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Speaker 1: I like that sweet? All right? You ready? Yeah. The
Speaker 1: victim was found dead at six thirty am December one,
Speaker 1: under a street lamp in Australia. That is all we
Speaker 1: know about this man. Mm hmm. That's that was a
Speaker 1: short story. I gotta say. Anyway, everybody, thank you for listening.
Speaker 1: I have more information, but we should introduce ourselves first. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I'm I'm Steve, I'm Joe. So you want to hear more? Yeah, okay.
Speaker 1: So that's all we know really about him, the man
Speaker 1: he was found dead. Those are the only facts about
Speaker 1: those are about him, Okay, okay. So there's this mystery
Speaker 1: surrounding his death. So the first thing that was a
Speaker 1: little weird was that somebody called the authorities. Obviously, they
Speaker 1: came and they took him away to do an autopsy.
Speaker 1: And the first thing they noticed that was weird was
Speaker 1: that all of the clothing identification marks, tags, etcetera. Had
Speaker 1: been removed from his suit and shirt and tie and
Speaker 1: all that stuff. That's a little weird. So not not
Speaker 1: a single label, and a single label what about his underwear?
Speaker 1: Not a single label any of his unwar for that matter.
Speaker 1: So then they did the autopsy, which revealed that this
Speaker 1: guy was in exceptional health. He had a half digested
Speaker 1: pastry in his stomach, there was congestion to his brain
Speaker 1: and stomach that would have been consistent with poisoning, except
Speaker 1: for that. They tested his blood and there was no
Speaker 1: poison in his system at all, So he just mysteriously died. Yes,
Speaker 1: and his spleen was three times too big, but that
Speaker 1: won't kill a man. What causes splain enlargement and brain
Speaker 1: and stomach congestion? What causes that? I don't know and
Speaker 1: nor do they. They eventually placed the jacket that he
Speaker 1: was wearing to America, but it was weird because when
Speaker 1: they sent the dental records and fingerprints, it didn't match
Speaker 1: anyone who had lived there. Ever, and where was he
Speaker 1: found again? Australia? Where in Australia the coach of the
Speaker 1: Somerton Beach where the heck is up? Did in adelaide? Yes?
Speaker 1: So um, when they traced his close to America, does
Speaker 1: that mean they traced it to an American manufacturer, to
Speaker 1: an American tailor or what American manufacturer? So they were
Speaker 1: they were store about clothes they weren't tailored. Upon further
Speaker 1: examination of his clothes they found a secret pocket and
Speaker 1: his pants which contained a little tiny scrap of paper
Speaker 1: with the words Taman shrewd printed on it, um which in.
Speaker 1: I think it's Arabic means nished or ended. They figured
Speaker 1: out that this was last page from a book, a
Speaker 1: very rare translation of this book called the Ribiotro that one.
Speaker 1: But because I know how to say words, it was
Speaker 1: an extremely rare translation of that. Uh So they of
Speaker 1: course did the logical thing and started an Australia White
Speaker 1: search for any and all of these translations of this book.
Speaker 1: Some guy, just some random guy mentioned just after a
Speaker 1: couple of months of this search going on, he said, oh,
Speaker 1: you know, I found an exact copy of that book
Speaker 1: in the backseat of my car that was parked like
Speaker 1: two blocks away from where you guys found. This guy
Speaker 1: the right him, no, damn, So he brought he brought
Speaker 1: his book. They said, oh, we'll look into it, okay,
Speaker 1: And the back page had been torn out, which was
Speaker 1: consistent because he had the back page in his little
Speaker 1: secret pocket. And they found this code written on the
Speaker 1: next back page. Okay. Now, this is a code that
Speaker 1: has been proven to be an actual code. They've decided
Speaker 1: that it has actually code coded message, but has never
Speaker 1: been solved. So they don't know what kind of cipher
Speaker 1: it is. They don't know the cipher Okay, as far
Speaker 1: as anyone can tell, he made this cipher up. But
Speaker 1: it's not long enough for them to get any patterns,
Speaker 1: to establish any patterns to be able to break this code. So, yeah,
Speaker 1: how many letters are in the message? Oh? No, I mean,
Speaker 1: is it's it ten or is it fifty or or what?
Speaker 1: For lines? Four lines of texts? It's a really simple cipher.
