WEBVTT - Thinking Sideways: Taman Shud 0:00:00.240 --> 0:00:03.600 Hey, guys, Steve here, you are listening to one of 0:00:03.600 --> 0:00:06.600 our original twenty six episodes. If you listen to any 0:00:06.640 --> 0:00:09.280 of our new episodes, you're gonna notice that we're sounding 0:00:09.320 --> 0:00:11.639 a little different in these ones. Yeah, there's a reason 0:00:11.680 --> 0:00:14.480 for that. There is they've been remastered. They have been 0:00:14.520 --> 0:00:18.040 remastered because they had a really annoying hum. Yeah, I 0:00:18.040 --> 0:00:21.480 mean a huge thanks to listener James for doing almost 0:00:21.520 --> 0:00:23.880 all of the legwork on this thing. They'll also notice 0:00:23.880 --> 0:00:25.880 if you had listened to what we're calling the last 0:00:25.920 --> 0:00:29.639 twenty six episodes before and you're re listening now, the 0:00:29.800 --> 0:00:33.160 music and sound effects are gone. Yes, we've we've gone 0:00:33.159 --> 0:00:35.720 back to straight audio, so be warned. We sound a 0:00:35.720 --> 0:00:38.040 little different today than we do in what you're about 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:46.400 to listen to. Yeah, enjoy, Bye bye, thinking sideways. I 0:00:46.440 --> 0:00:56.760 don't understand. You never know stories of things. We simply 0:00:56.800 --> 0:01:01.760 don't know the answer too. Okay, do you guys want 0:01:01.760 --> 0:01:05.640 to hear a story chase? There is not a car chase. 0:01:06.800 --> 0:01:09.560 There is a murder though. Oh that's good enough, that works. 0:01:09.640 --> 0:01:13.000 I like that sweet? All right? You ready? Yeah. The 0:01:13.080 --> 0:01:16.960 victim was found dead at six thirty am December one, 0:01:17.840 --> 0:01:22.480 under a street lamp in Australia. That is all we 0:01:22.560 --> 0:01:27.600 know about this man. Mm hmm. That's that was a 0:01:27.640 --> 0:01:33.240 short story. I gotta say. Anyway, everybody, thank you for listening. 0:01:34.640 --> 0:01:38.240 I have more information, but we should introduce ourselves first. Yeah, 0:01:39.000 --> 0:01:44.360 I'm I'm Steve, I'm Joe. So you want to hear more? Yeah, okay. 0:01:44.520 --> 0:01:48.280 So that's all we know really about him, the man 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:52.120 he was found dead. Those are the only facts about 0:01:52.200 --> 0:01:56.000 those are about him, Okay, okay. So there's this mystery 0:01:56.160 --> 0:02:00.240 surrounding his death. So the first thing that was a 0:02:00.320 --> 0:02:06.000 little weird was that somebody called the authorities. Obviously, they 0:02:06.080 --> 0:02:09.000 came and they took him away to do an autopsy. 0:02:09.040 --> 0:02:11.000 And the first thing they noticed that was weird was 0:02:11.120 --> 0:02:16.240 that all of the clothing identification marks, tags, etcetera. Had 0:02:16.280 --> 0:02:19.840 been removed from his suit and shirt and tie and 0:02:19.880 --> 0:02:22.880 all that stuff. That's a little weird. So not not 0:02:22.960 --> 0:02:26.560 a single label, and a single label what about his underwear? 0:02:26.840 --> 0:02:32.360 Not a single label any of his unwar for that matter. 0:02:32.800 --> 0:02:36.760 So then they did the autopsy, which revealed that this 0:02:36.800 --> 0:02:40.359 guy was in exceptional health. He had a half digested 0:02:40.400 --> 0:02:44.200 pastry in his stomach, there was congestion to his brain 0:02:44.240 --> 0:02:48.040 and stomach that would have been consistent with poisoning, except 0:02:48.040 --> 0:02:51.040 for that. They tested his blood and there was no 0:02:51.120 --> 0:02:55.960 poison in his system at all, So he just mysteriously died. Yes, 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:58.760 and his spleen was three times too big, but that 0:02:58.800 --> 0:03:03.200 won't kill a man. What causes splain enlargement and brain 0:03:03.280 --> 0:03:07.040 and stomach congestion? What causes that? I don't know and 0:03:07.080 --> 0:03:12.040 nor do they. They eventually placed the jacket that he 0:03:12.120 --> 0:03:16.120 was wearing to America, but it was weird because when 0:03:16.160 --> 