men are being sort of

545
00:32:26,600 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: robbed of those distinct traits and characteristics that that are

546
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:34,680
Speaker 1: God given, that need to be harnessed towards masculinity.

547
00:32:35,440 --> 00:32:38,600
Speaker 8: Yeah, add to that what you get in culture even

548
00:32:38,640 --> 00:32:42,960
Speaker 8: in church culture. Is the applaud right, the attention toward

549
00:32:43,080 --> 00:32:47,040
Speaker 8: young men and boys who do minimize those masculine attributes.

550
00:32:47,400 --> 00:32:50,280
Speaker 8: Any anytime there's a there's a minimization, anytime someone can

551
00:32:50,280 --> 00:32:53,760
Speaker 8: control their behavior, so to speak, they're applauded, rather than

552
00:32:53,800 --> 00:32:57,200
Speaker 8: recognizing there's probably a different model of education that needs

553
00:32:57,240 --> 00:33:01,040
Speaker 8: to be provided for these young boys. We need young

554
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:05,520
Speaker 8: strong males in society and culture. They're the ones who

555
00:33:05,560 --> 00:33:09,320
Speaker 8: stop evil, right, who keep the evil evil at bay.

556
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,120
Speaker 8: We've got to do a better job of inculcating young

557
00:33:13,160 --> 00:33:19,239
Speaker 8: men understanding their their their attributes, their their aggression, uh

558
00:33:19,840 --> 00:33:22,920
Speaker 8: and really harness that in a way that's beneficial to them,

559
00:33:22,920 --> 00:33:25,320
Speaker 8: beneficial to culture, and definitely beneficial to the church.

560
00:33:25,680 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 1: Find a question just the last minute we got here.

561
00:33:28,880 --> 00:33:30,920
Speaker 1: You've been a pastor for a number of years, you're

562
00:33:30,920 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 1: currently serving as a pastor in a local church. You

563
00:33:34,160 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: lead and disciple men and even young men. What is

564
00:33:37,640 --> 00:33:41,360
Speaker 1: maybe one word or nugget of wisdom that you'd give

565
00:33:41,400 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: to young men who are starting that journey into manhood.

566
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:47,640
Speaker 1: What do they need to do?

567
00:33:48,400 --> 00:33:52,400
Speaker 8: Well? Yeah, there's no greater thing that young men can

568
00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 8: be doing, but be thinking about the things of God.

569
00:33:56,600 --> 00:34:00,280
Speaker 8: Then at an early young age, be identifying with be

570
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:04,120
Speaker 8: connecting with God, be in their church, be involved in

571
00:34:04,120 --> 00:34:06,520
Speaker 8: those spaces and places. There's no greater thing that they

572
00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:08,640
Speaker 8: could do. The other thing that they should do is

573
00:34:08,640 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 8: is find a wife early and marry her. That's the

574
00:34:11,440 --> 00:34:14,200
Speaker 8: other thing that they can do, and then begin and

575
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,719
Speaker 8: begin their lives and legacy in a way that honors Scott.

576
00:34:16,960 --> 00:34:21,359
Speaker 1: Yeah, love God, know your purpose, get married early. I

577
00:34:21,440 --> 00:34:25,560
Speaker 1: wholeheartedly agree. Get to the high stakes tables in life.

578
00:34:26,200 --> 00:34:32,719
Speaker 1: Don't be wasting and frittering away. Absolutely responsible men. Thank

579
00:34:32,719 --> 00:34:36,400
Speaker 1: you so much, Virgil, appreciate you always for your wisdom

580
00:34:36,400 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 1: and your insights. Thank you for joining Sunday the Road Forward.

581
00:34:39,360 --> 00:34:40,480
Speaker 8: Hey, thanks for having me.

582
00:34:41,440 --> 00:34:45,400
Speaker 4: Don't miss the world's premiere Christian counseling conference event, the

583
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 4: twenty twenty five AECC United World Conference. It has sold

584
00:34:50,120 --> 00:34:52,560
Speaker 4: out the last ten times in a row, and this

585
00:34:52,600 --> 00:34:55,280
Speaker 4: one is shaping up to be the best one ever.

