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Speaker 1: of Smart Talks with IBM is all about new creators,

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Speaker 2: Hello, Hello, Welcome to Smart Talks with IBM, a podcast

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Speaker 2: from Pushkin Industries, iHeartRadio and IBM. I'm Malcolm Gladwell. This season,

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Speaker 2: we're talking to the new creators, the developers, data scientists,

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Speaker 2: Our guest today is doctor Derek Warren, Associate Dean and

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Speaker 2: After a thirty two year career at IBM, Derek chose

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Speaker 2: business school of a historically black university, it's his job

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Speaker 2: to make sure Southern University students acquire the skills they

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Speaker 2: that's where cybersecurity comes in. But nearly half a million

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Speaker 2: unfilled jobs in the US alone, the industries demand for

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Speaker 2: bridge the gap, in twenty twenty two, IBM announced a

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Speaker 2: collaboration with twenty HBCUs to establish a Cybersecurity the Leadership

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Speaker 2: Center at each of them. Through this partnership, hbcu' students

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Speaker 2: have gained access to IBM training, software and credentials at

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Speaker 2: vibrant and diverse workforce cybersecurity urgently needs. In today's episode,

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Speaker 2: you'll hear how Derek is using IBM's skills build a

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Speaker 2: Derek spoke with doctor Lory Santos, host of the Pushkin

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Speaker 2: mental well being. Okay, let's get to the interview.

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Speaker 3: Derek, tell us a little bit about your role at

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Speaker 4: I am the Associate dean and director of Graduate Programs

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Speaker 3: And so, then walk me through your role at IBM, Like,

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Speaker 3: how does that connect to your role at SUS today.

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Speaker 4: Well, I am a thirty two year IBM alumnus. I

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Speaker 4: Oh wow, I live by that statement. I do feel

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Speaker 4: Well, the IBM initiative clearly introduces just a whole array

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Speaker 4: And I won't even get into quantum computing. That's not

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Speaker 4: Well, that's an interesting question, Laurd. My parents were educators,

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Speaker 4: when they've been able to accomplish a credential or learn something.

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Speaker 4: It's nothing like it and it really excites me a lot.

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Speaker 3: Derek, this was a fantastic conversation. Thank you so much

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Speaker 3: for all the amazing work that you're doing, you know

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Speaker 3: at HBCUs and beyond.

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Speaker 4: My pleasure and I'm a big fan, Laurie of your podcast.

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Speaker 4: Now I'm a subscriber.

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Speaker 3: Well, now we're gonna have to get you on to

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Speaker 2: I'd like to reflect on that genius is the intersection

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