0:03:19.080 they sent the dental records and fingerprints, it didn't match 0:03:19.280 --> 0:03:22.919 anyone who had lived there. Ever, and where was he 0:03:22.960 --> 0:03:27.720 found again? Australia? Where in Australia the coach of the 0:03:27.760 --> 0:03:33.160 Somerton Beach where the heck is up? Did in adelaide? Yes? 0:03:33.360 --> 0:03:36.760 So um, when they traced his close to America, does 0:03:36.760 --> 0:03:39.080 that mean they traced it to an American manufacturer, to 0:03:39.120 --> 0:03:42.760 an American tailor or what American manufacturer? So they were 0:03:42.800 --> 0:03:46.640 they were store about clothes they weren't tailored. Upon further 0:03:46.640 --> 0:03:50.400 examination of his clothes they found a secret pocket and 0:03:50.440 --> 0:03:52.800 his pants which contained a little tiny scrap of paper 0:03:52.920 --> 0:03:56.720 with the words Taman shrewd printed on it, um which in. 0:03:56.840 --> 0:04:03.720 I think it's Arabic means nished or ended. They figured 0:04:03.760 --> 0:04:08.720 out that this was last page from a book, a 0:04:08.800 --> 0:04:18.839 very rare translation of this book called the Ribiotro that one. 0:04:19.279 --> 0:04:21.960 But because I know how to say words, it was 0:04:22.000 --> 0:04:26.280 an extremely rare translation of that. Uh So they of 0:04:26.320 --> 0:04:29.120 course did the logical thing and started an Australia White 0:04:29.160 --> 0:04:33.480 search for any and all of these translations of this book. 0:04:34.520 --> 0:04:38.479 Some guy, just some random guy mentioned just after a 0:04:38.480 --> 0:04:41.760 couple of months of this search going on, he said, oh, 0:04:41.800 --> 0:04:45.359 you know, I found an exact copy of that book 0:04:45.360 --> 0:04:48.800 in the backseat of my car that was parked like 0:04:48.839 --> 0:04:52.640 two blocks away from where you guys found. This guy 0:04:51.440 --> 0:04:56.520 the right him, no, damn, So he brought he brought 0:04:56.560 --> 0:05:00.320 his book. They said, oh, we'll look into it, okay, 0:05:00.960 --> 0:05:03.120 And the back page had been torn out, which was 0:05:03.160 --> 0:05:05.840 consistent because he had the back page in his little 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:11.599 secret pocket. And they found this code written on the 0:05:11.800 --> 0:05:16.039 next back page. Okay. Now, this is a code that 0:05:16.120 --> 0:05:19.320 has been proven to be an actual code. They've decided 0:05:19.360 --> 0:05:23.520 that it has actually code coded message, but has never 0:05:23.600 --> 0:05:26.560 been solved. So they don't know what kind of cipher 0:05:26.600 --> 0:05:28.960 it is. They don't know the cipher Okay, as far 0:05:29.000 --> 0:05:33.200 as anyone can tell, he made this cipher up. But 0:05:33.279 --> 0:05:35.480 it's not long enough for them to get any patterns, 0:05:35.560 --> 0:05:38.320 to establish any patterns to be able to break this code. So, yeah, 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:41.200 how many letters are in the message? Oh? No, I mean, 0:05:41.320 --> 0:05:44.800 is it's it ten or is it fifty or or what? 0:05:45.279 --> 0:05:51.600 For lines? Four lines of texts? It's a really simple cipher. 0:05:52.800 --> 0:05:55.480 I think the problem is is that there's not enough 0:05:55.520 --> 0:05:57.760 of it. There's not enough. There's not enough of it 0:05:57.960 --> 0:06:00.320 to figure out what the key to the site for it, 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:04.880 So they don't know if it's a substitution or some Yeah, 0:06:05.000 --> 0:06:08.600 you can probably figure out if a substitution cipher a message. 