586
00:34:55,520 --> 00:34:59,960
Speaker 4: Returning to the magnificent apriland Hotel in Nashville, September twenty two,

587
00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 4: twenty five, with amazing plnary experts, over fifty leading pre

588
00:35:04,640 --> 00:35:08,640
Speaker 4: con workshops, over twenty five counseling in recovery tracks and

589
00:35:08,760 --> 00:35:13,239
Speaker 4: over one hundred and seventy five clinical, academic, and biblical workshops,

590
00:35:13,440 --> 00:35:16,360
Speaker 4: so you can tailor the conference to meet your personal

591
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:20,520
Speaker 4: and professional goals. This year's World Conference features world leading

592
00:35:20,520 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 4: and dynamic experts like Kurt Thompson, Henry Cloud, Tyler, Vanderwel,

593
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:31,680
Speaker 4: Harold Koenig, Tim Timberlake, Gary Chapman, Daniel Aman, Lisa Turkhurst,

594
00:35:32,000 --> 00:35:36,080
Speaker 4: Jenny Allen, Tim and Zach Clinton, and so much more.

595
00:35:36,480 --> 00:35:40,960
Speaker 4: Enjoy incredible praise and worship with special guests Chris Tomlin,

596
00:35:45,040 --> 00:35:59,279
Speaker 4: Katie Nicoles, and Micah Tyler's to make plans to attend now.

597
00:35:59,520 --> 00:36:02,080
Speaker 4: The World Conference has sold out the last ten times

598
00:36:02,120 --> 00:36:05,640
Speaker 4: in a row, with nearly seven thousand counselors and mental

599
00:36:05,680 --> 00:36:09,400
Speaker 4: health and ministry leaders from all fifty states and forty

600
00:36:09,480 --> 00:36:13,640
Speaker 4: different countries represented. Register now for the best savings at

601
00:36:13,719 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 4: Worldconference dot net. That's Worldconference dot net. The twenty twenty

602
00:36:19,480 --> 00:36:23,920
Speaker 4: five AACC United World Conference see you in September.

603
00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,080
Speaker 1: Joining us now is Rod Martin. He's the founder and

604
00:36:27,120 --> 00:36:31,080
Speaker 1: CEO of Martin Capital. He's an entrepreneur, author, and political commentator.

605
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:34,759
Speaker 1: You can find him at Rodmartin dot org. Rod thank

606
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:35,440
Speaker 1: you for joining us.

607
00:36:35,440 --> 00:36:36,120
Speaker 2: Great to see.

608
00:36:35,960 --> 00:36:37,680
Speaker 7: You, Great to be here.

609
00:36:38,480 --> 00:36:40,360
Speaker 1: I want to talk a little bit about a piece

610
00:36:40,400 --> 00:36:43,480
Speaker 1: that you just came out on your substack. In fact,

611
00:36:44,440 --> 00:36:49,600
Speaker 1: Christianity and capitalism age old debate. We've been having discussions

612
00:36:49,640 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: this morning about the candidacy of Zorn ma'am Donnie, and

613
00:36:53,560 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 1: there are alarm bells going across the nation when it

614
00:36:56,560 --> 00:36:59,640
Speaker 1: comes to socialism, especially with the younger generation, the gen

615
00:36:59,719 --> 00:37:03,400
Speaker 1: Z generation. And it's not just rod those that are

616
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:06,920
Speaker 1: outside the church, it's even those and especially those inside

617
00:37:06,960 --> 00:37:11,360
Speaker 1: the church, with regard to their understanding of economics and

618
00:37:11,600 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: really the biblical economy in scripture, how God defines money,

619
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:22,640
Speaker 1: how God defines stewardship, how God defines ownership in man's responsibility,

620
00:37:22,680 --> 00:37:26,040
Speaker 1: with all of those things. You did write a piece

621
00:37:26,080 --> 00:37:28,680
Speaker 1: on this more recently, and I wanted to dive into

622
00:37:28,719 --> 00:37:33,400
Speaker 1: that first and foremost. There's a lot of misgivings about capitalism,

623
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,440
Speaker 1: especially today. Most people don't know what it is tell

624
00:37:36,520 --> 00:37:37,160
Speaker 1: us about that.

