1 00:00:00,960 --> 00:00:04,280 Speaker 1: Hi. This is Laura Vandercam. I'm a mother of four, 2 00:00:04,600 --> 00:00:08,479 Speaker 1: an author, journalist, and speaker. And this is Sarah Hart Hunger. 3 00:00:08,840 --> 00:00:11,799 Speaker 1: I'm a mother of three, practicing physician and blogger. On 4 00:00:11,840 --> 00:00:14,640 Speaker 1: the side, we are two working parents who love our 5 00:00:14,680 --> 00:00:17,880 Speaker 1: careers and our families. Welcome to best of both worlds. 6 00:00:18,280 --> 00:00:21,560 Speaker 1: Here we talk about how real women manage work, family, 7 00:00:21,760 --> 00:00:25,360 Speaker 1: and time for fun, from figuring out childcare to mapping 8 00:00:25,400 --> 00:00:28,240 Speaker 1: out long term career goals. We want you to get 9 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:32,560 Speaker 1: the most out of life. Welcome to best of both worlds. 10 00:00:32,560 --> 00:00:35,519 Speaker 1: This is Laura. This is episode one hundred and twelve, 11 00:00:35,840 --> 00:00:40,160 Speaker 1: which is first airing in late September twenty nineteen. We 12 00:00:40,200 --> 00:00:43,360 Speaker 1: are going to be talking with Callie Lee today. Callie 13 00:00:43,720 --> 00:00:47,080 Speaker 1: is a very inspiring entrepreneur who has a great story 14 00:00:47,080 --> 00:00:51,560 Speaker 1: of starting her own digital mostly children's publishing business. How 15 00:00:51,600 --> 00:00:56,320 Speaker 1: she sees the opportunity of new digital tools to bring 16 00:00:56,400 --> 00:00:58,960 Speaker 1: stories to kids, modern kids in a brand new way. 17 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:03,640 Speaker 1: So we're going to hear from her about that. But first, 18 00:01:05,319 --> 00:01:08,559 Speaker 1: But first, oh man, I feel like we shouldn't reveal 19 00:01:08,600 --> 00:01:10,480 Speaker 1: it in the title. I want people to just yeah, no, 20 00:01:10,560 --> 00:01:12,960 Speaker 1: I can just be a prize and find out when 21 00:01:13,000 --> 00:01:16,160 Speaker 1: they're listening. Yeah, so we have a little personal announcement 22 00:01:16,200 --> 00:01:19,840 Speaker 1: here that the best of both world's family is growing. 23 00:01:20,680 --> 00:01:25,400 Speaker 1: We will have to re record the intro that this 24 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:29,920 Speaker 1: is Laura, my family and I. We are definitely Laura, Laura, 25 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:32,840 Speaker 1: not Sarah. She's like, no, no, no, no, no, no no, 26 00:01:33,080 --> 00:01:37,200 Speaker 1: but we are actually expecting another baby in January, so 27 00:01:37,319 --> 00:01:41,680 Speaker 1: number five joining the crew. I know. It is so exciting, 28 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:45,800 Speaker 1: it's totally cool. Yeah, so how are you How are 29 00:01:45,840 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: you feeling. I'm feeling good getting into it'll be a 30 00:01:50,760 --> 00:01:54,400 Speaker 1: five plus months at this point that this is the 31 00:01:54,520 --> 00:01:56,600 Speaker 1: reveal is coming out, And don't worry, We're going to 32 00:01:56,640 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 1: talk more about this in future episodes. Plenty of FOD 33 00:02:00,040 --> 00:02:04,880 Speaker 1: so entirely dedicated because why not, there's just so much 34 00:02:04,920 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 1: to unpack here and whatever Laura is willing to share 35 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:11,080 Speaker 1: about her new adventure. Everyone I know is going to 36 00:02:11,080 --> 00:02:14,680 Speaker 1: be excited about that, especially like you know, big bat 37 00:02:14,720 --> 00:02:17,760 Speaker 1: age spreads that you're now gonna have. Yeah, yeah, I know. 38 00:02:17,880 --> 00:02:21,000 Speaker 1: It's it's it's kind of crazy because my eldest is 39 00:02:21,040 --> 00:02:23,880 Speaker 1: twelve at the time the baby's born in January, will 40 00:02:23,880 --> 00:02:26,000 Speaker 1: have twelve year old, ten year old, eight year old, 41 00:02:26,840 --> 00:02:29,920 Speaker 1: almost five year old. So yeah, we've got quite a spread. 42 00:02:30,400 --> 00:02:34,920 Speaker 1: But I'm really you know, excited, like this is just 43 00:02:35,120 --> 00:02:39,440 Speaker 1: so fun to have the family grow. I mean, to 44 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:43,960 Speaker 1: look at cute little baby clothes again and to think 45 00:02:44,000 --> 00:02:46,840 Speaker 1: about all that. Let me say, baby GOLs, I do 46 00:02:46,880 --> 00:02:49,240 Speaker 1: get the tiniest bit jealous. Baby clothes are the best. 47 00:02:49,400 --> 00:02:52,240 Speaker 1: Baby clothes are the best. They never get really baby clothes, No, 48 00:02:52,639 --> 00:02:55,000 Speaker 1: They're so cute. And of course babies themselves are cool 49 00:02:55,000 --> 00:02:57,640 Speaker 1: and they turn into cool children, and that's you know 50 00:02:57,680 --> 00:03:00,959 Speaker 1: what I think about. Like, I so, you know, love 51 00:03:01,080 --> 00:03:03,519 Speaker 1: my four children, and I'm like, and there's gonna be 52 00:03:03,560 --> 00:03:07,799 Speaker 1: another one. I'm so cool to see that amazing combination 53 00:03:07,880 --> 00:03:10,480 Speaker 1: of jeans is going to turn into his or her 54 00:03:11,360 --> 00:03:14,200 Speaker 1: say his, it's his. We do this well, I knew, 55 00:03:14,280 --> 00:03:15,960 Speaker 1: but I wasn't sure if you were going to reveal 56 00:03:16,040 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: the gender on the base. Yeah, that's fine. Part of 57 00:03:19,520 --> 00:03:23,919 Speaker 1: being of advanced maternal age, as listeners know I am, 58 00:03:25,040 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 1: is that you wind up being screened for various things. 59 00:03:28,520 --> 00:03:31,840 Speaker 1: And I've had all sorts of sonograms related to that 60 00:03:32,160 --> 00:03:36,280 Speaker 1: and to other things, you know, being an older mom. 61 00:03:36,960 --> 00:03:39,760 Speaker 1: And so yeah, definitely know that it is a little boy. 62 00:03:40,920 --> 00:03:44,040 Speaker 1: So it means your middle child is it's so interesting 63 00:03:44,120 --> 00:03:52,360 Speaker 1: because like she can never complain about being middle because well, yeah, exactly, yeah, 64 00:03:52,400 --> 00:03:54,880 Speaker 1: I know. I mean it'll be a very masculine household, 65 00:03:55,400 --> 00:03:58,400 Speaker 1: which is one of the reasons that we ask CALLI 66 00:03:58,520 --> 00:04:01,880 Speaker 1: in the interview part of out Books for Little Boys, 67 00:04:02,080 --> 00:04:04,760 Speaker 1: because that's certainly something that's true. Little boys don't exist. 68 00:04:04,840 --> 00:04:06,920 Speaker 1: But when you asked that question, I was thinking of 69 00:04:06,960 --> 00:04:08,760 Speaker 1: like all the sci fi series that I see, and 70 00:04:08,800 --> 00:04:13,760 Speaker 1: I always feel like those look very like mailed I 71 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:15,640 Speaker 1: don't know, well, we have certainly have our fair share 72 00:04:15,640 --> 00:04:18,960 Speaker 1: of graphic novels in the house, and certainly the number 73 00:04:19,040 --> 00:04:23,160 Speaker 1: of truck books is ridiculous. But you still have all 74 00:04:23,200 --> 00:04:27,680 Speaker 1: your baby stuff. I hope you do, know. But it's 75 00:04:27,720 --> 00:04:29,520 Speaker 1: it's not because I was giving it away because I 76 00:04:29,520 --> 00:04:32,520 Speaker 1: was like, I'll never have another child, obviously, But it 77 00:04:32,560 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: was because Alex has destroyed everything because he is that 78 00:04:36,600 --> 00:04:40,280 Speaker 1: kind of kid. Uh So the crib is gone because 79 00:04:40,320 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: he broke it, the you know, car seats that probably 80 00:04:43,640 --> 00:04:46,080 Speaker 1: would be too old anyway, but he you know, pulled 81 00:04:46,080 --> 00:04:49,960 Speaker 1: all the stuffing out. He is uh you know, we 82 00:04:49,960 --> 00:04:54,320 Speaker 1: we we'll see you get to get new stuff, get 83 00:04:54,360 --> 00:04:56,600 Speaker 1: to get new stuff. I mean, we'll see if this 84 00:04:56,640 --> 00:04:59,240 Speaker 1: little boy is like him, but maybe he'll be totally 85 00:04:59,279 --> 00:05:04,360 Speaker 1: like calm and you know, actually, because they're so different. Yeah, 86 00:05:04,400 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: I mean I can see that with my three little 87 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:11,679 Speaker 1: boys already. But yeah, we're really excited. And so Sarah 88 00:05:11,800 --> 00:05:14,640 Speaker 1: is actually in the midst of a baby explosion among 89 00:05:14,640 --> 00:05:17,360 Speaker 1: her circles, friends and her family. So I told her, 90 00:05:17,440 --> 00:05:19,440 Speaker 1: she was like, you're not the only one I got 91 00:05:19,480 --> 00:05:21,760 Speaker 1: the news from you. Well, my my sister's going to 92 00:05:21,800 --> 00:05:23,640 Speaker 1: be an aunt on the other side of my family, 93 00:05:23,680 --> 00:05:26,400 Speaker 1: which I'm so excited about. My sister is due with 94 00:05:26,440 --> 00:05:29,440 Speaker 1: her first a baby girl, just within a week of 95 00:05:29,480 --> 00:05:31,560 Speaker 1: Laura's due dates, so that is super cool. In fact, 96 00:05:31,560 --> 00:05:33,239 Speaker 1: I always know what wek Laura is because my sister's 97 00:05:33,240 --> 00:05:35,919 Speaker 1: always sending me pictures. And then one of my best 98 00:05:35,960 --> 00:05:39,840 Speaker 1: friends from college is having twins. So yeah, it's just 99 00:05:39,880 --> 00:05:41,600 Speaker 1: going to be like a baby explosion. And I will 100 00:05:41,640 --> 00:05:45,080 Speaker 1: be honest that I'm I'm happy that this time I'm 101 00:05:45,400 --> 00:05:48,120 Speaker 1: it's not mine and I just get to celebrate with 102 00:05:48,200 --> 00:05:52,200 Speaker 1: everyone else. And actually I will mention just for full circle, 103 00:05:52,440 --> 00:05:57,520 Speaker 1: we finally weaned, so yeah, you're done with this twenty 104 00:05:57,520 --> 00:06:01,120 Speaker 1: months of age we did ended after our trip, so 105 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,760 Speaker 1: just as you're entering into that realm again, I have 106 00:06:03,839 --> 00:06:07,039 Speaker 1: officially left it. So yeah, we're gonna have to talk 107 00:06:07,080 --> 00:06:10,080 Speaker 1: and upcoming episodes about all the you know, new baby 108 00:06:10,120 --> 00:06:13,120 Speaker 1: products and things. I mean, but partly being I wasn't 109 00:06:13,120 --> 00:06:15,800 Speaker 1: on Instagram for Alex and I am now and I'm 110 00:06:15,800 --> 00:06:18,039 Speaker 1: getting all these ads and like, you know, pumps that 111 00:06:18,080 --> 00:06:21,359 Speaker 1: promise your life. You don't have to get pregnant. Of 112 00:06:21,360 --> 00:06:25,440 Speaker 1: course it does. It knows way before other people. You're 113 00:06:25,520 --> 00:06:28,359 Speaker 1: not publicly pregnant on Instagram, so how does it know? 114 00:06:28,480 --> 00:06:30,240 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm kind of creeped out by it 115 00:06:30,640 --> 00:06:33,520 Speaker 1: because of what you search for, right like, and so 116 00:06:33,760 --> 00:06:36,039 Speaker 1: if I was searching for breast pump once, like, it's 117 00:06:36,080 --> 00:06:40,000 Speaker 1: like it's forever forever you're getting ads. So yeah, the 118 00:06:40,040 --> 00:06:43,320 Speaker 1: creepiness of modern been tagged for the next time. However 119 00:06:43,320 --> 00:06:48,640 Speaker 1: many months Instagram knows before anything else. But anyway, so 120 00:06:48,680 --> 00:06:51,679 Speaker 1: more on that to come. But after that big reveal, 121 00:06:52,400 --> 00:06:56,200 Speaker 1: we are going to go into our great interview with Callie, 122 00:06:56,279 --> 00:06:59,640 Speaker 1: so stay tuned for that. Sarah and I are excited 123 00:06:59,640 --> 00:07:03,359 Speaker 1: to welcome Callie Lee to the podcast. Callie, can you 124 00:07:03,400 --> 00:07:07,280 Speaker 1: introduce yourself? To our listeners. Sure. My name is Callie Lee, 125 00:07:07,400 --> 00:07:10,360 Speaker 1: and I am the founder and president of Exist Publishing, 126 00:07:10,720 --> 00:07:13,520 Speaker 1: which is a children's book company for toddlers through ten 127 00:07:13,600 --> 00:07:17,480 Speaker 1: year olds. And I'd love to hear the story of 128 00:07:17,640 --> 00:07:20,360 Speaker 1: how Exist came to be because I think when I 129 00:07:20,480 --> 00:07:23,880 Speaker 1: first started corresponding with you a great many years ago, 130 00:07:24,040 --> 00:07:27,040 Speaker 1: you were sort of in a you're doing like freelance work. 131 00:07:27,960 --> 00:07:30,120 Speaker 1: Your husband was in a different job, like family situation, 132 00:07:30,320 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: very different. Can you talk about how this came to 133 00:07:32,320 --> 00:07:35,760 Speaker 1: be and how this has all evolved? Sure? And I 134 00:07:35,800 --> 00:07:39,320 Speaker 1: definitely credit you, Laura, as somebody that's been really influential 135 00:07:39,400 --> 00:07:41,680 Speaker 1: in this journey. So I appreciate all your help over 136 00:07:41,720 --> 00:07:47,040 Speaker 1: the years. When I was let's see, back in twenty ten, 137 00:07:47,400 --> 00:07:50,720 Speaker 1: my daughter was four, my son had just been born, 138 00:07:51,640 --> 00:07:55,240 Speaker 1: and I got a Kindle for my birthday and so 139 00:07:55,960 --> 00:08:00,240 Speaker 1: not ten, Yes, goodness, I got a Kindle for my 140 00:08:00,280 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: birthday and it was the old, clunky, black and white 141 00:08:02,800 --> 00:08:05,000 Speaker 1: kind And I was sitting on the couch and my 142 00:08:05,160 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: daughter said, Mom, will you read me a story? And 143 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:10,040 Speaker 1: I said, of course, honey, you know we read stories 144 00:08:10,040 --> 00:08:13,840 Speaker 1: in this house. Sure, And we went on the Kindle store, 145 00:08:13,840 --> 00:08:16,600 Speaker 1: which was very limited at that time, and there really 146 00:08:16,600 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: weren't any for children. So my background was in writing. 147 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:24,440 Speaker 1: I went to film school. I was doing a lot 148 00:08:24,480 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: of corporate video production at the time, and I said, honey, 149 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:31,840 Speaker 1: I'll make you one, and so very quickly I discovered 150 00:08:31,880 --> 00:08:36,240 Speaker 1: why no one else was making them because the technical 151 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:39,960 Speaker 1: limitations of the of the system at the time were 152 00:08:40,000 --> 00:08:45,560 Speaker 1: really really not designed for children's books with illustrations and text. 153 00:08:46,800 --> 00:08:51,320 Speaker 1: But I developed a process and over the course of 154 00:08:51,360 --> 00:08:55,120 Speaker 1: about three months, but I joined a GM to start 155 00:08:55,160 --> 00:08:58,960 Speaker 1: this project. But instead of working out, I used the 156 00:08:59,040 --> 00:09:02,800 Speaker 1: gym daycare, which was fantastic and the gym coffee shop, 157 00:09:03,040 --> 00:09:07,080 Speaker 1: which was also fantastic, to start figuring out how to 158 00:09:07,120 --> 00:09:11,160 Speaker 1: make children's ebooks. And over the course of a summer 159 00:09:11,880 --> 00:09:14,240 Speaker 1: we went to the gym three times a week, I 160 00:09:14,280 --> 00:09:17,920 Speaker 1: worked out all of once. But I developed a system 161 00:09:18,080 --> 00:09:23,240 Speaker 1: for turning illustrated content into children's e books. So in 162 00:09:23,360 --> 00:09:28,959 Speaker 1: twenty eleven we launched with three titles that summer, and 163 00:09:29,000 --> 00:09:31,280 Speaker 1: then by the end of the year, I think we 164 00:09:31,360 --> 00:09:35,440 Speaker 1: had eight total, and it was kind of chunking along. 165 00:09:35,440 --> 00:09:39,600 Speaker 1: We just did a really interesting data dive into the 166 00:09:39,679 --> 00:09:42,560 Speaker 1: history of our revenue, and that year we paid for 167 00:09:42,760 --> 00:09:45,560 Speaker 1: childcare out of the business and that was about it. 168 00:09:46,320 --> 00:09:50,160 Speaker 1: But that Christmas, the kindle Hire came out and so 169 00:09:50,520 --> 00:09:54,080 Speaker 1: we were one of the very few people making books 170 00:09:54,120 --> 00:10:00,880 Speaker 1: for digital devices, and the market exploded. So twenty twelve, 171 00:10:00,960 --> 00:10:05,640 Speaker 1: I think we published around eighty titles, and we very 172 00:10:05,679 --> 00:10:09,080 Speaker 1: quickly started getting emails from parents saying, you know, my 173 00:10:09,160 --> 00:10:11,960 Speaker 1: kid loves this ebook. Can I buy a paperback version 174 00:10:12,559 --> 00:10:16,920 Speaker 1: for a birthday party? So we added paperbacks. About three 175 00:10:17,000 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: or four years later, I started getting emails from librarians saying, 176 00:10:21,360 --> 00:10:23,400 Speaker 1: you know, your books are lovely. Do you have them 177 00:10:23,400 --> 00:10:25,760 Speaker 1: in hardcover editions that we can put in our library. 