0:06:08.600 --> 0:06:10.440 You probably could, but it's probably a one time pad, 0:06:10.680 --> 0:06:13.800 which is why they can't break it. So, and what 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:16.120 is a one time pad? Joe? Oh yeah, the one 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:17.680 time pad. Yeah, for those of you who don't know 0:06:17.720 --> 0:06:19.520 what that is, it's like a one time pad is 0:06:19.520 --> 0:06:24.159 when you either generate a sequence of random numbers, or 0:06:24.520 --> 0:06:28.080 you use like a book or a newspaper article, whatever, 0:06:28.160 --> 0:06:30.400 and assigned numbers to all those and then say you 0:06:30.760 --> 0:06:33.520 for every every number in your message or every letter 0:06:33.520 --> 0:06:35.320 in your message, just converted to a number. So A 0:06:35.360 --> 0:06:38.520 is one, B is two. And then if you're using 0:06:38.520 --> 0:06:40.360 and say it books, the one time pad, you convert 0:06:40.400 --> 0:06:42.240 that into the same kind of numbers, add those to 0:06:42.279 --> 0:06:45.599 your characters, and then if somebody else has that same 0:06:45.960 --> 0:06:48.120 pad to translate it with. And it's not it's not 0:06:48.160 --> 0:06:51.200 a substitution cipher, because it is a substitution cipher. But 0:06:51.240 --> 0:06:53.520 it's not like you're substituting a letter for another letter 0:06:53.560 --> 0:06:58.200 consistently for B. Yeah, yeah, exactly, and so and so 0:06:58.279 --> 0:07:00.200 those are impossible to break, at least it's far as 0:07:00.240 --> 0:07:03.240 I know, maybe with modern supercomputers, and and yet you 0:07:03.320 --> 0:07:07.000 know in Google and everything like that, maybe one time 0:07:07.040 --> 0:07:11.280 pads are impossible break. People as recently as two twelve 0:07:12.000 --> 0:07:14.920 have tried to decipher this and it can't be done. Yeah, 0:07:15.000 --> 0:07:17.120 and yeah, and so it's a one time pad. Obviously 0:07:17.200 --> 0:07:20.440 the ruby out of Iams probably not, the probably not 0:07:20.480 --> 0:07:25.080 the key, probably not. Also, in the back of this 0:07:25.120 --> 0:07:27.840 book there was a telephone number. It was an unlisted 0:07:27.880 --> 0:07:32.280 telephone number belonging to a nurse who lived like four 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:38.200 hundred meters north I'm sorry, undred feet of where the 0:07:38.200 --> 0:07:42.400 body was found. So of course the police go to investigate, 0:07:43.520 --> 0:07:46.080 and she says Oh yeah, I owned a copy of 0:07:46.120 --> 0:07:51.040 that book. But in nine at the Clifton Gardens Hotel 0:07:51.080 --> 0:07:53.960 in Sydney, I gave it to a lieutenant named Alfred 0:07:53.960 --> 0:07:58.280 Boxell because we were in love. Weird, okay, Why is 0:07:58.320 --> 0:08:00.680 an unlisted number of years in the back this? Okay? 0:08:00.720 --> 0:08:04.240 So maybe this is Alfred Boxer Boxer Boxhall. It's one 0:08:04.240 --> 0:08:06.800 of those three things. She said that they were in love. 0:08:07.800 --> 0:08:15.000 But late nineteen mystery man had asked her next door 0:08:15.000 --> 0:08:17.520 neighbor about her and nobody really knows who that was. 0:08:18.400 --> 0:08:22.880 And that was just before this guy showed up. Honestly, 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.520 the mystery man. The mystery man was that was that 0:08:27.880 --> 0:08:32.800 identified as being our dead body. So they showed her 0:08:32.800 --> 0:08:36.600 a picture of him on the lab. It wasn't gruesome. 0:08:37.280 --> 0:08:40.400 You can find this picture online easily. It just looks 0:08:40.400 --> 0:08:44.960 like he's sleeping. And she said, no, I don't know 0:08:45.000 --> 0:08:48.960 who that person is. But according to the detective, she 0:08:49.080 --> 0:08:51.720 was completely taken aback, to the point of giving the 0:08:51.720 --> 0:08:56.880 appearance that she was about to faint. Lying. So they 0:08:56.920 --> 0:09:00.640 start thinking, all right, boxall' is the dead man. This 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:03.800 is his copy. It all makes sense, that's why he's here. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.520 He was lieutenant in the Army. He's really doing something 0:09:07.720 --> 0:09:12.600 kind of clandestine until voxel shows up just out of 0:09:12.600 --> 0:09:17.640 the blue. No, he's working maintenance in the Randwick bus depot, 0:09:18.200 --> 0:09:23.400 which is I think not even in Australia. So he 0:09:23.440 --> 0:09:25.560 showed up or they tracked him, the tracks him down 0:09:26.520 --> 0:09:32.719 and he still has his copy. Ohs plot thickens. He 0:09:32.760 --> 0:09:36.119 still has his copy. And it's the same edition obviously, 0:09:36.360 --> 0:09:41.400 and the last pages obviously still there. Um. But she 0:09:41.640 --> 0:09:47.920 had sir written, uh handwritten a verse out. It was 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.600 verse seventy on the front cover. It was the same thing. 