625
00:37:38,320 --> 00:37:42,200
Speaker 7: Well, they need to read their Bible, just starting with

626
00:37:42,320 --> 00:37:46,080
Speaker 7: the ten commandments. You shall not steal, you shall not

627
00:37:46,200 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 7: even think about stealing for having say, and you cannot

628
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:54,480
Speaker 7: do as a government. Most of the things that an

629
00:37:54,520 --> 00:37:58,560
Speaker 7: individual can do. So you say, well, okay, government has

630
00:37:58,600 --> 00:38:03,520
Speaker 7: some authority to do so things. Maybe it can nationalize

631
00:38:03,560 --> 00:38:08,560
Speaker 7: the steel industry. But no, because first we have first

632
00:38:08,600 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 7: Samuel eight, which teaches us that the government is being

633
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 7: oppressive if it taxes as much as the tithe that's

634
00:38:16,040 --> 00:38:18,719
Speaker 7: ten percent for those of you from Rio Linda. And

635
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:22,400
Speaker 7: then we get over into kings and we discover that

636
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:28,160
Speaker 7: the only nationalization in the history of Israel Naboth's vineyard,

637
00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:33,480
Speaker 7: for which God condemns ahab In Jezebel and destroys their dynasty.

638
00:38:33,800 --> 00:38:39,880
Speaker 7: So this is just not acceptable behavior. Everything in God's

639
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,880
Speaker 7: economy is set up on the basis of private property,

640
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:48,960
Speaker 7: which is delegated from God's ownership of literally everything. This

641
00:38:49,080 --> 00:38:51,960
Speaker 7: comes from the creation. But we also see it in

642
00:38:52,000 --> 00:38:55,400
Speaker 7: passages like Romans nine, where he's very clear, can the

643
00:38:55,440 --> 00:38:58,759
Speaker 7: potter do what he wishes with the clay? Well, this

644
00:38:58,920 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 7: is his clay, is all his clay. I am his clay,

645
00:39:03,640 --> 00:39:07,560
Speaker 7: as is every other living being. And so we have

646
00:39:07,719 --> 00:39:12,520
Speaker 7: delegated grants of gifts. Some of them are materials, some

647
00:39:12,600 --> 00:39:15,440
Speaker 7: of them are spiritual. Doesn't really matter. I'm not allowed

648
00:39:15,480 --> 00:39:19,600
Speaker 7: to infringe on that which God has delegated to someone else,

649
00:39:20,120 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 7: and that system, as we see in things like the

650
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:30,480
Speaker 7: Tragedy of the Commons, works best for the stewardship of

651
00:39:30,520 --> 00:39:34,200
Speaker 7: all those things, and to the degree that God wishes

652
00:39:34,360 --> 00:39:39,720
Speaker 7: to elevate one over another. That's usually human thinking, because

653
00:39:39,760 --> 00:39:42,400
Speaker 7: some people are gifted to be missionaries and not to

654
00:39:42,400 --> 00:39:45,200
Speaker 7: be Elon Musk, and some people are gifted to be

655
00:39:45,280 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 7: Elon Musk and not the artsy girl down the street.

656
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:53,480
Speaker 7: And they all are fulfilled in different ways. They fulfill

657
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,840
Speaker 7: different roles in the body of Christ, and God is

658
00:39:56,880 --> 00:40:00,279
Speaker 7: working all those things together for good. We also see,

659
00:40:00,440 --> 00:40:03,040
Speaker 7: and this is an important point. We see in the

660
00:40:03,080 --> 00:40:06,120
Speaker 7: Parable of the Talents, we see in the Parable of

661
00:40:06,160 --> 00:40:09,799
Speaker 7: the Minas, and frankly we see in Deuteronomy twenty eight

662
00:40:09,840 --> 00:40:14,360
Speaker 7: in Leviticus twenty six that God rewards faithfulness and he

663
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:20,040
Speaker 7: punishes unfaithfulness, maybe not quickly, maybe not immediately, but he

664
00:40:20,120 --> 00:40:24,920
Speaker 7: does for sure. So some people are poorer because they're

665
00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 7: actually being judged YEA. Some people richer because they're being judged,

666
00:40:30,360 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 7: and that can go in both directions. Sometimes wealth is

667
00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 7: a curse, sometimes poverty is a curse. But God gets

668
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:41,400
Speaker 7: to decide it, and man's deified governments do not.