178 00:10:26,440 --> 00:10:29,440 Speaker 1: So today we have a catalog of around seven hundred 179 00:10:29,440 --> 00:10:36,479 Speaker 1: and fifty unique children's books. We sell paperback, hardcovers, digital schools, libraries, 180 00:10:36,720 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 1: retail outlets, and it's been a really, really fun ride. Yeah, 181 00:10:40,640 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: that's so cool, and I feel like it's probably backwards 182 00:10:44,040 --> 00:10:46,599 Speaker 1: from what most places do, right, Like they start with 183 00:10:46,640 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: all this paper and they're like, Okay, we have to 184 00:10:48,200 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: go digital, and you guys prove that you created your 185 00:10:51,040 --> 00:10:53,160 Speaker 1: own path. You went the other way. That's so cool. 186 00:10:53,200 --> 00:10:55,600 Speaker 1: It is completely opposite, and it's always really fun when 187 00:10:55,640 --> 00:10:59,600 Speaker 1: I'm at kind of industry sorts of meetings and pitching 188 00:10:59,640 --> 00:11:02,440 Speaker 1: our story for the first time because I get that 189 00:11:02,480 --> 00:11:06,200 Speaker 1: look of how did you do that? That's completely opposite, 190 00:11:06,280 --> 00:11:09,560 Speaker 1: but it's worked for us. Yeah. And one of your 191 00:11:09,640 --> 00:11:12,520 Speaker 1: interesting parts of your business model when you and I 192 00:11:12,559 --> 00:11:17,560 Speaker 1: were talking about this earlier, Cali, there's ebook subscription services, right, 193 00:11:17,679 --> 00:11:19,400 Speaker 1: and so that's a big part of it. That the 194 00:11:19,400 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 1: whole business model is entirely different than the sort of 195 00:11:22,000 --> 00:11:26,280 Speaker 1: one off purchasing that goes on with paperbacks and hardcovering exactly. 196 00:11:26,960 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: So you know, we ship books all the time, but 197 00:11:31,679 --> 00:11:35,080 Speaker 1: I absolutely love the e book subscription model. And you know, 198 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: it's like Spotify or Netflix for children's books. And we 199 00:11:37,920 --> 00:11:40,720 Speaker 1: have a couple of different partners, one of which I 200 00:11:40,760 --> 00:11:43,439 Speaker 1: will recommend to your readers over or your viewers over 201 00:11:43,480 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 1: and over, which is called Epic and Epic Books Books 202 00:11:47,480 --> 00:11:51,200 Speaker 1: for Kids is absolutely fantastic. There's twenty or thirty thousand 203 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,559 Speaker 1: e books in their catalog and kids just click and 204 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:57,000 Speaker 1: a lot of them have read a lout audio and 205 00:11:57,360 --> 00:12:01,800 Speaker 1: it makes story time, whether they're reading individually or parents 206 00:12:01,800 --> 00:12:05,360 Speaker 1: reading to kids, so much more fluid than going to 207 00:12:05,400 --> 00:12:07,880 Speaker 1: the store buying a book, going to the library, having 208 00:12:07,880 --> 00:12:10,800 Speaker 1: to bring the books back. We we absolutely love it. 209 00:12:11,480 --> 00:12:13,160 Speaker 1: And one of the cool things about this as a 210 00:12:13,200 --> 00:12:16,960 Speaker 1: publisher is you can see what people are clicking on 211 00:12:17,559 --> 00:12:20,200 Speaker 1: instantly and you can see if they abandon stuff, right. 212 00:12:20,280 --> 00:12:23,000 Speaker 1: I mean, that's so theoretically someone is seeing that. We 213 00:12:23,040 --> 00:12:25,080 Speaker 1: are not someone to say that you're not You're not 214 00:12:25,120 --> 00:12:27,600 Speaker 1: immediately from that, but you get more data than you 215 00:12:27,600 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 1: than you would get from like what are my library 216 00:12:29,720 --> 00:12:34,040 Speaker 1: checkouts over time like that that's a very delayed market. Yeah, 217 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 1: we do. We get pretty good data, and you know, 218 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,160 Speaker 1: we make decisions based on that data, which is really fun. 219 00:12:41,000 --> 00:12:44,000 Speaker 1: We have a very very popular series of joke books, 220 00:12:44,520 --> 00:12:48,199 Speaker 1: and so we make more joke books and it's been really, 221 00:12:48,200 --> 00:12:53,120 Speaker 1: really fun. It turns out that they are perennially popular. 222 00:12:53,640 --> 00:12:56,280 Speaker 1: Who would have thought? Who would have Well, I could 223 00:12:56,280 --> 00:12:58,959 Speaker 1: tell you from from the humor in my house around 224 00:12:58,960 --> 00:13:02,960 Speaker 1: the dinner table. But you know, we sort of you 225 00:13:03,040 --> 00:13:06,040 Speaker 1: meet the market demand. What can I say? So? I mean, 226 00:13:06,080 --> 00:13:09,160 Speaker 1: one of the things I've we wanted to talk with 227 00:13:09,200 --> 00:13:12,080 Speaker 1: you about is about really good children's books that have 228 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:14,640 Speaker 1: stood the test of time. I mean, both you as 229 00:13:14,640 --> 00:13:16,920 Speaker 1: a parent reader and what you see in the industry. 230 00:13:17,960 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 1: You know, so if we're thinking about books to give 231 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:21,440 Speaker 1: as gifts, or books we might want to check out 232 00:13:21,520 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: or buy for our own children that they're going to 233 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,679 Speaker 1: want to read six times, and we won't be sad 234 00:13:26,679 --> 00:13:28,600 Speaker 1: that they want to read six times in a row. 235 00:13:29,040 --> 00:13:31,280 Speaker 1: I wonder if you could give us some suggestions of 236 00:13:31,559 --> 00:13:34,920 Speaker 1: good titles for that sure. So I think you know, 237 00:13:35,280 --> 00:13:37,880 Speaker 1: one of the things that's as hard as a parent 238 00:13:38,640 --> 00:13:42,520 Speaker 1: is that our kids keep changing. It's wonderful that they 239 00:13:42,559 --> 00:13:45,640 Speaker 1: grow up, but just when you hit that groove, then 240 00:13:45,679 --> 00:13:48,520 Speaker 1: they're they're over it again. So with books, it's the 241 00:13:48,520 --> 00:13:52,400 Speaker 1: same thing. And you know, for your baby's and toddlers, 242 00:13:53,559 --> 00:13:56,000 Speaker 1: they're not going to be listening to the picture books 243 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:59,720 Speaker 1: that you maybe want to listen to. But we love 244 00:14:00,720 --> 00:14:04,560 Speaker 1: Stack the Cats as a board book is hilarious and 245 00:14:04,800 --> 00:14:07,880 Speaker 1: involves a lot of counting in math. And you know, 246 00:14:08,080 --> 00:14:11,920 Speaker 1: my son maybe listened to the Little Boot, Blue Truck 247 00:14:11,960 --> 00:14:16,680 Speaker 1: books over and over and over again, and so One 248 00:14:16,800 --> 00:14:20,320 Speaker 1: Duck Stuck was another favorite board book in our house. 249 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:23,240 Speaker 1: And so kind of you finding those board books. You know, 250 00:14:23,360 --> 00:14:25,920 Speaker 1: you get to make the decision as a parent when 251 00:14:25,960 --> 00:14:29,080 Speaker 1: they're little that you don't mind reading over and over 252 00:14:29,160 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: and you know once again, go to the library, go 253 00:14:31,160 --> 00:14:34,680 Speaker 1: to subscription services and get lots. My big philosophy with 254 00:14:34,800 --> 00:14:39,400 Speaker 1: children's books is more is always better. Not every time 255 00:14:40,040 --> 00:14:41,760 Speaker 1: you know, do you want more in your life, But 256 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: with children's books, the more you have, the less you 257 00:14:44,320 --> 00:14:46,440 Speaker 1: have to read the horrible ones over and over again. 258 00:14:47,360 --> 00:14:49,720 Speaker 1: And there are some horrible ones out there. But before 259 00:14:49,760 --> 00:14:51,480 Speaker 1: we segue into that, we're just going to take a 260 00:14:51,560 --> 00:14:55,880 Speaker 1: quick break for a word from our sponsors. Listeners. We 261 00:14:56,040 --> 00:14:59,040 Speaker 1: know that hiring isn't as simple as just putting an 262 00:14:59,080 --> 00:15:01,520 Speaker 1: ad in the paper or posting to a job board. 263 00:15:01,520 --> 00:15:04,240 Speaker 1: It's far more complicated than that. 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But what do you think, what are the 288 00:16:25,080 --> 00:16:27,880 Speaker 1: characteristics of some books that tend to be maybe only 289 00:16:27,920 --> 00:16:30,240 Speaker 1: looked at once or not gotten all the way through. 