Speaker 1: I think the problem is is that there's not enough
Speaker 1: of it. There's not enough. There's not enough of it
Speaker 1: to figure out what the key to the site for it,
Speaker 1: So they don't know if it's a substitution or some Yeah,
Speaker 1: you can probably figure out if a substitution cipher a message.
Speaker 1: You probably could, but it's probably a one time pad,
Speaker 1: which is why they can't break it. So, and what
Speaker 1: is a one time pad? Joe? Oh yeah, the one
Speaker 1: time pad. Yeah, for those of you who don't know
Speaker 1: what that is, it's like a one time pad is
Speaker 1: when you either generate a sequence of random numbers, or
Speaker 1: you use like a book or a newspaper article, whatever,
Speaker 1: and assigned numbers to all those and then say you
Speaker 1: for every every number in your message or every letter
Speaker 1: in your message, just converted to a number. So A
Speaker 1: is one, B is two. And then if you're using
Speaker 1: and say it books, the one time pad, you convert
Speaker 1: that into the same kind of numbers, add those to
Speaker 1: your characters, and then if somebody else has that same
Speaker 1: pad to translate it with. And it's not it's not
Speaker 1: a substitution cipher, because it is a substitution cipher. But
Speaker 1: it's not like you're substituting a letter for another letter
Speaker 1: consistently for B. Yeah, yeah, exactly, and so and so
Speaker 1: those are impossible to break, at least it's far as
Speaker 1: I know, maybe with modern supercomputers, and and yet you
Speaker 1: know in Google and everything like that, maybe one time
Speaker 1: pads are impossible break. People as recently as two twelve
Speaker 1: have tried to decipher this and it can't be done. Yeah,
Speaker 1: and yeah, and so it's a one time pad. Obviously
Speaker 1: the ruby out of Iams probably not, the probably not
Speaker 1: the key, probably not. Also, in the back of this
Speaker 1: book there was a telephone number. It was an unlisted
Speaker 1: telephone number belonging to a nurse who lived like four
Speaker 1: hundred meters north I'm sorry, undred feet of where the
Speaker 1: body was found. So of course the police go to investigate,
Speaker 1: and she says Oh yeah, I owned a copy of
Speaker 1: that book. But in nine at the Clifton Gardens Hotel
Speaker 1: in Sydney, I gave it to a lieutenant named Alfred
Speaker 1: Boxell because we were in love. Weird, okay, Why is
Speaker 1: an unlisted number of years in the back this? Okay?
Speaker 1: So maybe this is Alfred Boxer Boxer Boxhall. It's one
Speaker 1: of those three things. She said that they were in love.
Speaker 1: But late nineteen mystery man had asked her next door
Speaker 1: neighbor about her and nobody really knows who that was.
Speaker 1: And that was just before this guy showed up. Honestly,
Speaker 1: the mystery man. The mystery man was that was that
Speaker 1: identified as being our dead body. So they showed her
Speaker 1: a picture of him on the lab. It wasn't gruesome.
Speaker 1: You can find this picture online easily. It just looks
Speaker 1: like he's sleeping. And she said, no, I don't know
Speaker 1: who that person is. But according to the detective, she
Speaker 1: was completely taken aback, to the point of giving the
Speaker 1: appearance that she was about to faint. Lying. So they
Speaker 1: start thinking, all right, boxall' is the dead man. This
Speaker 1: is his copy. It all makes sense, that's why he's here.
Speaker 1: He was lieutenant in the Army. He's really doing something
Speaker 1: kind of clandestine until voxel shows up just out of
Speaker 1: the blue. No, he's working maintenance in the Randwick bus depot,
Speaker 1: which is I think not even in Australia. So he
Speaker 1: showed up or they tracked him, the tracks him down
Speaker 1: and he still has his copy. Ohs plot thickens. He
Speaker 1: still has his copy. And it's the same edition obviously,
Speaker 1: and the last pages obviously still there. Um. But she
Speaker 1: had sir written, uh handwritten a verse out. It was
Speaker 1: verse seventy on the front cover. It was the same thing.
Speaker 1: What's with these people who do stuff like that? It's
Speaker 1: it's it's extremely rare, probably valuable copy of this edition
Speaker 1: of this book and you just write all of you know, yeah,
Speaker 1: well is that? Is that a smart thing to do?