0:09:52.000 --> 0:09:54.640 What's with these people who do stuff like that? It's 0:09:54.679 --> 0:09:58.560 it's it's extremely rare, probably valuable copy of this edition 0:09:58.559 --> 0:10:01.520 of this book and you just write all of you know, yeah, 0:10:02.160 --> 0:10:03.960 well is that? Is that a smart thing to do? 0:10:04.600 --> 0:10:08.640 It was beautiful the verse that she wrote. But why 0:10:08.840 --> 0:10:11.040 would you to face a book like that? M hm 0:10:14.880 --> 0:10:20.000 now sorry for our librarian audience. The um. So in 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:24.360 March of two thousand nine, a team led by a 0:10:24.440 --> 0:10:27.800 professor decided that they would crack the code by testing 0:10:27.840 --> 0:10:30.920 the body for DNA. Oh yeah, that makes sense right, 0:10:31.440 --> 0:10:36.760 except for that none of the DNA of his body survived, 0:10:36.760 --> 0:10:39.680 buried him they actually exhumed the body, exumed the body, 0:10:39.679 --> 0:10:42.439 and it was just you know, he had been buried 0:10:42.480 --> 0:10:46.280 and imposing and it was embed him, didn't they Yeah, 0:10:48.440 --> 0:10:49.959 but they do. You would think they'd be able to 0:10:49.960 --> 0:10:53.480 find a little DNA somewhere, but they apparently couldn't. But 0:10:53.520 --> 0:10:56.920 they were going to use DNA to identify who he was. Yes, 0:10:57.320 --> 0:10:59.080 they're going to try, at least, not that there were 0:10:59.160 --> 0:11:01.120 DNA records then, but they could maybe trace it to 0:11:01.160 --> 0:11:06.200 someone who was living now, you know whatever. Um. Additionally, 0:11:06.520 --> 0:11:12.880 this st the same investigative team said that police had 0:11:13.080 --> 0:11:17.439 found that the packet of cigarettes that he had had 0:11:17.480 --> 0:11:19.960 different a different brand of cigarettes inside of the pack, 0:11:20.240 --> 0:11:23.079 and the police had originally said, oh, well, this is 0:11:23.120 --> 0:11:25.720 a common army like thing. You buy the one pack 0:11:25.800 --> 0:11:27.480 of expensive ones, and then you buy a bunch of 0:11:27.559 --> 0:11:29.920 cheap ones and you just keep feeling your expensive box 0:11:30.240 --> 0:11:32.240 with your cheap cigarettes, so it looks like you're smoking 0:11:32.400 --> 0:11:35.319 more expensive cigarettes, except for that the cigarettes that were 0:11:35.320 --> 0:11:38.719 in his box were more expensive than the box cigarettes, 0:11:39.320 --> 0:11:42.320 so they thought maybe there had been some poison administered 0:11:42.360 --> 0:11:44.960 that way, although again they never found any poison in 0:11:45.000 --> 0:11:52.360 his system. It was obviously techniques and there's yeah, there's 0:11:52.360 --> 0:11:54.560 the potential that they just missed it. And then in 0:11:54.600 --> 0:12:00.319 two thousand eleven, a woman contacted some really sad cold 0:12:00.360 --> 0:12:03.280 case detective who's still assigned to this case because it's 0:12:03.320 --> 0:12:06.679 never been closed, and said that she found an identification 0:12:06.720 --> 0:12:10.800 card of an HC. Rentals Reynolds that she had found 0:12:10.840 --> 0:12:14.960 in her father's possession. It was a document from the 0:12:15.040 --> 0:12:18.880 United States to foreign semen given given during World War One. 0:12:19.440 --> 0:12:23.000 And they compared the photograph to the man who died 0:12:23.880 --> 0:12:26.320 and it was almost identical. They said it was a 0:12:26.520 --> 0:12:29.760 it was a very good match. They shared a few 0:12:30.160 --> 0:12:34.160 unique identifiers within their face, and then their ears were 0:12:34.160 --> 0:12:37.640 the same. So the idea their ears he had a 0:12:37.800 --> 0:12:40.480 if