290 00:16:31,320 --> 00:16:35,480 Speaker 1: We made it our mission to publish books that inspire 291 00:16:35,600 --> 00:16:39,920 Speaker 1: discovery and delight in children. And so when when I've 292 00:16:39,960 --> 00:16:44,280 Speaker 1: read picture books as a parent, the books that I 293 00:16:44,360 --> 00:16:49,080 Speaker 1: really hate are the ones that are very didactic they're trying, 294 00:16:49,120 --> 00:16:52,440 Speaker 1: you know, to teach my kid to use manners or something, 295 00:16:53,240 --> 00:16:59,160 Speaker 1: or they're trying to force something on children that they 296 00:16:59,160 --> 00:17:02,840 Speaker 1: don't care about. Whether it's all sorts of different things 297 00:17:03,160 --> 00:17:05,960 Speaker 1: that can end up in a book. They're no fun 298 00:17:06,160 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 1: for kids and they're no fun for parents. And so 299 00:17:09,160 --> 00:17:11,959 Speaker 1: if a story can inspire discovery, they want to learn 300 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:13,639 Speaker 1: about the world, They want to count, they want to 301 00:17:13,720 --> 00:17:17,680 Speaker 1: learn their ABC's, they want to learn facts about get goos. 302 00:17:18,320 --> 00:17:21,280 Speaker 1: Those are the books that were really interested in. And 303 00:17:21,320 --> 00:17:24,720 Speaker 1: then I think make great picture books. Whoever publishes them, Yeah, 304 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:27,560 Speaker 1: that's great. And we talked a little bit about board books, 305 00:17:28,000 --> 00:17:30,159 Speaker 1: some good ones there. What about as we get to 306 00:17:30,200 --> 00:17:35,360 Speaker 1: older readers. I know that, particularly for my older children, 307 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,400 Speaker 1: I'm having trouble sort of understand what series are out 308 00:17:39,400 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: there right now that they might get into, and particularly 309 00:17:42,960 --> 00:17:46,840 Speaker 1: if you know you've got a son. So it seems 310 00:17:46,880 --> 00:17:48,280 Speaker 1: to me that a lot of books are kind of 311 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,320 Speaker 1: aimed at girls, and I would like to be able 312 00:17:51,400 --> 00:17:53,960 Speaker 1: to recommend so we're aimed at boys. Actually though, I 313 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:57,000 Speaker 1: feel like, yeah, I want some gender neutral recommendations, some 314 00:17:57,080 --> 00:17:59,520 Speaker 1: gender neutral or even you know, ones that may be 315 00:17:59,600 --> 00:18:03,320 Speaker 1: aimed at boys, but that there's some reluctant readers that 316 00:18:04,000 --> 00:18:06,679 Speaker 1: you know could could use some good books. So how 317 00:18:06,680 --> 00:18:10,200 Speaker 1: about for older children, what do you recommend there? So 318 00:18:10,280 --> 00:18:13,920 Speaker 1: for older children, I think there's two paths, So one 319 00:18:14,000 --> 00:18:17,440 Speaker 1: is when they're reading independently and one are read alouds. 320 00:18:17,520 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: And it's been our policy in our house that I 321 00:18:21,480 --> 00:18:25,160 Speaker 1: read at bedtime for somewhere between fifteen and thirty minutes 322 00:18:25,200 --> 00:18:29,280 Speaker 1: every night that I'm home. And so my son is 323 00:18:29,400 --> 00:18:34,160 Speaker 1: nine now and he is reading on his own, and 324 00:18:34,200 --> 00:18:36,719 Speaker 1: he was very, very pleased that this Monday the latest 325 00:18:36,720 --> 00:18:40,000 Speaker 1: dog Man book dropped and so it was met with 326 00:18:40,000 --> 00:18:43,080 Speaker 1: great rejoicing and all was happy in the house. And 327 00:18:43,359 --> 00:18:47,520 Speaker 1: graphic novels are a godsend for kids who are reluctant 328 00:18:47,520 --> 00:18:50,879 Speaker 1: readers or even voracious readers who just want something different. 329 00:18:51,680 --> 00:18:56,800 Speaker 1: We've loved the Ambulet series in our house, and Zid 330 00:18:56,800 --> 00:18:59,199 Speaker 1: of the Space Girl is a very It has a 331 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,200 Speaker 1: girl character, but there's boys in it. And both of 332 00:19:02,240 --> 00:19:06,280 Speaker 1: those serieses are fun graphic novels that really can appeal 333 00:19:06,400 --> 00:19:09,680 Speaker 1: to kids at that kind of age in reading range. 334 00:19:10,400 --> 00:19:12,960 Speaker 1: One of the things we've done as well in the 335 00:19:13,359 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: Reader Outside is you know, yes, I have read a 336 00:19:17,200 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: few more contemporary books to them, but I've really tried 337 00:19:20,720 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: to focus on at least every other book reading something 338 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:27,359 Speaker 1: from the classics, because it's not something that he's going 339 00:19:27,400 --> 00:19:30,199 Speaker 1: to pick up and read on his own. Usually that 340 00:19:30,240 --> 00:19:33,040 Speaker 1: first chapter is a little slow, so you know, we 341 00:19:33,160 --> 00:19:35,080 Speaker 1: just all have to kind of get through it. And 342 00:19:35,480 --> 00:19:38,000 Speaker 1: I'm not afraid to abandon books. I have tried reading 343 00:19:38,080 --> 00:19:40,400 Speaker 1: Treasure Island like three or four times, and I absolutely 344 00:19:40,400 --> 00:19:42,800 Speaker 1: hate it. And I know that, you know, lots of 345 00:19:42,840 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 1: people feel very differently, but it's not for us. And 346 00:19:46,440 --> 00:19:50,399 Speaker 1: so he loved The Call of the Wild. He loved 347 00:19:50,440 --> 00:19:53,840 Speaker 1: the Pollyanna books, which you wouldn't think. He's a big, 348 00:19:53,960 --> 00:19:57,560 Speaker 1: rough and tumble boy, but Pollyanna is a great story, 349 00:19:57,600 --> 00:20:00,520 Speaker 1: and there's a sequel when she's a young lady and 350 00:20:00,560 --> 00:20:03,679 Speaker 1: it's really really well done, and I didn't realize that 351 00:20:03,800 --> 00:20:08,000 Speaker 1: until I read it. So interesting, I feel like, yeah, 352 00:20:08,080 --> 00:20:10,400 Speaker 1: I tried Little House on the Prairie a year ago, 353 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:12,200 Speaker 1: and I'm willing to try it at least one more time. 354 00:20:12,240 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 1: But it didn't go over well. And if it doesn't 355 00:20:15,560 --> 00:20:19,440 Speaker 1: go overwell, that's okay. There's a yeah, a certain pacing 356 00:20:19,520 --> 00:20:22,359 Speaker 1: element of books that were written like one hundred years ago, 357 00:20:23,000 --> 00:20:24,919 Speaker 1: which you just have to remember they didn't have cable, 358 00:20:25,160 --> 00:20:29,600 Speaker 1: they didn't have you know, cell phones, so that you 359 00:20:29,880 --> 00:20:32,200 Speaker 1: were stuck with the sort of entertainment options you had, 360 00:20:32,240 --> 00:20:36,560 Speaker 1: and lengthiness was not a problem in these circles. It 361 00:20:36,640 --> 00:20:39,080 Speaker 1: was a benefit of benefit because you're trying to fill time. 362 00:20:39,560 --> 00:20:41,919 Speaker 1: And I did want to clarify with you. So you 363 00:20:41,960 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: said that you do reading time every night. Do you 364 00:20:43,720 --> 00:20:46,040 Speaker 1: still read aloud with your kids or this has now 365 00:20:46,080 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: become their own reading time or so. My daughter is 366 00:20:49,080 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 1: twelve now and she has really moved on, which is 367 00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:56,200 Speaker 1: kind of a bummer but kind of part of life. 368 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,320 Speaker 1: She's reading on her own. It's okay. Yeah, but read 369 00:21:00,359 --> 00:21:03,919 Speaker 1: to my son and when the story is of interest 370 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:08,840 Speaker 1: to her, she will pop back in for that. Totally cool. Yeah, 371 00:21:08,880 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 1: it's hard. It's it's hard to you know, you begin 372 00:21:11,359 --> 00:21:13,800 Speaker 1: that ritual when they're so young and then it evolves, 373 00:21:13,920 --> 00:21:16,400 Speaker 1: and I guess it would be very bittersweet to see 374 00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:18,719 Speaker 1: it stop. But at some point then you can embrace 375 00:21:18,760 --> 00:21:20,480 Speaker 1: ooh no, I get to read my own novel while 376 00:21:22,119 --> 00:21:26,000 Speaker 1: immerses themselves. Yeah. Well, I'm curious what other ideas you 377 00:21:26,160 --> 00:21:30,640 Speaker 1: have for parents who are trying to bring up readers. 