669
00:40:41,880 --> 00:40:46,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, so very well said. I like how you started, though,

670
00:40:46,400 --> 00:40:49,600
Speaker 1: by even going to the example of scripture, and what

671
00:40:49,680 --> 00:40:53,400
Speaker 1: I can't what I can't help but recount is that

672
00:40:53,440 --> 00:40:56,680
Speaker 1: when you look back in Genesis, it was in the

673
00:40:56,680 --> 00:40:59,799
Speaker 1: time of Joseph, and when Joseph was in Egypt, that

674
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: the tax at that time was just one fourth of

675
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,839
Speaker 1: the increase. That was the Egyptian pagans standard. So the God,

676
00:41:07,200 --> 00:41:09,880
Speaker 1: the standard that God had set was one tenth of

677
00:41:09,920 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 1: your increase. The standard of the tyrannical king of the

678
00:41:14,840 --> 00:41:19,440
Speaker 1: slaves was one fourth of your increase. Here in the

679
00:41:19,560 --> 00:41:22,800
Speaker 1: United States and many other modern nations, those that define

680
00:41:22,800 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: Western Europe have a new standard that is well above

681
00:41:26,200 --> 00:41:29,359
Speaker 1: fifty percent. Especially if you're a business owner. You pay

682
00:41:29,440 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: tax coming and going every which way. Everything is taxed,

683
00:41:33,880 --> 00:41:36,759
Speaker 1: including the air and the shade that the trees provide.

684
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:41,200
Speaker 1: It seems like are taxed. What what how do we Yeah,

685
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,000
Speaker 1: how do we get our way out of this or

686
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:43,520
Speaker 1: through it?

687
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:49,160
Speaker 7: Well, we're making progress. Clearly. What Donald Trump just did

688
00:41:49,320 --> 00:41:54,160
Speaker 7: in exempting most Social Security benefits from tax is fantastic

689
00:41:54,320 --> 00:41:57,960
Speaker 7: because that's money that was already taxed. That's money the

690
00:41:58,000 --> 00:42:03,040
Speaker 7: government confiscated from you to quote provide for your retirement. Well,

691
00:42:03,080 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 7: you could have put it in virtually any investment vehicle

692
00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:08,880
Speaker 7: in the world and had five to ten times as

693
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:12,920
Speaker 7: much money as social Security will give you. But supposedly

694
00:42:12,960 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 7: there's security there. Okay, well not sure how secure that is,

695
00:42:17,120 --> 00:42:21,040
Speaker 7: but we'll go with that. Why would we then tax

696
00:42:21,120 --> 00:42:24,840
Speaker 7: it too? Why are we taxing Grandma? That's crazy and

697
00:42:25,280 --> 00:42:29,480
Speaker 7: Trump has made progress against that. Honestly, the property tax

698
00:42:29,680 --> 00:42:34,160
Speaker 7: is just wicked. It makes everybody a tenant, everyone is

699
00:42:34,200 --> 00:42:38,040
Speaker 7: a renter, nobody is secure in their property. Miss one

700
00:42:38,080 --> 00:42:42,440
Speaker 7: property tax payment and you're gone. So a family legacy

701
00:42:42,480 --> 00:42:47,480
Speaker 7: going back centuries can disappear in a bad year. Ron

702
00:42:47,520 --> 00:42:51,240
Speaker 7: de Santus and Greg Abbott are making efforts to abolish

703
00:42:51,239 --> 00:42:55,279
Speaker 7: property tax in Florida and Texas, So that's good. But

704
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:59,520
Speaker 7: the truth is we're just horribly out of biblical boundaries

705
00:42:59,600 --> 00:43:05,080
Speaker 7: in having such high taxes, and those high taxes enable

706
00:43:05,160 --> 00:43:09,960
Speaker 7: government to do things that are absolutely beyond biblical boundaries.

707
00:43:10,200 --> 00:43:15,080
Speaker 7: So yes, capitalism not only is Christian, capitalism is commanded

708
00:43:15,120 --> 00:43:18,840
Speaker 7: by Christianity, and if we took it more seriously, we

709
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:22,359
Speaker 7: would appreciate the majesty of what God achieves through that,

710
00:43:22,960 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 7: we would also understand that everything that we associate with capitalism,

711
00:43:27,080 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 7: which sometimes can include things like fraud and deceit, aren't

712
00:43:31,680 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 7: inherent to capitalism, but are also prohibited by scripture. So

713
00:43:35,880 --> 00:43:38,200
Speaker 7: if we're talking about a free market system, if we're