Speaker 1: It was beautiful the verse that she wrote. But why
Speaker 1: would you to face a book like that? M hm
Speaker 1: now sorry for our librarian audience. The um. So in
Speaker 1: March of two thousand nine, a team led by a
Speaker 1: professor decided that they would crack the code by testing
Speaker 1: the body for DNA. Oh yeah, that makes sense right,
Speaker 1: except for that none of the DNA of his body survived,
Speaker 1: buried him they actually exhumed the body, exumed the body,
Speaker 1: and it was just you know, he had been buried
Speaker 1: and imposing and it was embed him, didn't they Yeah,
Speaker 1: but they do. You would think they'd be able to
Speaker 1: find a little DNA somewhere, but they apparently couldn't. But
Speaker 1: they were going to use DNA to identify who he was. Yes,
Speaker 1: they're going to try, at least, not that there were
Speaker 1: DNA records then, but they could maybe trace it to
Speaker 1: someone who was living now, you know whatever. Um. Additionally,
Speaker 1: this st the same investigative team said that police had
Speaker 1: found that the packet of cigarettes that he had had
Speaker 1: different a different brand of cigarettes inside of the pack,
Speaker 1: and the police had originally said, oh, well, this is
Speaker 1: a common army like thing. You buy the one pack
Speaker 1: of expensive ones, and then you buy a bunch of
Speaker 1: cheap ones and you just keep feeling your expensive box
Speaker 1: with your cheap cigarettes, so it looks like you're smoking
Speaker 1: more expensive cigarettes, except for that the cigarettes that were
Speaker 1: in his box were more expensive than the box cigarettes,
Speaker 1: so they thought maybe there had been some poison administered
Speaker 1: that way, although again they never found any poison in
Speaker 1: his system. It was obviously techniques and there's yeah, there's
Speaker 1: the potential that they just missed it. And then in
Speaker 1: two thousand eleven, a woman contacted some really sad cold
Speaker 1: case detective who's still assigned to this case because it's
Speaker 1: never been closed, and said that she found an identification
Speaker 1: card of an HC. Rentals Reynolds that she had found
Speaker 1: in her father's possession. It was a document from the
Speaker 1: United States to foreign semen given given during World War One.
Speaker 1: And they compared the photograph to the man who died
Speaker 1: and it was almost identical. They said it was a
Speaker 1: it was a very good match. They shared a few
Speaker 1: unique identifiers within their face, and then their ears were
Speaker 1: the same. So the idea their ears he had a
Speaker 1: if you look closely at these pictures, he had a
Speaker 1: genetic defect in that it made part of his ear
Speaker 1: larger than other parts of his ear, like not like
Speaker 1: a normal ear, which is a genetic mutation found in
Speaker 1: like two percent of the population or something like that.
Speaker 1: It's incredibly uncommon. So that along with the fact that
Speaker 1: his face looked alike, and that makes more sense, I
Speaker 1: got it just random. His years might be like a
Speaker 1: great way to find like relatives of those of his
Speaker 1: that yeah, so they said, oh, okay, so this is
Speaker 1: probably this guy. Uh. The ID card was issued in
Speaker 1: February on February eighteen to HC. Reynolds. Uh. It gave
Speaker 1: his nationality as British and his age as eighteen. Uh.
Speaker 1: They did searches in the U s National Archives, the
Speaker 1: UK National Archives, and the Australian War Memorial Research Center,
Speaker 1: and they have failed to come up with any actual
Speaker 1: records of an HC. Reynolds. So it's a fake name
Speaker 1: or fake idea. They're not sure. Okay, but it is
Speaker 1: this man's I d so he he looks I mean
Speaker 1: he died this this story. He died in forty eight right,
Speaker 1: and the idea was issued in nineteen eighteen. Did you
Speaker 1: say so, it's thirty years later. He could have been
Speaker 1: in the picture. It's hard to tell. Yeah, I mean
Speaker 1: it's boy all black and white. It's kind of bad quality.
Speaker 1: He could have been of that age. He also could
Speaker 1: have lied about his age to get into the military,
Speaker 1: although he was obviously lying about other things too, given
Speaker 1: that there's no record of him ever existing prior to
Speaker 1: what else? Did everything? So? So so Again, that idea
Speaker 1: was issued in nineteen eighteen by the Brits and they
Speaker 1: had eaten by the United States. Okay, and so and
Speaker 1: but but he was a British nationality and it was
Speaker 1: one of those ideas they gave out during World War
Speaker 1: One when people who lived other places would come and say,
Speaker 1: I want to fight for the USA and like, okay, great,
Speaker 1: here's your idea. Okay. So so, in other words, it
Speaker 1: was never documented that he was actually a brit No.