378 00:21:30,640 --> 00:21:32,840 Speaker 1: I know a lot of listeners of this podcast love 379 00:21:32,880 --> 00:21:35,040 Speaker 1: books and love reading, and it's always one of those 380 00:21:35,080 --> 00:21:36,920 Speaker 1: things that people tell me they'd like to spend more 381 00:21:36,960 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: time doing, and it's something we'd like our children to do. 382 00:21:40,040 --> 00:21:43,320 Speaker 1: So what are some good sort of household rules, household 383 00:21:43,320 --> 00:21:46,280 Speaker 1: strategies that parents can put in place to encourage reading 384 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: among their kids. So all of the data shows that, 385 00:21:50,680 --> 00:21:53,760 Speaker 1: like I said, quantity is actually key. The more books 386 00:21:53,840 --> 00:21:57,240 Speaker 1: you have in your house, the more likely your children 387 00:21:57,320 --> 00:22:00,960 Speaker 1: will grow up to successful adults. So sometimes it's just 388 00:22:01,000 --> 00:22:04,120 Speaker 1: a matter of having the books around and then modeling 389 00:22:04,160 --> 00:22:06,720 Speaker 1: that behavior as a parent. So when your kids see 390 00:22:06,760 --> 00:22:08,960 Speaker 1: you reading, and even if it's reading on your phone, 391 00:22:09,080 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 1: some people say, oh, it's got to be in the 392 00:22:10,520 --> 00:22:12,720 Speaker 1: paper book. But as long as you, as a parent 393 00:22:12,760 --> 00:22:15,399 Speaker 1: are making it very clear, hey, I'm reading on my 394 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:18,359 Speaker 1: you know iBooks or Kindle app on my phone and 395 00:22:18,560 --> 00:22:22,600 Speaker 1: this is what you know, I'm finding interesting. Discussing that 396 00:22:22,640 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: with your children obviously when it's you know, appropriate, or 397 00:22:26,080 --> 00:22:28,199 Speaker 1: you can find something that they might be interested in, 398 00:22:28,880 --> 00:22:32,800 Speaker 1: really models that behavior of readers. Another thing we've done 399 00:22:33,000 --> 00:22:37,160 Speaker 1: is we love audio books, so putting audiobooks on for 400 00:22:37,320 --> 00:22:40,000 Speaker 1: long car rides. We do a couple of those a year, 401 00:22:40,600 --> 00:22:44,240 Speaker 1: putting audiobooks on sometimes just for the short drives when 402 00:22:44,280 --> 00:22:48,000 Speaker 1: you need some quiet listening to a story building. That 403 00:22:48,119 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 1: habit of listening and ingesting stories, I think is part 404 00:22:52,440 --> 00:22:55,439 Speaker 1: of what makes us human. And so the more kids 405 00:22:55,520 --> 00:22:58,520 Speaker 1: have stories in their lives, the more they are going 406 00:22:58,600 --> 00:23:01,879 Speaker 1: to seek it out on their own. Cool, Well, do 407 00:23:01,880 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: you want to give us some of your specific favorites. 408 00:23:04,600 --> 00:23:06,600 Speaker 1: We definitely have a couple of our own, and I 409 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,120 Speaker 1: don't know, Laura, if we want to share it here, 410 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,600 Speaker 1: maybe more in the intro, But well, what's getting read 411 00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:14,440 Speaker 1: in the Unger household right now? I mean, what's what's 412 00:23:14,520 --> 00:23:18,080 Speaker 1: on rotation there? Well in the you know, we've got 413 00:23:18,160 --> 00:23:22,679 Speaker 1: multiple levels of books going on. You know. One crowd 414 00:23:22,720 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 1: pleaser that will will please my almost two year old 415 00:23:26,400 --> 00:23:28,320 Speaker 1: to my seven and a half year old is basically 416 00:23:28,359 --> 00:23:31,760 Speaker 1: anything by Moe Willem, Like really, you can't go wrong, 417 00:23:31,800 --> 00:23:34,960 Speaker 1: from the Knuffle Bunny to all the like Pigeon books 418 00:23:35,000 --> 00:23:38,879 Speaker 1: to all of the Elephant and Piggy Like, seriously, my 419 00:23:38,880 --> 00:23:40,639 Speaker 1: two year old, I will actually sit there because I 420 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,640 Speaker 1: think there's something about the different voices in the word 421 00:23:42,640 --> 00:23:45,199 Speaker 1: bubbles that keeps her interested. And then my seven and 422 00:23:45,200 --> 00:23:47,000 Speaker 1: a half year old, who can obviously read her stuff, 423 00:23:47,040 --> 00:23:49,320 Speaker 1: still loves to like sometimes she'll want to play a 424 00:23:49,400 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 1: role or whatever. So I would say that's like our 425 00:23:52,119 --> 00:23:54,040 Speaker 1: go to and we will. We will at the bookstore, 426 00:23:54,080 --> 00:23:56,120 Speaker 1: like if we see a new one then we don't have, well, 427 00:23:56,200 --> 00:23:58,320 Speaker 1: we'll grab it. We'll get that excited. And then my 428 00:23:58,400 --> 00:24:01,919 Speaker 1: other favorite favorite author for more of Annabelle, so my 429 00:24:01,960 --> 00:24:06,480 Speaker 1: seven year old's age, is Abbi Hanlin. She is a writer. 430 00:24:06,600 --> 00:24:10,439 Speaker 1: She does these like illustrated chapter books under a series 431 00:24:10,480 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 1: called Dori Phantasmagry and the Hero. It is a girl 432 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,880 Speaker 1: figure as a but it's not a girly series at all. 433 00:24:17,280 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 1: And her pictures are just like they're they're just adorable. 434 00:24:20,760 --> 00:24:22,680 Speaker 1: But it's like kind of like a little bit snarky too, 435 00:24:22,760 --> 00:24:25,440 Speaker 1: and it's just it's great. It's my favorite. I think 436 00:24:25,440 --> 00:24:28,560 Speaker 1: the adorable and snarky is is helpful a good combo. 437 00:24:28,640 --> 00:24:31,560 Speaker 1: I gotta say my kids have go for the slightly 438 00:24:31,600 --> 00:24:34,920 Speaker 1: snarky or slightly subversive. We have one book that most 439 00:24:34,960 --> 00:24:37,240 Speaker 1: of my children have loved called I Really Want to 440 00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:42,280 Speaker 1: Eat a Child that is about a young alligator or 441 00:24:42,320 --> 00:24:46,160 Speaker 1: crocodile perhaps who has this idea that he really wants 442 00:24:46,200 --> 00:24:48,600 Speaker 1: to eat a child. And it goes back and forth 443 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: with his parents about this, and you know, at the 444 00:24:50,800 --> 00:24:52,840 Speaker 1: end he meets a child and it doesn't turn out 445 00:24:52,920 --> 00:24:56,080 Speaker 1: quite the way he's hoping. But it's it's it's sort 446 00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 1: of subversive or the who stole my hat? Or where 447 00:24:59,840 --> 00:25:02,520 Speaker 1: this this is not my hat? The John John is 448 00:25:02,520 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: a class Yeah, yeah that he's He's won awards for that. 449 00:25:05,920 --> 00:25:08,520 Speaker 1: But yeah, they're a little bit subversive. I mean, you know, 450 00:25:08,640 --> 00:25:12,480 Speaker 1: the characters get eaten and it has to be done 451 00:25:12,560 --> 00:25:14,600 Speaker 1: right though, you know, like there's like this fine line 452 00:25:15,600 --> 00:25:19,520 Speaker 1: terrifying and just like naughty, and I think if you're 453 00:25:19,560 --> 00:25:22,200 Speaker 1: slightly on the naughty, which is as Callie's found from 454 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:26,719 Speaker 1: her her series of fart joke books, is uh, you know, 455 00:25:26,920 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: that's a good place to be to keep keep people interested. 