714
00:43:38,200 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 7: talking about a system of private property, what we are

715
00:43:40,880 --> 00:43:45,120
Speaker 7: not talking about is fraud, deceit, or oppression. Those things

716
00:43:45,120 --> 00:43:49,600
Speaker 7: are explicitly prohibited by God, and no system is allowed

717
00:43:49,640 --> 00:43:52,520
Speaker 7: to have those as features. I would just point out

718
00:43:52,600 --> 00:43:57,080
Speaker 7: that there is no socialist system that isn't characterized by

719
00:43:57,080 --> 00:44:04,360
Speaker 7: those features, characterized by theft, and characterized by compulsion. And really,

720
00:44:04,400 --> 00:44:07,600
Speaker 7: if you want to boil it all down, socialism is

721
00:44:07,640 --> 00:44:13,040
Speaker 7: the embodiment of a violation of the tenth Commandment. It

722
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,759
Speaker 7: is all about saying you have something, I want it,

723
00:44:16,840 --> 00:44:20,480
Speaker 7: therefore it's mine. It is wickedness to the core, so.

724
00:44:20,520 --> 00:44:24,280
Speaker 1: You have bearing false witness. Socialism requires that. It also

725
00:44:24,360 --> 00:44:28,560
Speaker 1: requires murder, It requires covetousness, and it is also is

726
00:44:28,560 --> 00:44:31,080
Speaker 1: a violation of the first and the second commandment. While

727
00:44:31,080 --> 00:44:33,560
Speaker 1: we're at it, I mean it is putting other gods

728
00:44:33,600 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: before God. It's worshiping. That's exactly right. You say this,

729
00:44:39,360 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 1: and this is something that I think is very very important,

730
00:44:42,360 --> 00:44:45,279
Speaker 1: and I know, Rod, I agree with you, but I

731
00:44:45,320 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: want you to define it. And we just have a

732
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:50,319
Speaker 1: couple of more minutes. But you said the you know,

733
00:44:50,400 --> 00:44:55,520
Speaker 1: Christianity commands capitalism. There's a lot of Bible scholars out

734
00:44:55,520 --> 00:44:58,080
Speaker 1: there and say, oh, no, no, you know, there's nowhere

735
00:44:58,120 --> 00:45:00,200
Speaker 1: that I read Adam Smith in the scripture. Do you

736
00:45:00,200 --> 00:45:01,560
Speaker 1: clarify what you mean by.

737
00:45:01,440 --> 00:45:06,080
Speaker 7: That ironic that you should mention Adam Smith because his

738
00:45:06,400 --> 00:45:10,759
Speaker 7: entire idea of the invisible hand is Romans eight twenty eight.

739
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:15,600
Speaker 7: His entire idea of the division of labor is Paul's

740
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:18,680
Speaker 7: illustration of the different parts in the body of Christ.

741
00:45:19,040 --> 00:45:21,840
Speaker 7: That some people are heads, and some people are hands,

742
00:45:21,960 --> 00:45:25,239
Speaker 7: and some people are probably colons, and some people are

743
00:45:25,360 --> 00:45:28,560
Speaker 7: all these different things, and they all work together. And

744
00:45:28,600 --> 00:45:30,680
Speaker 7: the head is not allowed to say to the hand,

745
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:34,000
Speaker 7: I have no need of you, because they all play

746
00:45:34,000 --> 00:45:37,320
Speaker 7: a different role in a collective whole that is greater

747
00:45:37,440 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 7: than the sum of the parts that scripture. That's also

748
00:45:41,800 --> 00:45:44,759
Speaker 7: Adam Smith's great insight in the Wealth of Nations in

749
00:45:44,800 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 7: seventeen seventy six, which sparked the Industrial Revolution, which absolutely

750
00:45:49,960 --> 00:45:53,239
Speaker 7: flipped the script on poverty. As Christians, we want to

751
00:45:53,320 --> 00:45:56,480
Speaker 7: eliminate poverty. We want to push back against the curse.

752
00:45:56,920 --> 00:46:00,279
Speaker 7: That's what we do. And Jesus is very clear we're

753
00:46:00,280 --> 00:46:03,160
Speaker 7: not allowed to just tell people be warm and be filled.