Speaker 1: I mean, you kind of assumed that they would have
Speaker 1: done some research into that, but maybe it was the
Speaker 1: time of war and things were kind of yeah, so okay,
Speaker 1: so that's all you guys get saying. So, but where
Speaker 1: was this idea the US? In the US, so he
Speaker 1: shows up at our doorstep will give an idea. It's
Speaker 1: like today, that's kind of similar. But we know that
Speaker 1: the stuff that he wrote in the on the page
Speaker 1: that they found in his pocket, it was just in
Speaker 1: his pants pocket, right. No, No, the last page of
Speaker 1: the book was in his pants pocket. He had written
Speaker 1: the cipher in the back of this book. Ostensibly what
Speaker 1: happened is he had a copy of this book, he
Speaker 1: wrote his cipher out, tore out the last page, and
Speaker 1: threw it into the guy's car. I assume the guy
Speaker 1: has just left left his window open something something because
Speaker 1: he didn't know it wasn't his copy, so obviously in
Speaker 1: the back of his car. Obviously he threw his coded
Speaker 1: message in the back of the wrong car, I guess.
Speaker 1: And how how do we know that it's a cipher
Speaker 1: and not just gibberish that somebody wrote down. There's been
Speaker 1: a lot of analysis about it by like real live
Speaker 1: code breakers. People have spent a lot of time decoding it,
Speaker 1: and there are pad earns, but not enough patterns to
Speaker 1: establish what letter it might be. There's repetition in that's
Speaker 1: indicative of it being English words. Okay, so it's based
Speaker 1: on the English line it's based on they're assuming it's
Speaker 1: based on English. It may not be. It could for
Speaker 1: you know, it is entirely possible that he was just
Speaker 1: like a Russian who was like bored and deranged, wrote
Speaker 1: just random gibberish down. But well, entirely possible. You say,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna mess with somebody's head. I'm gonna write this
Speaker 1: could a message and put it back to somebody's car,
Speaker 1: and then we'll have this eternal mystery about it, and
Speaker 1: then I'll die. Yeah, I don't think he planned on
Speaker 1: that bar. Yeah. Yeah, So the so the clues I'll
Speaker 1: point to, Um, this guy was either say Russian royalty, Um,
Speaker 1: he's the missing Princess Anastasia or something like that. That's
Speaker 1: pretty enough to be. Yeah, I mean, I don't know
Speaker 1: there's anybody like like checked out the Russian royal family
Speaker 1: to find out, like the bazaars to find out any
Speaker 1: of them had that genetic anomaly. None of them. Okay, yeah,
Speaker 1: so they're they're pretty sure that it is this guy
Speaker 1: ht Reynolds. But yeah, well the other the other possibility
Speaker 1: is that he was just it could have been just
Speaker 1: like infiltrated into America by another foreign intelligence service with
Speaker 1: a bunch of money to pay agents, and he had
Speaker 1: scounded with it, which would explain why he was trying
Speaker 1: to hide and hide his wealth by you know, like
Speaker 1: taking the labels out of his out of his jackets
Speaker 1: and and putting expensive cigarettes in a cheap container. You know,
Speaker 1: so just keeping a little profile that way. I mean,
Speaker 1: why why did somebody kill him? That's uh, you know,
Speaker 1: probably say let's let's say he's let's say he's a Soviet.
Speaker 1: Let's say they eventually caught up with him. That's if
Speaker 1: you double across those guys, they will they will not
Speaker 1: you know, eventually they'll find you probably, you know they
Speaker 1: do in every Hollywood movie they get pound out, yeah somewhere. Yeah. So,
Speaker 1: I mean, that's entirely a possible thing. I don't know,
Speaker 1: but it's just speculation. I don't know speculation. I did find.
