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Speaker 1: All right. It was chilly on a brisk March morning

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Speaker 1: in Los Angeles, just ten days before California would go

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Speaker 1: on lockdown. My producer Antonia Seehilo, and I did something

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Speaker 1: that we had no idea would soon be a major

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Speaker 2: We drove up to someone's home. No, it's ka. I

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Speaker 2: mean that house is like insane.

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Speaker 3: So just it looks like a haunted house. It looks

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Speaker 3: like something out of like an old Victorian movie. There's

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Speaker 3: like a spiral and like peaked.

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Speaker 2: Multiple peaks. But whatever it is, you always see them

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Speaker 2: in a horror movie.

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Speaker 3: I mean, if I had to guess a place that

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Speaker 3: looked like what I thought cavan Dee's house would look like,

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Speaker 3: it's this.

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Speaker 1: This is definitely it from Futuro Media. It's Latino USA.

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Speaker 1: I'm Maria ino Josa, covered in tattoos and always sporting

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Speaker 1: fully black outfits. Cat von Dee is the matriarch of

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Speaker 1: America's first goth family. Born Katherine von Druckenberg, Cat von

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Speaker 1: Dee first reached a wide audience when she was twenty

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Speaker 1: three years old, when she was cast on TLC's reality

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Speaker 1: show Miami Inc.

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Speaker 2: In the mid odds twenty seconds Ready start, Oh.

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Speaker 1: The show captured the goings ons at a tattoo shop

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Speaker 1: in Miami Beach Conya. Kat was the first female cast

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Speaker 1: member and tattoo artist, and she immediately became a fan favorite.

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Speaker 4: About the tattoot that captain for me, she's amazing that

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Speaker 4: everything she does, whether it's black or gray or color,

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Speaker 4: and she just keeps raising the bar every day.

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Speaker 1: Her tattoos would be hyper realistic and she was good

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Speaker 1: at drawing out her client's personal stories. She became the

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Speaker 1: most famous female tattoo artist in the world. This led

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Speaker 1: to her getting her own spinoff show, La Inc. Which

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Speaker 1: was set in her own tattoo shop in West Hollywood.

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Speaker 5: Because I'm the Bajas Okay, and.

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Speaker 1: The show ended in twenty eleven. Since then, Kat has

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Speaker 1: launched her own shoeline and her own makeup line, and

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Speaker 1: right now she's working on recording her first ever album while.

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Speaker 2: In quarantine to.

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Speaker 6: See the.

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Speaker 1: Kat's artistry is inextricable from her lifestyle. She lives the

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Speaker 1: goth fantasy that she sells and in the same way

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Speaker 1: that people would tune into the black horror comedy sitcom

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Speaker 1: The Adams Family in the nineteen sixties for a bit

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Speaker 1: of escapism.

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Speaker 2: Nice place you've got here Wednesday.

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Speaker 5: We like it.

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Speaker 1: It's so nice and li loomy. Today people visit Cat

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Speaker 1: Bondie's Instagram to see pictures and videos of her living

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Speaker 1: her real life black horror.

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Speaker 2: Sitcom even on each side.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Kat's more than seven million followers watch her getting

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Speaker 1: a haircut in her red lacquered bathroom that looks like

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Speaker 1: a shrine to Satan. They can see Kat's husband Cholo

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Speaker 1: goth icon prayers, making their son giggle as he kisses

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Speaker 1: his belly. While the outside of Kat's home is impressive,

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Speaker 1: the inside is basically a museum to goth and religious iconography.

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Speaker 1: And so I'd be lying if I said I wasn't

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Speaker 1: very excited to be there.

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Speaker 6: All right, So what room are Well, just that one

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Speaker 6: of the guest rooms.

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Speaker 1: The room has a huge wooden fireplace ornately carved.

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Speaker 2: Well, what's on top of the fireplace?

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Speaker 6: Those are all those are not just nuns. I love

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Speaker 6: like different saints.

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Speaker 5: I've always just been fascinated by saints, just because you know,

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Speaker 5: there's so much rich history in the mysticism of saints.

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Speaker 5: But yeah, I think a lot of people think I'm Catholic,

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Speaker 5: but I don't identify.

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Speaker 6: Like at all. I just appreciate a lot of the artwork.

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Speaker 5: And then you know, there is something beautiful to be

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Speaker 5: said about nuns because it doesn't matter what you're doing

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Speaker 1: And the world wind Tour began.

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Speaker 5: So what I did is I took like every room

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Speaker 5: and kind of paid homage to my favorite eras or

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Speaker 6: Powder blue room that's more in the French style. And

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Speaker 6: then this is this is like the black and old bathroom,

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Speaker 5: You know.

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Speaker 6: This is a master bedroom.

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Speaker 5: So we had like an artist all like the murals

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Speaker 5: of like it's all nocturnal animals.

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Speaker 6: So there's like a little owl and then there's like.

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Speaker 5: Moths, and then you know, bats and stuff. And then

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Speaker 5: this is the red bathroom. Oh wow.

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Speaker 1: And then finally we got to the room I was

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Speaker 5: This is a closet, a mess, but it's all organized

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Speaker 5: my favorite color.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, everything is black.