456 00:25:31,080 --> 00:25:33,560 Speaker 1: We found there was a picture book called Do Not 457 00:25:33,640 --> 00:25:39,080 Speaker 1: Open This Book by Mikela Montine that they loved, like 458 00:25:39,280 --> 00:25:41,720 Speaker 1: this was an every night kind of rotation and it 459 00:25:41,800 --> 00:25:44,440 Speaker 1: was it was very meta about a pig who's writing 460 00:25:44,480 --> 00:25:47,600 Speaker 1: a book, and it's very snarky, and those sorts of 461 00:25:47,600 --> 00:25:50,800 Speaker 1: things really get kids engage when you can find that. 462 00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:55,880 Speaker 1: Doctor DeSoto by William Steig was my favorite picture book 463 00:25:55,880 --> 00:25:58,960 Speaker 1: as a kid, and my kids loved it too. And 464 00:25:59,000 --> 00:26:01,040 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a and tis too has to 465 00:26:01,359 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: you know, fix a tooth on a fox. And I 466 00:26:03,800 --> 00:26:06,640 Speaker 1: think kids really love when they have those situations where 467 00:26:06,640 --> 00:26:09,280 Speaker 1: they can sort of take control or see a character 468 00:26:09,359 --> 00:26:12,600 Speaker 1: taking control of the world in a really fun and 469 00:26:12,720 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: unique sort of way. Yeah, I think, And as you 470 00:26:17,080 --> 00:26:18,919 Speaker 1: were saying, I mean the books that are too didactic, 471 00:26:18,960 --> 00:26:21,800 Speaker 1: like let's all learn our numbers together, because learning our 472 00:26:21,920 --> 00:26:24,639 Speaker 1: numbers it's fun. You're like, not like that, it's not 473 00:26:25,720 --> 00:26:28,960 Speaker 1: so let's uh, you know, you can move work it 474 00:26:29,040 --> 00:26:32,760 Speaker 1: in somehow. But so Actually, Sarah and I have a 475 00:26:32,760 --> 00:26:35,680 Speaker 1: disagreement on a one book that maybe we can get 476 00:26:35,680 --> 00:26:38,440 Speaker 1: you to weigh in as as a third vote, which 477 00:26:38,480 --> 00:26:43,359 Speaker 1: is Richard scary? Is it scary or sorry? Okay, all right, 478 00:26:43,480 --> 00:26:45,880 Speaker 1: we don't really have a disagreement. I'm not gonna sit 479 00:26:45,920 --> 00:26:47,920 Speaker 1: here and say like it's a bad book. I am 480 00:26:47,960 --> 00:26:51,399 Speaker 1: just I find it so annoying. Cars and trucks and 481 00:26:51,440 --> 00:26:53,639 Speaker 1: things that go by the way. I am very familiar 482 00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:58,040 Speaker 1: with cars. Yes, my problem with the book is that 483 00:26:58,080 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 1: each page has that little gold bug guy, and my 484 00:27:00,520 --> 00:27:02,800 Speaker 1: kids get into like a war over who will find 485 00:27:02,800 --> 00:27:06,920 Speaker 1: it first, that like it, it's not good, so's there's 486 00:27:07,000 --> 00:27:10,960 Speaker 1: conflict over gold bug. And it's four pages long, every 487 00:27:10,960 --> 00:27:14,000 Speaker 1: single exactly, it's like repeated conflict, and I just I 488 00:27:14,080 --> 00:27:16,280 Speaker 1: like sort of had to hide that book after a while. 489 00:27:16,480 --> 00:27:19,520 Speaker 1: I have never been a fan of and I can't 490 00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,359 Speaker 1: remember cars and trucks and things that go has it, 491 00:27:21,680 --> 00:27:24,439 Speaker 1: but the books that have story and then labels for 492 00:27:24,520 --> 00:27:28,639 Speaker 1: all of the things, because at a certain level, the 493 00:27:28,720 --> 00:27:31,520 Speaker 1: kids would realize that you weren't reading all of the labels, 494 00:27:31,800 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 1: and then you had to stop and point and go through. 495 00:27:34,920 --> 00:27:37,199 Speaker 1: Like sometimes you could just skip and read one on 496 00:27:37,240 --> 00:27:40,840 Speaker 1: a page, but I am I'm not that parent that 497 00:27:40,920 --> 00:27:42,760 Speaker 1: wants to point out all of the details on a 498 00:27:42,800 --> 00:27:45,920 Speaker 1: sixty four page book. So maybe I've just stopped reading 499 00:27:46,000 --> 00:27:47,640 Speaker 1: the books to kids at the point where they become 500 00:27:47,680 --> 00:27:51,080 Speaker 1: literate enough to realize that you're not reading all the words. 501 00:27:51,480 --> 00:27:54,320 Speaker 1: So we can zoom through cars and trucks. But we've 502 00:27:54,320 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 1: also brought it along as a book on a vacation 503 00:27:57,080 --> 00:27:59,560 Speaker 1: because then it's like one book, but it can fill 504 00:27:59,640 --> 00:28:02,920 Speaker 1: a lot of time, which is sometimes a good thing, 505 00:28:02,960 --> 00:28:06,399 Speaker 1: and we'll only we for whatever. My kids have seemed 506 00:28:06,400 --> 00:28:07,880 Speaker 1: to be okay with the rule of like, oh, we're 507 00:28:07,880 --> 00:28:10,159 Speaker 1: only going to read ten pages of this, So I 508 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:13,879 Speaker 1: think if you know you have that, then we know 509 00:28:13,960 --> 00:28:19,280 Speaker 1: both of us are like that, go over, that's good. Yeah. 510 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,280 Speaker 1: Apparently I'm just less good at reading because after we 511 00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:26,000 Speaker 1: can stop. Now, I don't think mine. I think mine 512 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:27,240 Speaker 1: just don't want to go to bed. I don't. I 513 00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,480 Speaker 1: think we could be doing like organizing the socks, and 514 00:28:29,520 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: they probably would be like, no, we could go to 515 00:28:31,600 --> 00:28:37,640 Speaker 1: all the socks. Well, Kelly, so what what are you reading? Now? 516 00:28:37,840 --> 00:28:41,320 Speaker 1: Like we you know, do you have any particular times 517 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:44,400 Speaker 1: of day that you read? And I know that probably 518 00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,040 Speaker 1: being in the publishing business, you got to read all 519 00:28:46,040 --> 00:28:47,560 Speaker 1: sorts of stuff that you may not wish to read. 520 00:28:48,040 --> 00:28:50,640 Speaker 1: But when you get to your your pleasure reading time, 521 00:28:50,760 --> 00:28:52,840 Speaker 1: when is that? How do you fit it in in 522 00:28:52,880 --> 00:28:56,680 Speaker 1: your busy life? And what are you reading now? So 523 00:28:57,080 --> 00:29:01,600 Speaker 1: I read most of the time. My son was a 524 00:29:01,640 --> 00:29:05,960 Speaker 1: fantastic baby. He was one of those magic baby sleepers. However, 525 00:29:06,560 --> 00:29:10,200 Speaker 1: once he had his own bed, that magic baby stopped 526 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,320 Speaker 1: and I got in a habit of sitting in there 527 00:29:12,480 --> 00:29:15,520 Speaker 1: and waiting for him to fall asleep, which we're you know, 528 00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,160 Speaker 1: seven years into that habit, and so it will it 529 00:29:18,200 --> 00:29:20,560 Speaker 1: will end because it you know, my daughter is on 530 00:29:20,600 --> 00:29:24,080 Speaker 1: her own. But that's usually when I read. Is I 531 00:29:24,160 --> 00:29:27,040 Speaker 1: read to him, We say prayers, we turn off the light, 532 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:29,120 Speaker 1: and then I sit in there with my phone and 533 00:29:29,200 --> 00:29:33,240 Speaker 1: read for you know, fifteen twenty minutes, and then I'll 534 00:29:33,240 --> 00:29:37,600 Speaker 1: either continue that if it's early ish, or that'll be 535 00:29:37,640 --> 00:29:40,200 Speaker 1: my personal reading time for the day. The other thing 536 00:29:40,360 --> 00:29:44,440 Speaker 1: that I love about my life is my kids are 537 00:29:44,480 --> 00:29:48,000 Speaker 1: really self reliant. In the evenings, we work from home. 538 00:29:48,520 --> 00:29:51,320 Speaker 1: We've set up our business schedule around their school schedule, 539 00:29:51,840 --> 00:29:55,040 Speaker 1: and then once dinner's over, my husband and I almost 540 00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:58,200 Speaker 1: every night head out to the backyard. Maybe we light 541 00:29:58,240 --> 00:30:01,680 Speaker 1: a fire if it's cool out, and we'll sit and 542 00:30:01,720 --> 00:30:03,640 Speaker 1: have a glass of wine and either read out there 543 00:30:04,160 --> 00:30:07,600 Speaker 1: or a lot of times we listen to podcasts, podcasts 544 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:11,240 Speaker 1: sometimes audiobooks most of the time, and so we've gone 545 00:30:11,280 --> 00:30:14,960 Speaker 1: through quite a few over the last few months. And 546 00:30:15,040 --> 00:30:18,320 Speaker 1: so I absolutely love right now a book called Alchemy 547 00:30:18,880 --> 00:30:23,640 Speaker 1: by a guy named Rory something. And Rory's book on 548 00:30:23,680 --> 00:30:27,760 Speaker 1: Alchemy is a fantastic way of looking at the way 549 00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:31,960 Speaker 1: we make decisions and the way marketing and things like 550 00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:34,240 Speaker 1: that happen in the world. But you know, it's very 551 00:30:34,280 --> 00:30:36,520 Speaker 1: accessible in a way that you wouldn't have to be 552 00:30:36,600 --> 00:30:39,400 Speaker 1: looking to market a particular business or something would be 553 00:30:39,480 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: So we really really enjoyed that. We've really enjoyed. We 554 00:30:44,800 --> 00:30:47,680 Speaker 1: listened to a book about the history of math recently, 555 00:30:48,080 --> 00:30:51,960 Speaker 1: which was really not something I thought I would ever enjoy, 556 00:30:52,000 --> 00:30:55,440 Speaker 1: but trying to find something different to think about that's 557 00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:59,320 Speaker 1: not you know, children's books for toddlers, that's what I 558 00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:03,040 Speaker 1: typically I am reading. Well, that