Speaker 1: I don't know if you came across this when you
Speaker 1: were doing your research, but when I was brushing up
Speaker 1: on this, I did find one thing of somebody saying
Speaker 1: they might have figured out the cause of death. I
Speaker 1: don't know if you'd ever come across I have ever
Speaker 1: come across that. Okay, so I did find let's see
Speaker 1: this is this came out guy by name of John Phillips,
Speaker 1: who is the chairman of the Victorian Institute of Forensic Medicine,
Speaker 1: and he is saying that based on the details, it's
Speaker 1: likely that he died of digitalis um. Digitalis is known
Speaker 1: for engorging the organs prior to death. You're talking about
Speaker 1: the plant right right. It's a member of the foxglove family.
Speaker 1: So it's it's poison that people used to use as
Speaker 1: kind of an herbal remedy. They didn't know how it
Speaker 1: was supposed to be used, so they'd use it for
Speaker 1: heart issues or epilepsy or stuff like that, but they
Speaker 1: didn't understand the dosage, so they would typically end up
Speaker 1: killing people unintentionally. And it enlarges all of the organs
Speaker 1: so well. But then the question is why was only
Speaker 1: his spleen Because your spleen is not the most sensitive
Speaker 1: of your organs. It was his spleen the only one
Speaker 1: that was in large. So his spleen was the only
Speaker 1: thought I'd seen something said that more than just his
Speaker 1: spleen wasn't No, he had a congestion of the heart
Speaker 1: and brain. But that's not I mean, that's not no, no,
Speaker 1: that's that's not an engagement or enlarge but at all.
Speaker 1: So what condition is? But I don't know. I mean,
Speaker 1: this is just something I came across and I found interesting.
Speaker 1: It's very interesting. It's fifty years later and some guys saying, well,
Speaker 1: I just looked at the autopsy record, and this is
Speaker 1: what I say, and it's who knows. It could have
Speaker 1: been just somebody's you know, surprise attacked him in an
Speaker 1: innern you and he threw out you know, here's the
Speaker 1: answer to the Talman shrewd. Yeah, and you kind of you.
Speaker 1: I guess you assume that in a time when a
Speaker 1: lot of people are dying from an overdose of a thing,
Speaker 1: you as an corner, as a corner, you might know
Speaker 1: what that looks like. Generally you would think you would
Speaker 1: think you not so. Anyway, by the way, when they
Speaker 1: found the body, how how long had he been dead?
Speaker 1: Just a couple of I think he died. They said
Speaker 1: that he died in the middle of the night. They
Speaker 1: found at six thirty in the morning. Ah. So the
Speaker 1: question is the coded message the book? Why? So? It
Speaker 1: seems to me that if he was taking a message
Speaker 1: somewhere to drop it off, there was somebody and he
Speaker 1: but discovered he was being followed, he probably wanted to
Speaker 1: ditch that, to ditch that message, So the nearest car
Speaker 1: with an open window he dropped it in. Yeah. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean that's that's typical spy behavior. Yeah, he's get
Speaker 1: rid of all incriminating evidence. Yeah. So so the other
Speaker 1: kind of interesting thing about this is that there are
Speaker 1: two cases that people talk about them maybe being linked.
Speaker 1: Really yes, because it seems like a weird one off.
Speaker 1: So you're saying there are other cases. Yes. The first
Speaker 1: one is the Marshal case that happened in June where uh,
Speaker 1: thirty four year old singapore man they knew that he
Speaker 1: wasn't a mystery man. His name was Joseph Saul Haim
Speaker 1: Marshall was found dead a lot okay, Joseph Saul Haim Marshall. Uh.
Speaker 1: He was found dead in Ashton Park in Sydney with
Speaker 1: an open copy of the Rubiat on his chest, really
Speaker 1: the same edition, the same edition. Death was believed to
Speaker 1: be a suicide by poisoning. His was so it was
Speaker 1: the the addition right before addition that was involved in
Speaker 1: this case. But pages missing, no pages miss saying or
Speaker 1: anything like that. An he died of poisoning? Did they
Speaker 1: say what he died of? He said he committed suicide,
Speaker 1: but what he used? Did he say? They thought that
Speaker 1: it was self inflicted, but they didn't say what. I'm
Speaker 1: guessing this that one doesn't get as much note doesn't
Speaker 1: And what year did this happen? An inquest was held.