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Speaker 6: And then there's the shoe closet.

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Speaker 2: Oh dude, oh my god, my god.

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Speaker 1: In the house, we saw crystal orbs handmade Victorian lampshades,

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Speaker 1: stained glass windows, a goth dream house. Apart from giving

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Speaker 1: us the tour, cat sat down with me to talk

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Speaker 1: about her Mexican and Argentine roots, falling in love with tattoos,

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Speaker 1: and how she feels even though so much of her

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Speaker 1: misconceptions about her.

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Speaker 2: Kat Vondie, Welcome to Latino, USA.

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Speaker 6: Thank you so much for having me.

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Speaker 2: How do you identify actually what?

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Speaker 5: I just identify Latina because I would say I'm a

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Speaker 5: mixed of Latina, like because I think, you know, everybody

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Speaker 5: it's it's interesting because I was born in Mexico, although

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Speaker 5: my parents are from Argentina, so even my Spanish itself,

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Speaker 5: Like I feel like I don't really have a sense

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Speaker 5: of belonging when I go to either country because they're like,

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Speaker 5: you sound funny. You know, I can't win anywhere, you know,

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Speaker 5: But I kind of like that. I kind of like

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Speaker 5: that I'm my own, my own person, And I mean

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Speaker 5: that's another reason why I love LA because you have

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Speaker 5: such a melting pot of culture and subculture and like

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Speaker 5: it's a really unique place and it's a different, i guess,

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Speaker 6: Like you know, New York is different than here.

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Speaker 5: You know something about it here is it's it's just

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Speaker 5: because you know, I do run into Argentinians that were

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Speaker 5: I'm like, oh cool, I'm not alone, you know, but

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Speaker 5: I feel, you know, not to diss my my Argentinian heritage,

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Speaker 5: but I do feel a deeper sense of connection to

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Speaker 5: it's a different energy that I just connect with a

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Speaker 5: I feel a deeper connection to like an indigenous heritage,

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Speaker 6: Strikes the chord for me.

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Speaker 5: So but at the same time, you know, there's places

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Speaker 5: and there's so much beautiful, rich indigenous culture there too.

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Speaker 6: That's being forgotten.

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Speaker 1: You were born in Monte Morellos, Mexico, and I'm like,

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Speaker 5: Usually tell people Monterre because that's like the nearest city.

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Speaker 6: It was nice, I mean, it was very rural.

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Speaker 5: We were there because my my father was finishing all

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Speaker 5: his doctor stuff. He comes from a long line of

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Speaker 5: And it's like there was no medical attention given. So

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Speaker 5: And so that's how we were born in that little

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Speaker 6: You know, our floors were made out of packed dirt.

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Speaker 5: One of my favorite childhood photos of me is me

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Speaker 5: in a bucket, splashing around, just having the time of

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Speaker 1: You moved to LA when you're five, you had some

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Speaker 6: Oh yeah, what happened?

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Speaker 5: You know, what happened is that I just never felt

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Speaker 6: You know.

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Speaker 5: I was a straighter student and gifted and talented and

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Speaker 6: Discovered punk rock music.

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Speaker 5: You know, I saw these images of women on covers

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Speaker 5: Then I did the same thing. I shaved my head

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Speaker 6: So like to them, it was like.

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Speaker 5: Are we losing our daughter to Satan basically, you know,

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Speaker 6: And I don't blame them.

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Speaker 2: The tattoos.

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Speaker 1: Uh, you said you got your first one when you

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Speaker 2: And I did just have my eyebris Yeah, so that

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Speaker 1: Closest thing ever, Yeah, to understanding a little bit of

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Speaker 6: Yeah, maybe no, it's totally different.

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Speaker 5: But tell me then about But you know, when I

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Speaker 5: my first love ever.

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Speaker 6: His name was James.

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Speaker 5: I was fourteen, he was sixteen, and you know, we

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Speaker 6: They were just worried.

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Speaker 5: And so I was like, well, I don't want to

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Speaker 5: I can't imagine, you know, when you're fourteen, You're just like,

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Speaker 5: At the time, the show was a completely male casted show.

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Speaker 1: Cat's rise to fame in the mid odds coincided with

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Speaker 6: We have seen the.

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Speaker 5: I'm here to pick up my car and pick up

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Speaker 1: Central to maintaining relevance in this space is not just

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Speaker 1: In twenty ten, she was briefly engaged to biker and

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Speaker 1: But as the production process began for Cat's own show,

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Speaker 5: I think it's you know, this is our opportunity to

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Speaker 1: It has been so wonderful to speak with you. Thank

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Speaker 6: Oh Man, that the honor of pleasure. That's one hundred

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Speaker 1: Before we left, we got the opportunity to meet the

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Speaker 6: Just give me that.

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Speaker 2: I think we know what you want to do.

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Speaker 1: That it's with her son and her husband that Kat

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Speaker 6: It's not always happy around here, you know.

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Speaker 5: I got so much backlash this last few years and

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Speaker 5: But at the end of the day, like you know,

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