you look closely at these pictures, he had a 0:12:40.520 --> 0:12:43.960 genetic defect in that it made part of his ear 0:12:44.080 --> 0:12:47.400 larger than other parts of his ear, like not like 0:12:47.440 --> 0:12:51.360 a normal ear, which is a genetic mutation found in 0:12:51.400 --> 0:12:53.439 like two percent of the population or something like that. 0:12:54.000 --> 0:12:57.120 It's incredibly uncommon. So that along with the fact that 0:12:57.160 --> 0:12:59.640 his face looked alike, and that makes more sense, I 0:12:59.640 --> 0:13:02.080 got it just random. His years might be like a 0:13:02.120 --> 0:13:04.400 great way to find like relatives of those of his 0:13:05.360 --> 0:13:08.760 that yeah, so they said, oh, okay, so this is 0:13:08.760 --> 0:13:12.840 probably this guy. Uh. The ID card was issued in 0:13:13.640 --> 0:13:18.800 February on February eighteen to HC. Reynolds. Uh. It gave 0:13:18.840 --> 0:13:22.559 his nationality as British and his age as eighteen. Uh. 0:13:23.000 --> 0:13:26.480 They did searches in the U s National Archives, the 0:13:26.559 --> 0:13:30.760 UK National Archives, and the Australian War Memorial Research Center, 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.679 and they have failed to come up with any actual 0:13:33.760 --> 0:13:37.680 records of an HC. Reynolds. So it's a fake name 0:13:37.840 --> 0:13:41.760 or fake idea. They're not sure. Okay, but it is 0:13:41.920 --> 0:13:46.360 this man's I d so he he looks I mean 0:13:46.440 --> 0:13:49.360 he died this this story. He died in forty eight right, 0:13:49.760 --> 0:13:52.920 and the idea was issued in nineteen eighteen. Did you 0:13:52.960 --> 0:13:56.520 say so, it's thirty years later. He could have been 0:13:56.760 --> 0:13:59.280 in the picture. It's hard to tell. Yeah, I mean 0:13:59.520 --> 0:14:02.520 it's boy all black and white. It's kind of bad quality. 0:14:02.600 --> 0:14:04.480 He could have been of that age. He also could 0:14:04.480 --> 0:14:07.280 have lied about his age to get into the military, 0:14:07.640 --> 0:14:10.280 although he was obviously lying about other things too, given 0:14:10.320 --> 0:14:14.760 that there's no record of him ever existing prior to 0:14:14.840 --> 0:14:22.000 what else? Did everything? So? So so Again, that idea 0:14:22.040 --> 0:14:26.200 was issued in nineteen eighteen by the Brits and they 0:14:26.240 --> 0:14:28.720 had eaten by the United States. Okay, and so and 0:14:28.800 --> 0:14:32.400 but but he was a British nationality and it was 0:14:32.400 --> 0:14:34.400 one of those ideas they gave out during World War 0:14:34.440 --> 0:14:37.120 One when people who lived other places would come and say, 0:14:37.160 --> 0:14:40.480 I want to fight for the USA and like, okay, great, 0:14:40.600 --> 0:14:43.440 here's your idea. Okay. So so, in other words, it 0:14:43.480 --> 0:14:46.240 was never documented that he was actually a brit No. 0:14:46.560 --> 0:14:48.240 I mean, you kind of assumed that they would have 0:14:48.240 --> 0:14:51.560 done some research into that, but maybe it was the 0:14:51.680 --> 0:14:56.280 time of war and things were kind of yeah, so okay, 0:14:56.600 --> 0:14:59.320 so that's all you guys get saying. So, but where 0:14:59.360 --> 0:15:03.360 was this idea the US? In the US, so he 0:15:03.400 --> 0:15:05.920 shows up at our doorstep will give an idea. It's 0:15:06.120 --> 0:15:09.680 like today, that's kind of similar. But we know that 0:15:10.200 --> 0:15:14.160 the stuff that he wrote in the on the page 0:15:14.280 --> 0:15:17.040 that they found in his pocket, it was just in 0:15:17.080 --> 0:15:19.320 his pants pocket, right. No, No, the last page of 0:15:19.320 --> 0:15:21.480 the book was in his pants pocket. He had written 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.960 the cipher in the back of this book. Ostensibly what 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:27.720 happened is he had a copy of this book, he 0:15:28.440 --> 0:15:31.800 wrote his cipher out, tore out the last page, and 0:15:31.880 --> 0:15:34.600 threw it into the guy's car. I assume the guy 0:15:34.640 --> 0:15:37.680 has just left left his window open something something because 0:15:37.720 --> 0:15:41.040 he didn't know it wasn't his copy, so obviously in 0:15:41.080 --> 0:15:43.720 the back of his car. Obviously he threw his coded 0:15:43.760 --> 0:15:45.720 message in the back of the wrong car, I guess. 