Speaker 1: Gwyneth Dorothy Graham testified at this inquest that they had
Speaker 1: And why does she testify she was a witness. I'm
Speaker 1: not sure really details on that, but she testified and
Speaker 1: was found dead thirteen days later, faced down naked in
Speaker 1: a bath with her wrists split. Mm hmm. Did they
Speaker 1: think that was suicide or do we know? I think
Speaker 1: they think it's like they think it's suicide, Like they
Speaker 1: think his death was a suicide. Like in other words,
Speaker 1: it was KGB. You say it's a suicide right until
Speaker 1: you figure out what really happened, and then changed the story.
Speaker 1: But you never figure out. So then, uh, the next
Speaker 1: one happened in June again, but this one in ninety
Speaker 1: where the body of a two year old Clive was
Speaker 1: found in a sack in some sandhills about twelve miles
Speaker 1: down the coast from where they found the HC. Reynolds.
Speaker 1: For purposes, we're just going to call him HC. Reynolds.
Speaker 1: The guy from the first case, very very close lying
Speaker 1: next to him was his unconscious father. The father was
Speaker 1: taken to the hospital and was treated for exposure, and
Speaker 1: then they transferred him to a mental hospital. So he
Speaker 1: went crazy? I think so, yeah, because you know, his
Speaker 1: son died while he was right next to him in
Speaker 1: a bag or something. They like out and about that
Speaker 1: day they've been missing for four days. Okay, okay, they
Speaker 1: never were able to tell what killed Clive, which was
Speaker 1: another mystery death. They said it's it wasn't natural causes,
Speaker 1: but they don't know what killed him. These contents of
Speaker 1: his stomach were sent to the government for analysis, but
Speaker 1: never came back with anything solid. Similar to HC. The
Speaker 1: mother said that she was threatened by a masked man
Speaker 1: a couple of days before her son died. She said, quote,
Speaker 1: the car stopped and a man with khaki kerchief over
Speaker 1: his face told her to keep away from the police
Speaker 1: or else. Additionally, a similar, similar looking man had recently
Speaker 1: been seen lurking around the house, so somebody was stalking
Speaker 1: them while they were while the other two were missing.
Speaker 1: But we don't know who they were. Weird, So what
Speaker 1: would be the tie into centals exactly? Well, they were
Speaker 1: found very close to where he was found, and very
Speaker 1: weird circumstances surrounding their death. That is weird. But but
Speaker 1: they weren't that close. They were miles rather than feet away,
Speaker 1: right twelve. Yeah, but you know, on the coast of
Speaker 1: Sydney or coast of Australia, so not that many weird
Speaker 1: things happen in this one little area, little area. So yeah,
Speaker 1: So did they ever find any of his possessions or
Speaker 1: anything else that he had left around. They found a
Speaker 1: brown suitcase. Um, it had been left in the railway station,
Speaker 1: had been checked into the station coatroom. You know they
Speaker 1: do that sometimes you come in on training the way over.
Speaker 1: So how did they find it? That's gonna that would
Speaker 1: be an interesting story. I don't know itself. They found
Speaker 1: it like a month later, so I had just been
Speaker 1: there for a month. So they decided to report it
Speaker 1: to the police, because that's what you do for a month,
Speaker 1: you know, nobody's come back for it. And it had
Speaker 1: been checked on November, which was two days before. Two
Speaker 1: days how many days are in November? One day before
Speaker 1: all right, So I assumed that I assume they completely
Speaker 1: want to everything with all the tags missing from all
Speaker 1: the clothes. Yeah, yeah, he They found red checked dressing gown,
Speaker 1: a side that was size seven, red felt slippers of
Speaker 1: four pairs of underwear, pajamas, shaving items, a light brown
Speaker 1: pair of trousers with sand in the cuffs, an electricians screwdriver,
Speaker 1: a table knife cut down into a short sharp instrument,
Speaker 1: a pair of scissors with sharpened points, and a stenciling
Speaker 1: brush that was used by third officers on march merchant
Speaker 1: ships for stenciling cargo. Also in the suitcase was a
Speaker 1: thread card of barber brand orange waxed thread of an
Speaker 1: unusual type not available in Australia that had been the
Speaker 1: same kind that was used to repair the lining of
Speaker 1: his secret pocket. His secret pocket, the secret pocket of
Speaker 1: his pants. They found the little piece of paper and
Speaker 1: so he used on his pants. Then again, all of
Speaker 1: the identification marks had been removed from uh the clothing,
Speaker 1: except for they did find the name T. Keen on
Speaker 1: a tie uh and Keen on a laundry bag, and
Speaker 1: Keen on a singlet, along with some dry cleaning marks.