sounds so lovely. I'm 559 00:31:03,040 --> 00:31:05,560 Speaker 1: just picturing you in the backyard and your fire pit, 560 00:31:05,680 --> 00:31:10,080 Speaker 1: and wow, but what happens when you don't hear I was? 561 00:31:10,160 --> 00:31:12,880 Speaker 1: I was? I was thinking about my future fire pit 562 00:31:12,960 --> 00:31:14,960 Speaker 1: that I never had thought I wanted before, but now 563 00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:18,800 Speaker 1: I kind of do. The Alchemy author is Rory Sutherland, 564 00:31:18,880 --> 00:31:22,200 Speaker 1: for anyone interested in I just looked it up. Well, so, Kellie, 565 00:31:22,200 --> 00:31:25,800 Speaker 1: we always end our interviews with our love of the week, 566 00:31:26,200 --> 00:31:27,960 Speaker 1: so we can go first. I mean, Sarah and I 567 00:31:28,000 --> 00:31:30,080 Speaker 1: will probably do books. But you know, you just told 568 00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:31,720 Speaker 1: us your favorite book storright up the moment, so you 569 00:31:31,720 --> 00:31:34,520 Speaker 1: can do something else, something that's you know, rocking your 570 00:31:34,520 --> 00:31:36,840 Speaker 1: boat this week. So Sarah, what do you what do 571 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,440 Speaker 1: you have for us? Well, I decided I did have 572 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:41,880 Speaker 1: to pick a book for this episode, and I chose 573 00:31:42,080 --> 00:31:45,280 Speaker 1: Save Me the Plums, which is a memoir by Ruth Reichel, 574 00:31:45,440 --> 00:31:49,800 Speaker 1: the former editor of Gourmet magazine, which is sadly now defunct. 575 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,800 Speaker 1: No spoilers because that's part of the book, but everyone knows. 576 00:31:54,040 --> 00:31:55,600 Speaker 1: And it was just really fun. I read it on 577 00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,320 Speaker 1: the plane and it was very quick read and one 578 00:31:59,360 --> 00:32:02,560 Speaker 1: of those books where you're like in a very fascinating 579 00:32:02,680 --> 00:32:05,840 Speaker 1: world of this like magazine industry and the food industry combined, 580 00:32:05,880 --> 00:32:10,360 Speaker 1: and yeah, I recommend it. Yeah. So I don't know 581 00:32:10,360 --> 00:32:12,120 Speaker 1: if I have a specific title right now, but what 582 00:32:12,120 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: we're saying about the ability to read books on phones, 583 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:17,000 Speaker 1: I mean, this has opened up so many possibilities for 584 00:32:17,080 --> 00:32:20,200 Speaker 1: just getting a book quickly. So between the Kindle app 585 00:32:20,280 --> 00:32:25,080 Speaker 1: and now Libby, which I also use the library borrowing app, 586 00:32:25,440 --> 00:32:27,160 Speaker 1: you know, I could just find so many books so 587 00:32:27,240 --> 00:32:29,960 Speaker 1: quickly or put a hold on them for the future 588 00:32:30,000 --> 00:32:32,360 Speaker 1: if I want them to you know, if I want 589 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:35,440 Speaker 1: to wait for them. But you can just read in 590 00:32:35,480 --> 00:32:38,880 Speaker 1: situations where you wouldn't have necessarily brought a paperback before, 591 00:32:38,920 --> 00:32:41,080 Speaker 1: and so squeeze it into five to ten minutes here 592 00:32:41,120 --> 00:32:42,880 Speaker 1: and there, or if you decide you want a book, 593 00:32:42,920 --> 00:32:46,240 Speaker 1: quickly can get it and so you know, I know 594 00:32:46,280 --> 00:32:50,160 Speaker 1: I've said this before, but that ability is just awesome 595 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:54,160 Speaker 1: and I definitely love the you know, the ebook options 596 00:32:54,160 --> 00:32:56,040 Speaker 1: for kids that are now available. My kids all have 597 00:32:56,120 --> 00:32:58,880 Speaker 1: Kindles and they do some of their reading on there. 598 00:32:58,880 --> 00:33:00,800 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, they play a lot of Minecraft too, 599 00:33:01,520 --> 00:33:04,959 Speaker 1: but there are at least options available, and they certainly 600 00:33:05,000 --> 00:33:07,800 Speaker 1: read some titles that I wouldn't have picked out for them, 601 00:33:07,800 --> 00:33:10,440 Speaker 1: But in general I like them to be reading, so 602 00:33:10,560 --> 00:33:13,000 Speaker 1: I kind of generally have a hands off approach on 603 00:33:13,040 --> 00:33:16,800 Speaker 1: that one. I will jump in with. I'm going to 604 00:33:16,880 --> 00:33:20,160 Speaker 1: agree on that reading on the phone or reading on 605 00:33:20,200 --> 00:33:23,920 Speaker 1: the iPad sort of thing. We love Epic. My kids 606 00:33:23,960 --> 00:33:25,880 Speaker 1: are just starting to age out of that, which is 607 00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:29,680 Speaker 1: really a bummer. We love scribbed Script is a subscription 608 00:33:29,800 --> 00:33:33,160 Speaker 1: service that my daughter has read probably twenty books on 609 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:36,920 Speaker 1: this summer, and it's that kind of instant gratification, Oh, 610 00:33:37,000 --> 00:33:39,680 Speaker 1: her friend's talking about this, you know, she can read 611 00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,160 Speaker 1: it there. Libby is fantastic. The Kindle app is great. 612 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,840 Speaker 1: I would say for one last book recommendation for older kids, 613 00:33:48,440 --> 00:33:51,480 Speaker 1: we just listened to A Wrinkle in Time on our 614 00:33:51,920 --> 00:33:55,240 Speaker 1: latest car drive, and I was really really pleased to 615 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:58,600 Speaker 1: see how well that book's held up, how much my 616 00:33:58,920 --> 00:34:01,240 Speaker 1: twelve year old girl and my nine year old boy 617 00:34:01,400 --> 00:34:04,400 Speaker 1: really got into it, and even my husband had never 618 00:34:04,440 --> 00:34:07,080 Speaker 1: read it before. And it was a good family read 619 00:34:07,120 --> 00:34:10,399 Speaker 1: a lot. Well, that really cool. That's awesome. All right, Well, Kelly, 620 00:34:10,480 --> 00:34:12,279 Speaker 1: thank you so much for joining us today. We really 621 00:34:12,320 --> 00:34:14,719 Speaker 1: appreciate your time. Thank you so much for having me. 622 00:34:14,760 --> 00:34:17,760 Speaker 1: It's lots of fun. And now we're going to transition 623 00:34:17,840 --> 00:34:20,759 Speaker 1: to our question and answer, which comes from a dedicated 624 00:34:20,880 --> 00:34:24,920 Speaker 1: listener who says she has listened since the beginning. She writes, 625 00:34:25,360 --> 00:34:28,319 Speaker 1: we have three kids, ages eleven, nine, and seven. When 626 00:34:28,320 --> 00:34:31,600 Speaker 1: my oldest was born, we hired a house cleaner. Best decision. Ever, 627 00:34:32,080 --> 00:34:34,239 Speaker 1: as we've added more children to the family and our kids' 628 00:34:34,239 --> 00:34:37,960 Speaker 1: activity schedules filled up, we've outsourced more and more household tasks, 629 00:34:38,120 --> 00:34:42,640 Speaker 1: mowing the lawn, grocery shopping, grocery delivery, having dress shirts 630 00:34:42,680 --> 00:34:45,879 Speaker 1: pressed at the dry cleaner, hiring a handyman for small repairs, etc. 631 00:34:46,480 --> 00:34:48,600 Speaker 1: And it's mostly great. I am grateful we're able to 632 00:34:48,600 --> 00:34:51,080 Speaker 1: take advantage of all these conveniences and spend time doing 633 00:34:51,080 --> 00:34:54,960 Speaker 1: the things we really enjoy. But there's a flip side. Someday, 634 00:34:55,040 --> 00:34:57,000 Speaker 1: of course, the kids will leave home and live on 635 00:34:57,040 --> 00:34:59,160 Speaker 1: their own. Before they do so, I want them to 636 00:34:59,160 --> 00:35:02,000 Speaker 1: have the practical s skills needed for daily living, cleaning 637 00:35:02,040 --> 00:35:05,000 Speaker 1: a bathroom, doing laundry, fixing things when they break I 638 00:35:05,040 --> 00:35:07,399 Speaker 1: Earning a shirt for a job interview, cooking a quick 639 00:35:07,440 --> 00:35:10,680 Speaker 1: and healthy meal, et cetera. Sometimes I worry that outsourcing 640 00:35:10,719 --> 00:35:13,200 Speaker 1: so many household tasks, we are depriving our kids of 641 00:35:13,239 --> 00:35:15,600 Speaker 1: the opportunity to learn life skills that will serve them 642 00:35:15,640 --> 00:35:18,240 Speaker 1: well when they're starting on their own. For the record, 643 00:35:18,320 --> 00:35:21,000 Speaker 1: we do have our kids do chores like empty waste baskets, 644 00:35:21,040 --> 00:35:24,480 Speaker 1: setting the table, emptying the dishwashers, watering the plants, et cetera. 