754
00:46:03,200 --> 00:46:06,440
Speaker 7: We need to actually take care of them well. Capitalism

755
00:46:06,480 --> 00:46:09,600
Speaker 7: produces profit that allows us to take care of people.

756
00:46:09,800 --> 00:46:16,239
Speaker 7: Socialism compels confiscation, which is not compassion, which is not

757
00:46:16,760 --> 00:46:23,160
Speaker 7: anything vaguely charitable. And most importantly, most importantly, we have

758
00:46:23,239 --> 00:46:28,560
Speaker 7: to understand what capitalism does is it enables everybody to

759
00:46:28,640 --> 00:46:32,439
Speaker 7: live freely as they wish, the pursuit of happiness as

760
00:46:32,440 --> 00:46:36,080
Speaker 7: it were, which is to say, fulfill your own spiritual gift,

761
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:39,080
Speaker 7: without compulsion, without the state telling you what you may

762
00:46:39,120 --> 00:46:43,640
Speaker 7: and may not do, without anybody burdening your conscience, completely

763
00:46:43,760 --> 00:46:47,319
Speaker 7: free to excel in the way God has chosen for

764
00:46:47,400 --> 00:46:52,359
Speaker 7: you to do. That's freedom. That's why markets are so exceptional,

765
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:56,160
Speaker 7: and that's why since the things we're talking about in

766
00:46:56,200 --> 00:47:01,439
Speaker 7: the eighteenth century, poverty, extreme poverty, that dollar a day,

767
00:47:01,719 --> 00:47:07,480
Speaker 7: grinding poverty that characterize ninety four percent of humanity in

768
00:47:07,560 --> 00:47:12,640
Speaker 7: eighteen hundred, has now almost flipped to where most people

769
00:47:12,680 --> 00:47:17,560
Speaker 7: live above absolute poverty, most people are actually moving upward,

770
00:47:17,920 --> 00:47:23,280
Speaker 7: and upward mobility characterizes most civilizations that follow some modicum

771
00:47:23,280 --> 00:47:24,160
Speaker 7: of God's law.

772
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:28,400
Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that is so well put when you

773
00:47:28,440 --> 00:47:32,279
Speaker 1: think about it. Nothing has led to greater human flourishing

774
00:47:32,719 --> 00:47:35,520
Speaker 1: than a capitalist system. We can name no other system

775
00:47:35,560 --> 00:47:39,279
Speaker 1: that has done better, especially in the twentieth and twenty

776
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:42,319
Speaker 1: first century. We'll leave it there, Rod Martin, thank you

777
00:47:42,360 --> 00:47:44,880
Speaker 1: so much. And by the way, for our viewers and listeners,

778
00:47:44,880 --> 00:47:45,839
Speaker 1: where can they come find?

779
00:47:45,880 --> 00:47:46,000
Speaker 8: You?

780
00:47:47,000 --> 00:47:49,920
Speaker 7: Come to Rodmartin dot org. You also want to follow

781
00:47:49,960 --> 00:47:53,719
Speaker 7: me on x which you can find easily at the

782
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:56,040
Speaker 7: top right hand corner or top left hand corner of

783
00:47:56,120 --> 00:47:59,000
Speaker 7: Rodmartin dot org. Got about two hundred and seventy five

784
00:47:59,040 --> 00:48:01,719
Speaker 7: thousand followers. There's a reason, and you'll want to be

785
00:48:01,800 --> 00:48:02,319
Speaker 7: one of them.

786
00:48:02,520 --> 00:48:04,960
Speaker 1: Absolutely, Rod Martin, thank you so much, my friend, Thank

787
00:48:04,960 --> 00:48:05,719
Speaker 1: you for joining us.

788
00:48:06,360 --> 00:48:14,360
Speaker 7: Thank you. Hi everyone.

789
00:48:14,360 --> 00:48:17,799
Speaker 6: I'm doctor Tim Clinton, and you know how important this is.

790
00:48:18,640 --> 00:48:21,840
Speaker 6: It's my phone, it's my lifeline. It connects me with

791
00:48:21,920 --> 00:48:25,560
Speaker 6: loved ones and business throughout the day, keeping informed about

792
00:48:25,760 --> 00:48:28,800
Speaker 6: the world around us. And that's why my self service

793
00:48:29,600 --> 00:48:32,440
Speaker 6: and data they're so important to me. They have to

794
00:48:32,440 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 6: be reliable safe, secure, and that's why I use Patriot Mobile.