Speaker 1: So the name that was found on a car that
Speaker 1: they think links him isn't the same name that was
Speaker 1: on all the clothes some of the clothes that they found. Yes,
Speaker 1: they think that the clothes with the tags left on
Speaker 1: had been left on on purpose to be misleading. Oh,
Speaker 1: because they knew that Keene was not the dead man's name. Somehow,
Speaker 1: it is a sneaky spy. I think it might be
Speaker 1: a spy. Very very weird. That's that. Yeah, it kind
Speaker 1: of fisted with my theory though I was a spy
Speaker 1: who was scandled with a bunch of phones. Is there
Speaker 1: anything that people that they can still use today to
Speaker 1: analyze I mean any of you know, his clothes or
Speaker 1: the briefcase or any of that. I mean, can't that
Speaker 1: all be taken on a coal storage and and gone
Speaker 1: over with modern forensics? What would you gain from that? Well,
Speaker 1: they might find that piece of DNA or something that
Speaker 1: they couldn't see before when they just searched through you know,
Speaker 1: imaging technology or anything like that. I'm just I don't know,
Speaker 1: it seems like it's a cold case. It's got enough
Speaker 1: what's the word I'm looking for, Yeah, enough interests kind
Speaker 1: of traction that people would want to, you know, say
Speaker 1: well let's use the latest technology and see what we
Speaker 1: can see inside of things or analyze from it. So
Speaker 1: I just curious, I mean, do we know what happened
Speaker 1: to any of the stuff that the that they took
Speaker 1: off of him? What happened to any of that stuff?
Speaker 1: Since it's a still open cold case, I would assume
Speaker 1: that they did not get rid of it, but that
Speaker 1: could be a false assumption. I don't know how things
Speaker 1: work in Australia. Yeah, I would I would think that
Speaker 1: the best way to find out is to just ask
Speaker 1: the major intelligence services of the world, because you know,
Speaker 1: I'm guessing that he was a spy either that or
Speaker 1: escaped royalty, but probably a spy. So probably the Russians
Speaker 1: or the Brits or even the Americans actually know who
Speaker 1: this guy is. I don't know. This one's just so weird.
Speaker 1: But there's so many odd missing pieces to it. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's weird cipher that there's no answer to. I mean,
Speaker 1: it could have been his grocery list for all we know.
Speaker 1: It's just so strange and it could have just been
Speaker 1: entirely ruse and who the hell knows. Yeah, yeah, but
Speaker 1: so last question, where he was found? Were there any
Speaker 1: rare bookstores nearby? Okay? Yeah, well a mystery, I think.
Speaker 1: But again I think probably the Russians or somebody who
Speaker 1: can solve this mystery pretty handily. You think it's uh,
Speaker 1: it's somebody's spy probably and I'm pro spy idea. Yeah.
Speaker 1: And aliens do you think aliens? Aliens? Do you think
Speaker 1: aliens are everything? Aliens are My easy answer because I
Speaker 1: watch a lot of TV. I watch a lot of
Speaker 1: the History Channel, and the ancient Aliens are the ones
Speaker 1: that are responsible. Well on that, Okay, there we go,
Speaker 1: There we go. I think that if you, if somebody
Speaker 1: really seriously wanted to like solve the mystery, there's a
Speaker 1: lot of the stuff, A lot of the KGBS files
Speaker 1: from the past files and stuff have been and a
Speaker 1: lot of our intercepts and are of a lot of
Speaker 1: their coded stuff has been declassified. If you wanted to
Speaker 1: go dig through all that, you might be able to actually,
Speaker 1: you know, find out who this guy is. I'm not
Speaker 1: going to do it because it would be a lot
Speaker 1: of work. You're motivated those Yeah, Well, if you decide
Speaker 1: to do that, you should send us what you find
Speaker 1: via email. Our email is Thinking Sideways Podcast at gmail
Speaker 1: dot com. All of the information on this story, uh,
Speaker 1: plus probably some fun pictures of his face and the
Speaker 1: handwriting are on Thinking Sideways podcast dot com, which is
Speaker 1: our website. So yeah, I guess we'll talk to you
Speaker 1: next week. Okay, Yeah, see everybody,