645 00:35:24,880 --> 00:35:26,440 Speaker 1: How do you handle this in your family? Do you 646 00:35:26,480 --> 00:35:29,400 Speaker 1: ever have the same concerns? I love this question. I 647 00:35:29,400 --> 00:35:31,799 Speaker 1: think it's so interesting, and I will let you answer 648 00:35:31,840 --> 00:35:33,319 Speaker 1: it first, but I just want to say that I 649 00:35:33,440 --> 00:35:35,440 Speaker 1: still have no idea how to iron a shirt properly, 650 00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:39,560 Speaker 1: and she's never had to. So there you go, and 651 00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:44,520 Speaker 1: yet has been gotten jobs and is gainfully employed. So yeah, 652 00:35:44,520 --> 00:35:46,960 Speaker 1: I would put this in the question in a category 653 00:35:46,960 --> 00:35:50,480 Speaker 1: of things not to worry about. And not only that, 654 00:35:50,600 --> 00:35:52,440 Speaker 1: I feel like this is one of these questions that 655 00:35:52,560 --> 00:35:56,160 Speaker 1: is put on people that just doesn't need to be 656 00:35:56,000 --> 00:35:58,960 Speaker 1: because people are trying to make parents and women in 657 00:35:58,960 --> 00:36:02,640 Speaker 1: particular feel guilt about outsourcing things and you should not. 658 00:36:03,160 --> 00:36:05,719 Speaker 1: You know, there are people who want women to do 659 00:36:05,760 --> 00:36:08,319 Speaker 1: this by themselves, and then the kids still aren't learning 660 00:36:08,360 --> 00:36:11,160 Speaker 1: it right, So that's not exactly the either or that 661 00:36:11,200 --> 00:36:16,440 Speaker 1: people think it is. But you can definitely, you know, 662 00:36:16,560 --> 00:36:18,400 Speaker 1: lighten the burden on yourself and the rest of the 663 00:36:18,440 --> 00:36:21,719 Speaker 1: family by outsourcing things and know that you know it's 664 00:36:21,760 --> 00:36:24,120 Speaker 1: going to be fine. First in our house at least, 665 00:36:24,560 --> 00:36:26,920 Speaker 1: there is more than enough work to go around for everyone. 666 00:36:27,280 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: Like even if some stuff is getting outsourced, other stuff 667 00:36:30,880 --> 00:36:34,160 Speaker 1: as not, Like you know, Monday through Thursday meals might 668 00:36:34,200 --> 00:36:37,560 Speaker 1: be outsourced, but say weekend ones or not. We make 669 00:36:37,600 --> 00:36:39,880 Speaker 1: breakfast in the morning. I've had the kids help with that, 670 00:36:40,080 --> 00:36:42,600 Speaker 1: so you know, even if dinner's being outsourced, like breakfast 671 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:44,440 Speaker 1: is one that they can help learn how to do, 672 00:36:45,040 --> 00:36:48,040 Speaker 1: you know, things like picking up your room, like even 673 00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,360 Speaker 1: if somebody is cleaning the house, you can still have 674 00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:52,800 Speaker 1: the kids pick up the room before somebody is cleaning 675 00:36:52,800 --> 00:36:56,279 Speaker 1: the house. You know, there's plenty of other things, like 676 00:36:56,400 --> 00:37:00,440 Speaker 1: just because grocery shopping sometimes gets outsourced, doesn't mean that X, Y, Z, 677 00:37:00,640 --> 00:37:03,160 Speaker 1: other errand doesn't get out theirs point being there's so 678 00:37:03,239 --> 00:37:05,920 Speaker 1: much work to do that everyone can do something and 679 00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,239 Speaker 1: learn something, and it's not like any of us is 680 00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:12,040 Speaker 1: getting completely off the hook. Agree. And also a lot 681 00:37:12,040 --> 00:37:14,839 Speaker 1: of these things that you mentioned, they probably don't take 682 00:37:14,920 --> 00:37:17,480 Speaker 1: years and years of repetitive practice to become good at them. 683 00:37:17,640 --> 00:37:20,600 Speaker 1: Like laundry, you could probably give a kid heading off 684 00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,320 Speaker 1: to college a crash course very quickly and they would 685 00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:25,560 Speaker 1: glean the important things and the rest they could learn 686 00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,759 Speaker 1: by doing. Saying with simple types of cooking, cleaning. You know, 687 00:37:29,880 --> 00:37:31,839 Speaker 1: I was thinking back, and I'm like, did anybody ever 688 00:37:31,880 --> 00:37:33,799 Speaker 1: like sit down and teach me to clean? Like I 689 00:37:33,800 --> 00:37:36,120 Speaker 1: feel like that skill was transferred to me at some point, 690 00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:38,280 Speaker 1: but I don't think there was that much instruction provided. 691 00:37:38,800 --> 00:37:41,120 Speaker 1: And in the age of YouTube, you know, if you 692 00:37:41,200 --> 00:37:42,839 Speaker 1: really want to learn the right way to do it, 693 00:37:42,920 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 1: I'm sure there are many videos out there that will 694 00:37:46,080 --> 00:37:48,680 Speaker 1: show you you know the various nuances of cleaning your 695 00:37:48,719 --> 00:37:53,839 Speaker 1: bathroom in the perfectly hygienicus article I've read in real 696 00:37:53,880 --> 00:37:56,879 Speaker 1: simple like ten times, you know, so I'm pretty sure 697 00:37:57,040 --> 00:37:59,719 Speaker 1: I always skip those, skip that one. But and yeah, 698 00:37:59,719 --> 00:38:01,839 Speaker 1: the earning the shirt, I'm like, you know what, maybe 699 00:38:01,880 --> 00:38:03,719 Speaker 1: the job interview would be the time that they could 700 00:38:03,760 --> 00:38:06,960 Speaker 1: invest in that one one time that they actually get 701 00:38:07,200 --> 00:38:09,680 Speaker 1: a clean press shirt. Yeah. Now, I thinking I learned 702 00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:12,760 Speaker 1: to do laundry when I went away to camp after 703 00:38:13,880 --> 00:38:15,719 Speaker 1: like seventh, eighth, and ninth grade. I went to an 704 00:38:15,760 --> 00:38:17,600 Speaker 1: academic camp that was three weeks, and of course you 705 00:38:17,640 --> 00:38:20,200 Speaker 1: can't pack three weeks of clothes, You're gonna have to 706 00:38:20,239 --> 00:38:23,200 Speaker 1: do laundry at some point in there. So that's when 707 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:26,680 Speaker 1: I learned. You know, we obviously we did laundry ourselves 708 00:38:26,719 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 1: at the house, but I think my mom had always 709 00:38:28,440 --> 00:38:29,719 Speaker 1: been doing it, and I just learned it because I 710 00:38:29,760 --> 00:38:33,840 Speaker 1: had to for that. And yeah, it was fine, No 711 00:38:33,840 --> 00:38:38,000 Speaker 1: no giant consternations with with that. And I learned to 712 00:38:38,239 --> 00:38:43,000 Speaker 1: cook because I had an internship the summer after my 713 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:46,440 Speaker 1: freshman year of college that I was in an apartment 714 00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:48,440 Speaker 1: and like, you know, you got to cook, like you 715 00:38:48,440 --> 00:38:51,279 Speaker 1: got to figure it out, and I'm sure that there 716 00:38:51,320 --> 00:38:52,680 Speaker 1: was a lot of ramen at the beginning because I 717 00:38:52,680 --> 00:38:55,120 Speaker 1: could figure out how to boil water. But you know, 718 00:38:55,160 --> 00:39:01,040 Speaker 1: it got better. So yeah, this is not really rocket science. 719 00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:04,279 Speaker 1: And in general, when people need to learn something, they 720 00:39:04,360 --> 00:39:06,640 Speaker 1: learn a lot better. Obviously, you can involve kids in 721 00:39:06,719 --> 00:39:08,880 Speaker 1: the meals that aren't being outsourced, you could involve them 722 00:39:08,880 --> 00:39:11,399 Speaker 1: in the errands that aren't being outsourced. But I would 723 00:39:11,520 --> 00:39:14,239 Speaker 1: definitely put this in the category of things not to 724 00:39:14,280 --> 00:39:17,799 Speaker 1: worry about too much. Love it all right? Well, this 725 00:39:17,880 --> 00:39:21,000 Speaker 1: has been best of both worlds. We've been talking with 726 00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:24,200 Speaker 1: Callie Lee in addition to some other exciting best of 727 00:39:24,239 --> 00:39:26,680 Speaker 1: both world's news, and we will be back next week 728 00:39:26,719 --> 00:39:28,880 Speaker 1: on more with more on making work and life fit together. 729 00:39:30,800 --> 00:39:33,560 Speaker 1: Thanks for listening. You can find me Sarah at the 730 00:39:33,600 --> 00:39:38,000 Speaker 1: shoebox dot com or at the Underscore Shoebox on Instagram, 731 00:39:38,400 --> 00:39:42,360 Speaker 1: and you can find me Laura at Laura vandercam dot com. 732 00:39:42,800 --> 00:39:46,000 Speaker 1: This has been the best of Both Worlds podcasts. Please 733 00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,680 Speaker 1: join us next time for more on making work and 734 00:39:48,760 --> 00:39:49,880 Speaker 1: life work together.