0:15:46.560 --> 0:15:48.840 And how how do we know that it's a cipher 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:52.000 and not just gibberish that somebody wrote down. There's been 0:15:52.040 --> 0:15:54.840 a lot of analysis about it by like real live 0:15:54.960 --> 0:15:59.040 code breakers. People have spent a lot of time decoding it, 0:15:59.080 --> 0:16:02.560 and there are pad earns, but not enough patterns to 0:16:02.680 --> 0:16:08.320 establish what letter it might be. There's repetition in that's 0:16:08.360 --> 0:16:13.640 indicative of it being English words. Okay, so it's based 0:16:13.640 --> 0:16:16.160 on the English line it's based on they're assuming it's 0:16:16.200 --> 0:16:18.800 based on English. It may not be. It could for 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:21.520 you know, it is entirely possible that he was just 0:16:21.600 --> 0:16:27.120 like a Russian who was like bored and deranged, wrote 0:16:27.120 --> 0:16:31.720 just random gibberish down. But well, entirely possible. You say, 0:16:32.080 --> 0:16:33.960 I'm gonna mess with somebody's head. I'm gonna write this 0:16:34.000 --> 0:16:35.880 could a message and put it back to somebody's car, 0:16:35.920 --> 0:16:38.440 and then we'll have this eternal mystery about it, and 0:16:38.440 --> 0:16:40.760 then I'll die. Yeah, I don't think he planned on 0:16:40.800 --> 0:16:46.280 that bar. Yeah. Yeah, So the so the clues I'll 0:16:46.360 --> 0:16:52.240 point to, Um, this guy was either say Russian royalty, Um, 0:16:52.240 --> 0:16:56.400 he's the missing Princess Anastasia or something like that. That's 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.080 pretty enough to be. Yeah, I mean, I don't know 0:16:59.160 --> 0:17:02.240 there's anybody like like checked out the Russian royal family 0:17:02.280 --> 0:17:04.760 to find out, like the bazaars to find out any 0:17:04.800 --> 0:17:08.240 of them had that genetic anomaly. None of them. Okay, yeah, 0:17:08.320 --> 0:17:10.720 so they're they're pretty sure that it is this guy 0:17:10.880 --> 0:17:14.640 ht Reynolds. But yeah, well the other the other possibility 0:17:14.720 --> 0:17:17.879 is that he was just it could have been just 0:17:18.000 --> 0:17:22.439 like infiltrated into America by another foreign intelligence service with 0:17:22.560 --> 0:17:24.199 a bunch of money to pay agents, and he had 0:17:24.240 --> 0:17:27.000 scounded with it, which would explain why he was trying 0:17:27.000 --> 0:17:30.280 to hide and hide his wealth by you know, like 0:17:30.560 --> 0:17:32.680 taking the labels out of his out of his jackets 0:17:32.720 --> 0:17:36.600 and and putting expensive cigarettes in a cheap container. You know, 0:17:36.840 --> 0:17:39.360 so just keeping a little profile that way. I mean, 0:17:39.640 --> 0:17:42.719 why why did somebody kill him? That's uh, you know, 0:17:42.920 --> 0:17:47.160 probably say let's let's say he's let's say he's a Soviet. 0:17:47.600 --> 0:17:50.359 Let's say they eventually caught up with him. That's if 0:17:50.359 --> 0:17:52.520 you double across those guys, they will they will not 0:17:52.600 --> 0:17:55.959 you know, eventually they'll find you probably, you know they 0:17:56.000 --> 0:18:00.520 do in every Hollywood movie they get pound out, yeah somewhere. Yeah. So, 0:18:00.640 --> 0:18:02.959 I mean, that's entirely a possible thing. I don't know, 0:18:03.080 --> 0:18:08.960 but it's just speculation. I don't know speculation. I did find. 0:18:09.560 --> 0:18:11.480 I don't know if you came across this when you 0:18:11.520 --> 0:18:13.800 were doing your research, but when I was brushing up 0:18:13.840 --> 0:18:17.520 on this, I did find one thing of somebody saying 0:18:17.760 --> 0:18:20.320 they might have figured out the cause of death. I 0:18:20.320 --> 0:18:22.199 don't know if you'd ever come