795
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:40,880
Speaker 6: Patriot Mobile is leading the way as America's only Christian

796
00:48:40,920 --> 00:48:46,200
Speaker 6: conservative wireless provider, and you can enjoy nationwide coverage with

797
00:48:46,360 --> 00:48:51,560
Speaker 6: access to all three major US networks. That's right. Most importantly,

798
00:48:51,960 --> 00:48:55,520
Speaker 6: when you switch to Patriot Mobile, you'll be supporting faith, family,

799
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 6: and freedom.

800
00:48:56,560 --> 00:48:56,960
Speaker 7: That's right.

801
00:48:57,000 --> 00:49:01,280
Speaker 6: The folks at Patriot they've got four core values centered

802
00:49:01,320 --> 00:49:05,440
Speaker 6: on defending God and country, and supporting our military and

803
00:49:05,480 --> 00:49:09,800
Speaker 6: the sanctity of life. I appreciate that. Switching it's easy.

804
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,319
Speaker 6: Keep your number and phone, or you can upgrade, make

805
00:49:14,360 --> 00:49:18,160
Speaker 6: the move and defend your values without sacrificing quality or service.

806
00:49:18,320 --> 00:49:22,040
Speaker 6: All you have to do is visit Patriotmobile dot com

807
00:49:22,040 --> 00:49:27,880
Speaker 6: again that's Patriotmobile dot com forward slash road forward, or

808
00:49:27,920 --> 00:49:32,360
Speaker 6: you can call nine seven to two nine seven two Patriot.

809
00:49:32,880 --> 00:49:35,560
Speaker 6: That's nine seven to two Patriot. You get a free

810
00:49:35,600 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 6: month with the promo code road forward. Let me repeat that.

811
00:49:39,920 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 6: If you use the code road forward, you're gonna receive

812
00:49:43,680 --> 00:49:46,680
Speaker 6: a free month of service. Hey, everybody can use that.

813
00:49:46,760 --> 00:49:49,280
Speaker 6: The information is right there on your screen. Visit again

814
00:49:49,400 --> 00:49:53,839
Speaker 6: Patriot Mobile dot com forward slash road forward, or call

815
00:49:53,960 --> 00:49:56,920
Speaker 6: nine seven to two Patriot to get a free month

816
00:49:57,280 --> 00:50:02,040
Speaker 6: of cellular service with the promo code road Forward. Patriot

817
00:50:02,040 --> 00:50:04,759
Speaker 6: Mobiles prices are very competitive, with plans starting as low

818
00:50:04,760 --> 00:50:08,480
Speaker 6: as twenty six dollars. That's twenty six dollars, a terrific

819
00:50:08,520 --> 00:50:11,120
Speaker 6: offer from a great company that shares our values in

820
00:50:11,200 --> 00:50:13,000
Speaker 6: standing with us for such a.

821
00:50:12,920 --> 00:50:25,640
Speaker 2: Time as this. For more encouragement and to stay connected,

822
00:50:25,880 --> 00:50:29,360
Speaker 2: follow doctor Tim Clinton on Facebook, Instagram, and X. We

823
00:50:29,520 --> 00:50:35,960
Speaker 2: love being a part of your life.

824
00:50:39,120 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 1: Thank you for watching Sunday The Road Forward. Doctor Adrian

825
00:50:42,040 --> 00:50:45,280
Speaker 1: Rogers once said, as the West goes, so goes the world.

826
00:50:45,560 --> 00:50:49,240
Speaker 1: As America goes, so goes the West. And as Christianity goes,

827
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:55,439
Speaker 1: so goes America. As evangelicals go, so goes Christianity. He said,

828
00:50:55,480 --> 00:50:57,840
Speaker 1: I'm firmly convinced that if we would clean up the

829
00:50:57,840 --> 00:51:00,600
Speaker 1: pulpits of America, we'd go a lot long way to

830
00:51:00,680 --> 00:51:05,200
Speaker 1: cleaning up America. Let's pray for revival and for revival

831
00:51:05,280 --> 00:51:07,880
Speaker 1: to begin in our churches. I will leave you with

832
00:51:07,960 --> 00:51:11,120
Speaker 1: that note until next time. God bless you.

833
00:51:14,840 --> 00:51:16,040
Speaker 5: Paid by God