across I have ever 0:18:22.280 --> 0:18:25.920 come across that. Okay, so I did find let's see 0:18:25.960 --> 0:18:31.080 this is this came out guy by name of John Phillips, 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:35.160 who is the chairman of the Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine, 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:39.640 and he is saying that based on the details, it's 0:18:39.880 --> 0:18:45.879 likely that he died of digitalis um. Digitalis is known 0:18:46.200 --> 0:18:51.280 for engorging the organs prior to death. You're talking about 0:18:51.280 --> 0:18:54.159 the plant right right. It's a member of the foxglove family. 0:18:54.280 --> 0:18:57.760 So it's it's poison that people used to use as 0:18:57.880 --> 0:19:02.200 kind of an herbal remedy. They didn't know how it 0:19:02.240 --> 0:19:03.800 was supposed to be used, so they'd use it for 0:19:03.880 --> 0:19:06.760 heart issues or epilepsy or stuff like that, but they 0:19:06.760 --> 0:19:10.159 didn't understand the dosage, so they would typically end up 0:19:10.240 --> 0:19:16.000 killing people unintentionally. And it enlarges all of the organs 0:19:16.280 --> 0:19:18.800 so well. But then the question is why was only 0:19:18.880 --> 0:19:21.480 his spleen Because your spleen is not the most sensitive 0:19:21.520 --> 0:19:24.800 of your organs. It was his spleen the only one 0:19:24.840 --> 0:19:27.840 that was in large. So his spleen was the only 0:19:28.840 --> 0:19:30.760 thought I'd seen something said that more than just his 0:19:30.840 --> 0:19:33.920 spleen wasn't No, he had a congestion of the heart 0:19:34.040 --> 0:19:37.399 and brain. But that's not I mean, that's not no, no, 0:19:37.480 --> 0:19:39.680 that's that's not an engagement or enlarge but at all. 0:19:39.800 --> 0:19:43.000 So what condition is? But I don't know. I mean, 0:19:43.160 --> 0:19:45.640 this is just something I came across and I found interesting. 0:19:45.840 --> 0:19:49.960 It's very interesting. It's fifty years later and some guys saying, well, 0:19:50.560 --> 0:19:52.840 I just looked at the autopsy record, and this is 0:19:52.880 --> 0:19:55.600 what I say, and it's who knows. It could have 0:19:55.600 --> 0:19:59.639 been just somebody's you know, surprise attacked him in an 0:19:59.680 --> 0:20:02.040 innern you and he threw out you know, here's the 0:20:02.080 --> 0:20:04.760 answer to the Talman shrewd. Yeah, and you kind of you. 0:20:04.840 --> 0:20:06.600 I guess you assume that in a time when a 0:20:06.640 --> 0:20:09.000 lot of people are dying from an overdose of a thing, 0:20:09.560 --> 0:20:14.200 you as an corner, as a corner, you might know 0:20:14.800 --> 0:20:17.800 what that looks like. Generally you would think you would 0:20:17.840 --> 0:20:20.760 think you not so. Anyway, by the way, when they 0:20:20.760 --> 0:20:22.720 found the body, how how long had he been dead? 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:25.400 Just a couple of I think he died. They said 0:20:25.160 --> 0:20:28.119 that he died in the middle of the night. They 0:20:28.119 --> 0:20:31.399 found at six thirty in the morning. Ah. So the 0:20:31.520 --> 0:20:35.439 question is the coded message the book? Why? So? It 0:20:35.440 --> 0:20:38.159 seems to me that if he was taking a message 0:20:38.200 --> 0:20:41.280 somewhere to drop it off, there was somebody and he 0:20:41.600 --> 0:20:44.280 but discovered he was being followed, he probably wanted to 0:20:44.359 --> 0:20:47.760 ditch that, to ditch that message, So the nearest car 0:20:47.800 --> 0:20:50.720 with an open window he dropped it in. Yeah. Well, 0:20:50.760 --> 0:20:54.880 I mean that's that's typical spy behavior. Yeah, he's get 0:20:54.960 --> 0:20:58.280 rid of all incriminating evidence. Yeah. So so the other 0:20:58.440 --> 0:21:01.119 kind of interesting thing about this is that there are 0:21:01.160 --> 0:21:05.280 two cases that people talk about them maybe being linked. 0:21:05.760 --> 0:21:09.359 Really yes, because it seems like a weird one off. 0:21:10.200 --> 0:21:13.320 So you're saying there are other cases. Yes. The first 0:21:14.880 --> 0:21:21.399 one is the Marshal case that happened in June where uh, 0:21:22.119 --> 0:21:25.639 thirty four year old singapore man they knew that he 0:21:25.800 --> 0:21:29.080 wasn't a mystery man. His name was Joseph Saul Haim 0:21:29.240 --> 0:21:38.159 Marshall was found dead a lot okay, Joseph Saul Haim Marshall. Uh. 0:21:38.359 --> 0:21:41.240 He was found dead in Ashton Park in Sydney with 0:21:41.359 --> 0:21:44.760 an open copy of the Rubiat on his chest, really 0:21:44.920 --> 0:21:48.399 the same edition, the same edition. Death was believed to 0:21:48.480 --> 0:21:52.680 be a suicide by poisoning. His was so it was 0:21:52.800 --> 0:21:56.520 the the addition right before addition that was involved in 0:21:56.600 --> 0:22:00.280 this case. But pages missing, no pages miss saying or 0:22:00.280 --> 0:22:02.560 anything like that. An he died of poisoning? Did they 0:22:02.640 --> 0:22:05.800 say what he died of? He said he committed suicide, 0:22:05.840 --> 0:22:08.520 but what he used? Did he say? They thought that 0:22:09.760 --> 0:22:16.280 it was self inflicted, but they didn't say what. I'm 0:22:16.320 --> 0:22:18.840 guessing this that one doesn't get as much note doesn't 0:22:19.119 --> 0:22:24.720 And what year did this happen? An inquest was held. 0:22:25.400 --> 0:22:28.920 Gwyneth Dorothy Graham testified at this inquest that they had 0:22:29.200 --> 0:22:32.240 And why does she testify she was a witness. I'm 0:22:32.400 --> 0:22:35.520 not sure really details on that, but she testified and 0:22:35.720 --> 0:22:39.600 was found dead thirteen days later, faced down naked in 0:22:39.640 --> 0:22:43.199 a bath with her wrists split. Mm hmm. Did they 0:22:43.240 --> 0:22:46.440 think that was suicide or do we know? I think 0:22:46.560 --> 0:22:48.959 they think it's like they think it's suicide, Like they 0:22:49.000 --> 0:22:52.160 think his death was a suicide. Like in other words, 0:22:52.200 --> 0:22:56.040 it was KGB. You say it's a suicide right until 0:22:56.040 --> 0:22:58.160 you figure out what really happened, and then changed the story. 0:22:58.280 --> 0:23:02.440 But you never figure out. So then, uh, the next 0:23:02.520 --> 0:23:07.240 one happened in June again, but this one in ninety 0:23:08.440 --> 0:23:11.600 where the body of a two year old Clive was 0:23:11.800 --> 0:23:17.440 found in a sack in some sandhills about twelve miles 0:23:17.520 --> 0:23:22.320 down the coast from where they found the HC. Reynolds. 0:23:22.640 --> 0:23:24.879 For purposes, we're just going to call him HC. Reynolds. 0:23:24.920 --> 0:23:28.720 The guy from the first case, very very close lying 0:23:28.800 --> 0:23:31.960 next to him was his unconscious father. The father was 0:23:32.000 --> 0:23:36.560 taken to the hospital and was treated for exposure, and 0:23:36.640 --> 0:23:40.240 then they transferred him to a mental hospital. So he 0:23:40.280 --> 0:23:44.520 went crazy? I think so, yeah, because you know, his 0:23:44.640 --> 0:23:46.480 son died while he was right next to him in 0:23:46.520 --> 0:23:51.000 a bag or something. They like out and about that 0:23:51.200 --> 0:23:57.200 day they've been missing for four days. Okay, okay, they 0:23:57.480 --> 0:24:01.840 never were able to tell what killed Clive, which was 0:24:01.840 --> 0:24:05.720 another mystery death. They said it's it wasn't natural causes, 0:24:06.480 --> 0:24:09.879 but they don't know what killed him. These contents of 0:24:09.960 --> 0:24:12.320 his stomach were sent to the government for analysis, but 0:24:12.680 --> 0:24:16.920 never came back with anything solid. Similar to HC. The 0:24:17.080 --> 0:24:20.080 mother said that she was threatened by a masked man 0:24:21.000 --> 0:24:26.040 a couple of days before her son died. She said, quote, 0:24:26.160 --> 0:24:28.760 the car stopped and a man with khaki kerchief over 0:24:28.880 --> 0:24:31.359 his face told her to keep away from the police 0:24:31.480 --> 0:24:36.200 or else. Additionally, a similar, similar looking man had recently 0:24:36.320 --> 0:24:39.480 been seen lurking around the house, so somebody was stalking 0:24:39.600 --> 0:24:42.119